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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: ZacsMumme on April 21, 2013, 18:55:01 pm
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I'm talking hours :o I'm beside myself. Before this we were finally in a good EAS :(
WU 6
Nap 9-10.30
Nap 1.30-3/3.30
BT 6-6.45
NF 11-2 (anywhere in here)
We do get ENW but always have, usually a replug. EW come with constipation too on and off.
So last two nights have been (at diff times but here's last night - night before was 3 hrs 11-2)
NW 7.15,8,8.30-10.30 :o two hours! 5.30-6.15 sleeping now at 6.51 but he will no doubt wake soon.
DH and I are loosing it. He won't let us
- shh/pat or an variation
- rock him, till hes exhausted and even that's a fight
It always escalates
He is trying to sleep but wakes over and over and over ... He rolls Onto his back, gets on all 4s, wriggles.
I don't know what to do? Eventually DH rocks him into a deep sleep, it's a saga.
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Ugh Sara! All I can say to you is SAFETY-SLEEP!!!!
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We've had similar NWs here at times. I never did find a good way to settle DD quickly but they've always passed within a few days.
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Jenny, I think he would go nuts with a safety sleep :-\ too much pressure makes him go nuts. Would we have the same drama when weaning it anyway alter on? Or not???
Lily. I hope it passes we are on night 2. I'm exhausted. He's exhausted. I have no idea what to do with his naps!
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I was totally lost about naps following those nights too. I think I just followed her cues because I had no idea what to do. My fingers are crossed that tonight is better.
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My kids were OLD when we weaned ours (just over 2 I think and certainly didn't need one then (they were both very good at staying in bed) but it was part of the routine IYKWIM so THEY didn't want to ditch it!).
It might work if he's only partially awake IYKWIM - enough to stop him rolling so stop him waking.
You sew don't you? It was easy peasy to make
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Yes I sew. Maybe Ill make one this weekend. I'm kind of hoping this will pass ::) though it probably won't!
Today he has had a TON of floor time so he better sleep better!!
I'm not sure how to deal with it in the moment though for now ??? Wait for full cry then what? We try everything feeding, rocking, shh/pat, intervening fast, waiting till he's loosing it ... Nothing helps :(
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When DD had nights like that, I found complete darkness and feeding while rocking and patting her back until she was in a deep sleep were the only things that worked. I did always wait for the full cry because sometimes she will settle herself and my intervention just wakes her up more.
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Well I can report o 2 hr long NW last night :D but we had a battle at BT instead and a short night as we had anther leak ::)
BT 7. (He's usually 6.25/30), NW 9, NF 11
EW 5.30 I've attempted a feed and pd in cot because he got angry at me rocking him but I doubt he will go back to sleep.
Lily - that worked with ds1 who loved BF and APOP but ds2 is a bit resistant. He isn't a feeder anyway (he doesn't feed well, nor is he interested ::) ) and he's a bit APOP resistant :o
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Omg he went back to sleep!! I think :) it's been 20 mins no noise and when I snuck in he isn't moving
This kid is the biggest enigma ::)
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Can you just sit in his room or at the crack in the door and use your voice?
Glad he went back to sleep. That is good news.
Is he in reflux pain do you think?
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I just fixed my iPad typos - sorry ladies ::)
Ali - I've tried that too...well humming, singing and shhing. I think his reflux is ok. Im sure its developmental but because of it he is OT now and settling is difficult for him YK? - we may have a bit of a prop issue in that we sometimes rock him to sleep, even tough he isn't always keen on it. So maybe struggling to settle is because he wants too but isn't good at it because we rock him ???
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Sorry if you already mentioned this but have you asked the dr about the constipation? Maybe he needs help with it like a stool softener.
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He is on lactulose. Hs been pooping a lot last few days since i cute right back on what i fed him solids wise, and encouraged him to feed reed feed. so I think your right, that could have been part of it.
So...what if these issues ie constipation will continue on and off. Do we just deal with it as we are, or do you think we still need to do a bit of IS work :-\ DH thinks he is ok. I'm skeptical we are hindering his ability to self soothe
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I don't know why I even bother...
He now has been cranky all day and has diarrhoea. So he's sick :'(
Argh...
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Ah bless him. At least you have a reason for the NWs. Just do what you need to and maybe he will be more settled when he gets better. You don't think you overdid it with the lactulose do you?
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Sorry to hear he's sick :( How was last night?
he's a bit APOP resistant :o
I thought that was just my DD! Sometimes life would be easier if she would just let me rock her to sleep. Out of pure desperation on one of her longest NWs, I put her in bed with me and she took it as an invitation to play ::)
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. You don't think you overdid it with the lactulose do you?
Ha well yes at first I though omg I've given him the runs. But no, he's got a temp too and Z had this about 4-5 days ago ::)
Given he was ill last night was ok. We just fed when he woke because he seemed thirsty all day long and he's loosing his voice. So he crashed at 6 stirred at 40 mins woke at 10,3 up at 6.20 he does seem perkier today but still off. :-\
Given his obsession with crawling yesterday he wouldn't go on his tummy at all. Prob hurt :(
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Just thought I would check ;)
I hope he feels better soon. Not bad night.
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DH joked he slept better sick :o
I'm just tired of feeling like I can't get him sorted YK? I know it's just him but I still feel like a bit of a bad mum.
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You are not a bad mum at all! Please don't think that. You have a lot to deal with with his reflux and are doing great :)
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I'm just tired of feeling like I can't get him sorted YK? I know it's just him but I still feel like a bit of a bad mum.
I often feel like this too and I'm not dealing with reflux and another LO like you are! You are definitely not a bad mom. My mantra has become "Every day I'm learning to be an excellent mother" and that reminds to not get so worried and upset at myself after a bad nap or night. It reminds me that moms aren't born with all of the answers - it takes a long time to learn them. You are obviously a very loving and caring mother because you work at getting him the sleep he needs (even if it doesn't always go according to plan) rather than giving up and just letting him crash every now and then from sheer exhaustion.
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(((hugs)))) Sara, you are doing great! And what an amazing wealth of information you're accumulating to help others with ;)
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(((Hugs))), Sara, you know I think you're an awesome mother. It's so hard, but you really are doing great. Hope T feels better quick and proves to DH that he can sleep better when he's well, too! ;) :-*
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Thanks ladies. I'm just worn down. I kept telling myself (and I know I shouldn't have) that 6 months it would all fall into place. And it's not :(
T is better now, his voice a bit croaky but his nights have been good, and long as he catches up from being sick. His naps are no longer 1.5 on his own now though and I'm having to extend.
The last two days he has had a very long am (I haven't wanted to wake as he has been ill but were talking 40 min resettle then 2hrs after that) then wouldn't sleep longer than 40 in the pm so OT at BT. But this has then given us long 12 hr nights :-\
Tonight he has to go in the cot awake as his IS has taken a hit. I just hope these ridiculous NW have passed.
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I'm glad to hear that he's feeling better and that you've been getting some nice, long nights but boo to the short pm nap. We often get a long am nap and short pm nap here and then OT at BT.
It's so hard when things don't meet your expectations. If it helps, I was rereading BWSAYP the other day and Tracy repeats over and over that 6-9 months is a time of inconsistency with lots of short naps for no apparent reason. I keep repeating that to myself after every short pm nap and at every marathon BT because I also expected things to settle down at 6 months.
Sending ~~~~~no ridiculous NW vibes~~~~~~ your way!
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Thanks for the reminder lily :-* he is so inconsistent but I am learning that if we get a 12 hr nights short naps. If the night is less settled or 10.5-11 he does a solid am nap on his own...it's like he is regulating himself ???
Z never did long nights but he didn't do silly long NW either. Just a paci plug. Maybe that's why he always napped longer once things were on track. I try not to compare but I find I always do!
Oh and we have crazy weird backward proper crawling and commando crawling forward everywhere now!
Given that he does a solid nap on 3 hrs A after an ok night of he does a great 12 hr one would it make sense to push an extra 15? He never shows tired signs till OT at BT ::)
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Given that he does a solid nap on 3 hrs A after an ok night of he does a great 12 hr one would it make sense to push an extra 15?
That makes sense to me. I'm thinking it also might work to leave the am nap at the same time each day (if that makes it easier on you) and he will just naturally sleep a little less if he's had a great night and then with your regular A time hopefully you'd get a good pm nap. I'm finding with my LO that if I push the morning A too much, the pm nap gets too late and I think that's often why DD short naps in the pm.
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So today naps were not great
WU 6.20 out of cot 6.35 12 hr night but unsettled and long ENW ::)
Nap 9.35-10.55
Nap 1.55-2.50 could not resettle!
Can't do CN they are dismal here so BT will be 6.
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And it's back again. :'( I'm so close to locking myself in the toilet and hiding from it all
It's 11.50 pm and we have had
BT 6 self settled with just a bit of pressure on his bottom.
NW 7.30, 8, every 20/30 mins after that. Then he did a hard poop and since as been AWAKE from 10 ish. He won't let us rock him, hold him in the cot, he tries to settle on his own but won't shut his eyes then every 10/15 mins cries. I'm tearing my Hair out, why won't he sleep!
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Big hugs Sara. I really don't know, I'm sorry. Crazy crazy babies.
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Oh (((hugs))) Sara, it sounds like he's uncomfortable. :( Wish I could give you a break. :-* :-*
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((((hugs))))
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Hugs. That does sound disheartening. Poor T and poor you.
Are you still giving the lactulose?
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Yes still giving it :(
Night was terrible. Finally asleep at 12am
But then awake at 3 30 hollering so I fed him.
Then 5.30 then up at 6.45
Surely this isn't just developmental?
I don't know what to do ??? :(
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To me it sounds like he might be in discomfort.
Any chance that it's a wonder week?
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Wonder week supposedly over, we gave pain meds and terthing gel and his room was the right temp so not hot or cold :(
His cry is throaty but nothing else to indicate he is still sick. His reflux is fine too..... .???
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I guess it was the hard poop in the middle of it that made me think his tummy might be hurting. :-\ (((Hugs))), hon.
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Oh I agree Katie, I think he may have had problems till then, but would that make the rest of the night awful too? Probably I guess! ::) he's doing these hard poops 1-2 times a day though which is a massive improvement on 1-2 times a week YK?
The only solids he is on is pear, pumpkin, chicken broth and prunes now all safe foods for him. Hs fussy on the bottle again but that's nothing new ::) he does have 3 meals, I cold cut back but he's also hungry and we have frequent milk refusals when he has less solids because the reflux flares?
DH and I are starting to get so tired were feeling resentful which is not good or fair on T, but I dont know how to fix it. DH thinks there is something up (and I don't disagree) but we can't go on like this. He is an IS 1/2 time. He doesn't want to be held but after hours of not settling he's to OT to settle in the cot so DH has to rock him or there is literally no sleep.
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Should his poops still be hard on the lactulose? Have you spoken to the dr about trying a different dose or med?
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She just said to hkeep increasing it till he is regular ::) I've breaded it s bit but given he is going every day now I think I'll be dismissed. He they are reluctant to give too much for babies like him with so much else going on YK?
But, what if I only give him small meals today, all pear. I'm hoping maybe if he has any tummy issues this may clear them out.
One other thought/question to you ladies. Could he be in bed too long at night and in a bit of a silly cycle. Sometimes he does 12 hrs but then isn't tired during the day, other nights he is up and down a lot but then naps better. I wonder if he needs help balancing himself for day and night. So a longer day, or set naps ?
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Our dr told me not to worry about *frequency* of poops but that the aim was to get him going *comfortably*. It is not good for their bowel to have big, hard poops in and can cause stretching over time which means the bowel will then need to be retrained. Plus if he is up all night in pain I don't see how she could possibly dismiss you tbh.
Maybe try longer A times when he has had a good night?
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Thanks Hun, I think ill take him to the dr Monday anyway, ask her to check, his ears, throat, chest (he is often chesty and wheezy and I wonder about asthma) and go over the poop thing. She is a wonderful dr, I just know she is also reluctant to give him too much more stuff because of his sensitive tummy. His bottle fussiness again makes me wonder if he is backed up even though he is going regularly YK?
Dare I mention this - but I'm wondering if he may be better with a 2-3-4 ??? Even after that 50 min pm nap yesterday he settled well last night on his own and didn't show any OT signs. :-\
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Sara just want to send you some giant hugs 💕 My C is doing the exact same thing you mention at the start of your thread when we put him down for his naps and BT. Although he isn't sick like poor little T. Maybe he's going through this development stuff as well as being sick. Ah the poor little mite. It's so tough on them. I'm sure your doc will sort him out. It's frustrating and exhausting but it will pass. You are doing an amazing job. All we can do is our best, right? Can you believe in another 6 months they will be 1?! :o
Get well soon little T (and please give mummy and daddy some sleepy time)
Here to hold your hand ❤❤
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Dare I mention this - but I'm wondering if he may be better with a 2-3-4
This is what worked best for us 2 months ago. I could also stretch her day a bit by letting her play alone in her crib when she woke up from naps - it really helped get her through to BT if she had a short pm nap.
Could he eat barley cereal? That really helped DD when she got constipated.
I'm sending you so many hugs and sleep well vibes for T. I understand the feelings of resentment - sometimes parenting is just hard.
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So ladies DH and I decided to try a bit of a routine shake up and instead of being afraid of OT focus on his total A time. So today was
WU 6.45 after that awful night
Nap 9.30-11 on his own (went for short A after night)
Nap 2-2.40 then DH resettled quick and napped 2.45-3.35 when I stirred him (I know but were trying to just reset him a little)
Bt aimed for 6.50/7 but got ~7.05/7.10
But this am I noticed a spill in his cot from last night so I stripped the sheet. Low and behold it stunk of acid even though we hadn't noticed it before! So Ali, I think you were right...something is causing a flare. Maybe the hard constipated poops slowing down his gut digestion, or teething, but explains the bottle fussiness, possibly the hoarse cry and why he is unsettled.
Problem is....it doesn't fix anything :( :(
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Poor baby :( is there anything you can do to minimise it?
On the developmental angle, E has been doing all sorts of mad things this week too. Getting up on hands and knees, refusing naps (agh! we had two one nap days..not pretty!), demanding night feeds (double agh!), but she is also coldy, bad cough and I think teething. There's something in the air, methinks.
Big hugs to you and DH, we totally understand feeling grumpy about it - you go to such lengths to care for them, anticipate their needs and then they come up with something new. Little rascals (rascals is not the word in my head..!).
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Sara T is the same age as C isn't he? Well I really do believe we arein a wonder week now (or a fussy period) and after reading this I am certain. Maybe as well as being sick poor T is going through all this too?
I've just copied and paste for you to have a read xx
Signs: the leap of Relationships
You will notice that your baby reacts the same way to this leap, as he did with all the other leaps. By now you know what your baby's leap-behavior is like.
Your baby:
Cries more, more often or longer;
Asks for more attention;
Sleeps less or worse and eats less;
Has mood-swings;
Is not pleased with many things.
While going through this leap, parents often notice that their baby starts to protest when being dressed or when a diaper is changed. They don't want anything to be changed with regards to their clothes.
Do you notice your baby grabs his teddy bear more often or 'talks' to his bear? This is also a sign he is going through a leap. He is looking for comfort...
You will also notice that each leap will be more intense, for you too! With every leap your baby is able to 'demand' more of you, and you will notice this. It is very normal that you feel exhausted at the end of this leap.
Does it sound familiar? We are defo in this at the mo! :( and I thought we had just sorted things! Just typical isn't it! ❤❤
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Melissa - I think we're out of the WW now though :-\ i have the ipadapp. but could be he is doing it late. Sure feels like a WW!
Thanks Anne, so your telling me this keeps happening :o ;) I forgot about all this rubbish!
But...ladies I have a good report. Night went ok.
Bt 7.10
Nw 8 screaming in a hoarse cry. Gave pain meds to take edge off the reflux. PU and he settled upright on my chest by 8.10 I kept him there for 30 mins and laid on a chair. This seemed to help.
NW ~12 feed. 4 oz only offered. Straight back to sleep :D
NW 3.30 wet/leaking - Another issue but quick change and back to sleep :D (offered milk not interested)
WU 6ish
Best night in ages. Least amount of milk overnight in ages.
Going to try less milk at BT and at NF. I think it's making his reflux worse. Hopefully he will take more in day.
Sticking with the longer A to BT. And 3-3.5 hrs day sleep max.
Making sure the day is at least 12/12.5 hrs. (Unless we have terrible day)
And hope like crazy things start to Improve!
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I'm glad you had a better night last night. We had a long ENW last night at our house:(
Sticking with the longer A to BT. And 3-3.5 hrs day sleep max.
Making sure the day is at least 12/12.5 hrs. (Unless we have terrible day)
This is what worked for us at that age.
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Glad you had a better night, Sara. Will also hope like crazy that your new plan leads to better sleep! :-*
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I hope so too. I'm on my own mon and tues and I don't think I can do an all nighter alone :(
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Will cross my fingers for you! :-* (((Hugs))), it's tough to do it on your own!
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So morning nap was good but our pm one needs resettling. Trying to stick with 3hr10/15 second A for a week.
Today it was unsettled, I think teeth are shifting in the arvos. When would you do BT?
WU 6 out of cot 6.10
Nap 9.10-10.40
Nap 1.55-2.40 then asleep 2.42-3.08 happy now ::)
Thinking BT of 6.30 or do I hold that BT close to 7 to try to get into routine...he will prob be OT by then though :-\
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Think I'd do 6.30
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Thanks Ali, we did 6.15. I was going for 6.30 but he settled immediately in the cot. We had the best evening ever. No NW till 8.45 but then that one was a mess be ause DH stormed on in and made a huge noise by accident waking him right up..I.was.mad! ESP since I had him resettled. ::) so I fed because he was not settling n the cot, or my arms and was angry. Then he woke at 12 ish, then 3 then up at 5.45/6
Not great. The NW are all over the place. ::) at least they aren't massive like they were I guess.
It's just t and I tonight. I think ill try to invest more time in resettling without feeding if I know he isn't hungry.
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Fingers crossed for you. Those alone nights are nerve-wracking. (())
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Fingers crossed
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Fingers crossed for a good night.
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So just posting the day ladies as I'm on my own with the boys the next few days so doing it when I can and while I have some brain cells, no need to reply yet :-*
WU 5.45 out of cot 6
Nap 9-10.25
Teething during A time so gave meds (grosssss)
Nap 1.40-3.05 but still tired and when I PU he went to sleep on me :o so I sat down and held till he woke at 3.25
Tired all A i think he is heavily teethig...also has loose bm, drooling and chomping.
BT 6.40 self settled in seconds.
NW 8.10 paci replug
NW 9 woke with a pain scream. Barely awake but screaming.
NW 2.15 NF straight back to sleep till...3 :o then awake till 3.30
NW 5
UP at 6
Gross.....thing is I don't know what to do different ??? When he isn't in pain it's quick, a 5 sec resettle with the paci (which really he should be sale to replug by nod but doesn't.)
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Thumbs down for the teething but yay for the good naps!
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Sara T is the same age as C isn't he? Well I really do believe we arein a wonder week now (or a fussy period) and after reading this I am certain. Maybe as well as being sick poor T is going through all this too?
I've just copied and paste for you to have a read xx
Signs: the leap of Relationships
You will notice that your baby reacts the same way to this leap, as he did with all the other leaps. By now you know what your baby's leap-behavior is like.
Your baby:
Cries more, more often or longer;
Asks for more attention;
Sleeps less or worse and eats less;
Has mood-swings;
Is not pleased with many things.
While going through this leap, parents often notice that their baby starts to protest when being dressed or when a diaper is changed. They don't want anything to be changed with regards to their clothes.
Do you notice your baby grabs his teddy bear more often or 'talks' to his bear? This is also a sign he is going through a leap. He is looking for comfort...
You will also notice that each leap will be more intense, for you too! With every leap your baby is able to 'demand' more of you, and you will notice this. It is very normal that you feel exhausted at the end of this leap.
Does it sound familiar? We are defo in this at the mo! :( and I thought we had just sorted things! Just typical isn't it! ❤❤
We're in that wonder week too... it has been nothing but horrible the past few days... and he is getting 2 bottom teeth at the same time. Poor child is grumpy!
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Gah, if it isn't one thing, it's another! Hope you had a decent night on your own! :-*
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I just checked the app and we are out of the we, but the is a random fussy period now! ::)
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Just checking back in after a few days off the grid, (((hugs)))
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Thanks Erin :-*
So he's napping well, I think his EAS is ok (thanks Ali for helping me through that) it's just the NW recently are worse than ever before :-\
On saying this he is not fighting BT like he was. (It used to be hours!)
Here is today so far which is typical of our days now
WU 6 out of cot 6.10 I'm giving him 10 mins cot time when I can so he gets used to hanging out in it. A time starts from out of cot.
Nap 9.10-10.45
Nap 2- currently 3.25 so he will prob wake in 5
BT 6.30-7 depending on nap length and how quickly he settles.
I'm sure it's discomfort that causes some of these NW, and I know the paci is a prop (sometimes anyway) but he goes to sleep on his own unless in pain, he prefers being in the cot than in our arms. We always give him a chance to settle but it escalates, and sometimes it is a hard cry strait away.
I just don't know what else I can do :-\ he can replug during the day? Maybe I need to encourage this at night?
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That might be a start, but otherwise it sounds like you're doing all the right things, Sara. (((Hugs)))
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Another terrible night... :(
BT 6.30 but asleep at 6.50
NW 9
NW 9.45 fed as I've made BT feed smaller which I think has helped him sleep at BT. Not asleep though till 10.07
NW 2.50 fed. He wasnt that hungry but I'm on my own and I'm so tired!
EW 5.20 gas, slept 6.15-35 gross. Then Pooped ::)
WU 6.40 for day
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I had another thought in the pooping? When are you giving the lactulose? My dr said we should give our stool softener at night to give it time to work overnight so that the poops will be in the day. Just wondering if changing the timing of T's dose would change the timing if his poops to a less disruptive time.
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Thank you Ali!!! We were never told anything about that! I sear he has irritable bowel ::)
I was giving morning and night. Should I give at BT then NF?
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Sara, I feel like you had a thread about constipation, but are you giving him something like prune juice as well -- someone I know (can't remember if it was here or IRL put prune juice in every bottle).
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Yeah we had one. Probably many! Yes I have prune purée I add to his pumpkin, and pear and chicken broth are the only solids he is on now after chronic bouts of it. Bottle intake is low, hence why I just feed at NW as they are often the only good feeds he does. Longer gap between E = same amount of milk so I'm just doing ~4 hrs.
I've got white grape juice I could add to the bottles....
Tbh part of me wonders if he needs more A. I know his As are high, but he seriously copes by well, and always short naps with a short A, if a touch OT he doesn't YK? He will do long nights when not in pain and often a bad night = a better nap day and next better night like he is catching up, but happy to go down at usual time even if EW that morning.
Is it unlikely he needs a touch more to combat the NW....ie
WU
A 3 hrs
Nap 1.5-2 95% of time 1.5 for both
A 3hrs15/20 (any less I get short nap)
Nap 1.5-2
A - longer than currently 3 hrs... ???
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Sara, I wouldn't want you to alter meds on my say so (especially as we are on Miralax not lactulose) but perhaps explain to your Dr that the poops are coming at night and see what they recommend?
His A times are night but you could try another 10mins perhaps and see how he does?
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Dr didn't give times, just said give as required 2 x a day and increase if needed in .5 increments. apparently it's just sugar water ::)
DH home and doing tonight. I'm off to bed x
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He is so inconsistently rubbish :(
Last night
BT 6.30
NW 7.30, 8 replugs. ::)
NF 10.30 then up and down every 20mins to 1 hr till 3
NF 2.45-3 didn't have much
WU 6.45
OT night but I wonder the NF are messing him up :-\ it's always a long or unsettled period after one. I've cut the volume down a touch but still happens now.
I'm not sure how to deal with it, he's such a funny one. But DH and I are thinking maybe offer just 1 NF and try to resettle at other NW in cot and gently try to reset him as I think we're heading into rocking town.
Developmentally he is insanely quick compared to Z. He's now sitting from the crawling position and pulling up, and crawling pretty much. So in 1 month he's done all this YK?
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I know you don't want to wean the dummy as it helps with the reflux but do you think it is a prop and causing a problem? Is he close to replug going himself at all?
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Tis is the thing that is so hard with him Ali,
With Z yup - total prop, dependent, loved it we were in and out 2-3 times most night to replug then he did it himself and was fine.
With T. Sometimes he doesn't want it, and goes down without it...sometimes he acts like he doesn't want it, other times he is happy for a replug and we leave but usually when he cries and we go in it's something different to get him back down every time. Does that make sense?
He never seems 100% which is why it's hard to safety say yup lets make sure he can SS and teach him as it involves crying and sometimes he makes himself sick (not even crying a lot) sometimes we have to PU but then in order to pd before asleep we spend up having some PU/PD and I have to be careful not to do it too quick as to make his reflux worse.
My gut says he needs to replug himself - like you say.
He needs to be able to settle on his own without us, even if sometimes he can, often he needs something even if it's pressure. So maybe he wants reassurance in the night
We will be much better off (him) if I can get rid of the NF.
I just don't know how or where to start! Or how to stick with it YK?
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Sorry serial posting but I have just been to the dr so wanted to update and see what you ladies think re sleep training.
- we both agree reflux is ok ATM.
- she confirmed he is teething
- she believes all his issues ATM are stemming from constipation. She thinks the runny poops are a side effect from the constipation
So. Increase in lactulose. Give as 1 dose before BT (Ali she agreed with you about that idea :) )
Also, discussed his intolerances. No milk or soy or wheat till 2 yrs :o
She thinks feed him more solids. But we need to just get the constipation sorted. ... :-\
All this in mind I 'think' we are safe to attempt some gentle sleep training... What do you think about my thoughts in the prev post re paci and settling? Xx
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What do you think about my thoughts in the prev post re paci and settling? Xx
I think you're right, but I'd be wary about the paci becoming a prop (I know you don't think it is right now, but with continued replugging, it could be, yk?) -- guide his hand to it when he wakes at night, I guess and hope that he starts doing it himself?
What are you thinking about weaning feeds? Cutting down ounces or just going cold turkey on one of them?
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Thanks Erin. I do think it is a bit of a prop, but I also don't know if there is anything I can do about it YK? I will make him replug himself. He can do it during A time.
I was thinking of not feeding before 11pm at night. That is 5 hrs after his BT bottle. He can do that during the day even! Or...feeding a full bottle at 10 ish if he wakes then and then trying to not feed till morning :-\
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It seems like he should be able to do that at his age -- I'd probably just keep a close eye on his total intake for a few days to make sure he's making up for it during the day, yk?
I get what you're saying about the paci -- I think at this point he's going to have to learn to replug.
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I'm just dropping off hugs, no words of wisdom, sorry. ((()))
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Omg I just read this (well the article about why baby wont sleep) as we've been up every 45 mins
http://www.troublesometots.com/6-9-month-baby-sleep-guide/
We're stuffed....it's totally our fault, and I don't know how to fix it :'( I can't wean the paci, we can not survive a reflux flare without it, the crying alone for my toddler will mean 2 miserable children and mummy so stressed out you won't believe it..... Can it be that even though he goes down awake on his own in bed sometimes that it's getting worse because of us being there too much?
DH just gives in, so right now I feel like I'm on my own in working this out. When I took over at 11 (BT was 6.45) I fed, changed nappy and made him put the paci in his mouth and left quietly. I'm not sure if he is asleep but I just don't know what more I can do?
* update. When I went in he had spilled everywhere and it reeked of acid. So I guess we're back at square 1 - pain. :( I rocked him around 2am in the recliner for an hour then finally he slept till 6.20.
I feel like I'm going mad.
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(((Hugs))), Sara! Every 45min seems more like a discomfort issue than a prop issue to me. :-\
I think getting him to replug will be a step in the right direction, but honestly the things you say he is doing physically along with his tummy and feeding issues, I wouldn't say that anything is your fault. :( You're doing the best you can and you all need to get some sleep, so sometimes that's all you can do. He's got a good EASY, you've got a plan to work on getting rid of NFs and getting him to replug. I think that's the way to go. :-* :-*
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I think the less you can help him the better an independent sleeper he will be but with a baby in discomfort you just have to do what you have to do and completely independent sleep is not always possible right now.
Should his spit up be acidic with his reflux meds?
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No it shouldn't be acidic :( I'm going back to dr again today to see if I can get a temp increase.
His am nap he went to sleep all on his own, no help from me so he can do it YK? :(
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Ok ill give this thread a 3 day break...thank you ladies so much. :-*
Basically the dr has finally given me a medication I am hoping will help T. I need to give everything a few days to settle. (And to give you all a break from my crazy posting and stress!)
So, I will report back, and will work on what we discussed re paci and settling on his own when I can. Just to prove he can do it though he completely self settled for his pm nap too. - enigma!
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lots of ((((hugs))))) sweetie, I'll cross my fingers for some good progress in the next few days.
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I hope the new med works. Great news on the IS
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lots of ((((hugs))))) sweetie, I'll cross my fingers for some good progress in the next few days.
Me too! :-*
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Sending (((hugs))) and vibes that all goes well.
For quite a while, DD would surprise me with ss for a nap here and there and now she does it on her own almost all of the time. I always gave her a chance to ss but jumped in if she needed help. I'm betting T will do the same!
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cant wait for E to learn to ss properly... there are days where I just wanna rip my hairs out!
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... there are days where I just wanna rip my hairs out!
It would be less painful! :P
So night after miserable night was good 2 NW to feed and that's it! 12 hr night
Last night in between, a few replugs. A few terrible feeding attempts. Acid breath is back. I guess we just have to work with him for now :( reading about other mums with MSPI LOs rubbish sleep is common :(
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More ((((hugs)))).
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Wow...this sounds exactly like my 7month LO....night wakings exactly the same....right down to the ongoing constipation which she is on Lactulose for also.
I have no answers just sympathy! Hopefully we have a break through soon!
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reading about other mums with MSPI LOs rubbish sleep is common :(
(((Hugs))), Sara. It's just not fair. Poor babies and parents. :(
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Hey ladies, I thought (if it's ok) rather than start a new thread I'd just post here as T is such a confusing and sore wee thing.
Since cutting pear he is sleeping so much better. I think he is caught up on his OT build up - we have had three good nights 12 hrs plus with only short NW (and not 100 of them ::) ) last night we had a happy 2am NW :o for an hour, then he slept I till 7 and when I checked him he was awake happily playing in his cot! :D
So...given that he isn't in pain and now 7 months (today!) I think he needs more A, we gave him EBT every night because he was so terribly uncomfortable. But he does 14 or so in 24 so I think I need to balance his day a little now he isn't in pain.
Here was the last 24 hours
WU 6.30 after 12.5 hr night!
Nap 9.40-10.50 (I think UT)
Nap 1.45 (woke at 45, resettled till) 3.40
BT 6.50
NW 7.40, 10 (fed) NW 2 (leaked, changed and fed) awake till 3.30! (Bless DH dealing with it!)
WU 7ish (I checked at 7.08
Nap 9.45 (I'm sure ill get an UT nap, but I have to go out at 11)
I know ENW usually mean OT but I think we always get 35/40 min WU with UT - could this be possible?
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I know ENW usually mean OT but I think we always get 35/40 min WU with UT - could this be possible?
I tend to think anything is possible with babies, LOL. :P. My theory has always been that waking during the sleep cycle at certain times can be either OT or UT and it totally depends on the baby and how he is waking. If it's your gut feeling that it's UT, then it's worth pursuing. Has it gotten better since cutting out pear?
Glad to hear you're getting better nights! :)
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happy to hear things are working themselves out on your end with T :)
Eli is still all over the place at night...
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Katie - yes literally I cut pear and within 24 hrs he was sleeping like4-7 hr stretches :) last night was our best night yet!
So rest of EAS was
Nap 9.45-11 :)
Nap 2.10-3 extended till 3.30 (I think both naps UT but OT by BT as he was fussy at BT
BT 6.45 NW 7.30 (there is my UT theory gone though! usually the NW is 50/1 hr in)
NF 11
WU 5.40 out of cot 6
I'm so stoked - 2 NW and ~11 hr night is awesome considering his routine a bit wonky now :D
I tend to only get 1.5 hr naps if his night is awful and i push his A as well :-\
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I tend to only get 1.5 hr naps if his night is awful and i push his A as well :-\
Tricky little man! Roll on one nap, hey?!? :P. Better nights are way better than long naps though, esp with #2!
Yay for the best night yet! ;D
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Yeah, Im happy with his am being 1hr15 if it needs to be, but I do think he needs a more settled pm. I'm hoping it will come with his shorter but more settled nights YK?
I guess today marks the opportunity to have a longer day and push A a touch. DH is in charge as I'm off to get a HAIRCUT and colour :D (haven't had one since T was born!) so I think ill ask him to hold T out a little longer. He is better than I am at extending. I tend to pike.
* I just got corrected by DH, he settled himself at 40 mins, we didn't go in till 8.45 for a quick replug. :D
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Hugs Sarah. X
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Excellent Sarah, glad you're getting some better nights! With James, it was always how we woke and not when he woke that helped me figure if he was ut, ot, or whatever. Hope your haircut was fabulous, it always makes me feel wonderful! :)
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Thanks Erin. I actually do feel fabulous! I forgot how much a good hair cut and colour can make a woman feel!
So were in a pickle...I'm not sure what needs to change. Nights have defiantly settled down. Here is last night and today so far. Is the pm nap I think now needs a tweak :-\ (sorry I know we are in NW)
Bt 7
NW 8.20 replug
NF 11
NF 4 (lately its just been the 1 feed but last night he woke again so DH feed as solids have been cut right back)
WU 6
Nap 9.10-10.30
Nap 2-2.40 then resettle and asleep on DH in chair ::)
So we pushed the am A 10 mins and still getting 1hr20 but I'm happy with it because its 2 sleep cycles for t.
The pm nap is consistently a resettle...even with gently extending or not. :-\ today we pushed to 3.5 just to see ow he was but same old 40 min resettle.
He seems tired by 3-3hrs15 between pm and Bt so not sure if his mid nap wakes are actually OT?
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My guess would be OT just from looking at the EAS, but my two have been fairly low to avg A. Do you think he likes his As to get shorter as the day goes on?
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I wondered that too Katie, maybe he likes a long first A. :-\ He is avge-high A i Think but its hard to know as he hasn't slept well at night for so long, and now he is yk? Tomorrow ill keep the first at 3.10/15 and offer the next at 3? Ill see how he goes! Thanks Hun.
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I'd say cut it too if you haven't already. When you keep pushing and it doesn't get any better, I think it's always worth going in the other direction. :)
Nothing wrong with posting about tweaking on NWings -- it's all connected, yk?
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Ok lovelies....
State of play is we had 2 more awful nights - I've since cut out another food I thought was safe and he's coming right...first normal poop this am :)
So last 24 hrs has been - note A times cut back a little
BT 6.45 (aimed for 6.30)
NW 8.30-10.30 yup absolute rubbish on and off sleeping but mostly awake :o sitting in the cot, unsettled, wriggly, didn't want us, didn't want bed, didn't want paci. But did want food :-\ once asleep (self settled in cot) he STTN till 6.05am
Nap 9.20-10.30 (I started WD early but I think he wasnt tired enough. Settled in cot.
Nap 1.30-2.55 (a bit angry not sure if OT or UT, settled in cot with pressure) I also snuck in at 35 mins and put my hand on his arm (side sleeping) and he stayed asleep through the transition.
So aiming for BT of 6.15/6.30 of which I know he will be behaving OT for.
So really, dyt were looking at UT or OT here? Or just that he naps for 1hr15 (seems to be his usual length) he sleep cycle is 38 minutes ;)
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So really, dyt were looking at UT or OT here? Or just that he naps for 1hr15 (seems to be his usual length) he sleep cycle is 38 minutes ;)
I don't know. It doesn't really seem glaringly either. :-\. Nice that he slept through that second one without having to be resettled, though.
I've since cut out antihero food I thought was safe and he's coming right...
What is antihero food? ??? (((Hugs))) for more rough nights. :(
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(((hugs))) for the awful nights.
It sounds so much as the same as what's happening with DD - either a long early NW and STTN or a long NW later.
dyt were looking at UT or OT here?
Since I can't figure it out with my own LO, I won't attempt and answer for yours which is probably not very helpful. DD also has a 38 minute sleep cycle so I count 1h15 naps as restorative. Lately, she's been giving me longer naps but I think that's a product of her being under the weather and her rubbish nights. I'm actually happy when her naps are 1h15-1h30 as opposed to 2h because then I know she's fairly well rested.
When he woke at 8:30, did he wake up crying?
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Lol another food! (Sorry!)
He seems to wake crying all the time ATM. Which makes me think OT, but then it co e be discomfort :-\
Katie, in the pm last few days I have gone in and layer a hand on him through the transition but he did stay asleep.
Last night was also terrible. He smelt like acid again ::)
BT 6.30
NW 7.30-9 :o didn't want to settle anywhere - OT
NW 11 fed
NW 2 fed 3 oz which he drained because he was really upset and I was hoping it would sooth his throat!
WU 6.30
He seems to be APOP resistant ATM and like he hates his cot ??? He's trying to pull up which isn't helping. (He never sits blooming still!)
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Sara, just dropping off some more hugs. Poor little T, he's giving you a rough ride alright.
Any chance you can hold steady for a couple of days and see how he fares with 1hr 15 ish naps? Just to test if that's his standard. If memory serves, E here would have done something like that around that age. xxx
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Thanks Anne :-*
Yes I'm going to have to I think :-\ I can't resettle the am with Z around and he's so APOP resistant anyway so unless he does 30/40 there is no resettling in his cot or with AP.
Going for 3 hrs then 3hrs15 (to be consistent AND this is what is giving me 1hr15) but today we have a power outage so his white noise is not so good (ipad)
He's a bag of misery, I want my happy baby back :(
Oh and ladies...I'm tempted to try an earlier BT. 6.30/7 is the norm but he rarely wakes before 6 so if he has a bad night it's longer YK? Thinking 6pm?
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(((hugs))) for you and healthy vibes for T.
An 6 BT might be worth a shot. If you don't want to do it all at once you could maybe try 15 minutes earlier and see how it goes.
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Omg red dot on gum, tooth about to pop. Today has been the pits :'(
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Lol another food! (Sorry!)
LOL, I didn't realize it was an auto-correct... thought it was really something. ::)
(((Hugs))) hon, hope that tooth comes through quick!
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How are things, Sara? Any sign of the tooth? Wish life would just give T a break! Just a week with nothing happening!
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Thanks for thinking of us Anne. Yes, we have a tooth erupting :) of course it's not the usual central incisor but the one to the left ::) I think his right one is also about to pop.
I know this looks foul - but his nights ok for him.
Bt 7 (because he was sleeping in so day shifted a little)
Few ENW usually easy to settle - bit of teething gel
NW anywhere between 10-2 for NF back to sleep
WU 6-7 :)
Teething pain seems to be between 1pm-9pm then he gets a break ;
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I actually don't think it looks that bad, but maybe my standard isn't too high! :P :-[
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Thanks Katie :-* a long stretch of 5-6 hrs is great for T! ::)
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Glad to hear things have improved. I hope it continues :)
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Hey ladies.
So nights have settled a little, but still a few NW. Right now I'm ok with this until we see the pead of wed. Once I'm confident there is no pain I think we do need to do some sleep training.
But for now, nights are between 11-12 hrs with usually 1 ENW, then 1 or 2 NW for feeds. WU is between 6-7 BT same, usually closer to 7
Still can not work out his naps. I swear he is LSN :-\ honestly he barely ever shows tired signs and when he finally does he will do a good nap. The pm nap is constantly a resettle. I held at 3,3hrs15 and even tried 3.5. Sometimes he totally refuses to go back to sleep after his 40 min WU.
Am nap is usually 1hr10-30 yesterday was
WU 6.30
Nap 9.30-11 (unusual for him to nap that long on 3hr A)
Nap 2.30 needed resettled and DH APOPed him. Took 20 mins then slept till 4 and I woke.
BT 7.30 (fought us when we tried at 7.15 like UT)
NW 8.15
NW 10.45 fed (didn't feed at BT, closer to 6.30)
NW 2.30 fed
WU 6.25
Oh and we have crazy teething and he is pulling up now (so developmental stuff)
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DDs pm nap was almost always ugly until a few weeks ago. Over a period of a few days, it got longer and longer and now it's sometimes 2 hours which was previously unheard of. I don't even know if it got better because of all of the tweaking I did or if she just grew out of it :-\ Even now that it's mostly better, I find that if she's teething she goes back to a 40 min pm nap.
I don't know if this helps you, but I found it reassuring - In BWSAYP, Tracy talks about inconsistent napping being very common between 6 and 9 months. She mentions that sometimes one of the naps is short and there's not always something you can do about it except adjusting your routine to accommodate the short nap.
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Interesting about teething as T is definitely teething. When I go in at 40 mins his cheeks are always so red!
Lily, thanks. I guess I don't know what to do if the pm nap is short? - offer a 3rd or EBT?
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I usually offered a short 3rd nap (10-20 min) because EBT didn't seem to work but I was doing BT too late on a regular basis so EBT wasn't really early enough to be helpful, iykwim.
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So say I get 40 mins at 2-2.40 would you do a CN at 4.40-5? Then BT at 7 ??? Or EBT at 5.30?
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I would probably go for the CN at 4:40 and BT at 7 or slightly earlier.
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Thanks Hun. Well today he did
WU 6.20
Nap 9.30-10.35 (1 hr UT I think)
The watched for sleepy cues. Got NONE so sent for it at
Nap 1.55-3 (another 1 hr 5 but I snuck in at 35 and placed a hand on him. He jolted at 45 or so.)
So there you have it...the kid that no matter what naps and NW like crazy. I'm so at a loss. :( he's either OT or UT or (and probably this too) needs help to sleep.
He gives no tired signs, I'm guessing that his pm nap was OT because of the jolt. :-\ I'm really a little scared to push to 3.5 for his am already because then we struggle to fit a pm in if he is silly about it. That said at 6 mths he was on 3-3hrs15
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(((hugs)), James never napped well until he dropped to 1 nap. I think it's just harder for some babies to sort daytime sleep.
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:( I so need him to nap though with Z, every nap is a battle. I've seriously tried short, med, long As. He 'used' to nap well before 6 months grrrr..... He is pulling up and cruising now, could this be part of it? Also I know we need to st. He needs to go in the cot awake and not be 'rescued' 1/2 the time ::)
I am also sure he is LSN - 14/24 or even a touch less, so getting 12 at night means less during the day
I think we will start gentle st (again!) as he seems well today. It's causing strain in DH and is relationship now too YK? He is quite persistent for a textbook baby so I hope we don't give up. Where it's hard with him is a) I try to minimise the crying b) he settles better when we are not in the room and c) w are tough as were tired and I don't want him to wake Z.
* update it's 5 pm and he's tired cranky. So I'm defiantly missing his window :-\ that or it's teeth ::)
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So I'm defiantly missing his window :-\ that or it's teeth ::)
Definitely sounds like teeth are bothering him to me, but could be a bit of both. G was not good for tried signs either, so I just had to go with experimentation. And, thankfully with a couple NFs he always did a pretty good night. :P
I also think pulling up and cruising can definitely cause issues for some LOs. Pulling up was like the best game ever invented for G... I hated it! ::) Never caused an issue with C.
Sounds like when teething eases and with the clear from the ped, some gentle ST is a good plan. We also got lots of 1-1:15/20 naps at this age though, so it may be something that just is. :-\
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Well EBT 5.45 backfired tonight Katie :( he's up at 5. :o last night he was up an hour in ENW - then at 11.30 where I fed.
I'm just not sure what to do. I can't ap the am nap but it seems if that one is short then day is a write off :-\
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Oh no! :( Can you APOP a 3rd CN at some point? I think like Lily was saying a couple posts back, I always went for that 3rd one til I couldn't (probably 8/9mo, but by then both other naps needed to be short for it to work).
(((Hugs))) Sara, you need a break! :-*
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Ok so DH got him back to sleep :) at 5.35 and I went in at 7.05 and he was awake chilling.
I know I'm freaking myself out. I just red to step back - sigh
So today and for next 3 days I'm going back to scratch. I going to watch for cues from 2hr45 and if I get none go for 3hrs15/20 first A. I'm going to then just pd at 3 hrs A next. If I get UT at least ill fit in a CN and OT will be reduced YK?
I know teeth are probably part of this, my old threads with Z at this age were similar but Z napped better and nights were short. I can not get over how much this boy moves though. He's cruising already, standing with 1 arm out trying to walk. Wtf!
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I know I'm freaking myself out. I just red to step back - sigh
Hard to do when it affects all of you, though. :-*. Yay for DH getting him back! Sounds like you've got a good plan for the next few days.
I can not get over how much this boy moves though. He's cruising already, standing with 1 arm out trying to walk. Wtf!
LOL, got to keep up with big bro! :P ;)
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Sorry I know I said a few days...but I just want to say 2hr45 min A time and he's 1hr50 into a nap ::) (10-11.50 ill wake at 12) Z did this and now I'm wondering if its all teething :-\ ugh ugh ugh. On the upside yay nap (will prob get pm refusal) and yay Z and I have been outside all morning!
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I'm so glad you got a decent nap out of the boy -- I'm with Katie, you need a break!
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Wow cruising at 7mo, he is active. Maybe he was working on this development and will settle down now.
Glad DH got T back to sleep. It sounds like EBT actually worked well for you.
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I know Ali, I thought he would be my chilled boy but no. He will be walking before Z did I fear ::) my bet is it's all teething, but I could be wrong. :-*
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Well hurrah for the good nap. I'm intrigued to see what he's got up his sleeve next... :)
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Well hurrah for the good nap. I'm intrigued to see what he's got up his sleeve next... :)
Mmm well this am DH is working from home and he went into his room to get him and he was standing in the cot for the first time in his sleep sack ::)
Good night, BT 7.15 NW 9, NF 11 and 3.30 (yes I now were terrible!) up at 7 :) my guess is its all teeth though.
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Mmm well this am DH is working from home and he went into his room to get him and he was standing in the cot for the first time in his sleep sack ::)
Ha, little stinker! ;) :-*
Not a bad night, Sara... c'mon teeth, c'mon through and take a break!
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Yay for the good nap!!!! For some inexplicable reason, R went back 20-30 minutes in her morning A time a few weeks ago and her morning naps are now usually 1h30-2h. Maybe it's some weird developmental blip.
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We have had 3 days of a 2hr am nap and 1hr15 pm nap. ... But that tooth has finally popped so I am just hoping its not that which has been the reason for the long naps! (A times have been 2hrs45/2hrs50-3/3
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Ooh, sounds good! Long may it continue! Hope the nights have been ok too! :-*
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Last night was 1 NW. :D (I'm not getting my hopes up though) but we had BT 7 resettled himself at 45 mins/1.5 hrs then 11.45 NF and 6.40 WU :D
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Woohoo!! Way to go, T!!! Keep up the good work, little man! ;D
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That was a great night, T! Well done! Now that he's figured out how to stand maybe he'll calm down!
He's amazing though, E here is just working on standing (with great determination and energy) but she's just turned one!
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That's fab. Maybe he is out the other side of the teething and/or developmental leap and he'll be more settled.
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:-* ladies. Like I said I worry it's just teeth. But I'm taking what I can get ;)
Lol Anne. I think this kid is never going to slow down ::) DH and I have bets on when he will walk. I think 9 months. He thinks 8.5 :o he literally pulls up on evening and does high risk one hand holds then bounces with 1 arm out :o :o cowboy ::)
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Wow Sara! James was close to 16 months when he finally decided to walk! Amazing how different they all are. :)
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Yes Erin...if T is like Z though he will be all gross motor and physical but lack in language YK? DH walked at 9 mths and my brother at 9 too so it's probably genetic like all the other craziness here ;)
So 1hr25 am nap again, and cranky boy as the tooth is finishing cutting. I'm betting on a 40 min pm nap ::)
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Boo, stupid teeth! :(
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Boo, stupid teeth! :(
I second this.
It's funny how different they all are, right? Katie and James both walked around the 15/16 month mark, Katie was a super early talker -- James says enough though not quite as much as she did at his age! Allie walked much earlier - and I can remember her being able to jump not too long after her first birthday -- but she took forever to talk -- even now at age 6, she's had her speech evaluated 2 or 3 times and she's always fine, just on the late end of the curve. :) Anyway, sorry for the ramble -- I hope that tooth pops quickly.
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:-* we thought Z was a late talker but on checking apparently he is avge..the range for these things is huge!
So identical to 2 nights ago. Rough evening, few cry outs. Sleep in 6.30pm-7am me bets another tooth is here.
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Ugh, hurry up teeth!
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I'm so y at DH. Today the 1 day he was doing 1 nap and he pd late, t isn't asleep and I have to go in and settle him - so OT, and sore (teeth) ::) 40 min nap. I've sent DH in to resettle humpf!
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Argh... men! :P Good for having him do the resettle. (((Hugs))), Sara, hope you get a break in the action soon! :-*
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:-* honestly things are so much better than they were! :) ;)
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Always good to look on the bright side! :) :-*
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Glad you can see some improvement. :)
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Another tooth ;)
We are still doing 1-2 NF. Pad thinks it's ok, and he does take a full feed every time. He doesn't eat much because of his multiple intolerances and gut sensitivity...so I guess I'm assuming this is ok ???
Thing is Z had 0 NF at this age (sometimes a 4am one but not often) but he had lots of solids and snacks at 7.5 mths :-\
His NW are never at the same time so does this mean its not habitual? Oh and we don't give a NF till after 10pm unless he's in a state (ie cutting his first tooth we Di to get him back to sleep)
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James didn't take well to solids until 8/9 months so at T's age he had the DF and a NF still. We didn't get rid of either until 10 months when we dropped the DF -- he managed to drop the NF on his own about a month later and started sleeping through around 11 months. His wakings were fairly random as well and he generally went straight back to sleep so I wasn't messing with it. I know T is bottle fed so maybe different there, but I also know you're worried about his intake overall, so as long as he's going back to sleep, I would just keep feeding if it were me. I feel like the reassurance that he's getting fed is going to help you sleep better, yk? If you want to try to discourage the night feeds long term, you could always keep those bottles smaller than the daytime ones if you think he'd still go back to sleep.
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Totally agree with Erin. He's still pretty young and with the restrictions on his solids, I think 1-2 NFs is very reasonable. I'd say 1NF would be reasonable for his age even if he was taking lots of solids. They don't sound habitual to me.
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Thanks Erin it's nice to know I'm not alone ;) thing is Z was BF but was a little pig. ::)
We were doing the first NF (DF time really but he is awake) as a full feed, then the next was smaller (3-4) but then with everything going backwards food wise I've just offered full bottles (well for him, he only drinks 5-6 oz at a time ever)
Our plunket nurse told me he doesn't need any ::) but then my auntie is one too and said my p.n was probably referring to a healthy eating LO on std formula with full 7-8 oz bottles and a DF :-\
Thanks Katie, just saw your post too! He is a very active and tall boy too, 90th height 50th weight so it's not like he's a chunky monkey YK?
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Our plunket nurse told me he doesn't need any ::) but then my auntie is one too and said my p.n was probably referring to a healthy eating LO on std formula with full 7-8 oz bottles and a DF :-\
Yes, I'm going with Auntie. Babies are individuals, there can't be a 'should' on these things esp with a LO who has different dietary needs. Claire was like James, she didn't really take any solids til 8/9mo (hated purees and I didn't know about BLW). I pushed her to drop the NF (she was still getting a DF) at 6/7mo because everything I read and everybody told me that she could go from DF til morning and that might help her take solids. I always wish I would have just kept feeding her til she dropped on her own or at least was taking more solids, as that was not the reason she wasn't taking them (she wanted to do it HERSELF and loved little cubes :P). Hindsight... :(
Anyway, not wanting to project my experience on you, but just want to say I'm sure he's fine. All babies are different.
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Well last three nights he has just had 1 NF - 10,10 and 12 :)
Last night was 1 NW, that is the best we have had in forever. BUT it was a long one at 12. He just seemed awake and unable to settle. After an hour of him stirring/all in every 20 mins we medicated and he went to sleep. Hs second tooth is almost all through so I'm guessing he was a little uncomfortable? EW though 5.50 ::) (BT 6.20)
Once this tooth is through I'm going to hold our A times at 3,3hrs15,3 (if short nap) or 3hrs15/20 (if good nap)
The pm nap is often 40 mins and lately I can't extend. Not sure if its teeth or UT.:-\
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To me, can't extend says UT but there may be wiser heads here somewhere...
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To me, can't extend says UT but there may be wiser heads here somewhere...
I would tend to agree, as it seems you are usually able to get him back. :-\ You should get a clearer picture once this tooth is through, though.
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Lol Anne. I agree. I guess I worry because I've tried longer As and had a similar issue but I could extend easier (even if ap) the pm nap is always hit and miss!
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Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh
2 hr long NW tonight...so far! I'm so over this child. ::) :'(
Sleep!!!!!
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Oh dear, come on T, time to go back to sleep! (((Hugs))), Sara :-*
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Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh
2 hr long NW tonight...so far! I'm so over this child. ::) :'(
Sleep!!!!!
Good grief. Hope you're all asleep again by now. Come on T, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Nope. DH is in there rocking. ::) he's so OT now it's ridiculous I think he's asleep now but when DH tried tops last time he cried ::)
I'm so sick to death of this kids sleep. It finally comes right and then it's pants again. I think he's hitting another WW a few days early. But we're talking 2.5 hrs long NW ... How on earth do we recover from that tomorrow? ???
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(((hugs))) on the long NW. We had that during R's last WW. I usually just go by cues the next day and try to forget about A times to help her recover. She usually gives me longer naps on a shorter A time if I go that route - fx that T will do the same.
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Hi Sara.
{Hugs}. Just support from me. I have long nw with my one the same age now. I've been up almost two hours, since 3.40 with him right now. He seems to get so worked up and just can't snap him out of it. He's been pear shaped since he got his first cold a month ago. A few nights ago he randomly slept thru for the first and only time in his life, which gave me false hope, so the two hour nws are all the more frustrating. Don't know the answer but would love to.
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Oh seriously T? Give your parents a break already!
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I just feel so useless. And soooooo tired!
He's up for the day, it's 6.40. Sounds happy but must be ridiculous OT. 9.5 hr night sleep.
What do you ladies do at these long NW? Last night we had to leave him to hang out because he was mad when we try to ap, hold, pat etc. then he gets upset and we go round and round.
I'm so unhappy with him today :(
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Hugs Sara. sometimes I would just get a pillow and lay on the floor by the cot. If he was happy that was all, if he cried I would just say our sleepy phrase. If he was really unhappy I would put my hand up through the bars and on to the mattress beside his head and he would either snuggle into it or hold my hand. At least I could doze and he still had me there to comfort him.
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sometimes I would just get a pillow and lay on the floor by the cot. If he was happy that was all, if he cried I would just say our sleepy phrase. If he was really unhappy I would put my hand up through the bars and on to the mattress beside his head and he would either snuggle into it or hold my hand. At least I could doze and he still had me there to comfort him.
Yep, I've done a lot of this in my life. It's much worse for me when I have to go in multiple times within the NW, so if I leave and go back again, I almost always just end up camping on the floor.
(((Hugs))), Sara, I'm sorry it was a tough night and a down day to follow. :-* :-*
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Ok I think that is a good idea. We still have the recliner in there too so I can sit in that. I guess we don't do that because he seems to get more annoyed when we stay. DH thinks last time had did this it was 2-3 nights so I hope that's true!
Did you let your LOs have a long catch up am nap if they wanted during tis rubbish or not? I just want him to sleep!
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Hugs Sara. sometimes I would just get a pillow and lay on the floor by the cot. If he was happy that was all, if he cried I would just say our sleepy phrase. If he was really unhappy I would put my hand up through the bars and on to the mattress beside his head and he would either snuggle into it or hold my hand. At least I could doze and he still had me there to comfort him
Did lots of this too.
And, yes, after a bad night with LO1 would often have a long am catch-up. I figured if he got the extra sleep in the morning it wouldn't mess too much with his night sleep. But, I have to say, LO1 is generally a happy sleeper (except tonight! Bah!).
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Thanks Anne. ... I hope T one day ends up as good of a sleeper as Z is now! z was rubbish the first year too, but probably not this inconsistent ::)
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We hitting 2hrs15 mins into his am nap :o ummmm.....what do I do! Eeek
I think ill wake at 12 we will barely fit another nap in otherwise. He's doing a rubbish pm anyway ATM.
So does this look ok for the rest of the day (and cross fingers for the night)
WU 640 out of cot 7
Nap 9.40-12 (ill wake)
Nap 330-4.10 (or it may be earlier ie 3hrs15 A)
BT 6.40-7 (ill watch him but I think he will close to 3 hrs)
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Hugs on the long NW and down day. I hope tonight is better.
Your plan for the day looks good. I've found that after rubbish nights DD will often be ready for her am nap earlier than usual and still take a huge nap. It helps keep it from getting too late in the day if it's really long.
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Good luck for today and tonight. During our long nws I pull up a chair next to the cot and put my arm through bars and stroke his legs. I sing or hum and just stay with him. He gets worse if I pick him up, so I don't. Normally when he eventually settles it's when I change songs - it's like he needs to snap out of it. Good luck for tonight x
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Looks like a good plan to me! I always think a bit of catchup in the am is good (for everyone) after a bad night like that. FX tonight is better. :-* :-*
Normally when he eventually settles it's when I change songs - it's like he needs to snap out of it.
This happened with Claire, it was like something needed to snap her out of it. Of course, when I tried to repeat that thing at another long NW, it never worked, it was something else. ::)
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Thanks ladies. Yes I think T does need to be snapped out of it sometimes. ::) defiantly will damp out tonight if he does it again.
So 45/50 mins ending at 3.45. He woke ok so it'll do. ;) he was really tired so I had to pd early.
Aiming for BT 6.15/30
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This happened with Claire, it was like something needed to snap her out of it. Of course, when I tried to repeat that thing at another long NW, it never worked, it was something else.
Yes, totally. He keeps me on my toes thinking of new songs to sing him.
I hope bedtime has gone well.
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Yes I think T does need to be snapped out of it sometimes
I often switch a night light on for a minute just to get that re-set effect. Yay for the good nap, hope it sets him up for a good night, and you too.
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Thank goodness we had a good night!
BT 6.40
NW 8.30 - discomfort, barely awake.
NW 11 feed
WU 7-7.10 :D yippppppeeeeeeeeeee
What is interesting is he does a good night every time he has close to a 3 hr A offer a short nap :-\ (full sleep cycle but 45/50 mins)
Ladies, you have all been amazing! But I do feel now I'm bouncing ideas around and moaning rather than needing constructive advice. So...we're going to attempt some more st if we get a few decent nights then try to up Ts A times a little. Ill prob post on EASY if the naps stay wonky.
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Woohoo, that's the way, T!! ;D Keep it up, little man! Best wishes, lovely Sara! :-* :-*
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That sounds good