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Title: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 20, 2013, 22:05:21 pm
Hey ladies.

So after T being on his crazy pumpkin and supplement diet for almost a month now he is pretty much symptom free of gut, intestine and bowel discomfort. :)

I am now able to introduce new foods or him as follows:

Diet: Avoid dairy, soy, wheat, eggs, peanuts, berries, shellfish, pear for now.
Neocate. Introduce new foods one at a time, every 2 days: start with vegetables: green leafy vegetables, such as bok choi, kale, chard (not spinach); broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, avocado, kumara; use coconut oil. Legumes: chick peas, lentils, beans.
Grains: slowly introduce brown rice,

But I have no idea how I'm meant to give him kale or chard! Never used them :o
I assume I steam the book choy, or I could cut it up small then stir fry in coconut oil?

Same with the legumes..any tips or recipes ???

Currently he has pumpkin, lamb, zucchini, millet and can tolerate a little rice cereal, banana and lettuce.

Would love some breakfast ideas with this funny selection ???
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on June 20, 2013, 22:45:14 pm
First thoughts are something like bean or lentil and pumpkin burgers/frittas. I use canned beans/lentils because i am too lazy to soak and boil them, canned in water, no sugar/salt, so I just drain and rinse in water. Drain thoroughly, dry with kitchen paper if you can, then mash up, add some pre cooked pumpkin as this will help to bind it together (you could add finely chopped kale too but perhaps at a later date so there is only one new food type at once?) and depending on the consistency either dollop spoon fulls into hot coconut oil or shape in your hand to a burger or fritter shape then fry.

In fact canned beans are just great as a snack, just drain and rinse.  DS will eat them without anything added which it sounds like would be a good trial for T.

Thinking about introducing the green leafy veg first, you could steam and chop some kale (squeeze out ALL the water after cooking) and make kale and pumpkin frittas? (kale is much like spinach, I love it but good luck because I think kids either love or hate those dark green veg.  With broccoli if he won't entertain the flowers try the long stemmed stuff and cut the flowers away so he just gets the stem, it's the only part DS will eat and I discovered this by chance)

I think a banana and chickpea pancake might work, just whizz then fry.  or butter beans if he can trial those.  Might be worth a try for breakfast??
I'll keep thinking...

and BTW really great to hear he is pain free now  :-*
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on June 20, 2013, 22:49:23 pm
Oh and I would just whizz chickpeas and offer them, maybe slacken it down with his formula...it would be like a very bland humus but with a limited diet you can't really add the rest of the recipe yk.  Same with kidney beans, you can make a dip but it involves onion, garlic, spices etc so I would start with a plain one.
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 20, 2013, 22:59:19 pm
Omg creations. I heart you! :-*
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on June 21, 2013, 07:57:51 am
:)  I heart you too!

You know, most kids seem to like peas because they are sweet and don't have the same texture as other legumes.  I was thinking about this, my DS always liked baked beans from a can (not the healthiest in that sauce but ho hum good for an emergency back up on a rushed day) but was a bit on/off with other beans sometimes eating lots other times refusing. he seemed not to like kidney beans straight off but now does and is still not hugely impressed by butter beans.  The sauce and flavouring makes a big difference but with T you won't be able to make those sort of sauces/dressings until his diet expands.  So - that's why I thought peas and sweetcorn, they are so sweet and are classed as legumes, eating them just plain for the first trial would be easy, but it depends how you feel about the choke hazard at this point, all kids are so different in the early days of solids, if you were worried about it then you can squish the peas up, mash them or again make some fritta type things or pancakes.
I had another thought that you can use the millet to make pancakes or to help bind bean/lentil burgers.  I've never used millet so it didn't instantly spring to mind, but there are recipes for millet pancakes around and I'm sure you could make egg free, use banana instead of milk/egg.  And pancakes go down pretty well for breakfast, good for freezing in batches too.

With the legumes, if you don't usually include them in the family meals I really recommend trying to introduce some. Just cut the amount of meat in half and throw in a drained and rinsed can of something into stews etc.  A lamb, pumpkin, chickpea stew would help to flavour the beans with the lamb juices and once you lift out T's portion you could add other ingredients, onion, garlic, spices etc for the rest of the family so that T gets something very similar to everyone else (which I always felt important when weaning, so far as is possible anyway).  Also things like shepherds pie do half lamb mince and half lentils the nutrients in the lentils are good for everyone in the family and you can top with pumpkin mash instead of potato mash - again I'm thinking possibly a little bland for the rest of the family but if you keep the cooking as close as possible the same it is less hassle for you.  Split T's into an individual dish and add seasoning etc to the family version.

Lamb and bean/lentil burgers made with lamb mince and mashed beans then fried or oven baked for a healthier option if you tend to avoid fried food.

I recently tried out a lentil salad (as a side) which was delicious, again you can try T with just plain lentils at the same time.

Have you asked the dietician/doc about things to flavour food such as lemon juice, garlic, onion?

I had some other ideas but now I've totally forgotten what!  If it comes back to me I'll pop back over. x
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 21, 2013, 08:29:58 am
I've been shopping and got lots of food (the bank account is drained with all the pricey goods but that's ok ;) )

I only really use chickpeas in stews/casseroles etc and beans in soups! I'm loving the pancake and fritter/patty ideas. I brought canned organic chickpeas and butter beans, I wasn't sure what beans!

He can have herbs I think, but not acidic or surgery fruit yet. No onion..think gentle gentle food. ;) ::)  poor kid wants Zs toast every day! He has had a few munches when I haven't seen it coming and Z just shares ::)

Thank you so much. I was so lost with what to do, I can't even think out of my box right now on how to mix thing up YK?
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on June 21, 2013, 09:17:42 am
There's some info here about beans and how to include them in your diet.  For example red beans have lots of iron, black eyes beans have lots of calcium.
http://www.dietriffic.com/2007/09/09/what-are-legumes/
(I haven't read in great detail but there is a link to 6 ways to include beans in your diet which might be interesting)

Any beans are good, haricot, pinto, black eyed, borlotti... I think just buy a different one each time you shop to explore them.
We often use kidney beans because they are super cheap here, other beans aren't exactly expensive per can (even cheaper dry but like I said, I am too lazy and don't usually plan ahead) but tend to be 3 or 4 times the price of kidney beans.
Fresh green beans are legumes too, nice just steamed and can use them to dip into humus when he is able to have both together after your initial 2 day trial.

I think most kids want to eat what everyone else is eating, I'm sure you don't want to limit everyone's diet around T's needs but it would be nice for him to feel included wouldn't it.  How about a mexican meal, beans and tacos with guacamole?  Portion T some plain beans before you cook up the family one in sauce, and a home made guacamole with the avocado, because T can't have the lime, garlic, spices etc in the family version you can make him a mashed avocado seconds before sitting down to eat, it won't last in the fridge like the family one and will go brown quickly without the lime but so long as you do it last minute it will be yummy.

Nigella Lawson makes a butter bean mash to replace use of potatoes, that's pretty nice we have it sometimes.

If you need to keep beans after opening a can rinse then cover in fresh water and keep in a tub in the fridge over night. This way you could do a 2 day trial on one can and also make the rest of the can up into humus or kidney bean dip or add to your regular stew or whatever for the family.  I hate waste and i know we waste way too much food here :(

Do you already make sweet potato/kumara chips/fries (roasted in a little coconut oil in the oven)?  I use grated sweet potato in pancakes so there's another option.  Hmmm...I think there are lots of options when you start to explore but I'm sure it feels incredibly limited and a PITA to cook separate meals.
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Edesanja on June 21, 2013, 20:46:27 pm
You are definitely in safe hands with creations it seems - fab ideas! But just wanting to say, J lived on fritters for at least 2 meals a day for a LONG time - they are fab and you can do them different ways even with limited options.
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: enna77 on June 22, 2013, 10:31:14 am
Sara this may be a dumb suggestion not sure if he's allowed it but what about those rice cereals that are fortified with iron? Like I've got an organic one that says it provides 45% of their daily iron needs
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 22, 2013, 19:43:29 pm
Jenny, nice to know fritters are a good meal ;) . He can have a little rice cerial, but really I've been told he should have everything from scratch (yes like I have the time ::) but anyway) I did buy some rice cerial that is iron fortified, but he has such a small amount I don't think it does much.

He's had 1 lot of iron and guess what...he is now constipated! :) go figure right. Arrrggghhhh
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on June 23, 2013, 09:16:03 am
Oh dear :(
I think the beans/lentils may help with constipation if you can get started on those. Have you started a trial yet?
I found carrots constipated my DS, all different I know, but maybe don't go for carrots until a later date just in case?
Maybe try some very very ripe banana to help with the constipation.

Keep us posted on his full list of foods so we can help with combos and recipe ideas! :)
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: ZacsMumme on July 09, 2013, 22:39:26 pm
Hi ladies,
Just wanted to update. Things have progressed very slowly here, T is currently sick with a nasty bug so he is rejecting solids a lot.

But he can now tolerate cauliflour, chickpeas, apple, kumera/sweet potato, carrot, corn puffs and corn cruskits (he was dying for something to munch on like toast!
I'm growing kale and have offered broccoli. I'm going to try bok choy and butter beans next.

Creations/Jenny - how did you do pancakes. Can't have egg or normal flour but I have brown rice flour.
Creations - do you have the butter bean mash recipe? With the lamb and bean burger do you have anything to bind it, or straight lamb mince and beans? I could use pumpkin or applesauce ???
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Edesanja on July 10, 2013, 00:38:06 am
Hi ladies,
Just wanted to update. Things have progressed very slowly here, T is currently sick with a nasty bug so he is rejecting solids a lot.

But he can now tolerate cauliflour, chickpeas, apple, kumera/sweet potato, carrot, corn puffs and corn cruskits (he was dying for something to munch on like toast!
I'm growing kale and have offered broccoli. I'm going to try bok choy and butter beans next.

Creations/Jenny - how did you do pancakes. Can't have egg or normal flour but I have brown rice flour.
Creations - do you have the butter bean mash recipe? With the lamb and bean burger do you have anything to bind it, or straight lamb mince and beans? I could use pumpkin or applesauce ???

Apple is often used as a replacement for egg in recipes so I'd give that a go. Google gluten free vegan pancakes and you might find something useful? Sorry I can't be more helpful!
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Jimbob on July 10, 2013, 07:05:44 am
There are some good pancake recipes on http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org

Kelly x
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: creations on July 10, 2013, 11:46:55 am
how did you do pancakes. Can't have egg or normal flour but I have brown rice flour.
I haven't made any suitable, only almond flour but still with egg and he can't have nuts yet so almond flour is no good...but you can use a banana instead of egg and try with millet or rice flour?  If he is ok with corn now how about corn flour?  I'm sure you could do corn flour, his safe milk (but less as the banana will add fluid) and banana whizzed together as a basic batter. Then add various flavours as and when he can have them.  Hmm...he can't have too much banana can he? Well, I'm sure you can make a basic batter with just corn flour and milk any other fruit or veg will add the flavour.

Bean burgers (with any other stuff added) should hold if you mash some or all of the beans to get the mushy stuff to come out and squeeze them tightly into patties in your hands, just handle with care when cooking. I always make meatballs and meat burgers without binding with egg and they don't fall apart, but yes something like pumpkin, sweet potato mash, that would do it.  It doesn't matter if they are not solid before cooking, if it's like a batter, just spoon it into the pan like pancakes.
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Buntybear on July 10, 2013, 16:57:56 pm
I think it was Kelly who gave me a good pancake recipe for Olly when he was weaning. Will have to dig through my PMs from that time and see if I can find it!
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Buntybear on July 10, 2013, 16:59:11 pm
No it was Heidi  :P

Here it is;

This is the pancake recipe:

1 cup flour (I mix millet, rice & coconut flours)
1/2 tsp baking soda
2 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
2 tbsp sugar
1 cup soy milk (I've done 1/2 water, works the same)
1 1/2 tbsp veg oil
1/2 tsp vanilla
applesauce (I use the little 1 serving size pots, probably amounts to 1/3 cup
Title: Re: Update and questions on Ts intolerances and how to give him some new foods
Post by: Jimbob on July 10, 2013, 17:24:02 pm
Would this recipe work. I have not checked the foods that T can have now so not completely sure if it is ok or not.

Apple Rice Pancakes

Ingredients

1 1/4  cups  white rice flour
2  tsp  baking powder
1/4  tsp  salt
1/8  tsp  baking soda
2  Tbsp  sugar
1  Tbsp  oil
1  cup  liquid: water, apple juice, apple cider, or rice milk
1/2  cup  applesauce
1  tsp  cinnamon (optional)

Instructions

Mix the first five dry ingredients together. Add the wet ingredients and mix well. For best results, mix all ingredients in a blender.
 
Lightly grease your griddle and pour batter onto hot griddle. Cook pancakes until they are firm around the edges, and then flip them over, cooking an additional 1-2 minutes on other side. Remove from griddle.
 
This recipe works best with a very finely ground white rice flour.

For best flavour and texture use apple juice as the liquid.