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Title: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 27, 2013, 17:03:41 pm
Hello, we are starting our dairy challenge for my LO but not sure exactly if we are doing it right. The GI doc just wanted us to offer yogurt 1tb 1st day 2 tb 2nd day and so on. I wanted to go a little slower than that. So this is my plan let me know if it's too slow etc.

Day 1-3 Baked milk. I'm offering one meal with baked milk like pancakes or bread with milk in the ingredients. If I don't see any change in his sleep or poop (only 2 things that lead us to a milk allergy in the first place)
Day 4-6 Melted cheese like Chicken with cheese melted on top, or eggs, or pizza. If all goes well
Day 7-9 Yogurt (greek) If all goes well
Day 10-11 do a milk trial 1st bottle of the day he gets 8oz so Day 10-11 do 1oz milk 7oz formula Day
Day 12-13 do 2oz milk 6oz formula

and so on until we are on full milk? Is that too fast for the process to slow? Is that who to transition to full milk? Should I keep the bottles mixed for longer?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 28, 2013, 00:54:24 am
anyone?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on June 28, 2013, 02:15:04 am
Hi Siobhan,

Is there any risk of a true allergy? For my DS he had never had actual allergic reactions in the past but his GI still cautioned us to go slowly just in case of an allergic reaction.

So we did 1 ml first day, 5 ml second day, 15 ml third day, etc. We used milk-based formula but I guess you could use 3.25% milk if that is what you intend to use if it's a success?

I think it is more cautious since you control the quantity he takes in, whereas with the pancakes, if he eats a lot it could be a whole lot of dairy for an allergic LO? Also I'm not sure about this, but I think cooked milk can be tolerated better for MSPI LO's but it does not make a difference in the case of a true allergy whether it is cooked or not ???

I think if he does not react to the ml initially, then I would do your protocol and slowly introduce.  Although different types of dairy can cause different reactions so you may want to stick to one initially? For example my DS gets badly constipated on cheese but is fine on all other types of dairy.

HTH
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 28, 2013, 03:28:09 am
Good luck Hun. So he is allergic, not intolerant? I intolerant it could be possible to take longer to see any reaction YK?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Jimbob on June 28, 2013, 06:13:25 am
Some children who are allergic to milk can actually tolerate baked milk, which is why we are waiting for a date to do a baked milk challenge for my ds even though he had an ana reaction to fresh milk.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 28, 2013, 10:35:50 am
I guess I used the wrong terminology. As far as I know he's milk intolerant not allergic. Though I'm not sure the difference really? I guess he's never had an allergic reaction no. He was diagnosed as MSPI at 10 weeks of age along with reflux. We've almost weaned him off his refluxs meds but I'm keeping the last dose just to make sure it's not a reflux issue we see when doing the dairy challenge if that makes sense. The GI doc said if I did the yogurt challenge I should see a change in his stools around day 4 but I'm so hesitant to just jump right to yogurt iykwim.

I see what you are saying with the straight milk, my only concern is that it's like jumping into the deep end of the pool with no wading in first? If that makes sense. I'm not too concerned about the pancakes becuase he doesn't eat a lot. Maybe 1 small pancake if that and it's 3/4 cup of milk in the whole batch (10 pancakes). Not sure of the match but don't think that's too much?
Although different types of dairy can cause different reactions so you may want to stick to one initially?

This is kind of why I came up with my protocol? I don't think I'm comfortable starting with milk right away we just had such a bad time and still do with his eating that I'm just scared.

 
Some children who are allergic to milk can actually tolerate baked milk, which is why we are waiting for a date to do a baked milk challenge for my ds even though he had an ana reaction to fresh milk.
I've read some studies that introduction to bakes milk can actually help children get over their intolerance because it's introducing it very slowly at a basic form if that makes sense.

I haven't seen any change in his stools the past 3 days although he hasn't truly gotten more than a bit of baked milk at one meal. Should I just bite the bullet and try yogurt and skip the melted cheese part?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on June 28, 2013, 13:39:06 pm
((((Hugs)))) it's'so scary!!

It's'great that he has had no adverse reaction yet :)

Fx it continues to go well, keep us posted!
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 28, 2013, 15:50:02 pm
Thanks. I guess I'll do the cheese test tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on June 29, 2013, 01:37:47 am
IIWM hon I'd go slowly, as Sara said intolerances can be sneakier to show up. So I'd definitely go with the cheese first. And try to keep everything else stable otherwise I'd be driving myself crazy with questions about what food is causing any potential symptoms
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 29, 2013, 11:26:18 am
Ok. Yesterday was day 4 of baked milk and haven't seen a change in his stool so that's good. Still sleeping ok no wakings in the night or anything from pain. One more day of baked milk and then tomorrow I thought we'd try cheese. I hear Parmesan is a good place to start because the proteins are broken down more than other cheese. Thought I'd put it in his eggs.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Canadian_Mom on June 30, 2013, 18:48:26 pm
Just hopping on board to give you some good vibes for the dairy challenge~~~~ (Also, so jealous that it is going well so far, lol!!!)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on June 30, 2013, 22:07:45 pm
well, we tried cheese today. Not sure how well it went. This morning he did not want the eggs mixed with cheese. So this afternoon I offered a little bit of the cheese from my pizza. He liked it a lot. However his poop today was not normal. It looked off and it wasn't the normal playdough consistency. He also has red around his bum as if he's getting diaper rash. He hasn't had diaper rash since he was 10 weeks old. I have not introduce any other foods I don't think that could cause diaper rash other than raspberries but he's been eating those for a few weeks now.we'll see over the next few days how it goes on cheese.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 01, 2013, 00:58:53 am
(((hugs)))

IIWM, I would definitely keep on going, I do notice sometimes small reactions like that for M when I introduce something completely new.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 01, 2013, 01:48:21 am
Thanks.  Its the butt rash that worries me. Will try a little more cheese tomorrow. Can you  suggest a good cheesw? He did not like parmesan.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 01, 2013, 13:17:36 pm
We usually go with cheddar. It took a long time before M accepted cheese, but now he loves it so much I have to restrict it bc it constipates him!

How's'the rash today?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 01, 2013, 13:49:54 pm
No rash this morning I think he was a bit constipated so that could have caused it. Poop was more normal this morning and he went twice already.  Guess the prunes yesterday worked.  :) offere d pumpkin pancakes this morning and a few goldfish for a snack. Could not find organic cheddar but ssh is find american cheese which is a little mOre mild so we'll try that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 01, 2013, 17:22:33 pm
Yay for no rash and normal poops ;D FX for today.

Has he had wheat yet? just asking because it can also be hard initially on their little systems, if he's not used to it (in the goldfish)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 01, 2013, 17:38:19 pm
Yeah he's been eating bread for a while now. I only gave him 5 or 6 of them and that's it for the day. Too much salt. He did like them though. :)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 01, 2013, 19:14:00 pm
He did like them though. 

never fails, doesn't it? ;) that's great hon, FX for today.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ZacsMumme on July 02, 2013, 08:12:21 am
Goldfish?

Great he is doing so well hun
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Buntybear on July 02, 2013, 11:15:52 am
So pleased things are looking good so far x
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 02, 2013, 11:55:20 am
Goldfish?

Sara they are cheese crackers shaped as goldfish, kiddos love them

http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/productlanding.aspx?catid=722
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 02, 2013, 12:29:11 pm
^ thanks was just gonna do that. :)

Today we tried broccoli bites. broccoli with cheddar cheese and rice breadcrumbs with egg baked in. Kind of like Broccoli meatballs. :) he ate 1 this morning so we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 07, 2013, 11:09:12 am
ok things aren't going so well. I am not sure if these are related things or not. On July 4 he came down with a 103 temperature I've been treating it now for 4 days. This morning its 99.8 which I think is pretty normal for the summer. So I'm not going to give him any fever medication. However the last two nights he has woken up with severe gas pain. We are on vacation so we are not home right now. I am Not sure if this is contributing to the constipation and gas or not. However we have moved on to some cheese but mostly it's still pretty baked milk in the past couple days. He hasn't been having a lot maybe a slice of bread store bought bread. His poops are not the normal playdoh consistency and he is only going once a day rather than 3. I am a little concerned. Should I stop all milk till we get home? Not sure if he's constipated or blocked or is dehydrated.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ZacsMumme on July 07, 2013, 21:28:57 pm
Hugs. I'm not sure what I'd do tbh :( but wanted to post with hugs to you both! Is there may harm n stopping for now, then starting again once things Settle?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 07, 2013, 23:38:27 pm
(((hugs)))

Maybe he caught a virus or a bug that causes this?? Hard to tell...

Cheese constipates M, even in very small amounts :( He can do ok with lots and lots of water though, maybe increase his fluid consumption if you can?

I'm not sure what I'd do either, but being on vacation I think I may stop it all and just enjoy the vacation and start later, but obviously it's a personal decision...
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 08, 2013, 15:27:19 pm
The only issue with stopping is when we go to rest his poop in a week the blood if there is any may be gone because we stopped the trial? He seems to be doing better today. Pooped 2 times already. 1st wasn't great but the 2nd consisrwnxxy was much better. Maybe it was a virus or something. He is also teethinf lik crazy. The bottom teeth seem to bother him so much more than the top.

We are here for 3 more days so hopefully he'll geel better soon. Hes really enjoying the beach.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 08, 2013, 16:10:44 pm
Then I'd continue hon... so long as he's doing ok and you are too, keep on with the trial at least with the testing you'll know.

If constipation is the issue, maybe stick to baked milk and avoid cheese, just in case?

Glad he's doing better today and that he's enjoying the beach :)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 08, 2013, 17:37:30 pm
Thanks. We stopped all cheese when he got sick July 4. Doing only baked milk in breads and egg dishes so we'll see. Thanks so much for your advice. Hopefully things get back on track. Would really love for him to get off this formula. Maybe try cheese again when we get back. Trg ing to get lots of water into him. How much water does he need a day do you think? On a general basis.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 08, 2013, 17:46:34 pm
I'm not sure M is a good 'example' because he seems to need LOTS of water... He gets 4 oz AM + 4 oz PM + 2 x 3 oz of broth (bf lunch and dinner) in addition to his milk! But I have found that giving him this much water really helps him to not be constipated. I'm starting to make it into diluted juice to help as well currently I use 1 oz white grape juice and 3-4 oz of water.

But as I said it may  not be 'standard' but I find that in hot weather he is really cranky if he doesn't get as much water... But I asked his Dr today and she said it was not too much and to keep up with it if it is what he needs!
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 09, 2013, 13:39:04 pm
Thanks. Its hard to tell how much he's drinking as the sippy cups don't have meausrments. But I offer water all the time its always available for him to grab when he wants it. His poop seems back to normal went twice yesterday but nothing in the afternoon. He has been waking up once each night not sure why. Most times a quick pat and he's back off. Last night he woke at 1:50 and was throwing himself around the crib crying. Even when I picked him up he was crying and thrashing. Finally got him calmed down and patted back to sleep. Not sure what it was about. Pain maybe? Gave him tylenol and he slept till 6:10.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Buntybear on July 09, 2013, 14:57:57 pm
Hiya, things like going on holiday always throws things out of sorts a bit when doing trials etc! Keep up with the liquids, as pp says hard to say what is normal water intake. Olly drinks lots so I don't worry about him and don't watch how much he has. I know other LOs just don't need so much. Can you try ice lollies too? Assume it is hot at the beach?!
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 10, 2013, 10:44:15 am
Oh gosh we are only at the beach for an hour he gets bored lol. Is he old enoigh for ice pops? If so then I can try those. I always offer the aippy or water straight from the cup..
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Buntybear on July 10, 2013, 16:52:46 pm
Sorry forgot he is only a year  :P. You could make ice lollies from juice if worried about the sugar in shop bought ones?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 10, 2013, 17:05:13 pm
I meant more do you think he can handle them I.e. not biting off to big a piece? :)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Canadian_Mom on July 11, 2013, 01:41:35 am
I have made some homemade coconut milk and frozen berries popsicles (pop it all in the blender then freeze) which DS1 and 2 love.  For DS2 I froze them in ice cubes trays instead and then pop them in one of those baby mesh feeder things (I figured it was just easier for him to hold that way).  He could probably handle a regular one, but very little mess this way!  As well DS2 has had a couple of freezies, complements of MIL ::), which he very quickly gobbled up no choking involved, so I would give ice pops a try with your DS as they are about the same age!

Read your post about fluid intake.  For DS2 he drinks two 9oz bottles of formula and then 2-4oz of water or "alternative" milk total (whatever I decide to randomly put in his cup...) through out the day.  So that would make roughly 20-24oz/day, though all LOs vary with this!
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 12, 2013, 12:04:29 pm
I would love that recipe thanks so much.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Buntybear on July 12, 2013, 22:19:40 pm
Yum that does sound good  :)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Canadian_Mom on July 18, 2013, 15:02:10 pm
So to keep you in suspense about the recipe, but there is none (I never though I would ever say that!!). All I put in it was frozen berries and coconut milk, I think equal parts of both?  I made it just a little thinner than I would like my smoothies and that was it! I had a taste test (ok...I had a cup full) and added a little more berries and it was too coconuttie for my tastes. So I guess it is just like a frozen smoothie maybe??
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 18, 2013, 15:35:42 pm
Thanks. So we tried cheese, made him horrible constipated. Then we tried yogurt and his poop was like pudding and was definitely affecting his tummy as his naps went to pot and I could tell he was uncomfortable. So back to sq 1 I guess?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 18, 2013, 15:40:06 pm
Is he still doing ok with baked milk?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 18, 2013, 15:47:50 pm
He seems to be it's hard to tell. I stopped all dairy and will start adding it back in today. I was trying to think of things he could have with baked milk besides a loaf of bread?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Canadian_Mom on July 18, 2013, 15:52:57 pm
Really hope baked milk is still ok, as that makes things at least a little easier! Maybe try tortillas? Muffins?

If you are looking for alternatives to the expensive formula (we never had coverage so have always had to pay for it :P, thank goodness I saved up a little nest egg for when I was on mat leave!) I had a post going a little further down asking people what they chose to do for their LOs once they turned one if you want to take a look at it!  I decided to stick with trying to give about 14 oz/day of formula (slowly decreasing to that) for now just for less stress about what he is eating, and doing rice/coconut milk through out the day.  Though it might be a little less than that as we deop the morning bottle. Also thought I would mention to you that had him weight today and he hasn't really gained any weight in the last 3 months, though he eats just fine. I know that you were stressing about your DS's weight and thought I would let you know that he seems normal ;)
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: ENMS on July 18, 2013, 16:50:14 pm
Does he eat pasta? You could add a little bit of milk to a tomate sauce to make it a rosé sauce? Muffins are a great idea too like Nadia said. It could be chicken or fish cooked in a sauce with some milk.

Don't be discouraged... M gets constipated on cheese but he tolerates dairy just fine. Which yogurt did you try? I would go for a high-fat content, very natural type of yogurt. You could also try goat's milk yogurt if you're not sure about cow's milk? I've just transitionned M to goat's milk recently. It is supposed to be easier to digest although lots of LO's who react to cow's milk will also react to goat's milk.
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Buntybear on July 18, 2013, 17:35:33 pm
I can try and copy you what our hospital gave us to reintroduce milk?

Step 1 was hidden milk so in biscuits etc.
Step 2 was cooked milk ie it had been in the oven for 30 mins or more. Lasagne, cauliflower cheese, cottage pie etc

Try to stick with those 2 first?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 20, 2013, 17:00:21 pm
Thanks we are going to try biscuits next. He's good with pancakes and bread so far.  As for the yogurt we tried greek yogurt as that's what we had in the house and he liked it. But his poop is finally back to normal so I know it was the yogurt. :/.. We'll keep trying. Next we were told to try cottage cheese so that's what we'll try plus the baked milk he's already seemingly doing ok with.

I did buy almond milk because we really can't afford the formula anymore. at 325 for 6 cans on one income now it's just not feasible. We dug deep for the 1st year but we've just got to stop it now. So I might try introducing that next. He's ok on peanut butter so I think he'll be ok. Any idea how to introduce it? Maybe use it baked like regular milk or just offer it in a sippy cup?
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Canadian_Mom on July 23, 2013, 03:08:08 am
I would just give the almond milk to him in a sippy cup. He seems to have no other issues other than milk and soy right? Have you trialled any soy recently? I would definitely prefer soy milk over the others as it has at least the calcium and the protein, but soy is definitely still a no for us over here :P I hear you on the expensive formula!! No way we could do it on one income!!

Boo to the yogurt not working :(
Title: Re: Dairy Challenge
Post by: Skadiver13 on July 23, 2013, 11:45:55 am
We haven't trialed soy yet. We have an apt on the 29th with the GI, I'm going to ask for a referral to a Dietician just to make sure I'm covering all his basis. He's such a picky eater. Not in what he'll eat (although he still wont eat meat) but in how much. He eats about a 1/3rd of what is suggested no matter how, when, or in what I give it to him.

Hopefully cottage cheese will go over better since it's high in good fats. :) Fingers crossed. But baked milk seems to be doing just fine. Did night 3 of no reflux meds so far so good so will have to wait a bit on the cottage cheese trial.