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EAT => Food Allergies => Topic started by: roseola on September 25, 2013, 00:54:57 am
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I'm eliminating dairy because DD has serious wind! Nothing really else.
I am a big cereal, cream in my coffee, cheese and ice cream eater. Which of course I will eliminate, and we eat dairy free bread, but will things like breadcrumbs, that say contain milk, negate the effect of eliminating major sources of dairy?
I might starve! ;) ;) ;)
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When I went dairy free I did everything including trace amounts. Totally not what you were asking but I know I found breadcrumbs that were supprisingly dairy (and soy) free. Maybe it was the progresso panko ones?
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Thanks! I've used those before.
Did you eliminate dairy for wind or something more severe?
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I would eliminate it all to make completely sure and then after a time try those really hidden ones again. That is my plan anyways! Oh and it is also in a lot of processed meats too...sandwich meat, hotdogs etc. DD2 is dairy free so I already have it mostly down pat.
Both of the older girls were/are mpi so not too surprising if that is the case again!
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And does it really only take a few day (3-4) to see an improvement?
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Up to 3 weeks :o ;) BUT most people see an improvement at least aft a few days to a week :-*
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Yeah it can take awhile! I dont eat a lot of dairy and so for us it was about a week as I just had to find an alternate for my coffee cream and restrain myself from eating cheese!
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I haven't done elimination but just wanted to say that home made bread crumbs are easy if you have a whizzer. You can also freeze them and use them from frozen.
If you find a dairy free cracker you can whizz those and use a crunchy coating alternative to breadcrumbs, very tasty, I save up all the broken crackers in a tub for making into crumb.
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Thanks creations!
My DD's only sign of MPI is wind, is this typical for LOs with MPI or do they usually have more symptoms?
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Do you guys know the mechanism of this disease, as in what is happening that takes a few days - 3 weeks to see improvement? Does it take that long for my body to clear dairy, or is the process in the gut of the LO?
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Both..it takes time to clear your body and theirs. For us it was wind, nasty spit up/vomit, and mucousy diapers for M but S had severe constipation. Hadnt gotten to the nasty poop yet with E but possibly because I was on top of eliminating or she isnt as sensitive as her sisters were.
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Just popping on to say good luck with the ED, they can be tough xxx
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I use Helman's Lite mayo, and it says Natural flavoring, would you use it?
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Thanks Buntybear!
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Dairy is one of the top allergens so if it is in a food product it has to be on the label in plain english (I believe US rules are quite similar to ours on this) so the mayo should be fine. I dont think I have encountered mayo with dairy ever.
Oh if you want a comprhensive list check http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org they have lists of things to look out for for each allergen. If I find the dairy one later I can link it specifically.
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Oh honestly, what is natural flavouring supposed to mean ::) it is only eggs and oil surely??
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It could be anything (that isnt a top allergen anyways) and is proprietary. Gotta love that! Peanuts, tree nuts, eggs, dairy, seafood, sulphites, soy, wheat, mustard, sesame that I can think of! In no particular order.
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Helmans mayo here in the UK has cream powder in. I buy supermarket own brand. I've been dairy free since February as DS2 is MPI. I started by eliminating ALL dairy but now we eat bread with whey and some things with trace dairy and he is fine. Luckily I can eat goats cheese too now :)
It's tough but worth it :)
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Just had to check the mayo out as I didn't know that, yes the light version does!
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Okay, no more light mayo for me...
Peanuts, tree nuts, eggs, dairy, seafood, sulphites, soy, wheat, mustard, sesame
These are top allergens so they can't be natural flavoring??
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Okay, no more light mayo for me...
Peanuts, tree nuts, eggs, dairy, seafood, sulphites, soy, wheat, mustard, sesame
These are top allergens so they can't be natural flavoring??
I cant speak to US laws but here if a top allergen is in a product it must be stated plainly on the label not just as "flavouring". As in at the end of the ingredients in bold it would say "contains milk" or "contains dairy".
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^^ same here. Is either in bold, or *ed or must stare it has these products in it or traces of.
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Sorry I haven't been on in a few days. I eliminated for reflux (both) and then again when G was older to see if it help with ear infections/fluid. Both my boys were gassy. I don't remember seeing a change in that without dairy, but since I wasn't doing it for gas maybe I just didn't notice :-\
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So I'm a week in a really no change, if anything the gas is getting worse!
She didn't poop for 5.5 days, the longest she went b/f the elimination was 2-3 days. I gave a tiny bit of prune juice and water and she had 3 in one day, so she was full poor darling!
I think we had/are in a growth spurt, not sure if this could be related to not pooping.
I less convinced the gas is from intolerance, but I'm thinking to eliminate soy now too....if I thought milk was in everything, soy is in EVERYTHING!
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Oh yeah...so glad I havent done soy yet. You know, besides the whole wind thing, I thought it was normal for ebf babies not to poop as often as they are digesting so much of the milk. E doesnt poop frequently either but I mixed fed my older two so have no idea what normal is.
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Yeah...soy is in EVERYTHING. I did it for like 3 days along with wheat then blubbered on the phone to the dr for a neocate trial - and gave up. T was a new baby on it. But then he had a lot of issues and I think no matter what I did he just couldn't drink my milk :(
Hugs hun
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It's normal and okay for EBF babies not to poop often, but it just can't be comfortable! I spoke to ped. who said I could give 1-2 oz of water/prune juice mixed. I gave about 1oz for 2 days, because nothing happened the 1st day, and the 2nd day she had 2 large and 1 small poos.
I'm doubting this gas in from intolerance, but It's worth a shot. Also being dairy free is keeping me on a diet, no cheese, butter, ice cream, etc, I just won't cheat because it will reset everything and this "diet" is for DD not for me, so it's working better!
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Oh NO! I had a small piece of chicken cutlet in my husbands red sauce and I didn't realize he puts parmigiana cheese in the sauce! What now?
Does the 3-4 week clock start over?
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I think you will be OK with a tiny bit x
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I was hoping you would say that! ;) ;) ;)
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I probably should have thought of this sooner, but I take a ton of psyllilum husk to make sure I'm regular. I had bad constipation during pregnancy and a nightmare hemorrhoid (TMI!) flare up post-partum this time around.
I'm going to stop taking it for a few days and see if that helps DD's wind.
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Well it would interesting if that was the cause! I guess it would make some kind of sense though!
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So I've been off dairy for >2 weeks, and off soy and my psyllium capsules for just a few days, but I actually think things are getting worse. What I can say is I've definitely been eating a ton of wheat.
Also since I've gone dairy free DD poos have become much less frequent. After almost 6 days I gave prune juice/water mix and she had 3 large poos, then 2 more a few days later, but right now we are on day 6 again and the prune juice is not working.
Breastfed babies can even go 10 day w/o poos and things be okay medically, but it just makes sense to me that not pooing has to be uncomfortable, so I'm wondering if eliminating dairy can actually cause constipation? Any BTDT?
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If things are that much worse and you have been consuming a lot of gluten I wonder if it is worth it to try gf for a bit? That one would not be easy for me though!
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If things are that much worse and you have been consuming a lot of gluten I wonder if it is worth it to try gf for a bit? That one would not be easy for me though!
I agree....
Hugs lovely
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So I have been wheat (not just gluten) free for about 2.5 days and am seeing a real difference. I still skeptical to say for 100%, but my gut tells me this is working. The thing is I also stopped the psyllium just before I stopped wheat so not sure what did it.
I am planning to re-introduce dairy and soy, but I'm nervous!!
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I wouldn't reintroduce soy and milk (or one or the other) till your LO has been symptom free a few weeks. Then I would try reintroducing just one - and waiting 2 weeks. Intolerances take time to expose themselves sometimes YK?
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So pleased you are seeing an improvement!!
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That is great that you are seeing an improvement! I agree with Sara though about waiting a bit and doing dairy and soy separately. They could all be an issue and it would be hard to tell if you jumped right back in. I'm trying to puzzle out something here too as E has had a day and a half of incredible fussiness but I cant figure it out.
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I will definitely wait per your advice as you guys really know your stuff! But could you explain why and what you mean by this:
Intolerances take time to expose themselves
And I'm not as sure as I was before that it's wheat, last night she had an episode of terrible gas. And they only things I ate yesterday were rice cereal w/ banana & almond milk, coffee w/ almond milk, peanut butter jelly on rye, a pickle, and french fries (white potato) from a restaurant.
TIA!!!
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Gluten...rye has gluten. Have you been eating rye all along? Plus the fries...some restaurant fries have wheat &/or dairy. Plus nuts are a common allergen, though I would suspect the other things first!
And as for intolerances over time...usually an allergic rxn will present right away or withn an hour or two but an intolerance can build up in your system so they seem fine for awhile and then suddenly it all goes pear shaped. If that makes any sense!
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No I just started eating rye since cutting out wheat, really? fries with wheat and dairy!! UGH!!
I ate rye already today, but won't have fries or peanut butter, so I'll start there.
I get that intolerance can build up, but Im still not clear why I should keep dairy out while I cut out wheat if I didn't see any difference after a few weeks of dairy free.
I was only soy free for about 1 week when I eliminated wheat.
This is so tough! Hugs to all you guys who have been doing it for so long!
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I would leave out the dairy and soy so that you can tell for sure what is causing issues. Once you get to where you think it is "normal"you can then add them in one at a time over time and really know what is the offender.
Yup some fries do have wheat/dairy...but not all . Most restaurants have allergen/ingredient info on their websites or I just phone and ask. We have our go to places we stick with mainly though!
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I get that intolerance can build up, but Im still not clear why I should keep dairy out while I cut out wheat if I didn't see any difference after a few weeks of dairy free.
Because your LO could be intolerant to both ;) ::) :P
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Please help! I've been off dairy, soy (not really sure exactly how long), egg for almost a month, truly off wheat and gluten for 3 days and DD gas has reached an all time maximum. Up every hour- 2 hours overnight in such pain. And so much odorless gas comes out. I am exhausted and feel terribly for her.
She also has had fever to 102.7 w crust eyes and funny nose for 2 days. DS has been sick. Taking DD to Ped. tomorrow.
Could all this gas be from something other than what I eat?
Would a trial of formula help parse it out?I could/would pump the whole time. And maybe go on a diet of just rice and turkey like Heidi mentioned, but give everyone a break until it kicked in, and reintroduce BM if the formula shows improvement and after I have cleared my system of everything.
I am losing it!!!!
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Hugs Nini, I think it sounds like she is getting sick Hun. :-\ maybe a virus or something? Get her ears checked, a virus or infection could cause discomfort and increased gas. :-*
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I also drink 1-2 cups of coffee a day, but get very serious migraines if I try to wean, and I'm exhausted so I need it!
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Honestly Hun, I think if you have eliminated all the main stuff and she is still unwell then it's worth either getting a dietitian on board if you want to keep bf, or asking your dr/ped for a trial of something lie, neocate, and you can pump. Some LOs just can't tolerate much at all (like my T he was terrible!)
I couldn't give up coffee either :-*
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After I posted I was readng around and it said in a few differnt places that it can get worse before it gets better, could that be what's happening?
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Aw huge (((hugs))) Nini....I hope the dr tomorrow can help! Do you think the gas could be sickness related? If so I would wait a bit before going the formula route and see.
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She has bilateral "really red" ears, but her tympanic membranes aren;t bulging, so we are holding off on Abx. She slept better last night than she has been.
The Ped. thought a trial of an elemental formula was a good idea but recommended waiting until this illness has completely past.
Did I hear that advice some where before??? ;) ;) ;)
And I just found out that beer has gluten. I was having one beer occasionally at night after DD's BT time feed!
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Yup beer does! I hate beer so never even thought to mention it! Hope she is feeling better...ear pain is no fun!
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So I have been dairy, soy, and egg free for almost a month, wheat and gluten free for almost a week. She is over her really sickness, now with a runny nose and cough. I would like to start the process, or a least the plan, of re-introducing foods. Her gas has def. improved as of the last couple of days. Is there a specific way I should do it?
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Hmmm which did you elim first? I have no intention of adding things back in for now, I am a chicken! So far I have cut dairy, soy (but not hidden), and beef and things are good but hard to tell now as she had her vax and is cranky but who knows what from??
I would be tempted to go all out and drink a small glass of milk as an example to see what rxn happens as then you know.
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I would be tempted to go all out and drink a small glass of milk as an example to see what rxn happens as then you know.
I almost did just that this morning!
I eliminated in this order: dairy, soy, egg, wheat and gluten
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I would intro back in the same order but really space it out so you can be sure what is what. Hopefully only one or two of those is the issue!!
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I 'think' but correct me if I'm wrong Heidi that the top 3 intolerant foods for infants are milk, soy, wheat/gluten in that order. So I'd probably personally try to reintroduce eggs first. Plus eggs are such a versatile of old YK? Would mean you can have a lot more... :-\
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Yup that is true, egg is the least likely suspect statistically speaking. Did you cut dairy/soy/egg all at once or gradually? I was thinking whichever has been longest to do first and for sure leave off gluten for longest as it is a recent cut.
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I did Milk, then soy, and then egg on a day when I had egg salad and thought maybe it's that.
Okay egg for breakfast tomorrow...I will miss cheese for sure!
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Oh I know....I dont normally eat much dairy but I miss cheese!
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Yeah I missed cheese the most too :-*
Good luck Hun.
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Hope it goes well...I was even dreaming of dairy last night, had a yogurt in my dream. I dont even like yogurt much!
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Had an egg this morning sans cheese. Wo hoo!
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Fingers crossed xx
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Hello!
I have been eating egg without worsening of her gas for about 2 weeks so I am re-introducing dairy today. I had cream in my 2 cups of decaf this morning, and I like coffee light so probably about 3 oz. total.
I hope that was okay??
When reintroducing do you go slow? With egg it was easy because I would never eat more than one egg a day, but I eat dairy (soy, wheat & gluten) a lot on my normal diet.
I saw the ped. yesterday who is not convinced this is intolerance. We discussed starting solids and she said that their is evidence that kids who eat gluten starting b/w 4-6 months have a lower risk of having celiac dz.....have you guys heard this before?
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I have found all drs have different opinions on solids, and foods like dairy and wheat. The research I have done shows it's inconclusive really ... Personally I am not sure I would take that advice as gospel YK?
Fx dairy reintro goes well
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Would you go slow with re-introducing dairy or just go all in?
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Sorry, I don't know :-\ T Is on neocate. Hopefully someone elsem ya have an idea?
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Hi, her only symptoms were wind right? So I would just go for it. She might need a lot to get the wind going YK ::) What a subject! If you go slow then it might take ages for the reaction to build up for you to notice and then it gets confusing.
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I'm glad you said that because that's what I'm doing :-*
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Yes, her symptoms were wind, and eczema in the fold on her thighs and behind her knees. The wind seemed to improve after I had eliminated dairy, soy, wheat and gluten.
The eczema never improved.
I did NOT notice improvement of wind with just the elimination of dairy and soy.
Day 1 of dairy re-inroduction I had ~3oz of cream, a vanilla milk shake ;D, and finished my sons halloween chocolate :o (only the wheat/gluten free ones). She had zero painful wind overnight.
Day 2 of dairy re-introdcution I had 1 oz of cream, ice cream twice and one slice of cheese. She had (1) 45 min long episode of painful wind in the middle of the night. She would not even BF during it, and tons of wind came out.
What do you think? I was thinking of keeping dairy for at least another day to make sure it's not a coincidence?
ps. can you tell I like ice cream? ;) ;) ;)
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I would try one more day just to see. I did a whoops with dairy yesterday and sure enough pukey foul spit ups today!
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How did it go Nini? Our accidental trial was not too bad...spit ups and gassy but not like before but I think I will stick with df for a while longer and try again when she is 4-5 months.
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Just normal gas, nothing painful. Yay! I didn't have any ice cream though, but I had milk in my cereal and some cream in my coffee. I think I'll keep having dairy and see how it goes.
So glad it didn't end up too bad for E!!
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Good that she seems to tolerate some dairy then ;D
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That sounds promising Nini!