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Title: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 09, 2014, 07:53:56 am
Ok so it looks like my boys (J in particular) have issues with certain foods.

They are already dairy and soy free and have reflux.

I've identified - tomatoes, apples, pears, (I avoid any sort of citrus anyway due to the reflux) I'm thinking now strawberries too.

Which foods have your los had trouble with and any advice most welcome!

I'm fairly happy to stick with a couple of different meals a week that I know they can have rather than keep trying different stuff.  DS1 had issues with certain foods for a while but grew out of them.

TIA
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Mashi on June 09, 2014, 09:05:10 am
No strawberries for DS until after about 13/14mo. Before that he broke out in a rash on his face, even w/ strawberry jam.

Apples gave him screaming tummy aches until about the same age and now and again they still do, depending on the variety of apple - but I am the same. I can only eat some apples not all types.

Pears were okay but not the skins.  To fibrous for his tummy to handle.   Citrus flew right through him - he'd still be working on eating the 2nd or 3rd section of an orange when the first one was coming out the other end ::)

But, I will be honest and say that at 8.5 months old I had not tried most of those foods with him.  And your boys were a few weeks early, so their digestive system is even younger...if they are only by EDD 7.5mo then by that stage my DS had only tried about 6 different foods at the very most.   My approach was in following my belief that the digestive system needs to be introduced slowly and have loads of time to handle certain foods, some are easier to break down than others.  We followed a schedule that plotted out which foods to introduce at which age - strawberries and citrus were not even suggested until closer to 12 months old as most babies can not handle them until that point.   Vegetables like brocolli and cauliflower and beans were closer to 10 months, etc.  I can't remember the website - wholesome baby food? maybe.  But at this age I would expect that a LOT of foods would give them upset tummies.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 09, 2014, 09:36:18 am
My boys were born at 38 weeks so not too early.  However thanks for sharing Mashi, I'm in agreement with you (and tbh annoyed with myself ::) for listening to the new stupid rules here which say babies can have anything and everything after 6mths other than whole nuts and honey and that is what is recommended)  I never started DS on strawberries until after a year.

I only mention citrus cos they're having a lot of premade food (I don't have time!) and lots of it has lemon juice and things in.

Where would you class peaches??
I am more than happy to stick to safe foods until over a year, I just kind of need to know what they are iyswim?

I'll google that website now.  Thanks :-*  ***ETA that website has a chart of foods and when to introduce***
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: <Catherine> on June 09, 2014, 09:43:09 am
Ben is CMPI, so other than dairy, I *think* he reacted to peaches, he appeared to be in terrible pain all night following and that was the only different thing he'd had. I havent given him peach since just in case.

He had strawberries for the first time yesterday afternoon, no issue at all at the time but had hives on his face this morning (he has never had hives before, he usually gets stomach pains, loose BMs and eczema on his face), the strawberries were the only 'new' thing he's had but it seemed a long time afterwards to be reacting to it to me, but I may be wrong. So strawberries possibly an issue here.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 09, 2014, 10:01:12 am
Hey love, good to see you here on FA.

So Ts big bad no nos before 12-15 mths were. Dairy, soy, wheat (huge bad one possibly his worst), so e high fructose foods ie pear, apples (ok now at 19 mths), beef (very hard to digest), spinach (also hard to digest) too much sugar. Strawberries gave him a rash. We avoided seafood, eggs and nuts till 15 mths too.

So the good foods. We had to go back to almost nothing at 8 mths, and healed his gut with supplements ie probiotics, zinc, iron (bloods showed v low iron), Iberogast etc. homemade chicken broth and pumpkin were safe.
Then....
Meats and fish: lean lamb followed by chicken. Then later pate, salmon, small fish ie mackerel, sardines
Veges: leafy greens like bok choy, kale, aisan cabbage, lettuce cut up v small. Carrots, potatos, sweet potato, beets.
Fruit: blueberries, raspberries, bananas initially
All legumes
Coconut or olive oil, tinned tomatoes are fine, garlic, ginger, spices and herbs ok.
We have GF,DF, soy free bread. t has eggs now and he's on neocate still I've started to mix with almond milk.

((((((((Hugs)))))))))
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Buntybear on June 09, 2014, 10:20:32 am
Hi, I know a lot of LOs can react to tomatoes and strawberries. Think my nephew reacted to them and he had reflux so could be a link? I think it is the acid in them as you say.

If they react to apples and pears (do they get windy?) then it could be the fructose in them- google 'fructose malabsorption' and see what foods are high- melon, grapes, mango were no nos here too. This one is hard as many baby foods are full of apple puree. It seems to be a base that they had the other fruits too.  ::)

Things like banana, sw pot, squash can make some babies bunged up. :-X
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 10, 2014, 08:26:53 am
We had to go back to almost nothing at 8 mths,
I think I'm pretty much going to do this - just give them foods which I know they've been ok with and just ride it out for a few weeks...

So if I stick with the following foods do you think they are "ok"?

Bfast - banana porridge made with neocate
Dinner - chicken / sweet potato / carrots / parsnips / peas
Fruit - banana / mango / raspberries

And I'll just have to do a bulk load of cooking and feeze and just give it to them everyday and see what happens.  Can I freeze that fruit if I puree it?

What do you think to that plan as a starting point?
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 10, 2014, 09:17:29 am
That looks good. My only thought is could the porridge be a problem if gluten is an issue. t seems tolerate oats but he never had them till over 1 he also doesn't have them often :-\

I'd be tempted to offer lamb if your wanting something for the iron as it's an incredibly lean, well tolerated food that is easy to digest and a low allergen.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 10, 2014, 09:20:47 am
I'd be tempted to offer lamb if your wanting something for the iron as it's an incredibly lean, well tolerated food that is easy to digest and a low allergen.
Ok I'll get some lamb... it's just so expensive here and takes forever to cooK!

They had the porridge from day one and tbh it doesn't seem to be an issue.  I will try the above and if things are still bad I can cut out the porridge.  They don't have bread or anything like that due to milk and soy being in EVERYTHING!!
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 10, 2014, 09:24:57 am
I used to buy a wee bit of lean lamb. Freeze it. Grate it from frozen into a dish or meal and then cook or microwave. ;) you only need a wee bit. OR get some lamb bones and just make broth and add to the veges :D

Ugh yeah breads fun. We have some good ones here though that are everything free :) expensy though.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 10, 2014, 09:25:54 am
Had a thought.. I could buy lean lamb mince???
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 10, 2014, 09:28:27 am
Yes! You could make little patties with some oats and grated carrot too...you may need a binder though :-\ bit of pumpkin purée?
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 10, 2014, 09:30:59 am
You could make little patties with some oats and grated carrot too
I could.... when I have a spare 5mins ;)

It'll all be cooked and thrown in together then blended.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: <Catherine> on June 10, 2014, 09:33:16 am
Things like banana, sw pot, squash can make some babies bunged up.
Sorry to hijack, but what about strawberries? I suspect Ben may have reacted to strawberries he had on Sunday (not certain though) and yesterday he was constipated - unusual for him and strawberries were the only new thing he'd had. I would have thought strawberries would have the opposite effect but could it be down to them?
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 10, 2014, 09:35:05 am
I guess if they react to a food then they could get any gastro symptom I would've thought ??? different children react in different ways.  I def think strawberries are an issue here...
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 10, 2014, 09:39:04 am
Mmmm we had the typical reactions here for strawberries. t usually has intolerance issues but with strawberries he got a rash and a bit puffy. http://www.livestrong.com/article/543876-the-signs-of-a-strawberry-allergy-in-a-baby/

Strawberries give me the runs and sore Tum if I have too many ::) (yes I am a pig and eat them by the dozen)
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Buntybear on June 10, 2014, 13:17:01 pm
Strawberries causing constipation is not something I have come across but of course anything goes  ::)
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Mashi on June 10, 2014, 16:45:31 pm
My boys were born at 38 weeks so not too early.  However thanks for sharing Mashi, I'm in agreement with you (and tbh annoyed with myself ::) for listening to the new stupid rules here which say babies can have anything and everything after 6mths other than whole nuts and honey and that is what is recommended)  I never started DS on strawberries until after a year.

Laura that was also the recommendation when DS was born - though I know that with HVs things can vary by region from region and there is no consistency --- even from one to another across the road really ::) But we were also told that from 6 months, just get it in there, just no honey.  Even the dietician at the hospital who we were sent to for feeding advice when he was diagnosed with MSPI was utterly useless.  Shockingly useless.  She just said "Oh, so he's allergic to milk and soy.  So, you can't let him have anything with milk or soy in it...." and that was the extent of her advice! LOL!! I kept him gluten free as well until 12 months because my mother was a biopsy-confirmed celiac and I had read keeping GF can help the digetsive system build up stronger.  Anyway.  But I followed a slow introduction of foods, 3-day rule (5 days in many cases) and introduced foods in order that they are advised by age due to how easy they are for a baby to handle them.  Anyway, the dietician's advice, for my 6.5mo MSPI baby was "just give him whatever you're having - if you're off to the chippy tonight for your tea, then just cut him off a chunk of your fish and give him a handful of your chips, just try to find ones that don't have a lot of salt on them!"  ::) No bother at all if there was milk or soy in it, no bother on the nutrition quality, don't worry about starting first with F&V, just get to the chippy and get that meat&spud pie into his gob ::) ::)

Anyway, I would just not bother with what any current recommendations are on the topic, esp if you have two MSPI babies.  I'd go slowly and use that chart from wholesome baby food as a guideline. There were a few times when I strayed a bit, I mean it would say broccolli not until 10 months, and DS was maybe 9m1wk or something. But I really kept the guidelines in mind. 

I made all of my fruits and veggies and pureed them and then put them in the freezer. Totally okay to do that.  I baked most of my fruits - plums, peaches, apples, pears that were not soft, etc.  They were lovely. Once nicer weather came and fruits were more ripe and in season they were usually soft enough to give them to him without cooking them first. I took the frozen ones out in the morning and defrosted them for the day. I did this with veggies as well.   DS only had fruits and vegetables really until about 9-10 months and then I started in on fish (mostly salmon) and scrambled egg yolks and started giving him more of a "meal" rather than just a taste of something to eat.  We did chicken for an early meat as well as lean steak mince (we are not lamb eaters). 

My DS was a rash reaction in strawberries - all around his mouth and face in hives within a few minutes.  But, we tried again about 6 months later and he was fine. 
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 12, 2014, 08:05:07 am
Ok so chicken with parsnip, carrots and peas and babyrice is made waiting to go in the freezer.  DH couldn't get lamb mince the other day so I'll pick some up tomorrow and then do a similar recipe with lamb.

Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 12, 2014, 08:45:41 am
Sounds good. I found a big lamb shank also thrown in the slow cooker with some water, root veges and chickpeas ended up scrummy, meat falling off bone and veges tender for rough mashing or BLW.

Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Buntybear on June 12, 2014, 20:58:38 pm
Laura - can you bear doing a chicken stock? It can go in a slow cooker if you have one. It is SOOOOO good for babies tummies and a great source of calcium.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 12, 2014, 21:14:37 pm
Tell me what I need to do! Other than boil some bones or is that it?!
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Buntybear on June 12, 2014, 21:26:24 pm
Think it is just a matter of boiling bones to be honest. Start with cold water and skim off any scum. I would google bone broth and get a recipe if need one. I know most stocks are made with bones and veges but you might want to start simple as you are paring their diets right down. You will see how bone broth is raved about on line if you google it. I know some ladies on this board swear by it for their LOs with intolerances. x
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 13, 2014, 01:51:17 am
I swear by it :) if you can add a bit of apple cider vinegar to get the calcium out of the bones. ;)
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: MasynSpencerElliotte on June 13, 2014, 04:13:58 am
I swear by it :) if you can add a bit of apple cider vinegar to get the calcium out of the bones. ;)

Oh, so did not know that! Laura I make my own broth now (totally not my thing but with DD2 being gluten free I have had to get more into this cooking thing!) and I do it in the slow cooker (actually I cook a small chicken in there first and then toss the bones back in and cover with water and keep on low for a night. Easy peasy! E loves broth. So far she has been good with everything but the older two weren't - I remember tomatoes & citrus being an issue on top of mpi but time has made me forget if there was anything else.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 13, 2014, 06:03:18 am
  I do it in the slow cooker (actually I cook a small chicken in there first and then toss the bones back in and cover with water and keep on low for a night. Easy peasy!
same ;)

Yeah the acidic nature of the vinegar draws out all the minerals of the bones. They even go soft once the calcium is drawn out! I assume you could use most types but ACV is the safest gut wise for us.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: babybarr on June 16, 2014, 00:10:57 am
Anyone have issues with sweet potatoes?
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: ZacsMumme on June 16, 2014, 00:58:57 am
They used to constipate T. I 'think' they are high in fructose. :-\ T is fine on them now. Ty pumpkin or squash :-*
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: Buntybear on June 16, 2014, 14:37:56 pm
Same with Olly till he was about a year.
Title: Re: Common food sensitivities - what affected your LOs?
Post by: katyusha on June 27, 2014, 23:40:57 pm
On patties, my mum taught me to puree oats with a bit of water, salt and onions and then add that to the minced meat to make sure it all binds in the absence of egg or milk. Kids loved it!