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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Newbiemommy001 on August 03, 2014, 11:03:06 am
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My son just turned 8-months. He is an independent sleeper, STTN usually 11 hours, 2 naps of usually 1-1.5 hrs each. Just this week, he's started waking up between 5-5:30 rather than 6:30am. Our EASY the past few days is below:
5:30 wake (calm, sucking thumb)
E 6-6:30 bottle
A breakfast 8-8:30
S 9-10:30 (usually wakes up between 1-1.5 hours. If not, I cap nap at 1.5 hours)
E 10:30-11 bottle
A lunch 12-12:30
S 2-3:30 (usually takes 1-1.25 hr nap, rarely needs to be capped, will sometimes take 45 min nap)
E 3:30-4 bottle
A dinner 5-5:30
S bath at 6:30, bottle and bedtime usually between 7:15-7:30
So far, I've played around with his A time. He can last anywhere from 3.25-3.75 hours of A time. How do I get him back to his previous wake time of 6:30 am? Should I try to go for a later BT?
Thanks so much!
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I would push his first nap later and cap the second nap at 45 mins if you get a 1.5hr nap in the AM.
You could also try wake to sleep at 4.30am.
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Hi. Thanks so much for your reply. Our EASY yesterday went like this:
5:40 am wake up
E
A
S 9:45-11:45 (forgot to cap nap at 1.5 hours so I capped it at 2 hours)
E
A
S 3:45-4:30 (capped at 45 mins)
E
A
S in crib by 7:30, fell asleep at around 7:45, LO was whining while trying to fall asleep so I suspect he was OT
Woke up at 5:30 am again this morning. Sigh. I'll cap the first nap at 1.5 hours and the second nap at 45 mins. He was fussy when I woke him up after the second nap until bedtime. Did I give him too much A time between the first and second nap?
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I think a longer nap in the morning is ok. The advantage of having a shorter last nap is the last A time should be shorter. I think his middle and last A times are probably too long because his day is so long due to the EW. Have you ever tried an earlier bedtime?
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Our EASY today:
5:15-5:30 awake (very quiet and so not sure exactly what time he woke up)
E
A
S 9:20(tried to push this further but LO was really fussy)
Nap 1 9:20-11 (capped nap, LO could have probably slept longer)
E
A
S 2:15-3:20 (capped nap)
E
A
S asleep by 7:30 with minimal fuss
*we plan to wake to sleep at 4:30am
You're absolutely right it is such a long day for him. How early of a bedtime should I do? I'm afraid that he will wake up earlier than 5:30am if I gave him an earlier BT.
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Maybe try 7 to start?
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Sigh! Wake to sleep did not work. LO still woke up early. I only got to check around 5:40am so I'm not sure how early he woke up. We will try an earlier BT today. Is the reason behind the earlier BT to prevent OT so I can extend his first A time? Do I still cap the 1st nap at 1.5 hrs or can I extend it to 2? Also, do I still cap the 2nd nap to 45 mins or can I cap at 1hr in order to reach BT of 7pm? Sorry for all the questions! Thanks so much!
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I would let him sleep the 2hrs in the am if he will as long as you are pushing that nap later. I'd try to get it closer to 10 if you can but maybe do it slowly so he doesn't get too OT. The idea behind that is that he may be using that early first nap to catch up on lost night sleep and allowing that can encourage the early waking. I had to do similar with my DS2 around this age (maybe 9mo) and it really helped.
If you get a 1.5-2hr nap in the AM I would cap the PM nap to 45 mins. Mine would have wanted a full A time after a 1hr nap but after a 45 min one they would have done 3hrs rather than 3hr30-45.
The idea behind the earlier BT is to avoid him going down OT yes but also because if you get a longer night, even if he still wakes at 5.30, he will be more rested and better able to make that first nap later. While some LOs struggle to sleep later in the morning they will tack in at the beginning of the night with an earlier. BT. If you can get a longer night he may sleep less in the day and then you can start to push the whole day later 5-10 mins at a time to get a later wake up. I hope that makes sense.
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That makes a lot of sense. I will certainly try an earlier BT for a few days and try to extend his first A time. I remember having to do it before when LO dropped his catnap. Thanks so much!!!
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Fallowing a long.
My 7 1/2m old has UW, also at 5.30.
But in the past few days she also has at 12.00 and at 3.00. Plus most of the times she wakes up for the df.
Most of the time she is taking full feed (7oz) so Im giving more solids during and I was thinking maybe it was time to try for one nap or change around her naps, so Im going to try this.
We are already doing early BT 6.30-7 depending of how much time she slept during the day.
Ill push her morning nap as much as possible, cap it at 1.5h and cap the second one at 1 for now. If it doesnt work Ill try 45minutes.
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Check out this link on making the 2:1 transition to see what you have to look forward to. From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
It can take months to transition so they are probably a good while off one nap but some LOs with low sleep needs do make the move a little early. I think we capped the second nap around 9mo with ds2 but he stayed on those same naps (1.5hrs and 45 mins) until 15mo. He was alway low sleep needs.
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Nope, long way form 2-1 transition.
Ill look at the day backwards. So if bt is 7 she needs to get up from her last nap no later then 3.30-4, and am nap 3h after I pick her up from the crib, no matter when did she woke up.
She is teething also. I know that I should not be making big changes when something like teething happens but Im sure its also a routine issue.
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I guess LO does have low sleep needs. He dropped the catnap at about 6 months. So far today, I was able to push the first nap to 9:30 am instead of 9:15. He was pretty fussy and whined while trying to fall asleep. I'm capping this nap at 2 hours and the second nap at 45 mins. We plan to have a BT of 6:45-7pm. Hopefully tomorrow, I'll be able to push his first nap to 9:45-10am.
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Sounds like a plan :)
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Very bad nap day. 2 40minutes naps so by 4 she was v tiered. I put her down again, and caped the nap at 40 minutes. But she was so tiered she cried the rest of the time. A quick bath, bottle and in bed by 6. With a little fussing she fell a sleep 10mins letter.
I can imagine what kind of night is ahead of us. And EU is sure.
Newbie, my lo also dropped the catnap early, although I dont think she I can see that she needs her naps but I just cant figure them out. Im also trying to make the nap 9:45-10:00.
Fingers crossed for good nap day and no nw and uws
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Dache...good luck to both of us!!!
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hi Ladies!
I have similar problem of EMW with my 7.5mo lo. It started about 1m ago when I think his theething was waking him up. then it went ot a habit I guess. I tried W2S 3 days, break, 3 days and maybe it helped for 2-3 days but then again WU 5.20/5.40. he plays always for 40min and then he starts crying. Only a couple of times managed to fall back asleep :( I even started PU/PD today because 2nd day (of new wave) of W2S didn't work and he woke up at 5.30 anyway :( I had to do it for 40mins before 7AM and then started his day...
I tried to be very consistent with his day routine recently playing a bit with his BT (shortening morning nap to 15min and giving him CN of 15mins). He reacts quite well to OT (that's what I think) and has always been LSN so I usually pushed his BT forward closer to 8pm. For a few days it helped and he woke up at 6/6.20, but then again. His night was usually aroung 11hrs but started to shorten to 10:50/10:20 when he was 6mo. Today it was 9:30 which is definitely too short :( His days look like this recently:
5.30 WU
6.10 cry, sometimes calms down when I go to him but I try not to pick him up or start his day. I gave him water a few times and he drank 100-180ml
7.00 bottle (200-240ml)
8.15 breakfast (150g)
9.30 sleep (cap at 30min)
11.30 lunch (180g)
13.00 sleep (cap at 1:45)
15.00 bottle (240ml)
17.00 solids (170g)
19.00 bottle (200ml)
19.30 bath
19.40 bottle (150ml)
19.50 sleep
He eats a lot and I give him bottle twice by the end of the day to make sure he doesn't WU because of hunger. He weights over 11kg (4.35kg at birth).
Do you have any idea what I could do? I will try to give him 45mins today in the morning and then cap 2nd nap after 1:30. Do you think I should revert his routine to have long morning nap and short pm nap??? I don't think he'd have problems with going down for his 1st nap at 10am even though he gets up so early... He really doesn't seem extremely tired during the day with 11:30-12hrs of sleep total...???!!! He's an IS and we don't use dummy since 5mo...
Please advise...
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Welcome to the club Gosia :)
If I understand correct,he has 2x30 minute naps? Or the second one is 1:45h?
From what you`ve posted, it doesnt seems like hunger. Still, 180ml of water sounds a lot.
I see you are doing cluster feeding and not a dream fed. Maybe try changing that.
I`d move the 7:00pm bottle latter (before bt) and instead offering the bottle a 7.45 give one letter at 10.00.
That`s the only thing I can think of. Hope I helped.
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Unless he is extremely low sleep needs Marcin my first thought would be that he must be very OT on so little sleep. I really cannot imagine that he would be UT and need further capping of the nap. His day is so long and one of his naps is such a short cat nap. I wouldn't cap his nap to less than 45 mins which is one whole sleep cycle. A 5hr A time before bed is just too long I think. I don't know what you have tried in the past but I would try a much earlier bedtime and letting him nap for 45 mins in the AM and push his second nap later so it isn't such a long stretch until BT.
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Thanks girls for quick replies! :) Good to have support :)))
@ dache: I also tried DF instead to make sure it's not hunger but it didn't help... so I really don't think it's that. I'd rather say that he gets hungry as he plays since 5.20AM and after 40mins happy playing he's either thirsty (it's very hot outside for a few weeks now and his room temperature no lower than 26C) or hungry. I tried giving him bottle as soon as he started crying once but he took less than usually (110ml) and didn't fall back asleep (but yes, it was 6.30 almost).
@ Ali: his first nap is 30mins and second 1:45. Both capped... Today I'm trying 0:45 + 1:30 but not sure whether this will change something. He'll get up 3pm as well. And his sleep cycle had always been 35mins... I'm just wondering whether doing his naps long+short rather than short+long as we have for the past 2 months would change anything. We he was 3mo I let him sleep as much as he wanted for 3 days at times that he chose. And then he had 0:35 AM nap and 3hrs of PM sleep. I also tried very short CN around 5pm to let him make it to 8pm BT but recently he even started to deny it! :o He never had 12hrs NS so 11hrs is the most I would dream of:)
I'd like to try doing the same as 4 months ago to see how he would like to change his routing, but I'm afraid to let him sleep as much as he wants during the day since he wakes up at 5.30 for 7 days in a row now. If I had just 1 day starting at 7/6.30.... Arrrrgh ;)
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Hi Gosia! Welcome! I don't have a lot of advise since I'm right there with you in this early waking nonsense! Lol! Reiterating on what Ali said, maybe try an earlier BT? That's what we're trying to do right now.
So far, this day is not going as planned. We tried an earlier BT last night and put LO in his crib by 6:45pm. He was pretty calm and quiet but he slept around 7:15pm. We checked around 5am and he was still sleeping. We checked around 5:30am, he seemed to be stirring. I couldn't really see well in his darkened room. By the time we got him around 6am, he was wide awake. So I'm guessing he woke up around 5:30-5:45. I tried pushing his first nap to 9:45am but he was melting down by 9am! I was able to put him to nap by 9:30 and within 5 mins he was asleep. Sigh!
Should I try an even earlier BT of 6:30pm? It's so difficult to push his first nap later.
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Hi newbiemommy :) Thanks! Keeping fx for you as well!
I'm not really sure about early BT to be honest... After a long weekend away where we had naps routine of 00:15 in the morning + 1:45 + 00:15 cn and BT around 8pm DS was waking up 6.20 for 3 days. When we came back he started refusing CN and managed very well since his afrenoon WU at 2.30/3pm-ish till his BT at 8pm. and then after 3 days he passed out at 7.10pm at his BT bottle (actually 1st of the cluster feed) - this happened 2 days in a row and since then he wakes up 5.20 again....
Any clue what's going on??
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Hi Gosia! These LOs are giving us a hard time, eh? The only thing I can think of in your case is that he's OT from his last nap to his BT. My LO can only last a max of 4 hours of A time and that it with a semi-meltdown at the very end. Maybe move BT earlier then push first nap later? That's what I'm trying to do as well...with minimal success as you can see. Lol! My LO also had a max nightsleep of about 11 hours. We had a 12-hr sleep once but was never repeated.
LO's first nap was 1.5 hours. He as awake when I went in to cap it. So...I'm not sure if the earlier BT worked in allowing him a little less daytime sleep? I plan to cap the second nap to 45 mins and try to push for a BT of 6:30pm. Gaaaahhh! I really wish they came with a manual sometimes.
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Gaaaahhh! I really wish they came with a manual sometimes.
YES! it would be so easy, wouldnt be?! :D
Gosia, I am just guessing here but maybe he is OT as Newbie said. Why not try and let him sleep as long as he wants during the naps (make sure its not more then 4h)and see how things go?
This was our last 24h.
Yesterday bt at 6, wu at 9 (bottle), wu at 2.00 back to sleep fast with paci, 4.20 bottle and 5.20 back to sleep with paci then
wu 7
bottle 7.10
breakfast 8.30
nap 9.30-10.15 (woke up after 30minutes went back to sleep for 15 more minutes)
bottle 11.00
nap 1.00-2.50
bottle 3.00
dinner 5.30
bath, bottle and in bed at 6.30
She was showing sings of tiredness by 5 and she was OT by the time I put her down but she still managed to fall a sleep almost with no fuss. Still I expect her to have her usual OT waking at around 9-10
So as you can see early BT make a little difference for us last night. Ill see how things go tonight and Ill let you know
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I don't know, he might be OT. On the other hand he really makes it quite well till BT at 8pm for the past 4 days. Showing signs of tiredness only when being dressed up in PJs 3mins before his BT bottle... Today he even didn't fall asleep right after the bottle and was playing happily in his cot for 20 more mins and fell asleep at 8.10pm :o
Keeping fx for us and our LOs tonight!!!
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How did it go last night?
I eventually did w2s again (only moved DS a bit a he didn't even fully wake up) and he slept until 6.30! :))) So today we're going to let him sleep as much as he wants (up to 4hrs total)... Let's see how this turns out!
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As I expected last night she woke up because of OT but not at 9 but at 8. Tried putting off the feed and fad her at 8.30.
She still woke up at 12.00 and 3 I think, I really dont remember well what times because Im so tiered.
But she want back to sleep easily.
The thing with her is that I think she still need one feed during the night for now, and that`s ok, as long as she sleeps well in-between.
However I do see progress. She goes back to sleep very easy and only stays awake if she is hungry.
And her first A time is prolonging, today her lasted until 9.50 before I put her for a nap.
Yay for you Gosia, happy that w2s worked. Hope you have good day today.
How are things going for you Newbie?
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Well, we're just starting our day. We put LO to bed at 6:30 and was asleep by 6:45pm. We thought that he woke up at 4am but he just switched positions and fell back asleep. He woke up around 5:45am so that gave us around 11 hours of night time sleep. I'm hoping that I could push his first nap to 10am today since he got a good night's rest. I'm hoping that by doing this, he'll start to sleep until 6:30 again. Capping the first nap at 1.5 hrs I think worked for us since he would nap for 2 hours the past week which is unusual for him.
Good luck to everyone!!!
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Sounds promising ladies.
Newbie and Gosia I just wanted to check if you know about our birth clubs which are ongoing threads where you can all chat about the challenges and joys with other BW mamas with babies the same sort of age. The relevant one for you guys is here 7-9 months, part 36
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Thanks Ali. I'll definitely check it out.
We stumbled upon a rough patch this morning. We drove hubby to work and LO was falling asleep in his carseat at around 9am He slept for about a minute until I nudged his carseat and he woke up crying. I felt so guilty but I was determined to push his first nap. He lasted until about 9:50am when I put him down for a nap. He was asleep by 10am and woke up at 11:20am. 1hr and 20 mins is typical for him. I think I'll still cap his second nap at 45 mins and still aim for a early BT of 6:30-6:45pm. I hope to push his first nap to 10:15 am and go from there.
Ali? How long do I need to keep the early BT?
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Newbie, capping the second nap would mean that he would have had 2h of day sleep which unless he is SLN baby is not enough in my opinion and you can get nw because of OT.
As for bt I think the idea is to push it further further as the ew gets letter (at least it should)
We had a bad reflux day but other wise, we did ok. She had a short nap in the morning 45minutes, as I said before, I managed to push this one a little bit more today. The second one was at 1.00-3.15. She woke up after at 2.15 but went back to sleep on her own.
I managed to push bt today until 6.45. She wasnt very OT so I hope she wont wake up after one sleep cycle.
Fx for a no night wakings tonight (a girl can dream, cant she?! :D )
Good luck ladies. Sending you lot of sttn vibes~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Well, LO woke up after 45 mins with his 2nd nap. It saved me having to make a decision on capping it or letting him just sleep through. I probably needed to extend his second A time to 3.75 hrs instead of 3.5. In any case, we're off to another early BT. Hopefully he wakes up later tomorrow.
So...assuming LO sleeps for another 11 hrs (which is what is typical for him), that means he will wake up still at 5:30-5:45pm with a BT of 6:30pm. Do I just keep pushing the first nap further? Today, he did 4hrs and 10 mins. Or do I push the second A time further? I really want him to go back to sleeping until 6:30am. ???
Our EASY today
5:45am Awake
E
A
S 10-11:20am
E
A
S 2:50-3:35
E
A
In crib by 6:45pm but slept around 7:15...undertired?
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Newbie,first let me say, whatever I advice its just a guess, Im in the same boat as you and trying to work things out. So all my suggestions are what I have read worked or what worked for us in the past. So mods are quite welcomed to correct me if Im wrong.
I dont remember if you ever said have you tried feeding him when he wakes up early? Did he went back to sleep?
For us, at one point when she was ot because of many sleepless night, I tried feeding her when she woke up at 5 putting her back to sleep and moving wu at 7 or 8. She got some rest which meant that we can go about the day with out no fuss .This meant that she can have longer A time with out getting ot and managed to get normal time for bt.
We had a good night. She still woke up at just before 9(feed). Then 11.20 and went back to sleep with just the paci. She then woke up at 2.30 for a feed and I think that was it for the night. She might have woken up but I havent noticed. Im saying this because she was a bit fussy and was sleepy at 9. Managed to postpone the nap until 9.40.
Feeding more solids, early bt and postponing the naps a little bit is working. So we still have unwanted wakings but they are down to 2-3. Idk if I said before but she was waking up every 30minutes or so, and was having hard time going back to sleep, even with a feed.
And if you read any of my other posts we`ve had quite a lot bumps. Its not all perfect, but at least its getting better. So keep up, you will see results. If I am I can assure you you will too.
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Well, it looks like it's back to square one for us today. Sigh! LO woke up at 5:45am even though he finally fell asleep at 7:15pm last night. So I'm not sure if he can make it to a later first nap. I will still try. Is it possible that LO's night sleep needs has decreased?
@dache...I totally get your point. :) We are all guessing with our LOs right? No, I don't feed LO when he wakes up early. He hasn't had a night feed in several months. When he wakes up, he just lies there waiting for us to get him. He used to babble and coo so we could hear him through the monitor. Ever since he discovered thumbsucking, that's what he does while playing with his lovey.
I'm completely at a loss now on how to deal with this. I will push for the first nap to be no earlier than 10am. However, what do I do with the second nap? Do I push it later? Or do I push BT later? He seemed UT last night when we put him down on the crib. It took him 30 mins to fall asleep. Any suggestions?
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I'm completely eating my words right now. Just as I posted my reply above, hubby went to check in LO at 6:15am and found him sleeping...sleeping! I guess when I peeked at 5:45am, he was just stirring and trying to fall back asleep. LO woke up between 6:30-6:45am. Unbelievable!!! Hoping this is not a fluke! So my game plan has changed then. I'll push his first nap to 10:45am at the earliest capping at 1.5hrs if he doesn't wake up on his own, cap 2nd nap at 45 mins and push BT a little later at 7-7:15am. Does that make sense?
@dache...you're absolutely right in saying if we keep it up, we'll see some results. Fingers crossed LOs will continue to show progress.
@Gosia...how was your night? LO still good?
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Oh sounds good!
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well, that was a bad night. Bt was 7 and no wu at 8 or 9. Df at 10.30 and slept until 2.30 when I fed her.That wast good.
But after that she woke up a few times, finally at 5.20. I left her in the cot but she didnt went back to sleep.
I`d say its an expected regression but I do believe its my fault. I took her to the doctors after the first nap (9.50-11.10). And we stayed out until 5.15.So she napped in the stroller for 10 minutes at 2.00 and then another 15minutes at 5.00.
Newbie, that was something I thinking to tell you but forgot to mention. Some regression is expected, Tracy says it in her books. But if you are consistent things will continue to improve.
How was your night?
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Well, we definitely took two steps back yesterday. We started out great but we had to abandon our EASY because LO had an allergic reaction to eggs. We had to bring him to the emergency department. I had to rock him for his first nap while we he was under observation. So he only took at 40-min nap. I just let him take a long second nap which ended up being 2 hours (2:30-4:30pm). We pushed BT to 7:30 pm and he slept at about 8pm since he was UT from that second nap. He woke up at 5am this morning. Sigh! My plan is to push the first nap to 9:30am if I can. We will do an early BT tonight too. Hopefully, it will get better.
Thanks dache for telling me about regression. Now that you mention it, I do recall it in Tracy's book. I'll keep it in mind when LO doesn't improve.
Good luck to us. We need sleeping fairy dust sprinkled on our LOs tonight!
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Oh, Newbie, how scary. If I were you I would have not been able to put lo down at all, not for naps, not for nothing.
How is he now?
You do abandon easy when something like this happens. Not only the naps but the whole EASY. It will be best to let him recover a few days before you continue to make any changes. You can try and do your best to keep your routine.
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It was really scary. I actually slept in his room. Probably why he also woke up early because he saw me on the floor.
He's okay now. We were given a prescription for an epi-pen just as a precaution. He didn't have an anaphylactic reaction. It was hives all over his face but I'm glad that we have an epi-pen just in case. He was also prescribed dexamethasone which we're to give for the next 4 days. The pharmacist told us that insomnia is one of the side effects of this drug. No wonder because LO didn't have a hard time reaching 4.5 hrs of activity time. I'll try to keep to his routine but give him a lot of room to deviate from it.
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Oh, hun, so sorry you had this big scare. And poor lo too.
Im glad the allergy its been managed. Was this the first time you gave him egg? Was it whole or just the yolk? Here its recommended to give first tiny bit of the yolk, if that`s ok you move on to give 1/8 then 1/4 then 1/2 then the whole yolk and the white part of the you give after one year.
My lo has lactose intolerance. That`s why we have so many issues. I remember when I took her to the doctors when she was 3weeks old. I held her at least 6h straight. I`d put her down for the doctors to check her up but then pick her up immediately. My mum kept asking to hold her, but I just couldnt let go, I knew if I did I`d fell apart.
And now, while on vacation I didnt hear her crying after bt. When I got to her she was very upset, I felt so bad I didnt wanted to put her down, even when she was calmed down and almost asleep. So I moved the cot in the living room, where I could see and hear her all the time, and I slept there with her.
So I understand the need to to sleep in his room very well. I hope that the lo dosnt have bad side effects form the meds. I do know about dexamethasone. Can you maybe ask if your doctor is ok with you giving him B6, that`s what our doctor suggested so that lo can get some rest from all the crying.
I hope you both get some rest now. Let me know how things are going.
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Thanks dache. Yes, it was our first time to give him egg. He had some egg yolk. I'll ask his paediatrician for a referral to an allergist. We're so paranoid now. I guess that's normal.
In any case, it seems like we're back to the norm of waking up at 5:30am. I haven't been capping his second nap but LO would wake up on his own after 45 mins. First nap remains at about 1.5 hours to a max of 2. Today, I was able to push his first nap to 9:50am with minimal fuss. We're still doing early BT of 6:30-6:45pm. Although yesterday, he didn't sleep until 7:15 even though he was in his crib at 6:45pm. Fingers crossed things will improve.
How are you ladies doing? Hope LOs are sleeping well!!!
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hi girls!
I see you had some bad adventures last weekend :( hope all will end up well!
As for our days it seems that Marcin progressed over our weekend away. He woke up 6.45 on Saturday and I had to wake him up at 7 on Sunday!!! Both nights BT @ 20.10. He slept 30mins in the morning at 10 and woke up himself plus 2:10-15 in the afternoon. Our eating times went a bit messy over the past 2 days since everything moved forward and I had to squeeze some feeds.
Today I think we had some regression but not dramatic. DS woke up 6am and started crying after usual 40mins... so he was tired by 9 already. I pushed his nap to 9.40. He slept again 00:30 + 2:10 but since his 2nd nap ended 15.20 and he started the day early he was already tired by 6.15pm. So today he fell asleep at 19.50 with some signs of OT :( we'll see go it goes...
Hope your days improve soon!!!
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Well that went horribly wrong!!!
We were out for the first nap. She napped only 10-15minutes and wouldnt go back to sleep, not even in her cot.
Then second nap was fine. She slept for 2h. And again while we were out to get fromula she had dozed off in the stroller, 10-15minutes I think, I didnt noticed.
She was still tiered so I started bt routine at 7 and she was ready for bed at 7.40.
Then all of a sudden she wu at 8,or not wu but started crying in her sleep. I tired calming her down but it only made things worse because she hates being picked up after she is put down at bt.
I tried calming her, noting worked.She could barely hold her head but she was fighting sleep with all her strength.
Finally I put her down at 9 and she didnt cry. I think she might be asleep now.
But wow what a day.
I hope that she will get good night rest to make it up (me too :))
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Hi Gosia! I'm glad Marcin is progressing well. A 7am wake-up! That's amazing!
Hi dache! Sorry to hear that you had a rough day. Sigh! Fingers crossed it gets better soon.
Our day yesterday was ok. He still woke up at 5:30am yesterday morning but I was able to push the first nap to 9:50am. I had to cap the nap at 1.5 hours. Second nap at around 2:50pm and we capped it at 1hr since we attended a baby class which he got tired from. We had to push BT to 7:15pm and LO was asleep by 7:30pm. I checked up on him at 5:30am and he was already awake, thumbsucking and playing with his lovey. We usually don't get him up until 6am at the earliest. When we checked him again at 6am, he was sleeping. We'll see how this day turns out.
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Yay for you Newbie! that's perfect if LO goes back to sleep after playing in the morning! Marcin used to do so. But today again he woke up at 5.50... and started crying after 40mins.
I really don't know how to crack this.
Do you have any suggestions? should I try to cut his day sleep? He now sleeps 2:40 a day, but he's always been LSN. Should I wait and still try to keep his BT around 20.15 since he is able to start his first nap at 10 even if he got up at 5.50!!!
I've read somewhere that some babies may still need 2 naps for a long time but the overall sleep needs are lower so they cut from night sleep. it unfortunately turns out in LOs going to bed around 9pm for some time until they're finally ready to 2:1 transition :(
Ali, what do you think?
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I really wish I had the answer, Gosia! But you may be right that as LOs get older, they need less sleep overall. So maybe if daytime sleep is shorter, Marcin will make it up by sleeping longer at night? My LO has low sleep needs as well and just the other day, he was awake at 5am, was playing around and wouldn't go back to sleep until we got him at 6. :-\ I wonder if you can increase A time in between first and second nap? Not sure if that's a good idea but at least maybe you won't have too long of A time to reach BT? Hopefully the experts here will say something soon.
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Yes, maybe try a 1.5hr nap and a 45 min nap.
I would also recommend giving wake to sleep a try alongside the caped naps. It can be hard to break the habit even when still tired.
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I just realized that her A time in the morning is 2.30-2.50 hours.
she is ready for a nap bu 9.30 but she is actually UT, that`s probably why she is waking after 45 minutes.
So I deferentially need to push her A times even more.
But(unwillingly) Im looking after 2 girls,6 years old and a 10month old who uses the breast as a prop for falling asleep and Idk how Ill manage that or the fact that I am having very hard time with my lo and now I have these 2 girls to look after but that`s another story.
My point is, I wont be able to focus on her much. So I might be forced to pause the process. Which sucss because we had EW this morning and a few NW. :-X
Gosia have you tired changing around the naps-cap the long one and extend the short one?
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Thanks girls.
We tried already for some time as short as 15 min plus 1:45. Together with w2s. It helped twice for 2-3 days and then again EW...
Dache why do you think changing naps around would help? I could try but I think I would have tough times doing that since Marcin has always preferred first nap short (since he was 3mo)... do you thinks it's that worth doing PU/PD? Had BW mentioned something about this sequence of naps?
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I dont know if it will work Gosia. My lo changed things on her own but I think its because she is UT in the morning because her A time is only 2.30h. That is what Im trying to change now. To have her awake at least 3h before any nap.
Pu/pd does work, I know. But I cant try it on V because she has reflux that is aggravated by it.
As I said Im looking after a 10m old who falls a sleep on the breast but I managed to get her to nap using pat/shhh, although she is too old for that.
Im going away tomorrow so Ill have a little more time and Ill look at the book to see what specific is said about our situation and Ill let you know what Ill find.
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Well, I'm ready to throw in the towel! After a good wake-up time yesterday of 6:50 am, LO woke up again at around 5:30am today. BT yesterday was pushed back since he woke up from his last nap at 4:30pm after capping it at 45 mins. We put him in his crib at 7:30 pm and he didn't sleep until 8pm. So he only had less than 11 hours of sleep. I couldn't push his first nap because he was melting down at 9:15am. So, we're back to square one. I've decided to cap his first nap to two hours instead of 1.5 hrs and his second nap at 45 mins. I'm hoping to do a 6:30pm BT. Any other suggestions? Should I just accept he's becoming an early riser?
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Dont give up Newbie.
After a while you will be tiered again and you`d want to start over but because of being inconsistent things might be difficult.
If you do think he is a low sleep baby try and make 2-1 transition. I have noticed that if I take her out she can last longer with A time.
And then also have a latter bt too. If he is LSN baby he doesnt need the usual hours of sleep as other babies. Accept that, but if you want wu time to be 6.30-7.00, Id say keep to working on it.
And if its ok for you that he gets up that early, than thats fine too.
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Thanks dache! Today is not going too well. First nap was already at 9:30-11:30. I thought LO would last 3.5 hours before nap 2 but he again had a meltdown at 2:30pm. So, I think I'm going to let him sleep as much as he wants today and start again tomorrow. I'm not sure if he's really low sleep needs. I thought he was but then again, he acts like he's exhausted today because of not enough night time sleep. So, I'm really hitting a wall. I really hope things will be better tomorrow.
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Hope things are better tomorrow for all of us.
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Hello ladies. I hope things went well last night.
LO again woke up at 5:30am this morning. We put him in his crib before 6:30pm last night but he only fell asleep at 7pm. But at least that gave him 10.5 hours of night time sleep as opposed to 9 hours the other night. I'm hoping to be able to push the first nap today. It feels like I'm running around in circles. So, I think my plan today is to cap first nap to 1.5 hrs, second nap at 45 mins, early BT and wake to sleep at 4:30am. If this still doesn't work, I don't know what will.
Fingers crossed for all of us!
Dache...I meant to comment on the 10-month old you're caring for. That's tough! I hope she's not keeping your LO awake!
Gosia...so you wake to sleep Marcin an hour before he wakes up? So you just nudge him or do a shush-pat?
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Actually she does! :-[
My lo had only a 10 minute nap around 9ish and she finally got to sleep now, at 2.00pm.
I was holding her in my arms trying to get her to sleep while my lo was on the bad fussing and I was trying to calm her down like that.
I didnt wanted my friends to think Im looking enough after their lo, which was ridiculous at the end, because I went to ours for a minute to get my lo`s milk, and their lo had almost fallen of the walker and has a bump form the bumping her head on the toys. :-X
But I told them that I cant do it anymore. Im going away to visit my family and they found someone else.
Lo had a lot nw last night.
She also had 5.30 waking but went back to sleep after a bottle. So she had two more bottles last night!
I think she was hungry more then usual because she didnt eat well during the day.
Fingers crossed for better and longer night tonight
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Shucks dache! I really hope LO gets a better sleep now that the other baby won't be there anymore.
@Gosia...Typos on my previous message. I meant "do" instead of "so".
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Grrrr. Another bad night. She had several nw, then wu as early as 4.30 and I dont really know if she went back to sleep. But she was showing signs of tiredness a few minutes after I got her out of the crib.
She fussed her way until 9.30. I tried putting her down but she was crying so I picked her up, waited 10 more minutes and she fell asleep.
I have noticed that she sleeps ok for the first part of the night but then she had nw in the second.
I think I might start a thread about that, maybe someone will have any idea what is happening.
Im looking forward to tonight. My mum is going look after her so that I can get some rest. And tomorrow night my sister will. Then hopefully with fresh eyes and mind Ill be more productive.
Any changes Newbie? How things went with caped naps and early bt?
How things are going for you Gosia?
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We did wake to sleep at 4:30am together with capped naps and early BT (crib by 6:45, asleep by 7) LO woke up at 6am. I guess that's a good sign. We'll keep doing this for the next few days. Hopefully LO will be consistent. I'm really hoping this wasn't a fluke.
Dache...I just read your other thread. I hope people will respond soon. Does your LO have low sleep needs? Maybe capping the first nap makes her OT? I'm not sure if it will work but maybe you can give her a day to sleep all she wants to catch up on all the lost sleep and then start again? My LO usually has a meltdown when it's been a couple of days of poor sleep and can't stick to his EASY.
Gosia...how is Marcin doing?
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Yes, we did had a early wake at 4.30.
I did let her sleep as much as she wants. Wanted to wake her at 2h mark but when I went in I sow that she was trying to put herslef back to sleep so I let her be. She slept 20-30 minutes more.
I dont cap her first nap, she wakes up on her own, I assume because she has only 2.30h A time before the nap.
I was reading about LSN and it didnt seem to sound like her but Ill look a bit more. I hope someone responds and has any idea whats going on. My lo has never sttn
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Help!!! We had such a terrible night last night. It's the worst one we've ever had. LO woke up at 11:30pm when my husband peeked in his room to check on him. LO started crying when my husband left the room. My husband could not get him to resettle. I basically sat down next to his crib and LO calmed down, started rolling over trying to sleep. There were times where LO tried to get me engaged but I just sat there, did not keep eye contact, refused to engage and made sure to keep things as boring as possible. LO finally slept at 1am and I tried sneaking but woke up LO again. Sigh. LO tried resettling himself for the next 10-15 mins minutes but as soon as crying escalated, my husband went in and sat beside his crib. LO was crying so hard that I gave him some teething drops and tylenol. I just didn't know what to do anymore! LO finally slept around 2:30am. So basically he was awake for at least 3 hours! It's close to 8am now and LO is still asleep. I didn't have the heart to wake him up knowing that he had such a rough night. What should I do with his EASY today? Just let him sleep as much as he wants? This came out of nowhere because he had a good day yesterday despite waking up at 5:30am. Pls help!
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Ah, sorry I didnt see this before. That sounds like a tough night.
I know Im writing this too late but just in case you need it another time...
Yeah, you have to rearrange his ESY considering the fact that he was up a lot last night and that his Wu time was latter. Also A time especially in the morning should be low stimulation ones.
We also had one of the worst ones yet! Lo has a cough that kept waking her up. She wu at 12 and wouldnt settle. I dont know what time it was when we put her back in the cot, and she hates being picked up after bt.
I sow some teeth and it seems would be finally coming out. She has hard time settling during the day also.
Something`s going on with her, I need to find out what. I might take her to the doctor tomorrow.
Hope you have a better night tonight
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Thanks dache! I'm sorry to hear that you had a tough night too. I hope your LO feels better soon.
When I checked LO at 8am, he was already wide awake so he probably woke up anywhere from 7:30-7:45am. He was clearly still tired and fussy. I got him to take his first nap at 11am-1pm. I capped it at 2 hours. He was much better after his first nap. I got him to nap early for his 2nd nap at 3:30. I figured it will be an undertired nap which is okay so that BT won't be so late. I really wish I understood why LO had such a rough night. I checked his gums this morning, still no sign of any teeth. I wonder if it could be separation anxiety?
Good luck to us, dache! I'm really praying it will be a better night!
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Thank you Newbie, but I dont see it happening.
She is down for 4h now and wu 3 times already in the past 2h. :-\
I offered a bottle on the first one which she took but didnt settle, I had to rock her a little bit. And she hates when I pick her from the cot after bt. The second time I gave her baby paracetamol and put teething gel.
She wu again just now while I was writing here, I had to do a resettling again.
I feel like I dont want to go to bed because I know she`ll keep waking up and I wont be at 100%.
She is crying a new cry, I dont think I have heard it before.
I have a thousand guesses what`s going on, but I cant be sure. Im lucky that I am at my mum`s place because being on my own would suck (dh is working 7.30am-10.00 :-X)
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Hi dache! Sorry to hear about that tough night. Were you able to take LO to the doctor? I don't have much to say about teething since my LO doesn't have any teeth yet. But I did read that frozen washcloths help. I hope your LO feels better soon so she'll sleep better too.
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Hi ladies!
Sorry I was so quiet for the past few days. We were away for a longer weekend. Sorry to hear you had such rough nights :( Dache if it's a new cry it might be teething I guess. I've heard some teeth hurt more. How many has your LO already?
Our weekend was definitely a weekend of at least 3 new teeth and I was very hard sometimes :( DS started acting strangely (crying very hard) at BT on Thu. And it repeated before every nap and during the day for the next 2 days :( Yesterday before noon was tough but the whole day perfect, however he WU @ 9.20pm to cry hard again for 20mins while we were heading back home :( gave him pain killers and teething gel and he slept until 6.55 first time in days!!!
WU times Thu-Sun was between 5.30 and 6.10 so we just took him to our bed to play for early day start and fed him at 7AM as he didn't realy show signs of hunger after WU (he was always playing in his cot for 30-40mins before he started crying that he's bored).
As for sleep and naps I think something is changing as well. we had quite chaotic nap times and lengths ??? he seemed to sleep longer at night when he slept less than 2 hrs during the day and was really happy during the day (except for those teeth pain attacs). Yesterdat he slept 45min+30min+20min and the day was great! I'm not sure how to adapt to this. Have you heard about LOs that are LSN but need 3 short naps during the day? Or is it 2:1 transition???But our LO doesn't seem to be able to make it longer than till 10am with the first nap... I suppose it might be that he cries a lot before nap time also because he's either OT or UT but I really can't figure out now :(
What do you think?
PS1 Newbie, yes I do W2S about an hour before usual WU but since I had to do it for almost a week I tried various times, i.e. 4.30, 4.15, 4.45 because I was afraid I would strat another habit... At first I did it like DF but with water but then my friend advised it could be "addictive" - he could learn he needs sucking a bottle early morning so I changed it to just changing Marcin's position in bed a little. BW advised to changed LO's nappy as a form of W2S but I was too scared to wake him up completely ;) hope this helps.
PS2 Can you write down you LO's A times and total sleep times a day (day naps + night sleep)? Just to compare.
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This is getting really frustrating! I really don't know what to do anymore with LO's sleeping habits. We started off great yesterday when we had to wake up LO at 7am. This was our EASY:
7am wake up (LO was awake at 5:15am when we checked but when we checked at 5:30, asleep again)
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S 10:30-11:50 I wasn't able to push LO's nap further. I would usually go for 4hr A time in the morning.
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In crib by 7pm but slept at 7:45pm. I don't know what time he woke up today but when we checked at 5:20am, he was wide awake. We're exhausted.
The reason we had a late start was because LO was still recovering from the 3-hr night waking the other day so I knew this late wake up was temporary. What do I do now? Should I try to switch the length of naps? Short nap in AM and longer in PM? LO has always been a better morning napper, though. Do I keep capping naps? I don't think I can push first nap today since he probably only had 9 hrs of night sleep. Sigh! I'm at a loss.
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Goisa I have posted her EAS here
Multiple NW after 2am-any idea why?
We are also having multiple night wakings so I have posted there to see if anyone has any idea why.
Newbie I honestly know how you feel. Im beyond exhausted. This past 3 nights have been terrible.
I ended up putting her in my bad T 6am this morning. Not to sleep but to play while I lay down a few minutes. But I have fallen asleep, and when I wu she was asleep too. My brother came in and took her at 8.30, I told him that Ill be out in a minute and closed my eyes for a second. I woke up an hour latter.
Imagine me, with 3 people to help me,and still so tiered, I can only imagine how you are feel.
Bt was bad here too. I hope and pray that we all have a break and these nights will be over tonight, if not soon. And if not soon then I hope and pray that we have get the strength needed until they are over!
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Well, LO still woke up early today. I don't know exactly what time but when we checked at 5:30, he was wide awake. I think I'll try to push his first A time to 4 hrs and 15 mins if I could. I think we're well into transitioning to 2-1 naps. He keeps waking up early for a month now despite what I've done. I even did wake to sleep at 4:30am. Any other suggestions?
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We had a surprisingly well night. She wu only once at 2 for a feed and slept until 6.30 I think, she might have woken up earlier but Im tiered and I have a cold and I didnt notice.
Today she is a little bit tiring, crying and fussing and wanting to be held all the time. Which has been happening for the past 4 days but now its more nerving because Im sick.
Newbie, sorry to hear things are not improving.
I dont remember ever reading, do you feed him solids? I dont see it on your EASY so I was wondering.
Maybe introducing/increasing the solids?
If you think its time for 2-1 transition then go for it. Do it slowly, add 15 minutes of A time. Hope that works.
Do keep in touch, I want to know if that made any difference.
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Hi dache. Glad that you had a good night. Sorry to hear you have a cold, though. Feel better soon!
Yes, LO gets solids 3x a day. He eats well. I'll try to increase it and see if it makes a difference. Well, things are not going as planned right now. I was hoping to push his first nap to 10-10:15 am but we could only make it to 9:45am. Now, I'm quite convinced that he woke up before 5:30am. In any case, if he did wake up at 5:30am, then he still had 4 hrs and 15 mins of A time. I just get confused at which point to count it from. Do I count from the time he woke up (5:30am) or his ideal wake-up time (6-6:30am)? This part always confuses me.
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Thanks.
To be honest it confuses me too. I just try to have at least 2 1/2h of A time before the first nap. Im trying to push it.she cant really go past 9.50-10.00, Im guessing that its because of ew.
I also think that she had an early wake up today too. She barely made it till 9.30 and I capped the nap at 11.00. And she started showing sighs of tiredness at 12.00. Second nap was 1.30 (this is the furthest I have managed to push it) and caped it at 3.
Unfortunately my mum took her for a walk and she napped 20minutes in the stroller so its 20.00 here and she is still up.
Just take it easy. If you see that he cant manage pushing the nap more, try 10 minutes, if not then 5.
Its hard and it will take a long time but youll get there.
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How are things going ladies?
Im so happy to tell you that our ewp today was at 4.30! I tried the paci, didnt work, tried water-no, milk-nope...nothing worked,she didnt went back to sleep. It might have been because bt was early yesterday.
Im trying to push morning nap but she gets ot because she is up so early.
For the second nap I have managed to push from 1 to 1.30.
I dont know what to do. She`s not waking many times at night. Just for the dream feed, then a feed around 2am and then she can go to 7 or she can have an ewu at 5.30.
It seems nothing I do makes any difference. She goes about as she goes about.
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I hear you, dache! My LO just keeps on waking up early whatever I do. I've been consistently capping his naps and doing earlier BT, wake to sleep. He was good for one day when he woke up at 6am then he woke up at 5:15am this morning despite everything staying exactly the same. ??? I think I'm at that point wherein I will just let him be for now until he's ready to go down to one nap. I'll still try to be consistent but I feel like I'm losing the battle on this one.
Dache? Have you tried weaning the night feeds?
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Actually Im thinking on starting form Monday. (new week-new hope :D)
My mum was getting up to feed her last night and she fed her 3 times! df, plus 2 night feed and thinks that that`s ok, she had 7 bottle in total yesterday. :-X
I dont know whats going on with our lo. She is no waking as much at night, as I said, just for the feeds, but she started wu for the day at 4.30 and is ot by the time I pick her up.
So Im collecting courage and strength to start on Monday and keep it up.
I was advised to do apop, so I thinking when she wakes up Ill try resettle her with the paci which I know it wont work but Ill go on with a combo of pu/pd and pat/shh and racking/waling.
Also I need to see what to do about her EASY during the day since she might be ot from the nights but I have to make this work.
What do you think?
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Just wanted to mention that you can't really do PUPD and use a paci unfortunately. PU/PD and Paci Use. Why they don't mix.
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I know that they dont mix. I have read both books, and all FAQ on almost all topics. ;D
But I dont know how to be with out it. She still cries a few hours during the day and Ill go coo-coo with out it.
Im getting cold feet now. I dont think I can manage to hear her crying.
I might just try to keep her up as much as possible in the morning so that she doesnt think she can make it up being awake so early with a nap. Ill take her for walks in the sling in the morning and put her down at 10.15/10.30 and then cap the second nap
Aghhh, I hate this. I dont want to hear her cry but at the same time we are all so tiered, including her.
And if she doesnt get enough sleep she is very fussy and cries more and she wants to be held in arms all the time. I feel like Im spoiling her but I also have the poor baby syndrome because she has cried sooo much since she was born I hear her cry and I think (oh God here we go again, how do I get her to calm down now :D ) oh, my poor baby, she is upset again, something`s wrong with her again.
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Hi. My LO used to take a paci when we were starting to sleep train. I was advised not to do pu/pd until LO can replug the paci himself so I stuck with shush-pat. Dache, is there a way to teach LO to replug her paci? I wonder if your LO is going through a growth spurt of some sort? Maybe that's why she's hungry? Clearly I'm just throwing out ideas here as I don't really know what to do. But I agree...new week...new start! Good luck!
Well, so far we had a good morning. I did everything the same...capped first nap to 1.5 hours, second nap to 45 mins, asleep by 7pm and wake to sleep at 4:30am. LO woke up around 6-6:15am. So we'll see if this will be consistent.
Ali? How long do I wake to sleep for? Also, when pushing the first nap...do I count from the time LO wakes up (i.e. 5:30am if he wakes up early) or from his ideal wake up of 6-6:30am? This part confuses me. Thanks!!!
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I'd wake to sleep for 5 days then try stopping it for 2 days. If you're still getting EW I'd do another 3-5 days of w2s.
Normally I'd count from his actual wake up time but when pushing the nap later to discourge EWs I used to just put him down at the time I would have had he woken at the later, more reasonable time. This only works if LO still does a good nap after being kept up though. Babies who short nap when OT will likely need to count from EW and stretch the A time more gradually.
Dache, I'd keep the paci and use shh pat or variation there of. I'm assuming your LO doesn't replug yet but if that is wrong then you can use pupd.
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Thank you Ali!
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Thanks Ali. She can replug but I dont know if she does it at night.
We had a little different night yesterday. Dinner was at 6 and a bottle at 7, she went down easily and wu at 11. Then I tried w2s at 1.15 (she usually wakes up 1.30-2.30) and although she still wu it was an hour letter then usual, so I guess that`s progress, right? Oh, I just remember that she took a around 15 minutes to restless after the bottle,that`s also new.
She still wu at 5.30 but want back to sleep for an hour more.
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For w2s at night Tracy recommended doing it an hour before their usual wu as sleep cycles work differently at night and los sleep more deeply.
I weaned the dummy before my lo could replug but I know some mamas put several pacis in the cot and even use glow in the dark ones to help LO find it at night.
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I knew it was too good to be true. LO woke up at 5:30am today. We couldn't even do wake to sleep at 4:30am because LO woke up when my husband entered the room. LO fell back asleep within 5 mins after, though. Sigh! Oh well...new day.
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Sorry you had a rough morning Newbie. I dont know what to say. You clearly are trying hard get things in order, so sorry it didnt work until now.
But again, could it be just a regression? You know how it goes-you start bad, then have a good few days and then worse days and then the habit is broken.
Ali, she doesnt always wake up at exactly the same time, its between 1 and 2.30. Do think that w2s wont work for her?
The dammy thing-I tried weaning once-when she was 2m or so, it worked, she didnt needed it to go to sleep but she was crying a lot at that time (Ive mentioned it before here 15h a day!) so I had to, for her sake and ours! I know its a prop, during the day we use it to sooth her if she is very upset, and for sleeping. Some times she wont open her mouth because she doesnt want it. But Im not doing any weaning now. I`ve decided to wait until she weans on her own. When she was a newborn she didnt wanted it, but I kept pushing and now here we are, do I feel sorry?-yes. And I will not use a paci if I have other babies but I made my bed and now Im ready to sleep in it :(
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Oh I wasn't even suggesting you wean the dummy. My mention of weaning was just an admission that the following advice about multiple pacis in the cot and glow in the dark ones was not from personal experience. :)
I only stopped giving the dummy to ds2 at 7mo because he lost interest in it and didn't even seem to notice I stopped offering. Tbh I cant believe my luck and expect things to be different with this next baby whom I fully intend to give a dummy to. I think the months of self-settling it affords is well worth it especially when it is a second or third baby and there are other kids who make shh patting for ages too difficult :)
No i don't think w2s would work if the wake up times vary so as that doesnt sound habitual really.
Newbie, was it at 4.30 your DH woke LO going in the room? If so then that is still w2s isnt it?
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Newbie, was it at 4.30 your DH woke LO going in the room? If so then that is still w2s isnt it?
I agree. It just didnt work :P
My lo also woke up early this morning. after the night feed at 2.30pm she woke up at 5. I knew she wasnt hungry, putting a hand on her tummy and shhhh didnt work so I decided Im going to do apop. I picked her up, rocked her until she calmed down, maybe a minute, then just held her for a few minutes and put her down. She didnt went back to sleep immediately but she didnt cry, and when she went to sleep she stayed asleep until 7.
It would be so much easier to feed her very time she wakes up, she might not go to sleep but at least she is not crying. Maybe she is really and need to feed, she does takes full bottle. Ill be fine with a df and a nf, I know many babies need it still at this age, but the early morning wakings...Im lost
Ali, I know you didnt suggested weaning. I`ve heard about babies lose interest in dummies at 7 months. I was hoping my lo would be like that. Maybe I just stop offering it during days and see how it goes.
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Many LOs who have tummy problems really benefit from a dummy Dache so maybe bear that I mind if you are still working out the intolerance issues.
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Hi there. Yes, DH went into LO's room at 4:30 and woke him up so yes, it is still wake to sleep. But he ended up waking at 5:30 anyway. I kept the same EASY yesterday with capped naps and another w2s at 4:30am and LO woke up again at 5:30am. I guess this is his new norm? I really don't know what else to do. I'm afraid to try a later BT but I will if it's advisable. So far, his BT has been 7pm.
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Can you remind us what his current age is and when he currently naps?
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I dont get it. Lo had naps, first one 2h, second one 1.5h and she showing sings of tiredness by 5pm. ???
I`ve noticed this pattern in the last week or so
She naps well, but she wakes up all happy and can sit and play independently and then an hour letter she is showing sings of tiredness,starts to fuss and as times passes by she gets more and more fussy, wont sit still, cries about everything, and only calms down while being held and most of the times the person has to be standing. If she is in the stroller, every bump on the road is a cause for a meltdown.
I barely managed to make bt 7 today and she was up an hour letter crying.
Tbh Im very confused.
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Hmmm...wonder week? My LO was the same at that age. I remember I had to APOP some of the naps, too. Teething as well, maybe?
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Dache do think it's possible she isn't really lows sleep needs but just has a body clock that is set as an early riser? 5pm was 12hrs after she woke so maybe she needs an earlier BT? Have you ever tried putting her to bed super early to see if she still sleeps until 5am? Some babies will only do a long night with an early BT as they don't tack on in the morning but will tack on to night sleep at the beginning of the night. Might be worth a try if you dare. You could then work on shifting the whole day in 5 minute increments if you establish a more regular routine with a longer night.
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No, I dont think she is LSN baby. I was wondering that but she`s not.
I dont think its wonder week or growth spurt. She is very difficult when she is going trough anything like that.And I tried to remember if its something new and remembered that its not.
Today was strange too. She wu at 6 and didnt stayed up for 4h. She napped 10-12 then stayed up for another 3.30h. I didnt know if I shold wake her or not, and I decided to let her sleep. She woke up at 5.
Bt was 8.30. Im very interested to see how her night goes.
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Fingers crossed.
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Thanks Ali.But that was a rough night, I counted at least 7 NWs.
She is moving A time on her own, form 2 1/2h to 3-3 1/2h. And bt was later, except today, 7:30, asleep by 7.45.
How are you doing Newbie? I was thinking about you today. I`ve stopped doing w2s, I think she is going trough a growth spurt so Ill let her be. How about you, are you noticing any progress?
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Oh that's a shame Dache. Sounds like she was OT from the extremely long day and long A times.
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I think last night was better. I cant remember all the night wakings when Im tiered :P
But I think it was just for feeds and then an EMW.
She did went down easy on her first nap at her regular time-9:30. I just went in to check on her. She is seeping on her side like a big person lol.
Ihdk whatto think. She had a little fiver this morning so who knows what` going on ,teething?reflux flare because of teething? a cold? GS?.
Maybe I too should just let things go and accept the way things are,like Newbie did.
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Hi dache! I'm sorry LO is going through a tough time. Must be so hard for both of you. I really don't have any answers for you just support. :-\
As for me, things are pretty much the same except that I think the w2s has somehow backfired on us because LO seems to be waking up at 4:30am and then going back to sleep. ??? I don't know what to make of it. Oh well! Our EASY today was all over the place because we had to go to a family thing. LO didn't take his second nap until very late (in the car). Sigh! Tomorrow is another day.
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Thanks newbie, I dont have any ideas also. Her days are all messed up, Im trying to keep up and see if its just a phase. I`ve posted on the easy board to see if anyone has any idea what`s going on, or how to go about her days now. Hopefully, someone will have any ideas soon because her NWs are all over the place also.
Does your little one goes back to sleep on his own when he wakes up? If that`s the case I`d just let him be and see where things go.
We had similar day as your. LO was out with my mum and took a short nap in the stroller and that was that until 8pm. :-\
She just woke up at 9:00 I tried resettling her with the paci, she was ok for a few minutes then started crying. I made her a bottle and gave it to her and went out for to the toilet. When I came back the bottle was next to her and she had the paci in her mouth and was sleeping. Off course she still woke up 30 minutes letter for the bottle but she replugged the paci for the first time on her own.
It made me think of you Ali. Your advice to put more pacis in the crib worked :D Thanks.
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Oh good. Maybe that will really help if she can find a paci on her own.
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Hi, I'm back.
Dache...glad to know that LO has learned to replug her paci. :) i hope things are better. I remember when LO discovered his thumb, he would fall asleep easier.
As for me, I think LO is undergoing some changes in his routine again. I thought we finally had it down and then BAM...change again. Yesterday was a little rough for his first nap. He woke up at 6:15am (yay!) instead of 5:30am. So I figured that I would put him down for his first nap at 10:15am. LO had a total meltdown at 10am and he could not settle himself to sleep. So I stayed beside his crib until he fell asleep and I was able to sneak out. So maybe I waited too long? Today, LO woke up at 6:08am. My plan was to put him down at 10am for his nap. We drove hubby to work and LO was yawning the entire time. At around 9:15am, he slept in the carseat for about a minute until I woke him up. I kept everything low-key so he can make it to his first nap. I was able to put him down in his crib at 9:55am. He was yawning the entire wind down time. The moment I shut off the lights and left the room, LO started playing and pulling himself up. I saw it on the video monitor. He finally slept at 10:15am. SIGH! Does that mean I put him down too early? Could it be developmental and he was just trying out his pulling up skills?
His EASY from the past two days...
6-6:15am awake (he normally wakes up at 5:30-5:45am)
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A
S 10-11:30 (I would cap at 1hr and 45 mins if he was particularly tired)
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A
S 2:45-3:30 (he usually wakes up on his own)
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A
S crib by 6:45pm, usually asleep by 7pm.
Should I push the first A time some more? If he wakes up at 5:30am, his first nap is still at 10am. I've been so used to the early wake up that I don't know what to do anymore when he wakes up at 6am. Lol!
Ali? You mentioned that your LO had a similar EASY, when did your LO transition to one nap? At what point did you start pushing the first nap? Sorry too many questions!
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We had spikes in A time too. From 2 1/3 to 4 hours. I think its developmental leap or something.
So maybe your lo is going trough it too? The A time seems ok for his age now but you can try increasing it to see if it makes a difference. But from what I have noticed if she has even a minute of sleep she is her sleep cycle is missed and she need more A time.
Here things are still hard. She wake a lot at night, when she wakes at 4.30 its hard to put her back to sleep. And she wakes soon after bt and it takes an hour to go to sleep.
Her first nap today was 8.20-10.20 and second nap 3-4.30. I dont know what to expect tonight but FX it better then last couple nights
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We had a very similar nap routine from about 9-15mo. We actually kept the first nap at 10am (regardless of wake up) right up until the end of 2 naps because we had to be out of the house by 11.45am 3 mornings a week so we just kept it the same every day. Our second nap did move later to around 3.30-4pm in the later months (maybe 12-15mo) and BT was 7pm and then 7.30pm around 13mo. Occasionally during those last 3 months he would have one long nap on one or sometimes two days a week at 11 or 11.45am for 2-2hr45 and then we would do an early BT of 6pm-ish. When we moved to one nap full time at 15mo I just jumped straight to11.30-ish nap.
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Thanks Ali! LO woke up at 6:15am today but I put him down for his nap at 10am and he slept. So I think he responds well to that time regardless of what time he wakes up. You mentioned that your LO's second nap got pushed to 3:30pm at one point, was it because he was refusing to take an earlier nap? I think LO is close to trying to fight his second nap. I know I put him down undertired but I'm very hesitant to move it right now because I noticed that he needs an A time of 3-3.5 hrs before BT. Thanks again!
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Actually it was mainly because he used to fall asleep in the way home from playgroup in the buggy and he just started to take longer to drop off. It is a 20 minute walk starting at 3pm-ish and he went from falling asleep the second he got in the buggy to leave to falling asleep somewhere along the route to being sleepy as we arrived home so I walked around the block until he dropped off. Then he stopped falling asleep in the buggy at all and I had to put him in the cot when we got home which meant he didn't get to sleep until 3.30pm. I think it was as he was needing a longer A time and was less and less tired at 3pm.
I was actually looking back at my old birth club posts from 12-15mo last night (to get the right timings to post here for you) and I noticed that as soon as the BT got to 7.30pm he started easily going back to sleep at the 5-5.30am NW/EW and getting up for the day after 7am. :) that was mostly the end of our EWs. These days btw (just 3yo) he sttn 7.30pm - 7am ish with no nap (dropped the nap 2 months ago). So there is hope :)
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We are still working out her day EASY after the A the growth spurt. (and is still in WW period)
Now she can go for 3h15-3h30 and nap ok.
But the NW are better. She only wakes 2-4times and most days EW is not an issue.
What I`ve noticed and made the whole difference is if I miss her first sighs of tiredness at BT she wakes early for DF and has more NWs and EW.
How are things with you Newbie? I remember you said at one point that BT for your lo is 10pm so maybe EW is because of OT there too?
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Hi there!
Ali...thanks for your reply. Glad to know there is hope! 7:30-7...that's the dream! Lol!
Dache...I'm glad the NW are getting better. Things are pretty much the same on my end. I've been trying to make the nap consistent at 10am no matter what time LO wakes up in the morning. Today he woke up at 6am, yesterday he woke up at 5:30am but we still made the naptime the same. His BT is still 7pm. Sometimes, he gets really wired and takes more time to wind down. This makes him OT, I think.
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I found that playing music in the background helps during wind down.
I use "baby sleep instant" app but any classical music will do the trick, especially if she is OT.
And if she wakes early in the morning I play the music and I dont even have to get out of my bed (this doesn't always work, but even sometimes its enough :D )
WW was hard. According to the calendar she is still in that phase but its much better.