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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Frostygrrl on August 11, 2014, 11:36:53 am
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My lilltle one has always been bad sleeper. She 9 mth and I've just gone back to work and doing it tough. She wakes up 2-4 times a night.
She goes to bed 7.30pm then wakes 9.30pm, wide awake and had to settle. Will get her down at 10.30pm. She then wakes at 2.00am and 50% wake at 6.00am or wakes 4am, 5am. First off how do I get her not to wake at 9.30 pm
I try not to feed her to sleep but she is so hard to settle and will scream murder every time she is near cot. She has severe separation anxiety, stopped self settling at naps. She sometimes self settled at night but mostly don't. Plus she barely sleeps, during daycare she sleeps 3 times 35 min average.
Plus she is so whingee all say long at the moment. Please any advice would be much apprciAted.
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So sorry it's tough right now. Sending you lots of ((hugs)). 9mo is a prime time for separation anxiety.
A few questions if I may? How many days a week is she at daycare? Are the naps better at home? Are the nights worse when she's been at daycare?
Would you mind posting your easy for us to have a look at? Perhaps there's something there that can be tweaked. Are there any teeth coming through at the moment?
Sorry for all the questions, it just helps to try and get the full picture x
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Um no teeth yet. Everytime I think teeth coming out no teeth appears. She does fuss all day long like she having it.
6.15am awake + bf
8.00am breakfast
9.30am sleep (mainly 45 min, sometimes 1 hr 10min)
10.30am formula
11.30am lunch
2.00pm sleep ( mainly 45 min)
3.30pm formula
5.30pm dinner
6.00pm bath
7.30pm sleep
9.30pm awake
10.30pm sleep
2.00am Wake
4.30am Wake
Naps are better at daycare she has 3 naps around 45 min. They most rock her in her pram. Night time sleep pattern remains the same regardless of childcare days. She's never slept throughout the night.
Yes separation anxiety is the worst. Here hoping wonder week will finish soon.
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Always the way isn't it? Either teething (we think!) or wonder weeks ::)
I know you say naps are better at daycare but really those 3 45mins naps might be causing a little OT by the end of the day. It's what we call an UT/OT loop. She's going down for her naps UT then that's setting a pattern for the day. Then she's really not getting a restorative long nap. And the day does seem a little long too on those naps.
Average A time for a 9mo is around 3 to 3.5hrs. I think by the looks of it your LO may like a shorter first A if you sometimes get a longer nap, but that might be her catching up from the NW's.
I would aim for at least 1 longer nap and one shorter nap in the day and try and keep the day to around 12-12.5hrs max. To do this I think you're going to have to increase her A times. I would do this slowly adding 15 mins and holding for 3 days. Try and do BT around 12hrs after she woke in the morning too. This may try and go some way to fixing the OT.
If daycare rock her to sleep, do you think she relies on that to fall asleep? If we increase her A times to a suitable level do you think you might want to consider sleep training to help her fall asleep independently? This would mean asking your daycare people to follow it too. What do you think?
Here's a link about pu/pd which you might find useful. This won't help too much nap-wise until the A times are suitable but you could try this at night? The important thing is to be consistent. How to PU/PD (inc age adaptations)
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Hi ya, thanks for your reply.
When she is with me I put her down for two naps and I still get the 45min long. Wouldn't it be better with 3 naps of 45min vs 2 45min?
For Reference here is daycare schedule:
6.30am Wake
10.15am Sleep (40min)
1.15pm Sleep (45min)
4.00pm Sleep (35min)
7.11pm Bath
7.50pm Sleep (1hr10min)
10.11pm Sleep (2hr 49min)
2.00am Sleep (3hr10min)
5.17am Sleep (2hr)
Non daycare day:
7.17am Wake
A 3hr30
10.47am Sleep (56min) Left to ss 8min before distress cry. took 30min to calm down and sleep. tap bed n shss.
A 3hr30
3.17pm Sleep (35min) protest cry for 4min. 12min to sleep. was with her.
7.40pm Sleep (41min)
She use to self settled during the day nap, but recently has separation anxiety would be distressed straight away when i put her in cot. so i had to resort with basically staying next to her for the last 3 weeks. At daycare they tap the bed and shss to sleep, but rock her in the pram if they can't get her down. She only started childcare last week, so they are doing still in transition.
do you think her bed time is too early so she wakes early like her 3rd nap?
Do you want me to try do bath time at 6.30pm, and in bed by 7.00?
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Sorry for the slightly late reply, I have DH home this week and it's like having two lo's to take care of! ::)
I think it's really difficult with nursery. Many lo's don't sleep as well there. As she's only been there a little while, it'll probably take a while to settle in.
I can totally see what you mean by the 3 or 2 45mins naps. Technically, yes, she's getting a little more sleep in total but I think as it's such a long day she's getting OT by the end of it iykwim?
I think I would work on that first A personally. Perhaps extend to 3hrs 45mins and do w2s at around 30 mins to see if that helps the transition to the next sleep cycle. I will post some info about that in a min. But basically you go in at the 30mins point of sleep and very gently stroke their cheek until you hear a little sigh and the breathing pattern changes. Then I would do as you usually do to soothe her back to a deep sleep softly for 10 mins or so until you feel you can quietly back out of the room. What do you think?
Then I would keep that second A at 3hrs 30 and if she takes a 45mins nap, that's fine. Then I would try around 3hrs to BT. I would try this for about a week and see how it goes. Sometimes w2s doesn't work, it takes a bit of trial and error to get it right for your LO. I think we just need to concentrate on getting her to have one nice long nap by teaching her to transition over to the next sleep cycle. My DD was a chronic 45mins napper for months. The only thing that rectified it was a very long first A and w2s for around a few weeks to teach her that a longer nap was expected.
It does take time and patience to get this right. Maybe speak to your daycare people to see if they'll be up for doing this too?
How do I address habitual wakings? (wake-to-sleep and other methods)
There's also some great info about separation anxiety taken from Tracy's book BWSAYP here Separation Anxiety
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Hiya
I'll try w2s tomorrow. The strangest thing happened. She wouldn't go don't yesterday as her last sleep was 5.10pm. So she wasn't tired so ended sleeping at 8ish and slept until 1.30pm. So I gave her full bf and she slept until 5.10am. Then slept until 6.35 woke her up.
Do you think it's because she wasn't ut or ot for a change?
She did 2 x 40min sleep & 1 x 35min all in cot.
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Who knows? ;) it might be she's just crashed and is trying to catch up on some sleep??
Hope it goes well today x
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Hi Kelly,
I think the 3 rd sleep in daycare must be helping. She went to bed 7.15 and woke 10.49 pm. Then 3.45am then 5.49am. It's a bit early but I guess it's ok. She then had two sleep yesterday.
1st nap 7.45am - 1hr43min
2nd nap 2.03pm - 48min Wake to sleep
It's not as long as I wanted but longer thAn expected. I'm guessing any sleep is good sleep.
With the two sleep she did the 9.30pm wake up (1hr30min sleep).
This morn she woke 2.48am then 6.28am. She had two naps
1st nap 9.20am - 2 hr 12 min
2nd nap 2.30pm - 29 min ( was out, slept in pram )
Even though she seems to like 3 naps, I'm not sure I can get her to nap at those times. Daycare seem to get her way more tired. What do u reckon. I'll keep trying w2s tomorrow.
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They do find daycare a lot more tiring as it's very stimulating! Those naps look loads better though hun. Well done you! I'd try and stick with it for a little while and see if she settles into it.
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:'( omg I want to cry... I thought yesterday was near perfect routine and she still woke 9.30pm on the dot right after 7.30pm sleep. Then woke 12.30am, 3.15am and didn't settle until 4.45am. Then 6.30am. She must be tired as she feel asleep on morning breast feed. I let her sleep to 8.30am
The wake to sleep seems working. I got 1 hr in the morning nap and 45min in the afternoon. It's almost night, in her bed and refuse to go to sleep. Grrr.
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Try wake to sleep at 8:30 pm??
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I've had days like that too hun, where technically it was the 'perfect' day then the NS goes wrong! ITA with Sarah, how about trying w2s at 8.30pm?
(Hugs)
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Hi ya just got this message will try w2s tonight. Just wondering am I doing it wrong. She takes like 40 min to settle to sleep. I put her down 2 hr 56 awake, read 5 min story. Walk out. She whinge cry 20 min. It use to take me forever for her to stop crying ( or not at all) but last night I found out she likes tummy rub, so today she stop crying in 5 min. The she whinge cry on and off til she fell asleep 3hr 44 min. Then she whinge cry in her sleep for two min.
I was in room hiding behind cot. Shssing every so often.
Should I put her down later. I've done it before but she gets over tired and goes straight to distress cry.
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I'm thinking she may need to go down a bit earlier perhaps? 3hrs to bed after a short nap might be a tad too much. Do you want to try 2.5hrs maybe? Wdyt?
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So her 1st nap was super long. Was 2 hr 5 min. I capped it. Then she refuse the second nap. It took longer than 45 min to settle so I bf her to sleep. She slept 1 hr which was capped. Yah long naps. Do I need to continue w2s each time?
I tried w2s at night but I think I the got timing wrong. She woke up after 1.5hrs. I tried at 1 hr and 1 hr 15. Both time she did not wake. She was awake but ended nodding back to sleep aster 10min. Yah. When do I do w2s again? At 1 hr asleep?
She not active child so she not exerting much energy and not too tired. I play single mum for next few days. Wish me luck..
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She went to bed at 8.44pm (took 45mins). Her last nap finished 5pm.
So I tried w2s at 10.07pm and she slightly stirred (only very little), she didn't wake at 10.15pm as expected and stirred at 10.37pm and went back to bed. I'm calling it a success. Now it also could be daycare day, 3 sleeps, had panadol (as she teething) but YAH anyways. Going to bed now. Tomorrow will attempt to put her to bed earlier.
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Wow, this is amazing! Go you!!
I'd be careful of extending those naps too much hun. At this age it's normal to have one longer nap and one shorter nap a day. Otherwise it just robs the night time sleep away and may cause other issues like waking at night to play ::)
I'm not surprised she refused the second nap after over a 2hr nap. This is the beginning of the signs for the 2-1 transition. I'll post a link about this in a minute. I would look at having one nap not longer than 1.5hrs and perhaps the other one at 45mins and keep to a max of a 12.5hr day.
I'd continue w2s on one nap that you want to be the long one and leave the other one and not do it. Can you post the last two days easy for me to have a look at and I can see where we can tweak it x
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
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The last two day she was at childcare
Thursday 21st
Wake 6.25am
Nap 9.50-10.30am (40min)
Nap 12.55pm-1.35 (40min)
Nap 4.20pm-5.00 (40min)
Sleep 8.44pm-1.11am (4hr27min) Panadol. Put her in bed at 8pm, took 44min for her to fall asleep. Had to assist her by rubbing tummy. W2s at 10.07pm. cough cry intermittently at 10.37pm, then went back to bed.
Sleep 1.52am-5.44am (3hr51min) fed her both breast for 10min each, nappy change. Let her co sleep, she chatted for 10min and fell without assistance.
Friday 22nd
She sleepy feed for 25min, until I got her up for the day.
Wake 6.15pm
Nap 10.05-10.35am (30min)
Nap 12.40-1.20pm (40min)
Nap 4.20-4.50pm (30min)
8.32pm. Put her to bed 7.50pm, daddy came home 8.00pm, 5 min hugs and cuddles. Happy to lie down, but started whinging when I wasn't in line of sight. I sat next to her but didn't touch her. She fell asleep 8.26pm. I left and close the door and she woke and start crescendo in cry as I wasn't there. Would not settle, so I had to rub tummy, then she fell back to sleep and finally slept 8.32pm.
Sleep 8.32pm - 12.36am (4hr4min) fed to sleep
Sleep 12.43am - 4.17am (3hr34min) fed to sleep
Sleep 4.52am - 6.31am (1hr39min) fed to sleep
Is there a way for me to push the wake to sleep further to she could like wake at 2am, so we are down to one feed? I genuinely think she needs at least one feed. She refuses formula throughout the day so I don't think she eats enough.
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So we've gone back to square one. The last 3 nights she has been sick and coughing lots and I've been feeding her extra lots at night as her appetite has gone. Now she is back to waking 4-5 times. Boooo.
For me I still put her down awake during her BT and let her fall asleep. Then all subsequent waking we feed her back to sleep. Typically its 10pm, 12.30pm, 1.30pm, 4.30pm then wake. Should I hold off some of those feeds? How can I get her fluids up to help her fight the flu.
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I would just go with the flow whilst she's ill hun. Feed as often as you feel! The skills you taught her before can be retaught. There's always tricky times throughout a lo's life, whether it be illness, sleep regressions or teething. You do whatever needs to be done to make her feel well again then resume normal service when she's better. It may take a little while to get back on track, but it does always come back. That's why we have a whole separate forum here about getting back on track! It happens.
Pop back when she's feeling better and we'll get it sorted again x
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She's in childcare and is forever sick. She still have the cough but last night was the first night we were on normal schedule (have been travelling) so I thought it would be great to try get back on track.
The other nights has been multiple waking and the night prior the 1st night sleep was 1hr. Last night she was an angel. Slept from 7.45pm to 1.46am.
I fed her full feed and she slept until 5.40am, then was wide awake.
How do I extend her to sleep until 6.30am?
At this stage should I try train her to sleep through the night (before the next development)? Or 1 feed is common? She only had 20ml of formula today and I'm guessing she will wake multiple. Will let you know.
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I'm thinking if she's taking so little formula during the day she is bound to wake at night for some as she will be hungry. I think the requirements are around 600ml but some can be from dairy foods too.
What's her solid food intake like? Milk is the primary source of nutrition up until 1yr old so if she's eating too may solids and not enough milk, that might be why she's looking for milk during the night? What do you think? I'm a little concerned she's only taking 20ml all day hun x
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I bf morning & night. So it's only during the day. Her appetite is a little lower due to cold, but she typically eats 3-4 tablespoon each sitting 3 x daily. Occasional 1 piece fruit for snack. I do wish she would eat more so I can be sure it's not hunger feeds.
Oh btw on the day she slept well. She had 2 long naps 1.5 hrs. 1 short 30 min at daycare. Maybe coincidence she back to waking 2-3 hours. Boo
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Nightmare is back. She seem to be over the worst of of her cold, but now seem to be having yet another lovely wonder week and seem to refusing sleep.
She seem to fall asleep, close her eyes and wake right back up.
We put her down at 7.30pm and she went to bed closed eyes and heavy breathing at 8.25pm, then she woke right back up. Put her down again at 8.50pm and she closed her eyes at 9.24pm and now she is back up again. If I leave the room she starts distressed crying.
What gives? Should I just feed her to sleep?
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I'd try not to hun unless you feel she's hungry. Any teeth coming along?
It might be a little bit of separation anxiety. This age is prime time for it. Separation Anxiety
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Hi Kellyj, just a quick catch up.
We had one good week of her waking mostly once at two with 5.30am wake up. Yah almost sttn. Then another cold. She started fussing and waking twice, but last night was like four times and would not settle. At the rate she gets sick, she'll never learn to sttn.
I've been trying the gradual approach and I can't seem to get her to calm and get closer to the door. The best is when I'm almost out of sight but my foot. If she sees me leaving the door, straight to distress cry. Do I just continue with gradual approach?
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I was just thinking about you yesterday!
Yep, I'd continue with the gradual approach. It's great you've gotten to the point where it's just your foot she sees. I would try and use your voice too to reassure her, repeat your bedtime phrase over and tell her it's ok, mummy is here. Back in a mo to post a link you might find helpful (just ignore the bit about wi/wo) x
Walk In/Walk Out vs. The Gradual Withdrawal Method (HOW TO CHOOSE)
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Hey kellyj I have super exciting news. Baby sttn from 9pm to 5am on tues. But then twice awake and awake 4 times last night. Boo
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Yay! That is exciting news! At least you know she's capable of it now eh? Did you make a note if anything was different from one day to the next? X
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Hey Kellyj,
I made some progress. Was able to leave the room and let her self settle during the day. Night time she still cries out, so I have to be in the room. No progress on sleeping through the night again. We are back to two times awake. She's sick again. And so am I.
She is having the early night waking again around 2 hours after she wakes. What do you think it is? UT/OT?
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Difficult one hun. Within the first 2 hrs normally signals OT by BT. Have you tried moving BT 1/2hr earlier to see if that makes a difference?
Well done with the SS for naps though! Great progress! X
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Heya.
I solve the night self settling. She hates having lights off. So we leave it on dim and she would ss. So now she is independent sleeper persay. She still has musc to help calm her but once music is over she doesn't fuss.
We hit a snag where she just not going for her aft nap. What should I do?
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Yay! Well done you! Wouldn't have thought of that one.. We learn something new every day eh?!
I think you're on route to the 2-1 transition hun. Would you mind posting your current easy so we can see what we can do for you? X
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
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Hi Kellyj,
We've hit a sleep regression. As well she started crawling and sitting up in bed. GAH! Oh and she had a great birthday.
Here is the last couple of day routine:
31/10/2014 Daycare Day
6.10am Wake up
9.55am - 11.40am Sleep (1hr45min)
2.20pm -3.40pm Sleep (1hr20min)
10.15pm
will post a lil later
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What strikes me from the first bit you posted hun is that she's getting quite a bit of day sleep now. Yay in some respects as that's what we were trying for, but now it might be worth capping one of the naps at this age to around 45mins. What time was BT on that day? I would try and keep to a 13hr day at max x
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31/10/2014 Daycare Day
WU 6.10am Wake up
Nap 9.55am - 11.40am Sleep (1hr45min)
Nap 2.20pm - 3.40pm Sleep (1hr20min)
BT 10.15pm (pd at 8pm but refuse to sleep)
NW 4.03am (2hr)
01/11/2014 Saturday
WU 6.19am
Nap 11.00am - 12.30pm (1hr30min)
Nap 4.00pm - 4.15pm (15min)
BT 8.44pm - 9.44pm
NW 10.30pm - 1.54am (was awake a long time 5hr10min)
NW 3.23am - 6.00am
2/11/14 Sun
WU 6.00am
Nap 10.54am - 12.30pm (1hr36min)
BT 6.25pm - 7.57pm (1hr33min)
NW 8.18pm - 9.30pm (1hr13min)
NW 10.50pm - 3.05am (4hr15min)
NW 4.40am - 6.20am (1hr40min)
I think it was a wonder week for the reason why there are so much multiple waking. What should I do?
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Oh my days! Poor you hun, those NW's are awful. Sending you huge ((hugs)). Is she one already??
If she's 1, I'm thinking we need to step it up a gear and start moving to one nap ASAP and start getting some consistency in there.
What happens when she's awake during the night? I mean, 5odd hrs is pretty crazy. Do you try and resettle her or do you get her up and play? She's an independent sleeper now isn't she?
On the daycare day, I would have thought she was UT for BT due to those two nice long naps, but then starting to get OT by the length of day. A sort of UT/OT loop. But than Saturday looks good albeit BT was a tad late after a 15mins nap, but you had that mammoth NW!
I'm also going to get some more eyes on this for you. I haven't seen NW's like this ever!! X
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Hi there,
Big, huge (((hugs))) for those awful NWs. You must be so tired. :( I agree with all Kelly has said... she seems pretty OT with long days. Are you able to do an earlier bedtime of say 6/7pm?
What happens when she's awake during the night? I mean, 5odd hrs is pretty crazy. Do you try and resettle her or do you get her up and play? She's an independent sleeper now isn't she?
Also wondering about this...
Does she have any tummy issues, i.e. food intolerances, reflux, anything that could be causing her discomfort? Is she currently teething? (Sorry if these things have already been covered, just thinking of what might be contributing factors.)
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Hi ya maybe it's badly written. The bracket shows how long she asleep. So 5 hrs is good. Yes she had another teeth pop through last night. The earliest I can get her to bed is 7.30? Maybe I should still persist with two sleep. Maybe she needs it.
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Ok, so not awake for 5hr, phew! But, still some long NWs. I'm guessing the teeth are part of the problem, but also routine. Do you give meds for teeth and if so, does that seem to make a difference?
I think I would keep one long and one cat nap for now until you can get her a bit evened out (esp as you can't really do an earlier BT). Then, as she catches up a bit, you can gradually push the long nap later and hopefully get a good 2hr+ one.
Maybe something like this...
Wake 6am
Nap 1 10:30-12pm
Nap 2 4-4:30pm
BT 7:30pm
What do you think?
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Yes exactly what I'm thinking. I struggle with the second sleep. She never settles with me in aft. Only time I get her to sleep is in the car.. I'll give it a go.
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I totally agree with Katie, think she needs to catch up. There was a lot of car trips in this house to force a quick cat nap. If you can do it, I think it'll be worth all the effort especially considering it's hard for you to do an EBT. Good luck x
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There was a lot of car trips in this house to force a quick cat nap. If you can do it, I think it'll be worth all the effort especially considering it's hard for you to do an EBT. Good luck x
Yes... here too! I would definitely APOP a CN to get to a decent BT.
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Hiya mummies,
Went to pediatrician today and she said baby is majorly teething at the moment. I never noticed :-[
Here is the last 3 day routine:
8/11/14 Saturday
WU 7.06am
Nap 10.55am - 12.21am Sleep (1hr25min)
Nap 4.35pm - 4.58pm Sleep (23min)
BT 7.55pm - 12.33am (4hr38min sleep)
NW 2.30am - 5.36am (3hr06min sleep)
9/11/14 Sunday
WU 5.36am
Nap 8.28am - 9.28am (1hr0min sleep)
Nap 3.15pm - 4.00pm (45min)
BT 7.25pm - 10.20am (2hr56min sleep)
NW 10.55am - 1.30am (2hr35min sleep)
NW 1.46am - 6.30am (4hr44min sleep)
10/11/14 Monday
WU 6.30am
Nap 10.00am - 11.23am (1hr23min sleep)
Nap 3.15pm - 4.00pm (45min)
BT 7.45pm - 9.15pm (1hr31min sleep)
NW 9.36pm - 12.42am (3hr06min sleep)
NW 1.15am - 6.05am (4hr50min sleep)
Lil miss is also rolling and sitting in cot. Every time I walk away she sits up and is happy and does not cry. Should I let her sit until she fusses and put her down? That way maybe she could learn to sit herself back down, or should I just place her back on her back every time I catch her sitting up?
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Don't worry, we all miss the signs! I had a very very grumpy DD and it took me a while to figure out it's teething! And I worked in the dental industry for 15+ yrs!!
I would leave her as long as she's not crying hun. She can get back down on her own ok now can't she? I'd also consider she may be UT for the nap if she's playing around at that time x
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I would leave her as long as she's not crying hun. She can get back down on her own ok now can't she? I'd also consider she may be UT for the nap if she's playing around at that time x
Agree! It could be OT as well if she's hit her second wind, but I think the first nap should be pushed out to 4hr minimum. The days she's not doing close to that you're getting an UT nap.
I think those nights look pretty normal for teething. Are you giving meds? (((Hugs))), teething is the pits!
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Hi ya back to being nightmare again.
Tonight she woke 1.26am. Which is pretty good. Was thinking might get one wake out of her... So I fed her and settled her to sleep. She kept tugging at her ear but slept none the less. Then 20min later I hear her whinge so I left her. Then it escalated and I found her sitting up again, so I gave her meds. She has two teeth cutting through. I put her down and walked away. And she was crying again, sitting up, so I kept pd walk out. After 5 min I was in the room as I'm thinking wi/wo is probably not going to cut it. She has hit some sort of sleep regression, me leaving room just sends her postal.
But by now she was postal and kept sitting up and I had to put her back down like 30 times and after 15 'in of this she finally laid down, after I kept tapping her bum. She slept 15min later, and I waited 15 min as she was still stirring. So yeah it's was like 3 o'clock and I'm like finally. Then hit 20min, wah wah. She awake again gah.
Omg. Wonder if I could get some sympathy from her if I cry too... Prob not. So now, it's nappy change, pd, tap on bum to calm, then back to sleep. Wonder if it's safe to go back to bed!
Fingers crossed
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Anyways I'm at a loss, if I can't leave the room, how can I ever get independent sleeper? Having said that she was independent fro like 3 weeks at 11 mth.
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That does sound like discomfort hun. Waking at 20mins is a classic sign. Might be worth a check in with your doctor to rule out an ear infection too if she keeps tugging on her ear. They are very common in teething lo's. Please don't worry. IME independent sleepers go back to being just that after illness and/or teething. Wi/wo would be more effective when she's not in pain x
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Yes, totally agree!^^^ TBH, when all of mine were/are teething and even when the baby's not, if a few times of WIWO doesn't seal the deal at a NW, I just set up camp on the floor and resettle that way (With this one, I keep a blanket for myself under the crib!) WIWO is exhausting in the MOTN, and I've never had a problem with IS just by being in the room with them when they resettle (esp during teething/illness). I did use WIWO with DD in the MOTN when she wasn't teething and then it was very effective and not so tiring. At least if you aren't sleeping, this way you're still lying on the floor. :P ;)
(((Hugs))), hope you get a catch up nap over the weekend!
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Hi so I've been drving her to sleep that last nap and medicating her with nurofen instead of panadol and bonjela and will do so until that teeth comes out.
How long should she nap all day. I make sure she get 2hr plus. yesterday was 2hr5min. So she now wakes 1.30pm (3 and half to 4 hours) . Takes an hour to get back to bed then sleep until 5. What causes ew again? why is she so awake in the morn? Last night she woke because she had big pooey. She wakes often at this time. Can I extend this? W2s at 11pm?
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She probably needs somewhere around 2-2.5hr of daytime sleep on two naps. Do you know if she tends to be on the lower or higher end of sleep needs?
What causes ew again? why is she so awake in the morn?
Could be OT, could be UT, could be teeth. :-\
She wakes often at this time. Can I extend this? W2s at 11pm?
Are you talking about the 1:30am waking? If you want to try w2s, you'd do it one hr before, so 12:30. It's interesting though, that's about 6hr after BT right? So, the meds are likely wearing off. I still think those long NW sound like teeth. You could try to give a dream med at 12:30 and use it kind of like a w2s and see if that helps. What do you think?
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dream meds . havent tried that before. Well she woke after 2hr tonight guessing its probably OT. slept 2hr5min today. Last wake was 4.40pm and bedtime 8.27pm. Do you think it's over tired. Anyways she was miss crankypants until I put her down.
Then she woke two hours later at around 1.30pm. She was sitting up and crying, but I've made it a point to ignore her for 10min in the middle of the night and within 3minute she was asleep but crouching since she hadn't figured out how to get down. I waited 20min while she was in deep sleep and then i transfer her into her back again. (Better than try settle her an hour) She slept til 5.30am.
I step in the right direction. Do you think it's better I leave her then she learns not to wake and sit up?
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I wouldn't ignore her if she wakes and is crying out for you. That's a version of CIO that Tracy believed broke the bond of trust between a LO and its caregiver. I would go to her and keep lying her back down. A version of pu/pd for older babies where you only lie them back down but don't pick them up. Go to leave, then if she cries out return to her and either lie her back down again or ssh/pat if she's already lying down.
How long was that last nap? Mine wouldn't be able to do 4hrs last A unless it was a really good nap beforehand (like 1.5hrs). If you're going for a shorter pm nap I would do BT around 3-3.5hrs later max, but it's trial and error to find out what suits your LO best whether they prefer a shorter or longer A to bed.
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Good news kellyj. Mini got over her hump and no longer teething or sick and she has been self settling and sleeping through the night for last week. Yah. Anyways touch wood. The last few nights she was a little bit more unsettled at bt. I feel a wonderweek coming on.
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Great news hun, long may it continue! I hate ww, we're in one too atm x