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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: *foxy* on October 13, 2014, 06:20:52 am
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Hi
DS is 4mo. I've been posting on the CRC board as he was being treated for reflux since 9wo but didn't respond to any meds - tried Gaviscon, ranitidine and and omeprazole. I found an LC who came and did a tongue tie assessment, diagnosed a severe one and snipped it then and there. That was 2 days ago.
For the last 10 weeks DS has been short napping (30-40 mins) and waking 8,9,10 times in the night, every night. Sometimes every 45 mins. Usually starts in his cot and ends up next to me as he wakes so often. I can resettle him by either feeding back to sleep or he sucks on my finger, cuddles, patting etc. There is also usually a period of long NW of about 1-1.5 hours around 4.30/5am. He'll go back to sleep for 40 mins, then he's up for the day. He's not an independent sleeper due to the suspected reflux, I have been APOPing all naps. BT is usually around 6/6.30pm depending on how his naps have been. There isn't an EASY routine as I just couldn't stick to it - he changed every day and it was stressing me out.
I have tried a dairy and soya free diet for a month. It didn't make a difference. Now back on diary and soya and there's no difference either.
I'm talking to the GP today about PPD meds as I feel low and exhausted most of the time.
I'm hoping the TT division will help long term but he's an older baby and has learnt bad habits. I need to try to sort this mess out as Im losing my mind and getting more tearful as it's just horrendous every night. Can anyone help me with where to start with this? Im so tired I can't think straight, Im just trying to make it through each day. I have an older dd who's at school so there's school drop offs and pick ups each day to factor in too.
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Big big hugs Kate, you've been through an awful lot :(. I'm here to hold your hand through it hun :-*
First of all, I think it's important to get you sorted. Sleep training can be hard work and it's important that you are in as good a place as you can be, though I appreciate you will be tired. Second will anyone be available to help out with DD for a few days while you get started? It will I imagine be pretty tricky to deal with both if you are trying to alter some AP habits.
Third does your gut instinct tell you DS is as comfortable as he can be? Do you feel like there's anything unresolved from a discomfort point of view that needs addressing? Just asking because as you know sleep training is pointless if LO is in pain, but you are there and know best and if your gut says this is all habit now, then you can definitely get started.
It would help if you could post a recent day or two, just as a starting point. Maybe just keep track for the next two days. Don't worry if it seems all over the place, that's fine :). When you say you are APing all naps what are you doing? Holding? Shh pat to sleep? Just affects how you might approach the sleep training :)
What time are your school runs while we think about a routine?
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Thanks Katherine. I need all the support I can get!
Last night he was squirmy and squeaked a few times as if in discomfort so yes I have a feeling that there is still some unresolved discomfort there. And he was gassy - but his latch is still shallow so maybe it's still to do with bad habits from the TT? The LC said with older babies it takes longer to change how they feed. We are on the paediatricians waiting list but it might be another 3 weeks until we get an appointment.
For naps he feeds/sucks to sleep with me holding him.
For the school run we leave the house at 8.30am back just after 9. For pick up we leave at 3pm back at about 3.30/45
Last week we kind of had a routine ish. He'd have a nap around 7.45am for 30/40 mins. Then another at 9.30am for 2 hours (with 3 WU's) then another at 1.30ish for 40mins then another around 4.15 for 30 mins. BT 6.15/30pm. The weekend has messed that up what with the LC coming at 10am etc. on Saturday.
He fell asleep in the car on the way home from school - it's like 3 mins away (raining badly here!) now he's asleep next to me (9.10am) he's very tired. My mum can come and help but she's 2.5 hours away so it's quite a big thing. My DP's parents are quite close so I could ask them to help if needed.
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Kate, big hugs first of all. I don't have personal experience but I do have a friend (near you, I think!) whose baby had severe tongue tie also. He has had it cut several times as it grew back. I wanted to tell you this so that you factor it in to your thoughts. Maybe it is just worth working on feeding and checking that the tie doesn't recur for now?
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Hmmm, it's hard to know what to do, I can feel how desperate you are to get started with sorting this out but if he's still not right......really it's not fair to expect him to learn too much yk? Is the LC helping you with feeding/positioning and latch? I wonder if you wanted to do something whether you could very gently start to try to break the sucking to sleep association using the gentle removal plan? Gentle Removal Plan It doesn't feel like the right point yet to be doing anything too drastic, what do you think?
Routine wise although he's tired, you may need to get pushing the A times a little and try to just have three naps unless they are all a complete disaster. He may well be uncomfortable at night and waking because of that, but too many sleeps/too short A time really won't help the situation either. It will be hard to increase though because he will be tired from his broken nights, but probably you need to get to at least 1h45 or so if not 2h. It's good you can resettle him :). Overall I'm wondering if you could aim for him to fall asleep on the school run around 9ish for his first nap (will he transfer?) and then if it's a long one do the second one at 12.30/1ish, to be awake for the school pickup, then a catnap in the evening if he needs one? If it's a short one then down for second nap earlier and hope for a longer 2-2.5h one?
Something like:
WU 7, nap 9-10.30, nap 12.30-2/2.30, CN around 4.30, BT 6.30/7
Or WU 7, nap 9-10.15, nap 12-2/2.30?
What about trying to roughly establish a routine first then focus on the independent sleeping afterwards once you've seen the paediatrician?
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A routine would be nice so that I can at least plan things - I don't get out and that's having an affect on my mood. I feel very isolated.
So if he wakes at 4.30/5am and is up for 1/1.5 hours. Is that bc he's UT? He's so tired by 6pm. Then goes to sleep for 40 mins - he usually wakes around 6.30am. It just makes that first A time too long do you think? I can't get him to sleep at 8.30 even if we walk to school as it's so noisy once we get there that he naps for about 10 mins and is woken up. And obviously if we drive I have to get him out to walk DD in. A 2.5 hour A time is a bit much after a broken night do you think?
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Hugs Hun, you need to get out and look after yourself, I know it's probably the last thing you feel like doing but it's not good being so isolated. Can friends come to you if it all feels too much leaving the house at the moment?
I see your dilemma in the mornings, really to get to a nap post-9am he needs to be waking at 7am or later and ideally without that horrible EW. Ugh, they are the pits. Especially when LO goes back off for 40 mins or so, it kind of works like the first nap so sets off a horrible short A times/short naps spiral (again). I don't know that UT is the issue, we had those wakings when DS was cutting his first two teeth so I wonder if discomfort is part of it.
I guess you could grit your teeth a bit and push him to stay awake until you get back from the school run. Can't imagine it will be pretty, you'll almost certainly get a short nap, but then perhaps you could do around 1h30 A time after it and you might get a long one? Really not sure what your alternative is if he won't sleep on the school run....unless you get up and start your day at 6am? Earlier BT 5/5.30pm and just do the whole thing earlier? Just throwing some ideas out there for you to consider x
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Thanks Katherine. He's asleep now (6.40pm) had a 30 min CN at 4.30-5pm, on me - he woke up as soon as I tried putting him down. With DD around its hard spending too much time getting him to sleep as she wants some mummy time after school and is also hungry! Even if I give her food before I try to put him down - she eats all evening! Maybe I give her a platter?! My point it is - she comes to find me if Im gone too long and wakes DS up.
I'll have a look at the gentle removal plan as Im sure some of it is he doesn't know how to self settle when he comes out of a sleep cycle. He's woken 40 mind after BT. Have him calpol before bed just incase he's still sore from the TT division.
I'll see what time he wakes in the morning. Maybe I try some more calpol or some gripe water if it's discomfort that's keeping him awake. He seems agitated at that time of the night. If he wakes 6.30/7 I'll try getting him through until we're back from the school run. He actually deals with being tired pretty well as long as he's being held. Then we'll see how that first nap goes. Thanks so much for your help
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Let me know how you go, will be here to hold your hand xx
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Lots of (((hugs))). Did they give you exercices for the TT? My DS had a very severe posterior TT that only one Dr (expert in TT) could finaĺly fix. It took 3 tries before that and the différence in his feeding was immédiate. Maybe see the LC again or if you can find a specialised TT dentist or Dr?
I know it sounds really weird but for my DS the 5AM Wake ups were always due to digestive discomfort. Never knew why exactly but I guess some final stage of digestion was happening at that time?
For us, probiotics really help helped and also removing the foods he was intolerant to. Gripe water might help as you were suggesting.
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Thanks Elise. The LC has advised about feeding him differently - the latch etc and said to get him chewing things and sucking things to keep his tongue moving. You an see he can definitely move it more now.
I'm waiting for my order of probiotics - hoping they will arrive in the next couple of days. I think it's his tummy - he's still quite gassy. I'm hoping that will change as his feeding improves and he stops swallowing so much air. He is less squirmy but it hasn't completely resolved.
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So BT was 6.40pm it's now 10pm and he has already woken up 5 times - the thing is, that's not unusual!...............I need a break!!
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Well we had an awful start and an awful end to the night but the middle was pretty good! :o
He slept from 11pm until 3.45am which is really good for him. Very gassy when he woke up - it was shocking and did a poo and was up until 5.30 ::) but that longer stretch was encouraging - no idea why he did it.
Woke at 6.30am. He fell asleep again in the car on the way home from dropping DD at school (8.50) I scooped him up and he's now in bed. We'll see how long the nap is..........
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His 1st nap was an hour, then 3 30 min naps. He wouldn't resettle. So the routine didn't go to plan today. Hopefully the night won't be too bad
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How'd it go? Xx
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Hi
Um. Same as usual really. He woke 4 times between 6.45 and 10, then 11, 1 (I lost count after that) and was awake at 5-6.15. Slept 6.15-7.30. It was nice him sleeping until 7.30.
Just put him down for a nap now (9.30) hoping for a long one maybe?
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Hmmm. 30 min nap. Won't resettle. 1 hr 30 min A time? I hate short naps! They make me feel so stuck - watching the clock all the time, rushing to get things done. The nights are hard enough as it is!
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Yes I'd try around 1h30 x
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I'm trying the gentle removal plan but he's desperate to suck to sleep. Im encouraging him to use his thumb - is that ok? Then I'm not the prop? He's more settled early evening. Only had one wake up between 7 and 11.45! Then he was up every 1.5-2 hours and awake from 5.15-6.45. I'm trying to be positive that there's some change!
Naps have been difficult. DD fell onto her mouth at school and her front teeth have been pushed back - bit of a mess really so had to get her to the dentist and back to school. It messed up DS's 'routine' he ended up with a 2.5 hour A time. It's hard fitting his naps around DD's schedule. Especially when he's short napping
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Any ideas why he might still be doing a long NW? It's usually around 4.30/5 for 1-1.5 hours. Last night it was 2.30-4am.
I think he's gradually settling down. He's doing 7-9pm which is nice. Then last night I think it was 9-1 then 1-2.30. Awake 2.30-4 then up at 6.15. That's good for us!
Naps still a bit random. He did a 1hr 20min nap in the morning yesterday. I resettled. But I never know if he's going to do short ones (usually) or pull a long one so consistency isn't happening really. I'm trying not to let him get OT but it can be difficult when we need to get out - he's too interested in what's going on around him. But he did nap in the sling for 45/50 mins after falling asleep in the car and I could transition him - he went back to sleep ok.
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Glad the nights are starting to get better. What's his EASY (don't worry it will look messy with short naps)? Long NWs are often discomfort, UT or possibly developmental. How many naps is he having typically?
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Hi
His WU time changes every day so I can't say we have much of an EASY going on atm.
Today it was WU 6.15am
E 6.15
A 6.15 - 8
S 8-9.30 (resettled after 40 mins)
E 9.30
A 9.30-11.30 (fell asleep in the car)
S 11.30-11.40 (DD woke him up) tried to resettle in the sling for 40 mins but wouldn't fall completely asleep
E 1
A 11.40- 1.20
S 1.20- 2
E 2
A 2-4.30
S 4.30-5
E 5
A 5-6.30
S + E 6.30-6.45
He does feed/suck to sleep so he takes a small feed then too if we are at home. I struggle to feed him properly when we are out even sitting in the back of the car. He's too distracted.
During the week it's more
WU between 6.15 and 6.30 maybe
Nap 9/9.15 (30-40 mins)
Nap 11.30 (30-40 mins)
Nap 1.30 (30-40 mins)
Nap 4 ish (30 mins) doesn't always settle
BT 6.30 ish
At the weekend as I don't have the school run and he doesn't get so OT for that first nap he seems to resettle after 40 mins and I can get a 1hr 20-30 min nap.
He's been doing long NW's for ages - weeks and weeks. I thought it was discomfort. It could still be?? I can't see it being UT as his naps aren't great during the day.
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It could definitely still be discomfort, he might be better overall but something still bothering him enough to disturb him in the lighter sleep hours? Or do you notice any correlation between when the NWs happen (as in what time) and what naps were like?
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Hmmmm. I don't think so. It's usually around 5am he'll wake up properly and won't settle again for ages. One night it was 2.30-4 and I can't think what was different. He was back to a WU at 4.45-6 his morning and then was up at 7.15. I don't know what it is. We have so many problems with his sleep that it gets a bit confusing. The weird thing is is that although it's still really awful, it's kind of becoming our normal. It'd be weird (and wonderful) if we had a good night.
I think I need to gently work on getting him to self settle or at least think about self settling maybe? I've looked at the gentle removal plan. I'd love it if someone else could get him to sleep.
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Ugh. He's woken 5 times since BT at 6.30. His tummy sounds gurgly and he hasn't done a poo today which is unusual for him. I had hoped we were turning a corner but we seem to be back to where we started ???
I started him on probiotics a few days ago - he had very runny poos the last couple of days. I haven't given him any today. Can probiotics cause diarrohea?
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Sorry hun I don't know, no experience with probiotics here :(. Perhaps ask over on the reflux board? Just remind me, where are you at with meds/diet etc? Is he off all meds and you on a normal diet at the moment? How's his latch right now?
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Also, when he's awake for that hour/hour and a half, what is he doing? Is he upset?
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Hi
Yes. Off all meds and Im back on a normal diet as there seemed to be no difference with either of them. His poos arent mucosy, just runny. And that's only been since Friday. Before that they were normal.
When he's awake during the night, he's just awake, like it's his daytime. He's quite vocal. DP took him off me for an hour at 4.30 this morning (keeping it subdued and dark and quiet) and DS went back to sleep quite quickly when he brought him back. Im just wondering if it's something tummy related - Im not sure what though!
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I hate to say it but even though naps aren't great, they sound like UT night wakings :-\ as in, not consistently having enough A time in one good chunk to help him to sleep soundly. We were getting similar until very recently, especially on nights after a four nap day. DS was ill and teething also, but it has only been since I've pushed his A times quite a bit that the chatty vocal NWs have stopped....at least for now! I know we were due the same day so if it helps, DS is now pushing 2h30 A time when rested :o seems like a high A kind of boy, you might not need to go that far but I wonder if pushing him a bit would help?
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I think probiotics can cause diarrhea if too large a dose is used at the beginning, have you started with a very small dose and gradually increased?
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Thanks Katherine. I had a feeling that was the case. So today he woke at 6.30. Fell asleep in the pushchair at 9 for 45 mins. 2nd nap at 12 for 30 mins. 3rd nap at 2 for 30 mins. Trying for a 4th but he's not really settling. How does that look? I did 1.5 hour A between 2nd and 3rd nap as he was really tired.
Thanks Elise. I just followed the instructions to give him one sachet a day. They are for babies and infants. He had three days of a full sachet then 2 days of half we're now on the second day of none. I'll see how tonight goes. No proper poo today with me but DP said he did a big runny one first thing.
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Sounds pretty good hun, I know it's tricky while the morning is a little out of your control. What time are you going to do BT? I've chanced 5pm with DS on a very bad nap day, usual is 6/6.30pm x
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He did eventually settle for that 4th nap. Had about 20 mins. Thing is he slept until 5.15pm and BT is usually 6.30pm ish. It's almost like he's ready for bed about 4.30/5pm and ready for the day at 4.30/5am. He's never happy after waking from the last nap. Not sure how to fix that and the clocks go back on Sunday!
I would try resettling when he wakes after the last nap but poor DD needs her tea and my attention after school! Maybe he'd resettle quickly? Guess it's worth a try? I'd be worried he'd be awake even earlier though! He's yawning his head off now
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Yes I find the end of the day a bit of a disaster usually, but DD needs her dinner and some attention and then before you know it it's her bath time etc....
I think it's worth trying the early BT one day, in fact I read somewhere recently if you're considering whether to do a late nap or an early bedtime you should always choose the latter. I mean, I can't see him getting up for the day before 5am, his body clock should manage that much, and maybe a longer night would give you a more rested baby to start the day with and try to push the A times a bit? Maybe try it on a Friday night so you aren't worryinng about school routine etc and can resettle if needed on the Saturday?
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He could've probably done with a EBT tonight really. It's half term next week so no school runs! And we're at my mum and dads so I can concentrate on DS's sleep a bit more. He's taken ages to settle. And then woke 10 mins after I'd put him down.
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Hugs hun, you are doing such a good job xx
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Thank you :) I needed to hear that. Feel like such a mess sometimes and that I should be doing more
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What you *need* to do is just be you, that's more important to DS than anything else :-* I bet he doesn't think you're a mess xx
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Thank you. I will :)
He was slightly more settled last night. We only got 3 WU's between 7 and 10. Woke at 4.30 - did a poo so changed him and he went back to sleep pretty quickly. Then he was up at 5.40 (another poo) and wouldn't settle so DP got up with him. Then he napped from 7.10-7.45.
He's now sleeping after a 2 hour A time. I'm going to try to get a longer nap if I can.
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Good luck hun, holding your hand x
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Things are pretty much the same really. Although last night he did a 3.5 hour stretch which was nice. We've done EBT's 6.30pm and 6pm last night as he wouldn't settle for that last nap at 4.30pm ish. He still woke for an hour between 5.40-7 and 4.50-5.50 last night.
His diarrohea has cleared up and his poo had gone back to normal but this afternoon he did a poo that was full of mucous and didn't smell. I wouldn't have known he'd done one unless I'd seen/heard him do it. Is that food intolerance?
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We had to go to a+e last night. He's fine but I think I had a panic attack. Didn't her home until 11.30. He was amazing considering it was so late. What to do today? We might be driving up to my parents so he could have a long nap in the car to catch up a bit. He slept until 7am - still with NW's but no long NW which was nice.
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I'd just play it by ear, there's the time change to deal with too ;). Sorry about the trip to A&E though, hope he's ok now? Mucousy poops can be due to intolerances but DS gets them when teething or ill with a cold/virus too.
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He's fine thanks Katherine - he likes to keep us on our toes! Normal poo this morning so that's reassuring. Slightly random naps today. We'll just see how tonight goes. Like you say, it's the time change tomorrow too
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Thinking of you and hope today went ok?
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Hi. Sorry for late reply. Didn't end up driving up to my parents - we were too shattered after being in A+E until midnight. Things pretty much the same really. Still getting the awful long waking from 4-5am. I don't know why he does it! It's the same no matter what his naps are like. I'm guessing discomfort?? Still waking lots. Still short naps. Trying to feed him more during the day to see if that helps. Just waiting for the paediatrician appointment on the 22nd to see if he can she's any light on things. I know he relies on me to get back to sleep so Im under no illusion that I need I change that. Im just so tired!!
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:( :( was hoping things may have settled for you a bit. Sorry to hear it's still bad. It does sound like discomfort somewhere doesn't it? You'd think if it was *just* tiredness he'd crash at some point? What's the longest stretch you're getting at night?
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3 hours at night - not always but he can do that much. For the first time in a long time he wasn't wide awake from 4-5am last night. No idea why! He was wriggly and a bit unsettled but wasn't lying there blowing raspberries! I hope it wasn't just a fluke. Naps were as normal - about 30-40 mins x 4.
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Saw the paed yesterday. DS is back on omeprazole - the max dose and Im back on a dairy free diet. Last night was awful. He fed every hour and then was awake from 4.20-6.30! Guess there's not a huge amount I can do until he's more comfortable
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Hi. Hugs to you!
I have had three reflux babies. LO #3 was the worst and the best thing I did was see a naturopath. With modern medicine and her help to find lots of food sensitives snd a drastic diet change on my behalf we were able to successfully treat him
Hth
Chantel
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Hi Chantel. How did the naturopath rest for food intolerances? How old was your LO when you did that? And we they weaned when you had them tested?
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He was 5 weeks and it's called electro dermal testing. Completely painless. He's now 6 months and I have reintroduced most most items except for dairy
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Ok thanks. I'll look into it. Was your LO intolerant to quite a few things then? DS is so gassy at around 4am and is awake for ages - it's killing me!
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Tons of stuff! Theme of it all was a yeast imbalance between us. Went paleo and did a candida cleanse. He's doing really good now
We also did craniosacral therapy
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Wow that's hardcore. Glad it worked for you.
I put him down for his last nap at 4.40 - he usually has 30 mins but it's getting on for 50 now. Do I wake him?! This is the child who never stays asleep!!
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Sorry Kate just seen this - what did you do?
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I woke him after an hour. Im just terrified of him being up for the day at 4am - he kind of is anyway but I didn't know if it'd give us an even worse night. No idea if that was the right thing to do or not! But he needed his meds and getting ready for bed so I did it.
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Hoping the night was ok, or at least no worse than normal. We were up at 5.30 here too so feel your pain x
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Made no difference really. It was still awful! It must be his tummy still that's making him so unsettled. I'm really hoping my DF diet will help soon! Although I tried it before and it didn't :(
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Did you ever do the combo of dairy free plus effective reflux meds before? If not it may not have made a difference on its own....
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He was on ranitidine and then a low dose of omeprazole when I was DF last time so no, he wasn't on effective reflux meds at the same time. I really hope it helps this time!
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Hi. He's waking every 2 hours until about 4am when he's still staying awake for about an hour - I guess it's still discomfort? It's tough. I could actually deal with waking every 2 hours but that with a long NW on top is too much!!
I'm trying to fit his naps around school drop off and pick up. So he unfortunately has a long first A time which of course leads to a short nap. Today I managed to resettle him and he had 1.5 hours. Usually it 9.30-10.10, then 11.30/45-12.10/25, then 1.30/45-2.10/25 then 4.30-5 although he's not really wanted that last nap - I can get him to sleep but he wakes up as soon as I put him down. I'm not sure the A times are quite long enough but I'm trying to squeeze them in before the school pick up otherwise he's miserable.
Today has been 9.15-10.45, and he's just gone to sleep for the second nap at 1pm. Trying to get as long a nap as I can.
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What are your drop-off and pick up times? Just wondering if we could rejig things a bit to at least get you some decent A times and three naps rather than four? I'm not sure the short As are helping your nights now....
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Hi. Managed 2 1.5 hour naps yesterday - 9.15-10.45 and 1-2.30. I had to be there throughout to make sure he stayed asleep. He wouldn't settle for the last nap so had a really long last A time but seemed ok. Last night was as usual - awake 1 hour after BT then every 2 hours and then up 4.30-5.30 (quite gassy), then awake at 6 resettled until 6.40.
Drop off is 8.50 so we leave the house at 8.30. He's awake between 6.15am and 6.30am usually. Pick up is 3.15 so I leave at 3.
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He shouldn't be far off managing 2h30-45 A time now so I guess if WU stays at 6.30ish you should be able to get him down for nap one when you get back from the preschool run. Great that you got a 1.5h nap, the A time can't have been far wrong :). So if you did something like 9/9.15-10.30/45 then 1/1.15 to 2.30/45 then a CN at 5ish? Possibly just a case of riding it out a bit longer until he can handle those A times consistently?
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Thanks Katherine. That would he great if he could do that. I'll try and aim for it. He managed 1hr 15 all on his own today! I didn't have to resettle after 40 mins. :))
He wouldn't nap again at 4.30pm. He'd had a 30 min nap, 2-2.30pm so had a 2 hour A time but just kept grinning at me. Kept him up and he was fine! He had a bath etc. BT was 6.30! He woke after 1hr 20 hungry.
He's still awake at 4.20am though and is so unsettled - think that's discomfort though.
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Hi. DS is now waking at around 5/5.30, today it was 5.40! Lots of NW's still. I think a lot of it is due to him needing me to get back to sleep or he likes sleeping next to me. I'd like to start gentle sleep training but not sure how to go about it? Currently he feeds to sleep or he'll suck on my finger whilst I hold him.
He has a very long first A time. His first nap isn't until 9am! Then he's having a 1.5-2 hour nap (with my help) 2nd nap is around 1/1.30. He had 1hr 15 mins yesterday, I had to wake him up for the school run :( I then try a CN at about 4.30/5 but he doesn't usually settle which means he's OT at BT.
How does that look? It's not ideal I know. It'd be great if he'd wake a bit later first thing. Could it be that OT at BT? He's always gassy and then does a poo at 5/5.30am
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Naps look ok, pity about the CN though. Can you invent a reason to be out in the car? If not, can you get him into bed for 5.30/6pm? I would guess that OT is likely to be a factor in the early WU.
Sleep training wise, does he respond to shh pat? Have you ever had a look at Pantleys gentle removal plan?
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Hi. Managed to get a CN in today :) for 40 mins. He seems really tired so BT is 6.15pm. We'll see if it helps at all.
I've had a look at the gentle removal plan - I'll look again and maybe start doing that. He likes his bottom being patted but is desperate to suck to help settle him.
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Does he have a lovey or perhaps could you start to introduce one? DS sucks his thumb but also sucks on the corners of a comfort blanket.
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Yes. We could introduce one definitely. I need to get him to suck his thumb more again I think. He does do it occasionally but prefers boob or my little finger. He's also much happier sleeping next to me which is another not so great habit!
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He's been wide awake since 4.30. I just want to cry! :(
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Ugh that sucks :( :( was that with the CN yesterday? You know just wondering if some 3-2 silliness isn't helping you right now?
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Yes, that's with the CN yesterday. Is this the age that can happen? It's tough with the school run being at 3pm too
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DD was done with the 3-2 by this age, DS could probably do it with a push ;)
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So yesterday had had 2 1.5 hour naps. BT was 6.45pm. He did his usual NW's and then was up at 5.20am, did a poo etc. Had a nap at 7.15-7.50. Then 9.30-10.55 then 1-2.45 (had to wake him up for the school run) He managed really well with the long A time before bed. Just wish he'd wake a bit later in the morning!
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That's not so bad hun, hoping the night went ok xxx
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Well he's had really acidic poos he last couple days which have given him bad nappy rash :( and then yesterday afternoon he did a really mucousy poo so last night wasn't good. He woke at 1.45am and didn't settle again until 3. Then woke again at 4.30-5. And was up at 5.40 so not good! I'm wondering if wheat might be a problem too. Seeing the paed tomorrow
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Oh no :(. Teething? Glad you are seeing the doctor soon though, might they suggest trying a hypo-allergenic formula? How do you feel about that?
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If Im honest, Im happy to try it. It'd be nice to have my body back :) I love breastfeeding but Im so exhausted - I'm ill with a cold and 2 horrible mouth ulcers :( I can't take anything or use anything really effective for my ulcers bc of breastfeeding and the thought of cutting wheat too just makes me feel overwhelmed! It'd be nice to have someone else feed him. I think it will take a lot of persistence to get him to take it but I'd give it a good go if the paed suggests it. And I think he'll suggest early weaning too - DS is very interested!
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Sounds like a good plan all round hun x