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Title: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Shiv52 on January 25, 2015, 21:06:03 pm
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18 month sleep regression support thread - Part 2

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Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: MarciaMSPT on February 13, 2015, 22:06:21 pm
Yes, definitely console her.  She needs this.  My little guy (now almost 20 months) was a champion sleeper too until about 2 months ago - things are calming down, canines have sprouted and now maybe molars are knocking but all in all things are getting better (and we're in California for 1.5 weeks - on a 3 hour time change taboot!)  My little guy sometimes wakes up in the night and resettles but at times, has that desperate cry - I usually wait a few minutes to see if the regular cry wanes - but I don't waste any time getting to him with his frantic cry.  He usually gets back to sleep very easily.  He's been waking a bit with the painful cry too - so am just having to figure what cry needs what.  We're going on 2 months with the 18 month sleep regression but it is getting better and just today I put him down fully awake for his nap with not a peep.  And he slept through the night last night.  This California sun is to thank I'm sure!  :) 
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: MarciaMSPT on February 20, 2015, 18:32:09 pm
UPDATE - this does pass mama's!  We are back from California and my little guy who is 20 months now adjusted to the 3 hour time change in 1 day!  Amazing, but the best part... he now goes down for a nap when I tell him (OK, W, in 10 minutes it's sleepy time etc)  I set a timer and when it buzzes, he knows it's time.  I sing two songs with him, pray with him, tell him I Love him and that I'll be here when he wakes up and then I put him down... ready for the best part???  Then he's been saying, "Bye-bye mama."  Night time is just as good (so far) but I don't get any farewells. 

So, hang in there moms - our regression lasted on a semi-rough scale with canines coming in (all in now and working on two year molars now) for about 2 months... seemed I could bear two months but then it seems to be over (till the next one!)

Hugs to you and encouragement too!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: KookyK on March 02, 2015, 19:52:04 pm
Glad to hear this Marcia my 18.5m old us waking so early and up at the crack of dawn and it's breaking me!!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: LittleMiwi on June 07, 2015, 21:04:39 pm
Hi all? I've just discovered the 18 months sleep regression! What a fun  :o
Marta always slept well. Now she skips nap, cries at night, wakes up too early, canines are arriving.
Try the WI/WO but she is desperate, she sobs, weeps. The only thing that works is to stay in the room near the bed. DO you think that that could became an habit or that if I stay with her during the phase in a couple of weeks it will pass?
What about the morning? When she wakes up she want s to come in our bed: Hoe can I deal with it?
Also. Hoe can you survive with only 5 hours sleeping??  ::)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: MasynSpencerElliotte on June 12, 2015, 12:16:36 pm
Coffee is my trick for survival on no sleep!

I would for sure stay by the crib to help calm her...I always revert to that or even a snuggle when things go crazy and she always goes back to independent sleep afterwards.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on June 29, 2015, 20:56:46 pm
Joining the club  :-\ in case I get disconected or post half a post,sorry ladies,this new phone is crazy.

Anyways,same here mamas. Ew, this morning it was 4am. Wont go to sleep unless someone is in the room holding her hand. Wi/wo is not working because she gets histerical, I was wondering if this is a prop thing,but I think not. She seems ut all the time and almost never in a deep sleep. She's been like this for a while so hoping its not going tk be much more.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jay2512 on July 02, 2015, 19:22:07 pm
Need of some help too!!
Little girl is 18months and I think is going through SR which seems to be lasting ages! She is teething too.
At the moment I am having battles with her single day nap (between 1 and 1.30ish although often after 2pm by the time she falls asleep) and bed time. I'm using the walk in/walk out method to try and get her to sleep. Bed time is around 7-7.30pm, although again ends up being later by the time she falls asleep. Even with this she ends up having about a 20min nap and is waking up twice in the middle of the night!
Is this something that will go away by itself or do I need to tweek her day?
Surely she can't be getting too much sleep with this much wake time?!
I'm not sure this is teething related as is playful during the day and not needing meds. It's just her sleep and doesn't want to be left alone.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on July 03, 2015, 11:26:36 am

Do you mean SA? At first I thought it was SA too, because I was away for 2 nights. But that usually fixes itself with in a few days. So I know it`s the   the 18 month sleep regression. From what you wrote I  think you are there too.
What time does she wake up in the morning? If she falls asleep easily at 2, Id push the nap there to see if that makes any difference. Also, she can be over tiered because she only has 20 minute naps. That might be the reason why she is waking at night.
If you think that she is teething, can you try teething gel to see if it makes any difference?

When I think that she is OT or needs a bit more sleep to catch up, I apop her :) 
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jay2512 on July 03, 2015, 19:12:23 pm
aah thanks..... Joining the club too with sleep regression here. It's funny as never had to deal with this with my eldest daughter at this age or that I can remember so it couldn't have been all that bad.

Since this has all started my 18 month old has been waking up earlier than her usual which was about 7am. Now it's nearer to 6am. I've been frightened to push the day nap later as she is so so exhausted by midday.... She lies on the floor in her sleeping position with her comforter...it's whenever I try and put her to sleep in her cot, she just doesn't want me to leave, regardless of the time I put her down. I try and stay with her but it's very difficult with my 3 year old providing a distraction for her. I've only managed to get her back to sleep after a short nap on one occasion. She doesn't fall asleep later in the day say in the car or pushchair, so I try and put her to bed early. Funny thing is, she'll happily nap at nursery! Slept for 2.5 hours there today so let's see what happens tonight! I can only assume it's because she is sleeping in a room full of children!

Will give the APOP a try. Will this become a habit though?

Tried the teething meds before and it doesn't have an impact on her ability to go to sleep or the duration of sleep or NW.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on July 03, 2015, 20:53:54 pm
I`m sure it`s much harder when you have another lo running around, wanting attention and providing destruction.
How about putting her down for a nap earlier? Sometimes if dd is OT this works, and it`s only for one day, so she can catch up on her sleep, so no need to worry about EWs.

For me, apop means have her on my chest while she is asleep (only if she is very, very upset or is sick), or stay with her while she goes to sleep in the crib, while I have my hand on her chest. Until now every time the GS or WW was over she would go back to sleeping independently.
Now she has some days when she goes back to sleep on her own, but often she needs someone in there with her.
In the morning she wakes anywhere between 3 and 7. We manage to get her back to sleep if she wakes before 6, but if she wakes after that it`s almost impossible. As Heidi said, lots of coffee. :) And patience, this too shell pass.

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: cath~ on July 04, 2015, 12:17:17 pm
Hi all!

And ((hugs))

Argh! We've hit this too now ::) :(

Just been trying to get H to nap for an hour now. Just outside her door. So frustrating!! She's def tired after lots of NWs last night and has been yawning all morning so I don't think it's an A time issue. She always nods off for naps in just a few minutes. She just can't wind down today. This is soooo frustrating!

Will be back later to read and post properly when I'm not standing in a doorway. :P
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on July 05, 2015, 17:21:47 pm
 I guess this is the next birth club after 12-18 :)
How did it go Cath?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jay2512 on July 06, 2015, 12:28:44 pm
So the night after a 2hr long nap at nursery, little one actually slept through the night!

Next day, was able to extend her day nap with APOP as suggested, she had about an hr asleep all be it interupted. Still woke up twice that night.

Today got up at 5.45am  :(  and got her down for a nap now... Let's see what happens.

She must be overtired.
Hope this all passes soon. Fingers x
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on July 06, 2015, 18:52:28 pm
We had an allnighter here  :-\ bt was fine, but afrer midnight chaos. Even milk did not help. She is teething too. Tonight my mum is doing bt and she is still in therenwith her. Im getting tiered of this
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: cath~ on July 21, 2015, 08:13:14 am
Hi ladies

Sorry I haven't been back.  It's been a bit confusing actually trying to work out what is developmental and what is just due to teething (canines)!  We're getting EWs so she's a bit of an OT grumpy mess :(

How are you guys doing?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: dache on July 21, 2015, 18:41:31 pm
 ::) :-[ :'( >:( ???  >:( >:( >:( I was rocking her for an hour on the balcony last night, at 2am.
She was doing ok but now it`s hot-45C. We have "tropical nights" as they say on the news, meaning no one is sleeping unless they have the AC on 24h a day.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jay2512 on July 30, 2015, 18:18:28 pm
That's is tough! Not much improvement here.

Trying a few new things..
1) considering she always sleeps at nursery with all the other children, I've moved the cot into her sisters room!
2) put up a big picture of mummy and daddy on the wall so that each time she asks for us she can see we are always there!😉

Let's see what happens hey!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: cath~ on August 03, 2015, 09:46:38 am
Trying a few new things..
1) considering she always sleeps at nursery with all the other children, I've moved the cot into her sisters room!
2) put up a big picture of mummy and daddy on the wall so that each time she asks for us she can see we are always there!😉

did these help at all?


45C
yikes!  that's really hot.

Not much change here either but I think most of her troubles are due to teething ATM.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jay2512 on August 05, 2015, 19:22:43 pm
So from my last post, I tried co sleeping little one with her elder sister for a week and it didn't make a difference. Still woke up 2-3 times! I've put them back into their own rooms as she was disturbing the elder one so much so that the older one was needing day naps again.

I think the picture of mummy and daddy has helped a little. Although still waking up at night she seems to be settling in the room without me better.

Am beginning to think that we might just need to ride this one out! :(

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on October 29, 2015, 18:15:00 pm
We hit this around 17.5 mo... now DS is 18 mo. Anyone here for support/tips/etc...? Did this last less than 2 months for anyone?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: cath~ on October 31, 2015, 08:48:07 am
Hi ginger

I think with dd2 it was more like 4-6 wks of developmental stuff but then we had canine teething continuing so the dodgy sleep period lasted a bit longer. But it was different when it was "just" teething.

I'd say just hang in there and try to get through it as best you can giving lo extra but as little as possible reassurance when needeD.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on November 08, 2015, 06:37:59 am
Hey Ginger how are you getting on?  What is your lo up to with the regression?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on November 11, 2015, 02:04:56 am
(From reading your thread) Good to hear there are small improvements, but sorry that the EW are continuing.  How much of a drop has DD made in overall sleep? I hope you're catching up on rest somehow.  I don't take anything to sleep, but just trying to train my body to sleep at the same time each night.

A couple days ago, DS started to wake up from his naps crying/screaming at the 1.10 mark and won't resettle.  The 4 days prior to this he was taking almost 2 hr naps which is very rare for him. His crying/screaming NWs have diminished... I can hear him whimper, but he'll self settle. It's just such an odd phase... I can't make sense of it. Sometimes meds = No NW, sometimes not. I also think we have tummy/constipation issues mixed in there.

DS is getting 11.5-12.5 hrs/24hr sleep presently, which doesn't seem like enough but it's what he's doing. 10-10.5 nights and 1hr 10-15min naps were a norm for a long time with an occasional 11 hr here and there.  This last week was unusual with a few days of 1.45m-2hr naps but nights were still 10hr (or less on off days!).  It may have been a random growth spurt. DS has always been LSN so the 12hr sleep isn't completely unusual.

FWIW, when I couldn't handle the 5:00ish WU anymore, I pushed BT hard. It took a couple weeks, but we finally got to 7:45/8:00, which made his WUs around 6:00-6:30.  We went to a few events that kept him up way past BT and that pushed his WU... and we shifted his schedule from there.  I'm now just waiting to see if DS will shorten his naps on his own and hoping (with all my heart!) that his nights will extend to 11-12 hrs.


Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on November 16, 2015, 06:58:32 am
Yip gonna keep trying to push the bt but tbh so much else going on that need to work on me for a bit.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on November 16, 2015, 20:26:02 pm
Yes, imperative that you do work on you.

We're still getting crying upon waking at naps, and also NWs randomly here and there, and sometimes a long one.  ??? Who knows what's going on. Can't wait for 20-22 months when things are *supposed* to get better.

Hang in there.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on November 17, 2015, 18:08:16 pm
We had another 1.5 NW last night, but not a huge sleep-in. Short night. On top of a 1.05 nap, from which he woke screaming.  :(
Nap was also a struggle today.

*sigh* So tired.  Anyone with multiple children, how different are your children? I have a friend whose daughter literally sleeps 12 hours a night, consistent naps, consistent WU and BT. And apparently she doesn't go wacko with OT and UT doesn't bother her either.  I don't think she's ever gone through a regression. I'm assuming she's textbook and angel.

Just needing a kind reminder that our children are beautifully different.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on November 17, 2015, 23:02:27 pm
Hey Ginger, they most def are different and beautiful!!  I only have my DD and she is def not textbook angel (at the moment).  I too have friends like this but I secretly tell myself they are telling fibs!!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on December 04, 2015, 19:00:52 pm
I thought we were out of the woods from this phase until yesterday when M woke 40 min into nap screaming and couldn't resettle, a few nights a week crying 3 hrs after BT, and every morning this past week waking around 5:00am crying.  And the other night he had 9.5 hr night. This morning he did have a leak at 5, so changed him, but he wouldn't go back to sleep until almost 7. Slept 40 min in my arms in my bed. Ack. (I was ill yesterday and last night, so I didn't have the energy to put him back in his crib and pat him to sleep).

The canines haven't appeared at all, even though his gums *seem* to be red.

Before this, he did a solid week of 8-6/6:30, 12:30-2:30ish naps (although he still had NWs that required help). Still not thrilled with the 10 hr nights, but it's probably because his naps have not been capped. Any thoughts to the NWs?? Is BT too late?

DS turned 19mo a few days ago, which makes this phase almost 2 months and counting.

How are you doing firstmum?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on December 08, 2015, 23:48:02 pm
Hey Ginger, we are really good thanks.  Have been busy with travelling to visit family and getting ready for xmas.  We have hit a relative calm period.  My LO is 19 months next week and cut her last molar on Saturday  :P the canines we horrific and combined with the SR (which I think started early) we had a pretty horrible 10 weeks.

Nap is pretty consistent at 12 for 2 hours give or take 15 mins and bedtime has settled at 6:30-7, dd is sleeping better at the child minders too so I'm not having to do an ebt on those nights.  We get the occasional nw and think its dreaming as she is doing a bit of sleep talking, but thankfully a quick cuddle and she snuggles back down.

The ew unfortunately are the only thing I can moan about.  This morning was 5:45 but we left her and she was ok playing.  Anything earlier than that and we try and resettle as 6am is as early as hubby and I can face.  Sometimes its a quick resettle and she will sleep till 6:30 other times she will blip every 20 mins.

Am feeling more human and have started taking a bit of me time in the evening and popping out to the movies and catch-ups with girlfriends.  Hubby has been fab and is really supportive of me getting out of the house  :P Still bf just before bed and she still feeds to sleep but I have put a lid on that box for now as its not a problem and I think it was me making it a problem.  When she is ready to wean or I feel its time I'll tackle it then.

How is everything going with you?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on December 13, 2015, 15:23:22 pm
Hey ladies, I think we can officially join you here now ;) Not quite 18mo but definitely regressing :P Sorry haven't read back but will follow on from here. Lots of chatting at nap time now, some of it definitely routine issues, like when DH gave dd 30min morning nap today instead of 15mins but didn't tell me until she'd been messing around for an hour after I'd put her down for her pm nap ::) she then did a further hour of chatting crazily to herself whilst I went crazy stressing about it :-[ Anyway, we 're definitely here now! And remembering it was so hard and long with DS, not to try and scare anyone, but I practically lived on the 18mo SR thread for quite some time ;) makes it much easier to handle :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on December 15, 2015, 19:35:44 pm
First mum, so glad to hear that it's been quite calm. And that's great that you're a bit more rested and having time for yourself. Congrats on all the baby teeth that are finally through. Hooray! Honestly, I think with 6:30/7 BT, 5:45am is still a pretty good wake up time. But it's great that she'll play independently for a bit. Glad to get some good news on your end!

Trimbler, welcome back. Although I wish you didn't have to be back! Thanks for sharing about DS.

I'm a bit down today. I don't get what's going on with DS. His naps AND nights are short. He also wakes a couple times a night either mumbling or fussing. It's been over a week of this and before that, horrible NWs, EWs, etc..  His behavior is also more pronounced lately... more specific tantrums, clinginess, refusing to eat sometimes, etc.. I wonder if the canines are to blame but can't be sure as there is still no sign of them. Can you take a look and see if I should tweak anything? I might also post in toddler sleep. Could he be OT?  TIA

BEFORE
WU 6:00-7:00 (depends if there were long NWs)
NAP 12:30/1:00 (1.5-2.0hrs)
BT 8:00-8:30 (get 10-10.5 hr nights)

NOW
WU 5:30-6:30
NAP 12:30-2:00 or earlier (1.5 or less)
BT 7:30-8:15 (even if I put down at 7:30 he stays up until 8 or after)

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on December 16, 2015, 21:13:41 pm
I should probably hold my tongue... I just remember for ages I was convinced that DS must have been OT, but it turned out that actually his sleep needs had decreased overall and that his nap just needed capping and then his nights improved massively. But I'm still so scared of OT that I hesitate to suggest that to you unless you think it's possible :P The thing that finally convinced me is that he used to seem tired in the morning after the short night, but refreshed after his nap and able to keep going for way longer than I wanted him to in the evening. Anything similar with M?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on December 17, 2015, 01:25:43 am
When you say improved, do you mean regarding NW and/or lengthening? How much did you cap the naps?

I did feel he had tons of energy in the evenings before, with 10 hr nights and 2 hr nap, but he didn't seem tired then.  It's when he had short naps and seemed more restless during sleep. His needs may have dropped, but it's already low at around 11.5-12.5, so not sure how much more sleep to cut.

Not sure what happened last night. WU around 6:15, 1 hr nap at 1, and asleep for BT at 7:35. Had a 1 hr NW at 4:30, then slept til 6:30. OT from short nap and night? or was BT too early? Napped today for 1.30 or maybe 1.45 (I napped also and was so dead tired, I couldn't hear him when he woke... he was just playing around.) He had swimming this morning and then fought me for his nap. His A ended up being 6.5. Asleep tonight at 7:55 (5.15A). Didn't mess around much.

We'll see how it goes. Thanks for responding Trimbler!


Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on December 19, 2015, 18:57:10 pm
Both lengthening and waking less. I just capped the nap gradually, I 'm too much of a scaredy-cat to do anything quickly :P Once I started capping though I began to notice some improvement I think, so plucked up the courage to cap a bit more, and so on... Tbh I'm never quite sure how to advise with LSN, but I know some mums on here have lots of btdt with that! Do you have a thread on toddler sleep?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on December 28, 2015, 12:34:05 pm
Ok I think I'm going to join just b/c I'm not sure what's going on :P we're technically 19months but gestationally 18.5m. We're getting about 12-13hr nights, I know I shouldn't complain, but naps are not predicable, especially with dd. We have set nap time at 1pm, wake up is generally 7:30-8ish and bt 7pm. For naps dd will often cry out around 1hr and will generally settle back, or sometimes she'll just do 1.5hr which seems abit short to me for 1 nap. I seem to remember ds1 doing 2-3 hrs. But now I'm thinking if he long night is the reason for that, what do you think? We've also been getting the odd. Nw with dd, could be twenty or just ghe regression...I don't really know much about the regression stuff, I don't remember it too much with ds1. How's everyone else?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on December 28, 2015, 17:45:22 pm
Yay! Glad to see you here, Kayra. Now if only all the other BC babes went through the regression, we could revive the group here. Lol.

It doesn't sound like a regression but it does sound like sleep needs are changing. Maybe? Does DD do 2-3 naps ever or just 1-1.5 generally? It seems really hard to determine if sleep needs are decreasing... I think you have to rule out everything else. Which is difficult around this time, I'm assuming, because of development and its affect on sleep. Anything else out of the ordinary for L? (And yes, I'm jealous of the 12-13 nights. ;)  Wow!)

As I predicted, M has almost permanently shortened his naps from 1.45-2.00ish down to 1.10-1.30. Nights were still around 10-10.5 until the past two nights when they were around 11 hrs!  :o I'm shocked. We had a few nw this past week, but I'm almost certain it was OT from the holidays.  So maybe our regression is officially over? Ack! Now where do I post and hang out with my BW friends? Haha.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on December 28, 2015, 21:31:21 pm
Haha ginger, you can always just support us here ;) glad to hear he's doing 11 her nights! Gosh you have long days, I find it hard enough to get thru the day and we basically have 11hr days with a nap in the middle, not sure I'd cope with a 13hr+ day! Looks like M is preferring to lengthen his night and shorten his nap? He does see, to have always been more of Lsn kiddo, I dare say he'll drop the nap on the early side too...
She has a few times done a 2-3 her nap, overall I feel that ds would sleep longer, he does seem higher sleep needs, but then about 8 months ago she was sleeping more than him...so who knows! Like you said it's hard to rule out other stuff as teeth are an issue for sure too. She had a longer nap today, we'll see if it effects the night...
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on December 30, 2015, 23:30:20 pm
Hey Kayra :) Sounds like they're doing pretty well really? So 14-14.5h TS? I think that's roughly where we're heading, however with all our travels over Christmas and noisy families disturbing naps, we ended up seriously OT so we're just trying to catch up a bit now we're back home, she certainly won't manage on just one nap consistently until she's caught up a bit, really hoping she will soon though... So far she seems to be able to get through one or two days, but then the next morning she's really cranky, even if she seemed to have a good night. But that's 2-1 rather than 18mo stuff - although I think the latter was also partly the cause of all the horrendous sleep whilst away! Really want to go to bed, but she has this frustrating habit of crying/screaming just when I want to, DH settled her whilst I was in the bathroom so just giving her a chance to settle back properly before going in there to my bed... I'm OT too :P But lots of lovely development otherwise so can't complain too much ;)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on December 31, 2015, 00:51:55 am
Kayra, how did the night turn out? Hush your mouth, Kayra! About dropping nap early.  Lol. But I know you're right, and he probably will drop his nap early.  It's okay, at least I'll have my days back again and can do fun trips and such. =P

Trimbler, I hope she does catch up soon... how was it today?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 01, 2016, 20:49:50 pm
Well, she woke not much before 6:45am, which was nice, since I'm hoping to move 'get up' time to 7am from tomorrow... She was pretty tired though, so I gave her 15mins morning nap and then it took her 45mins playing to get down for the pm nap, we woke her in the end after 1.5h as I didn't want her struggling with BT but she was really tired and cranky for most of the afternoon :-\ Seemed to settle straight away with BT though, so we'll see what the night brings... She did seem very clingy to me today though, especially at nap times, we've had the last week and a half all together and then I worked the last two days of the year with DH in charge at home, and missed her BT on New Year's Eve so guess it's hardly surprising if she missed me!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 04, 2016, 11:24:26 am
Yeah they're doing well overall, maybe hat seems like regression stuff to me is teeth. Dd had another couple of settled nights, one of them she cried in a way that made me wonder if it was a night terror or sthg, it's rely for that though isn't it? They've cut some new teeth-last incisors thru finally- poos seem more normal too so may be that's what all the fuss was about..,.?
Ginger, sorry :P
Trimbler, have you done any single naps then yet? It's hard to make that final move!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 04, 2016, 20:04:14 pm
I don't think night terrors are unheard of at this age ??? :-\ Glad things are stabilising now :) I think DD,must be teething again, horrible poos :P

Yes we've had some one nap days, but any more than two in a row seems to lead to a very cranky girl the next morning, even if the night seemed good. First day back at the childminder today and she pulled a massive 3h nap :o :D Shame she won't be able to do that again really, it was only possible because CM was only looking after her and didn't have to collect DS from school as he goes back tomorrow - so I took him to the science museum today :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 08, 2016, 03:47:59 am
Hi All,

We are still trucking along here.  We've just had quite a nice period of calm and overall sleep has been pretty good.  My lo I think is lsn ??  we are averaging 12-13 in total and have been here for awhile.  Not sure if we have hit a blip or if I need to tweak so keen for your advice.  I had mentioned to a friend today that my lo has started waking in the night again and she thought maybe her bedtime was too early?  What do you think.

Nap is 12:30pm for minimum 1.5 max 2.5
On the boob at 6:30 asleep by 7 (very sleepy if not asleep after roughly 15-20 mins of active feeding)

We are getting nw that are usually about 7 hours after she goes down.  Around 2:30am.  Pretty easy to resettle but its usually only for a couple of hours, generally again at 4:30 and then usually only for another hour max.  Last night was a bit different with 1am 3am 4am 4:20 and 4:45 I'd had enough so brought her into bed with me and she slept till 6:45.

Do you think she could be ut?  I've thought for ages that her overall sleep is to low as when I give in and bring her into my bed she will generally sleep much longer bringing her night time sleep around the 12 hour mark instead of 10.5.

We've had 4 days of this really unsettled wee hours. She is eating like a horse, growing before my eyes and I think we are getting at least 2 if not 3 new words a day plus sentences are coming together.  We are 10 days into no sleeping bag for all sleeps and our nights are quite warm.  Her room sits at around 21 at a minimum now.

Love to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 08, 2016, 14:37:26 pm
Just wondering about that nap - is it more often 1.5 or 2.5h? Are her nights worse if it's longer or shorter? Is she more tired in the morning or evening?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 08, 2016, 18:25:23 pm
Good question from trimbler.
Could be developmental from the things you mention. I don't have a lot of ut experience but if she's sleeping more with you it doesn't seem like she would if she really were ut..no?
Dd still has nw, nothing major just out of the norm. I think it's teeth...she's been a bit feverish and very clingy for a couple days. She was perkier at bedtime so let's hope tomorrow's better!
Jealous of your 3hr nap trimbler! How's she been doing?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 08, 2016, 19:49:19 pm
Haha it's not always that long, in fact we only had that once at home, about a month ago - the CM got the benefit if that one, and 2.75h yesterday! Normally the school run gets in the way or she just wakes earlier anyway, but I think she just gets really tired on one nap and crashes out if she can. Hoping that soon she'll get used to it and get by better on 'shorter' naps... NWs here too, can't see any teeth about to cut but she was pooing all day today, I'm fairly sure the teeth are moving... Hope L feels better soon :-*
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 08, 2016, 23:08:49 pm
Hey Trimbler and Kayra, thanks for your posts.  The nap is usually bang on 1h 50 mins.  The longer nap is about once every 10 days and the shorter is daycare days or the day after.

No real pattern with shorter or longer naps affecting nights.  I was watching as thought I may have to start capping but nothing lines up. Last night was better with down at 7:30 and a wu at 4 and 5. Both resettled and wu at 6:20.

I really am at a loss to what is occurring??
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 09, 2016, 18:21:23 pm
How old is you Lo? It doesn't seem that long a nap unless she really is very Lsn.
Trimbler, hope those teeth come soon if they are indeed the culprit!
Very bad night with dd, she had seemed more chipper before bed time so I thought we were ok but apparently not. Feels like the mother of all ww's bad nights bad naps ridiculously clingy, but no fever or signs of illness, don't know what's going. Could be canines I suppose, who knows!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 09, 2016, 20:37:35 pm
Yes blame it on canines - I did with DS for months :P But...if it goes on for that long you probably know it's a routine thing too...hopefully it won't go on that long though! Yeah - feeling like ww here too, I thought they were over? Feeling sorry for DD, she really does seem to do best with a 3h nap atm, I just can't be bothered to try the morning CN any more as she so rarely takes it now it just feels like a waste of time. Was hoping for a nice long catch up nap today with no school run, but my lovely DH decided he just had to go to the loo as she was dropping off, which disturbed her, and then it took her ages to get off after that so she did a 1.5h OT nap and couldn't resettle, then poo'd ::) so of course really tired at BT, tried EBT but it took her a little while to get off as she was just crazy, now the typical early NWs, I'm feeling really frustrated at poor DH and know that tomorrow is unlikely to be any better as she gets so excited at church that she always struggles to settle afterwards ::) oh well, just have to hang on in there I guess, this too shall pass... :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 09, 2016, 23:57:30 pm
Yeah my little one if definitely lsn.  12 hours total sleep has been the norm for a bit.  I've tried ebt but she doesn't tack on and to be honest she is a happy wee thing.  I don't get any nap or bedtime resistance with the current timings so unsure what else to try.

Last night was again better, asleep at 7:30 and woke at 5 and resettled till 6.  Think I just have to keep things in her routine and hope she stretches her morning wu a bit.  We have just ordered a gro clock and hoping that will help.

My lo is 20 months.  Whats normal total sleep at this age?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 10, 2016, 10:12:03 am
If she's happy the routine can't be too bad, right? Maybe over time you can push the nap and bt a bit so that you have a later start to the day? I think 13-14 hr is probably normal at this age? I'd need to check,  ut for a Lsn maybe 12 is enough.

Trimbler, hugs! I'd be so cross with my dh too :(  I'm mental about not letting anyone near their room when it's nap time :P maybe you could leave church a tad earlier so she can wind down a bit? It really is hard when they don't just adapt nicely into our plans :P
Dd had a better night, she's a bit better I think but still not her complete self. Trying for an early nap in hopes that we can go to church altogether, otherwise one of us will go with ds1 and the other stay home wih the twins.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 10, 2016, 13:22:25 pm
Oh dear just venting sorry it's all my fault today as I didn't walk out during the sermon to get her from crèche for lunch even though she was so tired this morning :( so of course she took longer to eat her lunch (at church) than usual as she was so tired, left as soon as the service ended and continued feeding her in the buggy but she was still going once we got home with only 5mins to spare before nap time so of course she ended up going down around 10mins late after nappy change and then messed around for half an hour, poor overtired girl! And now I'm even more of a mess as she hasn't been able to catch up all weekend so the nights are bad and I 'm sleep deprived :) and ironically I couldn't even concentrate on the sermon as I was worrying about it going on and DD not getting lunch in time - silly, silly me! Sorry :-[
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 10, 2016, 19:06:40 pm
OK sorry for my earlier outburst, I guess I just remember this regression being awful and long with DS and when I see an OT spiral starting I start to really stress as I just don't cope well with sleep deprivation! I feel that she does cope better when her nap is 3h, we can recover from a 2.5h nap with early BT but less than that and we're stuck. I just don't think there's much point trying for a morning CN again now since this regression is making it much harder for her to settle but then I struggle to see how to help her catch up, this is where we are now :
Up 7am (regardless of when she actually woke, EWs are common but she often does off a bit and acts so tired all day if not)
Nap 12:30 (consistently struggles to settle if I try any earlier and always struggles at the weekend even if really tired all morning) unfortunately this has been stuck at an OT 1.5h nap the last couple of days with no resettle :(
BT 7pm if a 3h nap, 6pm if a disaster nap!
She seems to need a shorter A to BT otherwise she had loads of OT waking and a generally bad night. She seems to do well on 15h TS.

Oh sorry was going to respond to first mum but am being summoned for story time!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 10, 2016, 19:37:12 pm
OK so I'm back again, first mum I was going to say that what we did with DS once we'd figured him out at this stage was to push BT a bit later to start with so that he was more tired and slept a longer night. But after a while the night would get too short for him (we realised he needed at least 11h to be refreshed the next day) so we'd reduce his nap a bit to bring BT earlier and lengthen the night again, if that makes sense? I wonder if you could try something similar?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 11, 2016, 06:13:39 am
Thanks Trimbler, so hard to know what to do???  We have had a couple of days with 10.5 hour nights and 2+ hour naps.  Tonight she was asleep at 7 as only had 30 mins at the childminder, but am almost positive she will still wake at 5am, I'll cover her up again, stroke her back and she will go back to sleep till 6:20.  7:30pm seems to be working on non daycare days as she goes into the cot at 7 and it takes her a bit to wind down, that gives her 5.5 hours awake which is good.  She is tired, but coping well.  Not sure I'd want to push it much more.  For about the last 6 weeks now regardless of bedtime (6:30, 7 or 8) she wakes at 5 and then 6.   

We have ordered a grow clock to see if she can learn to self settle at 5 as its a long day for me and hubby as we very rarely get back to sleep.

Think I need to watch and wait.  How are things with you?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 11, 2016, 06:44:52 am
I suspect it's time to start cutting back on the nap. I think on those days with 2h+ naps she probably just doesn't need more than 10,5h sleep but that day with 30min nap she may have done a 10,5h OT night???
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 11, 2016, 07:29:12 am
Yip, think I am going to make the call after daycare tomorrow.  As she is only in care 2 days I can get back on top of any ot pretty quickly.  30-45 mins nap is pretty normal for daycare so if the next 2 nights are normal am going to cap her nap at 90 minutes for a whole week and then reassess!

Have you tried anticipating your lo waking at the 90 minute mark for that ot nap?  When my lo was first dropping the nap we had a blip at the 1 hour mark so I sat beside the cot and waited until she stirred and then stroked her bum.  I did it for a couple of days and then she stretched longer.  I did the same at 90 mins and we eventually got to a consistent 2 hours.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 12, 2016, 09:55:52 am
Hope it goes well! Thanks, first mum, I'll have to give that serious thought as it may be the only way but my only concern is that usually when I've had to wake her from a nap (in the past - not for a while now :P ) she's kind of sprung up with a giggle or squeal of excitement as soon as I open the door, unless she's really deeply asleep, and I don't want that to happen if I'm going in to help her transition! But she's used to going to sleep by herself so I 'd probably have to creep back in at some point or else just pretend that I've left but lie down on the bed - it's pitch black with white noise so she may not notice if I'm still in there :P But then I'd worry about checking the time - the light might disturb her, and I do feel that I really need that time during her nap to get everything else done, there always seems so much to do! Hmmm but I just don 'to think that the morning nap is an option any more, which is a shame as I think she'd have kept it for longer if we hadn't had all the travelling around Christmas and of course this regression. Trying for a morning CN now as the night was so bad but she's just so wired, as she was at 5:30am this morning :( wired but tired! She's not crying, just seems to be so awake and buzzing like there's so much going on in her head, she did this at night too, talking incessantly, and early in the morning. I guess technically she had around 10.5h sleep, so not sure if it counts as an EW but given that she had 2.5h sleep at the CM (yay!) yesterday that makes 13h, but she's HSN and really needs 15h in order to stay on an even keel, it's just so hard to see her so tired and swinging from hyper happy to really miserable all the time, so wobbly on her feet, not eating properly, etc etc :( not to mention that I really really don't cope well with sleep deprivation, it's really taking its toll now and I feel myself spiralling down and down... I struggled with ppd last time and was so thankful that I haven't so far, but starting to worry about going down again now I'm just getting so stressed as I can't see how to get either of us more sleep :( sorry perhaps I should be posting in couch, let me know if so, but in my mind it 's all related to the 18mo SR! DH keeps dropping hints that he 'd like more children and atm I just can't think of anything worse - I mean, I love our kids, they're both great, amazing in fact :) but I just don 'to think it's fair on them for me to be like this, I just want to move on from this phase of life, I look at DS and think I just can't wait until DD is that age and I shouldn't have to be so sleep deprived and worrying about her sleep any more. Not to mention the strain that our marriage is under because I can't cope with the sleep deprivation, surely it's better to work on that than to put ourselves through all this again?? As I said, tell me to post elsewhere if this ranting isn 't appropriate right here, sorry!

Back again - grrrrr! So DD finally got to sleep this afternoon and after an hour this noise started outside and woke her :( I thought it was a hedge trimmer, but no - a leaf blower! And there aren't even any leaves to blow ??? He's just wandering around outside with it making loads of noise just blowing a couple of leaves from one place to another ::) I mean I guess it's in his job description but really? Ok I must stop complaining, I really must!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 12, 2016, 18:42:57 pm
Oh hugs Trimbler :( how annoying! Could you have screamed at him? Might have helped you feel a bit better :P
I used to stress about ds1's sleep like this too, I remember going to be bathroom screaming and crying in frustration b/c he'd woken too early or messed about or sthg!!! Like you it was bc I knew he needed more sleep but now I realise if there's nothing more you can do about it there's just nothing more you can do.... This may not be the advice you want but I'd like to say try to relax a bit more...if she's ok to stay in bed if she wakes early from her nap just leave her till you get what you need to do done, just try to roll with the punches. I know it's horrid to cope with a grumpy bub but if there's nothing you can do don't beat yourself up.... Xxxx
Our naps seem to have got a bit better, dd seems over whatever she had, she was very cheerful this afternoon,  but ds woke from his nap with a high fever and then threw up all over me...I managed to get the fever down a bit and he did pretty well with dinner, but very droopey in the evening poor thing :(
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 12, 2016, 22:43:47 pm
Thanks Kayra, I know full well that I'm reacting so badly because I'm sleep deprived and because it brings back all those feelings I had during ppd with DS - sleep anxiety was big then and it's so easy to slip back into it now :-\ I'm sleeping in the living room for the next few nights, mice and all :P DH sleeps through some of the messing around anyway and as you say, she's happy enough, just crazy ::) If she hasn't been keeping me awake then I respond to her much better in the morning!
Poor M, and poor you, Kayra - so sorry you're having to deal with all this illness :( hope he gets better very soon! :-*
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 12, 2016, 23:56:19 pm
Hey Trimbler, feel free to vent!!  It's good that you are talking about it.  I too am quite a high strung person and probably focus way to much on my lo sleep or lack of.  My DH and mother ofter have to remind me that I have a happy little toddler who does pretty well with a bit less sleep and it brings me down to earth occasionally.  I also find I can sometimes focus on something that I think needs fixing when in actual fact it doesn't.  Unfortunately that takes me a bit longer to process.

Im sure an addition to your family would be lovely, but think you are right it needs to be at the right time for the right reasons xx hugs
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 16, 2016, 21:36:25 pm
Hugs all round, it's so easy to focus on the negative or like you say think you have to fix sthg that actually isn't al that bad, we all need to step back once in a while.
Trimbler, sorry to hear the mice are still there, but yeah good idea to sleep in the living room, I hate sleeping in the same room as my kids :P
Things seemed better for a couple days, more settled naps and nights, but there's still the odd nw here and there or 'nw' during a nap...
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on January 17, 2016, 00:54:58 am
Hi ladies,
Love that you're back and this thread is active. I've been following and wanted to return to reply, but I actually had a question of my own.

How bad was canine teething for your LOs? It is bad here. I wish and wish and wish it was a couple of months ago with all the 18mo reg nonsense, but it had to come now... so it's been like a 6 month regression. I don't know who this LO is, because it is not the DS I know. Just checking to make sure I shouldn't take him to the Dr. or anything. He cries constantly about everything. I think the discomfort is also causing bad sleep so he's OT.

Ugh, Trimbler, you had a lot to deal with! Yeah, I would've yelled at that guy... maybe from my window, but yelled nonetheless. =P back to the couch, I see... I know that has helped in the past so I truly hope it helps you now and lets you catch up some. What were your symptoms of sleep anxiety?

First Mum, I'm very similar. I feel at times people think I make up our sleep issues... but I know those are real. But perhaps it bothers me in a way others aren't? Did you have time to cap and reassess? Any progress?

Kayra, sorry to hear about all the illnesses going around! Eek. I appreciate you sharing about your DS1 and reminding us to roll with it.  I've been trying to more and more and keep thinking if I have more children, I can't be this obsessed. No time for it! Haha. How is DS feeling?

How have 1 naps gone? And does everyone think they're in the middle of the regression? Usually associated with leaps, so anything new happening with the kiddos?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 17, 2016, 19:26:53 pm
Hey ginger, sorry to hear about the rough time :( if you really feel it's unlike him maybe get him checked just in case?
I don't know what to say about canines, I don't remember it with ds1 or at least didn't realise that was the problem..? I think with teeth here it seems to be in bouts, like it'll be bad a few days then a brak then bad again etc and then eventually a tooth will cut....so it's not like constant constant.
For us speech is developing for sure, new words and just more desire and interest in communicating, at least with dd. She doesn't have that many word but it feels like she doesn't stop talking :P mostly it's just repeating that we said bye bye to Baba and Arin (ds1), what M is doing, asking for Elmo, or sthg, so the content is xtremely limited but she's constantly communicating! Tiring but very sweet :) they're both healthy now thanks :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: -Maya- on January 18, 2016, 09:33:49 am
Ok we are defintely here with a SR. I think it is totally due to canins as DS is drooling, hands in mouth, unsettled nights, short naps, all partially fixed up by ibubrofen.
All this nonsense has lasted over a week now. Of course I yesterday I took it very badly. Today I am in office and I dare say I need this break from DS always calling "mummy mummy".

How long will it take to finish? He has always cut 4 teeths together (i.e. all 4 molars, up down left right) so I hope he is doing the smae now. But I can see no teeth in canines space.

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: First mum on January 19, 2016, 05:56:09 am
Hey Ginger, yeah the canines were rough.  We popped all 4 in 8 days but the impact lasted about 4 weeks.  It was smack in the middle of the regression so it was probably closer to 10 weeks of pretty rough sleep all round.  Thankfully my lo is a happy soul and her day naps stayed pretty consistent at 90-120 mins.  The nights were horrid and pain relief only took the edge of her pain.  We did lots of sleeping on her floor, co-sleeping, sleeping in a chair.  A few bad habits started but thankfully we are back to normal now.  I did take my lo to the GP right in the middle to check ears and throat just to be sure and gain some reassurance.

We are still rolling with the 90-120 minute naps.  Have been a bit slack and let her have a couple of 140 minute naps but we are in a growth spurt so is a bit sleepy.  I am def thinking that a cap to her day nap is not far off but am hoping to roll with it a bit longer  :P
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 20, 2016, 23:31:10 pm
Hey again - been busy! But DH working late (at home) and I'm in the living room again tonight so can't go to sleep until he heads for bed... Actually I'm mainly sleeping there tonight so that I can get up earlier without waking DD (who's in our bedroom) as it's the only way I can work out how to get dressed, eat breakfast and make it for everyone else before getting her up at 7, bf-ing, getting DH out at 7:20, getting DD dressed whilst shoving a cereal bar in her mouth, getting things into the bag for the CM, lunch in my bag, everyone's teeth cleaned, blah blah blah, before getting everyone into warm winter outdoor clothes and out the door by 7:40. I just can't do it unless I sleep in here, but on nights like tonight I wonder if I wouldn't actually get more sleep in the bedroom. Swings and roundabouts! But teething is bad here, I think all four premolars are finally on the move as well as the 5th incisor but teeth seem to take ages here... (((Hugs))) for everyone else struggling with teething!

First mum - it's hard letting go of that down time in the middle of the day, isn't it!

Maya - your comment about E calling mummy mummy reminded me of my DD calling me 'bubbeee' when I arrived home from work the other day - that's what she calls her cuddly bunnies ::) ;D so all I can say is at least E isn't getting you muddled with his soft toys :P

Great to hear about M and L's speech :D

Ginger - great to hear from you, but I think I'm needed for pain meds now - poor thing :( see you all again soon... :-*
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on January 22, 2016, 18:10:39 pm
Wow Trimbler you guys have an early start!!! Hope you managed to get some good sleep.
Maya hugs for all teeth trouble, does medicating seem to help? It's so hard when they just want to cling to you and whine so much :( hope the weekend is good.
First mum, it's so hard to cap naps, I've always hated doing it, not that I have to do it these days ::) I'm lucky if we get 2 hrs nap, but they do a good night so I can't really complain. Overall thoigh it seems that it's rare that we get an unbroken nap and unbroken night, there always seems to be a walking somewhere.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on January 23, 2016, 19:34:18 pm
Haha an early start? Well I guess in London 6:30am is a pretty common time to get up for work, so it actually feels like a lie in when I don't get up until 7am at the weekend :P even if DD did wake up earlier... First molar has started cutting through on one side now :) they do take a while, don't they!

Sorry Ginger, didn't manage to respond to you - how have the last few days been? Poor M, teething is tough, isn't it! No idea when we'll start on our canines - almost certainly not before she's 2yo...
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on February 05, 2016, 14:55:49 pm
Hey there, how's everyone? I'm feeling really frustrated for A, she's obviously teething, I think one is cutting now and two more on the verge with another not far behind - but which will probably take a few more weeks to actually cut ::) Nasty cough too today so this nap has been a complete disaster but nothing can be done, I have to go and collect DS in a minute... Sometimes settles really quickly, other times takes up to an hour - mostly sleeps well at the CM but not so much at home, trying to work out optimum lunch timings as this seems to affect things perhaps. Sorry, just having a moan, but otherwise things are good :) Finally getting a few words now :D and she's still such a cutie, I can't be angry with her really. We were reading a book at a group this morning with the words 'I love you' accompanied by signs, so I signed (and said) that to her a few times and she signed it to me as she was eating lunch - adorable :) Now if only she'd learn to settle for her naps at home as well as at the CM's... Since I have to collect DS, I just watch the available napping time disappearing the more she messes around ::) put her down earlier and she may actually end up getting a long enough nap, or she may just mess around more; put her down later and she may settle more quickly, or she may mess around just the same and get hardly any nap ::) grrr... :P
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on February 05, 2016, 16:09:50 pm
Hugs trimbler! Does she not go down at the same time as at the childminders? Maybe more stimulation there..?
Teeth don't seem to be doing anything for the time being. They seem to be napping better after a shorter A in the am..not sure what to do about that. It works now while they're getting up later in the morning but not sure how it'll work when they pull that forward as they're fine going down after a shortish a too...anyway not exactly regression territory so I'll just tag along for support for the time being.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on February 06, 2016, 14:32:27 pm
Yeah same times, she'll often go down well for DH too, just not so much for me ??? Can't work out about stimulation - I know being around lots of other people would really tire DS out (and me - introverts ;) ) but it always seems to have the opposite effect on DD, she seems to thrive on it and then struggle to switch off afterwards. So if we've been around other people she tends to struggle to sleep more than if we've had a quiet morning at home. All I can be pretty sure of now is that she's really struggling with teething, poor thing - definitely three molars and two incisors bulging and at various stages of readiness to cut, with the fourth molar half through. Perhaps this is what they meant by late teethers getting them all at once? Do yours have their canines yet?

Glad things seem to be going well with yours sleep wise - couldn't quite get my head around the problem there, is there one? I'm sure they'll gradually extend that first A...

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on February 08, 2016, 17:43:44 pm
Hi Kayra, glad to hear the morning wake up is later and it's working for now. X fingers it continues to work or adjustments are smooth!
Trimbler, same with DS here re: stimulation and being around people before nap. It almost always makes naps harder. So now I try my best to leave down time at home right before nap, but it doesn't always work. I wonder if it has to do with the difference in the sequence of things? Who knows! Hang in there and hope this passes soon! <3

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on February 11, 2016, 22:04:38 pm
Thanks Ginger, good to hear from you :) Well it seems recently she's just struggling to get to sleep whether it's nap time or BT, at home or CM ::) Perhaps this is the time where she's stopped crashing at the suddenly long A time to nap (having dropped the morning CN) and her sleep needs are beginning to dive... But then I know her teeth are really bothering her, she's been really off her food and milk. But it's chatting, not crying, at sleep times, really sounds like she's so hyped up and crazy OT that she can't settle down. And she's so easily upset during the day, loads of screaming etc, could be teeth or could be OT, sometimes it's just so hard to tell now... I do remember however being convinced for months that DS was really OT when in the end it turned out to just be a big drop in sleep needs, and surely DD is ready for one of those now! Did any of you notice a sudden drop in sleep needs overall, and when did it occur in relation to 18mo and the 2-1? Thinking I might just have to start pushing in the hope that if I'm wrong, it will be so obvious that I can then backtrack and help her catch up her OT - or of course if I'm right, then problem solved :) maybe :P
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on February 12, 2016, 01:38:03 am
Hi Trimbler  :)
It's funny...it seems like M's sleep needs grew after the 2-1 because he was sleep trained, consolidated sleep, and finally extended his naps. And it seems like he's been around the 12 per 24hr for the past YEAR.  :o These LSN babes!  HOWEVER, around 17-19months, M did drop his nap suddenly from 2hr to 1.10, and his nights were slightly shorter, too.  Now he's consistently averaging 11.5 (10 night, 1.5 day) total sleep at 21.5 months. Not sure that helps much but perhaps you're onto something with dropping sleep needs? Let us know how the push goes!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: ginger428 on February 12, 2016, 01:47:35 am
Maya, first mum, Kayra, how are you all?

Suzanna... are you here yet?!  ;D Can I hope to get the gang together again? If even only for a moment as DS keeps growing so quickly!!!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: -Maya- on February 12, 2016, 11:28:46 am
I' m always reading your posts :)
We are in a so and so period for sleep. Ds had a row of canines and stomach bug and we are still recovering from that. Canines he has cut bottom ones, not top ones. But he haz always cut all 4 teeth together so I expect them soon. Or I wish them soon :)

Ginger Trimbler, so good to hear from you!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: kayra on February 15, 2016, 07:24:49 am
Trimbler what are dd's a times then? You could try Stretching her nap to half an hour later and see what happens?
M&L seem to have shortened their night a bit so it could be a dip in sleep needs, but I'm not entirely sure. I need to check out what's average at this age. Maybe I'll just wait out till end of March when clocks change, amd just start doing a later bedtime if shorter nights is the case.
Ginger that is seriously Lsn, wow! You def seem to have the grace to go with it, being hsl myself I'd really struggle with that!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: trimbler on February 18, 2016, 22:50:33 pm
Yeah I keep thinking that, although that would really mean getting up earlier, as she has to get up from her nap at the same time due to school collection, so I don't want to start that if it's not going to work - harder to reverse! Also we can't do BT any earlier and an earlier start would probably mean needing an earlier BT... But I think we do need to try stretching a bit, problem is that just when I think we should start stretching, she suddenly shows us just how OT she's got, and then we need to help her catch up... Like today, wow, for such a usually sweet and happy girl, she has a truly violent temper :o
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Kfro on March 03, 2016, 13:58:18 pm
I think ds is here.... Although I'm really not sure. He is waking from his nap crying (after about 1 hour 30 give or take 10 mins) and is having multiple nw's. Although they are all relatively easy to settle using my voice, I feel that I need to do something to help him get some unbroken sleep. I have tried nurofen and that doesn't seem to make any difference so I don't think it's teeth. Seperation anxiety is definitely at play during his a time and I often have to use my voice when I first put him down as he starts crying but would this cause multiple night wakings? He is still getting around 13 hours sleep which has previously been about right for him and he doesn't seem overly tired whilst awake. Could these wakings be undertired? Crying due to wanting to sleep but not being tired enough? He has always been fairly lsn and transitioned to one nap at 10 months. He has been on a capped 2 hour nap for a while so maybe he needs less now? His current routine is:

Wu 6
Nap (pd at 12 but often takes 10-15 mins to fall asleep) 1210-210
Bt 640 (usually asleep within 10 mins)


This is a very confusing stage! I know he has a lot going on and I want to comfort him as much as needed but I don't know if I need to stick with his routine to give him consistency or tweek it.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: MayaandEvasmommy on March 11, 2016, 06:33:48 am
Not sure we are going through any sort of regression as such, nothing seems to have changed for a year :(, still early wakings. Ginger my dd seems to have the same thing going on as yours, 10 hour night and 1.5 nap.  I have finally given in to the fact she is LSN but would love to get a more sociable wake up.  Just thought I would browse this thread for a magic cure lol x
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on June 20, 2016, 13:29:25 pm
Hi there,
seems like we're at the beginning of sleep regression, but I was just curious if there is anyone that's going through SR?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: sszskristy on July 07, 2016, 12:06:11 pm
We r in the 5th week of 18mth SR... Bedtime is fine, but have to stay with her when napping and NW 1 or 2 times...Anyone in the same situation?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on July 10, 2016, 05:08:18 am
Not the same exactly, but our self settling baby seem to dissapear:(
It is getting better, I think.After 3 weeks.
How long can it take?!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on July 17, 2016, 18:40:03 pm
Anyone here?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Laura_kap on July 19, 2016, 02:14:18 am
Hello all...

my Little spirited lady is a the 18 month sleep regression + molar teething + getting over a summer congestion cold...fun fun fun...

She is on the tail end of her cold, and I worked really REALLY hard to settle her in her room only, and I did that, but I've had to keep her upright with her face down on my chest in the cuddle chair until she is asleep, then move her into her crib....I've tried a little PU/PD, but she just screams...(like limbs are being torn off) as soon as I put her down, even if I keep a hand on her back etc....

We really never had to do PU/PD, or WI/WO with her...so both seem to be royally peeving her off. 
She has always been a comfort thumb sucker, and when she gets tired, she sticks her thumb in her mouth and usually puts a hand down my blouse and nuzzles in.

She still goes down for naps with ease...she is ready for her naps (12-1:30)...at 11:45 I take her up after a mini lunch, and she just pops her thumb in snuggles with me for 5 seconds, I put her in her crib fully awake and she drifts off happily herself without a peep...

USUALLY, night is like this as well as long as I hit her sleep window. I know it sounds nuts..but she goes to sleep exactly 6hrs after waking from her nap...so I wake her at 1:30 = 7:30 bedtime.  When I try to put her down earlier than that...she just cries/screams if I try to put her into her crib - or if I hold her, she will play with me, talk, babble, sing etc....  But since her cold we've been doing a calm nuzzle to sleep in the chair, then I transfer her to the crib....how to do get back to our usual way of bedtime?  How come she is still napping fine, but not night sleeping the same way?  I would better understand if both were upside down, but struggling to understand the good naps, but poor bedtime settling.  she usually goes down for the night as mentioned around 7:30, after 6 hrs A time....and sleeps until 6:30...so 11hrs night sleep, 1.5 hours day sleep...but I DO need to wake her at 1:5 hours...because she is usually out cold and would sleep longer if I let her...but then she won't go to sleep at night until 8-9pm....and still gets up around 6-6:30 regardless of bedtime...I've tried putting to bed earlier it never works out...as mentioned, she is a spirited/angel type 18 months old next week.

I appreciated you all reading/reviewing this!

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: sszskristy on July 20, 2016, 05:02:16 am
Anyone here?

Hello Bella, how is things going? We r in the 6th week now, things has been getting better. No night waking for 3 days in a row. BUT she got up early now like 6:30-6:40...And yesterday somehow she woke up at 11:30pm and still woke up early this morning.

And still, she can't self settle at nap. I have to stand by the door to watch her until she closed her eyes. I can't say it cause trouble for me because it only take 5 minutes. But I don't understand why she can self settle at bedtime but not for napping?

Anyway it is not finish...our angle baby definitely not come back yet...I start to doubt if it will be finished anymore....
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on July 20, 2016, 06:31:37 am
Hey, I think we're slowly getting out of SR. I don't know what is SR or AP right now.
He settles for naps sometimes by himself (but it doesn't go without a good scream, I decided to WI for cry or when he calls for me and not for screams or mantra). But I hate BT. DH is good at putting him down but he does that by rubbing his back until he is asleep. That is completely different from what it used to be. A baby that put himself to sleep after a cuddle and a solid wind down :(

Laura_cap I think we have VERY similar problems:/ But you still have to fight the cold. I think you need to take care of first things first. We all  just attend our babies when they are sick. It sometimes means a lot of AP unfortunately, but I have no idea what is the way around it:/
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Laura_kap on August 21, 2016, 12:28:27 pm
hi all - I've had odd mornings with my 18.5 month old spirited/angel type....

So her naps have finally gone back to normal....nights have been ok to put her down, some nights easier than others....but she wakes up around 5:30-6am..and talks , whines a bit, calls out for every member of our family, then will fizzle out and fall back asleep around 7, and I usually have to WAKE her at 8:30...at first I thought it was just her way of catching up from poor night sleep (canines are still not broken through! been big bumps for 2 months with northing to show for it!!) but now I'm concerned its becoming a pattern....

should I break her of this with wake to sleep? or let her keep doing it until she gets back regular more solid night sleep?

her schedule currently looks like this most days:

wake 5:45ish - play/whine until 6:30-7am
back asleep around 6:45/7am
wakes around 8:30 or woken around 8:30am
Breakfast 8:30
Lunch 11:30
Nap 12-1:30 or 2
snack 2:30
Supper 6ish
Sleep 7:30

so she is getting about 10.5/11 night hours not super solid, a lot of tossing + her extra morning sleep hour or so so call it 11.5 night hours...and about 1.5-2 hour nap 12-2.

any thoughts would be helpful - thank you for having a look!




Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Scottishmummy on August 23, 2016, 13:16:38 pm
Hi

Sorry you've not had any replies yet, this thread is quiet at the moment...do you want to copy your post on to the main board and start a thread there for advice/suggestions?

I think that 5.45 Wu might be a little UT..she seems to breaking her night sleep then making up for it by sleeping in. Not sure what to suggest..will she resettle quicker if you go in or does that just keep her awake longer?

Someone else here suggested more activity in the afternoon/early evening to tire her out more?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on August 24, 2016, 05:37:37 am
Hi there,
I would leave her be to be honest. At this age, I doubt WTS would work. Mine got to old for it at 10mo:/
Saddly, I think she is getting enough sleep from 7:30-6:30. I personally would push the nap by 30min and make the BT 8ish. I say this from experience, so my DS could differ, but it would only make sense. To me she seems UT 6:30 and wants to get up. Do you come in when she calls for you? I ask, because when you don't she could be going back to sleep out of boredom.
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Laura_kap on August 25, 2016, 16:55:31 pm
the last 2 mornings I tried wake-to-sleep, and ruffled her feathers at 4:30...she did fall back asleep and I was hopeful - but again, up for the day at 5:45-6:15....she usually sucks her thumbs or plays quietly until 6:45-7am when my son gets up (3.5 years old) and we start our day.  occasionally she will fall back asleep, but usually not....as soon as she hears him, she's up and calling for him.

I'll try more activity and a bit later bedtime (8ish) and see if that helps....the issues is that she wakes from her nap at 1:30-2pm...is that too much A time from 1:30/2-8pm?

Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Bella89 on August 26, 2016, 20:44:09 pm
Might be, but if she starts her day 8:30 you have some room to push her nap to a later time. Just an idea.
If you don't feel comfortable with it, start with activity. There is never a harm in it :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: LittleM on September 26, 2016, 10:02:03 am
hi
joining this thread with a question (or five!!)  My DD (17.5 months) looks like she is hitting the sleep regression  :(
She has been an independent sleeper for about a year now, although I always sat in the room while she fell asleep (she had bad reflux and I was desperately worried about her getting upset if I left the room, and vomitting - happened more than once).
Anyway - about 2 weeks ago she started getting very upset when I put her down for her nap / sleep.  Screaming blue murder, throwing herself against the cot sides, trying to climb out etc. Totally inconsolable.  I have managed to work it so that I can calm her down with cuddles and then lay my hand on her while she falls asleep.  But this is often taking 45 mins to an hour and it's killing me!!  She starts crying if I move my hand away, and reaches out to put it back in exactly the place she likes it on her back  ::)
Her day time nap has become shorter - although still usually doing 1.5 hours, and then when I get her down at night, she does sleep through (usually 7pm - 5:30/6am)
But the putting her to sleep is distressing. 
Any advice?  My husband is in with her now and I can hear her howling :(
tia x
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Scottishmummy on September 27, 2016, 18:42:47 pm
Sorry you've not had any replies yet, this thread is a bit quiet at the moment, do you want to start s thread on the main board?
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: LittleM on September 30, 2016, 15:33:37 pm
thanks :)
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: KYKatydid on December 23, 2016, 02:46:46 am
We've hit the 18 mo sleep regression a little early! Bub has always hit his a little early. We recently night weaned, and he was sleeping great from 730P to 530P with no nursing, which was amazing, and something he had never done before! We felt like we hit our stride!

And then he started waking up at the 1.5 hour mark during naps, and thought "okay, naps, not so bad" sometimes he would go back down with just a little consoling (hold once calm, no more than 2 mins, or even just a "lay back down please" and a back rub for a moment), but now it has bled into night time wakings.

He is up periodically, sometimes he goes down quick, others not, and this morning his day started at 5A after fighting for about 45 mins. I know he CAN sleep. We've had success with PU/PD before, and just thinking this is one of those times to enforce it? And he would nap for about 2-2.5 hours during the day, so should we be putting him to bed sooner? Especially since he's wanting to wake up earlier? Or "stick to the schedule" I struggle with knowing when to give and when to stick to said schedule.  ???
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Jouena on January 11, 2017, 18:12:55 pm
Hello!
It's been a while since I asked the Forum for help.
But 18 mo SR is no joke for a first time mom :(
Jude is exactly 18months old. Sleep issues began over a month ago, maybe even 2 and I haven't realized it is the infamous SR untill recently.
   He transitioned to 1 nap fairly easily. Then he caught a cold. That's when night wakings started which I thought was normal under the circumstances. He also suffered a sinus infection for 2 weeks around Christmas. And I attended to his wakings, naturally. But he's been waking up at odd times every night since. The worst is that he wakes up between 4.30 and 5.30am!
   So, if it's 4.30 I feed him to sleep and he sleeps till 7am. Which could have been great, only it isn't. It throws all our day off as his perfect WU is 6am. If it's 5-5.30 WU, that's when we start the day, screwing the schedule again, of course.
   I tried to let him cry to enforce the 6am WU, but he wines for 40 min to an hour and then bursts into real crying which won't cease untill I get him.
    His nap has not been affected, though. He takes one 1.5-2h nap a day, consistently. Neither does he fight bedtime, 7pm it is as it was.
   So, I guess my case is not too bad and I should not complain, but these early wakings are draining at this point.
   This thread reminded me of Wake-to-Sleep which had helped us in the past, so I'll try that :)
   Thank you all who has read up to this point!! Seems like it was more a "need to vent" post, than a real "Need help!" one :)
   But I appreciate any advice and input you might have!!
Hugs and hot chocolate to all of you, mommies, who are in the same boat!!
Title: Re: 18 month sleep regression support thread-part 3
Post by: Scottishmummy on January 22, 2017, 07:17:12 am
Sorry you didn't get replies. This thread is quiet right now.

How are things going now?

FWIW now I think I'd try to stop giving early feeds as this can become a habit and reinforce EW. I'd try walk in walk out instead of leaving to cry: Toddlers: Walk In/Walk Out vs. The Gradual Withdrawal Method (HOW TO CHOOSE)

HTH. Please post on main board for more support if needed xx