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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: chuckmum on February 17, 2015, 07:56:37 am
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My lb is 6 months old and not slept particularly well since we stopped swaddling him at 3.5 months (this coincided with the 4 month sleep regression and we had a month of waking every hour). Since then things have settled down a bit but he's only ever slept through the entire night 3 times.
The recent pattern is that he wakes up somewhere between 2.30 and 4am (usually 4am but not every night) and wants to play. It tends to take me one to two hours to settle him and he then sleeps until 6.30-7am.
I have tried going in straight away, and leaving him until he starts to cry before going in but he usually turns himself round to the bottom of the cot and starts banging his head and so I go in to stop this. I then try to settle him with two hands in his back (to stop him wriggling) and reassuring words. He'll lie quiet and calm like this for at least 10 minutes but his eyes are wide open! I'll usually end up sitting by his cot until he starts to cry and then doing pupd which eventually get him off to sleep.
He's been on an EASY routine since he was 3.5 months (below) and we have had a good bedtime routine since he was 6 weeks. He mostly goes down for naps reasonably well (he's a spirited baby but as long as we follow the wind down routine he's usually ok). He sometimes wakes 30 minutes into his afternoon nap but usually resettles with a hand on his back.
We started blw about 3 weeks ago and in the last week or so he has started consuming a decent amount of solids. He hasn't reduced his milk intake yet. I know random wake up times are a sign if hunger but he takes so much milk before bed and in the dream feed that I just don't think he can be hungry. I figure I wouldn't be able to get him to settle if he was hungry. We have given him milk at times during the wake ups when we really can't get him to settle but have found he's then not keen for his morning milk and are worried about getting into a cycle of him taking more milk at night than during the day.
Any suggestions to stop the night time waking? I'm gradually extending his first activity time up to 3 hours.
E- 7am (6-7oz formula)
A- 7.30 (including solids for breakfast)
S - 9.15-9.30 (usually sleeps for 1-1hr 15)
E- 10.15-10.30 (6-7oz formula)
A - 11 (including solids for lunch about 12)
S - 1.15-1.30 (usually sleeps for 1 -1 hr 30 with one resettle)
E- 2.30-3 (6-7oz formula)
A- 3.30 (including solids for supper about 4.30)
E - 5.30- 6 (depending on time of waking from last nap) -12oz formula
A - bath, story, song
S - 6 -6.30
Dream feed - 10.30 (6oz formula)
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Hi and welcome to BW.
Does he have a cat nap between the 1pm nap and BT or is he fully on 2 naps now? If so, that's quite a long A to BT but if he's not waking up in the early part of the night it could be such a stretch suits him.
I would look at stretching that first A too slightly but it might be that he prefers a shorter A in the morning if he likes a longer one in the afternoon iykwim? That nap does look a little UT so I would extend that first A by 15mins, hold for three days then maybe extending again.
NW's in the latter part of the night tend to signal UT, but tbh your total sleep looks ok unless you feel he's LSN (low sleep needs)? Also, how does he go to sleep? Would you consider him an independent sleeper?
Also, it's great he's doing well at the solids and he's taking a decent amount of milk too. Do remember that 'solids before one is just for fun' so if you do see a dramatic decrease in his milk intake, I'd scale the solids back. Milk has a higher calorie and nutritional value for them before one.
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Thank you so much for your reply, it's so nice to have another opinion. Good point about his milk being his main nutrition.
He dropped his catnap a few weeks ago and it seems to have reduced the NW from two plus to just one and meant that he sleeps until 7am rather than 6am. I am conscious though that it is a long A before bed. We brought bedtime forward so that he's up for a maximum of 3.5 hours after his afternoon nap (we felt that starting the bedtime routine before 5.30 was too early) but he has been having a few wake ups early evening so it probably is too long for him. I will try to extend his first A and hopefully that will give us a bit more time at the end of the day.
Despite lots of hard work I wouldn't call him an independent sleeper. We do the wind down routine with a very short story, a couple of verses of twinkle twinkle and then hold him still for a minute to two and then put him down. He usually snuggles down and goes to sleep. If we put him down more awake he is head up and on his hands and knees and it's really difficult to get him to lie down and go to sleep.
He's started waking up 20minutes into each nap and bedtime which I think means he's overtired. He settles reasonably quickly with a hand on his back but if you leave him he just escalates. When you go in he's on his hands and knees rocking or on his back flailing (he's a tummy sleeper). I'm maybe pushing his A too quickly so I'll maybe drop back slightly and then extend more gradually.
Any tips for helping him self soothe?
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I think you're doing brilliantly hun, you're watching for all the warning signs and have adapted to his needs.
It's very good to know that the NW's have reduced since cutting his CN. I'm actually thinking the 20mins wu might be slightly UT and the issue about him not being a totally independent sleeper. As he is spirited, your wind down routine looks perfect, I'd just look at putting him down before he hits the drowsy point. You might have to do this gradually so a minute earlier every couple of days. I think gradually extending the first A time will help with this anyway, as he'll be too tired to try to get up on his hands and knees.
Tbh, this is a tricky time for sleep as they do try to learn their new skills at nighttime and nap time, but it usually coincides with a need to push the A times slightly and this resolves it. As long as you give them plenty of time to practise during A times.
Once you extend the first A, you can knock off some of the A time before BT. I'd aim for 3hrs max last thing and see if those OT early NW's resolve.
Do you follow the wonder weeks at all? That has saved my sanity on more than one occasion!
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Thanks!
I pushed him to nearly 3 hours A first thing and reduced his last A to just over 3 hours by the time he was in bed AND.......he slept from 6.15 until 5.50am!! Not counting our chickens yet but fingers tightly crossed. Hopefully I can continue to push bedtime back a bit so that he doesn't wake so early but for now that is a vast improvement :)
The wonder weeks is great. Apparently there is a sunshine coming after what feels like months of storm clouds!
Thank you so much for your help xx
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My pleasure hun. I'm so glad we're out of the wonder weeks stuff now. Mind you, except for teething I can't blame NW's on anything anymore ;)
Pop back if you need to. There's a great link about shifting BT back that I'll post for you in a min x
How to Adjust to Daylight Savings it works in that you shift the entire routine slowly just like we do with daylight savings. Hth
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Hi again,
Last week we had about 5 nights of nearly 12 hour sleeps (6.30pm to 6am) after lengthening his first A time :) but unfortunately things have gone backwards again with several NW. He is desperate to chew on anything and is very snotty so I'm trying not to be too down heartened and hoping that we'll get back on track again when he stops teething and gets over his cold.
I have two further questions which I was wondering if you could help with.
Firstly - the dream feed. We have done this since he was 4m and in the last month or so have gradually been trying to reduce the volume and bring the time forward slightly. We now give 5oz at 10.15pm however the last 4 nights he has woken about 15-30 minutes before the dream feed is due. We don't know whether we should be settling him with pupd or just giving the dream feed early. Our worry with giving him it early is that we are essentially feeding him back to sleep. Although we gave it when he woke up last night and it took an hour to settle him back to sleep. He is not hungry for his morning milk (at 6.30am) and so I don't think he necessarily needs the calories. Do you think it would be worth trying to go cold turkey on the dream feed now? Or would it be better to move it forward to try to pre-empt the wake up by giving it earlier or settle him back down with pupd and they feed a bit later?
Secondly, we are trying really hard to improve his ability to be an independent sleeper but we are really struggling. As I said above he is spirited when it comes to sleep. We therefore put him in his sleeping bag, darken the room, read a very quick story (same one each time) and sing a couple of verses of twinkle twinkle. If we have got the timing right and he's not OT then he will then be very calm and after a couple of minutes of holding we put him down and he rolls on to his tummy, snuggles down and goes to sleep. We have been trying to reduce the length of time we hold him for at naps and bedtime but even if he is calm in your arms if you put him down too early he looks like he's going to snuggle down but is then head up, smiling and starts crawling around in his cot. It then takes a good amount of time to calm him down again (usually taking him out of the cot, calming him down in your arms and trying again). Any tips to help with this process or do you think we should just keep going and hopefully eventually he will learn? I know the aim is to be able to put him in his cot wide awake and leave him but I can't see him ever going from on his hands and knees playing, to settling himself down to sleep. During his NW he will play for a but but then start crying and need settling by hand on his back or pupd.
Any tips or advice is gratefully received. Many thanks,
Katy x
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Hi Katy, that's amazing news! Yep, those NW's definitely sound like teething I'm afraid, it's a case of riding that out. Ibuprofen works really well for teething.
Ah the dreamfeed, I went back and forth about this one when DD was 7/8mo. I did as you did and reduced the amount. It was only when she wasn't interested in her morning milk I knew I had to do something. I was so scared to drop it cold turkey but after a couple of glasses of wine and DH saying not to do it that night, it gave me the confidence to drop it! Never looked back. Personally I would give it a go and drop it and see what happens. You may find he'll wake slightly earlier in the morning for a little while, but that usually settles. Wdyt?
Wrt IS, it sounds like what you're doing is perfect. Spirited lo's need the extra time to settle down. If the NW's don't require you to rock back to sleep or anything too long winded, I'm thinking your wind down suits him for now. Again, reducing the time you hold him ever so slowly will help in the long run, even though there will be bumps in the road when they get more mobile etc. Don't doubt yourself hun, you are technically doing everything by the book! Let me know how it goes x
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Thanks Kelly.
We were very brave and didn't do the dream feed last night! He woke up at 10.30, 11.30 and 12.45 but I managed to settle him back down with a hand. He then woke at 3.45 and I got him back with a bit of rocking. I decided that I wanted to settle him sooner rather than later as he tends to escalate and so some APop wasn't the end of the world. He then slept until 7am when he still wasn't desperate for his morning milk!
We will continue to persevere with the IS. When he wakes at 3/4am he just wants to play and so I'm realising that this has more to do with his daytime sleep rather than his ability to IS. I get the feeling he goes back to sleep when he's ready rather than anything I do to help him but likes a but of company while he's doing it so we need to work on that. Hopefully keeping him up longer in the morning will reduce the NW so it will be less of an issue.
Again thank you very much for your help and reassurance. I'll let you know how we get on!
Xx
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Well done you!! Brilliant! I'd try and keep a log of the NW's and see if there's any correlation between those and the daytime sleep as you said. A good week of logging and you can normally see a pattern. Pop back with the logs if you want any help x
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Hi again.
We're struggling with NW again. I've kept a log for the past 5 days and we've had one good night (wed) but otherwise we've had some long NW and we are both exhausted. I know 5 days isn't really long enough to see a pattern but I would be grateful if you had any initial thoughts as to what to try.
He's pretty much on 2 hrs 50/55 min A but the length of naps is really varied. We usually to get him settled in bed 3 hours after his last nap but last night due to swimming his last map was late so we did a 2 hour A time before bed to see if that made any difference but we were up at 2.30am for 2 hours.
He was snotty at the beginning of the week but that has resolved and no teeth have appeared. We given him Calpol most nights and sometimes again during the night. He is learning to crawl and is now pulling himself up but we give him plenty of time to practice.
I'm really at a loss to know if he is OT or UT or maybe cumulatively OT? Do you think I should be extending his A time (he's now nearly 7.5 months) or trying to get him more daytime sleep? He gets tired after about 2hr 30 A time but goes down well (for a spirited baby!) after just under 3 hours of A time. He's always happy and smiley after his naps.
Mon
WU - 5.30
E - 6.30
A - 5.30 - 8.20
S - 8.20 - 11 (woke after 40 mins but resettled by holding/rocking)
E - 11
A - 11- 1.50
S - 1.50 - 3.30
E - 3.30
A - 3.30 - 6.30
E - 6
BT - 6.30
(No dream feed)
NW - 8.30, 10.30 - 11.30, 12.45, 3.45-4.15
Tues
WU - 7
E - 7
A - 7 - 9.50
S - 10-11.30
E - 11.30
A - 11.30 - 2.30
S - 2.30-3.45
E - 4
A - 3.45 - 6.45
E - 6
BT- 6.45
NW - 8.30 (snot!), 10.30-11.30, 4.15-5.45
Wed
WU - 7.10
E - 7.15
A - 7.10 - 10
S - 10 - 11
E - 11
A - 11 - 1.50
S - 1.50 - 2.20 ( 25 mins pupd - 3.30)
E - 3.30
A 3.30 - 6.30
E - 6
BT - 6.30
NW - 7.15, 10.30
Thurs
WU 6.45
E - 7
A - 6.45 - 9.40
S - 9.40 - 10.40
E - 11
A - 10.40 - 1.35
S - 1.35 - 2.40
E - 3
A - 2.40 - 6
E - 5.30
BT - 6
NW - 6.15-6.35, 10.30, 12 - 12.30, 2,30 (wet nappy) - 4, 5-5.30 (given 5oz milk)
Fri
WU 7.15 (woken up)
E - 7.30
A - 7.15 - 9.50 (earlier nap due to swimming)
S - 9.50 - 10.45
E - 10.45
A - 10.45 - 12.30
S - 12.30 - 1 (Fell asleep in car on way home from swimming)
A - 1 - 3.15
S - 3.15 - 4.10
E - 4.15
A - 4.10 - 6.20
E - 5.45
BT - 6.20
NW - 7.15, 1-3 (given Calpol and 5oz milk)
Sat
WU 6.10
I'll keep logging but am grateful for any initial thoughts xx
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I'm so sorry for the late reply hun, I completely missed your post. :'(
How's things going now? Nothing jumps out immediately to me wrt your routine if I'm honest. It may just be purely developmental with all the new skills he's learning. Ibuprofen tends to be better for teething rather than paracetamol so I would try that in future.
It is very interesting to see that the NW's were worse after a shorter A to BT. That day it looked like he had 3 naps if I'm right? I know one of them was short.. Hmmm. Generally they look like OT WU's after BT to me, but as that happened after only 2hrs A to BT, it can't be the case. I'm going to lean towards developmental issues in this case. Is he in a wonder week at all? Xx
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Don't worry, thanks for your reply! We had a rubbish weekend with lots of long NW and early starts. On Sunday we decided he was completely OT due to losing a lot of sleep overnight and short naps and did one session of pupd during his afternoon nap and he went back to sleep for another 1hr and 25 mins. We then did a 2.5h A to BT and we had one wake up at 10.30 for 45 mins but then he slept until 6am.
The last couple of days I've been APoping a cat nap as he's had early and short afternoon naps. I can't settle him in his cot at this time so I've just been letting him sleep on me for about 30 mins. Last night we did BT about 2h 15 after wake from cat nap and had no NW at all!!
I know it's wrong to let him sleep on me but figure the extra sleep is better overall.
For the first time ever today he settled himself down to sleep from wriggling around his cot so fingers tightly crossed he's starting to learn to self soothe!
He has got a lot going on as he's just learnt to crawl and is now pulling himself up. Apparently we are in the sunshiny bit between leaps at the moment!
Fingers crossed for a few more good nights. I'll let you know how we get on and thanks again for your help.
Xx
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Fingers crossed for you hun. That might be a good thing to know about the shorter A to BT. I wouldn't worry about a bit of apop when they're OT. We all think it's best for them to catch up on sleep any way they can x
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Aaaarrrgghhhh! It's all gone pear shaped again :(
We had some really good nights last week with no NW at all. I really thought I had cracked it with a short A time until BT. Unfortunately something unsettled him on Friday and he had a short morning nap and I was unable to settle him back down. We then seem to have spiralled in to OT with long NW and EMW.
I was hoping that a long morning nap yesterday morning with some APoping would sort him out but we really struggled to get him down for a late afternoon nap. He was still really tired when he woke up but despite starting bedtime half an hour later he was still really difficult to settle.
Here are our logs from last week but I am really struggling to see a pattern. We've been dosing him up with Calpol and Nurofen as he is desperate to chew but there are no signs of any teeth.
Sun
WU- 6.10
S - 8.55 - 10.45
S - started nap routine at 1.30, wriggled around cot with pupd couple of times then self settled at 2
Woke at 3 crying. Cuddle and singing went back to sleep until 4.25!
A - 4.30 - 7
BT - 7
NW - 10.30- 11.15
Mon
WU - 5.45 (stopped crying when in room so unable to do pupd, milk and tried to resettle but unable to - up at 6.45)
S - 8.55 - 9.55 (tried to resettle by pops/singing & rocking)
S - 1-1.30 (20 mins of pupd then rocking for further 25 mins sleep -2.15)
S - 4-4.30 (APop - rocked to sleep in my arms and slept on me)
BT - 6.40 but 7.15 by the time he settled
NW - none!!
Tues
WU 6.30
S - 9.20 - 10.50
S - 2-2.30 (in pram on way to sensory)
S - 4.20-4.50 (APop on me!)
BT - 6.50 (asleep by 7.15 after some controlled crying)
NW - none!!
Wed
WU - 6am
S - 9.05- 10.20
S - 1-3.10
BT - 6 (asleep by 6.15)
NW - 7.15, 11.30-1, 5-6.20
Thurs
WU - 7.30
S - 10.05 - 11.15
S - 2.15 - 4.15
BT - 6.15 (settled by 6.40)
NW - 7.20
Fri
WU - 6am
S - 9.05 - 9.35 (tried to resettle but screamed for 15 mins then gave milk and still not settling down)
S - 12.45 - 1.15 (car on the way home from swimming)
S- 3.10-3.30 settled on Pete until 4
BT - 6.15
NW - 9.15, 1-2.30 (given calpol and 6oz milk)
Sat
WU - 6.30
S - 9.30-10.30
S- 1.30 - 2.30 (tried to put down at 1.15 but took a while to settle)
S - 4,45 - 5.10 (APop on me with lots of rocking and singing)
BT - 6.50 but 7.30 by time settled
NW - 11, 3-5 (given 6oz milk and nurofen)
Sun
WU - 7.25
S - 10.30 - 11.20 (rocked and cuddled for 20 mins) then slept until 1.15
S - tried to out down at 4.15 but unable to settle despite rocking. 4.45-5.10
(Still very tired therefore started BT at 5.40)
BT - difficult to settle but asleep by 6.40
NW - 2-3.30
Mon
WU - 5.30
S - 8.40- 9.15 (resettled with 20 mins hand/pupd -
We are really struggling to know what to do with him during his long NW. We've used pupd in the past (not as religiously as we should have and some AP with rocking and singing has sneaked in) but now he is too heavy and we've had to drop his cot so pu is really hard on our backs. The nights that I have given him milk he's guzzled it but it doesn't seem to send him back to sleep unless he is ready to go anyway (usually after about 90mins) so I don't think he is hungry. He wriggles or gets frustrated with a firm hand on his back and if you leave him alone and sit with him he pulls himself up on the bars (but then can't lie back down). If you leave the room he screams instantly.
We have really trusted the BW techniques up to now but we are starting to lose faith as we don't know how to settle him which means we are usually up for 1.5-2 hours if he wakes in the night. We are seriously considering controlled crying as the gentle approach doesn't seem to be working.
As always, any advice will be gratefully received xx
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S you may know hun controlled crying is really not supported on is site as Tracy believed it broke the bonds of trust between a LO and its caregiver. Crying is his way of communicating with you and must be listened to to know how to move forward. Trust me, it will only make matters worse int he long term. I'll post a link for you to have a read through.
It does sound like OT has built up there doesn't it? That and teething might be at play. What it does look like from the days you have posted is that the NW's are worse when he's had more DT sleep. Can you see that? For example Monday was only 2hrs total DT sleep and there were no NW's. Wednesday was definitely the worst for NW's and he had 3hrs 25mims of DT sleep. Then by Friday I think the OT has built up and teething is starting.
Typical Amounts of Day and Night Sleep
Cry it out (CIO): 10 reasons why it is not for us
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I know and I don't think I could actually go through with CC. I just feel desperate in the middle of the night when nothing will settle him back down and he's been up for 2 hours :'(
Do we continue with pupd but without the pu part?
So the ideal solution (for now!) is that he has 2-2.5 hrs of daytime sleep with about 2-2.5 hours between last nap and bedtime and then sleeps for 12 hours. That's what was happening early last week but I don't understand how it went wrong so quickly. How do I prevent him becoming OT which then leads to long NW, poor naps and accumulating OT?
I extended his morning nap today with pupd and the APop and despite that he was really tired after 3 hours A time and he has been asleep for 1h 15 now. I'm hoping this gets him over the OT but now I'm worried that he'll have had to much daytime sleep and will be up again tonight.
Thank you for you help xx
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Don't worry sweetie, it's hard in the middle of the night. Just keep repeating to yourself that it's just a phase. Yep, I'd continue as you have been with the pd, just be as consistent as you can. Use your words and your night time phrase over and over.
OT can happen at anytime hun even if he's on a routine that works for him. This can be because of teething or because he's learning a new skill. We just have to roll with it until it passes.
I'd just try and see if we can keep to no longer than 1.5hrs per nap for now and see if that helps initially. With that the CN will go if we're around the 3hrs A time anyway. That'll be around 3hrs DT sleep and offering 12hrs at night which is around average. If we hold that for a while we can see where we need to go from there x
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I'm so confused :'( We had a rubbish night last night. He was up from 2-4am then woke at 5.25am and I haven't been able to settle him back down.
Do you think this is OT or UT?
Our day yesterday was:
WU- 5.40
S - 8.35 - 10.20
S - 1.30 - 2.30 (Crying when trying to settle, woke coughing after 30 mins but settled easily. Woke for class)
S - 4.10-4.30 in carrier
BT - tried to settle at 6.20 but took until 6.50
NW - 9, 2-4, 5.25
So he had a 13hr 10 day ( we were aiming for a 12.5 hr day but he wouldn't settle) with 3 hours of daytime sleep. I let him sleep a little longer in the morning as I knew I would need to wake him early in the afternoon.
I don't know if I should be trying to cap his daytime sleep at 2.5hr or if he's actually OT and that will make everything worse.
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What is he doing when he is awake in the night?? Does it always escalate to an 'I need you' cry?
I think it is partly developmental and partly that the last CN needs to go. Sleep that late in the day is likely leading to interrupted nights.
So mainly just a getting older/ things changing thing. The CN sometimes gives the decent night after a bit of OT creeps in I guess.
I do think sleep can just get very unsettled when things are in transition.
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He wakes up crying. When we go to him and try and settle him down he'll lie still for a few minutes with your hand on him but then wants to wriggle around his cot and pull himself up on the bars. We have never not gone into him as we don't think he'll settle himself (it's not a mantra cry). If you try to leave to let him play in his cot on his own he cries instantly and doesn't stop until you go back in. Usually what happens is after about 1.5 hours of wriggling/standing/trying to be settled he's tired enough and eventually a hand on his back will settle him.
Yesterday I forced the catnap in the carrier as he had been up since 2.30pm and we've proven that he can't do long activity times to bed so even a 5.30 bedtime was going to be too long.
This morning he went down 3hr 10 after waking (at 8.40) and slept for an hour but woke up really upset. I tried really hard to settle him but he just screamed until I gave him some milk. He seems grumbly and tired now but his next nap is due at 1pm so we are going to end up in the same situation as yesterday with a long activity time even to an early bedtime. It's so hard!!!
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Hugs, doesn't sound like fun :(. Just a few observations - here 1h naps (and 1h45 for some reason...) tend to happen when LO is overtired. He had a broken less than 11h night which can't be very restful....what was his mood like before that nap? Was it a stretch to do the A time?
I agree with Liz the catnap almost certainly has to go though. I would actually abandon it entirely even if it's a long A time to bed, and instead do a super-early bedtime if needs be. The only exception perhaps being only two super-short naps in the day. So yesterday I would have gone for a 5.30/6 bedtime. Yes I know he can't handle long A times before bed but by giving the catnap of 20 mins he potentially lost an hour or more's night sleep at the beginning of the night, and some more overnight from the long NW. An early bedtime at least gives the chance that if he wakes after say 10h it's well before his body thinks it is time to get up for the day so you are more likely to get him back down.
Unfortunately there's no quick fix for any sleep silliness - I keep trying to find one so I do sympathise! But I would maybe stick with two naps and just hang in there for a while xx
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Thanks all for your replies.
We've dropped the catnap and have been doing bedtime at 5.30. Unfortunately we've been having a lot of night wakings (about every hour or two throughout the night) but he has been slightly easier to settle. He's been waking up between 5.25 and 5.50 and it's been impossible to settle him then but I figure he's probably getting hungry by then. Hopefully when the clocks change it will move us to more sociable times!
I'll continue to log our EASY and NW and let you know how we get on.
Thanks x
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Glad they're easier to settle hun, that's so much better than long-drawn out ones x
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Help please! I'm trying to stay positive and hope that things get better soon but we seem to be going the wrong way :'(
Last night we was up nearly every 1.5 hours from about 9pm. He woke at 5am and despite rocking, cuddling, singing and milk my husband and I could not get him back down. He was calm and looked asleep in my arms at about 6am after some milk but the second I put him down he was head up, smiling and blowing raspberries.
Here is our EASY for the past few days (for my own calculations I've added total daytime sleep (TDS) and length of day (LD). I haven't includes his milk and meals but he's having about 5-7oz of formula at about 6.30, 10.30, 1.30 (depending on afternoon nap) and then 12-14oz before bed and three blw meals a day)
Wed 18th
WU - 5.25
S - 8.35- 9.40
S - 1- 2.20
BT - 5.30
NW - 6.30, 7.30, 9, 10.30, 11.30, 2-2.45
TDS - 2hr 25
LD. - 12h
Thur 19th
WU - 5.50
S - 9-10.30
S - 1.35 - 2.20
BT - 5.30 (settled by 5.45)
NW - 8-9 (lots of wake ups), 12.20-12.50, 2-2.30, 3
TDS - 2h 15
LD - 12h
Fri 20th
WU - 5.40
S- 9 - 10.20
S - 1.50 - 3
BT - 5.50
NW - 8.30, 10.20, 10.45, 11.30 (self settled), 2-2.30. 3.45, 5 (given milk and tried to resettle but unable)
TDS - 2h 30
LD - 12h 10
Sat 21st
WU - 5 (up at 6.30)
He's having such broken nights that I wonder if he's accumulating OT but it's so hard to tell with him and earlier in the week and last week I was trying to catch him up on sleep and we were having long NW were he wanted to play.
What do you think we should do?
Thanks xx
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Just to add... I have no idea how to get him to even a 5.30 bedtime today :'(
He woke at 5am and I put him down after 3 hours as he'd had such a broken night, hoping for a long nap. He slept for 1h 15 min so now he's been awake since 9.15. I tried to resettle but he screamed and screamed and now seems quite happy. He does a maximum of 3h 15 - 30 activity time and usually naps for 1hr to 1hr 15min.
Xx
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Hugs, it may have to be a three nap day today, that happens. Just do your best to get through and start again tomorrow morning xx
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I'm sorry to keep posting but we are really struggling and I don't know whether to preserve or if we are making the problem worse.
We have continued with no catnap and 5.30pm bedtimes but he has woken at 5am the past 2 mornings after waking pretty much every 1.5 hrs throughout the night.
We have tried everything to try and settle him back down at 5am to give us a better chance of getting into a normal routine but he is wide awake.
I don't know whether to keep pushing his activity times or if he's actually OT from lots of short interrupted nights. Yesterday I pushed him up to 3.5 hours and he seemed ok and only gets a bit grumbly at the end of his activity period although he did wake from his afternoon nap after 30 mins so was probably overtired then.
Do you think his frequent NW and EMW is from OT or U?
Thanks xx
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Waking so often throughout the night is usually from teething in this house hun. Is there any signs of that going on? Could try medicating with ibuprofen to see if that makes a difference? ((Hugs)) I know NW's are hard work, we've all been there xx