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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Chloevalentine on April 07, 2015, 10:50:18 am
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What are some reasons why lo is having ew's?
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Can you post your routine hun? Would help to see what's going on. EW can really be OT or UT. For us, my DS woke at 5:30am pretty much every day for the first 2 years of his life no matter how great his naps were, what time he went to bed etc. We did find that being OT played a significant role and many find the same if they are undertired as well.
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im just finding that his nights are shorter. Went from 12 hours to 11 sometimes 10.5! Yesterday he was up before 7 but didn't falll asleep the night before until after 8. His nap was good ( better than its been) at a full 1.5 12:50-220 then into crib at 740 asleep by 8. we used to do a 12 hour day he would wake at 730 nap from around 1230-130/2 then into bed and asleep by 730. Now that I'm trying to push nap later it seems bedtime gets later but he wakes earlier in morning. I guess he's just changing his sleep needs a bit?
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How old is he?
Now that I'm trying to push nap later
Are you pushing nap later to get more A time in to get a longer nap?
I guess he's just changing his sleep needs a bit?
It isn't entirely uncommon for nights to shorten while they are still napping. At almost 3 on the days my DS has a nap his nights are usually only 10ish hours, but extend if we have a NND.
we used to do a 12 hour day
This is a good general rule to go by, however as they get older their naps can eat into their nights. Depends on age though.
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He's 21 months. Yes I was trying to push nap out because I was getting short naps but it backfired and then was getting crying fussing 50 min naps and no nap days. Although his molars were coming through too. So I just started trying again to push nap until 1. Yeaterday he fell asleep at 1250 and did a full 1 hour and 30 mins woke at 220. But I'm wondering about bedtime. We go up around 7 do bath pjs and some books then I to crib around 720/740 depending on his nap and he doesn't fall asleep until around 8! Then normally wet weeks up at 7. I was afraid of pushing the nap out too late and it making bedtime even later.
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I think if you have WU at 7, nap 1-2:30 and BT 7:30/8 that is a perfect routine. After my DS turned 2 his BT pushed to 8pm too and has stayed there ever since. I think it is just the reality of them getting older and sleep needs changing. If he starts mucking about after 8pm it may be time to cut the nap a bit.
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I just feel bad when he's awake in his crib for more than 30 mins :( but I've trued to put him in later but he just seems to need that 30 mins of alone time to unwind.
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Today he napped from 1-2:30 I woke him and into crib around 735 he was up until 8:10/8:15! I wonder if he just went down for nap at 1230 either he wouldn't be that tired and take a short nap or take a long one but be up earlier by 2 and maybe go down easier at bedtime. My husband does bedtime and also goes to bed himself by 8 since he wakes very earlier for work. So bedtime later does not work here. I'm at a lose
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It is for sure trial and error. I think you have 2 options if you do not want a BT later than 8pm. One is to bring the nap earlier like you said and have him up by 2pm, the risk with this is that he mucks around and doesn't end up falling asleep until later anyway. The other option is to keep nap time where it is and cap it further, to maybe 1hr or 1.15.
Do you think he seem UT at BT? Just curious because sometimes OT can manifest itself in similar ways.
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I did just start pushing nap to 1 from 12:30 and he is sleeping longer which I thought 1.5 was great until it starts messing with BT lol. I thought about the ot thing as well but I can't tell. He always did a 12 hour night and normally a shorter nap 1 hr 15 mins on average sonetimes shorter once in a while it was 2 hours but rare. Then he started giving me trouble at naptime so I decided to push it. In the end it was teeth that was the problem but now the nap seems to be great he literally passed out when he hits the crib. But he's starting to wake earlier I hear him moving around 630 and is usually up by 7 sonetimes earlier when it was consistently 730 for a long time. And bedtime is getting later with him not falling asleep until after 8. Just seems like a long day to me so I guess ot is possible but he's pretty pleasant up until we go up at 7 for bath. This used to be 645 but we pushed it out since the nap was pushed as well. In the end im getting longer naps but earlier wake time and later bedtime?
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It does sound like UT behaviour - if he is getting 10.5hr at night and a 1.5hr nap that's 12hrs sleep per day which is right around where it should be...slightly less.
Something else to remember is there is a pretty big developmental leap around 2yrs that can really muck things up. It could be that you just need to ride this out or you can try capping his nap and see if that extends his nights.
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I woke him today from nap 1-2:30 and put him into crib a little later at 745 but he's still awake in their at 8:10 and was up at 7 today. I just think that's a long day. And he was miserable when I woke him from nap.
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FWIW my DD takes a long time to settle at BT. I used to worry and stress about it and try changing nap length and BT and our wind down, etc, etc. It wasn't until she had a few days where she went to bed an hour or so later because we were out and she still took ages to settle that I realized it's just the way she is. It does not matter when BT is, it takes her 30-60 min to settle to sleep. Last night BT was 1 1/2 hours late and she still took an hour to settle down! Could your LO be the same?
DDs nights also shortened at that age. For her, part of it was teething causing the EW. A developmental leap could also be part of it. Like Lindsay said, 12 hours sleep is pretty good so I wouldn't worry too much especially if he's generally happy when awake. Honestly, now that I have a second and I don't have time to worry about DDs sleep I can see that her sleep was almost always ok and I was anxious over nothing. All you can do is offer opportunities to sleep - it's up to him what he does with it.
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Yes it definetly takes him the same time to fall asleep no matter when bedtime is. But today he was up at 7 napped from 1-2:30 went into crib at 740 and was up until 825! I just think that 830 is too late for a 21 month old to go to bed no? He seems to finally be taking a good nap settling well waking happy at 1.5 hours so I'm hesitant to cap it and I'm also hesitant to put him into crib any later than 740. Ugh. Well at least he's happy and not crying or calling for me. I guess I'm just surprised that my lo went from 730 wake 730 bedtime to this so quickly.
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But today he was up at 7 napped from 1-2:30 went into crib at 740 and was up until 825!
This really isn't that uncommon and I don't actually think it's a bad day - he still got 12hrs sleep in 24hrs which is pretty decent. I think a lot of it is the 2yr developmental leap, BT went completely haywire for us for a while at 2yrs.
And he was miserable when I woke him from nap.
If he was miserable you can certainly try not capping and see what happens. I think it'll just take some trial and error to figure out what works best :) If my DS is OT I can expect BT to be a battle.
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I definitely found with both of mine that there was a balance between night sleep and naps at this age. With my DD1 she did wake up 8am and napped for 2.5 hours then bed about 9. Usually we got an 11 hour night. My DD2 would have done the same but at that stage DD1 was doing 7.30 bedtime and it seemed silly to have the toddler up nearly 2 hours later. So I had cut her nap way back at this age and it was gone by 2yo. She then did a 12/12.5 hour night.
I think though you can't have both. After a nap of 1 hour plus at this age both mine would have needed 5.5/6 hours A time so I think what you are describing is normal. I'd expect 8.30 bedtime after that nap he had. You will likely find he will start protesting at too early a bedtime at some stage and you will have to either do later bedtime to be fair to the A time he needs after a nap or else work to shorten that nap. With my first the later bedtime suited us and I got a good break in the day. The no nap sucked with the second one but worth it for the same bedtimes. The days she napped I knew bedtime had to be later.
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He's talking so much!! He fell asleep at 830 last night and was up a bit after 630 this morning! It's just not like him nor enough sleep! Ugh. Maybe I should try to get him into crib a bit earlier? We've started reading books in his room after bath just to have some quiet time together i wonder if it's not a good idea.
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How is he during the day? Generally happy or crabby?
He's talking so much!!
^^ This. Major language leap around 2 years so you may find that it throws things off a bit.
It's just not like him nor enough sleep!
I think his sleep needs are just changing hun. Many LOs drop the nap completely by 2yrs so I think it's just him self regulating. The thing you have to keep in mind is total sleep in 24hrs. If his night + his nap is giving him 12hrs of sleep then I'd say that's completely normal.
You will likely find he will start protesting at too early a bedtime at some stage and you will have to either do later bedtime to be fair to the A time he needs after a nap or else work to shorten that nap.
^^ This also. The day may seem long but in order to get decent sleep the right amount of A time is always required.
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Major language leap around 2 years so you may find that it throws things off a bit.
If his night + his nap is giving him 12hrs of sleep then I'd say that's completely normal.
I completely agree with both of these! If you need a break in the day, I would keep things as they are. If he's happy in his bed, it's fine if he takes a long time to settle to sleep if the routine works for your family. I used to worry a lot about 10 hr nights but they are common with a language leap and combined with the nap he still had a decent amount of sleep.
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I want to say that this ew and falling asleep later and later at night started when I changed the nap from 1230 to 1. I'm going to put him down at 1230 today and see how he does.
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I tried the nap at 1230 but he cried and I had to wiwo he fell asleep at 1250 until 210 1 hr 20 mins which is a bit shorter from the 1-230 nap. But he was exhausted tonight yawning at dinner and the rest of the night so I took him up 15 mins earlier and put him into crib by 720. He was up chatting away (even though he was clearly tired) until 750. Clearly still taking him 30 mins to fall asleep no matter how tired he is. Maybe he will sleep later tomorrow morning.
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I tried the nap at 1230 but he cried and I had to wiwo he fell asleep at 1250 until 210 1 hr 20 mins which is a bit shorter from the 1-230 nap.
If this is the case I would probably just stick to the 1pm nap - he is too UT to go down at 12:30
Clearly still taking him 30 mins to fall asleep no matter how tired he is.
Again, I think this is really normal and is just a cause of his sleep needs changing and developmental things happening.
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I think you are right! Today he was up at 640 which is earlt for him and went down easy for nap at 1245/1250 he was tired and clingy this morning.
What is typical A times and nap/bedtimes for 21/22 month old? Most of the kids in his gym class still nap about 2 hours with a 13 hour day.
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So the past few days lo has been going down for nap with no issues around 1245 until about 2/205 and into crib at 730 still taking him about 30 mins to fall asleep aroubd 8/810. But he's waking early yesterday around 630 and he's exhausted later in the day yawning like crazy and hasnt been eating dinner he just sits in his highchair like a zombie and he's been cranky and fussy. I assume it's due to him only getting 10 hours night sleep when he used to do 12 and only an 1 hr 15 min nap! Ugh I'm at a loss as to what to do?!
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I think this might just be a blip you need to ride out. I would bet it's a language leap.
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Last night I decided to put lo to bed 30 mins earlier than usual at 7:10 and it still took him 30 mins to fall asleep but was asleep by 740 opposed to after 8 and he's still asleep this morning at 7:15!! Yipee. I think he was just ot and for some reason he doesn't catch up at naptime any more and going to bed after 8 and waking befire 6 with a 1 hr nap was catching up with him. I'm going to do nap around 1245 which is what I've been doing and he's usually up by 2. I hope he's not yawning all night tonight and cranky and might actually eat some dinner. Going to try the earlier bedtime again too!
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I hope it goes well!
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Tonight not so good! He's still awake at 815!
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We get lots of nights like that. I know this isn't really sleep advice but what I found most helpful is turning off the monitor. I think your routine is ok and he's getting a decent amount of sleep so it's really a matter of just going with it without worry. Keeping the monitor off (or out of the room I'm in) really helped me to relax and stop worrying about how long DD takes to go to sleep. I do check it about 30 mins after she goes to bed and then again after an hour so I have a general idea of when she went to sleep but not having it right in front of me keeps me from obsessing and thinking about what I should have done differently or how I can "make" her go to sleep. A wise BWer on here told me that, as parents, all we can do is offer the opportunity to sleep and it's up to the LO to take it or not.
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Isn't there any way to get him to sleep past 620 am?! It doesn't matter when I put him to bed at night but he's waking earlier every day. What can I do to get him to sleep a bit later in morning? He's only doing about a 1 hour nap from 1-2 and into crib by 730 asleep by 8.
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I am wondering if he's a bit OT hun? My DS woke up at 5:30am for the first 2 years of his life so I know how hard EWs are. I think if he's up at 6:20 and only napping 1hr I'd be starting bedtime routine at 6:30pm and try to keep his day to 12-13hrs.
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That's what im going to do. If I get him into crib at 7 he won't fall asleep until 730 anyway. Tiday he was up at 630 only took a 30 min nap in car.
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I'd shoot for an EBT today then :)
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He went into crib a little after 7 and was asleep by 730 but was up even earlier today at 6:15!! Ugh I'm going to do nap at 1230 instead of 1. I wonder if I'm waking him up in the morning when I get up although it's never been a problem before. We did recently change his music in his room to a white noise machine. Maybe it's just not keeping out enough noise?
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Well he slept for under an hour. 1230-120/125. This kids got to be exhausted I don't get it?! It's going to be a long afternoon!
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He went into crib by 705 and wasn't asleep until almost 8 and was up again today at 615! My husband walked past his room this morning and he woke up. He's been waking up wheh we walk past his room very quietly and his white noise machine is on. Not sure why he's waking up. I walk past his room every day! What can I do? His naps are also short! Ugh
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Hun I really think it's a change in his sleep needs and part of the 2yr developmental leap. My DS was exactly the same at this age. I'm not sure there is anything you can do other than offer him opportunities to sleep, and ride it out. For me, all the tweaking and guessing what time he needed to nap, or what time BT needed to be was driving me crazy, so I just stuck with set nap and set BT and whatever happened, happened. I think he gives you better naps at 1pm so what about setting nap time at 1pm and BT at 7pm? If it takes him and hour to fall asleep, so be it.
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We've always done set nap and bed. It's just recently with him waking so early 615 today that I was making nap and bed a little earlier but nothing is working still doing under hour nap and taking a while to fall asleep and apparently waking early when he hears me in hall. I just think he's got to be ot by now. How can he be up from 615 until nap at 1? And if he does a good nap from 1-215/230 will he be ready for bed at 7? Just want to find a good routine and tweak if necessary but bed after 8 up at 6 and under an hour nap is not good!
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Hi there,
I've been following along with you because we are in a similar situation. Our routine was good and then took a weird turn and began having NW, EW and super long days- much like you.
With the help of these ladies, I realized I needed to push his nap forward (even with a WU of 6:00am) and keep the day at a 13 hour maximum. I was simply putting him down too UT, causing short naps and then too long of A time before bed causing EW- and on it goes!
I was getting 9.5 hours of night sleep from him and got 3 weeks of OT/UT loop. But we worked it out and I put him to bed early one night (kept it at exactly a 13 hour day after he took a good one hour nap) and he finally woke at 7:00am and did a 12hr night. Then I knew he was finally 'reset' and I pushed his nap forward so we have 7 hours A time, 1 hour nap, and 5/5.5 hour A before bed.
I hope this can help a little. I was in the same spot you are now just 3 days ago so I know how frustrating it is.
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Thanks so much for your post! It's so frustrating! So today he was up at 615 took a nap from 1245-2. Ive been putting him in crib at 7 and he doesn't fall asleep until 730 although last night it took him 45 mins and wasbt asleep until 8! Should I try to put him down for 7 so that hopefully hes asleep for 730. I've been doibg this but he's still waking up in morning earlier. Like I mentioned it seems like I'm waking him in morning by for some reasob
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I would just try and keep his day at 13 hours. Seems like he took a decent nap so maybe lay him down at 7:00 and fingers crossed he is asleep within 15/20mins. The 13 hour day with a one hour nap trick has worked here.
But see what the other ladies say. I'm not feeling confident with my advice today because after 3 perfect days in a row, DS refused his nap today and horribly OT and this is our first NND.....so take my advice with a grain of salt ;)
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We've been doing a 13 hr day too but still ew! I've had nnd and I just put him go bed after a 11.5-12 hour day and he'd actually sleep later the next day! Good luck to you
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Good luck to you as well! We need I remember this is only temporary ;) hugs to you
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We put him into crib at 7 he was asleep by 730 but up again this morning around 6:15! Ugh how can I get him back to a 7 am-730/8 pm routine? I thought maybe I was waking him but that's not the case. I'm thinking that it's lighter earlier in the morning now which might be waking him even though we have blackout curtains. Going to do a 1pm nap today just to see if it will help him sleep later tomorrow morning. So he will have almost 7 hours A time in morning and if he does 1-215 nap 5 hr + A time before bed. Maybe it will make a difference just hope we don't get ot from such a long morning A time.
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Hun I really think it's a change in his sleep needs and part of the 2yr developmental leap. My DS was exactly the same at this age. I'm not sure there is anything you can do other than offer him opportunities to sleep, and ride it out. For me, all the tweaking and guessing what time he needed to nap, or what time BT needed to be was driving me crazy, so I just stuck with set nap and set BT and whatever happened, happened. I think he gives you better naps at 1pm so what about setting nap time at 1pm and BT at 7pm? If it takes him and hour to fall asleep, so be it.
I whole-heartedly agree with this. The 6 am WU may be a blip or it may be your new normal but it's probably best to just go for a set nap and BT. My hand was forced when I went back to work and DD went to daycare. Naptime is at 12:30 and that's that. I stuck to the same at home and it worked and it was so much easier than worrying about A times and such.
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I've always done set nap and bedtime was just tweaking a bit being that he was up so early puttibg him down at 1230 for nap but after some suggestion that too early of a nsp could lead to ew I pushed it back again to 1 so far im getting the same nap about 1 hr - 1 hr 15 mins no matter what time he goes down and I've been putting him in crib at 7 pm and he's asleep by 730 and his wake up is still the same at 615 am! Nothing seems to make a difference. I'm just going to ride it out not much else I do I suppose. Would just really like to get back to a 7 am wake up :(
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Will he play on his own for a while?
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Nah he just calls "mommy mommy" today nap from 1-145! And woke crying and was cranky for a while! Ugh I give up. This kid is all over the place used to be such a good sleeper
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I'd put my money on a developmental leap. DD had 45 min naps and some no nap days at that age. Now at 32 months she is napping longer than she did 10 months ago. Her nights also lengthened again.
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So any suggestions on nap times and bedtime with a 615/630 wake up? I've been doing the 1 pm nap sonetimes it's 45 mins sometimes it's 1 hr 15 mins and into crib at night for 7 but it takes him 30 mins to fall asleep so 730 bedtime. On average 10-11 hrs night sleep 1 hr or less nap. Just trying to get a later wake up and maybe a 1.5 hr nap although im ok even with a 1 hr nap! Ps he was doing 12 hr night before this 7/730 morning - 730/8 bedtime with 1 hr 30/45 min nap as soon as the ew started everything else is thrown off I can't tell if he's ready for nap at 1230 or 1 ( seems like a long first A time) and I can't tell what bedtime works well. Should I try for later bedtime in hopes that he will sleep later in morning? I know how that can backfire lol ;)
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Today he stirred a bit but didn't sit up and start calling me until around 635/640 which was better his nap was good 1-230!! Wakes up starts crying and is cranky for a while though lately. Going to try for same bedtme into crib for 7 asleep by 730. Maybe after a good nap and shorter A time before bed he might sleep later tomorrow morning :)
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How'd your night go?
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He was up a bit later in the morning around 635/40 napped great from 1-230 woke up crying and cranky I kept bedtime the same putting him in crib a little after 7 around 710 ( because he had a meltdown / tantrum getting out of bath) and it took him almost an hour to fall asleep after 8! I think it must be a combo of language leap and the fact that it's lighter earlier in morning and later at night. He's waking up now at 630! That's about 10 hours of night sleep. Maybe I'll try the earlier nap today around 1245? I have no idea what else to try!
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He's been doing a 10 hr night with a 1 hr 15 min nap. Awake at 630 didnt fall asleep until after 8! Today we will be out at nap time so he will sleep on ride home probably not more than 40 mins going to try to have him in bed by 7 at the latest. I think it would be good to have him actually asleep by 7 but that means getting him into crib by 630 which seems so early to me plus it's still really light out. Lately he's been having a meltdown when it's time to get out of bath and get pjs on I can assume he's just ot by then.
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I think it would be good to have him actually asleep by 7 but that means getting him into crib by 630 which seems so early to me plus it's still really light out.
It seems early, but really BT at 6:30 is a 12hr day which is what I think you should aim for - 13hrs max, plus he might muck around a bit which would likely make BT closer to 7/7:30. Do you have any blackout blinds?
Lately he's been having a meltdown when it's time to get out of bath and get pjs on I can assume he's just ot by then.
I suspect you are right, I think starting the BT routine earlier like you suggested could help combat this.
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I don't think it's realistic to aim for a 12 hour day at this age with a 1/1.5 hour nap. I would be aiming for a 13 hour day for sure. Or you'll keep getting that wake up.
What is his Afternoon and evening like? Is he getting lots of physical play? At this age being physically and mentally tired is as important as A time to get good restful sleep. Both mine slept better that way. Still do now at 4 and 7.
Has he all his molars?
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He usually does more than 13 hours wake at 630 bed 730/815 and 1 hr 15 min nap. Yes he gets a ton of physical and mental stimulation and we gave blackouts which don't keep 100% out. He has the bottom two but not the tops. Should I tweak his scheduke? Today he was up 630 and his nap is in car so far 40 mins what time should I do bed? Figuring in it takes him 30 mins + to fall asleep.
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I would aim to get him into bed about 7.15/7.30. Did you do set naps and bedtime previously to this hiccup?
I would base suitable wake up on time he's asleep YK? So if he's asleep by 7.30, I'd expect him up at 6.30am so if you want a later wake up then you maybe need to set getting into bed at 7.30 and then push it toward 8 to hopefully get a 7am wake up. But did you mention not wanting a later bedtime?
The molars could be at play though so I'd only make small changes. I always found set times best at this age and only altered by 10/15 mins at most.
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It does take him 30 mins to fall asleep so getting him into bed at 730 meabs he's awake until 8 or later and I still get the 630 wake up it doesnt seem to make a difference. Yes we always did set nap at 1230 and bed 7/730 depending on length of nap. Some people say do 12 hours he can be ot and some say 13 and to put to bed later?! So I've tried both with no change.
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Today he was up at 630 napped in car for 45 mins 2-245 he went into crib at 710 and just fell asleep at 8!! This is crazy!
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Yeah I've read people saying about a 12 hour day and I just don't think it's feasible at this age with a nap. Not unless you have a very HSN little one.
I would stick to 7.30 set BT for a few days and keep your nap set. If wake up stays the same then he really is telling you he is needing some more A time which is not unusual for this age and at that stage then you can either move BT later or start thinking about capping your nap.
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The only reason why questioning it is because like yesterday he was up at 630 his nap was in the car for 45 mins as we weren't home and he had a big morning he was exhausted then into crib at 710 so that he would be asleep by 740 but he was still up until 805! And he's already stirring at 620 am! So that's what confuses me a 10 hr night with a 45 min nap is not very much sleep?
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I'm officially going to stop dwelling on los sleep routine! It's not helping just stressing me out. So I'm just going to go with the flow!
This morning be started stirring aroubd 620 but didn't sit up and start chatting until almost 645 which was good. By nap time he was exhausted falling asleep at lunch and he napped well from 1245-215 woke up hysterical though not sure why he does this. And bedtime was later tonight went into crib at 735 but was up until 815! Which is late and a long time ti fall asleep. Although he's not winding down well beforehand like he used to.
All I can keep reminding myself is that he is happy and fed and exercised (sounds like a puppy) so I'm just going to go with it and see what he does. Thanks everyone for your advice ;)
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Lol I like that....fed and exercised!
And honestly after a 1.30 nap and wake up at 2.30 I wouldn't have expected him to sleep until 8.30pm. I would maybe not put him to bed until he's had at least 5.5/5.45A time up and about. A time in the crib and up and out is very different YK?
But you are wise to try and go with the flow. He's sleeping well albeit that pre 7am wake up is not ideal but hopefully he'll stretch it a bit x
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That long nap is not the norm! I honestly think a 830 bedtime is too late for 22 mo?! It just seems odd that the later I put him to bed the longer it takes him to fall asleep. The A time was just short of 5.5 hours. He's up today at 630 so the later beftime is def not helping the ew!
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He resettled and slept past 7:15!!!! I can't believe it!
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Yay!
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Happy for you!
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I never really put much thought into it but tonight my husband suggested that we skip bath because he thinks it's been too stimulating for lo right before bed. So instead we went up later around 720 did teeth pjs books and into crib. Even though my lo was a bit confused as he always gets a bath he did go into his crib and didn't talk and chat away or even sit up. He just rolled around for a while getting comfy and was asleep by 805 which is only about 25 mins a lot shorter than last nights 50 mins! Being that he's such a creature of routine I was worried this would throw him off too much and he would be cranky but he wasn't. What do others do for bath if not right before bed? How would I fit it in after dinner but not right before bed?