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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Eva's Mummy on April 28, 2015, 08:35:37 am
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I really could just cry. It gets to BT and I'm dreading it. We started pushing her A time out 2 weeks ago as she was only on 2.5hrs so we really needed to move a bit. Now I am spending night after night early evening and early morning over her cot trying to get her to sleep just crying as I'm so tired. Sometimes the NW's are brief bust mostly the morning ones are between 1-3 hours sometimes she is chatty sometimes she is crying really hard. The only way I can get her to sleep is if I hold and rock her standing up but that will just give me another 30mins to a hour then she is up again. I've been getting help from Fleur but we are both a bit stumped as nothing seems to help the NW's. I don't even know now if she is OT or UT. Any help would be receive very gratefully from a very tired mummy.
Here is what our last few days have been like.
25.4.15
WU 8:03
A 3hrs 13mins
S 11:16 - 12:40 (1hr 24mins)
A 2hrs 50mins
S 15:30 - 16:11 (41mins)
A 2hrs 20mins
BT 18:31
NW 19:30, 21:00, 1:50,2:45
26.4.15
WU 6:44
A 3hrs
S 9:44 - 11:50 (2hr 6mins)
A 3hrs 2mins
S 14:52 - 15:22 (29mins)
A 2hrs 42mins
BT 18:10
NW 22:00, 3:50-5:30+
27.4.15
WU 7:33
A 2hrs 58mins
S 10:31 - 11:37 (1hr 6mins)
A 3hrs 20mins
S 14:57 - 15:36 (41mins)
A 2hrs 50mins
BT 18:26
NW 20:30, 21:30, 2:10, 3:10
28.4.15
WU 5:30
A 3hrs
S 8:30 -
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Hugs lovely, sleep deprivation sucks big time!
I would say she looks rather OT right now. Does she give good sleepy cues? She's HSN right? Can you shorten up her first A for a day or two, perhaps just put her down as soon as she looks like she might go? She probably does need the 3h+ A time but I wonder if maybe she just accumulated some OT in the push from 2.5h and needs to catch up a bit?
If she was any other LO I'd probably say push A times a bit more but knowing how much sleep she was getting previously I would rule out OT first.
Also, just a thought but how much intervening do you think you are doing vs how much you really need to do at night iykwim? I only ask because she's your second LO and I fell into a bit of AP with DS at NWs because I wanted my rest to cope with DD, and also because I didn't want DD woken. I wonder if she's only settling with rocking whether she may have slightly come to depend on that (our issue was habit feeding despite IS at bedtime) to resettle, even though she *can* do it herself? How would you feel about just leaving her be if she is not crying hard, and if she is maybe instead of trying to make her sleep, just being with her while she does it herself? I sat on the floor next to DSs crib in the end for an hour and a half while he cried and yelled and got cross trying to settle. But he did eventually do it and that really helped I think. At least I felt I knew then that any wakings were definitely routine related (unless they were teeth....and we have ten of those already.....) and it ruled out some sort of prop. I may be way off but it took me forever to realise we had a prop/dependence going on as he was IS at bedtime and nap and would at times self-settle NWs just fine.
Hugs Hun x
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Thank you so much honey.
Does she give good sleepy cues?
Not really, this morning she was rubbing her eyes at 2hrs which I expected after a 5:30 WU but I kept he up 3hrs and I woke her after 2hrs (not sure if I should have let her sleep).
She's HSN right?
I would say so she used to do 14.5hr nights and still 4.5hrs during the day sometimes more.
Also, just a thought but how much intervening do you think you are doing vs how much you really need to do at night iykwim?
I'm not sure, for naps I usually just put her in her sleeping bag in my room, give her a little cuddle, carry her into her room lie her down and leave. She will have a quiet moan and play with her blankie then fall asleep. She also has a dummy.
At BT as soon as I leave she starts crying, (occassionaly she does the same as naps but not so much recently). I try to lay a hand on her chest and rub her head which works at BT but not during the night, she wants picked up then. I guess I'm trying to get her to sleep before she gets really OT then it takes me ages to get her down. I'm always rushing to get her to sleep before DH brings DD1 home, when she is in she keeps running in and out of the room waking her up or screaming/crying for me at the stair gate.
How would you feel about just leaving her be if she is not crying hard, and if she is maybe instead of trying to make her sleep, just being with her while she does it herself? I sat on the floor next to DSs crib in the end for an hour and a half while he cried and yelled and got cross trying to settle.
How long would you leave it, I imagine she might have cried for the full 3hrs last week (but maybe not). You said he cried and yelled, how do you know when that escalates to hard crying. Do you mean like when she gets herself really upset and she start coughing and sobbing proper tears?
I guess I might manage that, it will be so hard leaving her though. I have never left either of then to cry. So would that just prove that she can go to sleep herself?
Can you shorten up her first A for a day or two, perhaps just put her down as soon as she looks like she might go?
This morning was:
WU 5:30
A 2hrs 56mins
S 8:26 - 10:26 (2hrs)
A 2hrs 53mins
S 13:19 - 14:46 (1hr 27mins)
**What would you do about the times of CN / BT, I'm guessing I will need a CN to try to get a later WU tomorrow then start from there?**
So if I pull back the first A to say 2hrs 45min again, what would you do for the next 1? I feel scared puling back but I guess I'm having horrible nights as it is, so what's the difference!
I was always under the impression that long NW were UT and ENW were OT so I couldn't decide what to do?
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What a disaster, I feel depressed already as I know what the night will hold for me.
Last A before bed was 3hrs 26mins!!!
I was aiming for 2hrs 45min (maybe that's too much) as soon as I put her in her sleeping bag the tears started. When I walked into her room (dark with white noise) she just got uncontrollable with full blown sobbing, arching her back, trying to sit up wouldn't lie back in my arms. When I lay her down she just moved it up a notch.
So I took her out to calm her down and tried again once she stopped crying. Thankfully DH just got home form work and took DD1 out as she just makes it worse. I ended up holding her and rocking her to sleep, when I lie her down she woke up but she was sleepy enough to let me rub her head and lay a hand on her then she went to sleep in a couple of mins.
I don't know how i'm going to manage tomorrow as DH is working until 8pm, I cant even fathom how i'll get her to sleep with DD1 around, she just runs in and out (even with I leave her fun things to do) she is ok for a little while but when I take too long she's had enough of waiting. She sits on the rocking chair and thinks she is being helpful by singing twinkle twinkle little star (louder, then louder, then louder) but as soon as DD2 hear her she is looking for her.
Anyway sorry 6 million question in my last post never mind this one, sorry. Just feel like my head is going to explode :'(
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Hi hun, just some coping suggestions for tomorrow - if you have a sling, can you put DD2 in there for that last part of the evening? I'm thinking she might chill out/drop off and save you some hassle. Does she have a lovey?
For DD1, do you have headphones? Would she listen to a story or some music on there? Would that keep her quiet for you for a bit? Suggesting that LO2 is about the same age and was transfixed today by headphones with Peter and the Wolf.
In the end it might be easiest to manipulate things (if you can) so that DD1 goes down first. That worked here for a good while!
BT can be an utter nightmare! Hugs! You'll get it sorted.
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Not sure if im doing the wrong thing. But last night went like this
BT 6:12
NW 20:15
NW 22:00
NW 00:05 then every 30mins
so at 2:50 I took her into the spare room as so as I lay her down and I lay down she was out for the count. She cried a little bit now and again but went back to sleep without me saying anything or touching her.
I transferred her back to her cot at 4:30,then I heard her again at 5:40but she put herself back to sleep and she is still sleeping now. I would usually wake her at 7:30 but I thought maybe this will help her catch up if she is really OT.
But now I'm not sure what to do with the day. Do I push the 1st A time to 3hrs 15?
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Thanks Weaver they are really good ideas. I do have an ergo baby carrier but I have never used it, I will practise with it today. I like the headphones idea, what do you play it through (your phone?)
I am kind of hoping I can get DD1 down first tonight, she is at the CM's today so sometimes she doesn't nap long there so i can get away with it.I put her down at 6 the other night and she woke at 5:40 ::)but at leat I got them to bed and the fact DD2 is still sleeping makes me hopeful. Unless of course all this sleep means I cant get he to nap today ::)
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I hope I didn't confuse with my suggestions above, I'm in no way suggesting any type of CIO/'leaving to cry' if LO genuinely needs you :-* and I would never tell you to go against your mummy instinct. But just that some LOs really can make a heck of a noise but not actually be full-on desperate for your help. If DS is struggling to settle he is very loud and will be tossing and turning, but my presence really doesn't help, if anything my going in tends to escalate things - though obviously I always go in if I hear things turn from 'I'm mad I'm not asleep' to 'I'm in pain' or 'I am really upset now'.
Do you think you tried to put her down too soon for bed? We get mad full-on screaming and resistance when UT.....she'd had two good naps, I'm wondering if she fought you hard because she actually wasn't ready to sleep? Then got herself OT in the process?
That said, that many NWs......discomfort? We don't get nights *that* bad just from OT.....
Can DD1 watch TV while you get DD2 down? iPad? Terrible mother I know ::) but this is what I do with DD if DS needs to go down first and DH isn't home. Otherwise if they are going down at same time it goes:
Brush DDs teeth and get her into bath
Brush DSs teeth
DS into bath with DD
One of them out (usually DD) - pyjamas on
Other one out - pyjamas on (I get DD to go choose her stories while I dress DS)
Into DDs room - sit on her bed reading stories while I feed DS
Take DD with me to put DS down - she has the 'special job' of switching his light off
Close DSs door, take DD to toilet
DD into bed
Or if I can, DS goes down later than DD and just potters around the floor while I do DDs routine.
Where do things go wrong in your routine? Can we help?
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Yes LO2 was listening on my phone. We downloaded some free music :)
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I know you would never suggest CIO Katherine, I have a feeling I might make things worse going in as she does get louder when she seems me. Maybe she is just loud, im so used to DD1 not making a peep or if she did it was just a quiet moan. DD2 never used to do this but maybe that's because I had her A times right that she didn't need to.
I also think I'm maybe trying to put her down too early as she does protest a heck of a lot.
Do you think it was ok to let her sleep that long today, I woke her at 9. Should I try push the first A today then assuming she`s caught up (I think).
I guess it could be discomfort we have 2 bottom teeth, 1 front top, 1 front eye tooth and the other eye tooth is just beginning to show. I am medicating calpol and ibrupen at times just to make sure and medication at some NW but it doesn't seem to help and her NW's have been like this for coming on 3 weeks now.
What kind of routine do you think we should be aiming for?
DD1 will watch TV for a little while but she is very spirited and wont sit still for more than a few mins. I have even stripped her popped her in the shower with a full bottle of shaving foam which she loved but she still came running in doors slamming, screaming for me to hurry up then singing at the top of her voice to "help get DD2 to sleep"
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Downloading some music just now. Where did you get your audio books from?
Well this girl is stumping me. After doing a long night, she was starting to get grouchy at 2.5hrs, by 2hrs 45min she was crying and rubbing her eyes so straight up the stairs and asleep at 2hrs 50mins??
I thought she would have been up longer, but then she still might short nap as it was a shorter A, or maybe i've just been keeping her up too long?
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It was an unsettled night though wasn't it? DS will happily go down after 3-3.5h at nearly 11 months after a bad night. Are you sure she isn't coming down with something?? Just thinking what happens here....
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Yeah but it wasn't as bad as usual since I brought her in with Mr. Would you always reduce first a after an unsettled night. I've not been so maybe that's been contributing to the OT.
It's always the second nap she moans a bit about then usually does a 40 min nap. Then BT is a big protest, cries as soon as the sleeping bag comes out.
She has a cough and a cold but she's had that for weeks and weeks now.
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If it was very unsettled yes I'd have to reduce A, probably following cues but getting close-ish to normal say within 15 mins.
Does she wake from second nap happy?
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She generally always wakes happy x
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2hr nap this morning so she must have needed it.
The 2nd A was 2hrs 52mins. She went down no problem but woke after 42mins :-\ so I guess I need to push that one out a bit.
This is where I get it wrong for BT I think. What A would you do to BT after that length of nap?
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Trying to remember but I think I'd have probably done around 2h15-30 for DD, but that was with longer A times earlier in the day (she was more towards the LSN side). If it was an UT nap she may handle almost a full A on that nap, so up to 3h potentially? I think it was around this age I started looking at total A for the day which helped me judge BT. So if I know for example she needed around 13.5-14h in 24, I aimed for a total A of 10-10.5h. I guess for you you'd aim lower so closer to 9-9.5h for a HSN baby?
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Ah ok, I was doing short nap so pull back the a time. That's probably why she would fight so much at bedtime.
Well dd1 is asleep. It really is so much easier if she goes down first. Dd1 really hasn't grasped the idea of being quiet. Got a new phone today though with a kids mode on it which she loves. So maybe I'll not let her play with it and save it for just these occasions.
I'll let you know how BT goes. Thanks Katherine x
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Hope you have a good night xx
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Oh Katherine I could kiss you :-*
It wasn't perfect but miles better.
BT 20:22 so A time of 3hrs 3mins ( I was aiming for 2hrs 50mins but that's how long as I had to settle he a bit)
Wasn't sure if she was that tired looking, she was a wee bit grumpy earlier then DH came home from work and she perked up so it was hard to tell.
NW 21:15 really loud wailing but I settled her in a couple of mins.
NW 22:22 A bit harder to settle, took about 15mins
NW 3:30 - 4:12 I fed her and she took a full bottle but then wouldn't settle, it took quite a but of sshh pat as son as I left the room she started crying again so I stayed with my hand in her tummy a while until she was asleep
Then that was her until the morning. I woke her at 8:30 I didn't want to wake her earlier as BT was late. So hopefully BT will get a bit earlier each day then i'll wake a bit earlier each day.
So what are your thoughts. A wee bit UT or still a wee bit OT. I don't want to start pushing A times if she's still a bit OT or do you think that's what I need to do now?
PS even with that NW that's the best sleep ive had in ages. I couldn't actually get back to sleep for ages listening out for her but I was still lying in bed with my eyes shut (Bliss) xxx
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So glad you got some rest :D I would stick where you are a couple more days, she may just need to work out a bit more accumulated OT and then if nights still ok push on a little more x
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Thanks honey. So she did a 2hr 10mins 1st nap (I woke her). Then a 35mins 2ns Nap, I assume this is UT as she is happy as larry now. So with all UT nap do I stick with as close to a full as a possible? If so BT will be around 20:10
Just wondering, if she goes to bed at 20:10 do you think I would be ok to wake her at 7:30 tomorrow morning or should I keep letting her sleep later to stop OT creeping in? I have had to wake her the last 2 days at 9 and 8:30.
Thanks in advance for your help again honey x
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What did you do? I would go for most of a full A if she was handling it well :). Great naps! We got 37 minute (very precise) UT naps all the time with DD. I think waking her for the day is totally fine provided she's had a good 11h sleep or more x
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She's just nodded off at 3hrs exactly. I had to rub her head a bit but I left the room while she was still twiddling her blankie so big improvement.
I rounded down, our naps are always 36mins on the dot ( strange isn't it).
So I'm guessing the aim is to push out the 2nd nap to get a longer one. Then just the usual full a to bed time?
I kept it undertired today so bedtime wasn't ridiculously late. But she did fight me a bit for it x
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Fingers crossed for tonight xx
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We are doing great 2 nights ago we had 2 ENW where she self settled then 1 NW at 3:00 which took 45mins to settle.
Yesterday she had a 2hr nap and a 1.5hr nap (I had to wake her from both). Then no ENW just 1 NW 3:30-4:00 so we are definitely getting better. Just need to get rid of the last 1, wasn't sure if not capping her nap would help but that would make for a really long day, or pushing the A 's out but I'm scared of OT since she is napping great on these times?
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I would just hang tight a few more days then if things seem to be going in the right direction xx
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Spoke to soon. Last night was an ENW at 21:00 took 15mins to settle then NW at 4:38 settled with a hand on her chest and managed to get out after 20mins but then 5 mins later she was awake again, this went on until 6:00 when she eventually went back to sleep. Unfortunately for me DD1 woke at 5:30 so no rest for me. Yesterday was:
WU 7:33 I woke
A 2hrs 58mins
S 10:31 - 12:32 (2hrs 1mins - I Woke)
A 3hrs 9mins - Took a while to settle
S 15:41 - 16:50 (1hr 9mins - I woke)
A 2hrs 53mins
BT 19:43 Out like a light
Do you think the longer middle A and me waking her from it might have cause this. I'm going to let her sleep to 8 this morning hopefully that will help. Just looking forward to getting a full nights sleep and an earlier BT back.
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I think if you want the earlier BT you may have to wake earlier in the morning ....I guess capping both naps (though 2h doesn't really 'count' as capping) could have caused a bit of OT, but I see why you'd do it to preserve a decent BT.
Do you think she may do better on two long (2h and 1.5/2h) naps with a longer day? Just throwing it out there as an idea x
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I'm not sure. Her first nap today was 36mins after a 2hr 58min a time
I'd rather not have a longer day but if it meant sleeping through the night I'd take it x
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2hr and 5 mind second nap then 3hrs 8 mind to BT. Had to get dd1 in bed so couldn't go any earlier. Hope she has a good night, I can't do a full day on a 4:40 wu. Dh has hurt his back so he is totally out of action to x
I'm still doing a df do you think I should stop in the hope she wakes earlier so is easier to settle?
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Well only 1 ENW where she self settled. Then I decide not to DF just to see what happened. Well she woke at 23:15 I fed her and it took 10mins to get her back down, then that was her. I had to wake her at 7:30 (yippee). Long may it last, if it does the its time to sort out DD1's 5:30 WU's (If its not 1 its another) x
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Ha yes don't I know it ::) :D. Glad you got a good night, hope it lasts xx
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Woohoo, 1 ENW at 8:30 a 30sec hand on chest to settle then that was her all night long until I woke her in the morning. I have even dropped the DF so tonight I am going to bed early ;D
It looks like she is regulating her day sleep to around 3 hours, we seem to get 1 long nap and 1 shorter 1. If she has a short am nap she will have a long pm or vice versa its not consistent.
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Sounds good! Great she is regulating and sleeping better overnight :D
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Think I just jinxed it. It took ages to get her to sleep so A time was about 3hrs 20 then we had a WU after 30mins more upset than usual. So we will see what the night brings.
I think maybe UT leading to OT as after her bottle she sat up and started clapping her hands ::)
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Sounds like it doesn't it? Oh well, today is a new day :)
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We have had 2 short naps today.
WU 7:39
A 3hrs 1min
S 10:40 - 11:18 (38 mins)
A 2hrs 59mins
S 14:17 - 15:06 (49 mins)
A 3hrs 18mins
BT 18:24
I lay her down at 3hrs 2mins, as soon as I left she was crying when I went back in and sat down she was chatting away so i'm guessing after these couple of full nights sleep and good naps she is ready for a push in A times again.
So what do you think, 3hrs 15mins or is that a bit much and would you push all 3 A times or just 1 at a time?
I could imagine if I push she will start napping longer again so it might look like this:
WU 7:30
A 3hrs 15
S 10:45 - 12:45
A 3hrs 15
S 16:00 - 17:30
A 3hrs 15
BT 20:45
However this looks late, what would you suggest to bring BT to around 19:45ish?
Oh and last night even after our ENW she had 1 NW at around 11ish took 30mins to settle then I heard her at 3ish, I got up made a bottle and by the time i got back she was asleep again.
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And we just had our first nw 30 mind in.
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Disaster of a day, we had a good night just 1 NW where I fed her and settled within 30mins.
WU 7:36
A 3hrs 13mins
S 10:49 - 11:58(1hr 9mins)
Then it all goes wrong, I was out getting my eyebrows tattooed on ;D and left DH instructions to have her sleeping for 15:05 well when I called him after my appointment he said she just cried and cried so he got her up so no nap. That drives me nuts, she was obviously just OT and needed help going to sleep.
It was 5 when I got home and DD1 hadn't napped at the CM's either so I got them bot sorted and DD2 was asleep for 18:06, that's 6hrs 8mins A time. I am not looking forward to tonight at all.
So assuming I have a horrific night, would you pull back tomorrows A times, let her lie in in the morning or just stick to the usual day?
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Oh yuck :( never mind,my here things happen. I would let her sleep in probably then do a normal A first thing, but be prepared for 10-15 mins early if she seems to be struggling. Hope the night isn't as bad as you fear xx
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So she was up from 3:30 - 5:37 then DD2 got up at 5:50 ::)
I let her sleep until 8:30 then nap was 11:30 - 13:40 (I woke her). So its going to be a late BT but I will wake her after 11hrs sleep to try to get things back to normal tomorrow. Assuming she takes her next nap and it was just a daddy thing yesterday.
I need my bed :'(
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I think we are in need of a push. Yesterday all her A times were 3 hours and we got a 1.5hr nap and a 36mins nap. BT was easy to get her down then she had a ENW after 1hr (settled easily). Then another at 3:35 took 20mins to settle the up again at 4:30-5:30 and she was wide awake try to play with my hands and hair, chatting away grabbing the bars in the cot so I assume UT.
The question is would you increase all A times, even though we getting a good am nap, or just the second A time and the one before BT, also would you go for 15mins?
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I think if first nap ok then stick with that A time and increase the second one 10-15 mins, and the one to bed too provided second nap is good x
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Hmm I'm wondering what is going on, we are still having 1 NW but it can be anytime 23:00, 00:30, 2:00, 3:15, 4:30. I have been feeding her on he NW sometimes she will drain the bottle others only 1-2oz.
Last night she woke at 23:00 took 2 oz then settled but woke 1hr later, I gave meds in case it's was teeth and she went back to sleep until the morning so possibly its that. There has been a tiny tiny dot of a tooth showing for weeks now and not getting any bigger at all :o
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Ugh teeth are so annoying! If you can't see any pattern to it and it doesn't appear to be hunger then I guess try meds for a few days and see if it helps x
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Oh help. She woke up coughing after 22 mins (10:30) and I can't get her back to sleep. When would you do 2nd nap and would you do ebt x
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I'd go for maybe 12/12.30ish? It's a guess though... :-\ BT depending on 2nd nap I guess....but probably on early side x
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I've had enough, I would never have thought at almost 9 months old we are still not STTN. Last night she woke at 22:30 (I fed 4.5oz), then 2:15 (I fed 3.5oz), was just in a tired daze by then, then 5:30 (I settled) then up for the day at 6:07 so a 11hr 7mins night.
Do you think I just need to bite the bullet and push her A times, even if its 5mins every 3 days or so? We are between 3hrs and 3hrs 10mins and getting good naps but I would rather have a full nights sleep.
Also what length of day do I not want to go over when I push the A time out (if that's what you think I should do). If we get to 3.5hrs and 2 x 1.5hr naps that's 13.5hrs. Would you always cap 1 nap to shorten the day, or is the last A sometimes shorter?
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I think yes push A times but also give some thought to how you respond to NWs. She probably doesn't need all those feeds.....may be worth a few days pain resettling to rule out habit wakings for food. Pushing A times may well help too as she will be more tired and more inclined to resettle.
Personally I'd keep the day to 12.5-13h max so yes cap one nap if needed, less than 11h night sleep mine both seemed OT xx
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Thanks honey. I know I shouldn't feed at NW's I usually feed at 1 but I was so tired the other night it was just wishful thinking. We did 3 x 3hrs 10mins A times yesterday and she had 3 NW's between 6:40 & 9:30 then slept until 1:00 - 1:30 then up at 6:30
I am going to stick to 3hrs 10 for another couple of days then push another 10mins.
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That was the worst night we have ever had. I was in 9 times before 11pm then pretty much all night until 3:40 she was so upset, her wee throat was all hoarse from the crying by 3 and she was gasping for breath during it cos she was upset. I was standing crying desperate for her to sleep. I don't know what is going on.
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Sounds like more than routine to me :(. That many night wakings have generally happened here when ill or in pain. Shouldn't be OT on her short A times and doesn't sounds like UT. So sorry Gail, you must be shattered - ((hugs)) xx
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I am. I feel like I could burst into tears right now. You get through the day knowing your going to get a rest at night but I don't even get that. I don't remember the last time I even got to eat dinner without having to put it down to go settle her. Then up through the night as well. Iove her so much but last night I just wanted to shout at her to go to sleep. I'm a mess, don't think I've slept through the night in over 3 months now. She's brilliant during the day and naps great but as soon as BT comes around its a different game x
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Is she waking upset every time?
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Last night yes, she was just distraught :'(
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If she napped well there has to be something else going on - teeth? Ears? Tummy? Did you try pain meds?
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Yep I gave her calpol and then ibrufen later on. I just don't know what it is x
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:( how is she in the day? Happy enough? No cold/cough?
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She's always happy. Does have a runny nose today though, no cough or temperature. Maybe because she has a dummy, possibly she's looking for it to settle but can't breath properly if she has gotten a cold
Do you think even with a cold I should keep pushing her a time. If so tomorrow would be another 10 mins so up to 3hrs 20. Do you also think I should keep the last a to 3hrs 5 as when all 3 were 3hrs 10 we are getting ENW's
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Argh 2nd nap was 30 mins after a 3hr 10 mins a time. How long would you do to BT x
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Hun can you post your whole EASy for the last 2-3 days? What time is 'usual' bedtime? I would do an EBT but somewhere in the range of her usual time.
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WU 7:10
A 2hrs 58mins
S 10:08 - 11:45
A 3hrs 6mins
S 14:51 - 16:03
A 3hrs 2mins
BT 19:05
NW 22:30
NW 2:15
NW 5:30
WU 6:07
A 3hrs 7mins
S 9:14 - 10:49
A 3hrs 9mins
S 13:58 - 15:32
A 3hrs 5mins
BT 18:37
NW 3 X ENW before 10pm
NW 1:00
WU 6:48
A 3hrs 11mins
S 9:59 - 11:25
A 3hrs 10mins
S 14:35 - 15:53
A 3hrs 10mins
BT 19:03
NW 10 x before 11pm then pretty much up and down all night until 3:40
WU 7:43
A 3hrs 12mins
S 10:55 - 12:40
A 3hrs 10mins
S 15:50 - 16:20
BT ????
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What did you decide? I guess I'd have gone around 7pm ish, but it's only a guess, I can't see how she's coping. I'm wondering just looking at those three days you posted whether it may be worth sticking where you are with your first A, lengthening the second given you are getting a shorter second nap most days, with the aim of a shorter A before bed? How was she on waking from her 30 min nap this afternoon?
Have you tried any days recently where you have ignored the clock and just gone on cues to see what happens?
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Went for 7 and she's out like a light. She's been grumpy since she woke at 30 mins I've pretty much had to carry her around. She was really grumpy before BT.
I've never really gone with her cues recently as she acts tired early but maybe I just ignores that and wait to see if she does it again later?
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So far enw 7:30, 7:45, 8:20 :'(
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(((Hugs)))
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Lots better than the other night.
BT 7
NW 19:30
NW 19:46
NW 20:19
NW 22:20 (fed 5oz,then re-settled without dummy)
NW 1:30 (fed 5oz, then re-settled without dummy)
NW 4:45
NW 5:20
NW 5:45
WU 7:30 (I woke her)
It looks like a lot but none lasted very long, both feeds I lay her back down awake and left and she settled herself. I wasn't going to feed at both but her wee cry sounded very hoarse so I thought a wee drink might help. I could have given water but I didn't want to upset her if she's not feeling well after the horrendous previous night.
So do you think I should try 3hrs 20 for the second A then how long would you do to BT?
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How's your day been today? Honestly I can't really speculate on how long of an A she might need :-\ :-* I'm not there seeing how she is doing, and it will depend on lots of factors including length of naps, EWs, NWs etc etc. I wouldn't be too shy of pushing her a bit, I know she's been HSN but she's nearly 9 months and still doing A times many 6-7 month old handle like a breeze ;) if UT is contributing to rough nights then it becomes a vicious cycle as she will be more tired in the day from broken nights and continue to nap well on short A times.
Did you have to go to her for every single waking? I wonder if perhaps you could be rushing in a bit fast??
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HI sweetie, Today we had a 1hr 6min nap and a 39min nap so I put her to bed after a 3hr A time.
Ok so I need to be brave and bite the bullet. Would you wait until she is better or just go for it? Also would you still go 10mins every 3 days?
I leave her for a little while if she self settles she generally has 1 loud outburst then a quiet moan and back to sleep, if not she just gets louder and louder. I don't think the dummy is helping so I might use her having the cold to try to get rid of it (maybe).
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Sorry to butt in but my DD is 9 months next week and we just had a HUGE leap in A times. She went from 3 hours to 4.5 hours within a month as i had soooo many NWs, literally she was up every hour from 1am-7am. And her naps were 1hr 15mins! I was like you scared to bite the bullet and jump her A time but it was the best thing i did.
Hope u get sorted soon! X
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Hi sweetheart, you butt away ;D. That is a huge leap in a month but I guess you are both right. Its the fear of getting OT that keeps me holding back but I'm getting NW's anyway so really what difference would it make. Thanks for coming on honey, its always nice to hear your not alone in these things.
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I no, its such a huge leap and im pretty sure shes LSN but past 3 nights we have had 12hour nights in a row for the first time EVER. Im not saying you need that huge leap but from my personal experience bumping the A times when nothing is working definetly helps- i would rather deal with OT than UT. You definetly aren't alone and i know its so hard but everything has to get better at some point so im hoping thats soon for you! X
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OMG
Yesterday was:
WU 7:30
A 3hrs 6mins
S 10:36 - 11:42 (1hr 6mins)
A 3hrs 13mins
S 14:55 - 15:34 (39mins)
A 3hrs
BT 18:34
NW 19:10
NW 20:08
NW 21:06 - Didn't go in self settled
NW 22:30 (fed 5oz)
Then she slept until 7:20 ;D
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Woohoo for a better night!
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WU was 7:20 First a 3hrs 20 mins and she slept for exactly 2hrs. Going to do the same for 2nd A so that makes the nap 4pm. Would you cap at 1hr (if she sleeps that long) and do 8pm BT?
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Is 8 her usual BT? I would generally cap to whatever length you feel needed to keep to a normal BT, I find pushing BT later tends to backfire....
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BT is normally 7:30 - 7:45 so 45 min nap then 3hrs to BT? X
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Well another couple of enw then she slept through from 9:35 until I woke her at 7:30. Are ENW's always caused by ot, do you think slightly less than 3hrs to bed would fix that x
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I think OT is the most common cause, though we seem to get more when teething - whether that's due to discomfort or disturbed sleep I'm not sure though. Possibly overstimulation could be part of it too. You could try shorter last A by 15 mins and see what happens x
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Well she still does have the cold so maybe that's just disturbing her until she's in a deep
Sleep. I'll try reducing a bit tonight and see how it goes x
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Hope you had a good night?
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Well we had no enw and 2 nw. So today 2nd a was 3hrs 30 mins so I'll try 2hrs 45 to BT again and see how that goes x
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Good luck xx
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She's not happy tonight.
Second a 3hrs 30 mins
Nap 40 mins I woke to keep BT
BT 2hrs 40 mins a
She's Def ot so she didn't like some part of that x
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The last few days have been a bit hit and miss, what do you think please?
WU 7:20
A 3hrs 20mins
S 10:40 - 12:40 (2hrs)
A 3hrs 17mins
S 15:57 - 16:46 (49mins)
A 2hrs 56mins
BT 19:42
NW 20:36
NW 21:35 (fed)
WU 7:34
A 3hrs 19mins
S 10:53 - 12:50 (1hr 57mins)
A 3hrs 13mins
S 16:03 - 16:37 (34 mins)
A 2hrs 45mins
BT 19:22
NW 21:55
NW 1:05
WU 7:32
A 3hrs 18mins
S 10:50 - 12:50 (2hrs)
A3hrs 30mins
S 16:20 - 17:05 (45mins)
A 2hrs 40mins
BT 19:44
NW 20:43
NW 21:45
NW 22:49 (fed)
NW 23:50
NW 3:10
NW 3:45
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So I picked the 1 that worked best and tried it again yesterday. So:-
WU
1st A 3hrs 20 mins
Nap 2hrs I woke
2nd A 3hrs 17mins
Nap 2 50 mins I woke
3rd A 2hrs 40 mins
BT
We had 1 enw for her dummy then a couple more call outs but she self settled. Then nw at 23:20 where I fed her and that was her until she woke at 7:205
She also woke this morning with 4 new teeth popping through.
Not sure wither she might prefer 2 x 1.5hr naps instead. She certainly needs at least 45mins pm anyway.
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If she's got four teeth popping through that could well explain the frequent disturbances. Your day looks pretty good, I'd try to stick with something similar, maybe even allow an hour second nap and similar last A x
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She drives me nuts. She's so touchy with it today the 2nd a was 3hrs 30 ad we were out and of course it took ages to get her to bed tonight and already had ENW's. I feel trapped in the house if we do go out j know my nights will be a mess x
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usually I wake her from her 2nd nap after 50 mins and do 2hrs 40/ 45 to BT. Tonight however she woke herself after 39 mins (2nd a was 5 mins longer than usual ). So do I keep the same a to BT or because she woke herself does that mean it was it and she will need longer to BT?
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Sorry I missed this, what did you do and how did it go?
I know it's hard when she's so touchy :(. But you can't stay in all the time, especially not with another LO :-* Keep hanging in there, this does get easier. If it helps when B's nights were dreadful sometimes I just decided we'd go out and have a nice day, if he was going to be up anyway I might as well enjoy the daytime instead of being miserable day and night yk?
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I went for 2hrs and 40 mins. We had a nw 50 mins later, then another one 50 mins after that. Then an hour after that at 22:25 then a nw at 4:05 - 4:40 this one she was trying hard to get to sleep but just couldn't manage it. Until I stroked her head ( I gave meds here).
I just can't get my head round I'd she needs a bit more a time but maybe shorter to bed. Or if it's totally it or ot. What do you think?
I have a feeling she's going to be one that won't settle properly until solidly on 1 nap x
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She shouldn't be OT on her A times really, which makes me think there's more to it. I think you may be right about not settling until on one nap, neither of mine have ever had a consistent predictable routine until hitting the one nap stage (and even then nap was never the same length due to nursery ::) ). I suggested elsewhere to try a capped first nap to try to at least coordinate with DD1s nap but not sure how you'd feel about that given her first nap tends to be a good one?
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Well her 1st nap was 1hr 25 this morning. Usually I need to wake her after 2 hours and she woke herself yesterday pm nap after 39 mins. So maybe she is due another push now those 4 teeth have cut, they are not all the way through but all the teeth are cut if you know what I mean. I think I would be willing to give it a go bit it does scare me a bit. Maybe I will try pushing her first 2 A times out and shortening A to BT then if no improvement I will start the capped AM nap on Monday. I have to admit, a bit of quiet time for me sounds lovely though ;D
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It doesn't work for everyone, it is scary I agree, but you can always go back to just letting her sleep :). Just thinking some down time for you might be good with them both asleep xx
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I think I will try pushing her first 2 A times and shortening her BT A and if there is no improvement I will try the capped am nap. I like the idea of them both sleeping at the same time, it has worked by accident a couple of time so its worth a go.
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So 1 last ditch attempt before I switch to short am / long pm nap. Is there anything you can see that I cant? maybe longer to bt?
WU 7:30
A 3hrs 6mins
S 1hr 6mins
A 3hrs 13mins
S 39mins
A 3hrs
BT 18:34
NW 19:10 / 20:08 / 21:06 (self settled) /22:18 (fed)
WU 7:20
A 3hrs 20mins
S 2hrs mins
A 3hrs 17mins
S 49mins
A 2hrs 56mins
BT 19:42
NW 20:36 / 21:35 (fed)
WU 7:34
A 3hrs 19mins
S 1hr 57mins
A 3hrs 13mins
S 34mins
A 2hrs 45mins
BT 19:22
NW 21:55 / 1:05
WU 7:32
A 3hrs 18mins
S 2hrs
A 3hrs 30mins
S 45mins
A 2hrs 40mins
BT 19:44
NW 20:43 / 21:45 / 22:49 (fed) / 23:50 / 3:10 / 3:45
WU 7:42
A 3hrs 19mins
S 2hrs 4mins
A 3hrs 18mins
S 48mins
A 2hrs 46mins
BT 19:57
NW 20:46 / 23:18
WU 7:24
A 3hrs 19mins
S 1hr 58mins
A 3hrs 33min
S 51min
A 2hrs 45min
BT 19:50
NW 20:13 / 21:40 (fed) / 1:49 (fed) / 2:21
WU 7:31
A 3hrs 21min
S 2hrs
A 3hrs 24mins
S 39mins
A 2hrs 41mins
BT 19:36
NW 20:26 / 21:15 / 22:25 (fed) / 4:05 (fed)
WU 7:30
A 3hrs 19mins
S 1hr 24mins
A 3hrs 22mins
S 1hr
A 2hrs 48mins
BT 19:23
NW 20:15 / 21:15 / 1:46 (fed) / 4:05 (fed)
WU 7:31
A 3hrs 28mins
S 2hrs
A 3hrs 23mins
S 49mins
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I really don't think I can suggest much else, our days were very similar at that age with a longer morning sleep and short afternoon, albeit a long nap for us was 1h30 and As were longer. I wouldn't think major OT looking on paper. But the NW pattern suggests OT somewhere.....
Have you tried a day of ignoring the clock and just putting down on cue? I notice you are quite precise about timings (I get it :-* most of us are a little obsessive ;) ) but I wonder if perhaps stepping back a little to watch DD2 a bit more and the clock/A times a bit less may just help reset you both??
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Would you believe not a peep all night then woke at 5:30 I fed then back to sleep until I woke at 7:30.
She's a funny wee thing, nothing different at all. I'll just keep plodding along. I do think its those ENW's that have been throwing me thinking OT but possibly they are not. I'll hide the clock and see what happens.
I'll let you get on I know you have lots of posts and i'll pop on with a wee update if we have a big improvement. Thanks again for all your help and support Katherine its really appreciated x
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:-* no problem, good luck x
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Thanks honey.
Can I ask a quick question for today we were out and she didn't fall asleep in the car like I thought so she ended up having a 4hrs 35mins 1st A time then a 30mins nap.
WU 7:30
A 4hrs 35
S 12:05 - 12:35
What would you do with the rest of the day?
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Sorry I missed this Hun, how did it go?