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SLEEP => Naps => Topic started by: LittleSplasherMum on June 24, 2015, 06:45:00 am
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Hi all, we are trying to cut the third nap but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing ???
Ds will be 9 months in a couple of days, he started fighting the third nap between 6 and 7 months and it was getting later and later and we were having EWs. One day he didn't go down at all for it, so we put him down for the night at 6.30 and he slept till 6! we were pretty amazed so thought that was the solution. Then we went on holiday for two weeks (he was 8 months) and he could not stay up for more than 2.30 hours, so back to three naps, but it was ok, he slept till 6 most days.
Now we have been back for about two weeks and started increasing his awake time again. Some days we have only two naps and he goes to sleep early, other days we have to have another nap. The problem now is that he's starting waking at 5am again! I have read lots of posts in here and it seems that it's quite normal to have EWs during this transition.
Now my question is: do I keep giving him the nap if his second nap ends too early or do I try to cut the nap completely and try to stretch the awake time until we can get back to a proper BT (7-7.30)? As of yesterday we are on 2.55 awake time.
At the moment his routine is pretty much like this:
if he wakes at 6:
6.30 eat, then breakfast about an hour later
8.55 nap, usually about an hour
10 wake, 10.30 lunch
13ish nap, another hour or a bit more (we don't tend to get more than 1h20 apart from rare occasions when he sleeps for 2h, but could be also 30 mins here)
so now, if he sleeps till 2 or later I usually don't give him another nap and put him down by 6/6.15
Yesterday he woke at 5.15, kept him up till 8.10, slept two hours, but then he went down for his second nap at 13.05 and only slept 30 min ( I was expecting this because of his long morning nap), so managed to get another 25 min nap between 16.30 and 17 bed at 18.25
Also, what is the latest he should have the third nap, I'm thinking 4/4.30? and if he sleeps again a lot in the morning, do I wake him? If so, after how long? an hour or an hour and a half?
Thank you very much in advance!
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I'd cut that last nap CT hun, at 9mo many have dropped the 3rd nap a few months ago. Even if he's high sleep needs (HSN), I would've expected it to have been dropped by now and it's definitely reinforcing the EW. My DD was going through the 2-1 at this age!
I think you've been doing brilliantly, you've done an EBT which many wouldn't have without a lot of persuasion from others on here, me included ;)
I would keep the 3hrs 5mins first A for a few days and see if that settles into a nice predictable long nap. We may have to look at capping that to 1.5 hrs to make sure we get a decent nap in the pm too, but we'll just play it by ear.
For some, 30mins nap can signal OT, but I'm doubting that considering the nice long nap you had in the morning and the fact his sleep cycle seems to be around 35-40mins given the 1hr 20 naps you get. And also the fact he can do 3hrs A after a 1hr nap rather than 2hrs as per your routine posted.
So how about pushing that second A too? Maybe just 15mins to see what happens? Hopefully with a longer nap in there you can get to a reasonable BT of 6.30pm which will be around a 12.5hr day. This will need some tweaking hun as 9mo is a prime time for them to switch things up as they prepare going to one nap in the next few months. A times increase dramatically and you start to run out of hours int he day! Wdyt? Xx
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Thank you very much for your quick reply! I think you're right the third nap needs to go. Yesterday I woke him from his morning nap after 1.5h, but he still only slept 30 mins for his pm nap >:( So he had a 15/20 min cat nap in the stroller at around 5, which is the latest in a while. Went down easily at 6.40, woke at 5.30.
So now he went down at 8.30, which is great, at least he was up for 3 hours, and I'll wake him at 10 if still asleep. Then when do you think I should try to put him down for the pm?
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Ok, so he woke from his morning nap after 1.10h (9.40), will try to stretch as close as possible to 1pm and see what happens...
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He slept from 12.55 to 14.05, gonna risk a 6pm bt :-\
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How it it go hun? Will be very interested to see what tonight brings too. Good luck! X
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So after a 1.10h nap in the morning he managed to stay up 3.15h, went down very well and slept again 1.10h. I think I woke him up doing the washing up, possibly... I didn't have the heart to keep him up till 6.30, so he went at 5.55 (he woke at 2.05pm from his pm nap), no cry, fell asleep quickly, so fingers crossed he sleeps well, but could be up at 5... At least it showed that he can stay up more than 3 hours. Do you think his pm nap will get longer?
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I think both will get a little longer hun, we just need to find the right A time for him.
I'd keep that A time for another day and we'll reassess after that x
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This morning he woke at 5.25, not great but a good 11.5h sleep, only a little bit of stirring between 9 and 10, but that often happens. Now went down quickly at 8.25, hoping he sleeps a bit longer today so we can shift the bt a little. He did well considering he was up for nearly 4 hours before bed yesterday, not sure if I should always keep him up that long though...
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He's been sleeping for 1.5h, yay! what do I do? do I wake him? ???
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Sorry hun, might be a little late to.advise now, what did you do in the end?
You may find we'll have to push that second A a little longer too after such a good nap. Woo hoo though, great first nap!! Xx
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No problem! I did wake him at 1.35h, now went down after 3.15h, hope he sleeps for at least an hour...
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Unfortunately the pm nap was 45/50 mins, so as you said he could probably handled more awake time.
If you read before tomorrow, should I wake him again from his am nap if it's longer than 1.30h? And how long do you think I should keep him up after that? maybe 3.20h or more? thanks!
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You know what? I'd be tempted to try and shift the day a little, wdyt?
So if he does nap 2hrs (I would cap it at this though), do the longer A time for second A (as long as you think he can handle given the recent logs, I'm thinking 3.5hrs?) and then hopefully with a longer second nap, BT will naturally be later and make the day a little longer, but with more DT sleep for the day, which will probably mean a shorter night ish in terms of ONS, but hopefully it should push the wu later? Wdyt, worth a go? I wouldn't do it long term however as you'll find he'll start shorter img his nights more and more expecting for DT sleep, but it can hurt to try eh? Then hopefully you can start afresh the next day.
Oops, just realised how long that sentence is there :-[ x
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Sounds like a plan ;D fingers crossed! Thank you! xx
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Gotta love a plan, got everything crossed for you here x
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I think we need a plan B :( He woke at 5 this morning, so I think 4 hours before bt was too much after a less than an hour nap.
Morning nap at 8.10, let him sleep, he woke at 10. Afternoon nap at 1.30, woke at 30 mins crying, so clearly still tired. Maybe 3.5h is too much AT? Now we're back to square one as I'm gonna have to put him down before 6 tonight :-[
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well in the end he had a mini catnap in the pushchair this afternoon at 5 (15 mins), so we managed to get him down for 6.45, quite a long day considering he woke at 5, but we'll see what happens...
Do you think I should keep the same AT tomorrow? I think I'm gonna wake him from his first nap if he sleeps more than 1.5hrs though, wdyt?
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Can only try hun. Sometimes it's a good idea to do a one-off CN to try and get them to a reasonable BT. Especially as you don't want that long A to BT again.
How's the wu this morning? X
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Well he woke at 5.10, played and talked till 5.45 then he was asleep again at around 5.55 till 6.35 ;D so I'm not sure how long I should keep him up now before his first nap, will see how he is at 9, wdyt?
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Went down at 9.25 in the end, a little bit of crying, but still sleeping now after an hour phew...
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Sorry for the late reply hun, my ipad has been playing up ::)
How did the nap go? Excellent news about the morning wu!! Xx
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Hi, no worries!
Yesterday's naps:
AT: 2.50h S:9.25- 10.35
AT: 3.20h S: 1.55-2.25 :(
Today so far:
WU- 5.10, then back to sleep (on his own) 5.30-6.15ish
AT: 3h S: 9.10-10.30
AT: 3.30h S: 2-? (not awake yet)
A bit worried about his pm nap, as it's been 30 mins most of the week. Maybe he hasn't adjusted to the AT yet?
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Afternoon nap went better, 1h, not great but better than 30 mins! BT 6.35, fell asleep at 6.45, finger crossed for the morning!
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This is looking good hun, so much better than when we started eh?! ;D
So,I'm definitely thinking the slightly longer A time of 3.5hrs for the afternoon is working a bit better than the slightly shorter time isn't it? It may be those afternoon naps were UT too. 3hrs first thing also yielded a good nap too :)
Hmm, let's hold these A times for a couple of days and see what happens. I do think we'll need to increase ever so slightly again soon as ideally those naps could be a little longer and we've got room in your day to stretch it a little (going by an ideal wu time not his EW obviously ;)) x
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Agreed! Yesterday I was really disheartened but today I feel like we've finally moved forward a bit! fingers crossed for a decent WU tomorrow! thanks! x
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Got everything crossed for you here hun :-*
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So today pretty much like yesterday, will give it another day and see... I think he could be teething and today it was hard enough to keep him up for 3.5hrs, don't think he could have managed more. At least he's going back to sleep in the morning after he wakes at 5.10, I only wish I was too >:(
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I have that too hun, annoying isn't it? I really struggle to get back to sleep. Good luck for today x
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Not a great start, first nap 35mins! >:(
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So after his am nap being only 35 mins, I still kept him up 3.5hrs, seemed pretty tired, but he only still slept 1 hour! Do you think I should increase his A time tomorrow?
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Hmm,we've increased quite a lot haven't we? Remind me what A we started at?
How's his mood when he's waking after the short nap? I'm presuming he's getting pretty grumpy by the end of the day? Did you do EBT? If so, how did it go? X
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we've started at 3hrs, now doing 3 for the first nap and 3.5 for second one. When he woke today from both naps he was fine, playing in the cot, not crying. We went out and he fell asleep, so I let him for about 15/20 mins 5.10/5.25ish. Put him down at 6.30 as he was acting tired, didn't go to sleep till 7, after a little crying in the end, could be hot though...
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It is boiling today isn't it?!
Ok, let's increase again slightly. I'd add 15mims onto the first one and perhaps 15mins onto the second. We know he's capable of doing longer naps. I would also medicate with ibuprofen 20mins before the nap to rule out teething is waking him up during the transition to the next sleep cycle.
The reason I'm thinking an increase is that it's quite a long A after a short nap to then still only do an hour nap. Little monkey, thinking he might be like mine in that he can do a full A time after a short nap ;) ::) x
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I know, I was really surprised that he could stay up so long, I really thought he would be dead tired :o
I think I'll try 10 mins increase and see how he sleeps in the morning; what is the average A time for 9 months? 3.5-4hrs?
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Really ranges from now hun, can be anything from 3-4hrs.
Mine was doing 4hrs 15mins first A at 8.5mo! Xx
Eta .. If he starts hitting 4hrs ish, we're in 2-1 territory :o. Funny considering the title of this thread ;D x
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Oh no, I'm not ready for 2-1 :o
Yesterday bt was 7ish, stirred from 4.30am for a bit, then awake at 5.45 (could be worse). Then it's been like this:
A time 3h10
S 8.55- 10.10
A time 3h35
S 1.45-2.20 >:(
I couldn't keep him up any longer before his second nap, was rubbing his eyes a lot and starting to cry. Now it's too hot, there's no way I'm going out to give him another quick nap in the stroller! Will keep him up till 6 and see.
I'm getting a bit frustrated again, but I guess I need to give it another two days to see if he adjusts to the A time
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Keep with it hun, we'll get there. Don't be too frustrated, he's getting a decent amount of sleep in 24hrs and you're doing everything you can. How's it been today? X
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Thanks Kellyjs, you're right, nothing else I can do!
Yesterday in the end bt was 6.10, slept till 5.50ish, so not bad, although he did wake around 3am for a bit and back to sleep by himself.
So this morning nap 9-10.10.
ETA:
update: afternoon A time 3.45h, nap 45 mins ???
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Might be time to push that second A to 4hrs hun wdyt? I probably won't be around tomorrow as it's DD's bday, I'll check in Sunday though ok? X
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Today was better, morning nap 1.35 (A time 3.15) and I had to wake him! PM nap 1.10 after A time of 3.40is. He didn't go down at bt though, not sure if he was OT or he's teething (he did wake during the night the last two nights, no crying but was awake for quite a while), so we gave Calpol!
I'll keep the same A times tomorrow or slightly longer I think and see what happens.
Thanks again and have a great day tomorrow! xx
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Good luck hun, and thanks! X
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Had another quite good day yesterday, A time 3.15, nap 1.15, A time 3.35, nap 1.20. Today A time 3.15 (I was going to do 3.20, but DH put him down earlier!), nap 1.15, then A time 3.40, nap 30 min >:(
It's been four days in a row now with no catnap and I'm not going back, I don't know if it's making any difference ???
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I think it's looking good hun, so much better than where we started. The day is spaced so much nicer. How's the ONS and wu in the morning? X
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not sure what ONS is ??? overall night sleep?
WU not great but a bit better, no earlier than 5.25, this morning 5.45.
Last night was the best night, no waking, only stirring at 4.30 and 5.10.
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Yep, got it in one..over night sleep.
How about pushing that first nap by another 10mins, so 3.5hrs now? X
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Ok, will try, although I think he's got a cold now :( we had a rough evening yesterday, he woke three times screaming, the third time we could not resettle him, so use the nasal spray to clear his nose and gave him Calpol again and he slept better. I had to go in at 5.15 for a bit, then he slept till 6. Will see how he is at 9.
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Right, this morning I managed an A time of 3.23 and got a nap of 1.25h, so much better! In the afternoon I didn't push him too much because of his cold, A time 3.35ish, nap 1h. At least he slept till 3.25pm, so can try a later bedtime! fingers crossed
I don't think he'll ever do 1.5 for both naps, do you? seems to me that 2.5hrs sleep is enough for him, but with a longer A time we're doing better. Wdyt?
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Yay! Although, yep a cold might affect things. It definitely does seem much, much better!
We never had 2x 1.5hr naps either hun. It's a case of reading them and making sure you offer the sleep, it's up to them to take it! You're doing everything right.
Oh and try a vaporub on the soles of his feet (some people put socks on but we use a sleeping bag so never bothered), for some reason it really does work wonders for colds in this house x
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That's very good to know,, thanks! I'll get it in the morning if still bad. Tonight he went down so well, I put him down at 6.45 thinking he'd be asleep by 7, he was asleep at 6.50! fingers crossed for the night and wu!
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A part from a couple of brief wakings, the night was ok and wu was 6.35!! I just hope it's not a one off!
Morning nap 9.50-11.25, I had to wake him! Afternoon nap 3-3.30 >:( Not sure what time to do bd now, hopefully the same as yesterday if he can manage.
Do you think I should wake him earlier from his morning nap to try to get a longer afternoon one? Yesterday with 1.25h in the morning he slept an hour in the afternoon, so maybe try that? ???
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Woo hoo good night sleep! But >:( to the pm nap as you said ;)
Yep, we can definitely try that. At least then both naps will be restorative and might help stop ant chance of OT NW's. Give it a go and see and let me know?
Hope BT was ok, sorry didn't get chance to check in till now x
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No problem, thanks again for your help! Unfortunately lo is properly sick now, started crying at 6 and didn't stop until I put him down. His cough keeps waking him, so could be a bad night! I guess because he's sick if he sleeps a lot again tomorrow morning I should let him? :(
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Yes and yes! Sleep and more sleep is needed to get through this yucky time hun. DD actually fell asleep on the sofa once when she was ill, scared the life out of me! She hasn't done that since she was a wee one.
I'd try and see how he does in the morning. You'll tell by his temperament. If he can only make a couple of hours, just dose him up and let him sleep. You'll find he'll be better in a day or two, I'm sure (hugs), hope he feel better soon x
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Will see how he is tomorrow then, thanks! x
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Well his cold is better (I think), but his naps are still patchy, especially the afternoon one >:(
Only one day this week he slept for an hour, all the other days have been mostly 30/35 mins. Don't know what to do anymore :(
I've been trying to push his bd forward, past 6.30, but it's really hard when he only sleeps 30 min in the afternoon.
His A times are now around 3.40hrs both am and pm. Today he woke at 5am coughing and could not get back to sleep, I went in at 5.30, tried very hard, he went back to sleep, only for 10 mins! So this morning he was up till 8.50, slept 1.05hr, afternoon A time 3.50, slept for 35 mins. I'm still going to try a bt of 6.30 and see where we are tomorrow.
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I'd hold it for another day, just to make sure he's totally over his cold hun. Then we can reassess tomorrow ok? Fingers crossed for a decent wu for you xx
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Ok, thanks! x
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Well, yesterday after the 35 min pm nap he was up till 6.35 and slept fine! He can definitely stay up longer before bt now, or maybe a one off ??? No, nws, woke at 4.55 though kind of crying, went and rubbed his back for about 5 mins, slept till 5.35. Now sleeping since 9.15, so he managed a 3.40hrs A. I think I will try 3.45 in the afternoon, I'm not going to wake him now as he's still got a bit of a runny nose, but the cough seems much better.
As for bt, I was thinking to push him to 6.45 today, unless he seems really tired, I'm still hoping for an hour pm nap (one can only hope!) though...
Btw, I was reading some posts about the 2-1 transition and I reckon we're getting there...will keep increasing his A time every three days or so and see what happens. I mean we're getting at least 11hrs at night, so I really want to get to a bd of 7/7.30 again, what is the best approach? Should I just keep him up a bit longer before bt (10 mins or so) every few days regardless of his pm nap? or wait till he starts napping better?
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I think one goes with the other hun, once they start napping better you automatically get a later BT, but in order to get good naps you have to push the A time and that will also get you a later BT! Confusing eh?!
I'm always cautious of pushing the last A too much that's because we had more issues with OT before BT than anywhere else in the day, but that's us. Some LO's can handle a much longer A to BT but it's a case of trial and error to find what works best. I'm sure an extra 10mins before BT won't hurt. Just keep an eye out for any OT NW's in the early part of the night. They're usually easy ish to resettle.
I'd try adding more onto the first A initially, but as he seems to be doing ok with the A time at 3hr 40, I'd do it slowly. So maybe 10-15mins onto it and hold for a week. Then we can play with the other ones once that's held. I'm trying not to tweak them all in one go so as we can find what works best xx
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Ok, he's had a good 1.20h nap this morning, so will try 3.40/3.45 before pm nap. Hopefully he'll do an hour and we can have a later bt without pushing the A time, fingers crossed!
So tomorrow, should I jump to 3.50 in the morning and leave the afternoon at 3.40?
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Sounds good hun, I wouldn't be too afraid to push that pm nap to 3.45 as he had such a good nap this morning x
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I was going to, but the crappy clock we have in his room is slow and I put him down too early, so 3.40 >:( At least we are half an hour ahead today, so bt 6.45 at the earliest!
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Oh well, remember all the days tell us something! We'll know after this nap whether he could go a bit longer or not ;) x
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He slept 1.15hr! hurray! ;D Woke at 3.30, so put him down for bt at 6.55, asleep at 7.10. I could have probably got away with a bit later, but didn't want to push it. That was the best day in a while! let's hope there'll be more like this!
So tomorrow morning I'll try 3.50 and see how long he naps. If it's good I'll go for 3.45 in the afternoon, fingers crossed! x
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Yay and yay!!! ;D
Hope the wu is good for you tomorrow am and keep me posted how the day goes. Don't be too disheartened if it doesn't work tomorrow ok? Not saying it won't, but sometimes you think you've cracked it, get all excited, only to feel really sh*t when it backfires. I really think we're getting somewhere, this is sooo much better than when we started xx
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Ok, will do! I always expect the worse now, especially in the afternoon, so if it goes well, it's a bonus! x
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Love your style hun! I remember when DD finally started napping longer than 45mims.. Didn't know what to do with myself! Everything crossed for you here xx
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Today so far, kind of woke at 5.05, made some noise for 10 min, then asleep, a little noise again, asleep till 6.10, I'll take it! Down for nap at 10 till 11.15ish, not great but he stayed up ok. Should I still keep him up for 3.45 now? that'll take me to 3, so even if he sleeps half an hour, I will still do bt at 7, which is great :)
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Yep, I'd do it hun. It's kind of setting the naps which I think is fine to do at this age just to get some consistency in! Xx
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Didn't go down for his nap well this afternoon, cried a little bit, so I thought half an hour here...he did 40 minutes, oh well.. woke at 3.45, so I think I've got enough time for a 7.15 bt unless he seems too tired. Will try the same tomorrow, shall I? Thanks!
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I'd hold it for another few days hun, we've moved it so much recently. Have a feeling yet another bump will be on the cards soon ish, but as I said before, that'll take you into 2-1 territory xx
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Ok, I'm happy where we are now, as he went to sleep at 7.15 tonight, perfect! Hopefully he'll get used to this new schedule and won't wake at 5am anymore! ;D xx
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I definitely think moving that first nap out was the right thing to do there! Xx
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Great wu this morning, 6.20! only woke between 1 and 2am, but didn't cry, so not sure if he was just stirring or what... He then stirred at around 5am, but didn't wake. Morning nap again 1.15/20 after A time of 3.45 (couldn't manage more). Afternoon, went to park, thought I had all the time, came back at 2.35, he was asleep in the buggy! Put him in his cot, cried a bit, but carried on sleeping, but only for 35/40 minutes >:( not good, but I will persevere with bt at 7ish.
Tomorrow morning we have his check up at 10 >:( what would you do about his nap? it will depend on his wu, but not sure is I should just keep him up and he might fall asleep on the way (we are walking and it takes about 20 minutes). I'd rather he fell asleep on the way back, I could always hang around somewhere if the weather is nice...
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Grrr just lost my reply to you >:(
Anyhoo, long and short of it was, I think I'd try and keep him up for the journey there, perhaps take some snacks or something to keep him entertained. I'd presume he will fall asleep on the way back, but guess we'll have to roll with it. If he takes a short nap (my DD always slept less when not in bed), I'd hold your usual A time and try for a nap gain in the afternoon. If it's a short nap there too, just do an EBT. These one-off things happen, it won't affect what you're doing in the long run.
If by some coincidence he actually takes a longer nap in the pm after a short nap in the am, we'll know more yet again xx
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Yes, that sounds like a good plan, I just hope he doesn't wake earlier than 6, or he'll be really knackered, won't be able to show the hv his good crawling :( He's the same, doesn't sleep much in the buggy or the car, let alone planes >:(
I was also thinking it's a good excuse to find out if he would sleep more in the afternoon after a catnap in the morning...
Do you remember how long were your dd's naps at this age (he'll be 10 months on the 25th) xx
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We were mostly on one nap around now hun I think, or at least heading there.
We were doing 4.5hr first A for 1.5hr nap and attempting an UT nap after 3.5hrs (capped at 30 mins if she did take it which was rare), then 2.75hrs to BT. We were on the earlier side of going to one nap though ;).
Good luck today x
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Looks like we don't have to go anywhere, I've just double checked the letter for the appointment and next to "venue" it says "your home" !! can't believe we didn't spot that all these weeks we had the letter!! my brain is definitely not working as it used to :o
so now I'm gonna have to keep him up till the hv is gone, let's hope he doesn't get too grumpy...
Wow your dd was up a lot already at this age! ds has always been on the low side of A time for his age, so I'm quite surprised at how long he's awake now!
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Ok, so the visit went well, put him down at 10.30, went to sleep quickly, no crying, phew...30 minutes, awake obviously. Went to rub his back as he was kind of screaming, calmed down, left him to himself, usual noise for 15 minutes than quiet, went to have a look, asleep!! this had not happened in a long time! now I guess is going to sleep for another 40/45 mins, which will take us to 12, what do I do for his pm nap? if I keep him up the usual A time we will be at 3.45pm, very late for a nap! shall I just give him half an hour then? this is typical, tonight we are going out DH and I alone (only second time in 9 1/2 months!) as our neighbour has kindly offered to babysit, so I don't want to put him down later than 7.15 and now if he sleeps till 4.15 he won't be tired enough! ???
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Sorry hun, one of those crazy days here.. Hard to log on when we're nap capping now.
What did you do in the end hun? I would've done a short nap as you said, especially as you've got a babysitter in. I hope you have a nice night out :-*
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Oh don't worry, no problems! we went to the park and thankfully he fell asleep on the way back at 3.25, left him in the buggy in the lounge and had to wake him at 4, then bed at 7, asleep at 7.10! Just got back and our neighbour said she did not hear a sound, so hopefully he's sleeping well! All in all a good day, considering the morning! :) fingers crossed for the wu! this morning he woke at 6.05, so not bad!
should I carry on with 3.50 A time in the morning, I think I could probably push him another 5/10 mins or maybe hold on another day...
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This is looking good hun, it's totally up to you about pushing the first A. If you think he's ready then go for it. You'll probably have to cap that second nap as you have been doing to preserve BT x
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mmm this morning wu 5.50 >:( I wonder if it's because he didn't stay up as long as usual before bt yesterday... fingers crossed for good naps, I think will try 3.50 this morning again and may be increase tomorrow.
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Today has gone well in the end so far ;D This morning after 3h50ish A time he slept for 1h5, then this afternoon we had visitors, so we kept him up for 4hrs or so and he slept for 1h10! Does that tell me he can handle 4hrs A time now? should I keep him up for that long in the morning as well from tomorrow? I will probably have to start capping one of the two naps though, won't I? today he woke at 4pm so I'm happy to put him down at 7.15/30 and see what time he wakes in the morning.
He is better after sleeping an hour in the afternoon, so I'm tempted to cap the morning nap, wdyt?
Should I start a post for 2-1 transition ???
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Haha, I hate to say i told you so about the 2-1 :P
It starts to get a little tricky around now as you ideally can't have 4hrs A time before each nap, with longer naps as that will make the day horrendously long.
I wouldn't cap the morning nap now hun. The reason being is that this will be the nap that remains when you're on one nap albeit later on in the day. He's not refusing the pm nap just yet so I'd hold it, but reduce the A slightly so you get an UT nap in order to preserve BT. He'll be happier as it'll be all the sleep he needs. Does that make sense?
I'll post the link for you to have a read through. I'm presuming that first A will have to be moved out in a matter of days or a week as he'll get used to it soon x
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
P.s and don't worry about starting a new thread...I'm happy to guide you through it as long as you don't want some new eyes? X
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That's great advice, thank you! it does make sense to keep the morning nap long, so I should keep increasing the A time in the morning then and if we get a good nap, reducing the pm, ok!
I'm happy to keep using this thread! I feel like I owe you lots, you've been so helpful, you saved my sanity! a month or so ago we nearly paid for a sleep consultant, so you also saved us lots of money! I would like to send you a thank you card if you feel like you could share your address with a private msg, but don't worry if not! I will for sure make a donation to this website anyway! :)
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You don't have to thank me hun, it's my pleasure. Funnily enough, I've been where you are now. I started a 3-2 thread that quickly turned into the 2-1!! With help on here I cracked it, so it's my way of paying it forward. I was soooo much better with the 2-1 than any of the other transitions ;)
I'd hold that first A at 3hr 50 tomorrow, see what happens. Perhaps go back to 3hr 45mims for second nap? Remind me, how long does he like before BT if it's a shorter nap? Saves me going through our conversation ;) xx
P.s I've just updated the thread topic just in case people are searching for answers to questions they may have xx
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He can stay up to 3.5hrs before bt, but yesterday and today he did 3.10 and 3.15, so I'd say 3.15 would be the ideal. Today he went swimming at 4.30 and he looked more tired than usual. I did bt at 7.05 and he was asleep at 7.20. It'll be interesting to see if he sleeps longer in the morning.
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Definitely. Let's see how the wu is, let me know. Fun packed day for you then, swimming and friends over! We went swimming today too as it happens. We go in the morning as I can't face doing anything like that so late though with all the school kids around ;) xx
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I know, usually dh takes him in the morning, but today we had other things planned, definitely not doing it again though, as he said he didn't have much energy, poor thing! Yes and the friends were really late and they would not leave >:(, even if their dd who is 11 months was clearly really tired! I had to put ds down, I don't care! ;D it all worked out in the end, thankfully!
ah yes and the in laws wanted to come and visit too :o
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oh dear, looks like the ews are back >:( wu this morning 5.40, with a bt of 7.20! wth? he had a good day yesterday, wasn't OT at bt, so don't know what is going on...
I'm going to keep him up till 9.30 and see
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Yk I think this is showing he needs less sleep overall hun. We were getting better WU's with the less DT sleep weren't we?
Let's see how the first nap goes. I wonder if he takes a long nap there whether we push a little more for the pm one today, wake after an hour and hopefully that'll get you to a reasonable BT? He'll be able to handle a longer A before BT with longer than 30-40 mins nap. Wdyt? Will be a long day though :-\ xx
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So what A time should I do this morning? yesterday with 3.50 he slept 1h05, I'm tempted to do 4hrs
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Do it if you think he can handle it! An extra 10 mins should be ok x
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He was clearly very tired from the night, I forgot to mention he was kind of awake between 1 and 2am, not crying, not sure was he was doing as I didn't check. Anyway, so he only handled 3.45 A time and slept for 1.25, woke crying though ???
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Ok, still that's not bad. How did the afternoon go?
Funny he had the NW when he had a good day of naps yesterday. Could be UT behaviour. I'm thinking we've got to keep pushing these A times and stick with a longer first nap and shorter second xx
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Yes, I did wonder why he woke in the middle of the night, he never does, not for that long anyway. He can't have been in pain as he sounded fine, no crying.
I agree about having a longer nap in the morning, I think if he has a good am nap I will start capping the pm nap.
We went out in the afternoon as he was getting a bit whiny; cheered up in the park, walked home at around 2.30, he was asleep by 2.45, left him in the buggy and he slept for 30 mins, bt 6.50. Looking at my logs he did well with an A time of 3.5hrs before bt, so will see.
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How's it going hun? Xx
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This morning wu was 5.40, still bad but good night sleep, no nws. He did go to sleep at 6.50 yesterday, so nearly 11hrs. I'm not sure if he was completely awake from 5.40 as he was able to stay up till 10 and slept only 1h10. Anyway, had a 30 min nap at 3, bt 7, asleep 7.10. Fingers crossed for a later wu.
I will go for 4hrs A time tomorrow morning if the night goes well. All in all we had a good weekend, perfect if it had not been for the ew >:( Maybe he'll sleep longer at night when he goes down to one nap ???
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He might sleep longer at night for a little while once down to one nap, but inevitably they do get used to it and you have the age old dilemma of either chopping down the nap and hoping the nights lengthen... We'vevhad this issue recently. However, it is nice once it stabilises out though. There's a set time for nap and BT and you understand better about their sleep needs (until they drop of course ;)) x
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Well this morning was another 5.35ish wu >:( again managed to get him to 10 and he slept for 1h10, I really thought he would have slept more ??? Afternoon nap at 2.55 (fell asleep on the pushchair just before we got home and I put him in bed), nearly 40 min
Will put him down for bed just before 7.
Last night he did wake at 10.15, exactly 3 hours after bt. It's quite common that he stirs or wakes after three hours, but doesn't usually cry, yesterday he did a bit, calmed him down quite quickly then no more nws.
I really don't understand how last week we had three good wus in a row, then back to ews ??? I checked my logs and he did have 2 hours or so of daytime sleep, now he's only getting 1.45ish. Maybe a longer am nap is the key??? Should I keep him up even longer tomorrow? It's hard when he wakes that early, because he's kind of half asleep for a bit, so it's not easy to work out the A time..
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I'd be careful as for some a 1hr 10mins nap does signal OT. However for you, it does seem like he's getting used to these new A times quite quickly.
We still get stirring here around 10-10.30pm. I've never figured out why. I can tell OT NW's as they're usually after the first sleep cycle or two. The 10pm one I put down to the fact that was her DF when we stopped it at 8mo! No evidence to back that up though ;)
I would hold that A time for another couple of days hun, just to rule out an OT nap. I don't want to push him too much too soon and it back fire on us.
I would count the A time from when he gets out of bed. If he is still half asleep and not crying, perhaps you could try leaving him as long as possible? Perhaps set it as 6am earliest get up? Even if you do have to be in the room quietly telling him it's time for sleep, then when 6am comes along, make a big fuss, lights on etc about getting him out of bed. Wdyt?
I still do this with DD now, I don't ever get her out of bed before 6.15am. I've even told her at 6am it's time to go back to sleep and gone back to bed, just to see if she'll go back to sleep! Xx
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Yes, I never get him out before 6 (used to be 6.30 :(). I usually leave him until he cries, just have a peep to see what he's up to :P
Today I managed to calm him down and keep him in bed till 6.15, maybe that's why he wasn't too tired at 10 ..mmm... will follow your advice tomorrow and count from when I get him out of bed. I don't really want to push past 4hrs, like you said, too early.
Tonight he went to sleep really quickly, put him down at 6.55, asleep at 6.58! fingers crossed
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Oh that's lovely... 3mins to fall asleep. We still have 30mins of chatting here whatever time I put her to bed. It is rather amusing listening to it though :P
I think that way, setting the A time from getting out of bed actually stops us stressing so much yk? I used to drive myself crazy wondering if I hadn't heard her for 5mims or whatever. Thinking back, what a worry pot ::).
Hoping for a decent wu for you xx
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Oh I'm so glad I'm not the only one :P I always tell myself not to get up until he cries, but inevitably I go and have a look....silly me
This morning I was so tired (and p.. off) that I fed him, changed him (oh yes, I forgot to say he nearly always has a poo as soon as he wakes! today it was massive, maybe that's why he couldn't get back to sleep) put him in the cot with some toys and went back to bed! he only lasted 10/15 mins though :(
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Great night, no nws and wu 5.55, in bed till 6.15 ;D I knew the way he went down last night was a good sign ;)
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This is amazing! Yay! Rinse and repeat?? Xx
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I hope so! This morning he only slept 1h05 though, maybe I put him down too early, it was 10. I should have counted 6.15 as wu, I think I'll try that tomorrow. Then this afternoon he kind of fought the nap a bit, but then went to sleep quite quickly at 3ish, thought he would wake after 30/40 min, but he carried on! Didn't know what to do, so I woke him at 3.50 and bt 7.15, went down quite quickly again, so fingers crossed.
I'm not sure what to do about the pm nap anymore, should I just allow him 30/40 min, or it depends on the am nap?
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I think well know that after tonight hun. Sometimes they need random catch up naps. Other times, they sleep for England, you think you've gone great, then the night goes to pot ::)
I'll be interested to see how the wu is tomorrow morning. I too would've allowed extra sleep for the pm nap as the am one was shorter. The fact you haven't had BT silliness shows all is good there, but as I said, I'd be interested to see how the night and wu is xx
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wu 5.50 >:( less than 11hrs' sleep. Was awake but quiet until 6.05, so will try for a nap at 10.05. I've got to stay positive but this is starting to drive me mad again, I just want some consistency :( I guess I should look on the bright side, at least he's not waking at 5 anymore (for now)!
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It is better hun, just not quite as we want it just yet.
I was thinking last night, how do you feel about setting the naps and BT? It will take the guessing game out of the A time and give you *some consistency back. We will need to tweak it again, and probably soon. But it's a case of setting the nap times and BT irrelevant of wu time. BT can be up to 30mins earlier on crappy nap days, but otherwise you stick with it come hell or high water. Wdyt?
I'll post the link for you to have a read through. I know it says toddlers but it did really work well for me around this time in the transition.
Set naps for toddlers: Why, How and When
I'm thinking..
Wu aim for 6.15 out of bed
Nap 1 10.15-11.25 (his norm, but allow to sleep up to 1.5hrs if he'll do it)
Nap 2 3-3.40
BT 7 for asleep by 7.15pm
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Yes, I was trying to do set times, so I'm definitely up for it! I was doing more 1st nap at 10, but will try 10.15, second at 3 and bt 7, so I'll carry on this way. I was looking at my logs and last week he slept more in the morning with 3h40 A time, maybe he's still not used to the 4hrs? sometime I really want to give up trying to figure things up yk? At least we're going away for the weekend to stay with friends with another baby the same age and a 3yo. I know it'll go wonky, but I do need a break!
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A weekend away sounds lovely! He might get more tired with all the extra stimulation, so go with the flow.
Hmm it may be that he isn't used to the 4hrs then hun and 1hr 10 is an OT nap. You could try it earlier if you think it'll help? Maybe just for today and see? Xx
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I ended up putting him down at 9.50, went to sleep at 9.53, still 1h10 >:( hoping for 40 min in the afternoon (I will wake him if still asleep), bt 7 and tomorrow is another day! To me he doesn't look OT when I put him down for his am nap, he usually cries when OT, if he's changed in that respect too, I don't know what I'm doing anymore ???
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You're doing great hun, this is really helpful knowing his signs for OT. I still don't know them for DD, not sure she's ever had it ;)
Ok, let's try the set nap thing then shall we? That would mean the first A is pushed out again anyway? Fancy trying it? It would mean sticking to it for at least 3 days and we might have enough time before you're off for the weekend to see if it's making a difference? Xx
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mmm we've only got tomorrow as we are off on Friday morning! I'll have to start on Monday. In a way we have been doing set naps since Sunday, I checked my logs and he always went around 10 and 3, 7ish bt, so hopefully it's sinking in ;)
Also to be fair this is only the second week we've been doing bt at 7 again, so maybe he's getting used to it? He's not waking at 5 and going back to sleep, he's waking at 5.35 at the earliest, more 5.40, 5.50 now, so hopefully it's getting later slowly?
Anyway, this afternoon I woke him at 3.40, bt 7.05. I'll see what the wu is tomorrow and because it's the last day at home for a couple of days, I might trying putting down earlier for his nap, 3.45 again and see what happens ???
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Might be worth giving it a go tomorrow since it's the only day left before your weekend away? Then we'll see what happens and go for it Monday!! Xx
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Very good morning today: wu 6.10-15 (he did stir at 5.10 for about 5/10 min, but was not fully awake), then nap at 10ish, slept for...1h30!! ;D this is why is so good to keep a log, it does seem that 3.45 A time is better for him, 4hrs too much, you were right about the OT nap!
Had a busy afternoon in the park with friends who took him for a while (and gave him chips >:( ), so put nap at 3.12, will wake him at 40 min. ETA: he woke at 3.45, so no need to wake him!
Will set off tomorrow morning at 9.30, hopefully he'll have a sleep in the car (he doesn't usually sleep much though). Have a great weekend! will update for sure on Monday! xx
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Yay, excellent!! Have a fantastic weekend hun and enjoy it! Xx
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Hi! we survived the weekend ;D DS was sooo tired, I don't think he's had three days like this before! Anyway, yesterday he slept well and we're back to normal, phew.
So this morning he woke at 5.15, but went back to sleep quite quickly without help and slept till 6.22 ;D Nap at 10, 1h10, nap at 3, 30 mins, not great but I think he'll manage bt at 7. With a A time of 3.40ish this morning he didn't sleep a lot like last week, so do you think I should still go for fixed morning nap at 10.15 whatever the wu?
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Yay, I hope you enjoyed it though? It can be so tiring for you too!
Yep, I think it's time to set the naps, shall we give it a go for a week and see? It's not so much of a push, but it'll be good to see if he settles into it xx
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It was nice to see our friends, although the journey there was horrible and their little one was teething and being very difficult, so everyone was very tired!
Ok, will try with 10.15 tomorrow :o fingers crossed he doesn't wake too early, do I stick with it if he does?
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Yep, I would just to see how it goes, remember it might take a few days for him to settle into it, so there might be OT naps here and there. Saying that, it's not too large a jump in A so it shouldn't be too bad, fingers crossed xx
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wu today 6.20! ;D It seems that if he doesn't poo then he sleeps longer as there was no poo yesterday and today and other mornings when he woke later. Should be ok for nap at 10.15 now, let's see what happens...
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fell asleep at 10.10 and still asleep now at 11.40 :o I guess I have to wake him now and put him down at 3
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Woo hoo! How did the pm nap go? Xx
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Not very well, he nearly fell asleep in the pushchair, then when we got back I put him down after a bit and only slept for 25 mins (I think, not sure if I got the time right)! Went to sleep well at 7 though, 5 mins and he was gone!
All in all quite good as a first try. Do you think I should always wake him at 1h30 from his am nap?
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Yes I do, or else he won't take that second nap. I wouldn't worry about being at home for that one, a car nap, or pushchair nap is fine. And around 30mims is absolutely great actually. An extra 10mims might have been nice but hey ho, who's to moan about 10mins? ;)
Let me know how the night and wu goes xx
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That's good to know as we are often out at that time and I don't like to rush home! fingers crossed for night and wu! he has got a little cough from the weekend :(
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That nap is not as important.. You'll probably have to apop it later down the line anyway so it might be good that he gets used to being out and about.. Might make the transition easier compared to mine who was apop-resistant! Boo to the cough xx
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We are thinking about enrolling him for swimming lessons again (we stopped in May for the summer) and the only one suitable is on Saturdays at 11.30. Do you think if we go with it, I should put him down for am nap a bit early, say at 10 and just give him an hour and let him sleep longer in the afternoon, if he does? thanks! xx
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Yep, could try that as it's only once a week. He'll be more likely to sleep longer in the afternoons as swimming is quite tiring xx
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Cool, thanks!
we had a nw at 3.35, seemed like he was about to cry then settled himself, wu 5.40, he was happy in his cot till 6 then started crying. I kept him in there till 6.15, but not happy! >:(
ETA: Despite the earlier wu I managed to keep him up till 10, put him down at 10.05, asleep at 10.08, had to wake him at 11.40. Pm nap: 3-3.30ish, coughed and woke himself up >:( he's coughing quite a bit, annoying
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Coughs are annoying and there's not much you can do but ride them out I'm afraid. DD had one. Recently and I swore she was up all night coughing. A day or two later she can a car nap as we were out and about and she just coughed in her sleep and carried on again. I know she didn't wake up as I was watching her and her sleep cycle (car nap) lasts 40 mins xx
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Well we had an ok weekend for once! ;D cough seems gone, naps were a bit funny on Friday (only 40 mins in the morning ???), then Saturday swimming, so he only slept an hour for am nap then pm nap 25 mins! Despite this, he slept well last night, woke at 5.40 (bt was 7.15), fussed a bit, then slept till 6.55 :o
Today am nap: 10.20- 11.40 (had to wake him as we were going out for lunch)
pm nap in buggy: 3.05-3.40ish, bt 7.15ish
I think it's going well, I loooove having set times for naps and bt!! ;D
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So glad hun, I loved them too! It just makes everything easier doesn't it? It's also great hell nap out and about in the buggy too so you don't have to race home. That will come in useful when you have to apop the nap later on down the line ;)
I think it does show we've got the balance right with the naps especially as he can pull a long night after short naps. All I can say is yay!! Xx
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I know it's early days, but we've got him down to start nursery at the end of September for two mornings a week, 8 till 1 and I'm already wondering what to do about the morning nap ??? he will be able to have a nap there, but surely it'll be much later than 10.15 by then, dyt? shall I just wait and see where we are at the beginning of September?
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A lot will change between now and September hun. Also, you may find it'll take a while for him to nap there, many have a few issues at the start. It might be that he has a short nap there in the morning of 15-20mims or so and you can get him home for his longer nap in the afternoon. It will also depend if the nursery have set nap times that we have to work around too xx
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I guess we'll wait and see... I'd better enjoy this consistency while it lasts! ;D xx
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Well the last two days have been:
Monday
wu: 6
nap 1: 10.10- 11.20
nap 2: 3.05-3.55 (let him sleep a bit longer since the shorter am na, then woke him)
bt:7.10 (woke crying at 11pm, but could be because he accidentally turned on his musical toy)
Today
wu: 6.30 (stirred a bit at 5 but back to sleep quite quickly)
nap 1:10.15-11.20 >:(
nap 2: 2.45 (fell asleep in pushchair, then home put him in cot at 2.50)- still sleeping
I might be wrong but I can see his two top teeth through his gums (but not coming through yet), he has been a bit more clingy than usual, so I wonder if I should let him sleep for an hour? I will wake him at 3.45max and see what happens. If we have a bad evening/night, won't do it again.
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Teething could definitely be play there hun. I'd try medicating 20mins before the nap,with ibuprofen and see if that helps. See how the longer nap goes, we can but try xx
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Yes, will do. I did give him Calpol before bt now, so will see if it helps. I need to get some ibuprofen, we don't have any, only paracetamol. Went down well at 7.10 :)
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Yay, ibuprofen works sooo much better for teeth hun, problem is you can only give once every 6hrs. Can top up with Calpol in between though xx
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We had two very good days yesterday and today (so far)!
Yesterday:
wu:6.15
nap 1: 10.15-11.45 (woke him)
nap 2: 3.05-3.45
bt: 7.15, only nw at 4.45, talked to himself for a bit, then asleep on his own.
Today:
wu: 6.50 :o
nap 1: 10.18- 11.48
nap 2: 3.05-3.35
I haven't given him any drugs as he seems fine, guess no teeth yet ??? So, we've been doing the set naps and bt for a week or so now, I think it's going well overall. He's definitely sleeping longer in the morning, we had a whole week with wus later than 6am! I don't think we had that for a couple of months! could be because he's very mobile at the moment, but the routine is definitely working, alleluia!
How long do you think I should keep these set times for? Until it stops working?xx
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That's excellent hun. Love that wu, and just to,think we started with 5am WU's!!
Yep, I'd keep as is until the first nap starts shortening on it's own. You may have EW again, but as teeth are on their way EW can be because of that too so we don't want to move the nap if it's because of teething yk.
You may find he starts refusing the pm nap, when he does this more often than not, that's when we start pushing that first A lots!!
Got to love set naps and BT! We'll keep with that when we eventually move him to one nap too as it obviously suits you both ;) xx
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Hello! I'm back to pester you again ;D
Lo is 11 months tomorrow! :o I think he's starting to fight the pm nap... the last few weeks have been very good (apart from a night away which was a disaster!). For the last week I have pushed everything 15 mins later, so our routine is like this:
wu: between 6 and 6.30
- nap1: 10.30 (either 1.10h or I wake him at 1.30h, I tried to work out how and why he sleeps more some days and less others, but not a clue)
- nap2: 3.15 (either 30 mins or I wake him at 40/45 depending on how the first nap went)
- bt: 7.15 and asleep by 7.25/30
I'm going to give it another couple of days to settle, then I'll be back for advice I think! Is the next step to push the first nap later by 15mins or so? do I push the pm nap as well then but cut it shorter? xx
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Hiya, welcome back! You kept that going quite a while actually, I was expecting to hear from you sooner ;)
2 things you can do now hun just as you said, 1 is push that first A another 15mins, but also cap the pm nap to 15mims so your day doesn't get too long. Adding on an extra few mins befor the CN might help him take it, but there's no guarantee he'll just wake up grumpy after the longer A and shorter sleep.
So something like this:
Wu 6/6.30
Nap 1 10.45-12.15
Nap 2 3.45-4
BT 7/7.15
That last A night be a little long on a 15 mins CN, we might have to tweak that one and see xx
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haha, I jus looked at the date of my last post, nearly three weeks ago!
Actually today things were still fine, although I think teething is on its way, I finally saw a bit of white on the top gums ;D I forgot to say that last night we had quite a bit of crying at bt, he kept standing up and not wanting to go to sleep, then he woke this morning at 5.35 >:( I did manage to get him back to sleep (to my disbelief) at around 6.30 and he slept till 7.20. Then nap at 10.30, bit of crying again, then had to wake him after 1.30h. I gave him Calpol in the afternoon and he went down ok at 3.25, let him sleep till 4.10. BT was fine (phew), after more Calpol, went down no problems at 7.30ish.
I think I'll hold off until the teeth come through. Do you think I should not waking him up because of the teething like when he's sick?
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Just on the off chance you are online this morning, I have a dilemma ??? We had an incredible wu at 7.20!! no nws, nothing :o
do I put him down later for his morning nap? or stick to 10.30 and he'll probably won't sleep 1.30h... I think I'll try at least 10.45, this afternoon he'll be in the pushchair for a while so I'm hoping for a cn there, could do with a decent nap this morning...
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What did you do hun? I probably would've chanced a one nap day, but that's just me!! ;) xx
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I put him down at 10.45, too early... he only slept 1.05h :( Then he had a 30 min in the pushchair around 3.10, bt 7.20 (asleep at this time). If for a kind of miracle he sleeps till 7 again, what time do you think I should put him down for his nap, he can definitely handle 4hrs A time and more now, but I'm not sure how more as we've been doing set times for a while and it's hard to know. Sometimes he sleeps a lot after 4.30hrs sometimes he doesn't ???
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Sorry hun, I keep missing you atm :(. I couldn't log on this morning. How's today gone? Xx
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No worries! I think we are in the middle of teething, so won't push anything now... He woke at 6.05, then tried to get back to sleep, but couldn't (he had a poo) and up at 6.35. Then he was really tired, kept yawning, so when I put him down at 10.25 he slept for 1.10h and this afternoon he cried a bit before going down at 3.25, let him sleep longer and woke him at 4.15. Lots of crying after dinner, then calmed down, gave him drugs and went down really quickly at 7.20, will see what happens...
I'll probably come back when he's better I think ;)
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Good idea hun, teething sucks!! Best not to switch up anything just yet. Hope it gets better soon xx
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Hi there, hope you are well ;D
The top teeth are taking ages!! >:( One is through, the other one very close and I think there will be a third one soon, although a smaller one, so might not be as bad. All in all he hasn't been too bad apart from a 4am wake once last week >:(
I still have managed to push his am nap later, we are now at 11am, with a wu between 6 and 6.30. Second nap between 3.30 and 4, 30 mins max, often in car or stroller. Now, the am nap is not very long atm, it's been 1h05 or 1h20 at the most. I will leave it at 11am for few more days as we've just started, but dyt I should cut the cn shorter in order to get a longer one in the morning? the nights are generally fine, no nws or ews.
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Argh hate it when teeth take ages. Did the shorter nap in the morning happen after you pushed the A time a little more or was it getting shorter beforehand hun? Xx
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I need o double check, but I'm pretty sure it happened before. Yesterday and today we put him down at 10.55 and he slept 1h05 yesterday and 1h10 today >:(
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I checked and the last time he had a long am nap he went down at 10.25, but he had woke early and been awake for 4h50! before then he slept long even after only 4hrs A time ??? I thought he started sleeping less when he started teething, but now he has done it for a good two weeks! The other day he fell asleep at 10.25 because we were out, put him in his cot when we got back and still only slept 1h and a bit. Should I back off and put him down at 10.30 or 10.45 again?
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The reason I'm thinking is that for some bubbas 1hr 10mins nap can signal OT. It didn't for mine however, but quite a few I've helped on here have found that.
It could be because of the teething he can handle less A time atm. I think it might be worth giving the shorter A time a go tomorrow just to check and see? Worst case scenario is that you end up with 2 short naps and an EBT xx
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I will give it a go and see what happens ;D thanks!
Even if he only sleeps an hour or so, his pm nap is usually after 4hrs at the most, so still in time for a 7 bt. At the moment he's having 3hrs A time before bt and going down very quickly!
P.S. two teeth out on top for now, so hopefully we'll get a break for a bit?
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Everything crossed for you hun. Let me know how it got xx
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Thanks! wu at 5.45 again today, 3rd morning in the last 4 days! >:( I reckon it's because he's not getting enough daytime sleep, 1h40ish is not enough I don't think ??? Will do a nap at 10.30, I'm not holding my breath though...
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How did the nap go hun? It's so difficult to judge when teething wrt EW xx
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It went well! ;D didn't wake him as he was very tired and slept 1h42! Currently out with dh in pushchair but at 3.50 he was not asleep yet :o
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Yay and yay!! If he refuses that CN try and bring BT to 6.30pm at absolute latest. Perhaps even 6pm would be better given what time he woke today. I hope he had a nap for you xx
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He did go down in the end! He had around 25 mins, so should be fine! fingers crossed he wakes a bit later tomorrow! xx
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Good luck hun, I'm off on holiday from super early tomorrow morning for the week so might be a bit patchy ok? Will check in when I can, but try and hold that same A time for tomorrow as today was again and let's hope! Xx
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Will do, thanks again and have a lovely holiday!! We're going to visit friends at the weekend, fingers crossed he'll be ok... ;)
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Hello!! it's been quite a while and ds has turned 1 now! should I just post in the toddlers' sleep? thanks! xx
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Hey welcome back! Yep, it's probably a good idea to start a new thread now, I can always pop by there if you want me to xx
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Yes, please! "see you there"!