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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Asha G on July 29, 2015, 07:38:51 am
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Hi there my lo is almost 9 months now and has been quite a good sleeper until the last 4/6 weeks.. She was going down around 7-730 and not waking until atlesst 7 am...
Current easy is
Wu 5/6am, sometimes goes back to sleep
7/715am bottle
830 am so,ids
10am nap, capping to 1.5 hrs
1130a, bottle
1230/1 solids
230pm nap capped to 1.5 hrs
4pm bottle
5pm so,ids
6300! Bottle
7/730 sleep
Have started trying wake to sleep so started stirring her at 4am
Sunday- woke at 6am, awake until I went in at 7
Monday - woke at 415 and was in and out of sleep until 630ish and then awake until I went in at 7
Tuesday -woke at 608am, awake until I went in at 7..
Wednesday - woke at 6ish, awake until I went in at 7..
I had also tried increasing her awake time in the morning but she really struggles to stay awake past 10am..(perhaps because she is often awake from 6am??). So then I decided to try the wake to sleep but so far she is only sleeping until 6am... And I haven't stopped waking her at 4 as yet so not sure if she wil. NOw continue to sleep until 6 or if she will start waking earlier again..
Should I continue stirring her for a few more days and should I now try stirring her at 5am instead of 4am?
Or does it look like wake to sleep is not working for my lo and it's the day routine that needs changing?
Please help!! I know I'm very lucky that she sleeps as long as she does but after waking at 4/5 am every day for the last few weeks I'm feeling exhausted and just want to try to get her back to her old routine knowing that she used to be able to sleep until 7am...!
Please help! Any advice is much appreciated!! Thank you!!
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So I stirred her again at 4am this morning and she woke up at 530am....😟 she was awake playing loudly until 630 and then she feel asleep ... I felt she was in quite deep sleep so I let her sleep until 730am today...
Please help!!! Is there anyway to get her to sleep through until 630 atleast???
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Is there anyone who can give me some advice please??
As of yesterday I stopped stirring her and she woke at 6am, today she woke at 5am and I struggled to get her back to sleep
For the last 2 days I have tried to extend her A time by 10-15 minutes (currently in 3 hr A time) and then let her sleep up ton2 hours for morning nap and then capped the 2nd nap as required so that age is getting no more than 3 hours in the day...
I really need some advice - please help me!! 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
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Sorry you were missed hun. Early WU's are the pits ::)
Yes, it does look like the first A needs extending. I would keep extending by 15mins, holding for 3 days then extending again until you get closer to 3.5 or even 4hrs. Time will tell when she'll start sleeping that bit later to when you can stop extending. Average A times- BOOKMARK ME!
I would also continue to cap that first nap at 1.5 hrs for now rather than 2 as this helps discourage the early WU's too. You may need to cap further or extend further but that too will come apparent in time as to which way she prefers it to be.
Have a read of this link as I think you're on your way there soon. 10/ 11mo sleep gone wonky? Read this first! (2-1 switch)
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Than you so much for coming back to me!!
Ok will definitely keep extending the A time.. I do find it tough at times though as sometimes she just does t want to stay awake and wil practical,y fall asleep during any activities I try to use to keep her up a bit longer !
I was posting on the easy forum before about her routine and the advice I was given was not to cap both naps and so to keep to 3 hours nap time in the day but then if she sleeps longerin the morning then to cap the afternoon nap as much as needed to keep to the 3 hours...?
When you say I may need to cap further or extend her further do you mean her first nap of the day?
So for now I should just keep capping at 1.5 hrs In the morning and afternoon?
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Yes I'd cap both to 1.5hrs or else your day might get a bit long.
Sometimes it can be learned behaviour to feel tired at a certain A time, doing something low-key or a change of scenery usually helps.
You can definitely cap the afternoon nap eventually as per the link I posted before. That's the way I did it as we got BT shenanigans and the day was getting much too lomg with the extended A times. Once they hit nearer the 4hr A time it gets a bit tricky fitting it all in. However, some that are prone to EW do better with not only extending the first A, but also capping the nap too, but I think we're a little way off deciding if that's the way to go yet. You still have room in your day for now to extend the A's, keep the 2x1.5hr naps and have a reasonable BT around 13hrs day total. The link is just a good one to have a read through as I think you'll be heading there in the not to distant future xx
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Thank you so much! And trying to fit everything in to the day along with increasing the A times is exactly what I've been struggling with in order to make these changes!
The weekend was quite busy so wasn't able to stick to a more strict routine but am hoping I can make some progress over the next few days and finally see an end to the early wakings!
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Good luck hun, keep me posted ok? Xx
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Hi there I thought I would give you an update on how things are going so far!
Have managed to increase her A time to 3.5 hrs (although there are some days where she will practically fall asleep whilst playing at 3hrs 20..)
Her easy is now
6am wu
7am go in her room and has bottle
830 breakfast
1030 nap
12pm bottle
130 lunch
330pm nap
5pm bottle
6pm dinner
730pm bottle
8pm bedtime
I'm having to cap both naps at 1.5 hours as she is fast asleep after 1.5 hours so having to wake her and she is sometimes in quite deep sleep - is this ok??
Early waking wise she is now waking at 6am which is better than 4 or 5 am !!!!! But I still was hoping to get her to sleep until 630/7... But I'm not sure she will or how to help her to do that - perhaps she only needs 10 hours at night? What do you think?
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That is a good amount of sleep overall. Obviously preferably it would be nice to have both.. Long naps and long ONS. However, I'm feeling this might not be the case with yours (as was with mine). How do you feel she is after the 10hrs ONS? Is she happy enough playing around in bed for an hour before you come and get her? Mine always was too ::).
Ideally we don't want to wake them from all their naps and in the morning as it doesn't give them a chance to self-regulate, but you are offering her more sleep in the morning, so I wouldn't worry about the naps too much atm. It is hard waking them all the time though isn't it? Xx
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So hard to wake her I feel so guilty!!!! Esp as I'm having to do it at both naps as she never seems to wake by herself..
In the Morning she does to tend to play by herself until I go in although the last couple mornings she has started crying around 630/640... Not sure if these are one offs or if this is how it will now continue...
Also as she is up at 6 should I be counting her A time from 6 ?? As I've been counting from 7 but could that be a reason she is so tired in the day?
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Technically, yes you count the A time from when they wake. However, at this age you can be a little more flexible. I too used to count get out of bed time as the start of the A time.
What you're doing atm in more the set nap and BT route, which is fine and actually I'm a fan of. I think it helps them regulate. And 4hrs A is not obscene for a 9mo. Mine was doing that too at this age.
I would try and stick with what you're doing for another 3 days or so hun. And come back to me? There is another plan we can try to lengthen the night sleep but that would mean cutting down further on the day sleep. If she's happy atm, I'd be tempted to leave it as is xx
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Ok thank you so much and I will post again in a few days!
At the mo she does seem happy so this maybe the routine I need to stick with for a while..!
Also forgot to mention that a couple of times she has fallen back asleep in the morning so I did have to wake her but she woke up straight away so guessing she no t in as deep sleep as when I have to wake her from naps!! It's taken me up to 10 minutes sometimes to stir awake after a nap!!
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It's good that she has fallen back to sleep in the morning, that's what I was hoping for! I think if we continue on this route and see if it stabilises, if the EW gets even earlier we may have to rethink.
Some bubbas do better with more daytime sleep and less night sleep, it's a guessing game to see what works best for her and of course family life. Their mood is a good indicator (except when teething ;)) xx
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Hi there so it's been a few more days and she is getting better at 3.5 hr A time but stil waking at 6am... Usually she plays until I go and get her although today she did fall asleep around 630/640 and was actual,h quite difficult to wake her at 7 so she must have fallen into deep sleep ...
What do you think is the best thing to do at this stage?
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Morning.. Just wanted to add that this morning my lo woke at 540... And fell asleep again at 630... So I will have to wake her again now... But her routine yesterday had to be tweaked (happens every Monday) as we have swimming so she was in bed by 7pm yesterday instead of 8pm...
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Ok it is great she's going back to sleep. How did the pm nap go today? Dyt an earlier BT gives her more sleep overall with your Monday routine? I wouldn't mind taking a look at that if you wouldn't mind? Might give us an idea wrt the general routine xx
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Hello! Her nap this afternoon was decent at 1hr20 ( we were at my mother in laws though and I feel she always sleeps better at home) .
Also I let her sleep in until 730am today- couldn't face waking her again fro, such a deep sleep and tbh I was so tired that I got an extra half hour too! Her morning nap was still at 1030am so 3 hour A time this morn but then back to normal rest of the day (3.5 HR A time)
Her Monday routine is
E 7am bottle
E 8am solids
S 9am - 1015 ( I put her down earlier so she gets a nap before swimming which is at 11..)
E 12pm bottle
S 1pm nap (I let her sleep for 2 hours here so she gets the 3 hrs in total for the day)
E 3pm so,ids
E 4pm bottle
E 6 pm bottle
S 7pm bedtime
The last couple weeks I felt she slept better Monday night and I think she didn't wake until about 630... Although I didn't note it down so not 100% sure... But then today she woke at 540 so not sure if it helps or not plus she ends up having a shorter A time between WU and 1st nap which I know you said can encourage early waking ...
Look forward to hearing your thoughts!
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This is really interesting hun. I think she's having more sleep overall with your Monday routine. Wdyt? So she is pulling a 12-hr night wih the Monday routine isn't she?
And she's ok with the 4hrs before BT? Any NW's in the early part of the night that you can remember?
The shorter A time can backfire massively as you said with EW. However capping that nap and making it much shorter helps discourage them using that nap to catch up on sleep. I probably wouldn't recommend just 2hrs A for the first one all the time though but it does give us an idea about the amount of sleep she needs overall yk?
It's also good to see that she can handle 2hrs 45mins A on a short nap and with swimming in the middle which does tend to knacker them out ;).
How did today go? Xx
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I think 11 hour night as she is going to sleep at 7pm but then waking at 6/630 am... Which is def better than she is usually doing but then given she woke at 540am on Tuesday this week I'm not sure that will continue!!
I don't think there was any NWs that night...
Yes she does struggle a little with the 4 HR awake time but she she seems to cope .. I thought it might be because she is getting the 2 hour nap in the afternoon...
Well this morning she woke up at 520am I think 😞😞😞😞😞😞 I think she might have fallen asleep for a short while but was up again by 640ish... Not sure what happened as yesterday the routine was as it usual,y is and has been the last couple weeks and she had started sleeping until 6 at least...
What do you think?
Also by the way what does YK mean?
Do you think If I were to try the Monday routine everyday that might help? Then what should the A time be in the morning and then hoe much should I cap her nap by? Should I also then let her sleep longer in The afternoon as I currently do on the Monday?
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Yk is you know ;)
Yes, I was considering the Monday routine. Especially as these EW seem to be the norm with the longer naps. We might have to resign ourselves to the fact she's lower than average sleep needs. It's not a problem as some do start to go through the 2-1 at this age, which is technically what you're doing with the short then longer nap. I'll post a link for you.
As I said before I probably wouldn't do 2hrs A every morning as in time she may start EW from that and it won't give us a true idea if the new routine is actually working. What we could do is move the routine on a bit so there's not the 4hrs A last thing?
How about we try this...
Wu say 7am
A 3hrs 15
Nap 10.15-11
A 3hrs
S 2-4 capped at 2hrs
A 3.5hrs
BT 7.30 asleep by 7.45
Wdyt? We could hold it for a few days to see? Obviously Monday will be a bit different but I think we'll have chance to see if it works for a few days before then? Xx
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
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Ah thanks!
My worry would be that she won't last the 3 HR A time after a 45 min nap with just me...! When we go swimming she has other stimulus which I think is what helps her stay awake and then she has her milk and that perks her up a little bit longer... So she manages the 3 hrs... But definitely willing to try !!
I think I wil start today and see how it goes and il make note over the next few days and then post again! Fingers crossed!!
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Do you think I could let her sleep for an hour in the morning instead of 45 mins? Or will that be harder to wake her from?
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Hi there so it's been a few days and I have been using the new routine as suggested but tbh I'm not sure it's working for her... Below is the routine for each day up until today...
Thursday
7am bottle
830 solids breakfast
1015-11 nap capped.. So hard to wake her, she was fast asleep!
11am bottle
12ish solids
2pm nap Capped at 4pm
4pm bottle
530 pm solids
715pm bottle
In bed at 735... Really struggled with the A time.. Even tho she has been quite good with 3.5 hrs And this time she had a 2 hr nap too so not sure why she felt so sleepy early in the eve..
Was moving around quite a lot early eve like she wasn't sleeping peacefully and then woke around midnight but went back to sleep.
Friday
Woke at 520am, fell asleep around 540 I think and then awake again 620ish.. Had pooed..
Bottle at 7am
830 solids
1015 nap capped at 1110
Bottle at 1120
Solids 1230
230pm nap ( was out so was delayed.. But she seemed to cope well with it) altho woke herself at 4..
430 bottle
530 solids
7pm bottle
730pm BT
Sat
Woke at 420. Played for a bit and then back to sleep til around 630..
715 bottle
830 solids but didn't eat
Fell asleep at 950... Let sleep until 11( hubby was looking after her!)
Bottle at 11
Solids 12pmish
Nap 245 - was getting tired just after 2 but didn't look ready for a nap but then got very agitated ( poss from the heat and also we has just gone to a friends house) so cried quite a lot before sleeping
Woke herself at 345 crying and wouldn't settle back to sleep, cried for about 20 mins - sobbing
Bottle around 430
Solids 530
Bottle 7
730 BT
Sunday
Woke around 515.. Fell asleep again around 6ish I think.. And stil asleep when I went in at 7..
1020 nap caped at 1110 , again very difficult to wake her
Bottle 1120
Fell asleep in car at 1228, journey was much longer cos of traffic so ended up sleeping over half An hour 😞
Woke at 115 so napped 45 mins
355pm nap capped at 510pm to take into account the nap she had in the car
Bt 820ish
Monday
Woke at 230am .. Crying on and off for 15 mins and then went back to sleep
Woke at 6ish I think and then fell asleep around 645..
Bottle 7am
Solids 8am
Nap 910-1020
Nap 1pm-3pm, capped
BT 7pm
Tuesday
Woke at 530am.. Fell asleep just before 7am - was really difficult to wake her
1020 nap
What do you think?
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I don't think it's too bad hun? You had great nights when the day wasn't off track. She is putting herself back to sleep in the morning which is good. It may be that she can't do such a long A time last thing. Mine couldn't either. The only thing would be to increase that first a but as she's difficult OT wake already I wouldn't suggest that. I'd probably stick with it another few days and see what happens?
I would spect Sunday was a little UT and possibly overstimulated if you'd been out. As was the crying on Sunday night/Monday morning xx
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Thanks! I think I'm just really struggling as I can't sleep once I hear she is awake so was really hoping I would find a routine that helps her sleep through til at least 6am!
Il keep going with it for a few more days and she how she goes.. But you think it's best to carry on as is and not tweak the A times or anything? Is it worth trying to increase the first A time to see if she can handle it?
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You could try 10mins and see if it makes a difference? Xx