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Title: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 16, 2016, 02:49:12 am
I'm trying to start a little more of a routine. According to the sample schedule which looks good lo doesn't seem to nap for long stretches more like a few 1 hour naps. But my issue has been this. He seems to wake around 430 from nap to eat but then he's tired again around 6 and it just seems late for a nap since we've been doing bedtime routine and feed at 7 but that hour from 6-7 is tough. Any tips?
Also we are still waking around 11/12, then again around 230 and 530 just thought we'd be getting longer stretches. He's even taking 6 oz bottles?!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 16, 2016, 07:12:16 am
He seems to wake around 430 from nap to eat but then he's tired again around 6 and it just seems late for a nap
How about put him down at 5.30 for nap instead of 6pm?  being awake from 4.30 to 6pm seems a bit long for 4 wk old, the guidance time is just 1hr A time.  If he slept 30 mins and woke at 6pm you can still go for BT at 7pm.  Otherwise if he slept the 1hr as you said he does for naps then perhaps you can do BT a bit later at 7.30?  Mine did not have a 'normal' BT at 4 wks I just did whatever fitted in with his last nap.

Also we are still waking around 11/12, then again around 230 and 530
Seems normal to me.  I can remember when mine was a few weeks older being asked about his feeds at a health check and weigh in and I said he was going about 5hrs between one of his night feeds (so something like 10pm and 3am), the HV said that's great but don't tell any of those mums in the waiting room!  Basically if/when a LO can do a stretch of longer than 3hrs between E at night then they will, but it's not something I would expect to happen, I think we were just lucky and quite unusual judging by the HVs reaction (and I was surprised to hear this was classed as sleeping through the night!).  I'm not aware of anything you can do to stretch those night feeds at this age, 3hrly E seems right.

Our routine probably became a bit more predictable between 5-10 weeks but even then it was only loosely predictable.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 16, 2016, 23:54:32 pm
Same problem today his last nap was 3-4 pm he ate at 415 and I tried to put him down for a nap by 515 and he never fell asleep. So we started bedtime routine early and I tried to feed him early around 640 but he fell asleep after 1 oz then woke up at 730 finished the feeding and back into bassinet.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 17, 2016, 16:48:50 pm
I wonder if you need to try for the nap a bit earlier? Perhaps missing the sleep window and he's OT by 1hr 15?
I also remember though the last nap of the day was the hardest with my LO.  It won't last for ever.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 17, 2016, 21:08:51 pm
But his other naps he usually starts showing signs by 1 hour 1 hour 15 mins and i put him in the swing and he's asleep in 15 mins do his A time is usually about 1.5 hours. I think it's just that witching hour. Last night he was up most of the night but not necessarily looking to eat I think he just wasn't sleeping. Normally he eats every 3 hours in dark room and goes right back to bed each time. Hoping that won't go on again tonight. He's actually taking a good nap now from 3-5. Still sleeping. What gets me is this. If he wakes up from nap at 5 he's due to eat at 530 (every 3 hrs) but then he'll be tired by 630 but not due to eat until 830. So what do i do?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 18, 2016, 07:08:55 am
Evening feed are often clustered. It doesn't have to be a cluster exactly as the book says, you can feed at 5pm (so it is a bit early, 2.5hr instead of 3) and again at 6pm ready for him to go to sleep if you think it will help.  It does of course depend how long he takes to eat, if it's taking a long time then one appears to almost run into the other.  Once he's asleep I'd let him wake for a feed if that is 8pm or 8.30 that's fine. I'd probably treat it as a night feed so straight back to bed and to sleep after eating (change of nappy if needed).  DF or NF at around 10 or 10.30pm and night feeds thereafter every 3 or more hours.

Mine was still feeding every 2.5hrs at 4wks. I remember it because it was during that week I was given a BW book and read about the 3hrly E. I started to stretch him just a few mins at a time aiming to get closer to 3hrs from that point.  The 2.5hr feeds were frequent, by the time one was finished, the nappy changed and a nap had the next feed came back around before the blink of an eye.
Even when his feeds were 3hrly and he was bigger we often had a very short gap between the last day feed and the BT feed. I just always gave him the pre-BT feed no matter how recently he had eaten, then the NF/DF around 10pm.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 18, 2016, 11:05:56 am
Thank you that's exactly what I was not sure of! I've been treating it that way and it's working out ok. Sonetimes I do stretch the last A time just a bit by the time we do bedtime routine and he finishes the bottle. I haven't been doing the 10pm dream feed though and he's been sleeping through fine. It's actually his longest stretch. Last night he ate around 7/730 and straight to bed and didn't wake until 2 then again at 6. But at 6 I'm not able to put him back down he's awake and happy so we are just starting our day a bit early.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 18, 2016, 18:11:20 pm
Last night he ate around 7/730 and straight to bed and didn't wake until 2
Well that is considered sleeping through the night - that's 7hrs!!  Amazing!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 19, 2016, 10:18:10 am
And last night I couldn't get him to sleep until 930! Lol how do I get him to go back to sleep after his 530 feeding? He's not wide awake but moving around for a bit then wakes.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 19, 2016, 10:24:37 am
how do I get him to go back to sleep after his 530 feeding? He's not wide awake but moving around for a bit then wakes.
I assume you mean in the morning.  Mine was also hit and miss at getting back to sleep at that time. Well, you can keep shushing until WU time which isn't always possible as Lo can end up very frustrated and mum can end up exhausted before the day even starts.  I ended up just accepting the 5am mornings until he was much older, I think he was down to 1 nap when he started sleeping a bit later. I felt like I'd tried everything.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 19, 2016, 10:55:47 am
When that last feeding comes earlier like 4/430 it's not a problem to get him back and then he sleeps until next feeding at 7/730 which is perfect. I'm trying to figure out how I can get him to feed earlier or sleep a bit later feeding at 6 instead of 5/530
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 19, 2016, 11:21:15 am
Are you talking about night feeds?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 19, 2016, 11:26:35 am
Yes I'm sorry. I'm delirious lol
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 19, 2016, 11:29:02 am
I managed to get him to stay asleep but it's very light sleep the entire time. I keep going into the room because I hear him on monitor but he's asleep when I go in just moving a bit making noise eyes shut.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 20, 2016, 18:06:46 pm
If he is sleeping perhaps don't go in unless you hear a cry?  Some babies (mine) are quite noisy sleepers.
I would think you could do a NF or DF at 4.30am if you really prefer that time and if it's a better sleep following it.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 23, 2016, 01:48:21 am
Had a rough night tonight .. Lo has literally been up for hours maybe 5! I know he's ot and that's why he's having a hard time but nothing's working to get him to sleep. He has a hard time with the Late afternoon nap so I fed him at 630 and put to bed he was asleep for about 30 mins and then woke and has been up for 2.5 hours! I hope it was just a fluke.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 23, 2016, 07:12:11 am
Sorry to hear you had such a hard night.  It's so exhausting with tiny baby.
Was he crying for a lot of the night or just awake?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 01:17:50 am
Help! Every night i feed and put lo down to sleep he usually falls asleep or is almost asleep when I put him down. Usually about 30 mins later (can be 10 mins later) he starts wimpering. I go back up see if he needs a burp and he falls asleep again in my arms I put him back and this goes on for hours. It's already been 2.5 hours of trying to put him to bed and he's been up since 4 pm! What can I do?!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 02:45:10 am
Just had to go back up again. It's been 4 hours! Is he just totally ot by now?! How do I change this tomorrow?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 25, 2016, 05:32:57 am
If he's taking his day naps in the swing he might find it harder to settle in his night bed in the evening for BT sleep.  Have you thought about starting the night sleep in the same place he has his day naps?  it could be that he likes the familiarity of it.

Are you able to stay with him for 20 mins after put down until he goes into a deeper sleep?  Maybe he is jolting?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 11:09:32 am
He's always gone to bed and slept inthe bassinet just fine at night. I think it's got To be that he's so ot by then. I've tried naps in there too with no luck and with a toddler to take care of too the swing is a definite nap. Yesterday he did sleep in the bassinet but for only 30 mins. The day time naps I can get through for now with apop and I can work on it more once toddler goes to school in 2 weeks. But now with the night time struggles this is getting hard and I'm sure his ot is building up. The fact that is last nap was from 3-4 and I couldn't get him to fall asleep last night and the past two nights is awful. I literally brought him up at 630 to feed and put into crib right after being that he fell asleep but once he woke up shortly after I had to resettle him and he didn't fall asleep until almost 11 pm!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 13:56:05 pm
I tried nap up in his crib today for 1 hr 15 mins and he wouldn't fall asleep. Now it's time to eat again and he hasn't napped more than 10 mins at a clip and has been up since 630! I'm going to lose it! All the while my toddler having tantrums while I'm trying to shh pat etc
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 25, 2016, 18:20:24 pm
I seem to remember you had a c-section and he's quite big already, but do you have a sling you can try or are you not ready for that?  Or perhaps a stroller in the family room with you?  I'm just trying to think of how you can be close to him and also not leave your 3yo who clearly needs you.

Hugs, it must be very tiring for you xx
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: lolsyb1982 on August 25, 2016, 18:33:15 pm
Do you have any friends/family that could entertain your older one whilst you concentrate on the baby and getting him to take a good nap.
If you could find a sling which is suitable I think it would be a life saver for you. My DD2 took all naps in the sling for months as she didn't sleep for long elsewhere and I had a 3yo too.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 20:08:00 pm
 I do have a sling and yes my baby is 14 pounds so it is quite heavy to carry around most of the day.  But I'm trying to get other things accomplished while he's napping like showering cooking and laundry and it's just easier if im not wearing baby obviously.  I'm just worried that he's getting used to the motion of the swing  being that all of a sudden he's giving me trouble in his bassinet at night.
Everyone is making me nervous that I'm letting him's nap in the swing but I'm  everyone is making me nervous that I'm letting him nap in the swing that I'm  going to regret it
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 25, 2016, 20:53:40 pm
Who is making you nervous about him napping in the swing honey?
I can't say I am really familiar with what the swing is but I assume it is a safe place and have heard other mums using a swing for naps with young babies.  What is it that worries you?

The sling question was really that I could see form your previous post that your 3yo was upset and needed you and that you were trying to get LO down in the crib for over an hour.  A sling doesn't solve all difficulties, I just thought that if you're able to have LO on you for maybe even one nap that you could spend some time with your 3yo, even sitting, you don't have to stand and carry baby in the sling and certainly not all day long.  Full on cooking is tricky with a baby stuck to your front but some mums are able to back carry, or even prepare some light lunches/snacks that are not too labour intensive.  I couldn't carry DS in a sling very much for various reasons and there's no way I could back carry it's beyond me...I'm just saying some people can, do and find it very comfortable and convenient.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 25, 2016, 21:53:40 pm
I think at this point I'm just more worried about night time and settling him in his bassinet.  I think at this point I'm just more worried about night time and settling him in his bassinet I'm thinking if he takes better naps during the day he might go to sleep better at night.  I'm thinking if he takes better naps during the day he might go to sleep better at night. I just read posts that say people then have to wean LOL off of Swing because they will only sleep in the swing swing
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 26, 2016, 18:34:26 pm
Hmmm...I suppose the way I think of it is that he will be moved from a bassinet to a crib at some point and that isn't hugely different from moving from a swing to a bassinet or swing to crib. It's true a change like that can cause disruption but there are unavoidable changes along the way regardless of how you start out, aren't there?
The general feel I get from long term BWers with more than 1 LO is to use sling, swing, stroller when needed especially so you can get out and about with the older child. I wouldn’t consider it better to have a young baby who will only sleep in the bassinet/crib any more than I would one who would only sleep being held tbh.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 26, 2016, 23:40:56 pm
I agree! At least the one good thing is that he goes into the swing awake and falls asleep on his own  or does he? Maybe not. Maybe it's the motion of the swing same idea why they say not to rock them or feed them to sleep though right. Im just trying to get through the day
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 27, 2016, 07:24:02 am
Mine had an Amby hammock which will bounce or swing. I still found I was able to teach independent sleep with it. I just reduced and reduced the rocking motion. The hammock can be rocked/bounced by LO when they wake by their own movement and kicking but overall they sleep motionless but with a little help of movement at the start of sleep time.
I moved mine into a cot-bed at 9 months.  It was a tricky few days doing the change (different room too) but done in 3 days.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 28, 2016, 02:40:02 am
Good to know thank you. Naps have been short lately even in the swing 40 mins today ugh. Naps are pretty non existent these days. Still can't figure out how a newborn can not nap?!!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 28, 2016, 16:53:51 pm
I don't want to focus too much on A times because I think at this young age it's pretty hard to get a steady routine anyway but what sort of time are you doing now and how old is LO now?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 28, 2016, 17:05:39 pm
He's 6 weeks and you are right he's too young to have a steady routine. We were doing around 1.5 hours A time but sometimes he's not falling asleep until close to the next feed or he's falling asleep at 1 hour 15 mins but for 30 mins and he's tired by the next feed and not eating well. He really only naps in the swing and that used to be easier now it's even taking him longer to fall asleep there or he's in and out and not a steady good nap. He doesn't sleep in the car just cried the whole ride and the stroller doesn't work for us because we don't have sidewalks on a busy road. The baby sling works sonetimes if I don't need to shower or cook. And I find bedtime to be tough when it's a day where he didn't nap well. His first stretch of sleep at night has been good about 6 hours. But that's after s really cranky crying baby all afternoon up to then "his witching hour" I suppose because he's exhausted. I'm still tying for naps in his bassinet or crib but he will fall asleep or stay there for about get mins and wake crying. He seems to not like being left alone. Where as the swing if he wakes I'm there and he just falls back.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 28, 2016, 18:20:09 pm
Gosh, pretty long on the A times. Have you tried just getting him down for a nap at 1hr?

I wonder if you are able to bring a bassinet into the family room where you are likely to spend most of the nap time (even if you are a bit in and out)?  It is safer to have LO sleep in the same room you are in and I have read before that LO knows if you are there even if they are asleep, I read something about the breathing and heart rate being in tune with Mummy's, no idea if there is any factual evidence for this though.  I did experience a similar sort of thing with my DS, he was a few months older though but we were struggling with short naps and one of the things I did in the end was stay in the room with him (I actually left him to go to sleep as he self settled easily at that time but not with me in the room, so I left the room for a few mins then went back in and lay on a bed by his baby hammock), it marked the end of our short naps and we both slept 2hrs. I will never know if it was coincidence of course.
Could you try a bassinet in the family room?  You could shush/pat or rock slightly with a firm hand over the transition as needed perhaps?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 29, 2016, 00:33:12 am
You know I did try that! I have an extra bassinet that I keep in the family room and I do stay right in that area but he does the same thing where he sleeps for ten mins then wakes. He's not responding to the shh pat yet but as soon as I pick him up he's out. I guess I can try to put him down earlier to see. He seems to sleep well by he third nap around 1-3 today then went down easy for nap at 5-6 I kind of stirred him as to protect bedtime. I'll see what tomorrow brings. Tonight at bedtime I fed him he fell asleep I put him down 5 mins later he was crying/whining went back up and did this 4 times before he finally passed out over an hour past when we started. I wonder if it's just the same thing knowing I'm not in the room.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 29, 2016, 07:09:28 am
He's not responding to the shh pat yet but as soon as I pick him up he's out.
When you do this, pick him up, do you elevate him to your shoulder or are you keeping him in a laying down position?  Is it the picking up or the body position that gets him back off?
I'm wondering if you can lift him only a little, few cm off the mattress, for a brief PU, then when you lower your hands initially keep them under him so he still feels you.  It might help towards learning to sleep on his mattress where he feels the weight of his own body.
also is the bassinet elevated at the head end to make him a little more upright in case he has any gas disturbance?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 29, 2016, 10:26:05 am
 I have done that but I'll give it another try !
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 29, 2016, 12:51:04 pm
This morning I did put him down in swing  after being awake for only one hour and he still asleep almost 2 hours later! Now my question is will he be ready for another nap one hour after he wakes such a long nap
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 29, 2016, 18:06:43 pm
Well that was a nice morning nap :)
I hope you managed to at least get yourself a cuppa :)

What did you do the rest of the day? I would have gone for another nap 1hr later.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 29, 2016, 23:32:42 pm
Well the next nap wasn't successful but he did sleep from 230-4 and then no nap again until bedtime. A newborn that does two naps a day?!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 31, 2016, 00:47:54 am
Another night of having to go back in to settle for 2 hours now. I can't figure this out. It's exhausting. His last nap was from like 2-4. Couldn't get a late afternoon nap as usual. Did feed a bit early at 630 and to bed. But it's not 845 and he's still calling me. Hell sleep for 10-20 mins and then is moving around a lot trying to get out of the swaddle. He's been up straight now for almost 5 hrs!!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 31, 2016, 08:17:53 am
Yes those evening naps are hard.  Are you trying to get him down at the 1hr mark for every nap?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 31, 2016, 10:34:35 am
Is he just ot by "bedtime" is that why it's so difficult to get him to sleep? The 1 hr mark doesn't work out at times because if he only did a short nap and he's ready to eat again or I found after s good nap 1.5/2 hours he want going down easy after 1 hr
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 31, 2016, 18:27:53 pm
Well if he is having such long A times before BT then I would be surprised if he is not OT but the only way to try to avoid that is to nap him earlier which you are trying to do.  It really seems he needs the shorter A times and gets a more restful nap from 1hr rather than letting it go over.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on August 31, 2016, 21:07:03 pm
 So if he wakes in the morning at 6:30 and goes down for a nap at 7:30 until 830 he will eat again at 9:30  so by then he's already been up for one hour.   That's why I can't quite figure that out. 
 I guess I'll do bedtime tonight after his 6 o'clock feeding which is fine but that's his longest stretch of sleep so the later to bed the better
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on August 31, 2016, 21:32:59 pm
OK. A couple of days ago he did a 2h nap in the morning after a 1hr A time, so he will have woken in time for the 3hr E and not needed to sleep gain right away. But if you have a day he only sleeps 1hr then I'd just feed early, at 2hr 30 rather than 3hr and get him down for the nap.

Hope you have a better day x
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 03, 2016, 23:31:42 pm
I'm trying to pay attention to his sleep patterns and today it was a constant 2 hour A time. He did a 2.5 hr nap first one and then 2 45 min naps and then that dreadful witching hour where he's up from 4 on no nap and miserable. And every night I put him down he calls me back up a few times I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: lolsyb1982 on September 04, 2016, 18:55:43 pm
A 2hr A time is still quite a bit for his age and he could be getting OT as the day goes on.
Those wakings shortly after bed are likely to be OT if he's had short naps in the afternoon and then has his witching hour and a long A to bed.
For that very last nap can you use a sling or something to see if he'll nod off? It's an awkward time of the day I know as usually teatime etc. I managed to learn to cook with dd2 in her sling!!
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 04, 2016, 20:34:32 pm
You're doing great to get that lovely long first nap - I hope ou are remembering to take some of that time for yourself (shower, cuppa, deep breathing, napping if you have care for the other LO).  I know that witching hour must be driving you mad but at least you can expect it some in some sense there is "consistency" in the day (even if not the sort you want).
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 04, 2016, 23:41:13 pm
We had another 2 hour wake time followed by a 2.5 hour nap first thing this morning. The other naps seem to be about 45 mins and again after 2 hr A time but he falls asleep with no problem. Although we are still getting those bedtime struggles.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 05, 2016, 17:38:53 pm
Looks like some sort of routine is gradually developing which is great news :)

How old now?
I wonder if you have a LO who likes these long A times as he seems to be doing a great morning nap.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 05, 2016, 23:32:21 pm
I think it's just that one day he doesn't nap much at all the next day he's tired lol.  Not much of a routine lol. Still having to go back a bunch of times once we put him down for the night too. That with s toddler who's all of a sudden having bedtime struggles is very hard.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 06, 2016, 11:46:26 am
I know it seems that a 2 hr a time is long for a seven week old but when I try to put him down after 1 hr or 1 hr 15 mins it's takes him a while to fall asleep and he won't necessarily sleep longer then I feel bad that he's awake that long in his swing :( lol just trying to get some good day sleep so I don't have such a bad witching hour and bedtime.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 06, 2016, 17:33:34 pm
Yes it does seem very long, but if you feel it works better for your LO then I'd follow your gut on it.
I suppose on the one hand he may like those long A times and may sleep better in the day with them, on the other hand long A times might be leading to OT by evening time and inability to settle, then the NWs due to evening OT.
I think you can really just do what you can at this age as it seems to take a while to get to know a new baby and learn their particular ways.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 06, 2016, 23:53:34 pm
We need some help. This was today's easy:
6:15 awake
E 645/7
A 615-745
S 745-1015
E 1020
A 1015-1145
S 1145-115
E 115
A 115-3 ( couldn't get down slept in carrier)
S 3-345
E 4
A 345-
Fed him early at 6 he fell asleep but then I had to resettle him until 745.
I just can't get a good nap in the afternoon. Any suggestions ?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 07, 2016, 17:47:02 pm
Wow! Two really brilliant naps!! :)

I know the evenings are still really hard for you.  I think you're doing everything you can really.
Did he wake on his own at 3.45 or did you wake him for his feed?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 07, 2016, 20:29:53 pm
He woke on his own.  Today he's only taking two 30 minute naps.  I can't get him down the matter what I've tried and he's miserable and so am I!  It's going to be a long night it's only 430   It's very hard to get through the rest of the night until bedtime
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 07, 2016, 21:28:52 pm
He Finally crashed in my arms at 5pm! How long do I let him sleep? He's due to eat around 630
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 07, 2016, 23:38:23 pm
Well tonight what ended up working best was feeding lo and putting him in bassinet drowsy but awake. He moved around for a little bit but fell asleep !! Yippee
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 08, 2016, 09:06:58 am
Ah... sorry about those poor naps, I know you're finding it hard. Hugs.
But hey - great he fell asleep!!!

This is going to sound crazy considering how long his A times already are, but maybe after two really good naps (looking at the last EASY your posted where he CN at 3pm) he's actually good to go for a longer A?  I can hardly believe I'm thinking this but 2hrs?  It may mess up your E times a bit so perhaps do a top up feed before the nap if he's interested?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 08, 2016, 10:53:54 am
He is a big baby. Over 14 lbs not even 2 months yet and he takes about 5-6 oz a feed. Could that possibly make a difference in how long his A times are? So I should try to put down for nap every 2 hours? Can't hurt to try. Although mornings he usually goes down at 1.5 hrs. Tiday is the first morning he actually feel back to sleep after his 5 am feed and is still asleep at 7 am!  At night he's been wrong around 6/630 and not waking to eat until 130/230 and then again around 5 am.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 08, 2016, 12:43:10 pm
No, I wouldn't do 2hrs for all A times. Those morning A times seem to work well most days at 1hr 30 so I'd stick with that and if you get 2 good naps (1hr 30 or more, some of his long naps are up to 2hr 30) then for the third A time try 2hrs.
As he isn't sleeping well most evenings anyway I don't think it can do any harm to try. It's pretty out the box but all LOs are individual aren't they.
If you get shorter naps for those first two then I'd probably aim for 1hr 30 instead.

Going back to sleep this morning is great :)
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 08, 2016, 20:13:34 pm
Ok this morning we did 1.5 A time got a 1 hr nap then 2 hr A time got a 35- 40 min nap then a 2 hr A time and he's still sleeping 2 hrs 15 mins later. So I guess it's just a crap shoot. Maybe the rest of the afternoon will be better mood wise and I'll do the usual 630 feed bedtime which is another 2 hr A time before bed.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 10, 2016, 01:22:01 am
My question is .. Am I supposed to be getting some kind of nap routine down or is it too soon? Lo is only 7 weeks but naps are awful. Is the ideal schedule to get an 1.5 hr nap every 1.5 hours? We definitely aren't getting that. As a matter of fact today he only took a few naps of 15-30 mins long!! And was up since 5:15 to feed! It's awful. He didn't seem very hungry for a few of the feeds nor did he seem tired until he started crying for most of the day. I tired everything. The swing bassinet the car nothing worked. I fed him at 6 and he went straight to bed. No call backs.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 10, 2016, 18:13:17 pm
Honestly I don't think there are many who have an established routine this young. I know Tracy starts EASY from day 1 but it really does take time to establish a consistent routine.  I think that's why many people choose to use slings or strollers for the first few months.
I started EASY at 4-5 weeks (but keep in mind I had no older child to care for and could spend a long time helping DS to sleep), I would say my LO was self settling around 8 wks but that definitely doesn't mean we had equal A times and equal length long naps across the day.  At that point I was feeding at 3hrs but for sleeps I was following cues and I think some were long and some short, sometimes when he was supposed to be asleep he woke and lay quietly in his travel cot just looking around, turning his head if I moved or walked past, turning his head towards sounds etc, and he could lay like that for ages and ages and eventually fall asleep again.  We did not have the sort of 1.5hr A and 1.5hr naps you are asking about.

Despite it not being a 'perfect' routine in terms of every nap a long one, your day with eht 40 min nap and 2hr 15min+ nap actually sounds quite promising even if only in terms of ability to transition from cycle to cycle.  it's still early days.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 10, 2016, 22:11:22 pm
Thank you for that info :) but now we've had 2-3 days in a row with barely any naps. 15-20 mins here and there. Today he did an hour in the morning and maybe 20 mins in my husbands arms around 430! So he was pretty much awaje from 12-430! He did fall asleep a few times and I would try to put him down and he would wake 5 mins later. Tonight I brought him up at 545 got him ready for bed fed him a little bit again (2hrs after last feed) and put him in bassinet for bed. He's moving around a bit but hopefully will knock out.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 11, 2016, 17:53:37 pm
Sounds like he feels as though he's had a full nap when he's only had a few mins, putting him down is disturbing him because he's in light sleep. Really that would be my reason for getting him down before he nods off so that you avoid the disturbance (or to decide to hold throughout).
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 12, 2016, 02:47:26 am
I've tried that but I really feel like im missing the cues. Sometimes when he looks sleepy I put him down and it takes him 30 mins to fall asleep! Then he sleeps for 30 mins.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 12, 2016, 17:40:37 pm
You can only do what you can do though hey?  You can't force him to sleep.
hugs, I know you'd like a more predictable routine. I'm sure it will come in time.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 13, 2016, 14:27:24 pm
Now with my 3 year old at school 3 days a week im hoping for some better naps with a quiet house :(
I'm thinking of this as an easy:
Wake him at 6
Feed 630
Nap 730-830/45
Wake him if still sleeping put into car by 845 to bring big guy to school
Feed 930
Nap 10-12 hopefully get a long nap here
Back in car by 1215 to go to school where I can walk with him in stroller until pick up at 1pm
Get back home by 115 to feed
130 feed
2 nap until he wakes
430 feed
Nap 5-6
7 feed and to bed

I'm not sure if he will go 4 hrs in between feeds though from 930-130 unless I feed him at 12 then leave for school which might not leave me evough time for the walk before 1pm pick up
Any suggestions on schedule?
Today he was up at 630 at around 7/730 he's not usually ready to eat as soon as he gets up. Then he went down for nap at 745 until 830 I got him into car by 845 dropped of my son at school for 9 came back home fed at 10 but he fell asleep during feeding I put him down for nap but now he's awake in swing. He does this all the time and then it takes him a while to actually fall asleep. And I'll need to leave again to get my son by 1245. Which means no time to walk in stroller.
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 13, 2016, 17:50:02 pm
The nap routine you've roughly planned out looks well worth a try, yes.
I agree thought that it is a very long time to wait for food from 9.30 to 1.15pm. Do you really need to walk with the stroller then? Could you feed at home at 12/12.15 and still make it in time for school pick up at 1pm?  Or could you set off for school and find a suitable place to feed (or feed in the car on your lap once you're parked up?).  Maybe you could have a walk after school pick up and head home in time for nap or if your older one likes to go to the play park maybe let LO2 sleep in the stroller (walking and whilst LO1 is having a play?)?
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 13, 2016, 21:49:12 pm
Nah I'm looking to walk alone for exercise plus big boy is too tired after school to go to playground.
I might just have to walk in the morning after drop off. Because i don't want to wake him early from his good long nap from 1030-1230.
So maybe I'll do this:

Wake at 630 am
7 feed (he usually can wait to eat in morning )
745/8-845 nap (is a 45 min nap restorative ?)
Walk from 915-945 home for 10 am feeding
10 feed
1015/30 nap-1230
Into car for 1245 for Pick up from school
115 feed
2-3 nap
4 pm feed
430/5 nap-6 this nap is hard sometimes I can get 30 mins in my arms otherwise he just cries all night until bed)
7 feed if he naps if not I usually feed at 6 and right down for the night
715 Bed
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 14, 2016, 18:22:43 pm
is a 45 min nap restorative ?
No it's classed as a CN, not restorative. But the thing is many parents need to go with a CN around school run times anyway.
My DS had a long time where I could only give him one proper long nap at home and the other naps were in the car, for a phase it was a good nap in the car (and me stuck there while he slept!) but later on we reduced to CN on the way out and CN on the way back.  We can only organise what we can organise can't we?  We can't make absolutely everything around one family member so it's a balance of everyone's needs.

The plan looks fine as something to try out :)
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: Chloevalentine on September 14, 2016, 23:28:06 pm
Any suggestions on how to extend night time a bit. He napped from 230-4 which was great but then he gets tired again by 530 but can't seem to take a cn so every night we end up just going up for feed and bed at 6. My poor husband doesn't get to see him all week :(
Title: Re: 4 weeks old trying to start routine
Post by: creations on September 15, 2016, 09:35:36 am
Sorry no.
The only thing I can think is to get him up for DH to see him and then put him back to bed - not sure I'd do that personally though.