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SLEEP => General Sleep Issues => Topic started by: Donnarobbo88 on August 18, 2016, 05:10:09 am
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Hi all I'm new here been following for a while and would really like to get my baby on this routine
He's 7 months and waking at like 5am - 5.30am he's always gone to bed at 6pm notbing changed he just started waking up earlier and earlier my last baby was the same I must be doing something wrong
He gets up and is tired Again about a hour or so later which ino isn't good
He normally cat naps in the day 45 mins max he did start sleeping good naps 1.5 hours but didn't last
He has solids three times a day altho depends on how he's feeling to how much he eats!
This was yday
5.30am - got up
6am - 1oz (he had a bottle at 4.30ish)
7am - lay in cot picked up once moaned till 7.14
8am - woke up (45)
8.30am - wetabix
9.55am - lay in cot cuddles once moaned til 10.10
10.45am - woke up (35)
10.50am - 4oz
12.20pm - scrambled egg and toast banana and yoghurt
12.50pm - lay in cot had to change poo bum
12.55pm - lay down again 1ish settled 1.35am - woke up (35)
2.30pm - 7oz
3.15pm - lay in cot moaned 20 mins
4.15pm - woke up (40)
4.30pm - spag Bol & banana custard
6pm - oat bath
6.30pm - 9oz
He normally only is awake 2 hours before he's tired again
I feel like all I do is put him down for a nap
Some days he goes straight to sleep other times he cries and I have to go in cuddle him then put him back down
Ino I make mistakes I want to fix them
I can't keep getting up at 5 it's killing me I have two other boys 4&2 and it's making my days so long and miserable any advice plz girls X
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I should I I put him to bed at 6.30 last night that's why he had that last nap to try make him go longer but he woke at same time so he's had even less sleep
Anyone no how long should he be awake before bed ?
I do ideally want him in bed between 6/6.30 as my other two go at 6.30 / 7.30 and I like to relax of a evening as it's hard work with thre young boys all day but I will put bed later if will help x
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Hi there and welcome, I've added a link which is handy to keep for reference Average A times- BOOKMARK ME!
Looking at your day I think you need to push the A time, the first nap your trying is 7am from 5.30 WU which is way too short A time for his age so your getting a short nap at this age your A time would be around 3/3.15 hours. Then after WU at 8am your trying a nap at 1 hours 55 min later which again results in short nap as not enough A time...
I'd say if WU is 5.30 then first nap no sooner than 8.30, if he wakes at 30/35 mins try to resettle him if he naps over an 1.5 hours then make next A time 3 hours min, if he does a short nap then only knock 15/20 mins off A time.
At this age really he should be having 2x 1.5 hour ish naps so you need to push his A time to get a more balanced day. 6/6.30 BT will prob result in 5.30 WU as that's a good 11 hours worth of night sleep.
Naps 30 mins are generally OT
35-45 mins UT
But that's only general and doesn't always apply.
Hope that makes sense :)
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Thank you for the advice I read some he wake time should only be two hOurs and he always seemed tired after two but I will defo move it up
Well this morning he was acting. Tired after a hour I kept him up as long as possible and finally lay him down just over two hours he moaned for a few seconds and went straight to sleep and slept for 1 & half hours I enjoyed my nap
So we got up and he's had his breakfast and I'm going to try and keep him up now for 3 hours I'll see how he goes I'm defo gradually going to do that I've always thought he should be awake longer as he's bigger it's tiring constantly needing to put him for naps
So he got up at 8.55 which would make his next nap due at 12ish but that's lunch time for us so what should I do there I don't no if he will be to tired for lunch but will miss it if he sleeps a long time X
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He might not manage a full 3 hours straightaway but some can handle a big jump.
I often do a split lunch so give him some early then finish it after nap x
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Thank you yeh I was thinking a big jump maybe to much but I'll see how e goes and what he can handle do u no how long he should be awake from his last nap to bed is it still around 3ish so he should be awake by half 3 of i want him in bed for half 6 X
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If he's awake from last nap at 3ish then BT would be 6 unless you popped 10 min CN in to push it to say 7?
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Thank you :) his last nap he lasted just over 2 & half hours and then went down he only napped 40 mins but think it was the kids playing out the back that disturbed him only took a few mins for him to settle also that was 11.35 - 12.20 he's coming up for 2 & half hours now so is going to need another nap X
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Yes he will do but that's good progress :)
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He's done fantastic day so proud of him
He was sleepy after two hours but not badly and was fine to be kept awake he went down for that last night fine didn't scream or cry ha settled perfectly all day every nap he had 45 mins and I woke him because it was 4 and ino he needed to be in bed
So he woke at 4 and was in bed for 6.30 so two and half hours again I will keep pushing tho till be at the three hours it will make life so much easier being able to have a three hour awake time X thanks for all your help X
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2.30am - 4oz (8hours)
5.20am - got up
6.20am - 4oz
7.25am - put in cot
8.55am - awake (1.5hours)
9.10am - wetabix
10.40am - 4oz
11.35am - put in cot moaned 5mins
12.20pm - woke up (40)
12.35am - lunch &a yoghurt
2.35pm -7oz
3pm - lay in cot straight sleep after 5min
3.50pm - had 2 wake him up (45)
4.30pm - half jar & yog
6pm - oat bath
6.30pm - 7oz & down for bed
Today's routine X
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The more you push you should find the naps extend too, sounds like a good day :)
I'd keep extending the first A time initially so your getting a better first nap. So if he's up at 5.20 first nap no sooner than 8.20
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Thank you I think your defo right as today he went down for his nap a little after two hours and he was awake after 40 mins I thought it would be OK as he went down after the same time yday and slept the 1.5 hours but obv not which has threw my day now
So because he's had a short nap you said I should only shorten his awake time by a little bit ? He woke up at 8.25 I left him 10 mins to see if e would re settle but he didn't what time would the next nap he was going 2.5 hours between naps after the first one yday
I'll be glad to get to the 3 hour awake time X
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So 40 min would indicate UT, so I'd stick to 2.5 hours until next nap unless he's totally getting past it, don't forget at this age yawning, eye rubbing isn't always tired it can be bored, thirsty. So if you get to 2 hours try changing activity or to extend the A time do low key stuff like a walk round the house, garden then read a book etc just to keep them going but not massively stimulated. If that makes sense.
My 6.5 month had 3 hour 10 min A time this morning so you should be heading closer to 3 hours soon, although of course they all differ. Generally if you are getting less than 1.5 hours it's UT.x
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Thank you really appreciate the help
Well he went down at 11am for his nap after awake time of 2 hours 40 mins and he's still sleeping now :) X
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Your welcome it's good to bounce ideas off others. Hope the nap carries on x
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It all went to pot :(
We went to town I thought I'd be home in time for his bottle and last cat nap I wasn't he missed his bottle at 2.30pm luckily he was fine he isn't fussed on this bottle really anyway but was due down for a nap at half 3 he fell asleep in his pram at 3.15 for like 10 mins because I had to get him out to get in a taxi to go home
So he was in bed for 6pm really tired
He woke up at 5am after one night feed which was earlier than has been I tried to get him back down at 5 as I could tell he was tired but he was grunting and making loads of noise and I didn't want him waking his brother
So now do I still keep him awake for 2&1/2 hours before bed even tho I think he's still tired ?
I hope e has a good nap because I'm so tired X
We was doing so well with the new routine wish I hadn't of gone to town X
When the kids go back to school where going to be doing school runs to and ino that first nap will be due when I'm on the school run so I won't be home to put him in his cot.
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Oh Hun don't worry u have to live life and it's just a blip you can't stay home forever, like today I'm letting mine have a long first nap (well hopefully) then we have stuff to do so he will have to CN.
If it's 5am I try and apop back to sleep if he won't go off I stay in his room in the dark, sometimes feed and put back to bed but just depends on him.
If he's been up since 5 I'd do nap at 8 and hope for 2 long naps and a CN.
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Thanks Hun well I hoped he would go back of but with having my 4 year old in his room I had to get up which I hate doing lol
But he was falling asleep on me at 7am so I took him to bed and he only woke up at 8.40am so he had 1 hour 40 mins which I'm proud with hopefully get back to the 2 & half hour wake time now he's has that good nap and gradually get to the three hour wake time I can't believe the good length naps he's having after so long of cat naps he's my third baby you would think I would know this stuff lol X
Thanks again X
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I thought I'd know more second time round but I don't. Good going for first nap x
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Today's been a disaster Alredi lol
Here's yesterday's routine
12am - screaming 5oz (6hours)
4.50am - 4oz wuldnt go bk
5.10am - got up poo
6.30am - 4oz
2 hours awake time
6.55am - lay in cot straight of
8.35am - woke up (1hour 40)
9am - wetabix
10.30am - 6oz
2 hours 35 mins awake time
11.10am - lay in cot straight of
11.50am - woke up (40mins)
12.15pm - cheese/toast yog
2.10pm - 6.5oz
2 hours 45 mins awake time
2.35pm - nap car seat Asda
5pm - spag Bol yog
6.26pm - 7oz
11.15pm - woke crying (5hours) 5oz
He doesn't normally wake at that time don't no why he did
He slept til 5.15am I tried to get him of but he didn't go
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5.15am - got up
6.05am - 3oz 6.45am - 2oz
2 hours awake time
7.15am - lay in cot moaned 5
7.53ish. - woke up 30/35mins
8.30am - banana wetabix
I tried giving him his bottle at 6 as I fort he was hungry from not having one for a good while but as you can see he didn't want it
He was tired after about a hour I kept him up his first wake time has been 2 hours still and has been working as he's been napping fine but not today he moaned for 5 mins wen he went down
Napped for 30/35 mins don't reli no because I'm unsure wen he actually went to sleep but surely couldn't be over tired he was only up 2 hours
He's fussy today tho I don't no if he's Coming down with something I hope we can get back on track x
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I don't no what's wrong wv him at all! He went down after 2 hours 35 mins has napped half hour is stil tired and crying no way will he last from now until 6.30 and he's Alredi had 3 naps X
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Oh hugs rough day, honestly I think you need to push that first A time and decide if the 5am WU is the start of your day or WU after that is the start?
The last nap listed of the day was the longest A time on a short 40 min nap at 11.10am so I'd say the 30 min was OT.
If it was me I'd of done first nap from 8.35 WU as 2.45A as he'd been back to sleep for a good while as the next nap was UT.
On your second set of times for EAS with a 5.15 WU I'd push first A to 2.45 and not nap until 8am, with putting him down 2 hours from WU it's just an extension of night sleep as such especially if you can't apop him back to sleep I'd bite the bullet and start day then and work on pushing naps out.
How's the day gone?x
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Today was awful lol I don't no what was wrong with he cried of off from about 3pm
Wouldn't settle to sleep or anything I really do want to be starting my day at 5am it's horrible but ino hopefully won't last forever my last son was the same I totally get that he gets a good sleep as he's in bed early but he was always going at this time and sleeping later he did managed to get to 5.45am which I can cope more with when we changed bedtime from 6 till 6.30 we will just have to see how it goes
We have moved him from his brothers room and he's now in on his own so hopefully can fuss a little more and try get him to settle back maybe if a morning I doubt it tho lol
This is how today went
5.15am - got up
6.05am - 3oz 6.45am - 2oz
2 hours awake time
7.15am - lay in cot moaned 5
7.55am. - woke up 30/35mins
8.30am - banana wetabix
10am - 6.5oz
2 & Half hours awake time
10.23am - lay in cot straight of
11.05am - woke up (40 mins)
12pm - dinner & fruit pot
2 hour & 35 mins awake time
1.40pm - put in cot moaned 5/10 mins
2.20pm - woke up (30mins)
3pm - 6.5oz
4.30pm - calpol
Bath
5.50pm - 7.5oz & bed !
I tried and tried to get him to go back of and he wouldn't have it I gave him calpol as I just couldn't settle him and thinking maybe his gums I just don't no
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Morning last night he woke twice Aswell I don't no if it was the room Change or the fact next door was being loud I think I'm going to have to change him back in to his brothers room next door son is in the room next to the one he is in now I could hear him talking at gone 11 and there dogs bark every time someone knocks the front door I'm not happy
I don't want to keep changing him back and forward ino that won't settle him I really don't no what to do for the best 😩 Lol
Any one so he was in bed for 5.50pm I no was really early but he was so tired he hadn't napped since like 2ish he woke at 10.45 which he never wakes that early then 3.30am I fed him he went back down he then woke at 5 but he was still tired I gave him a cuddle he fell back to sleep but cried as soon as he went down I brought him in with me which I never ever do and I'm kinda regretting now but we were both still tired and I thought If he's still tired when we get up we won't be able to stretch his awake til
So we both got up at 6 I don't no when to put him for his first nap
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Hi sorry it's been hard, I'd do first nap near to 9am with 6am wake x
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Thank you I'm going to try that see how it goes :)
I feed him down stairs in the day and he goes into his cot awake but for bed I feed him in his room and he goes down mostly asleep he isn't fully asleep and he isn't a bad sleeper normally do u think I shouldn't be doing that and should I just get up at 5am if he won't go to sleep in his cot I no I shouldn't really bring him in my bed should I X
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It's 8.50 and he's stil awake and fine :)
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I put him down at 9 he moaned and babbled away for nearly 10 mins and went to sleep he's woken up at 9.40 so about 30 mins how can he be over tired he was fine didn't seem over tired to me I don't no what's going on lol x
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Oh bless you did he rock back off?
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Nope lol he's not himself at all he's normally so happy he just keeps crying I'm taking him Drs later to get him checked if he's fine it must be he's teething but can't see anything teeth or anything X he napped in his pram wen went out but not for long X
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Sounds off colour, think mine coming out in sympathy as we've had a weird day so far. Hope he's ok x
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Thanks Hun bless them it's horrible when there not well.
Hopefully he will be back to himself in a. Few days and can get back on track X
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Keep us posted :) x
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I took him to the Drs his temp was 37.2 they checked his ears was fine and his chest was clear they said he's finest must be his teeth I think but his gums don't look sore really
He's routine has gone to pot today he's in bed now but had two naps in his pram and two in cot only wasn't for long tho .
Hoping he wakes happier Tomoz and gets a good sleep tonight X
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Teeth have a lot to answer for, think we've pretty much mirrored your day with an added BT meltdown.x
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Oh no bless them it's tough when you don't no what's wrong with them isn't it
What time does ur little one go to bed ?
I have three boys
CJ 4 (February 12) Chad 2 (March 14 ) and Cruz is 7 months (Jan 16) xx
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I'm guessing teeth. DS1 is 4 (may) DS2 is 7 months next week (Jan)
DS2 goes around 6.30/7 depends on naps and A time really.
How was your night?
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Aww you have two boys similar age gaps to me :)
It was better
He went to bed at 6.30 and woke up at 2.15am had a bottle and back down I heard him babbling awake at 4.40 and thought oh no hope he's not up for the day but he went back to sleep I didn't need to go in and he was up for the day at 5.40am
He's not drinking much of his bottles tho so must be his gums are sore bless him
I'm Hoping he's happier today does ur little one sleep through? X
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Good night then really, how's naps today been?
He goes until 4am some nights then back down till 6.30am others it's 11pm then 5.30 WU x
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Tuesday 23rd August 💙
2.15am - 5oz (almost 8 hours) cal
4.35am - stiring didn't go in
5.40am - woke up
6.20am - 3oz
2 hours 10 mins awake time
7.50am - lay in cot had to go in once 8.03ish - settled
8.38am - woke up (35)
8.50am - wetabix
10.30am - 3.5oz
2 & half hour awake time
11.10pm - put in cot straight of
12.50 - woke up ( 1hour 40 )
1pm - dinner yog
3pm - 3oz
3.5 hour awake time
4.20pm - nap pram
4.50pm - woke up (30mins)
5pm - mash and beans
6.30pm - 8.5oz & bed
That's been his routine today yeh was a good night really some nights he doesn't wake till 4am either some nights can wake twice other times once he's slept thru 2/3 times hasnt for a while tho.
He's of his milk don't no why he's only drunk 3oz each bottle today until this bed one
His last nap was later than it should of been we was out and e didn't nap till we got back and then wouldn't go in cot so he had it in his pram got disturbed by his brother don't really like him napping so late anyway because of bed but he normally stil goes down again I can hear him having a little moan now hope he settles down I want to relax now ds2 is in bed and Cruz just my 4 year old now he goes at 7.30 lol X
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I love my evenings I don't like either of mine late to bed lol.
Looks like day wasn't too bad either x
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And me I love sitting and chilling lol yeh he's been happier today bless him hopefully we're getting there :) X
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He woke once in the night and was up at 5.15am that's the thing I really want to change but ino he gets a lot of sleep but I see all the routines saying 7-7 should be sleep well if that's the case why can't Cruz sleep 6-6 or 6.30 - 6.30 lol
I haven't really seen much change since I changed bed time from 6 till 6.30 I though he would have a extra half hour in bed In morning but nope he does
I'm happy to get up at 6/6.30 would obv prefer to get up later lol but i don't want him in bed really late what time would you say bedtime should be to get up at those times . I may Aswell just keep bedtime at 6 because we're up at same time and he's having less sleep X
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I'd love 7-7 but never happened in this house. I think if you keep pushing that first A a bit you'll prob see a later WU as his day will just become naturally later if that makes sense x
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Lol defo thanks Hun :) I will keep at it
He had a hour and 10 mins this morning so I got back in bed lol X
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Lol why not! Keep us updated x
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He's had another hour and 10 mins will just need a cat nap later now hopefully once we get the awake time even longer he won't need that cat nap :) X
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Good going, maybe add another 5/10 mins on tomor see what happens x
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Things seemed to have slip back to the short awake times again plus I'm super tired today as he woke in the night and wouldn't go back of for over a hour .
We got up at 5.40am
This is ydays routine
Saturday 27th August 💙
1.30am - 4oz (7.5hours)
4.35am - 4oz bk of on off
6am - awake
7.30am - wetabix
2hours 15 mins awake time
8.15am - lay in cot did poop had to change him
8.35am - finally settled
9.10am - woke up (35 mins)
10am - 4oz
2hour 20mins awake time
11.30am - lay in cot straight of
12.15pm - woke up (45 mins)
12.30pm - dinner yog
2.05pm - 6oz drained
2hour 5 mins awake time
2.20pm - lay in cot straight down
3.05pm - woke up (45)
4pm - tea
5.50pm - 6oz & bed
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Ino the problem is the awake times but it's hard to stretch them out when he's so tired and miserable X
Like now it's 7.25am and he's Alredi rubbing his eyes and Moaning
He was awake from 1am - 2am so lost a hours sleep in the night but surely he can't be tired so soon after waking up X
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Hi there it is I'm sure related to A time, honestly I'd just keep pushing or your going to be stuck with a short nap cycle.
My ds2 yawns and eye runs but tired signs aren't as reliable at this age, sometimes we just change an activity or give him a drink of water, have a walk round the house.x
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Hi there
Just stopped by to offer some support.
Often LOs get into the habit of napping earlier than their ideal time, this can be really confusing for mums because LO looks so tired. The thing is thought hat with a short A time, then a short nap, your LO is likely to continue to look pretty tired and be a bit cranky because his naps are not long enough to be restorative and for him to feel fully refreshed.
We often advise to increase A times in increments to avoid some OT naps however if you go too slowly on these what happens is it takes several weeks and by then your LO is 2 or 3 weeks older and ready for an even longer A time...so you can end up chasing those A times and not seeing results. I would think by now you are quite tired and frustrated and want to just get a move on with this routine.
There is an option to go to some set times for a few days to just get that routine in place. Tracy did similar when she was putting babies onto a new routine and there are examples in the BW books of this. With the set times you would put LO down for a nap at the next set time regardless of how long or short his previous nap was. Once the routine is in place you can again become a little more flexible to respond to LOs needs on certain days (ie reduce A times a little after increased level of stimulation). If you choose to go this method to put a routine in place you would start the day at a time you want it to begin, I notice at the beginning of the thread you said Wu had become earlier which was not what you hoped for. So you could start the day at 6 which is seems to be now, or you could begin the day at 7am and go from there.
What do you think?
The other option is to base the day on whenever LO wakes up (whether 5.30 or 6am) for now and to time naps on A times. If you choose this option I suggest you aim for a 3hr 15 min A time and certainly do not put baby down to nap any less than 3hrs, not even a minute. Many 7 month olds are doing over 3hr 15...and in just a couple of weeks your LO will be 8 months when many are doing 3.5 or even 4hrs A time. If you don't move on these A time increases in a timely manner I'm afraid you will continue to play catch up on them, Lo will continue to short nap from being UT and continue to look tired and miserable.
What do you think?
The other thing I notice is that BT is quite early. Although the 6pm ish BT was working for you for a while it seems less helpful just now. If your LO can do a 12 hr night that's great but you might prefer it to be 7 - 7 rather than 6 - 6. Sometimes LOs can't do a full 12hr night so the BT and WU need to take this into account.
We can help with these options if you like. Let us know what you think.
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Thank you for the advice :) your right and I am tired and frustrated I want him to be able to go longer between naps it will make life so much easier .
The thing with keeping him in bed in a morning is he shares a room with my 4 year old son we did swap him and put him in his own room and my 2 year old in with the 4 year old but it wasn't working well so for now Cruz is in with my eldest. So I can't really leave him to long of a morning as he will wake him up.
Bedtime is early but it kind of works for us after long days I like my evening to myself but then also hate getting up at 5am lol
6am wake up I can cope with id be up at 7 latest for school runs anyway I would like a 6.30am wake time really but I no I can't have everything
My other two go bed at 6.30 & 7.30 so I have to fit bedtime for Cruz in there
So as of tomorrow he is being kept awake at least 3 hours do I just deal with over tired naps ?
He had 40 mins nap this morning shall I keep him up 3 hours regardless of nap times?
Also he is still having 4 bottles in the day and waking once in night for one
My hv said he should have 3 bottles a day and with good times do u give food straight after bottles or in between ? X
Also for his naps I put him down wide awake at bedtime we do his last bottle in the bedroom he drinks and is normally pretty asleep when I put him down not fully as he still turns over gets comfy etc and sometimes here him having a little moan do u think this is ok to do ? I did the same with Chad x
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Going by what you've said I'd suggest the following
(minimum of 3hr 15 A time after a nap of more than 40 mins and minimum of 3hrs after a 40 min nap):
WU 6.30
(A time minimum 3hr 15, and get as close to 9.45am as you can for nap even if he wakes earlier than 6.30am)
nap 9.45 - 11.15
nap 2.30 - 4.00
BT 7pm
do I just deal with over tired naps ?
If he wakes with OT naps of say 20 mins use shush/pat or adapted to get him back to sleep and continue to try for 40 mins. If he wakes again try again to resettle. Things can get messy during routine set up but if you grit your teeth the routine will settle more quickly.
He had 40 mins nap this morning shall I keep him up 3 hours regardless of nap times?
At least. In the BW books Tracy kept babies up way way longer than their A time to get them settled onto a suitable routine. We often go slowly on the forums but as you've discovered if you go too slowly you never get to the longer A time and longer nap.
You can use the times above as "set" times for a few days which will get the routine established far more quickly. This might mean much longer than 3hr A time but that's what Tracy did. The tiredness, even over tiredness can help to establish the routine.
Also he is still having 4 bottles in the day and waking once in night for one
My hv said he should have 3 bottles a day and with good times do u give food straight after bottles or in between ?
I would not reduce day time bottles yet. IMO 4 bottles per day is totally normal at this age. Milk is still his primary food. If anything you might consider a NF wean if you feel ready to tackle this (personally I'd wait a bit as you want to get the routine in place and it is quite a lot to take on more tasks just now but it is your choice). In any case I would drop night feeds before reducing any day feeds.
Solids come roughly 1hr after milk feeds. At this age I'd offer 2 - 3 solids meals.
Here's a sample routine based on the above time with the E times added:
WU 6.30
E 6.30
E 7.30 solids
nap 9.45 - 11.15
E 11.15
E 12.15 solids
nap 2.30 - 4.00
E 4
E 5 solids if you are doing 3 meals
E 6.30 BT milk
BT 7pm
NF until ready to wean
we do his last bottle in the bedroom he drinks and is normally pretty asleep when I put him down not fully as he still turns over gets comfy etc and sometimes here him having a little moan do u think this is ok to do ?
Sounds fine :)
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Thank you so much well I've just put him down for his nap and he had been awake 3 hours he was a bit grumpy but I just took him into the garden for 5 mins and changed activities :) here's hoping he manages to have a good nap now he only 40 mins this morning X
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So he's woke up after 45 minutes crying so ino he's still tired as normally he would wake up happy X
I've gone in and shushed patted him he's moaning on off now if he doesn't go back to sleep but stays in cot a while longer do I count the wake up time from when he actually woke up or from when I took him out the cot and how long do I leave him to try and go back to sleep? Is 45 minutes good enough for a nap ? I see everyone says 1.5 hours for naps he has sometimes done that long but normally is 45 mins max x
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Yay he went back of for nearly a hour he had a hour and 40 mins in total x
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So he obv couldn't go from his last nap till bed so I figured he would have to have a cat nap he's had 30 mins how long shud a cat nap be and is ok to wake them I'm going to have to do his tea and be tired ready for bed etc obv I'm hoping the cat nap will drop once his days are sorted with the long awake time and long naps :) x
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I would just wing it the rest of today and start with that longer A time tomorrow morning, take WU time from 6.30am even if he wakes earlier and do the 'set' nap 3hr 15 min after WU.
Just do what you did today in terms of resettling if and when needed and try not to panic :)
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Thank you Hun :) if I wanted bedtime to be 6.30pm instead of 7 could I take the wake time from 6am I stead of 6.30 and shift everything half hour earlier X
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Yes you can do that, shift everything the 30 mins from the example I gave.
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Sounds like you had a good nap, creations has put everything beautifully and I'd second the keeping of 4 feeds in the day. We still have 4 day and often 1 at night now and DS2 is on 3 meals a day.
Keep plugging with those A times and you'll get there. xx
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Thanks girls well we had a good night really he said woke at like 4.45 I fed him and he went back to sleep he woke at 6.15 and I'm sure that was only because his brother got up for the toilet :) we got up and I gave him a bottle at 6.30am altho he only drunk 1oz he's not really drinking his bottles past few days don't no why. Let's see what today brings X
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He's probably ready to drop NF if it's affecting morning bottle x
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He's probably ready to drop NF if it's affecting morning bottle x
Yes, good point.
I think I said I wouldn't tackle both the routine and the night feed at the same time but you could begin a gentle wean on that night feed, just reduce by 1 oz and take a bottle of water up with you. If he drains the milk and fusses for more offer the water. Do this for a couple of nights then drop 1 more oz. If he does not drain the bottle note how much he took and make that the amount your offer the following night, then next night reduce again. The NF will be gone in about 7-10 days this way..
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We've had a good morning he was awake three hours I put him down for his nap ad he slept 1 hour 25 mins :) he's not drinking tho don't no why he got up and only had 3oz and that was a push I will defo try what u suggested with the night feed
It's coming up for three hours now he's tired and grumpy trying to keep him awake and entertained tho . His nap is due at half 1 and his bottle at half 2 do I just give it when he wakes up even if it's late X
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Good nap :) yes I just do bottle when DS2 wakes and then do one at BT regardless of time in between, like today he's only gone to sleep at 2 and feed due 3 ish but he's had solids lunch so this next bottle is sometimes smaller but he will still have BT one around 6.30 x
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Thanks Hun well he's been napping a hour now I heard him stir but went quiet again :)
I'm really impressed . I just hope he still sleeps tonight after having what 3 hours worth of naps today saying that he Probally had around that normally just broken down in to 3-4 naps he obv isn't going to need a cat nap today either which is great I hope he keeps this up :) X
I bet it will all get messed up once the school runs start again lol X
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3 hours in the day and 11 ish at night is normal at this age, often they sleep better x
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Sounds like a good day.
Tomorrow I really suggest you do the full 3hr 15 mins as advised previously in the example routine. 3hr A time is suitable for a 6 month old, your LO is on his way to 8 months old so there are two things here. 1. You might be seeing a longer nap now but he is going to adjust to this new time quickly and suddenly it will not be long enough again, 2. after a 1.5hr nap he really needs 3hr 15 (if not longer) I'd like you to reduce to 3hrs only if you get a very short 40 min nap and can't resettle at all, 3. If you do not increase the A time to spread his awake time across the day you can end up with too long an A time before bed time or else having to give BT too early so that the A doesn't go too long, if the A to BT is too long he may have OT NWs or EW, if you do an earlier BT to keep the A reasonable and he manages a full night but can only sleep 11 hrs over night the Wu time will get too early which will then disturb the next days routine.
I may sound a bit pushy here, it's because I want to see your routine continue to improve and avoid EW, NWs and short naps.
Have another look at the routine on the previous page (change by the half hour if you have decided to do so) and really try to stick with that routine now :)
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Thank you I will defo do the 3 hours 15 tomorrow I didn't want to push my luck today as he had done amazing to get to the full 3 hours now I no he was fine with that that I will move to the 3 hours 15 do uno was it the longest awake time he should have ? Or is it set to 3 hours 15 so even if he's ok does he go down then regardless ?
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Morning so he woke at 2.30am for a bottle and drunk the whole 5oz which is rare
He went straight bk to sleep and woke at 5.30 which makes sense as he was in bed for 6pm I didn't get him up until 6 but he didn't go back to sleep but was resting with me so when would his nap be due do I count from 5.30 or still try and go from 6am
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I'd try to keep near to 9am so you could go for 3.15 A time. Some count quiet time as half so 15 mins so class WU as 5.45 xx
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Thanks Hun I will defo try tho I'm hoping he gets a good first nap were of out later pram shopping and getting my eldest uniform for school in Hoping tio be back for his second nap but can't be sure X
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I'd count WU as 6am otherwise you could see yourself with too much "day" and having to do EBT instead of 6.30 and continue to see 5.30 WUs.
have a good day, if things go a bit off track today because you hare busy uniform shopping, don't panic and just back on track tomorrow :)
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We're out later so I'm hoping for good first nap as won't be back later so it will be a CN afternoon x
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He could only manage to 8.45 which is 3 hours 15 awake time but from wake up
He went straight down woke 25 mins later he had pooped so had to change his bum and he's been crying ever since he won't settle back down even tho he's mega tired can see today being fun ! :( X
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Oh bless him, maybe little drink of water and try again x
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Poo is so annoying :(
Tomorrow is a new day x
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Yesterday he napped twice when we were out was in bed for about 6.15pm only woke once and woke up at 5.40am I didn't get him up til 6am again tho. Here's hoping for a better day I'm staying in today well at least when naps are due so here's hoping I get a good day like Monday X
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Good going hope you get a good day x
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in bed for about 6.15pm only woke once and woke up at 5.40am
I think this is to be expected, it's 11.5hr night which is a good night. You really need the naps spread across the day and long enough A times to produce long naps so that BT can come later enough for that 11.5hr night to be at a reasonable time.
Good luck!
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Yeh I agree he does great at night so the first nap he only napped 40 mins wouldn't go back of so that messaged the day up he he stayed awake the full 3 hours for the one but was falling to sleep on my lap I couldn't keep him up any longer he slept 45 mins I had to give him a cuddle he went back down and slept another hour he didn't nap again then tho and was over tired come bed time because it had been 4 hours since his nap
Will try again tomorrow the shorter naps throw my day if he's won't go bk of X
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the first nap he only napped 40 mins wouldn't go back
What time did he wake in the morning and what time did he start his first nap?
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He woke at 5.40am we went down stairs at 6am
His first nap was at 8.55 I think it was my other two boys that woke him up tho as they were being quite loud monkeys ! They were out with daddy when he had his second nap and that was a good nap X
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OK :)
Looks like your day was something like this:
WU 5.40
A 3hr 15
S 8.55 - 9.35
A 3hr
S 12.35 - 1.20, 1.30 ish - 2.30
A 4h
BT 6.30
Tomorrow I suggest you really try to get to the first nap time of 9.15am even if it means longer than 3hr 15 A time from WU. I know it seems like a long A time especially if he wakes earlier than 6am but he will be more likely to nap better (and be easier to resettle if he does wake) and even if he gets a bit OT from a long first A time it will help establish this routine. Getting to the end of the day with a 4hr A time before BT is less helpful than having a very long first A time.
Here's the routine:
WU 6.00 or earlier
nap 9.15 - 10.45
nap 2 - 3.30
BT 6.30pm
Good luck! :)
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Thank you well he slept great last night slept til 3.30am bottle bk down he woke at 5.30am I lay him with me as I've been doing this to get us till 6 so we don't have to go down so early and surprisingly he went right back to sleep til 6.25am I don't no if I'm doing the wrong thing tho by letting him lie with me ? I refused point blank to get my last baby in with me and baby number one use to sleep with me I didn't want that for baby 2 Cruz sleeps all night in his cot tho and I only lay him with me so he doesn't wake his brother up but I don't no if maybe I should just get right up with him but I like the day starting that bit later lol.
So today we got up at 6.25am I no the day should start at 6 for a 6.30 bedtime but I was so tired I fell back asleep with him.
So what time should his first nap be now the 3 hours 15? 9.40am ? X
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I'm not surprised you fell back asleep - I would have too! :)
Yes 3hr 15, 9.40am for nap. Full nap. Full A time. You have a little bit of leeway today with getting up later, if one of the naps is not so long you can probably still make it to BT on a reasonable A time. I'd aim for 6.30 BT to get the consistency back. Depending how naps have gone in the day this might involve waking him at 3.30pm to maintain BT. (if naps are rubbish and he really really needs to sleep past 3.30 then I'd suggest waking at 4 and try for 6.30/7pm BT).
Have a good day :)
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I'm jealous of that 6.25 wake up and lay in :)
Agree with creations keep on pushing, we turned 7 months yesterday and are pushing to 3.10 as he's popping a short nap in here and there.
And although I don't like my kids in bed with me sometimes needs must and it's nice for cuddles sometimes.
Have a great day x
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Thanks girls he only had a short 40 minute nap yesterday Morning wouldn't settle bk of but had a hour and half in the afternoon plus he only got up at 6am today didn't have to lay in with me I'm happy with that 6am I can deal with gives me chance to get up and give him his bottle etc before my other two are up . Let's see how today pans out he seems to get really tired of a morning yet can go longer before bed but ino it affects him as he's more unsettled when he goes down for the night x
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He's just gone down for his nap 9.15am he was tired but made him stay up and he's gone straight to sleep by the sounds of it X
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Yay a hour and 25 mins nap X
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Great stuff :)
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He had a hour this afternoon He's really quiet today sure he's a bit under the weather X
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Yay for 1hr 25 nap :)
You may not be keen on this but it looks like an extra 10 mins might help. if you can get one or both naps a bit longer it really helps to get the sleep across the day and reach BT.
I wonder if Zoe agrees?
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Yes I'd definitely add a few mins just to get over the 1.5 hour mark, sometimes I need to add 5 mins to next A time of first nap was good to get longer second nap. Remember if he's looking tired a change of scenery helps x
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Thanks girls I will defo do that he's teething so really grumpy 😩 Bless him he's currently napping tho been up there over a hour so far X
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Morning girls hope ur well so things have been going ok he's been having two naps in the day a hour and half long maybe 5/10 mins shorter on the second nap
Ino I'm still doing things slightly wrong tho as he isn't always going the full awake time which I do need to work on but I'm so tired he's gone from waking once a night to 2/3 times and normally he would go bed at 6pm and sleep untill after 12 could be up til 3/4am bottle and back down now he's waking before 12 and then again after
All three of my boys woke last night think they had a plan lol
I don't no if it's just his teeth causing him to wake well he has no teeth lol but sure he's teething or it's something I'm doing .
He's still been going to bed at 6pm even tho he's been getting up later but only because he's been coming in with me if he wakes before 6 but because his last naps ends at 3ish he's tired come 6 and I didn't no wether to keep him awake
Could going to bed to early make him wake more
I'll post last few days routine it's like he slept better at night when he wasn't napping so long in the day.
I've started from the last day he only woke once and included the days he's woke up loads
Thursday 1st September 💙
3.20 - 5oz (9.5hours)
5.30am - awake in with me
6.25am - got up
6.50am - 2oz
8am - wetabix
3hours 5 mins awake time
9.35am - 10.10 nap pram
10.40pm - 5oz drained
12pm - rusk
12.10pm - lay in cot moaned 5
1.30pm - Daddy woke him up
2.40pm - 3oz
4pm - chips cauli cheese yog
5.50pm - 4oz heard winge a few times didn't need to go in
Friday 2nd September 💙
12.50am - 5oz drained
6am - got up
6.15am - 6oz
7.20am - brekkie didn't really want had bit of toast
3hour 15 mins awake time
9.15am - lay in cot
10.40am - woke up (1hour40)
10.50am - toast
12pm - mash beans banana crumble
12.50pm - 6oz
3hour 5 mins awake time
1.45pm - put for nap
2.45pm - woke up (1hour)
4pm - didn't want tea had banana crumble
Feels warm been crying most afternoon
3 hour 15 awake time
6pm - 8oz
6.40pm - cried 1oz
10.30pm - calpol 4oz
No poo today
Saturday 3rd September 💙
2am - nurofen 5oz
5.30am - woke up in wv me
6.45am - woke up
7am - 5.5oz
8.10am - wetabix wasn't very Intrested
3hour awake time
9.45 - lay in cot
11.15am - woke him (1.5hour)
11.20am - 4oz
2pm - yog & 5oz
Nap pram - 3pm
4pm - mash beans
6pm - 8oz
9.30pm - screaming nurofen 2oz
Moaning on off till 10ish
Settled bk
Two tiny pebble poos today
Sunday 4th August 💙
3.10am - 3oz Calpol
6.05am - woke up
6.15am - 2oz (bit of mucus nappy)
Little hard poop
7.30am - choc wetabix bit
3hour awake time
9.05 lay in cot
10.30am - woke up (1.5hours)
10.45am - 2oz soft poop
12.30pm - banana crumble
3hour 5 awake time
1.35pm - lay in cot
2.55pm - awake (1hour 20)
3pm - 3oz
3.30pm - Sunday dinner didn't eat
3hour 10 awake time
6.05pm - 8.5oz
9.40pm - nurofen drained 3oz
Monday 5th September 💙
12am - 3oz bonjela
2.30am - 3oz (CJ cried 1.45)
5.40am - in with me
6.30am - up
6.40am - 4oz
So as u can see ino he's been getting up later and still going to bed at 6 should I change that ? And today I'm defo making him go at least 3 hours 15 because ino it will be changing again soon it's just hard when there tired and grumpy I'm tired and have two other boys running wild it's easier to put him down but ino I have to do something
Do u think the waking in the night is because anything I'm doing or just because he's teething ? Should I stop bringing him in with me of a early morning and just get up with him
Should ino offer milk every time he wakes at night I do it just to get him back of to sleep even tho I no he Probally isn't even hungry
He's of his milk In the day to
Sorry about the long post. X
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Anyone X
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Hi there sorry been busy all day, are the NW unhappy or chatty? I'd say you need to push BT out a bit so looking at your days I'd be sticking to at least 3.15 A as that's when you get the best naps.
If it's teeth do you medicate at NW?
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Hi there. I'm just stopping by to let you know I've seen your post and will come back later for a read through.
If I am able to I will reply later, if not then it may be tomorrow.
We try to respond to posts within 24hrs so when you have new information you may not see a response for up to that amount of time. We are all volunteers here and many of us are out at work, have our own LOs to care for and family life etc. We do try to reply as soon as we can. Sometimes also it takes a while to read through the longer posts and give it some proper thought before responding.
Just going to see my DS off to bed now. x
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Thanks girls i totally understand it takes awhile to respond babies keep us busy
He's been crying when he wakes I give him medicine if I feel he needs it I don't give it on a normal night when ino he's waking but when he's screaming and seems in pain I will sometimes give him some if bonjela hasn't helped
I going to make sure we're up for 6 from now on no sleeping in and bed for 6.30pm tommorw I'm going to follow the routine given to the exact times and see how he goes .
It's just so hard when your tired yourself I use to get the same early mornings wake up with my last son tho and just had to get on with it I refused to bring him in with me even of a morning he is doing a lot better day wise he's napping a lot better two naps rather than 3/4 cat naps so we're defo improving thanks to your great help X
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Well it's great those naps have lengthened :)
and great that WU time is getting a bit better too :)
I do agree though that if BT keeps being on the early side then Wu will continue to also be on the early side. I'm sure those early morning snuggles are lovely but do be aware that habits form quickly, if you want him in with you at 5.30 every morning then continue, if not, well, only one thing for it - stop.
Looks like he was feeling a bit poorly. I know you'll be keeping an eye on hard poos, tummy aches and teething. All of those will add to the night disturbance of course.
I'd probably try to keep night feeds at least 3-4 hrs apart and get that milk back into the day time feeds.
I going to make sure we're up for 6 from now on no sleeping in and bed for 6.30pm tommorw I'm going to follow the routine given to the exact times and see how he goes .
It will be good to see how it goes. I hope he's feeling better too.
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Thanks Hun well he slept well last night thankfully I needed that lol. He stired around 11.30pm but didn't go in u till 11.45 when he began to cry he had a bottle and went right bk to sleep he then stired around 3ish but I didn't have to go in and he went back to sleep he has not long woken at 6.20am :) didn't need to bring him in wiTh me which I'm not doing anymore anyway I'll just have to get up early if that's what needs to be X
We're taking my eldest to his first day of school today so won't be in for his first nap he will be with his nan so no doubt nap in his pram if he naps at all she has the habit of keeping him awake but we will see I totally forgot it was school today but I'm going to try and stick as much as I can to the routine from wednsday all will be fine and back to normal so can work of perfecting the day
He will be 8 months on the 12th what should his wake time be then X
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Good night and good luck with first day of school, we have that tomorrow :)
At 8 months awake time would be around 3.5 hours some do longer x
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We were back to school today, Yr1 for my DS. Hope your first days went well!
Hope the naps went well too :)
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So yday was a mess short naps etc we had a great night asleep and he was up at 6am so we're going for a perfect day today X
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Fingers crossed x
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Thursday 8th September 💙
1.15am - 4oz (7.5hours)
6am - woke up
6.15am - 4oz
8am - wetabix
3hours 15 awake time
9.15am - lay in cot moaned for 5
10.35am - woke up (1hour15)
10.40pm - 1oz & biscuit
12.10pm - pork casserole yog
1.45pm - 6oz in room
3hours 15 awake time
1.50pm - lay in cot straight of
3.15pm - woke up (1hour20)
4pm - jacket spud cheese beans sausage / yog
3hour 15 awake time
6.30pm - 7oz & bed
Today's routine
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Erm...(rubs eyes)...do I see an almost perfect EASY? :o
WU and BT are exactly where you wanted them, naps are pretty good, not 1hr 30 but nearly and an 11.5hr night! It's amazing! :D
- how is his mood? OK? He seem happy enough?
So... if his mood is fine then I'd say leave things almost as they are now. Perhaps increase one of the A times a touch (first or second A time to 3hr 20/25, not the last A time before BT). You could do this now if you feel things are not 'right' or you could wait a couple of weeks. I would say rather than aiming for two long naps with longer A times which will end up not fitting into the day it would perhaps be more desirable to head for 1 slightly longer (1hr 30+) and one slightly shorter (1hr to 1hr 15) nap. Have a look at the samples here for 9 months (not 8 months) as this is where you are heading to over the next month-ish
chronological EASY samples, 7-9 months
It's fine to have what you have now with the 2 naps being a bit under the 1hr 30 if his mood is okay.
I think we are done here - would you agree?
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Most jealous of that perfect easy! Well done you x
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Thanks girls Im very proud of today we spent the whole day in the house which helped I just hope it's not a one of it always seems to go great then not so good least ino now it can be done and he was fine today really happy settled great for bed and for his naps
Just a quick question say if he fell asleep on the way bk from the school run say 5/10 mins max would I still put him for his nap at his due time I'm really hoping it doesn't happen but If it did this is what I'm worried about school runs and him getting sleepy and falling asleep before we get home
I think I will leave it how it his for a week or so see how he goes let him stay awake longer if he wants to and obv make activity time longer as and when we need to as ino he's getting older it's funny how happy I am and he is when e has two decent naps I agree I don't think two hour and half naps really work it seems to fit in better with the one long nap and then the slightly shorter one but still at least an hour
Thank you so much for your help girls
I don't doubt I'll be back when things go wrong lol but fingers crossed he's getting there x
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Just a quick question say if he fell asleep on the way bk from the school run say 5/10 mins max would I still put him for his nap at his due time I'm really hoping it doesn't happen but If it did this is what I'm worried about school runs and him getting sleepy and falling asleep before we get home
It really depends on the LO. Some will just go and do their nap anyway, some won't. You'll find out. You might end up making that nap much later to accommodate the micro-nap on the school run and then that nap might need to be short (1hr, could be less) so that you keep on track for the next part of the routine.
Not sure if you meant the morning run or afternoon run. There are several options to fit the day in eg:
- micro nap on run, later nap, long first nap, decent A time, shorter second nap to wake up before school run
- micro nap on run, later nap, shorter first nap (to make sure enough time for second A time), decent A, long second nap to wake before school run
- shift the day, moving WU and all naps 15-30 min later means no micro-nap on school run because LO is not tired enough, decent A time, shorter first nap, longer second nap before school run so that the longer nap comes before the later BT
Lots of different options depending on how things are. I'd just go with the flow for now and see what happens.
Don't forget some LOs get one reduced nap towards 9 or 10 months and some even start the 2-1 transition around that time.
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Yday was a nightmare would nap properly today has been an even bigger nightmare he woke up at 6.05am he fell asleep in his pram on the school run at 8.45 he had 45 mins so woke at half 9 I fort that will be him awake now til next nap due nope he fell asleep at 11.30 on the way to get my son from nursery that was only a 2 hour awake time he's screaming now he's tired I tried to lie him down for a nap as he only had a short 10 min nap 15 mins max but nope he won't settle I've got my toddler downstairs so I'm trying to settle him and can't and have to keep eye on my toddler today is a disaster and I've got another school run to do at 3.15 in praying he don't fall asleep then cuz bed time will be ruined d x
He's 8 months today so shouldn't be falling asleep after only two hours awake time surely X
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Awhh hugs we have had the same with school runs. Fri fell asleep on way out of school so I drove for an hour lol...couldn't face short nap and he carried on sleeping for another 30 mins when I had to wake him as we had an appointment. Then fell asleep before school run at home but short napped then had to have CN at 4.30.
I'm just thinking I might have to deal with it for now until we get the feel of things. DS2 was in bed at 6.30 tonight so will be EW but couldn't keep him awake.
How's the rest of your day gone?
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Bless them little monkeys
Well he finally fell asleep around half 1 and slept til half 2 he was in bed for 6 as tbat was 3.5 hours and he was so tired hopefully he will sleep he was in bed for 6 yday to and slept til 6.05 this morning I think we will just have to see how the next week or so goes to hopefully he will be able to stay awake on school runs soon enough X I
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So he slept well woke at 3.30am had some milk back of he was up at 5.45 which is expected as he was in bed for 6pm but that early wake up means he's almost certainly going to fall asleep on the school run this morning so that will no doubt be another short nap lol. X
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What are you going to do if he short naps? Wake him or try for longer lunch nap? Good night though x
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Not long got home and he stayed awake yay! He was rubbing his eyes but was awake he's stil awake now at 9.05 if I put him down at 9.15 that's a 3.5 hour awake time is that right for 8 months
I Probally would of just tried for a long lunch time nap X
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Sounds good and yes about right. Then if you get a long nap it won't matter if second is shorter x
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Defo fingers crossed :) X
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Nope 45 mins nap and he didn't even go to sleep til 9.30 I put him done at 9.20 but he was hungry sucking his hands crying because he only drunk 1oz this morning wen he got up so he had a bottle and went down at 9.30 so 45 mins is all he had o tried to get him back of he was just smiling at me x
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Sounds UT!? They just like to throw our plans x
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Yeh I think so monkey and I'm out now he's asleep in his pram little monkeys I will try a longer awake time Tomoz X
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We had an awful night he was really over tired from lack of sleep yday woke twice then woke at 5.15 talking away I had my wisdom tooth out yday so was tired and sore so I put him in with me which I haven't since I said I wouldn't cuz I haven't needed to he hasn't woke so early for ages we finally got up at 6.35 xx
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Is he teething? We've had some dodgy naps and nights because of this.
Poor you hope you feel ok x
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Yeh he is teething bless him he was 8 months on the 12th and he has no teeth yet lol X he's having nap now the other two are at nursery and school so I'm relaxing X
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Mine has 2 bottom teeth and I think I spied a top one today. Hope you get a good nap x
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Aww bless him both my other boys got there first teeth at 6 months don't no where Cruzs are lol
He had a hour and 20 mins and 40 mins the second time my toddler woke him up by crying X
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Not too bad then. School runs just mess things up lol x
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They really do he slept from 6pm - 5.15am dropped back of til 6
He has woke at 5.15 last two mornings he hasn't done that for ages and has been going bed at the same time X
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You maybe need to push BT a bit later.x
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Hi there
Sorry to hear about your wisdom tooth extraction, you must be shattered, I was out of action a few days when I had mine done. Hope you are feeling better soon (lots of meds helped me!) xx
Honestly I would not count 5.15am as an EW. He has slept 11 hrs 15 over night which is only 15 mins shorter than what we previously established is his overnight sleep length of 11hr 30. I really wouldn't put anything much on a LO sleeping 15 mins less over night (and actually looking through the times, your LO has slept *more* overnight rather than less)
A few points to consider:
- due to unavoidable circumstances (your wisdom tooth extraction) you were tired and so had LO in bed with you until 6.35am, this made his day shorter by 35 mins. It's worth expecting the routine to go off track when you have any kind of change to it so for that day and the following couple I'd expect to be pushing back to the planned routine.
- you put him down to bed at 6pm making his day another 30 mins shorter than the planned routine. Overall then it looks like just over 1hr shorter on his day. This means expecting him to have a shorter day and longer night. EBT might be needed due to the second nap being short (40 min CN due to being woken by sibling). When you give EBT I'd just expect an earlier WU and start the next day as planned. Anything longer than that is a bonus.
- both days he nodded back off and woke at 6.35 and 6am which honestly I would take as a huge bonus. This means he extended his night sleep beyond what we would expect from a LO who generally does 11hr 30 up to and beyond 12hr.
- LOs might need a longer night and might be able to do a longer night when teething...but equally they might also sleep less or find it harder to go to sleep or wake numerous times with pain. Teething does cause sleep disturbance and we have to kind of wing it a bit to get through those times and return to the routine as soon as possible to keep on track.
- Some LOs will do a longer night when naps have been shorter in the day to catch up but we must also keep in mind that if we continue to have longer nights then LO may not sleep so well in the day as a consequence.
- Giving or allowing a longer night can quickly lead to UT naps leading to shorter naps and shorter day and in effect the short naps then result in needing EBT which then expects a long night or leads to earlier wake up. UT can also end up causing OT.
Here's the routine:
WU 6.00 or earlier
nap 9.15 - 10.45
nap 2 - 3.30
BT 6.30pm
Are you still working to this routine?
If it is not working for you LO might need an A time increase due to age.
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Thanks for the reply sorry Cruz is poorly he's throwing up all his bottles
To be honest routine has gone out the window with the school runs he has either been falling asleep on the school run or managing to stay awake but having short naps he's had me up at 5am today my eyes are stinging I thought we had cracked this 5am waking
Tuesday 13th September 💙
3.25am - 2.5oz (9.5hours)
5.45am - got up (2hour20)
5.55am - 1oz
7am - choc ready brek
3houts 25mins awake time
9.20am - lay in cot crying hungry
9.30am - 6oz asleep
10.15am - woke up (45 mins)
12pm - full fruit pot
3 hours 20mins awake time
1.35pm - went to sleep pram
2.10pm - woke up (40)
2.20pm - 2oz
4.30pm - 1/2 jar yog
6.30pm - 7oz
Wednesday 14th Sept 💙
12pm - 3oz (almost 6)
2.25am - rest bottle
5.15am - 1oz talking away had to get in with me finally dropped bk of
6.35am - woke up
7am - choc ready brek
9.30am - 7oz falling asleep
3 hours 5mins awake time
9.40pm - lay in cot
11am - woke up (1hour20)
12pm - lunch
2.05pm - 5oz
3hour 15 awake time
2.15pm - lay in cot
2.55pm - woke up
4.30pm - half jar spag Bol & yog
3hour 5min awake time
6pm - 8.5oz
Thursday 15th September 💙
2.10am - almost 5oz (8hours10)
5.15am - 3oz in with me
6am - got up
7am - wetabix
Was falling asleep in pram woke him up tho
3hours 15 mins awake time
9.15am - lay in cot crying had to cuddle 9.15am -
10.15am - woke up (1hour)
10.30pm - didn't want bottle biscuit
12pm - jar & yog
1.25pm - 6oz falling asleep
3hour 15 awake time
1.30pm - lay in cot straight of
1.55 crying cuddled him went bk of
2.45pm - woke up threw up everywhere
Didn't have tea was sick
5.45pm - 5oz then threw u all over us changed him
6pm Put in cot and he went to sleep himself
7.55pm - crying
11.10pm - crying
Friday 16th September 💙
3am - woke up
5am - woke up
5.20am - up
5.30am - 2oz
He didn't have any milk last night as I didn't want him throwing up I have gave him a tiny amount this morning X
Ino his first awake times have been shorter this is because of school runs etc
Also he seems to be not drinking his bottle of a morning which makes him want it before his nap it's just all messed up obv while he's poorly I've got to just get thru it but I want to get back down the routine now x
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Sorry to hear he is so poorly vomiting, a bug do you think?
FWIW the advice is to continue milk and water even when LOs are poorly to ensure tehy don't become dehydrated - that said if you're avoiding sickness in the night by not feeding then this could end up being the time you wean those night feeds. It looks like there is some reliance there on feeding in the night to resettle.
Honestly I think you're doing remarkably well. 12hr nights plus a school run to deal with. Many people would pay good money to have that. it's just you've a couple of NWs in there, and like I said that might be linked to feeding in the night. Most formula fed babies will be dropping their night feed around now-ish and anyway only needing 1 rather than multiple.
Night feeds aside I'd probably not do the morning E until 6.30/7am as he's not taking much on WU and see if the amount improves with him being a bit more awake.
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Hope he gets better soon. I agree with creations I think your nights are great, in time and pushing BT may get you a later WU but you could just have an early waker who likes an earlier BT. DS1 is like that....
Definitely offer milk still as he will need his vitamins as well as not getting dehydrated.xx
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Thank you girls well I can hear a slight wheeze on his chest now we've got the Drs shortly to get him checked he's had Bronchiolitis a few times poor baby I agree he does do well and most night only wakes up once then has a few nights where he wakes up twice . I'm trying to stick to his routine best I can but hard with his being poorly I'm sure it will fall into place with school runs etc . He's just waking up now after a 50 minute nap and he was awake for 3 hours 50 mins which ino is slightly long but I left him with my partner while I did school run and he was still awake wen I got back
He is drinking more milk today and he has had a little something to eat bless him
I think I will try work on the night weaning to X
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He's got Bronchiolitis X.
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Poor little thing, get well soon x
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Oh dear, so sorry to hear that. Has he been able to stay home or is he in hospital?
many hugs and vibes for a quick recovery x
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Thanks girls he's at home the dr said to take him up hospital if he gets worse isn't drinking at least half what r normally takes or is breathing and sucking in
He's miserable but isn't to bad hoping it stays that way x
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Morning girls so we've had a rough few nights he's finally feeling a little better and slept better last night he woke once the two night before that he woke loads and was awake a hour and half
1.30pm - 1oz sick al over me wen I went bk in
2am - calpol change sleeping bag
2.30am - moaning sip water
3pm - baby vicks
7.15am - up
7.25am - don't want milk
7.45am - ready brek
9.25am - 2oz
3hour 15 awake time
10.40 - lay in cot moaned 5 mins
12pm - woke up (1hour 15)
2.15pm - Sunday dinner
3.05pm - 3oz
3.20pm - 3.50 little cat nap
6.20pm - 8oz
Monday 19th September 💙
2am - drained 4oz (almost 8hours)
5.30am - woke up
5.40am - got up
6am - 2oz
He went to bed slightly early last night as he had two very unsettled nights and not great naps
Hopefully now he's feeling a bit better we can start getting a bit of routine back
He was up late yesterday morning so yday was thrown of but he's awake at half 5 today
His naps never seem to be a hour and half anymore
Really hoping he doesn't fall asleep on the school run today we leave around 8.10am &a back for about nearly 9ish so really he should be able to stay awake to then nap in his cot
I'm not sure what to do with his bottles he isn't drinking much milk lately he has water with his food
Is it ok to give breakfast first at his age? But surely he can't be having breakfast at like 6am and them would I offer a bottle he's 8 months one week old now should his awake time be longer now x
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He fell asleep on school run at 8.25 and was awake shortly after I got in at 8.55 so had half hour 😩
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Hi there, glad he's on the mend. I'd try and keep him up and get a longer lunch nap at say 12.30?
He's prob just catching up, with milk feeds you could offer in a cup at wake up, do you feed straight away? We always wait until 6.45/7 anyway and breaki at 8.
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I normally offer it about 15 mins after we've got up as we can't do breakfast at 8 as I have to leave for school run not long after . Breakfast is normally around half 7 some days I won't offer milk when we get up and he has breakfast first this is if he has had a bottle in the night near wake up . I'm going to try keep him up I have to get my middle child from nursery at half 11 set out at 11.10 so I'll get my partner to watch him other wise he will fall asleep in pram again and have another short nap . X h
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Sounds like a plan.
I'd offer breaki at 6.30 then with some milk in a cup and do rest of milk just before school run.
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Thanks Hun I will do that sounds like a good idea :)
Nope didn't work he fell asleep anyway at 11.40 in my oh arms I'm not impressed with him for letting him lol he went into his cot had 40 mins and is awake crying I'm trying to get him to resettle but doubt he will cuz obv was a short awake time from last nap .
It's like we're back to cat naps again now this has messed my day up because he's alredi had two naps and is now going to need another cat nap at some point which will mess bedtime up this stresses me out lol x
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Oh he's gone back of x
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Why don't you post on the And then there were two...
Get some BTDT!?
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I'll take a look he slept well 6pm - 12am little bit of milk and back down till 5.35am
He also has cut his first tooth today yay.
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Great stuff :)
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He stayed awake during school run went for a nap at 9 and was stil awake at 9.50 lol monster lol that was almost a 3.5 hour awake time x
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Maybe he needs that A time now x
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I am so tired he's better now still a little cough but not bad he was sleeping ok And now he's waking more he's awake at like half 4 won't go back of have to get him in wv me where he eventually goes back of but not for long
I don't no what to do it's making me moody and miserable
Today I didn't get him in with me I just got up at 5 but I'm so tired
Monday 19th September 💙
2am - drained 4oz (almost 8hours)
5.30am - woke up
5.40am - got up
6am - 2oz
7.10am - ready break didn't want much
3hour awake time
8.25am - 8.55 nap pram (30)
10.25pm - 3oz
2hour40 awake time
11.40am - sleep
12.20pm - woke up (40mins) went bk of
1.15pm - woke up (50)
2.30pm - 1.5oz
4pm - 1/2 jar yoghurt
6pm - 6oz calpol
Tuesday 20th September 💙
12am - 2oz (6hours)
5.35am - got up (5.5hours)
6am - 1.5oz
6.35am - chocolate ready brek
9am - 1.5oz
3hours 30 awake time
9.02am - lay in cot moaned for few
9.50am - woke up (45 mins)
12pm - finger food yog
1pm - 1oz
3hour40min awake time
1.30pm - lay in cot babble 5/10 min
2.10pm - woke up
4.15pm - 1/2 jar sick yog
6pm - 7.5oz
10pm - crying bonjela water cried again 2oz (4hours)
Wednesday 21st September
12.50pm - calpol (almost3)
2.50pm - 1oz
4.50 - in with me
5.45am - got up
6.35am - wetabix beaker milk
9.05am - 5oz
3hours25 awake time
9.10am - put in cot
10.30am - woke up (1hour 20)
12pm - lunch finger foods
1.35pm - 5oz
3hour10min awake time
1.40pm - in cot
2.20pm - woke up (40mins)
4.15pm - swag Bol yog
6pm - 7oz
9.45pm - stired didn't need to go in
11.45pm - 4oz drained felt bit cold (almost6hours)
Thursday 22nd September 💙
5.40am - woke up (6hours)
6.15am - wetabix & juice poo
Falling asleep way home
8.55am - 6oz lay in cot pooped
9.20am - sleep
10am - woke up 40mins
12pm - lunch
3hour 15 awake time
1.15pm - 5oz 10 min settle down
1.25pm - nap cot
2.40pm - woke him up (1hour20)
4.15pm - spag Bol & yog
6pm - 7oz
10.40pm - woke Wundt settle
10.45pm - 2.5oz bonjela
Friday 23rd September 💙
2.20am - not even 1oz
4.35am - 1/2oz in with me
5.50am - up
7am - choc ready break
8.40am - nap pram
9.45pm - woke up
10am - 5oz
12pm - lunch you
1.10pm - 7oz
1.15pm - down for nap
2pm - woke up (45mins)
4pm - chilli was sick yog
6pm - 7oz
10.55am - 4oz drained bonjela
Saturday 24th September 💙
4.40am - 4oz went bk of chad shouted and woke him
5am - got up
He keeps going to bed at 6 because he's waking from his last nap early and alredi having a long awake time but even with going to bed at 6 he was waking at at least half 5 not half 4
He use to only wake once in the night now it's multiple times
Something has to change because I have two other young kids to look after and I'm running on empty
Can anyone see anything that needs to be changed
He's been having his bottles before his. And as this is the only way he will drink them lately if I try
Him when we get up he isn't interested so he has the first one after the school run and the second after lunch I've been giving them in his bedroom tho as it's quiet but then he's falling asleep on them which his never done in the day
I really don't no what to do regards to milk do I go back to offering them after wake up instead like ur meant to even if he doesn't drink much x
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Hi there sorry not answered been hectic, I see you've started a new post which is good as you will get new eyes on that one now x