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SLEEP => Night Wakings => Topic started by: Chloevalentine on October 03, 2016, 10:24:44 am
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My 11 week lo went from sleeping 6-8 hr stretches st night to waking every 3 hrs!! I think it's related to be swaddled and getting one arm out at night. He never goes into that deep long sleep. Yesterday we had a very cranky ot baby all day who was hard to get to nap. We've tried not swaddling arms or one arm so he can get to his hands and then we've also swaddled again during the night just to get him back to sleep. We fed him a few times during the night not sure if he was hungry but how he eat every 3 hours for 24 hours?! This is also throwing off our easy during the day not knowing when he's hungry as he's not eating at some of the feeding but then only sleeping for 20 mins. Help this is throwing off any routine we had!
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Hello :)
So sorry for the struggles. I know it can be frustrating but this will pass! He will change so much in the upcoming weeks too. It's all part of the fun ::) ;)
What is his EASY looking like more or less right now? FF or BF? At around 3 months of age, there is a growth spurt so I would actually continue to feed at nights and on demand.
What are you doing when he wakes during the night? Are you feeding or resettling/swaddling?
Honestly, I say keep the swaddle for now or as long as you can. He may not be ready to sleep without it but coming up on the stage of becoming more mobile and not wanting to stay swaddled. He probably doesn't want it but still needs it. It's a frustrating stage. We went through it too. I got rid of it when the rolling began.... which you might see soon. Around the 3 month mark his sleep changed because of the swaddle too but he wasn't ready to be without it just yet. Many hugs- swaddle struggles are trying ::) ...if you feel he might be better without it and you feel he can sleep without it; try one arm out for a few days, then the other. Or legs out, one at a time first. If it's causing more problems he might not be ready just yet and you can try later.
Xo
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Thanks so much! Yes I agree that he's just not ready. I've tried the one arm out etc and he was up all night. I'm feeding for formula and yes I do offer bottle when he wakes.
Last night we had a good night. He went to bed by 630 woke at 230 then again at 645. But today was another story.
645 awake
715 feed
Into swing at 745 (some days he falls asleep 1 hr after waking that day and sometimes it's 2 hrs later nap 810-840 30 mins (by 845 I have to put him in the car anyway for school drop off but he usually stays awake. )
A 840-1015
10 feed was falling asleep didn't eat much
1015-1115 nap (1 hr)
This is where it gets tricky because he normally eats every 3 hrs and he wasn't due to eat until 1 so I fed him at 1245 and he was sleepy but hungry I think because he didn't eat much at last feeding
He didn't fall asleep until 115
Nap 115-145 (30 mins)
3 feed
Tried to put him down for nap but wouldn't sleep
4 fell asleep until 420 20 min nap
Then of course he was miserable crying until next feed and bed which I did at 545
He fell asleep but kept waking crying ot until 645 he finally passed out!
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Sorry for the bad day... sometimes it seems it's one or the other huh. ::) how was his EASY yesterday that gave you such a good night?
If he's formula fed, if he is going through a GS, try increasing slightly his daytime bottles to avoid NWs out of hunger (if that's the case)
Ok now, his EASY... it is normal for naps to start getting a bit crazy during this time so don't expect long good naps till closer to 5/6mths. The way I normally see it is, 0-3 months a newborn works on fixing his night sleep. 3-6 months he works on day sleep. Being that he's still a tiny baby, its best never to never expect 2 days to be the same. So much will change and it will rarely be consistent. Hang in there mama! As I always say with all phases the first year, "this too shall pass" ::) ;)
I think at this time, to help establish a better daytime routine is to go by total A times. Here is the link for AVERAGE A times for babies. I refer back to it from time to time. All babies are different but it's a good guide so you have an idea:
Average A times- BOOKMARK ME!
At 3 months your looking at an A time of 1.20/1.30 ...this MAY help the naps here and there to extend but don't expect them to all be long. Usually at least one if you nail the A time ;) which is the tricky part haha! It also developmental as their sleep cycles are changing. I would work on A times and fixing his routine a bit more. Since most of the time at this age, naps are give or take, expect baby to be a bit OT. Offer good restorative naps when possible. At this age I wouldn't worry so much about independent sleeping or swaddle...that will come. I think a good goal is to just get baby rested as much as possible.
Continue to feed on demand and don't go by the clock. Again, there is a growth spurt around this time :)
Poor babies; OT is just inevitable. Work on routine and keep an eye on his A times :)
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Thank you for the advice. I def think it's the swaddling causing him to wake not hunger. I swaddled him tight but I already see him moving and a hand is out!! He's not a good napper for sure but today was worse than normal. Tomorrow I'm going to try naps in his crib instead of the swing that he's outgrowing! When my big guy is at school I can give more time to trying to settle him. The swing is just easier because he goes in awaje and falls asleep on his own. Normally just not lately. I'm just worried to have another day with terrible ot! I usually aim for 1.5 hrs A time seems to work more than not. But the feedings are messing up any kind of 1.5 hr routine.
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So he woke at 1230 am then again at 515 am he went back to bed at and woke at 745. Normally I would try to wake him at the same time every day but I let him sleep being that he was so tired yesterday. He wasn't interested in eating this morning so I had to wait until I got back from school drop off which was 930. Then I put him down for a nap at 9:45 so it was a long a time of two hours but I had no choice. I put him in his crib for the first time for a nap and he slept for 40 minutes I didn't swallow his arms just his legs to see how he would do. His arms were flailing around for a while but he was still able to sleep for a little while. But now what do I do in terms of the easy schedule? He'll be ready for another nap by 12. Do I just put him down and feed him when he wakes? I'll probably get another short nap due to hunger Maybe I'll try swaddling him at naptime just thought it was a good chance to start unswaddling instead of nighttime
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Maybe I'll try for another nap at 11:45 which might be kind of early but I'll have to have them back in the car by 1245 to pick up my son
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Hi :)
You know at this age, I would aim for AT LEAST one good nap in the crib. Swaddled. Usually the first nap is the most restorative.
My best advice is to tackle one thing at a time hun. I know that swaddle is a pain now that he is becoming mobile. I went through the same thing at that age.. he just didn't like the swaddle anymore or started getting out of it, but he still needed it. I kept it as long as I could. I would tackle one thing at a time- so maybe start but working on a good A time and first nap in the crib, swaddled completely. Once he seems to get a decent nap in the crib swaddled, then you can work on maybe unswaddling during the day. If you really want to ditch the swaddle, I would start in the day first and do the one arm out or leg... etc. Swings are a prop and being rocked to sleep is what he is used to-- so getting him to sleep in the crib for the first time will take a bit of time. But one thing at a time love :) ....at this age I used and did whatever to get my LO rested. Around 4mths I worked on more "independent" sleep.
Do keep in mind that short naps are super common at this time. As his A time increases and sleep patterns change, they should get longer around 5/6 mth mark :) ...at this age what I did was try my hardest to just get my baby rested as best as I could. Can you resettle after short naps? So if he wakes/short naps, can you resettle back to sleep? I would try that at least with one nap so you can get one longer nap in his day. When he wakes, go in and rock him, hold him, pat, or whatever you do to try and send him back to sleep :)
As far as his EASY I don't think you should focus on the clock with feeds... just feed on demand. The goal is just not to feed to sleep, kwim? So long as you continue the Eat Activity Sleep routine. If he's not hungry when he wakes, that's ok. You can feed him a bit later or closer to his next nap so long as he's not being fed to sleep... you know? Feed, then start your little wind down routine, then nap :)
Here are some examples of routines around this age. Again, no two days are the same. Inconsistency will def happen ;)
chronological EASY samples, 0-3 months
Hope those help just so you have an idea. At this age though, it's just going with the flow and doing whatever to keep our sanity ;)
Hugs
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Thank you! He slept 945-1025 he woke we played had a bath and he was real fussy after an hour of being awake and I knew he wasn't hungry so I swaddled him sat in the chair and sang then put him in. He started crying and was already getting at his hands through the swaddle I went in picked him up for a min or two put him back in and he's asleep at 1145 so A time of only 1 hr 15 mins which is way less than he normally does. Maybe trying to put him down with shorter A time is better. What's the worst that can happen it will just take him longer to settle? I just feel bad because I need to wake him by 1240 at the latest to put him in car to get my son. So that's another nap under an hour. He normally stays awake in the car. Should I try for next nap at 2? I also won't be able to feed him until 115 which is when we get home. That's close to 4 hrs and he's used to eating every 3! What if he does nap for 5-10 mins in car think it will throw off the next nap time? Also if I get a good 1.5 hr nap and he's up at 430 when do I do bedtime? I normally feed him at 6 and put to bed any later and he's a mess.
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Ok I got the same 40 min nap again! Is he ut?
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Hello :)
Well, again I will tell you- short naps are developmental at this time. Even with the right A times. Physically they are unable to continue the next sleep phase on their own. They wake at the end of their first cycle, kwim? Which is why I asked if you can resettle again so he can continue to sleep. Babies at this age are no independent sleepers either and need help on our end most of the time.
So basically he is unable to take resettled naps because of the school runs? If that's the case, maye it's best to stop stressing the routine and go with it. I learned very quickly that with two (or more) you have to just adjust as best you can. I have a 5 yo and at the beginning (he was 4, and my NB) it was very hard and I just accepted the short naps and that it would be hard adjusting around the school drop offs. I still have that struggle now with pick ups because that's when his second nap of the day lands ::) ...but until A time is longer, it will be easier. In time it will sort itself out.
Were you able to look at the link I provided of some sample schedules?
My LO fought the swaddle too... every time around that age. It was so easy and then he just didn't want anything to do with it. I kept it though as long as I could. It got trickier around 4mths ::) when he began rolling...! I doesn't mean he was over tired necessarily. Or UT. He probably just needs a new way of falling asleep. I had to position my LO differently, and our wind down changed around that time too. I remember it well. Just suddenly he was grunting and trying to get out. We had the Miracle blanket. Maybe trying a new swaddle can help his arms from going out? ....but mine just needed a new way to fall asleep. It happens as they get bigger and more aware/mobile.
Keep working with those A times. They are tricky to nail... but as time passes you'll know them a bit more. At this age hun, they are usually OT. Again, try and sleep as much or as often as you are able to.
:) hugs!
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I tried for a nap at 145 he fell asleep by 2 a lot of crying and resettling slept until 3 so 1 hr. Tried to put him in swing for that late catnap at 4 but he was awaje for 30 mins so I took him out. He's managing ok not crying so I'll probably stick with the 6 feeding and bed. When u say your lo needed another way of falling asleep what do you mean ?
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We did feeding at 6 and to bed. He didn't quite finish he bottle so he woke 1 hr later I gave him the rest and he slept until 215 I fed him then back to bed until 630 am! So a good night! That late nap is tricky he rarely takes it. He woke at 630 I fed him at 7 then up for a nap at 745. It took a while to put him to sleep and it was hard because my bigger guy was just waking up looking for me. By the time I got him down I had to rush to get us ready for school. He woke 835 40 mins! Same length every day! I have no time to resettle.
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Hello :)
When I meant my LO needed a new way of falling asleep, it's because our normal nap/BT routine wasn't working anymore. Our old way at that time was a swaddle, holding him, a pat and paci (currently he is out of the swaddle, paci free and I don't need to hold him...but he's nearly 8mths). From one day to the next, it seemed he didn't want to be held or it was the swaddle. He wasn't comfortable I guess. That's the best way I can put it. He started grunting and just fussing anytime I held him. I took it as a sign that he wanted to spread out and need space. He used to sleep in the swing also then, so I began by trying one nap a day (the morning was the easiest) in the crib. I swaddled (miracle blanket), paci, relax him then laid him down in the crib with his paci, and just patted instead. It took time but he preferred it. They just become more mobile around this time and begin discovering their limbs :) ...the way he sleeps will continue to change as time passes. Wind down routine had to be adjusted as well.
The 40 min nap is developmental hun. Again, a baby can't self settle at this age and need help to continue into the next sleep cycle. With age and time this changes. Their A time increases and they learn to sleep independently :) ...but that's a bit later. With patience, and being gentle in your methods, you can work up to this. The ultimately goal is for him to sleep on his own and you can guide now as time goes on so when he's ready, he'll just get it. In the mean time I would try to work with A times, keeping an eye on OT, and getting him as much rest as you can. Resettle short naps when possible :)
Ok, can you do me a favor and lay down your afternoon EASY? I'm curious about his bedtime and that CN mostly but in EASY format please :)
Xo
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Ok thank you makes sense! What cn are you curious about? What are your thoughts on bedtime? I have to say he's doing quite well transiting into naps in his crib! He's been napping exclusively in his swing so this was a big change. He also does better when he's sleepy but not asleep when I put him down. He also has a little cold which might be affecting his routine Today's easy was a bit messy:
Awake 630
E 7
A 630-755
S 755-835 (40 mins) tried to put him down at 745 took 10 mins but when he wakes he doesn't cry and is happy and rested it seems
A 835-10
E 945
S 10-1045
E 1145
A 1045-1 tried for a nap at 12 but he wouldn't sleep had to leave 1245 to pick up older lo
So he fell asleep in car seat 1-130 30 mins
E 230
S 245-
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And he woke 30 mins later at 315 crying snd I couldn't resettle. My big lo kept coming into the room turning the light on etc. then I went to shut the door and his finger got stuck in it. this is so stressful!! And if I don't get him to nap again tiday I don't know how long he will last until bedtime
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What an awful night we had. Major ot didn't nap again fed and put him into bed by 6. Then he called us back every 10 mins for over an hour! Help!
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Being sick has a lot to do with it :( hope he gets well soon.
Well, i just wanted to see how many naps and afternoon naps were happening. You didn't really finish his EASY? Or what happened? I believe at this age I was still doing 4 naps a day... something like, 8am, 11am, 2pm, 4pm and BT was a bit later around 7/8pm. As time passes they drop the 4th nap and that's when BT comes earlier... maybe he's waking after 1 hr because he's not yet aware it's BT yet and it's just another nap? ....
If he's overall happy and content after 40 mins then I would just proceed. Mine took 40/45 min happy naps. As the day went on he was a bit worse being OT from the day. His morning nap he woke happy because he fell asleep at a good A time for his age. I would continue with that first nap coming around after 1.20/1.30 A time... asleep. He's not taking short 30 min naps which usually are a sign of OT, so it shows me that's good for now... until he extends later on his A or learns to transition on his own. Are you able to resettle ANY of the naps?
All his A times are also a bit on the long end. Yes at this age it's about 1.20/1.30 but not EVERY A time.. maybe after that first long A time for his first nap, the next one you cut it to maybe asleep by 1.15 A time.
When is drop off and pick up times for ur oldest? :)
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Sorry sbout that
S 245-315 (30 mins)
Tried again at 415 and he wouldn't fall asleep
Fed and put to bed at 6!
Then he cried every 10 mins we had to go in for over an hour as soon as I would pick him up he would pass out. Major ot for sure. I don't think he thinks it's a nap as he usually goes right back to sleep or on good days he doesn't wake until 2 am.
So I had a 40 min first nap then a 45 min second nap then a 30 min in the car because he wouldn't fall asleep at home and drop off I leave at 845 home by 915 pickup I leave 1245 home by 115. Then another 30 min nap. That was it!
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Today so far
645 awake
E 725
A645-810
S 810-850
E 945
A 850-1005
S 1005-1045
Going to try to get him down for a nap by 12 and feed him when he wakes. Otherwise it's hard with the naps being short and the feedings it doesn't work out.
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So let's just say he was up from 1045 until bedtime. Actually he's still up crying at 730! I'm at a loss and the both of us are exhausted!
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Sounds so much like my DS...when he was OT he would go on these marathon awake spells. I think hun that anytime you get a 30min nap the best thing to try to do is to bring the next nap forward a touch to try to avoid OT. I usually shave 15/20mins off the next A time. It's probably going to mean you get lots of short naps, but hopefully you still get naps vs no naps at all, yk?
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Yes I did try that and then after hours of him being up it was just a mess. He finally passed out at 8! Should I start with shorter A times tomorrow? will the ot just continue or will his sleep tonight kind of reset it?
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My DD was much of the same today, I feel your pain ::). It's hard to say really, I think if you notice tired signs tomorrow earlier than normal I would probably just read the queues and put down earlier if necessary. At worst you might get a UT nap which is probably better than an OT one after those kinds of days.
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I'm getting stuck with feedings. Like today he woke at 645 ate at 730 and napped from 8/840. So he won't be due to eat until 1030 but hell be ready for nap at 10. What do I do?
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I'd just feed before nap and top up afterwards if needed. It can get mucky with short naps for sure but best to be fed before nap to avoid any hunger wakings :)
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Well he started to get fussy and crying at around 1 hr A time so I took him up and started nap routine swaddle dark room etc and he cried for 15 mins straight until he passed out at 955 same A time this as this morning 1 hr 15/20 mins. But that would've meant feeding him at 930 or earlier In order to get him into bed within that A time and he just won't eat 2 hrs after last feed. I'm also wondering why all the crying before nap. And my toddler was in the garbage when I came back down. Leaving him alone or 15-20 mins is way too long. Why is this so hard?!
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And the baby slept for 20 mins!! Now what do I do? He was up at 1020 so I just try again around 1120? I can't even leave the house. My toddler just watches tv all day while I'm trying to get the baby to sleep. This is awful
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Sorry for the million posts I'm just at a loss. It's now 12 and I can't get him to sleep since the 20 min nap from 10-1020 I've been upstairs trying all morning with my toddler unsupervised. I don't know how I can keep doing this.
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Hi there! I quickly skimmed the last few posts as time is a bit limited but according to your last post...
Hugs and hang in there. I was in the same boat a few months ago and now it's so much easier (in its own way) ...with time this will all be a thing of the past.
20 min naps can mean maybe over stimulation? What is your wind down routine? Or if anything OT for sure. You just need to maybe keep baby with averse A times to avoid excessive OT and a very moody baby ;) ...it's hard nailing the right A time. At your LOs age, average is 1.20hr/30... so I would aim to have baby ASLEEP BY that time or around that time. If your on the lower end of A times right now, I would consider pushing ONE A time for a few days by 15min increments...then work on another A time the same way etc etc. this is the gentle way to help them adjust and prevents those uncontrollable meltdowns. Honestly though, I wouldn't try to stress the A time too much because at this age short naps are also very common and developmental. I would honestly just ride the wave on this one. Things will change so dramatically anyway within the next month also ::) ...I learned to just accept that this is what is was going to be and things became easier, once i accepted it ;)
Honestly, don't be feeling bad about the too much tv for your oldest. At this age, you have to do what you have to do. I know mine had to do the same on some days for awhile too. I would stress it too and it made me feel awful... but it's just temporary hun. I know it seems like an eternity and it's so much napping at this age ::) ...I never thought I would say, "I hate naps and can't wait for the day we are one 1!" ;) haha! They are time consuming and a bit stressful but it will pass and so much faster than it feels now.
You know what I would do? I would leave and stay out of the house! That way my oldest got out and had his fun and the baby would just sleep in the stroller for the next naps. When I had bad days, I didn't even bother with it. I had some awful days and it was hard so I understand the frustatraion hun. Just step out of the house. Park? Stores? A drive for some ice cream? Coffee? Etc... have baby sleep in the stroller/car. The way I would handle it is make sure the first morning nap was done at home in his crib, sometimes nap 2 as well. Then I purposely left the house to avoid the stress of putting down for more naps ::) .....also, if settling down for a nap took longer than 20 mins (since my toddler was downstairs or away too long) I just took baby out and tried again in another 15/20 mins. They are inevitably OT more often than not anyway ;) ..i wouldnt stay locked up in a dark room... after 15/20 with no success, i took him out of the room and attempted a few mins later.
Hope this helps and hugs!! It's very hard those first few months. But enjoy them. They go by too fast :)
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Thank you :)! I would just put them in the car and go out but he's crying constantly I can't put him down to even get dressed or eat! And I feel like if I just met him do another cn on the go that I'm going to regret it later and that he just needs one good restful sleep ya know. I'm a slave to naps and I hate it. I'm also having a hard time dealing with the crying it's so stressful and upsetting. He's been up since 840 it's 145! Does that really happen? I do keep trying to put him down every so often but no luck. He just cries and cried and cried so do i
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Do you have a sling/wrap/carrier? I would just strap him on if you can and see if he'll take a longer nap that way. It doesn't give you much of a break but it might get some sleep into him ya know?
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He finally slept in my arms for 1.5 430-6! Yay but now I'm not sure when to put him to bed. He's still in my arms in and out of sleep yawning. Maybe I should try to feed and put to bed.
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I'm sorry hun. Plenty of hugs your way ...it sure is frustrating but one thing is for sure- this will pass!
Yes I had that many times when he had been up and just didn't nap and was crying for what seemed like forever! ....just comfort as often as you can or see why he's crying. Does he have reflux or anything that could be causing discomfort?
Xo
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No not that I know of. He's always been a bit fussy. I guess it's just the ot now. thank you for your help though I appreciate it :)
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Yesterday we finally got some naps after a few days without any. One was 20 minutes two were 30 minutes each and one was one hour. But then he was up from 3 o'clock until he passed out at bedtime at six. Today he took a 45 minute nap from 730 to 815!! Which was great for him. Still having an issue with the feedings not lining up. He wasn't due to eat until 10 o'clock but was due for a nap at 9:45 it takes him about 25 minutes to eat and the earliest I can get him to eat is 945. Which brings is a time to two hours. This morning I have to take his brother to the doctor so I can't put him down for a nap I have to just hope he'll sleep in the car. When that happens when do you put them down for the next nap?
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We just got back from dr and she said that he was probably teething and it was affecting sleep to give him Tylenol !
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Hello- hope the teething meds work :)
When you have errands, and he takes a short nap on the go, just reduce the next A time
:)
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He did good today 3 45 min naps one 30 min nap in the car so not bad. Average 1.5 A time. I would swaddle him put him in crib and stand next to it and sing softly and he fell asleep. The only thing was his feedings were off because of the naps and he was due to eat at 6 o'clock but he was so tired that He fell a sleep after 2 ounces so I expect he'll be up sooner than later to eat.
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I still keep getting a few 30 min naps and one or two 40-45 min naps. I feel like all I do is get him ready for a nap and then turn around and get him and start over 1.5 later. And I'm still having bedtime struggles where he falls asleep after eating I put him down and a few mins later he's crying. I go in pick him up and he falls back. He does this sometimes over the course of an hour I can't figure out why. Unless it's just an ot buildup? In total day time sleep he's only getting 2.5 hrs!
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The BT stuff does sound like OT buildup. Honestly, 30-45min naps were frequent here with both my LOs, DD sorted hers out around 4.5 months and DS around 6 months. The best thing you can do is just try to keep with age appropriate A times (which you are) and try to resettle where possible. If you can't resettle because you have other LOs at home, you have an appointment to make or whatever, then shorten the next A slightly and keep on with the day. I know how frustrating it is hun, and some days it is easy to accept the short naps and move on, and other days you are just desperate for them to take a long nap. How have the nights been recently?
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Today he took an hour nap after a 2 hr A time which makes it even harder to figure out lol! It's hard to resettle mostly because he wakes happy not crying if that makes sense. Nights are good he's waking once around 2-245 am and then again at 6 for the day. But going to sleep is tricky with him waking so much at first and crying. But every night is still very different even when I think he's getting on a schedule he'll go and wake at 1 and then 430-5 am.
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Hmmm makes me wonder if he needs a wee bump in A time? Especially if when he wakes he isn't crying, sounds like UT possibly. He's 13 weeks now? Maybe try a 1.40hr A time. I found this stage super tricky with A times until we got to a consistent 2hr A time/4hr EASY, I found being off by even 5mins made a difference which was super annoying because then you are trying to clock watch with other LOs running around...not 'easy' lol
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As I have mentioned before hun, this is very common and developmental. I did say mine didn't get longer naps until the 5/6 mth range as well. You also had mentioned to me you are unable to resettle naps and it can be tough with other siblings at home.
I too remember having a difficult time around that age. It's just easier when they can handle longer A times hun. For now, as I had told you before- anyway you can get baby to sleep, just go for it. He needs the rest and if it means going out for car rides, wearing him, taking him out on a stroll then by all means!
I remember purposely making sure I left the house and stayed out JUST to avoid even doing any naps at home. It was extra work I was over doing and it was always just stressful. Especially as the day went on the naps were always a tad more difficult.
As Lindsay said, and I had mentioned to you as well, try and stick to the "AVERAGE" A times as best as you can. It's frustrating to say the least! I hear ya! I was just there a few months ago. But the best solution is just getting out and about... napping on the go. My thing was to try and get at least the morning nap at home, in his crib (I started doing naps in his crib around 3.5 mths if I remember correctly. One at a time) ...since it is the most restorative. If I could I would try for nap 2 also but I PURPOSELY left the house after that. I did not want to handle or deal with naps ;) haha! It really helped.
Hugs! Xo
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Well our naps are gradually increasing he still takes 30 min naps but I've gotten some 50 min naps most recently with an average A time of 1 hr 25 mins. But I'm starting to get more frequent night Wakings. I usually feed and put him to sleep around 6/630 being that he doesn't sleep much during the day by 6 he passes out but he's been waking to eat around 10-11 pm then last night up again at 430 and fell back until 545 almost like his first nap!
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Another night with the same waking times one hour after he goes to bed when he's clearly asleep and must be ot he will cry then at 1130 pm, 4 am and 550 am! Ugh he's def hungry and eating so I'm hoping it's just the growth spurt it's just tough because he's still only sleeping under 3 hours risk during the day and usually doesn't nap at all past 3/4 pm. Any tips? He's drooling and very vocal too lately!
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I would say that 2 NW at this age is very normal so I would just feed and back to sleep. As for the 5am EW, if BT if 6/6:30pm then that is an 11hr night so I really wouldn't expect WU to be any later than that, so it's not a "true" EW ifkwim? I would often AP a CN at 4/4:30 to make it to a later BT, I'd just rock her or wear her in a sling or whatever just to get us through.
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He always did the 6 pm bedtime and slept at least until 630 its just that he's not going back very long after the 4/430 feed. He used to go to sleep at 6/630 wake once at 2/3 then up around 6 so this feels like a step backwards. Today he took a two-hour nap I don't think he's ever done that from 215 to 415 so he's eating now at 430 when should I do bedtime? Oh I've tried to wear him out to Swing to get him through later in the day but he just ends up passing out by six no matter what and then it's worse because he won't eat
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Wow it's amazing what good naps can do for night sleep! He slept from 7 until 430 I fed him and he went back to bed until 7!! Hope we get a good day here again ! Even with his last A time being almost 3 hrs! I guess that 2 hour nap was just what he needed.
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Fantastic! So happy you got a good night :). There will be lots of times you feel like you are going backwards, especially when nearing that 4 month regression. Naps will get better, as long as you keep along with the A times there comes a point when they get there developmentally and are able to connect cycles and take a good nap.
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Not a great napping day so far. I've noticed as soon as we walked into his room to go down for a nap he starts crying
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Could possibly mean he's UT, what A times are you at now?
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At every nap today even bedtime he cried beforehand and he never does. On average 1.5 hrs A time although I got a 40 min, 35 min, 25 min then a 50 min nap today. Ugh why is this so hard. Then it makes bedtime pretty early.
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Do u think he's too young to be on set nap times or 2 hr A time? I'm desperate. He went to bed at 615 was up at 945 took 6 oz then up again at 3 took 4 oz and up for the day at 540!
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Most don't transition to a 2hr A time until around 4 months but if you think he is LSN or has higher than average A times you can push a bit to see.
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I tried And I'm getting 40/45 min naps!
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Just got a 25 min! I'm losing my mind!
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I found with both of mine getting over short naps was largely developmental. All you can really do is try to keep up with age appropriate A times and try to settle (if you can) and if not then move forward with the day. I know how hard it is hun, it's incredibly frustrating but it will get better :) He is 3 months? I would try to just stick with a 1.5-1.40hr A time and hold it for a few days.
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Ok I'll give it a try. Today we were out most of the day so just a few catnaps which means he might make it to 6pm tops. Last night he went to sleep at 645 was up again at 945 ate an entire bottle up again at 145 ate again and up again at 530! I'm exhausted its like he's a newborn again!
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I know it's hard hun, the exhaustion really gets to you and it's especially hard when naps are short so you don't get a break. I really don't think 2 NF at this age is unreasonable though, and again the 5:30am WU is after an 11hr night, so I'm not sure much can be done there unfortunately. He's around 14/15 weeks now? I think I was a little off on his age before, I would try a 1.45hr A time as you are probably starting to get close to the 4hr EASY - I found once DD was on a solid 2hr A time her naps really improved, but for DS it was unfortunately after the 3-2 and was more like 6/7 months.
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Yes we are at 1 hr 45 min average a time. Hes been going to sleep around 630/645 waking around 1045/1145 eats 6 oz then wakes again around 445 eats another 5 oz but he did go back to sleep until 715/30. He's not interested in eating for a while after he wakes but I to go get him to take some before we have to get in the car at 845 for school drop off then it's tricky trying to keep him awake until we get home for nap today he fell asleep in car and I managed to get him out of car seat info crib didn't even Swaddle him (which will be a first ) and he stayed asleep 2 hr A time. It's still tricky trying to get into some routine.
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We got a 30 min nap!
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The school runs are hard to work around, I know! That first nap was probably a bit OT but I doubt there is much you can probably do about it working around the school run schedule. Once he's a bit older it shouldn't affect that morning nap so much as A times will be longer.
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I'm still getting 30 min naps with the occasional 1 hr- 1.5. The other day he did four 30 min naps! Ugh. Still also waking at night frequently. More so when the naps are bad I guess ot. Last night he went to bed at 7 he was up at 10, 1, 3 and 630! 16 weeks old now when will he start sleeping?! Day or night? I'm exhausted. He's def teething and is also a bit congested which I think is causing the waking. It's always something.
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And to be honest after putting him down for 3 30 mins naps winding down, new diaper, singing rocking buy the 4th nap I just don't feel like doing it all for another 30 min snooze. These are the days I wish I had sidewalks to take him in stroller for a quick cn
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Sorry hun, my DD has been really sick so I haven't been on much this week. I will try to get some extra eyes on this for you. I found that things didn't become really consistent for us until we were solidly on a 4hr routine, and then once through the 3-2 things were stable 90% of the time. We did have a period where it was 30min naps no matter what too, so I know it's so hard! Do you think he's ready to push to a 4hr EASY?
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He's going to be 4 months this week and I'm at my wits end! I can't get him to take more than 30 mins ever! I've tried 1.5-2 hrs A time and he has been feeding more around 3.5 sonetimes 4. The past two days we go up for a nap do our routine ( he is still swaddled) I sit with him for a bit sing a song or two his eyes close and I put him in crib and he usually falls asleep but the past two days he doesn't he stays wide awake. Yesterday he took one nap. He was a mess! I took him in the car to finally get a cn. Now he's not napping at all! How is this even possible?!
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This morning he was up at 5! Early since the clocks changed and I couldn't get him down for nap until 730. Everything his eyes closed I'd put him down leave the room and he would be up talking. It took me three times and then he slept 30 mins 730-8 so this makes a 4 hr easy hard to do. I'll come home after school drop off and feed him at 930 (he ate at 630) then try to put down for nap. I've even tried unswaddling but he just looks at me as if he doesn't recognize that it's nap time. So I think I'll hold off
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Aw hun I'm sorry, I know how hard it is, my DS was a chronic short napper until 6/7 months and I do remember days where he didn't nap the entire day. After days like that I'd take a day and AP every nap in the car so he at least got some sleep into him. He does sound OT so I wonder if you can just AP some naps today just to help him catch up?
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He honestly doesn't seem ot not yet anyways. Just put him down for second nap he falls asleep for about 10 mins and wakes up?! He's in his crib now talking away. I just don't know why or what to do? Not sure why he won't stay asleep. What could it be?
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He honestly doesn't seem ot not yet anyways.
If he went an entire day with only 1 nap I'd say he's probably OT, especially if he's fighting sleep/waking after 10mins, that's usually a sign even if they aren't in that OT 'meltdown' mode yet.
Just put him down for second nap he falls asleep for about 10 mins and wakes up?! He's in his crib now talking away. I just don't know why or what to do? Not sure why he won't stay asleep. What could it be?
For now I would stay with him until you know he's in a deep sleep, you may need to revert back to shh/pat for now to make sure he's getting past those cycles
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Shh pat never worked with him because he'd wake after 30 mins happy and wide awake. He just woke after 20 mins! Another 2 hr A time. Now when should I try for next nap? How long should I stay with him before putting him in his crib?
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I'd reduce the next A to maybe 1.40 hr and hopefully the OT hasn't set in. Does he fall asleep independently?
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He normally does. We go into his room (he naps in his crib but at night is in my room) I swaddle him and sit with him sing a few songs in a dark room white noise etc and when his eyes start to close I put him in crib and leave the room and he usually falls right out (for 30 mins). Yesterday when I was frustrated and just decided to go out with him but he ended being hysterical most of the time.
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Well last night he was so tired that I put him to bed unswaddled! He woke once crying about an hour later but slept from 6pm-415 am!! Ate then back to bed until 7! I'm sure it's probably because he's exhausted from days of no naps but fingers crossed we are making progress. The other thing I noticed yesterday if he's trying to roll over from back to belly he did it once or twice but most of the time ended up on his side which is why I didn't swaddle last night. But I'm thinking maybe the new development has something to do with the awful sleeping. He also fell asleep for a few mins in the car this morning at school drop off and i was able to transfer him to his crib once again no swaddle and he stayed asleep! It's been about ten mins now!
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Great news! 4 months is honestly the pits for sleep. Swaddle weaning, major developmental milestones, growth spurts...it literally all happens at once. You're not alone!!
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It's good to know I'm not alone although I feel that way lol! I can't seem to get him down before 2 hrs 20 mins!! And then today he took a 20/25 min nap!!! Ahhh!!
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Before every nap there's s lot of crying and squirming in my arms. Any other suggestions for naptime routine? I'm about to lose my mind. And I can't be putting him down for 30 mins when I have a 3 yr old downstairs waiting for me getting into stuff it's very stressful.
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He used to do 4-5 30 mins naps now we are down to 3 20 min naps for the day!
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Can you post your EASY from yesterday, or what you've done so far today just so I can see where you are at? Are you still swaddling or no? Have you tried the 1-arm swaddle? I believe 20 min naps are either OS or OT usually. I remember my DS did the 20-min stints too...awful!
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Well we've been doing a 2 hr A time but he's hard to figure out. His patterns are so inconsistent still. Even at night. He might go down at 6/7 wake either at 1130/1230 or sleep until 2/3! He's been hysterical before his naps lately. Today i finally got him to sleep and he woke hysterical again 10 mins later fell asleep briefly in my arms while eating later on and now is up until early bedtime as usual. I just haven't been able to find that sweet spot where you say oh ok he does great with 1 hr 45 mins because it's different everyday. Today he took almost a 1 hr 20 min nap first nap then a 30 min nap 2 hrs later and then nothing except that cn rest of the day. I guess I was just hoping by 4 months that he would have somewhat of a routine.
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The one thing lately that's killing me is trying to get him down for a nap he cries and squirms it's awful. This morning he was up at 615 by 8 I took him up as he seemed to be getting fussy. It took me until 840 to get him to sleep which is hard to do with a toddler 4 times a day. It's so stressful for everyone :(
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He sounds a bit UT to me hun, a 1.20hr nap is usually UT and combined with fighting sleep it seems like UT behavior. I think what I would do is stick to a minimum 2hr A time unless the nap is short then reduce slightly. I think if you dip under 2hrs then you are never going to get over the jump and onto a 4hr EASY, yk? I know it's super hard nothing having anything consistent, it started to settle and become more routine for us at around 4.5 months with DD, when we stuck to a 2hr A time no matter what. DS was more like 6/7 months after we were through the 3-2.
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We do stick to a 2 hr a time sometimes more. Today he was up at 645 and he went down for nap easily at 9 but only slept for 30 mins! That's what I can't figure out or nip. When he does go down easier his nap is short. What is a 4 hr easy like? As of now he eats every 3.5 hrs. Last night he slept from 630 pm until 415 am ate then back to sleep until 645 then ate at 8 am. So I'll probably feed at 1130 and then put down
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Honestly hun, if A times are age appropriate and he's an independent sleeper I'm not sure there is anything we can "do" or "fix" ya know? If you set the scene with wind down, use proper A times, independent sleep, and naps are still short I think it is just a matter of him developmentally learning how to sleep longer. I absolutely found that was the case with both mine anyway, no amount of analyzing and tweaking was going to solve it before they were developmentally ready to do it.
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Today he slept for 2 hrs from 1130-130 guess he's catching up for the past month of no naps. But when do I do next nap?
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I would try next nap at 3:30/45.
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I did and no luck can't get him down its now 430 not sure what to do