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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: labrodyk on December 19, 2016, 01:25:23 am
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Hi ladies!
I've been going around in circles for months but AJ is finally able to get to around 11.30am for her nap. I'm not sure what time she wakes as she quietly sucks her thumb and we get her out of bed between 7 and 7.30am. She's been napping around 2 (sometimes 2.5 hours) and on occasion only 1hr20min. I've been aiming for a 7pm bedtime but the time it takes her to fall asleep is considerable. On a good night it's 20 minutes, others 30minutes and recently it's been exhaustion by 7pm and she looks like she's drifting off, only to get a second wind whilst in bed and be awake for over an hour. She does have a tendency to scream when I put her down at night (same at nap time but this is decreasing) and i've wondered why she does this.
I'm aiming for 5hrs A time before bed, but would you recommend I put her in bed at say 4.5hr A to be asleep by 7? Not sure how best to approach it and allow her to sleep well.
Nap today was only 11.35-1.10, what is the best way to deal with short naps. PD at 6 and hope for the best or PD at 5.30 and hope she's asleep by 6pm?
I ended up putting her in bed at 6.20pm which she screamed at me for leaving the room, was brief, but she still didn't fall completely asleep until 6.50pm or 7pm at the latest. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference when I PD, it still takes her a while...
Thank you!
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Hi :)
How long has it been that she is going for her nap at 11.30am? Is it a few days or more like a few weeks?
Just wondering if she might do better with a slightly later nap time to help that nap reach 2hrs every day and keep her better rested.
The fussing at nap could be a touch UT. The fussing and second wind at BT though, well I can see it could be either UT (in which case I'd just move BT a bit later so there is less fuss) or a touch OT because she is sometimes having these short naps. Whether UT or OT I'd aim for a set BT really, LOs this age seem to do better with a set time, so I'd just start where you think is roughly right and do that time every night and see how it goes - you can always move the "set" time to a bit earlier or later depending how things pan out.
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Hi creations! You've helped me so much the last few years with my older son and now Audrey. Really appreciate it.
I can't tell you how long it's taken us to reach this point. I feel like we have been in the 2-1 for months but only this past week has she pulled some long naps. So I'd say a week, the first few days she did almost 2.5hrs. She is restless during her naps though and rolls around a LOT sucking her thumb so hopefully it is somewhat restorative. I thought that today, perhaps I need a change in routine but having only really pushed through with 1 nap for a little over a week, I was hesitant. How much should I move the nap time and would I give lunch before or after? I've been offering a large snack.
She's also cutting 4 molars, points of each tooth have broken the skin but they're not entirely through. I've been medicating before nap time.
Set bedtime is probably where I need to get to but not sure how I go about doing that. 7pm doesn't seem unreasonable, I just hate her being OT, especially after a short nap.
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Hmm..if she's only really been settled on this routine a week I am not sure I would change it much. Perhaps 10 mins later on the nap just to see what happens? If she OT wakes at 20/30 mins though you'll need to put some time in to make her go back to sleep as she won't last all day on that. It sounds like you need this nap at least 2hrs to get her through the day.
I also wonder if a bit of an earlier BT might help. Maybe more like 6.30pm - what length nights has she usually done?
Those teeth will certainly be disturbing her to it is hard to tell what's needed in the routine - it's always like this though, so many things happen at once, if only we could deal with them one at a time!
As for lunch, just fit in in anywhere you can. Many do split lunches half before nap and half after. Mine had a huge "snack" (substantial) at 10.30/11 for a good while although I forget exactly what age that was at.
What do you think? nap at 11.40 instead of 11.30, and a 6.30pm BT? It's just a suggestion of somewhere to start really.
Also those naps shorter than 2hrs - any chance you can resettle them?
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Is that asleep by 11.40 and 6.30, or PD at those times?
I'll squeeze a large snack in there somewhere as per what we've been doing, I might try a bit of savoury lunch just to make sure she's truly full.
Resettling hasn't been our strong suit. Mainly because she doesn't wake up crying, she just sucks her thumb. If she is going to short nap it will be 40 minutes or 1hour20minutes. She doesn't cry out but chat and then roll around sucking her thumb seemingly trying to resettle. If I go in to her it's game over! Jumps up and runs around the cot. She very rarely does an OT short nap and can't fall back to sleep eventually herself (having said that now, she will likely do that today 😂).
If there are any suggestions of how to resettle I can definitely try...
Car trips she will always short nap so that makes this 1 nap routine pretty disastrous if we need to go anywhere because she's not one to fall asleep early in the car anymore.
Today turned out like this;
WU: ?
Nap: 11.30; asleep 11.35! - 1.58.
^ She was positively miserable all morning. Would not stop crying so I didn't get the opportunity to extend much further than usual. Not sure of her WU but she also randomly slept solidly for the first 1hr20min and then sucked her thumb for the remainder of the nap.
BT: 6.30; screamed on PD. Asleep 7.10pm.
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Is that asleep by 11.40 and 6.30, or PD at those times?
If she is usually asleep at 11.30 then it's to be asleep by 11.40 instead, just an extra 10 (or 15) mins A time. Same at BT, asleep at 6.30pm.
It looks like she is getting two sleep cycles in the nap of 1hr 20 which is not enough for her, this is also what my DS did when UT. Adding an extra bit of time on could help her be just that bit more tired, tired enough to transition to the third cycle and get 2hrs instead of 1hr 20. The 2hrs made all the difference for us, it helps get through enough hours in the day and he was properly rested.
I'm cautious to suggest adding a lot of A on though as you've only been at 11.30 for a short while...but sometimes you just have to guess and try, if she can get that third sleep cycle then it's worth it.
She doesn't cry out but chat and then roll around sucking her thumb seemingly trying to resettle. If I go in to her it's game over! Jumps up and runs around the cot.
This sounds like UT behaviour. She is somewhat tired and kind of wants to go back to sleep but can't and then prefers to get up and play rather than keep trying. If my guess is right the extra 10 mins or so will prevent her waking at all and then she doesn't have to try to get back to sleep.
If there are any suggestions of how to resettle I can definitely try...
If she is usually able to settle herself from an OT nap and just go back to sleep then you don't need to resettle.
With mine, when he dropped to one nap, I had to "tell" him to sleep as he had horrible 20 min naps and woke every 20 mins throughout his 2hr nap. He would have been happier (for a short while)if I'd got him up but knowing he wouldn't go for a second nap later in the day meant I absolutely had to stick it out and "make" him sleep. it wasn't particularly pretty during that phase. I then worked out I could W2S every 20 mins and he didn't fully wake and scream, the W2S with my hand on him helped him to resettle/stay asleep. I only went in for about 1-2 min and back out the room again, it was very fast but vital at that time. If her naps doesn't lengthen with the slightly later nap you could try this, creep in when she is still asleep and put a hand on her or be ready, hovering with your hand just above her for the first sign of transition/waking and pat/rub/stroke/sooth her through to the next cycle. You'd probably need to go in at 1hr 30 or 1hr 35 to be ready and so as not to disturb her.
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Thank you Creations!
So today I counted that as a proper 2hr+ nap but after PD at 6.30 she wasn't asleep until 7.10. Should I have aimed for 6pm bed to be asleep by 6.30?
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Should I have aimed for 6pm bed to be asleep by 6.30?
Not necessarily.
It's hard to tell from your EASYs just yet when her ideal BT would be.
On the shorter nap she seemed OT by 7pm and got a second wind. But this refusal at 6.30 after a good nap could be a touch of UT. On the other hand if it always takes her 30+ mins to fall to sleep and she usually fusses at BT then if could just be her temperament.
How about for now put down at 6.30 and see what happens over a few days? If after a few days she is napping well and refusing BT then maybe move it a touch later and see if her fussing reduces. What do you think?
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I'll stick with it a few days and come back and see what you think :)
Thank you so much!
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You're welcome :)
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Hi Creations!
ive been doing my best but worried I'm missing something. Last 2 days of naps have been super short and disrupted mid nap... Today in particular she was quite tired and yawning from 9am. I can't see how she is UT. Mornings and afternoons are getting quite hard on all of us too.
Wednesday 21-Dec
WU: 7.13 (12hrs!)
Nap: 11.38 PD; 11.44-1.20.
BT: 6.00; 6.20 practically asleep then seemed to wake up - chatting/squealing. Asleep 6.40.
Thursday 22-Dec
WU: 6.30-7.00? OOB at 7.00
Nap: 11.35 PD; 11.44-11.26, 12.30-1.10. Got her up at 2.00pm
^^ how can I resettle if she's awake, sitting and standing up?
BT: 6.00 PD; 6.50 asleep
^ fussed when I put her down and screamed when I left the room. I gave nurofen as I was giving a cuddle before putting in cot as she's been drooling terribly all day.
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If she's doing a good 12 hr night she could be showing tired signs in the morning due to being well-slept. I know it sounds crazy but well rested LOs can yawn and rub their eyes like they are sleepy. Do you remember what a lie in feels like? I used to look and feel more tired after a long lie than I did if I got up early (pre baby obviously! ha)
She's getting a better night sleep so she might well need a slightly later nap. When she was refusing BT (possibly OT) and then having a NW of an hour or so she was missing that sleep. If she is now getting that sleep then she might be UT for the nap. I would move it another 10-15 mins later. Say 12 noon.
I think I'd be tempted to put down for BT a touch later too. Maybe down at 6.30 for a 7pm sleep?
So:
WU ? 6-7am
S 12 - 2
BT 6.30/7
Don't forget those teeth can really disturb naps and nights too. Getting a decent night is a real bonus really. When they cut you might see lots of NWs which might appear like OT but can turn out not to be routine linked. Maybe try some meds 20 mins before nap time.
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Thank you Creations! I'll try again tomorrow to be asleep by 12 noon. I've been medicating before naps so will keep doing so, I haven't seen so much saliva since she was tiny. Her shirts and dribble bibs are completely drenched.
Will aim for 6.30 PD too, she just seemed so tired! I only put down at 6 because I was worried she was OT.
The NW'S you mention, are they from teeth once they've cut? Do I just wait for those to pass??
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Today was a very short nap
WU: 6.55
Nap: 11.53 PD; 12.00-1.10 asleep. Stirred after 35 minutes but settled. OOB at 2.00.
BT: 6.25; 7.00 asleep
She was very tired before and after nap and screamed at me when I put in bed and left the room...
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Some LOs seem to teeth without pain and the teeth just pop out and the first parents know is that they see them. Mine was not like that though and I think most get some sort of pain. For us there was general disturbance (yes NWs) when teeth were on the move. The sort of disturbance which was helped with some pre-BT meds and going to him to help him settle again in the night. The actual cutting, when they break through the gum, that was on a whole different level, that would be absolute screaming and up half the night, meds didn't seem to touch it although I did give pre-BT meds and saved a dose for the night too (we used paracetamol and ibuprofen, timing each and writing down what I gave and when to keep track). The cutting nights were so bad I even brought him back out of his bedroom and back downstairs which has only happened maybe 6 times in his entire life. Literally finding anything to give him some comfort, we watched pre-recorded kids TV and cuddled in a dim room to try to take his mind off the pain and get him sleepy again. Letting kids watch TV after BT is *not* something I would do lightly, yk? For us it would be about 3 nights of hell, then slightly better again as the teeth finished cutting and were only moving, so back to lower level disturbance.
We had teeth moving and cutting the whole way through the second year. Certainly I know other people who have had pretty much the same, and others who have not had anywhere near this level of disturbance, I think it just depends on the LO.
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Wow, okay, sounds like you've experienced how I experienced teething with my first son! Audrey seems similar. We have the molars to keep cutting through then canines and then 2yo molars. Oh my goodness. I should buy shares in nurofen.
Is it likely the short nap from 12pm is OT or pain? I gave the meds but she was pretty miserable. No NW's as yet.
Overnight last night she did cry out about 4.45am but seemed to settle back okay without me and fell back to sleep from around 6am until 7am...
Friday 23-Dec
WU: 6.55
Nap: 11.53 PD; 12.00-1.10 asleep. Stirred after 35 minutes but settled. OOB at 2.00.
BT: 6.25; 7.00 asleep
Saturday 24-Dec
WU: 6.30 or earlier
Nap: 11.50; 12.00-1.25
BT: 6.25 PD, asleep 7.25 (an hour!)
Am I doing something really wrong? She was too tired to eat lunch at 11.30 today and she just whinged and cried from well before 11am. Bedtime seems like such a long time for her to fall asleep and cuts into her night sleep especially as she woke earlier this morning.
If we don't speak before, Merry Christmas to you and your family! x
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I don't think you are doing anything wrong at all. It just takes time to settle into the routine and with those teeth on the move too...it's only been a few days trying this set nap and BT really.
There might come a point when she is very very tired and needs a catch up nap - either she'll do a long nap in the day or nod off in the car/pram etc for a few mins or more.
You could try a W2S at 1pm mid nap, either give her a little nudge to kick start a new sleep cycle or wait for the transition and pat her through it. She could really do with the 2hr nap which she isn't quite getting but I think that will settle down eventually.
Merry Christmas to you and your family too - you're bound to have some off track days now too!
xx
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It's Christmas day tomorrow and she's woken at 10.30pm and is wide awake. Sucking her thumb, rolling around and staring at the ceiling for the last 1hour and 20 minutes and isn't showing any sign of going back to sleep .
She's now woken for the day at 5.55.
Wow, what is going on?
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Hope you got through the Christmas period... maybe she was up waiting for Santa ;)
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Bahahahahahaha, probably was! My older son was up at 1.30, then 5.30 until I finally gave in and got up at 7.
I'm just still finding mid morning from 9am really difficult and keep second guessing myself as to AJ's sleep needs. Christmas day and the 2 naps just cement how hard it is to do now but she's so grumpy and wants her comforter toy, walks around thumb sucking, falling down a lot and showing the usual tired signs.
She's also too tired to eat any lunch but I don't want her going down on an empty stomach.
Strangely tonight was the quickest she's fallen asleep and she didn't scream at me - asleep after 5hr20min A, but not sure what length you'd call her nap?
Saturday 24-Dec
WU: 6.30 or earlier
Nap: 11.50; 12.00-1.25
BT: 6.25 PD, asleep 7.25!!
NW: 10.30-12.00
Sunday 25-Dec
wu: 5.55
Nap: 10.15 pd, 10.20ish - 11.50 asleep
Nap: 5.15-5.40
BT: 9.00 PD; heard her chatting at 9.30
Monday 26-Dec
Wu: ?
Nap: 12.00-1.20 (Apop on the beach then patted through second cycle)
BT: 7.20; chatting then called out just before 8pm. Asleep by 8.20pm
Tuesday 27-Dec
WU: ? oob at 7.45, I slept in!!
Nap: 11.50 PD (tired and cranky all morning), asleep by 12.05-1.25/2.00 but rolling around, dozing off and on for the last 40 minutes.
BT: 7.00; 7.20 asleep!
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Hmm... you're just not getting more than the two sleep cycles are you?
Have you tried W2S at about 1hr 10 into the nap to see if you can help her through the transition?
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Hi Creations!
I'm really not getting this right... I have a feeling that if I put her down earlier she would sleep for 2-3 hours but then I'd be left with a super long A to bed. She's exhausted even when we are out by 10am. I did an earlier bedtime tonight but it completely backfired and she took 50 minutes to finally fall asleep. Is PD at BT too early regardless of nap length?
No, we can't seem to break that 2 sleep cycle barrier. It'd also really tough because as a thumb sucker it's like having a dummy. She has two stages of sleep, one where her eyes are shut, she's still but sucking her thumb and the other is her arms out to the sides, no sucking. She will drift between these two states with no real pattern during a given nap, switching between the two every 10 minutes or more sometimes so I struggle to believe she's well rested at all. I tried W2S today but it was hard to judge at what point she was in her sleep cycle. When I went in the wouldn't stir at all but I was SO scared of waking her perhaps I didn't do it well enough....
Wednesday 28-Dec
WU: 7.15
Nap: 11.50 PD, asleep 12.00/maybe 12.20? - 1.38 (cry out). Rolled around until 2pm when she started crying.
^ tried w2s at 1.10 but wouldn't stir and too scared to keep trying.
BT: 6.28 PD, screamed when I left and then started crying again by 6.39. not asleep until 7.20
^ normally she snuggles up when we read our last book (same one each night) but tonight she cried and kept closing it and wanted to pull others off the book shelf...
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Nap: 11.50 PD, asleep 12.00/maybe 12.20? - 1.38 (cry out). Rolled around until 2pm when she started crying.
^ tried w2s at 1.10 but wouldn't stir and too scared to keep trying.
Can you perhaps be ready with her dummy and re-plug as she starts to stir at around the 1hr 10/20 mark then put a hand on her and say a key phrase, "go to sleep" or similar?
I'm really not getting this right... I have a feeling that if I put her down earlier she would sleep for 2-3 hours but then I'd be left with a super long A to bed.
YK. If you feel she would nap better then give this a try.
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I could try and be with her but I can't put her thumb in her mouth... I don't think she'd do well with me there but up for anything at this point.
Maybe not 3 hours but for a few days I got 2.5hrs from 11.30 but that was a big push... As I said, she acts visibly grumpy and tired very early in the morning.
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YK. If you feel she would nap better then give this a try.
Hmm, so did this today following cues and she was asleep in 5 minutes but was so restless. PD 11.10, 11.15 asleep. Stirred and rolled around, sucking her thumb at 30, 40, 50,60 minutes,1hr10,1hr.15 awake then dozed until 12.30/12.45.
BT: 5.55 PD, 6.40 asleep!
^ cried again during books! Very tired and falling asleep but fighting it so hard! Must have got a second wind as she started standing up in the cot, rolling around, then chatting with her eyes wide open, cried out sporadically.
I really don't understand what else I can do? Surely 12pm is more than late enough with wake up of 6-7am? She's 15mo on the 7th Jan if that makes any difference. We are still medicating day and night and I'm getting worried about overuse now... The bottom molars seem to be through but only certain bits of the top.
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OK. Looks like she wasn't able to settle well for the earlier nap.
It may be time to accept that she is only going to do the 2 cycles and a nap of 1hr 20 for a while, it might extend on it's own.
Or really give W2S a go even though you are scared of waking her.
Or put down for nap another 10 mins later and see if it helps. although she will be very tired if it can get her that 2hr sleep overall she'd be better rested.
Certainly understand the feeling of over medicating. If you are concerned pop in to your pharmacist or GP to check it's okay to continue. I used meds for teething longer than the pack instructions but was also advised by the paediatrician at the hospital that it was okay for my DS especially as he had fevers through teething.
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OK, I'm going to just have to push through with nap at midday then I assume? I feel so sorry for her because it is such a push and she gets quite upset and tired.
I think I might also stick with PD into bed at 7pm and hope she's asleep by 7.30, even with a short nap. Could that cause biggrr issues than I already have?
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If you don't feel comfortable with a slightly later nap (I agree it has moved considerably over the last ten days or so, from 11.30 to 12) there is no harm in keeping it where it is, it's a set nap time after all. She hasn't had this routine for particularly long and set nap/BT routines do take a while to settle down. I suppose looking at your first post, you said she was napping 2hrs, sometimes 2.5 and sometimes 1hr 20 and I've been thinking that she must be able to get back to the 2hr nap but yk she might do that on her own without any movement of nap time and instead just being able to regular her own sleep with the set times.
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I'll just follow her lead for a few days and see what happens. Ours days are so crazy and so is bedtime but there is no way of getting 2 naps in so will just stick with one somewhere around 11.30 and bedtime 7/7.30.
I'll keep medicating as well and give w2s a go as well. I might try and make a bit more noise around the house during her nap and see if that helps.
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Good luck!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
so, winging it isn't really working. Still taking 1hr20 minute nap and is positively miserable. Bedtime is a mess and whilst she sleeps well through the night, the day is so much hard work. She whinges and cries and wants constant attention and interaction....
Thurs 29-Dec
WU: 6.40
Nap: 11.10 PD, 11.15-1.45 broken every 10 minutes or so.
BT: 5.55 PD, 6.40
^ cried again during books! Very tired and falling asleep but fighting it so hard! Standing up in the cot, rolling around, then chatting with her eyes wide open.
Friday 30-Dec
Wu: 6.30
nap: 11.15; 11.25-12.45.
^ slept a solid 1hr20 with only the briefest of wakings at 40 minutes
BT: 6.20; 6.55 asleep
^ Screamed and upset for bath and during books and wind down again.
Saturday 31-Dec
WU: ? awake at 6.30, I woke at 7.30 and she was asleep again until 8.30
Nap: 1.44-2.57 on the beach
BT: 8.00 PD, 8.55 asleep.
Sunday 1st-Jan
WU: ?
Nap: 11.55 PD; 12.05 - 1.44
BT: 6.36; 7.36 asleep
^ screamed and cried and kept sitting up. Offered verbal reassurance over monitor but still upset. WI/WO and listened to mantra crying for almost an hour before offering her some more milk. She cried again when put back down but asleep 10 minutes later
And yet, today after a shorter A time, she managed to sleep properly from 12.05-1.55! BT took a while and she cried but for a while but was asleep within 30 minutes.
What should I do?
Monday 2-Jan
WU: 6.30 cried out but fell back to sleep until 7.30
Nap: 11.55; 12.05-1.55
^ 10.15 eye rub, 11.30 rubbing eyes through lunch and through reading books.
BT: 7.00; 7.30 asleep
^ resistance and screamed and cried and stood up but fell asleep in 30 minutes.
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Back to a short nap and taking a ridiculous amount of time to fall asleep at BT.
NW: 2.00. Crying out.
Tuesday 3-Jan
WU: 6.30.
Nap: 11.55 PD; 12.05-1.28. OOB at 2.00
^ was pretty tired after swimming at 10am but didn't sleep in the car despite trying to.
BT: 7.00; 8.00 asleep!!
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Just want to let you know I'll try to stop by tomorrow and read you posts properly.
I'm not very well today and have tried to catch up with a few threads from yesterday but I'm done now x
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Don't be silly, you poor thing. Take some time for you and try and rest as much as you can! Hope you feel better soon.
Our EASY for today was okay, a bit better at bedtime but she is fighting me like nothing else. Wants to keep going and going and going, reading books especially and screams absolute hysterically when I leave the room and then bursts of crying sporadically.
Not as active before nap time but the same screaming resistance...
Wednesday 4-Jan
WU: ? 7.00
nap: 11.58; 12.08-1.34
BT: 6.45; 7.20
Thursday 5-Jan
WU: 6.40, then back to sleep until 8.00
WU: 6.40, then back to sleep until 8.00!
What do I do nap wise when she sleeps in? Keep it at 12 or move it slightly?
The sleeping and screaming is starting to upset me and Audrey's not looking quite so happy and alert during the day. Very clumsy and whinging/crying a a lot.
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Hi again - sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday, turned out I had a vom-virus but I'm getting over it now.
Hmm..so her nap is a bit shorter but she's extending her night. With a longer night she can maybe cope with the shorter nap of 1.5hr rather than 2hr. But you say her mood is not good. If she continues to self regulate like this though her mood could improve. I would hold the nap at 12 as you have been doing. The only thing is that if her later morning WU doesn't suit you (do you have school run to be up and out for?) then I'd put her to bed 30 min or so earlier to allow for the possibility of a longer night. It could be a one-off though this 8am WU where she wants to catch up which is also fine.
I would probably still try to extend that nap with W2S if you can. The 2 hrs in the day would likely help her mood if you can get it. Don't beat yourself up about it though, you're doing everything you can x
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You poor thing Creations! I really hope you're feeling better soon.
I think she may be sick or something because she has terrible diarrhoea, and cried pretty much all day. I gave pain meds because she had soaked through 3 bibs with saliva in just a couple of hours and I can feel the remaining top molar bumps. Not sure if the two are related.
Regardless, after a 4hour A, I out back to bed and she didn't cry and slept 11.58 (11.53 PD) - 1.48pm. BT is 6.55, asleep 7 25. She REALLY doesn't like bedtime either and screams when books are over and when I leave her. She can continue to sulk and cry out for quite some time but I only go back in I'd it's more than just loud cranky mantra crying.
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Oh dear sounds like teething.
YK everything medical I've read on the internet (so it must be true ;) ) says bad nappies are not linked with teething and yet every parent I ever spoke to will swear bad nappies and illness come right along with teething. Mine was ill with all his teeth.
Separately though - I wonder if books might be too stimulating at BT? What do you think?
Lots of people put reading in the BT routine from an early age but mine couldn't cope with a book at BT until he was about 4.5yo. Don't get me wrong, he LOVED books, but we read at any other time of the day, not BT. It just popped into my head how mine would scream his head off during a potty sit and would refuse to get off until I had read ALL 15 books in his book box by the potty, it was draining! I reduced the books down to 2-3, literally removed them from the room, and potty trips were suddenly much better. He had been using his potty trip to get lots of one to one time and lots of book reading, I just made it really clear to him that I was available to read but wanted to sit on the sofa for it, and not by the potty!
Mine could be quite demanding over books tbh wanting more and more an more, he could recognise most of the alphabet by 20 months though and sounded out his first word (which I couldn't believe) at 21 month so all that demand for reading was because his brain wanted the input and development. We just had to make sure it was at a suitable time.
We did reading any time of the day he wanted it and we could accommodate him, plus early in the BT routine (he had a 20 min TV prog at the start of his routine, if he chose to have book reading during this programme and there was an adult available he got it), another book was read to him whilst he was in the bath, after bath though it was PJs, into his room in the dark, 1 song then kiss goodnight and straight to sleep. At my BT I would place a book wedged between his cot rails and mattress so that when he woke in the morning he could "read" to himself for 20 mins before getting up. During morning milk I read to him, he would sit on my knee with his straw-bottle of milk and I'd read a book or 3 and cuddle. We also took books to all appointments, cafes etc so he always had some to read if waiting for something. During the day he would ask for books and I'd pretty much agree whenever it was possible. So you see there was plenty of reading time in the day, just not at BT. I just wonder if your DD is very keen on the books which is making her so demanding and grouchy when you stop? She could end up an early reader - who knows?
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply, I really appreciate it. Is your DS gifted? That is incredible for 20/21 months. Audrey is obsessed - I think i've read 30+ books today!!!
This was our EASY:
Friday 6-Jan
WU: ?. OOB at 7.30
Nap: 11.58; 12.05 - 1.35.
^^ Tried W2S and she sighed and twitched. It's hard to know what stage she is in her sleep cycle as she tends to wake at the 40 minute mark and then take a litle while before drifting off again. So perhaps it wasn't at the 1hr10 mark...
BT: 6.35; 7.25 asleep!
So tonight I removed the books as you suggested and I think it made a difference but she took a long time to fall asleep. I moved bath time back and then got her out and dressed her in her dimly lit room after some moisturiser, into sleeping bag and then held her for a cuddle/prayers/song. She didn't cry at all when I lay her down and left the room but then she rolled around and chatted for 50 minutes!
I did an earlier PD into bed than usual because I'm getting worried about OT, especially in the morning where she seems genuinely tired and cranky. Walking around the house sucking her thumb and whinging over everything.
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When my DS recognised letters, numbers etc I thought all kids did at that age, I had nothing to compare to really. It took me a while to figure out he was a bit ahead of the curve. I don't know about "gifted" though, his nursery teacher put him on the gifted and talented list for the attached school (they don't do G&T in nursery but she expected him to move to their school where they do have a G&T programme) not long after he started nursery when he was 3, and he was already reading fluently then, but he didn't go to that school and where he is at they don't have a G&T programme and don't talk to me about his development. So, I don't know. He is ahead for now but I just tend to think by the time they are 18 no one will care who started reading at what age or at what age they could tell the time etc, yk? Everyone will be able to do it.
Certainly though, what you have said about your DD craving for books, it is just like my DS. 30+ books in a day I can easily believe.
My mum made little flip books from flash cards (a hole in the corner so they all held together on a loop), I wondered what on earth she was bringing this stuff to the house for, letters, numbers, colours, shapes, animal pictures etc...but left to his own devices he would go to his toy/book box and dig them out, bring them to an adult and demand to be told what each one was and when we'd finished he'd just flip it all back to the start and demand again. he had his own choice of toys to play with etc and of course did play with other things but he was SO keen for information he would just complain and complain if we wouldn't do it - just easier to give in and say the words yk?
It sounds like Bt for you was calmer without the books, but still took her a long time to wind down to sleep. She might perhaps have a very active brain whirling away sorting everything out and storing all her memories of the day. I don't have any suggestions for that I'm afraid. Mine generally fell to sleep very quickly (apart from the usual phases) but he often woke in the early part of the night having some sort of developmental dream, once he was verbal I could get a sense of his dreaming by what he shouted out in his sleep (letters, numbers!!), he must have been processing it all in his sleep. Perhaps your DD is processing prior to sleep and it's just her way to take a long time to relax?
Sorry I don't seem to be much help.
I do know though that many LOs moving to one nap do get OT over time and eventually the nap or night lengthen to accommodate the amount of sleep needed, same with the nap drop, they don't seem to get as much as they need to begin with but eventually lengthen the night.
The teething too though - it just goes on and on doesn't it, and as soon as they come into a lighter sleep they wake with the discomfort of teeth moving even if they are not cutting at the time.
Is there any light getting into her room in the morning? Could she sleep later in a darker room?
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That is absolutely incredible, he must keep you in your toes. People say my DS (4 last October) is gifted and he's always been WAY ahead of his peers. Not a reader like yours but has an almost photographic memory. Like you said, I'm not doing anything other than read to him like crazy and assist with 5000 piece puzzles 😱 whose to say that he plateaus and is just like everyone else by the end of kindergarten or even later. One step at a time.
As for AJ and her crazy sleep antics, thank you for your help. My older son Harry was much the same with the crazy wind down before bed, until he dropped the nap and he was asleep so fast it was crazy. That said, the child still naps the second we are in the car and I can often tempt him to lie down in his bed and he will sleep for a good hour.
I just don't want Audrey to be OT because she's no fun. The teeth are crazy but I didn't give pain meds today because I didn't want to keep upsetting her tummy.
Her room could be a bit darker but as we are renting there's not much more I can do - she has black out blind and curtains but still light escapes through.
Should I stick with 7pm PD into bed, without the books? It's just that at 4/5pm she acts pretty tired so I never know what to do... Same for the morning, I pretty much carry her around from 9/9.30am to stop the whining!
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Try half an hour earlier to bed maybe?
I mean I would if mine had a shorter nap than I thought he ought to have but then mine was quite clear when he was UT and I'd know to just try again later, if he needed the early bed time he took it.
Your Harry sounds brilliant. Don't think my DS has attempted a 5000 piece jigsaw yet, I think 1000 is his max so far ;)
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I am partial to a good puzzle so regularly pick up one from our local op-shop (like a charity store in the UK?) and then return once we've finished it. That and Lego...far out I'm about to throw it all out we have so much and he's only 4!
So today we had an interesting day and I can't quite figure it out. It seems that when we put her down earlier she is more likely to attempt more than 2 sleep cycles in the day but then there is a longer A to bed but this isn't consistent each day.
My husband felt really cruel today as he looked after her as he said she was miserable and he couldn't keep her up. Yet when I put her down for bed, she screamed for a few minutes and then cried out every 5 minutes but it was only 20 minutes not 50 like last night until she was asleep.
She turned 15mo today.
Saturday 7-Jan
WU: 7.05 (almost 12 hours)
Nap: 11.25; 11.30-1.00. Woke but resettled some time later until 1.45.
^ based on what my husband says but highly likely she was awake from 1pm and just dozing for the remaining time...i don't know.
BT: 6.4; 7.03
^ screamed when I put her down and cried out every 5 minutes...we didn't do books like you suggested.
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Well, it looks to me like she did a 1.5hr nap on the day you posted where nap was 12 and also a 1.5hr nap on the day you posted where nap was at 11.30 - perhaps she seemed happier going down for it earlier and having the longer A time before BT?
I'm racking my brain for ideas!
The teeth certainly can make kids seem OT and miserable all day, do you have some good teethers she can gnaw on (mine mostly rejected the real teethers and went for a huge plastic letter he gnawed on)? Offering hardish finger foods to get her gums into (it relieves the pain if it's hard, mine like bread sticks)? Chilled teethers or chilled muslin/face cloth to chew on can help (Tracy suggested a damp cloth being frozen, we tried this a few times).
Physical activity - plenty of it before nap and BT, if she is mentally tired but not physically tired she might not relax so well.
Are you trying paracetamol instead of ibuprofen? I think you mentioned upset tummy with ibuprofen, it's prob better for teething pain but paracetamol might help on the days you don't want to give ibup??
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Oh I have no idea what's wrong with her but if you saw her you'd think the child never slept. Her eyes have black bags underneath them and she isn't interested in any food. She acts hungry but then just rubs food in her eyes and throws it away and gets cranky.
I'm trying all those things you suggested for the teeth but I'm a little concerned it's more than teeth. I am medicating with both paracetamol and ibuprofen, depending on the day and how her nappies are.
She's just so unpredictable and those last few hours before midday feel soooo long.
She's cried out twice so far tonight at 10.30 and 11.30pm and rolling around sucking her thumb trying to get back to sleep only to wake fully at 11.45 and is now chatting and saying daddy ... She was awake for well over an hour. Could it be linked to her day or something else? I truly can't understand her!
We are going to a football/soccer game tomorrow so it's going to be a long night. Would love if she could do a big nap but I know she won't!
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Could it be linked to her day or something else? I truly can't understand her!
Well, of course it's possible, but it sounds more like teething pain to me. If you have any medical concerns then obviously a trip to the doc to get her checked out, there could be something medical or the doc could reassure you that everything is basically okay and she is just struggling with these molars. There was no let up for us in that second year.
I think you'll just have to do what you can to get through. If things continue like this without her increasing her nap or night to get her fully rested then, well, perhaps two short naps?? I guess she wouldn't do longer than 40 mins if you gave her two naps but you never know you might have a LO who does better on that?
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Yep, I think it was teething...shes still a drooling mess, terrible nappies and sore bottom. Poor thing seems so tired.
We did a later nap today because of church so her EASY was;
Wu: 7.00
Nap: 12.20; 12.30-1.45 and try as I might I couldnt get her to sleep longer. She sat up and chatted until 2.30 when I got her out. She was tired and cranky not long after but we went out to the football so she was pushed through..
BT: 7.50; chatting and rolling around until 8.
How much longer do I try this for? What would a 2 nap day even look like at this age? Would I wake from either sleep and when would they start?
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I think you've tried this one nap for 2-3 wks or longer now is that right?
I would have thought that there would have been some stability showing around now - either lengthening of the nap or the night or for those to stay the same length but for her to look more refreshed and be in a better mood. You could continue - there are FAQs and stickies advising to just plough through with the mid-day nap and wait for it to sort itself out.
On the other hand if you think going back to two naps might be worth a shot then there are a couple of samples here for 15 months on 2 naps which might work:
Sample EASY Routines 13mth +
Looks like first nap around 11 and second around 3-4pm. I would guess (and it is only a guess) in your case the first nap would be variable between 40 min and 1hr 20 ish. And the second nap would likely be a CN more regularly. BT would likely move later, perhaps 8.30/9pm although you can certainly try earlier and see what level of resistance you get.
It may well be worth a try - slightly different scenario but I tried a few different things with DS during the 1-0 drop, whilst I know consistency is usually key, being consistent on the wrong thing doesn't lead to success does it? After about 2 weeks of no nap I offered my DS a nap with me thinking he'd say no but he said yes and we both dozed in my bed for around 2hrs, seemed to be just what he needed for a one-off even though his nap was fully dropped.
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Hi Creations! Sorry to keep going on and on and reading my vents. I'm finding bedtime super stressful and I never know how to handle it... I always do the wrong thing :'(
We had been trying unsuccessfully for a 2 nap schedule from almost 11mo. We were already capping the afternoon nap at 15 minutes from 4.45-5.00 but she often took 40 minutes to take the catnap and then wouldnt be falling asleep until after 9pm with the same bedtime shenanigans.
Nap today was a little better. She isn't falling asleep in the stroller or car in the morning so I can't get a nap in there and she won't nap anywhere in the afternoon so I have little choice but to power through to one nap.
She isn't necessarily upset in the day. Especially if we go out and she's super alert and active but go to out her down for a nap and she fights like crazy and either short naps or takes forever to go to sleep - both involve crying which really upsets me. She's also do clingy, cries and wants to be held ALL the time when we are home.
Monday
WU: 6.00 crying out but back to sleep until 7.00 ish
Nap: 12.00; 12.05 - 2.15
Very broken and woke frequently at 12.35, 12.47, 1.50. Awake and standing up a couple of times before seeming to go back to sleep...
^ screamed when I went to her room and put her down.
BT: 6.20 PD, 7.30 finally asleep
^ screamed when we went to her room after bath, all through changing and cried in my arms and when put into bed.
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Oh please don't think you always do the wrong thing! :( You are doing everything you possibly can xx
Sometimes these phases just do seem to go on for ever. It's horrible but it's going to pass eventually.
I can only think that it is the teething tbh. Routine looks okay.
I saw that nap 12.05 - 2.15 and thought "oh great" until I saw how many times she woke which looks like OT or pain but she didn't have an overlong A time prior to nap so I can only think teething pain. I'm sorry I seem to be so little help.
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:'( I know it passes, it's just so upsetting and stressful for everyone. You are so helpful, more than you know, thank you!
So today was a little better and the nap lengthened a little bit...
Wu: 7.20?
Nap: 11.55; 12.10-1.50 so we at least got past 1hr 20! She was happy at PD too which makes a change. She stands up the SECOND she opens her eyes. 😂
BT: 6.30 PD, 7.30 asleep. Chatted for an hour!
Is that BT going to give me UT issues? I pulled it back because day naps were short and I was trying to compensate and reduce the crying... Should I leave it as is regardless of nap length?
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Should I leave it as is regardless of nap length?
I would *mostly* keep BT as a set time, whether that is 6.30 because she takes so long to relax and go to sleep for a 7.30 sleep, or whether that is 7 (or 7.30 or whatever) because she settles more quickly the later it is - whichever, it's "set". BUT if you had a day with an awful 40 min nap say then I'd do EBT another 30-60 min earlier than the normal set time. Don't forget set means usually at this time and not moved daily based on naps but it doesn't mean you can't change it one day because of something unexpected happening.
I really don't see that I am being of any help but I will keep posting as you seem to find it useful somehow :)
I can do hand holding when I am out of useful ideas :) xx
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Oh Creations, PLEASE hold my hand I don't know what to do!!
Well 6.30 for a 7.30 bedtime makes sense off a short nap but what happens if the naps that are never long are suddenly long? I wanted to keep her up a bit to see her Dad so I pushed it to 6.55 until PD instead of 6.30 but it's been an hour and she's still singing and laughing and squealing and calling out all the words she knows.
Wednesday 11-Jan
Wu: 7.20?
Nap: 11.55; after 12.00 - 2.47
^woke a few times and appeared restless.
BT: 6.55 PD; 8.10 asleep!!!
^ completely undertired. Singing, chatting, wide awake.
NW: 10.30 crying out
NW: 11.17 crying out
Thursday 12-Jan
WU: 7.00 or earlier
The nap she was absolutely shattered and I can't understand why. She was exhausted and almost asleep on my shoulder when I put her down and she suked her thumb most of the nap which is weird. She sat up a fajr bit before rolling over and falling asleep again and did this several times.
What am I missing? What am I getting wrong? Surely I'm mistiming something... *sigh* so over it!
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If you're missing something then I am missing it too. I really can't see what is keeping her awake other than developmental leaps and/or teeth.
Want me to get some other eyes over here to see if someone else can see something?
Does she hit mile stones early? 18 month regression come very early?? Mine had his 18 month regression at 16 months, his 4 month regression came at 3.5 months, his 10/11 month wonkiness for the beginning of the 2-1 came at 9 months. Is you DD like this?? Could it be the 18 month regression?
The only good thing about that would be that you get it over with earlier haha!
At BT have you ever sat outside her room and just said "be quiet and go to sleep"?
I have a memory of doing this with DS, can't remember when, I've just remembered it. I said it in a firm voice (not telling off, not angry, not pleading or begging - more instructional if that makes sense?) so he knew I meant business. Wonder if it could help reduce the BT chatting and singing?
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If anyone else can shed some light, we'd appreciate it. Hubby can't understand it either.
She is an early mileston hitter and she joined a couple of words together (Ta, mum) so it could be developmental, SR come early, teeth (canines? Can't see anything at the gum line yet). Who bloody knows.
This was today. Not sure what's going on with the longer naps. I wondered if it was teeth OR she's finally lenghtening? Meh, who knows but I worry about bedtime because there is only so early I can put her to bed to avoid OT.
Thursday 12-Jan
WU: 7.00 or earlier.
Nap: 12.00PD -2.20. Woke between cycles but fell back to sleep!
BT: 7.00; not asleep until 8.05
^ didn't like me putting her down, cried at 7.30 and then rolled around awake and trying to settle.
Friday 13-Jan
WU: 7.00ish, I'm not sure.
Nap: 12.00-1.30
BT: 6.50; 7.40 asleep (50 minutes after 5+ A time)
Didn't cry tonight but still won't stop talking and rolling around but then cries out loudly and upset every little while!
Nw: 11.00 cried out.
BT routine. Just incase it's relevant.
5/5.30 we ear dinner
Then a play and a cup of milk if she hasn't already had it with dinner
6 30 or half hour before PD for bed we have a bath. Followed by a massage and into pj's and sleeping bag. We then say prayers and two songs and place her in her cot. I do a quick pickup of stuff around the room whilst I give verbal reassurance if she's crying, before leaving the room.
I give more verbal reassurance if she's still crying, telling her it's sleepy time and to go to sleep. A minute later or less she starts squealing, calling out, chatting, babbling, you mame it she does it.
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Routine still looks good, better even with that longer nap.
I do wonder if it is just developmental and/or teeth or her character to take a long time to WD for sleep at night and you will kind of have to accept it to a certain degree.
As example, mine always cried out in the early part of night sleep and it is his character/nature. Nothing routine wise would ever make any difference at all. He is just prone to very verbal dreaming and processing during sleep, and waking himself up to moan. The frequent early evening NWs eventually stopped when he was older but he is now prone to OT if BT is even 30 min late and he's just turned 6yo. Most 6yo seem to be able to handle flexible BT or the odd late night, mine screams like he is in agony 30 mins after BT and hourly until midnight if he goes to bed 30 min late - it is amazing - but it is also just him. I accept it as his quirk.
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I wish I could get that longer nap more often but it is what it is... We went swimming this morning so PD at 12.10 for nap.
I guess our bed routine is okay? We'd love to read books but at least she's not crying when there over anymore...
So, should I worry that the A is so long to when she falls asleep. Regardless of 1hr20/1.5 or 2hr+ nap what time should I aim to have her in her cot before leaving the sleep part up to her. Would 7pm be okay. I'm finding bedtime hard with the idea of having her 'asleep by' because thats not something I have control over or is even remotely predictable.
You're so helpful just talking me through stuff, I really appreciate it.
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SHE DID IT!!! Somehow the stars aligned and today she had both an awesome nap and was asleep by 7.20, possibly earlier! I did push her nap slightly and PD at 12.10 (asleep 12.15, 12.20 at the latest). She slept a solid 1hr20 without stirring then rolled over and sucked her thumb asleep for another 40 minutes. Then bedtime she was eye rubbing in the bath so acted quickly and had her down at 6.55 (SHE DIDN'T CRY!!!)
WU: 7.00
Nap: 12.10; 12.15/20 - 2.20
BT: 6.55; asleep by 7.20!
This is likely never to be repeated but I had to share that it actually happened. Thank you for everything.
Sunday 15-Jan
WU: 7.40!
Do nap times stay the same when they sleep longer in the am?!
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Wow great day then!
Can I just confirm - the reason she went down late was due to swimming class? This will have had a huge impact. I don't know if you only just started the class or have seen some effect of swimming on previous weeks but the level of activity during swimming is huge, and will make her much more tired.
If this was the swim day then one thing you can do the rest of the week is dramatically increase physical activity in the morning. Hard to arrange sometimes and I expect you can't go swimming every day ;) but the level of activity does have quite an impact on toddlers. She may also need an opportunity to burn off energy in the afternoon - mine needed physical activity just prior to BT so work off any remaining energy he had. We did stuff in the house, jogging, frog jumps, wrestling with mummy, hand push (kind of wrestling on the floor but it's very controlled), toddler band (walking with instruments and singing), Grandma's Footsteps and What time is it Mr Wolf. Usually the same activity every night for a good while before changing.
Leave nap and BT the same regardless of WU and nap length. Although you can't control what time she falls to sleep you can do PU consistently - just keep it where it is now.
Glad you had a good day :)
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Hi Creations! Thank you. I will take all your advice about physical activity, I agree she needs this but the temps have been so high here (in the high 30 and early 40 degrees) that it's not always possible. We do swimming once a week but usually an early morning class for my older son at 9am so we are home well before nap time. I fed her a sachet squeezie food on the swimming/good map day in the car on the way home then walked in the house and put her to bed straight away...
Today was not as great. We were at my parents and we used the porta-cot, plus her white noise. After waking at 7.40 this morning she went down at 12.10 PD, asleep 12.20 but woke by 1/1.10. DH put her down at 6.10 for bed and at first she was quiet but then after 10 minutes she mantra cried off and on until almost 7pm!
This morning she was awake when j woke at 7 but she fell back to sleep some time later until 8.30. How should I approach naps and bedtime when WU is significantly later? in worried she will short nap at 12 then do I PD for BT earlier?
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I would just stick to the set times if ever you are unsure.
If you are worried abotu a short nap due to short A time then maybe put down later and wake up at the usual time so that you can get back on track (or almost) by BT.
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Hi Creations! Thank you for your support, wondering if you think something is up with Audrey.
In the morning she is waking around 7am. Usually we get out of bed at 7.30 as that is my sons gro clock time. We have been dozing together for a little longer and when I go to check on Audrey she is fast asleep again at 7.45. Should I be getting her up sooner or letting her sleep until she wakes which is usually 8.30? I wonder then if naptime should move too?
I couldn't get her down until 12.45 today...
WU: ? Back to sleep at 7.45 - 8.20am. oob.
Nap: 12.45, asleep at 1-3 (I had to wake her)
BT: 7.00, asleep 7.40
I'm meant to be setting nap at 12 PD and bedtime at 7pm PD but when she wants to go back to sleep in the morning, I'm letting her because i'm SO tired and my older DS is sleeping-in for the first time in 4.5 years ;D
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Thursday 19-Jan
WU: 7.20?:
Absolutely miserable all morning.
Nap 1: asleep in my arms for 5 minutes 10.55-11.00
Nap 2: 12.40; 12.50-2.17, 2.48
BT: 6.50; 7.50
^ crying every 5 minutes.
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She could be coming down with a cold or perhaps it's teething making her sleep a little different.
I would keep nap time the same if she wakes earlier or later in the morning...and if you start getting nap refusal or the nap becomes too short I'd probably suggest getting her up in the morning when she first wake rather than letting her go back to sleep until the later WU. Keeping in a routine really helps, but I do understand when you are tired any extra bit of quiet and dozing in the morning is welcomed!!
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I think teeth might be at play... She has had diarrhoea since the molars started almost a month ago! It clears up for a day or 2 and then it comes back. She's drooling terribly. But, she can't stay awake!
Her A times have shrunk and she isn't short napping!
WU: already awake at 6.40 this morning.
OOB: 7.30
Cried non-stop from 8am. Tried to distract, offered food, milk, took outside (can't go anywhere as didn't have car today!) and still she whinged and cried so in the end I put her to bed around 10am!
Nap: 10.10, woke crying 40 minutes later but fell back to sleep.
^^ I put mittens over her thumb to sleep (probably why she was angry when she woke) but went back to deep sleep!
Nap: 4.00, crying at 4.30. Picked her up and she was asleep in less than a minute! Held her for 15 minutes and then gently woke her.
BT: 7.00; 8.10 asleep.
Should I keep her up until midday tomorrow? I feel so bad for her 😩
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Oh dear she sounds poorly :(
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I don't know what is wrong... We kept her awake today but she is crying considerably and clinging to me line crazy. Screaming if I'm not holding her 😔
This was our day but she was pretty miserable and not interested in much food. Yet she doesn't have a temp, no cold symptoms, nothing that would make her sick enough to be miserable...
Saturday 21-Jan
WU: 6.50 already awake
Nap: 12.10 PD, slept until 2.07 so almost 2 hours
BT: 7.07, asleep 7.50!
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Is she about 15.5 - 16 months now?
I remember at 16 months mine having some big developmental leap of some sort.
Has she recently become more mobile for instance? Walking, climbing, running maybe? It could be a bout of SA related to increased mobility or another developmental leap ...or I always blame teeth if I can find nothing else as our second year was permanently teething pain! Could be if she is also off her food.
Good nap though!
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Hey Creations!! How are you?
We had a similar day today, but a full hour to fall asleep at bedtime. Into bed at 7.10pm and asleep 8.10pm.
She is very mobile, walking and running. She's very drooly - we only have canines left and I can't see them but they might be rumbling underneath...
We've hit 15.5mo (16mo on the 7-Feb) so perhaps it's a massive developmental thing?!
Sunday 22-Jan
WU: 7.10
Nap: 12.10; 12.15/20 - 2.07
BT: 7.10; 8.10 asleep
NW: 4.00am crying
Monday 23-Jan
WU: 7.10, was already awake,
Nap: 11.55; 12.05-2.28 (a bit broken and quite restless)
BT: 7.00, 8.00ish asleep.
^ was happy for DH to bath her (major win!) but nothing else so screamed during WD and in car. Then chatted and rolled around, crying out, until just after 8.00pm
She was positively exhausted today. Such hard work and constantly crying. She ate breakfast okay but from 9.30 she just wasn't happy. I medicated and tried to distract but by 11.30 she was rubbing food in her eyes and wouldn't eat or drink a thing. She screamed and screamed during wind down.
Why does she appear so tired and exhausted. I reckon she would have slept the second I put her down at 9.30! 😔
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How are things now?
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Hi Creations!
She isn't as bad, but she won't stop talking and I believe UT at bedtime, she isn't taking any less than an hour to fall asleep.
Her nap yesterday was almost 2.5 hours. It is quite disjointed and she seems quite restless most of iit but I guess without the monitor, I wouldn't necessarily know....
Today however nap was only 1hr20, maybe 1.5hrs. 12.08-1.28. The word I'm using to describe her at the moment is angry...i don't know what's wrong but she cries and is cranky and clings on to me and won't play with anything. Its draining. At least tonight she was asleep in 30 minutes - BT at 7.00 and asleep at 7.30. I wonder how our night and wake up tomorrow will go?
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It does all sound very "toothy" to me. Teething can be just awful.
Get through however you can!
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Thanks lovely! We're doing our best...
I can't see any canines but that's what it must be cause she has the rest!
After 7.30 BT I woke to her calling out at 6.45 😔
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Hey Creations!.
I'm after a bit of hand holding and a hug if possible!
Audrey is absolutely miserable. And I mean, truly beside herself unhappy. She's been sleeping in later in the mornings but 2 hours later she's crying, whinging, clingy and rubbing her eyes and positively miserable. She will go to sleep in my arms if I hold her in her room, and if I put in her cot. Somehow we made it to 11.15am for nap, she fell asleep at 11.30 and napped 2 hours (which she hasn't done for weeks.....) when I put her to bed at 6.30, at 7pm she screamed the house down and I went in and Gage verbal and physical reassurance in her cot until she was calm and sleepy and then I left. Which didn't take long - she's EXHAUSTED. she's not eating much but I am medicating for teeth.
The behaviour is worse when we are at home but when we're out she has a very short fuse and is screaming and hyperactive and frustrated making trips to the shops or playground unbearable.
I'm so drained energy wise and Im nor sure what to do with her. I'm taking her to the doctor tomorrow but I don't think there is an issue there so what else could be going on?
Her nap at midday is super short, about 1hr10/15 and she's happy when she first wakes but then is upset after 20 minutes up out of her for. That's if I can even get her to last until 12 for her nap, she's truly feral and nothing makes her happy. She won't play with toys either, has absolutely no interest.
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you can have a big hug! ((((hug))))
It sounds like a combination of teeth, extra tiredness (possibly due to pain - teeth) and perhaps developmental leap too.
TBH apart from medication for teeth I don't think there is a huge amount you can do other than remind yourself it will eventually pass and try to be as patient as you possibly can.
more hugs
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Thank you so much, I don't have anyone else to talk about this with. My husband thinks you ladies are all amazing and keeps asking me to ask you what you'd do because we are both clueless.
I tried to take them to a Bible study with awesome creche but Audrey screamed the whole time. She wouldn't sit still when they brought her to me after she wouldn't settle 😔
I finally got her into bed for a nap at 12.30 (oob at 7.30am but awake before that) but she only napped until 2pm. BT was 7.40 and she was asleep by 8pm but an hour later she woke screaming so I went and helped her lie down and rubbed her back and she took a while but fell back to sleep by 9.30pm.
I medicated with nurofen before bedtime too do I can only assume she's OT!? only a week ago she was in bed at 7am and lying awake for over an hour. I really don't understand 😔
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Are you still aiming for nap at 12 and BT at 7pm? I think all you can do is hang in there.
Mine often woke screaming like that after BT with either teeth or some level of OT/OS and for certain phases it just seemed the regular thing to happen.
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I'm trying my best to stick to 12pm nap and 7pm BT but life is getting in the way at the moment... No amount of consistency seems to work though.
I'll stick with her. Doctor started antibiotics just incase her ears which were slightly red escalate... will keep an eye on her.
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Oh dear - hope she's okay.
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Hey Creations,
Her daytime mood is improving but night is worse. These are our last few days... Today was at my parents house so not sure if it was because we were away from home she short napped but I thought she did go back to sleep but perhaps not, she woke after 2hrs crying.
Thursday
WU: 7.30
Nap: 12.01; 12.10 - 12.50, 1.50-2.20. Awake but quiet in the middle part.
BT: 7.05; 8.30 asleep after holding and rocking. She screamed after 20 minutes of being in bed and continued mantra crying. I gave verbal reassurance to start, then in her cot, then by almost 8.30 I picked her up.
NW: 10.20-10.30 crying
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Sounds like OT at BT what do you think?
I always found it impossible to keep DS on track if we were out.
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Oh OT is killing us, and poor AJ
Today was;
WU: ? 7.30 already awake
Nap: 11.55; 12.00-2.08 (fantastic for the first 80 minutes then woke and dozed)
BT: 7.00, asleep 7.20/30
NW: already woken crying once at 9.30!
Am I doing the right thing?
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Honestly that looks pretty much okay. I mean I know she woke crying at 9.30pm which is not ideal but the routine looks pretty good.
Do you think she might nap more peacefully with a slightly later nap time??
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BT was the shortest time in 6 months! I'm too scared to try 4 later nap to be honest. Mainly because it's such a struggle to make it to 12pm. This morning she was rubbing breakfast through her eyes and hair and crying and that continues ALL morning.
We had the strangest day though and we haven't had a mid nap scream since she was little and to actually be able to resettle her back to sleep has NEVER happened.
Saturday
WU: ? 7.30 already awake.
Nap: 12.15; 12.20/25 - 1.00. Woke crying! I went in and resettled in her cot for 15 minutes. MIRACLE!
1.15-2.50. She woke and resettled herself numerous times.
BT: 7.00, mantra cried until asleep at 7.30
I pushed only 15 minutes, surely that's not enough to make her OT? She has napped later than that previously. Not sure if I should be moving the nap or not!!
Sunday
wu: 6.50am
Nap: 12.00; asleep in seconds but was restless and OT, woke up at 1.20/1.30 at the latest.
^ Screamed and cried going to her room but was tired and miserable from 10am.
BT: 6.40; mantra cried until 7.00
Can't quite work out what's wrong with her...
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wow, she's SO clingy and crying over absolutely everything...
Today:
WU: 7.15 ?
Nap: 12.25; 12.30/40 asleep - 2.04
BT: 6.45; asleep 7.11
So the time to fall asleep at BT is getting less but yet she's so incredibly unhappy throughout the day. She won't go to anyone else either and she clings to my legs or pulls down my pants to be picked up. And the tantrums, OMGosh, what in the world happened to my little girl?!
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Oh dear, sounds tricky - but routine looks okay.
Do you think she could do a longer nap if she was up a little longer in the morning? Some won't of course, just wondering if she might have a better mood with a bit more day sleep. What do you think?
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Very tricky Creations!
My 4yo never slept 2hrs, EVER. Audrey, I get the feeling, has the potential to when I get the timing right.
How much later do you think? I've tried to move to 12.30. She wasn't happy going down at all but we were late getting home so it was 12.45 by the time she fell asleep and woke at 2.18. Major struggles falling asleep at bedtime, rolling around and squealing but trying desperately to fall asleep for almost an hour. She seemed very wired and unable to relax.
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Hmm..yes actually looking at your times it's been between 12 and 12.30 ish hasn't it, and no pattern there to speak of.
Is it roughly 12hr nights you are getting? Would she do a bit longer over night instead do you think?
Sorry - kind of out of ideas. It's this really disruptive years with teething, GS, developmental leaps, nap dropping...that year from 1 - 2 yo seemed so full of disruption for me. Part of me think you have to just go with what you have and hope her mood improves. Sorry , that is probably not what you want to hear!
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Thanks for your suggestions, I'm at a complete loss!
Today I couldn't handle the crying any longer and put her down early which yielded exactly the same nap length but she was OT at bedtime and woke at 10.30 crying out for a little while.
Her nights generally sit around 11/11.5 - randomly 12hrs.
Wednesday 8-Feb
Wu: 7.10
Nap: 11.10; 11.20 - 1.50
BT: 6.30. mantra cry off and on until 7.00
NW: 10.30 cried out
Thursday 9-Feb
WU: 7.08
She's now 16mo so not sure what I should be aiming for now!
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And yet after a 12hr night last night she stayed up until midday and napped 2 hours (a little disjointed but at my mum's house so I'll take it) and then was asleep in 30 minutes by 7.30pm.
I truly don't understand her at all 😂 tomorrow will be completely different again.
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Nap: 11.10; 11.20 - 1.50
This looks like 2hr 30 nap. Is it a typo?
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Most definitely a typo sorry, 12.50 she woke!
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Can you try for those 12hr nights to be a bit more frequent I wonder?
If she wakes roughly 7am daily, I know you are not 100% sure on the time that's okay, can you put her to bed at 6.30pm every night so that she is asleep by 7pm? Mine couldn't really add on to his night length by sleeping later in the morning, strong body clock just woke him up at the same time each day, but he could add on to his night length at the beginning of the night.
could be worth a try.
Sorry I feel I am not helping you much. I think this is a case of her having to get used to the one nap and it is just taking time to settle down.
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Hi Creations, I thought the same in regards to 6.30 BT and tried yesterday. It's SO inconsistent, I can't work out why it works one night but not the next.
Friday 10-Feb
WU: 7.00
nap: 11.55; 12.05-1.30
BT: 6.30; 7.30 asleep
^ was unhappy as soon as we got her in the bath, screamed when we went to her room and cried in my arms. Sat with her a while to calm down and when I PD she was okay but cried 20 minutes later and then chatted/made noises until 7.30.
Saturday 11-Feb
WU: 6.40
Nap: 12.00-1.28
^ nearly fell asleep in car at 11.30 and then screamed when I took to her room at home.
BT: 6.35; 7.20 asleep (fell asleep sitting up and then face planted into the mattress)
I'll keep going, thanks for all your help!
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Wow she really doesn't like BT does she?
What the whole WD routine like for BT?
I wonder if something there could be changed to help her relax.
Some people find bath at BT is over stimulating for toddlers - maybe try bath at a different time of day?
Could you dim the lights prior to going up for bed to indicate it is evening and time to begin winding down?
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No, she doesn't, but she's also waking earlier Now, chatting at 6.30am this morning!
WD is currently below (although we've tried a million different things).... Give or take 1/2 an hour if EBT. We used to do bath then read and play in the lounge room but we found the screaming so bad when we went to take her to her room that we changed it. We then were reading books in her room but she would tantrum when the books were over so we removed that. She does love the bath but I have little left to do with her in the WD if we don't bath her.
Dinner at 5ish
Play and then
Milk at 6.30
Bath
Into dimly lit bedroom with white noise on
Get dressed and into sleeping bag
Prayers and a few lullabys in my arms
Close to 7pm, into cot, leave the room.
At the moment it's daylight saving so it's super bright here (and hot, we are having a 45 degree heatwave. We have air-con but our home is bright so can't really dim lights like in winter.
This was our day today...
WU: 6.30
Nap: 12.00; 12.05-12.25, dozed until 12.33 and then awake until 2pm
^ Almost asleep in the car at 11.30! Didn't like going straight to her bedroom...
BT: 6.50; 7.40 asleep
^ I removed sleeping bag because it was over 30 degrees in her bedroom and gave her pillow and a sheet. She chatted and rolled around.
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I've just scanned right through the entire thread again hoping something would jump out at me - it didn't.
What is disturbing her then?
She seems tired all morning but if she naps earlier than 12 the afternoon is too long leading to OT NWs.
She is grumpy and clingy much of the day - yes?
She is likely teething on and off to add to the mix.
She's getting approx 1hr 20 or 1hr 30 nap and approx 11 night
How are you spending the days? Is there any activity which helps her mood? Anything which you notice makes her mood worse, such as a busy toddler group or not getting out and about? Maybe?
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Thank you Creations!
You're right on all the below. The only thing I noticed from my log is that when she started sleeping in until around 8/8.30 and I still put her down at midday, she slept 2 hours which would indicate a shorter A. But I've never been able to replicate that.
Books help her mood and swimming but that isnt something we do that regularly. I'm not in a position to go out every day so we do stay home a fair bit and I need them both to be okay with that. I also don't risk going places to avoid falling asleep in the car.
Heaps of things make his mood worse but mainly it's anything where she doesn't have my 100% undivided attention. Which everything I read is that if she can't play alone or be happy for longer than 10 seconds then she's overtired.
Tonight for example, after her bath and massage, there's no wind down. She's go go go. I was trying to hold her to hum a song and get her quiet and she won't stop talking and wriggling and fussing about stuff she can see but can't reach. I sat down in her chair and she was dozing but once I stand up she pushes her arms off me and talks and looks around. SO frustrating especially since her A to bed tonight was 6.5 hours and she took over 1/2 an hour
Monday 13-Feb
WU: 7.10
Nap: 11.00; 11.05-12.26
BT: 6.30; 7.10 asleep
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I wonder if she neds more physical activity to get her properly tired? What do you think? I know the clinginess and grumpy mood would indicate some OT (although her routine looks pretty regular every day and she does have the opportunity to sleep longer if she needed) but sometimes toddlers need huge amounts of physical activity to really wear out their bodies to sleep well.
Could you for instance do an afternoon bath time play with lots of tubs for water play etc but in the bath as an activity?
Have you tried setting up an indoor assault course? I used to set out a route with chairs to climb onto, crawl under, etc, and challenges such as jump 10 times whilst singing a nursery song, do frog jumps that sort of thing. I made some prompt cards so mine would roll a dice and see where he got to along the course like a life size board game.
I set up heavy work, carry canned or dried goods, or big bottles of paint from one room to another. Amazing how mine enjoyed lifting and carrying! I set them up at the furthest rooms so he had to walk with the weight.
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What great ideas - thank you! My other issue with AJ is that she needs constant interaction and change of scenery. She might do a game like you suggested for 5 minutes and then she's over it. My 4yo is very similar. They don''t sit or do any type of activity for very long. They run around or go on the trampoline for 10 minutes at the most and then they're done and moving on but usually Audrey just stomarts crying because she doesn't want to do it anymore.
Admittedly I probably put her down to nap because the crying and the million activities attempted in just a few short hours have worn me down and I'm tired! Gosh knows I could sleep for hours.
I'd like to do some more things with her but by the time I've worn her out, she wants to sleep in the car on the way home. She also doesn't eat much for lunch so I'm worried she might be hungry. She then wants lots of food when she wakes from nap.
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the million activities attempted in just a few short hours have worn me down and I'm tired!
I remember this. Constantly thinking up new ways to entertain my DS and every time it being ME that was exhausted.
I would have thought your 4yo could is old enough to entertain himself for a period of time now though. Have you seen this:
Cycle of Activity-Help Build Independent Playtime
Just reading my own post there I see my LO was roughly the same age as Audrey and the initial post by aisliing suggests starting the process at 16months to 3 years but to use the same methods for an older child.
it is hard when LO depends on you for all of their entertainment, it doesn't leave any time to just "be" and breath.
She also doesn't eat much for lunch so I'm worried she might be hungry. She then wants lots of food when she wakes from nap.
If you are giving her three meals and 2 snacks I think she can work out for herself when to eat and how much. Try not to worry about this unless there is a very clear indication of loss of appetite, constipation or other ill effects.
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Thank you for the link - great reading.
My 4yo isnt great at individual play unfortunately. I have followed many of the suggestions for individial play but he is truly over it all and bored, moving on. Or it just starts with "no, I don't want to do that"and he'll watch TV. It's not for lack of trying either, he just detests playing alone in general and it all lasts less than the time it takes us to set it up.
She did a 12hr night last night but I couldn't get her down before almost 1pm (unfortunately a hazard on Tuesdays) but she still couldn't sleep longer. Sort of good she didn't because it still took an hour at bedtime!
Tuesday 14-Feb
WU: 7.00
Nap: 12.44; 12.54-2.34
BT: 7.00; 8.00 asleep
^talking, squealing, rolling around, sitting up.
NW: 11.00 cried out
Wednesday 15-Feb
WU: 7.00 ? Not sure
Nap: 12.00; 12.15-1.15 at the latest (at a friends house)
BT: 6.30; 7.30 asleep.
^ No crying, just rolling around, squealing and talking.
Nw: 10.10 cried out a few minutes and continued ever 10 minutes.
NW: 10.20
NW: 10.30
NW: 10.40
I don't understand her at all! lol. Kids, who would have them? 😂
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I'm amazed she can just roll around and chat for an hour at BT and not be upset!
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Me too.... She does suck her thumb quite rigorgously (poor thumb is quite sore atm but I think that's from teething).
She was quiet the rest of the night but awake from at most 6.50am. Her day nap was in the portacot and I thought she had 2 hours but given how quickly she fell asleep tonight I'm going to guess not.
Thursday 16-Feb
WU: 6.50 at the latest
Nap: 12.00ish - 2.00. That's when she sat up and chatted. Potentially only an hour at most.
BT: 7.00; 7.20ish asleep.
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Hmm..well only 20 min to fall to sleep at BT, that is a big improvement but a mystery. I wouldn't bet on this being a new pattern lol
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No... Considerting she cried out and was unsettled and awake most of the night I'm going to bet it won't be a regular thing 😔
Thursday 16-Feb
WU: 6.50 at the latest
Nap: 12.00ish - 2.00
BT: 7.00; 7.20
NW: every 30-90 minutes all night crying out for variable amounts of time
Friday 17-Feb
WU: ???
Nap: 11.10; 11.20-12.00, ~12.10 woke again but went back to sleep (I think) until wide awake at 12.38.
BT: 6.18; 6.45/7.00
^ crying after a few minutes then happyish before falling asleep.
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NW: every 30-90 minutes all night crying out for variable amounts of time
Oh dear. Sorry you all had such a disturbed night :(
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It's getting worse! I can see teeth buds but she needs more sleep. I'm medicating as much as I can. She has a comforter with which she is currently obsessed. She cries for it as she rubs the tag between her fingers whilst sucking her thumb. I can't work out why she has to have it, other than comfort for teeth and because she is exhausted. She calls and cries its name constantly and is so upset.
Saturday 18-Feb
WU: ? 7.00?
Nap: 12.12; was very tired but lay chatting for a while then awake at 1.45. So maybe 1hr15 or 1hr20m at most.
BT: 6.50; 7.20 asleep.
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Mine had hold of his lovey pretty much constantly when he was teething.
This teething just goes on and on doesn't it.
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Hi Creations! How have things been with you guys?
We have 1 canine broken the gum, the rest are all teasing us going up and down. Poor AJ 😔
I would love it if she could get some more sleep, she seems a tad OT, but I can't get her to. This is our latest easy. There is no rhyme nor reason for any nap longer than 1hr20min, I've tried to replicate the days, increased activity levels, medicated but no luck. .
Monday 20-Feb
WU: 7.30
Nap: 12.00; 12.15-2.00
BT: 7.10; 7.40
Tuesday 21-Feb
WU: 7.30
Nap: 12.30; 12.35-2.35
BT: 7.15; 7.55
Wednesday 22-Feb
NW: 5.30 crying. Unsettled but I think went back to sleep.
WU: 7.00/7.20
Nap: 12.13; 12.22-1.40
BT: 7.20; sometime before 8.15pm
Thursday 23-Feb
WU: 7.00
nap: 12.00-1.20.
BT: 7.15; 7.40 asleep
Friday 24-Feb
WU: 7.20
nap: 12.20; 12.28 - 1.56.
Cried out at 1.00pm after 30 minutes, woke crying at 2pm.
BT: 7.05; 7.43
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I think we've been through these options before but how about trying a slightly later nap again? go up 15 min later?
We have 1 canine broken the gum, the rest are all teasing us going up and down. Poor AJ 😔
I say it every time - I hate the teething. Horrible! Poo thing. Quicker they are through teh quicker things can calm down again.
Mine just lost his first tooth ;D
When he was 1-2yo and going through teething hell I wrote I would set out rat-traps for that tooth fairy...but when it came to it I did not set out rat traps. I was quite touched by his first tooth loss, I didn't realise before what a landmark of growing up it would be.
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So we have been at 12.00 for a while but with a short nap the A to bed is too long. do you think it might be worth sticking to 12.30 nap with BT at 7.00, she's 17mo on the 7th March if they makes any difference. Today she woke crying after 1hr10 but resettled surprisingly quickly but unfortunately I dropped something in our showbox house and she woke!
Saturday 25-Feb
WU: 7.00
Nap: 12.30; 12.40-1.52. Woke crying
1.58-2.45 when I accidently woke her!!
^Falling asleep in the car after swimming at 11.30?
BT: 7.00; 7.45 asleep with a cry at 7.20.
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Yes 12.30 is probably worth a try. I know though that tweaking doesn't often have much effect on your LO ;)
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Okay! 12.30 it was today and it was such a struggle to make it.
Sunday
WU: 7.00ish
Nap: 12.30; 12.35/40-2.20 (a bit longer! It was quite disjointed)
BT: 7.00; cried after 10 minutes, asleep just before 7.40.
Monday
WU: 6.50 chatting ?..
Nap: 12.30; 12.35-1.46 then dozed until 2.15
BT: 7.20; close to 8pm asleep
^ today she was SO clumsy and was continually falling over and hurting herself terribly. Big bumps on her head, scrapes on knees and genuinely miserable 😔
BT: 7.20; just before 8pm
Tuesday 28-Feb
WU: 6.45
Nap: 12.43; 12.48-2.16. 2.22-2.39.
BT: 7.20; after a 15 minute scream for me as daddy attempted to get her ready for bed. Had to hold her for ages as she recovered, sobbing and trying to catch her breath!
Asleep at 7.50pm
Should I be attempting bt at the usual 7.00 regardless of nap length at this new time? Today was 6hrs A and her nap was much better, a little disjointed but more sleeping, less dozing. Should I be aiming for closer to 6hrs first or too long?
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And with the move to 12.30, would this affect our wake up? AJ was waking at 7ish but now it's earlier at around 6am and then dozing for a while.
Today she went back to sleep by 7.30 when I woke and slept until 9.45!!
WU: 9.45am
Nap: 12.40; 1.00-2.00
BT: 6.45; 7.30 asleep
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So the 6am WU, she didn't wake for the day? She went back to sleep and woke again at 9.45?
The nap looks like it is still disturbed but perhaps improving a little - night looks like it's al little longer is that right?
You asked about BT - I'd keep it where it was even with the slightly later nap as she isn't getting a huge nap.
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So the 6am WU, she didn't wake for the day? She went back to sleep and woke again at 9.45?
That's correct...
Today we got home late from shopping and she slept almost a solid 2 hours! Couldn't believe it but won't be able to replicate it 😔 .
Our nights are very varied, so where between 11-12 hours but she's so miserable after only an hour awake in the morning I wonder if she gets anybrest at all!!
Friday 3-March
WU: 7.05 sitting up awake.
Nap: 12.30-2.00
BT: 7.10; 7.40 asleep
Saturday 4-March
WU: ? Chatting around 7.20?
Nap: 12.45; 12.50-2.40
BT: 7.25, 8.10 asleep
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I wonder if you can push through to a later nap? Getting home late from shopping then getting a good nap - well - it's something isn't it?
I'm sure I must have mentioned in the thread somewhere (I won't look back) that mine ended up on a 2-4pm nap for a long time. I don't think many need or can cope with a nap as late as 2pm but there's quite a wide gap between 12.30 and 2pm to try for something between if you want to give it a shot??
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17mo tomorrow, please don't tell me the 18mo SR has hit or may hit soon! ???
I've done a later nap of 1pm the last couple of days with mixed results, should I stick with this for a little while? I'm unsure of her exact wakeup but somewhere around the 7am mark, I hope!!
Sunday 5-March
WU: 7.30
Nap: 12.53; 1.00-2.00 then 2.10-2.40
BT: 7.38; asleep by 8.00 but woke at 8.30 and sat up before falling back to sleep ???
Monday 6-March
WU: ?
Nap: 12.53; 1.00-3.00ISH?
BT: 7.00; not asleep until 8.00
^ cried out about 5 minutes after PD and then lay trying to settle for an hour.
So, if I get a later AND longer nap then BT at 7.00 isn't feasible? Should I stick with it and just let her take an hour to fall asleep or try for later? If I get a shorter nap off a later 1pm nap then 7pm for her to be asleep by 7.40 or earlier makes sense I guess?
Sorry, I know this thread has been going on a while now. I appreciate the hand holding and guiding me with what to do.
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I've done a later nap of 1pm the last couple of days with mixed results, should I stick with this for a little while?
The naps look slightly better to me - do they to you? I mean, I am just looking at times on a screen but I know some of things you've mentioned about mood, being tired, clumsy, bumping herself etc. Does her mood seem improved at all on this later nap?? it's very different for you being there experiencing it.
Sorry, I know this thread has been going on a while now. I appreciate the hand holding and guiding me with what to do.
I'm not sure that I am much assistance to you other than hand holding - you seem to be doing everything as well as possible xx
Gosh don't mention the 18 month regression, your DD hasn't exactly settled on a routine yet has she. The guidance for the 18 month regression is to stick with your routine and ride it out...you will be sticking with, broken naps and an un-known WU and BT oh dear!
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Actually, thinking about it, would you like me to ask for some fresh eyes for you? Would you like a new thread (as often long threads are not picked up by others, too much to wade through). I wouldn't be at all offended if you'd like that. There could be something I am missing which someone else just sees straight away :-\
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Hey Creations! How are you? I'm so sorry about the horrible situation in Westminster, such sad news.
I know this is an old thread and I'm happy to start a new post but we were going quite well but the last few days have been horrible.
A is 17.5mo and whilst all the eye teeth have cut they aren't fully up/down. We pushed the nap to 1pm and it caused a week or more of 2-2.5hr naps. BT moved to 7.30 and she was. Asleep 30-40 minutes later and she was sleeping until 8/8.30am. However, last few days she's slept 30-40 minutes at nap time and her morning wake up is 7am or slightly earlier. Today she was screaming in exhaustion so went down for a nap at 12.15 but by the time she fell asleep she wokencryinf 30 minutes later. The day prior she only slept 1-1.45/2.00 at most. She's cranky, defiant, boundary testing but also has massive black circles under her eyes.
After 30 minutes sleep tonight I did bedtime at 6.30pm and she cried until 7.10! She also still won't let DH near her, he has to pry her off me to give her a bath and she screams the whole time. It's absolutely horrible. She then wakes around 10 or 11 crying.
I also wondered whether when she is napping or sleeping in the morning that she's not really asleep at all and is just dozing. Of course I have no way of knowing this, she looks asleep on the monitor. But if I try and hold her and she knows she should be sleeping (I tried to resettle the nap today, she would be wide awake but when I looked at her she'd close her eyes and pretend to be sleeping!!!)
I'm wondering if this is routine issues and I need to somehow push through to normal nap time, push later or adjust to 5hrs A if wake up is closer to 7? OR this is 18mo SR, teething or something else! I'm SO confused.
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I'm wondering if this is routine issues and I need to somehow push through to normal nap time, push later or adjust to 5hrs A if wake up is closer to 7? OR this is 18mo SR, teething or something else! I'm SO confused.
Yes could be all of that!
I think it's probably better to start a new thread if you don't mind - get some fresh eyes on the new(ish) issues. You could also get some support from people who have more recently gone through similar and have some tips.