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SLEEP => Naps => Topic started by: Chloevalentine on April 04, 2017, 19:50:15 pm
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My almost 9 mo lo has been struggling with his afternoon nap now for a while. We are finally getting good morning naps 1.5 average but he's not ready for next nap until 3/330 an even then it's a struggle and he doesn't nap at all. If he does bedtime gets too late. He's usually pretty pleasant all afternoon and goes to bed easily although sometimes wakes shortly after due to ot I'm sure but be resettles quickly. Shoukd I just go with it and put him to bed early?
Easy :
A 630
E 645 bottle solids hour later
S 930-11 or 10-1130 1.5 average
E 11/1130 bottle solids about hour later
E 3 bottle solids around 430/5
E 630 bottle and to bed
Shoukd I try to have him asleep by 630? A 12 hour day with one 1.5 nap
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That didn't go well.... he was up at 530 am!!
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5.30am isn't bad with 6.30 Bt, I think if you're going for 1 nap it needs to be later in the day. It's quite early for 1 nap but no unheard of.
No btdt so hopefully someone will pop by x
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He finally naps well in the morning so I'm hesitant to change that plus with having to pick up older one at 1245 from school the nap time isn't very flexible. Maybe it's just a phase lol. If he even just took a short afternoon nap but it's such a struggle.
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You might just have to stick with the EW and hope the phase ends then. Fingers crossed x
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Should I do an early bedtime like 630 or keep 7? I just can't imagine that he's up for 7 hours straight! Today we were even in the car around 3 and he stayed awake the entire ride!
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I think you will prob need to keep 6.30 until you can move the map later.
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I think u r right but a 530 start to the day Is not appealing.
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Tell me about it but 11 hours overnight is good.
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Last night he was asleep by 630 And slept until 7 am!! First nap was 10-1115 and I fit him down for second nap at 230! He was fussy and crying so I thought it couldn't hurt to try a nap it wasn't easy though some crying and resistance I had to go back once or twice (meanwhile my 3.5 year old was crying looking for me and not wanting brother to take a nap) you'd think by 8.5 months the older one wouldn't give a hard time. He's still asleep at 315 so I'm hoping for an hour nap until 330 and bed around 7 wake up tomorrow at 6 would be good 11 hrs. I always tried a nap at 3-330 maybe earlier is better although he did still struggle. Morning naps he goes right down.
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Great night then, i had to set my then 4 year old up with snacks and tv before I put my youngest down at that age. It does get easier as they get older x
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So it seems that my 9 mo lo needs a 12 hour day. If he's up at 630 am he's asleep by 630 pm and if he sleeps until 7 am (which he did for one of the firsts yesterday) he won't go to bed until 7 pm. He's still only taking one morning nap about 3-3.5 hrs after he first wakes. The later he wakes the longer the first A time. So yesterday he was up at 715 am nap from 1040-12 then he's up all afternoon (yup you heard me right) until 7 pm! I've tried everything to get him to nap in afternoon and it's such a struggle even in the car he stays awake but he's pleasant and goes down to bed around 630/7. I've stopped fighting it and just learn to make do although it's a long afternoon for us all lol. In my mind at least I know I'll def get a good nap in the morning. My older one is in school and come summer camp is only until 12 so moving his nap later in the day will be tricky as I'll need to leave to pick up big kid. Wonder how that will play out.
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Well just go with what works for now then I guess. I just have to do quick 20 min nap at 9.30 then put to bed at 1pm works for us now at 14 months.
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The only thing is that when he wakes 7 or later he gives me a hard time going down for nap whereas when he wakes at 630 or earlier he goes in awake no problem no crying and falls right to sleep. Which is strange because it's still he same A time. I'm tempted to wake him by 630 am.
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I have a better day too with a 6.30 WU must like that time lol x
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Do you wake lo at 630? Think I might ;)
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On a work day defo but the other 2 days I prob leave him till 6.45 but he's mostly woken by my eldest banging about in the toilet lol x
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Do you think the ews are from that long stretch of A time from the first nap until bedtime? The past week he's been up anywhere from 445-545. I just can't get him to nap in the afternoon.
His day looks like this lately :
A 530 (used to be 630 on average)
E bottle solids hour later
S 9/930-1030/11 nap usually 1.5 hrs but today was only 1 hr 15
E 1130 lunch 230 bottle 430 dinner
E 6 bottle asleep 630
Tonight he was asleep by 6! He was exhausted from being up at 545 slept 915-1030 then up until bed.
We recently dropped a bottle too. I can't help but think that the one nap is starting to catch up to him and we are now getting ews.
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I would say most definitely, his nap either needs to be later in his day or he needs a morning CN and longer lunch nap. It's a long A to bed x
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Whenever I try to put him down later in the morning a longer A time his nap is shorter and he's a mess crying hard time settling etc. yesterday he did a 1 hr nap so I tried an afternooon nap and he wouldn't go down. Now that he can stand up in crib it's making it much harder to settle. Any tips
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Could you try just adding 10/15 mins on then hold for 3 days then move again so he's not massively OT?
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The nap still needs to be early enough where I can wake him to go pick up sibling from school at 1245. So I'm not sure it's going to make much of a difference theres still going to be that long a time before bed. I wish I could just get him to take an afternoon nap
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I'm not sure there is a way to fix it then at this time ???
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He's taken a few shorter morning naps about 45 mins so I was able to get a short afternoon nap one day this week but today I had trouble getting him down for morning nap and it was late 11-12 so he wouldn't take another nap I did try though.
What are other 9 month olds doing nap wise as far as A times or time of each nap?
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I had a tricky kiddo like this too - ended up having to do a 20min CN in the AM, really short, like 2hr A time in the middle then long PM nap. The middle A time was miserable so that was filled with eating and lots of keeping him occupied, plan nothing for that time if you can :-/ If you can use the car trip to pick up his sibling for getting to sleep, you could do something like this:
6 - WU (ideally later, I know, just going on what's happening atm)
10:30 - CN (20-30min tops)
12:45 (or close enough - fall asleep in car - transfer to bed when you get home)
Let him sleep max. 2.5hr
BT more like 7/7:30 which will then help with the EW too.
WRT transferring from car to bed, that is trainable, I did it with a standing/walking shush/pat variant and it still works wonderfully for us to this day and DS is now 6yo.
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Thank you for the tips. Going to see how today goes being that we r back to school a and lo is back to regular schedule. He woke around 615 which is pretty good 11 hrs night sleep and is down for nap at 920. Went down easy like he used to! I hate waking him from nap being that they are so sparse. Maybe we can get back to the good 1.5 hr nap in morning and even just a catnap in afternoon. I just feel like I never get the A time right and we struggle. Typically how long should that A time be if he does a good nap in morning of at least an hour ? When he's up from nap by 1030/11 I usually try again around 230.
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Maybe we can get back to the good 1.5 hr nap in morning and even just a catnap in afternoon. I just feel like I never get the A time right and we struggle.
That's a gamble, I could never be sure of a PM nap and we had WU varying between 4am (after a 5pm BT) and 8am which was just not workable.
There is no 'typical' any more at this age and frankly, typical probably won't fit your LO anyway :(
We did have a routine of 4hrA, 3hrA, 2hrA with 1hr naps between for a couple of weeks so you could try that and tweak from there.
Honestly, 6:15-9:20 is 3:05hr A time which is 'average' for a 6-7mo. He's probably UT and not interested in napping after another 3hr and that's pretty reasonable at this age, I'd be shooting for at least 3.5hr by 9mo off a decent nap. Are you keeping it that short to try for a short nap? If not, I'd push that first A time longer which should help make your WU later and pull your day gradually later.
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Thanks Bec great advice :)
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He naps well in the morning after about 3.5 hours A time ( usually up at 6 nap at 930) so I'm hesitant to change that. I don't really want to push the day out any later because then it's that much harder to try for that second nap. I'll just keep trying to get him down for that afternoon nap not much else I can do. He's trying to walk and I think he's just too busy.
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Two days in a row now he's gone down after 3 1/2 hours at a time in the morning and Napped 25 minutes woke up crying both times! Ugh
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Today he woke around 650 napped from 10:10-1145 and I was actually able to get him to nap at 345! It's late but at least I got him to sleep. I'm thinking I'll wake him if he doesn't after 30 mins and do bedtime at 7. Think that might work moving forward? He usually wakes earlier and naps earlier though but he seems to need that 4 hr A time before second nap.
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He was passed out took a while to wake him. Finally got him up at 430 from 345. Hope I don't regret it later
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Good to find an A time that works for the 2nd nap! FX it works for a while for you.
BT at 7:30 is reasonable after a 45min nap, that's a reasonable length day too.
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It did work out well. And he went to bed awake and shortly fell asleep by 730. Going to see if tomorrow he'll do the same hopefully a bit earlier though.
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Just wanted to post a follow up. He's waking on average between 615-7 naps from 930-11 or 10-1130 on average 1.5 hrs and then I've been trying to get a 30 min nap around 4 hrs A time so around 3/330-4 then bed by 7/730 depending when he woke in the morning But usually 3 hrs a time before bed. The nap more than likely happens in the car as he still has a hard time going down in crib for that nap don't know why.
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Sounds like the beginning of 2-1. Those APOP naps can be a godsend. Keep them while you can :)
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I don't think he's ever taken three naps he most of the time takes just the one nap early in he morning and is up all day which is hard so the only time I can get him to catnap is around 330 which is late. Today it took me 20 mins to get him to sleep for a 30 min nap! Which seems crazy. He just fights it but I'm it able to take him in the car every day. 2-1 already? I've just gotten him on a 2 nap from 1 nap lol I'm working backwards lol
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It takes months before they're on 1 nap fully. Its just the beginning of a transition :)
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I wonder how it will work out with having to pick up the older one from school ? Isn't the nap usually around 12 when they drop to one?
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Doesn't have to be. Can be later or earlier but tends to be inthe middle of the day.
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Why is the afternoon nap so hit or miss? We've always struggled with it. What do you do if he doesn't take any afternoon nap? Today he was up at 6 napped from 930-1045 and I tried for a 245 nap he usually isn't ready until at least 4 hrs A time. I usually put him in crib awake and he'll stand and chat and eventually fall asleep. Today it's been 15 mins and he's still up? Do I just go back to ebt? I hate doing that because he usually will only sleep 11 hours. I'm trying to get him to wake around 630 am but it's hard to get him to 730 pm especially if he's not napping in afternoon
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What do you mean by EBT? One reason it often fails is that its not early enough.
We had difficulty with sleep around this age with SA... i just sat in the corner of the room reading my book though that's probably tricky with a 3yo as well.
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You mean the nap isn't early enough ? I meant early bedtime since he's been up all day.
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No, I mean people don't do EBT early enough - 30min earlier than normal isn't enough to make the difference. We did EBT as early at 4pm (he slept 14hr solid) but it does leave you with the possibility of it being perfectly reasonable for LO to want to get up at 4am.
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I've been working on getting his bedtime later in hopes for a later wake time in the morning but no luck so far mornings are still early. His schedule looks like this lately:
6-615 awake
630 bottle 730 breakfast
930-11 nap on average 1.5 can be 1 hour but usually 3-3.5 A time
1130 lunch
2 bottle although he's not too interested in this bottle
3-330-4/430 nap this is the still tricky as to when he falls asleep. I usually try a 4 hr A time but he usually doesn't fall asleep until 315-330 no matter what time I start trying. He'll also either 30 mins to 1 hr.
7/730 bottle and bedtime usually 3 hrs A time before bed
Is there something I can change as he doesn't seem to sleep later in the morning after a later bedtime
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Is it an habitual waking? Maybe W2S when you go to bed or an hour before he typically wakes and see if that helps. I think the most likely thing to bring the WU later is actually to push the first nap later. If he can do 4hr+ A time off a 1hr nap, I would fairly confidently push that first A time to 3:45 then 4hr and see if that helps.
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Ok I'll push out the A time. This morning he had 3.5 hrs a time but only slept 45 mins which he never does. Is that an ut nap? That second. So might come as late 4 pm though which is kind of late no? How many hours A time before bed?
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Today he was up around 615 maybe earlier napped from 945-1030 and I can't beg him down for afternoon nap! I've been trying Since 230! It's now 3 and he's still awake!
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Yep, that 45 min waking is UT.
I found if I could get a really long first A time, the rest of the day went better.
Sorry you've had such trouble with the second nap. This is the kind of day I'd do EBT at 4:30/5...
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Funny he was just doing a 3 hour A time last week and this week he went to a 3.5 can he really be ready for a 4 hr a time already ?! I was finally able to get him to sleep a bit after 3 and he slept until 345 so another 45 min nap after a short morning nap and a 4.5 hr A time! Just seems crazy. So how do i work in 2 naps if he's up at 630 (ideally) naps from 1030-12 and then won't be ready for a nap until 4?! That seems so late for a nap and I'm afraid it will mess with his night sleep. Can he do a short last A time before after 2 long A times ?
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The 3hr A time was probably far too short - more appropriate for a baby of 6-7 months old.
Can he do a short last A time before after 2 long A times ?
Yes, I found and many others here have too, that if the 'main' 2 A times are long enough, the last one can be short. It depends upon the child, of course, but keeping A times even really goes out the window at this age.
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We have a few days now where he's refusing that afternoon nap again. We've pushed that first A time to 3.5 sometimes more. It's been 4.5 hours A time since morning nap and I still can't get him down! Then it results in him being asleep by 630 and up in the morning at 530! It just seems like he's too interested in crawling and cruising and he knows his brother is home and doesn't want to miss out.
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It just seems like he's too interested in crawling and cruising and he knows his brother is home and doesn't want to miss out.
Yep, this is a phase, TG it does stop eventually but its rough while you're in it.
It was the PM nap refusal that finally broke me and I did a 20min capped nap after a long A time in the AM then a short (2hr) A time while he was definitely OT and then put him down for a PM nap that he reliably took. It was a gamble but it worked for us. Not sure I could've done it with a toddler around as well though.
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I definitely can't swing that with the older one. At least his morning nap is decent and reliable. But wow being up from 11- 630/7 is a long day for everyone lol. I've tried earlier bedtime but he only sleeps 11 hrs to the min usuallly.
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Keep offering the pm nap here and there (maybe not every day if you can't bear it) - once he's through this 9mo leap which is a big one, he may start taking it again. Mine did and most LOs I've seen go to one nap at 9 months it has been temporary.
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It's been a long while since he's napped in the afternoon. He usually goes to bed around 630/7 and is up probably around 6 but I'm not really sure of that because he plays quietly in his crib. He has been taking a 1.5-2 hour sometimes more nap in the morning though. In the morning when I wake I look at the monitor and he's always up just messing around in his crib but quietly so i don't really know early he's gotten up. I'm asssuming it's around 6 because that's when I usually get up and he's always already up. But morning naps are getting trickier where he's not passing out right away when i put him in. So I'm not reallly sure how long of an A time he's doing. But he either needs a longer A time or he's up not as early as I think. We drop off big brother at school and get home around 915. We usually take a walk around the garden or go on the swing weather permitting and this seems to be a good wind down before the nap. Now that he's staying awake longer I'm not sure of a good wind down being that as soon as i put him down to stand he's off playing and I find it harder to get him to go down for a nap. My other lo used to sit for books which was a good wind down but not his guy. Any tips?
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Yesterday lo was up at 5 am! I didn't go in he made some chatting noises for a while and ended up falling back eventually (which he never does) and it probably took him a while to but I'm trying so hard to get a later wake time. Then I woke him at 7 (he's also has only slept as late as 7 a few times in his life). I was able to do nap at 1045 instead of his usual 930 and he slept his average time of a 1.5 hours woke at 1215 then bed at 7. He doesn't take another nap never really did no matter how hard I try. I was sure he'd sleep later today but he's up before 6 again. Ugh. We are gettin close to a year old how do I get him to sleep past 6 am ? He's only getting 1.5 hrs day sleep and about 10.5/11 at night.
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Yes, I think its time to fix that first nap later if you can. When WU is getting earlier and earlier, often that's because the first nap (or only one in your case) is too early. I think that might be part of why he's not falling asleep as quickly too - UT will do that.
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His day has been like this:
530/6 awake this is the tricky part as he doesn't make any noise in his crib so I'm never really sure when he actually wakes up. Today when I woke at 630 he was awake already.
630 bottle he's only taking about 6 oz breakfast around 730.
10 -1130 nap usually a 4 hour A time here. Like I said I'm not really sure could be longer. He usually goes down easily and on average sleeps 1.5 hours although twice last week he slept over 2.5 hours!!
1130/12 lunch
Formula in sippy cup with snack around 2/3 takes a couple oz only
430/5 dinner trying to make this later around 5 to see if it makes him sleep better at night but he's usually hungry by 430.
630 upstairs get ready for bed and bottle takes 8 oz asleep by 645/7.
I've tried bed early at 630 and as late as 730 trying to see if he'll sleep later in the morning but doesn't really make a difference he's alway up by 6 or earlier.
Am I doing bed too late or early? At that point he's been up for 7 hours! But I'm hesitant to try earlier than 630. He's happy and playful and very busy so I don't really push for that afternoon nap anymore like I was because it was very stressful a lot of crying and trying to resettle and my older one also
Needing my attention.
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You could try pushing that first nap a bit later.
Can you record the nap lengths and night lengths for a while? Just wondering if you have a bit of a longer OT/UT cycle going there with those sometimes much longer naps.
I think if you were to do early BT, it would have to be about 5pm. You would almost certainly be up at 3:30 or so for a resettle though :-/ Is that a time you could show him outside and tell him its still night time and he has to go back to sleep?
If its working for you and he's not cranky and horrid in the early evening, I'd be inclined to leave it and just know you may have to revisit in a month or two.
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He's going to be 11 months and he's yet to sleep past 630 ever! Yesterday he went to bed later at 715 but he was still up around 545 I think. Like I said he's quiet in his crib so I don't really know when he wakes I just happened to look over at the monitor and saw that he was up. I haven't been rushing in to get him I kind of wait and see plus I'm just exhausted from the early wakes. But it just seems no matter when he goes to bed he's up at the same time. Yesterday I'm pretty sure he was up around 545 time and he didn't go down for his first nap until 1015 It took him a little while to settle which it doesn't normally and he was up 30 minutes later! So I actually got him to take a second nap from 230 until about 345 so I thought he might've slept later the next morning I even put him to bed later around 715 but no change. I'm just feeling so defeated and tired and just want to get him to sleep a little later in morning so I have a chance to wake up myself lol. I'm used to the fact that he takes one nap and is pretty much up all day until bed But something's got to change with these early mornings.
Sorry for the long post I'm just so frustrated.
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I'm just feeling so defeated and tired and just want to get him to sleep a little later in morning so I have a chance to wake up myself lol.
I think you'd only have to do EBT once to know if it would reset the clock so to speak. He may still be up at 6am but with 13hr sleep, he may sleep better again the next night.
I thought you were getting up of your own accord and finding him awake - is that not the case?
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Yes when I wake like today at 6 he was already awake so I'm not sure when he actually woke but I haven't been running in to get him at 530.
So how early of a bedtime should I do? He only sleeps usually max 11 hours ( probably leas being that he's already up at that 11th hour but I'm just not up yet and he doesn't cry). I mean he only takes that one 1.5 hour nap I don't think it's unreasonable for him to then do a 12 hour night. Just need to somehow get him to sleep later. I'm afraid if I put him to sleep by 6 that he'll be up by 5!
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Once a week he does a catch up nap and sleeps 2.5+ hours too!!
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If he's awake at 5 but not waking you, not sure why that's an issue?
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I just don't feel ok with leaving him for long knowing he's awake waiting for me plus once I know he's awake I don't really fall back to sleep lol. And because I'm trying to get a later night later morning. Instead of 530 am- 630 pm 630 am to 7/730 pm.
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We've finally had some morning wakes at 630 or later this week for my 11 mo lo!!! We've put an ac unit in because of the heat maybe it's louder than the sound machine and helping to block out the cars and outside noises better? I'm not sure. He seems to still want to nap at 10 am no matter when he gets up and I've tried to push it out but his naps are shorter when I do. I've gotten a few 2 hr naps as well with only 3.5 hrs A time. Maybe he just likes the set nap time for now which is fine for me bexuae big brother starts summer camp next week and we need to be in the car earlier by 1145 for pick up. He still is only taking the one nap but he's asleep by 630/645 pm.