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Title: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 21, 2019, 22:08:52 pm
Hi!

I have written on other boards but unfortunately haven’t gotten a response; maybe because I’m not writing in the right place.

I’m at my wits end. My 5 month old (4 months adjusted) has been resisting her last nap and crying before bedtime. The last 3 days she has completely skipped her last nap but then is obviously overtired.

Today for example:

WU 7 am
S 9-10:45 am
S 12:45-2:15 pm
S 4:15-4:25 pm ( tried soooo hard in a carrier and she slept for only 10 minutes)
BT 6 pm (cried so hard)

She’s been on 1.75-2 hr wake times for maybe 2 weeks. She only wakes once at night for a feed but lately has been waking up only 30minutes-1hr after we put her to bed.

Yesterday she completely skipped it in the stroller and was awake for nearly 3 hours before I finally got her down for bed.

She’s gnawing at her hands most of the day and drooling a lot. Could it be signs of teething??

Please please please anyone help!!!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on June 23, 2019, 02:31:47 am
Have you tried feeding more, there is a big growth spurt around 4mo and as she was early it could be that.
I know around 5mo my eldest struggled to settle and cluster feeding from about 4-7pm seemed to help as it increased my supply and it actually translated to a later night feed.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 23, 2019, 10:25:18 am
I usually feed her every 3-3.5 hours. I follow her cues. She gets a top up before bed as well. Should I try a top up before her last nap?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on June 24, 2019, 06:49:15 am
If she’s unsettled and not sleeping definitely try feeding esp if you are BF A’s supply can drop off later in the day.
It’s also not abnormal to have unsettled periods that come and go at different ages, so it could be a stage that passes.
Be mindful too that sometimes they just need emotional connections and being awake is about getting more ‘cuddles’ to strengthen the attachment. Western culture is very hands off and clock watching, while many other cultures are much more baby wearing and don’t see problems where western cultures do. Sometimes it’s not food or sleep a baby needs but bonding and being unsettled is sometimes the only way they can communicate that.

It’s quite easy to get caught up in feeling comfort in the quest for the ‘ideal’, but in the journey of parenting it’s more how we connect in times of the challenges that help us the most. The feeling ‘ I must be doing something wrong that I’m not getting sleep like the book’ is a damaging one, where a ‘if he/she won’t sleep, cuddles will never go astray’ attitude is a positive one for everyone.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 24, 2019, 15:00:55 pm
I completely agree with your advice about tons of cuddling and baby wearing. It wouldn’t concern me if it weren’t for the screaming that is happening bc she isn’t taking a proper 3rd nap and is super tired during the bedtime routine. We have been putting her down at 6 but I really don’t want it to creep up anymore. She seems to need at least 15-15.5 hours of total sleep. That’s her average. On the days she is clearly OT it’s been 14.5. I guess she is high sleep needs total opposite of my older son lol

I can try the top up today to see if it helps.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on June 24, 2019, 22:08:01 pm
If she's screaming later in the day try slightly shorter A times in the day to see if it's not over tired by later in the day. Growing can make them need more sleep at random times (my almost 16yo is eating like a bottom less pit and yesterday he got home from school and slept an hour and went to bed earlier than normal too... I suspect hell grow another couple of inches in the next few weeks. If the last almost 16 years are anything to go by he needs more sleep at a growth spurt, so stands to reason for a 5mo.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 28, 2019, 01:09:18 am
I have been doing 1.75 for the first nap and she wakes at 35 minutes then the second nap between 1.75-2 hrs, still wakes mid-nap 35 minutes.

Last nap we have been out since we have an old DS and she has been flat out refusing it despite being in a car or stroller. It seems maybe she doesn’t want to kiss anything? When. I put her stroller cover on she protests. I finally get her to sleep after 3 hours A time whether it’s rushing her home to nap or she finally conks our from exhaustion. Of course it ends up being a 20-30 minute OT nap then it’s the scream fest to bedtime where she wakes once or twice within the first couple of hours.

Is this a phase at this age? Part of the 4 month regression?

My son had awful overnight sleep at this age...
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 29, 2019, 20:03:27 pm
Ok...after. 2and a half hour nap and a 2hr A time, she still does a 30 minute nap on her last nap 😫

Today went like this:

WU 7
S 9:19-9:40 am (DH put her down too late and she wouldn’t resettle)
S 11:00- 1:15ish (woke at 35 minutes resettled)
S 3:15-3:45 pm (wouldn’t resettle)

She is 5.5 months old, but born one month early. Is she OT or UT ahhhh
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on June 29, 2019, 21:26:41 pm
Sounds like she's overtired. Having an older sibling around can stimulate more. I'd try around the 1h 40mins and see what happens.
Although it could use be she developmentally at a point that sleep is haywire.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on June 29, 2019, 21:53:26 pm
I think you’re right. Maybe I also need more of a wind down. It’s hard bc my DS loves her so much and want to be part of everything so I feel like she basically doesn’t have a good wind downI just tried for another nap and she won’t go down 😩 it’s been 2 hours from her last short nap. She just keeps smiling which throws me off  but now she will probably scream as we put her down for an early bedtime.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 01, 2019, 13:46:46 pm
So I put her down after around 1:40 for her first nap and she gave me a 30 minute nap. No crying just wouldn’t go back down. She’s now 5 months and 3 weeks. Is it still overtired?

I feel like we have been stuck on the 1.5-1.75 A times for weeks yet I’m still getting what seems like OT naps.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on July 01, 2019, 22:00:16 pm
30mins tends to be overtired.
Increases in A time isn't linear and sometimes it's up and down. It will pass and there will be many other things to worry about so try to just accept maybe it's a part of her temperament rather than what you are doing.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 02, 2019, 16:46:16 pm
Now she’s screaming before naps. I’m starting to wonder if it’s discomfort. Today I watched for tired signs and put her down at around 1.75. She slept for 40 minutes then woke up. She resettled and I woke her at 1.75 hours to pick up her brother at school. She was cranky for this A and showed signs at 1.5. I put her in her swaddle and she was screaming crying which isn’t like her. To the point where I nursed her to sleep because I felt so bad. I know it’s prime age for teething and we are having a hot summer over here.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 02, 2019, 19:56:00 pm
 Hi, just wanted to share what worked for us. We had pretty much the same situation with DD 2 who refused first the fourth nap and later the third (the last ones) and in our case we needed to increase her A-time. I didn't realise at first as I was so scared of pushing to hard and her being overtired and she was also already at the high end of average a-time  for her age. She just turned 5 months and is doing 2,30 a-time. We always increase 10min at a time and hold for 3 days and by then she's not refusing the last nap anymore, when she starts to again we increase with 10 again. Maybe something to try? When you've tried everything else..😏
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 03, 2019, 00:57:57 am
That’s an interesting thought actually...

Today went something like this:
WU 7:22 am
S 9:06- 10:49 am (A 1:46; woke at 40 min resettled; I woke her up to go get DS at school)
S 12:43-1:06 pm (A 1:54; swaddled by about 1:40ish and screamed so hard that I nursed to get her asleep)
S 2.18-3:18 pm (A 1:14; again screamed when getting her ready for the nap; woke at 20 minute mark but resettled her)
S 5-5:30 pm (A 1:42; wouldn’t resettle but woke up happy)
BT 7 pm (cranky before the hour mark and tried to get her in bed as soon as we could but with DS needing dinner it didn’t happen; screamed while being put down; woke up twice before 9 pm screaming  :-\

Not sure if I’m in a good ole UT/OT loop or she’s just that OT that she needs super short A times or it’s something else at play.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 03, 2019, 06:13:53 am
It's not easy to know but for us, screaming and refusing sleep is UT. If she gets ot she screams a little bit but does fall asleep quite easily within 10min. Your atimes does seem short to me. You could search here for signs of needing more atime and see what you think. That's how I learned to see the signs. Don't remember all but for us it's shortening if the morning nap and naprefusal 🙂 Have you looked at the average atimes? that helps too.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 03, 2019, 12:58:52 pm
Yes her A times are short...I guess I figured bc she was born a month early and also clocks on the high side of total sleep, and her fussing around the 1.5 hour mark, that she needed these slightly shorter A times.

Last night she slept until 5:30 am had a feed but woke up around 6 which is on the early side since she usually does 11.5-12 hour nights.

Maybe it is a UT/OT loop. Bc I just tried 2 hour A and she woke at 25 but easily resettled. Do people usually stretch all A tubes or one nap at a tine?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 03, 2019, 13:50:18 pm
I don't know what's best but we do all at one time, but we take away some time after a short nap. I know that it can take a few days for them to get used to the new atime so if you want to try, hold for 3 days before changing, that's the advice we got and it always worked for us! They can get some ot naps at first but you should be able to see results in three days if short atime is the problem.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 03, 2019, 20:05:32 pm
I’ll give 2 hours of A a go. Today I got two broken naps so far (one was 1:22 after 2 hrs A; the other was 1:10 after 1:40A)
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 03, 2019, 20:17:12 pm
Ok, crossing my fingers it'll work for you! Keep me posted!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 04, 2019, 01:08:06 am
So last nap was after 2:15 A bc of my DS disruption and she napped for 1.75. We put her down for bed after 2hrs, she slept 30 minutes and is still up after almost 1.5 hours.

This has never happened. Does this sound like OT?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 04, 2019, 05:22:46 am
Oh, that  never happened to us so i don't know really what it means.. 30 min usually means ot if they wake up unhappy. but what do you mean she is still up? Is she unhappy and seems tired or just awake and refusing sleep?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 04, 2019, 11:06:25 am
She was fussy and seemed tired. Definitely not smiling as she usually is.  She finally went to sleep at 9:30 pm. I nursed her and she still didn’t fall asleep so not sure what that was about.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 04, 2019, 12:23:32 pm
No ideas I'm afraid, hopefully it was a one-off.. ::) when my girls have been overtired, they have never done that but I don't know what it means. My DD2 is behaving really weirdly right now, she's frustrated about something and unhappy but can be really happy aswell and I don't know what it is, every now and then I feel like a huge questionmark it seems... 🤔 will be interesting to see how your today goes!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 04, 2019, 14:26:30 pm
I’m assuming it was OT from the longer A times and longer day. She was crying off and on. I also think she’s teething and trying to roll over so yea lots of things. I decided to stick to first A of 2 hours because she gave me a 1.5 hour nap yesterday despite waking up at 35 minutes but that’s not new. She isn’t sleep trained yet and doesn’t connect sleep cycles for naps only at night.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 04, 2019, 16:11:03 pm
Ok. Yeah I'm thinking something developmental is going on with mine aswell, she started rolling over today. Seems to be affecting naps but not nightsleep (touch wood!) Keep me posted on how things go!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 05, 2019, 18:01:51 pm
Well I just don’t know lol

Yesterday she had one good nap in the am and bad naps for the day due to a bbq which is fine. We did an early bedtime and she slept from 7-8:45 am

I put her down for her first nap at 1:40 bc she was acting tired and she gives me a 35 minute nap but wakes up happy and unable to resettle.

I put her down after her acting cranky (or maybe being outside?) after 1.5. She fell asleep at 1:45A woke st 25 minutes i resettled quickly woke up at 1 hr mark happy and hungry (3.5 hrs after her last feed)

Her feeding times were off so I fed closer to her first nap (AEASAS) so It could have been a one off with her waking up after only an hour. She’s 5 months and 4 weeks.

Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 05, 2019, 20:12:49 pm
I still think from looking at that it seems to be UT. Even if she was early she's 5 months now right? So 2 to 2,30h average atime. I also read you can't rely on tired signs anymore at this age. And sometimes they need to be pushed but gently. When my DD2 is really tired I walk around (inside) with her in a sling, it's kind of a quiet prewind down which gets her calm. I don't have any other advice, would be interesting to hear someone elses opinion.

Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 08, 2019, 14:05:22 pm
Those are great suggestions. I think you’re right it is UT. She had an off weekend bc we were out of town. She caught up with a 3 hour nap and a bedtime 2 hours after that. Woke up at around 6:40. She got cranky at around 1:40A so I gently pushed to closer to 2A by holding her and slowing down wind down. She fell asleep within two minutes at almost 2 hrs (1:55 to be exact). She had a bit of restless sleep tossing and turning and napped 1:15 not crying but content.

Is a 1:15 nap still signaling UT you think? I know for my DS 1:15 sometimes meant OT but I doubt she’s overtired bc she barely did 2 hours before her nap.

I’m also wondering if she’s ready to weaning off her swaddle 🧐
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 09, 2019, 08:12:33 am
Yes I think it's still UT, might not be a problem if everything else is fine.  How's the last nap going now?

I don't know about the swaddle, I have never used it, it's not common in Sweden but I did try on DD2 a few times and she screamed bloody murder so I gave up.. 🙂

I think there's some info on here about when to wean the swaddle though
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 09, 2019, 10:24:07 am
Haha Yes I looked it up and will probably start weaning soon

Well I think I had a weird night bc of too much day sleep. I let her nap a lot  (5 hours total) and had a night with a long NW and an EW smh. I thought a good catch up day from a funky weekend but definitely went overboard lol

Trying again today with around 2hrs A for the first nap.

Thank you so much for the support! It’s so helpful to bounce things off of someone!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 09, 2019, 14:07:16 pm
ouch, that doesn't sound fun..it's so hard to get it right sometimes, I wish mine came with instructions! DD2s day sleep is all over the place right now, but she just started to resist her last nap again today so I will try to increase her a tomorrow, fingers crossed that's what it is..🙄

I was given the advice to keep the same a for at least 3 days and not change around to much. It worked for us with DD1. Try it for a few days and see where you are then, maybe she needs even more a to get it right.. 🙂
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 09, 2019, 14:08:22 pm
 Forgot to say, no problem! Just hope It'll help! 🙂🙂🙂
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 11, 2019, 14:01:42 pm
Morning!

So I have been doing 2A consistently in the am and have gotten at most an hour and 1:20 nap. Today she only slept for 15 minutes then woke up happy. I’m about to try again because now after a half hour she’s understandably tired. Maybe time for a push in A?

The second nap and been my disaster nap lol bc we are usually out with DS then I have her do a catch up nap for the 3rd which helps the nights.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 12, 2019, 19:15:42 pm
Hi!
Yes, I would try and push the A another 10min and hold for three days and see what happens 🙂 how old is she now adjusted?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 12, 2019, 20:19:12 pm
Hi!

She’s officially 5 months adjusted since she was a month early. Due date Feb 11th, born January 14th

Makes it tricky bc of this difference. If you were me would you still push a bit?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 13, 2019, 05:27:21 am
Ok. Yeah I don't know how that affect things but if we go by due-date I would still push 10min. My DD2 is born January 31st and is doing about 2,40 A-time. Babies are different of course but if we also go by what you write I'd definitely push! 🙂
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on July 13, 2019, 06:13:34 am
By 6months from Birthdate most of the 'catch up' has probably occurred. It gets difficult around 6 months as their physical activity and mental activity can be out of balance, so mentally tired but not Mobile, so not physically tired or if they are crawling, can be physically tired and mentally different. My eldest didn't crawl until 10.5 months and definitely needed more tummy time to be tired, while my youngest was commando crawling at 5.5months and he definitely a different sleeper as he had stimulation from his brother and greater mobility and LSN . So what actually worked for him (found by accident) was catnapping around a longer middle nap rather than textbook A times and nap lengths.
Have you tried mixed A times eg 2 hours before the first, 2.25 before the second? Some babies actually do better with variations
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 13, 2019, 09:08:06 am
These are great tips especially making sure she gets physically and mentally tired out. I try to do tummy time as much as possible but she’s not a fan lol so will only do it for a couple of minutes before crying lol however she is trying to roll over from back to front. She’s almost there! I know that kind of development can disturb sleep. She also seems to have a cold so today was funky in sleep and I tried my best to follow her cues.

I like the idea of pushing and trying variations in A times. I am noticing that she likes a slightly shorter A to bed.

So I’m wondering a start off point since I‘m going by what looks like tired signs (burying her head into shoulder, rubbing eyes, fussing) but then naps aren’t long enough.

For Ex:

WU 7
Nap 1: 9:10-11:40/12 (A 2:10)
Nap 2: ?
Nap 3 ?
BT?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Katet on July 13, 2019, 11:06:13 am
Honestly throw out the clock and follow her lead. If she short naps  and gets grumpy faster take her outside to see if it's boredom rather than tired. Either way fresh air is always good for children.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 13, 2019, 16:55:29 pm
Rolling over can definitely disturb sleep! Mine is rolling over to her stomach 2 seconds after I put her down and then cries out like "heelp I'm on my tummy" yay...  ::)
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 13, 2019, 23:03:18 pm
Lol don’t you just love them!  Excited and also not looking forward to weaning her off the swaddle. My son was weaned very early bc he kept breaking out at 3 months. She LOVES being swaddled. How can I tell she’s ready?

She’s very clingy not even wanting her dad. She’s also feeding a lot more today. Maybe a growth spurt? Maybe comfort bc she’s a little sick and definitely teething. I also have my time of the month so I heard it can cause dips in supply during it.

All in all today was all over the place but I expect that with her having a cold. I’m hoping to try out longer A times tomorrow.





Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 14, 2019, 19:58:59 pm
I really have no idea about the swaddle, but is it causing some kind of problem? If not and she loves it why not wait..?

Mine is like that when she's not well, could be anything and everything aswell 🙄

I had to push As again today, now we go in for wind-down at 2,40 and she did really well. I'm just a bit scared I'm reading the signs wrong beacause she's not really following the average..I actually think she could do a bit more..but it's a bit hard to entertain her when she's up this long and when I try she seems to get bored of everything really quickly.. what do you do with your LO, any ideas?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 15, 2019, 11:29:10 am
Yea we will keep her in the swaddle. We tried last night and it was a disaster. I think she’s definitely bothered by the teething. She was hysterical on wakings so we finally gave Tylenol and I nursed her to sleep. Tonight I may do medicine 45 minutes prior to bed and see if she settles better.

Her naps yesterday were short; longest was about 1:20. We had a night like no other, 3 NW before the 3 hour mark. And one longer one from 2-3 am where she was crying. Does this sound like pain?

Yesterday:
WU 7:30
S 9:30-10:05 am
S 12:15-1:51 pm (10 minutes of being awake around the 35 mark)
S 4-5:15 pm
BT 7 pm (asleep by)

NW 9pm, 10:10 pm, 2-3am,

Up for the day at 6:40 am

Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 15, 2019, 14:50:03 pm
No idea regarding the pain, but I guess it could be that or just being uncomfortable from the cold, does she have a stuffy nose? Mine would sometimes wake up from that. Doesshe seem hungry? Otherwise I read that night wakings could be caused from too little A-time 😉


 could be caused
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 15, 2019, 18:46:40 pm
Argh I forgot to mention ideas for entertainment!

-play music and dance
- she loves peek a boo
- read
- talk to her about well whatever
- tummy time
- plays with her brother
- go outside for fresh air
- let her splash in water even though she doesn’t really splash lol
- help her with toys we got her
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 15, 2019, 19:31:47 pm
Thanks for the ideas!

We do pretty much the same but we don't read to her yet, figured she'd just try and eat the book 😊 when I play peekaboo with her she looks at me like a boored teenager...🙄 we haven't tried playing with water, I'll give that a try tomorrow!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 15, 2019, 20:48:05 pm
I used to also do edible paint with my son when he had already started solids.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 17, 2019, 18:07:52 pm
Ok she’s officially 6 months and seems like the development stuff and her cold is wreaking havoc on naps which is causing OT NW right after bedtime.

15 minute naps are what exactly? Lol

Right now I keep trying to push her A gently but she’s not having it lol

She cries for sleep then short naps anywhere from 35-1:20 most. Her naps are getting shorter. Today it was only an hour then just now 15 minutes


WU 8:10 (shockingly slept in but I’m guessing her cold)
S 10:08-11:15 am
S 1:30-1:45 pm

I tried stretching out the morning but she was crying. Then she only naps an hour waking up happy. Any ideas on gently stretching out the A tine without heavy crying?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 18, 2019, 06:31:56 am
Oh dear..doesn't sound like fun...😬

We've never had real crying, just whining and the likes and for us the wrap or sling always work to keep them calm. With dd2 I usually have her in the sling for the last 30-40 minutes, jyst doing housework and listening to music which she loves but you have to be moving all the time. Also we have to check she doesn't fall asleep in there 😏 if I need to keep her distracted I'd go outside for a walk (with her facing out) or to tje playground with dd2 as entertainment. I don't know if those are options for you? But if you just do something interesting enough they may just forget that they're tired..
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 19, 2019, 12:10:52 pm
Thank you! I will try that.

Yesterday we had a very long morning nap after a 2hr A then a 1:15 nap after about 2:10 A (probably UT) then she completely skipped her CN and went to bed at 7 after 3 hours A 😬

Needless to say we had a very restless night. She woke up twice early in the night, then twice for feeding. I’m wondering if she’s going through her 6 month growth spurt too.

I have been reading a couple of posts and am wondering if she’s headed towards the 3-2 transition which means as we have said I definitely have to work to push out A times and possibly EBT to cope on days she won’t do a CN.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 20, 2019, 12:04:46 pm
We're right in the middle of 3:2 and it's a bit tricky but we don't have the same problems. When it's too late for a catnap and we've done EBT we've gotten a bit of EW which is understandable, she's done sleeping at 5.30 but not me... when we put her to bed around 8 she did a 2 hour nap the next day which I had to wake her from, can't remember the e last time that happened! So I know she needs less nightsleep to get good daysleep but it's hard to get the times right  ::) think it will be better when we're on the other side 🙂

is she over her cold yet? It's easier to know what's what without other factors! I think mine's teething..🙄

Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 21, 2019, 02:31:34 am
I think you’re right! Too much happening and I’m sure it will settle soon.

 I’m scared to do too early of a bedtime so the earliest I will go is around 6 which would still be OT if she skips her CN. Today she took her CN but her day ran long because of short naps in the am wogb the sitter and a long afternoon nap to catch up. We still got early evening wake ups ughhhh. She’s been waking every 3-4 hours the last 2 nights wanting to feed so I think we hit the 6mo growth spurt which I know is a biggy.

My pediatrician recommended starting solids at her wellness visit on Tuesday which we did two days ago but only like half a teaspoon of sweet potato then carrots. Tomorrow I’m doing carrots again before switching. It’s been so long since I did this (DS is 4), one meal to start off is the norm right?

Anyways she has a slight cold and is hungry and fussy. She also started a wonder week (leap 5) so I definitely see the effects of that.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 21, 2019, 15:31:55 pm
I did solids bw-style last time but didn't manage to wait a whole week before introducing a new food as tracy recommends in her book, it was just too exciting.. this time it's not so exciting, already done it once. Tracy says to start only for breakfast the first week and then adding lunch and after another week dinner and only a few tsp at a time. I just read that in my book I didn't remember either 🙂

We're just coming out of leap 5 in 2 days, I didn't notice anything in the beginning but she's been out of sorts for a couple of weeks so hopefully when it's finished she'll just go back to normal like pushing a button.. 😬

How's it going extending her atime?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 22, 2019, 10:34:02 am
Ok that makes better sense to start with breakfast I was doing dinner and it wasmt working out.

Leap 5 has been brutal thus far but it’s also converging with a growth spurt. She’s waking 3 times a night but only twice to feed.

Yesterday I extended it a bit but I think she went to bed UT bc she was up smiling at 5:45 am!!

Easy from yesterday
WU 7 am
S 9:22-9:52 am ( A 2:22; wouldn’t resettle)
S 11:48-2:52 pm (A 1:56)
S 5:16-5:49 (A 2:16; CN)
BT 7:22 pm

NW 8:22 pm; 1:30 am

Up today at 5:45  :o
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 22, 2019, 12:35:31 pm
Is the second nap 3 hours? In the book it says max 2 hours so they don't get too much daysleep and mix up day and night as I remember.

Have you tried to extend her A-time and kept it consistent for at least 3 days? It doesn't work (for us at least) if you keep changing the atimes around back and forth.. we're doing 2,40 A before we go in and do a quick wind-down. We're quite strict with times beacause if we get it wrong it's mayham. It's important for us to hear exactly when she wakes. The only thing we change is take off max 10min after a really short nap (30min)

Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 23, 2019, 17:06:14 pm
Yes the second nap was 3 hours which I let it go since she still has a slight cold and had a push first nap. I figured it was the too much day sleep thing that had her up at 5:45.

Last night was much better but I think she crashed from a day being off schedule and taking short naps.

For the next couple of days I’m sticking to 2.25 for the first and second nap. I agree I think not being consistent isn’t helping. It’s much harder when she is out and refuses to nap until she is utterly exhausted which is usually closer to 2.75.  Unfortunately, I just can’t stay in the house bc of DS.

The third nap I’ll have to see if 2.25 will help her settle quicker.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 25, 2019, 13:22:47 pm
What does 20 minute naps mean?

I have been doing 2.25 first A with mixed results. Today she took a 18 minute nap but woke up with a smile yet kind of touchy. Will try within an hour to put her back down.

I do believe she is teething. We gave her medicine last night to see if it helped her strange nightwakings and the night was better with one feed at around 1 am then at 6. She then slept for a half hour more and woke up close to 7 am.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 25, 2019, 20:09:46 pm
I don't know what 20min naps mean! We've had a couple of those aswell and I have no idea why. It was weeks apart though and only a few so it seems a bit random. Yesterday we had one but that was from DD1 who was playing with blocks and crashed her tower...🙄

Teething here aswell! I'm totally exhausted from trying to keep her happy all day 🤪
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on July 30, 2019, 20:42:00 pm
How's everything going?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on July 31, 2019, 14:08:08 pm
Hi!

Chaos lol

She’s definitely teething and going through her leap so can’t tease out this from needing more tweaking. Nights are better with medication. She will wake up once but gets resettled easily a couple hours after bedtime then does 1-2 NF early morning hours.

Naps are crazy! Lol she’s now 6.5 months old and I’m thinking she might need a push. Currently we are doing 2-2.25 A. So yesterday:

WU 7 am
S 9:20-11:03 am (woke at 40 took 10 minutes to resettle)
S 1:14-1:43 pm ( A 2:11; would not resettle but was smiley)
S 3:45-4:58 pm (A 2:02; woke at 30 took 10 minutes; woke happy)
BT 7 pm (NW around 10:30; NF at 4 am)

Up today at 7 am; tried nap for 9:15 fell asleep at 9:20; woke at 9:50 smiling and not going back to sleep)

Maybe UT?

How are you doing?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on August 01, 2019, 11:41:50 am
We've had chaos aswell due to teething but when she's awake, VERY cranky and unhappy. Unfortunately it coincided with a heatwave so haven't been able to take her outside much which is the best distraction otherwise 🙄 she has been sleeping more during the day and needing a lot less atime but now one tooth is out we seem to be back to normal, just waiting for the second one now..😬

Lexi just turned 6 months. What's your LOs name? We just started solids yesterday and she's waving appelsauce around the kitchen, not sure she's actually swallowing any cause she pushes it out with her tounge. How's solids working for you?

Still seems UT to me 🙂 we're at about 2,55h now
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on August 01, 2019, 14:16:32 pm
Ahhhh teething can be soooo hard for everyone. I’m glad you’re half way there with one tooth out. I can see her teeth right under the guys so hoping for them to cut soon. Nights are still going well with some medicine. She did a 13.5 hour night!! Probably from all the bad naps yesterday and teething.

Her name is Aria :-) she started solids very slowly but seems to love it so far especially when I put a tiny bit of BM. She’s definitely a purée girl thus far. My son was more into BLW. Every baby is different!

So today I put her down after a 2.5 A bc she was not tired at all from the long night. We will see how this nap goes. If she gives me a good nap should I just go for 2.5 for the second nap or go by signs. I also feel like her signs can be confused with boredom or needing a new scene. So hard to tell!!
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on August 02, 2019, 19:49:57 pm
Still waiting for the second tooth but she's not quite so bothered right now. She keeps pushing her chin out and running her tongue over the tooth like what the hell is this in my mouth, must be so weird for them! Looks hysterical 😊

I love that name, beautiful! Nice night! Mine does both 13 hours and 11,5h depending on bedtime since the naps vary so much and we're in the middle of 3:2 🙄

Well I think today she actually swallowed some food so we're making progress 😊

I don't know what will work for you but we don't usually go by signs, just times cause the signs didn't work for us, she could yawn and look really tired but if we put her to bed to early she'd do a 40min nap or just fight going down. I'm experimenting a bit now with keeping the first a 10 min shorter but everything is a bit all over the place now so not quite sure if that's right. I read that some babies prefer that and some longer first so I guess they don't have to be the same.

Is she still fighting the last nap?
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on August 03, 2019, 14:43:33 pm
Lol awwwww so cute! First tooth! They are so adorable when they get their first one!

Yay for solids progress! I’ll admit I haven’t been pushing solids too much. Still at one meal a day. I plan on calling the pediatrician to see when I can transition to 2 meals. She’s a premie and is about 5% in height and weight so her stomach is tinier. My concern is overstuffing her with solids and replacing milk which is not what is supposed to happen at this age.

Well she’s not fighting her last nap anymore bc her naps are stuck at 35 minutes smh.

I can sometimes stretch the first or the second but it takes ages. For example today took about a half hour on the first nap.

I’m doing between 2:20/2:25A but I think you are right she’s still UT. Traditionally 40-45 minute naps indicate UT so that’s what’s confusing bc she’s stuck at 35 and will be content. I doubt she’s OT bc nights are still solid at 12 hours sometimes 13 hours.

Maybe a UT/OT loop?

I’ve lost touch with what’s the average A. She’s always been on the higher sleep needs end of it needing lower A times but I’m wondering if I’m just needing to very slowly push? You could be right about first A being the shortest but maybe overall she needs a push.

She’s getting cranky at 2hours but we have been at around this A for about a month.

Again she is teething and going through this endless leap so it’s hard to tease out the cause lol
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on August 03, 2019, 16:39:47 pm
Tried to feed her applesauce at the park today..not the greatest idea I've had...😳 it was everywhere 😆

Her weight gain has slowed down a bit and they said it was common around 6 months and that she probably needs more than breastmilk so I'm quite eager to get her to eat. She happily eats every 2 hours and gets really upset if it's 3..so I think she needs more but I don't want to rush her either.

I thoght mine was ot but figured out when I clocked her she had a shorter sleepcycle, it's 38min and I was roughly calculating when she fell asleep and realised it was a bit earlier than I thought (as soon as she hit the bed) so what I thought were ot naps were actually ut naps!

Mine gets cranky around 2h aswell but is fine if you entertain her, that's not a tired sign from her, she rubbes her eyes when she's tired. I found I need to up her A every 2 weeks at least, sometimes 1,5 weeks.

I have this written down in a note..
Late 5 months/early 6 months 2 hours 30 mins - 3hours
6.5 - 7 months 2 hours 45 mins - 3 hours 15 mins. Some are getting more.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on August 10, 2019, 13:19:55 pm
How is she doing with solids. I upped Arias solids to twice a day b she was showing me signs. But the last two days she wants solids and a top up it seems. She’s low birth weight so I try not to withhold food so she can gain.

Good points on the sleep front

I’m still trying out the 2.5ish A. She cried today before her nap falling asleep closer to 2:40A and only napped for 20 minutes and I couldn’t get her back down.

Yesterday she gave me only 35 minutes. I’m definitely in the 3-2 bc I am faced with too long of a day or too long of an A before bed.

Yesterday;
WU 6:15 am
S 8:50-9:25 (wouldn’t resettle)
S 11:47-2 pm (woke her; she woke at the 50 mark hungry then I resettled)
S 4:25-5 pm
BT 7 pm (cried before bed)

I got a NW at 1.75 after bed; 2 NF at 12:30 am; 5:15 am
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on August 14, 2019, 11:15:08 am
Well, I think she's doing quite well, we're doing three times a day now and I've started increasing the amount since she opens her mouth for more 🙂 I'm not quite sure how much of it actually makes it in to her though as a lot seems to be in her face and unfortunately her hair..😳 she's not gaining as quickly and is up every 2,5-3 hours at night so I'm thinking she might need more calories, will se if the increased solids will help cause I'm going a bit crazy with these nights..migjt be a growth spurt I guess. She weighs about 7 kilos now and was 3,5 at birth. How about Aria? She seems to be lasting well at night!

We're also in the 3:2 facing the same problem, and when I put her to bed early she wakes up earlier aswell (yay) and then the next day gets even more screwed up. 🤯
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: JennVanessa1083 on August 15, 2019, 14:36:05 pm
Oh no!! Do you think she’s going through a growth spurt?

We are still doing 2 meals a day about 2 tablespoons at each meal. Thinking of transitioning to BLW since I got the ok from the pediatrician. Should be interesting since she’s not quite there in her grabbing skills and loves to eat lol

We got 2NW last night. I fed at both and she settled quickly for the first one at 11:30 but then at 4:30ish she took about a half hour to fall asleep again. Then my DH told me she woke up again at 5:30 fell back asleep at 6 then was in and out until about 7:30 am.

We did two long naps yesterday on 2.5-2.75 A then 2.25 to bed. She fell asleep rather quickly but maybe too little A? It was an 11 hour day.
Title: Re: 5 mo old not taking last nap!
Post by: Aimi on August 16, 2019, 15:04:00 pm
I think (and hope) so, she seems hungry all the time! But last night she did 2 4hour streches at least. I'm thinking I should start adding protein and fat to her foods so she'll get more calories. So far she's only getting fruit and rootvegetables. What foods are you giving Aria?

Yay for the long naps! 😀 but NW are no fun. 😳 The other night L woke up 2,20 after her dreamfeed and I thought that she can't be hungry so I tried to put her back for half an hour but then she started trying to eat me so I gave up and fed her. Don't know if our NWs are hunger or not but  for now I just feed her..🙄

I'm wondering if the 3:2 and difference in how long tve days are is resulting in NWs, it's certanly confusing for L. When we do 2 naps she usually wake up after 30min as if it was a catnap..

We do the same A before bed or a little longer since we did that accidentaly once and it worked very well. Just try and see what happens!