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Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 08, 2005, 00:06:47 am
Julie b - olivia was 10 days overdue and i was wondering about the link with growth spurts b/c she did 3 mo a week andf half before 3 mo and now she is 1 1/2 wks before 6 mo.  :?

Christine - was wondering where you were.  Teething does suck for most babies!  we have an awesome product here that is a homeopathic range of remedies (by Brauer) and i used that LIBERALLY with Alex - it is ok to use ongoing and tastes nice so she liked her "special drink".  i don't know if it is available in the states.  i know when we ran out of it in the UK when she was 12 mo. i tried to buy some and you cannot get amything like it - the pharmacist was impressed when i showed them what i brought from Australia.

Julie - i don't scroll through 37 pages each time - i just go to the last page.  the only reason why i would be against starting a new thread would be because i think it is good for other moms (and us to refresh memory) to read from the beginning  so i worry they woudl prune the old thread - will PM the moderators and ask about this
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 08, 2005, 01:50:30 am
One more thing... since our lo's seem to be sprouting teeth right and left, I wanted to pass on a word of caution.  I was talking to a friend of mine last week, and she said her niece had just had her four top front teeth pulled.  Her niece is ONLY TWO YEARS OLD!!!  Her parents had gotten into the habit of giving her bottles of diluted juice when she got fussy, including leaving a bottle in her bed at night.  Though they brushed her teeth twice a day, her front teeth simply rotted away from all the sugar.

I had read that it was not a good idea to let babies go to bed with a bottle (and it is not an issue for us at this point as Maya is ebf), but I had never actually heard of anyone who had actually had to have teeth pulled because of it.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 08, 2005, 05:00:12 am
Julie: How big is Matthew again?  Asher WAS big compared to others his age, but he's slimmed down quite a bit in the last 2 months.  I think it's because he's so active and we haven't started solids yet (and most already have).  Don't worry about it!  They regulate themselves just fine!  Oh, and Asher is a screamer too!   :roll:   He sounds more like a pterodactyl than a boy!   :lol:

Deborah: My little sisters, back in the 80s, had to have crowns on all their molars by age 3  :shock:  because of going to bed with a bottle -- of anything, really!  The dentist said only water!!

Christine/Deb: We have Hyland's teething tablets and Boiron Camilia liquid capsels that are great homeopathic remedies here!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: 2grlz on August 08, 2005, 06:33:32 am
Hi Ladies,

It will take me awhile to get all your names, so give me some time.

Thank you for posting your schedules, they helped me to come up with one that seems to be working.  DD has had two great days and I am hoping that this scheudle will work.  I am in the same boat as the mom who is up at 2:00, 5:30 and then 6:30 to start the day.  I am still hopefull that a decent schedule will get her to sleep in to 7:00 but I am just wishful thinking.

To the mom asking about Swaddling and the paci.  I had to stop swaddling at 6 months as Riley could bust out of anything that I put her in.  It just really made her mad.  So I switched to a sleep sac and that's worked out well.  My oldest DD slept in a sleep sac until 2 years old and I think it's what kept her from crawling out of the crib and also we never worried about her being cold at night.

My oldest DD is also a paci girl and still has one at night, for naps and on long car or plane trips.  It clams her down and she sleeps great; yes we did have to get up in the middle of the night sometimes but it was a quick one.  I prayed that Riley would like it too but no such luck.  I think the paci is a good thing as long as you can limit it and it doesn't interfeer.

I wish you all a wonderful night sleep!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: 2grlz on August 08, 2005, 06:42:16 am
Christine - you can give Tylenol every four hours.  Becuase I never knew how much the teeth hurt my oldest DD I would give it to her if she was really cranky and it had been four hours.  It really seemed to help.  She also seemed to get teeth in bunches, 8 in two weeks while we were on vacation!

I do think it get's easier as the teeth come in.  The first four seem to be the hardest.

Good Luck.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 08, 2005, 12:45:32 pm
I had to take notes just to catch up :wink:

First my update though- we are moving :shock:  :shock:  :D I am so excited!  Our house is going on the market in September.  Basically dh had a realization after we got back from our trip.  He missed "the west" CO, NM-so much, he feels he doesn't belong on the East Coast, so we are trying to move back.  It is a LOT of work.  I hope Eirwen will be ok as we will be apartment bound for awhile.  I am trying not to feel guilty about that. :oops:  :( It's not working...dh doesn't understand though, he's like, she'll adjust, she won't remember- it's not that really- I will remember though...maybe I am just being oversensitive :?

Eirwen has been wonderful the last few days, a little too perfect maybe :wink: I have been loving being a mom lately probably because she is being such an angel.  Only thing new is that she gets frustrated grumpy when I eat and she isn't...she wants to be included now, so I am trying now to give her solids when I eat so we eat together :D

Heather- when you go to lillypie there is an upload area down at the bottom after you make all of your selections.  Pics have to be on the small side though...like here.

JulieB- We don't go to church but I have been wanting to take Eirwen to yoga and other such stuff and it is very difficult because it seems that most of these times are her nap times.  I am just looking forward to the future I guess!  Your eating issues sound a lot like mine in the first 3-4 months.  Have you ruled out hind milk issues?  Do you still single side feed?  Are you against the meds?  You sound so together about it though!

Vidya- How is the independent sleep going? Any luck changing that?

Deb- Your girls are so beautiful!  Do they really have that dark auburn color of hair!!! :shock: It's amazing!  Eirwen's 6 month growth spurt was 2 weeks before and it lasted 7 days with 2 night wakings and 3 days of 1 night waking.  I think it would have been shorter but I had trouble getting my day supply up.

Schae- feel free to go slow on the solids.  I'm sure it's not your cooking.  He has another couple of weeks anyway.  I had to try again and again with Eirwen and even now I'm not sure she's into it every time I offer.

Tarri- so right about the month v. week thing!  I was getting so confused for awhile :oops:  Eirwen was 2 weeks early though so I have noticed that she "matches up" in development if I take those two weeks off...my doc is going by months now so I am too, even though there are 5 weeks in one and 4 in another...eeek...ugh  Oh, you're the resident expert with early teeth- any teething suggestions for those of us just starting??

Julie- how big is Matty! Please share!  I love big babies! You should be proud!  Are you still breastfeeding?  How is it going?  OH, and we don't swaddle, abandoned it way early...too much of a kicker...

Christine/Deborah- I read on another thread that Baby Motrin is better for teething and this seems to be true for Eirwen.  I think her gums are very swollen although nothing is poking through yet.  I gave her some and she was so much happier.  Told not to give on empty stomach though...and it lasts much longer than tylenol.  But you can also be more liberal with that too.

About the whole rotting teeth thing- I did postnatal yoga with a woman who had to have her son's teeth completely repaired at 18 months but it was due to breastfeeding!  I guess he was a REALLY long nurser (She was doing attachment parenting and would let him nurse as long as he wanted).  Just a word of warning for the breastfeeding moms too.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 08, 2005, 12:50:05 pm
Jaime- I just realized that Eirwen is only 1 day older than Luke! How neat!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: alligirl on August 08, 2005, 13:31:18 pm
Hi ladies!  Sorry to butt in, but I got a note saying that you all might be interested in starting a new thread.  I'm going to tale the last five posts and start a new thread with them, so  you can keep your conversation.  But I'm goilg to lock this thread so you aren't working off of two threads! :D

Happy chatting!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 08, 2005, 13:56:50 pm
Hi Everyone,

It seems we have a new thread. :? 

We're on our 2nd night of wake-to-sleep.  So far I'm still not getting much more than 2 hours sleep in a row.  I've turned down my monitor as much as possible.  I hate it though because it's like at a certain point you can either here everything or nothing :evil: .

This morning she had her first solids.  I gave her about 2 tsp of rice cereal.  Very watery.  It mostly ended up on her chin but I'm so glad she didn't seem to mind the spoon or the taste! :D   It's just a matter of practice I think.  I know BW recommends pears to start but my dh is somewhat allergic to pears so I'm not going to give her any for a couple years I think.  I think next week I'll either try carrot or apple.  What do you think?

Emily is squirming all around her crib.  Now half her night waking is cause she's got her head stuck on the crib slats or her leg sticking out.  She usually ends up 90deg to how she should be and she's long enough that her legs and head touch the crib sides when she's like this. The other half of night wakings seems to be cause she's unswaddled her legs and wants to be tucked in.  I tried using the bolster again but it just ended up with her at one end of the crib and the bolster at the other.

Julie, swaddling is also becoming an issue with us.  She's swaddled from the waist down and I keep a loose peice on her chest that she grabs with her hand and pulls up to her face.  I'm not sure if I should stop.  On one hand it stops her from kicking her legs and scratching her legs (ezcema) on the other hand she wake up when she squirms out.  I think we'll have to bite the bullet soon though and stop the swaddling.

Branwen, Emily has teethed a lot but I found the tylenol did nothing to help her.  Yesterday I looked at the nov/dec mom's thread and they seemed to have better luck with Motrin so I'm going to try that next time.  Although my baby book says it's worse for them than tylenol.

Also, I can't remember who recommended the calendula cream for ezcema but it is definately helping a lot :D .  It doesn't get rid of it like the cortisone cream but it reduces the redness and dryness enough that I don't have to use anything else.

Hope everyone has a good day!

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 08, 2005, 15:40:37 pm
Tarri, after rice cereal I gave applesauce.  I would mix it in the cereal, and she LOVES it.  They also make it in jars this way, with different cereals and different fruits.  Carrots were our first veggie, and I offered it first with a bit of applesauce, then slowly took out the applesauce.  She makes a face at every spoonful that is a different taste, but after she realizes it's okay, she carries on.  HTH
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 08, 2005, 16:13:32 pm
What a morning!   :shock:   Asher was up at 5, playing, and again at 6, crying.  I couldn't get him back down.  I was tired of fighting with him so I just got him up (6:20).  He started crying his head off at 7:30 so I offered him the other side, which he took.  But every time he stopped, he'd cry while I was trying to burp him.   :?  Then he spit up a bunch of what he had been eating!  He just wouldn't stop crying so I got him ready for a nap.  Cried through the whole diaper change and most of the (shortened) wind down.   :shock:   Currently sleeping.  I just can't go on each morning like this.  I used to have trouble getting him to sleep till 8, then I moved his schedule up till 7.  It was fine for a while, now I can't get him to sleep till 7.  I KNOW if I moved it up again, I'd just have a hard time getting him to sleep until 6 then!  :evil:   I think I'm gonna post a message on the nightwaking board.

Branwen: Know how you feel about everything being during nap times.  There have been several birthday parties and play groups we've missed out on.   :(  Oh well! 
I fixed whatever imbalance I had and we had two better days and then it was back to more spit up.  I think I've exhausted all possibilities at this point.  So that's why I'm pretty sure it's reflux.  We are more on the homeopathic end of the spectum and try to cope with things in other ways before resorting to traditional meds (for Asher at least  :lol: ).  DH takes meds for reflux, so it was ultimately his decision since he knows what it's like to live with.  We would have resorted to the meds if we couldn't find another solution and Asher was still uncomfortable.  But Asher deals with it like a champ, doesn't even seem to phase him anymore!  It bothers us more than it does him, so that's why we've just let it go.   :wink:   I single-side fed up until a few days ago.  I've been offering both sides, hoping he'll take more in and sleep better at night since I haven't started solids yet.  Hasn't worked yet.  :(   If anything, he's been overeating and spitting up more!  :lol:

Tarri:   We have the same problems at night.  Asher actually likes to sleep with his feet/legs propped up on the side of the crib.  Sometimes they fall through the slats and he gets frustrated.  He also has a blanket around his legs.  I think he gets in weird positions and get's disoriented.  I was the one who mentioned the Calendula gel/ointment/lotion/etc.  Glad it's helping.  They make different kinds with different dosages, so when you use that up, you could try a different.  I use the gel on Asher's diaper rashes, but the lotion doesn't do anything for them (used that on the cradle cap though).  Go figure!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 08, 2005, 17:44:54 pm
guess our chats have gotten too big for one thread!!  :D

deb - loved the pics of your girls.  i always think shots on the beach look so artistic.  i have a shot of dh holding each baby on the beach when they were 3 months old...

branwen - i don't think i ever put 2 & 2 together on the kids birthdays!  that's so cool!  good luck with moving & everything... i understand what you mean about being sentimental - after all, you're living in the house you brought your baby home to.  it'll always be special.

julie - we actually still swaddle, but only from the waist down; he's always had his arms free.  he's starting to get to the point where he doesn't mind (much) if he breaks loose, although sometimes when he cries he goes right back to sleep if i rewrap him.

christine - as long as you follow the directions on the medicine bottle, you should be okay.  i usually wait 6 hours on tylenol before dosing again though, or i only dose at night to help them sleep.  i'm like you - i never want to medicate unless i have to, and even then not for long.  usually the worst of teething is over in a couple days - at least with my kids!  sometimes the tooth hasn't broken through at that point, but they seem to feel better for a while.  i've also used baby orajel with a bit of success too (though not on luke yet)

hope i didn't forget anybody... i forgot to take notes on the other thread before i moved over here!  my mommy-brain is alive and kicking!  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 08, 2005, 20:19:09 pm
Hello there

I'm just popping in to let you know that I'm still reading posts.. just not having much time to reply.

Good luck to those who are teething, not looking forward to that.

Someone mentioned a solids question, I started Luka on rice cereal and then moved onto butternut. I wanted to start with veggies, but we are now on pears and banana.

Vidya and Julie, I hope it comes right with the sleeping. It's really tough not getting any sleep.

We stopped swaddling early as well. But that was because we were tummy sleeping.

Branwen: good luck on the moving. When do you expect to move exactly? It must be bitter sweet leaving your home, but look at it as a new start, new experience for Eirwen.
And it's nice to know someone doesn't think my cooking sucks!  :lol:

Keep well everyone!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 09, 2005, 01:25:17 am
:D  :D  :D I have my computer back!!!! I didn't realize how dependent I was on it until I got it back today. So I shall be back in business checking in on everyone daily!......Till school starts and I have to go back to work.  :( 
So I have missed out on some of the conversation, since our thread was changed, but I'll do the best I can with what I have read.

Tarri - After cereal we went with veges and did the sweet potatoes. She loved them and still does. Then we went thru all of the veges and have only recently started the fruits.

Julie B - I understand your pain in the wake up time. We try and start our day between 6:30 and 7, but some days she will will be up at 5:30 and then that throws the whole day off schedule, to which I HATE becuase I am such a schedule freak!

Branwen - Moving? Good for you... I think? It's what you and DH want? Where do you think you'll go exactly, or did you mention that? Too many posts, I got confused! I'm sure Eirwen will adjust fine, but I understand where you're coming from. It will be a big change for her!

Schae - Nice to hear from you!!!!

Jaime - how's teaching going? I was watching the Today show today and they did a blurp about how schools in southern Florida are starting so early and how parents are not happy. How do you feel about starting so early? If you start this early, when are you done for the year? How are the kids adjusting to the sitter? I have such mixed feelings about going back. Some days I am excited becuase I love teaching and I really miss my kids, but then I look at Leah and it makes me sad to have to leave her.

Tracy - 8 teeth in two weeks?!?!?!?! Oh god, I'm just hoping we can make it thru these bottom two!!!!! The jagged parts are still sticking out, but the rest of the tooth has not come thru. She wants to chop on everyuthing. Including her daddy's nose!  :D I missed the schedule posting, but I will post mine later. I too am up a few times in the night, but mainly to pop that paci back in the mouth....maybe some day she'll learn to put it back in herself!!!

STRANGER ANXIETY ANYONE? Alright so my DD who normally will go to anyone and loves people freaked out today! I took her into the repair shop to pick up my computer and their was this old man in a cowboy hat. He looked at her and started talking to her. She started screaming so hard she couldn't catch her breath and was shaking her head back and forth (likes she was saying no!) I thought maybe it was just that man, but then my boy cousin stopped by today, whom she doesn't know very well and she did it again, when he started talking to her. Anyone else ever have this happen? Of course this starts right when I have to go back to work! I better start taking her to the sitter's house daily to get used to her!

Well take care everyone! I am off to make wedding invitations (my sister is getting married in October!)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 09, 2005, 03:26:45 am
Hi Christine, stranger anxiety started for Asher a couple months ago, but separation anxiety officially started on Saturday!  :shock:  He usually plays on his own very well but barely let me out of his sight all weekend!  This afternoon has been better.

School started today in my neck of the woods.  It's started in August here for years.  Some schools even start the end of the July!  They let out around May 25th and often have a week long fall break in addition to the winter and spring breaks.  I still think it's sad though and miss the long summer vacations (not that I've had one in ages!  :lol: ).  Good thing I plan to homeschool!   :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 09, 2005, 12:02:13 pm
julieb - are you in florida???  i thought we were amongst the few that started school so early.

christine - teaching is going okay.  our school had a bit of an upheaval last year, so we have 19 new teachers & staff - including a new principal.  i think it's going to be a good year though.  i don't really mind starting so early cause it means we are done with the 1st semester (and exams) before christmas & get christmas break totally off.  we are done for the year before memorial day.

kids are adjusting really well at the sitter's.  jaina was fine since she knows her.  luke had a rough start, but after the first 2 days he started napping like a champ.  i think he's working on another tooth, but we'll see.

anyhow... better get to work  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 09, 2005, 13:59:36 pm
Welcome back Leah's mom :) .  I forgot you said you were getting your computer fixed.  Also, cute pic!

Last night we had an amazing night :D  :D  :D .  She woke at 8:30pm and I gave her 10oz (cause she was so overtired at dinner, she wouldn't drink more than 2 oz).  She did wake several times in between but per herself back to sleep everytime.  And I knew she had a good sleep because she was doing that kind of happy, talking whisper sounds for 15 mins after she woke at 6:30. Yeaaahhh.  I feel like me again  :D (I wonder if the secret was giving an earlier dream feed?Hmmmm)

Asher's mom, how old is Asher?  Do you think the seperation anxiety is affecting his naps at all?  I was thinking that this was starting with Emily but I wasn't sure.

Have a good day and night everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 09, 2005, 16:49:47 pm
We saw the first signs of separation anxiety at about 5.5mos (though we do not know alot of people where we live, and there is no family close by, so she doesn't see alot of people besides us).  It was really rough on grandmas, both of whom she saw around that time.  It helped if I sat her on my lap next to the new person, so she could look at them and check them out from the safety of my arms.

We're having some scheduling/routine difficulties here.  Maya is definitely ready for a four-hour routine from a sleep standpoint (she can now go two hours awake without too much trouble), but until we get solids more established, I need to keep her on a three-hour routine to keep my supply up.  The problem is 45-minute naps.  We reread the pertinent sections of the second book last night.  I don't think it's due to a too-short awake time as I am keeping her up for two hours at a stretch.  It also mentioned overstimulation while awake as a possible cause.  I am hoping that may be it.  We have been really busy lately.  I am hesitant to try PU/PD as we had no success with it last time we tried.  Any thoughts?

Also, those of you with babies suffering from reflux... what are the symptoms?  Maya has been spitting up in voluminous quantities (~ 1oz)for the last week or so, and this is new for her.  Sometimes she brings up what she just ate (still undigested), and sometimes it comes up an hour after she ate.  It's just never been this bad before.

School started here yesterday too - we are in Jacksonville, FL.  What happened to the days of starting after Labor Day?  Summer's not over yet!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 09, 2005, 19:47:21 pm
Tried wake to sleep last night for the first time at 5 am.  He then woke at 530, 600, and 615.   :(  BUT, he did go back to sleep until 700.  We'll try it again tonight.  :)   I'm so tired!

Tarri: Congratulations on the good nights sleep!!  :D   I definately think the seperation anxiety has started to affect bedtimes and some nap transitions.  It's not every time though.  So I don't know!   :roll:

Deborah: Can you feed her again an hour or more later?  I know that's inconvienent.  I'm doing that now so he doesn't go OVER 4 hours, since we haven't started solids yet. 
I also had trouble with PU/PD and read the sections twice!  :shock:   But then I figured out the key!  She said you have to put them down the SECOND they quiet down.  Even though I was only holding him for 30 seconds to a minute at most, it was still too long!  So now I PU, the second he stops, PD.  If he won't stop crying after a minute, I PD anyway and try to resettle in crib.  If not, PU again.  If he arches out of my arms, I PD and try to resettle in crib.  If not, PU again.  I usually only have to do this 5-6 times before he quiets in my arms and lets me put him back down without crying again.
I'm not an authority on reflux, but I don't think it's as popular to start symptoms so suddenly at this age.  I suspect a food sensitivity or a stomach bug instead.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 09, 2005, 20:18:35 pm
JulieB - Do you mean clusterfeed at the end of the day?  Some of our intervals are already under 3 hours to fit in the five feeds.  For example, she's still napping now, so I probably wind up feeding her at 5ish and 7pm (bedtime feed, consistent no matter what the rest of the day is like).

As for the spit-up, I hope it's not a stomach bug.  She's had two already (the first was dreadful and avoidable - curse people who knowingly bring germs in our house), but she usually skips the vomiting phase and heads straight for the intestinal distress.  I can't think of anything new foodwise.  She's been getting rice cereal for over two weeks now, and we recently started adding a teaspoon of prune juice to it, but she's been bringing her meals back up since before that.

If the napping issue continues, I'll have to try PU/PD.  What happened before is that she'd stop crying when I came in the room and start when I tried to leave.  But she won't fall asleep while I'm there.  I'll have to reread that section again.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 09, 2005, 21:52:12 pm
Deborah,

Well, I guess it's kinda like cluster feeding.  I feed Asher one side, then an hour or so later, I feed him the other side (when you'd usually be giving solids, I guess).  He has a hard time taking both at once (gets very full, spits up more).  His awake time can go longer now, but if he naps for 2+ hours, he'll go over the 4 hour schedule (and prolly wake early and hungry!).  I noticed at bedtime I end up feeding him shorter than 4 hours because I can't make it part of his bedtime routine anymore.  So he eats about 30-45 minutes before he actually goes to bed.

Know what you mean about people's illnesses and their lack of courtesy!  My whole family knows how careful I am because I don't vaccinate, but they don't have the slightest problem coming over with their colds and coughs!  I have to precursor every invitation now with "Has anyone been recently or currently sick?"   :x
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 09, 2005, 23:42:16 pm
Deborah, my dd has reflux.  She had it from day 1, but I only figured out out at about 2 months and then the doctor gave us liquid Zantac and she got way better.  Her symptoms were waking up with a pain scream in the middle of a deep sleep.  Spitting more than 2 hours after she ate, arching her back alot while breastfeeding and bobbing on and off.  A grimacy pain face when I laid her down on her back and lots of gas.  My guess is that you lo doesn't have reflux because so far I haven't heard of a baby getting it this late, this is supposed to be the age where they start to improve.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 10, 2005, 00:44:37 am
Deborah - Leah started spitting up more around 5 months. She never used to, and now she does at least two to three times a day. I just assumed it was an age thing. It doesn't bother Leah though, so i don't worry about it. Does it bother Maya?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 10, 2005, 01:01:06 am
It does seem to bother her at times, though it may just be disorienting for her.  She brings quite a bit up, especially for a baby who never used to spit up.  Tonight it came out her nose.  She did not like that.  She has also taken to bobbing off while feeding and arching her back, but I had attributed that to distraction (it's much worse when dh is in the room).  It doesn't bother her when I lay her down, though.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 10, 2005, 10:04:14 am
Deborah - Olivia also started spitting up more over the last month - not sure if there is a link with age though.  I have been told that a majority of reflux cases sort out around 6 months so it would be unusual (but obviously possible) to start at that age.

We started solids yesterday but she's not interested.  I am not pushing it - the first time was with the Speech Pathologist (who has now come 3 times and is returning Monday to watch her eat again).  at least she finally opened her mouth once for it yesterday (afetr i pretended to eat it).  mostly she has her mouth clamped shut and when a little gets "pushed" in she does not like it.  we'll see as she gets closer to 6 mo (9 days away).

the speech Path. is still not 100% sure about Olivia - it mostly seems we had an aversion issue as she is feeding better now.  There is an issue with the amount of mucus she produces though. i plan to post on the med. board b/c she has had a runny nose and congestion and bad breathing since she was 5-6 weeks old and it has gotten worse.  The SP is referring us to an Audiologist to check her middle ear to make sure it is not getting clogged from all the mucus and I am taking her with me to the GP on the 18th - I hate to say it but hopefully when i feed her there they will hear her bad breathing etc and tell me if it is normal.  The ped. i saw at the clinic was terrible and just listened to her while she slept and said "sounds fine to me" and when i said it is worse when she eats... she said "anything that comes and goes like that can't be too serious"  :roll:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 10, 2005, 11:23:45 am
Deb- sorry that the speech pathologist wasn't too helpful.  Could Olivia have allergies- just a thought about the mucus you mentioned?  Does she have sleep apnea?  I heard some babies have this.  Does she snore?  Gasp? Eirwen used to snore and snort really loud in sleep as a newborn.  Doc said it was because mucus membranes weren't developed yet but if it continued that might be a sign of sleep apnea?

Deborah- my dd is also starting to push off the breast and arch.  Most of the time it is distraction but sometimes she really doesn't want to eat and gets really upset if I try to put her back on.  Because of distraction I can no longer nurse in public or when my dh is around too.  She will pull off and look over at him, go back to eating, and then look for him again.  Too cute but really gets frustrating for me after awhile, esp after my shirt gets soaked! :roll:

Could she be over-eating?  I've noticed that my dd is especially not hungry at certain times but then will over-eat at the next feed?  She will spit up quite a lot if this happens.  It's like she doesn't understand all of the time that her tummy is so tiny!

We're having touchy baby frustrations.  Lately in public she is so unhappy.  Everything seems overwhelming to her...she's been pushing away all of her toys.  Yesterday these women teased saying she looked as if she would karate chop them.  I wanted to kill them at first but then I was like...yeah, she does look that way.  I just wish sometimes everyone else would get to see the fun, giggling baby that smiles and coos...and then sometimes I'm secretly glad she's only that way with me...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 10, 2005, 11:51:05 am
Branwen - sorry you're having touchy issues - at least she is happy with you - maybe she just senses when people are not her type...  :lol:  she is just picky about who she wants to hang with !

the SP is actually really good - she just doesn't want to send her off for any unnecessary tests but is being thorough - she is watching us very closely and actually lookng beyond her specialty to find answers.  The Ped we saw was the B***H with no bedside manner who was patronizing and dismissive (and has an amazing academic reputation but no people skills i guess!)

we were thinking about allergies as well.  I wash the girls stuff in sensitive detergent b/c Alex has a permanent skin reaction/rash and i wanted to prevent it with Liv.  I have been using regular stuff on our clothes but was thinking she snuggles into us... and could be inhaling soemthing / reacting???  or something in the air? i am going to discuss with the GP on the 18th i guess.  Her nose either streams with snot, or gets stuffed up... when she sneezes i race in with the aspirator and an amazing amount of mucus comes out in a LONG string that runs sometimes right around through the other nostril (YUCK) and her breathing is rattly and wet.  This morning at one feed she wpould not take more than 3 1/2 oz and I finally gave up.  a half hour later we had a sneeze and clearing and my sister suggested that was the reason she would not eat - surer enough she downed another 4 oz!! it was the best feed of the day.

Can't remember who asked about nightmares but Olivia had one tonight. She went down fine at 7:15pm and at 8:15 we heard all this screaming and wailing on the monitor and Dh ran in to check and she was moaning and crying out..and very upset.  nothinhg was woring but she sure did get disturbed by something and was so upset - he shushed her and held her and put her dpown and she re-settled thankfully but for a second i was going to cry myself! so sad and upsetting!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 10, 2005, 11:58:05 am
I was the one who asked about nightmares! It is sooo scary when they cry out like that!!! :(  :shock: She hasn't done it again thank goodness!  I think I'm convinced that is what it was...something disturbing her.

When Eirwen had a bad cold that dh passed around to all of us :wink: she would hardly eat at all from the congestion.  I had to suction her before every feed to get her to eat more than a couple minutes.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 10, 2005, 12:06:52 pm
I don't know if maybe i shoudl just put nose drops in before every feed and suction...  her feeds have been pretty low/erratic this past week (not uncommon for her to have a 3 1/2 - 4 1/2 oz feed and also have 7-8oz i never know what i am going to get).

if we were having the 6 mo growth spurt it is already over (maybe lasted Sunday - Tuesday)  all she did was go a few days where she couldn't wait 4 hours and was hungry 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 hrs and took a little more food than "normal".  does that sound right??? Today she ate every 4 hrs and her total so far (still have DF to go) is only: 770ml (28oz?)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 10, 2005, 12:33:33 pm
Deb - Hopefully the spit-up thing is just a phase.  In the meantime, though, she's generating alot of laundry.  Usually she manages to get either dh or I as well.

What you described sounds like a growth spurt to me.  Maya's lasted a bit longer, but we were travelling so it took longer to get my supply up to her demand.

Maya also used to have congestion/excessive snot issues, but it wasn't as bad as you describe.  The ped chalked it up to her getting milk in her sinuses when feeding, but in her case, it was worse after a feed, and she seemed to grow out of it by about 4mos.

Branwen - Maya has been super-distracted while eating lately as well.  I have given up on trying to feed her anywhere but the nursery.  I am torn, though, between doing whatever it takes to get a good feed and trying to get her to focus even when there's someone else in the room.

I suppose she could be over-eating at times.  I'll have to watch and see if I can correlate.  For the past few days, though, it has happened with just about every feeding.

We have also been dealing with touchy baby issues.  I get alot of comments (and unsolicited advice) when we are out because she won't smile for strangers.  We can no longer go grocery shopping in the early afternoon (we live in FL, and that's when the old biddies shop).

Nightmares - Maya also wakes screaming a couple times a week, usually about 45min to 1hr after putting her to bed for the night.  Sometimes she settles herself, other times dh goes in and changes her diaper (that distracts her and she settles down) and puts her back to bed.  Dh was rereading the second BW book, and he found a mention that it might be related to overstimulation before bed.  When we thought about it, some of the nights she did it, we had been out running errands before her last feed as opposed to her usual stroll around the neighborhood.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 10, 2005, 13:46:17 pm
Debra, sorry your lo is having such nose difficulties.  And I wanted to let you know that Emily drinks only 26 to 30 oz total a day.  And she weighs at least 17 lbs so your lo's consumption sounds good to me.  Every day she only drinks 3-5oz for her second meal and then is starved for her next meal. 

Also, I know what you mean about sneezes, everytime Emily sneezes I say good girl and give her lots of tickles, now she smiles everytime she sneezes cause she knows its a good thing.  Then I can get those boogers out!  But she has nothing like what your going thru.

You've probably already thought of this but just in case it's food allergies, maybe you could try a different formula?  I'm in the middle of switching brands (I'm changing by 2 oz every 3 days) and I think she's doing better because her poo is more yellowy and more like her old bf poos.

Well, tomorrow I'm off to the big city (Toronto) to see my parents and my Dad's family are visiting from England.  My cousin has a 7 month old so this will be the first time Emily will be with another baby.  I hope it goes okay and that she doesn't cry long in the car like last time.

Have a good day everyone!  Tarri  (PS, I added some pictures in the photo gallery)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 11, 2005, 00:13:14 am
Deborah -
Olivia is extremely distracted during feeds - we have always battled this (at least now we can feed with the light on).  I keep trying to offer food out of her room at least every so often, but she always does better in her room.  If alex makes any noise she just stops feeding....  she also loves to look at the lights.

Also, "milk in her sinses" is something the SP mentioned to have investigated - she said some milk could be going up through her palate if it is not sealed??  properly.  even if the shape is right it might be leaking through.  fun.  will be checking  that too.

Tarri - cute photos.  when was your Dh birthday - my Dh's is today!
Olivia has green poo and suffers from constipation - I hhave thought abot changing formula but it seemed to start before the bottle so cannot remember.

alex is begging for cuddles so have to go.  have a good trip to Toronto.
Title: picture
Post by: sedona314 on August 11, 2005, 02:04:25 am
Still trying to post a picture.  Hope this works.

Matty - 5 1/2 months
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 11, 2005, 02:07:52 am
It worked!!!!! Matty is soooo cute, watch out - some day you're going to have girls calling your house like crazy!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 11, 2005, 02:10:00 am
So now that I look at Leah's picture next to Matty's, I notice that they both have the same expression - "What are you doing mommy? What is that shiny silver thing you're pointing at me!?!?!" Leah has such a cute smile, but the minute I break out the camera she looks at me with this puzzled look and WILL NOT smile!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 11, 2005, 02:56:25 am
very cute photo!!

I forgot to mention in earlier post that Olivia has been sitting up this week.  she uses her right hand to steady and will play with toys i put infront of her + Alex's old FP walker...

also on top of the "nightmare"?? last night Olivia woke at 4:50am crying and i thought she was looking for food (still growth spurt?) but she was not interested, tried warming the room as it was freezing last night,  finally at 5:30 i thought of pain relief since she seems to be teething this week - sure enough she settled as soon as we gotback to our room and slept until 7:30 and woke up happy.  I am so not ready to start having teething troubles - we are always trying to get "on track"  hopefully she will not be lilke Alex who takes anywhere up to 2-3 mo for each tooth to finally arrive afetr the discomfort starts (we have a lot of that popping up and returning to below the surface with dd1)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 11, 2005, 03:12:20 am
Well hello everyone.  What a fun thread.  I can't believe I've just discovered it today.  To introduce myself, my name is Michelle and DD (as you see below) is just over 6.5 months.  Her birthday was January 19, 2005. 

Alot of the issues brought up above sound VERY familiar so I'm sure I'll be able to add some thoughts here and there.  Here's what's going on in my home with my 6 month old DD:
- She's definitely teething.  Has two front bottom in and an eye tooth on the way.  The eye tooth is bothering her much more than the bottom two. 
- Just dropped the dreamfeed on Friday.  So far so good.
- She started the separation anxiety thing on Monday I'd say (cries when I leave the room or am out of sight).  Stranger anxiety is hit and miss.
- Having issues with am waketime.  Seems to be getting earlier and earlier, but varies daily.  So tough on the daily routine!
- Some days 2 naps, some days 2.5 naps and other days she has 3.  (Excpet for yesterday where she had 4 mini-naps cause they weren't any longer than 30-45 mins each - we won't ever mention yesterday again!!)
- pfew, there's lots happening at 6 months isn't there?

We'll be chatting soon.  Looking forward to comparing notes and learning from all of you.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 11, 2005, 03:54:43 am
Welcome Michelle - I am amazed that we had not heard from you before.  I have seen you and your cutie on many threads. has Kinlah been on soids long that you are dropping DF??

anyone else lurking who wants to join in  -i know there are some other  regular Jan/Feb babies on the site who I see on other threads. we will welcome you - we might just forget everyone's names  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 11, 2005, 04:58:56 am
Welcome Michelle!

Yeah, love those new teeth.  Got BIT TWICE today!   :shock:   Like little razors, they are!  I yelped like a puppy!   :lol:

Going for night 3 of the wake-to-sleep to get rid of early AM wake ups.  This morning he was already awake when I tried to sneak in at 5 AM (looked at me, too!).  That little bugger!  Off to bed now!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 11, 2005, 12:04:16 pm
We started solids at 4.5 months as per dr recommendations.  Actually he recommended them at 4 months but we were delayed 2 weeks in starting.  So yes, she's established on 3 meals a day for 2 months with cereal, veggies and a few fruit.  She hates fruit though so we only get in a few bites each time.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 11, 2005, 16:20:15 pm
Welcome Michelle!  My dd's birthday is January 13.  And I agree - yesterday is best forgotten.  The first two naps were great, but then I had to wake her from her second nap (she is normally up by 1pm, and she was still asleep at 2pm!), and she was cranky the rest of the day.  She screamed when it was time for her catnap and again at bedtime.

The BW website is acting up and I can't see the little topic review window so I'll have to try and remember what everyone said.

Deb - I'm not sure what the SP meant about a sealed palate, but everything is connected, and they can still get milk in the sinuses even if that's not an issue.  Maya's problem had to do with how I was holding her as I fed her.  I needed to prop her head up more (they said to keep her head above the level of her hips).

And she's up again.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 11, 2005, 19:26:05 pm
I've got another puzzler for you ladies.  Maya's been a handful the last two days, getting crankier and crankier as the day goes on despite good naps (at least yesterday).  Starting with her late afternoon nap yesterday, she screamed when it was time to put her down.  She wound up screaming (in my arms) until it was time for her next feeding.  She fell asleep while eating.  When she was done, I gently woke her and put her in her crib.  She fussed a bit, then slept for ~30 minutes.

At bedtime, she did the same thing.  I finished her last feed, and as I lifted the pillow out from under her, she started crying.  She screamed (panicky, loud crying) for about twenty minutes, and then finally calmed down enough that I could tuck her in.  That was about 8pm, and she slept until about 4am.

Today it started again with her first nap.  She cried for 10-15 minutes before she would settle down to sleep (then only slept 45 minutes).  At her next naptime, she screamed for 20 minutes straight, then off and on (mostly on) for another 40.

What's the deal?  This happened once before, but it was when MIL was visiting and continued through a visit to my folks.  It lasted about 3-1/2 weeks, but we chalked it up to overstimulation, sleep deprivation, and disruption of routine.  When we got home, it took her about a day to readjust, and she has been fine since.  I can't do this again.  Listening to her cry just sucks the energy right out of me, and I want to sit there and cry with her.  Has this happened with anyone else?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 11, 2005, 19:42:41 pm
Hi Michelle- welcome to our chat :D

Deborah- how many naps do you have these days?  I am working on consolidating Eirwen's morning nap right now.  It's hard, but I noticed similiar behavior a week ago and then the naps are getting shorter and we're off and miserable. :cry:  I think I am going to have to just start forcing her to be awake longer so nap times won't be so difficult...like this afternoon I "forced" her (distracted really with shopping, car ride, etc) and she was up 2.5 hrs and is now so crashed, I even had workers come in for estimates, tramble around and she didn't make a peep! :shock: Where did my touchy baby go?! :wink: Yeah, right!  So many issues lately, so whiney...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 11, 2005, 19:47:05 pm
Just to let you know that you're not alone in the suffering.

Deborah: do you think she may be teething?

Well done to Olivia on the sitting!!  :D

Matty is gorgeous!

Welcome Michelle!

Luka has been doing the same thing as Maya. Last night was AWFUL! He hardly slept. Screamed when we put him in his cot. Screamed when we put him in our bed. Eventually fell asleep on my chest, slept for an hour and woke up screaming again. We gave him some Calpol and he slept again till 6am. So we had a grandtotal of 3 hours sleep. I feel very sorry for dh.

I mean it can't be developmental can it? He's been 'crawling' for a week now, so that should be done with.
I feel so despondent about the night wakings, it's been going on for 3 weeks, and doesn't seem to be getting better. Wake to sleep wont' work coz it's not at the same time every night.
Anyway....
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 11, 2005, 20:05:46 pm
It's nice to know I'm not alone.

Schae - I'm not sure if it's teething.  We've been thinking she's teething for about 6 weeks now, but with no actual teeth to show for it.  She chews on EVERYTHING she can get into her mouth.  Sometimes when she's fussy, chewing on a cold washcloth seems to help.  We've tried Tylenol when she's been super fussy, and sometimes it seems to help.  Somebody recommended Motrin, but I want to give it to her when she's going to be awake, and I can watch her to make sure she doesn't have any sort of reaction.

Branwen - She has two proper naps (1-2 hours each) and a catnap (~45 minutes), but the catnap is not always the last nap of the day.  The first nap is usually good (~2 hours), but if her second nap is short, she sometimes sleeps longer for her late afternoon "catnap".  I don't think she's ready to drop the catnap yet.  She would be up too long before bedtime.  I think I've mentioned before we're caught in that rough space when she's ready for a four-hour routine sleep-wise, but not feedwise.  I've also kept her up for up to 2.5 hours, but usually to keep her on track after a short nap.

She was up last night too, around 4am.  She talked to herself for a while, but I'm not sure if she feel back asleep (I did).  By 5:15am, she was quite vocally demanding to be fed.  Usually, she's not up until 6 or 7am.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 11, 2005, 20:09:08 pm
Oh hang in there Schae! ((hugs)) My days aren't near like that!  Is Luka teething now?  Does he have teeth yet?  I can't remember?  Have you tried PU/PD at all? Sounds like textbook separation anxiety to me?  He crawls!!! How cute!  I can't wait for Eirwen to get a bit more mobile...but maybe it's a good thing :wink:   She's taken a setback on sitting lately, (oh congrats also to Olivia :D ) She now seems to topple over a bit more but I think it is because she's more actively reaching for things out in front of her so she goes splat on her face sometimes!! :lol:  :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 11, 2005, 20:12:37 pm
Deborah- yes, I recommended the Motrin, seems to really help Eirwen when I suspect teething.  Definitely good to watch for a reaction and to give on full tummy.  She did good with it.  Seemed to "fix" whatever the problem was, but I've only used it that once...I don't want to over medicate her...

Oh, we are the opposite on the schedule thing- ready to go to 4 hrs with feeds but not with sleep...I think I feel ok about going to 4 bf's because she now eats 4 oz of breastmilk mixed with the oatmeal throughout the day.  So that would be around 28 to 32 oz total (estimated from pumping).

She loves sweet potatoes!  It's the new thing!  Smacks her lips- too cute!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 11, 2005, 22:50:13 pm
Ok, so I think it may be teething.  Still no teeth, but she had on a white shirt this evening (incidentally, the fourth costume change today thanks to all the spitup), and there are some reddish stains around the collar.  Did any of your lo's gums bleed a little?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 12, 2005, 00:18:55 am
Deborah
- Maya's symptoms sound exactly like when dd was teething.  She chewed EVERYTHING and still does.  Her 2 bottom teeth came in the last week of July and an eye tooth is on the way (same way as her mommy's teeth came in).  She was very clingy and cried so much more than normal for a while before the teeth even showed up.  But we did notice a distinctive peek in the crying and sure enough, her gums were full (as if the teeth were right below the surface) and within days we had teeth!  I mean "she" had teeth (but I felt all the pain too, trust me) :shock:   Plus we battled naps too for weeks and only today did she start sleeping like herself again.  Let us know if there are signs of any teeth on the way??  And no bleeding by the way over here.
- As for Tylenol vs. Motrin, here's what I've been told by a pharmacist.  Both have the same effect however Motrin will last longer and may therefore be considered more effective.  But Motrin can also be a little harder on their bellies so watch out of your lo is sensitive.
- Has Maya started solids?  If so, what is she on?  DD was only comfortable with a 4 hour feeding schedule once her solids were firmly established with 3 meals per day.

Branwen - I totally agree with the sweet potato thing.  Have you tried squash yet?  Kinlagh was just as excited about those.  But now she's started this cute (but messy) spitting thing.  I have to coordinate my clothes with the veggie of the day cause I usually end up wearing it!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 12, 2005, 03:24:07 am
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks

and within days we had teeth!  I mean "she" had teeth (but I felt all the pain too, trust me) :shock: 
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:   I hear ya!!!   :wink:

Deborah:  I read that they can get an absess, or blood blister, under the gums and the tooth pops it as it comes through.  Totally normal.  We mainly had blood from all the chewing however!

I got bit two more times today by those little suckers!  Oh, and Asher gave himself a sore on his hand from the new teeth and all his thumb-sucking!  :roll:

What's an eye tooth?  I hear teeth come in pairs, 2 pairs at a time.  How soon before the other pair though?  Asher has been a maniac today.  Absolutely whined the whole day long and refused to take a catnap (first time ever!).   :shock:   He was in there for an hour and just wouldn't go to sleep (but was VERY tired) and kept crying/whining for me every 5 minutes.  I finally got him up, fed him again, and put him down for the night.

Oh, and wake-to-sleep...he was awake AGAIN when I tried to sneak in there this morning.  Not sure when I should re-time it.   It's not working yet.  I think I'm just gonna start solids this weekend.   :roll:  ARGH!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 12, 2005, 11:43:32 am
Julie - Eye teeth are the 3rd ones out from the middle top teeth.  So there's the middle two (central incisor), then the next one (lateral incisor), then the eye tooth (cuspid or canine) - the pointy ones.  Supposedly, these teeth usually come in around 16-22 months.  Kinlagh is a little early on those ones which is probably why she's in so much pain!!

And good for you on starting solids!  They did wonders for Kinlagh (routine, skin, growth...)  Good luck and have fun!
Title: Long time since I posted
Post by: diyasmom on August 12, 2005, 16:56:04 pm
Hi all

I have been trying to read all your posts but didn't find the time to post because Diya has started crawling backwards and I want to keep an eye on her and also her naps have become terrible(not that they were great to begin with!) Branwen, independent sleeping is not goin well for us I think. This is what we do. At her naptime, I hold her and slightly pat her. Then she looks around and pulls my nose and cheeks and what not and then finally relaxes and then starts sucking her thumb. I hold her for 5 more mins until she stops kicking her legs and is in a drowsy state with eyes closed. I put her in the crib and her eyes are wide open and she smiles at me and then goes to sleep most of the time. If I don't do this, then she misses her nap window and crawls/scoots in the crib and ends up crying real hard. I finally give in and hold her and we got a whopping 30 min morning nap yesterday :twisted:
I am going to try to put her in the crib more awake for the afternoon nap today. I never did a naptime winddown routine for her before. Do I have to consider this as a naptime  routine and start 10 mins before her nap time? What do you guys do to winddown your LOs? When do you start it before the naps? Please let me know.
Good news on the night wakings though! She doesn't wake up now consistently in the night. Sometimes, she wakes up early in the morning for the day. I can take that!
JulieB, Diya used to bite me real hard too when she got her teeth at 4.5 months. When I stopped and said no, she thought it was the biggest joke :D  I started bringing her very close to my breast almost smooshing her nose to my breast and she used to lose the suction and open her mouth. Once I did this for a couple of times, she stopped it:)
Branwen, how is the moving process going on for you? How is Eirwen sleeping?
Schae, sorry about the nightwakings. That must be real hard on you. I am actually breastfeeding Diya just before she goes to bed. She gets very drowsy but I put her down awake. I didn't read your post properly. Is it hard for him to go down or is he waking a lot?
Deborah, sorry about the rough time. Diya was super cranky 2 weeks before she got her first tooth. I could not do a thing. I gave tylenol a couple of times and it helped her. Try to give her something cold to bite on. Since she is becoming more mobile these days, we are having a tough time putting her down too.
Michelle, welcome! I love your DD's name! Wow, she is already getting her eye tooth!
Ladies, any word of advice on babyproofing and how did you keep your DCs away from pulling the knobs and pulls on drawers?
Thanks for reading the long book!
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 12, 2005, 18:24:32 pm
just have time for a quick comment...

diyasmom - about the childproofing.  we put those locks on the cabinets jaina's not allowed to open.  we made sure to leave one cabinet unlocked and it has things that she can play with in it if she wants.

i was more concerned about our bookshelves.  i have too many books to relocate some from a toddler.  so i made one shelf full of her books.  it took some time but redirecting her to her shelf pretty much every time has kept our 'library' intact.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 12, 2005, 18:56:45 pm
Vidya- I think you can use your same routine for the wind down...similar to mine...the only thing is that I don't let her get to such a drowsy state, or close her eyes.  My wind down is usually 10 min before the nap.  We go upstairs and I change her diaper, turn down the air conditioner, turn down the lights, and we rock while I sing to her our two songs, sometimes she whines, sometimes she sighs or "oohhhs" at me, and then I put her in her crib and she plays with her feet for awhile.  I leave and eventually (about 5 to 10 min later) I don't hear anything on the monitor :D  It sounds like you're doing good- gradually lessening the time she is so sleepy on you...

Moving is stressful...have guys working on the house- been interesting but she actually slept this morning through the hammering, but the nail gun woke her around noon from her nap...all in all she's doing great with all the racket, also did not like the saw sound though- gave it a big pouty lip.

Eirwen is sleeping good at night- only new thing is she has taken to waking around 7:30pm (she goes to bed around 6) and will "sing" for a 1/2 hr.  She eventually goes back to sleep, and then wakes around 5:45 to start her day.  I can't complain!  The naps are somewhat difficult and I'm finding integrating solids challenging.  I am trying to get us on 2 naps but she isn't ready just yet, but she is sort of because her morning naps are shrinking and afternoon is extending...I'm actually having to wake her at 4:30 so she doesn't sleep through into her bedtime routine :shock: What is that!?  I can't figure out her awake time and she has been so whiney, pouty, grumpy, and not eating well.  Generally seems most content while sleeping or in her crib alone?  Maybe I just got a really antisocial independent type who prefers hiding, alone! Sniffle sniffle...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 12, 2005, 19:37:40 pm
Branwen - I'll loan you my touchy, clingy, dependent one if you like.  It sounds horrible, but there are days where by the end of the day, I would rather scour the bathroom than cuddle with dd.  I feel for you on the moving, though.  I can't get five minutes to get an uninterrupted shower.  I can't imagine trying to get a house ready to sell and packing everything.

Michelle - Today's been a bit better.  I just hope those teeth come in soon so I can get a break before the next set.  Maya's solids consist of ~2TBS of rice cereal twice a day.  Tomorrow, we start with the veggies, squash first, then maybe some sweet potatoes next week sometime.  I'd also like to try oatmeal soon.  In another week or two, I'd like to add a third meal. 

As for the Motrin, I'd like to try it with her, but I don't want to give it to her unless she needs it, and I want to make sure she has a full belly (she has kind of a sensitive stomach) and that she'll be awake for a while after I give it to her so I can watch for a reaction.  I just never think about it until she's fussy and it's time for a nap.  When she's well-rested a cold washcloth usually does the trick.

Well, we're off for the weekend.  It's Maya's first trip to Orlando (though we're going to see family, not Mickey).  I'll check back in on Monday.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 12, 2005, 20:46:58 pm
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Tomorrow, we start with the veggies, squash first, then maybe some sweet potatoes next week sometime. 
May I make a suggestion?  DD (and I think most babies) tend to prefer the squash and sweet potatoes, so you may want to introduce the peas early as well.  So she doesn't get too spoiled by all the yummy veggies before the more bland ones.  Just a suggestion.



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In another week or two, I'd like to add a third meal.
I think you'll notice a big difference in her once she's established on her solids.  DD's routine sure got alot easier and more predictable day to day.
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Post by: julieb on August 12, 2005, 21:34:46 pm
The saga continues!  :shock:   Asher woke up last night around 9:45 and couldn't breathe out of his nose (and therefore, could not suck his thumb!).  This has happened once before (can't figure how or why).  I had to use saline spray, suction, and keep him upright until it drained for about 15 minutes as he cried and wailed.  I tried to put him back to bed but he was mad (and I think he decided he was hungry since it had been 4 hours anyway).  I tried nursing him, but he got even more angry because my let down wasn't fast enough (my breasts aren't used to nursing at that particular time!).  Nothing was calming him down and he refused to keep trying to nurse.  We finally took him out of the room and sat/played quietly on the couch for 10 minutes so he could calm down.  Then I nursed him out there for a few minutes (it was mainly for comfort at that point).  He seemed okay and done so we headed back to bed, went down fine.  Five minutes later he was screaming his head off and wouldn't stop, despite PU/PD.   :shock:  I gave him some teething tablets, but not because he was teething!  It was the only way I could get him to put his thumb in his mouth and calm down.  Back to bed.  Screaming again.  More tablets.  Thumb in.  Back to bed.  Finally fell asleep about 11:00 pm.  He usually wakes around 1 or 2 to eat.  He woke at 3, but by time I made it to his door, he was quiet again!  :D   I did wake-to-sleep at 5:20 instead and I didn't hear from him until 6:30!!   :D   I knew by then he had to be STARVING, so I fed him and tried to put him back to bed for one last sleep cycle.  Didn't work though.  He played until I got him up at 7:00.   :shock:   What a roller coaster!

Vidya: I suspect you should put Diya down sooner, about the time she pops her thumb in and stops squirming.  How long is her window?  You could start right before or at the beginning of that window for your  wind down.
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Post by: branwen on August 12, 2005, 21:51:10 pm
Oh Deborah- I'm sorry!  And I totally understand about both the toliet cleaning AND the shower (last night I finally got a shower in the 5 min it took my dh to feed her for bed- it had been a week-  :oops:)  Dh was complaining about his commute and I told him to stop complaining and he doesn't know how great is sounds to get in the car ALONE and drive for a couple of hrs drinking a latte and listening to an ipod of all my favorite music- (so sick of nursery songs let me tell you!)

If it makes you feel any better the whole time she is up she is whiney and clingy.  I do not understand her behavior, esp with toys, she has taken to pushing them all away and will squirm and kick and fuss until I remove everything and hold her....and then we eventually, after about 1.5 hrs of this (I give up) go up in the nursery I put her on the changing table and she's happy giggling as I change her diaper because why- it's nap time I guess!!! I'm so confused...I guess she went from hating naps 2 months ago to hating being awake :?  :(

Hi JulieB- Sorry Asher had such a rough night- AND you too  :(  It indeed might be time for the solids...you need a break I suspect.  Any clue as to what is bothering him?  How is your dh on all of this?  Oh, I guess that is kind of a dumb question because if you knew everything would be good right!!  tummy troubles?
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 12, 2005, 22:43:24 pm
have the house to myself and d2 is asleep so this will be a big catchup!

Hi everyone - it sounds like many of us are on a bumpy road this week. 

Vidya - congrats on the nightwakings settling down.  Also, I did the same as Jamie with childproofing.  in our kitchen i kept 2 cupboards + pantry unlocked.  1 is full of plastic bowls and steamers... and very heavy things and this is "alex's cupboard" whenever she would go tot he unlocked pots and pans cupboard or try to break open a locked one i would say "is that alex's cupboard? where's alex's cupboard?" and redirect her - it worked great during the toddler stage (14-18 mo) 

Schae - sorry you are having troubles with nightwakings - it just moves around the group doesn't it??? i imagine it will pass soon and unfortunately it will start for someone else  :roll:

Branwen - great that Eirwen is sleeping through much of the chaos - i imagine the nail gun and such is too sudden and that is why is disturbs her.  I am so sorry that she is whiney and clingy though. she is an adorable lilttle puzzle that one!  i bet she will be a very interesting kid to be around as she grows - and can tell you what she is thinking.

Deborah - thanks for the feeding advice.  we are already feeding pretty straight up since that was one of the first changes we did when we were having our early issues.  I hope you have/had a good trip!!!

Tarri - we were given the all clear to move back to unthickened formula (either she has outgrown that problem or it was just an aversion issue) and that helped with the pooping at least.  the mucus is still bad and her feeds are averaging 5oz (last few days her total is average of 25-28oz per day)  I am trying not to stress too much about it but fear that I will be wondering if she is hungry just like in the past - every time she naps badly i think was she still hngry?  hard to sleep if tummy not full?



It has been a bust for me most of the days this week and yesterday was the stinkiest one of all!  I am also in the screaming boat with Schae and Deborah.  it is happening more and more and yesterday afternoon was the worst.  she was up early yesterday (650am) so that moved everything earlier already and she had naps of 45 min and then 1 hr 15.  was up from 2pm and when i tried to put her down close to 4pm she was crying as soon as i put her on the change table.  then i got her ready for bed and she would not settle, i tried for a half hour and she kept crying whenever i left her.  this happened the previous day as well and she had been hungry and took a top up.  yesterday it was definitely not hunger - would not touch it!  she was the most upset i have ever heard her and nothing would keep her calm in her cot without me there (she also seemed happier being uprigjht which made me think teething).  she ended up being awake straight through until Dh got home and we fed her (calmed instantly in his arms and peacefully took bottle)  we skipped bath and bed rituals and put her down.  she woke at 1010pm (did not make it to DF) and then woke at 550am today to start her day!!! what the hell!  now she is already asleep for first nap at 8am (usually up between 7-7:30) what the heck do i do today - feed more often and get in a 4th nap ? pray for 3 long naps??  what is going on????  any advice?  teething and seperation anxiety are my 2 gut instincts but not sure if 1 or both.  she still has oral issues and won't take the soliuds and gets hysterical if i try to get her to open her mouth for pain relief  :roll:   I don't want to break her trust but found i had to squirt in the Panadol while she was crying as her mouth was open - that was a mistake and i felt awful.  Last night i put it in her bottle - is that ok??  i know she won't get the full dose but it is better than nothing getting in her mouth the other way.

To top ity all off my sister has left this morning so i am now officially ON MY OWN to get on with life with the 2 girls.  I am so terrified that I won't be abe to cope and am in tears thinking about it - i need to think positively but am so exhausted already and that is with my sister helping out a lot!!    All i really want is to feel rested!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on August 13, 2005, 01:15:24 am
HI everyone:

Thanks for the Matty picture comments.  I am trying to keep everyone's posts straight and want to answer everyone but its getting too hard with so many posts.  But I love it, keep em coming. 

Deborah, I keep meaning to tell you I love Maya's smile in the picture. How is she doing with the crying before sleep?

Debra:  What are you feeding Olivia?  Did you rule out allergies? cause it honestly sounds a lot like food allergies to me.

Branwen, How is your lo doing?  I look at that adorable picture and think, how can she be so touchy? she is too adorable.

Christine, you're right about the same expression.  Matty smiles all the time but my camera is sooooooo slow and always clicks the shot after he stops smiling.  Its very frustrating!

Michelle:  Welcome!

Schae:  how is Luka's sleep going?

JulieB:  I was up four times last night!  I hear you!!!

Whoever I missed, please dont take it personally, I read all the posts and know that even if I dont answer you directly, I sooooooooo understand the ups and downs we all go through.

Matty is getting better at his outings, not so fussy as long as I keep him in the sling that is.  If I put him in the stroller he cries, but he's a happy camper in the sling.  And by the way, cant remember who asked, but he weighed 21 lbs 10 oz at his 6 month visit!  actually a week before six months.  He is huge!  but a solid little guy  :D

Im tired all the time, and Im not sure what to do.  thinking of consulting a sleep expert.  I actually found a person in my area who trained with Baby Whisperer!!! and I started talking to her tonight.  I have to find out what her fees are.  Im hoping she can help and we can afford her.  I'll let you all know what happens.

Julie

Hugs to every mom here who has had a cranky baby day, and everyone else too!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 13, 2005, 01:46:55 am
I'm with you Julie, I want to comment on everyone's posts, but get sooo confused by the time I am done reading them. I MUST bring a pen and paper with next time!!!

Welcome Michelle! Leah also dislikes fruit right now. Weird huh? Sweet potatoes are definitley her fav. She loves all veges, peas can be a problem at times! Can you give me a breif rundown as to what you give Kinlagh at each meal? Right now we are doing two meals but want to go to three before I have to go back to teaching later this month.

Julie B - Leah has been waking early too. I have the bad habit of bringin her back to bed with me though....  :oops: I do so after 5:30 or six, then I can get her to sleep till at least 7. Bad habit, but I just love this cuddly time! Plus then we play in bed for ten minutes or so when she wakes for the day!

Julie - I hear you with being tired all the time. I just told someone today: If someone would have told me when Leah was a newborn that I'd still be getting up two or three times a night at six months, I would have killed myself! Now it just seems like life! I hope you are able to find some help, then maybe you can help us all!  :D

Deb - Sorry to hear your sister left. My DH is gone in Alaska hunting, so it's just me and DD for a week and a half! We coping alright.  Lots of carry out.... :wink: Leah is teething, I can see them. She also will NOT let me in her mouth for anything. I also waited until she screamed to get orajel on her gums and tylenol down. I think it is fine to put it in the bottle as long as they drink it all? It sounds like everyone wants more sleep! Hard to belive some day we will be fighting to wake them up.....


TEETH, TEETH, TEETH! Seems to be affecting everyone right now! Anyone know how long is actually takes for the whole tooth to cut thru? Leah's had her two bottom teeth partially cut thru for a week now. (little razors!) How long till the agony is over!?!?!

Sorry to all I didn't respond too. I will be back on tomorrow to catch up. Right now I am going to go and have a glass of wine and relax before bed!
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Post by: HeatherC on August 13, 2005, 02:29:42 am
Wow, I've certainly missed out on a bunch.  It seems that when time goes by, it goes quickly, and you miss a lot.  I've been busy getting ready for 2 showers I'm co-hosting.  I've checked in on the posts, but haven't had time to put together any useful comments.  I've mostly used my spare time to clean, work on my scrapbooking, and make party favors/ mail invitations/ buy and package gifts.
Anyway, I'm so sorry for all the hard times most of you seem to be having.  I can't offer much except my thoughts, prayers, and {{{HUGS}}}.  I hope the #$%# isn't going to hit the fan with us because Kelsey has been so great lately.  She doesn't seem to be teething, so that might come late for her.  She does sit unassisted well now and plays with her toys, but I am usually sitting with her for interaction, and just in case she gets too excited and looses her balance.
After spending most of our summer days with my mom, she has returned to school teaching.  And since Kelsey has been taking a great afternoon nap (and an ok morning nap), I've just tried to hang around the house so that she can get these much needed naps.  If I have to, I go out in the evening, and she can catch a catnap in the car before the last bottle and bedtime routine.  Dh has been working alot, and sometimes doesn't get home until after 9 or 10, so it's just me all day.  It's okay though; we're blessed that he has a job to provide for us so that I can stay home.
As for solids, she has had the following:  applesauce (with rice cereal too), pears (also with cereal sometimes), carrots, sweet potatoes, and peas today.  She didn't like the peas needless to say.  Oh well, it's okay.  I have peaches and squash to try next.  Her ped. said I could start the meats between 7-9 months, and for some reason that sounds fun to me.  I believe she will really love them.  I have been told that I could give her the "yo-baby" yogurt around that time, too.  Have any of you considered this product?
Well, thanks for reading my boring post.  Sorry I can't help with night waking problems, etc.  I truely hope things start getting better for each of you.  Remember...this too shall pass.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 13, 2005, 02:33:16 am
Christine-is Leah's flat-head getting better?  Kelsey's seemed to have been, but now I'm not sure.  It almost looks worse on one side, but I always thought she slept looking up and not to one side.  And I feed her with the back of her head and neck resting on the boppy.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 13, 2005, 08:36:27 am
hey there

I've actually started taking notes, coz there's no way I'll remember all the posts, especially on 4 hours sleep. :roll:  :lol:

Deborah: No bleeding gums this side, but very very cranky. I feel sorry for them, can't be easy having all these nasty teeth cutting through your gums eh? I hope the Motrin helps. What exactly is Motrin? We dont have that in SA.

Branwen: aw, the lip smacking sounds so cute! Luka doesn't have any teeth yet, but I'm convinced that is the cause of his being so miserable.
I hadn't considered seperation anxiety, not sure exactly what I should be looking out for. PU/PD seems to make him even more angry. I think it's pain that is waking him, so I'm not sure PU/PD would work anyway.  :?
Well done to Eirwen on sleeping through noise. I think that's a good thing. Hope the moving is going well.

Vidya: well done to Diya!! Luka also crawls backwards, although the last couple of days he's discovered that he can move forwards too. lol!

Debra: Good luck on being by your lonesome. We're all here as an ear...
Still not sure if it's teething or seperation anxiety? The screaming can be really trying, coz you try everything you can and it still does not work. Good luck!

Julie: Luka is sleeping a little bit better. Thanks for asking. Good luck with the baby whisperer lady.. please keep us posted.

Last night was not too bad. We (dh, luka and I) live with my parents in a cottage on their property. So, Luka goes to bed in the main house at around 7.30 or 8pm. Then at 11pm for his dreamfeed we move to the cottage. This isn't working well anymore, as he has on several occasions tried to sleep through the night, but is disturbed by being moved. And when dh wakes for work in the morning it disturbs Luka's sleep as well, but there isn't anything we can do because there's no other room for him to sleep in.  :?
We are planning on moving out as soon as I find a job. So, hopefully that will be the end of our sleep problems.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 13, 2005, 15:04:34 pm
Hey Heather! Good to hear from you. Hope the showers go well. Some days I think her flat head is getting better and other days I realize I must be seeing things? She now sleeps on her side and it is always the same side, so she's probobly going to get better on one side and not the other..... :?

Leah is also sitting up. But I have to stay with her or put pillows behind her becuase her head is still just a little too big for her body and she loses balance easily.  :D
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Post by: branwen on August 13, 2005, 22:03:03 pm
Well, we have a little blood blister- ouch :(  She screamed for 3 hrs this morning.  Gosh...I didn't know how lucky I was but this is true teething...I can also feel squishy skin in there, before was just hard, so I'm pretty sure the bottom teeth are arriving...rumor has it could be forever.  I did everything I could, Tylenol, oral gel and even offered the breast, but in the end I did let her cry it out some, so tired!!!  and nothing works except exhaustion after a certain point.  My poor honey!  At our next feed I gave Motrin and seemed to work, she took a 2 hr nap.  I breastfed over 8 times today :shock: because she was so off...currently whining in her crib...

Heather- you always have a way of putting things in perspective for me!  I so love how you describe your days. :D   I too am very blessed to be a SAHM.  I love your lilypie photo :D

Christine
- Yay! Leah is sitting up!  The head thing is also Eirwen's difficulty.  I use the boppy for lower back support and she does really well with that- it also catches her if she goes to the side.  She does best though when I am not trying to be involved and I just notice she has moved away from it and is supporting herself.

Deb- let us know if we can do anything for you- feel free to post lots of vents if you need too- I cried so much when my mom left in the early weeks  :cry: 

Schae- backwards AND forwards!!! WOW! :shock: 

Julie- do you still have a night person coming in?  that was you right?  yes totally keep us informed on the BW person.  what is your routine now?

Anyone else noticing the pincer grasp?  Eirwen shocked me so much today by holding her spoon with thumb and forefinger!  :shock:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 13, 2005, 22:15:07 pm
Just thought I'd share a photo of Luka crawling:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 13, 2005, 22:39:13 pm
This week must be some sort of 6 month voodoo baby thing.  Asher has been SO weird.  Either that or more teething.  I give up!   :shock:

Tried solids for the first time this morning -- pears.  Not eventful.  Took two eager bites and then did the "icky head shake" thing -- like we were giving him a sour lemon!   :roll:   We'll try again tomorrow!

FYI, to remember posts: I right click on "post reply" and "open in a new window."  Then I have my reply open while I read and can flop back and forth, writing my post as I read.

Branwen: Dh helps how he can (as I direct  :lol: ).  Have no clue what's going on.  I think he's posessed sometimes.   :lol:

Julie: Asher prefers the sling during outings as well.  I've found that he just doesn't like sitting for very long (15-20 min most), no matter where, stroller, grocery cart, restaurant, boppy, at home, etc.  He'd much rather move or stand.  But he's absolutely fine in the sling, go figure!  :roll:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 14, 2005, 00:42:09 am
Julieb, thanks for the window tip.  I'm doing that right now.

Everyone,  my dd is doing all the same teething and crying stuff.  I had no luck with tylenol and tried infant Advil last night and it worked way better :) .  Also I rushed out this afternoon for Anbesol and I'm not sure if it helped, I ended up letting her play with me to get her out of the crying and got it in my mouth too.  It definately makes things numb but just for a few minutes.  I think pu/pd is going to fly out the window with this teething thing.  Which is a big thing for me to say because I haven't rocked her to sleep since she was 2 months old and before starting her reflux meds.  I hope we don't loose all that sleep training we both worked hard on. :( :x 

Debra, my dh always says one day at a time (his bday was Aug. 9th).  And in some cases, try to think just one minute at a time.  Sometimes I have to put Emily down in her crib even if she's crying and turn away and take two deep breaths before plunging in again.  And oh man was I exhausted last night with being up a billion times settling Emily.  Thank God she had one awesome solid 2 hour nap this morning and I napped at the same time:)  Also, I'm not sure if you saw but my dd drinks about the same as yours, only 27-29 oz a day.

Schae, I can't believe Luka's crawling picture.  Emily is not even close to crawling yet.  She doesn't even roll over one way.  But she's pretty good at sitting.

Branwen, your day sounds horrible.  I hope it gets better soon for both of you.

Michelle, my dd got one eye tooth at 4.5 months.  Now she's got one bottom tooth thru.  Very sharp. 

Vidya, we kind of do a wind down routine every nap or bed time.  I hold her facing outwards and I pace back and forth on the deck doing a little bounce and sing songs for about 5 mins then I change her diaper on the change table.  Then I pick her up and she watches me pull the blind down and close the curtains.  After I lay her down I throw a blanket over her and give her a few pats on the bum quickly and say 'have a good sleep, have a good sleep' for naps or 'night night, night night' for bedtime and leave straight away.  It usually works.

Deborah, I was showing my dh baby pictures on our chat and he thought your lo is a super cutie!

Also, a long time ago someone mentioned Nature's Bliss for hiccups.  Could you tell me what the main ingredients are?  I can't seem to get that brand here.

I hope all this teething stuff doesn't last forever, or at least we get some breaks in between.  Hang in there everyone!!!!!  Please keep writing posts, I'm starting to think of you guys like family now :)

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 14, 2005, 01:33:07 am
Schae, how cute of Luka crawling!  Can you explain perhaps how it was he came to discover he could do that?  I can't get Kelsey on her tummy so I don't know how to help her learn to get on her hands and knees.  It may sound premature, but I'm assisting her in standing while holding on to the couch or exersaucer to prepare her leg strength and balance for "cruising".  She may never crawl and may go straight to that.  :?:   I don't want to rush her, but I'm not sure what to do for her.  I love to hold her, but of course she wants her independence, and sometimes even seems discontent stuck in one place.  I have her sitting either on the floor or in the exersaucer to keep her off her back (and back of her head) as much as possible since that's her sleeping position.  I don't want to accidently limit her mobility.  I know I tried to reassure someone once before aobut this; I think it was Branwen, but now I need reassurance I suppose.  Dh husband has always told me to enjoy the time that she will let me hold her because soon she won't.  :cry:
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 14, 2005, 01:34:01 am
Tarri - I also think of everyone as family!  :D If I can't check in I feel lost, especially if there are more posts than I can catch up with! I hear you on regressing with rocking. I had to rock DD tonight. She had been up for almost 4 hours and she just wouldn't settle. Rocked her and she was out in a few mintues.  :shock:

Julie B - The window thing is awesome. Can you tell me how you get the white quote box in your posts?

Schae - Wow Luka!!!!!!!!!!! He looks so old! Leah is not close to crawling yet either. I try and put her in the crawling posistion, but she just falls back down. She rolls like crazy though!

Branwen - This teething thing is aweful! DH said in a real serious voice: "Is she going to be like this for all of her teeth? If so, I think I'm going to move out till she's two!" I have also noticed the pincer grasp. Leah also has a new game. When we walk in the stroller she throws stuff off the side - they learn cause and effect much too quickly!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 14, 2005, 01:44:03 am
Oh, yeah, the pincer grasp.  It's so cute to see those tiny, yet chubby fingers working so hard to grab on.  It makes me teary to see her concentrate so much and put so much effort into doing the things that will soon come so easily.  Oh, our babies are growing too quickly. 
I LOVE BEING A MOMMY!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 14, 2005, 03:17:35 am
Heather:  When you say you can't get Kelsey on her tummy, what do you mean?  She doesn't like tummy time?  Will she tolerate it for even short bursts?  Asher always preferred his back, but would tolerate his tummy for 5-10 minutes at a time.  We'd do a series of activities and rotating positions so he wouldn't get bored doing one thing in one place for too long.  He finally started trying to roll to his tummy, as if reaching for things on the side.  Once I figured out he could roll both ways, I gave him TONS of floor time and he perfected the rolling in a matter of days.  Once he was good at that, he didn't seem to mind his tummy as much since he could get to his back on his own.  I continued to give him tons for floor time (which isn't hard, because I don't own any upright things besides a bumbo seat and bouncer  :lol: ) and I noticed he eventually spent more and more time on his tummy.  Then he naturally started to try to drag himself closer to toys with his arms and get his feet going too -- which led to the army crawl.  It was a month before he started getting up on all fours one day, which led to a funny inchworm type crawl.  Then he'd rock back and forth.  And eventually he'd take steps with hands and knees.  There was no real way to "show" him how to do these things or teach him.  It was a matter of giving him the floor time and letting him figure it out.  Don't worry about it!  It will come when it's time!  I know several kids that crawled for about a week before just getting up to walk instead!   :D

Christine: You can copy & paste text from someone's post, then select the text and hit the "quote" button at the top of the text box OR in the top right corner of everyone's post is a "quote" button.  Right click that to open in a new window to start your post with someone else's quoted post (which is what I did).  Then I just deleted out the text I didn't need.  Make sense?

Oh, and my DH said the same thing as yours!!  "Is this gonna be like this for every tooth?!"   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 14, 2005, 10:27:19 am
HI all - very active the last 24 hours  :lol:

Julie - so far we just feed Olivia formula (was BF until 3 months and having mucus problems, but definitely worsened over last 2 months).  she has been on thickened formula for the past month or so - not sure if there is any issue with that.  we are in the process of switching over to the unthickened formula that she was on previously. she has only had rice cereal 3 times so far so that is not it.  no other solids yet.  am wondering if it is some other type of allergy or a milk allergy? will ask about it at the doctor's on Thursday.  Also Olivia is not far behind matty - she was 18 -19 pounds at 5 1/2 months! she is even bigger than Alex was (and shorter) and i had not thought that possible!

Christine - hope you are doing well in Dh's absence.  Leah sounds like she is doing ok in spite of the awful teething. - tell Dh it won't be this bad (hopefully) after 12-14 months or so...then we can think ahead to when they start having loose teeth and need us to pull them out - ugh!

Heather - good to hear from you and that things are going so well (touch wood!).  Olivia also has the flat head and it seems to have rounded SLIGHTLY - still flat though (as a friend pointed out today  :roll: ).  My sister spent 6 weeks here and insists it has rounded a bit (maybe she's just being nice :lol: )

Schae - I hope you are able to move out soon so you can get some night sleep!!!  is the cottage a 1 room place with you sleeping in the same room as Luka??   Congrats on the crawling though - very cute photo

Branwen - so sorry to hear how bad the teething is.  it is great whent he pain relief actually helps them though!

Julie b - THANKS FOR THE FANTASTIC TIP OF "NEW WINDOW" loving it  :D .  i might try some pears on Olivia tomorrow and see if that will entice her to open her mouth.  Asher looks great crawling around.  Alex started crawling at 5 mo so it is strange for me to see Olivia not even rolling around - I tell myself never to compare the 2 but i only have her as a reference.  it is good to see everyone is at different points with the crawling and sitting...

Tarri - Dh's bday was the 11th - we are leading parallel lives right?  ha ha. thanks for the support on the feeding - i have relaxed about how much she takes since i know you have a similar amount.  today she has actually fed fantastic and has already had 28 oz and still has the Df to go. not that i am counting  :lol:   :wink:

Thanks for the mention about thinking of us as family.  i think i am spending more time with you guys than Dh  :oops:  he understands though that i need the support and i think he is grateful that i can come here and chat (as long as I don't discuss sex or say anything bad about family members  :lol: )

For us - today has been great.  good feeds.  much less sep. anxiety crying (and none of it in the cot, just once or twice when i left her playing to go do something).  she only took a 45 min nap this am, but then a 1 hr 30 and then we went to friends' this afternoon and by the time we brought her home for catnap she had been up 2hrs ++ and went to sleep in 10 min and slept for  1hr 30.  unfortunately we shoudl have woken her at 5:30 (she slept til 6:10pm) because she was hyper when we put her down at bedtime (7:20) so obviously needed longer awake before bed.  i might try extending her awake time in the am to 2 hours tomorrow which is better for me since i have to do daycare drop off for Alex at 9am.

Thanks everyone for all the support.  i am trying not to get ahead of myself and start stressing about problems before they arise.  I just have to keep telling myself that I can do this!!! we are trying to get my mom to come back out in October for another visit so Dh and I can maybe go away for a night (oh the thought of 24 hours to go at my own pace and enjoy being a couple - rather than parents)  A friend with a good babysitter is going to give us her details so maybe we can at least get out to dinner once in a while!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 14, 2005, 11:19:11 am
Julieb: thanks for the tip!  :wink: I'm employing your technique as I speak. Good luck with the solids. They're very sure of what they don't like hey? Your tummy time advice sounds good, we haven't perfected the moving forwards thing yet. A lot of the time he ends up on his tummy.  :lol:
Love the picture of Asher! They're definitely going to keep us on our toes hey?

Tarri: So it seems like we're all in the teething boat. Here's to all the teeth making their appearance sooner rather than later.

Heather: Luka has been a tummy sleeper since he was a couple of months old, so he's used to being on his tummy. He did the almost crawling thing one night after his dad had bathed him, and ever since he's keen to go on all fours. At the moms and babes class I attend, they suggest putting your baby across a birthing ball if they're not fans of being on their tummies. Or lie down in front of them while they're on their tummy so that you're at eye level, or roll a ball in front of them too.
Your dh sounds like a wise man. :)

Christine: I'm with your dh on this!! The teething thing is hectic. At least we get breaks. Hope you're coping.. in fact, I'm sure you are.

Debra: Congrats on the better feeding. I think of you often. Thanks! I also hope we move out soon. The 'cottage' is one huge room. Cannot wait to get a place of my own, hopefully before I turn 25! hehee! It must be hard not to compare, even amongst ourselves here. I guess we just have to remember that our babies are individuals with thier own timetables. Enjoy your dinnerdate, I think it's a fantastic idea.

Us: Well, my poor son has caught a cold. We've been having funny weather this side of the world. Windy and cold-ish. My mom was ill, and Luka has caught her cold. So, we have a cold combined with teething. But suprisingly enough he's not too miserable and hasn't had a fever. It's the first time he's been ill, so this is all new. Not quite sure what to do.  :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 14, 2005, 14:26:26 pm
OMG i miss everybody!!!!!!  i only have a little bit of time here & there to check in and like Christine i feel so lost when there are 3 pages of posts to catch up on!!!!  hoping things will settle down soon and i can check in more frequently...

the new pictures are adorable.  i can't belive some of these babies are crawling already!!  luke is still working on sitting.  he's gotten very steady, but then when he reaches for something sometimes he just plops on over.  he's getting very interested in the pincer grip, and very frustrated when his fingers don't work quite the way he wants them to.

Heather - jaina hated tummy time too... she eventually learned to crawl from a sitting position - she would lean forward to get something & eventually would start to move her body in a weird sort of crawling way.  luke doesn't seem to have any interest whatsoever.  he also i think would prefer to just stand & walk & get on with it!!

for all those who are teething - i hear ya!  luke has been working on a tooth for the past week & it's making his afternoon nap HORRIBLE!!  wish the darn thing would just poke through.  schae, motrin is the brand name for ibuprofin.  it does last longer than tylenol, but it is stronger.

food wise, luke is starting to be more interested in cereal... kind of!  we're just taking our time & seeing how it goes.

anyhow, sorry i can't respond more personally at the moment, but i hope this week is much better for everyone!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 14, 2005, 15:00:59 pm
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Christine: You can copy & paste text from someone's post, then select the text and hit the "quote" button at the top of the text box OR in the top right corner of everyone's post is a "quote" button. Right click that to open in a new window to start your post with someone else's quoted post (which is what I did). Then I just deleted out the text I didn't need. Make sense?

Just practicing!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 14, 2005, 15:01:52 pm
Thanks Julie! I feel pretty special now!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 14, 2005, 17:16:40 pm
One thing I forgot to mention about the crawling...  I'm not one to worry about what Asher is or isn't doing, or in a rush usually, but once he started rolling both ways, I was VERY anxious to get him moving (via rolling, crawling, whatever).  He was one frustrated little guy for the first half of his life and I KNEW he'd be a whole lot more content if he could move himself around.  We also had such struggles with naps, every day, every time.  A few friends told me their LOs started napping better once they were mobile -- like it tuckered them out better.  So that's why emphasized the floor time and nixed all stationary toys.  And what do you know?  He started rolling proficiently at 4.5 months and scooting with a vengeance at 5 months.  And at the same time, his naps magically got a heck of a lot better and he was suddenly a happy little guy!  :D   Now sitting independently, that's another story!   :lol:  But with all this movin' & shakin' going on, who has time for that!   :wink:   I know he'll figure it out in time though, so I don't sweat it.

Schae: Hope Luka feels better soon!  I was afraid for the first time Asher would get sick.  I thought he'd be a bear!  He was a perfect, cuddly, sleepy little angel!  I LOVED it!   :oops:  I'm embarrassed to say I wish he was sick more often!   :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 14, 2005, 17:33:22 pm
Hi all
My baby was born 4 march so ... I kinda fall inbetween with some questions... I would like to know if anyone had experienced seperation anxiety at 5month already. We were suppose to go away for a long weekend and Lise suddenly did not want to stay with my mom - even for an hour - and she's used to spending entire mornings with her while I work!! My mom phoned me and asked me to come home as she was crying inconsolably - and if my mom phones!!! she is very competent (lise was a colicky baby so she knows crying!!) So baby went with one the weekend. I now plan a NIGHT away and was hoping someone has a miracle cure other than playing peek-a-bo?? Thanks all
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 14, 2005, 17:34:22 pm
So many replies since last check.

Christine:  Kinlagh's meals are as follows. 
Breakfast - 2-4 tbsp cereal + fruit (whatever she'll eat cause it's not her favorite, usually 1tbsp maximum)
Lunch - 2-3 tbsp veggie + fruit (again, whatever she'll eat) and later I'll add meat here
Supper - 2-4 tbsp cereal + 2-3 tbsp veggie and now starting a little fruit for desert.  (later I'll add dairy here)
And these are all about 20-30 minutes after her 5-8oz bottle (usually 8 )

Heather:  Maybe your lo will be one of the lucky ones that wakes one morning with 2 teeth and no signs of teething.  Wouldn't that be nice?!?  Never heard of "yo-baby" yogourt?  How is it different from regular yogourt?  As for the strait to walking comment, I was just talking to a friend last night with an 18 month old and her lo went straight to walking.  Did not like crawling.  So guess it's not as uncommon as we think.  I think Kinlagh is heading that way too.  She's been supporting her own weight for months!

Schae & Julie:  How cute the pics of your dc crawling.  I can't wait!!  We just bought all our babyproofing supplies yesterday.  Oh and thanks for the tummy time advice Julie.

Tarri:  Good, another lo with an eye tooth.  Did you find it more painful than the others?

Us:  Things are settling down a little bit now.  The teething has subsided (for now) and my ILs are just leaving.  But I'm sure poor Kinlagh will be bored with just mom.  She had so much fun having new people around.  And DH and I got to have 2 nights out this week.  Wow - that's unheard of around here.  How nice! 

How are all of you dealing with the separation anxiety thing?  The other night, I was out running errands only to find out when I got back, that poor Kinlagh was crying for her mommy.  I don't want to not go out, but I also don't want to leave DH or others with a crying baby either.  Any advice?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 14, 2005, 20:24:36 pm
PS - to whoever was talking about putting medicine in the bottle.... you're right, it is risky since you don't know if they will finish it. 

what has worked for us in the past is to unscrew the nipple, pour some milk into it & then put it in baby's mouth.  while he's eating, use the medicine dropper & squirt the meds in the milk.  if need be, keep adding milk until he takes all the medicine.  that way it masks the yucky taste & he gets the entire dose.

HTH
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 14, 2005, 23:37:50 pm
Jaime - it was me with the medicine issue.  that is a good idea.  we will try it next time.  she just gets so upset when we try it with the dropper that if i need to give it to her at night (ie.  around Df - i would rather slip it in the bottle than get her riled up with meds)...  will se if we can manage that without spilling the milk all over her  :lol:

Michelle - i am not sure how else to deal with sep anxiety - i am just trying to tell her when i am going away for a few minutes and then return and say "here i am".  i haven't even played peek a boo much yet.

Us: had my first "morning run" for Alex with no one here to stay with Olivia.  I got there very early and was waiting at the doors (they will not open before exactly 9am) by the time we got home and Liv in bed (9:15) she had been awake since 6:45 and out of her cot since 7am (so it is around 2hr 15 - 2hr 30 awake time) it has been 15 min and she is now sucking fiercely - she only took 4 oz (110ml) at breakfast so never sure if hunger or overtired now - fingers crossed she gets to sleep - i need to feel that i can manage this on Mondays as Alex loves going to care for the morning and gets SO much out of the experience.

PS -= before i got to send this Liv was alseep - took her 15-20 min with settling herself with squeals and then sucking - let's see how long she sleeps now that i was forced to try our longest awake time in the am! Good job Livvy!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 15, 2005, 02:00:14 am
Deb - I also had Leah awake until 9:30 this morning, with an awake time of 7:00. 2 1/2 hours of awake time, she then slept till 11:00.  :shock: I know it's only an hour and a half, but that's alot for us!

Julie - I was also told DD may start to sleep better once she is mobile. She always takes better naps when she has had a lot of activity before hand.

Michelle - Thanks for the info on Kinlagh's meals. Very helpful.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on August 15, 2005, 02:02:56 am
JulieB and Schae: way to go babies!  those pics are adorable.

Matty is just getting on all fours now and rocking, then he flops down on his tummy. I read recently that babies are crawling later or not at all since so many are sleeping on their backs instead of their tummies for safety.  I dont know if thats true, but Matty is definitely not yet crawling - he's a good roller though!

Debra:  what formula are you feeding her? It really sounds like milk allergy. would you mind posting or pm'ing me her symptoms?

Nikki welcome.

I havent seen the separation anxiety but I hope it doesnt happen one morning when Im going off to work!  uh oh!  He's been with my sitter since he was 5 weeks old, so I hope that helps some!  He does have stranger anxiety now and thats a bummer.  He cries with my family members and friends who adore him but obviously dont see him everyday.

As far as mothers go, I have to admit I'm jealous of you guys who have moms around.  Matty's doesnt have a grandma.  I miss my mother terribly and it makes me so sad that she will never get to meet him.   :(

Hugs to everyone

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 15, 2005, 02:03:54 am
christine - olivia still only slept for 45 min.  and now am about to go do the pick up for 12:30 which means she wil be out of her cot from 10:30 - almost 1pm so see if she does a nice midday nap (yesterday the sequence was 45 min, 1hr 30 and then 1 hr 30 at "catnap") i need her to do a 2 hr midday!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 15, 2005, 11:58:28 am
Hi everyone! 

Hi Nikki welcome! and also for Michelle-For separation anxiety- Eirwen has started actively reaching for me now with two arms- the cutest thing, but when I can't be with her or hold her she gets very whiney and pouty, and all out crying at some naps.  I heard that you can give them a blanket or shirt with your scent on it and that is supposed to help but I haven't tried yet.  She really likes the game of me leaving to get something and the returning from somewhere else.  It's really cute how surprised she is to see me come from "no where". She kicks and wiggles.  I read in the book re: touchy babies to always explain what you are going to do, but this is working for us well with the sep. anxiety too.  I tell her "mama is going to the bathroom now I'll be right back," and so forth.  I also heard to establish a goodbye ritual and practice it with them.  I have never had to leave her (except after bedtime) so I haven't made one yet.

JulieB- I too secretly loved when Eirwen had a cold...she was so cuddly and needy. :oops:

Heather- Yes that was me you were reassuring!! It's okay, she'll do stuff when she is ready! (telling myself this too constantly since she doesn't even roll).  The pictures of little ones crawling make it so hard not to feel worried on some level but I know she is fine.  My friend's 12 month old crawled at 11 months.  But I agree with Julie that the delays are often due to back sleeping recommendations for SIDS prevention.  Crawling, rolling and pushing up are all delayed because of back sleeping.  It's not always the case though but I myself was a very early crawler and walked alone at 11 months- I was a tummy sleeper unlike Eirwen.  Eirwen got herself onto her side yesterday from tummy position (no problem doing this from back)...big accomplishment for us :D I'm letting her get a little more frustrated than usual so she can try to figure it out...but I always get her before she cries.  she just hates it so much :cry:

Us- no further signs of teething :? kind of confused. except she isn't eating as well so I gave baby oragel and she seemed to eat better. She was out and about for 2 hrs yesterday and didn't make a peep.  Got this hip hammok carrier for her now and she really loves it :D had a great time riding with dh yesterday in it.  She is starting to really respond to him more which I love.  There was even a moment yesterday where she was fussing with me and dh walked into the room and she busted out this enormous smile and a chuckle "haaaa".  So funny!  I have been waiting for the moment when "only daddy can make it better." :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 15, 2005, 12:12:11 pm
Quote from: branwen
She is starting to really respond to him more which I love.  There was even a moment yesterday where she was fussing with me and dh walked into the room and she busted out this enormous smile and a chuckle "haaaa".  So funny!  I have been waiting for the moment when "only daddy can make it better." :D

Branwen, Olivia is like this with Jeff.  As soon as he comes home or enters a room she follows him with her eyes and will bend and twist to try to get him to look her way.  i already tell him she seems like she will be a "Daddy's girl".

i think we are definitely having both sep anxiety and teething.  a little of both today.  the teething happened for 3rd nap and she would not stop screaming and crying. when i finally gave her panadol she stopped S & C within 5 minutes.  unfortunately she refused to give in on the sleep and was up from 2:15 - bedtime at 7:20pm she did well in spite of the lost nap (she also woke form 2nd nap after 1 hr 15 to have a nasty poop so total daytime sleep today was 2 hrs!!!)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 15, 2005, 12:18:36 pm
I can't believe I just did that.  I spent an hour catching up and posting a reply, and I accidentally closed the window before I posted!  I'll have to come back later.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 15, 2005, 13:10:29 pm
Hi Everyone,

Emily rolled from her back to her tummy yesterday :D  :D .  And dh was there to see it too.

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 15, 2005, 15:22:52 pm
Ok, I'll have to try and remember what I said before.

Welcome Nikki!

Michelle - We tried squash over the weekend, and she wasn't v. receptive.  I mixed some with rice cereal and ebm, and she took it ok.  I'll have to try again in a few days.  I think I will try something like peas next.  I think the only thing different about yobaby is that it is supposed to be easier for them to digest, but I'm pretty sure once it is ok to give them dairy, regular yogurt is fine.

Deb - I'm sorry to hear your sister had to go.  Both of my sisters have been here since Maya was born, and they were super-helpful (unlike my mom).  As for the meds, can you make up two bottles - a short one with the meds that she's sure to finish and a second to fill her up?  And I do put Maya down for a 4th nap to make bedtime easier if we've had a bad day.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 15, 2005, 15:41:18 pm
Yes, the yobaby milk proteins are more broken down than whole milk.  My cousin and many friends swear by it.
Kelsey started napping well after a suggestion to put her down for her first nap 1 hour after wake time, and then even better after sitting independently.  Now, her morning A time is 1.5 hours, but naps are still going well.
Well, she's up, so my post is cut short.
Have a great day.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 15, 2005, 15:50:16 pm
Heather - is it a baby or bridal shower?  If you're planning on having games, I have baby bingo sheets already made up in excel.  You just type in the purchased items from the registry, and it automaticall generates the sheets.

Heather and Christine - As for the flat head thing, Maya's flat spot is really prononounced.  It's on the right side of her head.  We've done everything the ped has recommended (we first starting asking about it when she was about 2mos), but it doesn't seem to be getting any better.  We talked about it at her 6-mos visit, and at that point he said that he wouldn't be concerned until her face was no longer symmetrical from the front.  I don't think it is anymore.  I am concerned so we made an appt for Friday to discuss it.  I'll let you know what he says.

Schae - Luka's picture is so cute.  I feel for you sharing a room with him every night though.  We'd have to share a room with Maya a few times when travelling, and none of us sleeps well.  I hope you're able to get into your own place soon!

Tarri - My mom got that picture of dh (I cropped him out) and Maya.  That was the first time we got that big of a smile on camera.  Our camera is slow too - we usually get 5 or 6 goofy shots for every good one.  The outtakes from when I tried taking her passport photos were great.

As for us, the weekend went well.  We went to see my cousin and his wife and three kids (2.5, 9, and 10).  Maya went down for her naps and bedtime well, especially considering the house was much noisier than home.  And dh and I got to sneak out twice while my cousin's wife kept an  eye on her.  Granted our trips were to Target and for a quick bite to eat, but it was v. nice nonetheless.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 15, 2005, 16:26:45 pm
Our spit up has been horrid since Friday.  I can't figure it out.  And he's still so whiney and cranky.  His voice sounds scratchy, but no temp.  I'm wondering if he's feeling sick, or if it's just from all the whining and crying.

Deb:  Asher did the SAME thing yesterday!!  Up from 2:15 until bed, 7:15, and refused to take a catnap!  I thought it was gonna be hell getting him to bed, but he went right to sleep.  The night was a different story, very restless, I was up 6+ times.   :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 15, 2005, 17:18:46 pm
Hi there ...
Re Medicine in bottle: Here we have little tiny bottles with teat at the front in which you mix medicine. This is the only way we can get Lise's meds in - refuses the dropper - I now mix everything with some alcohol free gripe water and she will take everything fine.
Seperation anxiety??? I think she must have felt I was stressed or maybe she was not feeling well ... cause all is well with staying with my mom now!! :D I am so happy. I could go out today and do all the things I never can with my spirited one like return stuff, postoffice - all things that involve standing in line!!
I have to make supper ... so I have to go. bye for now
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 15, 2005, 18:08:41 pm
I forgot to say hi to all our new posters.  So, hello!  :lol:
Nikki, Lise is absolutely adorable!
Julieb, sorry for the rough night.  Sometimes, when Kelsey doesn't get her catnap, she ends up being awake for about 4.5 hours from end of second nap till bedtime.  I always think, "she'll take her bottle and go right down."  But she always seems to get a "second wind" and wants to play for a bit.  Also, I have to keep her up a little after bottle or it hurts her tummy to lay down right after eating.  Is it like this for anyone else?  I still sit her in my lap or put her in the bouncy chair for a good 15-20 minutes before I let her play so she won't throw up.
Debra, I haven't said lately, but I'm thinking of you often and pray for things to get better.
Tarri, congrats on Emily rolling!
Sorry I can't remember much else to respond to.  I forgot to use the "separate window trick" before responding, and the topic review at the bottom of this posting window doesn't give me everyone's names and I forget.  :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 15, 2005, 18:12:48 pm
I have been MIA as usual. Weekends just make us go crazy. Diya has been whiny again for the past 1 week. She is either teething or ready for her next developmental milestone. I think she needs the winddown somedays for naps. She completely wakes up when I put her down, even if I put her drowsy and then puts herself to sleep. She kissed me last week. I always make her kiss me by showing my face very close to her. This time, I just waited for her to bring her face close to me and she did it. Everytime after she kisses me, I make such a big deal and she thinks that it is the funniest thing.
 What do you guys do when you go to restaurants with DC? I took her twice this weekend and she turns herself completely in the opposite direction while sitting in the restaurant high chair. These chairs are so outdated that their seat belts don't even restrain them. I am planning to take my booster seat next time. How to entertain DD, is my next problem. She throws all the cups and toys which I give her.
Christine, every time you tell us that it is going to be hard to wake these babies when they grow up, makes me feel better! I can't even imagine that will happen one day!
Julie, thanks for that tip about mobility makes the child sleep better. I have been making Diya play on the floor all the time now while i am dreaming about her long naps:)
Heather, you could even put a mirror in front of Kelsey and she will start enjoying her reflection and tummy time. Mine did after doing that and I also started making funny faces when I was at her level on my knees. I started walking without crawling when I was a baby. So don't worry if she skips that step.
Deborah, yobaby yogury is made from from whole mil while all the other yogurts in the market are made from low fat milk. I have read that you can give it to them after 7 months.
Jaime, thanks for taking the time to post us about the questions we ask. Luke looks so adorable in that exersaucer!
Julie, my mom lives very far away too! I miss my parents so much!
Deb, I hope you are doing okay without your sis!
Branwen, she will have her teeth when you almost forget about it! My DD did that!
Nikki, welcome!
All of you who have a sling, what kind do you have? My DD hates the shopping cart and stroller after a little time. I would like to get some recommendations!
She is whining! I better go
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 15, 2005, 18:45:07 pm
I forgot to answer some questions.
Kelsey starts to cry on her tummy after 10 seconds (or less), so I try my best to entertain her and distract her, but it doesn't last long.  The best distraction is the dog, but I can't get her to cooperate.  Oh, well.
And, the baby shower I was co-hosting is already past, but thanks for the game offer.  Unfortunately, we were tight on time, and wouldn't have had time for games.
The next shower is bridal if anyone has any ideas/tips/suggestions on fun themes, games, or foods.
I would love to see more pictures that may include your surroundings.  I find it extremely interesting to talk to others from around the world, and would love to see your "home town."  I'll try to get a pic up soon.
Title: how to adjust the height and width of the avatar
Post by: diyasmom on August 15, 2005, 19:24:44 pm
I compressed the picture which I wanted to post as my avatar to 91 KB. It still wouldn't let me post the picture. It says that the height should be less than 165 pixels and width should be less than 120 pixels. How do I do that. Sorry for the ignorance.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 15, 2005, 19:49:05 pm
Vidya - We have four different types (all hand-me-downs), an Infantino, an Evenflo, a Snugli, and an actual sling baby hammock thing.  All are a couple years old so I'm sure the models and features have changed somewhat.  Our favorite is the Snugli.  It fits her best, and she can ride face in or face out comfortably.  Most of them say you can, but with the Evenflo one we have, she's all contorted when facing out.  Look for one with wide padded straps for your comfort, and you definitely want something that is machine-washable.  Someone mentioned they had a hip hammock - I'm curious as to how comfortable that is.

Heather - Maya hates tummy time too, and that isn't helping the flat head issue at all.  I'm lucky to get 2 or 3 minutes out of her before she rolls over.  She gets really mad if you try and put her back once she's rolled over too.  She also tends to spit up quite a bit if she's eaten in the last hour, so that limits our opportunities.

Also, somebosy asked about hiccup remedies.  I'm not sure about Nature's Bliss, but there's something called Baby's Bliss Gripe Water (http://www.babys-bliss.com).  Our ped recommended it when we were dealing with Maya's colic.  It's made of ginger root and fennel.  It says it takes care of hiccups too, but we were using it for gas relief.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 15, 2005, 20:18:34 pm
Vidya I have a hammock sling and also one that is kind of a pouch style (can face in or out!) Lise loves facing out (jip she is a spirited one) and did not like the hammock to much (I think she felt to constricted). I only used it a couple of times - I would recommend trying a few styles as I probably would not have bought the hammock if I tried it with her first.

The hip hammock is the same as the regular sling, you just "wear" it differently. Dr.Sears "The baby book" shows some variations - I myself have not tried any though.

hwcampbell Jip- I think so is gorgeous to but that is a mums right!! Kelsey Rae is adorable to. I just ove little girls (and boys to!!) Hopefully the next one (which will be MUCH LATER ON!!) will be a boy.

dkjokisch - I asked about the hiccups ... I have tried gripe water which works 1/3 times. Will look at that website though.

Julieb - Lise was like that today with NOT co-operating with nap times ... needless to say it was a rough afternoon. I hope she last the night. Keep fingers crossed. Does your DS have reflux??? A friend of mine's baby only was diagnosed at 1yr with reflux when his coughing and wheezing did not get better - his voice was also scratchy.

Us things are going OK ... I am training a new domestic worker/child minder. Feeling a little bit nervous as I am not very good at letting someone else take over (except my mom!! - Yes I am very fortunate - she's a lifesaver!!!). Otherwise Lise is doing great ... rolling, sitting, and aaaaalmost crawling. She goes backwards at this time - and she gets soooo frustrated when she cannot get to her toys. I hope that she does crawl as I would like her to continue to carry weight on her arms ... so good for developing shoulder girdle control which is so important for fine motor development. Well - they will do what they will do I suppose! Goodnight ... time for DF. I will post some more pics of Cape Town later on.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 15, 2005, 21:39:43 pm
Vidya:  You are so funny! "dreaming about her long naps"  :lol:
In the restaurant, I use my Floppy Seat cover (you know, for the grocery carts?).  It's bulky enough that he can't get out really and it has loops to hold link-a-dos for the the toys.  But I must admit, Asher will only sit for 20 minutes TOPS!  So we don't go to restarants much at all (or just play "Pass the Baby").  :roll:   
And for the sling, you may want to borrow one or purchase at a store you can return in case Diya doesn't like it.  Sometimes starting a baby at this age doesn't go over so well.  Asher has been in the sling since he was a newborn though.  I like Maya Wraps, but I have a New Native Baby Carrier sling.  I've also used traditional carriers like Baby Bjorn and Snugli.  Asher did fine in them all, but I like the compactness of the slings because I can throw them in the diaper bag easily.  I'm often seen pushing an empty stroller around the mall as Asher sits my sling!   :lol:
Your DD is gorgeous!!  I emailed a correctly sized photo to you.

Deborah: We have problems with the spit up whether he's on his back or tummy!   :roll:   I have a bunch of blankets on the floor to spare the carpet, he wears a soft bib most of the time to keep his clothes drier, and we have lots of burb cloths handy!  It's just the nature of the game now!

Nikki:  DS probably has reflux, though not officially diagnosed.  The scratchiness just started though, so I don't know!  We'll see how it goes this week!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 15, 2005, 23:25:12 pm
I also heard that Gripe Water works wonderfully, but I have not tried it myself.  Kelsey had terrible hiccups the first 3-4 months, but they have been almost nonexsistent since then.
Vidya, I see that julieb may have correctly sized your picture.  It's absolutely precious.  Hope you are able to get it on as an avatar.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 15, 2005, 23:30:25 pm
I posted this in the lounge or somewhere, but thought I'd post here, too.

I had an email from this company to visit their website.  You might want to take a look, but I haven't gone through it very much yet, so don't blame me if it stinks.  :)
http://www.1800diapers.com

I think it stands for 1-800-diapers, and not 1800 diapers.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 16, 2005, 01:48:50 am
Julie B - Leah was acting the same way today. Fussy and just plain crabby, almost like she was sick. Plus I heard she threw up alot today too. Of course I had to go to school for a workshop today, so she was with my sister. I felt bad.  :( Not sure what is wrong. We gave her Motrin this afternoon for the first time and she seemed much happier. Somthing must be bothering her. More teeth? Hope not....

Deborah - Let me know how the flat head appointment goes.

Heather - I think it is a wonderful idea to post pictures with more surroundings. I feel like I know everyone just a bit better when I see pictures. Whereabouts in Tennessee are you? My cousin lives down there and we hope to go visit her sometime either this winter or next summer. Maybe we can meet someday in the near future!!!  :D Next summer would be fun becuase the LO's will be 1 1/2! My cousin lives on the army base on the line of Tennessee and Kentucky.

I have ordered diapers from 1800diapers.com Very cheap plus free shipping! Ends up to be even cheaper than Walmart.

Will post more later. Sorry to who I forgot!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 16, 2005, 02:33:14 am
Julie
You are always such a great help! I am glad I brought my BW guru(you ofcourse) into this chat. Did you just compress it so that it became 16 KB? I would like to know how you did it so that I don't bug you in the future. If you have time, please let me know!
Thanks a million
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 16, 2005, 03:22:05 am
Vidya: You're welcome!  I have Adobe photoshop which lets me change the dimensions.  Instead of changing the dimensions in inches, I did it in pixels (165 x 120), which equals about 2.25 x 1.5 inches at 72 dpi.

And thanks for the BW guru compliment!   :oops:  :D   Some days I feel far from it (like today)!  So it's nice to feel helpful to someone on days like these!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 16, 2005, 04:29:57 am
i wrote a huge reply to everyone and stupidly lost it by trying to delete a bit in the preview window  :oops:  D'oh!

anyway - will try as best i can in the limited time i have left of naptime!

Julie - if Matty is rocking then crawling will probably happen soon as that shows he is thinking about it and is practicing!

Olivia is on a formula (S26) that is unavailable in the US. it is a regular milk based formula.  for 1 1/2 months she was on the thickened version of the same formula - thickened by the maufacturer with cornstarch.  i am plannign on asking about allergy tests tomorrow at my Dr appt - since i am bringing the girls with me i hope the Dr will squeeze in a quick chat about olivia.
her symptoms are excessive mucus - constant runny nose - and occassionally a wet rattly sound in her chest (not as bad as before), she has a bit of ezcema on the side of her forehead and gets hot and flushed in the face (bright red cheeks and hot as a filled hot water bottle), constipation and when not comnstipated her poops are yuck!

I am so sorry that you lost your mother. i know how hard it is to be without a parent as my father died when i was 14 so is never going to be connected to "my" family.

Tarri - congrats on the rolling - we are nowhere near this yet!! yay Emily!

Deborah - thanks for the med tip.  and glad to hear you got out a little bit with Dh.  Good luck at the doctor.  I am going to try to see if Olivia's still symetrical in the front - the back is still pretty flat but i have not had it checked lately.

Julieb - sorry Ashers had a bad nightand that his spit up is so bad. i tis so hard when we don't know what to do to "fix" things. 

Heather - thanks for thinking of me - it helps knowing i am supported here.  your positive attitude is uplifting and helps me to refocus - you acn be team cheerleader as it helps!

Vidya - we are sad and don't take the girls to eat at restaurants.  we figure it is too much hassle and expense and we would not get too much enjoyment taking care of  kids, rushing through a meal and racing home for naps.  we tend to go to friends' places for afternoon tea or early dinner / BBQ and just get home for bedtime. very cute photo BTW!

Christine - I hope Leah is better!!

Welcome Nikki - very cute little girl.

For us - solids are still not good - tried pears and she won't open her mouth.  i am putting it on her lips for her to taste and givng her spoon to play with as per SP rec.  we might have troubles as we go one but have been told to offer it every day so she can get comfortable and more familiar with it.  fingers crossed that we don't have battles like with the bottle. it will take all my self control.

For those who recently joined us and have not read my threads i htought i woudl let you know that i am on meds for PPD (anxiety) as I had a hard time in the beginning with a baby and toddler (19 mo gap) and no family here.  we are doing much better now that olivia is on a 4 hr EASY and the girls have their midday nap synchronized.  he meds are helping for sure - 2 weeks ago i was being a grouchy bi**h and i figured out myself that i had forgotten to take my meds.  when we got home n the afternoon i took it and felt better within a half hour or so.

well Olivia is up so gotta go - she has had 2 x 1hr 30 min naps so far and assuming she takes catnap i will be happy!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: GG on August 16, 2005, 05:27:28 am
WOW!  11 pages in just 7 days!  This thread moves fast!  I should have kept up with this from the beginning.   :oops:  I feel like a teenager that didn't know she had homework.  *LOL*  :lol:

Anyway, my DS was born at the very end of February (I think he was in a hurry to get in before the end of the month for some reason).

Heather - I've used Gripe Water.  I don't think my DS has reflux but I give it to him when he's fussy after eating.  I think he likes tasting something other than bm, too.  ;-)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 16, 2005, 08:16:36 am
Quote from: Debinoz
Olivia is on a formula (S26) that is unavailable in the US. it is a regular milk based formula.  for 1 1/2 months she was on the thickened version of the same formula

Lise was also on S26 and we struggled with constipation to!! and most terrible intestinal issues. She then went onto PERLARGON which is acidified (it is predigested so her immature digestive system does not have to work so hard.) This worked very well ... but as she has SILENT REFLUX we had to give her gaviscon as well which in turn made her CONSTIPATED again. What a circle!! Anyway - her doc has her on INFACARE antireflux now (thickend as well) and she is of the gaviscon. Back on the Losec as she was not doing well without it. She is doing very well on this formula.

I have included a pic of the area we live in - Somerset West - 30min from Cape Town.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 16, 2005, 11:38:52 am
Hi everyone!  Will write more later but wanted to post this picture.  It is of us in the backyard last weekend.  Not much to look at but a little piece of MA.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 11:41:06 am
Wow, beautiful pic Nikki!  What a view! 

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells around dd since joining this post.  I'm so afraid that nightwaking will begin - we've been pretty fortunate, she's slept thru the night since 7 weeks and i can't imagine going back.  Last night she cried out at 10:00pm but settled right back on her own.  The night before she started cooing in bed around 2:30am and I didn't go in.  Figured I'd go in only if she sounded distressed.  Again, she settled back to sleep on her own.  Pfew!  So far so good.

The mornings are a different story.   Her waketimes vary so much lately.  Anyone having the same problem?  I never know if she'll wake at 6:00am or 8:00am.  Or anywhere in between.  So every day is different.  Tough to stick to a routine when you start at a different time every day.

We worked on tummy time all day yesterday.  I want to get her a little more mobile.  And you were right, her naps were a little better yesterday with the increased activity.  She's mastered spinning in a circle, but no forward movment yet.  We'll see what she does today.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 16, 2005, 12:00:22 pm
just a quick one before bed  - Jeff took my sister and Alex hiking up Barrenjoey Lighthouse on the Northern beaches of Sydney a couple of weeks ago.  sydney is a city set all on water - everyone wants to live near the beaches, or have water views, sailing, etc!!  bearing in mind it is the dead of winter - it is nice to be warm enough in a T shirt and need sunglasses year round :D

excuse alex's little pouty lip! this is one of the few "location" shots i could find on the computer...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 16, 2005, 12:13:41 pm
Michelle - How old is dd?  And what time does she go to bed?  We have had the same issue with Maya, sometimes waking and crying and hour or two after going to bed.  We think it is related to when we have a particularly busy day or do something more ambitious than stroll around the neighborhood in the hour before we put her down for the night.  But usually, she settles down pretty quickly and goes back to bed.  Sometimes dh changes her diaper just to distract her.

She also wakes in the middle of the night, it like you waking up and rolling over and going back to sleep.  Sometimes you never realize you were awake, sometimes it takes 20 minutes to get back to sleep.  Also, as they get more vocal, for whatever reason, they think the middle of the night is the perfect time to practice talking.  We do the same as you - leave her be unless she's getting upset.  However, we are very careful not to make any noise lest she hear someone else is up and want company.

We also have the same wake-up problem.  Although since her 6-mos growth spurt (I long for the days when she slept until 8am!), it has been between 5 and 6:30am.  This presents a dilemma, because I don't want her to get in the habit of waking up at 5am.  If she gets up before 6am, I feed her and put her straight back to bed.  But then, should I wake her, or just let her sleep through her morning nap, knowing she'll be up a little earlier than normal?  I've tried waking her, but that never seems to go well, and the day goes downhill from there.

Branwen - I love the photo.  We haven't had alot of time for gardening since Maya was born, so we keep the front nice, and call the back "the natural area".  Good thing we have a privacy fence or else the neighbors might have started complaining by now.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 16, 2005, 13:33:55 pm
This thread grows so fast! wow!

My apologies as I cannot respond individually, we're having a really hard time lately as Luka has hay fever. We discovered this yesterday. His nose has been runny, eyes watering, coughing and general miserableness! We were given anti histamines and cortizone (once off).
So we're battling on the night and nap sleeps. And to top it off, I'm ill too.  :(

Hi Nikki, nice to see a fellow South African :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 14:14:17 pm
Deborah - dd will be 7 months on Friday.  Her bedtime is between 7:15-7:45 (usually).  All depending on whether she gets an afternoon catnap or not.  We're in between 2-3 naps right now so all is a little "off" lately.  And yes, we wouldn't dare go in her room in the middle of the night when she's happy.  Friends of ours have gone in when their ds was chatting and as soon as he saw his parents, he wanted play time.  Sorry, mommy's in no mood for playtime at 2:30am. 

As for the morning, I never know what to do either when she's up early.  If she starts waking at 5:45 or so, we have left her and usually she falls back asleep til mom is ready.  However sometimes she's awake so dh has gone in and pat/shh and left the room so she knows it's not wake time yet.  And again, she's gone back to sleep.  So maybe try that and not feed her.  (treat it as a night wake)

Schae - poor Luka.  Hayfever at his age?  Poor little guy.  Did you have any eczema issues?  We're battling eczema and were told that she's prone to allergies as well.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: GG on August 16, 2005, 14:42:29 pm
Quote from: herbst99
I have included a pic of the area we live in - Somerset West - 30min from Cape Town.

Nikki, this is a beautiful view!!  That photo reminds me of the views I have from my relatives's homes in Patra, Greece.  I miss it so much!!!  DH, DS and I will be visiting them in October, so I will post some photos then.

Come to think of it, I should have some photos from past trips.  I'll find and scan 1 or 2, as a comparison.   :D  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 16, 2005, 14:48:27 pm
Well, I feel silly about posting the picture idea, and I haven't even done so yet.  But thanks for sharing.  All the pics are great. 
Christine, I'm in Knoxville.  I'm not sure how far it is to the Kentucky border, but I wouldn't think too far.  It would be great to meet!!!
I'm going to keep working on my pic.  I considered showing you the interstate construction mess since that is all that seems to go on around here.   :evil:   Or the football stadium, because Knoxville thrives on it's college football team.  Go Big Orange!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 16, 2005, 15:23:21 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
Did you have any eczema issues?  We're battling eczema and were told that she's prone to allergies as well.

Yes, he has eczema. Poor guy. What worries me is the fact that it makes them more prone to asthma.  :?

Here's a view of Johannesburg:
(http://www.satravelguide.com/images/joburg-city.jpg)
concrete jungle
and a sunset in Joburg
(http://www.delaney.co.za/thumbnail/Joburg%20City%20Sunset_s_167.jpg)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 16:05:23 pm
Quote from: Schae
Yes, he has eczema. Poor guy. What worries me is the fact that it makes them more prone to asthma.  :?

I know.  DH had eczema, asthma and allergies as a child.  Luckily, the only remaining one is the allergies (including peanuts).   I'm hoping DD won't have many other illnesses as eczema is tough enough to deal with.  How do you keep Luka's breakouts under control?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 16:24:50 pm
My turn for pics.  Here are a couple of views of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.  The good, the bad and the ugly!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 16, 2005, 16:26:34 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
How do you keep Luka's breakouts under control?

I'm careful with the soaps I use on him and on his clothes. They've got rooibos products here that really help. And he hasn't had a breakout in ages.
And you for Kinlagh? lovely name by the way. :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 17:21:25 pm
We too are careful about anything scented.  We use unscented EVERYTHING for her and for us.  She has a massage twice a day of eucerin creams, and we use 1% hydrocortisone on the breakouts when they happen.  She's fighting a little breakout on her chest and back the last couple of days.  But it's so much better than 3 months ago.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 16, 2005, 17:51:17 pm
Asher had a much better night last night, though the pessimist in me says it's a fluke.  He MUST be sick or something.  The excess spit up just continues and so does his scratchy voice.  He's acted extra sleepy yesterday and today.  And he's been cranky & fussy for over a week!  But there are no REAL sick symtoms I can grab on to.  So I don't know!   :roll:   

He went down last night and played for a half hour or so, I had to go in and resettle twice.  But then we didn't hear from him from 7:50-2:40!  Woo hoo!  :D   Usually there's AT LEAST one cry out (where he resettles himself) and often another cry out where I have to go in and resettle him.  Then he usually wakes to eat 1-2 AM, so sleeping until 2:40 AM was a real treat for me!   :lol:   Then I did wake-to-sleep at 5:10 AM and he slept through!!  Woo hoo again!  :D   We heard him wake at 6:50 and play quietly in his crib until I got him up at 7:00.  YAY!  :D  :D  :D

Pears are also going better.  He eats a few more bites every day.  I think he ate a whopping 1 & 1/2 teaspoons this morning!  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 16, 2005, 18:26:03 pm
Here's a pic of Knoxville with a view of the Univeristy of Tennessee (some of it), and the Tennessee River.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 18:45:30 pm
Heather  - Knoxville's waterfront looks a little like Halifax with the 2 bridges and all.  Very nice!

Kinlagh insisted she add her two cents.  I guess baby knows best right?!?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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Thanks for letting her play.  Any other lo's have something to say??
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: GG on August 16, 2005, 18:58:57 pm
*LOL*   Here's Foti: 

djs,vku  xekwz xxx xq2wy6 hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmjgmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkk  gvvvvvv

There were a lot of ALT's and Ctrl's included in there as well.  ;-)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 16, 2005, 19:38:00 pm
Luka's fast asleep.  it's 9.30pm here :lol:
i'm sure he'll add his contribution tomorrow :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 16, 2005, 19:45:24 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
My turn for pics.  Here are a couple of views of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.  The good, the bad and the ugly!!!

Ooh I miss Canada winters!! (canadians are probably going WHAT!!!!) We worked in Manitoba, Alberta and BC for around 3.5 years. Came back to SA as whe did not want to raise our children away from family and a sense of belonging. but seeing all that snow. I am soooo sad we did not get to Nova Scotia - met someone from there though - very nice guy.

Anyway ... Lise was still messing up her nap times and mommy's need for a FIXED SCHEDULE. Yes I know I have to be a little flexable but my personality struggles to cope. I have no choice in the matter it seems. :roll:

Hopefully we will have no more night wakings where I have to go and resettle her - I am wondering about teeth as she suddenly started giving these "pain cries" at night and also once today during a nap ... tonight I had to go and resettle. Is this teeth or maybe just a nightmare? This guessing game! :D

Again time for DF so goodnight and keep those pics coming. GREAT IDEA by the way
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 16, 2005, 21:21:57 pm
Hi everyone-

Thank you JulieB for the calendula cream.  That was you right?!  It has worked miracles on Eirwen's skin (mine too :wink:)!  I have also started using the California Baby products on her (all natural) and it is so much better.

I too love the photos.  I will post some of Colorado from our recent trip.  Even though I live out in Massachusetts the West is home :) The city is Denver, CO and the mountains are where I grew up (2 hrs northwest).

Eirwen didn't sleep through construction so well today.  We are having breastfeeding issues.  3 min feeds, not hungry, super hungry.  It seems to be all over, and then she gorges herself on solids and I feel like I am accidently weaning. So stressed.  She even burst into tears when I tried to offer the second breast.  Feed times have gotten a little hairy around here.  I feel very on edge and frustrated with this.  Her 3.5 hr schedule is shrinking to 3 but I feel this is because her naps are getting shorter (1.5 instead of 2), so I have to do something.  I keep saying this I know :roll: But every time I put my foot down (in my mind) to extend her awake time no matter what she gets sooo tired and is so clear about wanting a nap....

JulieB
- glad pears are going better. Eirwen only likes pears mixed in oatmeal but loves apples.  we tried carrots today :D

Michelle- I too feel so nervous about night wakings and teething...I just keep telling myself it will be ok.

Deborah- you sound like you're going through a rough time.  Keep us posted. 

Head is spinning, dh just walked in the door, but here is your CO picture!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 16, 2005, 21:59:40 pm
Branwen: So glad the calendula cream is helping!  I should buy stock in Boiren!   :lol:   The people at the natural foods store think I'm funny because the only things I ever buy there is the calendula gel and teething tablets -- especially when I catch it on sale, I load up!   :wink:

Where/when are you moving?  Back to CO?  Me & my DH pondered Denver a lot (got the idea from http://www.findyourspot.com ), but once we got pregnant, we knew we'd never be able to leave Arizona since 95% of our family is here.  We joke about buying our future summer home there though!  :wink:

I wonder if Eirwen is teething!  They often have a hard time nursing because of the pain.  Can you give Motrin/Tylenol/teething tablets/etc to her 30 min before nursing?  Asher seemed to nurse less while cutting the teeth.  I pretty much feed him every 2 hours now though, in place of what will become solids soon, I hope!  His awake time has extended to 2.5 hours, but he'll wake early and hungry from his nap.  So I have to feed him again before in order to get him to still nap 2+ hours.  He's really wanting to drop that last catnap -- which is so hard since we don't have good solids going yet.

Oh, on extending the awake time, Asher was often showing his tired cues 30 minutes before nap time.  But I knew if I put him down then, I'd only get 45 min out of him.  So I extended his awake time, but ended up holding him or playing directly with him those last 30 minutes, just to get that extra time.  Eventually he got used to the extra time, the naps got shorter again, so I extended another 15 minutes.  Same thing happened, I had to start holding him during that last bit to get him through it, but he got used to it and the naps got better again.  HTH!

BTW, I've been meaning to ask, where do yours and Eirwen's names come from?  How are they pronounced?  They are so beautiful and unique!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 16, 2005, 22:50:23 pm
Branwen (and JulieB) - What's the calendula cream for?  I'm obsessed with different types of creams now that we're battling eczema with dd.  Did Eirwen have skin issues? 
How did carrots go?  Did she like them?  We found that the messiest veggie so far.  Stains her clothes, table, face and even her bum.  Super cute though!! :D  :D

JulieB: 
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BTW, I've been meaning to ask, where do yours and Eirwen's names come from? How are they pronounced? They are so beautiful and unique!
  I've been wondering the same thing...do tell Branwen.

Nikki - Guaranteed Canadians (including me) are wondering what the heck you're talking about.  You miss our winters?  You can have 'em!!!   I'll trade it for ummm, Sydney winters where you can still wear t-shirts and sunglasses (right Debra?)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 16, 2005, 23:25:23 pm
Michelle (and others with eczema issues): Calendula gel/ointment/lotion/cream (I use the Boiron brand) is a homeopathic remedy used for healing various skin things from sunburns to cuts to cradle cap to diaper rash to eczema.  I use the gel for Asher's diaper rash -- better than ANYTHING out there!  I use it daily to keep it away since his bum is so sensitive down there.  I used the lotion to clear up his cradle cap when he was a couple months old.  A couple people on this thread decided to try the cream for their LO's eczema and so far have had good results!  Maybe give it a try yourself, you can pick it up at most natural/whole food stores.   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 16, 2005, 23:47:40 pm
Hi Everyone, we had our 6 month check up today.  Emily weighs 17.5 lbs and doc says is very healthy :lol:  :lol: .  She also gave us a referal to a dermatologist for her eczema.  I'll let you know how that goes. 

Any ideas about tweaking our routine :?:   Lately Emily is on about 3.5 hr cycle and has been having a 1.5-2hr morning nap at 8:30 but then 2 catnaps in the afternoon and is a crankball :x  for the rest of the day (also teething).  I end up carrying her around for the last 15mins of every A time.  And she's completly wiped and ready for bed by 6:00pm.  My dh ended up going in about 5 times between 11:00 and 2:00 last night and then she slept till 6:30am.  (We have an arrangement where he does night wakings between 10:00 and 2:00 and then I do it till morning.)

What does everyone do during A time?  I think I need more activities to keep her interested.

Also I think she's going thru a growth spurt because she's finished all of her bottles for the last two days.  I'm trying to ramp up the solids but even though she likes it, it most ends up on her bib.  Everytime I put a spoonful in she pops her thumb in her mouth to suck it down. :lol:

Michelle, I also started using the calendula cream for Emily's eczema (on Julie's advice) and found it has stopped the eczema from getting worse, where it was getting worse every day when I stopped using the cortisone cream.  I think the gel might be better but I can't find a health store that has it.  Also I bought the Rooibus red bush tea but haven't used it yet.

Leaving on a positive note, I think all our babies are getting cuter every day :)  :)  Here's some pictures, the first is my veggy garden that I planted in about 2 mins during Emily's naps and is doing really well and us boating with our dog Angel.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 17, 2005, 00:34:45 am
Debra, I keep forgetting to ask.  I know you mentioned that your dd2 spends 1.5 hours in her cot even if she naps or not.  How do you keep her happily in the cot if she wakes up early?  Thanks Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 17, 2005, 01:15:30 am
I can't keep up with you all.  I'm so glad for the great response on the pictures.  It really helps to identify with you even more to be able to see "the world you live in".  Alot of you seem to live near water.  I think that would be wonderful.  We have a lot of nice lakes.  Dh and I used to go frequently when he fished, but none of that since Kelsey.  He even sold his boat because he wasn't getting to use it, and we could use the money.
Julieb and Branwen-great new pics of Asher and Eirwen.

Get this...Dh is of the mind that we should go ahead with #2 in order to get all the "bad stuff" over with all together.  I think not.  I'd rather give it a few years and forget about it, plus I'd like Kelsey to be a bit self-sufficient before I have to care for another baby.  What about you all?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 17, 2005, 01:19:24 am
i LOVE all these pictures!!!  here's one of mine.  it's not actually my home, but at my parents' on clearwater beach, but it's one of the few that i have of both kids outdoors.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 17, 2005, 02:38:40 am
Love the photos everyone!!

Tarri - if i put her in at 9 am she is in there awake or asleep until 10:30 UNLESS she starts crying a get me out cry.  if she sleeps for 45 min and wakes and chats i don't go in and wait to see if she will eventually go back to sleep.  if she is squealing and staring at hands etc i just leave her.  at 10:30 i go in and star next cycle. if she sleeps 1 hr 30 i get her up as soon as i hear her chatting.  rarely goes more than 1hr 30.  she is generally a very happy kid so she only cries when in pain, extremely overtired or getting p*ssed off (and then it is a gentle escalation communicating "i want out")

Heather - tell your Dh that is exactly what we did.  i wanted kids around 2 years apart (my sister and i were 3 1/2 yrs and never close after she hit puberty  :lol:  until now when we are reconnecting in our 30s) childcare costs are insane here and i did not have a "career" so to speak - so we decided to hav kids close in age and me stay at home for 3-5 years depending on how things went.  in 6 months i think i am going to be really loving it - taking the girls to the beach and playing in the backyard...  :D  but the first 6 months were SOOOOO hard as you know especially with no help!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 17, 2005, 05:02:12 am
Heather: DH wanted our children as close as possible (he and his siblings are close in age).  I would like them 4-5 years apart.  We have compromised on 3.5 (we will start the summer after Asher turns 2).  After several of our friends and my brother have all recently had their 2nd children, he's fully on board with waiting!   :lol:  It's been pretty rough for everyone, a lot to balance! 

Also fueling my fire is Dr. Kevin Leman (author of The New Birth Order Book, host of Parent Talk radio, appearances on The View), a popular family psychiatrist who says the "ideal" spacing is between 3-4 years.  They're old enough to be more indepent and understand what's going on, but not so old to be disconnected from their sibling.

Although, Dr. Leman has also said having a first born girl is the easiest sibling arrangement.  So it may be just fine having them closer since you already have a girl!  He says girls make better big sisters than boys make big brothers.  Does that make sense?  I've noticed this is quite true in MANY families I know.  Most of these families have an oldest daughter.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 17, 2005, 09:17:47 am
To all true Canadians - I miss the snow!! Not really the cold. Loved skiing etc and as you know we don't have much skiing in South Africa either. Our winter has been pretty mild - long sleeves and maybe a "summer"coat.

Re starting with NR2: I don't know - I am kindof "in 2 minds" about it. My DH was also saying - lets get it over with ... ooooh  but I don't know!!! I am pretty lucky with the help I have here (full time domestic worker/trainee childminder) and my mom AND mother in law very close by. so ... maybe we should start trying when Lise is a year old?

us/ Last night we had a goodnight but we are really starting to struggle again with naps during the day ... I think I will post our very flexable routine for some advice?

 :arrow: 6:00 - Awake and chatters ... if she gets to noisy I will pick up into bed with us ( :oops: ) I know!! but she will then maybe sleep untill 7:00
 :arrow: 7:00 - FF and then playing ... I am trying to stretch to 2.5hours awake but that just means I have to entertain her after about and hour
 :arrow: 9:00/9:30 - NAP - again started waking up after 45min. Usually at this nap my mom looks after her so I can get my work done (I work on my parents wine farm) I think my mom does not really understand the going in at 30min and waiting at least 20min!! Different parenting styles in 2005!!
 :arrow: 10:15 she is awake and THERE GOES THE DAY!

We will then try and work the day ... only thing that we keep fixed is the FF every 4hrs and she now has some solids (cereal) at around 5 or 5:30 (depending on afternoon 30 min nap)

Well - will see if we can get her nap a little longer her next nap.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 17, 2005, 13:02:05 pm
Nikki, I'm also having afternoon nap problems.  And I usually have night wakings.  So this morning I've resolved to keep her up two full hours after I turn the lights on in the morning.  I did it for the first time this morning and boy was it HARD work, she kept rubbing her eyes like crazy but I kept her going.  What do you do for A time?  Emily woke at 6:30 this morning so I didn't put her in bed till 8:30 where normally I would have only waited till 8:15.  She went down with no crying or patting.  I'm hoping this might fix her 2 catnaps in the afternoon :? .

Also, I have to share that Emily slept thru till 6:30 this morning!!!! :o  :D  :D   And she didn't wake for a dreamfeed until 10:00 (the last week it's been 8:30).  I'm thinking it's maybe the solids I gave for supper the first time.  Or maybe it's all the tylenol cause she had her shots yeterday.  Hmmm.

Heather,  we're trying to figure out when to have LO #2.  Although I really don't think I'll be able to handle it.  I think we'll wait till I think we're starting to get a little lower maintenance on #1 and then try.

Have a good day everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 17, 2005, 14:36:40 pm
Nikki, I am by no means a nap expert.  Lord knows I've really struggled with Kelsey's naps.  However, I find I'm better at giving suggestions to others, so here's my thoughts.  You might need to consider that if she's waking around 6, even though she's in her crib and chatting, she's awake, and if she doesn't go back to sleep with you, then by 9 she's been up for 3 hours.  Even after waking at 7, that's 2 hours, and for a lot of babies, 2 hours in the morning is a lot.  I often have to remind myself of this when I hear Kelsey cooing around 7:30, but I don't go in until 8 or so.  Sometimes, I have to put her down earlier because she technically woke earlier.  Anyway, several of us tried a suggestion of putting baby down 1 hour after wake up time, and it worked for me.  Granted this might be hard to figure for you if she's waking at 6, but has to eat at 7, but if she falls back asleep you should be able to manage.  I may have actually waited 1.5 hours, but I found that the more rested she is from the night's sleep, the easier it is for her to nap.  Then with the first nap being good, the second one is even better (2 hours sometimes).  So now for us, I get her around 8:15, and she's down for a nap at 10, if not earlier. 
Tarri, Kelsey also slept like a pro after shots and tylenol, and I thought I was in heaven.  You might want to try what I suggested above if lengthing A time doens't work.  I don't want to step on anyone's toes since I know that is what many BWs suggest, but it backfired on me, especially for the first nap.  If I keep her up to long, she can't sleep, and I'm left with an overtired, cranky baby, and the rest of the day is screwed up.
I'm glad to read your imput on having #2.  I know my personality, and what I am capable of.  Dh doesn't consider, I don't think, that I like to have control of my situations, and having a baby has thrown that out the window, and it's been a hard thing for me to adjust to.  I don't think I could handle a baby and a small toddler, especially like Debra said for the first 6 months.  If they started like Kelsey is now, I might could handle it.  Or if my mom retires and could help me full time (she's great, but back to work now), I'd do it.
Hope you all have a great day.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 17, 2005, 15:01:33 pm
Alright ladies. There seem to be so many newbies that I know I am getting confused. I saw this on the Oct.-Dec. Chat board and thought it would be neat to do. By no means do I want this to become a competition, but I thought it is a quick way to find out where everyone is at and get to know everyone just a bit better. Just copy and paste mine, then change to fill in for yourself - if you want too!  :D

Rolling - Yes, both ways
Crawling - No, but spins around on her belly
Breast or Formula - Formula, 5 bottles/day Every 3.5 hours
Solids - Twice a day around 8:00 and 5:30
Sleeping thru the night - Not yet, one or two night wakings, on a bad night 4-5  :shock:
Naps - morning (9), afternoon (Between 12-1), and catnap (4:30) Somedays they are 45 min, somedays 2 hours!
Sitting unassisted - for a few minutes, then loses her balance
Teeth - Two bottom center ones, getting the bottom eye teeth too  :shock:
Dreamfeed - Attempting to wean, but it has brought on a night feed instead
Morning wake up time - between 6-7
Bedtime - Between 7-7:45
Favorite toy - plain old link-a-doodle rings
Favorite Activity - Going for walks in the stroller and going to the grocery store - think she likes the lights they have there!
Lovie - Yes, receiving blanket
Excema - Yes, on her face
Back or Belly - Sleeps on her back, but has been rolling to her side lately
Swaddle - I wrap her arms for naps, but not at bedtime
Paci - Oh yes, but only at naptime and bedtime
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup she was 18'10 and 28 inches!
Eye/Hair color - Blue eyed Blondie, like her mommy!
Work or SAHM - Teacher, SAHM during the summer

Mmmm, that's all I can think of. I wanted to post some things that we all have been chatting about lately and a few for fun. Feel free to add things!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 17, 2005, 15:51:26 pm
Great idea, Christine.  Not only is this a way to keep up with each other, but it's also a way to support and celebrate each other.  Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Rolling - Sometimes tummy to back when I attempt tummy-time
Crawling - no
Breast or Formula - Formula, 4 bottles/day, 3.5-4 hours
Solids - with first 3 bottles, but not too much as to not interfere with  formula intake
Sleeping thru the night - Yes
Naps - 10 & 2, 1.5-2 hours, and I try for catnap around 6 but usually don't get it
Sitting unassisted - yes, but I stay by her
Teeth - none yet
Dreamfeed - no
Morning wake up time - between 8-8:30
Bedtime - Between 8-8:30
Favorite toy - a small bunny, anything that makes noise
Favorite Activity - watching the dog play, exersaucer
Lovie - not yet, but hope to introduce soon
Excema - no
Back or Belly - back
Swaddle - not since 3-4 months I think
Paci - loves her paci, uses close to nap time, during nap time, and during bed time wind down, but not night sleep, and while in car
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup she was 15lbs 12.5 oz and 25.5 inches
Eye/Hair color - blue eyes, brown hair
Work or SAHM - SAHM for as long as we can afford it  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 17, 2005, 15:59:25 pm
neat idea.  here's mine:

Rolling - not at all
Crawling - No
Breast or Formula - Formula, 4 bottles/day Every 4 hours or so
Solids - Twice a day around 8:30 and 5:30
Sleeping thru the night - yes
Naps - morning (9), afternoon (around 1:30); sometimes catnap if pm nap was bad, but usually he just pushes through til bedtime
 
Sitting unassisted - pretty much
Teeth - one bottom center; working on the second
Dreamfeed - no
Morning wake up time - about 7am
Bedtime - around 8pm
Favorite toy - anything that can be grabbed easily
Favorite Activity - bouncing in his exersaucer
Lovie - Yes, blanket, cow, & dog
Excema - Yes, on his face
Back or Belly - back
Swaddle - from the waist down
Paci - no
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup he was 19#3oz & 27.5"
Eye/Hair color - Blue eyes & brown hair
Work or SAHM - Teacher, SAHM during the summer
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 17, 2005, 16:01:35 pm
Heather - re #2... we decided we wanted ours close together - after jaina was born we also knew we only wanted to have 2!!  :lol:  knowing how i felt, i wanted to get everything done with at once; if i waited i figure jaina may have been an only.

i got pg 2 weeks after her 1st birthday, so they're 20 months apart.  it was a really rough 4 months or so, mainly cause he was much harder to sleep-train.  but i had help - #1 was still going to daycare every morning. 

that was our take on it anyhow
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 17, 2005, 16:05:06 pm
It has been a rough couple of days, Branwen, thanks for thinking of me.  And somehow I stopped getting the emails that a new post was up.  We're on a roller coaster - 2 so-so days, 1 good day, and 1 crappy day.  We had a pretty decent weekend, all things considered.  Monday was awesome; she was in a great mood and took really good naps.  Yesterday went downhill.  She was whiny and clingy, not happy unless I was holding her.  There were times when I literally could not set her down or she would scream.  Add in what we think is teething, and it makes for a fun day.  Today is starting out the same way.

But making matters worse, I have a deadline on a project today.  My boss/client called yesterday to discuss it, and it happened to be during one of her screaming fits.  And that's ok, part of my arrangement is that I am not available for calls unless scheduled in advance (this one wasn't, and he understood), but it makes me feel unprofessional nonetheless.

I am just feeling pulled in many different directions right now, and I am exhausted. 

But on to more fun topics... Maya's stats...

Rolling - Yes, both ways
Crawling - No
Breast or Formula - BF, 5x day roughly every 3 hours
Solids - Twice a day, morning (time varies) and when we have dinner
Sleeping thru the night - Yes (7:30pm - 6am)
Naps - morning (~8-8:30am), afternoon (~11:30am-noonish), and catnap (~3-3:30pm) Somedays they last 45 min, somedays 2 hours!
Sitting unassisted - for a few minutes, then loses her balance
Teeth - None
Dreamfeed - Never tried
Morning wake up time - 6ish lately
Bedtime - Between ~7:30pm
Favorite toy - the worm with the partially visible guts (long story, and yes, we have a somewhat warped sense of humor exacerbated by insufficient sleep)
Favorite Activity - Going for walks in the carrier or  stroller and going to Target (I think she likes the flourescent lighting and bright colors)
Lovie - No
Excema - No
Back or Belly - Sleeps on her back, and has a nice flat spot on her head to show for it!
Swaddle - No
Paci - Yes, but only in crib for nap/bedtime and only when fussy
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup she was 15lb 9oz and 26.5"
Eye/Hair color - Brown hair, brown eyes (fabulous lashes!)
Work or SAHM - SAHM working part-time from home

And I'd post a picture of our hometown, but I realized upon looking that we have none!  We've been here a year, but we've spent all of our time working on our house and taking care of Maya.  The closest I could come was our Xmas card photo from last year - dh and I (7.5 mos preg) in front of our house.  We need to get out more!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 17, 2005, 16:12:22 pm
Regarding baby #2, we're really anxious as dd has been pure heaven.  But we don't want another winter baby - we found we were a little confined to the house the first weeks (I was losing my mind).  So it's looking like it'll be when Kinlagh is 2 and a bit.  So April/May 2007 which means trying next summer.  I can't wait!

As for the list - great idea!!  I've also added a couple of new ones below

Rolling - Yes, both ways but better at back to belly
Crawling - Not yet, she too spins around on her belly like Leah
Breast or Formula - Formula, 4 bottles per day, every 4 hours
Solids - 3xday after daytime bottles including cereal, 5 veggies and 3 fruit so far
Sleeping thru the night - Yes, since 7 weeks with the dreamfeed
Naps - morning (9-10), afternoon (1-2), and catnap (4:30) Ditto on the "Somedays they are 45 min, somedays 2 hours" comment
Sitting unassisted - pretty much with the occasional tumble
Teeth - Two bottom center ones, and the top left eye tooth looking like it's next   
Dreamfeed - We dropped it 2 weeks ago
Morning wake up time - between 7-7:30 (get up 7:30-8 )
Bedtime - Between 7-7:45
Favorite toy - A plush banana is the toy of the day (and all teething rings)
Favorite Activity - Anything with daddy.  He's so funny!!  And her bathtime in her new blowup duck tub.
Lovie - Not really.  But she occasionally cuddles with a plush dog named Pokey
Excema - Yes, all over.  What a battle.
Back or Belly - We put her down on her back and she flips to her belly before we leave the room.  Often is on her side when we peek in on her.   
Swaddle - Not since 5 months old.
Paci - Her thumb
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup she was 18'8 and 27 inches
Eye/Hair color - Blue eyed brunette
Work or SAHM - Still on mat leave (us canadians get 1 year) but will return to work as a CRA (Pharmaceutical Research) in January 2006
Name & origin - Kinlagh (from MIL maiden name Kinslow) Emilie (my mom's middle name) Boudreau
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - January 19, 2005
Type - Textbook
First, second, third child of how many?? - First of hopefully 3
Ticklish? - VERY
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 17, 2005, 17:49:16 pm
GREAT idea!!  This is so interesting to read!

Rolling - Yes
Crawling - Yes
Breast or Formula - Breast, we change the frequency all the time lately because solids aren't established
Solids - Just started breakfast, will start lunch on Saturday
Sleeping thru the night - I wish!  :lol:   
Naps - morning (9:30 for 2 hrs +/-30 min), afternoon (Between 1:30-2:30 for 2 hrs +/-30 min), and catnap (5:00 for 45 min, but only on short nap days, trying to drop it)
Sitting unassisted - Just started this weekend for a few minutes
Teeth - Two bottom center ones, working on a third somewhere???
Dreamfeed - no, one night feed instead
Morning wake up time - between 6-7 -- but prefer it to be 7!!  :? 
Bedtime - 6:30 on short nap days, 7 on normal days
Favorite toy - a stuffed dog and a care bear
Favorite Activity - wrestling with the stuffed dog, playing peek-a-boo, singing/dancing with music
Lovie - Yes, blurp cloth
Excema - No
Back or Belly - side
Swaddle - lightly from waist down (never stays in it though)
Paci - thumb!!  :D   :D   :D
Weight/Height - at 6 month checkup, was 18'5 and 28 inches
Eye/Hair color - Eyes seem to be turning brown, auburn hair
Work or SAHM - SAHM
Name & origin - Asher Grant, First is Biblical, means "happy" in Hebrew (and very true to his name), Middle is family tradition, first born boy gets first or middle name Grant, Asher is the 4th generation
I'm a - boy
Birthday - January 31, 2005
Type - Mostly Textbook with equal amounts of touchy and spirited close behind!
First, second, third child of how many? - First of hopefully 2
Ticklish? - Yes, but loves the light relaxing tickles best
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 17, 2005, 18:18:55 pm
Quote from: julieb
Sleeping thru the night - I wish!  :lol:   

Me too!!!  :D  :D  :D  :D


There is a very fun post in the photo gallery called Quality Time. You are suppose to go there to post pictures of your LO's with thier dads. It's too cute to see all the dads with thier kids.  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 17, 2005, 18:57:47 pm
About # 2. I swing between wanting another baby and not wanting anymore. The latter moreso when he doesn't sleep :lol: But we'll probably start ttc-ing when Luka is 2 and a half.

Rolling - From tummy to back only
Crawling - Yes
Breast or Formula -  Breast, 5x a day
Solids -  twice a day, breakfast at 8.30am and supper at 6.30pm
Sleeping thru the night - I wish!! He was sleeping from 11pm till +/- 7am till he got ill, now we have one night waking
Naps - 3, sometimes two hours sometimes 30 minutes :roll:
Sitting unassisted - Yes
Teeth -  none
Dreamfeed - yup, at 11pm
Morning wake up time - between 7 and 8
Bedtime - between 7.30 and 8.30
Favorite toy - box of tissues :roll:  :lol:
Favorite Activity - bouncing up and down on whomever's lap lol!
Lovie - not yet, still trying to decide whether or not to intro one
Excema - Yup. But hasn't been triggered in ages yay!
Back or Belly - Belly
Swaddle - not since 2 months of age
Paci -nope, spat them out with look of disgust
Weight/Height -  at 22 weeks, he was 7.5kg and 68cm (16.5lb 26.7in)
Eye/Hair color - brown eyes, brown/reddish  :shock: hair
Work or SAHM -  work, but on mat leave till the end of this month :(
Name & origin - Luka (light, latin, chosen because he is our light) Keamogetswe (you have been welcomed, sesotho, becoz he is welcome) his names mean: Welcoming the Light
I'm a - BOY!
Birthday - 22 February 2005
Type -  Textbook/Touchy
First, second, third child of how many?? - first of maybe 2
Ticklish? - Extremely!  :lol:

great idea!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 17, 2005, 19:55:40 pm
Quote from: Leah's Mom
There is a very fun post in the photo gallery called Quality Time. You are suppose to go there to post pictures of your LO's with thier dads. It's too cute to see all the dads with thier kids.  :D

Thanks Christine.  Love pics of dads with the lo's.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 17, 2005, 20:06:39 pm
Quote from: thitz
Nikki, What do you do for A time?
Usually we have plenty of floor time - Early morning (7-8:30/9:00) she is usually playing and chatting with us on our bed while we get ready for the day. She has lots of soft toys with teething pieces that she loves and also a "gum stimulator" which works great. I usually put her in her car seat about 30 min before I leave for week as she is already frustrated from tummy time and being unable to go forwards to the toys (she goes backwards!!!) Midmorning again tummy time and sitting time - just exploring different toys with textures. Nothing really structred. I think the key is to have just 1 or 2 toys in front of her and then take them away before I introduce 2 other ones. (She does have her favourites!!)
hwcampbell: Thanx - it makes sense - will give it a try next week when I have some more energy - work is crazy!!

OOH the list was a BRILLIANT plan

Rolling - Yes, both ways - better at back to belly
Crawling - Not yet - spinning and goes backwards
Breast or Formula - Formula, 5 bottles per day, every 4 hours incl.dreamfeed
Solids - 1xday Rice cereal and tried carrots last night
Sleeping thru the night - Yes, since 4mths with the dreamfeed and after moved to her own room (I think I was oe of those hovering moms
Naps - morning (9-10), afternoon (1-2), and catnap (4:30) Ditto on the "Somedays they are 45 min, somedays 2 hours" comment
Sitting - still hunched over with minimum support
Teeth - NONE YET (oooh I am dreading this
Dreamfeed - Jip between 10:00 and 11:00 depending when mom goes down
Morning wake up time - between 6 and 7:00
Bedtime - 7
Favorite toy - Red ladybird with green teething wings
Favorite Activity - Bathtime  we have to move to the big tub as all the furniture in the room is soaked when done!! Also loves anything with music 
Lovie - Have a 15cm x 15cm fiddle blankie - not really cudling with it just holds it in her hand when she goes to sleep
Excema - Luckily not
Reflux - YES SILENT REFLUX!!
Back or Belly -back
Swaddle - Daytime naps light swaddle and evening her sleeping bag
Paci - Yes - this is next to go - AGAIN I am not looking forward to this!!
Weight/Height - at 5 months she is 7.8kg
Eye/Hair color - Dark browneyed brunette
Work or SAHM - YOU LUCKY CANADIANS with 1yr!! Part time (VERY flexable as I work for my father!! Yes I know - am I crazy!!) Marketing (local and international) and general management of wine farm
Name & origin - Lise Anne - my mom is Annelise so ... you figure it out!
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - March 4th, 2005
Type - SPIRITED
First, second, third child of how many?? - First
Ticklish? - YES

Again time for DF[/b]
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 17, 2005, 22:14:47 pm
I've gotta ask.  Is anyone else having problem with whining?  Kinlagh is in this phase where all she does is moans and whines - to the point that her face turns red.  Very seldom do we hear a full out cry unless she's hurt or really upset.  Otherwise it's this moaning.  Kind of just a mix of mmmmmmmm and yummmmmmm.  It's a really annoying sound when you hear it for hours.  So I'm wondering if anyone else is going/has gone through this and if it's just a phase that she'll grow out of. 

Also, have any of you started to use "NO" ?  I'm considering it for this whining, but not sure if they're too young for "discipline". 

Thoughts?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 17, 2005, 22:18:45 pm
Michelle - Leah doesn't whine, but I have started using no with her. She likes to grab ahold of my hair and pull. I don't use a strict NO! just yet. I always release her grasp and say no, no - mommy's hair. I don't know if it's too early, but I figure it can't hurt. Lately she lets go and plays with something else, so maybe she understands?  :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 17, 2005, 23:27:23 pm
can't stop and post much as we have been in a yucky place the past few days - teething sucks!!  yesterday she drank a total of a whoppoing 21 oz. and that was with me slipping in an extra bottle.  she is cryng and uncomfortable and it is driving me mad. she is not down for first nap yet and i have an 11am Dr appt i will have to wake her for.

had 6 mo shots yesterday - she screamed the place down
constipation has now turned to disgusting poo - up to 3 times a day (yellow, explosive and stinky!) - can this be linked to teeth?  or the 1 tsp of pears she had 3 hrs before it all started the other day (we are on day 3 of the poop) or the change in formula letting her finally clear out her system completely???
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 17, 2005, 23:47:05 pm
Michelle and Christine- Eirwen seems to love whining right now :roll: . It's awful.  I have a 3 limit rule, as she has also started dropping her toys off the side of wherever she is (highchair, floor chair, couch, etc).  So three tries of changing activity/toy/location and then it is nap time no matter what!  It's not really discipline but I am sort of saying "okay too much play time, time to calm down" at least that is what I hope I'm doing. :?   I have thought of the no word too (in regards to hair pulling/breast pinching) but have also heard/read that at this age any reaction will be considered a game and they are more likely to do it again to get the reaction.  I read that the part of their brain that can actually comprehend "no" isn't developed yet and the best to do is redirect but this can be so exhausting.  I say other words I guess "gentle", "soft", "careful".  Maybe I have an adversion to no? hmmmmm

Deborah- just had a feeling last time about you! Hang in there! (((hugs)))

Afraid to comment on having #2 :oops:  I've been mentioning but dh SOOO not ready to even talk about it!!!!

Here is the list!  Christine- this is such a great idea.  I have loved reading where everyone is!

Rolling - Nope (did once at 7 weeks on video never again :? )
Crawling - No, but has started pulling forward
Breast or Formula- Breast, every 3 to 3.5 hrs
Solids - 2x a day, oatmeal w/ fruit at breakfast, multigrain cereal and veggie at lunch. usually 7am and 1pm
Sleeping thru the night - Yes
Naps - morning (7:30-9), midday (11-12:30), and afternoon (2-4)
Sitting - yes, but will topple over
Teeth - nope
Dreamfeed - Never
Morning wake up time - between 5:30-6:15
Bedtime - 5:00-5:30 :shock: I know!!!
Favorite toy - Stacking rings by Fisher Price
Favorite Activity - Warehouse shopping (also likes lights!) and the park, could stare at moving tree leaves forever!!! :D
Lovie - Not yet but I think she wants our white cat to be it :wink:
Excema - Yes, but no outbreak since calendula cream! YAY!
Reflux - Nope but had overactive letdown bf issues early months- caused reflux like symptoms, thank god it's gone!!
Back or Belly -back but now rolls to side in middle of the night
Swaddle - Not since 8 wks
Paci - No- would always spit it out
Weight/Height - at 6 months was 17 lbs and 28 inches
Eye/Hair color - blonde and blue eyes
Work or SAHM - an adjusting SAHM, and seconding Heather as long as we can afford it!!
Name & origin - Eirwen, Welsh, means "Snow White" very fitting considering she was born during a "state of emergency" blizzard in MA. Oh, my name is from Welsh mythology Branwen- "goddess of love and beauty" (I know, I know), means White Raven.
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - January 22, 2005
Type - Touchy
First, second, third child of how many?? - First, um...thinking of more but unsure
Ticklish? - No not really- only on her hips where you fold the diaper tabs in.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 18, 2005, 00:47:08 am
Quote from: branwen
Name & origin - Oh, my name is from Welsh mythology Branwen- "goddess of love and beauty" (I know, I know), means White Raven.

i was wondering about that!  only time i have ever heard your name was in a book called "A Swiftly Tilting Planet"... wasn't sure if they just made up the Welsh connection!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 18, 2005, 01:01:27 am
Branwen, I just can't get over how Eirwen goes to bed so early even after that 3rd nap.  What a sleeping beauty!!!

I had this question I was just burning to get to the computer and ask, but of course my mommy brain has forgotten.  Anyway, I've thought of another.  I need a suggestion with possibly adjusting bedtime for Kelsey.  She has gone over 1 week with absolutely no catnap after 4 pm, even though I try to get her to take one when she's obviously tired around 6 pm.  Because of this, she is soooooo tired all evening, but I have her last bottle to give at 7:30, and that's only 3.5 hours from her bottle at 4.  Should I move it to 7 anyway and try to put her to bed earlier?  I'm just concerned about the spacing of feeds and whether or not she'd be hungry enough after only 3 hours.  She takes solids at 4 also, so should I drop that for now?  If so, when would I bring dinner back?  I would really rather give her a bottle at 4, then "dinner" at 5:30, but then she still has that last bottle to take and I don't want too many feedings bunched in together.  Am I making sense?

I use "no," but in a light-but-different-than-usual tone.  She recognizes that it is different but just looks at me.  I don't take it too seriously, but I know that I will be the authoritarian in our household.  I am even with the dog; dh is a softy.  :wink:

Debra, sorry that you've had some rough days.  Poor Olivia.  Surely the moms with teething babies can respond about the messy poop, but I have heard that teething does make for some bad diapers.  Or, like you said, she's cleaning out her system.   Hang in there, dear, we are here for you.

Oh, my question!!!!!  I remembered!!!!!!  :lol:
For those of you bottle feeding, do you know if it really matters what flow-rate nipple you use?  Kelsey is still on #1, with the hole slightly enlarged with a toothpick, because she has never seemed dissatisfied with it.  I'm afraid if I change to the fast flow for 6+ months that it will be too fast and she'll choke.  Any advice welcomed.  Also, did you know that Avent, at least, recommends replacing the nipples every 3 months?  Wonder if that's totally necessary or just a way to get you to spend money with them?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 18, 2005, 01:56:46 am
Quote from: hwcampbell
but I know that I will be the authoritarian in our household.  I am even with the dog; dh is a softy.  :wink:

Ohhh, totally the same here!  :D I'll be the mean mommy someday and DD will run to daddy everytime I discipline her!

Deb - Leah has been so constipated since we started solids. Now that she is teething she has has loose stools too. I know some say there is no relationship, but in my case I think there was/is. The two bottom teeth are thru, and I see the bottom left eye tooth is now coming. Someone told me, once they start it seems that the teeth just keep coming!  :twisted:

Branwen - the comment you made on the word no is very intersting! Are you a freaky book reader like I am?!?!? I think I've read every pregnancy/child raising book out there!

Heather. Leah has a bottle around 3:30 - 4, then solids at 5:30 and her last bottle at 7. She takes 6 oz at 3:30, and will still take 7-8 oz before bed. It's worth a try! I don't know what bottles you use, but the playtex stage 2 nipples are too fast for Leah. I use the playtex bottles, with Dr. Brown nipples and she still uses the ones for 3-6 months. I guess if they like what they're using and it's not causing problems, don't change!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on August 18, 2005, 02:37:21 am
I love all the pictures!

Heres some of us:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on August 18, 2005, 02:45:31 am
Okay, now that I finally figured out how to resize my pics to post here (thanks Branwen), how the heck do I put one in the left column under subject. Everyone else here has figured this out except for me!   :lol: 

I have to also tell you all that I am totally jealous of the naps most of you are getting.  We are struggling with 45 minutes, an hour if were lucky. I spoke to the whisperer lady today, first she costs a small fortune, second she isnt available until October.

She basically told me (very nicely) that we are "being played" by Matty, regarding the nap thing. of course the paci and the pat/sh are props now (which I knew).  But darned if I know how to get the little guy to sleep otherwise.  sigh

so here I am knowing that I am not quite getting the sleep thing but not knowing how to do it, and having to wait until October til the expert can show me.  If we decide to go ahead and spend the money.  I will try rereading the book again but I still dont think Im gonna get it.  She said since Matty is sitting now, its gonna be the P/U P/D thats gonna do it.  Im not crazy about that method!  sigh

Julie

PS - Since we have two Julie's can we refer to us as JulieB and JulieG maybe?  Me being the Julie G!

Also, JulieB, Matty and Asher have the same birthday!  1/31/05
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 18, 2005, 03:40:57 am
Christine -  i saw the same thread and thought of pinching the list idea - good call!!

Rolling - has rolled from front to back but does not do too often.. been trying to go the otjer way for a long time but it is still not happening
Crawling - not even close to going forward, but will move around a bit and sometimes backward!
Breast or Formula - Formula, 5 bottles/day Every 4 hours + DF at 10:30
Solids - recently started but not interested so just offering 1 x day to Familiarize her with the spoon, etc
Sleeping thru the night - yes 7:30 - 7am+/-  generally within 15 min either side
Naps - morning (9sh), afternoon (Between 12-1), and catnap (4:30) Somedays they are 45 min, somedays 1 1/2 hours!
Sitting unassisted - yes and doing really well surprisingly enough since only started trying a week or so ago
Teeth - none appeared yet but teething lots  :cry:   
Dreamfeed - 10:30pm lately taking only 3 oz though
Morning wake up time - between 6:45 - 7:30
Bedtime - Between 7-7:30
Favorite toy - exersaucer, tiny love monkey and elephant dangling toys on gym
Favorite Activity - looking at lights and people, watching her sister
Lovie - no
Excema - tiny bit on her face
Back or Belly - Sleeps on her back, but has been rolling to her side lately
Swaddle - dropped at 5 months, now in sleeping bag
Paci - no - never took it
Weight/Height - at 5 1/2 months she was 8.3kg and 65 cm = 18.2 lbs, 25.6 inches
Eye/Hair color - brown hair (with reddish tones) and hazel/brown eyes
Work or SAHM - SAHM
Name & origin - Olivia Ann - just liked Olivia an Ann was my grandmother's name
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - February 19, 2005
Type - Spirited / thinking Angel as well
First, second, third child of how many?? - Second of hopefully 2  :wink:
Ticklish? - yes - and what a giggler!!

filling this in made me think back to slam books in elementary school - did you guys do those as well - (favourite colour, crushes, favourite actor etc)

Tarri - congrats on the sleeping through - i hope it continues!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 18, 2005, 04:39:45 am
Michelle: OMG, I thought it was just Asher!  He still cries, but he seems to whine all day every day now!   :shock:   This is why I've wondered if he's cutting another tooth.  I don't really react to the whining (besides copying his moans at times!  :lol: ).  But I've started saying no and redirecting him when he gets into something he shouldn't (our shoes, the dog toys, cords, etc).

Deb: So sorry things have been rough!!  You're right about the poo, could be any number of things you mentioned!  My first guess was the teething, but maybe the formula change?  I hope things improve for you soon!
Oh, and Asher LOVED LOVED LOVED that tiny love monkey for the longest time!  He especially liked chewing on the hand.  I totally remember Slam Books as well!  Loved them!  :wink:

Branwen:
Eirwen pinches your breast?  Asher has started this a few days ago and it hurts!  I clipped his nails this morning but it still hurts!  He seems to only do it on one side.  It makes me wonder if he's trying to force the milk out faster (that's NOT the way to go about it!   :? ).   What is it?  Is it typical of them?  I've never heard of other babies doing it.

Heather: Don't know if this will help since I BF and Asher doesn't eat solids at dinner yet...his last two feeds are always closer together and he seems to eat the same.  He may eat as early as 3:00 or as late as 5:00, but I still end up feeding him again around 6:30-6:45 before bed to tank him up.  After being up a few hours of activity, he needs to be refueled again to make it longer at night.  And on days he skips his catnap and/or has short naps, I move his bedtime up to compensate, usually timing it no more than 2.5 hours after he woke up from the previous nap.  You don't what them to be too overtired when going to bed or they might have restless sleep.
Oh, and Asher still uses the #1 Dr. Brown's nipples when taking a bottle.  I have the next size, just never tried it.  It's not a big deal.  And I've read about the nipple replacement as well, I guess they deteriorate over time (like pacis).

JulieG: Too Funny!  Bosom Buddies!   :lol: 
Do you have the latest BW book?  I really think that one's the key with sleep!  And you're right, I think PU/PD will at least be worth a try for a few days.  It's not all bad!  It works easily for us.  Is Matty mobile yet?  I don't know if you've read any of my posts about the extra mobility and the sudden good naps -- that's what it took for Asher to drop the 45 min thing.  We still have them every now and then, but for the most part, he sleeps 1.5-2.5 hours!
Oh, and you can add pics and sigs through your profile -- click the "profile" link at the top of the page.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 18, 2005, 07:34:42 am
HI guys - had to come online to share a great success!  Olivia was not having any of her catnap (up since 2pm) so i gave up and got her up.  i figured while Alex was having her dinner i woudl try O. on some cereal (was out at usual solids attempt time) to stretch her until Dh gets home later. 

i was really patient and encouraging and had major success.  i did lots of praise, dd1 was clapping for her, and she actually ate about 4 spoons of the stuff.  what worked (besides giving her a spoon too) was putting the spoon on her lips and really encouraging her, she then opened her mouth and tried some.  i am not saying she loved it, but by the 3rd spoon she was actually opening the hatch before i tried to get in  :D   after bite number 4 or 5?  she was done and i did not push for another one.

great stuff!!! especially since it has been an exhausting couple of days - endless poop and tears and still no bloody teeth  :evil:    her sitting up is going amazing though and she is now sitting up under her gymini playing with the toys! and has not fallen over once today - she sat up in her stroller sitting forward at the front of the seat the entire doctor's appt. - she was impressed!

BTW - doctor cannot get me any allergy tests for Olivia and does not think i shoudl chase up a referral (for a 6 mo you need to go to the children's hospital and only a specialist can refer you so need to be in serious trouble...).  she said if it is a mild intolerance to milk than better to let her grow out of it.  if it is a dust thing or environmental, then she said i don't want to see what they woudl make me do to get her environment better... - firm believer in letting kids get stronger over time, etc I agreed to leave it for a couple of months and try to vacuum her room more than once a week  :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 18, 2005, 10:02:37 am
Deb: Great news on the solids!! Maybe Olivia likes eating when her sister is eating too? Is she totally in love with her big sister?

About the whining: Luka did it too. Since last week Friday we've been listening to mmmmmmmmm over and over again. I thought I was going to go insane. On Monday we went to the doctor, and it turns out he has hayfever and all that goes along with it, post nasal drip etc. Since he's been on his meds, no more whining!  :D
Now he 'talks' to you. You can have a full 5 minute conversation with him, 'Eeeeeeee' 'Oooooooh' 'Ahhhhhhh' and then a combo 'EeeeOoohAhhhOoooEeeee' LOL!!! It's so much fun!  :lol:

I've been saying 'No' to Luka when he bites me while bf. The first time he bit, I yelled out in pain and he got such a shock! Since, then I say "No" and take my breast out of his mouth. He smiles at this though :?

JulieG: you need to go into your profile and update your avatar for the photo to show underneath your name. Good luck! :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 18, 2005, 11:36:10 am
Schae - they are in love with each other!  it is great to watch.  olivia loves nothing as much as watching alex do ANYTHING and beams at her, willing her to look in her direction...  Alex gives Liv cuddles, "holds" her hand (she tries so hard to get Liv to hold it properly but Alex ends up holding Olivia's whole fist in her hand), she lays down under the gymini with her, plays along at the exersaucer and brings her toys (and takes them away  :roll: ).

so cute about the "talking"!  we are still in squealing stage with a few other sounds coming out.  Alex is at the other end - she is now trying to string words together - it is so cute.  she sometimes does a running commentary in a soft voice that i can hear in the other room  - she cracks me up every day - i do love them both so much.  now if only i could feel rested  8)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 18, 2005, 12:43:30 pm
JulieB- yes, Eirwen loves to pinch and dig her nails/fingers into me.  No biting as yet, but she does chop down on occassion.  I too have kept the nails as short as I can!!  I am not sure what she is doing? :? She also kneads them now, but this is different than the pinching.  I even have little finger bruises :( I pry her little fingers off and say "ouch, gentle" in a more serious voice but I am not sure she is even aware she is doing this.  I know it is not to "pull the milk down" because these days her feeds are so short that I feel pretty constantly full and could even self-express if I wanted to after our feeds.  I have heard that biting is common.  Also read a thread about breastfeeding the "older baby" and I guess they start becoming aware of the breast as an object and try to play with it as they do with everything else!  My friend's baby bit her quite a lot starting around 9/10 months and she would yell at him but he thought it was a game and would bite her nipple and pull away smiling/giggling at her to see if she would yell again.  She consulted her ped and he told her to stop reacting no matter how much it hurt.  I'm trying the best I can not to react but sometimes she pinches so hard my eyes water!!  The best solution I have come up with is to make sure I have a t-shirt on over the nursing attire I'm wearing (bra, tank, etc), and then I bunch it up in a thick roll and direct her hands to it as I'm putting her on.  It works about 75% of the time.  Have you heard of nursing necklaces?  I think I am going to try one- to try to solve this problem and also maybe her distraction issues now which have resulted in shorter feeds for us.  Wow, that was so long a response to that!

Christine- yes, fanatic book reader.  My childless friends now refer to me as the baby encyclopedia- I'm not sure if this is a good thing :oops: I'll post the name of the book if you're interested :wink:

Deb- go Olivia- on eating and sitting- so jealous of the sitting- Eirwen has totally regressed, or it is that her ability has coincided with the fact that she wants to touch absolutely everything and cannot grab, reach without falling.  Sorry about the poohs.  That sounds horrible!! I hope it gets better!  I would think more the formula change than teething but that's just me.  Best advice I know to give is to keep her hydrated while her body works out what is bothering it.

Heather- I would totally encourage you to move to an earlier bedtime, esp if she's struggling with the last hr or so.  When Eirwen dropped the catnap I felt like I had no choice but to go earlier (her bedtime had already been at 6:30). Regardless Eirwen and I have always clustered this feed.  (4 and then again at 5:30).  Eirwen will take another full feed from me and even take 6/7 oz from my dh if he does a bottle for bed. I would still offer solids though if that is going to eventually be her dinner.  Ideally or eventually for us I would like to drop our 4pm bf and have that be dinner and then the bf before bed, but she's not ready yet.  Maybe around 8 months we will start doing this.  I know that is solids before bf but I just feel that's going to work well for us- (up from afternoon nap- dinner- activity/bath- bf-bed)  BTW- We use medium flow Avent nipples #3.  Dh tried the fast flow for 6 month plus and it ended up all over her bib.  I have noticed that they get cruddy after awhile, even though we hardly use them- so I do get new ones after awhile.

I know I've forgotten people but Eirwen is whining! Sorry!  It's one of those days again...and of course we have a million apts!  Ugh...I told dh it was going to be one of those days
 :(
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 18, 2005, 13:01:35 pm
Heather, I'd be afraid to change your routine too much since Kelsey is sleeping thru the night all the time.  I looked at your stats and you only give 4 bottles total and no dreamfeed so maybe give a couple ounces less at your 4pm feeding so that she'll take a decent size last feed even though it's only been 3 hours.

Heather, as for flow rate.  With my dd it made a huge difference moving to the fast flow.  We had nightmare feedings for about a month with back arching and leg kicking and squirming and not drinking full feeds and then the first time I switched I never had this problem again.  It was a huge relief for both of us, I think she just didn't have the patience to sit and drink for 20 mins.  Now it takes her 10 mins max and she doesn't spit up anymore than she used to.

Us, well yesterday I tried to keep Emily up longer to see if her second nap would improve but no go on that front.  I did pu/pd and pat/sh for 1/2 an hour and she drifted for about 15 mins but that's it.  Maybe I'm too demanding.  Probably a lot of moms would be happy with a 1.5 hour morning nap and two 45 minute naps and a bedtime of 6:00pm.  What do you think?

Debra, I'm so glad Olivia liked some solids!!!  I know my dd responds really well to praise.  I thinks it's super cute that your dd1 clapped for dd2!

Us, Emily slept thru till 6:00am again!!!!!!  I sooooo hope this becomes a habit!!!!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 18, 2005, 13:14:59 pm
Debra - Sorry for the past couple of days.  Hope things get better soon.  As for poops being linked to teething, absolutely.  Kinlagh is usually pretty predictable in that area, but when she's teething, all rules are out the window.  She'll go days without and days with 3 poops.  So even though some of the books say they're unrelated, I completely believe they are.  I doubt 1 tsp of pears would affect her system that much.  I think the stress of teething and/or the change in formula will do more to her belly. 
Never heard of slam books???  But I do get emails every now and then asking to for info about me to send to friends.
Congrats on the solids and sitting!

Branwen - Thanks for the advice regarding "NO".  Makes sense.  But I gotta think of something cause that noise is driving me mad! :shock:

Heather - Kinlagh takes a bottle and solids at 4pm and then her last bottle at 7pm before a 7:15-7:30 bedtime.  So yes it's possible.  She takes the full 8oz every time, with no problem.  And as for the nipples, we've changed the nipples as Kinlagh grew.  She is now just transitioning to the #4 Avent nipples and has had a couple of little chokes.  If I were you, I wouldn't jump right to #4, I would slowly adjust up, or just keep enlarging the holes of your #1 nipples.  Advice I once received was if they choke often or if the milk spills out of their mouth while drinking, then it's too fast for them.  Otherwise, all is good.  HTH  And as for them being replaced every 3 months, that's probably a money making scheme.  I would go by the wear and tear on the nipples.  Just check them for cracks, etc. 

JulieG - I think there's help on getting the Avtar pic in the Picture Gallery forum.  If you can't find it, PM me and I'll give you a hand.  Too bad on the BW woman.  October seems like ages away when you're dealing with 45 min naps doesn't it.  Good luck!!

JulieB - Glad to hear i'm not the only one.  My mom saw her doing it (on webcam) and she thought it looked like definite teething moans.  I just hope it stops soon.

Schae - Interesting about the whining and hayfever.  As we discussed, Kinlagh is prone to allergies because of her excema so I wonder....



US - Thanks to all on your advice regarding the whining and No issues.  Not much else going on with us - I think that's a good thing.  Kinlagh showed her daddy last night what a good belly spinner she is, and that she can creep backwards.  She was so proud.   Plus the girls have the car today, so we can actually go out and visit the world.  Kinlagh (and mom) get pretty bored just sitting around the house all day playing the same games.  I'm not very creative when it comes to awake time. 

Have a great day everyone!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 18, 2005, 13:15:29 pm
Here's Emily's stats:

Cuteness- super cutie, cutie (I added this for fun)
Rolling - once from back to belly
Crawling - no movement here
Breast or Formula - Formula, 5 bottles/day Every 3-4 hours + DF from 8:30-10:00 
Solids - started her on carrots and rice cereal, 3 meals/day but hardly swallows any (secretly thinking solids at 5pm is helping her sleep thru night)
Sleeping thru the night - rarely but seems to be getting better (fingers crossed)
Naps - morning 1.5 hrs (8:30), catnap (12:30), and catnap (3:30)
Sitting unassisted - pretty good, but will fall over if reaches for something to side
Teeth - two eye teeth at 4.5 months and one bottom tooth at 5.5 mo. (advil works wonders, tylenol does nothing)
Dreamfeed - anywhere from 8:30-10:00 usually 6 oz min.
Morning wake up time - between 6:00-7:00
Bedtime - 6-6:30
Favorite toy - shiny wrapping paper
Favorite Activity - waking up, trying to play with dog 
Lovie - kind of, she has to have a blanket to cuddle for sleeping
Excema - all over, but worst on legs (calendula cream helping tons)
Reflux - yes, takes 0.8mL Zantac
Back or Belly - Sleeps on side and back
Swaddle - legs only at bedtime
Paci - no, never really tried
Sucks thumb - yes, when trying to sleep and between spoons of solids (I added this too) 
Weight/Height - 6months 17.5lbs (my doctor doesn't measure height until they stand up on their own)
Eye/Hair color - dark brown hair, brown eyes
Work or SAHM - SAHM hopefully this lasts, because dh has been looking for work for awhile now
Name & origin - Emily Robin, don't know origin, picked it because it sounds pretty
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - February 19, 2005
Type - Textbook and a touch of touchy
First, second, third child of how many?? - 1st of hopefully 2 
Ticklish? - not really
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on August 18, 2005, 14:34:21 pm
What was your lo's due date?

I keep looking at Olivia and Emily, their birthdate was my EDD with Luka.


Just a random question from me  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 18, 2005, 14:59:44 pm
Quote from: branwen
Christine- yes, fanatic book reader.  My childless friends now refer to me as the baby encyclopedia- I'm not sure if this is a good thing :oops: I'll post the name of the book if you're interested :wink:
 :(

Too funny! My friends and family think the same thing. Some days my mom looks at me like I'm crazy and asks where do you get all of this information!?!?! I'd love to hear the name of the book.

DD went to the sitters house for a day visit yesterday as she will start going daily August 30th. Guess what? She took a 1/2 hour morning nap and a 15 min afternoon nap.  :shock: Sitter said she just refused to go down. I know why - she's used to the quiet of our house and now she is afraid if she goes to sleep she is going to miss something with the other kids around. What to do!?!?!?

Schae - Leah's EDD was February 1st, but she decided to come late!

Also: I dont' know the origin of Leah, but we chose it because my father's name is Lee. Marie came in on our way to the hospital when DH suggested it - no relavance!

As for number two? DH always wanted them close together, to get it all over with at once. Who said that? Heather's DH? But after I had DD I had some major hemmoraging (sp?) they couldn't stop. I was transfered to a large hospital and had a few surgeries to get the bleeding to stop. Almost had to have a hysterectomy, but luckily not. I received 8 pints of blood!  :shock: So, I am not "allowed" to have another child until DD is 3. At the time, I honestly didnt' care. I told the nurses and doc that I am NEVER having children again! The things you say right after labor! But now I'm OK with it, would like them closer but at least I don't have to make the decision myself! BTW - I didn't get to hold DD for almost two days.  :( She was born at 6:30 am on a Friday and I got to see her the next night at 10:00 pm (Saturday)! She was not transfered with me and insurance wouldn't cover a transfer of her, so we had to wait till she could be released from Hospital #1, then DH had to drive to get her and bring her to hospital #2.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 18, 2005, 15:19:47 pm
We need to catch up...

Name & origin - Maya Carmel, Maya because we liked it and Carmel is dh's grandmother's name (I picked Carmel - of his whole family, she is the has been the nicest and most welcoming person, and it family gatherings, she is still sometimes the ONLY person who actually talks to me.)
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - January 13, 2005
Type - Touchy with a capital T, we like to call her "high maintenance"
First, second, third child of how many?? - 1st of what was to be 3 or 4, she is causing us to rethink that one, but we'll probably have at least one more
Ticklish? - when in the right mood

Michelle - Maya has been whining like you would not believe, but with her, it escalates into a full-blown scream/wail.  We are beginning to think she just wants attention.  It just gets worse as the day goes on.

Deb - Teething can cause loose stool.  It increases mucous and saliva production, much of which is swallowed.  I am told it is worse with the top teeth than the bottom, as the top teeth are so close to the sinuses.

I have a new question for everyone - are there any songs which your lo's particularly like?  Maya loves "If you're happy and you know it".  We've replaced "clap your hands", "stomp your feet", and the one I couldn't remember with "squeeze your cheeks", "tickle your feet", and "honk your nose".  It sends her into fits of giggles by the time we're done.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 18, 2005, 15:23:18 pm
And a photo...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 18, 2005, 15:33:00 pm
You gals are great.  Thanks for all the advice.  I'm going to try a 7:00 bottle and hopefully 7:30-7:45 bedtime.  I know that's not much earlier, but she's squirms with discomfort if I put her down too soon after eating.  So I'll just sit quietly with her for a bit after the bottle.  I hope she still sleeps till 8, but I'm sure she will.  I've definitely read that earlier bed time does not mean earlier wake time.  It might actually help with her morning nap that is starting to be a problem again.  Not to ramble on, but this morning I did our whole hoot and hollar, same time, same place, same routine.  Yet when I went to put her down, she full out screamed.  I did pu/pd for almost 25 minutes (with a quick break to regain my composure).  I started to feel as if she just wanted me to leave so she could get some rest.  Do you know what I mean?  I felt like I was actually preventing her from going to sleep.  Perhaps she just needed to let off some steam, but I always second guess the situation.   Anyway, I left, and she was out in 5 minutes.  That was 30 minutes ago, and she's still asleep.  :roll:  Other mornings, she's been fussing off and on for about the last hour of her nap, therefore, doesn't seem to be getting good rest.  This, in turn, is making the second nap a bit shorter.

Tarri, I believe that even if a baby has a good night time sleep pattern, they still need day time naps.  You are right to try and improve them.  You are doing what is best for Emily, just as we all are for our lo's.

Julie G, great pics of Matty.  What a cutie!

Michelle, Kelsey tends to whine when she's bored or tired.  It's kind of like a ummmmmmmm, ummmmmmm, and it gets louder until I tend to her.  Also, I'm sure you do get bored being home all day.  I am the type that likes to run around all day, which has definitely been hampered a bit.  I was getting out alot with Kelsey this summer, but since my mom is back at work, we don't as much.  Also, I had a car accident, luckily Kelsey was not with me, but I've been a bit timid of driving with her.  I know I'll have to get over it, but I would die if something hurt her.  Well, I didn't mean to go off about that.  Sorry.  :oops:

Debra, I love what you said about Olivia and Alex.  Those are the kind of moments that make me want to have more children.  I know that I do, but I just don't know when.

Christine, what a terrible l/d story.  I'm so glad everything turned out alright.  I thought it was awful that I didn't see Kelsey for 5 hours, but 2 days!  And about the naps at sitters...I'm sure she'll fall into a comfort zone soon.  Sometimes they are actually better for someone other than mom.  :?

Schae, Kelsey was due on Feb. 13.  I was induced early due to high blood pressure.

We found the name "Kelsey" in an issue of American Baby magazine, and we both loved it immediately.  "Rhea" is a respelling of dh's middle name Ray.  It was his dad and grandfather's first names.  Also, my grandmother's name was Rachel, and everyone called her "Ray".  Dh's first name is Kevin, so they have the same initials, at least until she gets married.   :cry:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 18, 2005, 15:35:45 pm
Deborah-CUTE photo!  I love it.
Kelsey likes "pat-a-cake" and Seaseme Street, but I can't always remember the words correctly so I make them up.  She also like "if you're happy...", but I think I'll use your version.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 18, 2005, 15:42:55 pm
Got this email with attached photo.  Thought it was funny.[/b]
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 18, 2005, 17:49:10 pm
Hi there ... Sjoe but this group really MOVES with the posts. I cannot even remember what I wanted to say to whom.

Actually I need some advice: A very good friend of me who's baby is 5mths old is now waking up crying a few times at night and then not going back to sleep. She was sick with Inner ear infection and I think this is where it started. I gave her the BW book and she has read it front to back. and no solution yet!!! she tried pu/pd but no success so far. Any miracle advice???

I have included a pic of lise with her 2 best friends (we moms met at ante-natal classes) vltr: Anne (2 weeks younger) Danielle (2 days older) and Lise ...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 18, 2005, 18:10:27 pm
We've had a couple good nights!  It's not a fluke I guess!  And I think wake-to-sleep is FINALLY starting to work!  He slept until 6:50 this morning  :D  (I actually think DH woke him up  :? ).  And pears are offically a hit -- he ate more that a tablespoon this morning!  DH wants to try bananas on Saturday.

Christine & Branwen: I'm a parenting book worm as well!!  I have some friends that have stopped looking up things for themselves and just ask me instead!  :roll:   My DH won't read anything about parenting -- not even the BW even though I asked him to for my birthday.  :?   Sometimes I just can't understand why people wouldn't want to learn all about their LOs and how they can help them be their best.   :lol:
And Christine, sorry to hear about your birth experience!  That must have been traumatic!  And to think, I was in a frenzy because I had to wait an hour after my c-section to hold Asher!  Makes me gain new perspective!  :shock:

Tarri: Asher sucks his thumb between bites as well!  Sometimes he bites the spoon so fast in order to get his thumb back in his mouth sooner and he hardly gets any of the food!   :roll:   My mom says I did the same thing as a baby!

Deborah:
Asher LOVES singing -- practically anything!  :lol:   We make up songs all the time (very basic lyrics though, and most about mundane tasks like brush your hair, poopie doopie, naked baby, wash our hands, etc).  His favorite still seems to be Winnie the Pooh though, this was the first song to really make him laugh.  Itsy Bitsy Spider with hand motions is always a big hit as well.  What a darling photo of Maya too!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 18, 2005, 18:16:12 pm
Nikki, how sweet!  That picture will always be special for both of you.  And I hope your friendships continue for many years to come.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 18, 2005, 18:17:47 pm
these pictures are adorable!  Deborah - Maya has some gorgeous eyes!  Heather - that biker babe is hysterical!

we need to catch up a little bit too:
Name & origin - Luke Samuel; they're both Hebrew names but i really just liked them, and with his middle name Samantha was one of my favorite girls names & my grandfather was Samuel. (i swear, i was NOT aiming to have all star wars babies!!!)
I'm a - Boy
Birthday - January 23, 2005
Type - Touchy
First, second, third child of how many?? - second of hopefully 2
Ticklish? - yes, especially along his back

Schae, i was due Feb. 15.  i figured he would be a little early (jaina was 2 weeks early) but almost a month was quite a surprise!

Heather - i think you only need to move to a faster nipple if she doesn't seem happy with her feeds.  jaina was on a newborn nipple until around this age i think, but luke is up to #3!  as far as replacing every 3 months... it's probably a good idea.  i think especially with ff & using them so much they get worn down.  but i'd probably look & see how worn they were.

Nikki - sometimes with an ear infection it hurts to lie down completely horizontal.  it may help to elevate the head of the mattress a bit (put some blankets underneath)

Debra - hope things get better.  sounds like they're improving a bit.

Tarri - hope Emily keeps sleeping all night for you.  you must be thrilled!

Christine - Luke went on a nap strike when he started at the sitters' too, but by the end of the week he was taking pretty good naps again.  every so often he has a bad morning, but for the most part he's napping well now.  i think it just takes some adjusting to the new place & new routine - and it's fun to drive mommy crazy!!!!!!

have a great day!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 18, 2005, 22:56:39 pm
Michelle - slam books were notebooks tween girls woudl create with a list of questions and it woudl get passed around a class / school and each girl woudl fill in a whole page with her answers for everyone to see. ?s were typical preteen stuff about crushes and favourite everything...

Christine - i woudl definitely chalk the napping at sitters up to adjusting to the change - once that becomes her "normal" location sghe will develop a  new routine.  you might find you have to adapt at home to accept that what she does Mon - Fri is her new "norm" - some kids nap BETTER at the sitters because other kids are doing it... so i say wait and see what develops when she is there for 2 weeks full time...

I cannot believe your l/d story.  that would be so upsetting.  and how cra*py of insurance companies that they woudl not transfer her  :evil:

Deborah - Olivia LOVES wheels on the bus.  it could be because it was alex's favourite for ages and we sang it in the house 50 times a day (felt like it at least) and she likes anything involving clapping -

Schae - due date was Feb 9 and i was induced on the 19th but they think my dates were wrong and she was not actually overdue!  who knows.  i did not have a scan for dating in the begining (only the 18 week one) because i had so many ultrasounds with alex (had cysts burst, bleeding, etc so had about 4-6 in the first 16 weeks with her)

Heather - hysterical tough guy photo

Julie b and Tarri - glad to hear your nights are going better

Us - is it possible to have a split in growth spurt?  i only ask because i thought we had ours at 5 1/2 mo or so and then she was eating less than ever before.  now yesterday she increased eating and today woke crying for food at 6:15!!! it has thrown me.  and she was tired after 1 hr 30 and i put her down around 8am (we are well "off track" today) and of course she went down fine but she just woke after 45 min and is squealing.  not due for food for ages and shoudl need more sleep than this!!  i am so confused!  she is still so inconsistent with eating and sleeping! it is hard to stay "on track"  :?   usually she is first going down for a nap at 9ish and now she is awake from 1st nap - what do i do with her for the rest of the time?  enough rambling!

still no tooth but still crying when i go to lay her down, 2 poops yesterday and chomping on toys and my finger.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 19, 2005, 00:06:28 am
Schae, Emily's due date was Feb.11.  They were going to induce me the next day.

Deborah, I like you song changes  :) I'm going to try it out tommorw.  Emily's favourite song is 'put your right hand in, take your right hand out...', I get big smiles after I turn around.  Very super cutie photo! :wink:

Heather, that's terrible that you had a car accident :cry: .  I know I would be unnerved too.  So glad that Kelsey wasn't there.  HUGS.

Branwen, about book reading...this evening I sat emily in her tube and gave her a simple toy and I sat in a chair close to her and read her long children stories.  She listened contentedly for 20 mins!  This is awesome becuase if I read to her while she's in my lap she won't even last 5 mins.

Debra, it sounds like lots of us are having nap problems these days.  I guess it's another adjustment period where they are close to staying awake longer and don't need so much nap time...just guessing.  I was thinking about you lo's bottle problems and you lo's weight and she must be quite high on the weight curve for her age, cause mine weighs less and is at the 80th percentile.  I think both our lo's drink less because somehow they're getting more fat from it that other lo's and this is their way of making sure they don't get too overweight.  Just my theory.

Us, I HATE removing boogers from Emily's nose :roll: .  If she isn't patient enough she starts crying and I feel like I've fought a battle by the time I'm done.  Uhg.  Today I bought a sippy cup.  I'm going to see if she'll drink water from it when we come in from a stroll.  The BW book says to start at 6 months, it seems early to me but I guess it's going to take a lot of practice.

Have a good night everyone!   8) Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 19, 2005, 00:24:48 am
Tarri - Olivia is huge.  she is at 95-97% for weight but not for height. i like your theory!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 19, 2005, 01:21:17 am
Tarri, I started a sippy cup for Asher at 5.5 months because he was showing such an interest in our dinner, but I didn't want to start solids.  We taught him how to use it the same way the BW suggests.  He got it in a couple of sessions and he's really good at it now.  He'll take water and EBM in it.  Now that we've started solids, I give him the sippy cup of water right along with his meal and he sips between bites.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 19, 2005, 02:41:26 am
Oh My God, this thread moves so fast now that I don't even get to read the posts!
 
Rolling - rolls well both ways but does more of back to belly!
Crawling - backwards and trying to crawl forward real hard
Feed: BF about 5 to 6 times and no DF
Solids - I try 3 times but she likes 2 times better(one at about 1 and other at 4). 3rd is  a whopping baby spoon!
Sleeping thru the night - for the past 2 weeks continuously and on and off before that
Naps - mostly 45 mins and 1.5 hrs when we are ready to go outside!Sitting unassisted -very well!
Teeth - one at 4.5 months(bottom right one) and the other at 5.5 months(bottom left one).
Morning wake up time - between 6.45 to 7.45(depends at what time she went to bed)
Bedtime - 8-9
Favorite toy - cloth book and toy telephone's tag
Favorite Activity - crawling backwards for now and bath
Lovie - none even though I try to thrust a stuffed doggie on her!
Excema - two patches behind her elbows(coin size, I am not sure if it's eczema though)
Reflux - no
Back or Belly - Sleeps on side and tummy now even though she used to be a back sleeper
Swaddle - never really liked to be swaddled
Paci - till she was 11 wks old and weaned completely now(I got some great paci weaning buddies due to that bad habit though)
Sucks thumb - yes, when trying to sleep and between spoons of solids Weight/Height - 6months 15 lbs and 11 oz and 27 inches
Eye/Hair color - black hair and eyes
Work or SAHM - SAHM
Name & origin - Diya (means lamp/light in an Indian language called hindi) DH wanted something short so that it could be pronounced easily by everyone
I'm a - Girl
Birthday - Jan 25, 2005
Type - Textbook/Angel and a touch of touchy
First, second, third child of how many?? - 1st of hopefully 2
Ticklish? - not really
Matty's looks so cute!
JulieB, Asher looks adorable. I think he resembles you! Is that what you hear from everyone? I haven't seen your DH though. I always wanted to see a recent pic of Asher everytime I saw your previous avatar.
Deborah! Maya looks precious!
Nikki! That is such an awesome pic!
I don't have any pic of the town where we live. I am originally from Madras, India. I have been living in the U.S for 7 years now.
Christine, JulieB andBranwen: My friends and family think I am going nuts about baby rearing and that this whole thing about textbook parenting is going to spoil the baby somehow. How do I explain to them that Diya started sleeping better and eating better after reading a lot of books. I am a FTM and didn't have a clue for the first 6 weeks about anything and my Mom doesn't live in this country. All my friends including a pediatrician told me not to let her sleep during the day so that she will sleep better in the night. My hands were full for the first 6 weeks:(
Christine! That must have been awful not to see the baby for 2 days. I just couldn't wait to see Diya from the time I conceived that I went for 4-5 ultrasounds and 1 3d ultrasound:)
Deb! So sorry about Liv's poo problems.  I think that it could be because of teething/formula change too! So sweet to hear about Alex's talking.
Heather, some days I have to let Diya cry so that lets off steam and relax in a different way for that particular nap. Sometimes, she moans/sings before she goes to sleep. She stopped doing that now though and I miss that.
Schae! my EDD was Jan 19 and she came 6 days late
Michelle! Diya used to whine every time she was about to hit a developmental milestone or when she was teething. Right now, she so wants to crawl forwards that she doesn't want to do anything else! I am not even trying to entertain her in any other form. I put her on her tummy and I keep crawling and rolling so that she will get it:) Also, I put some toy in front of her so that she can get it. She goes backwards and then starts whining so much.

Diya's favorite song right now is Johnny Johnny! She used to love Wheels on the bus, If you are happy and you know, Pat a cake.  She tries to find me if I hide under her high chair and also opens her mouth if I say open your mouth. She doesn't do it spontaneously every time though. Some times, I have to open my mouth before I start repeating it a thousand times so that she will remember the next time. I hope I don't sound like I am pushing her too much. Since she is going to be bilingual/trilingual, I am in a hurry to teach her some words!

Sorry about the long post!
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 19, 2005, 05:46:52 am
Happy 6 month birthday to Olivia and Emily - halfway to their first birthday already - i am in shock!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 19, 2005, 11:36:19 am
Happy 6 months to Olivia and Emily! YAY :D

Schae- my due date was supposed to be Feb 5th, but Eirwen was 2 weeks early.  It was kind of funny, she came the day after I left my job.  It was like- ok- you're not busy anymore here I come! :wink:  I knew she would be early though because I had the whole nesting thing going on BAD!

I love all the photos of everyone's babies.  They are adorable, stunning...I must say this is the most beautiful pack of babies I have ever seen! 

I'm posting some new ones of Eirwen in the photo gallery of our sweet potato experiences :wink:

Tarri- I love the book idea! That is wonderful!  I will try putting Eirwen in her jumper (she doesn't jump) and read to her there.  Maybe she will like it.  Now that I got quite a collection of little board books she enjoys them more I think, esp the ones with flaps.

Vidya- about the book reading- yes, I have gotten in trouble from my mom who thinks I over analyze everything- and thinks just about every method I use is insane.  She also doesn't believe in temperaments.  But I try to tell her that once I realized (and accepted) my dd was touchy I knew certain things about how to help her, and me!  She started sleeping better, not eating every hr and in general turned into a much happier baby.  Everyone comments on how "calm" Eirwen is.  I smile and thank them, because I know the truth 8) , and the reason she is calm is because honestly I have done so much work to try to understand her, protect her naps (as Tracy says), etc.  I think it has helped me a lot being a first time mom(my mom also lives far away, no family in MA)- so poohy on those who don't believe!!! :wink: I do get in trouble sometimes though because I want her to "match up" and when she doesn't I get a little worried.  Like this morning I read that if she wasn't rolling in either direction or putting weight on her legs I need to call my ped :shock: In this sense my researching can be trouble...

Christine- your birth experience makes me feel so lucky! I am so glad that you're ok and will be able to have more children! I would have died if I hadn't seen the baby for such a long time, evil insurance companies :evil: . 

Heather- I have those nap experiences with Eirwen.  Sometimes I just get out of there.  It's like I am making it worse with PUPD.  She has this horrid look of disgust when I try to "help her" now.  So I leave and honestly 2-3 min of crying and she's out.  I think sometimes her activities just leave her frustrated and tired.  Because she is so well sleep trained now I often don't use PUPD if she has issues in the first few minutes. 

JulieB & Sippy Cup- does Asher hold it himself? Can he drink from it without help?!  I have been giving Eirwen one for about a month now.  She drinks dilluted juice in it, but she cannot tip it up far enough, although she can hold it and suck from it alone. Which kind do you use- I have 4 different kinds and none seem to be particularly working for her...except maybe this cheap one I got at the grocery store, but that one is not spill proof so I always have to help her.  Ideas?

Us- teething day yesterday.  She was very grumpy and whiney and not nursing, but motrin helped a little I think- and distracting her with activities.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 19, 2005, 11:58:31 am
OMG - Olivia is having her 6 months growth spurt (again - see my post on bottle feeding board)!!!  She woke at 6:15 this morning starving for the first time EVER and she has wanted food every 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 hrs (and that was me holding her off) It worked in my favour at least for the solids as she wolfed down a ton today.  Unfortunately she is now up at 9:30 (2 + hours since dinner bottle)  and crying for food again!!! She has recently been eating an average feed of 130 ml (4 1/2 oz) This was our day today:

up 6:15 (never wakes this bloody early - and crying too)
6:30 190 ml (7 oz)
nap 8- 8:45
up 9:15 and really crying for food by 9:30-9:45
10am 240 ml (8 + oz)
nap 1115 - 1245
crying for food by 1:15pm
1:30 165 ml (6 oz) and a massive poo
nap 3-3:45pm
very hungry again by 4:20-4:30
4:45 140 ml (5 oz)  - did not offer a second drink figuring she would have solids and another bottle
5:20 good size bowl of rice cereal + several spoons of pears - she was not only opening wide for it, but leaning forward and reaching for bowl and spoon with mouth wide open  :lol:   i have never seen her this hungry in 6 months
6:45pm another 170 ml (6 oz)
9:30 crying & desperate for food - she just ate another 250ml (8+ oz)

total for today: 1155ml (42+ oz)

the question is - will she sleep through the night??? or am i faced with a night feed  - urg - i have had 2 glasses of red wine, a bit of dark chocolate and am watching Pulp Fiction - i was actually thinking of staying up with Dh tonight  :wink:  something will have to be sacrificed - i guess it will be my sleep.  I am so thrilled about the opportunity to work on the solids though.  you should have seen her - it was like a starving person in a cartoon faced with a giant piece of meat. she would have kept eating but i took her big spit up as a sign that she was being super-greedy!

is this what it was like for everyone else for this last growth spurt???
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 19, 2005, 13:26:12 pm
Schae - DD's due date was January 15th and born January 19th. 

Christine - Glad everything's ok after the complications during delivery.  I'm happy for you that you're still considering another.  Good for you!

Deborah - Kinlagh's whining gets worse as the day goes on too.  Yesterday we were out shopping and running errands and she didn't whine half as much so I'm thinking it may be a little boredom too.  Have to get her out of the house a little more.  We need a 2nd car!!!!!!
And as for Kinlagh's favorites songs...anything we can do a dance too.  Such as itsy bitsy spider and 5 little monkeys...  I love that she can anticipate the next move.  So cute.

Heather -
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I started to feel as if she just wanted me to leave so she could get some rest. Do you know what I mean?
  I completely know what you mean.  If I'm in the room, she follows my every move, wants to play, or wants to be picked up.  So I do the same and just leave the room which usually works.  I completely understand about not wanting anything to hurt our precious lo's.  Not as serious as your car accident - but there have been times when it was my fault that she got a little hurt (bug bite, bump on her head - minor stuff) and I felt sick to my stomach all day that I could have prevented it.  I hated that I was the cause of her pain (again very minor pain).  So I can't even (and don't want to) imagine anything serious happening to her.  CHANGE THE TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Nikki - gorgeous pic of the 3 friends.  Babies are so adorable aren't they?

Tarri - Ditto on the boogers.  Kinlagh hates when I go anywhere near her nose...which of course makes it harder and take longer than it actually should if she would just let me in there!!   :lol:   We started the sippy cup a short while ago too.  Every now and then she gets a sip, but mostly she chews on the tip.  But she's at least getting the concept of holding the cup and tilting it to her mouth.   She's much prefer to drink from our "adult" cups though - too cute.

US - Kinlagh is 7 months today!  Yay!  So it's picture day.  I go crazy to make sure we get at least 1 worthy of her baby book.  We still haven't had an obvious growth spurt - except that she's really eating more solids lately.  But no night wakings for a bottle.  Strange.  Had a great nap day yesterday - of course on the day that I had the car and was able to get out.  So we finally went out to the mall...at 4:00pm!  Oh well, can't complain when she's sleeping well right?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 19, 2005, 13:50:16 pm
Debra, I can't believe Olivia drank 42 oz!!!!  And solids too?!!!!  That definately sounds like a growth spurt to me.  How did your night go?  Emily is still drinking 30oz max but a few spoonfuls of solids.  Oh and when you mentioned that our babies are half way thru to their first birthday, I thought OH MY GOODNESS they are growing up tooooo fast.

Us, well we had two nights of sleeping thru and then last night she woke 3 times and I had to go in.  One time she had her head stuck against the crib slats.

PS I added some more pictures to the gallery:)
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 19, 2005, 14:57:06 pm
Happy 6 month birthday Olivia and Emily! and 7 months to Kinlagh! They grow so fast.

Thanks for all of the support about my aweful post-labor experience. I knew you guys would understand! Thanks also for the support about the sitter. I think all will go well eventually. We're going again today, but I am staying so I can chat with the sitter and we can talk about Leah.

Deb - 42 ounces!!! Wow Liv! I have no idea if she'll sleep the night. You would think with that many ounces during the day she should!

AHHHHHH! You know those kids you see at the grocery store sitting in the cart with snot running out of their noses and you're like EWWW! Well that's my child! I think we have our first cold. Last night she woke at 12:20 and a bunch of times till 2:00 and I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I finally took her out of her crib and she was so stuffed up she couldn't breath. So I had to suction her nose, which made her SOO mad, so then I had to smile and say Yay Mommy! Everytime I suctioned, well then she thought it was play time so she wouldn't go back to sleep.  :roll: Just a bad night! Now today we have tons of snot running from the nose. What do you all do during a cold to help them?

Sippy cups - any recommendations on brands? I though about asking the ladies in the Oct-Dec thread. Maybe I will, seeing they should have already tried them all!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 19, 2005, 15:08:15 pm
I am also a bit of a bookworm!!! and my need to know everything have gotten me into some hot water with my FIL (father inlaw??)

He usually cannot see Lise during the day due to work so he arrives at our house at 6:30pm and then does not understand why I take her away for her evening routine! also wants me to just come and leave her with him and my MIL when he has an afternoon off - I tried to explain seperation anxiety raised its ugly head and that I want to wait untill she understands that when I leave I am coming back ...

so he wanted to know where I get all this from!! and that I read to much. DEEP BREATHS!!! I think they maybe feel a little left out as my mom look after Lise while I work (my office is inside her house!!) Anyway

CONGRATULATIONS on the "Month-day's" to all that is celebrating. Time does fly!!
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I am so thrilled about the opportunity to work on the solids though
Gave lise some banana yesterday ... you should have seen the funny face - kinda scruched up her left eye while her tongue was working!! Maybe she has enough fuel now to keep her through the night! (Ishould think so!!) I will hold thumbs for the wine, pizza and movie - we have the same idea for tonight

Re Sippy cups - I would really like to know which you guys found useful. Lise holds hers (NUK-with plastic spout anyone tried the ones with silicone spouts??) and brings it to her mouth but the "leakproof" opening makes it darn near impossible for her to know that she must Suck and not just chew it as nothing comes out!!

till later
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 19, 2005, 16:29:23 pm
Ok, first things first, for those of you who were interested in our visit to the ped's office today about Maya's flat head.  We discussed it at her 6-mos visit and decided to give it another month hoping that she's start sitting up unassisted, thus taking the pressure off her head.  Well, that hasn't happened yet, so I started looking more closely at her and recent photos we've taken and realized that her face is no longer quite symmetrical.  You wouldn't notice it if you weren't looking for it, but dh are a little concerned that not only is it not getting better, it seems to be getting worse.  She favors that side of her head not matter what position you sit her down in, even when sitting upright in her stroller.

So, upon examination, it seems that the muscles in her neck are still tighter on the right than the left, making it difficult and prob uncomfortable for her to turn her head to the left.  I believe it's called torticollis.  The way to check for it is to lay her on her back and slowly turn her head from one side to the other.  She should have an equal range of motion in both directions.  Maya can touch her chin to her shoulder on the right, but not on the left.

They've referred us to a physical therapist for the muscle issue and to a neurologist for the flat head.  I'm sure the PT can help us out with some exercises, and I'm hoping they can make some suggestions as to how we can position her in her crib to minimize any additional pressure on the flat spot.  The ped also mentioned the banding, but there's no place local that does it.  The closest centers are in Miami and Atlanta, both an 8-hour drive from here.  We'll see what the neurologist has to say and take it from there.

Oh yeah, and it turns out they did the math wrong last time we were there (their scales are metric).  She only weighs 14lbs 7oz (she is 7 mos and 1 wk today), putting her back in the 10th %ile for weight.

I posted on the product recommendations page for sippy cup recommendations - haven't checked for any responses yet.  However, several friends have told me that it's easier to start with a faster flow one until they get the hang of it, then switch to a leakproof one.

Deb - During Maya's growth spurt, she was ravenous.  She did wake in the middle of the night to eat a few nights, but at the time she was still ebf with no solids, so it took a few days for supply to equal demand.  She also had a cold and was teething the same week, so things were rough all around.  Since you can increase her intake immediately, hopefully it'll be a little easier.

Michelle - I find that errands distract Maya well too.  We have the 2nd car, so we're mobile, but it is so hot here (96 today, v. humid, heat index well over 100), I hate to leave the house in the afternoon.  Doing something outside is out of the question, but even to go to the store or the library, we have to get in the car.

Christine - When Maya had her cold, what helped the most was propping up her mattress.  It doesn't have to be very high - 6" ought to be enough - just enough to help her head drain.  Before I did that, Maya was waking up every 45min because she was so stuffed up. 

Nikki - Is there any way FIL could participate in the bedtime routine?  Perhaps help with the bath (if you do a bath)?  Would he have any interest in helping?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 19, 2005, 17:13:26 pm
Vidya: Thanks!  Asher is a good combination of me & DH.  Most think he looks like me at first glance because he has my hair and complextion (my hair is dyed though!  :lol: ), but after seeing DH, they think he looks a lot like him as well -- especially his eyes since DH is part Japenese.  I'll post a photo of us when Asher was 8 weeks.
I have the same problem with my family and all my reading!  They think I made Asher into a high needs baby because of all my knowledge.  What they don't realize is that he's SOOO much better than he would be if I didn't have BW!  BW helped me understand and accept him so I could parent him better.  I've been on other forums of high needs children and there are SO many struggling parents because they haven't found a means to cope with their high needs child.  Or worse yet, they resort to CIO methods.  I've run into a few who let their LOs CIO for 1.5-2 hours and it still didn't work!   :(
What three languages will you teach Diya when you say she will be trilingual (I assume English, Hindi, and ?)?

Branwen: Asher does fairly well with the tipping, but he doesn't drink enough to get to the end and REALLY need to tip it.  I end up filling it at least half way so he doesn't have to work as hard.  We would let him struggle a bit, suck air, and then say "Tip it back" and tip the bottom with our finger while he was still holding it.  We used lots of praise as well.  I have two platex cups I use the most now, but they were harder for him in the beginning and I used this soft top cup from Wal-Mart that doesnt have those little rubber inserts (milk can go directly into the spout easier while just tipping a little).  Here's a video link to Asher with the soft top sippy cup in the beginning days... http://jusspress.com/day.php?userid=7422&currentDate=20050725&currentTime=175358

Christine:
  Sorry about the cold for poor Leah!  You could try a humidifier to try to keep her nose draining.  Suction it when she seems uncomfortable, especially before naps, even though she'll have a cow.  Use saline spray to help loosen the mucus a few mintues before.  And make sure she gets as much rest as possible (I'd let her sleep whenever it seems she's tired).  Good luck!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 19, 2005, 18:55:02 pm
I have an Avent sippy cup that I think Kelsey will really like, but I can't get her to hold the handles.  And when she does, she doesn't really bring it to her mouth or drops it when I try to help.  She doesn't show interest in holding her bottle either.  Any suggestions?
Cute pics, JulieB.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 19, 2005, 20:15:14 pm
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difficult and prob uncomfortable for her to turn her head to the left.
You could probably start "encouraging" her to turn her head to the left by positioning her cot so that when you come in the doorway she has to turn her head LEFT to be able to see you. Also encourage play where your sit on her left and hand objects from the left. (you have to be carefull that she doesn't cheat by turning her shoulders or body but turns her head - so probably involve alot of visuals!! I am sure the PT would give great recommendations - you might consider asking for an OT consult to to maybe give some more "play directed" exercises!!

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FIL could participate in the bedtime routine
I have had them over but they get so excited!!! and then don't leave when I start massage and the REAL winddown (which now is much longer with my spirited girl!!) I then feel like an terrible person asking them to leave while I finish with her - you see they see visits as playtime!! and don't realize how her temperament is influenced by HOW whe play. but I have decided to go with the flow (difficult for my Type A personlity!!) and we are going away with them in 2 weekends. 

I will look on the products page for recommendations on cups - I just don't even read anything else as it seems all the "experts" are right here!!!
Goodnight all
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 19, 2005, 23:14:09 pm
hi all - what a growth spurt we are having!!

after taking the 42 oz yesterday she woke at 220am crying desperate again and took another 190 ml / 7 oz (i had only prepared 200 thinking that would be enough) and then she was up at 6:25am ravenous again and took another 210 ml / 7 1/2 oz

she has just woken from 45 min sleep and is calling out to me - urg! i plan on giving her solids twice today and will probably be on a 3 hr bottle schedule!!!

CHristine - sorry to hear about the cold - that is what we are like much of the time with the nose suctioning.  actually kjust thinking about it now - it seems to be less this week - maybe the other formula was the problem and we will start seeing improvements now  :?

for the sippy cups - i swear by Tommee Tippee ones - will find out if they are available in the states and post a link. i am going out today to get Liv one because i don't think alex will part with her 2.  they barely leak unless she shakes them upside down, but are easy to suck. i have a collection of rejects in the cupboard  - these are fab!!

Deborah - sorry everything is so hard - i can really relate after what we went through about Liv's eating issues. i hope the PT helps.

have to dash - the eating machine is getting really iritated that i am not getting her up  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 19, 2005, 23:48:32 pm
Well, I've taken your advice the past 2 nights and moved Kelsey's last bottle to 7 pm.  I'm still leary about putting her down too soon because of her full tummy and it hurting her.  Last night I put her down at 7:45, but tonight it was 7:30 and she was almost snoring she was sooo tired.  I really miss the catnap now, because even with moving the last bottle and bedtime up, she is so cranky after 6 pm.  Tonight I put her in the tub just to let her play, but that only took up 25 minutes, and it's too hot and humid to go outside until after 8 pm.  But answer me this.  How come she will not go down at 6 to sleep, but will gladly fall asleep at 7:30?  Does she know that there is more food to be had or is her body on a 12 hour or so cycle that makes her aware of when bedtime is?  I'm so very curious about this.  If I were to get her to nap around 6, she'd wake up after 30 minutes.  But for bedtime, she won't make a peep, and most of the time I can put her down awake and she turns her head and goes to sleep.  I think Christine feels me on this.  :wink:
Urr, where's my manual :?:
Also, I tried a #2 Avent nipple once today.  I think there was more running down her throat onto her bib than got into her mouth.  So I guess the #1 slightly enlarged is better for her.  Interesting; the recommendations don't fit all babies.  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 20, 2005, 00:12:43 am
here is the link to a US site selling tommee tippee and at a fraction of the price we pay here!! unfortunately (or fortunately  - if they are good) they have redesigned the cup - not launched here yet - i might buy 2 of the ones i have already (the second link) since they have a fold down spout.

http://www.bestbabygear.com/totititicup.html

the ones i have
http://www.tommeetippee.com.au/p-feeding.asp?pk=1

i had not realised they had the "original" first sippy cup but it makes sense since their stuff is so good.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 20, 2005, 07:04:35 am
heather
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How come she will not go down at 6 to sleep, but will gladly fall asleep at 7:30? Does she know that there is more food to be had or is her body on a 12 hour or so cycle that makes her aware of when bedtime is? I'm so very curious about this
With Lise I find the same thing - what I think happens at bedtime is that we have a much better "routine" than we do for nap times - so she knows what is coming - and has time to really wind down!. At 6:30 we go to her room - turn on her sleeptime music - close the curtains - go for bath - massage - bottle - bed (she does not fall asleep during this bottle anymore) and then to bed awake. We have no problems!!
Going down for naps we now do everything the same except for bath-massage and bottle!! Someone recommended you do a "mock" diaper change and put in the paci and then to bed??? Have not tried this yet!

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I'm still leary about putting her down too soon because of her full tummy and it hurting her
Lise has reflux and goes down with full tummy and all and no problems ... I read somewhere that they don't swallow as much air at their last bottle and DF because they are so relaxed? Anyway - all kids are different!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 20, 2005, 15:34:35 pm
Heather- I have read that babies are very sensitive to the setting of their bio-clocks.  They get into a routine and will actually begin to feel tired at the times they are "supposed to" be.  It took a few nights to get Eirwen comfortable and accepting of her 5:30 bedtime, but now at 5pm she starts yawning and whining because she knows it is time for bed.  What worked for us is the expectation of what comes next, as she just ate at 3:30 or 4, she will still eat vigorously before bed because it is the routine.  It might take Kelsey a little time to settle into the earlier sleep but if she is anything like Eirwen with this eventually she will be so much happier in the evenings because of it.  Eirwen never liked the cat nap much and would always wake unhappy and we would go right into the bedtime routine.  I think she is much happier just doing it all at once and not having to be woken up again.   

Will she spit it up if she goes to sleep right after eating?  Is her reflux still a problem or have you seen improvements with age?  She might be ready now that she is older?

How is dh with feeding?  I have noticed that when I try to help Eirwen with stuff she will pull back and let mommy do it for her!  But with my dh she is all about doing it herself.  I think it might be because she is so used to me doing everything for her and daddy gives her a little more time to figure things out?  So I'm letting him give the cups/bottles most of the time and she will totally grab onto both...I'm not sure I understand this behavior completely but it seems to be helping her figure stuff like that out. 

JulieB- I am so going to try your sippy suggestions- maybe Eirwen just needs more encouragement!?  :D

Deb- does that sippy cup have a hard or soft spout?  I am still looking for one with a softer top.  Wow- a double growth spurt then!   :shock: I am jealous of your ability to measure oz's :wink: I think she's just trying to catch up with her big sister :wink:  Speaking of, I'm curious as to how they are together?

Deborah- hang in there- more ((hugs)) Keep us posted on everything.  I tried to see what you're talking about from the pics but I totally can't tell!  I did see those absolutely stunning lashes that touch her eyebrows though!  If it makes you feel a tiny bit better Eirwen will probably have to do PT too because she is 7 months on Monday and not rolling in either direction or putting weight on her legs.  It kills me because she is so not one of those babies in the car all the time, etc.  She's always up and about...but that was the deadline my ped gave me to bring her back for a check if she wasn't doing that stuff :(

US- teething day again- massive crying and short naps.  motrin is our friend 8)  and lots of cuddles and mama distracting baby with jumping jacks saying "hubbada-hubada" so she laughs!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 20, 2005, 16:55:10 pm
Tried bananas this morning and got the same ick face we got with the pears last week.   :lol:   I'm sure after a few days he'll start to love them as he did the pears.  We'll try again tomorrow!

I've been doing wake-to-sleep for about two weeks now.  I go in at 5:20 (his habitual waking is typically 6:20).  The last two nights, I've heard him wake at 5:16, so I didn't go in.  And what do you know?  He woke at 6:20 the last two mornings and hasn't gone back to sleep.   :x   Why is it that when I wake him, he'll sleep in a bit longer, but when he wakes himself, he won't sleep in?  I'm not sure if I should move the wake-to-sleep time up or back 20 min.   :?

I got an invitation for a weekend getaway celebration for one of my friend's birthday.  It's at the end of Sept when Asher will be 8 months.  I told DH I'd like to go and his eyes got wide  :shock:  and he mumbled "okay."   :lol:   He's never spent an entire DAY alone with Asher, let alone an entire WEEKEND.  I told him our mothers would gladly come over and help, but he'd be on his own for the night wakings.  Asher would be on three meals of solids by then.  Can I realistically expect him to sleep through the night by then?  My real concern is breastfeeding.  Do you think I'd risk accidentally weaning him by going three days without nursing?  I can pump, but my fear is he'll prefer the bottle by the end of it.  I've heard of babies trying to wean around 10 months, but I wonder what the risk is for 8 months.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 21, 2005, 00:06:37 am
I need help! :(   I don't know what to do with Emily's routine.  She's really cranky starting at 1:30pm and exhausted by 5:00 now and I have to work really hard to get her to stay up till 5:30pm.  And she's waking piles of times at night.  (I guess our two good nights were just cause of the shots).  Do you guys have any suggestions?  Here's what we've been doing the past 2 weeks. 

6:45 Eat, 1 oz solids & 6.5 oz bottle
8:30 Nap 1 (1.5-2 hours usually don't have any problems with this nap)
10:30 5 oz bottle (not usually very hungry here)
12:15 Nap 2 (1 hr max)
2:00 Eat, 1oz solids & 6.5 oz bottle
3:30 Nap 3 (45 mins max)
5:00 Eat, 1 oz solids & 4-6 oz bottle (sometimes won't eat cause too cranky)
5:45 Bed
8:15 DF 7 oz (I give it any time after 8:00, cause she wakes up crying hungry)
Wakes at least 5 times a night.

I used to be able to get a 2 hour nap from her in the afternoon but I've done pu/pd and pt/sh for 3 days now to see no improvement on the second nap.  Today she slept for 45 and then just gurgled and played with her feet for 45 mins. 

Help please.  Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 21, 2005, 00:47:29 am
Hi Tarri- so sorry this is happening! 5 times a night!  I honestly cannot imagine.  Eirwen woke last night but that is only because dh's stupid (single) friend decided he needed to talk at 11pm.

I want to help but first I have questions- what are the times she wakes at night?  Regular, sporatic?  Do you do PUPD at night?  What is your method?  Do you feed at night after the df?  I noticed that your day bottles are less oz's than your df bottle- have you tried increasing the day bottles at all- say to 7-8 oz and then cutting back the dream feed? 

You're also sooo close to the 4 hrs, if she wasn't hungry at 10:30 I would do the 11 and see how it goes.  I notice, like us, you still have 3 day naps.  Eirwen's morning naps have gone to 1 hr each instead of the usual longer ones.  I am pretty much certain she is trying to consolidate them into one nap but isn't quite sure how to do this without my help :? I'm also at a loss but am trying to extend her awake time so this happens, so far no luck...maybe Emily is trying to do this too?

Oh, Eirwen has always been fussing after 1pm too.  Emily is touchy yes?  I felt Tracy's temperament analysis was right on with the fact that afternoon's for touchy babies are bad.  Eirwen totally matches this and this is when we usually do our most "distracting" acitivites so she is occupied and less grumbly.  When we stay at home it is fuss fuss fuss for the afternoon until her long nap and then fuss until bed. :roll:
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 21, 2005, 01:55:42 am
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I felt Tracy's temperament analysis was right on with the fact that afternoon's for touchy babies are bad. 

I agree that Tracy has it right. Leah is a very spirited baby and her books say that spirited ones will resist morning naps, but will end up with a longer afternoon nap. We usually get 45 minutes in the morning, then a good 2 hour nap in the afternoon. Tracy really knows her stuff!  :D

As for the night wakings Tarri, I can't help becuase I am in the same boat!  :( We've had a cold here though, so I am assuming the stuffed up nose is why we have had so many wakings the past two nights. I hope this hasn't become a habit! Don't worry, you're not alone. What does Emily do when she wakes up? Leah usually just needs me to give her the paci - definitley need to get rid of that!

Thanks all for the expert advice with the cold. We have been suctioning, have the humidifier running and are trying to prop up her head tonight. Hope we have a better night tonight than they last few.  :roll:

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I told DH I'd like to go and his eyes got wide  and he mumbled "okay."  He's never spent an entire DAY alone with Asher, let alone an entire WEEKEND.

Ah, same here! You should definitley go!!!! I would kill for a weekend away, but I know how much you'll miss him. Can't help with the BF issue, Leah is FF. Way cute pictures lately! Your DH is very handsome! And so is Asher. Love the bannanas pic. Give it time, bannanas are Leah's fav food!

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But for bedtime, she won't make a peep, and most of the time I can put her down awake and she turns her head and goes to sleep. I think Christine feels me on this. 

 :D  :D  :D  Although not lately with the cold and teeth.... :?

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Urr, where's my manual  :?: 

If you find one, send it my way! I have all the parenting books ever printed, but it always seems like you can never find the answer!

Deb - I hope Olivia's growth spurt is over, for your sake! I don't know, Olivia is sounding more and more textbook to me lately!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 21, 2005, 03:24:17 am
Well - the growth spurt continues!! yesterday she took 43 oz + 2 solid meals (cereal and pears) but at least she made it to DF and slept through the night until she woke starving at 6:50am.  today she is barely holding a 3 hour EASY and it is strange b/c with a longer awake time a 3 hr EASY then means she has a 45 mn nap and is then too hungry to go through a second sleep cycle. i hope it ends soon though as it is exhausting during the day - since she is sleeping less and has shorter cycles it means we are back to doing a back-to-back schedule with the girls - i literally get Olivia up and then Alex goes down for her 1 nap, then when she gets up O. is back in the cot... absolutely no "Y" time -  i went 2 1/2 days without a shower  :oops:  again.

Branwen - the cup has a hard spout but is an easy "suck" - i found some of the soft spout ones require some serious sucking to get anything out of them...

don't be jealous of measuring how much they drink - i used to think that too - ignorance can be bliss sometimes.  it was the stress of knowing how much she "should" take that lead us into the bottle battles and force feeding - i wish now that i never knew what we were to "aim for".

The girls are great together - it helps that they both have "angel" temperaments (i keep meaning to update Liv's to read Spirited/ Angel/Textbook) - they are both very happy spirits so their is a lot of giggling and laughter in the house.  they will play together in Liv's cot if i put up the mobile, the activity center and a few soft toys. i can sit in the rocking chair and supervise for 10 min untiul alex asks to get out or starts jumping too much - olivia finds it hysterical that A. is jumping in her bed!!!

Julie b - i say go for it - and let Dh take care of Asher - i would suggest a couple of practice days where you head out in the morning and return for dinner time. I do think you would be running the risk of weaning - but that is up to you. if you were to return to a resistent feeder you could just keep encouraging him to feed and hope for the best  :?

Tarri - I am going to think about your situation when I have some time tonight to think - i am writing this during Olilvia's feed break quickly and need to get back to her.  will definitely comment this evening.

Christine - i do think Olivia is changing her temperament more and more to angel/textbook - i think she will always be spirited in the sense that she does not want to nap much but she goes down easily if we put her down in time, she is a very happy and easy personality, is sitting and eating according to textbook, etc  That is why is always wrote "spirited so far" as i htough most of our "problems" were more situational rather than temperament!

will write more later especially to Tarri.
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 21, 2005, 05:33:32 am
ok Tarri - i have thought about it a little and i only have 2 possibilities and i am not sure if you want to try them

First choice that i woudl probably do: if Emily is going to cut back on her afternoon sleeps i woudl suggest that you wake her from her first nap at 1hr 30 no matter what.  steal a half hour from there and hope it lands at her 2nd nap (3rd if necessary). 

Second option which you might have already tried but i can't go back through old posts right now: play around with her awake time a little. see if putting her down for 2nd nap 10 min earlier or later impacts on the length

also - when you say nap #3 is 45 min max is that her doing or are you waking her after 45 min thinking she won't sleep for bed if she has a big last nap?  i ask because often if Liv has not had good naps her 3rd one is her big one and she can easily sleep 1  1/2 hrs then to catch up.  i just make sure she is up by 5:30 so she will go down between 7-7:30.

i hope some of that helps and that she sleeps better. i figure she is waking at night because she goes down overtired - Liv always sleeps worse when she has skipped her catnap.
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 21, 2005, 07:13:47 am
Deborah - did you see this post - this woman in LA is going through the same thing with her dd.  you shoudl PM her and chat if it will help to speak to someone in the same boat.

http://www.babywhisperer.com/forum/everybody-listen-up-re-tummy-time-amp-torticollis-vt39309.html?highlight=
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Post by: Jaime on August 21, 2005, 12:41:49 pm
hi ladies... seems like i've been AWOL for quite awhile now.... work has just been insane & i'm only starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

we're doing well.  luke's tooth seems to have decided to wait.  wish the darn thing would just break through, but at least it doesn't seem to be causing him pain anymore.  i'm amazed at how in the past 2 weeks he just seems more human.  do you know what i mean?  suddenly he is so playful & interactive & just so much fun!  i can't believe it - my baby is getting all grown up.  (sniff!) 

Question:  does anyone else's lo still have very stiff movements with his/her arms?  luke seems to have the pincer grip down, but it seems hard for him lots of the time to get his arms to go where he wants them too.  also seems like he still has of bit of the startle reflex.  then he just gets very mad cause he can't grab onto what he wants.

Christine & Tarri - totally hadn't realized about the touchy babies sometimes having problems with the afternoon nap.  now it all makes sense!  is that in the new book?

Tarri - like Deb said, if you want her to have a better afternoon nap, i would get her up by 1.5 hrs in the morning.  secondly, i noticed at your routine that it hasn't been 2 hours since she woke up from her morning nap & you're trying to put her down for her second.  usually the awake time gets longer in the day as you go on.  so if she's up for almost 2 hours before her first nap, i'd try & extend her awake time so she's up a bit longer before her second nap.  it may also be that once you really get that afternoon nap straightened out she may not need the 3rd nap - and things smooth out at night.  also - the 4hr schedule may help - like branwen said.

Julieb - i'd say go for it.  pumping can be a pain, but it shouldn't affect your supply, since you are pretty well established at this point.  as far as asher weaning... i think it could go either way, but i'd probably lean towards he will just be very happy to see you when you get back. 

Deb - holy cow what an eater!!!  the effects over here aren't quite so severe.  luke's milk intake is about the same, but he now doesn't seem to mind cereal twice a day.  we're waiting on other foods until he gets better at the eating & the tongue reflex disappears a little more.  PS - what's the time difference between NY & Sydney??
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Post by: thitz on August 21, 2005, 13:44:13 pm
Branwen, Emily wakes all over the place at night.  She first wakes around 8:30 and I give the dream feed , then usually starting around 10:30 to 6:00 she'll wake several times.  I never give any additional night feeds.  What I do is, I see if she's caught on the crib at all or if the blankets not on her or check for wet diaper or pick up to see if a burp, then usually I just have to lay her down and put the blanket over her and she'll curl up and go to sleep with no fuss and I leave the room immediately.  I never hold her for more than 30 secs.

You have a good point about the df ounces.  I've been putting more in this bottle because I give it so early so she'll last the night or to make up for what she didn't eat at dinner cause she was too tired to drink properly.  Today I'm going to try to sneak in some more ounces and take away from the df.  Also, I like your suggestion to try and not give her 2nd feed till a full 4 hours after the first so maybe she'll take a full feed here.  Maybe this is why I can't extend the 2nd nap, cause she's too hungry from neat eating well the time before. Hmm.  Also I'd say Emily is textbook with a lot of touchy.

JulieB, I know how you feel about 'wake to sleep'.  We did it for 3 nights and it seemed to break the habit for a week and then last night she woke at 2am again.  What time does your ds normally wake for the morning?  I know I'll let my dd get up anywhere in the 6:30-7:15 window.  And yes I think you should be brave and go away for the weekend.  I'd be worried about weaning too, but at that point you're already weaning (kindof)because they're drinking less and eating more solids.

Christine, I'm so sorry that Leah has a cold.  That must feel horrible for you and her.

Debra, when you said you were going to think for me specifically in the evening it made my eyes swell with tears.  Thank you.  It's sooo nice to have your's and all the other mom's good thoughts.

I hate to wake her early from the 1st nap but it is definately something I can easily try (a lot easier than trying to extend a nap :wink: )  I'll force myself to try it this morning.  For awake time, I have been playing more with trying to extend it but maybe I shouldn't push so much.  Her nap#3 is 45 min. max cause she wakes up here, I haven't tried to extend this one for a long time.  Maybe I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Jamie, my dd doesn't always reach exactly where she wants.  Usually after she's been up for awhile and is getting tired or there's another toy close by and her hand catches that one by mistake.  I'm going to bite the bullet and wake Emily early from her first nap like you and Debra say.  I would so like to get to the point where she has two good naps and then drop the catnap.

Have a good day everyone.  And thanks for all your suggestions. :D  :D
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 21, 2005, 14:53:02 pm
Nikki - Thanks for the suggestions.  We've been favoring her left since she was about 3 mos old, and she does turn her head to the left on her own, it just turns out she still doesn't have the same range of motion in that direction.  I'm sure the PT will have some other ideas for us.  My sister is also a PT (though she's not local), so maybe she'll have some ideas too.

Deb - Would you believe I used Tommee Tippee cups as a kid!? (and I am 30!)

Heather - We are also trying to move Maya's bedtime up a little to address an early wake-up time.

JulieB - I'm not sure on the accidental weaning thing.  I long to go away for a long weekend, but pumping is such a hassle for me that it would never work.  Have you tried posting on the BF board?  At any rate, I think you should go, if only so the rest of us can live vicariously through you!  And I agree with Deb, some practice days would be a good idea.

Tarri - Maya hit a rough nap phase at about the same age.  What worked was slowly extending her awake time between naps 1 and 2 to two hours.  Her nap #2 is now back to 1.5 to 2 hours.
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Post by: branwen on August 21, 2005, 22:21:04 pm
Tarri-  Have you thought of a sleep sack for the blanket issue?  I heard these also prevent the baby from getting stuck in the slats (the feet at least because the blanket won't allow them to wedge.  I think it is also more difficult to turn in one too but they can still roll around and stuff.

Does she cry out really loud for you then at night?  I am just wondering what happens if you leave her to resettle alone- I mean, do you usually find a diaper, her stuck, etc? Or is it that she just wants to see you?  Trouble with separation anxiety lately?  I forget- does she have a luvie?  Maybe time to introduce?

For the naps- for us I think I am going to have to start PUPD again to extend because they have now all shortened (she's been doing 3, 45 min ones lately  :( ).  I want to teach her how to do two long naps (2 hrs each).  I know she is ready and it is just about me helping us both get there.

I would definitely try to get more in her during the day- esp if she is an active baby- she certainly sounds it :wink:  :D  I would also try increasing the solids...not that she has to eat more but it might help things if she won't take more at the bottle?

JulieB- me personally I'd be terrified of weaning, but that is only because I'm afraid Eirwen is already doing this :? She's been gorging on solids (she eats about 3 oz of cereal, 1.5 fruit, and 1.5 veggie per day now :shock: 15 min after bf) You might be ok though because bf is really well established for you guys!

Jaime- good to hear from you! Yes, in the new book she talks about how to avoid afternoon playdates, lots of activity, stimulation.  Eirwen and I do low key stuff in the afternoon where she can watch and that is enough :wink:   Also Eirwen doesn't have stiffness so much as frustration with her new abilities.  It's like in her mind she's putting something in her mouth but when it ends up in her eye she's upset- she's like- hey, that's not what I meant!  The most frustrating thing for her now which is sort of stiffness is she doesn't know how to let go.  She loves grabbing, etc but when she reaches for something else it's like she forgets she's clenching something else.  If Luke is touchy then he will be more sensitive to sound.  Eirwen still jumps when me or dh sneezes or coughs :wink:

US- as I mentioned to Tarri, we're in 45 min nap hell right now. :roll:
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 21, 2005, 22:57:21 pm
Jaime - we are in the same teething boat - it seems to have settled down for a while - alex was the same so i am expecting it to pop up around 7 mo...

the time diffreence from east coast USA  to sydney is 14 hours right now (you guys are behind us - so when i get on here at 9am it is 7pm the day before fo you)

tarri - my pleasure - thatis what we are all here for - sometimes it is better to wait and come back so i can give you guys undivided attention (usually doing this in 5 min snatches thorugh the day - i just keep it open all day long until bedtime)  I hope some of this helps you out and that things improve

Deborah - that is very funny!  they did say it has been around for 50 years i think!!

Branwen - we are with you rigjt now - yesterday was a 3 x 45 min nap day. I even tried to get in a 4th nap since the day started early and there was "time" but she was not having any of it so was up from 3pm - 7:15pm what a trooper!

us - besides the 45 min naps we are on day 4 of "the spurt" yesterday she fed at least every 3 hours and took 44oz + 2 solid meals including starting carrots. she did not seem to love the taste but thanks to the growth spurt she ate it like a champion (i mixed it with cereal and formula) did not make it to DF but slept through until starving at 6:30am!!!

also - alex has been sick with fevers and runny nose (and occassional chills) since Saturday midday.  it has been exhausting this weekend - between olivia regressing to 3 hr EASY and making solids too + alex crying and running to the dr. etc Dh and I don't feel we had a weekend at all - could not believe last night when i realised it was Sunday night  :evil:  where had the w'end gone?  and now i kept A home from daycare so i lost my one morning of "me time" - selfish?? i have left the Tv on this morning since there is little she wants to do anyway.
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Post by: thitz on August 22, 2005, 00:38:51 am
Debra, Branwen, Deborah and Jamie, Today we had a really good happy day :D, thanks to all your help!!  Not a single cranky crying session. :D  :D I wasn't able to extend nap#2 but I think cause it was delayed she was able to be happy until later in the day.  She hasn't gone to bed this late in 2 months. I hoooope tonight goes okay.  Also I managed to squeeze in 4 extra ounces thru the day so I'm going to give a smaller df tonight at 9pm latest with the aim of eventually eliminating.  She's still not swallowing much solids so this could be awhile still.  Here's what we did today.

7:15    carrot/bottle (7oz)
9:00    Nap 1 (1.5 hrs, I woke her up, she would have slept longer)
11:00  bottle (7 oz, carried her around outside to delay till 11:00)
1:00    Nap 2 (45 mins, did pt/sh and she tried to fall asleep again but just didn't seem tired enough, I got her up at 2:30 and got lots of big laughs from her, very happy baby)
2:45    oats/bottle (7oz)
3:45    Nap 3 (1 hr, I woke her up cause I knew she wouldn't want to be up till too late, I was right on this cause when I woke her I could tell she was mad cause she thought it was her bedtime.)
5:45    rice/bottle (7 oz)
6:45    Bed

Branwen, I haven't tried a sleep sack but maybe I should give it a go.  This morning at 5am she did a frantic cry and I went in and she was right up against the crib side with her entire arm stuck thru and couldn't move.  I'd say half the time she crys at night cause she's stuck on the slats and maybe the other half is seperation anxiety.  Sometimes she crys loud and I go in and as soon as she sees me she curls up on her side to go back to sleep.  Maybe it's a phase that she'll get over if I continue to respond to loud crying?  She does wake up several times and fusses and we don't respond (dh stays up late and hears her on the monitor).  It's like she never gets into a deep sleep. :?

Oh...she's waking for the df already at 8:40!!  Gotta go.  Tarri
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Post by: HeatherC on August 22, 2005, 01:20:18 am
Okay, who jinxed me on the whhhhiiiiiiinnnnnnning?  :x
There's no rhyme or reason for it that I can tell.  It's almost as if she's frustrated because she wants something but can't communicate it to us.  Oh my, I hope it doesn't last long.

Branwen, Kelsey squirms and wiggles when I sit down with her for bedtime if it's too soon after the last bottle.  It's not as bad anymore, and if she's exhuasted she won't do it all.  I've figured out how to hold her, though, so that it doesn't bother her and she's doing much better.  However, by putting her down so soon after the bottle, she is soaking her diaper and it's leaking on the crib sheet every morning.  Dh says to feed her even earlier or at the same time but keep her up later.  Sure, whatever, he's not the one home with an overtired baby.

Debra, I just can't get over Olivia's growth spurt.  I wonder how long it will last. 

Jaime-Kelsey is pretty good to reach for things and grab them, but her arms are still pretty stiff and she's flaps them like a bird.  It's always funny when I carry her around because she sticks her arm out in case something may brush her hand.  It's like she has an invisible cast making her arm stick out all the time.  And she still gets startled sometimes.  She has even started getting scared of things when I've never noticed this from her before.  Used to the dog would bark, she's jump, then laugh.  Now sometimes she pouts and I have to reassure. 

Tarri, you should definitely try the sleep sack, and probably a crib bumper.  I've found Kelsey with her head against the side of the crib, but the bumper kept it from hurting her.  Also, how long are you waiting before you go into her?  My SIL says that her lo still crys out in the night and she goes in and tends to him, but she doens't think he's really awake and never knows she's in there.  Sorry, but I don't have much to offer but {{{Hugs}}}.
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Post by: julieb on August 22, 2005, 05:13:21 am
I've decided not to go on the weekend trip.   :roll:   I posted the question on the BF forum and GraceKellysmom brought up a good point.
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Since you asked, I would never seperate myself from a nursing baby for more than a few hours (especially if you are usually SAHM) unless it is a medical emergency. If my baby isn't used to me being away, it could cause him stress, anxiety, fear to be away from me, let alone not have his nursing for 3 days.
I thought about my own feelings about missing him for three whole days, but I hadn't thought about his because he would be with DH.  Truthfully, "no one does it like mama," and while that may be okay for a few hours here and there (so I can come home a pick up the pieces), it would probably be quite stressful on him for 3 days.  I'm sure he'd get used to it by the end, but not without a lot of tears the first couple days.  He will also be 8 months old and at the peak of the separation anxiety period.  And lastly, he drank 11.5 oz in one sitting today and I just don't know if I can pump enough by then!   :shock:   :lol:   Being the touchy little guy he is, a weekend away isn't worth putting him through the stress and risking weaning.  I don't feel bad about missing it.  I was more excited about sleeping 8 hours in row!   :wink:   So this has inspired me to make a night for myself away at a hotel or my family's house while DH tends to Asher.  I think one night/morning would work out perfectly fine.   :D

As I mentioned earlier, Asher drank a 11.5 oz bottle today for my mom!  :shock:   The most he's taken before was 10 oz.  I was only able to pump 5 oz.  Makes me wonder if I'm starving him or something!  :wink:   I warned her about his whining before I left.  Of course, he woke early from his nap to poop (he loves to poop mid-nap...drives me nuts!).  Then he started to be whiney/cranky after an hour or so.  She said nothing made him happy so they tried to put him down for a nap (too early!).  He'd have none of that!  They got him up, but he still was crying at them.  They tried putting him down again without luck.  Then I came home.  My mom was quite frazzled as she told her tale.  She got to experience the pterodactyl cries/screams first hand!  I felt so validated!  See!  He's not a perfect happy little angel all the time after all!  I work hard to keep him in a good mood!  Just imagine what he'd be like if I DIDN'T find the BW!   :wink:   :lol:   :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: herbst99 on August 22, 2005, 10:28:15 am
Julie
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I've decided not to go on the weekend trip
I was in a similar situation with Lise (not the BF part as she is FF) and I ended up taking her with me for the w/e. I have also decided that an evening away will be much more enjoyable for me (as I would not stress so much about her missing me and the seperation anxiety thing) but I also felt that she should be intoduced to me being away more slowly than a sudden OK - I am gone for 3 days!!!

Tarri I agree with all re the sleep sack - Lise has been sleeping in there at night since I took away the wrapping at night. It really helps!! Also - I would maybe also continue to position baby head-to-foot (feet right at the bottom of the crib) this way there will be no bumping of the head at the top (for a little while at least - untill our babies can crawl to the top!!) I also have a cot bumper but some people don't like using them in fear of SIDS??!!

Us Lise is ALSO in this 45min nap think again!!! I thought we had it covered. Well I will think of you as I struggle to keep her asleep in her crib! She is now also REFUSING solids ... and we are basically only on rice cereal. She refused to eat anything on Sat and Sun. Hopefully tonight will be another story.
Apparantly you should not decrease milk untill solids are established?? Any advise anyone?
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 22, 2005, 11:20:33 am
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Also - I would maybe also continue to position baby head-to-foot (feet right at the bottom of the crib) this way there will be no bumping of the head at the top (for a little while at least - untill our babies can crawl to the top!!)   

FYI - Olivia sleeps in a sleeping bag and is also tucked in with a blanket and still wriggles to the top of the cot - she bum shuffles the whole way to the other end  :roll:
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Post by: branwen on August 22, 2005, 11:47:37 am
Eirwen is 7 months today!!! :D   Here is a picture of my angelpie!  Time is going by too fast!!!

I posted stuff on EASY forum for help- so that is what is up with us :? so lost right now.
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 22, 2005, 12:06:47 pm
Branwen - Happy 7 months to Eirwen!! she looks gorgeous in that photo.  I saw your post on EASY and have not got any answers for you siince we are in the same 3 x 45 boat (although today she did a 1hr 30 for the 3rd nap so at least she did catch up a bit and made it to bedtime)  now if we can only get the actual expected naps to be 1hr 30 i would be thrilled - even if it is just the 2nd nap that lenthens i would be thrilled (2 kids napping for 2 - 2hr 30 would make me a crazy happy lady  :lol: )

Us: Liv is still spurting and Dh is in giving her a feed now (woke at 9:30pm). I am off to bed and praying she does not wake before 630!! she has already had loads to eat and 2 solids again but who knows...

she is clapping two plastic rings together which is great and trying so hard to roll from back to front - she is getting closer but just can't do it.  Alex is still sick so i am starting to worry as there were various red spots on her legs and arms and i might need to head back to the doctor tomorrow.  a new kid came to playgroup a few weeks ago and brought chicken pox with him - so far only 1 little boy caught  it and alex had the vaccine a month or 2 ago, but  :roll:  it is the only thing i can think of - what else is fever + spots (they are not raised nor does she seem to be itchy...just cold/flu symptoms + mabe 6 red dots )
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 22, 2005, 12:09:16 pm
Tarri - Glad to hear you had a good day.  I hope today goes as well.

Heather - Welcome to the whining club!  I don't think dh really believed me.  Usually, by the time he gets home, she's gotten so cranky I am holding her.  So yesterday, I made sure to have my hands full about the time she usually starts winding up and left him to deal with her.  I think he has a newfound appreciation for why I am irritated when he comes home from work late without calling to let me know.

Nikki - You are right about not decreasing milk intake until solids are established, but Maya is bf, so she is kind of self-regulating in that respect.

JulieB - You need to do what works for you and Asher.  If a weekend away seems to much, though, an evening/overnight sounds like a good idea.

For the 45-minute nappers out there, THERE'S HOPE!  We are coming out of the 45-minute nap phase.  Maya was ready to make the transition to two longer naps.  As I started increasing her awake time little by little, her naps got longer, and we are now back to 1.5-2 hour naps.  However, it looks like we are going to need to move her bedtime up by 1/2 to 1 hour temporarily as she has been too tired for her bedtime feed for the last few nights.

We are still having an problem with morning wake-up, though.  She's waking up around 5am.  Dh has tried on numerous occasions to resettle her without a feeding, but with absolutely no luck.  She just gets frantic.  We're trying to hold her off until 6am, but this morning for example, she woke at 5am and talked quietly to herself until about 5:45am.  I went to her when she started getting worked up and fed her, but by the time she was done eating, she had been up for 1.5 hours and was tired again.  So I wound up putting her down for her AM nap at 6:30am!  Needless to say, that's going to throw our day off a bit, and today will probably wind up being a 3-nap day.  Any ideas?
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 22, 2005, 12:16:32 pm
quick before i shut down the computer - Deborah - IMO if she wakes at 5am hungry i would quickly feed her and put her back to bed and let her get up at 7/7:30 to start the day. see if it is a phase she is going through and let her grow out of it rather than encourage it by getting her up and into light and chats...

in my book any waking before 6 is a night feed.  dd1 went through a long period of waking at 5:45-6 when she was 5-7 months and it drove me crazy because it was so close to 6 but still so uncivilized.  with olivia i instituted it as a hard and fast rule - since alex sleeps til 6:30-7:30 i was not starting my day before 6:30 except for rare exceptions (like this growth spurt when she wakes instantly screaming from hunger at 6:15 i am not going to be pedantic) but you are probably better off in the long run making it a quick feed at 5am rather than listening to her escalate by 5:45 and then getting her up etc. thios way you can get back to sleep yourself for an hour or 2 HTH
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Post by: herbst99 on August 22, 2005, 12:28:58 pm
deborah Oooh no - I hope Lise does not start bum shuffle to the top! Well there goes my recommendation! Re early wake ups - I totally agree with rather treating it as a "night wake" and then getting her up at 7:00 if she is still sleeping regardless of how long she again slept to get her clock back on track.

Happy Monthday to EIRWEN :lol: She is so pretty!!

My DH had a sudden panic attack the other day when we started talking about boyfriends etc. I don't think he ever really thought about it! He was so cute!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 22, 2005, 13:00:13 pm
Oh my goodness.  I haven't received an email notification since Friday and I've missed 3 new pages.  Lots of catching up to do. 

Happy 7 months Eirwan!

Our whining has improved a little.  She had a few days in a row with none at all.  Wonder if she did have a little teething or something bothering her.  Or maybe having her dad home helped keep her more occupied.  Good luck Heather with Kelsey's whines.  I too hope it doesn't last long for your sake.  It's a frustrating sound isn't it?

Julie and others - You girls are making me nervous about leaving dd overnight.  DH and I have a trip planned to Miami in November.  Kinlagh will be 10 months by then and staying with her grandparents for 5 days.  Please someone let me know it'll be ok?!   :?  :?

Debra - Hope Alex is feeling better soon !!

Deborah -
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I am irritated when he comes home from work late without calling to let me know.
I know what you mean!!!  He doesn't do it often, but it just messes things up for dinner, etc when he doesn't let me know.  I think he's starting to get it now.

We too are starting to see the light regarding 45 min naps.  Think it's a combination of longer wake times, increased mobility and dropping the 5pm catnap.  It did take a couple of weeks to get rid of it, but I think Kinlagh is doing a little better because of it.  Matthew's Mommy in the nap forum really helped figure out my days/naps for me.  Might want to check with her.

Even though things are tough, we are already considering #2.  So anxious!!!  But want to get back to work for a few months before trying again.  Next spring/summer can't come soon enough.

For those of you back at work, I'd love to hear your thoughts and experiences on child care.  We are looking into care for Kinlagh for January as that's when I head back to work.  But we're debating between a daycare centre and a "nanny" to come care for her in our home.  I work from home so I'd be able to see her every day and spend time with her.  I love the thought of not missing any of her firsts!  But I also wonder if she needs the social aspect of a centre with other kids.  What have you done and what seems to work?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 22, 2005, 13:44:46 pm
Heather, so far emily isn't whining yet.  but she makes these monkey sounds like eh...eh...eh when she's fed up.

JulieB, that too bad about not going on the trip.  How far away was it supposed to be?  Could you go for one night, check in with dh at the end of the day and if things went badly return the next day?  I often think us mom's make up worries when maybe there wouldn't be any.  Just food for thought.

Nikki, sorry about your 45 mins nap problem.  I know how that feels.  I also heard about not reducing milk till solids established.  I know I can't with mine because half the solids she pushes out her mouth still.

Branwen, I'll have a look at your other posting.  And HAPPY 7 months to Eirwen!

Debra, that doesn't sound good about Alex.  Hopefully it's not something too bad.  I don't know anything about how chicken pox looks.  Are you still doing 3hr easy with Olivia cause of the growth spurt and then naps are off?  How about doing two eats in one cycle and keeping her naps at the proper times?  Cause we all definately need Y time.  Could dh or someone else help out even if it's just for an hour?


Deborah
, gosh I wonder when my lo's going to start whining.  Maybe you could try wake to sleep, go in around 4:30 and maybe this will reset her wake up time a little.  Maybe a bit more solids in the evening?

Us, we had three night wakings last night.  Two because she was soaked in pee.  I still see this as an improvement though.  I'm going to keep up with your suggestions again today.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 22, 2005, 15:11:26 pm
JulieB-just remember that a nursing baby is much more efficient than a pump at removing milk.  I could never get but 2 oz at the most from pumping both sides, but Kelsey always gained weight while bf.

Nikki, our ped told us that milk amount was not suppose to decrease until closer to 1 yr old.  However, I think it will regardless if he wants me to feed her a 4 oz jar of food at lunch.  Right now I give her about the equivalent of 1/3 of a 4 oz jar for each meal, and that seems to be enough to satisfy her and she still be able to drink 6-8 oz of formula.  But if I see she's having too much solids and drastically cutting back on milk, I simply cut back on solids next go round.

Branwen, is Eirwen already 7 months?  My how the time flies! (Sigh!!)

Kelsey is starting to develop more arm strength to hold her chest off the ground and tuck her legs up more onto her knees.  Maybe she'll crawl, except she's very quick to roll onto her back and is so proud about this (as is mama).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 22, 2005, 15:16:49 pm
Sorry ladies, no time to post, just logged in quick to check-in. Off to school to work on my room. Went in there on Friday and they shampooed my carpets and now all of my stuff is in the wrong place.  :evil: School starts next week.  :( to leave Leah  :D to see my kids and co-workers

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Kelsey is starting to develop more arm strength to hold her chest off the ground and tuck her legs up more onto her knees.  Maybe she'll crawl, except she's very quick to roll onto her back and is so proud about this (as is mama).

Just had to say Heather that Leah is doing the same thing. Just when I think she is going to push up on all fours she rolls over to her tummy! Maybe they'll crawl at the same time, they seem to do everything else together!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 22, 2005, 17:44:22 pm
Deb, I think Alex has the pox.  You'll know for sure if the bumps start weeping.  The vaccine isn't 100%, and they can still catch a mild form.  Fever and flu-like symptoms are the initial signs, followed by pox within another day or two.  The number of pox you see is directly proportionate to the amount of interaction she had with the infected boy.  Try to keep her interaction with Olivia to a minimum until you know for sure or see scabs.  Hope things calm down around there soon!  :D

Deborah, having same problems with early wake ups!  I'm about to throw in the towel.  I've been doing wake-to-sleep for two weeks with little to no success.  Asher was already awake when I creeped in at 5 am, but he stayed quiet.  He started crying at 5:30 and I was in and out of his room (more in than out  :roll: ) until I got him up at 7:00.  I just didn't want to budge and I kept hoping he'd be tired enough to go back to sleep.  I even changed his diaper.  No luck.  I don't think he was hungry because he ate around 2 AM and after I got him up, he contently watched his mobile for 10 minutes while I got stuff ready.  I don't know what else to try.  I've adjusted his bedtime back and forth, limiting activity and such.  I'm gonna have to re-read some of my books for more ideas.  Either that, or I'm going to have to start going to bed at 7 pm.  This is rough!   :shock:  Surprisingly, he did well this morning, though acting tired.  Not too cranky, ate his solids pretty well.  I ended up putting him down for a nap around 9 am, and he's still sleeping 1.5 hours later...
BTW, I also have tried feeding him if he wakes early and putting him back to bed.  Has never worked for me.  :(

Sleep sacks -- what brands do you all like to use?  Are they big enough to grow with or do I have to keep buying more?  I'm considering trying one.  I assume it's like a sleeveless sack?  What do you have them wear underneath in summer vs. winter (and what temp do you keep your house at?).

Michelle, I think Kinlagh would do much better at that age.  You also FF so it's not as much of a shock to have someone else give the bottles whereas Asher would have to deal with someone else AND the bottles since he is BF.

Tarri, thanks for the idea.  It's another state away, so it would be impossible to go for one night.  I'm okay with it though.  There will be plenty of times in the future!  :wink:

Jury is still out on the bananas, though he's eating a little more.  Still loves pears though!  I made it thicker this morning and though it took a bit for him to get used to the new texture, he was loving it by the end.  Here's a photo of his pear face!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 22, 2005, 17:50:08 pm
Forgot to ask, what are your LOs tired signs?  Asher has started tugging one ear (same side each time).  I'm trying to keep track when he does this.  Could this be tired?  Could this be an ear infection?  I heard it was rare for BF babies to get ear infections.  Thoughts?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on August 22, 2005, 18:49:02 pm
Hi there - well I nearly LOST it tonight. My FIL & MIL lives very close (10min) and his office is like 2min away. I have mentioned before how he does not believe in my style of parenting and always seem to be sort of upset when I take Lise to slot nto the evening routine. WELL tonigh the came by at 6:15 ... fine - he can play with an already overtired and worked up spirited girl ... so at 6:30 I very politely tell him that I will give her her paci and pick her onto my lap (he has been doing floortime with her!!) to help her start to wind down. And then ... He says well he thinks then he leave. And there I feel bad again. I then invited him to help with bath which he declined. At the door he says "goodbye lise - your mommy's book says its time to sleep but grandpa thinks you still want to play!! I was just sooo irritated. I camly tried to explain again about working herself into state and me struggling to get her to settle if we start evening routine to late. Thanx for listening - I just had to vent!!

 
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Post by: diyasmom on August 22, 2005, 19:28:42 pm
I don't know how all of you manage with your LOs in the weekends. I just feel like a bad mom to say this but I feel better after sharing it with fellow BWs. I feel like I have got a high maintenance baby only in the weekends! I think Diya has got used to the routine and our home that she is perfect when we are at home. I have been a slave to her naps and routine and also that we live in a small town adds to the problem. To go anywhere, it takes an hour and then between BF, solids and naps on the go leaves me with one cranky baby in my hands. Diya gets so distracted now when I BF, that it is impossible when DH is around. I tried it in Barnes and Noble yesterday and I gave up after some time. She cries like I am abusing her or something:( If I take her to a quiet place, then it is ok. Do any of you have the same problem? Also, how do you put your spirited ones to sleep on the go. She is just not able to shut her eyes even when she is sleepy if we are outside.
I remeber someone asking about soft spout sippy cups. I have the parent's choice nuby cups and they are awesome. It is spillproof and has  a soft spout.
Branwen, we are always battling 45 min naps. I am not much of a help. But if you just go with the flow and keep increasing the awake time since Eirwen knows to sleep on her own, it should be good. I loved her pic. Happy 7 month B'day to Eirwen. She is very pretty! I read about you taking her to the ped. One of my friends' DD has very little arm strength and I was talking about that to my ped and she recommended more floor time. I know Eirwen gets upset on her tummy time. Just play her favorite games at that level and keep her favorite toy a little far away so that she will reach for it on her tummy too.
Nikki: Hugs for you. I know exactly what you mean. As it is, it's very hard for us to deal with a spirited one and when people try to make them even more excited, it just makes you so angry. I am surprised that you are not getting upset. My fuse goes off very easily these days:)
Julieb: I bought a sleepsack for Diya when she was a newborn and I have been using it till now. I have 2 of them. One is a halo cotton sleepsack which I have been using in the summer and the other brand is carters fleece with long sleeves. The halo sleep sack size is medium I think. She is napping right now with it. I'll check and tell you later. BTW, your pics were very nice. I love Asher's high chair pics. Esp., the first bananas pic. You should take him to a ped if he is acting fussy and pulling his ears a lot of times. I took Diya when she was teething and pulling her ears. She was so cranky too at that time so it was hard to recognize the signs. The other language which I will be teaching Diya will be Telugu which is my mother tongue. It is another Indian language. We have too many languages there:)
Debra: I hope that Alex doesn't have chicken pox. How could someone bring a child with chicken pox to a playgroup :twisted:
Deborah: We are in the same boat as you with the early wakeups. When I don't give in and feed her, she is awake for a longer time and it worsens things. Try to feed her and out her down. Diya is able to take only 11 hrs of time between feedings in the night time. I also suspect that her night time sleep is reducing to just 11 hrs now. Yesterday, she missed one feeding and so she woke up for a nightfeeding and she slept for 12 hrs. She keeps me guessing:)
Michelle: I have no experience on this subject but just a thought. Since she is not going to interact with other babies much now, why don't you get a nanny until she is 18 months or so. This way you won't miss too many milestones and also Kinlagh will not be exposed to a lot of germs from daycare. Whenever she is ready for interaction, you can try daycare. She might have to get used to 2 changes according to this as opposed to trying just daycare or nanny!
Jaime: Diya was doing this until last month or so. She is doing it really good now. She still keeps her arms open all the time. Like someone else said, I have to be careful when I go through doorways. When she sees someone, those straight arms start flapping like a bird. It is so cute(I feel bad that she always wants to go to someone but realised that she wants to jump from one person to another like a monkey) Try putting some toys around Luke and let him get it! I put a lot of toys in DDs bathtub so that she can practice getting toys when they are moving.
Tarri: Glad that your day went well.
Christine: How is it going for you now that you are busy? Are u missing Leah?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 22, 2005, 19:29:33 pm
JulieB,

Diyas tired signs now are rubbing the eyes.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 22, 2005, 20:38:41 pm
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Forgot to ask, what are your LOs tired signs?  Asher has started tugging one ear (same side each time).  I'm trying to keep track when he does this.  Could this be tired?  Could this be an ear infection?  I heard it was rare for BF babies to get ear infections.  Thoughts?

Kinlagh tugs at her ears most when she's teething - can't remember exactly if it's always the same side.  She hasn't had an ear infection yet, but that's a sure sign as well.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 22, 2005, 20:52:04 pm
I have a few extra minutes so here's a little more...

Nikki - That would drive me insane.   :evil:  :evil:  Sorry, I can't help you, I'm super lucky and my MIL/FIL have told me what a great mother I am - even with the routine I keep.  Although I don't know what they say behind my back!!  I think your FIL should just be glad that Lise is a happy baby regardless of how you parent!  Good luck and we're always here to listen...{{{HUGS}}}

Vidya - Our outings are getting better.  We too found Kinlagh might be a little too addicted to the routine at home and she didn't know how to adjust in the "real world".  But I think it all happens in time.  But I wouldn't stop taking her out - I think the more she's exposed to different situations, the more she'll learn to deal with it.  We've gotten in the habit of taking her out every weekend.  Whether it's to the mall, running errands, or for a walk along the waterfront...  Just trying to get Kinlagh used to feeding, napping on the go.  (although, Kinlagh is FF and textbook so things might take a little longer with a BF spirited lo)

Question - Do you let your lo's watch TV or DVDs?  If not, what are your reasons, and if so, how often?  Just curious as Kinlagh loves relaxing in front of a DVD and it gives me a nice break to get supper ready.  (Funny what we call a break huh?)  I am just worried that there may be negative side effects I don't know of.  Have any of you avid readers come across anything about this?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 22, 2005, 21:29:57 pm
Nikki, I totally feel for you.  My dad and his wife have made such passive aggressive comments to me as well.  I finally had it and firmly explained what would happen if x, y, & z did not happen, etc.  Then I invited them to come to my house and spend a week getting DS down for naps, bed, and night wakings if they think they have a better way.  As they calmly explained that they were "only trying to help" and I "was just making it harder on myself," I continued to invite them over to do it themselves.  Of course they declined and so I said, until then, this is what works best for me and Asher and they can just keep their negative, discouraging comments to themselves.  I am usually not confrontational at all, so I think they got the message that I meant business and was tired of everyone's comments for the past 4-5 months.  :x  They are much more respectful now.  They still pout a little, but when I had to leave my Dad's house early on Saturday evening because Asher refused to take a nap over there (and I wasn't about to try to keep him up straight till bedtime!), he graciously kissed us both goodbye until next time.  I really hope your FIL can get himself in line, this is no way to cultivate a endearing relationship with his granddaughter!

Vidya, I cannot get Asher to sleep on the go.  Sometimes he'll fall asleep in the car seat if we're traveling far enough, but that's about it.  Have you looked into a carrier?  Asher used to fall asleep in the sling when I was grocery shopping.  We just don't go out much.  I do the best I can, getting errands done when DH is home on weekends during naps and after bedtime.  Also, if Diya is distracted while NIP, what about nursing in the car?  I hop in the front seat, turn on the car, A/C, and radio!

Michelle, the AAP recommends no TV for children under 2.  BW also recommends screening the TV usuage because images can stick in their heads and cause trouble sleeping.  I know a baby who cries at certain parts in the baby einstien videos!  :shock:   Asher LOVES the tv unfortunately.  I often watch while BFing and he'll watch while I'm burping him.  When he was younger and I was trying to wean the paci, he would cry every time I had to burp him and the TV was the only other thing to get him to stop.  Now that he's older and notices things around him, I get him to watch the kitties outside the window while burping.  :lol:  I've let him watch a baby einstien video once and I was disturbed by how fascinated he was.  He'd rather watch that than play with mama!  :(   I turned it off and haven't watched one since.  When I want to get some things done, I gate off the family room, put down his toys, and turn on some children's music and he goes to town.  I find that he responds to music just as well as the TV.  HTH!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 23, 2005, 00:20:12 am
JulieB, I just noticed last night that Emily was pulling at her left ear and mentioned it to dh :? .  My first thought was also an ear infection.  She pulled a little at it today aswell.  She had a doctor's apt. last week and she checked her ears so if it is an infection it's just started.  I'm going to check my baby book and see if she has any other symptoms.  I also thought maybe an ear infection cause when I dream feed, this is the ear she has on the mattress.

Nikki, I'd be furious with my in-laws too :evil: ! 

Branwen,  I'm really thinking that you too should increase A time.  This is turning out to be key for Emily.  I've ended up holding her a lot at the end but she is getting used to being awake longer (it helps that her teething has died down).  Also with nap1 and nap 2 correcting themselves I can see how in a month or two we'll be able to drop the last nap.

Us, we're on day 2 of extending awake time after nap1 and today I did 5 mins. pt/sh at 45 min. mark of nap2 and squeezed a total of 1hr 15 mins out.  I was amaaaaazed.  That's the first sucess with that nap in about a month.  Also I had to wake her from nap3.  I was so used to short naps, I didn't know what to do with myself and paced the kitchen for 15mins waiting to hear crys on the monitor.

Michelle, my dd watches TV about 10 mins. max a week.  Sometimes she's so overtired at the end of the day she has a hard time relaxing enough to drink her bottle so I'll switch the TV on and this distracts her enough that I can get more ounces in.  Is it possible to sit your dd in a chair in the kitchen to watch and 'help' you while you make dinner?  My dd loves to watch me chop veggies.  Or move the exersaucer into the kitchen and she can watch/play.  I heard it gives them ADD because they get used to the fast changing images.

EveryoneAbout Baby Einstein I saw a Canadian news show where they interviewed a spokeswoman from the company and the reporter asked her if they'd done any research on the affects of their videos on babies and all the spokeswoman had to say was that they know babies learn from the interaction with their parents while they watch the video together.  The reporter repeated the question and the spokeswoman said they were out of time :shock: .  Interesting...

Now you're all probably sick of me rambling on so, goodnight everyone!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 23, 2005, 00:23:06 am
Julie, what kind of bib is that Asher is wearing?  I'm not sure of the brand of sleep sack we have, maybe Halo??  The first one is up to 18 pounds and is fleece since we were using it more in the winter and spring.  Now she only sleeps in a footed sleeper with sleeves, but I plan to get the next size sleep sack for winter unless she starts using a blanket.  In the winter I would put her in a sleeper, either cotton or terry, and the sleepsack.  Sometimes during the day now, if she's just in a onesie, since it's summer and very hot and our air is running around 70-72, I put her in the sack so her feet won't get cold.  It is sleeveless.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 23, 2005, 00:45:03 am
Ahhhhhh..... IT happened!!!!!! I feel horrible, like such a bad mommy...    :(  :(  :(  Leah fell off the bed today.  :( She is just fine, but how dumb am I???????? I put her on our bed so I could put on my shoes. I had to turn my back to fetch them out of the closet. The worse thing is before I turned my back it actually crossed my mind that she could fall, but I had her in the middle. I had my back to her for like 10 seconds and then I hear the terrible thud. I turned around and saw her lying on her back on the floor. Oh my god, I was SO SCARED! I was crying with her. She had to roll back to belly twice to get off the bed, she never rolls this fast. She only cried for 30 seconds and was then totally fine. Happy, actually.  :shock: Just beware all!!!!! I know someone posted this earlier, but in the spur of the momment you make mistakes. DH had to tell me over and over again that this happens to lots of babies becuase I felt SO bad! Thanks for letting me tell you, I told DH I wasn't telling anyone but you guys. I feel so stupid!

Will post more later tonight, I have lots of responding to do to everyone. I just had to get this off my chest!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 23, 2005, 00:52:37 am
Tarri, I just read that ear pulling can also be a sign of teething or just that they discovered their ears!  LOL!  I'm not too worried anymore.

Quote from: thitz
  I heard it gives them ADD because they get used to the fast changing images.

 :lol:  ADD is a disorder from a chemical imbalance in the brain.  So no worries, TV will not give you ADD.  For ADD adults and children, it will, however, emphasize the symptoms because it does not teach or promote impulse control.  It's like giving crack to a druggie.  :wink:   BTW, my DH has adult ADHD.

On baby einstien, at the beginning of their old videos, they give you specific instructions to watch and play with your child during the video, it was not meant as a temporary parent break, although that's what they've become for millions of parents!  :lol:

And congrats on the naps, Tarri & Emily!!!  :D   :D   :D

Heather, it's a Pelican bib I got at USA Baby.  I was actually looking for a Baby Bjorn or Tommee Tippee bib but they didn't have any more.  Though the Pelican bib is the same shape (with an open pocket at the bottom to catch food), it is made of harder plastic.  The Baby Bjorn and Tommee Tippee's are soft rubber or something.  I'm gonna have to order them online.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 23, 2005, 01:19:56 am
Alright. I have time now!

Branwen - Happy birthday Eirwen! Wow 7 months already!?!?! The picture is to cute! She looks like such a little lady.

Deb - Keep us posted on the chicken pox.

Deborah - I usually feed at 5 am if Leah is frantic for it. Then she goes back to sleep and I feed her at her normal time 6:30, though she'll usually only take a couple ounces, it keeps us on schedule.

Michelle - I go back to work next week.  :(  Leah will be at an in-home day care. There are three other kids there. I thought about a nanny also. It would be nice because Leah could sleep in her own bed etc., but I also worry about her not being involved with other kids and worry about her becoming too dependent on home. For you, it may be nice because then you could see her all the time. BUT, it may also affect your work because if your like me, I would want to know what she is doing all the time! And if she is right there to go and check, you may do so more often than you should!

JulieB - We use the Halo sleep sack, size medium. There is lots of room to grow and it works great. Right now, it is hot so like Heather, DD sleep in footed PJ's, but in the fall/winter I will put her in footed PJ"s and the sack. In the winter we keep the temp at 68-70, summer is around 72. When Leah is tired, she rubs her eyes and buries her head in my shoulder - she doesn't tug on her ears, altough she did do this when she got her teeth?

Nikki - Vent anytime you want to. Just reading your stories makes my blood boil. My in-laws are the same way, but they just don't come over anymore. MIL works till 6:30 or 7 so she just doesn't see the point. At least she doesn't interupt us! Doesn't bother me or DH.

Vidya - I am missing my LO and school hasn't even started yet! Leah is very hard to get to sleep on the go. She will sleep in the car though, so I plan trips around that. Sleep there, two hours there, sleep home etc.

Michelle - Leah won't watch TV, not interested. I tried a baby Einstein video once and she looked at it for a few seconds and then went on with playing with something else. I guess that's good!

US - Besides our bed incident today..... We are going camping Thursday through Sunday! So I will be missing for awhile. I know I am going to have tons to catch up on when I get back!  :wink: Anyone have any advice for taking the LO camping? We go all the time, but this is the first time since we have the baby!!!! Anyone else gone camping with thier LO?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 23, 2005, 03:11:34 am
ok - have got both kids down for midday nap within 10 min of each other and am eating a sandwich, writing here and then jumping in the shower!!
Nikki -
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My DH had a sudden panic attack the other day when we started talking about boyfriends etc. I don't think he ever really thought about it! He was so cute!

Dh and i discussed this many times before and now that we have 2 girls we are joking that they are not allowed to date until they are 20!! we are so not looking forward to the hormones and the attitudes that will prbably be crazy by the time they hot their teens (just look at how 9 year old girls act these days - what will it be like in 10-15 years time?)

also - that comment your FIL made is so passive agressive i cannot believe it - it is something my grandmother would say although she is not so subtle  :evil:

Michelle - I personally would jump at the chance to leave the kids with a family member.  we are rying to convince my mom to come back out in October (when Liv is 8 mo) so we can get away.  we would enlist the couple who looked after alex when liv was born and that way with 2-3 adults they shoudl manage for 48 hours!!  I htink he kids are fine - it is prov=bably easier to be apart for 2 days at that age rather than the constant coming and going... and as long as the carer is familiar i don't think there are any problems (it is more about reluctance to go to strangers...)

we do let Olivia watch TV/DVDs mostly because alex already has them on and also becuase she really likes it.  she gets really calm and relaxed watching most of the time.  We have Baby E, Bear in the big blue house (great music) and wiggles or spot most of the time.

i am personally a huge fan of BE videos. i watched them WITH alex from 6-8mo and always did it as an activity together (never on her own) and would just do a commentary with it - telling her what things were, descdribing things, as she got older i asked her questions.  she had/has an enormous vocab thanks to this and all the books we read.  an example: my mom brought out the Baby Monet one recently - all about the seasons - alex watched it 2-3 times before she suddenly had a new range of vocabulary that  i had not had good enough graphics/books to teach her.  now 1 month later she walks around describing the seasons, weather, associates green with Spring, etc and when i say it is raining she wonders aloud if there is a rainbow!

Tarri - we are doing whatever EASY Liv needs in any part of the day. basically during this spurt she has had many cycles where she  has gotten tired by 1hr 30 at the latest (rather than 1h 45 - 2h 10 that we had built up to).  so i put her down and then when she gets to 45 min she comes into the light sleep and realises she is hungry and starts crying out for food. so sometimes it is 3 - 3.5 hrs between feeds but based on hunger not nap times.  I hope things continue to improve for you - is she wetting her nappy so much because of taking more food???.

Julie b - sorry things are going crazy and that wake to sleep has not worked for you.  can't think of a suggestion just yet  :?

we use gro bags (sleeveless) for alex and are going to switch to them for liv soon.  inthe meantime i have been using a cheaper one we had fom earlier with alex (has arms, made of fleece/cotton).  the gro bags are quite long so they last for an entire season or 2 The cheaper ones i have are truer to the baby's size (so this winter bag is just for this winter etc)

Tired signs now - rubbing eyes seems to be the big one, twisting to the side when lying down (subtle difference that only i can see so far), i am starting to see some reduction in her coordination now that she is sitting up and there is something to really watch (ie - playing well with a toy and then starts droppping it more or weakly playing with it)

Vidya - olivia still needs to be fed in the quiet - shge cannot handle any distractions.  even her own room distracts her - she twists to look at the wall or up at the light... It has also been a while since oi took her out apart from awake time, but we recently had some outings and she slept finein the pram as long as i got her out of the car before she fell asleep  i always completely cover the pram so she cannot see out and then i pray that the motion will do the trick - usually works fine!

Christie - don't feel too bad about her falling off the bed - i did it twice when alex was young  :oops:  and when she was 1 yo my father in law was supposed to watch her for 2 min while my MIL and i left the room - he turned his back completely and she smashed backwards on the ground - he said he thought we were watching her  :evil:

no advice on the camping - let us know how it goes though as i have agreed to go when the weather warms up (i never went with alex - kept telling Dh it was too hard) i am trying to be more relaxed this time and give it a chance before i dismiss the idea.

US - alex's spots are less today - they were just red not raised or anything.

olivia has (a probable) burst eardrum!!! i found dried blood all in her left ear this morning. the audiologist was on my to do list for days  :oops:  I called andshe is booked in for the 8th - he said it is actually a good thing as it is the body's way of healing and not to freak myself out.

olivia is waking and crying must dash - no shower  :oops:  and no time to re-read all of this -sorry for any yucky writing
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Post by: julieb on August 23, 2005, 04:12:16 am
Christine, never fear!  My brother rolled off the changing table at 9 months and landed on a wooden floor on his head.  He was Valdictorian, double major in college, and is now the CIO of a major bank making 6 figures!  Now, his sense of humor is a little odd, but other than that he's perfectly normal!   :wink:

As for my own stupid mommy mistakes...I once forgot to buckle Asher up in the car seat on my way to a store.  I actually had to pull over on the freeway.  The poor guy was all slumped over!  :oops:   He also rolled off the changing table, feet over his head.  I was changing the diaper pail below and something made me look up, I actually caught him mid-air, by his shoulders, completely upside down!  :shock:  That was a close call!  :oops:  You're not alone!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 23, 2005, 11:45:44 am
Quote from: julieb
I once forgot to buckle Asher up in the car seat
Me too!  I felt sick the rest of the day when I found out.  What a terrible feeling huh?

Got another question for you ladies.
I will be travelling by plane with Kinlagh when she is almost 10 months (in November). I'm wondering what you think would be the "better" time to fly? It's only a 2 hour flight but with the hour waiting for the plane, and the hour waiting for bags and ride home, we're looking at 3-4 hours awake and/or cranky.   Our flight options are 7am, 10:30am, 6pm & 8pm. Thanks again for your suggestions!!!

And as for the TV/DVDs, I've heard of the ADD thing, but I'm happy to hear it's an unlikely link.  Kinlagh doesn't watch TV (I too found her disturbingly too interested in it) but I do let her watch the occasional DVD.  She's not a fan of the one BE we've shown her (nor am I), but we do have Baby Brainworks which is teaching her letters, numbers, shapes, etc.  They are approved for 3 months and up.  And what I like most about them, when I'm in the room, she'll actually stop watching to play with me.  (which she didn't do when the TV only is on).  Anyway, I was just curious.  Thanks for your thoughts.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 23, 2005, 12:04:02 pm
Ok, so I had every intent of getting Maya up at the first peep this morning and feeding her, but would you believe I slept through the first peep (and the second and the third) and only heard her when she started fussing?  I'm beginning to think this is becoming a habitual waking.  The time has become very consistent, and I would think if she were truly hungry, she wouldn't be content to play in the crib for 45 minutes before calling out for us.

She's become more cranky throughout the day too, even in the early AM, when she's usually super happy to see us.  Teething again, perhaps?  She has also started arching her back and fussing, particularly around feeding times.  She hardly took any solids yesterday, and was fussy about bfing, even after a dose of ibuprofen.  She also seems super-tired - she woke from her last nap around 4pm (which is great for us), but was still falling asleep while eating.  She has fallen asleep during her bedtime feed for the last four nights, despite our moving it a bit earlier.  I'm about ready to give up.

But dh and I have vowed to get to bed early tonight, so we have the energy to mount a coordinated attack tomorrow morning.  At 5am, it's too tempting to take the easy way out.

Sleep sacks - Did someone say they make lightweight ones?  Maya sleeps in just a sleeper now (we keep the house at 78), but we'll need to start layering when it cools off here.  I have only seen the fleecy ones in the store here and was going to have MIL's seamstress make some jersey cotton ones.

Tired signs - Maya grabs at her eyes then smushes the back of her hand into her face.

TV - We don't let Maya watch TV, but then we were never big TV watchers ourselves.  We actually own the entire Baby Einstein set (gift from MIL), but have never put them in. 

Nikki - What he said was v. passive aggressive and way out of line.  It may be time for dh to have a quiet chat with him about respecting your style of parenting whether he agrees with it or not.  We have the same issue with my FIL (MIL too, actually).  On his first visit (Maya was about 3 wks), if he was holding her and I said it was time to eat or to nap, he would insist she wasn't hungry/tired/whatever and wouldn't give her back to me!  Apparently, if she can be distracted, she's ok.  It would take 20 minutes of coaxing to get my daughter back!  Last time he came, dh called him at his hotel the first morning he was here, and told him that he was not to challenge me on anything regarding Maya, period.

Christine - Someone posted recently on one of the other boards about camping - check the Activity board.

Deb - A burst eardrum??? sounds painful.  I hope she's doing ok.

Michelle - I recently booked tickets for us to travel to El Salvador (that's where my ILs live).  We'll be travelling 10-12 hours, but our thought was to book the flights such that we would be there in plenty of time to do her normal bedtime routine at the normal time.  I'd rather get up early, knowing that the day we travel is going to be rough either way.  If we mess with her bedtime routine/time, the crankiness is likely to last into the next day as she tries to catch up on her sleep.  Since you have some flexibility, I'd go for the 10:30 flight so you don't have to get up too early either.

Got to go and get in the shower, so I can get Maya up for the day.
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Post by: branwen on August 23, 2005, 12:33:47 pm
Heather- re: diaper soaking.  We had this issue for awhile when we started bringing the last two feeds closer together.  The first two nights she leaked through.  We bought different diapers and that seemed to help and then also made sure she got a new one right before bed.

Tarri- thanks for the A suggestions :D .  I put Eirwen down for her first nap at 7:40 so she had been up for at least 2 hrs (probably more because dh heard her cooing at 5:30) so we'll see how long the nap lasts. I'll let you know!  I detailed out her last few days on a sheet to see if I can see what is happening.  I am pretty sure it is teeth, esp how she was holding her head and ear yesterday wailing (poor honey).  And yes, I was told ear pulling is also a sign of teeth but I am taking her in just to be sure too.  I am so happy you're having better luck!  Are you still feeding her more?

JulieB-My baby's first tired signs are sighs- they are so cute, then a very high-pitched cooing "eeeeeeeee" followed by fussing.  If I let her go longer she will rub her eyes and sratch her face.

Nikki- you make me grateful that my MIL lives in Europe and that my own parents are currently 2000 miles away :wink: I don't know how you put up with it.  I would so loose it (I am pretty confrontational at times :oops: )  My mom is bad enough on the phone about my choices- for example is currently trying to convince me that my dd's lag in breastfeeding is that she is trying to self wean, which I know is not the case since she is ebf and the earliest window for self weaining is 9 to 12 months and ususally 12 to 18.  GRRRRRR  she also thinks that Eirwen is an angel and that I am just making all this **** up, and I know I have said this before, but Eirwen is only that way because I am trying to be so true to BW and understanding her temperament.  it is sooo frustrating...but when I can take my dd out to a loud restaurant and she will play happily for an hr (during A) without even making a peep I know I'm doing the best thing for her.  My non-BW friends however...well, see my other posts re: them :evil:

Vidya- I have the same weekend problems but it is because Eirwen is so excited to see her papa!  She just wants to be up and interacting with him.  I don't blame her as sometimes he misses seeing her for entire days due to his work schedule.

Michelle- Eirwen used to be fascinated with TV, esp as a newborn but now she looks away from it most of the time to play with her toys.  I always have her in her infant chair faced away from it too.  sometimes I leave the sound on but turn off the picture...so we listen to music or the news- more like a radio that way.  For the very brief time I had a nanny (long story) she brought her son with her and he watched baby einstien.  it was so creepy too me how he would just become entranced- but she used it as a baby sitter and to get him to take a nap. Not what I would do.  I think I will show her one now that she is older.

Because of my own PPD issues I simply must have the tv on sometimes (another adult voice) it keeps me sane, and the news keeps me in the world.  I have felt bad about this but as I said I don't really let her watch it- if we do we do it together so it is a mommy and me thing.  I also read the stats...and there is some true data about it causing ADD and disrupted sleep esp if pre-disposed.  ADD is NOT ADHD though...that is about control.  My understanding of ADD (my husband suffered this as a child and later OCD as adult) is that it is a learning disability re: focusing.  They need input to be very fast.  That was my dh's problem in school- things moved too slow so he would focus on something else rather than what he was being asked to concentrate on.  Because TV images move very fast it affects the way a baby develops concentration.  At least this is what I have read and from dealing with my husband's issues for years.

Plane travel- go at your dd's best A time during the day- make that the majority of the trip.  We stupidly did an overnight flight because of bad advice to fly during night so they could sleep...worst mistake I ever made.  She totally couldn't sleep on the plane.  I have never seen her so hysterically tired before. 

Christine- It so happens all the time.  One of my many mommy mistakes was cutting her nails too close and she bled- boy she cried :cry: me too!  I felt sooo bad. I also didn't buckle her in once and had to pull over.  The most recent mistake I made which I am so mortified about is that I was outside with dh working on landscaping with the monitor, well it had run out of juice and sounds very much the same as it does on due to her air conditioner.  I went in the house and she was crying...her face was all red and splotchy. I have no idea how long she was crying either...I don't want to think about it!!! Oh god...:oops:  :cry:   There is a camping post somewhere that I remember too!

Deb- so sorry about Olivia's ear...poor baby!  you sound like you're really handling all of this well! I'm not sure I would be!

Well, she's awake at the 45 min mark :( .  doesn't sound upset so I'm going to give her 15 min to resettle- wish me luck.  Yesterday we did 2 hrs total of pupd- my back is killing me!! :roll:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 23, 2005, 17:25:14 pm
Well, I didn't do wake-to-sleep last night.  He woke at 5:15 and 5:30, snoozing inbetween I guess.  Then I heard him again at 5:40 so I fed him (second time) and put him back to bed.  He played a bit, but he did go back to sleep until 6:50.  :D   I'll take what I can get!

How many oz. or tbsp do you feed your LOs at each meal?  I'm not sure if I should feed Asher as much as he wants or limit it.  He ate 3/4 of a banana before he was full this morning.  Yesterday, he ate 2 oz. at both breakfast and lunch, and still wanted more (loves those pears!).  He's still drinking a good 40-50 oz from me a day.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 23, 2005, 18:30:27 pm
JulieB - Maya gets between 2-4TBS at ech meal.  She had been scarfing down down close to 4TBS, but the last few days, she hasn't had much interest in solids or BF.

Branwen - We get second guessed all the time.  In one breath my Mom is telling me how she doesn't believe Maya is all that difficult, and in the next, she's saying we "push Maya to sleep too much".  We just avoid the subject now.  More on that, but a big storm just came up, and I better turn the computer off.
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Post by: HeatherC on August 23, 2005, 18:45:54 pm
It must be difficult to judge solid amounts while bf.  I guess the only way you'd know if your lo is cutting back on bf is the time they spend bf.  :?:

Sorry to all of you having night waking troubles.  I hope it gets better for you soon.

To all other non-crawlers, I've checked the Oct-Dec chat group and some of their's are not crawling yet, so I'm not going to worry.  I'll take it all in stride.

Here's a  :?: :  When do we start offering finger food snacks between meals?  I've heard that rice cripies are great to give because they dissolve quickly, but I don't know when to start.  Should she being doing better on the sippy cup first, or is that unrelated?
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Post by: branwen on August 23, 2005, 22:11:04 pm
Heather- I was told by my ped finger foods around 8 months or whenever pincer grip is good enough to pick up a cherrio!  Thanks for the info on crawling- I'm not too worried about that- but the ped said the non-rolling is of issue, so he just wants to check her...also something about her fat rolls not being symetrical? hmmmm :?: My baby is getting sooo chubby :lol:

JulieB- I give Eirwen 2 oz bm mixed with about 2 oz cereal.  she'll eat all of that and also about 2 oz veggie or fruit depending on what meal we're doing.  I am now doing 3 solid meals.  I know she could eat more, but I don't want to push the solids too much.  At around 9 months though maybe I'll let her decide.  Right now I think that is a lot? yes? :?:

Us- first nap was short but the next two were 1.5, so that is better.  I think mostly teething but also part of it is developmental.  She is babbling up a storm! Blowing raspberries and clapping today and also asking questions (the raised inflection). She stares at the cat and then says "ehh" with a ?.  She also started really jumping in her jumper today for the first time!! Oh, my gosh she was a busy girl.  She lunges as well for the cats with both arms extended with her whole body and for her toys that she drops on the floor. It's crazy cute how she now leans over from the waist in her chair to see where they have all gone. She also rejected my cluster feed tonight- I usually do 4 and then top off at 5:30 and tonight we just did the 5:30.  Her last feed was at 1:30 so that was exactly 4 hrs.  She did the 2 hrs awake time the whole day today.  I'm so proud of her!  I think just enforcing the 4 hr schedule might get us back on track.  Today I got a new baby :lol:  :wink:   8)
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 23, 2005, 23:35:02 pm
Quote from: branwen
[...also something about her fat rolls not being symetrical? hmmmm :?: My baby is getting sooo chubby :lol:

I was commenting on my DD's rolls at the last appointment and my doc said we like the rolls, as long as they have the same amount on each leg? What would the issue be if her rolls are not symmetrical?

Thanks for all of the encouraging words about our little accident.  :roll: DD is just fine today, no after effects. I will check out the camping post in the activity forum, thanks for letting me know about it.
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Post by: HeatherC on August 24, 2005, 00:24:04 am
Branwen, I hope you didn't think I was being negative when I commented about not worrying over the crawling.  I certainly agree that any concern should be addressed.  I would never want to offend you, or anyone for that matter.  I just fear that I worry myself too much and I found comfort in the fact that not all babies are crawling at 6 months.  Please let us know what you find out, as all information is good information to be shared.
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Post by: branwen on August 24, 2005, 01:14:09 am
Heather- oh, no...not negative! I was not offended at all! No worries :D  I too find lots of reassurance in that other babies aren't crawling just yet!  I just wanted to distinguish the rolling issue v. the crawling one because the rolling "window" has apparently past us by.  I guess the crawl window is so large because some babies never crawl and walk just fine.  So the whole milestone re: rolling is why my ped wants to check her out (he has said she is probably ok but will do a more careful check).  The thing is now she doesn't at all try.  She can spend 20 min on her tummy playing without fussing, but no attempts to roll. :? 

Christine- yes, her fat rolls are not the same on both sides.  I am not sure what this means as yet.  He said something about her joints, but I will know more after our apt.  They are definitely different as one leg has an extra one or one is missing from the other side.  again  :?

Okay, must get in some zzzz's, didn't sleep at all last night because of our cats of all things!
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Post by: HeatherC on August 24, 2005, 02:02:05 am
I got Kelsey's 6 month portraits back today, and they are precious if I may say so myself.  Will I get in trouble if I scan them to show you all?
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Post by: julieb on August 24, 2005, 04:49:18 am
Heather -- Nah, post them!!  I do Asher's!  I get his back on the second!  Can't wait!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 24, 2005, 12:24:35 pm
JulieB - Kinlagh drinks 8oz per bottle (4/day) and each meal varies.  Her cereal is usually 2 tbsp (2/day) and her veggies is about 2 tbsp (2/day).  Fruit I won't even count cause we don't even get 1 tbsp per day.

Branwen - Let us know what happens at her appt.  I'm curious about this fat roll thing.   I think it's cute and looks healthy. 

Heather - Post the pics!  I get Kinlagh's on Sept 7th and I'll try to post those as well.  We're allowed to be proud mom's.  It's what we do best!!

US - What a crazy night.  But Kinlagh made us so proud.  Without going into too much detail, we had to spend 4 hours in the hospital to check on a SIL who had surgery complications.  We had no idea it was going to be that long, or we wouldn't have brought Kinlagh with us.   She was a pure angel while we were there ... way past her bedtime.  As 7:00 approached, we started winding her down as much as possible and had her lying flat in her stroller (full recline).  But she was far too curious with her new surroundings to fall asleep although she did come close twice only to be awaken by someone saying "Oh where's the baby" or "What a cute baby..."  You know what I mean - they are attention grabbers for sure!   So when we finally did leave (at 9:45pm) she was all smiles, making us so proud!  She fell asleep in the car within 3 minutes and slept right through the transition from car to bed.  We did let her sleep in a little today (30 mins or so) and she woke as if nothing had changed.  Oh what a girl!!!  But mommy is sooooo tired!
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 24, 2005, 13:41:19 pm
Michelle - That's awesome.  I don't think Maya could have handled that.

Branwen - I'm curious about the roll thing too.  It's never come up in our check-ups because Maya doesn't have any (90%ile for height and 10%ile for weight makes for a pretty scrawny baby).  I wish she had some chub!

As for us, just when we think we've got it figured out, she goes and gets up at 3:20am.  Dh spent an hour settling and resettling her multiple times, and then I finally gave in and fed her.  I am really torn as I know she can sleep through, but I also don't want to starve her.  With BFing, it's so hard to know how much they're getting.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 24, 2005, 14:32:43 pm
[quote-"branwen"] I guess the crawl window is so large because some babies never crawl and walk just fine.[/quote] 
Just so you know, I never crawled! My mom said I was too chubby to crawl! I asked her last night, and she said I didn't walk till I was 10 months old, so hence I wasn't crawling - ever! I hope DD crawls, just because it is fun to watch them. I get so anxious for these milestones as I'm sure everyone else does too!

Heather - post the pics!!!!! I want to see!!

Yay Kinlagh! I hope Leah surprises us this weekend with camping, because I am sure the schedlue will fly out the window!
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 24, 2005, 14:38:48 pm
Have any of you noticed that your lo's get fussy when you are stressed out? I am completely frazzled of late (party at our house this weekend, work stuff, IL problems - see ILs and Vacation Plans on the Relationships board), and I wonder if that's not part of why Maya's been such a hellion of late.  I know they pick up on our cues, but I wonder how far it goes.  I also wonder if our stress hormones get transferred to them in breastmilk.

The last time I was really stressed out (we were visiting my family, LOL) was the last time Maya had a really bad period of nightwakings (much worse than getting up every day at 5am).  Thoughts?
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 24, 2005, 14:41:47 pm
Oh yes Deborah.  Kinlagh's worst fit was when I was super frazzeled during her baptism.  I'm not BF'ing so I think they just "sense" it.  Us women and our hormones.  I learned my lesson that time and now try to keep my feelings hidden from her as best I can as not to disturb her.
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Post by: HeatherC on August 24, 2005, 15:22:33 pm
Deborah, I think you have "hit the nail on the head" so to speak.  I totally believe what you said about stress and babies picking up on it, especially if you're bfing.  Would it be possible for you to spend some real quiet, special time with Maya with no interuptions/ distractions?

Leah, I forgot to post that I was sorry to hear of Leah's fall.  I'm glad you both are doing well since.  It was me that posted about my neighbor's baby falling off the changing table onto a hard floor face first, and she's fine, too.  Talk about toughening our reflexes!  Also, a friend of mine took her lo camping when she was about 4-5 months and she did wonderfully.  She slept next to them on a bunch of blankets I think and bundled up since it probably got chilly at night.  She said her dd loved the outdoors and had a great time "exploring".

Nikki, I am so sorry about your situation with FIL.  My MIL is almost as bad and it's leading me to really resent her.  I've decided just to keep my focus on my family and not give her the satisfaction of giving in to her commentary.  I figure I have to deal with her for the rest of our lives, so what else can you do?

Vidya, hang in there.  Things will get so much better when we're not so stuck to schedules and feedings all the time.  Pretty soon we'll all be out eating lunch at McDonald's and chasing the kids in the park.  They won't always need so much day sleep and you'll be able to get out more.  Kelsey used to fall asleep so easily in her car seat/ stroller (although on for 30 minutes), but that was when we went out everyday.  Now that we've been home more, so can't seem to sleep on the go and she gets way overtired.  And yes, there is a lightweight cotton sleep sack at Babies R Us.

Kelsey's tired signs are disinterest in playing or interacting with me, followed by rubbing her eyes and her eyes "looking sleepy".  If I don't get right to it, then she starts to fuss a little.
Kelsey used to watch a BE video (Baby Mozart I think), but doesn't show much interest in it anymore.  Maybe she's bored with it now, but she didn't like the one for the next age group (6-9 months).  My mom and I both would sit with her and talk about it like the video suggests, but sometimes I would just sit quietly with her and let her relax.  I put cartoons on while she's playing, but only the ones with cute music and very, very, very simple themes.  None of those with kids fighting or instigating trouble.  But I am always playing with her on the floor, unless I run to the kitchen to fix something to eat, or throw a load of laundry in, etc.

Julieb-what was that internet site you used to post a video of Asher?  How do you do it, and is it free?  Thanks.

I'll post the pics later.  The scanner is loud and it's right next to Kelsey's room.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 24, 2005, 16:03:58 pm
Heather: Can't wait to see Kelsey's pics
Branwen: How does your mother think that Eirwen is self weaning. At this age, they increase their solid intake. It doesn't mean that they are weaning themselves off. Did Eirwen reject her clusterfeed and sleep through the night. Diya didn't take her cluster feeds well because she was so distracted with her dad and the rocking chair:) She woke up twice last night and once the previous night:(
Christine: Sorry about Leah's fall. You have to read about our mishap at the end of this post:(
DEborah: They say that babies pick up on our stress. Diya does that too all the time.
Michelle: Yay for Kinlagh
julieb: I give about 2.5 oz of fruit/veggie and cereal two times and 1 oz of cereal for dinner. I have read that they can have about 8-10 oz of solids for one day at this age. So if he goes for it, give it to him.
Us: I am shuddering to even think of it now. Diya didn't take her solids well yesterday and I took some fruit and cut it on her high chair tray of all the places. She just grabbed the knife at the sharp edge with her whole palm. I shrieked out twice yelling her name because I was so scared! She got scared and she started crying thankfully letting go of the knife. You always think that we have to be careful with the baby around and see what Idid yesterday.I would have never forgiven myself if she had started bleeding. I am so thankful that nothing happened.
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 24, 2005, 17:32:55 pm
Asher did much better this morning.  I heard him wake at 5:30, but didn't need me to go in and resettle him until 6:15 (without feeding!).  He ACTUALLY fell back asleep until 7:00!  Woot Woot!  :D

And this is TMI, but can I just say?  Now that we've started bananas, Asher's poops have become solidified and I just LOVE it!!   :lol:  I mean, they're not constipated little rocks, more like a cow's cud (still green  :roll: ).  But they are SO much easier to clean -- 1 wipe instead of the 3-4!  And when he poops mid-nap or in the middle of the night, he's more likely to just go back to sleep.  And no leaking diapers!  :D  :D  :D

Heather: The video website is http://www.jusspress.com .  You can post up to 100 photos and 10 two minute videos for free (and rotate them out).  OR, you can pay $5 a month and get unlimited, which is what I have done.  The videos are super easy to upload.  I used the ones from my digital camera.  I'm sure I could use the ones from my digital camcorder as well, but I don't know how to hook that up to the PC.  The site will automatically cut them off at 2 min for you.  You can check out more of my stuff at http://www.jusspress.com/juliebatt .
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 24, 2005, 17:35:53 pm
Oh, Vidya, bless your heart.  I'm so glad she didn't get cut.  What a blessing.

Here are Kelsey's 6 month pictures.  I guess the resizing made them a tad fuzzy, but they turned out really great.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 24, 2005, 17:46:57 pm
Too cute Heather!!!!! Did you have them taken at Target? Leah has the same rose background. See..... These were taken back around the end of June, so she was almost 5 months old. Target does a great job! Kelsey is soooo adorable!

For those of you who were not around when I had her pics taken in June, these are her 5 months pictures - I guess we won't do 6 month ones!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 24, 2005, 17:59:26 pm
OMG, Christine, how precious!!  We don't have a Target with a Portrait Studio, but how neat that they have the same roses!
Leah is precious.  Oh, by the way, "Leah" was a name I highly considered for Kelsey.  It's still on my list for next baby.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 24, 2005, 20:06:33 pm
Vidya - Close call.  Glad your little angel is ok.

JulieB - Way to go Asher!  Keep on sleeping for your mommy, ok?  As for the poops, Kinlagh's are the same with the bananas.  I just worry cause she has a little more trouble "getting them out".  (talk about TMI)  Maybe it's just getting used to it.  BTW, love the video of "bite of pears, bite of thumb"....reminds me of Kinlagh.   And the monkey feet - you have some real AFV material there.  What a cutie.

Heather & Christine - What beautiful pics of Kelsey & Leah.  Love the roses and the black background.  Can't wait to get our pics now.

FYI, Kinlagh almost fell off the change table today too.  I'm learning that we have to adjust to the new found mobility as much as these babies do.  Pfew!

Question - if your lo misses their afternoon nap as Kinlagh did today (back at the hospital), do you have them nap later in the day, put them to bed earlier, or just go as normal and try to keep her occupied?
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Post by: thitz on August 24, 2005, 20:08:41 pm
Heather, I love the rose picture, Kelsey looks sooo pretty!

Vidya, thank goodness she dropped the knife.

Julie B, I'm glad you and Asher are making progress with your early morning! 

Us, my latest little stupid thing I did, was give Emily a piece of cardboard to chew on.  Well, she chewed off a piece and made a choking noise and I scooped it out real quick.  I won't be doing that again!

Have a good evening everyone!  Tarri
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Post by: Jaime on August 24, 2005, 21:26:57 pm
Vidya, Tarri, and Christine - glad you and the babies are okay. 

Julieb - yay for sleeping!  hope he keeps it up for you.  luke's tired signs include rubbing the eyes.  sometimes he gets a little red around the eyes, and sometimes he gets this glassy eyed look.

Christine & Heather - Love the pix!  i should probably do luke's (now 7) month pictures.  i wanted to wait till he was sitting really well, and now i just keep forgetting!!!

Michelle - on the days when luke has a lousy afternoon nap, i will put him down for a catnap around 5pm.  he'll sleep about an hour (45 minutes!) but it does help him make it till bedtime

Deborah - good luck.  totally agree that they pick up on our frazzled vibes.  luke seems so much more wound up when i am.... i hope your ILs get all straightened out.  wish i had advice for you, but my parents are happily married too.

forgot to open this to a new window, so i'm just trying to remember now...  luke doesn't roll, so let me know what the dr. says after your appt. (branwen?)

crawling... jaina didn't crawl till 11 months or walk til 15.  dh & i were late walkers too.  i have heard it could be genetic???  don't really expect luke to be mobile soon - although i think he'd love to take off running.  he LOVES to stand & bounce in his exersaucer.  just gets these big happy faces.

his other new trick is that he's learned how to make certain noises to get my attention.  then i turn around & get smiles & grins & giggles. 

have a great night everyone.
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Post by: branwen on August 24, 2005, 21:43:03 pm
Heather and Christine- the rose pictures are to die for!  I'm off to to book an apt with Target :lol:

Here is a brief thing about the fat rolls- it is about hip dislocation:

http://parenting.ivillage.com/tp/tpdevelopment/0,,3qhs,00.html

I will know more after her apt.  Won't be until the 12th grrr, could be sooner with another doc but her regular ped really wants to be the one to check her.  I will keep you guys posted.

Today the morning nap was better, but afternoon ones were shorter.  I don't get it really but we're totally on the 4 hr schedule now and no more cluster- she still slept through the night- I was getting sooo stressed out so I'm kind of going back to the basics- she'll let me know what she needs type of thing...

Here's how it's ended up:

6:15 bf
7:30 breakfast
8:00 1st nap (1.5 hrs)
10:00 bf
11:15 lunch
11:30 nap (was only 45 min today)
1:45 bf
2:00 nap (was 1.5)
4:00 dinner
5:00 bath
5:15 bf and to bed

I think many mothers would be happy with this :D
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Post by: julieb on August 24, 2005, 22:32:57 pm
Heather & Christine: LOVE LOVE LOVE the photos!  I hope Asher's turn out as well!

Michelle: Yeah, Asher was straining this afternoon while doing his business and actually cried a little.  :(   :oops:   Hopefully the pears he had for lunch will keep things moving.  I was going to start rice cereal on Saturday, but now I'm wondering about that.  I guess I could always give him a smaller meal of cereal and finish up with more pears.   :lol:   I need to go plant a pear tree with the way we're going through them!   :wink:
We really want to send in some stuff to AFV, but I don't think we have anything good enough to win yet!  We LOVE that show.  There's only a few shows that have ever made me laugh out loud, and AFV is one of them!  :lol:
On the missed nap, I put Asher down as soon as I can, sometimes feeding him again before if he would end up sleeping through his next feed.  Then I just adjust the rest of the day, with an earlier or later bedtime if I need to (+/- 30 min).  If it's too close to bed to get in a full nap, but too long to keep him up, I put him down for a bit and then wake him up so he can still go to bed around the same time.  Stretching them out might make them too overtired to get a good night's rest.  It's risky.
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 24, 2005, 23:14:19 pm
Kinlagh had a 20 minute power nap in the car on the way home and was energetic and didn't appear to need another nap once we got home.  So we kept her up til bedtime and she went down better than usual actually.  We often get a few cries, but not a peep tonight.  She must be so exhausted after the last 2 days.  Poor kid.

JulieB - As for the cereal, if their systems are at all alike, Asher shouldn't have problems with it.  Of all things she's eaten so far (3 cereal, 6 veggies, 4 fruit) the only one that had a constipating effect was the bananas.  Just make sure you keep the cereal pretty liquidy at first til his little system gets used to it.
And we have one video we'd love to send to AFV, but we have yet to send it in.  We'll be one of those families that finally sends it in and when we're interviewed, the baby in the video will now be 8 years old.   :lol:

Take care all.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 25, 2005, 01:11:17 am
Heather - I am trying to work more quiet one-on-one time into our schedule.  Today it didn't go so well.  She woudn't go down for her afternoon nap.  She dozed off for 20min total all afternoon.  By dinnertime she was pretty wired.  I wound up feeding her and putting her to bed an hour early.  Of course she fell sound asleep ont he first side, so I am sure she is going to wake up hungry tonight.

JulieB - We are experiencing the same poo phenomena.  It's kind of nice.  She has also gotten v. regular (this from my once every 7-10 days gal), every other morning during her first nap.  As for the rice cereal, we add a few teaspoons of prune juice if she seems to be slowing up.

Heather and Christine
- Those pics are adorable.  You guys are making me feel a bit guilty for not having Maya's photo done yet.

Michelle - We play it by ear on the nap thing.  If she seems to be doing ok, we try to hold out until her normal bedtime.  If she's super cranky (like today), we put her down up to an hour early.  It doesn't seem to have much effect on her morning wake-up.

Branwen - Awesome schedule - that's what we're shooting for (though sleeping in until 7am would be nice, but I'll take what I can get).  As for scheduling, I understand completely.  I finally got Maya's PT and neurosurgery appts scheduled - the first appts I could get were Sept 6 for PT and the Sept 9 for the neurosurgeon.  I understand they're busy, but it's just more time for us to worry.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 25, 2005, 14:39:22 pm
Everyone seems to be doing so well!!! We're having some night waking issues, but I am not sure if they have to do with teething or her stuffed up nose of what. And of course we're leaving to go camping tonight! I told DH, if the wakings keep up we are going to have to sit down and make a plan. I go back to work on tuesday and I don't think I can get by on the amount of sleep I am getting now! Well, this will be my last post till Monday. Take care everyone and don't post too much!!! You know how it is when you are gone for awhile! You come back and there are like 6 new pages!!!!  :wink: Take care and I will "see" you all Monday morning with pictures from our camping excursion!
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 25, 2005, 15:01:53 pm
Ohh, one more thing! The other day I wanted to take a shower, so DH fed DD - prunes of all things!!!! THis is what I found when I got out of the shower.................... :shock:  :D  :lol:
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Post by: branwen on August 25, 2005, 20:01:34 pm
oh my god Christine!  That is too funny!  Does your dh not aim well with the spoon :wink:

Good luck going back to work! (((hugs))) I hope your transition goes well.

For all- I have been meaning to plug the Baby Bjorn feeding spoons for awhile now.  They are wonderful!  Not available at stores but available online.  I have two but I must get more!  Eirwen really likes them and I do too.  They are very flexible and bendy with long handles.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 25, 2005, 20:15:07 pm
Maya looks like that when dh gets done too (though there is usually some on the back of the chair behind her as well).  I don't think he has mastered the instinctual, spoon in, pause to catch what comes back out.
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Post by: Jaime on August 25, 2005, 20:45:09 pm
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Christine, that picture is awesome!!! 

Branwen, thanks for the info!  that article was interesting.  now i've noticed that luke's rolls aren't even either.... i'll probably bring it up at his 9month appt... let us know how eirwen does (btw, how do you pronounce her name??? is it ear-win or ir-win or something else entirely??)

Us - we have a 'word'!!!!! luke has been saying da-da-da for a couple days now.  he's so proud of himself too.   :D  such fun!!!
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Post by: thitz on August 25, 2005, 23:42:44 pm
Christine,  that picture is REALLY funny.  Gave me a good laugh :D !

Branwen, glad to hear that Eirwen is doing better on the routine.  Emily is also doing a lot better.  Now I'm getting two 1.5hr naps and one catnap and back to going to bed at 6:30.  And she slept thru till 7:00am :D  :D  :D .  (well no crying till then but she played happily in her crib at 2:00am without us going in :? )  Our keys were also longer awake time and limiting nap1.  Also, I'm cutting back slowly on the df.

Everyone, just want to say thank you again for your routine tips.  It's made a world of difference in our day.  Last night I starting crying just thinking about her growing up and not being a baby anymore...sigh.

Good night everyone, Tarri

Oh, does anyone have any tips on how to get a diaper not to leak overnight?
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 26, 2005, 00:46:47 am
Tarri - We've never had that trouble, but I've had a couple people tell me that putting a second diaper on, one size larger than the first works pretty well.
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 26, 2005, 01:11:46 am
Tarri - we used to have the problem and Kinlagh would wake in a puddle of pee.  But I find it's a thing of the past since stopping the dreamfeed.  You may find it's not so much a problem as you're now weaning her off.  But in the meantime, I've also heard of the double diaper trick, but have never tried it myself.
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Post by: HeatherC on August 26, 2005, 01:23:08 am
Christine-great pic!  How funny.  Daddy lets 'em do whatever, doesn't he?  (Mine included)  Hope your camping trip goes well.  My family camped nonstop when we were all younger.  I hope it is something we do with Kelsey in the future. 
Branwen-there are so many products Baby Bjorn makes that I didn't realize.  I'll have to check out their website.  I'm fasinated with neat baby products.  Thanks for sharing.  Hope the dr appt goes well, although I hate that you have to wait so long to see them.
Jaime-a word!  How wonderful!  I bet it's just the sweetest voice.  Do you make repetative sounds with him alot, or do they just do it on their own?
Tarri-how great that Emily is doing so well with her routine.  I know you are very pleased, and rested!  I had a bad week with Kelsey's diapers leaking overnight.  I didn't know what was different.  I try to give her time to pee after her bottle, but usually she's so tired and I really need to get her to bed.  I just make sure I change her diaper, even if it's only been 30 minutes.  I use Pampers Cruisers, and they are wonderful.  I never dreamed I'd get excited over a diaper, but I love these.  The next thing I was going to do is put a disposable pad under her so I wouldn't have to keep changing the sheet every morning.  Branwen offered a tip that a friend of her's does.  She buys the next size up and puts it over the regular diaper at night.  I think that is right. 
Us-Kelsey's been an angel lately.  She's still grunting and "ummmming", which can be a bit annoying, but overall she's been very pleasant.  She took a 2.5 hour nap this afternoon, and I had to wake her.  She's going down awake for naps and putting herself to sleep.  It's not on purpose by me, but she tends to wake as I lay her down, but settles and goes to sleep.  I always expect her to start screaming, but she hasn't lately.  My mom and I went to dinner tonight with Kelsey.  She did fine, but she just doesn't want to be stuck in her carrier while so much is going on at the table and all around.  She's not stable enough, though, for the high chairs most restaurants offer.  My mom kept finding ways to prolong our visit because since she's been back teaching she hasn't been able to spend as much time with us.  She really misses Kelsey, and I felt so bad leaving her tonight.  :cry:
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Post by: julieb on August 26, 2005, 02:56:58 am
Tarri, we had leaky diaper problems and I switched many brands until I settled on Luvs.  Asher leaks out of the side since he sleeps on his side.  So the key was the area that goes over the hips.  I had to buy the next size up and lay them down just so to make sure they fully cover his hips.  When he started leaking again, I knew it was time to go to the next size (wore at night only for a while).  They went up to his armpits though, so I folded the top over!   :lol:   He's been in these size 3's for a really long time though and no problems yet.  You could also try some rubber pants made for cloth diapers?
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 26, 2005, 03:16:18 am
ok now i am reallyannoyed- i wrote a huge post last night and saw it go through (or so i thought  :roll: ) and now i see it is all gone.  :twisted:

won't really back track now but will say - yay to :
 :arrow: everyone who is doing well - Branwen good news about the 4 hr
 :arrow: the babies are safe and sound in spite of their "incidents" or forced change in routine
 :arrow: Emily for sleeping "through" and letting your parents get some sleep

Christine and Heather - beautiful photos.

Branwen - i read your info on the fat rolls... and it seems to be a long shot that anything is actually wrong, so i will be positive for you.  let us know how the Doctor's appt goes.

Tarri - the only other suggestion i have for nappy leaking is that you could put a slim sanitary pad or pantyliner in the nappy for extra absorbtion  :?:

Us - we are at the tail end of the growth spurt and will find out at my next clinic appt on Monday how much "growth" has occurred - i hope there was some height gain instead of all belly bulge!! she  slept through until 7:15 past 2 days without crying out for food (took early feed at 9:30-10pm both nights though).  now that she is not as hungry she is not as keen on solids - yesterday i tried sweet potatoes and had minor success but today she barely opened her mouth for cereal and pears!! will have to be patient i guess.

alex is doing well - no chicken pox - not sure what the red spots were.  My mom told me that chicken pox always starts on the torso though so that made me relax as they were on her thighs and arms.  a friend suggested a bit of a heat rash since she had a fever as well.  who knows???
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Post by: branwen on August 26, 2005, 12:15:29 pm
Yay! my doc can see us Sept 1st.  He's so nice and understands all my new mommy freak outs (he lets me email him which is so great!).  If by chance her hips are dislocated, which is probably not the case, it can be easily corrected.  He also assured me that this would not be the cause of not rolling.

 :?: - do any of your babies pull themselves up to sitting or standing yet?  if so how to you practice this with them?  Eirwen won't hold onto my fingers anymore  :(

egiggle.com has many neat products- lots of them European and that is where I got my baby food mill and the spoons.  They also had many of the baby proofing stuff I wanted from KidCo that I couldn't find.

Diapers- I also LOVE Pamper's Cruisers.  The Baby Dry ones started leaking through at 5 months so we switched.  These actually feel thinner but are just as if not more absorbant and I love how they fit her.  They have been so great for Eirwen because she has huge chunky thighs with 4 fat rolls :lol: and they stretch all the way around.

4 hr schedule- Eirwen loves it and because she now hangs in her crib for 13 hrs (I don't think she sleeps the whole time) I am happy with her naps even if some are shorter.  I will just have to make some adjustments in my own time.  She also is happy to have the end of the cluster feed.  Instead of 2 brief 4 min breastfeeds in the evening or a rejected one after a few sucks our bedtime breastfeed is around 12-15 min and for the first time in a month!  :D

Me
- currently depressed about my passive agressive mother, but I will post elsewhere about that whole deal.  Basically I just wish I had a mother who was more excited to be a grandma. :(

Deb- yay no pox!

Jaime- Eirwen is pronouned Ayr-WEN with the accent on the wen.  It is also the same pronounciation as in "heir to a throne"

Tarri- that is sooo great about Emily! Sleep for you!  What diapers do you currently use?
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 26, 2005, 12:33:40 pm
Ok, so I was just about to post that we were off to a good start this morning.  Maya slept until 6am for the first time in about 2 weeks.  She stirred around 5am, but was able to resettle herself, and she wasn't nearly as screamy when I went to get her up.  She started getting fussy after about an hour, but I kept her up as long as I could, and put her back down at 7:30am.  But now she's up again.

Branwen - Yeah!  Isn't it great to be on a good routine?  We're working on it.

Diapers - We have the opposite problem.  Maya has no rolls, so the leg holes often gape open.

Question - Do you try to extend naps if they wake up happy?
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Post by: HeatherC on August 26, 2005, 14:27:07 pm
Everyone seems to be doing well.  Although, Branwen, I'm sorry about your mother.  It's really a shame, but it's her lose.  I know that doesn't help much, but remember that you have love and support in us.

Deborah-I think if they wake up happy then they are rested.  If you want to make sure she's getting enough rest time, I'd just keep the rest of nap time to a low-key activity, possibly in her room or crib.  IF Kelsey wakes a little early, I sit her up in her crib and let her play with stuffed animals.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 26, 2005, 15:07:22 pm
We're really struggling here.  I just don't know where we've gone wrong.  Hopefully, I'll get a good nap this go-round.  She got up at 8:30am, and I kept her up until 11am.  She wasn't showing any of her normal tired signs, she was just a little fussy (which pretty much describes her 24/7 now).  I did manage to get in a good half-hour of quiet reading/singing, so hopefully she is nice and settled (we were thinking overstimulation might be contributing to the napping issues). 

She really liked "He's got the whole world in his hands".  We went through the whole family.  I think I need to put together a photo album of grandparents, aunts, and uncles, so I have pictures to show her when I sing.  None of our family is local (closest is 500 miles), so she doesn't get to see them very often.

Heather - I would like for her to learn how to play independently in her crib upon waking, but for now she is not sitting up on her own yet.  Due to her flat head problem, we try to keep her upright for all of her awake time so as not to put any additional pressure on the back of her head.  Of course that in itself is creating a problem, because we wind up holding her alot, and I think she is starting to depend on us for constant amusement.
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Post by: HeatherC on August 26, 2005, 15:13:45 pm
Deborah, I completely understand.  I try to keep Kelsey off her head as much as possible, too.  Since Maya doesn't sit independently, you could try placing the boppy (if you have one) behind her for support.  Do you have an exersaucer?  I highly recommend one.  Kelsey is showing the beginning signs of sep. anx. so I can hardly step 2 feet away from her now.  I can't remember what you've said about Maya and tummy time.  Does she sit well with support?
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 26, 2005, 15:25:14 pm
We don't have a boppy, but I was looking at them in Target the other day.  We don't have an exersaucer, but we have something similar I think.  It is a walker, but we removed the wheels, so it is just a little seat with toys and things attached.  We call it the stander.  We also have a jumper which I can use to keep her off her head.  However, I'm lucky to get 10-15 minutes in either of them, and that's with me in sight the whole time, preferably sitting on the floor in front of her.

Tummy time is also difficult.  Once she learned to roll over, it was pretty much all over.  I put her down on her belly, then she does a push-up, drops an arm, and rolls.  After about the third time, she's had enough.  I've tried propping her up on a rolled towel, and I can get a few more minutes that way because she can't roll over as easily.

She does ok with supported sitting, but I am the support.  If you set her down against the back of the sofa, she'd topple over.  I am beginning to wonder if her lack of rolls aren't contributing to the problem.  Her bum is to scrawny to balance on.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 26, 2005, 17:32:13 pm
Branwen: Asher pulls himself up to his knees.  I don't practice.  Don't want to because I already feel like he's growing up too fast!  :cry:   I fear he will be one of those babies to walk at 10 months!  :cry:   He just discovered it on his own once he started to crawl.  He's always loved standing and would do it in our laps with or without our help (I could hardly get him to sit in my lap to burp, always stood up!  :? ).  If Eirwen won't hold your fingers, can you just hold her hands?  Can you just practice holding her torso lightly so she can stand and balance more on her own?
I know you're anxious for Eirwen to roll & crawl (as I would probably be as well), but honestly, the baby-proofing is much easier when they're not mobile!   :wink:   We have gates & pillows all over the place now!
LOVE LOVE LOVE Eirwen's name, that's how I figured it sounded.  Might just have to borrow it for DD #2??  :D   And how is your name pronounced?

Deborah: I always try to extend naps if it's less than 1.5 hrs.  He would be cranky in no time if I let him get up any earlier.
For sitting up, have you looked into a Bumbo seat?  They're expensive, so I don't know how worth it it would be if she's gonna be sitting up soon.  You can use it as a chair at the table -- kinda like a booster, but not high enough.

Asher is having an off day today.  Very fussy, didn't eat much, tired sooner.  I keep looking for another tooth, but nothing!!  :?
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Post by: branwen on August 26, 2005, 19:17:06 pm
Deborah- I pm'd you a bunch of stuff just in case you look here first.   Also highly recommend the boppy, esp the little one made for tummy time.  It also works nice as a little support too in grocery carts, tummy and sitting. :D
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 26, 2005, 23:43:37 pm
Deborah - if Olivia wakes early formnap and is happy i l;eave her in her cot for up to 1hr 30 to amuse herself (no toys) so she is getting the "donw time" form stimulation.  she can explore her hands and feet and look at shadows on the walls, etc

olivia is now spending much of awake time sitting up and she reaches for toyrs etc.  and spends a lot of time int he exersaucer - her head looks like it is STARTING to fill out.  it is so hard to tell so i will ask the nurse on mOnday at our check up - because it seems slight i don't know if my mind is playing tricks on me.  now instead of totally flat it looks like a lump as part is rounding and oart is flat/concave - not pretty but encouraging.  this is definitely all in the past 2 weeks since sitting dominates our playtime.  she stillsleeps onher back and has some back playtime under her gym though.

for the photos - i bought a little special plastic album from the baby store (it has cute colourful graphics and a chunky handle so it was a plaything rather than a normal photo album) when alex was young and put in photos of all the key players (grandparents and our siblings) and would talk about them and let alex play/chew/suck them... wen she got a little older we madesure to get the album out when we were on the ohone with someone so she could hear the voice and see the photo.  we also took it with us when we visited them so she could then match her photos with the people to reinforce it.  it worked at making her really comfortable with our family whenever she dd/does see them. she still plays with it sometimes.

Branwen - glad to hear 4hr is going well - i replied about your parents on that thread.  chin up!!

Us - now that the growth spurt is fading she is not interested in solids at all - yesterday i barely got 4 spooonfuls in for 2 meals - she started to cry because she was hungry and wanted the bottle instead.  she is back to clamping her mouth shut. i am a little worried because the bottle feeds were also a struggle yesterday (posted about her lack of interest at some feeds) and i feel like we are going a step backwards.  Dh says to remember not to push and let her end the feed even if she only eats 4 oz.  but i am back to worrying that she will not sleep if she is hungry in an hour
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 27, 2005, 01:15:31 am
Deborah,  I highly recommend getting a blow up play tube that sits on the floor :!: .  This is what I've been using for the past month cause in the boppy pillow she started falling forward and I couldn't leave her unattended for half a second.  In the tube I place toys all around and she reaches for them and plays with the ones she wants .  I easily get 15 mins out of her in there during every A time.

Diaper tipsThanks for your tips everyone :) .  I am using the next size up but I think I need to do a better job of wrapping the tabs around the hips.  Also I'm going to try to put a panty liner in there too.  And I'll have a look at the cloth diaper covers to see if that would help.

Deb, I would say not to worry about the occasional 4oz feedings.  Emily sometimes has a feeding this small too and surprisingly still lasts a good 3 hours.  Emily is also still eating max 30oz a day of formula plus about 3oz or veg/fruit/cereal.

Branwen, I usually pull Emily up by her arms to sit and her torso for standing.  She's still only rolled from back to belly twice with a lot of encouragement from me.  She sits fairly well, but loses her balance in less than 10 secs.  She also hates tummy time but I manage to get 5 mins out of her every A time.  No signs of crawling yet.

Us, well we seem to have good nights and bad nights :? .  Today was a bit tough cause she had a bad night and I had to hand her over to dh a couple times because I was getting too frustrated.  Once because she was so stuffy and she wouldn't let me get the booger out.  But of course I love her to pieces.   And overall is still doing waaay better with her new routine.  I wonder if the carrots have anything to do with it...hmm.

Have a good night everyone :D .  Tarri
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Post by: thitz on August 27, 2005, 13:50:53 pm
I can't believe there's no new posts :o .  I'm disappointed. 

Anyways...has anyone gotten back down to their pre-pregancy size?  I breastfed for 3.5 months and lost 30lbs but I still have a jiggly roll :oops:  around my middle that I can't get rid of.  I've been doing about 50 of those abdonminal squeezes a day to get rid of the muscle seperation and walk 20mins a day.   Any tips?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 27, 2005, 13:55:48 pm
Tarri - I reached my pre-pregnancy weight a few months ago (even 5lbs lighter) but definitely not my pre-pregnancy size.  Things are a little different around the waist and chest area.  No suggestions as I'm working on them myself.  Plus I have MAJOR stretch marks, which I think are quite ugly.  But if the worst is that I now have to wear a full piece swim suit, I definitely think Kinlagh was worth it!
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Post by: branwen on August 27, 2005, 15:36:23 pm
Hi everyone,

I am surprised too! :o   I didn't post because yesterday was a very crappy day. Eirwen had total meltdowns all day and was awake from 9 to 2:30 and then at 2:30 only made it until 3:15.  I even drove myself to the homeopathic store and got some teething tabs- they actually seem to work too!  It is her teeth, gums were like twice the size yesterday.  She seems to have really rough days and then today she is happier took her ususal 2 hr nap this morning- first time in a week!  I still cannot feel any tooth but yesterday she had the redness, swelling and I could see a little blisterish thing in the front again.  She is being an angel today- a total ham with dh!!!  Oh, sometimes I just look at her and get soooo weepy because she is so beautiful and I love her so much!!

As much as she was miserable yesterday she managed to do two new things- I would bang two cups together and then pause and she would bang them.  I kept doing this over and over again to make sure she was actually mimicing me! She was!  She also sat for real!  I even got pictures- will post later.

I am below my prepregnancy weight and size :shock: But none of my old clothes fit the same (chest area esp  :wink: ).  One might think I am crazy for saying this but I am actually getting a little worried b/c I am still breastfeeding and I don't know if this is bad. :?   I am eating like a horse too.  My Yoga instructor assured me that it wasn't that (only go twice a week).  She also told me it was from breastfeeding...but I haven't been this thin since I was a teenager!!!  Who would have thought. :shock:  :?  :lol:

We get our moving POD today.  I'm so excited!  :D  I can't stand living in these boxes- must get cleared out so I can breathe!!
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Post by: Jaime on August 27, 2005, 20:04:23 pm
hey all... seems to be a quiet weekend around here!

Deborah - if he wakes up happy i usually just get him up.  but when it's early, he usually wakes up mad... to help him like his crib, though, i would go in & turn the light on when he woke up & let him play for a bit & slowly extended the time - this is when the mobile came in handy.  he can go for up to half an hour pretty happily, especially since he can sit up now.

Branwen - thanks for the correct pronunciation.  congrats on the sitting!  how fun!  hope that tooth pokes out soon... we have no signs of pulling up or standing or anything like that.  luke loves to bounce in his exersaucer, but he has no idea how to maneuver on his own.  sitting is about it right now!

Tarri - prepregnancy weight?  are you kidding!!!  well, i am pre-luke, but still 25lbs to go before i am pre-jaina.  i think i'm to the point to where mere dieting (healthy eating) isn't going to do it anymore - going to have to start some kind of exercise.  ha!  not until it cools off more...

Heather - i don't really sit & repeat sounds to luke.... but there is quite a bit of talking in our house, between us & the radio/tv.  so i think he just picked a sound he liked & tried it out - i do day 'daddy' an awful lot.  it is soooo sweet to hear.

us - seems like luke is teething again.  his naps (especially the afternoon) have been sporadic, and one of his top teeth poked through this morning!   :shock:  i wish i could key into these things better.  i'm excited cause dh & i are going out kid-free tonight.  today's actually my birthday & that's what i wanted.  yay!!!!

have a great day all!
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Post by: branwen on August 28, 2005, 00:24:02 am
Tarri- I forgot to tell you that Yoga has really helped my abs and pelvic floor muscles. Might be TMI bit I suffered from major incontinence (likely from tearing during birth).  Anyway, it's so much better now!!  My tummy is getting flat too and I do credit the Yoga with that. Anyway, I would highly recommend it.  It is also so extremely relaxing for me and not strenuous at all.  I don't think I could handle anything aeorbic :oops:  :wink:
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Post by: HeatherC on August 28, 2005, 01:19:40 am
I lost all my preg. weight the first week, but I was heavy to begin with.  I lost some extra weight, too, but I've gained it back and I'm were I was to start with.  I've been trying to eat less, and I considered a weight loss program, but they can get very expensive.  I'm just torn up about my boobs shrinking.  I didn't have much to begin with, but now I look like a pre-teen!!!   :shock:
I hosted a bridal shower for my sister today.  It was fun, but I was so stressed about my MIL keeping Kelsey.  Of course, everything was fine, but I was worried because she never seems to do what I tell her in terms of Kelsey's likes and particularities.  She just seems to make me feel silly when all I'm doing is telling her just how Kelsey likes things done.  Oh, well.
Hope everyone had a good weekend.  Oh, and the mid-nap poop is driving me crazy!  It's waking her an hour into the first nap when she would normally sleep 1.5-2 hours.   :x
Tonight, I did the bottle at 4, solids at 5:30, and bottle at 7, and it worked just fine.  I think I'll stick with it as long as I'll be home at 5:30.
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Post by: julieb on August 28, 2005, 06:06:37 am
Oh, Heather, mid-nap poops are the worst!!   :?
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 28, 2005, 12:19:13 pm
HI guys. we had computer issues today -somehow keyboard got locked and we did not know how to fix problem (thankfully friend's Dh works for microsoft so we got him to clue us in)

Tarri - sorry to hear night is still rough and that you are still in the land of the booger sucker  :)

i was down to within 2-3 pounds of pre-pregnancy weight when i stopped BF and unfortunately i have not been able to change my eating habits to match (after almost 3 years of either being pregnant or breastfeeding i have got in the habit of eating WHATEVER i wanted and not worrying about it).  now i have put back on a few pounds.  my new goal is to get my act together and get back to pre-alex weight (need to lose almost 10 pounds).  I have lost my boobs completely and am smaller on top now than when i was 15!!!  Dh is very sad as he is a boob man!!!  having said that i have not done any FORMAL exercise since i was 5 months pregnant with alex so consider myself lucky that i am naturally slim (not skinny).

Branwen - your teething situation sounds terrible, but good to hear your positive news too!!

Jaime - happy birthday to you! happy birthday to you! happy birthday dear Jaime! Happy Birthday to you! (at least you did not have to hear me sing out of tune  :wink: ) How was your night out?  what did you get up to?

Us - i am still struggling to figure out olivia's magic # for awake time from wake up to 1st nap in order to get more than 45 min out of her. i tried to keep her up for 2hr+ this mornign and it failed miserably - not sure if she was overtired or just needed to  poop, but after 45 min of failure to sleep i checked again and she seemd wet but i did not see poop and then when i checked AGAIN there was poop.   i changed her and resettled and still nothing.  she was hungry bit i was trying to make her wait for next feed. ended up feeding and she drowned the whole 130ml/ 4 oz offered and fell asleep in my arms finally 3 1/2 hrs after waking.  after 20 min she woke with a jolt and that was that  :evil:  so between 7am and 12:15 pm she slept 20 min.  thankfully her next 2 naps were 1hr 30 but that first nap is driving me crazy!!! should i just accept that she will need to have 3 naps that will be 45 / 1hr 30 / 45 (or 1hr 30)?  part of me thinks so - it would work better for me because then i could get out more in the am knowing she just needs a 45 min nap in the pram (did this Friday at playgroup) and focus on the 2nd nap which is the one Alex shares with her and she will keep for ages??  any ideas
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Post by: thitz on August 28, 2005, 13:54:09 pm
Everyone, thanks for sharing your weight stories.  It seems we're all in different places. 

I looked at the grobags online and they cost a fortune.  I wonder if I could make one.  Is it just a sack that buttons up at the shoulders?  Their website doesn't give a very good picture on what it looks like.

Debra,  I think you're right to make the second nap that Olivia shares with Alex the most important.  As long as she's not too cranky all morning and still sleeping thru the night.

Jamie, Happy Birthday yesterday!

Branwen, what do you do with Eirwen while you're at yoga?

Us,  Emily has started to put her head down towards the ground during tummy time and trys to bring her legs up underneath her.  I think this might be a sign of trying to crawl? 8)   

I've had trouble with the mid-day nap 2 days in a row again.  I think cause even though I'm waiting till 11:00am to feed the second meal she's still not hungry and drinking only 4 oz no matter how hard I try.  So this morning I cut back on the morning feed in the hopes that she'll eat more the second time and then sleep more the second time.  But overall she's in good spirits. 

Last night went well till midnight then all @#$! broke lose and she was awake every hour or less till 7:00am.  I think dh went in too early.  Then since I was laying awake anyways at 2am I took over, went in once and then she did fussy cry noises for 45 mins and finally fell asleep for an hour.  But the night before she slept thru till 6:00am :? .  She's all over the place.

Have a good day everyone!  Tarri
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Post by: julieb on August 28, 2005, 18:07:43 pm
Deb, I would also tend to relax on the AM nap.  I mean, go ahead and experiment, but don't let it stress you out.  As she gets older, this AM nap is supposed to naturally get shorter and shorter as the PM nap extends.  Also, when you vary the A time, do you do it for a few days in a row before switching?  Sometimes I don't see results right away.  How are you extending?  Watching for tired signs + 15 minutes?  That usually works for Asher.

Tarri, I also noticed the gro bags are expensive.  I ordered a thin cotton Halo sleep sack instead.  I get it on Tuesday.

Us, I think we're done with the catnap, except on the days he wakes really early and doesn't compensate on his other naps (probably 1/5 days).  I've noticed he has a hard time going to bed on nights he has the nap since his awake time has become much longer (2-2.5 hrs).  I have to make sure he's up from that nap by 5:30 and put him to bed later, at 7:30.  And sometimes, that still doesn't even work.

We tried homemade brown rice cereal.  He hates it.  He actually gags and tries to clear it from his mouth with his hand.  I don't know if it's the texture or the bland taste.  I've tried mixing it with a little pears or bananas and he still seems to figure it out.  I'm not sure how to get it less lumpy, I had it in the food processor forever!  I'll keep trying though.  Hope I didn't spoil him by giving two fruits first!  :roll: [/b]
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Post by: HeatherC on August 28, 2005, 18:28:47 pm
In case you haven't check Babies R Us already, here's the link to the sleep sack in cotton:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008KWO8/qid=1125253613/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-0585729-2490568?v=glance&s=baby

I hope I did that correctly.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 28, 2005, 19:49:40 pm
Well, we're still dealing with 5am wake-ups and 45min naps issues, but yesterday was such a good day!  Dh and I desperately needed some sleep, so we just put her back to bed after the 5am feeding and didn't wake her up at 7:30.  She slept until 8:30, giving us some much-needed rest.  She was in pretty good spirits for most of the day.  And most amazingly, we had a houseful of people for a cookout, and she was all smiles all evening.  We didn't let her get passed around very much, but she even let one of dh's coworkers (a bachelor at that!) hold her for a good 20min while he minded the grill.  She even stayed up an extra 1/2 hour (another mom was nursing in her room) without getting cranky.

And I got to meet some other nursing moms.  Other than the BW site, until yesterday, I only knew two.

Deb - You're right - A photo album she could chew on would be ideal.  I have been looking for brag books for both grandmas, so I'll have to keep an eye out.

She up - got to go.
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Post by: thitz on August 28, 2005, 23:54:11 pm
Hello again,

JulieB, thanks for pointing out that the morning nap is supposed to get shorter and the afternoon longer.  (Is that in the BW book somewhere?)  This makes me feel better cause today Emily only slept 1 hr in the morning and then almost 2 hrs in the afternoon and didn't want to sleep during her catnap.  And she was a fairly happy baby all day.  I wonder should I shorten her morning nap to less than 1.5 hours?  What do you think?

Heather, thanks for the link.  That's definately more affordable.  I think I saw something similar at Walmart.  I'll have to check them out.

Everyone, could you post your lo's routine?  I'm trying to tweak Emily's still.  What is your total day sleep and night sleep hours?

Here's us:
7:00  solids and formula
9:00  nap1 (1-1.5 hr)
11:00 formula
12:45 nap 2 (45-2hr)
2:30  solids and formula
4:30  nap 3 (0-1.5 hr)
5:30  solids and formula
6:30  bed
8:15  df formula

Hope everyone gets lots of sleep tonight :?  :) , Tarri
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Post by: julieb on August 29, 2005, 03:20:56 am
Tarri, I'm pretty sure it's in BW.  Try looking under 2-1 nap transitions or recommended sleep for a 9-12 mth old.  I know I've read it in a few books, healthy sleep habits for a happier child was one.  Matter of fact, that author recommends making the morning nap short from early on, like an hour or something.  I didn't really agree with him (he's a very contradictory author), because he sites at other times not to wake a sleeping baby.   :roll:   I think if they'll sleep longer and it doesn't effect other naps or nighttime sleep, let them!  Now with Asher, I've noticed if I let him have a 2.5 hour morning nap, the afternoon nap is often only 45 min - 1.5 hours.  Sometimes I'll wake him when I hear a transition if he's gone over 2 hours.  If he sleeps long in the afternoon, I let him.  I think if you make their morning nap too short, you run the risk of having an overtired child who doesn't sleep well the rest of the day/night.  It's a delicate balance.  Whatever you do, give it a good try for several days in a row before switching things up again.  Results are not always immediate, especially if they're catching up sleep from having many days/nights of poor sleep.  You have to wait for the overtired cycle to break.  I wouldn't shorten Emily's morning nap until you've given this a good run, then maybe you can do some experimenting.

This is our IDEAL schedule:
7:00 wake
7:20 BF
8:20 solids
9:30 nap 2 hours (lately has only been 1.5 hours)
11:30 wake, BF
12:30 solids
2:00-2:15 nap 2 hours (lately has only been 1.5 hours)
4:00-4:15 wake, BF
*5:00 catnap for 30-40 min ONLY if naps were short, poor, etc)
5:30 solids
6:30 BF
7:00 bed
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Post by: branwen on August 29, 2005, 11:49:19 am
Hi Tarri,

We've done a lot of transitioning lately to the 4 hr schedule but due to teething and what I discovered yesterday was constipation (poor baby cried with BM's :cry: ) her naps have been shorter.  They are anywhere from 0 to 2 hrs.  Lately she has been skipping the afternoon completely, but I guess this matches the book (the 4 hrs before bed which for Eirwen is 1-5).

It was driving me crazy but I've decided to just go with it as she is getting older and I think everything just changes around this time.  I have decided as long as she sleeps the night, is happy when waking I'm not worrying about it too much.  I of course would prefer that she get in at least one 2 hr nap. :wink:

This is our new ideal:

6:00 wake and bf
7:00 breakfast
7:30 1st nap (1-2 hrs)
10:00 bf
11:00 lunch
11:30 2nd nap (1 to 2 hrs)
1:30 bf
2:30/3 3rd nap (0 to 2) :shock:
4:30 dinner
5:00 bath
5:30 bf and bed (asleep at 6)
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 29, 2005, 12:06:26 pm
just a quick one tonight.  here is a typical day for us at 6 months

wakes and eats 7-7:30
will be adding in solids for breakfast as of tomorrow - figuring 8:15-8:30
9 or 9:30 nap 1 (45min usually)
11:00 formula, followed by solids around 11:30-12
12:30 nap 2 (1.5 hr)
3:00 formula
4:30 nap 3 (45min-1.5 hr) - or like today no nap, but still ok to make rest of schedule stay the same
5:30 solids
6:30 bath and bottle
7:15 bedtime
10:30 df formula

off to meet other BW sydneysiders tomorrow morning - will log on when girls are napping  :D  hope everyone has a good day!
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 29, 2005, 12:08:03 pm
just a quick one tonight.  here is a typical day for us at 6 months

wakes and eats 7-7:30
will be adding in solids for breakfast as of tomorrow - figuring 8:15-8:30
9 or 9:30 nap 1 (45min usually)
11:00 formula, followed by solids around 11:30-12
12:30 nap 2 (1.5 hr)
3:00 formula
4:30 nap 3 (45min-1.5 hr) - or like today no nap, but still ok to make rest of schedule stay the same
5:30 solids
6:30 bath and bottle
7:15 bedtime
10:30 df formula

off to meet other BW sydneysiders tomorrow morning - will log on when girls are napping  :D  hope everyone has a good day!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 29, 2005, 12:51:57 pm
Ok, I've been a slacker.  Page 32???  Oh my.

Heather - mid-nap poops are a pain.  But I think they must get used to it, cause Kinlagh still does but she doesn't wake any earlier for it. 

Debra - could Olivia be ready for 2 naps?  Kinlagh's naps were getting shorter (30-45 mins) until we dropped the late afternoon catnap all together.  She's now at two 1.5 hour naps.  It was a tough transition though. 

Jamie - Happy Belated Birthday!

JulieB - Good luck with the cereal.  It's probably something he'll just have to get used to now that he's tried the sweet fruit like you said.  You may need to take a couple days break and try again later.  You wouldn't want him to get too frustrated and hate eating! 

Tarri - our routine is working pretty well right now (1 week with successful naps)  Although Kinlagh has a month on Emily, I hope it helps.
7:30 - bottle
8:00 - solids
9:30 - nap #1 (1.5 hr)
11:30 - bottle
12:00 - solids
2:00 - nap (1.5 hr)
3:30 - bottle
4:00 - solids
7:00 - bottle
7:15 - bed


US - 3 poops per day for the last 4-5 days.   :shock:   I don't know if it's the prunes she's started or the recent teething.  It's crazy!  We had a couple of milestones this weekend too.  Kinlagh has started going on all 4s, rocking back and forth and crawling backwards.  Plus we have a few sounds coming out of her.  "Da-da-da"  "Ba-ba-ba" and "ma-ma-ma"  At least I get the honourable mention with the mamama.
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Post by: branwen on August 29, 2005, 17:39:36 pm
Hi everyone :D - I'm just wondering how you know when your lo's are done eating their solids.  what do they do?  or do you time it or set a certain amount to feed them?

Any suggestions to loosen stools would also be greatly appreciated.  We've tried bananas and prune juice but she is still straining a bit. :(

I'm trying to figure out what is constipating her too.  There wasn't anything new added to her diet- the only change was the drop of the cluster feed?
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 29, 2005, 17:42:19 pm
Ok, I didn't get to finish yesterday...

Tarri - You mentioned a blow-up play tube.  What is it and where did you get it?  Pre-pregnancy size?  HA!  The answer would be no.  I am about 5lbs over, but I swear it takes up more space than it used to.  I have exactly two pairs of pants that fit (I have tried to buy new ones, but my shape is now very different and nothing fits quite right).  We are looking for an infant bike seat so I can strap Maya to the back of my bike once she's sitting up on her own.

Michelle - I'm with you on the stretch marks.  I actually made a friend of mine gasp in horror when I showed her.  She managed to make it through pregnancy unscathed.

Branwen - Congrats on the sitting!  I'm thinking about joining the Y (I want to get Maya used the the water), so I'll have to check and see if they have any yoga classes. 

Heather - I can completely relate.  When my mom or MIL has taken care of Maya, they give me these insulted stares that say, "Don't you think I have ever taken care of a child before?" when I'm only trying to share stuff that ought to make it easier for them.  With my mom it turned out to be a non-issue as she slept the whole time, but with MIL, Maya woke screaming 20min into her nap.  MIL ignored what I said and did everything I told her we don't do, then wondered why Maya didn't calm down.

JulieB - Have you tried infant rice cereal?  I think I read recently that you should start with infant cereal before progressing to the homemade.  It's easier on their digestive systems.  Also, are you mixing it with milk/formula or water?

Us - We're on day one of a true four-hour schedule (so Tarri, I can't really answer your schedule question right now); we'll see how it goes.  We also tried wake-to-sleep this morning to address the 5am wake-up issue.  It bought us another hour of sleep.  We're going to keep at it for the next few nights and see if we can't make that change permanent.  We had tried varying her bedtime last week to see if that had any effect, but we didn't notice any difference.
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Post by: dkjokisch on August 29, 2005, 17:52:03 pm
Branwen - Maya tucks her chin down onto her chest when she's had enough.  As for the constipation, bananas are constipating, so I would cut back on those.  We introduced them to Maya over the weekend, and I could defnitely tell the difference today.  I've also given Maya pureed prunes, either by themselves or mixed in cereal.  If I recall correctly, you make your own baby food?  I steep two or three in boiling water for about 15 minutes then puree them (along with the prune juice) in the small cup attachment of the blender.  Just make sure they are well-pureed or smush them through a metal strainer when you're done.
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Post by: Jaime on August 29, 2005, 17:58:24 pm
thanks for all the birthday wishes everyone!  :D   it was lots of fun.  dh & i went out to dinner at the melting pot (fondue restaurant).  one of those places that i'd never been to but always wanted to go.  dawdled over dinner for almost 3 hours!  so nice to not talk about the kids and (mostly) work.

branwen - i've basically gone with the idea of "p for poop".  that is, foods that start with p are good to get pooping going (pears, peaches, prunes).  also, bananas are actually a bit binding and can contribute to constipation.  (that's why they're great when your lo has diarrhea).  as far as how much to feed, i will usually pour out a couple ounces of food & just feed luke until he stops opening his mouth or will turn his head away when i offer food. 

deb - you may just want to go with the flow as far as naps are concerned.  i would focus mainly on her taking a long nap when alex does - because that's the habit you want her to keep for as long as possible.

julieb - it can sometimes take a while for babies to eat new foods.  i'd keep offering every so often - it can sometimes take 10 times or more before they will eat it!

deborah - yay to sleeping in!!!  glad you've met more nursing moms too - it's so much easier to keep up bf when you know other people who are doing it too.  re the photo album - i think sassy makes the 'eatable' one & believe i've seen them at babies r us & target.

michelle - yay words!!!  i'd encourage the da-da.  that way, when she wakes up in the night to practice it, you can tell your dh that she's calling for him.  :wink:  :lol:

tarri - you may want to watch on shortening the morning nap.  while i wouldn't let her sleep more than 1.5hrs, i think she's more likely to shorten it on her own when she gets older.  also, i do feed less formula at luke's first feeding, so he will drink more at lunchtime.  think that helps him sleep longer in the afternoon too!

here's our routine:

7am wake
7:15 formula (6oz)
8:15 cereal
9 -10:30 sometimes 11 nap
11:30 formula (8oz)
1:30-3:30/4 nap
4pm formula (8oz)
5:30/6 cereal
7:30/8pm formula (8oz) & straight to bed

on the weekends he usually gets up around 7:30.  then he will nap from 9:30-11 & the rest of the day is the same.

us - luke's made great strides in eating - he will actually open his mouth for food now.  thinki it's finally time to branch out into the world of "real food"  so i bought some carrots yesterday.  plan on cooking them this afternoon.  hopefully it goes well!  we shall see...  in allergy news, we thought our air conditioner died yesterday afternoon, so it didn't run for several hours.  luke was sleeping fantastically until dh fixed it & turned it back on - then he started coughing really badly.  closed the vent to his room & he stopped.  think i'll be posting on the health board to see what i can do for him...
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Post by: julieb on August 29, 2005, 18:16:04 pm
Branwen: Asher is done when he starts going REALLY slow, playing with the food on his tray more, and/or sucking his thumb longer (always sucks inbetween bites).  I kinda go by the amount as well.
On the constipation, remember the BRAT diet to eliminate diarreah?  Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast -- those are all binding and could cause constipation if fed too much.  The "P" fruits aid BM's, pears, peaches, prunes.  You can try juice as well, apple, pear, prunes.

Asher's up  :shock: , will write more later...
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Post by: Leah's Mom on August 29, 2005, 18:27:05 pm
Hello All! I am back from camping. It went so well! DD did wonderful. We had one afternoon where she was up for almost 5 hours with only a little 10 mintue snooze, but with so much going on she didn't seem to mind. Altough that night she was in bed at 6:30. Great for me though! I got to have a few drinks and hang out by the fire why the other mothers chased thier little ones around till 8 or 9! I will post pictures tonight. I got some really good ones! It was the perfect vacation and such a wonderful way to end the summer. If any of you are thinking of going, do so!!! DD seemed to adapt well and we actually had better sleep there than at home!  :?

Now to catch up...... I told you not to post so much! 5 new pages!!!!

I use Pampers cruisers also. Great diaper, a little more on the spendy side, but for now I LOVE them!

Heather - We have the resturant issue too! Leah is not steady enough for the high chairs. What we've done is buy this chair that hooks onto the side of the table. It has a high back. Check it out online at http://www.onestepaheadbaby.com (I think that's the right site). Glad the bridal shower went well. I know, I fret when my MIL takes Leah too. She sounds just like your MIL.

Branwen - Leah will pull her self up with my assistance. She can't pull herself up without my help. Thanks for pronouncing Eirwen - I was saying ir-wen. Ayr-WEN is beautiful (not the ir-wen wasn't, but I LOVE ayr-WEN!) Sorry to hear about your mother, that's so upseting for you and Eirwen.

Deborah - I second the exersaucer to help keep Maya upright. Don't worry, we still have the flat head issue also.

Deb - Leah is the same way after a growth spurt. She seems to eat less and less. I have to constatnly remind myself not to "push" food at her! I have just learned to live with whatever Leah has for naps. As long as she wakes happy, I don't care anymore.... :? I do try to get one long nap in the afternoon.

Tarri- I have the thin Halo sack also. Works wonderful and not too expensive.

Jamie - Happy belated birthday! Off to school tomorrow.....  :(

I gained 20 pounds with Leah and when I came home from the hospital I hadn't lost a thing!  :shock: I couldn't belive it, I looked different. Well, I guess that becuase I had all of those transfussions, I was swelled up like a balloon. Once the swelling went down, I lost 18 pounds in one week!  :D Quickest weight lost program ever! So I look the same as I did before I had Leah, although my tummy could use a little firming up! I credit my success to working out my entire pregnancy. I even went to the workout center the day I had Leah!  :shock: I hardly started to work out and was sweating like a pig! I had to leave early, didn't know I'd be going into labor and hour later! I started back wroking out when Leah was a week old! Just with short easy walks. Now I can do the same workout routine I did before she was born.

We have dropped the dream feed!!!!!!! Has lead to a feed around 5 am, but I can handle that. Here is our typical day. We feed before naps because it helps settle DD down. But she always goes to sleep by herself.

Wake 6:45
7 am - Solids
8:45 - Bottle
9-10 or 10:30 - Nap
11:30 - Solids (Maybe, just started trying this meal)
12:30 - Bottle
12:45-2 or 2:30 - Nap
4:15 - Bottle
4:30 - 5 Nap
5:30 - Solids
7:00- Bottle and bed
Last night slept straight from 7-5am!!!!!

Well, that's all for now. I have other things to do during this nap. I will post camping pics later!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 29, 2005, 18:47:50 pm
Ok, back...

Asher's been having 4-5 stools a day.  I give him pears with every meal, so despite the rice and bananas, everything's still moving right along.

Deborah, I don't want to buy commercial, but I read it was okay by 6 months.  Asher's almost 7, so I thought it'd be fine.  I think it's the taste.  I'm mixing with water because I hate pumping and I can't afford formula.  I mixed it 50/50 with pears this morning and he did fine.  I may experiement a bit with EBM or ginding the rice BEFORE I cook it.  I still offer plain for the first few bites each morning.

Jaime, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the melting pot!  Now I have the urge!!  I bought three fondue pots after going there.  :lol:  I can't wait until Asher's old enough to participate.  I think it'd be a FUN family dinner to have once a week at home.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 29, 2005, 19:16:41 pm
Quote from: julieb
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the melting pot!  Now I have the urge!!  I bought three fondue pots after going there.  :lol:  I can't wait until Asher's old enough to participate.  I think it'd be a FUN family dinner to have once a week at home.

i bet it would!!!  jaina LOVES to dip things (red sauce, cheese sauce, ranch dressing) before she eats them! 

oooo... now you've got me thinking about fondue pots too!!  it was an awful lot of fun.  where did you find them?  were they really expensive?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 29, 2005, 19:22:03 pm
Wow, I can't keep up. 
Julieb:  Are you mixing the rice with water and then adding it to the food?  I just put it straight in there.  After rice cereal, I gave 2 fruits before and veggies, and Kelsey still took the veggies.  Of course, she makes a face at them, but I serve a fruit with them and get her going again with a few bites of it.
Branwen:  I have a pretty set amount that I give in terms of solids with each meal, and she usually gobbles it all up.  Of course, I feed solids right before the bottle, so she's always hungry for anything.  I have just found a good amount that doesn't interfere with her milk intake.  But she does sometimes start to show a disinterest in eating by not looking at me and not opening her mouth anymore, or playing with the highchair.
Jaime:  Happy Belated Birthday!  I went to the Melting Pot for my birthday in July.  It was the first time for both dh and I.  We really splurged!  It did make me want to buy a fondue set; maybe Christmas!

We seem to be different from everyone else on naps.  If Kelsey doesn't get a long morning nap, her afternoon nap won't be good either.  Yet if the morning is long, then so is the afternoon.  Here's our ideal schedule:

8:00-8:15 wake, play while preparing breakfast
8:30 solids then bottle
10:00 nap (1.5 - 2 hours)
12:00 solids then bottle
2:00 nap (1.5 - 2 hours)
4:00 bottle
5:30 solids
6:30 bath (or whenever she is crankiest)
7:00-7:30 bottle depending on how tired she is
7:30-8:00 bed

My prayers go out to all of those in the path of Hurrican Katrina.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 29, 2005, 20:44:29 pm
Grrr...just deleted a whole reply.  I hate that!!!!!!  Darn preview button - I thought I had submitted.  Let's see if I can remember....

Branwen - Kinlagh has a few signs including turning her head, or holding her lips tight when she's done.  If I don't get these signs, i do have pre-set maximums for each meal.  Example:  Cereal - 4tbsp, veggie - 1/2 jar...

Deborah - great idea on the bike seat for Maya.  Did you ride before she arrived?  Would be great exercise and don't know about Maya, but Kinlagh loves being outside.  Good luck with the 4-hour schedule and congrats on the successful wake to sleep.  Both will be great for the whole family.

Jaime - I LOVE FONDUES!!!  Insert drooling emoticon here.  Please indulge me and tell me everything you had!!!  Is the Melting Pot a chain in the states?  Anyone know if there are any up here in Canada?  I'm on a mission...  Way to go on the progression for Luke's eating.  Good luck with the carrots.

Christine - Welcome back!  Can't wait to see pics.  So happy you had fun and Leah was such a good girl.  So nice when they surprise you like that and adjust to changes so well.  What a sweet little girl!  Way to go on dropping the dreamfeed.  Now you have a whole free evening to yourself.  Good for you!

JulieB - 4-5 stools?  I thought 3 were alot.  Wow!  Thanks for the picture website. I've since posted some of Kinlagh so her grandparents and aunts/uncles out of town can see her too.   http://www.jusspress.com/choochieb

Everyone - Saw a few posts re: fondue pots.  Here's a $ saving tip.  We use an electric wok for meat/oil fondues.  Works great - especially for large groups.  And to prevent the splashes, just drop in 1/2 a potato and you should be good for the night.  So now you only need a set for chocolate and/or cheese fondues.  mmmmmm

Us - nothing much new since last post.  DH is home, so it's supper time.  Pfew, hope I got it all in!  Talk to you all later!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 29, 2005, 21:53:20 pm
Michelle, way cute pics and videos.  What cookies are those she's eating?  And what an adorable "duck tub".  What that the duck quacking?  Oh, and I checked http://www.themeltingpot.com , and it looks like they are only in the US, but some northern states depending on how close you are to the border.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 29, 2005, 22:07:23 pm
Heather - Those are Arrowroot cookies - ususally one of babies' first finger foods bc they dissolve very easily.  The first time Kinlagh had one, she just sucked on it which made it easy.  And now that she has a couple of teeth, she can take a full bite (which makes me very nervous but I just keep on), but she has to learn to chew sometime right?  Next are Cheerios - yikes!  And yes, the duck tub does quack.  It's so cute.  It was easier on our backs than putting her in the big tub.  At least until she's fully stable sitting up on her own. 

Thanks for checking the "melting pot".  DH and I will have to visit one when we're in Florida in November.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 30, 2005, 00:19:13 am
Thanks for the info on the solids and fruits.  I keep forgetting that about bananas :?  just because makes it go doesn't mean it makes it soft. :wink:

Michelle- I love your videos!!!  She is so sweet. :D

JulieB- I love yours too!  I love the crawling- and all the amazing things he does! :shock:  I also love his nightmare shirt- Eirwen has the same one :wink: I think little Asher might be walking by 9 months. :shock:

I am soooo joining that site :D

For the 3rd day in a row we have no afternoon nap- she is awake from 1:30 until her bedtime at 5:30, but I'm okay with it because I am offering the nap at around 3:30 and she plays for a bit and then wants out, she seems to be handling it ok, which is so surprising. 

Eirwen and I had a wonderful day today :D

I'm emoticon crazy tonight :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on August 30, 2005, 00:35:35 am
Deborah, toys'r'us.com sells it.  Look under 'gyms and playmats' it's called a playnest.  They don't sell it in the Canada stores anymore, so I made one with a blow-up tire (the kind for playing in the water) and cut an old tablecloth cut into a circle and hemmed around the edge to run a string thru and wrapped it around the tube so when she sit's it in it doesn't slide. My lilypie ticker picture is with her sitting in the tube.

Everyone, thanks for posting your routines.  I'm finding success with keeping the morning nap 1.5 hrs or less, feeding a little less at breakfast and now feeding solids a bit later than her bottle at 11:30.  Also she's dropped her catnap for two days.  Still having night wakings but like JulieB? said I'm going to stick with this for a few days and see if the nights improve.

Branwen,  I'm sooo glad your days are improving too!  I also heard that bananas were constipating.  My dd poops almost every day just after breakfast, sometimes skipping a day.

Christine, that's awesome that you had so much fun camping and that Leah did so well. 

Us, Emily has a second bottom tooth.  With no teething problems like lots of crying during naptime or bedtime or fussy eating.  It's a miracle!

Does anyone know about fluid intake once you're on solids?  I read one place where it said fluids should stay the same or increase once on solids.  But I kind of thought solids were so they could get more calories in with less liquid.  Any thoughts?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 30, 2005, 00:54:33 am
Here are some pics from our camping trip! Note - DH and I had not showered in like three days!!!  :roll:

I'll have to go back and find the links to Julieb and Michelle's websites. I would love to see pics and videos.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 30, 2005, 04:30:19 am
Jaime, I acquired the fondue pots randomly.  I asked for one for Christmas, that's my nicest one ($40?).  I got a cheap one at Target for cheap at the after christmas sale ($10).  And the last one I got at a white elephant exchange party!  I really wish I had an electric one though, these all use sterno.  But it's nice to have three because then I can do three courses like at the restaurant.  Or I can have a party, which I haven't done yet.

Heather, the rice was mixed with water when I pureed it.  I add a little more when I reheat it.  I feed him a few bites plain at first, then add fruit and feed the rest with the other foods (bananas and pears), alternating among them.  I'm beginning to wonder if the rice is having ill effects on him though.  I may forego it for a few days and see if anything changes.

Michelle,
LOVED your videos!  Kinlagh is just darling!!  I added you to my friends list.  What a great site, huh? 
Asher's been a frequent pooper MOST of his life, except the month or so before we started solids.  He was down to 1 BM a day.  Boy, that was nice, but there was A LOT and he often leaked if I didn't get to it fast enough.  Now he's back up to 4-5 a day.  Is that weird?  I had really hoped it'd go down.  Do you think this will last?  Then again, my DH often goes a couple times a day.  Maybe he just takes after his father!   :lol:

All -- the Duck Tub in Kinlagh's Video -- a ton of ladies on my yahoo group all have the duck tub for their LOs and they all LOVE it!  It's only $10 at Target (in the bath section, in a box by Munchkin).  They say their babies have a blast splashing away in there.  It has a non-skid bottom, so even babies who don't sit up can lean against the tail and enjoy kicking.  I must admit, I never got one for Asher though.  He takes showers with DH and I find the whole bath concept WAY too much work!   :lol:

Branwen:  Thanks!  We love NBC!  I certainly HOPE Asher's isn't walking by 9 months!  :shock:   Although, it WOULD be very convienent if he was walking by time we go to Disneyland in December (10 months).  :lol:   They have a NBC theme for the Haunted Mansion, it's SO cool!  Asher has been pulling himself up to a standing position the last couple days.  He doesn't know how to get down though, so he has several bumps on his head.  :(   What happened to my little cuddly baby??   :cry:   Glad you guys have been having a good day!!

Emily,
liquid intake needs to remain generally the same or the majority of their nutrition until they're a year old, I believe it's 24-35 oz at this age?

Christine,
LOVE your photos!  Leah's so cute!  We have a bumbo seat as well, though Asher doesn't seem to love it as much as I hoped he would when I forked over the $35 for it!!  I should have bought it when he was much younger.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 30, 2005, 12:01:27 pm
Michelle - how did you go about getting rid of the catnap while the 2 naps were so short - wasn't Kinlagh exhausted!!?  I know she is a month older than Liv but wow for the milestones! that is so awesome.

Branwen - when LIv is done with solids she starts looking around for something to do and will not open her mouth (it is like she pretends i am not there for a minute until i get the picture  :lol: )

Christine - I am so excited that your camping trip went well. I am afraid to tell Dh as i know he will start planning our first trip - but the thought of the 4 of us in a tent together - how do i get 2 girls to bed when they are both cot sleepers??? do we bring a gigantic tent and 2 portable cots??  the photos are great too!

Julieb - alex pooped after (or during) every single BF her whole life - in 2 years we have had 2 days she has not pooped (literally 1 in the first year and 1 in the second).  she poops after each meal still and if she does not do it after dinner, she does it first thing in the morning  and then again after breakfast  :roll: - maybe it is because she eats such a healthy diet - lots of fresh veggies and fruit and whoile grains, no junk for her. did not taste chocolate until her 2nd birthday last month and then just a small dose!

Tarri - glad to hear things are going well!! we had olivia's 6 mo check at the baby clinic and she told me not to worry about the lower feeds and said once 3 meals a day are established she only needs a minimum of 600ml a day (21 oz)   :?  so i guess we just have to follow their lead.

Us - things are the same- 45 min morning nap and 1hr 30 midday one followed by 45 min catnap. solids are going better though and today she ate well for lunch (sweet potatoes) and dinner (pear and cereal) at least and it actually helped with the pooping (TMI alert - we received sweet potato out the other end - gross but a nice change from all her green poops  :lol: )

still no rolling or crawling but the nurse said not to worry about the rolling at all (i am not worried about crawling as i know it is still early, just thought she woudl finally figure out how to roll from her back to front).  she was amazed at how great she is sitting up though - perfectly straight back and balanced, reaches for toys in all directions... so i guess that is where all her efforts are going these days.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 30, 2005, 12:47:36 pm
Deb- Liv sounds like she's doing so great!  sweet potatoes also make Eirwen go...most of the time at least.

christine- you guys all look great!  you were the one who loved CO right?  you all already look like you live, fit in there from that picture :D

everyone- Eirwen sitting pics in photo gallery!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 30, 2005, 12:59:34 pm
Michelle - thanks a lot - thanks to your great photos and videos i am still on the computer at 11pm (had to do DF tonight).  they were awesome - thanks for sharing.

Branwen - thanks for thinking that Liv is doing well - it is weird but i always feel ike on some level we are not doing as well as should be because she does not do 2 hour naps (silly huh?)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on August 30, 2005, 15:49:47 pm
Glad to see that all of you are doing well.
Here is our routine(only constant thing about our routine is that changes every day:) )
7.40 Wake up and BF
8.45 Solids
9.10 Nap usually 45 mins sometimes 1.5 hrs(today I put her down at 9.20 and she has been sleeping for more than an hour)
10.20 Solids
11.10 BF
12.10 Nap (mostily 1.5 hrs and an occasional 45 min nap)
1.40 Solids
2.10 BF
3 Solids
3.40 Nap(45 mins:( )
5 BF
5.40 Nap (30 mins she is skipping this lately)
6.30 or 7 3 min BF if I am lucky
8.30 BF and bed

You can see that I am BF ing her 6 times. If I go any less than that she wakes up in the MOTN:( She is also Bfing for max 7 mins these days. If I do the 4 hr EASY, then we have 2 wakings in the night. When I asked in the BF board, they asked me to try 3.5 hr EASY. If I do that though, she doesn't get the CF and we have never done DF. So I don't want to fix something which is not broken. One of these days, when I feel rested I am going to try 3.5 hr EASY with no CF.

Michelle: Loved the videos. She is a darling! Does she look at you when she says Mama and your DH when she says DADa. Diya says Amma(Amma means Mama) all the time. but she doesn't look at me.

JulieB: Asher is just like Diya. I can see that he is very active. Boy! I loved that trick of his. I am going to add some videos of Diya too in that site. That is a really cool website.

Branwen: Eirwen is sitting up so well. Does she like that winkel toy? Glad that things are going well for you guys. Diya pulls up to her knees by holding on to her crib bumper or boppy pillow in the playpen.

Diya woke up. I have gotto go. Will finish the rest in the next post!
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 30, 2005, 17:07:01 pm
Thanks everyone for checking out Kinlagh's site.  I recommend it to everyone so we can all see each other's darlings in action!  Let us know if you do so we can check it out.

Branwen - congrats on losing the afternoon nap.  Looks like Kinlagh and Eirwen are right on the same track.  And great sitting pics of Eirwen!  What a cutie.

Tarri - Way to go Emily (2nd tooth)!!!  And as for liquid intake, I've heard they will start weaning themselves once they know real food is part of their routine.  My friend with a 10 month old said her ds has started taking only 5oz of the 8oz offered in anticipation of the meal to follow. 

Christine - What a sweetie (on top of being an angel this weekend).  Aren't you lucky?  You have a beautiful family.

JulieB - You have to have a fondue party.  They're the best.  Lots of prep work for dipping sauces and that, but so much fun.  I have a book of fondue recipies if you're interested!   I've also added you to my jusspress friends list.  As for the poops, I think they're all different.  I hear of babies going only 1/week.  I can't imagine.  Kinlagh was a 1/day but the sudden increase I'm sure is due to the new foods. 

Debra - Sorry about the late night  :oops:  I did the same with JulieB's website.  I was watching Asher crawling around - too cute.
Here's what we kinda did to get rid of the catnap.  Might be a long story since there were alot of factors. 
1- She was starting to have problems with bedtime (not sleepy) so figured it may be time to stop the catnap.
2- We would have a very quiet & restful awake time around when she used to have her catnap (4-4:30pm).  Usually involved a car ride, watching a video (I know, I know) or cuddling with mom on the couch with a soft plush toy, but no major play (no tickling, no tummy time, etc).  For the first little bit, she may fall asleep (20-30 min), but never in her crib.  Then when dh got home, it was playtime again. 
3- She would have an earlier bedtime on some days during the transition
4- We then started lenghtening her wake times between naps.  Here's a guideline I received on another forum.  Generally, the hours of awake time is 2-2.5 hours/3 hours/3.5-4 hours (before morning nap/before afternoon nap/before bedtime) So as you can see, they can stay awake longer after nap #2 til bedtime
5- Also, we used to count the hours of wake time between naps, but we were then given the advice to just try keeping nap times at same time of day regardless of wake time.  For example, if she woke from nap #1 early, keep nap #2 at 1:30 regardless - since that's when she's used to napping.  I think this is what made the biggest difference in the length of nap. (45 min to 1.5 hours) So now we have a 9:30 and 1:30 nap whether she naps for 1 hour or 1.5 hours. 
I think that's all I can think of.  Hope this all makes sense. 

Also, good for you on keeping Alex's diet so healthy.  That'll definitely teach her good habits.  I've always said my children will not taste McDonalds til their 10th birthday!!!!!

Vidya - No eye contact during the chatter yet.  But I'm loving that Kinlagh is reaching out to me.  I can't imagine when the reaching is combined with "mama".  My heart melts thinking about it.  I hope the BF board can help you with your BF issues.


Us - Just bought meat & cheerios yesterday.  The meat is scary looking stuff!  Not sure if Kinlagh will go for that.  We tried cheerios this morning, and imagine this site...Kinlagh was playing with a few on her tray and then finally got one in her mouth.  I was watching her every move making sure she was actually chewing it.  She appeared to be then she began choking ( :shock:  :shock: ).  Nothing major, but still stops my heart.  So I tried picking her up out of her high chair and the darn tray fell on my foot.  So Kinlagh is choking, I'm moaning in agony and the whole time, FIL is behind me laughing his butt off.   :twisted:   Too bad I didn't get that on video huh? It was eventful, but I guess we have to keep trying (even though mom is nervous!) 
And Kinlagh is getting up on all 4s ready to crawl but goes nowhere.  I just love to see her little mind working.

That's all folks!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 30, 2005, 17:49:51 pm
Deb, a friend of mine just went camping with her 1 & 3 yo's.  She said the 3 yo slept in a small sleeping bag next to her and the 1 yo slept with her.  She said they did GREAT. She was nervous because she was by herself (with family, but no DH), but she had so much fun.  She said it was so precious to sleep and cuddle with them all in the same tent.  Her 3 yo was SO excited that mama was gonna spend the entire night by him in the tent.  She said it just warmed her heart!   :D
And I guess I'm in for a good pooper as well since I plan to make Asher a healthy eater.   :roll:   Now if I can just figure out how to keep the in-laws from sneaking junk to him!   :shock:

Branwen, great photos!  We have the same stacking cups and gym!  I took the cross beams completely off the gym though, so now it's just a play mat.  Asher kept getting stuck around the beams (and angry!) when he'd wiggle around.

Vidya, yes!!  Do post some videos of Diya and let us know!

Michelle,
maybe one of these days after I finish all the other things I want to do, I'll have that fondue party!   :lol:   I have a couple books as well.  I also looked up our favorite recipes from the Melting Pot online.  When you go to FL, I HIGHLY recommend going!  It is so much fun, but you gorge yourself silly!  Get the fondue for two, it's expensive ($75), but you get a 4 course meal and get to try cheese, meat, and dessert fondue!  Yummy Yummy!  :D  Pre-crawling is SOOO cute, isn't it?  They stick that cute little bum up in the air, start rocking back and forth but with no where to go...  SO CUTE, I just wanted to pinch his little hiney all the time!!  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on August 30, 2005, 18:26:29 pm
Michelle - you are too funny!!!  we did the fondue for 2, but the part without the dessert.  we got to do a cheese fondue (you get to pick from 4 options) with bread, apples, and some veggies.  picked a salad, and then picked an entree.  there's enough meat on there for 2 meals.  we didn't do dessert, but i watched the next table.  there's a list of about 8 different types of dessert fondues (all different combos of chocolates, caramels, i think there's a peanut butter, marshmallow...) & they bring you a plate with all sorts of dippable goodies on it.  mmmmm....we do need a drooling emoticon!!!  :D   PS - loved your pictures too!  these babies are just too cute.  also a comment - you may want to wait on the meat... seems to me i remember that they should wait till 9 months?  but kinlagh has been doing an awful lot early anyhow, so who knows?  where in florida are you visiting???

Christine - welcome back!  those pics are adorable.  what a happy baby!  how did work go for you today?

Debra - i remember camping in a gigantic tent - it could fit 6 teenage girls, and i don't think it was too much money.  at least not for how much use it got!  whew!  i don't think i could camp with 2 little ones now... maybe in a few years when they're all potty trained???  course, my dh isn't keen on the idea at all anyhow!

Branwen - glad you had a great day yesterday.  hope today is awesome as well.  how is all the packing going?

Vidya - jaina bf 6-7 times a day until solids were established too.  i think some babies just like it better that way!  glad things seem to be going well for you.

Us - luke ate the carrots!  he kept looking at me confused (where's the cereal mom?), but he ate a couple ounces.   :D and since we're all sharing websites, here's ours.  dh is a techie & has websites for both kids so all the relatives & friends can see them, since nobody's local.
http://debjimhope.home.mindspring.com/luke/
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 30, 2005, 19:33:46 pm
Just a quick note to tell you all - I'm a big idiot!!  I just dropped Kinlagh on her face.  She was standing and I tried to take a picture (to show dh and you girls of course) and she fell.  Of course she did, she's 7 months old and not ready to stand.  DUH!!  She's completely fine with a little red spot on her cheek.  But I feel terrible.   :cry:  :cry:   Please make me feel better......
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on August 30, 2005, 20:46:21 pm
I accidentally poked Maya in the eye this morning.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 30, 2005, 21:08:04 pm
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You all are just cracking me up today!!

Jaime!
I love the photo commentaries on your website!  Cracks me up!

Michelle/Deborah: I had to laugh when I read your posts!  I don't know why!  I guess it's just because we're all so easily mooshed over our babies when they get hurt!  You'd think I'd have CPS knocking on my doorstep with the latest bumps Asher has on his noggin!  I just have to smile and think to myself, "Here we go, it's starting!  I've got a BOY on my hands!"  :roll:   He pulled himself up on the end table yesterday, looked up at me with a proud smile, LET GO and promptly fell flat on his back and into the sliding door.  He has a huge red lump still today.  This morning, I heard him awake and playing in his crib, but I didn't go get him, even though I heard him playing with the verticle blinds next to his crib (wanted a few more zzz's).  I jumped up when I heard him howl.   :shock:   He has a large scratch across his neck from the corner of the blind.  Oh, and I also poked him in the eye really good a couple weeks ago.  I was TRYING to be helpful and save him from a fall (he had been sitting up), but managed to miss AND poke him as well!  He was in such shock/pain, he couldn't even catch his breath to scream.  Just gaped his mouth in a silent gasp.   :oops: :shock:   Poor guy, somebody needs to protect him from mommy!   :(

See, happens to all of us!!  We try our best, what else can we do?   :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 30, 2005, 22:49:14 pm
Oh thanks girls!  I feel so much better.  I actually laughed out loud at your visual, JulieB.  Poor little Asher!  And how is Maya doing?  They do need protection from their moms (and dads) don't they?  Dh just confessed that he has already punched Kinlagh twice in the face.  Funny he should tell me now....

And BTW, we all have to get together for a huge fondue while the men/grandparents/aunts/uncles/WHOEVER are watching the little ones! 

Jaime - I'll be in Miami.  We're going primarily to see a football game.  DH and I are huge NE Patriots fans and they're playing the Dolphins on Nov 13th. Can't wait!

JulieB - You may want to pinch Asher's hiney, but I want to take a bite out of Kinlagh's.  Is that wrong???    :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

This was a funny post day.  Thanks everyone for the entertainment!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 30, 2005, 22:51:15 pm
One more...

Branwen - I just saw your new Avatar.  It's beautiful and I had to comment!!!  Plus it reminded me that it's almost September and time to update to park/play pictures.  This is as close as I could find.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on August 30, 2005, 23:13:46 pm
Michelle- Thanks about the pic! It is my recent favorite of us. :D Kinlagh is beautiful in your avatar!!! Does she sit alone then?  What is that pool you have?!  I want one!!  It's okay about the face plant, seriously, isn't this what practice is all about!!!! (See I'm just trying to make myself feel better as Eirwen has bonked her head twice falling back from sitting on our hardwood floors...mama finally got a clue today and now we have appropriate padding!!! :oops: ).   

Deb- Liv IS doing great!  I was beating myself up and us about the lack of 2 hr nap too- but once I let it go and I realized that we're fine...but seriously read some of your old posts- you are doing excellent!! :D

Us- We have a tooth!  I can feel it's sharp edges today!! She won't let me peak though...I've tried every which way and oh boy, the drool!  At least there is finally a result to all of this fussiness.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 31, 2005, 00:49:16 am
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
JulieB - You may want to pinch Asher's hiney, but I want to take a bite out of Kinlagh's.  Is that wrong???    :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

 :lol: ROFLMBO!!!  :lol:

I confess, ME TOO!!!  But I felt embarrassed to type that.  Wasn't sure if anyone would understand!   :lol:   But I guess you do!  Sometimes I could just eat Asher up, he's just so darn cute!!  Those chubby little thighs are just delicious!  :wink:

Branwen: What a sweet photo!  I LOVE it!  BTW, I've been bummed that Asher's been taking 1.5 hr naps for the past 1.5 weeks (formerly 2-2.5!!).  But I just re-read some parts in BW and it's very typical.  Some drop down to just one nap a day by 9 months!  :shock:   So I'm gonna stop trying to figure it out and just roll with it as well.  I should count my blessings!  But boy, do I miss those 2.5 hour naps!  It was a nice 2 months while it lasted!  :lol:   Congrats Eirwen on the tooth!!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on August 31, 2005, 01:02:33 am
I survived!!!!!! My first day of work that is! It was sooo hard to leave her this morning, but once I was at school I was so busy with meetings and getting my room ready that I didn't have time to think about her.  :oops: Well, not really... I did think about her at naptimes and wonder how it was going. Guess what? She took an hour nap this morning and a 2 hour afternoon nap. The sitter said she was an angel. She kept commenting on how well she can play by herself and how much she likes to watch the other kids. SO happy!  :D  :D  :D Plus, since we've come back from our vacation, she has been sleeping better. Last night she slept from 7-4:30 straight!! Then I fed her at 4:30 and she went back to bed till 6:30! Good girl!  :D

Can't remember who asked about nightime diapers, but Huggies makes an overnight diaper, only in size 4 and 5. We use size 4 (it's a little too big, but it works) at night and it works great. The diaper is much more
absorbant.

Branwen - Your new advar is beautiful as are the pics of Eirwen sitting up in the photo gallery. Such a big girl! Yes, we love Colorado and love going to Brekenridge and Copper Mountain skiing and hiking. Can't wait till Leah is big enough for a trip out there again! Congrats on the tooth!!!!!!!!!!

Deb - I agree with Branwen! Liv seems to be doing very well! What a sweetheart! As for camping, we have a HUGE tent. THe air matress fit in there for use and I bet you could get to pack-n-plays in there. Although she did sleep with us in the early morning hours.  :oops:

JulieB and Michelle - I found the website! So very cool! I love the video of Asher crawling and passing the toy from his feet to his hands!  :D Kinlagh is beautiful in all of her pics and videos what a doll!

Michelle - THanks for the info on dropping the catnap, very helpful. When are you suppose to start meats? 7 months? Not sure when to try these with Leah. Love your new atvar pic!!!!!! Thanks for making me feel better about letting Leah roll off the bed with your story of Kinlagh falling on her face!!!! I feel bad for Kinlagh, but hey we all make silly mistakes right!?!?!

Jamie- Thanks for thinking of me today on my first day back. It was hard, but nice to be back with my co-workers!

That's all for now. I'm pretty tired from working today! It'll take me awhile to get back into the swing of things. I think I'm going to go to bed now. Wait, it's only 8:00, is that bad!?!?!?!?!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 31, 2005, 01:34:00 am
I don't really have anything new to post, but I'm glad everyone seems to be doing so well. 
Michelle-I can't tell you how many times my heart has sunk thinking I have surely injured Kelsey.  Babies are truley resiliant (sp?).
All the fondue talk has really put me in the "mood", the fondue mood!  We did have the "big night out" with the cheese, salad, meat, and dessert.  It was sooo awesome.  I'd like to go back for just dessert sometime. 

I tried some finger foods with Kelsey today.  I tried Rice Crispies, and some type of puffy flake food from a baby food brand.  She gagged over both and I thought I had choked her.  I really got nervous, but tried to play it cool in front of dh, you know, acted like I knew what I was doing.  So does this mean she's not ready, or do I keep trying until she figures out how to mash it with her gums?  I gave her tiny, tiny pieces, and I got them soggy in my mouth (gross, maybe).  I saw those Arrowroot cookies, but I knew she wouldn't be ready for them and I didn't want to waste the expense yet.  She's not good on the sippy cup, yet, either, but I keep offering it to her.  I've been giving her a spoon to hold during feedings, but it distracts her from actually eating. 
Oh, and I definitely see some teeth.  They haven't surfaced yet, but I see them through her gums.  I guess this explains the sour baby I've had lately.

Have a great day!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on August 31, 2005, 05:00:48 am
Christine, I'm so glad things went so well!  I'm jealous of your night time sleep!!  I met another mom at the grocery store tonight.  Of course her 4 mth old son was quietly sleeping in the car seat (Asher would NEVER do that), and she said he started sleeping through a month ago.  He was a very big boy and EBF as well!  :cry:   When will my 8 hours come?

Heather, :lol:  Your finger foods story made me laugh out loud!!  I give Asher chunks of banana (it's one of the few foods he's tried) and he gagged and made faces the first few times as well.  I think it was the texture and wholeness of it.  He spit it out with a funny face.  Later, I was eating a banana and let him suck on the end and shave a bit off with his bottom teeth -- he REALLY liked it then.  So then I gave him more chunks in his high chair.  He smashes them and doesn't put them in his mouth, but he'll happily eat them if I feed the chunks to him!   :roll:   I was discussing this in another group and they all came to the conclusion that finger foods just one day "click."  But keep offering them, that's the only way they'll get the practice.  Rice Krispies should be a perfect size and disolve easily in her mouth.  Yay for teeth!  I keep hoping for more teeth so I'll have an excuse for all this crankiness.  It's been a month and nothing!!  I guess I just have a touchy guy.   :roll:
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on August 31, 2005, 10:33:10 am
HI all LONG POST ALERT  :lol:  -we have had such a weird day i am glad it is over in some ways. Yesterday the weather did a sudden about face and we went form turtlenecks to 25C / 75F weather - i have been wearing tank top and shorts.  at 8am today the breezes outside were warm!! anyway i am not sure if that is why we had an odd day (does anyone know if the weather effects kids?)

Olivia woke around 6:10am and not out of hunger - she was just "up" and happy and cooing, etc - i am exhausted because of course this is after Dh was out for a client dinner til midnight so i did DF and stayed up too late...

then: she fed every 3 hours instead of 4 and took a wide range of amounts 4-6oz, was funny with her sleeps and solids

then: alex skipped her nap for the first time - too hot?  i put her down in a sleeping bag like an idiot and i think she was warm?  i went to get Liv up when she woke early from nap 2 and as i passed alex's room i heard "mom" and scared the CR@P out of me - she is usually down for the count until 2:30-3:30.  i could not get her to tell me if she actually slept at all or not

then: Liv spent an hour this late afternoon CRAWLING BACKWARDS and trying to get forwards with no luck - butt up in the air and pushing backwards - clear across the polaymat and off onto the hardwood floor!  she was trying sooo hard.

Christine: congrats on your first week back at work - i am so happy that Leah did well with her naps at the sitters...  :D  :D  :D

Branwen and Heather - yay on the teeth - i hope they come through soon. with the amount of drool coiming out of Liv today and her sensitivity (tears) i think we need to get in her mouth tomorrow and have a feel/look around

Michelle - i understand about the finger foods and choking.  the first time i gave alex a small bite of toast she started gagging and i panicked so badly i forced her mouth open and stuck my fingers in to pull it back out - i was freaking out.  i can't remember how long it took before i tried again  :oops:

thanks for the advice about the naps.  i am so confused.  1.  she has no trouble going down for bedtime because of the catnap so i am not sure baout that 2.  with the set times for naps - how does that work if you have a child who usually stays up 2 hrs how are they suddenly able to stay up HAPPILY for 3 hrs in the morning (ie if they wake early like liv did today) in the end today, again afetr pooping it was 9am before she went down anyway (after putting down at 8:20) so part of me thinks you are right, but when i see her rubbing her eyes i feel terrified of keeping her up even 15 min longer.

julieb - where are your videos?? i must have missed the post that had the link - can you repost so i don't wander through 35 pages.  want to check Asher out!!

about the inlaws and junk food - to be honest if they respect you they will respect your choices.  when we visited ILs in UK they were giving nephew (3 mo older than Alex) chocolate buttons and juice, etc that she did not have (she was 11-12mo at the time) and i was so happy to see that they never once offered it to her.  and i know it took all their strength to keep their mouths shut when i did not give her any chocolate birthday cake even though it was her own bday!  i was very impressed for sure!

Jaime - i love your sites !!!! wow!  i played the match the luke game and got 28% accuracy!

all fondue heads - you got it so in my had that last night with Dh out and me PMSing and a fridge containing dark chocolate and strawberries led to me melting a huge bunch of choc. in the microwave and dipping strawberries!! yummy!  that is why i could not sleep - too much choc.

off to eat dinner and watch "House" - talk later
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on August 31, 2005, 12:57:38 pm
Branwen - Yes Kinlagh is sitting alone.  But of course I'm never far behind.  The pool is a whale with little fins and just the size for 6-18 months.  It's even got a shade on the top for those little ones with the super sensitive skin like Kinlagh (she can't wear sunscreen yet - maybe next summer)  And please share your trick with the extra padding.  We too have hardwood floor and don't ever want to leave Kinlagh sitting alone - for fear of the bumped heads.  Yay Eirwen - a tooth!!!

JulieB - I think we all feel that way.  Not to worry, I'm not really embarassed about that stuff, so I'll just write it and you just agree!   :lol:

Christine - Back to work, scary thought.  Glad to hear Leah handled it so well...again!  What a girl.

Starting meat - I think for those that started solids at 6 months, then 9 months is wise.  But for those of us who started at 4 months, then they're approved to start meats at 7 months.  She's already on 3 cereal, 7 veggies I think and 5 fruit.  So we're good to move on.

Heather - LOL re: your finger food experience.  Good luck - don't give up.  Rice Krispies, never thought of that.  I'll give that a shot.

Debra - About the nap info.  #2 - I said nothing of them staying up HAPPILY   :? .  It is sometimes a struggle and I've had to keep her occupied to get her thru.  But that only took a few days and she started getting used to it.  I don't know if that'll work for Olivia or not, but that's how Kinlagh adjusted!  I would just start with 15 min increases at a time.  Don't go from 2-3 hours all at once.  She'll definitely have trouble with that.  Also, for us it's only 2 hours in the morning (up at 7:30 and down for nap #1 at 9:30) so no real adjustment there.  The longer wake times were between the 2 naps and before bedtime.  You know your child best, but I wouldn't worry too much about keeping her up a little longer.  I thnk they adjust better than we think sometimes.
Chocolate covered strawberries - you devil!!!

Us - I have the car today so will be going out ... YAY!!!  Will be meeting dh for lunch with Kinlagh and then off to the mall with my girl.  Have to start them early. 

Have a great day everyone and keep an eye on your lo's.  They're quick little buggers.  (P.S.  Kinlagh seems ok after yesterday's tumble - pfew!)
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Post by: julieb on August 31, 2005, 17:30:26 pm
Debra: Asher's video site is http://www.jusspress.com/juliebatt  :D   Yum on the fondue!!

Michelle: My Dad uses those foam puzzle pieces you can put on kids floors on their hardwood floors.  He also used an old thick comforter as a play blanket before the kiddos got mobile.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on August 31, 2005, 19:20:33 pm
Jaime-that is such a neat website.  I played "match the Luke's" and got something like 41%  I wish I were that creative.
Christine-so glad your trip was fun.  Hopefully that is something you'll be able to do more often.  Ah, memories! :)   Hope school and the sitter continue to go well.  Yay, Leah, for taking good naps.
Julieb-it sure does sound like you're going to have a wild man on your hands.  He's already so mobile and active, just waiting to get his hands on the next thing.  Good luck with that!  :lol:   And I totally understand about wanting to "eat them up".  Sometimes I have to restrain myself from hugging Kelsey too hard cause she's just so squishy and I can't stand it! 
Branwen & Michelle-love your new avatars in case I didn't say so already.  Your babies are beautiful.  Michelle, I've meant to get a little pool for a while now.  It's still hot enough here for her to be able to enjoy it.  I like that your's has a shade.  Hope you have a fun lunch date with dh.

Us-I've been giving Kelsey tylenol to help with her teeth, and it seems to be helping, but I don't want to give it all the time.  I guess I need to try the Baby Orajel.  I found a new veggie to try, it's sweet corn casserole.  It has rice flour in it, but isn't this the same as rice cereal?  BTW, what is the next cereal to try?  She's had rice and oatmeal, and did fine with both.  Would I do barley, and then mixed?  I bought prunes since that seems to be a common fruit with most of you, but it has pears in it which seems good.
I posted on the product watch board about humidifiers.  Do any of you have one that you like?
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 01, 2005, 00:12:59 am
Hello Everyone! Doing good. Still very tired though. It will take me awhile to get used to this whole working thing.....  :roll:

Heather - Keep me posted on the finger foods. I would like to start trying those soon too. Have you given her any second food meats yet? When do we start those? Yay teeth for Kelsey soon! Baby orajel never really worked well for us. Baby Motrin worked better than Tylenol for us, it lasts longer.

Branwen - Yay for a tooth! Now they will just keep coming and coming and coming......

Julieb- Don't feel bad about the sleep thing. Last night she was up at 1:30 crying for food..... I totally jinxed myself by typing that she is sleeping well!!!!  :?

Michelle- I hope you had fun at the mall today! Do lots of shopping for me as I am back to work now! (used to go almost every day!  :oops: )

Well I better go. I'm actually at school.  :shock: We have "Meet the teacher" night. But no one seems to want to come to meet me!!!!!  8)
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 01, 2005, 00:29:04 am
Jaime- I just checked out your site! Very cool!!!!! Jaina is soooo adorable! I love the hair and her expressions are to die for! Luke is cute too!!!!!  :D

How is Jaina pronounced? Is it like Jane-ah?
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Post by: HeatherC on September 01, 2005, 00:41:38 am
Christine-cute new pic of Leah.  It might have been there already and I missed it, but it's really precious.

Today I gave kelsey another veggie puff (it's Gerber btw), and I broke tiny pieces.  She actually seemed to be munching them between her gums and didn't gag.  Of course, she was so preoccupied with the camera as I was trying to film her.  So I guess I'll have to break it out to get her to try more.  But she didn't finish a whole one and she was already clamping her mouth and pouting that she didn't want more.  That's fine, at least she tried again.  Our ped told us to start the meats anytime I felt comfortable between 7-9 months.  I think I'll shoot for right in the middle at 8 months.  Unless I get too excited and start sooner.  My cousin dropped a bottle with her lo at 8 months, and had 3 solid meals and a snack.  I didn't realize it would be that soon.  But she's had 4 babies and I totally trust her.  He's eating the stage 3 jars for his meals, so he's getting plenty of food.  He also eats what the family eats for dinner, all mushed up of course.  I've given Kelsey tastes of mashed potatoes, gravy, and a few other soft foods.  I guess that's okay, isn't it?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 01, 2005, 00:57:36 am
JulieB, I love your videos of Asher, especially the crawling ones. 8) Also, I remember you were making your own brown rice for Asher and he didn't like it, How about trying homemade oats?  Maybe that would taste better.  I haven't done it myself but read it somewhere.  Oh, and Asher is my father's name.

Christine, I just wanted to give you support about going back to work.  I don't think I could do it myself.  And I loved your camping photos.

Debra, your strawberry and chocolate story made me laugh and made me hungry :wink:

Branwen, congrats to Eirwen on the tooth.  How's your routine going?

Heather, I've tried the baby orajel and its a very short term relief, but it might have helped settling her for naps.  The baby motrin did wonders for us where tylenol did nothing.

Kinlagh, thanks for writing all the detail on how you transitioned to 2 naps.  I think Emily needs to do that too.  If I could just get her to sleep more than 45mins for nap 2...

Us, I love Emily's laughs :D .  I got some surprise giggles when I wiped her tummy with a diaper wipe at bedtime :D .  We still can't get a consistent 2nd nap and sometimes get good night sleeps.  This morning I could have murdered the dog when she started barking at 5am and woke Emily up for the morning :twisted: I'm stopping giving sweet potatoes, I noticed today a bit of a rash starting at the corners of her mouth and a little on her belly (different looking than the eczema). 

Everyone, has anyone been affected by the flooding in New Orleans or from the hurricane?  I hope not.

Have a good night everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kiwi on September 01, 2005, 03:05:30 am
Hi everyone

I don't mean to be rude but wondered if I could join your chat sessions? My girl was born in January and i've just found your chat. I haven't read everything (it's 36 pages long now) but your children seem to be around the same age as Crystal and it's great to read how you are all doing with solids, teeth etc.

I wont be offended if you are not happy for me to join in, I can see you all seem to know each other pretty well already.

Anyway, fingers crossed that I might speak to you all again soon.

Sandie  :)
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Post by: julieb on September 01, 2005, 03:05:43 am
Heather: Have you tried the Hyland's Teething Tablets?  They work really well and you don't have to worry on overdosing (homeopathic).  You have to be really careful with the oragel and it seems to only work for 5 minutes!
You broke up a veggie puff??  :lol:   Don't those just disintegrate in your mouth?  You should get totally wild and give her one WHOLE!   :wink:
I'm shocked and amazed at the 8 mth old!  :o  :shock:   Is he getting enough milk through his sippy cup??  Formula & BM have more nutrients than table food, so I'd just be paranoid about their growing little brains.   :shock:

Tarri:
Yeah, Asher's one busy body!  I got him a new (old) activity center thing.  I'll have to take some video of it tomorrow.  He thinks he's pretty hot stuff standing up on it.   :D 
I quit the rice for two days.  I'm gonna try it again tomorrow morning.  I'm also gonna try avocado on Saturday.  I don't want to try oats until he's at least 8 months.  I'm being very conservative on potentially allergenic foods until his intestines are considered more mature.  I can always mix the pears or bananas with the rice -- can't get enough of those!!  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 01, 2005, 03:10:36 am
Welcome Sandie, jump right in!!  :D

Tell us about yourself and your LO!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 01, 2005, 12:38:28 pm
Hey all.  The mall wasn't great as lunch took forever.  We had one of "those" waitresses that just seemed to forget about our table.  Kind of tough to do I would think with a little baby.  But anyway, since it took so long, Kinlagh was exhausted by the end of it, so no shopping time for mommy.  We just drove dh back to work and headed home for a nap.  Oh well.  But I did have a nice night out with a girlfriend!  So nice to get out!

Sandie - Welcome to you and Crystal.  I too was a late comer and these girls welcomed me right in.  A few pages back, most of us completed this "survey" of how our lo is doing.  Feel free to add your comments so we get to know you and Crystal.

Cuteness -
Rolling -
Crawling -
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Solids -
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Naps -
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Teeth -
Dreamfeed - 
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Bedtime -
Favorite toy - 
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Lovie -
Excema - 
Reflux - 
Back or Belly sleeper - 
Swaddle -
Paci -
Sucks thumb - 
Weight/Height -
Eye/Hair color -
Work or SAHM -
Name & origin - 
I'm a - Girl/Boy
My Birthday -
BW Type -
First, second, third child of how many? - 
Ticklish -
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 01, 2005, 12:41:57 pm
Welcome Sandie and Crystal!!!! We all look forward to helping you with any issues and having you provide us with your insight!!!!!!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 01, 2005, 13:42:41 pm
Welcome Sandie!

Well, I should know better, and I ought to assume from here on out that even if I don't get an email, if I haven't checked the thread in 24 hours, there is ALWAYS something new.

I love the new photos, and it sent me searching for a new photo of Maya, only to realize there are no really good ones of late (except one where she's got the sippy cup in front of her with her looking kind of drunk).  It's time to get the camera out.

I'm also going to have to add cheerios and rice krispies to the grocery list after reading all of your posts.

JulieB - Those big foam squares are a great idea for hard floors.  We have tile and linoleum throughout the house.  We just bought an area rug for the living room, and sooner or later we'll get carpeting for the bedrooms, but it would be nice to have a floor play area in my office which is tile.

Heather - We've also tried rice and oatmeal, and barley is next on the list for us.  After that, I may try grinding my own so I can mix it however I like.  I think giving them tastes of stuff is ok within reason, but I would treat it like you would any other new food, and watch for a reaction.

Michelle - Sorry to hear your mall outing didn't go so well.  I don't know how you do it without having a car at your disposal.  Dh took my car Friday and Monday as his was acting up, and I thought I would go nuts.  It's not that I go out every day (certainly not with gas pushing $3/gallon), but just knowing that I couldn't even if I wanted to.

We've had a busy week.  We dropped a bf (now down to four a day), and Maya is now on a proper four-hour schedule.  It's still a little touch and go with the third nap.  Somedays she does ok without it, other days she'd never make it to bedtime without at least a little catnap.  As she gets a little more used to the four-hour schedule, I think we'll just adjust her bedtime on the short-nap days, but for now we're trying to hold it constant so we know whether the wake-to-sleep thing is working. 

Speaking of which, the wake-to-sleep thing seems to be working.  I have gotten to sleep until at least 6am every day this week.  I think we'll keep at it through the weekend.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 01, 2005, 14:36:02 pm
Deborah-great news for you with the 4 hour schedule.  Is Maya willing to take the catnap, or does she fuss through it sometimes?  I'd let Kelsey take if she would, but she resists.

Sandie-welcome!  Great to have you in our thread.  Like Deborah mentioned, the email alerts don't always come through, so check in every day because there's always a new post.  Looking forward to meet you and Crystal!

Julieb-yes, I broke up the veggie puff  :oops: .  I'm still scared about her choking, and she tends to gag at textures right now.  I tried putting one in my mouth and it didn't seem to disolve as fast as I thought.  About my cousin's 8 month old, he's still getting 24 oz of formula, which is what many peds recommend as a target amount for that age.  At least around here they do.  It's so hard with all the conflicting info out there.  What kind of store offers the teething tablets?

Michelle-sorry you didn't get to shop.  I'd be disappointed.  Every morning my husband leaves announcing he's off to make us some money; and I respond that Kelsey and I'll be sure to spend it  :D .
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 01, 2005, 15:35:52 pm
Heather - So far she has gone down willingly (we've only been at 4 hours since Monday), but she doesn't take it every day.  However, yesterday, dh called at the 30min mark to let me know he'd be late coming home.  She woke up screaming and continued after I picked her up.  She screamed for 20min and fussed for another 15 before she finally calmed down.

Does anyone else's lo do that?  Waking her up in the morning or from a nap to keep our schedule is an absolute resort for us.  She does not wake up well  if she doesn't wake up on her own (of course, neither do I).  She is extremely fussy, and it often lasts the rest of the day.  What I have done is go in and talk to her quietly.  If she opens her eyes, I'll just keep talking to her until she has a chance to wake up fully.  If she doesn't stir, I leave her and come back in 15min or so.  I can't think of a gentler way to do it.

Everyone - what veggies have you tried?  Maya has had peas, squash, and sweet potatoes.  Green beans and carrots are next.  I'm trying to get her eating veggies well before I offer too many fruits.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 01, 2005, 16:55:02 pm
Christine - No parents want to meet you cause you must just be such a good teacher.  All parents go to the teachers that their kids complain about!!

Heather - I've always read and heard that BM or formula are the best form of nutrition for our lo during the first year.  So I'm surprised that an 8 month old is on "people food" only.  Seems early.  Especially now that I have a 7.5 month old.  I can't imagine dropping bottles by 8 months.

Tarri - Kinlagh had a "non-eczema" rash for every cereal she tried so far but the rice cereal.  Oat, barley and wheat have all caused a little breakout.  So maybe we'll try them again when she's a bit older.

JulieB - I've already started looking for foam squares on ebay. Do you know what stores carry these?

Deborah - Way to go on the 4hour schedule.  Hope you find life a little easier with that.  We sure did.  And yay for wake-to-sleep.  And veggies that we've tried:  Peas, carrots, sweet potatoes, sqash, green & yellow beans (in that order).  Corn is next - maybe tomorrow.  I bought a baby book to gather memories and it just so happened to have a list of foods to introduce to baby and in what order.  It's been very helpful for us.  Let me know if anyone wants a copy.  And as for the waking Maya from her sleep, I don't really have any advice.  Kinlagh is usually in ok spirits as long as she's gotten 30min or more sleep. 

Humidifiers - I think someone asked about a good brand...sorry, can't remember who.  We have a Sunbeam humidifier/vaporizer.  It's a 2 in 1 which I thought would be a good plan.  It's a little noisy, but offers good white noise for naptime.  Since Kinlagh has eczema, it runs 24/7 in the winter when the heat is on in the house and so far, it's been good.  It's listed on the sunbeam.com website.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 01, 2005, 17:50:39 pm
Deborah: We have carpeting in a lot of the house and I hate it!  It's gets SO dirty!  And with Asher spitting up all the time, it's impossible to keep up with it.  Then I have the darn dog licking the carpet where he's spit up.  So GROSS!  It drives me nuts!  :evil:   On the other hand, the hard floor gets so dusty & dirty with the dog hair.  Even if I have just cleaned it, if I let Asher in the kitchen, I have to take a lint brush to him afterward because he's covered like a mop!  :?   Some days I can't wait until he's upright!
Glad wake-to-sleep is working for you.  Nothing's been working for us.  I got the halo sleep sack and he's still having a hard time.  He was up every 2-3 hours last night.  If I feed him, he doesn't take a full feed anymore.  So I don't know if it's hunger or not!  He just whined in bed all morning from 6-7 am.  :?  Now that he's on solid food, I'm thinking of buying a container of formula and giving him a bottle before bed or as a DF.  Then he could drink as much as he wants, it'd last longer, and maybe he'd sleep through?  I just can't pump enough (and don't have the time) for a big enough bottle (12 oz).  Maybe I could at least do a couple on the weekend so DH could get up with him and I could sleep in.   :(
Asher used to wake up very happy, but lately he doesn't (whether it's natural or not).  I find the best way to wake him is to listen for a transition on the monitor (him moving in a lighter sleep stage), and go in to wake him then.

Heather:  :lol:  Asher gags on the textures too.  I got some hilarious video of rice cereal this morning.  I'll have to post it later.   :wink:   You can get the teething tablets at any natural food stores.  I think I've even seen them Walgreens as well!
24 oz of formula sounds right (as opposed to going to whole milk).  I guess some make the jump faster than others!  Must be conveinent!

Michelle: I think I've seen those squares almost everywhere from BRU, to Marshalls, to any toy store...  I guess they're called "playmats."
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000067QXC/qid=1125596615/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-9233803-0365706?v=glance&s=baby
http://www.onestepahead.com/jump.jsp?lGen=detail&itemID=149764&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=149764&change=117
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 01, 2005, 17:58:52 pm
hi everyone - thanks for the nice comments about our kids' sites - all the credit must go to dh - he's quite the creative one.  and thank goodness for all the computer knowledge too!  jaina's name is pronounced JAY-na, with the accent on the first syllable.

LOVE all the new avatars.  going to try & search for a new pic later.  not like i haven't taken thousands of these kids!  (and now you have all seen the websites as proof  :oops:   :D )

julieb wrote:
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Sometimes I could just eat Asher up, he's just so darn cute!! Those chubby little thighs are just delicious! 
i know exactly what you mean!!!  glad i'm not the only one who thinks that!  know what you mean about the carpet getting dirty with spit up.  i hate how it leaves stains behind!  we figure we'll just let the kids go to town, clean the best we can & replace it when they're much older. 

branwen:  yay!  a tooth!  bet eirwen feels better now.

christine:  glad things are going well at work.  hope leah keeps up that napping! 

deb:  mmmm....chocolate and strawberries.....

michelle:  sorry you didn't get quite the mall outing you planned.  i'm sure it was nice to get out a little bit though.  i always seem to feel so much better when i can get out to go anywhere....

tarri - we are damage free but are suffering from a media rumor that there is no gasoline being delivered to our area.  it's not true, but we have been asked to conserve; only drive if we HAVE to, and the price gouging is crazy.  we're just happy that katrina didn't come near us!!

deborah - yay on the 4-hour schedule!

sandie - welcome!!  please join the chat!!! 

food - so far i've only given luke rice cereal & carrots.  we just take our time over here.  i plan on introducing sweet potatoes, pears, green beans, squash, and apples next (in that order).  will stick plain yogurt in there sometime too, and eventually cheerios, but who knows cause jaina was never very interested in them...maybe he'll be different.  i think it takes so long cause i just give him one new food a week or so... probably won't worry about oatmeal until he's a year - and then it will be actual instant oatmeal, and i will stir fruit in myself.  will probably never do barley cereal (but only cause that doesn't even sound good to me!)

guess that's about it.  nothing much new over here for now... that's probably a good thing!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 01, 2005, 18:21:55 pm
Michelle, sorry for the confusion about my cousin's lo.  I meant that he's dropped one of his four bottles and now takes 3 bottles, totally about 24 oz.  This is in addition to solids and snacks.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 01, 2005, 18:31:17 pm
Quote from: julieb
He was up every 2-3 hours last night.  If I feed him, he doesn't take a full feed anymore.  So I don't know if it's hunger or not!  He just whined in bed all morning from 6-7 am.  :? 

Me too!!!!!!! I am so tired. Especially since going back to work. I just don't know what to do. What does Asher do when he wakes up? Leah is crying sometimes and happily awake other times. This morning she woke at 5 and slept on and off from 5-6:15. So basically I was up for the day at 5.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 01, 2005, 18:33:19 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
Christine - No parents want to meet you cause you must just be such a good teacher.  All parents go to the teachers that their kids complain about!!

 :D  :D  :D Thanks!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 01, 2005, 19:55:58 pm
Oh my God, all the babies are looking so cute in the new avatars. I can't wait to change mine now. I am not even going to try to reply all the pages which I missed. Even if I click on post reply in a new window, I don't think that I'll be able to answer so many pages....:)

Heather and Christine: Your babies are beautiful. I love their pics with the rose background. Christine! Hope your nights get better.  Heather! I tried putting the veggie puffs in front of Diya too. She took it with thumb and middle finger and managed to put it in her mouth and then I helped her bite it. She was not too crazy about eating it though. She did finish 3 or 4 of them.

Jaime: Great Website. Belated B'Day wishes. Luke looks so adorable!

Sandie: Welcome to the chat. I just jumped in and everybody where very friendly!

Tarri: Isn't that cute when they giggle like that. I keep trying to make Diya giggle  all the time.

Branwen: Congrats on the tooth!
Deborah: Doesn't your DD wake up in the night. I forget it! Good to know that your 4 hr EASY is going well.

Michelle: Sorry about the bad shopping trip. I try to go out as much as possible now so that Diya will get used to it.

Julieb: Sorry about the nightwakings. Has this started all of a sudden for the past 1 month or did you have it even before that? I have  tried formula with Diya and it didn't make much of a difference. I have always noticed that she wakes up if I give her a feed after her bedtime/DF and also when I try a 3.5/4 hr EASY. Maybe you can try dropping the DF. I read somewhere that you have to drop it by 8 months. You can check on that. If her bedtime is late too, Diya wakes up every 3-4 hrs and then I end up feeding her because nothing else works at that point. But she does better on her regular days. Try increasing one more feed during the day or increase the amount of solids/no of times you feed him solids. That helped us certainly.

Deb: Hope your days are better now.

US: Please tell me if you can find a difference in Diya. I'll reveal the surprise if you guys can't find it, in my next post. She is getting better at army crawling. But she is not very interested in moving. She goes to her toy and sits there. She loves the touch and feel and lift the flap books now. She had bad constipation y'day and refused to drink/eat for  6 hrs. Naturally, she woke up at 4. Other than that, after increasing her A time for the first nap, her first nap has become better. She shows sleepy signs for the third nap. But it is getting harder and harder to make her sleep at that time. I have been quitting it for the past 2 days. I don't want to keep her up for 4 hrs though for the bedtime. Maybe, I am going to just put her down earlier for sometime and see.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 01, 2005, 20:33:57 pm
Are the earrings new???
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 01, 2005, 21:01:08 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
Are the earrings new???

that was my thought too???????????
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 01, 2005, 21:20:11 pm
Hello everyone....

I have been MIA because for the last two weeks I was capped on ADSL, therefore could not access international websites.  :(
I cannot believe there are so many posts while I was gone.

Hope everyone is doing well.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 01, 2005, 22:00:56 pm
Welcome back Schae.  I was wondering where you were.  We were being quite silly over the last few days, but I think things are starting to calm down again.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 01, 2005, 22:40:21 pm
That's right!
We took her to Walmart yesterday to pierce her ears. She was in shock for a second and then cried for a whole mintute which made me cry too ofcourse. But she was ok after that.
We are leaving to Dallas this saturday and will be back on tuesday. Might take a road trip to Austin. Have never been there. I would appreciate if you could tell me anything specific you liked about Austin. I am scared as usual about the routine because we have come to the point of 2 good naps only now. Anyhow, it shouldn't wreck the routine so much because it is for 4 days.
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 01, 2005, 22:50:52 pm
Vidya - I vote earrings too.  And Maya was waking at 5am, but we have had some success with wake-to-sleep.  She's now sleeping in until 6am or so.

JulieB - If I had my choice, I'd have hardwood in the main part of the house and carpet in the bedrooms.  Right now we have tile in the main part, and nasty old linoleum tile in the bedrooms (they were carpeted, but it was in such bad shape we tore it out).  The bedrooms will be carpeted whenever we finish painting them.  I have to agree cleaning spitup off tile is much easier, but our problem is we don't really have soft floorspace for Maya to play on, hence the rug purchase.

As for Asher's night wakings, is dh willing to step in?  I have never had any luck resettling Maya in the middle of the night.  Once she gets a whiff, she wants to eat, hungry or not.  Dh has been great in this regard.  When we are fairly certain it's not hunger, he goes in.  And if he's not taking a full feed, it's probably not hunger.  I have a friend who's had some success with weaning her lo off at night one feeding at a time, first to a bottle of water, then to a pacifier, but dh did most of it I think.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 01, 2005, 22:53:17 pm
There's a place in Austin that makes the best burritos - it's called Freebirds.  I don't know where it is in Austin, but I used to go to the ones in College Station.  I have made dh drive with me two hours out of the way (from San Antonio to Houston) to go to Freebirds in College Station.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 02, 2005, 00:10:33 am
Vidya, what a beautiful little girl you have!  I noticed her earrings, too, after noticing her big, beautiful eyes.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 02, 2005, 04:19:45 am
Asher started sitting really well this evening.  Previously, he'd topple within a few minutes if I put him in a sit position.  But as of tonight, he has been able to put himself in a sit position (from a crawl) and sit for quite a long time playing.  It's amazing.  It's like it suddenly clicked.  He also has perfected his standing.  He's getting much better at getting back down himself as well.  I haven't needed to rescue him as much the last couple days.  We tried rice again this morning and I didn't notice any ill effects.  I mixed it with EBM and he still didn't like it (and gagged!  :lol: ), but once I mixed in some bananas, he liked it just fine.  I'm going to try avocadoes on Saturday.  I REALLY hope he likes them because I bought a whole bunch (and they're really good for him)!  :lol:

Christine: Lately, Asher seems to wake between 6-6:30 and whines.  When it escalates into a cry, I go in and resettle him.  He promptly puts his thumb in his mouth and acts like he's going back to sleep.  About the minute I get back into bed (or get all comfy), he starts whining again and the cycle continues until I get him up at 7:00.  Rarely does he fall back asleep.  I've tried feeding him a few times at that hour and putting back to bed, but he proceeds to play for a good 15 minutes or more before falling asleep.  Before you know it, it's already 7:00, so I just don't know if it's worth it.  Plus, I don't think he's waking from hunger because he goes from 6:30 pm to 1 or 2 am until he feeds again.  So it's only been 4 or 5 hours really.   :?  I just don't know.  I tried wake-to-sleep for about 2 weeks and it just seemed to make it worse.

Vidya: Love the earrings!  You should use that photo as your new avatar!  Someday I'm sure Asher will want his ears pierced as well.  And Daddy will have to go take him.  I don't have my ears pierced!  I'm a chicken!  :shock:
Asher's always had at least one night waking to eat, but since he was about 4-5 months old, it's been consistently more (though still only one feeding).  And the early waking has always been a problem.  When did you try formula?  Before solid food?  I wonder if it would work now that he's getting solids.  Especially since the number of minutes he nurses has gone down slightly in the last week (was 8-10 min for a full feed, is now only 5-6 min).  I have never DF because I didn't mind the one night feed (when that's all it was!). I've also tried nursing MANY times a day to up his intake and that didn't work at all!  He's now getting 3 solids meals a day, about 3 oz each, plus he nurses from both sides.  I still think he's getting a good 40 oz from me a day!  You'd THINK it'd be enough!  :?
When we were dropping the catnap, we had to move his bedtime up to compensate (never effected his night wakings though).

Deborah:
DH is willing to help on weekends.  The one night he tried to help me, Asher finished all of what I had pumped and still wanted more, so I had to get up.  He had woken early to eat and DH wasn't sure about holding him off, so he ended up waking a second time later in the night to eat AGAIN.  So I had to get up again because all the pumped milk was gone.  It was a disappointing disaster and I haven't tried since.  Especially since Asher now drinks a good 12 oz in one sitting.  It takes me a few days to figure out how to pump that much!
On his night wakings, I can resettle him other ways most times.  But if he wakes between 12:30-3:00, I automatically feed him because it's been at least 6 hours.  I've tried holding him off a few times and he ends up waking every hour after -- so that makes me think it's hunger.  But now that he's cut down his nursing time at night by a few minutes this week, I wonder if he's ready.  I never tried having DH hold him off.  Do you think if we endured the multiple wakings and DIDN'T feed him, he'd stop waking after a few days?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 02, 2005, 06:04:10 am
welcome Sandie!  there is actually a whole other thread that we already closed down - we write a lot and have a big group i guess.
it will be a great way to catch up if you fill in the questionnaire too.  ask us anything if you are not sure about us...

Vidya - that photo is gorgeous!!

can't comment just yet on anyone else (am being selfish) I am having a horrible week and finally have to admit it!  i have been crying on and off the past 2 days.  i know part of it is the PMS / medication not working so i am feeling the PPD  :cry:  but i think olivia is teething and it is BAAAAD.  my non-crier has been so sensitive these past 2 days and crying so much, not napping or eating well (except just after i give her pain relief).  this morning i put her down at 9am and she fussed and cried until 9:45 (i thought she was overtired) and then i realized she was in pain  :oops: i tried to give her panadol and she screamed the whole time (i had to squeeze her cheeks to get an entry to her mouth), finally crying to Dh on the phone he calmed me down  "she is just teething.  she is in pain.  you are doing all you can for her,etc" told me to get out of the house so i took the girls for a walk to the playground so at least alex could play and climb while i walked trying to put olivia to sleep (no luck!!).  she was up from 7am until 1pm and then slept 1hr before meds wore off again.   is now having nap at almost 4pm and i hope she sleeps for an hour and a half because my mother's helper is here for another hour and i am going to lay down!

i feel like this week i have been such a cr@p mom - i have been so tired and snappy again.  when olivia was whinging for food the other day whe i was trying to give alex lunch, she would not stop and the sound was getting under my skin and i actually said  :oops:  "if you don't stop i am going to kill myself".  i did not mean it and felt terrible - i just wanted some quiet for a second instead of 2 kids needing me at the same time... i was only grateful that alex does not know what those words mean - although she recognizes the stress.  i am crying writing this and need to lay down (but am already thinking about the food i have to get ready for their dinners)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 02, 2005, 12:54:59 pm
JulieB - 12oz in one sitting! :shock: Wow!  That would pose challenge to pumping.  I left a 6oz bottle for Maya the other night for her bedtime feed.  There was 2.5oz left.  I would expect she normally gets more, but she could never down 12oz.  I had some ideas, but it was getting kind of long, so I PM'd you.

Deb - Hang in there.  It's almost the weekend.  We're thinking of you.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 02, 2005, 13:20:07 pm
Vidya-the eyes...oh, so pretty!!  I was just showing them to my dh.  Good luck on your trip to Austin, my dh really likes it there- very hip he says.

JulieB- I have to agree with Deborah on the dh strategy. My husband is the key to night wakings.  He is so good with her at night because I will feed and well, he doesn't have a milk booby :wink:  :lol:  He can usually get her back in 20 min or less whereas with me it will take much longer.  I also agree on the dreamfeed going to formula.  I think that could very well solve some issues for you.  If your lo downs 12 oz, unless you are committed to pumping I don't see that working for you. (this is coming too from a dedicated pumper who gets 7 oz in 5 min)  I seem to be a rare case though, and that is after months and months of working a pump schedule.  You can slowly introduce formula to him- I would avoid the milk based ones as you are so worried about allergies.  I think Deb and Heather could have a formula suggestion for you- b/c of reflux, etc?

Heather- I have the same Hyland teething tabs that JulieB uses and also Camilia by Boiron.  I got those at the local organic food store. Tabs pretty cheap but the Boiron was a little pricey at $11 but seems to be stronger.  Both seems to really help Eirwen, even better than motrin sometimes, but tylenol does help her sleep.  I don't like medicating her but there is nothing else to do.  Yesterday we had meltdown after meltdown and poor naps :cry: then she woke up at 9:00pm screaming holding her head. This morning is even worse...I honestly don't know how parents survive these times.  I mean when they are hungry you feed, tired they sleep but this teeth thing. I feel like I can't do anything for her.  I guess that is why I personally don't feel bad loading her up on remedies.  I mean the poor baby can't even sleep! (which she loves) and sucking her thumb is not nice right now.  I'm at a loss.  Wait! I know how they survived by rubbing alcohol on their gums...guess we can't do that now huh :wink:

Deb- as you can see from my reply to Heather I am right there with you!  Eirwen cried 2 hrs at the doc yesterday and she got so splotchy and red that the nurse asked "is she here for that rash?"  Noooooo :roll: I told them we are both fair and I am the same way.  I felt so bad for her.  She was soooo tired too (missed nap) and hungry (didn't take a full feed).  I hate it when people look at you like a bad mom when your baby cries.  Everyone kept asking me what was wrong with her.  I kept saying "she has a front tooth coming in and missed her nap."  People looked at me like I was nuts.  I guess they just let their babies pass out wherever when they get tired.  GRRRRR  I was so stressed yesterday and had a total meltdown that dh came home from work to help me with house stuff (if all of this wasn't enough we have a flea nightmare in our house and everything must be washed, sprayed, etc.)  I am so glad you have a helper.  I told dh too yesterday that if we weren't moving I would need at least a maid to come in once a week.  I just cannot keep up. :oops:

Your babies will forgive you. I admit it yesterday I stopped "comforting" her at the docs.  The crying had just gone on too long.  I looked at her and said "you just let it out ok and I'll be right here." :cry:

Feel free to PM me about your meds.  I have been going through a similar thing as well.

US- well all of the above was us. :roll:   The only thing to add to this is that Eirwen's ped does think she needs an ultrasound of her hips. Her folds/rolls are fine, but her left one is I guess VERY flexible which could be why she is not bearing weight on her legs.  He also wants to get me on a waiting list for a pediatric neurologist just because they schedule so far out, so if she continues to be behind in gross motor skills she'll have an apt.  It is strange though because she is "ahead" in other areas.  He did not believe me about the pincer grip but she showed him. :wink: Basically it is when the child is behind in more than one area that they start to get really worried, which she is not.  He said it was also kind of strange because she is now sitting so well. :? So I guess all of this is precautionary which is good, but stressful because I don't want something to be wrong. :(

Our routine- gone to hell.  we try to stick to feed times and our bedtime but naps are now by luck or after she's been up 3+ hrs and is exhausted.

Welcome Sandie!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 02, 2005, 14:30:34 pm
Debra and Branwen, I'm so sorry for the hard times you are going through.  Kelsey's teething seems to be coming and going.  Some days she's miserable, other's she's manageable.  I will have to search for the teething tablets.
Debra, we all have those moments when we say something we don't mean.  The important thing is that you don't mean it, but it helps to vent some frustration.  I know that none of us want to do it in front of our lo's, but it happens that way sometimes.  You are a very strong woman to being caring for 2 small children full time, a fine example to all of us for all of the hard work you have put in to caring for them and their particular needs.  Think of all the strides you have taken to understand them and relate to them.  Your girls will be all the better for the love you are giving them.  {{{HUGS}}}
And Branwen, I totally understand the way people make you feel when you're trying your best to console a crying baby.  I just want to say, "don't you remember that you were a baby once, too?"  Grrrr is right.  You're doing wonderful and react the best ways possible to her needs.  {{{HUGS}}}
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 02, 2005, 17:37:07 pm
Debra, you NEED to make a doctor's appointment for yourself, right away :!:   You have to help yourself first and then you'll have more patience for the Olivia and Alex.

It's terrible when they go thru the teething stuff.  So far we've only have one bad time that lasted about 48 hrs.  We kept giving infant advil.  What are you using for pain relief?  With us the tylenol did nothing and the advil was like a miracle.  Try different medications.  Don't worry about giving it lots, because it's only going to be for a couple of days. 

Another suggestion is to get dh to take over with Olivia once he's home from work, again I wouldn't feel bad about asking this cause it's only short term.

When I'm about to lose it I turn away and say loudly 'deep breath...deep breath' as I breath deeply and this helps a little.  Also, Emily finds this interesting and her mood relaxes which inturn relaxes me.  This is kind of silly but I find that if I look at Emily's feet I think...oh they're so cute and how can I get mad at this cute little foot.  That also helps me.

Oh another idea...plop both of them down in front of the TV and put on your Baby Einstein videos.  Even if it's just for 15mins it could give you a breather.

Remember to check in with your doctor. (I hope I'm not being too forceful but I soooo want you to feel good again.)  I'll be thinking of you.

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 02, 2005, 17:50:08 pm
deb & branwen - (((((HUGS))))) deb, it's now the weekend for you, and branwen you're almost there!!!

i'm in the same teething boat.  luke's been working on 2 and they WON'T CUT THROUGH  :evil:  he's spent the last couple of days with his fist permanently jammed into his mouth chomping away.

question 1:  how can you get a non-mobile baby to expend more energy?  luke was up at 5am  :!: not crying or anything, but he spent close to 2 hours just kicking his mattress.  i need to get this out of him during the day!

question 2:  has anyone started their period again yet?  i guess i'm mainly asking those of you who were bf and then switched to ff.... but i'm just wondering.  haven't seen mine yet & quit nursing over a month ago.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 02, 2005, 18:23:08 pm
Jaime, I actually got mine at 3 months while I was still nursing.  Now they are worse than they've ever been, and I'm on the pill.  I felt so sick last month, that if I hadn't known any better I would have swore I was pregnant.  But I'm not :!:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 02, 2005, 18:26:14 pm
We had an interesting night.  Asher went to bed late because we had a bunch of high school kids over.  He slept until 3 AM without waking (unusual, but he was exhausted).  Since he normally eats between 12:30-2:30, I decided to see if I could hold him off.  He fussed for a minute or two and slept another 50 minutes.  I resettled again and he didn't wake until 6:20!  :shock:   I thought he HAD to be starving for sure, but I just went in and gave him his luvie.  I got back to bed and expected to hear him within 5 min.  BUT HE WENT RIGHT BACK TO SLEEP!!  :shock:  :D  Then I got him up at 7 am as normal.  I couldn't wipe the smile off my face this morning!  I know he didn't sleep through, but with no night feedings, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel!!  :D  :D  Maybe we'll give this another try tonight.

Deb: I certainly hope you get some rest!  There is hope, teething doesn't last forever!  Here's hoping tomorrow is better!  And I can relate on the whining and comment you made.  I only have one, but some days his whining drives me absolutely bonkers.   :shock:   Those days I try to get out and go somewhere.  It seems to distract him long enough to stop the whining until we get back home.   :roll:

Deborah: Thanks for all the ideas in the PM!  Not too sure what we'll try tonight.  I'll have to talk to DH and see what he thinks.

Branwen:  I had to laugh about the "rash."  Asher gets that when he cries a lot as well.  Looks kinda like a clown because his eyelids get so red.  My Dad & his wife were watching Asher and panicked when they saw this "rash" break out (duh, he was just mad because you didn't follow Mama's directions!  :? ).   :roll:   Does anyone else write out two pages of directions when you leave your LO with family or a sitter?   :lol:   They all think I'm crazy until Asher starts yelling -- then they're scrambling to read the notes!

Jaime:
  I think kicking the mattress is actually a phase or new skill.  Asher expells PLENTY of energy through the day, but he STILL kicks on his back like a madman.  I think he's going to launch off sometimes.   :shock:   Or hurt his heels!  My friend's baby started doing this as well a month ago.  I joke that Asher actually has Restless Leg Syndrome.  I honestly don't think he can control himself sometimes!  :shock:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 02, 2005, 18:33:07 pm
"Restless Leg Syndrome"-I'm glad to have a name for it.  I can't change a diaper anymore because her legs are going a mile a minute.  I wonder where's she's trying to go; it looks like she's riding a bike like Lance Armstrong!  When I lay her in her crib, there's usually one good slam of her legs on the mattress as she's settling.
Forget the notes to the sitter or family, I have to leave them for dh  :roll: .  Right down to how many scoops of food, and which outfit and where it is in the dresser.  Now, this may sound nit-picky, but he will always find the few things that don't fit or aren't seasonal.  I mean really, the current stuff is in the top drawer, who goes all the way to the bottom?
But, yes, I leave detailed notes for everyone-what time, what to do, what she will do, why she will do it, all other possible things she might do, what she will want to do, etc...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 02, 2005, 18:40:23 pm
oh good, i'm glad i'm not the only one who has "baby riverdance"  :!:  :roll:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 02, 2005, 18:53:43 pm
Maya pounds the mattress too, even in her sleep.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 02, 2005, 19:10:50 pm
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oh good, i'm glad i'm not the only one who has "baby riverdance"  :!:  :roll:  :lol:  :lol:

ROTFLMBO  :lol:  :lol:

What a funny way to think of it.  Still laughing!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 02, 2005, 19:55:22 pm
I did not realize I haven't posted or read in such a long time - things have been HECTIC at work and then evenings I am exhausted ... I am glad to see you are all here still as I have a question.
Lise started crying everynight - about 1hr30min after I firts put her down - I then give her a paci and back to sleep again and so it goes through the night (this from a baby who only woke around 6:00am after she was put down at 7:00) - I think teething might have something to do with it but I don't want her to start using me as a prop (she never cryed for her paci before - she at times refuses it!!) :?
Any ideas?
and on this note I will tell my REALLY BAD experience ... yesterday night Lise woke up at 3:30 am crying as if in pain She had a runny nose and was just feeling miserable the whole day. So I decide to give her some Panado (like Tylenol) ... I mixed the panado with some gripe water and added some rescue remedy (herbal product) for good measure - gave her the concoction as my dh calls it and back to bed. I suddenly sat right up as I realized I had give her 4ml in one go instead of the 0.6-1.2ml (infant drops so stronger!!) recommended for babies under 1 year. needless to say I panicked!!!! :!: Luckily my dh is a family doc so ... after a BIG SPEECH about needlessly medicating the baby - he told me it was OK. I gave her the ENTIRE dose for one day in ONE GO! I am still horrified in thinking I did this - my only excuse is I was still sleeping. I have now decided to premix her medicine for the night. Anyway - I am still feeling like a really bad mother :(
On a lighter note - Lise started going "forward". I would not call it crawling as yet - Pushes up on all fours and then pusher forward an plops down on her tummy!! To cute but not so good for the reflux.

 
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has anyone started their period again yet? i guess i'm mainly asking those of you who were bf and then switched to ff.... but i'm just wondering. haven't seen mine yet & quit nursing over a month ago.
I got mine about 6 weeks after I finally quit - was VERY heavy and then again 2 weeks after I finshed I started again!! No fun welcoming this back into my life!!

Baby river dance!! what a great description ... yes I can relate!!!

We are FINALLY christening Lise on Sunday - had such a hard time finding a sunday my dh. my fil and my dad was all available ... so - just before she can walk to the alter - we will have the christening. My mom has been slaving away making (mostly handmade!!) a stunning dress - will post pictures next week.

Enjoy the weekend!! And I wish you all a RESTFULL night with NO NIGHT WAKINGS!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 02, 2005, 22:57:30 pm
I'm cracking up here!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   "riding a bike like Lance Armstrong" "baby riverdance"

Have you guys been spying on me & Asher?   :wink:

I can see the next baby einstien video now..."baby riverdance"   :lol:

We are having SUCH a good day today!  You know, I love Asher with all my heart, but I love him just a little bit more on days he takes two hour naps.   :lol:   I got my 6 mth photos back from Penney's today.  Here's the little firecracker!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 02, 2005, 22:58:33 pm
Here's the two others...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 03, 2005, 00:10:30 am
Debra - So sorry to hear you're having a tough few days/week.  Hugs and strength to you. 

Branwen - Hope all is ok with Eirwen's hips.  And let's hope it doesn't go so far that she'll need to see the neurologist.  I'm completely on board with giving them meds when they're teething. The poor little things are in alot of pain, and I don't know about you, but when I'm in pain, a little Tylenol always helps.  So I figure if I'd give some to myself, she probably needs it too.  (poor little things)  I think Kinlagh is fighting with another tooth herself.  It's never easy.

Jaime - Question 1:  I see Luke already has a exersaucer.  I find 3 things work.  Putting Kinlagh in her exersaucer, giving her tummy time, and fresh air.  We often sit out on the front porch on her blanket and she loves it.
Question 2:  It took me about 2 months to get "regular" again after switching from bf to ff. 
Baby riverdance - too cute.  I guess we're all there!

Heather - I thought I was pregnant the first few months after stopping bf too.  The same feelings throughout.  Weird.

Julieb - WOW, Asher slept thru (sort of).  Way to go.  And LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the pics.  Especially the one with his little coy smile (2nd one).  What a cutie.

Nikki - Welcome back.  As for Lise's night waking 1.5hours after bedtime...Kinlagh has been doing the same but I don't think she fully wakes.  We just leave her and will only go to the rescue if it escalates.  I'm wondering, is Lise really crying or just settling herself.  Just a thought.

US - I guess you can see above what's going on.  Teething is the biggest issue.  But she's all in all, doing very well.  No complaints here.   Just looking forward to the long weekend to spend with DH.  In laws are here til who knows when, so it'll be nice to get out of the house with dh  (remember, no car during the week - eek!!).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 03, 2005, 00:29:00 am
Julie-those are awesome pictures!  You picked alot of them, and I can't blame you.  My favorite is the 3rd with his arms out front.  So sweet.

I'm going to post some pics from the park today in the Photo Gallery.  I forget about it, but it's always fun to look at pics.

Nikki-I'm with Michelle.  Give Lise a few minutes to make sure she's not just having a sleep transition and she might resettle.  Of course, you know her best and that might not be the case at all.

So, let's all try to get clips of "baby riverdance" and post them to jusspress.com.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 03, 2005, 00:57:23 am
Wow! So many new posts! You go girls!  :wink:

Vidya - Beautiful picture! Love the earings.

Hello Schae! Glad to see your back!  :D

Deb - We're here for you!!!!!!! You just spill your guts whenever you feel like it! Doesn't it feel good to just get it out!?!?! I hope things are going better. I agree with Tarri, make yourself an appointment with the doc.

Jaime - Leah woke this morning at 6 am. Normal wake up time isn't until 6:30-7. Grrrr She was playing in the crib so I left her for a half and hour, till she got mad! I dont' know if this is related to going back to work or what?

Julieb - Let us know if you can hold Asher off of night feedings again tonight. Last night Leah went from 7-4:30 before waking. She is sooo sporadic!!!!!! GREAT photos of Asher. What a handsome little man!!!!

Branwen - The nerve of people huh? Leah always cried at the doctor's office. Hope everything turns out OK with the testing. Leah has to have an ultrasound next week. See bottom of message to see why.

Nikki- Good luck with the Christening. Your DH is a doc huh? That must be nice for you! So, now we expect you to give us expert advice in the medical department!  :wink:

Michelle - I hope you get out of the house for the weekend! Car-less, mmmmmm, not sure I could do that all week! But I bet Kinlagh is on a good schedule becuase of it!   :wink:

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So, let's all try to get clips of "baby riverdance" and post them to jusspress.com.

Sounds like fun Heather!!!!!

US - Well...... Nightime is so sporadic right now. Some nights she's up a lot, then last night she only got up once! Who knows........
Well, since everyone else has issues I guess I'll talk about ours too! Near the end of my pregnancy I had an ultrasound and they realized one of Leah's kidneys is larger than the other. Since then, she has had two ultrasounds. The latest revealed that the kidney is still engorged. SO, my family doc is sending us to a urologist (sp?) next Thursday. They think it is Kidney Reflux? Anyone heard of it? I looked it up on the net and in a nutshell when she pees some of it flushes back up into the kidney. So she's prone to UTI's and Kidney infections. Anyhow, we see the urologist next Thursday and he'll let us know more details. If anyone knows anymore about the subject let me know!  :D

Take care all and have a great weekend!!! I know I am looking forward to relaxing after work this week. If I could just get DH to let me stay home.......  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 03, 2005, 01:06:28 am
Christine-I hope that is something that can correct itself.  I don't know anything about it, but I wonder if it's the same as what my SIL is experiencing.  She's pg and one kidney is larger than the other, causing her some discomfort and blood in the urine.  Poor Leah.
Branwen-I hope Eirwen's appt goes well.

And, girls, we're up to 40 pages already!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kiwi on September 03, 2005, 10:21:00 am
Hello everyone.

Well thank you for making me feel so welcome  :D  I’m looking forward to getting to know you all (and your children).
I’ve filled in the questionnaire below and have added “temperament” to the list too.

Cuteness – Extreme (but I am her mother!!)
Rolling – Yes, was only going one way for a while but has now got the gist of things and rolling both ways.
Crawling – Not yet, I wouldn’t be surprised if she just skips the crawling stage and goes straight to walking though as she loves to stand and holds herself up for ages.
Breast or Formula – Formula feed
Solids – Three times a day, cereal for breakfast, fruit for lunch and veggies for dinner.
Sleeping thru the night – has slept through the night (7pm – 7.15am ish) since 4 weeks old, except with growth spurt around 6 ˝ months old where she decided she wanted more bottles and then kept waking once in the night (which I think was due to a sore tummy) but once the extra feed stopped she went straight back to sleeping through the night.
Naps – three naps a day.
Sitting unassisted – yes.
Teeth – Two (first one on 26th August, second one on 2nd September)
Dreamfeed – Yes, every night around 10pm (loves it and drinks the whole bottle)
Morning wake up time – 7.15am ish.
Bedtime – 7pm
Favorite toy – not fussy, any will do.
Favorite Activity – playing with her toys on her play mat.
Lovie – hasn’t got attached to anything yet.
Excema – Yes - on her face, legs and a wee bit on her belly.
Reflux – A little in the first few months but all settled now.
Back or Belly sleeper – Back sleeper
Swaddle – ˝ swaddled (one arm out) but usually ends up with both out unless she’s really tired.
Paci – No - got rid of it when she was 6 ˝ months old, took about 1 ˝ hours of crying and then she was fine and hasn’t looked back since.
Sucks thumb – Occasionally, generally only if she’s tired.
Weight/Height – Approx 10kgs, very tall (everyone comments on her height). Have a plunket visit on Thursday (1st one since she was 5 ˝ months) so will see how much she has grown then.
Eye/Hair color – Lovely brown eyes with long eyelashes, Sandy blonde hair colour.
Work or SAHM – Work 2 days a week at the office and do a wee bit of work from home. Crystal absolutely loves going to her carer who has a two year old daughter and they get on great.
Name & origin – Crystal. Her name was chosen by her dad (he said it popped into his head when he was driving home the night I had her) I wasn’t keen on it at first until my midwife visited the next day, she asked me if I liked crystals and when I said her I did she gave me one that she had had in her pocket the night Crystal was born. As far as I was concerned that was the sign that Crystal was to be her name and now I’m so glad we called her that as she suits it down to the ground.
I'm a - Girl/Boy - Girl
My Birthday – 2nd January 2005 at 12.30am (in labour all of new years day).
First, second, third child of how many? -  First of at least two more !!
Ticklish – a wee bit, not overly.
Temperament – Lovely, lovely girl. Sooooo placid and easily adaptable to most situations. She’s a Textbook girl with a few angel attributes thrown in. I am keeping everything crossed that any others will be just like her.

Crystal was a “whoops how did that happen” kind of pregnancy. It was totally unexpected but obviously the right time. I am so glad she happened, I couldn’t be without her. She is the best thing that ever happened to us.

Anyway, I hope I haven’t bored you all too much...  :roll:

Sandie

P.S. I love the photos that you’ve put up on the thread of the kids, what beautiful, gorgeous children they are !!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 03, 2005, 15:18:29 pm
Jaime- before I forget- do you have a jumper?  This might be really great for Luke. Eirwen was/is not very "active" physically (no rolling, rocking, pushing up etc) but also pounds the crib too.  It took her awhile to figure out the jumper but now that she has the hang of it she will gladly jump for 15 min or more :shock: It does tire her out and is also helping her learn to put weight on her feet. :D  Also- I'm still nursing and no sign of the period as yet- although I do get that feeling occassionally in my low back but nothing happening yet.  My SIL said it took her a year to get back on track after stopping bf in the 2nd month.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 03, 2005, 16:09:46 pm
Just wanted to post my good news really quick...

ASHER SLEPT THROUGH THE NIGHT!  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :D  :D

I woke up multiple times and just as tired as usual, but...

ASHER SLEPT THROUGH THE NIGHT!!  :D  :D

He went down for my MIL without a peep at 7 pm and didn't hear from him until 6:20 am!

Woot!  Woot!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 03, 2005, 18:53:06 pm
Happy day! Happy day! Good for Asher!!!!!!!! I understand how you feel though. How come when they sleep thru, you can't !  : :D Congrats and here's wishing you another night of sleep!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 03, 2005, 19:08:48 pm
Way to go, Asher!  I bet you feel like a new woman, Julie!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kiwi on September 03, 2005, 21:30:30 pm
That's great news Julie. Well done Asher  :D  :D  :D

Sandie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 03, 2005, 22:28:40 pm
That's great news JulieB!  Way to go Asher!!!  Woot woot for sure!

Can I interrupt and share my good news?  Kinlagh pulled herself up from a sitting position today.  We got in on film so hope it turned out.  If so, we will post to http://www.jusspress.com.  Yay !
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 03, 2005, 23:22:05 pm
Michelle!  Oh my goodness! That is so great!  I LOVE the video!!!  She is adorable!  And you look like such a happy happy mommy! :D  :D  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 03, 2005, 23:46:54 pm
well done asher - keep it up - am so happy for you Julie.

Michelle - i know Kinlagh is 1 month older but it keeps blowing my mind with all these great videos. she is awesome - good girl!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 04, 2005, 00:44:47 am
Julie-love Asher's videos.  What is that new toy and where did you get it?
Michelle-how neat for Kinlaugh.  Looks like you all had a fun day.  I might try the zoo this fall with Kelsey.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 04, 2005, 02:20:47 am
Heather, it's from fisher price, I think it was from last year's line.  I found it at the second hand store for only $12!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 04, 2005, 10:36:52 am
hi all - first of all thank you all for yor support.  yesterday (sat) was probably rock bottom as i almost felt as bad as i did when i was diagnosed with PPD. today was Father's Day here and i had the girls on my own until Dh got up at 10am and then i took alex out and did the grocery shopping (usually a Dh task) so dont feel like i have had a good break today, but it went better than the rest of the week.

i don't know when Olivia will get a bloody tooth but we are medicating her every 4 hours and she only eats well after the meds and it is like clockwork around 3hr 30 after dose leads to sudden change in behaviour cryig and getting fussy and then we give panadol (like tylenol) and 15 min later she is happy again.she is drooling like mad and chewing on everything.  at least she is eating better this weekend.

also - today she finally did a 1hr 30 morning nap (yay) but of course then only did a 45 mn for her 2nd nap (BOO) so i have decided i would rather have the day go 45 / 1hr 30 / 45 so i get the girls overlapping better.  see what happens now.

Julieb - your photos are awesome - Asher looks so great!

Tarri - thanks for all the advice.  Dh already does a lot when he comes home - he is in charge of olivia's bath and bedtime feed and DF. i also use the DVDs.. but will try your "deep breath" strategy - my therapist had told me about deep breathing as well to relax. sometimes to diffuse a situation i will stop and suddenly look down and start kissing and cuddling one of them - that usually breaks the moment and i feel loving instead of upset with them.

Jaime - got my first period about a month after switching to formula (have had 2 and am currently wondering where the heck this one is - so i can get back to normal)

Sandie - i almost had a heart attack when i saw crystal is 8 months old already and thought you were in the wrong place until i saw her birthdate - i cannot believe you guys with the January babies are 7 1/2 - 8 months old already!!!  :shock:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 04, 2005, 12:01:26 pm
Hello again...

Trying desperately to catch up on all the pages.. we're a real bunch of chatterboxes, I love it!

The videos are so cute. Think I should also add some, just scared of downloading stuff since we seem to get capped so easily.  :?

Deb: I so agree, cannot believe our babies are so big! I still feel like they're really young, but they're not. It's a happy and sad thing hey?
I'm sorry you've been going through such a hard time, hopefully things will only get better, coz once you hit rock bottom the only way is up after that. I know that sounds cliched, but I'm being entirely sincere.

Julie: WELL DONE ASHER!! That is really fantastic news! THe photos are also too cute.. I love how he poses.

Michelle: WELL DONE KINLAGH! Gosh, our kiddies are racing through the milestones.

Branwen: LOL @ Eirwen showing the doctor her pincer grasp. Our doc didn't believe me when I said Luka could crawl, he showed her too! haha! But it must be scary to go through this, I hope the neurologist gives you good luck. You also seem to be having a hard time, FLEAS!  :twisted: When are you guys moving?

Christine: Well wishes for the doctors visit too. I've never heard of kidney reflux, but it sounds painful. Poor Leah. I'll be thinking of you guys.

Sandie: I love the reason why you named your daughter Crystal. Lovely!

Jamie: I think the jumper idea is a good one for expending energy. We're also thinking of getting one.

Heather: I also give Luka bits of our soft food. I think it's fine.

Us: We're doing okay I guess. Some days are good, others are really bad. He doesn't consistently put himself to sleep which is a struggle as we have to pat/shh for ages. PU/PD makes him furious. We had a bit of a tooth come through, but now it seems to have disappeared again :? Odd hey? And Luka has a rash which we think may have been caused by gem squash. We changed his soap (don't know why  :roll: ) and he got the rash and that same night he had eaten gem squash for the first time. So, we're not sure what's going on. If it isn't gone by tomorrow, we're off to the doc.
 :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 04, 2005, 14:06:27 pm
Hi Everyone,  I've read your posts but no time to reply because my parents are up for a few days visiting.

But I did add a video to jusspress and I loved watching everyone elses.

http://www.jusspress.com/new.php?userid=23415&currentDate=20050903&imageNum=0

Tarri
Title: Christening
Post by: herbst99 on September 04, 2005, 18:01:33 pm
GREAT JOB ASHER!!!
jip mom - I woke up eveytime Lise was suppose to wake up - and the CHECKED to see that she was still asleep - It is a wonder I didn't wake her up!!

Well we had the christening today - SIXTEEN people over for Lunch - Luckily I am very good at delegating and had lots of help. Am still tired though. So Lise is Christened LISE ANNE (from Annelise - my mom's name). My mom made her dress and basically hand made the entire dress!! I'll post a picture - and then of to bed as I have SOOOOOO much to do tomorrow - new nanny starting so please think of my SPIRITED babe and especially her new nanny!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 04, 2005, 18:31:30 pm
Well, Asher didn't sleep through last night (woke 4x), but I was able to hold off feeding him!  We'll see how this goes.

I'm supposed to go to my mom's to hang out with family today.  My sister is sick (since Wed).  I've read about contagiousness for 5 days.  She's so annoyed because I don't want Asher around her right now.  She thinks I'm being overly protective and I should expose ( :shock:  :!: ) him some time and now's as good a time as any.  I don't vaccinate, so I am extra cautious.  But I know PLENTY of moms who won't expose their vaccinated kids to a sick person either!  Who wants a sick baby on their hands?!   :?  What do you all do with your LO when you know someone is sick?

Deb: Sorry to hear about your week/weekend.  Tomorrow starts a new week -- and hopefully a better one!  I read you can alternate motrin & tylenol so you don't end up overdosing on one (read on askdrsears.com).

Schae: LOVE your new avatar photo!  Luka looks so fun!  The tooth prolly disappeared because the gums swelled up around it.  You'll see it again soon (per the dentist I asked, this also happened to Asher's first tooth).  I noticed PU/PD isn't working like it used to anymore either.  We pretty much just do the PD part like Tracy's book suggests since he sits up/rolls into a crawl postition/stands up/etc.  That's much better.  If I pick him up, he gets annoyed.  Have you tried having your DH put him to bed?  It used to take me 1-2 hours a night when Asher was younger -- until I had DH do it for two days in a row.  Worked like a charm!   :D

Tarri: Fun video!  I keep accidentally turning my camera sideways as well!   :lol:

Nikki: Lovely photo of your family!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 04, 2005, 21:48:43 pm
Hi Everyone:

I know I've dissapeared for awhile.  We were in a hotel for a week due to no electricity after Katrina hit Florida (at only a level 1).  It was very tiring what with going back and forth to our house to make sure our animals were okay (hot hot hot in the house!!!), running the generator to make formula and try not to lose everything in the fridge, etc.  but considering what that storm did to Miss. La, and Al. I feel like I cant complain at all. 

Anyway,  I have great news.  Matty is sleeping through the night!!!!

He goes to bed about 7:30 and sleeps through to about 6:30 or sometimes 7 or even 7:30.  I dont know if the BW police will be after me if I tell you how I did it  so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - Okay, I'll tell you...........


we let him cry.  Yes, I know its horrible.  But we monitored him, and didnt let it go for very long.  and honestly, when I first tried it with the pu/pd, he cried much harder and got so upset! then when I just let him cry. 

His naps are much better too.  The irony is, we had just started getting good at the sleeping, when five days into the CIO we had to leave the house due to the electricity being out.  Considering he was in a different bed in a hotel room, he did really well.  He still cries sometimes during naps, but usually stops in a short time and sleeps for a good 1.45 hrs much of the time (but not all, especially when he is teething).

Also, we can see a little tiny white tooth coming through!
JulieB, Asher's pics are great. 

I am trying to find the time to read through all the posts but quite honestly, its getting a bit difficult to keep up!

Anyway, I dunno who asked about periods, but I can tell you that I stopped BF (Matty's choice, not mine) about three weeks ago and got my period a week ago.  It was very light.  I was actually glad to see it as I was experiencing PMS for about a month!

Keep posting everyone

hugs

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 04, 2005, 22:35:32 pm
Questions:

1. What is the cream that has been mentioned for skin problems?  Its homeopathic or something?

2.  Who has dropped the DF?  Matty just turned 7 mos.  is it time to drop the dream feed?  Im afraid to as he has only been sleeping through the night for a week or two now.

3.  Does BW recommend feeding solids first then bottle(breast)? or is it bottle first then solid?

I just read all the posts.  The pictures are beautiful, Heather, Christine and everyone.

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 05, 2005, 00:14:32 am
JulieB, congratulations on Asher's good night :) .  I hope he keeps it up.  We're starting to get quite a few good nights mixed in with the not so good nights.  Well, I just read your last post.  I guess the main thing is to keep trying to hold off on the feeding and hopefully sleeping thru will come along more consistently.  I know we're slowly getting there.

Christine,  I hope your doctor appointment goes okay.

Sandie, Welcome!

Debra, hope your dh had a good father's day.  At least you know the problem with Olivia is her teething and that there will be an end in sight  :wink: .

Schae, sorry that putting Luka to sleep isn't going so well.  It could be the teething thing.  I know when Emily was teething all her naps and nighttime sleep were horrible and she's usually very good about putting herself to sleep.

Julie, the cream I use is calendula.  I think JulieB recommeded it but I couldn't get just the pure gel like she suggested.  We haven't droped the dreamfeed mostly because she eats dinner at 5:30 but she df's at 8:30 and only 5 oz.

Nikki, oh my gosh...Lise looks like a doll! :)

Us, we had a great 3 night visit with my parents here.  Emily loved having an audience for everything.  She's started making a new kind of high pitched squealing talking noise.  And I think she's working up to another bout of teething...but so far so good.  I haven't had much progress on nap #2.  We're still at 45mins max and I don't do an official catnap anymore, she only naps in the car or on the boat on the way home.  If we're not going anywhere I stroll her to give her a break but she doesn't fall asleep in it.  I'm hoping to stretch nap#2 to 1:30, but so far she's falling asleep on the change table if I just wait till 1:15pm.

Have a good night everyone.  Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 05, 2005, 00:47:18 am
Nikki, beautiful photo.  Congratulations on Lise's Christening.  That is very special.

Deb-soooo sorry for the rough time you are going through.  I know that noone can relate unless they've been through PPD, and even then I'm sure it's different for everyone.  Out of curiosity, have you read Brooke Sheilds' book?

Julieb-Kelsey is vaccinated, and I wouldn't dare knowingly take her near someone who is sick.  Even vaccinated children get sick.  You did the right thing absoultely.

Julie #2  :wink: , I'm sorry you had to relocate due to the hurricane.  I hope all will be well for you.  I couldn't imagine going through that ordeal with a baby to care for.
Don't feel bad about CIO.  If Kelsey cries out in her naps, I know she is not rested and just having trouble resettling.  I don't go in anymore because I know it will make it harder for her, but there is a point when I know she's not going to make it on her own, too.  Now she can sleep for 1.5-2 hours and mostly not ever cry out.  PU/PD helped her to be able to go down initially on her own, but never worked for me to extend her naps.  Her body just sorted that out on her own.  I think I worsened the problem early on by always rushing in at 30 minutes and not giving her a chance.  Many people's babies cry out at the 20, 30, or 45 minute mark and resettle if given the chance.  I think it's accidental parenting that Tracy calls it.
I give solids before the bottle for breakfast and lunch just because it works better for us.  For dinner I give the bottle at 4, then solids at 5:30 per some recommendations I got from these girls here.  I think it might be 7 months that Tracy recommends dropping the df, but we did it a long time ago so I'm not sure.  It just depends on your lo.  All you can do is try and see if he wakes in the night hungry.  If so, reinstate it the next night and try again later.

Christine-Happy 7 months to Leah!

Us-I definitely see a tooth working it's way to the top (if not 2), but she's not near as grumpy as she has been.  I guess it will start up again when the teeth starts breaking through.  I posted some video at jusspress.com and am about to post the "baby riverdance" and some bath time.  When Branwen mentioned that Eirwen mocked her banging cups together, I tried it with Kelsey, and now she does it in the bath.  Too cute!
Happy Labor Day to my fellow Americans!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 05, 2005, 01:25:00 am
Quote from: hwcampbell
Christine-Happy 7 months to Leah!
Happy Labor Day to my fellow Americans!

You are so kind to think of Leah!
Happy 7 months to our dear Kelsey too!  :D
Happy Labor Day too! No work tomorrow!  :D  :D  :D So I promise to post more and catch up with everything going on!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 05, 2005, 11:28:54 am
wow - gone for 3 days & there are 3 brand new pages!!!!  we are quite the chatty bunch. 

been awol cause we also got luke baptized on saturday, so we had my parents in town, and the ILs at our house, so couldn't really use the computer much.  still need to fake a pic of luke by himself in his baptism outfit, and will post when i do (hopefully today).  have lots of pix in my camera that need to be downloaded....

thanks for the info on your periods.... just wanted to see if i was still within normal limits! 

good suggestion on the jumper.  i had been toying with the idea, since he does go to town in the exersaucer.  will see what i can find in the secondhand shops.

Deb - wish i had some wise words for you, but i haven't had full-blown ppd, so i can't entirely relate.  i 'hope' you have hit rock bottom so you can start to pull back out of the slump.  miss *seeing* you on this thread.  hope that blasted tooth breaks out soon.

Nikki - good to hear from you too!  16 people for lunch!  :shock:  you're braver than i - we only did 10.  that picture is beautiful... and that dress is gorgeous!!  what a great heirloom too, since your mom made it.

Julieb - those pix of asher are great.  your favorite one made me crack up... not entirely sure why though!  think my favorite one was the 2nd one, where he was smiling while sitting.  and he slept through the night!!!!  yay!!!!!!!!!  the waking the next night was probably just a little regression, and totally normal, and the fact that you didn't have to feed him is fantastic!!!  re the sick people, i do try and avoid sick people, but sometimes it's unavoidable (like a family gathering).  in that case i try to stay away from the infected person, and never let them hold the baby.  my philosophy is a bit different from yours though - i would rather them be sick now & build up antibodies now so they aren't as sick (or sick more often) when they start school - the haven for nasty bugs.  and no, i don't go exposing luke to sick people on purpose, but i will pretty much take him anywhere (except the church nursery until after 9 months)  :D

Michelle - pulling up?!  these babies are getting so big!!  :D

Christine - early wakings are very probably part of a whole new routine.  every once in a while luke does the same thing.  after about a month she should be used to it all and much more predictable (i can get luke to sleep in on the weekends!!)  it does get easier.  i hope the kidney thing sounds scarier than it really is and can self-correct.  keep us posted & hope it all turns out well.

Schae - welcome back!!  cute new avatar!  hope you figure out what caused the rash.  could be soap or food!!!  likely food if the rash is just around the diaper area - if it's everywhere i would guess soap.  we have sensitive skin around here too - can only use 1 soap on grownups & 1 soap on babies!!!!

JulieG - good to see you again too!!!  did not realize you were also in FL!  hope things are closer to normal now....  YAY on sleeping through the night!!!!  you must feel fantastic!  to answer your questions.... i have never done a DF.  Julieb recommended the cream but i forget what it was called.  i do bottle & then solids about an hour later.  think order depends on your lo.  milk is more important now.

Happy Labor Day to other Americans as well.  afraid i will be doing actual 'labor' today.  i have tons of work that needs to be done - spent the weekend playing instead!   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 05, 2005, 15:45:06 pm
Hi everyone!

Julie G- it is so good to hear from you!  I have been wondering where you and Matty had gone.  I second Heather's comments about CIO.  I do let Eirwen cry a little during transition and at the beginning of a nap, esp since I know she can do it alone, and sometimes it seems she actually needs this release.  I know I'm not supposed to plug other books but BabyWise does use the CIO method and talks about the benefits to this if you want some reassurance.  It all made sense but I knew I personally couldn't do it.  I am just happy you found a method that works for you!

The cream is called Calendula.  It is AMAZING and has worked wonders on Eirwen's skin.  I got it online but did see it at my local organic store.

Nikki- you are a STUNNING family.  Congrats! :D

JulieB- I generally don't want Eirwen around sick people but I have also read that when it comes time for school, esp children who don't go to daycare (even vaccinated ones) end up very sick because they don't have antibodies...weren't exposed...so I guess I agree with Jaime.  Can I ask your reasons for not vaccinating?  I have been but I have been reading more and am upset I did this one and have now decided against the flu shot for her because of the mercury.  But it is also important to note that you are breastfeeding so Asher will have lots of antibodies from you, but I'm sure you know this :wink: I am happy to hear about your great night and sad to hear about the second...he seems to be a very spirited fellow :P

Tarri- Emily is so cute in that jumper!   

Schae- good to hear from you!

Sandie- Your little one sounds brilliant!  Post us some pictures :D

Christine- I will be thinking of little Leah- I hope she's ok too!

Us- We are doing AEAES now-naps come 15 min after solid meals.  It is just the only way it is seeming to work of late :?  I get either 45 1.5 45 or one 2 hr nap per day.  It kind of depends on her state of being...sometimes there is no nap in the afternoon.  Teeth seem better today but peaks in the afternoon and she rolls around in her crib holding her head crying. :cry: Tarri-Advil seems to work better for her than the Motrin! Thanks!

Dh and I noticed in the jumper yesterday that she actually only jumps on the right leg.  I feel like the worst mommyever for not noticing before.  She would just get so busy bouncing in there and make such noise I just assumed :oops:  So we propped her to tilt to the left and nope! would not put weight on that leg.  So that is worrysome.

Good news though- She rolled to the right from tummy to back all by herself today!!!! :D  :!:  YAY!  And she can pick up and hold a cherrio with her thumb and forefinger! YAY!  She wouldn't eat them but LOVED playing with them. 8)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 05, 2005, 17:27:10 pm
Woot Woot!   :D  Asher slept through the night again!  7:30 pm until we woke him up at 7 am!  And I practically slept through myself!  Almost 7 hours straight!  I haven't slept in that long of a stretch since before I was PG!   :lol:   Thank you all for giving me the courage to hold off his night feedings!

Julie: Good to hear from you!  Glad your family is safe!  The cream (it also comes as lotions and gels) is calendula and yes, it's homeopathic.  I'm still feeding breast first, and plan to continue until I wean him.

Heather: what's your jusspress.com/?? website?

Jaime/Branwen: I keep hearing about the antibodies thing, but I've never actually READ it anywhere yet.  And since I'm BFing and we DO go out to the grocery store and such, wouldn't he be getting my antibodies and building immunities of his own all the time?  I always hear and read about BF babies getting sick less often and that's why we should BF, blah, blah, blah -- so you'd think *not* getting sick is the point, whether now or later.  Well, I plan to homeschool anyway, so I guess it won't matter much!   :wink:

Branwen: re: vaccinating...I recommend a good book called "What your Doctor may not tell you about children's vaccinations" by Stephanie Cave, MD.  She is not pro or against, she says to vaccinate or not to vaccinate is individual, based on the particular child and/or vaccine.  She gives a lot of good info about the vaccines, how to vaccinate safer, and posts her recommended delayed schedule that she uses in her own office.  We decided not to vaccinate because the current risks outweigh the current benefits in our case.  Because there may be a link between ADHD and vaccinations, and my DH has adult ADHD, we have no way of knowing how Asher may react to the vaccines.  We can control his enviroment and exposure to these diseases, but we cannot control how his body will react.
And YAY on the rolling!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 05, 2005, 17:40:35 pm
Our jusspress is http://www.jusspress.com/campbell0520
I have Julieb and Michelle and Tarri on my friends list

Branwen-every baby I've ever seen (including mine) tends to jump on one leg in the jumpster.  The twins across the street from me both jump on their left and they're 11 months old.  My nephew jumped on his right.  I wouldn't worry about it.  Any yay for rolling!  She's going to be just fine!!!   :D
Kelsey was born with "positional deformity" of her right foot from it being crammed in a funny position in my belly.  Her toes could almost touch her shin and it was "positioned" that way for a long time.  I had to work on streching the tendons, and eventually it straightened itself out.  (My brother was the same when he was born)  Anyway, point of the story, I was worried that she only put weight on her left leg, but she is totally fine.  We worry ourselves to death, don't we?
 Julieb-congrats on another great night!  And bf babies do get a ton of antibodies.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 05, 2005, 17:57:32 pm
Heya again!  Thanks for the compliments on the new avatar... they were taken just before his bath (favourite time of the day for him)  :D

Nikki: lovely photo of your family.

Julieb: Fantastic that Asher is sleeping through. I also wouldn't knowingly take Luka where I know a sick person is going to be and I vaccinate. It is awful when babies are ill. I've read up on vaccinating and delaying etc, it's amazing how where you live has such a big impact. Please forgive my ignorance but what is adult ADHD?

Julie (sedona): So glad to hear you and your family are okay.
Well done Matty on sleeping through!!  I also do bf first then solids, usually an hour or an hour and a half after milk he'll have solids.

Tarri: Isn't this new 'talking' phase just too cute?!

Jaime: Congrats on the christening. Looking forward to the pic. We're also looking for a jumper...

Branwen: Yay on the rolling!! Don't feel bad, you cannot know everything (even though as mom's we feel we're meant to) and if Eirwen has a difficulty with her hips, it has been noticed very early and I'm sure it will only get better. Hope the teething ends already!

Us:Went to the doctor and it turns out it's Luka's eczema flaring up again. He gave us some cream that should get rid of it quickly. I think I'll go and buy some calendula. It's the first flare up in months, we're heading towards summer here so I'm blaming the change of season.

At the doctors office, a 2 and a half year old managed to hit Luka on the head with a toy. My poor pumpkin cried so much  :( We held him after that, and when we finally got up the courage to allow him to sit on the floor next to dh's feet. playing with his OWN toy another little boy aged 20 months came and yanked it out of his hands. In slow motion we tried to stop Luka from falling, but he ended up on his back crying.  :cry: Took him to the feeding room and gave him a bit of boob for comfort and he stopped crying and smiled again. But it really broke my heart, I know it's going to happen as they get older, but I really don't know how I'm going to deal with it.  :?

Does anyone mind sharing their solids plan? We haven't really moved past veggies and fruit. What meal combos have you come up with?

 :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 05, 2005, 18:37:38 pm
Schae, I only do veggies and fruit right now.  I do fruit mixed with a cereal for breakfast, and fruit and veggie for lunch and dinner.  I plan to add meats and meat dinners (chicken/rice, etc) next month.  HTH

I'm working on the sippy cup.  I think she got turned off at first because she didn't like the water.  I tried half water and half applejuice and she still didn't care for it much.  So today, after holding off a few days, I put her formula in it, and when she realized this she wanted it, but could figure out the different spout.  She's get a bit and want more, but is trying to suckle it like a bottle nipple.  Any advice?  She's doing better on the veggie puffs, but what other finger foods should I try?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 05, 2005, 19:30:16 pm
Quote from: julieb
And since I'm BFing and we DO go out to the grocery store and such, wouldn't he be getting my antibodies and building immunities of his own all the time?  I always hear and read about BF babies getting sick less often and that's why we should BF, blah, blah, blah -- so you'd think *not* getting sick is the point, whether now or later. 

to a certain extent, yes.  and the bfing does help them be healthier in the long run - less likely to get sick.  however, most of the bugs passing around in schools are things like colds - and there are no vaccinations for those!  exposure to them as younger children will help them build antibodies so they don't necessarily get sick with the same ones when they're in school.

like i said, i don't go out of my way to get my kids sick.  and i try not to let them come in contact with sick people.  i won't go on a playdate with sick kids.  but i do take them lots of places (i guess along the same lines as you do), and you just never know....hope that makes a little more sense.  :D    and YAY on sleeping through again!!!!!!


branwen - yay on the rolling!!!

heather - cute site.  kelsey has some great smiles!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 05, 2005, 23:55:17 pm
JulieB, Heather, Michelle, I love watching your videos!  They're awesome!!!

Branwen,  Does Eirwen have his doctor's appointment soon?  It'll be good for you to hopefully get some answers about Eirwen's legs.  It must be worrying you.  Our naps are also all over the place.  I do consistently get 1.5hr nap1 and 45min nap2.  I keep increasing Emily's wake time between the naps hoping to get nap2 later and longer, so far we're at 2hrs & 45mins.

JulieB, Emily is vaccinated and if we go to family outings or shoppings we steer clear of sick people and I ask them outright if they're sick and if they are we change rooms!  Any luck with your avacados?  I gave Emily green beans this morning and got an 'ooh ick' response.

Heather, I give Emily just water out of the sippy.  She doesn't really hold it yet, but I let her play with it and help her sip when we come in from a hot walk outside or while eating solids.  I think it'll be awhile before she holds it on her own, but I think she's got lots of time to learn.  Oh and I'm going to try and set-up my camera for the riverdance shot.

Us, we're doing very well.  I'm just trying to get nap2 working well, no luck with that so far, but every few days I'm upping the wake time about 15mins so hopefully we'll get there.

Have a good night/day everyone!  Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 06, 2005, 01:45:59 am
Schae: ADHD -- attention deficit hyperactivity disorder -- It's a really popular and over diagnosed disorder in the US.  The rates of autism and ADHD have dramatically increased in the US over the last 20 years (hence the thought connection between these disorders and vaccines).

Heather: Maybe that's why Asher did well with the sippy cup?  I put EBM in it the first few times when he was learning.  Now I'm lazy and just put water in it.  I'm getting better at pumping (and have an abundant supply in the mornings when Asher sleeps through  :lol: ), so maybe I'll put some more EBM in there.  Kelsey will get better the more she practices.  Asher used to only get a little bit, now he seems to go for more.

Tarri: Be careful on the awake time.  It goes both ways!  Too little = short naps and too much = short naps!   :roll:   As if it wasn't hard enough!   :lol:  Avocadoes are getting better.  A friend said her DD only tolerated them watered down.  So I dilute them with EBM and make them quite creamy and watery.  I still only give him a small amount and follow each bite with a pear or banana chaser!   :wink:   But at least he's not gagging as much!   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 06, 2005, 02:00:34 am
Nikki, I forgot to comment on your beautiful photo of Lise and the family

Branwen, thank you for the warm welcome back.  its good to "see" you.
I also recommend the book that JulieB told you to read.  I am also choosing not to vaccinate, at least not until he is much older and then I will decide what and when.  I have done a great deal of research on this and I also work with so many kids with PDD (pervasive developmental disorders - Im a kid/family psychotherapist) so I have many concerns about adhd as Julie mentioned, PDD, autism, and autoimmune disorders and the possible link to some of the vaccines.

Schae, that is so upsetting about Luka's experience with the other kids at the doctors office.  I guess we'll all have to get used to things like that.

Jaina &  Luke's Mom:  Where in Florida are you?  We're in Fort Lauderdale

Sending hugs to everyone.  I get to sleep in tomorrow, I'm so excited!! lol


JulieG

ps - Matty has been teething a lot too.  He also kicks down on his mattress very often and I can hear him on the monitor at night.  Glad to know he's not the only horizontal riverdancer.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 06, 2005, 06:33:36 am
will come back on later - trying to get livvy to nap (only took a 30 min am nap and a 1hr 15 midday and now trying to get out of catnap  :roll: )

can't remember who (?Deborah)  i was telling abou the plastic photo album thathey can chew...but was on babycenter and saw they have the sassy version quite cheap (they are about $12 US here)

here's the link
http://store.babycenter.com/product/books_music_video/baby_toddler_books/soft_books_baby_toddler/2196?stage=all&lnprev=toys%2Ftoys_612months%2F&lnunfurl=toys%2Ftoys_612months%2F
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 06, 2005, 14:34:38 pm
I hope everyone had a good holiday weekend.  I don't have much time, but I wanted to share what we learned from the pediatric PT.  He said that she is only lacking about 10 degrees in rotation and 5 degrees in tilt.  He showed us how to do several different stretches, and we'll have to go back once a week for a few weeks, then once a month until she's about 1.

He gave us some background info on torticollis and what causes it as well as a printout of the recommended stretches.  I think it came from a website.  If I can find the URL, I'll post it.

He also warned us that the neurosurgeon we're seeing on Friday is not a proponent of helmut therapy, so we will probably not get a very objective opinion on whether or not it would be appropriate in Maya's case.  He also said there is now a center in Orlando (you used to have to go to Miami or Atlanta) that does the helmuts if we decide we want to pursue it.

Deb - Thanks for the info on the Sassy photo album.  It was me who was interested.  I found it at Target.

On illness and vaccinations - Whether your kids are vaccinated or not, it takes alot longer sometimes for them to fight off illness, so we are very careful who and what we expose her to.  When Maya was 3mos, MIL and SILs came for a visit.  The first night they were here, SIL came down with a violent stomach flu.  She kept insisting that it was "something she ate", even though we were all eating the same stuff.  Despite my request that she keep her distance from Maya, she kept picking her up, playing with her, etc.  Sure enough, Maya and I both came down with it the following week.  In adults, it lasted about 48 hours.  Maya had it for three weeks, and it was miserable for all of us.

More later...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 06, 2005, 14:58:54 pm
Wow! Do I feel far behind!!!!! That must be what happens when you go back to work. We had a faboulous weekend and I hope everyone else did too! Thanks for all the well wishes on Leah's doc appointment Thursday. Will let you all know what the urologist says. Pretty sure it is something she will eventually grow out of. I plan to check out everyones pics and videos on justpress.com today! I promise!!!!!!

 :?: Do you all have digital video cams? We don’t have one, but plan to get one soon. Anyone have a favorite? We love our digital picture camera.

Deb -
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so i have decided i would rather have the day go 45 / 1hr 30 / 45 so i get the girls overlapping better.
This is how our day usually goes. It seems like she gets a short nap, then a long one, then the catnap. Of course if I plan on doing something right after her 45 min morning nap, she will sleep for 2 hours!  :x

Nikki - Your Christening pics are beautiful! You look wonderful!!! Lise is sooo very cute!  :D I hope the new nanny works out well for you!

Julieb- Congrats on Asher sleeping thru again! Leah seems to be in the routine of sleepign thru one night and getting up the next and on and on. Oh well, at least she does sleep thru sometimes!!!!

Schae and Tarri- Love your new avatar pics!!!!!

Schae - Sorry to hear about the mean kids at the docs office. We are lucky our doctor's office is a small clinic. We are usually the only ones in the waiting room!

Tarri - I'm glad your visit went well with your parents.

Julie #2 - So glad to hear that you are OK after the hurricane. What a horrible tragedy. I have dropped the dream feed, but I did it cold turkey. We went away camping for the weekend and we just stayed up too late by the fire and I forgot to go back to the camper at 10 to feed her!  :shock: But she didn't wake till 5 for a feed, so after that I decided she didn't need to eat at 10. She does still wake in the night, but I don't feed her before 5.

Jaime - Thanks for the advice on early wakings. I hope we can get Leah to sleep in on the weekends soon!  :D

Branwen - Congrats on the rolling! I hope all turns out well with the hip thing.

Heather - Leah is struggling with the sippy cup right now too! I haven't tried juice or fomula in it yet. We did do the veggie puffs this weekend. She did great, well she liked them but stuggled to get them in her mouth!  :lol: We have also done the bitter biscuits. I am at odds too about what to try for finger foods. Someone said they can start cottage cheese at 7 months. I haven't a clue. Let me know when you start new things since the girls are the same age and we're both first timers at this!

US - We are doing well. Leah is very happy at the new sitter’s house. She is taking OK naps. Some days are better than others! So, about dropping the catnap. Leah wakes from her 2nd nap at 2 or 2:30. Is it feasible for her to go till 7:00 without a nap? Also, if anyone has any opinions on digital video cams I would appreciate it. I’ve been looking around but want to get a good one. I am going to check out everyone’s justpress sites at lunch today!!!!!
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Post by: HeatherC on September 06, 2005, 15:09:11 pm
Christine-what is Leah like from 2:30 till 7?  Kelsey wakes from her second nap around 4 and is up till 8, and I usually struggle with her after 6.  Actually her morning nap is shortening, which my mom says is very normal and some other gals have too, but her afternoon is lengthening.  She goes down at 2, and yesterday I had to wake her at 4:30.  I might have to readjust the start time since she's getting up earlier from the first nap.  But you are so right when you said they sleep long when you have something to do, but short when you're trying to rest or clean.  At least in my case.  I'm going to look for Yobaby yogurt and offer it in a few weeks.  I don't know if it necessary or not, but she might enjoy it.  I'm trying to figure out some soft foods to offer her, but I wonder if I'm jumping the gun on this finger food thing.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 06, 2005, 15:54:53 pm
Heather - She's fine till about 5:00, then she gets crabby. I haven't tried to go without yet for fear of what might happen!!! But she has been waking at 4:30 in the morning acting like she is ready to start the day. So I worry the catnap is causing this. I also worry that I am rushing the finger foods, but she seems to really like them, but more than baby food. So I think I'm going to keep at them. Will keep you updated on what we try!  :D
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Post by: julieb on September 06, 2005, 17:37:16 pm
Re: finger foods...I've been giving Asher chopped bananas and pears.  He has a hard time grabbing them (as do I) though.  I figure he'll get better with practice though.  I usually end up picking them up and putting them in his mouth so he can at least get used to chewing and chunkier foods.  He's pretty good at it now.  I think if he could hold them better, he'd put them in his mouth.  He's tried a couple times, but they fall out of his hands.

Christine: We have a digital camcorder, but the videos I put on jusspress are from our digital still camera.  I haven't figured out how to transfer from the camcorder (that's DH's department).  And Asher seems to be doing the every other night thing as well -- he woke a couple times last night.  Oh well, he at least has stopped expecting to be fed, just wants his luvie and goes back to sleep.  I would never be able to get Asher to last from 2:30 to 7:00 without another nap.  You may need to keep the catnap or move bedtime up until she starts sleeping longer in the afternoon.  How long are your awake times before the first and second naps?  Can you extend those so there isn't such a long haul until bedtime?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 06, 2005, 17:47:05 pm
Christine-ditto what Julie said.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 06, 2005, 19:19:30 pm
I'm thinking of introducing a lovie... how did you ladies go about doing that?
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 06, 2005, 19:31:48 pm
Thanks for the advice on the naps girls! Julieb- my digital camera records short video clips, why didn't I think of that!?!?! justpress.com here I come - well not right now, maybe after work!  :roll: (I'm on break!)
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Post by: julieb on September 06, 2005, 20:05:21 pm
Christine, you're a hoot!  :lol:

Schae: Asher was young when I introduced it.  I just shoved it at him every chance possible and said "here's your luvie", especially during wind down and during bed/naps.  But for older babies, you may want to observe him and see if there's already something he's somewhat attached to and use that.  I also hear one of your old shirts makes a good luvie because it smells like you!
Whatever you do, make sure you have two in case one gets lost and so you can wash and alternate them!
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Post by: Jaime on September 06, 2005, 21:10:52 pm
Schae - i've always just had it in the crib with luke when it was time to sleep.  actually, this time i was really covering my bases so there are a couple things in there.  he only sees them when it's time to sleep. 

i think the attachment is still parent driven, but he's starting to look for them when i lay him down.

julie's right - buy 2 and have them smell like you!!!!  :lol:
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 06, 2005, 21:53:51 pm
Christine - it hink we are pretty much in the same boat with naps... and olivia gets up between 2 and 2:30 and i usually put her down for catnap at 4 or so depending on how the day went.  the days when she refuses the catnap she makes it to bedtime ok (usually push it up a little) but her feeds are not as good and then she wakes before 6:30... which throws off the getting the girls in synch

yesterday i put her down around 4 and she thought she was going straight down and then the noise started and she just kept crying out and squealig, etc  Since she had the worst napping day ever (30 + 1hr 10) i said she was staying in the cot til 5 - she finally fell asleep at 4:45 and slept til 5:30! so the evening was fine. i figure she will be on the catnap until she is awake for 3 hr sessions for the first 2 legs of the day. a nd then her naps will hpopefully lengthen (at least i hope the 2 nd one become 2 - 2 1/2 hrs  :lol: )
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 06, 2005, 23:43:58 pm
well - alex is watching tv for a bit and liv is asleep so i will catch up with al the posts form yesterday and before...

Nikki - that photo of your family is stunning!! i am so jealous. we have no portraits at all and never did professional shoots for the kids.  that is beautiful - and you all loook so nice!

Julie G - so glad you are allright since Katrina and that you only had electricity issues!  also thrilled for you that Matty is sleeping thorugh - i bet that is a pleasure for you. i was beginning to wonder where you were...

i would not base ending the DF on age - how is he with solids and how much is he taking at the DF. i personally am waiting until olivia is well establlished on 3 meals and starts cutting back DF herself - aiming for 8 mo to end it at the latest assuming all is well.  i can't "add an oz to her daytime bottles" because she rarely finishes them so i can't count on that strategy.

Heather - have not checked out your juss press yet - will do soon.  i have not read BS book yet - it costs $30 so am going to see if our library has ordered copies and put a reserve on it - i don't see myself reading it more than once so hate to part with that much cash at borders  :roll:  they already take a lot from me  :lol:

Branwen - great on the rolling and pincher grasp. a, sure Eirwen is doing just fine.

Schae - gorgeous photo in your avatar - looking very happy! how is the job and house search going??  we are still on cereal fruit (just pears, avocado, and apples and prunes)  and veg (sweet pot., peas, carrot)  i guess i have fa;llen behind in the i troduction of things - i am trying harder this week and we just started the peas yesterday. she has fruit at bkfst and veg and / or fruit with cereal for lunch and dinner.

Julie b - i almost always add formula to make most veg creamier.  i found avocadoes def. were easier to eat that way/.  also i figure  if you need any liquid to process other foods better to use formula/EBM so they get extra food rather than water added.

Deborah - glad Maya is doing ok and it is not too bad - hope the stretching sorts everything out easily.  also - stomach bugs are THE worst ones to worry about - they are so easily transferred between people that i woudl never let the girls near anyone who had it even recently - they say until you have been clear of gastro/puking/diahreah for 24 hours you shoudl not expose yourself to other people

us - although not 100% yet i am at about 85% and doing better every day - although still no period  :roll:   i have a Dr appt next Wed.  Oliviua is off to the Audiologist tomorrow - fingers crossed there is no damage in her middle ear from all that fluid / bursting... I am praying she does not need grommets or anything - want an all-clear  :D

livvy is doing really well with solids this week and eating happily.  her naps are erratic and it seems that on days when she is extra hungry and eating lots she does not sleep as much  :roll:   introduced peas yesterday and all her meals had high fiber foods so we actually got 2 major poops - she had pears/cereal/prunes at B, carrots at lunch and peas at dinner!! too much???

she is also crawling backwards a lot - i find her stuck under a chair etc and crying to get back on the mat - cannot figure out how to go forwards yet.  rolled from belly to back again a couple of times but still  never from back to belly.
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Post by: thitz on September 07, 2005, 00:51:36 am
Debra, glad you're feeling better and Olivia is eating well. :)   I'm having the same nap problems, although today we had a miracle and had a 1.5hr nap 1 and 1.75hr nap 2.  I've been putting Emily down for nap 1 at 9:00am and nap 2 at 1:30 (only second day of getting this late) and not even trying for catnap.  She's completely wiped by these times but I'd rather have her a little cranky earlier in the day than a lot cranky for the whole afternoon cause she won't catnap.  Also her nights are still getting better.  Also Emily still drinks less than 30oz a day with about 5 oz of solids.

Heather, I added a mini river dance to my jusspress.

Christine, I'm also using my digital camera for the videos but they only turn out well in a very bright room.

Branwen, have you guys moved yet?  I remember you mentioned about all the boxes getting in your way but I wasn't sure if you were packing or unpacking.  That's got to add a little more stress to things.

Us, I found a new way to get Emily laughing :lol: .  I do those vibrating belly kisses and she loves it to pieces.  Dh has bad poison ivy but thank goodness Emily and I didn't get it.  He was making a path thru the woods behind our property and apparently it's filled with poison ivy, eeks. :shock:

Tarri
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Post by: Schae on September 07, 2005, 06:53:46 am
Thanks for the luvie help. Will probably start tonight.  :wink:

Deb: Glad to hear you're on your way up and up  :D And good luck at the doctors appointment, hope all is well. Job hunting is going okay, might have a prospect. House hunting, we're getting there.

Tarri: too cute on the laughing!

Deborah: I hope the specialist is a bit more open minded about the helmut treatment. I'm glad to hear that it is not as bad as was thought. I'm sure Maya will be fine.

Julieb: I didn't realise adults also got ADHD. Learn something new everyday.

Us: Well, I need some real help with Luka and his bad sleeping. He naps fairly well during the day, 1.5 hours  in the morning, and 1 - 2 hours in the afternoon. He rarely has a catnap as it throws his routine off completely and he isn't ready to sleep at bedtime. Anyway.. he has been waking at night for ages now but he doesn't get fed before 6am. I just don't understand WHY he's waking.

We'll put him down at around 8pm (supper 6.30pm, bath 7pm, milk -bf 7.30pm). He'll put himself to sleep then wake up between 45 minutes to and hour later screaming. I go in, pick him up, then put him down and sing a song and he'll go back to sleep. This can happen a lot some nights and once other nights  :?

Then at 11pm, I'll get him and go to our 'cottage' and feed him in there and put him down to sleep. He'll go down fine, but is up at around 1.30am screaming? PU/PD just makes him scream harder, so I just sing and he'll go back to sleep. Only to wake 2 hours later?

The thing is, when my mom babysits him he has the dreamfeed then sleeps right through till 6/7am.

Do you think the moving from the main house to our cottage is causing him to wake? Tonight we're going to try putting him down in the cottage (we'll just go to bed early) and see if that works.

If you've gotten this far, thanks for reading... do you have any suggestions?

TIA
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Post by: dkjokisch on September 07, 2005, 12:09:29 pm
Christine - Maya is nearing 8mos, and there is still no way she could go from 2:30 to 7pm without a catnap.  Roughly, if she gets up before 2:30, I attempt a catnap.  If she gets up between 2:30 and 3:30pm, I just try to get her to bed a little early - how early depends on how she's doing.  After 3:30pm, she usually does fine until 7pm.

Deb - Glad to hear Liv is eating well.  I wouldn't worry about too much fiber. 

Tarri - I get Maya to laugh the same way.  Sorry to hear about the poison ivy. 

Schae - I would definitely try putting him down for the night in the cottage.  However, it sounds though he may be waking for your company.  Can dh resettle him when he wakes (preferably with minimal intervention)?

As for us, we had a good weekend, but yesterday just went downhill fast.  Maya was cranky all day, and I don't think it was her teeth (she didn't seem soothed at all by her teething rings, and she didn't really settle when I finally broke down and gave her some ibuprofen), but I have no idea what else it could be.  She was super fussy about going down for bed Monday night (screamed for about an hour), but we just assumed it was because she was overtired as we had been at the beach Sun/Mon and she only got two short naps on Monday.  However, this continued all day yesterday and into this morning.  She is showing all of her tired signs after only being up for 1 hour, but she is not really sleeping any longer than usual.  She cycles between reasonably content and screaming relentlessly every 20 minutes or so, whether I'm holding her or not.  All the things that normally work to calm her are having no effect.

The only changes are that she has gotten a little more mobile in the last week, rolling from back to front and back again with a little more ease.  She is also sitting now.  If this is development-associated, when will it end?  I am on my last nerve, and dh needs to work some extra hours this week to meet a deadline so I am on my own.
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Post by: thitz on September 07, 2005, 14:00:28 pm
Deborah and Schae, sorry to hear your nights are going well.  Let me see if I can think of something.

Schae, I would say that you need to stop the singing.  It sounds like it's becoming a prop.  Could you maybe just say a couple words instead, maybe like 'it's okay, it's time to sleep'?  Also, I would say the transfer from house to cottage probably isn't helping.  Can you get a monitor that you can set up in the cottage so you can still stay up at the house?  Also, how about moving the df earlier and moving him to the cottage earlier, maybe the 11:00pm transfer is distrubing his deep sleep, maybe try 10pm.

Deborah, It sounds like some kind of discomfort to me.  My first guesses would be teeth or maybe an ear infection.  Did the ibuprofen calm her?  If so, maybe give her some for a full day and then if she's not back to normal by tomorrow make a doctor's appointment to get her ears checked.  Also could it be hunger?  Maybe try to give her an extra feed to see if that calms her.

Good luck guys, I'll be thinking of you.  Tarri
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Post by: HeatherC on September 07, 2005, 14:29:45 pm
Schae, I agree with Tarri.  First, I would try to cut out the transfer from house to cottage, and move the df up.  I also think that his sleep is being disturbed and therefore the rest of the night is fitfull.  Then, have dh resettle him because I do think he is waking up expecting you to be there.  If you have to do it, I wouldn't sing, but maybe just a quick pat, I wouldn't even talk or make eye contact.  I'm really curious what one night without the transfer would do for him.
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Post by: Schae on September 07, 2005, 15:10:38 pm
Deborah: Sorry about your horrible nights. I agree that it sounds like some kind of discomfort.

Tarri and Heather: Thanks for the advice. Tonight we're going to put him down in the cottage, and see how that goes. I figure it must be because of the transfer, unfortunately our situation dictates that we stay in the cottage for a while yet.  :( But, a plan can be made.  :D

I didn't realise the singing was becoming a prop. I used to only sing the song in our wind down routine, and then if he woke and didn't respond to patting then I'd sing  :oops: Dh has been suggesting that he take over the night wakings for ages now, but I've been reluctant coz the last time he tried, we ended up with more screaming. But I'll have a talk with him tonight.

Thank you for the suggestions, will keep you guys posted.
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Post by: dkjokisch on September 07, 2005, 16:07:50 pm
Once she goes to sleep she's fine.  We haven't had any trouble with wakings, and she's actually taking pretty good naps, it's just getting her down that's tough. 

I think I can rule out hunger and teeth, but you guys are right - I'll give her another day, and if she doesn't settle down, we're going to the neurosurgeon on Fri anyway.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 07, 2005, 17:03:51 pm
Schae - Is the cottage very far from the house? Could you put him down in the cottage and use a monitor to listen for him in the house, or is it too far?
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Post by: herbst99 on September 07, 2005, 19:55:44 pm
Debra - can you believe the pic was taken by my sister with a silly digital camera! I must say I was impressed to!

Schae - I agree with the suggestions on rather settling him where he will stay the night (or you can try settling him in the pram and then just pushing him over to the cottage??? and transfer him to bed.) I remember you asking about a lovey ... Lise uses one from BABY SENSE  called a Taglet - basically a small fleece blanket with satin ribben "tags" (if you haven't read the book - it is by Meg Faure - South African OT and VERY GOOD!!) http://www.babysense.co.za.


Nap problems!!! seems like almost everyone is having some kind of problem!! We have had 2 miserable days with Lise very miserable with teething (I think) and to top it off she is going through the 6mth growth spurt!! I can honestly say EASY has gone out the window - it just seems that as soon as the day start wrong - she is off for the rest of the day. As she is not a girl who likes being cuddled it makes it harder to sooth her when upset - I honestly don't know how to help her now. Well I am sure we will figure it out. I PRAY that tomorrow we will see a better day (I am holding off the Paracetomol after our previous "incident"!!)
Good night for now.
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Post by: julieb on September 07, 2005, 21:47:47 pm
Wheeeee!  Asher slept through the night again!  It's been every other night so far!  Weird, but I'll take it!!   :D

Schae: I'd also recommend stopping the transfer and loosing the singing (or singing much shorter).  Also have DH deal with the night wakings for a night or two if need be.  He may protest at first, but he'll prolly quickly get over it.
On PU/PD, at this age, and since Luka is also quite mobile, I notice Asher gets more agitated on the PU now.  I do more PD than anything, waiting for him to get up or roll over -- then I roll him back, etc.  If I actually pick up all the way up, he gets really mad!  So I just PD, hand him luvie, shush, etc.

Deborah: I suspect Maya is just "off" on her routine and quite tired.  Whenever we've had a busy weekend, it throws him off for a few more days.  The developmental things prolly aren't helping either -- more tired from all that activity and energy.  You may notice it start to even out and catch up tomorrow or Friday (if it's not some sort of sickness).  Hope tomorrow's better for you!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 07, 2005, 22:46:57 pm
Hello everyone.  I haven't read a page since page 41.  I have to apoligize but I need a vent.  It's been one of those weeks.  So many things going on and we're wiped. 

Here's a brief summary
- SIL is recovering from surgery, undergoing more tests, and starting chemo shortly
- ILs are living with us, and we don't know for how long
- Possible separation anxiety starting with Kinlagh (major crying with dh for past 2 nights).  This BTW, is a major source of gossip for the ILs.  OMG, the baby cried tonight!!!
- Dh may have been bumped to #3 in Kinlagh's eyes since FIL is with Kinlagh and I day in/day out.  NOT A GOOD THING!!!  DH is taking it pretty hard, understandably.
- Kinlagh has started crawling - yay!!  But she gets up on all 4s in her bed too which upsets her sleep - boo!!
- I have an eye infection, which was being treated with an antibiotic ointment, which I had an allergic reaction to, so now I have a new antibiotic, plus drops to get rid of the allergic reaction....

You get the picture.  I'm so out of sorts!  Thanks for listening.
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Post by: HeatherC on September 08, 2005, 01:01:38 am
Michelle-yay on the crawling, boo on everything else.  First, I hope your SIL is okay.  You mentioned chemo.  You may have posted about this previously and I missed it, but I'm so sorry.  Also, having indefinite house guests is quite tasking.  I hope you can find some sort of rhythem for the time being.  Hope your eye problems clear up.  I have majorly severe eye allergies and can barely see most of the time which is a main reason I've barely been going out.  I have to clear them up for days before being able to wear contacts, etc, but long story short, I feel your pain in a sense.
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Post by: Schae on September 08, 2005, 06:50:28 am
Nikki: It is very hard to stick to EASY when you have teething AND growth spurt issues. I've got the Babysense book - fantastic isn't it?! I'll have to a bit of shopping, coz the taglet sounds nice.

Julieb: Well done Asher!! I'm sure you feel fantastic! Isn't it amazing what a little sleep can do to pick up your mood hey? I did exactly what you mentioned last night. Didn't bother with PU, just did PD and it worked! He loves to get up on all fours, or roll over and doesn't take kindly to being put back in a sleeping position, but it's more of a complaint than a cry.

Michelle: You really have it hectic! I hope your sister recovers well. Ouch on the eye infection! As for IL's  :roll: It's very hard to deal with other people in your living space. I feel for your dh, do you guys get much time to spend as a family, just the three of you? YAY! on the crawling! Well done Kinlagh!

Us: Thank you for the advice! Last night went fairly well. We had a power outtage, so he had a bath by candle light which he really enjoyed. And then straight to bed in the cottage, it was a bit of a struggle to get him down, but eventually he did it. He woke fully twice and I just patted him and he went back to sleep!  :shock:  :D The rest of the night he was quite niggly, waking often, but we didn't pat him or anything and he went back to sleep in less than a minute. Are all babies niggly like that? I think if he was in his own room then we wouldn't notice, but having him in the cot next to us means that if he wakes slightly, then so do we.

But, I'm happy with the progress we made. A few more nights of this and I doubt we'll even have to worry about any night wakings.

Thanks again!  :D
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 08, 2005, 12:06:38 pm
Michelle - i am so sorry about all that you have on your plate right now - we are here for you if you need to vent to release some stress.  tell Dh itr is temporary and Kinlagh will love him just as much when ILs are gone.  when my sister was here for 6 weeks alex and she hit it off straight away and there were times when she needed soothing after a fall or soomething and Dh started to comfort her and then she saw sis and reached out right from his arms to go to her  :cry:  He felt bad because he fell to 3rd place but as soon as sister left Daddy was on top again  :D

Julieb - every other nighyt is a start - you must be over the moon - yay asher - keep it up!

Schae - i hope you continue to have more success with Luka. Olivia was a huge niggler - it was one of the first things the child nurses we spoke with said to change immediately - get her out of your room they said.  i know that is not an option right now, but know that 1) it is normal 2) it lessens as they get older and 3) you will eventually have your own room  :D

Nikki - hope the GS ends soon - 6 mo was the hard one for us too!

Us - well Olivia had her visit to the audiologist today and boy it is a good thing i am on meds or i would probably be dwelling on the "woulda-shoulda-couldas" instead of thinking about the future.

basically - her right eardrum was perforated which was the body's way of trying to clear out the fluid and get better.  they did a few tests and her left ear was great (thank god).  the right ear just barely showed sound bouncing off the eardrum walls(?).  this can be a sign that the scar tissue form the tear is healing and interfering or it can be fluid still there.  further tests actually showed better result with the right side so i am not as stressed.  they will retest in Feb/March when it is warmer as the moisture in the summer will apparently help her (?).  they will then be able to better tell if there is any long term damage in the right ear.

the reason why she has been having an improvement over the past month is clear now - it was when we started sitting her up.  it seems that a lot of this could have been prevented if she was having regular time off her back so fluid could not build up as much  :evil:  so not just a flat head but now a burst eardrum - b/c i was too busy in the early months to get her tummy time or regular play time...And we had mentioned all her mucus so many times and apart from raising the cot during sleep time no one mentioned keeping her upright for awake time / fluid build up etc. I am so thankful the speech pathologist sufggested this check.

tey said we shoudl also have a vaporizer running in her room to keep it moist in fall/winter (great now that spring has sprung  :roll: )  wish we had been pointed in this doirection 3-4 months ago!!!!

got to dash - but i am ok - i am happy she is definitely clear in 1 ear and they are optimistic too
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Post by: branwen on September 08, 2005, 13:36:23 pm
OH I've just got done reading all the pages...there is so much to respond to.  I will do what I can remember in the short time I've got.

Deborah- I think something is bothering Maya, it is just the sense I have.  I'm sure you're like "duh" :wink:  but it seems to me that you do everything you can to make her happy and it isn't working.  I agree with others, she sounds overtired so you could try adding a feed and try the 3.5 or 3 hr schedule...so she gets more naps?  Just an idea. If she's less fussy I would stay with the 3hrs.  Also Annamum/Monika on bfing forum told me she never got to 4 with her dd.  It isn't just quantity of milk but quality and some bfing moms just can never make it to 4 hrs I guess.  Even with Eirwen now some days we have 5 feeds.  She has gotten very clear about when she wants to nurse.  She holds and grabs my head/face and tries to suck on my cheek.  So cutting to 4 feeds actually clued me in that she might occassionally need a 5th.  Eirwen has been on and off Motrin/Advil for the last week.  She seems much happier so that has lessened my aprehension on giving meds.

Michelle- your poor dh...oh, I feel for him.  I'm so sorry about your infection and your SIL. Kinlagh sounds fabulous though :D I could never have my parents or my inlaws live with us, esp with the baby!  You are a better woman than I!

Schae- I'm glad things are looking better now for night wakings.  I agree the transfer was probably disrupting him.  I think you are right about the sounds.  Eirwen was SO LOUD when she slept in our room on vacation in June.  I was up constantly from all her little noises.

JulieB- read up more on vaccines.  I guess the real deal is now with the overuse of antibodics.  Are you going to hold off on those too?  I plan to.  That is so great about Asher!  Are you doing anything differently?

Tarri- we are packing!  The inside photos were done yesterday for the brochure and internet!  It's posted!  Oh I'm so nervous and excited.  I wish we could actually live like this- minimal.  I feel like I can breathe.  I joked with dh that we should just light the pod on fire and start over.  Gosh how do we all accumulate all of the stuff :roll:   I am trying to change Eirwen's bedtime to 6- going okay.  showings are ending at 6.  My realtor wanted us to go until 8pm but I just can't do that.  As usual no one understands a routine and how 2 hrs is such a difference in baby's world.  I said ok in the beginning but then had an anxiety attack about it so I told her that was the best I could do.  As it is people are going to be in our house during bedtime routine.  I will be here alone with her too which kind of sucks, hectic, but at least I get 24 hr notice on when people are coming! Whew!

Deb- I hope Livvy is ok and recovers.  I know nothing about the ear drum but if it is a mucus membrane? yes? should be the most resilient tissue.  Have you noticed a change in hearing?

Us- She's been waking around 9 though last 2 nights.  I believe that is when the advil is wearing off.  Tooth is half way up! YAY!

She rolled to the left yesterday.  I put her on our bed yesterday and she was trying so hard to do it but I think the bed was too soft for her push against.  So cute the twisting though.  The thing that is working the best for practice is for me to go behind her so she has to twist to see me.

She LOVES blowing raspberries now too.  I think she might be a talker.  She talks to the boob! :lol: So funny.  She also FINALLY loves peek-a-boo and it doesn't scare her.  She giggles and bats at my face.   

Okay everyone- back to packing!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 08, 2005, 17:30:43 pm
Michelle - Sorry to hear you're having a rough time of late.  I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you.  I'm sorry you have a houseful - I know how that can wreck havoc on a routine.  I couldn't deal with my ILs for an extended and indefinite stay.  I hope you're felling better.  Feel free to vent here.

Schae - Niggly?  I've noticed the same thing when we have to share a room with Maya.  She stirs all the time.  We hear her, she hears us, and no one gets a good night's sleep.  And I'm sure she must be doing the same at home, we just never hear her.  We have a small house, so we don't use the monitor unless we're outside.  I figure if she really needs us, we'll hear her.

Deb - Glad to hear you got good news, and I understand your frustration - there are so many things I wish someone had mentioned earlier.  The PT made several recommendations the other day that left us wondering why no one had mentioned those things months ago.

Branwen - She has been getting three naps a day all week, but we've stuck to the four-hour feed schedule.  Switching to four hours resolved some of the feeding issues we were having.  I also tried giving her ibuprofen on the chance that it was teething pain, but it made no difference in her demeanor. 

Good luck with selling your house.  I hope it sells quickly, so you don't have to deal with constant disruptions to Eirwen's routine so the realtor can show it.  Also, we got Maya to roll over the same way.  I put toys up behind her head to encourage her.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 08, 2005, 17:34:39 pm
I forgot us.  Maya has been in a much better mood since yesterday evening.  My best guess is that she was just really overtired.  She is still balking at doing the neck stretching exercises, but she'll get more comfortable with them with time.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 09, 2005, 03:33:00 am
Asher's doing well.  Sleeping through the night is still going well.  I think he'll start doing it every night soon.  Last night, which was supposed to be a waking night, he slept until 5 am.
We're gonna try sweet potato on Saturday.  Still not keen on the rice cereal or avocado, but he endures them.
Remember those newborn "stork bites"?  Asher still gets them on a regular basis all over.  He's fair-skinned, so I don't know if that makes a difference.  I asked the doctor about it and she said it's from the heat, but I'm not so sure.  They often look like bug bites, but they come and go so quickly.  Do your LOs still get these?

Michelle: Hope things start going better!  Sorry to hear you're dealing with so much crap right now!

Schae: Good to hear you had a better night!  Hope your next night went as well, if not better!  Asher's pretty crazy.  He's never in the same spot I put him down in.  I'm glad he's in his own room since I'm such a light sleeper.  I already here everything on the monitor as it is!  I don't know how we're gonna manage one hotel room in Dec. when we go to Disneyland.   :roll:

Deb:
  Goodness, I would have strangled someone if I were dealing with Liv's issues!  Hindsight is a terrible thing.  I'm glad you're taking it well and it's not any worse that it is!  I already have so many shoulda, coulda, woulda's with Asher.  I should keep a list so I remember what I want to do different the next time!   :lol:

Branwen: Happy packing and selling!  Hope it goes well!  I'm amazed at the random things Asher manages to sleep through.  He surprises me so much.  But then when it's just us and we're tip-toeing around, he seems to hear EVERYTHING!  It's so odd sometimes.   :lol:   Asher does the same thing to my cheek when he wants to nurse, I have to crack up when he does it because he gets this silly look on his face.   :lol:   I wish I could get a photo of it somehow so I could remember it forever.  There are so many precious little things he does while nursing that I wish I could capture somehow.  DH never understands why I laugh so much when Asher's eating.   :wink:  I'm pretty conservative on all medications.  I try natural rememdies first.  I'll resort to an antibiotic if absolutely neccessary (for myself or Asher).  Asher hasn't needed anything yet though.  I also go to a peditrician that is very conservative on presciptions.  They actually have their policy posted on the wall and advise parents to go elsewhere if they're just looking for a quick fix of antibiotics.  Not really doing anything different with Asher in regard to sleeping through except I just don't feed him at night at all when he wakes.  He doesn't need it anymore and goes right back to sleep when I hand him luvie.   :D   Knew this day would someday come!   :wink:

Deborah:
Glad Maya's starting to feel like herself again!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 09, 2005, 10:37:55 am
Deb: Good on you! It is too easy to play the shoulda-woulda-coulda game (do you know there's a song called shoulda-woulda-coulda? haha!) Now that you know exactly what the deal is with Olivia things can only get better.  :D Thanks for the encouragement, I cannot wait for the day that we have our own house, I go window shopping regularly!  :lol:

Branwen: Hope that tooth comes through soon! It's lovely to hear how she's grown. Can't believe we're almost at the end of the year. This time last year I was pregnant and imagining what it would be like to have a baby. Now, he's here and does all these adorable cute things! When exactly are you guys moving? In December I'll be asking you for lots of hints since we're planning on moving too. Good luck!

Deborah: I had to giggle at you forgetting to mention what's happening with you guys!  :D Glad Maya is doing better. Do you think the neck exercises are painful or uncomfy? I hope she gets used to them soon. How long does she have to do them for?

Julieb: Does Asher wake one night and sleep through the next? They like to keep us on our toes these babies of ours do! lol!
Luka still has the storkbite from when he was born, but has not had any others since.

Us: We're doing well. One night waking last night. I see sleeping through in the distance :lol: And Luka and our dog are best friends now. Diablo (the dog) used to be our 'baby' and we were worried about his reaction to Luka, but they actually love each other to bits. It's so cute, coz Diablo is very gentle.
Here are a couple of pics of the two friends:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 09, 2005, 11:32:01 am
Schae those photos are absolutely gorgeous!!  I wish we had a dog - not until we know for sure that our roots are firmly planted in Australia.  both Dh and I grew up with dogs (he is allergic to cats so none will ever be in our home) and I hope my girls can get the same joy we did.  Luka is lucky!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 09, 2005, 15:28:41 pm
JulieB - Maya loved sweet potatoes.  She just gobbles them down, mouth wide open for more.

Schae - I want a dog.  The two of them are so cute together.

Us - We went to the pediatric neurosurgeon today.  I'm not sure I like him.  I don't feel that he gave us much insight, other than that we can probably wait another month before we decide about whether we want to put her in DOC band.  I realize he sees kids with way more serious issues than ours, but I didn't feel like he took our concerns seriously.  He asked if this was our first child, and when we said yes, he made some comment that if she were our third or fourth, we wouldn't have even bothered to get a consult, kind of implying that we were making too big a deal out of this.  And yet in the same breath, he said he wants to see her again in a month.  If he thinks there's nothing to be concerned about, why do we even need to go back?  That said, there's not alot of pediatric neurosurgeons out there, so I don't think switching docs is an option.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 09, 2005, 15:37:07 pm
Schae-what cute pictures.  Unfortunately, or maybe it's a good thing, our dog runs from Kelsey.
Deborah-so sorry your doctor was not what should be expected.  Any concern a parent has is real, regardless of what child this is.  Maybe he doesn't have children.
Julieb-glad things are continuing to improve at night.  Have you noticed that the jusspress site is not working?

Us-dh is off from work all of next week.  Of course, he'll be fishing 3 days, but hopefully we will get a chance to spend time as a family.  He has already mentioned going out to eat (Kelsey now sits in the restaurant highchair and loves it) and going to the park.  Usually on his days off he wants to stay home and rest, so we've not done much out together with Kelsey.
I thought I was beginning to lose the morning nap.  The last 3 days were only 30 minutes, and it had been that mid-nap poop waking her.  Therefore, I thought she was losing the ability to resettle and go back to sleep, but this morning it's back and she's been down for 1.25 hours.  When the morning nap is long, the afternoon is even longer.  Then we run around after dinner and she's great.  Days like those make me want a house full of kids!

Branwen-here's praying your house sells soon!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 09, 2005, 18:16:00 pm
hey all - taken me awhile to catch up - why is it that when you have an extra day off the weeks seem even loooonger???  :roll:

branwen - hope things go well & the house sells quickly!  have you found a new place yet or will you stay with family or somewhere so you can look around?

schae - those pix are adorable!  luka's getting to be so big!  sounds like you're on your way to sleep-filled nights too.  yay!   :D

heather - glad you get a week with dh - should be fun!

deb - sorry about liv's ear - hope it all clears up soon.  glad you're improving as well.

michelle - (((((HUGS)))))  sorry about everything gonig on in your life right now.  vent whenever you need too.

deborah - that dr sounds like a jerk.  too bad there aren't more options.  but at least you will have peace of mind i guess....

us - luke's got a tiny bug... seemed like jaina had a runny nose for a day & now he has this crazy cough.  keeps disturbing his sleep time so naps have been all over & we've had to have a catnap to get enough day sleep... then he coughs a lot at night.  no allergy meds cause it's not that cough.  finally gave him tylenol cough & cold so he could get some sleep last night!  it helped, but i hate giving him meds for stuff he doesn' t have - he had no fever.   :evil:  why don't they make cough medicine for babies???

sorry this sounds kinda cranky.  i've just been really tired the last couple days, for no good reason....  have a great weekend!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 09, 2005, 18:18:15 pm
Schae - I LOVE the pics!!!! DD loves our dog too. Glad to hear that the sleep is going better for you! Keep us updated.

Julieb- Glad to hear that Asher is sleeping well for you. Surprisingly Leah has started to do better too. Last night she went from 7-4:45, then I fed her and she slept till 6:30. She’s done this for a few nights now.

Heather - 
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Of course, he'll be fishing 3 days,
Sounds like my husband! Fishing and hunting rule his life - well, besides his little girl!

Branwen - Good luck with the moving!

Mmmm... forgot to open this as a new window and I can't seem to remember what everyone else posted.

US: Leah's doc appointment went great yesterday. The Urologist said since she looks so healthy they are not go to do further testing. We'll have another ultrasound at 1 year and see how thinkgs look.  :D
Well, better get back to work. Yay it's Friday!  :D  :D  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 09, 2005, 19:27:56 pm
Hi all!  I've been posting on the BW boards for about 3 months now (gee - it seems longer than that, cause I'm addicted maybe  :lol: ).  Anyway, I haven't gotten into this particular thread because it was so long, and I don't have time to read the 47 previous pages!   :shock:  :D   However, I'd like to try and jump in on the conversation if you guys don't mind!

My little guy is Ethan, he'll be 7 months old next week (where has the time gone?!?).  I'm a SAHM, live in the Dallas area.

Oh, and I also posted some pics of my little guy the other day in the photo gallery http://www.babywhisperer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40582&highlight= ,I just have to add that, cause they are so darn cute!  I know I'm totally biased, but I don't care, I'm a proud mama!   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 09, 2005, 19:58:26 pm
Welcome Tammy! Don't feel the need to read the previous 40 some pages! Just join in! We hope to offer you some good advice!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 09, 2005, 22:02:42 pm
Hi Tammy!  Welcome and jump right in!  You'll have to tell us more about yourself and Ethan.  I've seen you around on some other threads.  Those photos you had done of Ethan are gorgeous!

Schae: LOVE those photos of Luka and the dog!  Asher likes our dog, but he runs away.  Gets annoyed with Asher pinching his toes, tail, etc.  I'm so glad to hear your nights are getting better!  Ours are too!  Asher was going every other night, but now he's slept through 3 nights in a row.  Early mornings have come back though.  But I think it was because DH had to get up early this week.  Not gonna get any better though since he starts a new shift next week, just as early.  But he'll have a 3 day weekend each week though!  Woot Woot!   :D

Deborah: sorry to hear about the cranky doctor!   :x   I would have been peeved!

Heather: jusspress has been down since updating their servers.  Hopefully it'll come back up soon!

Asher started cruising this morning!  :shock:   He went from the toy piano, to the end table, to the couch, then down the couch to where I was sitting!  I'm not ready for this yet!!   :shock:   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 10, 2005, 00:07:08 am
Tammy-nice to have you with us.  Here's the "stats" we have shared with each other if you'd like to copy and post about Ethan.  He's a doll, by the way, I just love the pictures!
Rolling -
Crawling -
Breast or Formula -
Solids -
Sleeping thru the night -
Naps -
Sitting unassisted - 
Teeth - 
Dreamfeed -
Morning wake up time - 
Bedtime -
Favorite toy -
Favorite Activity - 
Lovie -
Excema - 
Back or Belly -
Swaddle -
Paci -
Weight/Height - 
Eye/Hair color -
Work or SAHM -
Name & origin - 
I'm a -
Birthday -
Type -
First, second, third child of how many?? -
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 10, 2005, 02:03:47 am
Thanks for the welcome ladies!  I've seen many of you on other posts, so I feel like I *know* some of you already!   :)

Ok, let's have a go at this list...

Rolling - yes
Crawling - just starting to
Breast or Formula - formula
Solids - cereal and pureed veggies & fruits (a.k.a. "baby food")  :D
Sleeping thru the night - yes, since about 3 or 4 months old
Naps - 3 naps (one morning, one afternoon, one late afternoon catnap - although he is started to drop that one)
Sitting unassisted - not quite yet!
Teeth - none yet!  I think he is teething now though
Dreamfeed - yes
Morning wake up time - 7:00 or 7:30
Bedtime - 7:30 or 8:00
Favorite toy - links (at least that is what he chews on the most  :D )
Favorite Activity - Indoors - jumperoo, although we just bought an exersaucer, and he's starting to like that more and more.  Outdoors - he loves to go on walks! Ok, I walk, he rides!
Lovie - he has a small super soft teddy bear in his crib that he sleeps with (sort of).  I imagine he'll turn that into more of a lovey than it is now.
Excema - no
Back or Belly - I put him down on his back, but he immediately flips to his belly to sleep, so I let him!
Swaddle - used to, but no longer
Paci - uses it sometimes during the day, and during windown, but he usually spits it out in his crib and sucks his thumb instead.
Weight/Height - at 6 mo. checkup, he was 20 lbs. 2 ozs., 27.5 inches
Eye/Hair color - blue eyes, brown hair
Work or SAHM - SAHM
Name & origin - Name is Tammy; origin - does that mean where I was born?  I was born in Dover, Delaware, but am an Army brat, so I moved all over the US growing up.  Now am outside Dallas, TX
I'm a - a lot of things could go here, but what is the intended answer?!?  :lol:
Birthday - Nov. 15 (I'll be 30 this year - yikes!)
Type - does this mean what type of baby do I have?  He's mostly textbook.
First, second, third child of how many?? - Ethan is the first, and hopefully not the last!

Whew!  Okay, you'll have to tell me what some of those questions were supposed to be, I'm not sure I answered them the right way!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 10, 2005, 06:38:45 am
Quote from: Tammy: Ethan's Mom
 

Name & origin - Name is Tammy; origin - does that mean where I was born?  I was born in Dover, Delaware, but am an Army brat, so I moved all over the US growing up.  Now am outside Dallas, TX
I'm a - a lot of things could go here, but what is the intended answer?!?  :lol:
Birthday - Nov. 15 (I'll be 30 this year - yikes!)
Type - does this mean what type of baby do I have?  He's mostly textbook.

welcome - i also feel like i know you from other threads  :wink:

the name and origin and birthday are for Ethan  :D  and the type WAS about his temperament = Textbook.

sounds like he is doing well!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 10, 2005, 07:49:13 am
Thanks for the photo comments! :D I think Diablo (the dog) is totally in love with Luka, he must've been waiting for ages for Luka to become mobile. It's too cute.

Hi Tammy and welcome!! Ethan is a cutie pie.

Deborah:  :twisted: to the doctor. You should let him know that you don't appreciate his attitude (in the nicest possible way :) ) On the other hand, if he isnt too worried about Maya, then I guess that's a good thing too?

Heather: Enjoy the family quality time! When you have fantastic days with your lo, then you feel like 2 or 3 more kids would be great too! I love the way the mommy mind works, we forget all the 'nasty' stuff.

Jaime: Poor Luke.  :( Hope he feels better soon. They make a cough mixture for babies on this side of the world, like me to courier it over for you? :) And I hope you feel more rested soon too.

Christine: Yay on the doctors feedback! That's great news.

Julie: Asher is just racing through the milestones hey? Wow! WELL DONE ASHER! Have you babyproofed?  :lol:

Deb: How are you doing?

Us: Last night went okay too, just the one night waking. It's getting very hot here, and I'm not quite sure how to dress Luka  :? I think he woke last night because he was hot, coz after I removed the receiving blanket, he slept fine (rolling all over the place, grunting, but still sleeping)

Hope everyone has a great weekend!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 10, 2005, 08:43:06 am
schae - thanks for asking how we are. we are doing ok. i am still not 100% but the girls are doing well and i am trying to make an effort - still getting too agitated over little things like in the beginning.  my Dr appt is on Wed so will talk to her then.

it is hot here too - today was just under 30C (86 F) we sem to have gone from winter to summer and skipped spring!  i worry about dressing the girls too lightly at bedtime becauise the temp CAN (but doesn't have to) drop overnight so i worry they will be too cold. what temp was it for you last night and what did you dress Luka in?  we kept Livin her witer bag but with a light nightgown instead of her winter PJs. I went shopping today and forgot to look for a summer sleeping bag  :oops:  if i don't write it down...


Us - sorry it ended up long  :oops:
Need help with a strange thing - Olivia is eating loads these past 2 days but is actually waking earlier  :?  after taking 220ml (7+ oz) at DF last night (rare!) she woke at 6:10am hungry!  she already had her 6mo GS and this week it feels like she is in a feeding frenzy again - she is LOVING solids now - eating 3-5TBS of food per feed  (sometimes think she would take more than 5 but tink that might be too much) + 5 bottles taking between 5-8 oz per feed.  what do you guys think?  also, sometimes the solids at 5-5:30 seem to be interfering with her last bottle.  should we limit her solids in favour of the bottle or trust that between the 2 she will get what she needs.  this is why the DF seems to have increased I THINK.

also - amazing news!!  first - the past 2 days because she was waking earlier i decided to try to keep liv up longer so that her naps would still be at 9 and 12:30 (or 1 if she did a big 1st nap) well, it ended up being 2hr 45 - 3 hrs awake time each time and she went down without any problems - not overtired, but just right!  unfortunately 1st nap is still 45 min but today ...... DRUMROLL PLEASE.... she did a 1hr 45 - 2hrs nap for 2nd nap (not sure exactly because this is when i did my errands and Dh knows she definitely went past 1hr 30 but cannot be exact if it ended up at 1hr 45 or 2hrs!!  :roll: )  this is the first one over 1hr 30 in ... a very long time.  besides the awake time, she ate tons and did a big poop so i think alll conditions were met!  the problem with the am nap i think is that she needs to poop and can't get past 45 min.  she either delays the nap by trying (and succeeding) to poop and by the time i change and resettle her she only has time for a 45 min nap OR she sleeps 45 min and then poops and thatis it for her, no resettling after poopy nappy  :evil:  is there anything i can do about this?? i don't think so. i have tred increasing the prunes in her cereal hoping it will make her poop before naptime.  any other suggestions?

since she went to 2:30 for 2nd nap she refiused catnap but was fine today - i guess the extra sleep helped.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 10, 2005, 14:09:30 pm
Quote from: Debinoz
the name and origin and birthday are for Ethan  :D  and the type WAS about his temperament = Textbook.


See, I knew I'd get something wrong!   :D
Name is Ethan Carter.
Origin - we just liked that name!  We very early agreed on a girl's name, but when it came to boy's names, there weren't a lot dh and I agreed on!  This was one of the few!
Birthday - Feb. 17, 2005
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 10, 2005, 14:53:49 pm
Quote from: Debinoz
OR she sleeps 45 min and then poops and thatis it for her, no resettling after poopy nappy  :evil:  is there anything i can do about this?? i don't think so. i have tred increasing the prunes in her cereal hoping it will make her poop before naptime.  any other suggestions?

OK, so this is going to sound very weird, but it works and it was via my Doctor's advice. When Leah is constipapted (or when I can tell she needs to poop before her nap, but just can't seem to do it) I put some vaseline(petroleum jelly) on a q-tip and insert it into her, appropriate terms here....rectum? just a little bit. Then I twirl it around and gently pull it out and in. This helps her get it out. She ALWAYS poops when I do this. I felt funny doing it at first, but my doc said it is not different than taking a rectal temp. I don't do it all the time, but since she started solids sometimes she needs a little bit of help. Lot's of times I can tell she needs to poop before a nap and this helps get it out before we even start the naptime routine.  So, now you all probobly think I'm really weird, but it works!!!!!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 10, 2005, 17:09:35 pm
WELCOME Tammy!   :D   loved the pix of ethan - what a smiley baby.

Christine - i've heard that about the rectum & pooping.  i never had the guts to try it - good to know it does work!

Deb - YAY on the napping! 

Schae - sounds you are just about there on sleeping all night.  you must feel like a new woman.

Us - luke definitely has a bug.  running a fever & diarrhea.  right after he eats he plays a little bit & acts normal, but then he just wants to snuggle next to a warm body & then time for a nap.  bug's been going around.  jaina thankfully missed it, but poor guy.  his cough seems to be gone, but am loving that baby tylenol for the fever. 

Deb & Christine & Tammy - noticed you're new moderators!  congrats!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 10, 2005, 17:43:53 pm
Jaime, Christine, Deb, and Tammy-congrats on becoming moderators.  Good luck, esp Tammy b/c aren't you on the debates forum?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 10, 2005, 18:04:10 pm
Heather- You should try your luck at moderating, you have lots of good advice!!!! Note, I volunteered to moderate a forum that doesn't require too much experience, or work!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 10, 2005, 18:20:44 pm
Heather - yep, I just signed onto the movie/tv/debate forum, so wish me luck!   :wink:  I'm the co-mod.  Stacie is the other mod, and she is my SIL.  I thought it might be fun to moderate the same board.

Is anyone's lo teething?  I am sure that mine is, but no sign of any tooth.  This will be his first.  So, question is, how long does the inconsolable-grumpy-cranky-crying-all-day stage last?  I mean, I thought he was getting his tooth a couple of weeks ago, but nothing.  Then the past 3 or 4 days he has been just miserable.  Today has got to be the worst though, and as much as I love him, it's driving me crazy!   :x

I've been giving ibuprofen and using teething gel, but honestly, he is still grumpy.

Also, he seems to have gone off his pureed foods as well - is that normal?  He'll take his bottle, but only a few bites of the solids, and then he just starts crying and fussing.

Please tell me there is a light at the end of this tunnel!  I need some hold out of hope!  I guess "this too shall pass"... I just have to keep reminding myself of that!   :roll:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 10, 2005, 21:37:16 pm
Tammy - it could be teething.  luke's latest tooth seems to have taken forever!  he'd go through a period where he couldn't chew on his hands enough, and then nothing.  then a week or 2 later, he'd start all over again.  some teeth just seem to take longer than others.   :roll:  a decreased solids appetite can be normal - their gums hurt, so they don't want to 'chew' on actual food sometomes. 

however, if he's still grumpy after pain meds, maybe something else is bugging him?  maybe his tummy hurts, like he caught a little bug??

Deb - sometimes i do limit luke's solids.  there are more nutrients in the milk/formula at this point.  well, at least i pour out a generous amount at mealtime, and he won't get more than that.  if he's super hungry i'll feed him extra milk.  does that make sense???

i now know why i've been so down in the dumps... my period returned today.   :oops:  you'd think i'd know that's what it was, but i've had maybe 2 in the past 3 years!!!  :lol:  least i'm feeling more chipper.   well, that & i've been on here about 3 times just today - think i'm making up for lost time!

here's a 'fun' question.  how old are you?  tammy's response got me wondering.  i just turned 27 a couple weeks ago...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 11, 2005, 01:16:19 am
Tammy-that's neat that Stacie is your SIL.  It's good to share similar parenting techniques, especially with family.  Oh, and I'm right there with you on the teething.  This has been going on for a while for Kelsey, too.  I've heard that it can take weeks at first.  I swear it looks like her whole bottom gum is ready to bust out with teeth.  I give her tylenol in the morning, and it helps somewhat.  She's still just not interested in playing much, but still eating and sleeping well.  I got 2 hour naps x2 today.  Good thing b/c I'm not feeling well with sinus troubles.

Does anyone else seem to notice that their lo is no longer interested in the same toys that they used to love?  I think Julieb posted somewhere about alternating toys every day or so, and I'm going to have to do this.  I've never been good at knowing what a baby or child would like to play with, but I don't suppose it's too hard to please them as long as it's different and it makes noise.  What I need to do is pretend it's something she's not supposed to have, then she'll really want it.  I'm going to break out some tupperware or something until I can get some new toys.  Oh, and she's bored with her exersaucer which has been my life saver for 3 months.  But, she has a leap frog learning table that she adores and it's helping her learn to balance while standing.  She's always been able to keep weight on her legs well, but since I don't think she'll crawl maybe this will get her closer to cruising.  By the way, congrats to Asher on cruising.  Of course, Julie can tell us if this is a good thing or not.

Christine-I thought about volunteering to moderate, but I didn't know for what.  There's so much I have to learn.  I like your idea, though.

Jaime-I turned 27 in July.  Here's some more for fun if anyone would like to respond:
Married/how long: yes, 5 years
College:  yes, BS in Business Admin., Univ. of Tenn
Brothers or Sisters:  one of each
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 11, 2005, 01:16:39 am
Jaime- That's too weird! I was just thinking the same thing about the age thing!  :D I'm 26.... and a half, I guess! My B-day is January 25th. For awhile I thought DD would come on my b-day, but she decided to be late!

Tammy - Leah "teethed" for a LONG time too. When the teeth were finally coming thru, she started to really want to chomp down on things. Not just chew, like she does all the time. Really CHOMP! That's about the only for sure sign I got from her. Teething is so hard to read sometimes!

Alright, so I posted at the same time as Heather!  :wink: So I am going to edit this post.

Married/how long: yes, 5 years
College: yes, BS in Elementary Education Masters in Reading, Univeristy of Wisconsin - River Falls
Brothers or Sisters: two sisters
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 11, 2005, 01:34:52 am
this is too funny - are we leading some strange parallel lives???  :D

Married/how long: yes, 5 years this october
College: yes, BS Forensic Science, University of Central Florida
Brothers or Sisters: one sister (i'm the oldest)

christine - luke's bday is right before yours on the 23rd!  and eirwen too on the 22nd!! 

heather - it's not so bad moderating - can even be fun!.  i've actually been doing it a couple months now - and picked the photo gallery for similar reasons!!!!  yeah, i rotate luke's toys when i think of it - longer shelf life that way.

julieg - i live in orlando.  ILs live in the ft. lauderdale area.  they had lots of flooding too.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 11, 2005, 03:31:21 am
Tammy: I though Asher was teething for MONTHS, then we had an especially crabby day, and the next day, the corner of a tooth started popping through!  Took a whole week for it to make its entrance.  Have you tried Hylands teething tablets?  They work really well and are homeopathic so you don't have to worry about giving them to him a lot.  Ethan could be not interesting in solids because of teething, or I read (and hear) that a lot of babies make the jump to more table foods and refuse the pureed baby stuff.  Just a thought?

Deb: We have the same mid-nap pooping problems often.  I just wait it out a few days until the cycle changes again.  He hasn't had a dependable pooping schedule since he was about 4.5-5 months old.   :roll:  I'm also having similar problems at dinner.  I've tried cutting back lunch time solids so he'll be more hungry to BF after his afternoon nap.  It's just so close together!  BFing is often at 4:00, solids at 5:00, and BF again at 6:30!

Jaime: I'm 28 for the third time.  You do the math.  I don't acknowledge any numbers beyond 28.   :wink:

Heather: Yeah, rotate the toys!  Works really well.  Also break out some old tubberware bowls and lids (various sizes), measuring cups/spoons, the big wipes box from costco with the pretty colors ( :lol: )...  Cruising, well, it's exciting to watch him learn and grow, but sad at the same time.  And INCONVENIENT!  I've had to clear off the end tables and baby proof so much more.   :roll:
Me:
Married/how long: yes, 8.5 years
College: some, fine arts, ended up in new product and graphic design jobwise though
Brothers or Sisters: 1 older brother, 2 younger sisters

Okay, so it's WAAAYYY past Asher's bedtime and he's still awake.   :roll:   He spit up a bunch in bed, so I just put a matress pad over it.  I moved the crib a bit today because he can reach the vertical blinds (and plays with them in the morning - ARGH!), so I don't know if the change is throwing him off.  Hrrmmm....   :?

Oh, and we tried sweet potatos this morning.  I liked them, but he didn't.   :roll:   He now does this thing, if he doesn't want what I put in his mouth, he'll just open his mouth, gaping for a bite of pears or banana to wash it down.  It's like he won't even TRY the new foods and swallow them down.   :?   Am I doomed to buying a boat load of pears every week?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 11, 2005, 08:27:05 am
Congrats on becoming moderators! :D

Deb:I'm not sure how to help you with the solids since we're just as confused over here too :roll:  :lol: I'm glad you're on your way to feeling better.

Jaime: Feeling chipper? Great!

Tammy: Luka's tooth STILL hasn't popped. So, who knows how long the grumpiness lasts?

Heather: Yeah, tupperware sounds good. I put a bit of rice into a cooldrink bottle and we have a rattle. Luka also loves the box of tissues and any newspaper. He also has his own remote control which he loves.

Julieb, lol at 28 for the third time  :lol:

I'm 24, will be 25 at the end of this year (31/12)
Married/how long: Nope (not sure if I want to), we've been together for 4 years this month.
College: Yes, BCom (Bachelor of Commerce) in Economics and Human Resource Management. What's a BS?
Brothers/Sisters: Two sisters, one older (passed away) and one younger.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 11, 2005, 15:32:48 pm
Heather - Fishing for three days?  I would go nuts.  Maya does get bored with some of her toys, but between hand-me-downs and gifts, we have plenty to cycle through.

Jaime - Sorry to hear the kids aren't feeling well.

Christine - Glad to hear Leah's appt went well.  I'm sure it's a relief.

Welcome Tammy! I've seen you around, and I remember thinking Ethan was about the same age.  Glad you joined us.  I was also born in DE, but my family lived up in Newark.

At least for us, teething (and the inconsolable-grumpy-cranky-crying-all-day mood) comes and goes.  Maya's been like that off and on for three months, and we have yet to see a tooth.  Hang in there.

JulieB - Yeah(?) on the cruising.  I dread the thought of babyproofing.

Schae - When it got warm here, we started dressing Maya in just footed cotton sleeper for bed.

Deb - I think someone may have said the same thing, but I would give her what you feel is an appropriate amount of solids, and if she's still hungry, offer a bottle.  Do you mix her cereal with formula?  That would be one way to get more in her.  As far as quantities of solids go, we have been referring to a guide I printed from babycenter.com (though Maya doesn't eat anywhere near what they say is ok).  I'll try and find the link.  I think I saw it on the solids foods page.

As for the mid-nap poo issue, I don't know what to tell you.  Maya often poos mid-nap, but it doesn't seem to bother her.  So other than some pre-emptive diaper-creaming, I leave her be.

As for us, we've had an ok weekend.  We went downtown to the Riverwalk yesterday afternoon.  We went for a walk and dinner out.  It was nice to get out.  Maya has also slept in the last two days (7am on Sat and 8am today), so we are catching up on some much needed sleep.  Dh and I tried to watch movie Friday night, and I kept falling asleep.  I wound up going ot bed at 9pm. 

As for me...

Age: 30, but I have made my peace with it
Married/how long: yes, 5 years
College: yes, BS in Civil Engineering - North Carolina State, MS in Civil Engineering - Texas A&M
Brothers or Sisters: 2 sisters - one older and one younger, and one younger brother

And I found the solid food link on babycenter.com...

http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/baby/babyfeeding/1400680.html
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 11, 2005, 18:18:29 pm
Deborah-I refer to the Babycenter food guide, also.  They have some good info on that site, but I don't much care for their chat groups.

Julie-we're well stocked on pears over here, too.

Schae-BS is a Bachelor of Science.

Sorry for any goofs on here, I don't have my "eyes" in yet and I'm battling a sinus infection.  At least dh was here so I could pop back in to bed a bit.  Yeah, he's going to be fishing, but it won't be much different from the "singlmomdom" I used to anyway.  :wink:

Oh, and Debra, I still battle the mid-nap poops.  It's not every day now, but when it happens, the nap is over.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 11, 2005, 22:35:36 pm
Hi girls,
I still read your posts every now and then, so I haven't forgotten about you.  Sorry I don't have any advice for anyone as I'm trying to battle my own "issues" at the moment.  We've added a new one to the list - Kinlagh is teething again but the tooth poked through today so hope the pain subsides a little.  Poor thing took 1.5 hours to put to sleep last night and woke a few times through the night.  What a house we have these days!!

Anyway, saw this going around and thought I'd play along.
I'm 30 and I too have accepted it!  (What a young group we have)
Married/how long: Very happily / 4 years on October 6th
College: Yes, BSc in Forensic Science (me too Jaime!!) and Biology, University of Toronto
Brothers/Sisters: Older sister, younger brother

Hope to talk to you again soon!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 11, 2005, 23:28:17 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
College: Yes, BSc in Forensic Science (me too Jaime!!) and Biology, University of Toronto

that is too cool!!!   good luck with everything going on at your house.

julieb
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I'm 28 for the third time. You do the math. I don't acknowledge any numbers beyond 28
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  sometimes i don't remember i've gone past 25...think that's cause i turned 25 shortly after jaina was born & i haven't been able to remember anything else since!!!

have a great week everyone!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 12, 2005, 00:02:30 am
sorry to hear about the troubles some of you are having - teething still seems to be a major one! i don't know when we will see a tooth (alex got her first one at 7 mo so i am using that as a guide)

I'm 33 years old - Feb 23 - just days afetr Olivia was born so everyone blew off my bday   :cry:  figure it will be like that next year too as all the fuss will be on her 1st bday (as it should)
Married/how long: married 6 years next month (same anniversary as Jaime - Oct 14) - been together almost 11 years
College: Yes, BA in International Relations from Mount Holyoke College in MA
Brothers/Sisters: one older sister (3 1/2 yrs older) - the reason i wanted my kids close together  :)

deborah - i will check out that llink thanks.

us: good news - yesterday olivia had a 1 1/2 hr am nap (first one in forever) and 1 1/2 hr pm nap and did great the whole day.  she was up from 2:45 - 7:15 and was ok.  she can stay awake 3 hrs from am nap to pm nap so the longer am nap helped push everything out as expected.  i was going to put her down at 1pm but Dh and i both felt she was not tired yet (had been up since 10:20am) and put her down at 1:15 or so and went to sleep within 10 min or less  :D   we'll see how today goes.  because of the drop off for alex she was up from 6:40 - 09:15 and fell asleep again in 5 min.
good news 2: little TMI, but i got my period finally on Sunday which means i can now see if my meds start working again or decide on things with doc on wed.  also means i started birth control pills - so i can stress a little less abot getting pregnaant again as Dh and i have had a chat and disagree on how we would handle that if it happened  :cry:

i always mix formula in her solids and count that so it is not like she is eating a bowlful of fruit instead of milk, but i am wondering when we eliminate the 11am bottle and just do lunch?? i figured then she could eat a big lunch and then she would want a big bottle at 3pm so they are more separate.

OK - before i could even hit submit she is making noises in her cot - i think that was 40 min  :roll:  i am so leaving her to chatter and she can just chill out or go back to sleep. grr - why are they such teases - was yesterday a fluke??
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 12, 2005, 00:46:29 am
Quote from: dkjokisch
College: yes, BS in Civil Engineering - North Carolina State, MS in Civil Engineering - Texas A&M

Wow! I can't remember, are you a SAHM right now? That's quite the degree!  :D Good for you!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 12, 2005, 00:53:47 am
Debra-it seems like Kelsey never does the same thing with naps more than a day or two in a row.  Glad things health-wise are getting better for you.  Also, I considered that we would be dropping to 3 bottles around 9 months.  Does this sound correct everyone?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 12, 2005, 01:52:31 am
Thanks everyone for the welcomes!  It's nice to feel wanted!   :wink:

I'm 29, will be 30 in November.  I can't believe that!   :shock: 
Married/how long: Yes, 6 years, working on 7! 
College: Yes, BA (Bach of Arts) in English, minor in Curriculum & Instruction at University of Texas
Brothers/Sisters: One sister, 3 years and 364 days older than me!  Yep, our birthdays are one day apart!

Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a cranky teething (I hope) baby!  Today was another bad day, but the only thing I can't complain about (yet  :wink: ) is his napping and nighttime sleep.  Still taking good naps, and sleeping from 7:30 or 8 p.m. to 7 a.m.  This afternoon he napped from 2 until 4:45!   :shock:   Of course, I figure that is because I put him down, then left him with dh while I went and helped my parents unpack some stuff in their new house.  He always sleeps great when I'm not home!  :roll:  :D   Good news is that he ate like a champ today, so perhaps yesterday was an "I'm not so hungry day".

Great suggestion on rotating toys and using things around the house as toys. 

Also, Ethan is not crawling yet, but i have not babyproofed a darn thing in our house.  Am I the only guilty one?   :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 12, 2005, 03:52:48 am
Anyone have any ideas for Halloween costumes yet?  We can't decide for Asher.  I don't want to spend a fortune.  DH wants something cute and cuddly (another excuse to squeeze him!).  I want something funny, but still cute.  I originally thought of a bat, because our last name is Batt.  Then I saw some frog costumes -- we've got this whole frog theme/joke going on with Asher and our family.  Asher also loves the winne the pooh song, so I thought of pooh.  Finally, one of his favorite toys is a Care Bear (Bedtime Bear), and I saw one of those costumes!  Oi!!  I didn't think our first Halloween would be this difficult!!   :shock:  :wink:

I also got Joseph Garcia's Sign with your Baby book and read it today.  It was very interesting and I hope to start using more signs with Asher tomorrow.  I already use the "more" and "all done" signs with him.  Anyone else signing with their baby?  I read that boys are later talkers than girls.  I figured this would be the case with Asher, especially since he hasn't really started babbling yet (well, maybe he started today).  I thought the signing would really help all of us in the interim.  I've read in a couple places that some babies sign back as soon as 8 months!  That is so exciting to me!

BTW, I feel so impressed/honored to be surrounded by so many college graduates!  That's actually the only regret of my life -- that I never finished college.  Oh well, doesn't matter to me now that I'm at home.   :wink:

Deborah: I have the same problem watching TV or reading.  My eyes are closed within seconds!  Sometimes I even have a problem at the theaters!  :roll:

Tammy:  I didn't start to baby proof until Asher started scooting.  And I've done a bit more with every new mode of transporation he adds.   :roll:   I figure I'll be putting locks on all the cabinets once he can walk.  Right now I use a lot of gates.   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 12, 2005, 08:59:53 am
Julieb, I'm signing with Luka. We only do a sign for food and for all gone. But I hope to add more later.

TammyI haven't babyproofed either, and today Luka discovered that he can crawl very fast, and everything he shouldn't touch is what he wanted to touch  :roll: So, we're about to start with the proofing.

Michelle: You sound tired, hope you're doing alright. I hope everything goes well at home.

Heather, thanks... a bachelor of science is a BSc here.

Debra: Hope the meds gets sorted out. Good luck with the doctors appointment. It's nice to hear you sounding upbeat. Luka has also been stretching his awake times to 3 hours, we are on two naps a day now.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 12, 2005, 13:48:31 pm
Deb - My birthday was a month after Maya was born, and my husband still forgot.  Ironically MIL (who has never even acknowledged my birthday in the entire time dh and I were dating/engaged/married) was the one who remembered and got flowers to which she signed dh's name.

Christine - I am a SAHM, but I do work part-time from home.  I hadn't planned to (we moved when I was pregnant and had to quit my job anyway), but my previous employer asked if I wanted to work on contract.  I put in 10-15 hours a week when she's napping or after we've put her to bed.  It's great because I love my job, and it keeps me in touch with other adults.

Heather - I had thought about dropping to three feedings (BF) a day at 9mos, but we just dropped to four a few weeks ago, so now I'm thinking it's going to take a little longer for us.

Tammy - You're no the only one!  However, I did spend part of yesterday afternoon researching baby gates as Maya's stander was a bit too close to my project files, and she chewed on a set of pedestrian counts.  Making my office off-limits is going to be my first priority.

JulieB - We have some hand-me-down costumes, a dalmation and a pumpkin, so she'll probably wear one of those.  I'd imagine second-hand kids shops would be a good place to look for costumes, though.  I was going to keep an eye out for stuff for next year.  And I was just thinking about signing with Maya.  I think it would come in handy at mealtime.  I'm going to have to look for the book at the library.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 12, 2005, 13:58:55 pm
Hi everyone!

Age- 26
Marrried- yes, 2 years
College- BA in Government and International Relations from Clark University in MA (Deb that is so cool you too!)
siblings- 1 brother 11 months younger- reason I DON'T want my kids close together  :wink: heehee :lol:

Oh, so much to respond to again...I'll do my best.

Tammy- teething is  :evil: Eirwen's first tooth is halfway up and I've been through 3 bottles of motrin and 2 of advil the last month :shock: It doesn't seem to end.  She now wakes at night or at nap at exactly 8 h rs from when it was given to her last.  Kinda crazy.  I feel like the fussiness will never end.  Naps are shorter too.  I have just been throwing EASY out the window of late.  We do our best.  Feed times stay the same and she still, for the most part, goes to sleep independently.  She's been working on that tooth for about a week and the teething started a month ago I think.

Deb- I'd definitely go for more bottle v. solids.

Julie-we got Eirwen a flower costume!  It is SO CUTE!  I love it!  Our second choice was the pea pod which I thought was so cute too- I saw that one on babystyle.com, they have others.  I also saw a lizard one too which was cool but Eirwen always gets mistaken for a boy :x  so as much as I loved it I want everyone to know she's a girl...not that boys can't be flowers...but you know...oh, they had tiger ones at babies r us!
Don't feel bad about the degree.  I just finished last year- so late technically  :wink: There is always time for that.

Christine- great on Leah! YAY!  Oh, and my doc told me to do the rectum thing last time I went in.  You're not weird!!! :D

Jaime- poor luke!  Oh, that sucks. Eirwen has only been sick once and I feel so grateful for that!  Hang in there!

Us- Well, 5 couples came to the open house! YAY!  But Eirwen got NO NAPS!  It was horrible- she screamed and screamed at bed. I ended up nursing her to sleep/groggy and rocking her.  Teething hell continues.  I wish there was something more I could do. :? She is ok as long as she has her ibuprofen.

Me- Spent first night away from baby!  We had got a hotel room to go to while the open house was going on and so I decided to stay there after I got baby off to bed.  It was the first night I've ever spent away from her.  Got to take an endless hot bath and order in room service and sleep away from snoring dh, demanding cats and of course teething baby!  It was heaven.  I would really recommend this to those of you going a little batty at home.  I just don't think dh gets it sometimes or anyone for that matter how isolating it can be and that my conversations are directed at cats and baby for the most part...and how the days just repeat over and over again constantly on call.  I missed her SO MUCH but it was still so good that I went!

 :?: posted this elsewhere but have you noticed jittering? arms out to the side?  open closing hands really quickly?  new for us?

 :?: do you think it is dangerous to put a small space heater in the nursery?  there is no radiator in her room and we rely so much on her door being closed and fan (she still wakes sometimes if we even step by her room even with that!) ideas?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 12, 2005, 15:58:55 pm
Branwen:  I had to laugh so much about your night out!   :lol:  Good for you!  I'm really thinking about doing that now that Asher's more or less sleeping through the night. 
Asher used to do this waving jittery thing when he was younger.  I noticed it all the way until he was around 5-6 months old.  Not much lately.  Though when he's mad, tired, or upset and had been crying, when he goes to put his thumb in his mouth, I notice his hand is jittery as he tries to get it in.  It's like he's so wound up and tense, and he can't relax to get that thumb in fast enough.
Does the space heater have a thermostat or timer?  I think the main concern would be the unit overheating.  I think that's the danger I often hear with space heaters.  Hopefully your house will sell quickly and you won't have to worry about it.  Have you thought of a noise machine instead of the fan?  Homedics has a good one at Target for $14 with 6 different white noise sounds.  It's wonderfully portable for when we go to other people's houses (just a little bit of home).   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 12, 2005, 18:45:45 pm
julieb - luke is going to be Tigger for Halloween.  dh & i both think the costumes with eyes on the hood are creepy, so i'm kinda limited.  i found a cute little outfit on ebay (for $1  :shock: ) a couple months ago.  it's pants & a jacket with a hood & it's all orange & stripy.  jaina was a red M&M her first halloween - that was more like a baby in a bag costume.  i agree with secondhand shops - they & walmart have the best prices. 

branwen - yay on your night out!  that sounds heavenly.  noticed we're co-mods on the sleep board now.  woo-hoo! 

tammy - i've laxed on the proofing, and i'm waiting to see what kind of sneak luke will be.  jaina was never one to get into trouble she couldn't see, so we never had to do many locks on doors.  i have gates ready to block off the kitchen.  all the outlets have been covered since forever. 

christine - good news about Leah!  think i forgot to mention that before...

us - luke's fever broke yesterday & he finally started acting more like his normal self.  slowly getting his appetite back but i'm loving having my smiley boy back!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 12, 2005, 19:15:28 pm
Hi all - well I have been a little busy at work so tried to catch up on all the posts today ... OK first things

Age - I am 31 ... and also made peace with it - still feel 18 at times (though not lately!!! :lol: )
Married - Yes - 6 years on Oct 30th
College (University) - B.OT (Bachelor in Occupational Therapy) and Certified Infant Massage instructor.
Siblins - Yes - I am the eldest then brother (29), sister (24), brother (22)

seems like everyone is struggling with teething (it seems we blame EVERYTHING on teething now!!)

Someone asked about crawling and cruising - crawling does have benefits for baby such as - shoulder girdle stability (important for any fine motor activity) also left/right brain interaction and apparantly influences math skills - I know of many babies who never crawled and did not have any problems - I do encourage crawling though as it is a stepping stone in the motor development.

Well Lise has been waking up at 6:00 the last week and this has thrown off our schedule TOTALLY - I have no idea how I will get back on track.

Napping - Congrats to all who seem to have nap problems sorted ... Lise is now REFUSING to go down for last catnap (and without it is soooo cranky!!)
As soon as I put her down (she used to always sleep on her back or side) she wants to turn on her tummy (she is always on her tummy)!! and this is where the crying starts. It is as if she cannot get comfortable on her back or side and wants to be on her tummy - but once there it is OK WORLD - here I come!! I am at wits end - we have had the battle of wills today and I feel sooooo bad for not finding her comfy position. I have tried to let her figure it out herself etc with no luck. I have tried wedges to prevent her from turning - again NO LUCK. Any advice?? (I hope so with all the new moderators!! Good luck and congratulations to you all!!) 

Till later ... Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 13, 2005, 02:26:21 am
I got Asher's Halloween costume at Old Navy today.  *giggle*

He's so cute I can hardly stand it!   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 13, 2005, 02:51:58 am
:shock:  OMG  :shock:   Soooooooo cute!   :lol:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 13, 2005, 07:33:08 am
We don't do halloween here in SA ... I must say I miss it!! (we lived in Canada for 3 yrs.) I would love to dress lise up in outfit!! She is wearing her first summer outfit today though! Chat later -
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Post by: branwen on September 13, 2005, 11:51:06 am
Oh Julie your boy is SO cute and sweet in that!  I LOVE his expression!  What a sweetheart!!!  You've inspired me. I will have to dress Eirwen in hers today  :wink:  Also she has developed Asher's fascination with tags- I don't DARE cut them off now :lol:

Good to hear from you Nikki!  So she is a back sleeper and flips to tummy because uncomfortable and then cries because on her tummy?  She could just be frustrated and practicing the skill- does she know how to roll back- from tummy to back.  If not that could be what is frustrating her.    My advice would be that during A time have her practice going from tummy to back if she doesn't already.  If the wedges aren't working you could try rolled up towels.   What happens if you put her on her side?  I think Christine might have more experience with this- I seem to remember some flipping posts! :D

Jaime-that is great on Luke's fever!  I hope your little angel is back to normal soon!  YES! I signed up for sleep boards- oh boy! :shock: But, sigh, I practically live here so I might as well try to help :D  :wink:
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 13, 2005, 12:12:16 pm
Branwen - cool that you studied IR too - what did you plan "to be" when you undertook that degree? i was going to be an int'l lawyer and then worked a semester at a major law firm and decided i wanted nothing to do with the profession and knew i could not afford law school unless i worked for a big firm to repay loans  :evil:  on the positive side - travelling instead led me to meet Dh  :D . i hope someone from the open house buys your house!! and lucky you to have a night on your own - my idea of heaven - room service, a bath and a big empty bed with no alarm clock (Dh's) or kids to take care of straight away

Deborah - when alex was born it was a very long time before i could watch a whole DVD - there are still some on our collection that i know i never got past chapter 15 and need to rewatch someday  :roll:  I'll add it to my to-do list

Jaime - glad luke is doing better

Julieb - awesome halloween costume photo - they don't really do halloween here :cry:  i loved trick or treating as a kid so will miss that

us - well yesterday olivia finally rolled from back to front (99% there) she cannot figure out how to then get her left arm out from under to complete the move.  she has been doing it lots though in the past 24 hours - how do i get her to lift up off the arm?? i was so excited by it yesterday though. and then today... she rolled during her 2nd nap and woke herself up crying - she was so upset like it was something i did to her or something. i had to pick her up and calm her down and resettle her (thankfully she went back to sleep for another hour  :D ) but i am not looking forward to the switch to tummy sleeping - i remember alex did it and it took many naps of me pattng her on her back to keep her happy on her belly.  she woudl roll but not sure how to sleep that way without help. how did others deal with this?i know nikki is having a similar but slightly different problem with it.

i am doing a bit better - have my Dr appt tomorrow so will discuss how bad the PMS was this time. outrageous that it shoudl interfere with my meds so severely!!  :evil:  i can see that i am almost at 100% better again so when the meds work i am all ok.

the 2 x 1 1/2 hr naps was a one off - we are back to 45 min am nap and 1 1/2 pm - i really need that 2nd nap to grow.  at least she slept til 7 today - the 6:10 starts over the weekend were a killer for al of us - poor alex was so tired b/c olivia wakes her up when she gets up  :cry:  that is a downside to the girls rooms right next door!

solids are going really well and feeding in general is on the high end. we are getting in the garden at least once a day now that the weather is nice and Liv is awake for 2 1/2 + hours! she is loving our swing and watching the clouds and birds... a real nature lover. alex is being so sweet with her - offers to share cheerios, brings liv a sippy cup (and tries to shove it in her mouth) today at lunch she offered Liv a bite of grilled cheese and i had to explain that she is not quite ready for that  :lol:
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Post by: herbst99 on September 13, 2005, 13:31:43 pm
debra - re rolling to tummy Lise can roll from back to tummy and back again - it is just that she prefers!! (can you believe it) to be on her tummy - most of activity time is tummy and crawling with some sitting. She does not like being on her back during Atime as is think she gets frustrated with not being able to get to anything and is limited in what she can do with her one toy! With the sleeping she will start out (usually) by falling asleep on her back or side and then sometimes will roll over to tummy. This will wake her up if she is between sleep cycles ... and there in lies my problem! Now I have to go in and turn her onto her back or side and help her resettle. This has thankfully up to now only been a "napping" problem.
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Post by: Schae on September 13, 2005, 15:29:28 pm
Asher looks sooooooooo cute in his outfit!! Aw!

Deb: Congrats on the rolling! And your girls sound so sweet together.

Deb and Nikki: We have a similar problem, except that Luka has always been a tummy sleeper, and now that he can roll onto his back, he also wakes himself in the middle of his sleep. I've given up on putting him back on his tummy, and was actually wondering if back sleepers have the same problem. :? Anyway, I just pat his leg or put my hand on his chest if he wakes up, and now he's gotten used to sleeping on tummy, back and side.

Jaime: Great news on the fever breaking!

Us: Last night and the night before wasn't so good. Luka woke up in the middle of the night screaming... he didn't want to be held, he didn't want water, we rubbed some prodol on his gums, and nothing helped. Then this morning he woke up and had done the biggest poop! So, I'm guessing his tummy was sore. Not sure what to do about that though.  :?

The temp here has been between 26 deg C and yesterday was around 30 degrees and it's only September  :shock: Scared of the temps in December! Sheesh! So, Luka sleeps in just a babygrow, but it's longsleeved for the chill in the night air and a receiving blanket. Will go and do some shopping for him hey?
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Post by: Jaime on September 13, 2005, 18:03:06 pm
julieb that costume is ADORABLE!!!!  what a cutie!

deb - i can relate to the older one trying to feed the baby.  the other day jaina kept dumping cheese-its in luke's lap.  he thought they were toys, & she kept trying to put them in his mouth!  :roll:

nikki - napping thing sounds almost developmental... which may mean she just needs to grow out of it???  have you tried sleeping her on her tummy?  at least it's daytime & you can keep a closer eye on her...

schae - we're with you on the "full tummy" at night.  3 of the last 4 nights luke has woken at 6am cause he LOADED his diaper.  then he wouldn't go back to sleep.   :x  yesterday, though, when he slept normally, i had totally coated his bottom with desetin - so maybe he slept through cause he didn't feel all yucky?  i'm going to try again tonight.  and hope that his cycle switches soon!

anyone else notice that we all seem to have october anniversaries?  too weird!!!  (schae, you didn't happen to meet your dp in october, did you?)
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Post by: dkjokisch on September 13, 2005, 18:32:02 pm
Branwen - I am envious... an uninterrupted bath and room service.

Jaime - Glad to hear the fever broke.  I'm sure it's a relief.

Nikki - We had some success with wake-to-sleep when we were trying to move Maya's 5am wake-up a little later.

JulieB - The costume is adorable.

Deb - Maya did the same thing with getting her arm caught under her when she rolls over.  She's learned how to wriggle on her belly to get it out, but it probably took a week or two for her to figure out.

Schae - Sorry to hear you had a rough night.  Hopefully, tonight will be better.

Our anniversary is Nov 4, but we actually wanted to be married in Oct.  However, where my parents live, they have furniture market in the end of Oct, and there are no hotel rooms available.

Us - We went back to the PT this morning.  The stretching exercises are paying off.  Maya has full range of assisted motion in her neck and is 90% there for spontaneous active motion.  We have to go back for a follow-up in a month.
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Post by: branwen on September 13, 2005, 19:46:21 pm
Deborah- good job Maya!  That is excellent news! :D

Everyone- finally posted video on jusspress.com.  Search under Branwen to find the video.  Some are the wrong dates (now fixed camera :oops: ) but I put the correct ones in the title.  I added those of you on here as friends.

Us-Okay, I was going insane today and totally just got on the phone and called the docs office for an apt.  I can't handle all the crying no napping- I feel like I'm going to pass out sometimes, and then I just felt in her mouth- ANOTHER TOOTH. :shock:   The other bottom one is coming in at the same time- and is already at the same height as the other!  Normal? So I gave her lots of cuddles and told her I was sorry for not understanding... :oops:
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Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 13, 2005, 22:32:03 pm
Julie - that Halloween costume is the cutest thing ever.  I'm going to get Ethan a costume, but we're not taking him trick or treating or anything.  Just want the pictures!   :D

Debra - back sleepers have the same problems when they learn to roll over to the tummy!  Luckily we only had to endure issues for a week or so, I'd say, when he was about 5 months.  I'd always lay him to sleep on his back (on a wedge), but he quickly learned to roll over onto his back.  But then he would get mad after a few minutes!  It took him about a week to figure out, hey, I can sleep on my tummy too!  Now I can't keep him on his back, he immediately rolls around and settles on his tummy.  I just let him be at this point.  I know a lot of people say you can put rolled up towels, etc (not that I would do that at this point), but I always think that Ethan would grab those and cover himself up with those!  That's more of a SIDS risk with my ds than sleeping on his tummy! 

Schae - sorry your Luka had some tummy issues, hopefully things are back on track there! 

Us - we're having some issues I think after eating too much banana the past two days!   :roll:   However, I did try prunes before this, so Ethan will be getting some prunes with his dinner tonight!   :wink:

I went to my first mom's playgroup today.  Don't think I will be going back.  It was supposed to be 9 moms, but only 3 showed.  And those 3 already knew each other, so hardly paid any attention to me and ds at all.  Not that I expected to be the center of attention, but when you're sitting there while the others are all talking about people you don't know, it makes you feel stupid!  Plus, even though it was an age-specific group (so I was told), they are all older than Ethan.  He was by far the youngest there, the rest were crawling or walking, and mine just kind of does that crawl and lunge type thing right now.  Anyway, I really didn't have a very good time.  Ethan started getting cranky and tired, so I used that as an excuse to bolt!   :oops:   I'm disappointed though, cause I was hoping to find a playgroup.  Also, sometimes I feel like moms who don't do EASY think I am too controlling of his routine and what not.  But it works for us, so just lay off, you know?   :?  Anyway, that was our disappointment of the day.   :(  Oh well.

I am also excited though, because 3 other moms on my street and I have instituted a monthly lunch / dinner club.  We are all going to get together next Thursday for dinner out (no kids included) - just us girls!  I'm really looking forward to that.  Then we are going to rotate to lunch the next month (so some kids will be present), then back to dinner, and so forth.  I actually *like* my neighbors so it will be fun.  Yeah!   :D
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 13, 2005, 23:23:48 pm
HI EVERYONE!  I've missed you!

We're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  We still have a few things to iron out but a few other things are now in the past.  So again, I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to read all pages (you girls are too quick), but I can post a few things.

JulieB - What an adorable costume.  DH and I have started looking for Kinlagh but nothing yet!  Hope we can be as lucky and find such a cute one!

Nikki - I didn't read your initial post, but I've noticed a few ladies giving you advice re: rolling to tummy while sleeping.  What we did was encourage the tummy sleeping when it happened. So the first night that she woke because she had flipped onto her tummy, we just did pat/shh so she knew it was ok to sleep on her tummy - instead of flipping her back onto her back.  It took about 2-3 times that night, but that was the only night she woke after flipping.  My thought was that if I flipped her back, it told her there was something wrong with tummy sleeping.  Plus I thought it was just delaying the inevitable.  So it may be an option for you.  Good luck for you too Debra - just read that you'll be having the same issue shortly.

Jaime - What are you doing (if anything) with your Forensics degree?  I didn't end up with a Forensics job, but it's always in the back of my mind.  Also, just curious, do you watch those CSI shows?  I find them really annoying and am wondering if I'm the only one cause of my degree?   And I did notice the October anniversary trend.  That is strange cause it's not the most popular time of year for weddings that's for sure!

Branwen - Love the hotel idea.  I can't imagine a nice long bath with no thoughts of a baby crying or waking, etc.  And we currently have a sulfer issue in our well water lately so it smells like rotten eggs.  So I think I'll pass on the bubble bath at home. :?   I'll go check jusspress for your videos as soon as I'm done posting.  Can't wait to see little Eirwen in action!  As for the teeth, Kinlagh's 2 bottom teeth broke the skin 3 days apart.  (or was it 2 days)  Anyway, very normal to be so close together.  She's working on her top two these days.  Eep!

Schae - Oh to be starting the summer...enjoy the adorable summer outfits!  I just love seeing baby legs and baby toes.

Deborah - Great news on the increased motion for Maya.  She's getting there!

Tammy - A little late from me, but WELCOME!!!  Too bad about your playgroup, but your neighbour gatherings sound like fun.  We're finally starting to find a good circle in our area as well.  It sure does take some time doesn't it?

Us - We tried meat today - chicken.  I've never seen Kinlagh gag so bad.  It was hard to keep a straight face. (video on jusspress if you want a good laugh) Poor little thing.  I'm debating on trying again, but maybe one more day.  And if that's a no go, then maybe again in a week or so.  Thoughts? 

Suggestion - For those of you that have digital cameras or scanners, I'd love to see a family picture.  We hear so much about each other, but for the most part, we've never even seen each other.  Here are a couple of recent ones of us.
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Post by: thitz on September 13, 2005, 23:40:24 pm
Hi Everyone,  I'm so glad I've got a chance to write :D .

Debra, it must be really nice to be outside in the warm weather again.  I know Emily loves being outside.  I don't know what I'm going to do when it gets cold again.  Dh and I were joking about getting her one of those fur hats with the ear flaps so we can go out when it's really cold :oops: .  Dh and I both have them and people think we look funny but then when it's really cold strangers come up and ask where we got them.

Nikki, Debra, I haven't had the rolling problem yet.  But I would think that you need to teach them that sleeping on their tummy is okay.  It sounds like what Debra did with Alex is the way to go.  I kind of did a similar thing with her moving around the crib on her back.  She started getting her head up against the slats or an arm or leg hitting the slats or turned round 180 degrees.  I used to go in and put her back in the correct position but I think I was teaching her that she couldn't sleep unless she was laying the right way.  So I stopped doing that and now I put her down in all sorts of directions and now she seems better with it.

JulieB, very cute froggy costume.  Are you taking him out trick-or-treating?  I wanted to take Emily just to the neighbors, but she's completely wiped by 6:00pm.

Branwen,  it can definately be overwhelming when there's crying and no napping.   I know that I get miserable when Emily doesn't do a good afternoon nap.  I'm so glad I've got dh to bail me out when I need it!
And I don't know how you managed the open house.  That must be really hard.  Keep hanging in there.  I'm going to go have a look at your jusspress pictures... :)

Tammy, that's too bad about the playgroup.  But it sounds like you'll be getting a new one with your neighbors.  I starting to want to go to a play group and there's about 4 to choose from around here, but they're all during her nap times.  It's like they don't all know about EASY :? Anyways I'm also kind of afraid of her catching a cold.

Michelle, glad to hear that things are going better for you.  And I love your kissy face photo.  Made me smile :)

Us, well I've been reading your posts but no time to reply.  I've been spending most of my spare time helping dh find a job.  We're slowly running out of money.  Emily is doing really well.  She's dropped the catnap but I still can't get her to nap more than 45mins for her afternoon nap.  And this wipes me and Emily out from about 3:00pm on.  I got some huge laughs and giggles from her this evening when I took one of Emily's plush rattles and shook it infront of the dog and then took it away fast when the dog tried to get it.  Poor dog.  Then I switched to a dog toy to make it fair.  Maybe I'll make the rattle a sacrificial baby/dog toy.

Oh and we went to see the dermatologist finally.  It was a waste of time.  He was very close minded and wrote a prescription for a higher % cortisone cream.  He never even heard of calendula.  Urrggh.  Anyways she's doing pretty good with the calendula so we're just going to stick with that.

And some good news...that I'm kind of afraid to say.  But Emily has slept till at least 5am (with the df still) for the past week.  This is a first for us.

Have a good day/night everyone.  Tarri
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 14, 2005, 01:36:28 am
Too cute Julieb!!!!!! I'm heading to Old Navy this weekend to check out thier selection. I think they had a chicken costume that I thought was cute last year!

Nikki - Leah does the exact same thing. She was always a back sleeper and now she rolls to her tummy. Then a few hours later she will wake up crying, I think becuase she is mad she is on her belly!  :? It has gotten better. I think she needed to get used to tummy sleeping. It freaked me out at first to let her sleep on her tummy, but I figure she's old enough not to have to worry about SIDS anymore. Give it some time. Lise is the same age Leah was when she started this whole thing.

Deb - I just read your post. I didn't realize that many kids switch to tummy sleeping once they can roll. But I totally agree, it seems like she just needs to get used to sleeping on her tummy. Congrats to Livy on rolling.

Deborah - Gald to hear the excersizes are working.

Branwen - Leah cut her two bottom teeth at the exact same time!  :D

Tammy - Sorry to hear the mom's group wasn't what you expected. I have tried to find something like that around here too and couldn't. Don't let people give you a hard time about EASY. We've had some conversations on here about that. If it works for you, people should be happy you know?!?! I hope you have more fun with your neighbors on your night out with Ethan!

Michelle- I love your family pictures!! I checked out Kinlagh's video when she was eating chicken!  :lol: Doesn't make me too excited to try meats!

Tarri - Glad to hear that Emily is sleeping better! I know what you mean though, everytime I post something good on here I jinx myself!  :wink:

US: I am preparing for my sister's Bridal Shower and Bachelorette Party all here at my house on Saturday and Saturday night!  :shock: When am I going to clean and cook?!?!?! Wish I weren't back at school yet. She's getting married October 15th, I can't wait. I get to wear a cute dress!  :wink: Leah has been acting very weird lately. She has not been taking good naps and is waking multiple times in the night. I can't figure out if it's a new tooth or if my going back to work has finally hit her. Hopefully it will all work itself out soon.

Gosh, when I went to look for some family pictures I realized we don't have very many of the three of us!  :shock: Lot's of DH and DD and me and DD, but not many of the three of us. I'll have to get on that. Here are a few that I could find. The first was taken at a wedding a month or so ago and the second one was taken at the lake in July. As you will tell, Leah has my skin tone and not her dad's.  :( We were hoping she'd tan like her dad and not like me!
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Post by: julieb on September 14, 2005, 05:38:28 am
Thanks for all the compliments on the frog costume!  I don't think we'll do much of anything except take his photo!   :lol:   It's more for me than it is for him, KWIM?   :wink:   For those considering, Old Navy also had a purple dinosaur, pumpkin, bear, chicken, monkey, and I think a couple other more girly ones.  It was on sale for $15 and really good quality!  I'm very happy with it!

Asher's doing well.  He now goes 3 hours in the afternoon (in order to get a 2 hour nap), which is SO good.  I feel like I have freedom!   :lol:   He's been SO much fun lately.  His personality just seems to have exploded even more (I remember he did this around 4.5 months as well).  I figured out how to get him to like sweet potatos but still a no go on the avocado and rice cereal.   :roll:

Nikki:  We had to abandon the catnap around then as well -- despite Asher being clearly tired.  We just moved his bedtime up to compensate on those days.  Took around a week for the rolling thing to fix itself.  I just rescued him when he'd start crying (letting him fuss and struggle a bit first).  And I gave him LOTS of daytime practice to get better!   :wink:

Branwen: Soon you'll be buying toys based on their "tag factor"!   :lol:   And it's weird, he only likes the company ones.  I have one toy with multiple tag ribbons and he picks out the company tag every time!   :roll:   I have to hide the boppy tags every time I feed him -- too distracting!  Asher's bottom teeth were within a week of each other, and that second one seemed to catch up to the first almost overnight!  :shock:

Tammy: Sorry about the playgroup.  I hear that from a lot of people.  I'm in one by association.  The ladies in my bible study started one together when they started having kids.  So Asher's very much the youngest, but it's okay.  He likes to watch and such.  Sometimes I don't go when they're doing activities geared toward the toddlers.  I'm also the only BW I know.  Most think I'm quite odd, but I've gotten over it.  We just don't talk much about parenting styles.  Sometimes I can't go to the group because it's around Asher's nap time.  Oh well, just go when I can and I'll be able to go more in the future.  Hope the mom's group on your block works out much better!

Michelle: Great to see you back!  I had such a good laugh over the chicken!

Here's a couple family pics...
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Post by: dkjokisch on September 14, 2005, 13:01:55 pm
Tammy - Sorry to hear the playgroup didn't work out.  Doesn't it kind of feel like being back in high school?  Last spring I joined a playgroup through church.  It was for 3yr old boys, but several of the moms have younger kids as well, some Maya's age.  And at that point, it was more for me anyway.  We're new to the area here, and since I don't work outside the home, I don't get to meet alot of people.  At any rate, only one of the moms (out of five) made any effort to include me.  Sometimes they didn't even bother to call and tell me where they were meeting.  At the end of the summer I was "invited" to join another group with kids "closer to Maya's age".  The woman who was saying this to me has a daughter 6 days older than Maya.  LOL.  I'm going to give it another shot this fall (they reorganize groups every Sept), but needless to say, I am a bit disheartened.

Michelle - Welcome back.  We missed you.  Are your ILs still there?  I loved the photos.  Maya screamed through her baptism too.  We looked at the jarred meats, but they didn't look too appealing.  I think I might poach a chicken breast for her first meat.

Christine - Good luck with the bridal festivities.  Where do you get your energy?

We don't have many family photos either.  I had to go all the way back to her baptism in May to find a decent one.
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Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 14, 2005, 13:14:48 pm
Thanks for all the encouragement regarding playgroups.  I know I'm not the only one who goes through this.  I hear so many stories about playgroups not being that great for the moms who try to join.  I am definitely more excited about the moms on my street.  They are all really nice, so it should be a fun thing for us to do.

We hardly have any pictures of us as a family!  And honestly, hardly any of me with ds!  Most of our pictures are of Ethan, or I have some with dh and Ethan.  No one ever thinks to take a picture of me with him!   :x  :roll:

We are having our baby dedication this Sunday, so I'm excited about that!  It's not a baptism, it is just a dedication.  I will make sure we get some family shots of that one!

Here's the only family shot I could find, and it's back from Mother's Day!  It's also not a very good picture, but oh well!   :roll:
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Post by: Leah's Mom on September 14, 2005, 17:09:11 pm
JulieB - What size did you get for Asher's Frog Costume. How big is he? Leah is probobly almost 20 pounds and 28 inches long. I'm ordering hers online and I'm wondering 6-12 or 12-18. My little chubby one!  :)
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Post by: julieb on September 14, 2005, 17:52:50 pm
Christine, definately get 12-18 mths.  I even wondered if I should have gone up a size when trying it on at the store, but probably not, I doubt he'll grow out of it by then.  I didn't even attempt the 6-12 mths, I knew it'd be too small.  It's polyester ( :? ), so it won't shrink.
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 14, 2005, 18:24:39 pm
Just wanted to quickly share Kinlagh's 7 months portraits.
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 14, 2005, 18:25:13 pm
One more...a little blurry though
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Post by: herbst99 on September 14, 2005, 19:02:09 pm
Oooh all these pictures are soooo cute!! I hope to get Lise's 6mth pics done this week. all of you look like such happy families!! I don't have any other pictures of us as a family - only the christening one I already posted. Will have to do something about that.
Rolling onto tummy We had a good morning and early afternoon with naps - she settled on her back and then rolled onto her tummy and didn't wake ... but the catnap again was a disaster (about 2hrs after her 3pm wake up) I'd put her down as with all the other naps but as soon as she is down she starts straining to get onto her tummy (and she is in a sleeping bag!! Not an easy feat I tell you!)  - only realizing that when she is there she cannot go anywhere and is suppose to sleep ... which again resulted in the battle of wills. She still uses her paci for nap and sleep time (I know!!) and this also is a problem with the tummy sleeping. Well we will keep on trying and hope it will sort itself out.
 Tammy I found that you have to settle with the group that works for you and baby (doesn't always matter re age!) I am very lucky in founding 2 friends who went to antenatal with me - our babies differ in age 2 weeks and is between them sprited, textbook (with some spirited) and angel baby. I have "astounded" them with my knowledge and confinced one to use the BW method. Must say it is nice as both our babies now eat, nap etc at almost the same times.
Julie B How funny on the avo and rice cereal - Lise HATES it to. I have given up on rice cereal (have YOU tasted it YUCK) - we now give her some nestum. I don't eat avo but would like for her to eat it so - will also keep on trying!! Do you know when one can start with yogurt??
Tarri CONGRATULATIONS on the 5 am ... I can remember the first time Lise did that! Felt like I slept a 100 years. Funny - now if she wakes up before 6 am I am - OOH NO!! to early ...
Michelle How did you get her to go DOWN onto her tummy - you see Lise is already "crawling" Push up on arms and legs and then pushes forward. and this is what she does as soon as she rolled over. So I Shhh/pat with her pushed up on her arms, struggling to give her the paci ... oooh I don't know. Beautifull pictures by the way!
Goodnight all!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 14, 2005, 19:07:07 pm
Well, I'm so far behind, I'm afraid I'd have trouble catching up and doing any justice to all your posts.  But, I love all the pictures, and Michelle, Kinlagh's portraits are beautiful.  I can't find one of all of us together, just mainly all of Kelsey.  I hate being in a picture and at family functions I usually forget to request one anyway.
Julie-love the costume.  He's so adorable.

We don't have the rolling over problem at sleep.  The only time she rolls is when I put her on her belly at play time.  And usually she's twisted before I even get her to the floor all the way.  I have caught her almost on her side fully during sleep, but she places herself this way so it doesn't bother her.

Julie-did you say that Asher is having 3 hour A time, and 2 hour naps?  Does that mean you are on 5 hour easy?

Christine-good luck with the festivities this weekend.  I bet Leah is getting another tooth.  Kelsey's naps s*ck every few days, and the other night I heard her cry out many times, which is very rare for her.  I almost never hear her at night.  Dh has been wetting her paci and sticking it in the freezer, and she loves it.  She won't play with anything she can't chew on well. 

Tarri-good luck to your dh on job-hunting.  And, yes, once the catnap is gone, the evenings can be tough.  We also moved bedtime up, and it has taken until just now, after about 2 months, to get somewhat comfortable with her in the evenings.  Of course, the teething is throwing it back off a bit now.

Tammy-sorry about the playgroup.  I don't even know how to find one; maybe through a church or something?  Of course, I hardly go out during the day anymore b/c I don't want to miss her naptime.  Pitiful, I know.   :oops:

Debra-could you try to put Olivia on her belly with her arms already stiff and pushed up?  That's what finally helped Kelsey push herself over, and now she can lift up herself.

Ok, I have to go check out Kinlagh eating chicken dinner.  I have purchased some of these, but still waiting to try.  Kelsey is doing much better with the sippy cup.  However, her mama is so scared of the finger foods that I'm afraid that I'm holding her back.  Please, someone lay it out for me and tell me what to offer her.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 14, 2005, 22:09:09 pm
Tammy- I totally hear you about the play group!  This is exactly what happened at the post-natal mommy-and-me yoga I was doing.  Everyone else knew each other and didn't even care about meeting me OR Eirwen!  I couldn't believe it.  It was so depressing and I needed the support so much then.  I told my dh that I can handle the indifference to me (people in the NE seem to be like that IMHO) but when it is directed at m baby I am like NO WAY!  I hope to find a group in NM because I really need that, esp going to a new city and all.

Michelle- Kinlagh is beautiful!  You have a beautiful family!  Um...I will try to locate a photo but it won't be recent  :wink: These are from 14 weeks. We are still waiting for the 7 month ones from Target.

heather-  about finger foods- she likes the wagon wheels by Gerber.  We have the apple ones.  They are big enough for her to grab with her whole hand and they turn to mush pretty instantly!  She really likes them!  I'm not sure she understands that it is food but she at least gums them and sucks on them :wink:  :D

Christine- how long did it take for the teeth to come all the way in- can't you tell I'm dying for this to be over?! :oops:  :wink:  Eirwen has my fair skin too- it's almost translucent she is so fair!  Loads of sunscreen for us all!

Debra- how was the apt?  With IR I did International Mediation and Negotiation.  I even was studying in The Netherlands while pregnant. When I came back to thes states I worked as a mediation coordiator for local conflict stuff.  I guess I want/ed to do conflict resolution but somehow I wanted to be a mama more.  Eirwen was totally planned and for awhile I thought I would do both but I so can't imagine working in that field anymore...maybe local politics in Santa Fe would be fun when Eirwen is a bit older...then again I might have more babies by then! 8)

US- we've had a pretty horrid day today with the teething- I honestly didn't think it could get worse :?  :x .  she simply will not nap.  I even took her in today because of all the crying, head holding and ear pulling but of course they didn't find anything!  Ugh...I have my own apt tomorrow because I am just not handling things well.  I had to leave her in her crib and go outside today for about 5 min because it was just getting to be too much, and I can't even get anything done because if I leave her when she is overtired the world is coming to an end let me tell you! :roll: At least dh is bringing me dinner.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 14, 2005, 22:20:47 pm
Michelle: Lovely photos!  She is just darling!

Nikki: Yep, tasted both!  Ewww!  I eat my brown rice with soy sauce, so I can't say I blame him.  But he can't be part Japanese and not like his rice!   :lol:   So we keep trying.  I'm gonna try a few different things once I'm done with the current batch.  I keep doing the avocadoes because they're so good for you.  He'll eat both as long as there's some fruit on the spoon as well.   :roll:   I'll take what I can get!  I think 8 months is the magic age for cheese and yogurt??  But I'm planning to wait until 1 year if I can since dairy is prone to be allergenic.

Heather: It's still considered 4 hour EASY because he eats solids 1 hour after he nurses.  So he never actually goes longer than 4 hours without some sort of food.  Technically it's EAEASY!   :wink:   On finger foods, I do really ripe pears and bananas, as well as cooked sweet potato (cold and formed into chunks).  All are easily mashed with hands and gums!   :lol:   Someone just told me a trick for picking up slippery foods, shake them in a bag of dry rice cereal so they're coated.  Problem is, our ceral is home made!   :roll:   Maybe I'll introduce oatmeal soon and give that a try.

Branwen:  So you're moving to New Mexico?  Why did I think you were going to Colorado?  The teething got better after they broke through about 3-7 days.  But we lived on those teething tablets and cold teething rings!   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 14, 2005, 22:22:47 pm
Lovely lovely photos! I can see where the gorgeous kids got their looks from?  :wink:
And Kinlagh looks so cute in her portraits!

Who mentioned CSI annoying them? I love that show! lol!! But even I can see that with some of their techniques they're taking real liberty with the truth.

We had the WORST nap day today. In total Luka slept for 1h45 the entire day, and he was up at 6.30am this morning (usually 7 or 7.30am). First nap went fine, 1h15 then he refused to go down for his afternoon nap. So, because he was moaning, we went for a walk in the pram, and he fell asleep. But when I tried to transfer him to his bed, he woke and thought it was playtime  :roll:

So, at 6.30pm while having supper, he just started screaming. And eventually fell asleep and is still asleep (it's midnight here). No supper, no bath.

Wow! I hope tomorrow is better.

Tammy, I've stopped going to the baby and mom class because of how cliquey they are... just have to wait for my friends to catch up and start making babies. I think I have a long wait though, as they all feel 24 is too young to start a family. Honestly, last year I would've agreed with them, but Luka has changed my mind.  :D

Here's our family pic, it's not the best one and it's very old, Luka was about a month and a half old.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/LukasMom/Luka%20Luka%20Lu/family.jpg)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 15, 2005, 01:00:40 am
Ah, everyone looks so great in thier pictures! It's nice to put names and faces together, it make me feel like I know you all just a bit better!

Michelle - Kinlagh looks beautiful, as always!  :wink:

Julieb- Thanks for the sizing infor. I think we might go with the chicken!  :lol:


Heather - You look exactly like one of my friends, it's scary!!!!! I had to look twice to make sure it wasn't her!  :wink: Thanks for relplying to my question on the 2nd foods. I too have not fed the deserts and don't plan on it now. Too much sugar! She already stays up too much! I too think what's going on with her is a tooth. We had a pretty bad day and an aweful night last night. I just wish she'd let me look in her mouth!

Branwen - Things were bad for three to four days last time with the teeth. But now I think we are getting more. Leah would not settle for a nap at the sitter's today. She did 20 min, 45 min, then took an hour catnap for me. (I guess that wouldn't be the catnap then though would it!) She is also crying constantly. Argh!!!!! I just want my little girl back! You, DD, and DH all have such neat names!!!!

Schae - Lovely family picture. Cute dog! Mmmm, maybe today was just a bad day for naps! We had an aweful day too!

**Alirght, so I have to know. Do any of you still "jot" down naps and nighttime sleep? Or as Tracy called it, keep an EASY chart? I confess, I still write down things, but just nighttime sleep, as we seem to have issues with that. DH makes fun of me, but I love to go back and see how she slept months ago!  :D It's a treasure to me! **
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 15, 2005, 01:30:08 am
Christine-I keep charts when we have problem times, just to see if I can find a pattern.  I haven't done it lately, but I didn't keep them either.  However, I wish I had written down her different feeding/sleep schedules/patterns all these months to have as a reference for the next one.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 15, 2005, 04:32:16 am
Wow, we had a bad nap day as well!  When it rains, it pours, huh?  Then Asher went to bed early and woke up 50 minutes later screaming his little head off.  We couldn't figure it out for the life of us!  Tried teething tablets, PU/PD, nursing, suctioning his nose (thought he was clogged), singing, and DH.  He just screamed and screamed (even put my earplugs in!  :shock: ).  After I nursed him again, we just sat and I sang our nap wind down songs.  He just looked around the room, talking to the various lights (clock, monitor, etc  :roll: ).  Then I did our actual sleep ritual and he went down, played a few minutes, and back to sleep (a whole hour later!).  Goodness!  Cannot figure out what that was all about?!   :shock:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 15, 2005, 11:53:15 am
Thanks for sharing the pictures.  Love to put faces to the names!

Christine - I don't write anything anymore besides food introductions and reactions.  But Kinlagh has been a really good sleeper so there wasn't really a need.

JulieB - Sounds like we had the exact same night last night.  It took us an hour to get Kinlagh to sleep too.  She was a mess and I don't know why.  Usually it only takes one (maybe 2) pat/shh but last night nothing was working.  Not even picking her up - which is usually our last resort.  I actually had to leave her room and wander the upstairs bedrooms to distract her enough to stop crying.  That's a first!  She woke up just fine today so I still don't know what that was all about!?!  This is such a guessing game isn't it?

Schae - It was me that hates CSI.  For those of us with forensic training, it's just obvious that alot is very unrealistic.  For example, the lab technician would not be trained to do the photography and assist with the autopsy as well.  But I guess then they'd need  a staff of 200.  But I guess that's how ER nurses and docs feel when they watch ER.   Oh the world of TV.

US - I remember someone mentioning they had a "book" of leave behind notes for when they have babysitters for the day.  I'll be needing something for when dh and I go to Miami without Kinlagh so would anyone be willing to share their sample instructions?  Mine is only a page and I know I'm missing a whole bunch of stuff.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 15, 2005, 12:24:56 pm
Deborah - that is fantastic news about Maya - that was a quick improvement!! what a little trooper!

Branwen - i am sorry things are rough - especially with all the teething! My appt. went ok - she wants me to try to do more relaxation exercises ("some" would be "more"  :oops: i really need to try it). i have another one in 3 weeks so we can see where i am "at". this past week or 2 has been hard and this week was not just about me but Olivia has been up and down as well - if she would only be consistent i coudl cope again. KWIM?

Tammy - it is always hard trying to join a goup when soem of the people know each other.  there is a great service in Sydney where you go to your local early childhood centre for regular baby checks, ask questions etc (all free) and they set up mother's groups for new moms with babies similar age (usually within 4 weeks of each other). since it is a local thing everyone lives within 10-20 min of each other etc. it means everyone is new to each other and new to parenting so you go through it together.  one of my girlfriends got lucky with hers and now almost 6 yrs later they have all moved all over the place and still meet up and are all on their 2nd or 3rd kids - they go on holidays together and everything - so cool!

Michelle - glad things are improving! i realise we don't have any family photos  :oops:  just the girls or one of us with them.  hopefully this weekend we can ask someone to takle a photo and i will post by Monday with it.

for your trip (lucky you!!) when we were going to be having olivia and had friends watching alex what i did to prepare my "document" (turned into 7 pages+): as you go through a typical day just write out a rough draft - note the kind of thing that come up, what type of activities you do in certain periods, preferences (ie - if you put food on the high chair tray or give her a spoon to feed herself, etc), bath routine, etc you can them read it over and twek yor comments.  it is like a visual guide through the day and let's the caregivers know what to expect (same way the lo does)

Tarri - fantastic news about the sleeping til 5!! sorry about the money situation - i hope your Dh finds a great job soon.

Christine - i hope Leah is ok - she is probably adjusting to the recent changes! she will probably get back on track soon. have fun this weekend with all your partying  :wink:

I write everything down (i did it for alex's whole first year) - i write sleeps and food and poops  :oops:  Alex's has been a nice handy reference and also cleared up my rose coloured glasses - i found all kinds of days in there where she was napping terribly or would not feed well.. i just forgot most of them - which is kind of encouraging since it shows you mostly remember all the good stuff.

US - have had a horrible few day sand am exhausted.  yesterday olkivia only took 2 x 45 min naps  :evil:  and then this morning she woke up at 5:40am (never happened before) so i am overtired!! thankfully i got her to catnap this afternoon from 3:30-4:15 but even with that she fell asleep on her bottle at 6pm (let her doze for 20 min so she would make it through bath and take more food) between the 2 "goes" she drank 300ml (?10oz).

i am a little stressed out and slightly down.  trying hard to pull myself out of it - took the girls to the playground again.  just tense and snappy again and i know it is largely due to exhaustion as i am not sleeping well (bad dreams).  won't go into it much right now as i am off to bed and will write again tomorrow.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 15, 2005, 13:04:03 pm
Quote from: Debinoz
I write everything down (i did it for alex's whole first year) - i write sleeps and food and poops  :oops:  Alex's has been a nice handy reference and also cleared up my rose coloured glasses - i found all kinds of days in there where she was napping terribly or would not feed well.. i just forgot most of them - which is kind of encouraging since it shows you mostly remember all the good stuff.

Nice to know! DH thinks I'm a little looney sometimes!  :roll:

Here's wishing everyone a better day today!!!! It seems like most of us had a horrible day yesterday.
----------Nap, Sleep, and Feeding Vibes for all! :D ----------------------
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 15, 2005, 15:39:54 pm
Nikki- I give Eirwen the yobaby yogurt!  SHE LOVES IT! Especially the pear kind.  The best thing about it- it makes her poop! yay! She has had no bad reactions to it and will eat about 2oz (1/2).  I am usually the one to finish it off- it's yummy!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 15, 2005, 15:45:07 pm
Hi girls
I was MIA as usual. Preparing for the trip and unpacking just made it even worse. That and someone asked me if I was pregnant again:( I had a C-section and lost all my pregnancy weight but the flabby belly which I gained! So I am trying to squeeze in a 15 min workout now! It was good to see all the pics! I'll post one too though we don't have many just like all of you. Diya is doing great except for taking solids. She just doesn't want to eat anything more than 2 oz and sometimes refuses that too. Any ideas will be helpful. Whens he doesn't take solids well, she wakes up once in the night:( Her constipation also made it worse. Now she gets two tablespoons of prunes for every meal! She is going to hate that for the rest of her life! Diya is crawling very well now. She is trying to pull up to stand and is trying to hold the refrigerator and cabinets, my legs and what not! Congratulations to all the new moderators! With your busy lives, it is nice to see that you find time to help others. Kudos to all of you. BTW, what is  a super moderator? Sorry for my ignorance.
Age: 28yrs
Married for: 4.5 yrs(Got married on Jan 19)
Education: Bachelor of Engg in Electronics and MS in EE
SAHM: yes(couldn't find a job in a small town:( )

Deb: I hope that your day will be better today!
JulieG: It must have been hard for you to shuttle between a hotel and your home. Hopefully things are better for you now. Write us a line when you get a chance
Nikki: Lovely photo! Continue to do what you are doing now and it will resolve soon.
Tammy: Welcome to the group! It is hard to find friends to begin with. So, don't stress yourself about not fitting in a playgroup for babies of the same age with different kind of people. I have given up on finding a playgroup! The playgroup is always in my house and I end up cleaning the mess for hours and nobody initiates to have one in therir house after that.
Branwen: You look beautiful in your new avatar. Do you take B&W pics in your camera or do you edit your pics after taking them? DH is a big fan of B&W pics.
Michelle: Glad that things are going well for you now. Kinlagh looks so cute.I loved the pic where you and DH kiss Kinlagh. I copied it for one of my pics taken yesterday for a family portrait. We went to a Mom who takes wonderful portraits as a hobby. Can't wait to see them now. Yet to see the chicken video.
Tarri:Good luck with DH's job hunting. I loved your just press video.
Schae: Diya does that once in a while too. She catches up on her miseed naps the next day or sleeps longer that night. Luka looks so much like you. Do you hear that all the time? I am tired of hearing that Diya looks like her Dad. I keep telling everyone that she has my lips:) Gotta say that she got something of me right!
Christine: I used to note everything in an excel sheet too! DH told me that he will give up one of his bad OCD habits if I left that:) I gave it up only to write it down in a calendar(shhhh DH doesn't know that) when we have rough times. I tried the tip which you gave us for constipation and it did help:)
JulieB: That is an adorable pic of Asher. I can't wait to get Diya's costume. We don't have Halloween in India but I am excited about Diya's first Halloween. I might take her to a couple of friend's house just to show off the costume! Does cruising means he is walking? Sorry about the dumb question. What is the size of the ripe pears and bananas you give? I am scared that Diya might choke on them. Also, do you give that as a snack or as part of your solids diet.
Jaime: Glad that Luke is feeling better.
Deborah: I am sure that you must be happy about Maya's progress. Maya was one of the names which we chose for Diya.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 15, 2005, 15:46:36 pm
Deborah-that's great about Maya's improvements.  I'm sure it's a great relief to you and dh.
Debra-I wish there was something I could say or do for you.  I'm terribly sorry that you are experiencing such a rough emotional time.  But it is great that you are seeking help.  Give the relaxation exercises a try. 
 Michelle-Debra had a great idea to write things down as the day progresses.  That's what I did when I was leaving my job, and it worked great.  I would try to remember not only what she usually does or wants, but what else she could also do or want.  That way, if anything less than ordinary comes up, your caregiver will be prepared.  Write down that, for example, it's okay if she doesn't finish all the food or doesn't finish all the bottle, etc. so that person won't freak out if something along those lines were to occur.  I remember my sister being worried b/c she couldn't get Kelsey to burp.   :lol:
Branwen-how's Eirwen doing today?  I remember that you had given us a lesson on how to pronounce her name, but until I heard it on your jusspress video, it didn't click for me.  Now I go around thinking it in my head b/c I just love it!!!   :lol:  I'm glad to know you tried the yobaby, I'm going to get some today.
Christine and who's our other teacher?  :oops: -how are your classes?  It's odd not to hear from you as often since you're off at work during the day.
Vidya-Kelsey only takes 2-3 oz per meal of solids.  Otherwise, she won't finish her bottles.  Cruising means walking around by holding onto furniture.

Us-just playing the teething game.   :evil:   I sent dh off for the teething tablets.  He mentioned that one of the peds recommended against them for the Belladonna in them.  However, I can't remember specifically what she didn't like about that ingredient, and seeing as how everyone is using them without complications, I figure it must be fine.
Hopefully we'll be off for a dinner out as a family tonight.  Kelsey just loves sitting in the highchair, and has such a fun time.  He's excited to watch her.  OH, and she just might crawl after all.  She's lunging forward from a sitting position, but so far only falling onto her belly and rolling over.  But, she has the idea of how to get somewhere, right?  And, she can pull herself up from sitting on my lap facing me by pulling on my shirt.  Too cute.
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Post by: diyasmom on September 15, 2005, 15:56:21 pm
Forgot to add the attachment!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 15, 2005, 16:43:30 pm
Nikki - I forgot to mention...as far as tummy sleeping, when we had the issue, Kinlagh was not yet crawling.  We're still working on the tummy sleeping now that she's pushing up on all 4s in her crib.  She's still getting used to that new milestone which is causing us a few problems at naps and bedtimes.  So I'm sorry, but I can't really help with that one!

Branwen - Good luck with the teething.  Let's hope it was just a really bad day and things will be better today.  And don't worry about stepping outside every now and then.  We have to do what we have to do to keep our sanity!

JulieB - Good idea with the finger foods.  I just gave Kinlagh a few pieces of bread this morning.  She ate them fine, but could not pick them up and get them in her mouth.  Still figuring out those fingers.

Vidya - Did you smack that person that asked if you were pregnant?  I can't believe it!!!  Plus I'll never forget your anniversary (Kinlagh's b-day!)   :wink:   Also, I'm happy you used the squishy face idea for a pic.  We copied it off a baby card we received.  It's too cute.  And beautiful family pic!! 

Debra - {{HUGS}}.  Just like you were shoulders for me during my difficult time, we are shoulders for you! 

Us - We're having some teething issues today.  Either that or an eating strike.  She's refusing anything more than a few spoonfuls - and I'm trying to serve her favorites!  Strange.  So looks like it might be a Tylenol evening for us.
But all that teething is not stopping us.  We're heading to the mall to check out Old Navy and all the adorable costumes.  Plus I want to have a look at the new Robeez boots.  I heard they're great.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 15, 2005, 18:19:56 pm
Vidya- Beautiful picture of your family!!!!!!

Heather - Jaime is a teacher too. I still pop in every now and then during the school day on my breaks and at lunch, when I should be doing other things!  :oops: Yay Kelsey on pulling up and almost crawling! Leah has figured out that she can spin circles on her belly and roll to just about anywhere, so why should she want to crawl, right!?!?! Teething troubles here too, ahhh! Have fun going out to eat! We've gotten into the habit of Applebees carside to go. Do you have Applebees in Tennesse? Car side to go is awesome, almost like fast food with resturaunt food!

For those of you who use yobaby yogurt, what is the company that makes it?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 15, 2005, 18:20:48 pm
Asher's doing great this morning!  It's like the episode last night is a faint memory!  :roll:  :lol:

Michelle: I categorize the lists, naps, bedtime, food, diapering, etc.  I list the nap and bedtime routines EXACTLY.  I list tired signs, min & max times for A and S times, what to do when he cries/wakes during naps or after bedtime.  Eating times, how much, how to burp, what he looks like when he's full.  When to diaper and how (since we use calendula gel all the time).  I also list backup plans for when he won't stop crying with the usual methods (teething tablets, rocking, paci, etc).

Vidya: I was just thinking about you the other day!  Glad to hear from you!  On the constipation, have you tried using pears and peaches besides prunes?  That may give her more of a variety.  Asher also gets pears with every meal to keep him moving -- but he LOVES pears.  I haven't introduced peaches or prunes yet.  The banana and pear finger foods I give are cut into small chunks, about the size of a pea or half a grape?  And they're ripe enough that they're easily mooshed with his tongue and gums. 

Heather: Your pediatrician doesn't understand homeopathy.  When certain plants are eaten in HIGH amounts, they cause certain reactions in people (belladona causes fever, I believe).  But when given in EXTREMELY minute trace amounts, they actually trigger the body's own defense system to treat the same symptom.  A homeopathic dose of Belladonna actually reduces fever.  Coffea Cruda (coffee) causes high energy and sleeplessness.  But in homeopathy, it helps treat sleeplessness and calm racing thoughts.  I gave Coffea Cruda to Asher every night for a couple months when we were having a rough time with the teething and bedtime craziness.  Worked like a charm.  Homeopathic rememdies won't work or do a thing unless you are treating the appropriate symptom with the correct rememdy.  That's why sometimes, when I use teething tablets on Asher, they don't work because he's crying because of something else, not teething.  When using a correct rememdy, you should see results quickly, within 5-15 minutes.  You can give an initial dose, and if you don't see results within 5 minutes, give a second.  If you still don't see results 10 minutes later, it is misdiagnosed and something else is the culprit.  HTH!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 15, 2005, 18:37:02 pm
Julie-you're such a wealth of knowledge.  It was one of the 3 different peds we have seen with Kelsey.  We have settled on the 3rd and decided to stick with him.  His manners are more to our liking, and his knowledge is extrodinary.  It was another one that said no to the tablets.  The one we now see also sees my friends' twins, and they use the tablets, too, per his recommendation.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 15, 2005, 19:13:13 pm
heather - yes, i am the other teacher  :lol:  i never post at work cause i'm never sure if they're watching what we're doing.  i usually log on as a guest once or twice to try & keep up - but then i sometimes forget to post when i get home!!  :oops:  luke is doing the same thing as kelsey about trying to leap out of my lap while he's sitting.  scared the pants off me the first time he did it!!!!  now if he could just put it all together and crawl...

michelle - YES csi drives me batty.  can't watch it.  i sort of use my degree; it was almost a double major in forensics & chemistry; ended up with a major & a minor instead.  i teach high school chemistry.  my school bullied me into teaching physics this year, which i don't know or love so much, but oh well.  thankfully dh is an engineer and can tutor me!!!  hoping that one day i can teach a forensics class... maybe when i  go back full-time....

christine - know what you mean about the screwy routine.  these touchy & spirited ones need them so badly - and it takes so long to adjust to a new one.  at least i'm seeing more good days than bad now, but boy, when they're bad, they're bad!!!

vidya - WOW what a degree!!!!  and i can't belive someone asked you if you were pregnant!  how incredibly rude!!!

okay, i forgot to open this into another window, so i'm going on what i mostly remember here...

branwen & deb - hope things go well with your dr. appt. 

tammy - there is a group for you somewhere.  i'd certainly look for a new one too!  it's so hard to go up & talk to people - i almost never do...

and to all with teething problems - we're with you... why won't they just come in?????!!!!!

LOVE seeing everyone's pictures - so nice to put faces with names.  and here are some of us.  i had to look to find good ones... and never really did find a decent one of all 4 of us  :roll:  so the first one is a cute recent one of the kids, the second is luke for his baptism, and the last one is dh & i when we got to go to a wedding about a month ago.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 15, 2005, 20:14:03 pm
Quote from: jaime-jaina&luke
i never post at work cause i'm never sure if they're watching what we're doing.

That scares me too. But, I figure if they are I am technically logging on during my duty free times (lunch and breaks). Oh well, if I get fired for coming on here during the school day at least then I can be a SAHM!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 15, 2005, 21:00:39 pm
Wow! Loads of posts...

I can't stay on long, we are having another horrible night. Luka isn't comforted by anything I do. The only thing I haven't done is bf him, but I'm very tempted. It must be teeth, Branwen we're in this together. It's the only explanation because he had a BM today. A HUGE one, at the mall... all over his clothes and clever mommy didn't bring a change of clothes  :oops:

Vidya: lovely to see you back. I also give Luka pear or peaches, and it works (see above about his large BM  :oops: ) Thank you for saying Luka looks like me. Everyone says he looks like his dad, and that he's only got my skin colouring.  :( Your comment made my day :D So, I say Diya looks JUST LIKE YOU!!!  :D

I'm almost certain that our babies communicate with each other, yesterday they all decided not to nap, and today, they decided unanimously that they would teeth!  :lol:

Here's to tomorrow being better! *Did you hear that babies??*

edited for spelling
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 15, 2005, 22:40:46 pm
Schae: I totally thought Luka looked like you as well (but not just your skin color, your facial features!)!  But I wasn't sure how it would be taken to say your "boy" looked like his mama ("girl"), KWIM?   :wink:

Everyone at first glance thinks Asher looks like me simply because of his coloring.  But he actually has most of the facial features of DH (got my lips though!).  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 15, 2005, 23:12:13 pm
just a quick note before i jump in the shower (have an old friend frommy old mother's group visiting this morning)

we don't have yobaby yogurt here but i read a note about it on another site about baby food - check and see the sugar content. apparently it is very sweet??  what i used with alex was plain natural yogurt with no added sugars and then i wouodl add some fresh fruit puree for falovouring.

now she has full fat biodynamic yogurt with no added sugar (uses only fruit and fruit juice - no refined sugar).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 16, 2005, 00:41:04 am
Hi everyone,

I missed you guys.  Our internet has been down for two days. :evil: I can't possibly catch up. :o

Everyone, I love all your family photos :D .  I've got to remember to take one of all of us tomorrow hopefully.

Branwen,  I think you're being very smart by taking 5 minutes when you have to.

Debra, hope tomorrow's better for you.  I'm sending you e-hugs.

about logs, I've kept almost a daily 24hr diary since we started EASY at 10 weeks.  For some reason, writing down her particulars helps me feel more in control.  And in the beginning I was getting so little sleep I needed to write the times down so I could keep track myself :oops:

About babysitter instructions, I haven't left her much but I tell the babysitter (ie grandma or dh) her next sleep (I let them watch a winddown ritual) and eat times and if she doesn't cooperate for either then just hold her and do whatever to keep her happy till I get home.  And absolutely NO crying it out allowed.

Us, We're doing pretty well.  She's smiley almost all day and is starting to have a better second nap.  And we don't do catnap anymore and she's in bed by 6:20pm. 

I forgot to share my particulars.
Education: BSc Mechanical Engineer, P.Eng.
Age: 30 (eeks!)
Married: will be 4 yrs on Oct. 20th
SAHM because I couldn't handle (well) full-time work and a baby (I told dh this before we got pregnant)

Hmmm, I just went up to do our usual 8:30 df and she only drank 3 oz! :shock:   And was staring at me with wide open eyes but no crying or anything.  I hope she doesn't starve in the morning!

Good night/day everyone!  Tarri
Title: Can I please join in?
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 16, 2005, 08:42:17 am
I was just wondering whether I could join in with your 'chats'.  I have been dutifully reading this thread from quite far back (not the start though! Way too long :) ) and would love to join in the fun.  My ds is 2 days older than Asher! (see I know you all already).  He is a  textbook baby with a lot of angel thrown in (angel mainly where sleep is concerned).

Thanks,
Hazel
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 16, 2005, 10:34:42 am
Did I just say he was an angel where sleep was concerned?!  He must have heard me and decided to have a short nap :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 16, 2005, 11:57:47 am
Hazel - you are more than welcome to join us... we might just get mad with your angel/textbook baby since this group has lots of spirited / touchy. grumps etc  (just kidding - new people have joined us over the months and it feels like everyone has been here since day 1)

ok us- today was another 2 x 45 min nap day and only through a miracle did i finally get her to catnap to make it through to bedtime (it took almost 40 min to get her down and i finally had to leave her to it and she finally just stopped squealing and doing whatever she was doing  :roll: )

what am i doing wrong??? i had at least accepted that she would do a 45 min morning nap and a 1 1/2 hr afternoon nap and was just praying for that one to EXTEND - how can it go backwards?! any ideas? i am going toi look through my notebook and see if there is any similarity between the 2 days that she did this so far this week. 


to top it all off today was a dreary, cold, cloudy, wet day and i was exhaiusted so it was a pretty yuck day altogether.  and my friend that came by was a nice visit but her lo trashed my house  :roll:  and they left without so much as helping clean up  :roll:  :roll:

i am watching a flick with Dh and drinking a nice white wine - must dash off will check in tomorrow when i can tead through the past 2 pages and what i will find when i wake up.  take care all of you!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 16, 2005, 14:32:09 pm
Sorry for being out of touch, but I'm working on against a  deadline.  I've been trying to read along - I just haven't had alot of time to comment.  Hopefully, I'll be back later today.

BUT, I have a question.  Maya has started to balk at taking a late-afternoon catnap.  We expected this was coming as depending on her wake-up time and nap length/quality, some days she doesn't need it, and we don't even try and put her down.  So, I have been slowly trying to extend her awake time before her first and second naps to better balance her naps throughout the day.  Otherwise she winds up being awake for 4+ hours before bed, is super-cranky by dinnertime, and falls asleep during her bedtime feed.  (We've also temporarily moved bedtime a little earlier.)  However, when I keep her awake longer (up to 2.5hr or so from 2hr), her subsequent naps are shorter (1.25hr vs. 2hr), which kind of defeats the purpose.  In the end, she's getting less daytime sleep, and I still have a cranky baby at the end of the day.

Michelle, I think you mentioned going through this awhile ago.  Anybody have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions?  I'll post on the nap board too.  She's awake now after only 1.25hr, and is only fussing, so I have yet to intervene, hoping she'll go back to sleep.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 16, 2005, 15:43:10 pm
Deborah, I'm in somewhat of the same situation.  Kelsey dropped the catnap more than a month ago, however.  Yet she is wanting 2.5 hours of A time, used to be 2 hours, and naps have gone from 2 hours, to 1 hr 20-30 minutes.  I've moved bedtime up since she dropped catnap, and she's adjusted more to the longer awake time till bedtime, but I'm still worried she's not getting enough nap time.  She wakes on her own, somewhat happy, but a little fussy, too.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 16, 2005, 16:41:57 pm
Heather & Deborah - I did post a detailed description of what we did when dropping the catnap about 20 pages ago.  For us, it was a very gradual process.  Deborah, your concern re: 4 hours awake before bedtime is normal.  I've been told that babies can (and should) have much longer awake times in the afternoon than in the am.  4 hours is very normal and is exactly what Kinlagh is doing (up at 3:00 from 2nd nap, and bedtime at 7:15-7:30)  Oh wait, I had emailed the process to a friend of mine and just found it.  Here it is:

3 to 2 naps:  We just recently got rid of Kinlagh's 3rd nap.  Here's what we did.  Might be a long story since there were alot of factors.

1- We would have a very quiet & restful awake time around when she used to have her catnap (4-4:30pm). Usually involved a car ride, watching a video or cuddling with mom on the couch with a soft plush toy, but no major play (no tickling, no tummy time, etc). For the first little bit, she may fall asleep (20-30 min), but never in her crib - too deep of a sleep in her crib.
2- She would have an earlier bedtime on some days during the transition
3- We then started lenghtening her wake times between naps. Here's a guideline I received on a BW forum. Generally, the hours of awake time is 2-2.5 hours/3 hours/3.5-4 hours (before morning nap/before afternoon nap/before bedtime) So as you can see, they can stay awake longer after nap #2 til bedtime
4- Also, we used to count the hours of wake time between naps, but we were then given the advice to just try keeping nap times at same time of day regardless of wake time. For example, if she woke from nap #1 early, keep nap #2 at 1:30 regardless - since that's when she's used to napping. I think this is what made the biggest difference in the length of nap. (45 min to 1.5 hours) So now we have a 9:30 and 1:30 nap whether she naps for 1 hour or 1.5 hours.
Update:  FYI, even though I posted this 20 pages ago, this is still what we're doing to this day and she's still getting 2 x 1.5 hour naps at 9:30 and 1:30. 


US - We just had the scariest moment.  Kinlagh was on the change table and giggling like crazy...until...she choked and peaches and mucus started coming out her nose (sorry for TMI).  She couldn't breathe and had a look of panic on her face.  She started wailing (good sign - at least she was breathing) I ran downstairs for the suction with her bare bum in my arms and suctioned the mucus out of her nose (which she hated).  She was grasping at me and looked terrified.  Poor little thing.  She seems fine now but what a scare!  All this in the middle of packing for a weekend away.  She's also cutting ANOTHER tooth, running a bit of a temperature and had an eczema breakout today.  Plus we're expecting the remanents of Hurricane Ophelia out here.  Talk about signs we shouldn't go away!    Pfew, think we're going to go anyway, but I hope she's ok!  And today is supposed to be TGIF isn't it!?!  She's napping right now, but I'm guessing I'll be in to check on her every 10 minutes to make sure she's breathing and ok.  Scary mommy moment! :(  :(

So I will chat with you girls on Monday when we get back.   Wish me luck!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 16, 2005, 17:59:43 pm
Holy separation anxiety, Batman!   :wink:

I think Asher's episode the other night was separtion anxiety.  DH put him to bed last night and all was well until he put him in the crib.  Each time he'd pick him up, Asher would snuggle in and put his thumb in his mouth.  Once he was back in the crib, he'd start crying.   :?:   So DH rocked with him some more and then Asher started to fuss as if he was ready to go to sleep.  So he put him back in the crib and off to sleep he went!  So weird!  It was like he just wanted a little extra wind down and snuggle time!

Hazel: Welcome!  Don't let Deb scare you off!   :wink:   We LOVE angel babies!   :lol:   No really, makes me start dreaming about my next!   :wink:

Deb:
Asher's naps started getting shorter as well.  Then I happened to keep him up long one day because we were going to my mom's and he slept 2 hours again!   :shock:   So that's when I worked on increasing his awake time before the afternoon nap.  Seems like 2:45~3:00 hours is what it takes in order for him to have a 2 hour nap again.  The morning one is still down to 1.5 hours, but I don't want to increase the morning A time anymore than it is.  I noticed the couple days he took a 2 hour morning nap recently, his afternoon naps were shorter.  So since the morning nap will eventually get shorter and shorter and drop, I'd rather preserve that longer afternoon nap.

Deborah: We had a lot of wackiness when trying to extend Asher's awake time and loosing the catnap.  We had to extend quite slowly, and I'd still end up with some short naps.  And then some days we'd TRY for a catnap, but it wouldn't work and we'd just have to do our best until the earlier bedtime.  It was frustrating, but evenutally settled down.  Can you try to extend those shorter naps?  Sometimes if I knew Asher was indeed still tired, I'd work on extending all the way until we hit 2 hours (and if he fell asleep again, I'd let him go long).  It was all we could do to deal with that missed catnap!

Michelle:  Glad Kinlagh's okay!  Have fun!!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 16, 2005, 18:28:51 pm
Ok, met my deadline so now I have some free time (though I suppose I could clean the house, but nah).

So I did a little experiment.  Thus far, everytime I tried to extend awake time beyond 2.5hr, I have gotten a short nap in return.  And yes, I know those of you having napping troubles are sliently cursing me for complaining about a 1.25hr nap.  But, if she were happy when awake, I'd be happy with whatever length nap she was taking, but she's not, so I'm not.  Back to the experiment, I put her down after 2.25hr awake, and lo and behold, she's still asleep after 1hr 55min.  I obviously still need to work on extending her awake time, but I can see it's going to be a very fine balance.

Ah, it sounds like my little chunkfree monkey is awake (and happy!).  I'll be back - I have four pages to catch up on!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 16, 2005, 20:05:59 pm
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Thus far, everytime I tried to extend awake time beyond 2.5hr, I have gotten a short nap in return

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but I can see it's going to be a very fine balance.
Just thought I would share some info with you - Because babies cannot regulate their sensory environment and still struggles with all the sensory input around them (sound, smell, movement, touch, sight, hearing, taste, body position) they get overstimulated easily (who has forgotten the screaming withching hour between 5 and 7!!!!). What happens with baby during awake time is she will usually towards the end of her "happy alert" state go into a time where she gives your tired signs. This is the BEST TIME to put baby down and will usually result in a longer sleep (in theory anyway!!) This is because baby did not get into the OVERSTIMULATED state and was able to self calm into sleep. We ourselves will still at times wake up at night if we have alot on our minds ... and the same for babies!!
Great book if anyone is interested (Baby sense by Megan Faure - she is also an Occupational Therapist and Ann Richardson).
So - the thing is to read baby's signs!! and hopefully we catch them at the right time because as you said - 15min. makes a HUGE difference.

OOH MY GOSH - poor Kinlagh!! Seems like you kept your cool though! I bought an Angel Care monitor (monitors breathing also through sensor below the mattress) and must say I don't know how I would get any sleep without it - I STILL check even with the monitor! Had a few times where I picked DD up for DF and forgot the monitor was on ... only to be STARTLED and DD Woken by the ALARM that sounds! Learned my lesson though.

I have a question re babies WEIGHT and amount of milk feeds you all give. Can you give me an indication as Lise is now really going WAY up in weight.

She has 5 bottles (incl DF) of 200ml thus 1 liter of Formula and the 2 tablespoons of cereal and 3 tablespoons veg and 3 tablespoons fruit in the day. I am trying to figure out how to start making the formula less  without her missing out on important nutritian. She now weighs 8.7kg!!!

Thanx![/b]
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 16, 2005, 23:47:10 pm
Us - thanks for all your feedback on the naps.  will try to work on finding her right awake time - this morning she woke at 6:49 and i put her down at 8:55 and she only slept 30 min  :evil:  i am leaving her in there as she is juust doing lots of tired talk and if i am going to keep her on any kind of track for the day then she needs to stay in there until almost 10am. 

Michele (and julieb) - i have noted the awake times you mentioned!! glad to hear Kinlagh is ok!!!

Nikki - olivia has 5 bottles and her intake is betwee 170-270ml per bottle (lately at the bedtime feed she can take up to 300+ ml  :shock: ) and she eats between 2 1/2 - 4 1/2 TBS of solids x 3 feeds.  she was 8.6kg at 6 mo so i have no idea what she is now !!

got to get this nap thing sorted out!!!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 17, 2005, 00:32:48 am
Hazel, welcome.  I look forward to getting to know you and your dc.  Thanks for joining our chat. 

Girls, if you add the other thread that is now locked, we're around 100 pages!!!!

Michelle, bless your heart, as us southerners like to say.  I'm sure you were scared, and I'm glad she's okay.

Nikki, Kelsey has 4 bottles/ day, of 6-8 oz each.  She does about 8 oz total of solids per day.  I'm not sure of her weight right now.  I'm guessing she's between 17-18 pounds and 26-27 inches.

Julie,
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Holy separation anxiety, Batman! 
  That's too funny.  I think the same thing must of been going on today with Kelsey because she never took a second nap.  Just cried every time I put her down.  She was up from 12:20-8 pm.  :shock:  Funny thing is, so was about as happy as I've ever known her to be today.  :?

Me, I'm off to watch a movie I rented.  Oh, and I think I found a costume I like for Kelsey.  Will post pic when I get it.  Have a great night!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 17, 2005, 22:09:37 pm
Hi everyone!

I will try to remember all the posts but bare with me, it's a stressful time :(

Hazel- Welcome, please join in! Your angel baby sounds delightful.  It will be great to have you around to remind us of all the lovely things about babies!! :wink:

Michelle- that is so scary about the peaches.  I'm just so glad she is ok.

Heather/Deborah/Deb- re: naps.  I hear you!  I am also trying to find the right awake time.  With the teething sometimes she goes 5+ hours and then is delirious- SEIROUSLY- laughs at nothing and is so jittery and shakey and of course crying if I try again to get her to sleep. :cry:   The past few days I have even taken to nursing her before naps.  :oops:  This was partially because she was off her schedule because of no naps and would then be tired at feed times, etc.  Also it seemed to calm her down and get used to the sucking so when she made the transition to thumb it didn't hurt so bad.  Also, after dropping the catnap she now wants it back and we have on occassion had a 4pm nap because due to teething she has not been able to make it past one cycle.  Sometimes I get a 1.5 hr out of her but it is rare.  So we've actually been doing 3, 45 min naps.  That is what happened today.  Today I must say was much better and I only gave her 1/2 dose of motrin...YAY!

I am not sure set naps times work yet for Eirwen- I have experimented with this and we are good for about a week and I think I am in nap bliss and then the pattern breaks because she has gotten overtired one day or isn't tired enough depending on pervious experience. :?

Nikki- Eirwen weighs 18 lbs 3 oz and is 28 in. She bf 4 times per day (aprox 24 oz) and gets an additional 4 oz from what I mix in with solids. Eirwen is eating about 12 oz of solids per day :shock: 

About the yogurt- it is by Stoneyfield Farms and is organic. all natural.  It says the sugar is all natural too but is 16 grams.  I'm not sure what that means exactly.  I think it is more "rich" than sweet because of the whole milk.  Now I wish she didn't love it so much :( , but I guess I'd rather her be hooked on that than some other things :wink:

Us/Me- Meds were played with a bit.  I'm in an adjustment period, not sleeping too well but I will wait it out a week and see how I feel.  Kind of bumming about the house, we've only had 6 showings and no bites and it is SO CUTE!  But must be clear headed- it's only been a week! 8)

Happy Eirwen News- Eirwen has named everything "Ack".  It is so cute.  It is said like a word not as a "baby sound".  She says it when she sees the cats, me or dh or anything she is interested in.  If I say it back to her she busts up squealing!  It is adorable.  She also woke up today with more hair- it's going to be curly like mama's.  So sweet!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 17, 2005, 23:58:38 pm
Nikki, thanks for reminding us about reading their tired signs.  I think I'm getting so wrapped up in extending Emily's A time that I'm keeping her up too long too fast :oops: .  Emily drinks 5 bottles of about 6oz a day and 7.5 tbsps rice/oat cereal, 2 cubes fruit and 2 cubes veg.  I think she weighs almost 18 lbs.

Branwen,  that's so cute about Eirwen saying 'Ack' :) .  Emily does these squeally noises now and her latest is going 'mmmm' as she pulls her bottom lip into her mouth (reminds me of your 'tooth face' video).  But I think any kind of words are a long way off for her.  And hang in there with the meds and house stuff, these things usually take a little time.  Are you waiting till you sell your house before you look for a new one?

Nap issue moms, I've had the same problem for over a month now :(  :evil: .  I always get a good morning nap (1.5 hrs) but then usually a 45 minute afternoon nap and I have a hard time getting her to take a catnap.  I've played around with her A time between naps without any consistent success.  But if she does a 1.5hr afternoon nap then we skip the catnap.  If not I can sometimes get her to take a 20mins catnap.  But either way she's wiped out by 6pm.

Us, what activities do you guys do in the late afternoon before you lo's dinner?  Emily is really fussy and irratible at this time and without the catnap I don't know how to get her in a calm state for 1/2 an hour other than a stroll or car ride.   I resorted to 15 mins of TV for the first time (which I feel guilty about) but even that didn't calm her.  I wonder if a baby video would be better, but really I don't want to use TV.

Happy Emily news (I'm going to follow Branwen's lead and add a happy section to all my posts) She has rolled from tummy to back 3 times :D .

Have a good day/night everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 18, 2005, 01:06:45 am
It's me again.  I was reading the oct/dec mom's chat and got the idea to give her a teething biscuit (baby mum mum?) just before dinner to keep her occupied.  This would probably be as bad as TV!

And I had to share that I practically had to force Emily to drink just 2 oz for her dreamfeed. 

Goodnight Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 18, 2005, 01:20:14 am
Hi everyone:

Sheesh, I'm trying to catch up on everyone's posts but I keep falling behind.  Okay here goes:

Michelle, whew, glad Kinlagh is okay, that must have been so scary. 
Julie - too cute with the costume. 
Everyone:  I loved all the pics, please keep them coming.
Diya's mommy, she is gorgeous and looks like both of you!

I am forgetting about a zillion things I wanted to respond to so please forgive me.

Okay, regarding naps and food:  Matty isnt able to stay up more than 2 1/2 hours between naps and often gives tired signs right at 2 hours.  I thought at 7.5 months he would be able to go longer, but he's not ready.  He is also not ready to give up the five oclock nap or the dream feed. He is still downing 8 oz at 11:00 DF so I guess we're keeping  that a bit longer.  Its a bit tough because sometimes I get home late from work and I want to go right to bed but have to stay up for his late feed. But he's worth it!

Finger foods:  I am scared of the finger foods and choking!  how are you guys doing that?  I bought those little Gerber dissolve in your mouth thingies and I tried a few and it took like a minute to dissolve, so I wont give it to Matty.  Who said they tried the Gerber wagon wheels?  Arent those dangerous?

Another thing, I think I am the grandma in the group.  :o   Is anyone here over 35 like I am?  or even close?  I hope you all don't mind a "senior" mommy in here (only in age, not experience).

Hugs to everyone

Julie G

PS:  Matty is still Spirited but he is so much easier to care for now.  I really think he was having a lot of tummy troubles until about a month or two ago.  I am sure now that the reflux was really tough on him.  He is such a happy pleasant baby now!  I would say textbook maybe.

PPS - How do people NOT follow easy?  I think we would be lost without the nap and feed schedule.

One more thing, Our anniversary is Nov 2 and we almost got married at the end of Oct.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 18, 2005, 02:05:43 am
New Pictures!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 18, 2005, 05:01:40 am
Julieb: lol lol lol @ the mama's boy comment!  :lol: I think Asher has your face shape too (from the avatar pic). Shame man, Asher needed a cuddle? That's so sweet.

Hazel:Hi and welcome to the chat! Look forward to hearing more about your angel child!  :wink:

Deb: Did you enjoy the wine? Yum! Good luck with the nap issues. I don't really have much advice, as I'm happy when Luka naps for an hour.. he really fights sleep. And even had a 40 minute nap the other day and refused to be put down, and was happily awake for 3 hours after that.  :shock:

Michelle: :shock: that is so scary about the peaches! I'm glad she's okay. Are you okay?

Nikki: Luka has 5 BF a day (including the dreamfeed), so I guess it's 4 feeds now that we've dropped the dreamfeed. He has solids 3 times a day, and at 6 months he weighed 7.92kg, so I'm guessing he's at around 8.2kg or something like that.

Branwen: I hope Eirwen's tooth comes through soon, it sounds like you and her are really struggling. And good luck with selling the house. What's the housing market like in your area? That is SO cute about 'Ack'... aww!

Tarri: In the evenings, because Luka has dropped his catnap, we go for a walk in his pram. It seems to calm him down. He doesn't sleep, just calms down enough to have dinner and a bath. I think TV would stimulate him further, and since he's already tired, I wouldn't want to overload his senses with more sensory input (I read the same book Nikki does)

JulieG: I have given Luka toast cut into 'soldiers' as fingerfood. He knows how to 'chew' and there haven't been any choking episodes (knock on wood). I've also given normal bread, and pieces of fruit. Lovely photos btw!

Us: Luka has slept through for the last 2 nights!  :D  :D
The day before yesterday, it was just Luka and I in the house. He was a bit niggly late in the afternoon, so I decided to move everything up by half an hour. He got supper at 6pm instead of 6.30pm, and had a bath at 6.30pm. By 7pm he was asleep.

He woke four times, twice I had to resettle him, but I only said 'shhh' no patting or singing  :wink: the other two times he sent himself back to sleep.  :D I decided to give the dreamfeed a miss and see what would happen. He woke at 5am. This morning it was 6am.  :D

Needless to say: I'm chuffed. But I didn't sleep  :roll: Got up at every sound he made, only to find him sleeping. :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 18, 2005, 10:58:11 am
Branwen - very cute about "ack!!" sorry about everything else that is causing you stress- PM me anytime.

Tarri - congrats on the rolling! about the DVD or TV - i find that for Olivia she likes DVDs and sometimes chills out watching BEinstein with alex. other times she gets all giddy, either way she is no worse off and it gives me a break and she is "doing" less.  i usually put her on alex's little sofa by the window so she can look outside instead if she prefers. i don't have such a hard time with her when she is overtired / awake.  the problems always come when i go to put her to bed or sometimes at the feed if she is exhausted

Schae - i am so thrilled about Luka's sleeping progress. i hope it continues!

Julie - I am 33! although some days i still feel 28 and others i feel 100! i still have to do the math to figure my age when people ask (2005 now, born in '72...  :lol: ).  Glad to hear Matty is doing well.  isn't it funny how their temperamnets change?  i don't know if you noticed on my signature that Liv is now Spirited / Textbook / Angel - almost equal parts - most of the spirited stuff is still to do with her evil napping! but she goes down on her own and sleeps through the night - she just does not want to sleep too much in the day  :roll:

Us - still in nap hell and am sad to see so many of you there with me.  this morning she took 45 min to go down for first nap and (i had gone grocery shopping and left her with jeff) she was up 20 min later and screaming and crying.  he figured it was teething or some other discomfort so finally gave her panadol and when i came home 10 min later she cried even when i smiled at her  :cry:  when the meds finally kicked in she was happy again.  she is eating really wel but day sleep is terrible.  she did 1 hr 30 for 2 nd nap at least but then we had to be out this afternoon for stuff for our residency application (had to be fingerprintred at the police station to arrange background checks on us in Thailand, England and USA) so we did not get home until after 6pm so no catnap!!  she already has awake times similar to what you recommended Michelle and others who mentioned 2 1/2 - 3 hrs...  I am nt sure if the problem is that some days i work off of amount of awake time, others i stretch her to get to at leats 9am regardless of awake time, others i see she is desperate for sleep and put her down in 2hrs or less.  what to do????

Me - i am in a similar boat to Branwen and have reached another rockbottom this week/end.  I thought it would get better after geting my period but it has gotten worse.  Friday and Saturday were terrible and both Dh and I are on the verge of a nervous breakdown - he is under stress at work and helping me, i am stressed about olivia's naps and am exhausted and can tell my meds are not helping now.  at least we got the residency stuff sorted and now can wait a month or so for next step in process (and more stress) Saturday i really lost it - Dh and i were yelling, i used a lot of 4 letter words in the house and on the phone to my mom (her advice was "if she won't nap you can't make her so don't drive yourself crazy" to which i "pleasantly" replied in a looud voice "she is not 25 bloody years old - she cannot decide what the hell she wants to do.  she NEEDS to sleep!" you get the idea. i know she was tryingto support me - but giving up on the naps seems impossible for me to do KWIM?.  i ended up hysterically crying on my bed to Dh and told him i am afraid i am back to square one... He did not think it was that bad and iknow he feels bad because some of the reason i got more stressed was because he was cracking under the pressure and said he needed me to help with the residency stuff because he couldn't do it all...

sorry to vent so much - today was better for me - i got out to IKEA with a friend and bought some cool things - i seem to be using retail therapy for the first time in my life lately and bless his heart Dh has not told me off yet - i had best cut it out though!! at least i got a little break.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 18, 2005, 16:50:56 pm
Debra:  Sorry to hear you are going through a rough spot.  I think its totally normal and thats what this board is for.  When I know that you guys go through this stuff too, it makes me feel better on the days when I start "hysterically" crying!  Hang in there, it will get better. 

Matty is being very inconsistant with his naps too. WE had started doing really well but the teething is just going on and on and he sleeps anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours!  The weirdest thing is that on the days that I work, he usually sleeps the two hours!!! My sitter says thats normal and he knows when Mommy is home.  I honestly dont know what is normal, but am so happy he is at least sleeping through the night.

Schae:  So happy for you that you got two nights out of the little guy!

Everyone:  I am still keeping a full log and find it very helpful.

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 18, 2005, 17:28:54 pm
Hmmmm, must remember that I am NOT young anymore and even though I stay out late, DD still gets up early! As most of you know, I had my sister's shower and Bachelorette Party at my house yesterday and last night. Well, we had a great time last night, headed out to the bars (pubs for some of you!  :wink: ) around 9:00. I came home around 1:00 and found out later the rest of the crew stayed out till 4:30!!!!!!! Glad I left when I did! Even so, I drank a little too much. This is probobly the first time I have drank since before I was pregnant with DD (almost a year and a half!) Needless to say it only took a few drinks and I was sick last night and this morning.  :oops: Here's a few pictures I took of my family. I will read through the posts and respond later, just wanted to share!!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 18, 2005, 18:08:34 pm
Hi all,
Thanks for the welcome.  We have been away this weekend and it was lovely to arrive home this evening and excitedly turn on the computer to read all your messages.   :)

I saw this list of things a few pages back and thought I'd use it myself to introduce my ds to you all.


Cuteness - Sooooo cute
Rolling - yep - started tummy to back rolling at 4 months but only recently started back to tummy rolling.
Crawling - Nearly!  Kind of rolls from side to side as he tries to push himself forward.  Still, he manages to (eventually) get to where he wants to be.
Breast or Formula - First 3 weeks was breast but since has been a formula babe. 
Solids - Is on 3 meals a day.
Sleeping thru the night - 'angel baby alert' :wink:  slept through from about 8 weeks!
Naps - 1.25 hours in morning and same in afternoon (usually)
Sitting unassisted - Sat at 6 months
Teeth - Is on number 8!
Dreamfeed - Gave that up at around 5 months.
Morning wake up time - anytime from 6-7am.
Bedtime - between 7.30 and 8pm
Favorite toy - LOVES books
Favorite Activity - Just loves amusing himself.  We have always made a point of making sure he can happily 'play' on his own and trying not to interfere too much and he just loves it now.  Will sometimes sit or lie for about an hour playing with his toys.
Lovie - Has a cuddly sheep that he rubs all over his face as he falls to sleep.  Is soooo adorable.
Excema - No
Reflux - No
Back or Belly sleeper - back (but seems to be turning into a side sleeper).
Swaddle - Did do til about 4 months.
Paci - Weaned himself off it at about 5 months.
Sucks thumb - No
Weight/Height - At 7 months he weighed 22 lb!!! :oops:  and he's about 73cm.  He was a whopper at birth at 9lb 2oz (I am only 5 ft 2 - ouch!). 
Eye/Hair color - GORGEOUS blue eyes and sandy hair.
Work or SAHM - SAHM
Name & origin - Daniel (Bible name that we both loved)
I'm a - Boy
My Birthday - 29th Jan
BW Type - Textbook but turning into more of an angel every day.
First, second, third child of how many? - First of four :?   (We'll see.  I was sick from 8 weeks right through to 42 weeks and I'm not keen on doing that 4 times!)
Ticklish - Belly laughs when we tickle his thighs!


Oh I love my baby.  Writing all that info on him just reminds me all over again how much I love him.  And my hubby.  We married 3 years ago and I love him more now than ever.

Other info - I'm 28 years old.  Have a degree in psychology and then trained as a primary school teacher.  Taught for 3 years.  (Can't remember what other info I was meant to give!)

Will post some more piccies soon.  The one here was taken 2 months ago when I was a bridesmaid for my sister. 

Hazel
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 18, 2005, 19:30:24 pm
Daniel's mummy What a beautifull picture - It seems like you had your bad times while you were pregnant and now have an angel baby to make up for it!!
Leah's Mom I am dying for a girls night! What fun. Many of my friends work in the UK and are all coming home for xmas so - we have already planned a BIG night out! oooh I sometimes wish I could be irresponsible for 1 night and then - just one look at DD and I just want to stay home!!!
Branwen Oooh cute! I cannot wait for lise's first word. We are trying to enact "signing" throughout the day but I haven't been very consistent :oops: Will get better I know!
Tarri Re the TV or DVD - I have only recently bought the Baby Einstein DVD. Unfortuanatly my spirited babe won't sit and look at the TV aven for 5min!! Usually "crawling" (more like a leap frog!!) on the floor infront of the TV. I find that some baby baroque music does calm her. I usually switch of the TV after 5pm (no soaps for me anymore!!) as I find that the backlight and the sound is just to much (even for me!!) at that time of day!!!
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I am nt sure if the problem is that some days i work off of amount of awake time, others i stretch her to get to at leats 9am regardless of awake time, others i see she is desperate for sleep and put her down in 2hrs or less. what to do????
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if she won't nap you can't make her so don't drive yourself crazy
We all try our best to make them nap - or just to continue past the 45min mark!! and link 2 sleep cycles. But I must say - at times I also just give up and realize that today is going to be a day like that and try and go with it!! I am thinking of you!!! Lise is doing the no nap thing with her afternoon catnap - and I know she has to nap - otherwise she is cranky BUT - after 30 min of "complaining" from her - I just GIVE UP!!! and try and go for a walk with her instead. This seemed to work OK for the last couple of times.
Us Had some pics taken this saturday - a baby model agency had a special offer (I think they don't have enough "baby" models!!!) for having pictures taken - they then get to "represent" your baby to the industry (not that we are trying to "get into" the industry!! I think some parents really abuse their kids - saw a few at the studio and it broke my heart!!). Was a little bit of a drama though. Made the appointment for 10:00 and decided to play around with our easy routine. Lise woke at 6:00 and I got her up where I would usually leave her for a little while. Fed and played and then to bed at 7:30 hoping she'd sleep till 9:00 when we had to leave - BUT NO LUCK. WIDE awake after 45min. She napped in the car for 15min. Got to the studio and it seems that it doesn't matter if you have an appointment it is first come first served!! Oh man!!! Lise is VERY hyperactive which worked out well for the pictures but it was soooooo tiring for me! But I think these ones came out cute!!
I hope you all have a great week!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 18, 2005, 22:48:44 pm
Hi Everyone :D

Hazel, welcome!  I really like your family photo, you all look so happy and in love with each other :D

Debra, I wonder why she has a hard time settling to sleep...is this just a recent thing, since the teething started?  If so I would give in and give medication earlier.  If not I don't know what to suggest.  So far I have a really easy time getting Emily down except for the catnap.  Does she have a way to self-soothe?  Emily uses a blanket that I throw over top of her (yes right over her head) and she grabs it with her hand and snuggles it into her face.  Also I'm sending you a PM.

Happy Emily news  She copied :o  me when I tapped both hands on the fun tube twice she did the same back.  And I said really happy like 'good girl' and tickled her chest and got huge giggles.  She also giggles all the time if she sees me take a toy away when the dog trys to get it or take it away when she's trying to get it.  Awesome stuff :D

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 18, 2005, 22:54:22 pm
only have a few minutes, so this will have to be fast - i will just say that i cannot stand road trips!!!!!  and least not with 2 so young!!!!!  michelle - i hope your weekend went better than mine!  :D

branwen & debra - (((((HUGS))))  sorry you're both feeling so down.  please vent here all the time if it makes you feel better!  we're all here for you.

welcome hazel!

nikki & julieg - those are adorable pics!

christine - i know exactly what you mean... baby still wakes at 7am no matter what!  :roll:  :lol:

happy luke thing - he's started clapping his hands!  he was just imitating me or dh, but he's doing it more lately.  so cute....
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 19, 2005, 00:50:37 am
Quick post will write more tomorrow-

Hazel- I LOVE your family photo- it is like a scene from a film. 

:?: How did any of you introduce a sleep bag?  Also which one do you use- grobag, lullabag or halo- why?

Also must post these pictures of her.  Even though she will not nap :wink:  she is still my beautiful snow angelpie and makes my heart melt every day!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 19, 2005, 01:04:04 am
Debra & Branwen-{{{{{HUGS}}}}} to you both.  May God be with you through these rough times.
Branwen-I love the pics.  She is so beautiful and sweet, even without naps  :wink: .

I suppose we mostly are all in a state of dissarray with naps right now.  However, I was reading on the sleep board about sleep amounts, and btw 6-9 months it says 2 naps of 1.25 hours, and a catnap.  I guess I was just getting spoiled with 2 hour naps.  Although she's doing around 1.25 hours right now, she doesn't get the catnap, and hasn't for awhile, so she still seems overly tired by the end of the day.

Hazel-beautiful photo.  Thanks also for sharing your "stats" with us.  Daniel is a lovely child.

Nikki-love your photos, as well.

Not much new for us.  Dh is returning to work from his week off tomorrow, so it's back to just Kelsey and me for much of the time.  Maybe her naps will straighten out a bit without all the comotion in the house  :?: .
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 19, 2005, 01:34:05 am
Ok, time to catch up...

Branwen - Sorry to hear things have been rough for you lately.  Has it gotten any better?  I don't think Maya is quite ready for a set naptime either.  Maya needs more sleep than any baby I know, and I feel silly sometimes, but there is a HUGE difference in her personality when she gets her full complement of daytime sleep.

Also, I just saw the new pics you posted for Eirwen - she is so cute!  Her cheeks pooch out just like Maya's when she smiles.

Christine - We wrote down everything for the first three months.  Then it just became too much to keep track of.  Now, we don't write down anything, even some of things we probably should.  The first few months have come in handy though, as I talk to friends with younger babies.  I know exactly how often she was getting up at night at what age.

Vidya and Tarri - It's nice to see so many engineers on here!

Vidya - We have problems with constipation too.  I find that sweet potatoes help, and I sometimes mix the prunes with oatmeal or another fruit so I'm not giving her just prunes all the time.  I can't believe someone asked you if you were pregnant!  I think I would take the opportunity to say something equally rude in return.  I was also looking at your family photo - Diya's got a headful of hair.  The curls are so cute.  MIL wanted us to shave Maya's head so it would grow back thicker.  So far we have vetoed it, but I can't wait for her to start growing some real hair.

Heather - How was dinner out?  We've taken Maya out several time recently (she's finally sitting well enough to sit in restaurant high chairs), and if we time it well, she does pretty well.  We went to a new place the other night.  It didn't look like much from the outside, but the food was good (and cheap!) - if you like homestyle southern cooking.

Welcome Hazel!

Michelle - Thanks for the nap info.  We'll keep at it, but I think it will take some time to stretch her awake time out.  Our problem is that when she doesn't nap well, she doesn't eat well, particularly at her bedtime feed.  She's already at the 10%ile weightwise, so we don't have much room for her to lose.  Sorry to hear about your scare.  You made me think twice about giving her peaches yesterday.  I hope your weekend turned out ok though.

Nikki - Maya bfs 4x day, but it's been awhile since I did a yield so I'm not sure exactly how much she takes.  Best guess, I would say she gets about 6oz +/- (180ml) per feed.  She gets an additional 2oz mixed with cereal, and eats a total of about 3oz of solids (cereal, vegetables, and fruit) at each solid meal. 

And I think your advice regarding chalking up some days as a loss and rolling with the punches is right on target.  Sometimes I think I get too wrapped up in her "routine".  We all have bad days sometimes, so we just need to do whatever it takes to get through the day and start fresh tomorrow.

Tarri - I usually wind up doing one-on-one playtime come late afternoon.  It doesn't help get dinner on the table, but my undivided attention is often the only thing that will settle her down.  I was thinking that would be a good time to do sippy cup practice in her highchair, if she would be content with that.  We try to squeeze in a walk after dinner so there is a break between her solids and her bedtime feed.  Eating dinner together as a family is important to us, so I usually wait until dh is home to feed her dinner.

Schae - Congrats on sleeping through!

Jaime - Where did you go?

Deb - I hope you got a break over the weekend.  Just remember we're here for you.

On naps - I feel bad now complaining that Maya only slept 1.25hr.  I think I am going to pick a strategy and try and stick it out for a full week and then make adjustments from there.  However, we are going to see the ILs next week, so it's going to have to wait until we get back.

Us - There's not much new here.  We're slowly mobilizing for our trip next week.  There's so much you have to take with a little one!  Other than that, things quieted down for us over the weekend.  We took the opportunity to relax a bit knowing that we won't get that chance suring our actual "vacation".
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 19, 2005, 05:14:46 am
Boy you're all busy little bees this weekend!   :wink:

Tried peas yesterday.  He likes them, but the shells are a problem.  They store up in his mouth and he doesn't seem to swallow them.  I had to clear them out with my finger this morning.  I might buy some dried split peas, but he enjoys picking them up so much!  That's why I chose them to introduce.  Anyone working with peas as a finger food?

Had a busy day at the in-laws today.  They are a very outgoing and loud family so Asher always seems so much more overwhelmed around them.  Bedtime has been rough and I have a feeling we're in for an unpleasant, restless night as well.  I should have left earlier.   :oops:  Hind sight is a terrible thing.  :?

Happy Asher thing(s): waves hi/bye now, "dances" to music (which just involves bouncing up and down)

Happy Julie thing: After 7.5 months, I am FINALLY mailing Asher's birth annouments!   :shock:  :lol:  :roll:   Next, taxes!  :?

Schae:  YAY for Luka!!  Sleep is a wonderful thing, eh?   :?

Deb: When Asher is waking early in the morning and throwing off our schedule, I try REALLY hard to keep him in bed till 7:00 am.  At least he's "resting" more than he would be if I got him up.  Then I try really hard to keep his nap times within 30 minutes of my "ideal" schedule.  Like Michelle said, I do think their bodies get used to a particular cycle, and to vere too far off could sabotage the rest of the day.  So there seems to be some truth to set nap times.  I also read about it in Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child.  He also mentions in the book that babies biorythyms and internal clocks start to set around 8 months.  Prior to that, we set them for them.  So I figure as we get closer, the more I should try to stick to certain key times.  Hope that makes sense?  :roll:
And I TOTALLY can relate to your comment to your mother.   :lol:   I think I told serveral people more than a few times something to that effect when I was in nap training hell with Asher the first 4.5 months.  I couldn't give up, because every day it felt like it was getting a bit worse.   :(
I sure hope Liv gets out of this rut she's in!

Christine:  What fun!  I've never had a taste for drinking, but I've been saying for the past year, I want a BIG margarita as soon as I wean Asher!   :lol:   Pregnancy/childbirth/motherhood deserves a good drink, darn it!   :wink:

Hazel: 8 teeth!  Holy cow!!  :shock:  :shock:   Although, I apparently had 16 (?) teeth by time I was 1 year old.  Asher, on the other hand, still just has two.   :lol:   And the sheep/face thing sounds absolutely precious!  So how did that 9 lb 2 oz boy come out?  :wink:   Asher was 9 lbs 10 oz, but I had a c-section because he was breeched.  I had planned a NCB and everything -- my mom delivered three 10+ pounders herself!  Lovely photo, BTW!  I may have to use that idea for one of our family pics!

Branwen:  We switched to a halo sleep sack after suggestions from ladies here.  LOVE IT!  I think it was a bit weird to him for one or two naps, but it was fine quickly.  It's light enough in hot AZ.  And I got a big one with room to grow (the cotton one shrinks a lot) and to more closely match the loose blanket I was wrapping him with before.  He can still crawl and stand up in it, though we've had a few bumps.  :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 19, 2005, 09:23:30 am
julieb - Daniel actually came out via c -section also.  I was induced and after 3 tries I finally went into labour (14 days overdue!).  Laboured for about 23 hours and was finally told I needed a section as he was just not budging :roll:   (Must just have a very comfy womb!)  Was born at 18.32 on Saturday 29th January.  Me and hubby  both cried with joy and relief.  We had both had a feeling that 'he' was a girl but it was a lovely surprise when 'she' was actually a 'he' :lol: He started teething at about 10 weeks and had his first tooth at 4 months.  Now they just keep on coming!  He always seems to get a couple through together which is a pain (literally).  He's currently working on the 2 top fromt ones.  So funny as he has the 4 bottom and top side ones but not the front ones yet.  Looks soooo cute.

Us - Had a fantastic weekend away.  Went away with all my family (4 siblings and partners (one with a 21 month old) and my mum and dad) to anglesey in Wales.  Stayed in a huge cottage right by the sea.  Daniel was a dream.  Napped great and slept through both nights.  Charmed everyone with smiles, belly laughs, rolling, shouting and his many other tricks!  We feel so blessed.  I have posted some pictures of our weekend.  Check out the babies napping on the beach  :D

Today we have a plumber here all day working in our bathroom, which is next to Daniel's room.  He has been so considerate though and is doing quiet jobs while Daniel sleeps!  How nice is that?!

Will post again soon.

Hazel
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 19, 2005, 12:09:37 pm
will try to write tomorrow about anyone else  :oops:  - am going to bed early (10pm) as am exhausted. Thank you all for your support and well wishes.  for those new who have not read previous thread i am on meds for PPD.

olivia was up at 5:30 today (i think it was because i had her heater set to go on at 5:30 so have changed that  tonight)  which led to an insane day (20 min nap at 8am, 45 min nap at 10:30, 45 min nap at 2:10) but ironically a really good day as well Three big things happened today
1: the reason she woke from 8am nap was rolled fully from back posotion onto her tummy yippee!. (i did not know this until 8:40 when i heard she was not resettling and i had to get alex to daycare anyway. she was pushed right up on her hands staring at the toy at the end of her cot) the reason for the 2nd wake up was poop  :evil:  and the 3rd i think she was just trying to drive me batty... :roll:
2:She ate really well again and was such a cutie the whole day in spite of being chronically tired... Then at dinner she drank from her sippy cup properly!! i heard the sucking and almost cried!! i was starting to fear she would never even try really since she was so against me even putting it in her mouth.  but today she seemed to be watching alex with HER cup so intently during the day - beaming every time she watched her drink (same cup diffrerent colour).  she reached out for cup throughout dinner and took sips really easily!! TRIUMPH!
3: whenever i reassured her i was getting her food i used the "sign" and she immediately got excited and seemed to understand what i was talking about. (so far i have mostly focused on signs for food/eat, drink / bottle, more and finished)

am knackered and Dh keeps saying "i thought you were off to bed" - she has woken at 10 for feed instead of waiting for DF  :?  will never understand her
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 19, 2005, 15:36:51 pm
Have so much to read but just wanted to say...
- Happy 8 months Kinlagh!!! 
- She crawled today (real crawling)!!!
- And our weekend was a mess and we ended up having to stay a day longer.  Will fill you in when I'm rested up. 
Talk soon.  Hope all is well with you girls!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 19, 2005, 16:00:05 pm
JulieB - Good for you!  I think we have given up on getting baby announcements out.  We'll put a photo in our Christmas cards instead.  My ILs are very outgoing as well, and they don't seem to get that Maya DOES NOT like to be passed around, and she needs time to look at you from the safety of mom/dad's lap before she's ready to cuddle up with anyone.  MIL freaked her out last time she came, and then for the first three days of her visit, Maya cried everytime she tried to hold her.  Any advice other than leave earlier?  We're going for a whole week.  Also, since Asher sleeps through now, feel free to have that big margarita after you tuck him in for the night.  Your body will have metabolized the alcohol long before morning.

Hazel - I love the photos - how cute!

Deb - Get some sleep, but I'm glad your day was better yesterday.

Happy 8 months, Kinlagh!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 19, 2005, 17:32:50 pm
Branwen,  I ended up making a sleepsack with regular flannel and a zipper up the front.  I didn't want a fleece one because Emily's always seems to be too hot.

Michelle, happy 8 months to Kinlagh!

Debra, congratulations to Olivia!  Emily's still only rolled either way a couple times.  Also she doesn't like the sippy too much I think cause she's holding her breath while she sips and her face goes red.

Heather, that's too bad that you dh is back to work again.  I don't know how it's going to be when dh starts work again.  It's been so nice for him to be able to play with Emily and me!

Hazel, that sounds like a horrible labour.  I was in labour for 14 hours before they decided to do a c-section on me.  And the last 4 hours were with no meds!  I ended up being gassed for the operation cause none of the spinals worked on me(though they tried 6! times and as a result had a crippling migraine for 10 days after).  I couldn't even hold my head up.  Thank god that's over!

Nikki, very cute photos!

Us, we had a 5:30 wake too!  But I managed not to turn her lights on till 6:30 and put her down for nap 1 slightly before 9 and our day's back on track.  Yesterday I did 40 mins of trying to extend nap 2 with NO luck.  I'm going to quit trying because it makes me and her super grumpy for the rest of the day.

Happy Emily News, she loved her plum and rice this morning!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 19, 2005, 18:32:24 pm
Deb-yay on all of Olivia's achievements, and on eating so well.  We're having one of those bad eating days, but I'm reassured by everyone else's experiences that this is normal and okay.
Michelle-Happy 8 Monthday to Kinlagh!  It sure goes too fast.  And yay on the crawling!!!
Julieb-I have read that the shells on peas can be troubling.  Do you mush them first, or serve them round?  We're still working on the Veggie Puffs, and I plan to wait until 8-9 months to try "people food" as finger foods.  I'm just holding back for now.  Congrats on Asher waving.
Jaime-yay for Luke clapping.  I have to remember to show her things like clapping and waving or she won't know to do them  :oops: .
Branwen-I forgot to mention that I thought "ack" was extremely cute.
Tarri-Sounds like you and Emily have a blast together.  On the naps, I, too, would get too frustrated trying to extend them and ultimately gave up and waited until her body shorted them out for itself.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 19, 2005, 18:34:11 pm
hazel - love that photo of the babies napping on the beach!  too funny!

schae - luka's night sleeping sounds very encouraging!!!  now you just have to train yourself to not wake up at every noise - always seems to be the hardest part for me!   :roll:  :lol:

branwen - those pics are adorable!  love the 2nd smiley one.  those cheeks!!!   :D  can't give you any advice on sleep sacks cause we really don't use them... one of the benefits of florida!  :wink:

deborah - can you believe the stuff you have to take on a trip?!  i can pack one back holding my stuff & dh's stuff, and then about 80 more with stuff for luke!   guess that's why we have a bigger car now...

julieb - yay on getting the announcements out!  i think i'm past the point of caring on mine... they still haven't gone out on my 2 year old!  :oops:   the dancing sounds adorable. 

debra - that is so exciting about the signing, rolling, and sippy cup!  see, you've just got a brilliant baby - she wants to know everything & that's why she won't sleep!  i hope you got a good night's sleep though.

michelle - can't wait to hear your story.

us - well, i think we've hit a new, not-so-commonly-mentioned milestone:  "baby realizes everyone else can move around and he can't".  OMG, this child has just realized that we're all walking around and it's driving him crazy that he can't follow!  to his credit, every once in awhile he lunges forward and ends up on his tummy, but he hasn't figured out the rest yet!   and then he starts crying cause he can't get back up!   :roll:

had a slightly stressful saturday.  we went to go to visit some of dh's relatives in gainesville (2 hrs away).  we were supposed to leave during luke's morning nap and didn't - totally dh's fault but we still fought about it!  so we ended up leaving shortly before 11am - and had to stop twice; once to feed luke, and again to feed jaina.  wouldn't have stopped the second time, but luke was going crazy being trapped in the carseat.  took 3 hours to make a 2-hr trip.  not to mention trying to keep them entertained with a badly packed bag of toys (will i ever learn to check what dh does???)  then we got to spend the day inside doing.....nothing!!!  a non-babyproofed house with lots of animals (including 3 big dogs and a cat that bites) and breakables and 2 small kids.... yeah, right!!!  thankfully, we left at bedtime and both kids crashed and slept the whole way home.

but it was just annoying cause i had so much work to do this weekend.  i always feel like i'm playing catch-up!  i love the fact that i only have to teach in the morning, but all the extra work is really getting to me.  i have no help, and if luke's pm nap is short i don't get anything done until dh gets home.  then he gets mad at me for bringing work home.  it's just a never-ending cycle. 

wow.... i didn't realize how much i was storing up!  i think i'm done venting for now....  :oops:  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 19, 2005, 19:09:54 pm
Busy catching up! Wow ladies!!!! Keep posting the pics, I love seeing everyone!

Hazel - Welcome!!!!! I LOVE your name. Beatutiful. Your pictures are adorable, Daniel is such a cutie! Your weekend away looked like so much fun! I am a teacher too, what did you teach? Right now I am doing Elementary Reading.

Julieb - I think we are starting to see seperation anxiety too. Leah screams everytime the sitter puts her in the pack-n-play.  :roll: It has been a difficult week (last week). Then this weekend she woke from a nap happy. I wanted to get a few more things done so I went in and talked to her then turned on her aquarium, that she loves. Normally she has no problem playing with that for awhile. But this time as soon as I left, she screamed. Really loud and started sobbing till I picked her up. Hope this passes soon.....  Hah, my in-laws are outgoing and loud too!!!!

Nikki - Do you know if I can get Baby Sense in the States? You have such good advice!!! I am so glad you joined out chat room!  :D Lise's pics are SO cute!!!! How do you pronounce her name?

Heather - I hope naps have been better for you. She still screams everytime she is put down at the sitter's house (see my response to Julieb above.)

Branwen - I hope Leah has curly hair (her dad does when it gets long). Curly hair is so cute! Leah has none.... Eirwen's pics are adorable! I think Leah has the same blocks. Are they Fisher Price shapes where you drop them into the top in their correct shape (did that make sense?) We use the Halo sleep sack, cotton right now. I just started putting it one her one day, no intro!

Tarri - Yay to Emily for rolling!

Julie - Matthew's pics are adorable! I love his PJ's!!!

Schae - Yay for Luka on sleeping thru!!!!

Deb - I hope you're feeling better. Fear not, I'm having rough naps too! My mom always says the same thing - if she doesn't want to nap then don't make her.  :evil: I love hearing about the signing. Out sitter is big into this, so Leah is signed too everyday. I'll have to get a book so I know what I'm doing.

Michelle - Happy 8 months to Kinlagh! WOW 8 months!!!! Are they really getting that old!? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Jaime - I totally know how you feel. The weekend is my time to get stuff done. I told DH I wanted a cleaning lady for Christmas! One good thing about working is I get some "me" time and I get to socialize with other adults, it's good for the spirits. I feel for you, I'm in the same boat, except I only have one kid, but I do have to work all day.

US: What's up with the nap thing? Leah has done 45, 45, 45 for like the last week. Really hard to settle and she was hard to settle for bed last night too, that doesn't usually happen. When one of you becomes a rocket scientist and figures it out, let me know!  :wink:

ME: Am slowly recovering from my night out.  :roll: Very tired today. I had a soda with caffine at work today.  :shock: I'm not a caffine drinker, but I guess I may become one if DD doesn't start sleeping better soon!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 20, 2005, 00:17:07 am
Loved all the pics!!!

Hazel, Daniel is adorable, what cheeks!  Matthew is pretty big too.  He was 20lbs 10 oz at 6  months and I havent had him back to ped for his next weight yet.  Im sure he is much heavier by now.

Branwen, Eirwin is like a little blonde angel.  How are you feeling and how is the teething going for her?

Nikki, the pics of you and Lise are really beautiful, you look great too. 

Jaime:  Where in florida are you?  we are under another hurricane watch but its going below Key West so Im not freaking out.  I will be so relieved when hurricane season is over. Its too freakin' scary.

Christine:  HOpe you are feeling better from the girls night out. It sounded like you had a great time even though you had to pay for it!

Debra: Wow, is Olivia making strides!

Julie:  How the heck is Asher waving this early?  Im impressed.  He is very cute too, by the way.


How do I start Matthew on finger foods ladies?  Any recommendations?  I wanted to try the Gerber puffs, but they dont dissolve quickly enough and Im afraid he will choke. 

We're going on a car trip in October, only about 2.5 to 3 hours and I'm not looking forward to the drive, but I am looking forward to the vacation. Any advice from you travelers about how to make it more bearable?  He gets antsy in his car seat from just a 20 minute drive.

Julie - the senior mommy  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 20, 2005, 00:28:10 am
Julie (Senior  :wink: )-re the veggie puffs.  I, too, was/am soooo scared about finger foods.  Right now I've decided to pretty much hold off until 8-9 months, but I do give her a few veggie puffs with lunch.  At first, and it sounds silly  :oops: , I only broke each edge off and gave her that to get used to having something of that texture in her mouth.  Now, she only gets a half at a time, but I can hear her chewing it with her gums and she eats them quickly.  I'm still too scared to give the whole thing to her.  I think it's probably fine to just "jump right in" and let them figure it out, but I can't stand the worry with each bite  :roll: .
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 20, 2005, 01:10:03 am
<sigh>  i'm so bummed right now.  i'm supposed to be out for a girls' night in.  i scrapbook once a month with a few friends, and we really just use it as an excuse to get away from the kids.   :wink:  but we haven't done it in awhile cause most of us have had babies in the past few months, so i was looking forward to getting back into it. 

wouldn't you know, dh came home sick?  not just a cold, but full-blown stomach flu.  so he's out for the count and i'm stuck here.  don't get me wrong, i love you guys, but i was really looking forward to getting out & visiting - i haven't really seen any of them since school started.

okay, mope over.  i'm sure i can find something more productive.

ps - julieg - we're in orlando.  so far out of range of this hurricane!  and regarding the car trip - go during naptme or bedtime if there's any chance matty will sleep in the car.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 20, 2005, 02:05:17 am
Hi all!  Love all the pics of everyone!  If family gives me pics that were taken of Ethan's dedication on Sunday, I'll have to share!   :)

Julie - I'm so impressed with how far along Asher is.  He seems leaps and bounds ahead of Ethan!  We haven't jumped in yet on any finger foods, we're still on the baby food puree.  And that's great that he can wave!  Ethan just looks at you when you wave at him.  He's yet to say his first word, but that's okay too.  Everything will come eventually!

Branwen - I love the pics of Eirwen, she's so cute! 

To all with PPD & med issues - good luck and hang in there!  I had PPD very badly after Ethan was born, but luckily got back on the med I was on while pregnant (I tapered off before he was born to avoid any discontinuation effects in Ethan) after a few weeks of bawling my head off, and wondering who was going to come and get this baby! 

It seems a lot of people have nap issues.  Ethan was a consistent 45 minute napper, it was sooo frustrating.  I tried everything to extend those naps, and nothing doing.  Finally, I think I just gave up.  And then he started to sleep longer.  I think it was just an age thing for him, once he reached a certain point, he just started sleeping longer.  We still have issues with our morning nap, he usually sleeps for about 30 minutes, then wakes up and babbles, babbles, babbles, sometimes for 45 minutes!  But he usually falls asleep again.  The afternoon nap is the same at the beginning, 30 minutes, then wakes up, then babbles, but usually goes back to sleep after 10 or 15 minutes.  I have no idea why he always wakes up after 30 minutes.  Used to be 45 on the dot, now it's 30.  So weird.  I can't complain though, cause he doesn't wake up crying, he just "talks" to himself.  So, I just let him be.  And I sure can't complain about his nights, cause he's down at 7:30, and sleeps until 7 (with a df at 10).  Good luck to all those working on naps!!!!

Schae - I just wanted to say that I love the picture of your family.  It is so lovely!

Us - we had a good weekend.  We had Ethan's dedication at our church on Sunday morning.  Therefore the rest of Sunday was a nightmare for Ethan.  He was cranky, tired, and just all out of sorts.  I was glad when it was time for him to go to bed, and thank goodness he slept all through the night.  Of course, he came down with a cold starting Thursday, so he's been congested and such since then, but it doesn't seem too bad.  Poor little man.  :(  Of course, now dh and I both have it too.  I was hoping to avoid it, but nope.  Oh well.  Neighbors on the street and I are headed out to dinner tomorrow night.  Pretty excited about that, I'm so pathetic.  But I've only been out to eat twice with dh since Ethan was born (without Ethan).  And this will be with girlfriends, so it will be fun!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 20, 2005, 08:57:18 am
So here we are again.  We had a fairly rough night last night with Daniel teething.  He has his front 2 teeth coming through together.  They must have been causing him lots of pain last night as he woke up a few times just screaming and bashing his cheeks and ears.  Poor thing.  Seems happier this morning though so that's good.  I can just feel the points of the teeth coming through.  Shouldn't be long now.

Christine - I trained as a primary teacher.  I have always taught either reception (which is 4 -5 year olds), year 1 (5-6) or year 2 (6-7).  What do you mean by 'elementary reading'?  Sorry, but we have no such thing over here!

Julie - Was Matthew heavy at birth?  Daniel has always been heavy.  Most of my friends all seem to have little babies, so Daniel always seems HUGE compared.  He seems to be slimming down a bit now though as he gets more active.  But personally I love the chubby cheeks and podgy thighs. :D

We did a 2.5 hour drive last weekend and Daniel was fine.  We actually set off just after his afternoon nap and he just played for most of the journey and then fell asleep just before we arrived.  We had planned to stop to give him his tea but just as we were about to stop he fell asleep so we actually made it all the way without stopping.  He's always been quite happy to travel which is great.  I agree with the other comments that it's probably best to leave when it's nap time and then hopefully Matthew will sleep for the majority of the journey.  Also, take some new interesting toys which will keep his attention for a while.  daniel loves books and we always take a selection of books and read these with him in his car seat.  Anyway, I hope it all goes smoothly.

Tammy - We had Daniel dedicated 2 weekends back.  He also was absolutely wiped out by the afternoon.  All our family had come over for it.  The service was lovely and then we all went out for a meal.  By about 3 Daniel was tiring so put him to bed and he slept like a log!  Was a lovely occasion though.  Glad you had a good time.

Branwen - Eirwen is sooooo cute.  That 2nd photo is just adorable.  She looks so cheeky :D

Us - Daniel is certainly getting a lot more active now and we're noticing this start to affect his sleeping.  Last night he wasmaking noise and I eventually went in to him and found him stuck in the corner of his cot on his hands and knees! :lol: In the day he would be able to just roll back again but it must be something to do with it being dark and disorientating I guess.  I'm sure we have plenty more of this to come though once he actually starts crawling.

Tomorrow we have Daniels 8 month photos.  I'm going into town today to buy him a new outfit.  He's actually just coming into 9-12 month clothing now  :oops:  so we need to stock up his wardrobe again!  I think I'm gonna buy him a cute dungaree outfit.  (Do the rest of you ever feel guilty about how much you spend on your lo?)  Bought him the cutest little hat last week. 

PS Can't remember who was asking - we also changed to a sleepsack when Daniel was about 5 months old.  We just did it gradually.  I think I put him in it for naps first and then once he had got used to that we used it at night too.  It only took about 2/3 days to get used to it properly.

We have some friends coming round for tea (Dinner?) tonight so I had better go and get on with all the jobs that need doing.  Not to mention get showered and dressed :oops:  (It's 10am and I'm still in my pjs.  Guess I'm not the only mum doing this though)

Have a good day / night everyone.

Hazel[/b]
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 20, 2005, 12:52:52 pm
Hazel - Elementary is ages 5-10, and I teach reading to the kids that are low. I forget how much the terminology is different between countries!  :D I too, spend WAY too much money on clothes for DD.  :oops: They just have so many cute clothes for little girls!

Jaime - Sorry to hear about your ruined girls night in. I too scrapbook, and love when I can get together with the girls. Hang in there!

Us: I tired purred chicken with Leah yesterday and she gagged. Horrible look on her face, it smelled aweful! I think we'll give that a rest for a month or so! For finger foods we've tried the vege and fruit puffs by Gerber, the wagon wheels by Gerber, ripe banana chunks, and I tried Cherrios the other day. Those scared me because they don’t dissolve as quickly, but she did great! I was scared at first too, actually my sitter has introduced most of the finger foods – I’m too chicken!! But Leah does wonderful, I guess we have to let them go sometime…..
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 20, 2005, 21:54:35 pm
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to give everyone an update and ask a bunch of questions since my EASY routine has not been so EASY of late. :wink:  :cry:

First-  I would encourage those of you who are scared of finger foods to go for it.  I did with Eirwen and like Christine said, she does great.  We have done also, puffs, wagon wheels, banana, avo and cherrios.  The cherrios are too dry though and she gagged a little but not because she was choking but because of how dry it was.  She loves it when I feed her the pieces but she's getting better at feeding herself.  I know everyone's experience is different but my friend introduced late and she had a lot of weaning problems (from bottle) and food refusal.  She said she missed some solid food window?  I also heard that from a woman on this forum when I posted recently about finger foods.  She encouraged me to start early. 

Second- today we went to the ER- we are both fine before I tell you the story.  I was sitting with Eirwen in my lap on the couch and she suddenly lundged forward and did a face plant into the coffee table.  I caught her by the waist so she didn't fall to the floor but she hit her face really bad and it instantly swelled so of course I was crying with her and then she spit up everywhere so that really freaked me out. I tried to put some ice on it but then I thought- this so isn't going to cut it- I just had to take her in.  And she IS OKAY!  It just kind of looks like she has a black eye :cry: So of course I feel like the worst mom ever esp. because of the state I am in lately, and our non-routine in general so my dh came home to support me which was really great.  He even did a nap for 1.5 hrs even though Eirwen wouldn't nap for him anymore than for me. :roll:

Third- our routine is not a real routine anymore.  :(  It would be really great if you guys could post your EASY.  I just need to get a plan back together.

Fourth-
I have not been using PU/PD from advice on the nap board because of teething- I guess some association with pain, but our non-routine for sleep has been going on for a few weeks now.  Even though she is still teething she all out refuses her naps even if she is so tired.  I have tried everything- 1.25 to 3 or 4 hrs between naps...nothing seems to make a difference.  I am now getting 2 naps, sometimes 45 min other times 1.5.  If you look at my routine below you can see that when she goes off by such a large amount we are so off and it puts her awake sometimes 4 or more hrs if she then refuses the next nap.  I'm kind of at a loss :(  Should I go back to PU/PD?

Okay, here is what we've been doing/trying:

6:00 wake up bf
7:00 breakfast
7:30 1st nap  (45 to 1.5)
9:30 tummy time
10:00 bf
11:00 lunch
11:30 2nd nap (45- 2)
1:30 bf
4:00 cat nap- sometimes 45 min
4:30 dinner
5:00 bath
5:30 bf and bed

Happy Eirwen News: Throwing breast pads on her belly while saying a "pow" sound produces enormous belly laughs  :lol:  She also has started saying "mmmmmm" again which is great because it had gone away and now it is back so soon I hope to have "mama".  She also ate 4 veggie puffs all by herself today :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 20, 2005, 23:44:52 pm
Well, I was right, we had a rough night  AND rough day following!  Last night was better and it appears today is going better as well.  I felt so bad for him.  He cried out several times throughout the night.  Sometimes I'd have to go in to settle him down (which wasn't quite as easy  :roll: ), other times he'd just do it in his sleep.  He took poor naps as well, crying out a few times then too.  Very restless sleep.  He was so tired.

On top of it, his bottom teeth have worn a couple sores on his thumb.  He'd cry when he put it in his mouth.  :oops:   I'm not sure what I can do for him about that.  :(

When I asked about stork bites before, I was calling them the wrong thing (that's what my mom called them).  Apparently they're really called "flea bites", though not really bites, and the proper name is Erythema Toxicum.  It looks like a little pimple with a red patch around it.  He gets them all over his body and they come and go -- since he was born.  Everything thing I've found on them say they go away after 4-6 weeks.  I can't find any info on OLDER babies still getting them.  His back was covered on Sunday with them.  Gone now, but I wondered about the peas.  So no one else still gets these?  It's so weird.   :?

Happy Asher thing: He started clapping yesterday!  He's plowing through the development this month.  It's so crazy!

Hazel:  14 days?  Goodness, you take the prize!   :lol:   Asher was only 9 days overdue and my labor went very fast (though they took him via c-section after 4-5 hours).  Hence our big babies!  More to love, right?  :wink:  You have to show us a photo of all those teeth, the missing top ones sound hilarious!  I just LOVE the sleeping photo with the lamb, what an angel!

Debra: Grrrr and Yay!  All at the same time!!   :lol:

Michelle:
  Woot Woot Kinlagh!

Deborah: Not sure I have any good tips for the visit with the ILs.  Thankfully we've never been stuck with them longer than 5-6 hours.  :roll:   Stay close and within sight (until you're more confident Maya feels secure).  Though I'm sure she'll still have her moments.  One minute I think Asher's having a ball being the life of the party, then I turn my back, and he's in tears!  Just gotta be willing to drop what I'm doing to rescue him from the crazies!  :wink:   Pay close attention to the tired cues and your schedule.  Sleep becomes EVEN more important because all this socializing tires them out faster.  But with Asher, it's tricky, as he won't show his tired cues when he's in new situations.  He'll be going, going, going, all is well, then suddenly we have a complete melt down.  I have to often put him to bed/naps earlier and/or start the wind down even when I don't see the cues (of course he starts yawning the moment I walk away from the action and start the wind down).

Heather:  I started the clapping and waving thing about a month ago, knowing he'd prolly be able to do it back around 8 months.  It also helps with signing.  The dancing thing he did on his own with little effort from us.  I think it's just because we have lots of singing, dancing, and music throughout our day.  I thought it was a fluke at first, but then we consistently noticed him gettin' jiggy with it to ANY music (commercials too!  :lol: ).

Jaime: ROFLMBO about Luke's not-so-commonly-mentioned-milestone!  Sorry your trip wasn't better.  :(

JulieG: I know some other babies that started waving around 8 months, so I decided to go ahead and start waving bye to DH in the mornings (about a month ago?).  Then when he started copying recently, we praised him like crazy.  I don't think it's too unusual since I've read about some babies starting to sign as early as 8 months.  On the finger foods, have you started giving Matty more chucky baby food?  Does he chew it?  I'd start there.  If he does okay, try giving a couple very ripe small pieces of banana.

Branwen:  Glad Eirwen's bump seems to be okay, but sorry you feel so far off coarse!  Since this has been going on for a few weeks, do you think the nap refusal could be turning into chronic over-tiredness and/or manipulation?  I think they're nearing the age which they know.  Personally, I'd get her a comfortable as possible, then go the PU/PD route to get those naps going again.  Hope you get that Mama!  It's so cute and makes the crying more tolerable when they're saying Mama somewhere in there!  :lol:
Our EASY is this:
7:00 wake & BF
8:00 solids
9:30 nap
11:00 wake & BF
12:00 solids
2:00 nap
3:30~4:00 wake & BF
5:00~5:30 solids
6:30 BF
7:00 bed (move up to 6:30 if we have short naps)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 21, 2005, 01:29:16 am
Heather, I'm going to wait till 8 months before giving Emily finger foods.  I figure she's only been eating well from a spoon for a few weeks.

Jamie, your account of your car trip got me laughing!  Even though my dh is really involved with Emily during the day, he still doesn't quite realize that even waiting 1/2 an hour for him is a long time for Emily.

Julie, don't be silly...you shouldn't call your-self the senior mommy.  As for car trips, ours are hit and miss.  We try to travel about 0.5hr before nap/bed.  Bring something extra special to play with and sit in the back seat.  This probably sounds bad but bring some tylenol/advil too just in case they go into crying hysteria it might just be enough to calm them and get them to sleep.  I also found the talk radio stations calming.  Good Luck.  We're travelling to Montreal next week, it's a solid two hour drive.  Oh...one more thing.  Try to make sure the sun stays off them as the car changes directions, this always wakes Emily up.

Tammy, could you post your routine?  Our lo's are only two days apart and I'm curious to see how you lo's naps settled out.

Hazel, I usually get dressed after Emily wakes from her 1st nap around 10:30.  I'm afraid to do anything upstairs cause I don't want to wake her up. :oops:

Branwen, Oh my god!  I'm so glad Eirwen is okay.  I would also feel really bad too.  But remember it can happen to any of us, it's not your fault.  And thank goodness our dh's come running in emergencys!

Branwen, I'm also having a tough time with naps and playing around with times but...here's my suggestions. Also I don't know how to get Emily sleeping again from a short nap.  Pat/sh used to work almost all the time but not anymore.  Now she just stares at me and doesn't cry or try to sleep.

6:00 wake up bf
7:00 breakfast
8:00 1st nap (45 to 1.5)
9:30 tummy time
10:00 bf
11:30 lunch
12:30 2nd nap (45- 2)
2:30 bf
4:00 NO CATNAP
5:00 dinner
5:30 bath
6:00 bf and bed

JulieB, we don't get the pimple marks.  Just eczema.  Could it be a reaction to any cream you put on him?  I hope Asher starts feeling better soon.  And that's really great stuff with the waving and dancing :D .

Us, we had a bad night and then a 5:30am wake-up.  I can't seem to get her back to sleep when she wakes early. She starts moaning and groaning and the volume increases to a real cry so I go in and pu to check for a burp, then I lay her down and she lays there STARING at me so I give 4 pats on the bum(always what I do before I leave room at nap or bedtime) and leave.  And the moaning starts up again and into a cry.  I repeated this several times till 6:30 in the morning and then got dh up to delay her till 7 am because I felt like strangling her.  Anyways, dh came on board and said we're going to try and get a better nap 2 because she's in a never ending cycle of bad napping/early bedtime/early wakeup.  So here's what we did today with some success.  Only she was still grumpy from 4:00 on I think cause of teething.

5:30 pu/pd till 6:30
6:30 lights on and crib play
7:00 bottle
8:00 breakfast
9:00 nap 1 (only 1hr 10 mins, usually a good 1.5 hrs)
11:00 bottle
1:00 lunch (was lunch at 12:30 and nap at 1:30)
2:00 nap 2 (1 hr 20 mins, not perfect but WAY better than 45 mins.)
3:45 bottle
5:15 dinner
6:00 bottle (I forced her to wait an extra half hour from our usual)
6:30 bed

Happy Emily news, happy baby all morning even though slept bad all night!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 21, 2005, 02:02:38 am
Branwen-so sorry for your scare with Eirwen.  Don't blame yourself at all.  It could happen to anyone.  Kelsey almost did that from dh while he was standing.  Luckily, someone was in front of him and caught her.  As for your routine, your layout sounds great.  Is it that she won't nap at all that throws it off?  I didn't quite understand.  I'm sure she is overly tired if that is the case?  I know you don't want to create a bad habbit, but would she sleep in your arms even for just a bit to get some rest?
Julieb-Asher sure is trucking along, isn't he.  He sounds like a hoot! 
Tarri-don't sweat those 1hr 20 min naps.  Does she wake up happy or crying?  Kelsey's have been averaging 1.25 hours x2.  We don't have a catnap either.  However, she sleeps from 8-8, but sometimes she's actually awake around 7:30 but talks to herself in the crib or goes back for a little snooze.  Rarely I'll find her still soundly asleep.

Here's our usuall day:
8:00 wake and get breakfast ready
8:15 solids then bottle
10:30 nap (1-1.5 hrs)
12:00 solids then bottle
2:30 nap (usually a good 1.5-1.75 hours)
4:00 (or when she wakes) bottle
5:30 solids
6:30 bath
7:15 bottle
7:45 wind down then bed by 8

Our naps used to be at 10 and 2, but she's increased her A time, and I'm still even working on it to find a better consistency that will promote good naps.  She really almost doesn't seem all that tired by 10:30, but she'll usually sleep an hour at least.  I'm just afraid to wait any longer and have an overtired baby.  We usually do our "running around" after the 4:00 bottle so that I can be home during the day for her to nap.  Right now she seems frustrated by her limited mobility.  She never wants to sit anymore, always wants to be standing, but that means I have to be with her to help her stand.  However, after her bottle, she'll play independently for about 20 minutes until she is ready for a change, then she usally wants me with her for the duration of playtime.  Anyone else experiencing similiar things?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 21, 2005, 02:32:48 am
The bumps are back.  :?   Peas??

Tarri: Your morning sounds like mine EVERY morning!   :lol:  :?   I'm thinking of playing with his bed time, but I'm not sure if I should start by upping it or backing it?  Maybe he only needs 11-11.5 hours of sleep at night?  But days I put him to bed later than 7, he's still up at the same time.  But I've never tried it consistently in a row.

Heather: Gosh, I WISH I could get Asher to go back to an 8-8 schedule.  You're a lucky duck!   :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 21, 2005, 03:39:25 am
thitz - I can't really tell you what clicked for Ethan regarding his naps, but here's our schedule:

7:00 wakeup & bottle
8:00 breakfast
9:00 nap 1 (sleeps for 30 minutes, ALWAYS wakes up and talks to himself - I don't go in unless he starts wailing, which almost never happens, and he eventually resettles, sometimes after 45 minutes or so!)
11:00 lunch & bottle
1:00 nap 2 (again sleeps for 30 minutes, wakes up and babbles, and then usually resettles after 10 or 15 minutes - I don't go in)
3:00 bottle
5:00 catnap (some days this doesn't occur, some days it does.  Right now, I put him down, and if he sleeps fine, and if not, then I'll come get him after 45 min.  But it's 'quiet' time in his crib at least)
5:45 wakeup from nap / or get up from crib
6:30 dinner & bottle
7:15 bath
7:30 bedtime

I really had to stop myself from going into Ethan's room after he would wake up from a nap.  I don't think I was giving him a chance to resettle himself, I would go in too early.  So, I literally only go in now if he is crying.  And not just his little "mantra cry", but his real cry.  That's the only thing that I ever changed, I tried everything!  My sympathies!

Branwen - don't feel bad about Eirwen's mishap, it happens to the best of us.  Ethan fell off the changing table about a month ago.   :shock:  :cry: Talk about a heart attack.  I was standing right there at the time too, he just tried to pull himself to an upright position (which he still can't do), and he leaned over, and just lost his balance.  I had one hand on him, and another grabbing a diaper underneath.  I still don't know what happened, but needless to say that I watch him like a hawk now.  Scared me half to death, but he was fine.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 21, 2005, 13:32:47 pm
Branwen - I have nearly done that so many times with Daniel.  He does just the same thing and throws himself forwards or backwards with no clue as to the damage he could do to himself.  Well done on catching her before she did anything worse.  Let's hope the bruising goes quickly.

Finger foods - Daniel is doing really well with finger foods.  He surprises me with his ability to chew stuff.  Our latest thing is peas (like Asher I do believe).  I just pour a few on his tray and he spends a good 10 minutes picking them up one by one and slowly feeding himself.  So cute when they pop back out again! :lol:   

Photo shoot - As i said yesterday, Daniel had his photos done today.  Boy did he make it hard!  He is usually the most smiliest and photogenic baby ever. But this morning he decided he didn't want to smile :x   The guy tried every trick in the book to get a smile with very little success.  I think he may have got the odd one or two here and there where Dj (nickname there as he's Daniel John!) was smiling.  But he certainly made the photographer work for his money.  Will just wait and see how they come out.

Dancing - Daniel has just started 'dancing' when music comes on (especially Noddy) or when I sing to him.  It is sooooo cute.  He sits there and kind of rocks whilst shaking his head from side to side.  The first time he did it (this morning at breakfast) I wondered what he was doing.  When he did it again the next time I sang I began to realize.  He's kept doing it all day.  maybe it was this new skill that put him off smilng for the photographer! :?
EASY - so here's how our day usually goes:
6.45 - wake and nappy change
7.00 - 6 oz bottle
8.00 - breakfast
9.30 - nap
11.00 - 4 oz bottle
1.00 - lunch
2.30 - nap
3.45 - wake and play
5.00 - tea (dinner)
6.00 - bath
7.00 - bottle
7.30/8.00 - bed

That's all for now
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 21, 2005, 14:43:51 pm
Jaime - Maya's been doing the same thing.  I think she has finally realized she wants to be mobile, and it frustrates her to no end that she isn't.  She lunge forward from a sitting position and paw at the ground with her hands.

I can also relate on the travel thing.  Last time we took a trip (a 10-hour drive to my parents), I not only had to pack all of Maya's stuff and mine, but dh's as well.  We leave Sat to go see his folks, and I told him last night that I am not packing a bag for him this time.

Sorry you didn't get your me time.  Maybe you can do something for yourself when dh is feeling better.

Julie - We drove from FL to NC (10 hours) in July.  We packed some new toys, her favorite music (Beach Boys of all things), and stopped every two hours for a break.  At her normal naptimes, we draped a receiving blanket over the carseat.  We also bought some car shades to keep the glare out of her eyes.  For shorter trips, we try to time it with her naptime, but she rarely cooperates.  She has never slept longer than 45min in the car.  When she gets fussy, one of us rides in back with her.

Branwen - I am so sorry to hear you guys had to go to the ER, but I am glad Eirwen is ok.  You mentioned not doing PU/PD due to teething, but if her teething pain is ongoing, perhaps it's best to try and keep things as normal as possible.  We've done that several times now - changing our routine for something we think is temporary (like our bout of 5am wake-ups) - but in reality we were encouraging the behavior.  If you were using PU/PD before (we've never had much success with it), I would go back to that.  It sounds as though you have been charting her schedule for a few days.  Use that as a base and work from there.  And start on the weekend if dh will help with the naps.

I'll post our schedule below.  The past few days have been good (still working on the catnap issue), but only because she has slept later in the morning.  It allows me to keep her awake intervals shorter (which leads to longer naps hor her), but still not have a five hour awake stretch at the end of the day.

JulieG - Maya had a bout with Erythema Toxicum, but she was only 1.5wks at the time.  We've seen a stray spot every now and them since then, but nothing quite as bad.  If you put a thumb and forfinger on either side and stretch the skin, do they blanch? (disappear momentarily?)  If you think it might have been the peas, offer them again under controlled circumstances and watch for a reaction.

On early morning wake-ups - If they're becoming a regular thing, have any of you tried wake-to-sleep?  We did it with Maya, and it seemed to help.

On finger food
- We have been giving Maya Cheerios, and she has done just fine.  They do take some time to dissolve, but she hasn't had any trouble.

Schedule (for yesterday anyway)
-

7:45am - wake and bf
9:15am - solids
10:00am - nap
12noon - wake and bf
2:15pm - nap
4:00pm - wake and bf
5:30pm - solids
7:00pm - bf (but fell asleep several times)
7:30pm - bed
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 21, 2005, 17:48:14 pm
Real quick before Asher is up...

Hazel: How does Daniel do with the pea shells?

Deborah: I'll try the blanching thing next time I see them.  They're gone this morning, of course.  No peas today.  We tried wake-to-sleep and it only seemed to make it worse.  I wonder if we should try it again now that he's sleeping through the night.  Think that'd make a difference?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 21, 2005, 18:45:03 pm
Julie - Daniel seems to just eat the pea shells the same as the pea itself.  When I first gave them to him (couple of weeks back) I actually popped them out of the shell before I put it in his mouth.  Now he just eats them himself.  He's always so flippin hungry that I don't think he could ever be bothered to take the pea out of it's shell and store the shells in his mouth!  Take too long :lol:    He does have all 4 top and bottom teeth now so I guess that gives him a helping hand.

I have been wondering about using wake to sleep to encourage Daniel to sleep til 7.  Haven't had the guts yet.  This morning though he slept til 7.30!!!  Oh I wish his body clock would get used to that wake up time.  Somehow I think tomorrow it will be 6.30 again.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 21, 2005, 18:48:36 pm
Hi, all.  I've been reading, but have not had time to post until now.
Julieb-I just discovered little bumps at the small of Kelsey's back, just above her bum.  I think this may be a small rash as she had a poo that made it up a little far.  :(   However, they are not white in the middle, and are consentrated to a one inch area. 
Deborah-Adorable pic of Maya!  Glad she's doing well with Cheerios.
Hazel-I, too, love your name.  And I love that "hat" picture of Daniel.  What a cutie!  Figures he wasn't smily at the photo session.  They don't usually do want we want, when we want do they?
Tammy-I think I created Kelsey's 30 minute nap problem earlier because I would rush in, not knowing better.  I could have saved us both a lot of heartache, but I'll know better next time, huh?

I'm taking the cue from some of you:
Happy Kelsey news: She took a 2 hour morning nap, and she pulled from sitting onto her knees today.  She really wanted at her walker that I was adjusting.  It was so cute, even if it was a fluke for now.  She's still lunging forward and trying to figure out how to move forward, but in the walker she goes backwards.  :)
Title: Hi
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 21, 2005, 18:52:57 pm
Hello Fellow Babywhisperers:)

Just wanted to jump in here and introduce myself. I have made a few posts here on the boards, but didn't know there was a thread going for moms of Jan/Feb babies - how cool. 

I have one lo, Hannah Elise (born in our kitchen!! on Jan 3rd 5:45am). She truly is the joy of our lives, as I know you lo's are to your families.

I recognize some of your screen names from a few of my posts. Thanks for your input. It's so nice to have a place to go where you can chat with other Mom's implementing the Babywhisperer method. Tracy's book is by far THE BEST baby gift I was given prior to Hannah's birth. I tell all my friends who are expecting to RUN to the book store and buy all of the BW books:)

One question though - what do your parents, or older relatives/friends think about Tracy's method? I know my mom did cry-it-out with me and my sibs when she raised us. Sometimes I think that my parents and inlaws think that we parents these days are into the whole psycho babble whatever, and spoil our kids. Not that care what anyone thinks - one look at Hannah and anyone can see that she is a well adjusted, well rested and overall happy little person. Sure we've had our bumps along the way, but I just refer back to Tracy's "manual":) (and you mom's here)and we're back on track.

Well enough rambling from me :) Look forward to chatting with you all.

Joanne
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 21, 2005, 19:07:06 pm
Hi Joanne,
I only recently joined in this chat, but love it already. 

Did you plan to give birth in your kitchen?!  I don't think there'd be room in my kitchen!

I don't tend to tell people that I'm a 'baby whisperer' as such.  I have had a few people (MIL for one) tell me that I should let him cry it out.  I try to accept their offer of advice but just stick with what we do.  I tend to often say ' we find this has always worked so we'll stuck with it'.  I guess it's easier for us as he is an angel when it comes to sleeping so we never really have to struggle with getting him to sleep etc...  Crying it out is never needed anyway.  Not that I could do it I don't think.

BTW our ds was going to be a Hannah had he been a dd!  I love the name.  Maybe next time.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 21, 2005, 19:19:56 pm
Yes. We planned a homebirth. My pregnancy was very uneventful, and I was in great shape. I walked and exercised 2 hrs a day! We had an amazing midwife who came to our home. I laboured in a huge blow up pool full of warm water from 10pm until 5am when Hannah was born. I will definitely do a water birth again for the next baby- it was so calming and relaxing. The best part of the home birth was being able to climb in to my own bed shortly after the birth with Hannah and DH (Ben) for some bonding time, and eventually sleep:) It was such an amazing day.  I know home birth is not for everyone, but for our family it was a great experience.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 21, 2005, 19:28:00 pm
One more question. What are your lo's favorite toys these days? Just thought we could share products or homemade things that keep them busy and learning. Here are Hannah's faves:

-board books. She will sit still on my lap for at least 5 books - she loves to be read to.
-pots and pans
-exersaucer
-balls
-any toy with the cruncy plastic inside. She has a fabric bug with plastic in the wings. It is loud and she loves to crumple it in her hands.
-paper-when I clip coupons from the Sunday paper she plays with the scraps:)
-my cell phone, though I don't let her put it in her mouth!

Joanne
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 21, 2005, 20:48:12 pm
Wake-to-sleep - Speaking from the perspective of the one who stayed in bed... I think the key is to only stir them, not wake them fully.  For Maya, that meant just laying a hand on her chest or touching her cheek until she stirred or sighed in her sleep.  If she opened her eyes at all, we'd gone too far.  And keep in mind, it's only going to work if that early AM wake-up is fairly predictable.  With Maya, it was 5am on the nose for almosta week straight.

JulieB - It's worth a try if you're running out of other options.

Welcome Joanne!  As far as BW goes, they think we're nuts.  All of our parents think we are way too rigid with naptimes and such and that we push her to sleep too much.  All I know is that for the most part, when we're home and it's just us, I have a happy baby who takes reasonably good naps and sleeps through the night.  MIL thinks I should rock her to sleep when she's fussy and my mom said she always nursed us to sleep.  It's a good thing I don't really care what they think.  We usually try to avoid the subject with the same, "Well, it works for us."

And Maya's teething, so her favorite toys right now are anything that fits in her mouth.  Speaking of which, I think we may have her first tooth.  She won't let me see it, but there's something sharp in there.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 21, 2005, 21:49:39 pm
Deborah: The bumps do blanche.  Does that mean anything?  I just tried it on the random spots, not the bunch he got on his back because they're not there right now.  :?  I'll watch for them though.

Joanne: Welcome!  We also think BW is a lifesaver, especially with Asher being the high needs baby that he is.  I shutter to think what he might be like had I not found BW.  :shock:   But everyone (except these ladies) thinks we have a screw loose (several, in fact).   :lol:   I learned real quick about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy as well as the "smile and nod" technique.   :wink:   It kinda comes out eventually, but I keep the info I volutnteer to a minimum.  With our families (mine mainly), we got A LOT of pressure to do CIO and much criticism of Asher's high needs personality (implying we had made him that way), but I finally grew a backbone after 4 months, told them all off, and all of us have been much better/happier for it since (them included!).   :wink:   Now we just don't talk about it, minus the occassional passive aggressive comments.   :roll:
Your home birth sounds positively wonderful!  I had originally planned a natural water birth at my birthing center (wanted someone else to clean up the mess  :lol:  ), but found out Asher had turned breech 3 days before my DD.  I went 9 days overdue, trying every trick in the book to get him to turn, but ended up with an emergency c-section once I went into labor.  :?   I hope for a VBAC next time.  I plan to never see the inside of a hospital again if I have anything to say about it.  But my birthing center won't do VBACs, so it looks like I'm destined for a home birth next time around!  What laboring method did you use?  I used hypnobirthing and it was awesome!  None of the nurses believed I was actually in labor until they checked me!   :lol:
For toys, I can't let Asher have paper, though he loves it!  But he eats it!  And the crinkly toys aren't as fascinating to him anymore.  Not sure why, even though we rotate the toys.  Board books also get eaten, but he has two that he just loves and I catch him looking at by himself at times!  Tupperware is a big hit though.  He also loves wrestling with a couple stuffed animals and playing with his FP piano (LOVES music), FP walker, and FP activity gym center thingie (whatever that is).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 22, 2005, 00:05:25 am
JulieB - That fact that they blanch is a good thing.  When I called our ped about it, that is what they said to check.  If they didn't blanch, I would have had to take her in to get checked out.  Presumably the alternative was much worse, but then again, she was only a weeks and a half old at the time, so they take everything more seriously at that age.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 22, 2005, 10:13:29 am
Hi All (and we are turning out to be ALOT of moms!!)

Christie I am not sure where you will find babysense - I looked at AMAZON but only found a review. Maybe you can request it from them. If you are struggling, my cousin is in houston and is coming home for a visit. I have an extra copy I can send you if you don't find it!

ooh - seperation anxiety - I am very nervous as we have had a little taste already. We will have to be strong I think - baby will be fine!!

Hazel Yes - I DO overspend on Lise - must say I don't feel guilty as I am spending NOTHING on myself (funny how that works!!)

Julie and what is this about SENIOR :lol: We took a couple of long car trips. Just be prepared for ANYTHING. I also gave lise some "rescue remedy" to deal with the restlessness. Other than that - we stopped often (when she was awake) and I sat in the back entertaining her. I also played a CD with her favourite sing along songs ... this usually helps - this is a baby who used to calm down and SLEEP with my hairdryer on MAX POWER!!

Branwan Our "routine" is also sooooo messy at the moment. I leave for work around 8:30 (lise is tired then but if I didn't drive I could stretch her a little) - but now with her being tired she falls asleep (through my talking etc!!!) for the 20min drive to work - and then WAKES UP only to be tired again very soon. Anyway - here goes our most recent routine

6:15 Wake and in bed with us (I know - I try to get her to sleep till 7!!)
7:00 Formula and cereal (I do both in 1 - not  time for 2 sittings in the am)
8:30 SLEEP in car
9:00 Wake up and play
11:00 Bottle
11:15/30 SLEEP
1:00 Activity (she will have woken up after 45min and then resettled by myself or my mom
1:30 Some veg
3:00 Bottle
3:15/30 SLEEP - usually 30 - 45min
4:00 AWAKE and will not go down for another nap - so we are now walking etc.

on this note I will tell you about this research I am taking part in:
A weighted blankie - this is just a blankie filled with about 600g of sand - this is then used at all naptimes and also night sleep. Started today and will let you know how it works out!


US Well thank you for the nice comments on pics - must say I feel pretty in them - and well - haven't felt pretty for a while. Am still struggling with ALOT of post pregnancy weight!! I am NOT buying ANOTHER wardrope (Preggy summer wardrobe, non pregnant winter wardrope as prepregnant winter wardrobe did not fit!!! and now we are into summer again!!) Well that is life!!
Lise is doing well - I am just a little worried about some strabismus in her left eye (looks inward) I think I will have it checked out - here is where having a dr for a husband is NOT GOOD - he thinks it is fine and I should give her another 2 months. I am WORRIED and would like tests to be done NOW!!! But I guess he knows best!! (my Internet searches is getting ALOT of criticism right about now!!!)
Do any of you have any info on strabismus?

OK - bye for now
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 22, 2005, 13:05:16 pm
Quote from: herbst99
6:15 Wake and in bed with us (I know - I try to get her to sleep till 7!!)

Same here!!!!!  :oops:

Will post more later, just wanted to check in quick. I have some MAJOR questions regarding nightime sleep, but my kids are soon coming into the classroom, must go!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 22, 2005, 17:23:22 pm
Eirwen is 8 months today!!!!  :shock:  :D

I'm sorry I haven't been responding to people- it really is one of my favorite things about coming here.

Hazel- Eirwen is also in the 9 to 12 but even that is getting small.  Even though some guy called her fatso :evil:  yesterday it is really the length.  I had to go to 12-18 in some brands because my dd is so tall.  I get so embarrassed going into the toddler section :oops:  I would feel bad about the $ but I never buy anything for myself anymore so I indulge in my child.  8)  Daniel is lovely- I love his hat.

Oh, and I have been known to wear what I wake up in all day :roll:

Christine- I don't know what I'm going to do with the meat thing.  I don't really eat a lot of it and no red meat but my husband eats everything..so unsure.  BTW- it looks disgusting to me so thanks for the heads up!

JulieB- Do you have video up of Asher clapping?  Eirwen has just started clapping and I started the bye-bye a month ago but no go on that just yet- although I think I've caught her waving but I'm not totally convinced it was on purpose.  Also- Eirwen has stork bites above her eye lids.  her skin is so fair/translucent anyway, so they kind of just blend in.  I think this is different form what you mean?  We were told they would fade by 2 yrs but I think they've already started to.

Julie- Tarri is so right! You are not the senior mommy :wink: In fact other than this site all the women I know that have just had babies are 32 to 42!  I am the "baby with the baby" out here! :wink:

Tarri/Julie- thank you for your suggestions.  I have gone back to PU/PD after yesterday.  I took her into the city/Boston and she would not sleep in the car even though I timed the driving with her nap times.  so she ended up being awake 7 hrs and I put her to bed at 4:30.  I knew she would wake up for food because she fell asleep on the breast (only 1 side) so at 10:30 I ended up feeding her again, which I don't ever do.  So...after that today is the first day of PU/PD again.  I feel good about it, I think it is the right decision.  I mean she was so hysterically tired that one second she would laugh, then cry then scratch face, babble...it was seriously like I'd given her eight cups of coffee!!! :shock:  :(

Heather- yeah, she won't go down for the nap or she only naps for 45 min which puts her at 3-4 hr awake time  so I've been waiting it out, try again 15 min later, etc.  sometimes I'll do the wind down and she is so tried and making all the signs when I sing our songs but then I put her in the crib and she is hysterical holding her head.  I assume teething, so I take her out, give her some homeopathic stuff and wait again.  So it has been so hit and miss and then it is time for a feed.

Tammy- I feel better today about her face plan today.  I am still so sad about her bruised cheek but she is doing fine with that.  In fact I don't even think she cares.  Sometimes I think these thigns affect us mommies more than the babies.

Nikki- I think it is cool that your dd might be a baby model.  Those pics are so cute!

Deborah- you so hit the nail on the head about temp v. permanent.  I think I've waited long enough for the teething.  I mean they are half way up and if the worst part is the breaking through we are passed that and now we just need to move on because this is only going to continue- more teeth!  :wink:

Heather- that is great about the pulling up to knees!  YAY!

Us-Today I went back to PU/PD and although it took 40 min and then she only slept 45 it is better than 7 hrs of awake time!  We will be trying again today too. I needed to take my own advice about deciding what she needs- more proactive I guess.  Wish me luck! 

Okay that's all I can catch up on today- time to feed! :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 22, 2005, 17:54:17 pm
julieb:

Q What laboring method did you use?

A I  took husband coached Bradley classes. BUT I also followed my midwifes advice to exercise like crazy to stay in great shape. She explained it this way: If you were going to run a marathon you would spend the days and weeks prior to the event training your body, you wouldn't just show up on the day and start running. That made so much sense to me so I power walked every day for an hour and then did a bunch of exercises designed to exercise all the muscles that are used during labour. I really believe that that's what helped me the most was the exercise rather than the Bradley classes. Hannah arrived 11 days before my due date so my mom didn't make it for the birth. When she watched the birth video  she said, "you're barely making a noise, why weren't you screaming your head off, you didn't have any drugs".  It was so funny. 

I also ate a little and drank lots of water during labour. My midwife said that one of the big reasons that women run into trouble during labour is that they become dehydrated and that causes complications.  She used another analogy that if you were cleaning your house or digging a ditch you'd make sure you had eaten beforehand to give yourself the strength and stamina to fuel your body.

Anyway........I'll get off my soapbox now, I get very passionate about pregnancy and labour :)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 22, 2005, 17:56:53 pm
Yesterday was so weird.  He took a really short afternoon nap which is rare.  Then I tried to extend and he'd have none of it, which is even rarer.  So I did PU/PD for 20 minutes and he screamed all the way through.  Even more rare!  By that time, we were at the end of the shortest nap I will allow (~1.5 hrs), so I just got him up.  And boy, he was an emotional grouch the rest of the evening (went to bed early then).

Happy Asher News: He slept until 6:40 this morning as opposed to 6:20.   :D   Still not 7:00 though.  :roll:  And he was quite content all morning.  Usually he notices me in the kitchen getting his breakfast together and starts beating down the gate to eat.   :shock:   Oh, and he ate his pear and banana finger foods amazingly well this morning.  Despite their sliminess, he's figured out how to pick them up.   :D

Nikki: What's the purpose of the weighted blanket?

Branwen:  Did you beat that guy with a large stick?!  I cannot believe the gall of some people!  Once Eirwen is moving around, she'll start thinning out like you wouldn't believe!  :shock:   Happens to all BF babies.  Sometimes Asher looks a bit scrawny to me, I miss his pudginess.  We're in the 12-18 mths as well and have been for quite a long time (for length).
I haven't managed to get the clapping or waving on video yet.  But he doesn't actually make the clapping sound yet, just imitates banging his somewhat open hands together.  How do you do bye-bye?  With the hand or arm?  We do the arm so I think it's much easier for him.
Asher has various stork bites as well (though I was calling them strawberries, but I guess those are the raised kind), but I'm not concerned about those (my whole family has them).  It's the little newborn bumps that still come and go, after all these months.  It's so weird.  :?   I'm gonna ask at his 9 mth appt again.  Last time she said they were from the heat, but I really don't think so.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 22, 2005, 18:07:45 pm
Joanne:  Oh I totally agree!  I'm very passionate about it as well!
The food thing was one of my biggest beefs with the hospital!  When my water broke, I ate a big turkey sandwich before going to the hospital because I knew I wouldn't get anything for a good 24 hours!  :?   But I managed to convince the night shift nurse to give me some snacks.   :lol:

The excersize thing is a great tip.  I was doing yoga, but mainly for back pain.  I did the kegals and squats for the muscles, but never thought about the endurance thing.  I'll keep that in mind for next time!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 22, 2005, 18:24:56 pm
JulieB - Do the stork bites look like little broken blood vessels?  If so Maya has a bunch.  The ones between her eyebrows have faded.  she also has some more visible ones on the back of her neck, but they're in the hairline where you don't see them.  Strawberries are the raised kind.  That's what Maya has on her forehead.  It's about the size of a fingerprint.  She has another one on the top of her head, and a tiny one on her shoulder.

Branwen - I can't believe ANYONE called Eirwen a fatso.  I would have been livid.  We've dealt with alot of insensitive remarks, particularly with regard to the birthmark on Maya's forehead, and you'd think I would have gotten used to it by now, but it still es me off.

Well, we're off to the doctor again this afternoon.  Maya has been kind of fussy which I attributed to teething (it's official, there are two popping out), but this morning she started jamming her fingers in her ear and tugging on her earlobe.  Normally, I'd give it a day, but since we're flying to El Salvador on Saturday, I'd rather find out today that she's fine (and I'm a worrywart) than find out Saturday on the plane that she's really in pain.  Thank heaven for good insurance.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 22, 2005, 20:30:01 pm
Welcome Joanne!!!

I have been checking Jusspress.com. All of the babies are so cute and the videos are awesome.

Julieb- I can't belive Asher in his videos. The things he does! Wow! I can't wait for Leah to cruise and crawl. Or maybe I can.....  :wink: Yay for Asher sleeping so long!!!!!! I wish!

Heather - Yay for Kelsey on sleeping so long! Leah also goes backwards in her walker, hasn't figured out how to go forward! No crawling here yet. How about you?

Happy 8 months Eirwen!!!! Branwen- I've given up on the meat thing for now. Someone told me they didn't serve meat till a year? People call Leah chubby all the time too. I always say she is healthy! She too is in 9-12 month clothing. Very long too!

Deborah- Let us know what happens at the docs office. Hope all is well!

Well, I have to run. Will post more later.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 22, 2005, 20:52:14 pm
Well, we're back, and she's fine.  But I am glad we went.  Her left ear (the one she was grabbing at) was so full of wax they couldn't see the ear drum.  Chances are, that's what was bothering her.

And she weighed in at a whopping 15lbs, 3oz.  Talk about scrawny.  We too, are in 9-12mos sizes for sleepers and onesies, though, because she is so long.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 22, 2005, 21:51:49 pm
I'm having a discouraging afternoon.   :(   Asher's spit up has been sooooo bad the last two days.  I've gone through more than twice the amount of bibs and burp cloths as usual.  I can usually get away with doing a load of burp cloths once a week.  You know it's been a bad week when I do it twice.   :?   I often sit on the floor while Asher plays.  He'll  crawls over to say hi and climb on me.  Twice today he's come over and spit up all over me -- just in time!  Saved the carpet, I guess.  Not that it needs saving, it's already covered in spit up stains.  I stopped trying to clean the spots months ago.  There are just too many to sit there and blot with the Resolve.   I just wipe up the puddle (so it's not completely sopping wet if we step in it  :roll: ), and on we go.  It's so many, I wouldn't even begin to count.  20, 30 per A time?  Seems like every 5-10 minutes.  He smells so gross by the end of the day.  The bibs help, I can switch them out easily, but his clothes still end up catching a lot.  I tried just putting him in a diaper, but the dog hair seems to stick to wet skin more than it sticks to wet clothes.  He was even more gross that I gave him a bath.  When will this end??   :roll:  Thanks for letting me vent...

Deborah: Yeah, those are the stork bites.  Asher's haven't faded.  I'm not sure if they will.  Mine never did.  Me & my sisters all have one on the back of our necks, just above the hair line.  Asher has a large one there as well, covering almost his whole neck.  He also has a couple small ones elsewhere.  Glad Maya turned out to be okay!  We'll miss you while you're gone for a whole week!!

Christine:  Thanks!!  Most of the time, I can't believe all the stuff Asher's been doing this month either!   :lol:   He's still so little!  Well, not actually *little*, but he's just a baby!!  Makes me sad that it's going by so fast!  :(
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 23, 2005, 00:53:24 am
Joann-Welcome!  So glad you could join our group.  We have a lot of fun and these gals are great support and encouragement.  We also love to celebrate our lo's achievements together.  I don't tend to outright mention BW just because it doesn't come up.  My mom and MIL know that I have the book and use it, but no one seems to offer an opinion either way.  However, I will say that most everyone finds it fasinating the way Tracy could have the "cries" broken down (1st book I believe) and how well they matched to Kelsey.  I guess I should have suggested the book to friends that have had babies recently, and maybe I still will if they ask for advice.  Oh, and congrats on a great birthing experience.
Christine-I love your new avatar!  Leah is soooo cute.   Kelsey is actually getting upset in the walker, but I think she's done this with everything at the first couple of tries.  I think she'll love it when she starts moving forward.  I got it because she seems discontent in the exersaucer and sitting on the floor.  She isn't crawling, but I think she really wants to.  She lunges forward, not even at a toy or anything in particular, just wants to go I think.  But she lands on her belly/face and rolls over.  She will not stay on her belly for any length of time.  However, she can sometimes catch herself with arms straight and kind of on her knees with her legs still tucked in, kind of like "indianstyle criss cross".  Does that make sense?  I just wonder, does she still lack the arm strength to support herself on all fours?  Sometimes while standing at the Leap Frog table, she'll just let loose and turn as if she were going to just walk off, not realizing that she can't. 
Branwen-Good luck with pu/pd.  I really think Eirwen will come through this real soon.  She just needs a little help getting readjusted.   She's a brilliant child and will figure it all back out quickly.  HUGS!!  Happy 8 months!!!
Deborah-I'm glad Maya's okay.  Did they do anything to remove the ear wax?  Kelsey always gets a ton of build up that I swipe away with a washcloth, but I can't get what's way down inside the ear.  Boy, she is a petite thing, isn't she?   :lol:
Julieb-I had no idea Asher's spit up was that bad.  I'm so sorry.  I don't have any advice or knowledge on the subject, but I hope it gets better for you both soon.  It is amazing that such a little guy does so much already.  It's wild how they change and develop sooo fast!
Us-Weird day.  She cried harder than she has in a long time, and I just couldn't figure it out.  However, she was very happy and fun when we met my mom for dinner, so that was a treat.  Kelsey has a stork bite like most others on the back of her neck, and she has a strawberry hemangioma almost at the crown of her head.  It only bothers me that it might burst if she were to hit her head, but her ped said it would clot and be fine.  Deborah-did you know they are supposed to disapper within 1-5 years?  Big time gap, I know, but my cousin had one on her back the size of a quarter or bigger, and you'd never know it now.  When did Maya's appear?  I think Kelsey was a couple of weeks old, and it started real small.  Now it's about the size of fingertip, probably like Maya's.
Since everyone has been talking about clothing sizes, I have a question.  After 9-12 months, the clothes are labeled like 12 mos, 18 mos.  Well, does 12 mos mean up to 12 mos or do they wear 12mos until they are 18 mos, or what?  Am I making sense?  For next summer, I bought Kelsey 18 mos, which would be next August, but she's also small, and wears a size for at least an extra month, so I might have bought too big.  I'm confused.

Gosh, sorry so long tonight.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 23, 2005, 01:53:39 am
Heather - the clothing sizes are so annoying!  But 12 mos means 9 to 12, 18 means 12 to 18 mos, 24 means 18 to 24 etc.  Of course, I have no idea how big my guy will actually be next summer (meaning I have no idea what "range" he'll be wearing by that point)!  It stinks too, cause they've been having the great sales.  I just bought one size up in stuff.  I don't feel ready to buy 18 month clothes yet!

Us - we had such a bad day today.  Got up at normal time, ate a great breakfast, went for a walk, went down for a nap great.  Then when he woke up from his nap, he was a little cry-y, not terrible but not normal either.  Then he screamed his head off not wanting to eat his lunch, and he only at a couple of ozs. of his bottle.  Then he only ate 4 ozs. at his 3 pm bottle.  He ate a good dinner of solids, but again only ate 4 ozs. of bottle.  But he's just been very whiny today - I was ready for his bedtime about 4 pm!   :roll:  :wink:

My SIL called today to say that my niece has hand, foot, & mouth disease, which is really a virus.  But they were together over the weekend, so now I'm watching him like a hawk to see if he develops any bumps on his hands, feet, or inside his mouth.  So far so good, so please pray for him not to get it!  He already has a cold, I don't think I could handle something else on top of that!

I wanted to mention more to people, but I have mommy brain tonight, and am starving, so I'm going to run.  Have a good evening!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 23, 2005, 02:25:43 am
Tammy-I'll pray for Ethan not to come down with that.  Thanks for the tips on sizes.  I only bought next summer things because they were outfits (top and bottom) for $2!!!  And shirts or shorts separate for $1.  Couldn't resist.  They are from stores I could still return them for my money back within 6 months, so I have time to watch her growth and size needs.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 23, 2005, 03:56:12 am
ok - i feel bad that i have not had time or energy to write responses to any of your posts since about page 57  :oops:  so wil try to write where i have anythign to say (D'oh).  we really do write a lot and it is a large group now  :lol:

Christine - i am glad you got to have some fun - and nice family photos.  ever since i got PG with alex i am a cheap date - 1-2 glasses of wine and i am getting drunk!!  With the pureed meat - you really have to make it with real meat - i assume you were talking about  a jar f food eight?  those pre-made meat purees are nasty!! i found when i did a puree with my own meat or chicken with some veggies together tehn it was not bad.

Hazel - i can't believe Daniel has 8 teeth!! that is impressive! we are still waiting for our first at 7 mo.  Love your photo at the wedding - that is lovely.  Your EASY schedule could work for us except olivia refuses to take more than a 45 min nap in the morning. i am trying hard to get her to extend to go down at 9:30 but 99% of the time she has to be in bed by 9 and thsat means i have trouble getting her to stay up past 12:30 (today i managed until 1pm and we will see the result)  she usually takes a 1 1/2 hr 2nd nap so i end up offering a catnap too (not always taken) so if i could get closer to your timings she would be better off.

Jaime - olivia claps too - is it not the cutest.  she claps her stackng rings, her hands, etc and is so proud.

Branwen - love the blocks photo - we have those too and i had been thinking of geting them out that very day and then saw your photo...  We switched to the sleep bag when i went to the clinic stay.  we did the loose swaddle for 1 day and then when she slept through the night unswaddled we never looked back.  from that next day it was sleeping bag every sleep.  she has a grobag and also a fleece one with sleeves. Glad to hear Eirwen is ok!!

Tarri - i am also waiting until closer to 8 mo for finger foods. i will see but am in no rush.

Joanne - welcome to our group!  what an amazing birth story!!

Deborah - glad Maya is ok - it would be terrible to fly with her if she had an ear infection - that happened to us before we toook alex on a trip once and had to run to the Dr the morning of our flight to get checked (we had heard it was "dangerous" to fly with ear infection and thought we were going to have to cancel - she was ok in the end!!)

Whew!! all caught up - i had been feeling bad that i was so focused on me and not replying to everyone - it was just moving to fast for my tired head!!


Us -  ok - olivia is rolling from back to tummy A LOT and i can't keep her still on the change table or in her cot.  it took 3 naps yesterday for er to figure out how to sleep on her tummy - posted about it on sleep board -  (slept 20 min after 1 1/2 hrs of settling and finally had to hold her down on her back, 45 min on her back for 2nd nap as she was so tired and then pooped and awake, 45 min catnap on tummy!!) she slept last night and this morning on back but is currently doing her 2nd nap and on her tummy - she settled herself that way!!!

she is really crawling backwards now - so fast! she is aiming to go forwards (has an object she is reaching for) but just goes further and further back away from it - she can actaully maneuver in a back circle to get there  :roll:  but cannot go forwards.

she started babling this week saying "babababa" and we have been encouraging the mama and dad thing now and she is mouthing the lip smacking "MMM" and trying to say mama (which would make me happy since alex said dada first)

both girls have terrible colds - snot everywhere - and coughing!! i am going thorugh tons of tissues - not fun!

olivia is still waking early (6:20 past 2 days) not sure how to get her back closer to 6:45 like before.  not sure if we shoudl bother with wake-to-sleep or assume it is all developmentally related and that she wil settle back down now that the rolling is sorted out  - what do you guys think?


it is almost 2pm and i have not had lunch so must dash off.  glad i caught up finally - thinking of you all and sorry for anything i did not reply to - i figure my post is long enough  :oops:

Oh - our typical day is:(+/- 15-20 min)
wake 0630
7am bottle / 7:30 solids / top up bottle (this is how she likes it)
sleep 9-9:45
11am bottle (if we are out oi will do solids here since she does not do public bottle very well, so will do it whenever we get home)
11:30/12 solids
12:30/1 nap 45 min or 1.5 hrs
3/3:30 bottle
4:30 catnap if necessary or wanted
5 solids
6:30/ 7 story (just started) and then bath
7/7:15 bottle and straight to ed
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 23, 2005, 05:38:06 am
ok i am back - i got to eat a quick lunch and then olivia woke and got herself in a bad spot and was screaming and crying - like 'who interrupted my sleep" :evil:   i got her calmed down but she woke alex up (instead of her usual long sleep she had less than an hour thanks to sister - when i went in she said she would not sleep any more so i hgad to get her up)  :cry:  and i could hear alex in her room while i was trying to shh/pat olivia - torn between going to her or staying with olivia.  when i tried to go to alex olivia woke and started screaming and crying. .  it took 5 minutes to get her to sleep  :D  but i could not keep her asleep.  it took from 2:20pm - 2:45 but i finally got her there and she is still asleep at 3:30 so just coming up on 45 min. i feel ike i am dealing with a newborn again - i have not shh/patted like that since she was 2 and 1/2 mo. i have to say shh/pat is definiteloy easier with a tummy sleeper - but boy does it make me tired!!

i forgot to post other news earlier

1) good Deb news - i was accepted into a PPD support group starting next month - it is only 8 women and i had a 1 hour chat with the 2 facilitators - shoudl be great. it is 2 hrs on Thursday mornings and both girls will have to go to daycare so Olivia will have her first session in a couple of weeks - wish me luck!

2)olivia is having some sep. anxiety again. it comes and goes and she will suddenly cry if i leave her sight - other times she is fine.

3) she has started protesting loudly (for a week or so) if someone takes a toy for her.  and she has now started "fighting" with alex over toys.  if she wants a book alex is looking at she will "yell" at her and i will have to come over and make sure they share, etc  A little peek into the future?

oh cr@p she has woken again crying - i don't like that she wakes crying now - i think she just gets upset in the tummy position and bangs in to the cot - the whole time i was shh/pat her she was blowing raspberries, scratching the sheet, grabbing my arm, etc  :roll:

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Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on September 23, 2005, 19:59:56 pm
Ok, I don't have much time (should be packing), but I wanted to check in one last time.

Heather - They did clean out the wax.  They used this flexible plastic thing that looked like a very tiny needle threader.  Maya was so good, though. She didn't squirm or cry at all.

I hope everyone has a good week, full of sleeping through the night and good naps.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 23, 2005, 20:18:49 pm
Heather - Thanks for the comment about Leah. I think she's pretty cute too.  :wink: Leah's not crawling yet either, but she really wants too. I totally understand what you said about Kelsey's attempts. Leah will try to push up, then roll over instead. I think Leah lacks the strength to support herself. Sometimes I try and put her on all fours and once I let go she falls on her belly, then rolls!

Deb - Thanks for the advice about making your own meats. How did you go about pureeing (sp?) them? Oh, good for you to get into a support group. Plus it will be good for Olivia to go to daycare for awhile and meet other kids. Leah's seperation anxiety is also come and go.

Well, must go. Talk to everyone soon. Have a great weekend!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 23, 2005, 21:51:32 pm
As many of you will find out in the Lounge, we had a terrible accident at our school this afternoon (right after I posted the last message). After our Homecoming parade two girls were (unsafley) riding on a truck and fell off. They needed to be airlifted out and it doesn't look good. Our sitter and Leah were following the truck and were the first on the scene. My sitter was the one who called 911. Just say some prayers for the girls. I will keep you all updated.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 24, 2005, 00:35:34 am
One girl died before making it to the hospital. The other is in critical condition: the base of her skull is cracked.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 24, 2005, 00:51:04 am
Oh Christine - i am so sorry! and i saw your other post - i hope Leah is ok after the shock of the situation! what a horrible tragedy!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 24, 2005, 01:07:49 am
Christine, that's terrible about the two girls. 

Branwen, good luck with pu/pd.  I don't seem to have any success with it except at night.  The key to Emily's day sleep seems like good timing.  I now put Emily down for nap2 after 3.5hrs A time.   

JulieB, that sounds like a lot of spit-up!  Emily spits up and drools all the time but usually just a little bit at a time.  She soaks her bib and shirt every A time.  I don't have the carpet issue though cause she doesn't crawl yet.

Us, we had my parents up overnight.  And I think Emily might have remembered my mom from their visit 3 weeks ago.  I hope she keeps remembering her cause dh and I want to go out for an anniversary dinner in a month.

Emily is wearing 12 & 18 month size outfits.  They always look HUGE when I buy them but they shrink down to nothing and I only use warm water to wash them.

Happy Emily news, slept till 6:40am with me only going in once at 5am cause she had her head stuck against the slats.

Also, it seems like everyones lo's are crawling or trying hard to.  Emily isn't even really trying.  She doesn't like being on her tummy cause it makes her puke (I assume this is part of her acid reflux problem).  But I do get about 30mins a day out of her.  Also she has no interest in rolling either way even though she's done it a couple times.  Also she doesn't try to do anything from the sitting position either.  But she loves it when I walk her around the house.

Have a good day everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 24, 2005, 01:19:10 am
Ahhhh.... kids are asleep in bed & dh is on the phone with a friend - easily occupied for an hour or more... now i can catch up   :D 

Christine - that is so sad about those girls.  am praying for the one who is still (so far) alive.  do you work in a private (k-12) school?  this must be so hard on all the families & faculty.  i can't imagine.

Tammy - praying ethan doesn't get sick too.  :(  it stinks that you can pretty much only wait it out with pain meds.  fingers crossed!

Branwen - oh how scary!  glad you are both ok!  as for the obnoxious dude in the store - what a twit!!!  don't know if i would have given him a passise-aggressive glare or told him where to get off...

Julieb - was interested in what you were saying about setting the baby's internal clock to the times you want them to sleep.  i've kinda instinctively felt that was the case, but it's always nice to see professionals 'validating' mommy instinct.  do you remember where you happened to read it?  also, can totally empathize about not needing to save the carpet.... but since it seems to have increaed in volume suddenly, any chance he might have a little bug? 

Hazel - love the pic in the hat!  hope your professional shots come out well.  that dancing sounds hysterical! 

Deborah - loved the pic of Maya in her high chair!  she has such a great smile.  glad you got the "all clear" health wise.  i hope your trip goes well and you don't end up disowning some relatives.

Joanne - welcome!  wow, your birth sounds amazing (well, and a little scary to me anyhow!  :wink: ) but i'm glad (and in awe) that you got exactly what you wanted.  regarding BW... i have recommended the book to people who i think will appreciate it.  i will admit that i jealously guard the site - i've only told one friend about it - kinda like the anonymity - but she was one person who i knew would truly benefit.  my mom had never heard of tracy, but when #1 was born she happened to glance at the book and was in total agreement with just about all of it!  mil knows better than to criticize  :wink:  and never really offers advice cause she knows i don't do much of anything the way she did with her boys.

Nikki - can totally empathize with not wanting to buy another wardrobe.  especially when there's a perfectly good one in the closet that's not being used!!  maybe someday...

Heather - pulling up!  wow!  and the wanting to crawl - we're there too!  luke's getting better at getting his feet out so he looks like some kind of superman lying on the ground, but that's it so far!  and then he cries for help.  :roll:  someday!  re clothing sizes... it depends on the manufacturer.  carters 12 months means 9-12 months... but some others (circo sometimes does) 12 months means 12-18 months.  i'd check the lenth/weight recommendations & go from there.

Debra - now that i know what you're asking  :wink: .... i think olivia's sleep issues sound completely developmental.  crawling backwards!  wow!  what a big step.  bet that has everything to do with her wanting to sleep on her belly to.  i'd probably try riding it out & see what happens.

Tarri - yay on the sleeping!  you must feel fantastic!  luke doesn't roll either.  i'm starting to wonder if it's genetic - both my kids hated it.   :roll:   :lol:

favorite toys - luke likes to pull things out of buckets.  so whatever's in the bucket at the time.  he can sit there for half an hour (or more!) playing.  oh... and big shiny necklaces  :oops:  i hope i'm not setting him up for cross-dressing or anything, but we have these necklaces my mom brought from Gasparilla (think Mardi Gras without all the sex & booze).  she brought them for jaina but luke LOVES them.  hoping it's just cause they're shiny.

clothing size - luke can wear 6-9 in pajamas (though 6-12 or 9-12 fits better), shorts, and onesies, but shirts need to be at least 6-12 or his belly sticks out!  :lol:

separation anxiety - comes and goes around here.... thankfully right now it's going.   :wink:

Us - we are almost a germ-free zone.  turns out there were 2 stomach bugs - the mild one the kids had and then the evil one dh got.  and dh was nice enough to share with everyone - including me!  :x  oh well, lived to tell the tale.  though now i'm getting a complex about luke's eating - each time i try to feed him orange vegetables, he gets a stomach bug!  but he never acted sick, so i can't tell if it was a food allergy or germs!  i'm feeling so far behind on the solids cause they just seem to make him mr. pooper! 

oh, our schedule (ideally, mind you)
7am wake
7:30 bottle
8:15 cereal
9-10:30ish - nap
11:30 - bottle
2-4 nap (still working on this one - would like him to sleep more at this point, but he still sometimes wakes early)
4/4:30 - bottle
6 - dinner
7:30/8 bottle & bed

whew!  think (hope) that's everyone.  have a great weekend!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 24, 2005, 03:06:18 am
Wow! A lot of us are now onboard! I have been reading all the messages and finally trying to get back to you all.
Nikki! I spend a lot on Diya's toys too and justify the expenses by not buying anything for myself. I bring her to bed with me in the morning too:) Even if she doesn't sleep, she just plays quietly between me and DH and I can get some extra snooze. That is the best time of my day actually because I get all the cuddles and kisses when she is kind of sleepy! Otherwise my DD is not a very cuddly girl! I loved your pics. BTW, how do you manage to take part in these researches. Would love to hear about that!
Juileb: I have read somewhere in BW forums that babies at this age sleep for only 11 hrs in the night! Too bad, I enjoyed the 12 hrs of sleep too! Diya sometimes sleeps for 12 hrs if she woke up at 5a.m for a quick feed. I would rather like her sleeping through. You could move his bedtime later by changing it 15 mins at a time. I have read that too somewhere! Wow! that is a lot of spitting up. Hope it gets better
Christine: That is horrible! Leah always looks beautiful and I like the way you choose her clothes
Joanne: Welcome! Though I don't have the guts, it sounds very interesting making me think differently for the next one:)
Branwen: It must have been awful because it happened while you were holding her. The other day I left Diya for one second to wash my hands and her lips were red in color and I had fed her prunes! So, when I check her mouth, her gums were bleeding from the top. It was scary even though it was not dangerous. I had called my husband and even though he is a physician, he got scared and he drove at 90 miles an hour for the 5 min drive and we both kept ice cubes on her gum for 1 hr! Seems that the bloody part called frenulum was affected when she bumped her face to the floor! Don't worry about her schedule too! Try to keep to the schedule as much  as possible without stressing about it! I did that when Diya was teething and now when I think about it, I think that I could have handled it better!
Hazel:That is a beautiful pic! I would love to get a pic like that in our small town but am afraid to sit in a tall grassy area bacause of snakes!
Deb: That is how Diya started crawling! Glad to hear about the support group!
Tarri! Diya didn't roll much either. She went to crawling directly while I was trying to teach her to roll in both the directions! Just try to put some toys out of her reach so that she will try to lunge forward while sitting! I have read that some babies skip crawling and go directly to walking.  So, there is nothing to worry about Emily!
Jaime: That must have been hard!
Deborah: Maya is beautiful and her smile is awesome!
favorite toys: fisher price learning home and all the wires and outlets in our house!
JulieB: Do you think it is better now that Asher is cruising or is it harder in terms of babyproofing if you KWIM?
Happy Diya news: She pulled up to stand yesterday and said Mamama today! When I asked her to kiss one of my closest friends, she understood that she has to kiss my friend and not me and she kissed her!
Our schedule:
7.30 Wake up and BF
8.30 Solids
9:10 Nap(mostly 1.5 hrs and sometimes 45 mins)
11:00 BF
12: Solids
12.40: Nap (1.5hrs or 45 mins)
2 BF
3 Solids
4 Nap ( 45 mins or 1.5 hr depending on the last nap)
5 BF
7BF(sometimes we skip this)
8.15 BF and to bed at 8.30

I am posting the link to our professional pics! Diya is looking great! DH and I were not happy with the way we turned out because of the last minute hurry! I am wearing a traditional outfit from India.

http://www.juliedodd.photosite.com/ramesh/?page=1
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 24, 2005, 14:59:30 pm
Christine-so sorry about the girls, and Leah getting upset by all the comotion.  That truly is a tragedy.  Keep us posted on the other girl.

Tarri-even though Kelsey will lunge forward, as soon as she lands on her belly she rolls right over.  I'm still not certain that she will crawl because she won't stay on her belly long enough to push up on her hands and knees.  She only rolls tummy to back.  She does like to stand, but lets go alot not realizing that she'll fall.  Right now she only wants to stand or have me hold her.

Jaime-glad you all are getting better.  I can't tell if Kelsey's runny nose and congestion are a cold or just due to teething.

Vidya-wow, pulling up, kisses, and mamama!  That's great.  And I love, love, love all the pictures.  Hope you get to keep them all.  What a beautiful family.

Us-Well, I guess I need some encouragement.  I lost my cool this morning with Kelsey.  She's whined since she woke this morning, except while playing with dh.  I know she doesn't feel well, teething, runny nose, as stated above.  But she will play some, but won't let me walk away.  She doesn't want to sit and play much anymore, and is all around just fussy.  I tried to go out and get a bite to eat at a restaurant my mom works at last night.  She cried and fussed, but thankfully mom could hold her for awhile so I could eat.  Usually she's fine at that time of day.  I'm having a pity party not being able to get out during the day b/c I'm a slave to her nap times.  I'm giving her motrin and the teething tablets, but she's still whining.  She doesn't have a temp.  But I yelled at her to stop whining, and of course that made her cry.  So I felt awful and just held and cuddled her and gave lots of kisses.  Thanks for letting me share.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 24, 2005, 23:31:48 pm
Heather, Emily's whining can also get on my nerves.  But luckily she's pretty good most of the time.  I hope Kelsey's runny nose and teething get better tomorrow :)

Vidya, I watched your entire slide show.  They are really really nice pictures.  I haven't had professional ones done with Emily yet.  I'm thinking I'll wait till near Christmas and use them as presents.

Jamie, I'm glad your stomach bugs are over!

Christine, how is the other girl doing?  And how are you and Leah doing too? 

Us, we had a pretty good day.  Just a little episode when I tried to put her plastic bib on and it caught one of her chin fat rolls and she cried like crazy.  Took 15 minutes to settle her enough to put her in the high chair again and get her to eat.  But I got a 1.5hr nap2 out of her and that more than makes up for lunch.  YEAAH!  She and I were super happy after that nap! :D

Good night everyone!  Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 25, 2005, 00:11:47 am
Hi everyone!

Joanne- delay in my saying hi and welcoming you! sorry!  I love your birth stories also.  My dh didn't want me to have a home birth because he was too afraid of complications.  I did do a lot of prep though- diet mostly and low impact exercise to go med free- and I am happy to say I made it!  I too stayed hydrated for the birth and listened to my body as much as possible- I did make a lot of noise though :wink:  and had to tell the nurses to leave me alone because they kept offering me drugs :evil: which I specifically told them I didn't want. I know they were trying to be nice but it is so hard to say no- so I had to get them to stop coming.  Then when I told them to check on me because I had gone past transition (they didn't believe me) Eirwen was COMING and it was a scramble.  I think because I did so well and Eirwen was so healthy that my dh would now be open to a home birth...I would like to try it next time. :D

Deborah- Maya is beautiful and people are ?!%^*&*$!!!!!

Christine- That is terrible about those girls.  I can't imagine.  Were they young :cry: I hope your sitter and Leah are doing okay from it.

JulieB- your spit up sounds horrific. :wink:   You're like the best mommy ever for not complaining before!  I would be concerned though- are you sure he's okay- I mean this is normal yes?


Tammy
- I hope your days are going better!  I love that you say "mommy brain" this is what I say- most people look at me like I am crazy when I say that :wink:

Deb- glad to see your post!  congrats on the support group- I so need something like that.  And congrats to Livvy for doing all of those things, including tummy sleeping!!!  Eirwen too is mmmm'ing it and I can't wait for mama!!!

Tarri- I am very jealous of all the things the other babies are doing but Eirwen is SO the definition of touchy so she is going to be a bit slower on these things.  I will wait for her!  She too has only rolled those couple of times...I can't even figure out what inspired it to recreate it again, and still doesn't pull up or go on all fours, or even stand well :?   I did notice her attempting commando crawling today- so cute- but it was only because she REALLY wanted this toy I put in front of her.

Heather- Don't feel bad about the whining and your loosing it.  I get huffy with Eirwen sometimes too, esp lately because it has been so often that she is upset and like you nothing works.  What I do now is decide we're going to go for a car ride and I listen to music I like for awhile and we come home or go to the store.  It helps me cool off a bit!  Share anytime :)

Okay, everyone that's all I've got time for right now but I'll be back soon!  Eirwen did really well today- took 2 naps- 1 hr and 1.5 hr's- that's so much better!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 25, 2005, 00:27:14 am
Thanks for all the moral support girls! Leah and I are fine. I just put her to bed and then I am off to town. We are having a candlelight vidual for the girls. The other girl is in critical condition, but still hanging on. She was able to remember the accident and could recognize people, but they worry about the swelling in her brain (she has a cracked skull). Both girls were 17 and in thier last year of school.

Jaime- I teach in a small town where the K-4, 5-8, and 9-12 buildings are connected.

Well, that's all for now! Take care and stay safe everyone!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 25, 2005, 02:10:03 am
Christine - we are praying for the one to recover, and the other's family.  That is so tragic, I can't even imagine.

Branwen - thanks for the encouragement.  I always say mommy brain!   :D   Any mom has to know what that means - it's like your brain is too scattered to make sense sometimes!  And way to go you for having a natural birth.  I couldn't do it, and honestly didn't want to!  But kudos for you (and anyone else) that can!

Tarri - sounds like you guys had a super nap day - those are the best!  I wouldn't worry too much about her not trying to crawl.  They will all do things in their own time, and some never crawl, they just decide to walk one day!  My nephew was a really late crawler, and late walker.  But once he learned to crawl, man, was he fast!  And he got everywhere so fast, I think that's why he didn't walk sooner!   :wink:

Heather - I have lost it with Ethan too.  It's those super whiny days where nothing pleases him, and he cries for no discernible reason, and doesn't nap well.  Then I feel horribly guilty because he's just a baby, and here I am getting mad!  But it happens to all of us, so don't feel *too* bad!   :wink:  :)

Vidya - I think the pictures of your family are gorgeous!  I'm jealous cause we have one family shot from about 4 months ago, and that's it.  I want to go somewhere before the holidays and get some made.  They will make great gifts!

Jaime - sorry you guys were all sick, but glad you're all on the mend!  It's so horrible to feel sick when trying to take care of kids, isn't it?

Deb - so awesome that you will be in a PPD group.  It's nice to have a place to go and talk about things! 

Julie - I am right there with you on the spit-up thing.  Ethan spits up constantly.  Not a ton, just a little here and there.  I try to keep him in something upright after he eats, whether it's his jumperoo, saucer, etc.  Doesn't really seem to matter.  Honestly, he used to hardly spit up.  Now that he is more mobile, and constantly wants to be rolling around and what not on the floor, he spits up.  I think it's because he's on his tummy a lot, or if he's sitting, he is using those ab muscles and squeezing his tummy.  Whatever the reason, it's gross!  I told dh that we're going to have to do some serious steam cleaning in our playroom when he gets over this!

Us - we had a good day today, after our hellish day yesterday.  Guess Ethan decided to give me a break!   :roll:  :wink:   He STILL has a runny nose from his cold, so it's been about a week with the darn thing.  Wish it would go away already.  But no hand, foot, and mouth disease so far.  I think it would have shown itself by now, it's been a week tomorrow that he and his cousin were together.  Fingers crossed!  And STILL no sign of teeth.  I swear I feel like I blame everything on these non-existant teeth of his!  Not that I want him to be teething, but if he isn't, then where has my sweet boy gone?!?  Last night he slept through with no wakeups, so that is good.  He has been a very good night sleeper since about 4 months, but the other night he woke up for some unknown reason screaming, and would not settle back.  I know one night of nightwaking is nothing for some of you - so I can't complain too much!  But when it happens like that, you think, what the heck is going on?  Catches me off guard!

I think I have caught up with everyone.  Have a good evening!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 25, 2005, 03:45:31 am
Christine - here is a link to the thread heather started about chicken/meat. it explains how we make meat and veg mixtures...
http://www.babywhisperer.com/forum/chicken-vt41820.html

Heather - you know i have been there before with losing my cool. you are human and we all have breaking points. she knows you did not mean anything and were just upset {{hugs}} to you.

Tarri - since you had been forever stuck on a 45 min 2nd nap what did you do different to get the 1.5 out of Emily?? or just luck that day? congrats though!

Branwen - wow good napping! i am so jealous!! napping is still the bain of my existence - all i wan is fo rher to extend the 2nd nap to 2hrs - i don't even care about the 1st nap being 45 min!!.  I am excited about the PPD group - nervous about liv napping at daycare but since it will only be nap 1 i figure they just have to get her to do down and she shoudl do 1 cycle...

Tammy - we have had 1 or 2 nights where Liv suddenly started screaming.  we assumed it was teeth or nightmare but scared the cr@p out of us - we went running to her room and boy did she need some comforting...


Us - yesterday olivia said mamama in the car!! and she is now getting on all fours and rocking so we imagine she will crawl soon - will see.  she is going backwards every time she tries to crawl somewhere - you can see her look right at what she wants and then she just gets further away off the play area and under the furniture etc... She is settling herself to sleep in whatever position she wants now just having trouble if she gets upset ina position or wakes up and thinks she shoudl start crawling / playing (tummy time = playing  :roll: ).  fingers crossed that she starts extending her sleep. the other byproduct of tummy sleep is that she is pooping even more in the cot because belly time always helps move things along  :roll:  i really wish i could control her poop  :lol:

had friends over today and had them take a photo of the 4 of us so will try to get Dh to upload tonight.  about to turn over the computer to him so he can get work done while girls are napping.

PS - all you juss press people - i have finally seen some of your recent posts - great footage / photos.  Julieb - i am so jealous - asher is so far ahead of all the other babies My goodness!!! what a little man!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 25, 2005, 05:00:09 am
You'll never guess where I went tonight!  The Melting Pot!   :D  :D   YUM!  Me & DH were "celebrating" a lousy job offer he turned down (long story).  Just the thing we needed to cheer us up.  And Grandma/Pepe were just tickled pink to babysit.   :lol:   Oh, and I had my first margarita tonight as well!  It was good!

The spit up hasn't been much better.  We have good days and bad.  I guess these last few days have just been bad.  :?   I always get embarrassed though when I'm around non-parents or non-spitters.  They always seem to blurt out something like, "OH!  He puked!" or "He threw up!"  No.  It's not vomit.  It's spit up.  "What's the difference?"  I don't know.  I guess there's none.  It's just a nicer word.  I guess I'm happily in denial and would rather have a baby that spits up a lot than a baby that pukes a lot.   :roll:   :lol:

It's later than I thought, so I'm going to bed.  Will write more tomorrow...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 25, 2005, 13:59:10 pm
Deb,  I extended Emily's second A time to 3.5 hours to extend nap 2 and we don't catnap.  Also, even if she doesn't sleep a full 1.5 hrs at least the earliest she wakes is around 3:00 so we don't have that long to go till bedtime.

Branwen, that's HUGE progress with the naps yesterday.  I hope Eirwen keeps it up for you :D

JulieB, I'm glad you had a nice night out!  I'm really looking forward to going out for our anniversary in a month.

Us, our little dog has an infection on her bum.  So we cleaned her up and put a diaper on her to keep her clean.  Now I'm changing two babies!

Have a good day everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 25, 2005, 18:35:35 pm
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how do you manage to take part in these researches. Would love to hear about that!
The research is done by one of the authors of "baby sense" http://www.babysense.co.za - she is Occupational Therapist - and so am I!! and I happen to have a baby who is a little "spirited". So went to listen to a talk on fussy baby's and sleeping and she mentioned the research into new products and so I volunteerd.
So far - The weighted blankie has really helped with "winding down" Has helped to extend 45min a few times (not significantly though!!) and seem to help her stay in a deeper sleep at night. Will have to wait and see what happened with the other moms trialing. Will keep you posted.
BEAUTFULL pictures!! She is SOOOO cute :!:  :!:

hwcampbell Don't worry!! I found myself also getting alittle agitated with Lise today. She is into EVERYTHING now she is "lunge" crawling everywhere. I cannot put anything down or she will get to it. I find it very hard because I know she does not understand NO and now try with a "cross voice" but I don't know - just get this shocked look when I do this!! and I also feel bad!!

oooh - she is waking up - talk again tomorrow
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 25, 2005, 20:16:00 pm
We have an official army crawler!  :D We're not up on all fours yet, but she sure can army crawl anywhere she wants. Hmm, right now I have her on the floor in the computer room and she has just discovered the tub of wrapping paper under the couch. Oop, and now she just hit her head on the couch, must run!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 26, 2005, 00:39:14 am
Tarri-Sorry about Emily's pinch.  Ouch!   :cry:   But, congrats on the great nap.  Hope she's continuing to do well.
Branwen-Yay!  Good naps.  I bet you both feel better.  Is she continuing on this path to recovery so to speak?
Tammy-I'm with you on blaming everything on the teeth that have yet to appear.  I swear, I think I've blamed them since 4 months!  I just know that's what it has to be.  Is a runny nose, and now diaper rash again, part of teething?  When should I be concerned about a runny nose?
Deb-Aaawwww, you got a mamama!  That's great.  Were you tickled pink?  I'm glad she's figuring out how to sleep in different positions.  Oh, and the sleep times poops drive me bonkers!!!
Julieb-You're going to get us all started on the Melting Pot again.  How great that you got to go out.  Yum!!
Christine-Yay for Leah!  She's going to be off before you know it.  I bet it's too cute.  I laughed about your "oops she hit her head" b/c the other day I was taping Kelsey laughing at the dog.  Next thing you see is her falling backwards and the camera hitting the ground, then her crying, and me consoling her.  I can laugh at it now, watching the sequence.  Real funny was that the camera landed perfectly facing the dog playing as if I meant for it to.
Us-Thanks for the support about losing my cool.  After that, she took a 2 hour nap, and did again this morning.  And...she's waving.  I took the cue from Julie to practice this with her, and she's done it all day.  It's so cute to watch those pudgy fingers open and close.  She's very nondiscriminate with her wave...the truck, a dog, any person that looks at her, the mailbox, etc. 
That's all for tonight, I'm treating myself to icecream after ironing, my least favorite chore of them all.  The only thing I don't mind ironing is wrinkle-resistant clothing!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 26, 2005, 01:16:39 am
Tarri - I've caught Leah's chin on a plastic bib before too, that sucks! Congrats on the naps! I just about busted a gut when I read that you put a diaper on your dog!  :lol:

Branwen -  :D for the great naps! It makes the whole day better, doesn't it?

Tammy- Oh, I've had kids with the hand, foot, mouth disease at school - no good. Glad to know that Ethan's sickness seems to just be a cold, altough that is no fun either! I too feel like I blame everything on teeth, then they just don't seem to come and I wonder what it is if it isn't teeth?!

Deb - Thanks for the link, great stuff! I want a mammama.  :( I say mamama to Leah and she says dadadadada, then DH smirks and laughs! Yay for Olivia on almost crawling. Leah is army crawling, but won't get up on all fours yet. Boy she gets into everything now though!

Julieb - Mmm a margarita!!!! One of those every now and then is great!!!!

Nikki - I emailed the people from Baby Sense and I can order the book and a taglet. I think Leah will love the taglet because she loves tags. Hopefully she will be able to attach to it like a lovie. Too cool about the weighted blanket, let us know how the study goes.

Heather - Congrats on the waving. How cute!!!!! I just love how you explained her doing it with her chubby fingers!  :D Mmm, ice cream. I think I may just go get some myslef too!

Us: For the first time ever, we didn't have a catnap tonight. She finally took a two hour afternoon nap so come catnap time she didn't want to sleep, so I said so be it! She usually takes the cat nap in the stroller, so I laid her down in the stroller and started on my walk but she learned a new trick - how to sit up from laying down, so needless to say I don't think stroller catnaps are going to work anymore. She'd rather sit up and watch the dog.

 :?: Leah has been practicing getting into the sitting position from laying down, so for the past week or so she wakes in the night crying. I go in and she is sitting up crying with her eyes closed.  :? Anyone else had this problem, solutions? I just lay her down, but she sits right back up and cries.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 26, 2005, 01:20:23 am
Vidya - those pictures are gorgeous!!!  loved them!  and a mama!  you must be thrilled about that!

Heather - i know all too well how you feel.   :oops:  glad you're feeling better now.  waving just looks so cute, doesn't it?

Tammy - glad Ethan seems to be okay so far! 

Debra - you got a mama too!!  oh i am so jealous of all of you!  :oops:  if you find a solution about pooping in the crib, let me know.  oh, and forgot to mention it earlier - i am totally jealous of all the awesome programs australia has.  that sleep facility, the playgroup organizers, the PPD support group.  wow.  probably great maternity leave too, huh?  glad you're able to take advantage of it all!

Julieb - mmmm.... melting pot....

Tarri - LOL about the 2 babies!!! 

Christine - crawling!!  look out now!!!   :D

Us - we were eating dinner tonight and it hit me that dh & i are no longer the goofy kids.  we have the goofy kids.  jaina was singing to her food and luke was doing some weird airplane move in his seat and through it all we're trying to hold a normal conversation.  it is so bizarre to wrap my mind around the fact that i'm a parent sometimes!  anyone else feel that way?

okay... to you mommies of boys.... have your lo's discovered their 'boy bits' yet?  luke's been flooring me - during his diaper changes his hand has started to snake down there....  :oops:   okay, i KNOW it's normal and i KNOW it's okay, but it just freaks me out that he's not even a year old yet!  i mean, he has plenty of time to acquaint himself with... himself.  i am so not ready for this.   :lol:

Happy Luke thing:  he hugged me!!!!  the last couple of times i've picked him up out of the crib he's snuggled right in and put his arms around me.  awwwwww.....  :D  :D  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 26, 2005, 02:42:46 am
So after my post last night, we headed to bed and Asher woke up crying.  He's been doing this for a week or two where he wakes 1 or 2 hours after he's gone to bed and cries almost inconsolably.  Usually takes about 5 or 10 minutes to get him to stop crying.  We try everything, then he just stops.  Well last night he WOULDN'T stop after trying a million possibilities.  We also have been having problems with the afternoon nap (PU/PD not working as fast as usual or at all!).  So I decided to PU/PD until he stopped.  Well, 30 minutes later, he was still crying hysterically, so I decided to nurse since I figured he prolly worked up an appetite with all that crying.  Not what I wanted to do since I had that margarita a couple hours before.  Hopefully it was absorbed since I wasn't feeling it anymore.   :roll:   He went down fine after I fed him and went back to sleep.

On his afternoon naps, three times this week (not in a row), he woke up early crying.  I try to extend, but he keeps crying.  I even try teething tablets (usually a surefire backup).  So I end up PU/PD once he starts continuously crying.  But it doesn't end.  After I hit the 1.5 hour mark, I just get him up.

I can't figure out why PU/PD isn't working at all.  He doesn't like being picked up (screams harder).  And I wait for him to either sit up or pull up on the side, then lay him back down like the book suggests.  But he just doesn't stop wailing.  He'll pause to yawn though.  :roll:  :lol:   I'm rereading a book I have and considering an earlier betime (even though I think it's pretty early already).

We tried millet yesterday and he didn't like it either.  Personally, I thought it tasted better than the rice.  I think he may have had a reaction to it though, so I'm skipping it for a few days.  So far we are 4/3, sweet's favor.   :roll:

Happy Asher news: His spit up seemed less today!

Christine: YAY for Leah!  Asher did the combat crawl for a month before the traditional style, but I read that the combat style is considered just as legitimate (as is the bum shuffle and other styles!  :lol: ).  We thought Asher would just stick to that so we were surprised when he started getting on all fours.

Jaime:  I believe the book was Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child.  The first two chapters are great.  He has done a lot of sleep research and it's very helpful in UNDERSTANDING naps, nightsleep, and what-not.  But his solutions in the rest of the book heavily favor CIO methods.  I find a lot of his statements and claims contradictory, unsupported, or supported with outdated references.  I took what I could from it and combined it with methods from BW and No Cry Sleep Solution.
And yes, Asher has discovered his bits and pieces.  I think he anticpates it!   :lol:   Puts his hand over his diaper waiting for me to get it off when I put him up on the changing table.  :roll:  I just cheerfully announce the body part, just like I do when he touches other parts of his or my body, "Yes, that's Asher's -----!"  I read that you should treat that area like any other in regard to conversations so you don't risk them becoming obsessed with it or feeling ashamed because "it's something we don't talk about."  Now what floors me still (warning, TMI coming up) is when he grunts as I clean his "little man" or I take off his diaper to discover him saluting me.   :shock:   :oops:  This is one of the many reasons I only wanted girls.   :lol:

Diya: I LOVE your family photos!  They're gorgeous!  The cruising is harder with baby proofing.  I had to clear off all the end tables and such.  I no longer can just "move something out of the way."

Branwen:  Thanks for the concern.  It's "normal" as far as I know acid reflux goes.  I mention it to the pediatrician every time we go.  She's not concerned since he's happy and growing.  That's why we haven't done meds.  It doesn't bother him, just us.   :roll:

Deb: Congratulations Liv!  Aren't their little voices cute?  It's like a sneak peak into the future!  I'll keep my fingers crossed for you on the longer naps and increased mobility.  That's when it clicked for Asher.  It's like he finally tuckered himself out enough to sleep!  I'm with you on the pooping schedule.  He goes like 5-6 times a day!  3 of those are before his morning nap!  :shock:

Heather:  The waving sounds sooooo cute!  You'll have to put a video on jusspress for us!

Re: Milestones & Gross Motor Skills: Please don't feel discouraged about your LOs.  There are only a handful of babies on this thread that are crawling (or WERE as of yesterday!  :lol: ).  Same is true on another list I'm on.  Clearly these early crawlers are the minority and nothing to be worried about in your own.  It will come in time.  Where Asher is ahead in some areas, he falls short in others.  He didn't sit up well (longer than a minute) until he was 7 months old, and that was after a lot of practice on my part!  I know other babies who were sitting well at only 5 mths!  :shock:  I only practice the things he should be doing by now or is behind in.  But how can you teach things like crawling or rolling?  It's not like sitting, walking, or standing, you can't practice and they have to figure it out on their own (if they ever do).  You know the saying, the grass is always greener on the other side?  I greatly envy all of the non-spitter babies.  And honestly, I'd trade all of Asher's mobility if we could be free of spit up.   :roll:  He's the baby God gave me though, so I help him deal with the spit up as best I can and try not to dwell on it.  He'll grow out of it eventually.  And who ever heard of a 5 year old who didn't know how to roll/crawl/walk/stand/sit?   :lol:   All you can do is help them the best you can, the rest is up to them.  It will come, and you'll look back and wonder where your precious little newborn went!  It already goes by so fast, so don't be in too much of a hurry!  :wink:   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 26, 2005, 08:52:17 am
It's been a few days since I last posted.  Seem to have been so busy.  Finally have a chance now to sit down and write. 

Last night was so strange.  Daniel woke nearly every hour from about 10pm til about 3am!  So unlike him we couldn't work out what the heck to do!  I think it was the result of a few things.  We'd had a really busy day - church in the morning, then stayed for a lunch at church, then had some friends round and then gone out to some friends for tea.  Daniel did still have 2 really good naps but I guess he was probably just way too stimulated when it came to bedtime.  I had also decided to wash his lovie (cuddly sheep) after he had fallen asleep.  I hadn't realized he needs it so much to settle himself when he wakes up.  Boy, do I know now though! :lol:   Every time he screamed I would go in and give him another of his cuddly toys to snuggle, but he would throw it down and roll over as if looking for his sheep.  I'm going to have to just search high and low until I can find another identical one to buy so I have a spare.  Otherwise I never have time to wash and dry it before his next sleep comes round.  Oh the fun we have...

Daniel too is waving now.  My sister came round yesterday.  Daniel was just waking up from his nap so I went and brought him down.  As we walked in the room he looked at my sister, stretched out his chubby hand and waved.  Was so unmistakeably a wave.  Sooo sweet.

As far as crawling goes, I'm with you Tarri on this one.  Daniel just doesn't seem interested!  I actually think he could do it if he wanted to.  When he's sitting he's not really bothered about moving.  He's just quite happy to sit and play for a good half hour or so.  When I put him on his tummy he just rolls straight over onto his back.  He's getting so good at rolling so I'm not worried.  He made it from one side of the room to the other yesterday by just rolling.  He always seems to have a skill but take a while to realise it!  He was the same with holding his head, sitting and, more recently, standing with support.  He kind of like struggles and then all of a sudden just does it as if he suddenly realises it's possible.  It wouldn't surprise me if I just walk in one day and he's walking round the room :lol:   (maybe not!)

Jaime - I know what you mean about suddenly it hitting that you're a mum!  I am always saying this to my dh -'Phil, can you believe Daniel's actually our son?' It feels sometimes like we're baby sitting.  Then when he gets cranky reality hits when there's noone to hand him back to :shock:
Daniel has also found his 'little man' (love that phrase! - thanks Julieb).  It doesn't bother me at all.  I just see it as he's exploring another toy!  It's no different to him than when he found he had hands and then feet.  Can't say he's 'saluted' me yet though :lol:  :lol:

Christine - So sorry to hear about the accident.  Can't imagine how shaken up you must feel (and Leah also).  I get shaken up enough when it's just something I hear on the news.  To actually know the girls and for it to be part of your community it must be terrible.  We're praying for you though and trust that thte other girl is going to pull through ok.

Julieb - Sorry that you had a difficult night.  It's weird isn't it when you just can't figure out what the problem could be.   :?   I always remind myself that babies are just little people.  I know sometimes I feel really down but when dh asks me what's up I can't really tell him coz I can't put my finger on it.  Or other times I feel really tired but can't sleep.  Or really restless and can't settle.  Our little babies get just the same way and can't tell us what's wrong.  At least it's only now and again.  I'd say it's worth a try playing with his bedtime.  We played with Daniel's (made it half hour later) and it's brought wake up time from 5.30 to closer to 6.45 now. :D

As for teething - Daniel  has had 2 teeth coming through for about 2 weeks now.  The others have all taken a while to pop through but once they actually appeared they came through in a few days.  These 2 (top front) popped through about 2 weeks ago and have barely moved since!  I think they are still causing him pain so I want them to hurry up.  Otherwise he'll be getting his next ones through before these 2 have finished.  (He seems to be in a hurry to get his teeth - no doubt wants to tuck into a steak asap!!!)

Must go and do some ironing now whilst Dj sleeps.

Happy day / night to you all.

Hazel

PS Diya - the photos are BEAUTIFUL.  Such a GORGEOUS baby.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 26, 2005, 12:30:06 pm
JulieB- thanks for your posting about milestones.  I know it is okay, it is just "they" make a big deal of IQ with crawling, etc, and hitting these marks.  Eirwen seems to learn something- then forget. :? It is also that every time I talk to my mom, or someone else, they ask- what is she doing now? isn't she crawling yet? and so forth.  It makes me so frustrated...and then I spend the whole A time "encouraging her" which is just stupid I know.  I know sometimes I have to remind myself that my little one is a human being and comes with all the inconsistencies of an adult one, she is unique- and not a project- but it is so hard being the reader that I am! 

Also- I really think it is great you don't want to put Asher on meds...and I was serious about the "best mom ever" comment.  I'm not sure I would have the paitence for it.  Is it separation anxiety?  Does he wake up and miss you but knows he's tired?  I'm having the same problems with PU/PD and have thrown in the towel a few times, but I have renewed confidence after success over the weekend.

 :?: do you give finger foods before spoon or after or all at once?  Eirwen and I are having coordination problems- as in she reaches for her puff and here I come with the spoon...probably my fault. :wink:

Happy Eirwen News- I think I said before that she army crawled on her belly yesterday!!! Only a few inches but it was something!  I got a picture of it too!  Grobag is a miracle. I put her in it yesterday morning and she took a 2 hr nap and actually woke up happy!  it's been over a month since I heard happy baby coo's when waking!!! I almost cried!!!  We also took her to a breakfast buffet with friends and she did so well in public showing off eating her puffs by herself and an entire jar of squash, smiling, babbling.  Who would know she is touchy! HA! 8)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 26, 2005, 15:33:09 pm
Julie, thanks for what you said about milestones.  That was very sweet, and very true.  I think we have to remember that our babies have sooo much to learn and they learn different things at different times.  It's true that one day we'll wish they'd just sit still for a minute!  My 20 mo old nephew was run, run, running all around one day.  He took a fall onto his bottom, and his dad said, "well, that's the longest he's sat all day."  Our babies are healthy, adorable, and well-adjusted, and that's all that really matters.

I was just thinking this morning about possibly needing to wake Kelsey from sleeping 2 hours in the morning nap so that her afternoon nap would be longer.  Then, she woke after 30 minutes and won't go back to sleep.  So much for that.  But, in the event that she resumes a 2 hr am nap, is that what I should do?  I think it was Tarri that went through this.   :?:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 26, 2005, 19:10:53 pm
Thank you all for the compliments. The hard part now for me is to choose only a few of those pics of Diya :wink:  I wanted to share a scary incident which happened yesterday! DH was walking near a doorway while holding Diya and her elbow brushed against it. She started crying real bad and I was wondering why would she cry for such a thing and she usually never cries much for such things. And DH checked for a fracture in the shoulder and hands and elbow. Every time, he moved the elbow she was crying and we thought that it will get better and she'll forget after a nap. She refused to go to sleep and I was holding her with tears rolling down my eyes. DH felt very bad that it happened because of him and she wanted to suck her thumb very badly, but she couldn't move her hands. Finally after 2 hrs, we took her to our ped friend and she asked us to go the ER for an X-ray because she was not sure if it was nursemaid's elbow pain or a fracture. When the X-ray came negative I didn't know what to do only and the ER doc tried to fold her hands and did something when we heard a pop sound. The partial dislocation of her elbow(nursemaid's elbow) was treated thankfully. She started moving her arms again and I realized how much we take for granted of the little things in life like their hand and leg movements! I was just hugging her the whole evening! The doc told us that this could happen again and just asked us to be careful while lifting her(to lift her under the shoulders and not with her hands) She'll grow out of it by 4 years and it is a very common thing among toddlers between 1 and 4 years. I feel so emotional while even typing it. So, please forgive the typos or grammar!
Michelle: How is Kinlagh doing? Didn't hear from you after the choking incident! Hopefully all of you are doing well!

JulieG: You had asked about entertaining the baby in the car. I play with her or give her a couple of her toys so that she could play with it. Every small trip is atleast an hour for us and so we usually have toys. Last weekend, I forgot to take them and had to entertain her with her bottles. Also, try to travel around Matty's naptime!

Christine: Does Leah get up from her back? Diya gets up from her tummy!

Jaime: I can't believe that I am a Mom too. It's funny that I feel am a babysitter too waiting for the Mom! Also, just like Asher, she says Mamamama and not Mama! I'll take anything which I get:)

Julieb: Glad that Asher didn't spit up much y'day! I have the same question as Branwen! Do you feed him finger food separately? Diya is very much interested in finger and table food and she refuses the baby food. Should I start giving her our food? She likes some salt in her food and am scared about her getting any kidney problems!

Branwen: Have you used a halo sleepsack before this? If so, how do you like the grobag in comparison? I want to find out before buying it.

Hazel: Diya sleeps badly if we put her to bed later than usual!

Heather: That is so cute about Kelsey waving. I keep teaching Diya how to wave and she looks at me with a puzzled look! I think you can try waking her up 1.5 hrs after the nap!

Diya just woke up from her 45 min nap:( Will try to read the previous page and answer later!
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 26, 2005, 19:43:41 pm
Vidya Ooh poor baby! My sister (she is 9yrs younger than me) used to get a dislocated shoulder just a easily. I can still remember her crying. (I practised being a mom on her - my mom would put her in the bathroom to CIO and I would fetch her and give my mom a stern talk - I was 9!!!) Don't worry though - she will grow out of it!!
JulieB How nicely put! I wish my "language" was so put together. and I totally agree. I know some people who CONSTANTLY compare our kids - they are all different. Lise is great at gross motor but her fine motor is a little slower - because she is so busy getting around - so at one point it will even out.
It is great that Asher is not on meds for reflux. We had a VERY hard time with Lise - she is not a "spitter" with reflux but has silent reflux ... so she will spit up and swallow it back - causing even more burning and pain. The tipoff to us was the CONSTANT hiccups after meals and later on I could hear the spit up coming up - she has a kind of moaning sound she makes. so we are still on Losec - no Gaviscon - Anti reflux formula. We did try to stop the Losec with disasterous effects. Will try again at 7mths.
Jaime I have - ooh my goodness - moments to! Saturday my dh and I had turns for sunday afternoon sleep (for US!!) I woke up after an hour and half and thought - ooh I miss this! but then dd came in and all was worth it!
Chrsitine I hope you enjoy the book - the first part goes into some detail on sensory issues and then the latter part is more on the spesific age groups. TODDLER SENSE has just been released but I haven't read it yet - still to much I don't know of babies!!! Lise has 2 taglets - I usually have it handy as a sleep cue - when she gets it it is time to start calming down and seem to work well. There is a scratchy label sewn onto the taglet but I just used a small scissor and cut it off.
Cannot help with the sitting up - we are still at the turning issues - so hoping we will get that worked out before she starts sitting up in bed!!
Us We are starting swimming tomorrow ... ooh I have to wear swimwear!! ooh goodness me. Am looking forward to it - If bathing is an indication that she might like water - swimming will be LOTS of fun!!
Also I have decided to try Wake to sleep tonight to try and get past the 5:10 am wake up - so please think of us

Finger foods I am hoping you all can post what you lo is eating as finger foods?
I would appretiate some guidance in this matter - we don't have such a big selection of baby foods so - Veggie puffs?? etc - we don't have!
Well goodnight
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 26, 2005, 20:01:42 pm
Nikki - finger foods we have tried are: cheerios, rusks, peas, bread, chunks of banana, peach, pear and apple (all very ripe and soft). Oh and bread sticks.

Have fun swimming.  I was thinking of going tomorrow too. The thought of getting into a swimming costume always puts me off. :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 26, 2005, 20:35:57 pm
Hello again!  I'll try to keep up now that things are starting to get back to normal in our lives.

Everyone - Too many achievements to mention.  Congrats to all the new wavers, dancers, rollers, sleepers, crawlers, talkers....  What a busy bunch we have!

Hazel - Welcome to the group!  Love the camping pics and 8 teeth!  WOW!  And I too am a fan of the chubby cheeks and thighs.  As has been said in the past, it's hard not to just take a bite right out of them!!!

Joanne - A welcome to you too!  As for what my parents think of my BW ways, they think I'm doing a great job and tell me that all the time.  So nice to have their support.  I don't think they're real surprised that we're on such a tight routine as I'm just that kind of person and just loved Tracy's methods as soon as I read them.

Christine - Had our 2nd attempt at chicken this week and it did go better than the first attempt.  Kinlagh didn't gag quite as much, and did eat a couple of spoonfuls.  Hang in there!

JulieB - Oh the milestones for Asher.  Way to go!!!  Good luck with the birth announcments - although by now you may already have them out.  Congrats!  I cheated and had my parents create them and send them out.  I'm stealing your signature idea - adding the website to mine too.  As for the sores on Asher's thumbs, Kinlagh went through the same thing and just figured it out eventually that "ouch that hurts so I won't do that".  No problems anymore.

Branwen - Glad to hear both you and Eirwen are ok.  What a scare!

Deborah - Love, love, love the cheerios pic.  Maya looks so proud of herself (as she should be)

Happy Kinlagh things:  A pro crawler and today she pulled herself up onto her knees then to standing.  She's loving her new mobility!!!  Although it's a little tougher getting her to sleep cause she's all over her crib now. 

Us - Our weekend away was a mess....a little too much to start writing about.  Plus Kinlagh is waking and I've only gotten to page 61 (still 4 more to reply to).  It's too hard taking time away from you girls.  You're so quick!!!  Gotta run, back soon I hope.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 27, 2005, 01:02:59 am
Hi gang:

I was going to wait to post  until I read everything, but I dont have time. I'm only up to page 62.5 so I'll post now and try to read everything and post again!

We weighed Matty on a home scale and he is between 23.5 and 24 lbs!!!!! I know!  he is a big boy. 

Regarding clothing sizes they just dont make sense.  We have him in a range from 3-6 mos to 2T! Thats how much the clothing manufacturers vary.  the weird thing is they vary within their own lines too.  For example, he usually wears 12-18 month in Carters, but he still fits into his 9 month carters.  I always buy bigger because the clothing shrinks so much.  The other day i ordered 2T jammies  from one manufacturer (that tends to run small) and it is so small it fits my friends baby who is Matty's age and about 18 lbs! So I dont feel at all embarrassed shopping different sizes.

Our news:  MATTY IS CRAWLING!!! Full blown all over the place crawling.  We are very excited.  Now I have to look into finding a play pen bigger than the pak and play. I've been looking at those corales, but then you've got to buy carpeting to go under them - any ideas?

I need to know everyone's favorite music for their babies.  So far we have a wonderful lullabies CD for sleep time, but we keep trying different CD's for kids and are not liking them.   Please list your lo's favorites for us.

Joanne:   Welcome!  How wonderful you were able to have a home birth.  I had a planned C-section cause of a fibroid blocking the way. The good news was that at least I didnt have to labor for hours only to end up with a C-section.  I also worked out about 4 days a week and kept everything toned.  When the doc was cutting me he exclaimed what great abs i have!! LOl, he said it would ahve been great for a vaginal delivery, but it just made it difficult for the C-section.  NOw Im having a heck of a time getting my body back into shape.

Tammy:  We seem to be on similar schedules. Im still mostly keeping the late nap as Matty gets tired.

Nikki: Thanks for the suggestions. I will try the rescue remedy.  I take it myself, dont know why I didnt think of that for Matty.

Deborah:  Great picture. Thanks for the travel tips.  Are you in Florida too?

Jaime:  We are thinking of getting a small condo in Orlando in order to have someplace to evacuate to in summers, then we can rent it out in winter. Any ideas on a good location?

Hazel: as I said before, Matty is almost 24 lbs!  He is pretty tall and solid too and has big chubby thighs, which I'm rather fond of.  we like him just fine at his weight, although he does get heavy to carry around!  As a matter of fact, Im afraid he is going to have outgrown his exersaucer soon (he is standing tall in it) and then what will I do!!!

Branwen, Eirwin is not fat, she is beautiful.  People really are strange with all their opinions.  And Im so glad she is alright. That fall must have been so scary.  The lady I almost hired who had BW training told me that P/U is the way to go now, so you are doing the right thing.  GOOD LUCK and hugs.

Thitz:  Thanks for the car advice and the senior comment.  As a matter of fact thanks to everyone who said I wasnt a senior.  I am really fine with my age but this board tends to be particularly young, so I am senior here, and thats okay, you all are such wonderful support!   :lol:

Christine: How is it going balancing work and baby?  Im only part time but I still have trouble.  Last week we had a training all week and I was sooooooooooo tired!  Glad I only have to be in the office two long days a week.

I hope I havent forgotten anyone.  I will be trying to catch up more on the posts.

Hugs to everyone and if you are having a hard day, remember we all are with you and hang in there.

JulieG - Senior Mommy
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 27, 2005, 04:07:47 am
Asher woke up at 5:40 this morning!   :shock:   I tried changing and feeding him, but he wasn't having it.  Then had DH give it a go.  He even tried rocking him!  Then I had him bring him into bed so I could feed the other side.  But of course, that was far too fascinating so he was up for the day.   :roll:   Then he took a not-so-great morning nap and a terrible afternoon nap.  He was down for the night at 6:00!  :shock:   Guess we'll give that earlier bedtime a go sooner than later!  :lol:   What's weird is it doesn't seem like separation anxiety.  Maybe teeth, but the remedies don't work at all (and I see/feel absolutely nothing in his mouth).   :?

Branwen:  Thanks, you're just too kind!  You know, a couple people told me that they took crawling out of some of the books.  Some no longer consider it a milestone since so many babies go straight to walking!
I feed finger foods first since this is what I've read.  Then when he appears to be loosing interest or frustrated, I spoon feed.  He may grab a few more chunks here and there though.  Or I pick them up and give them off my finger.  We dodge around as well.  I usually wait for him to look up and notice me waiting with a spoon, then he'll open his mouth.

Heather:  I noticed on days Asher goes longer than 2 hours in the morning, he takes a short afternoon nap.  However, he rarely goes past 1.5 hrs in the morning anymore.

Vidya:  I'm so glad you figured out what was wrong with Diya!  A lot of babies start refusing baby food at this point.  Try chunkier kinds or making your own.  Or just start mashing up some of your food! 

Nikki:  Yes, that does sound painful!  It bothered Asher until he was about 4 months.  We tried a bunch of stuff to improve it, then finally decided to visit a pediatric gastro... to explore our options.  But they had an 8 week waiting period!  We started to see a naturopathic doctor instead (which didn't help), but ended up letting it go when he no longer seemed like he was in pain.   :roll:   So who knows?  DH takes meds for acid reflux as well
Since Asher doesn't eat many foods yet, we just use soft and ripe foods of what he does.  Ripe banana and pear chunks, peas, and cooked cold sweet potato chunks.  We've also tried avocado and rice balls, but he doesn't like those foods alone.

JulieG: We love Disney so we have several Disney Classics CDs as well as ABC's by They Might Be Giants, Muppet Show's Greatest Hits, various Animaniacs, Veggie Tales, and Laurie Berkner (kinda folksy kids songs).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 27, 2005, 13:23:11 pm
Hi everyone- I need to vent.  Our non day naps are now affecting our nights.  Yesterday sucked so much :cry: we had a 4am start of day and then she would not take her afternoon nap and there was a house showing so I had to be gone until 5 so she was awake 4+ hours and crying so much in the car.  Then after a 6pm bedtime she woke at 8:30pm- I did PU/PD until 9 and then because I had taken a sleep aid my dh took over but at 11pm I was still awake because she was still crying. The thing is my dh abandons the method for rocking, then he took her out of the sleep bag, then he wanted my help for giving her motrin, etc.  Then when we finally got her to sleep he comes complaining to me how PU/PD doesn't work and that I keep changing everything on him.

First- I'm trying to get her off the motrin.  It has been too long with that.  She didn't get any yesterday until after that 2 hrs of dh AP'ing it.  Please tell me I'm doing the right thing by stopping the motrin!  I mean it has been 2 weeks or more now...I just feel like I can't keep giving it to her.

Second- after a post elsewhere I think I need to adjust her schedule to improve her naps.  I have also decided that I must end her early bedtime, or move it by at least a 1/2 hr.  It just isn't working...I mean I do everything from her morning wake up to the entire bedtime routine and I really need some help.  Part of why my dh is so unhelpful is because he is never here.   This is what I amtrying to do.  One of the moderators told me I need to stick to an introduction method- as in by the clock to create 2 hr naps with PU/PD.  So I guess I am going to go to the set nap route although very nervous- this is what I came up with?

6:30 wake up bf
7:45 breakfast
8:15 1st nap 2 hrs
10:30 bf
11:30 lunch
12:15 2nd nap 2 hrs
2:30 bf
4:00 cat nap if needed
5:00 dinner
5:30 storytime
5:45 bath
6:00 bf and asleep by 6:30

Third- I am trying so hard to introduce the grobag because it is getting colder here and I am afraid of fleece for various reasons but I am worrying that she hates it now after initial success :( I think she misses playing with her feet, rocking with them side-to-side.  I hope she will adjust and find another game to settle herself back when she wakes but when I put her in her crib in it she kicks up her feet looking for them?  what to do?

 :?: are babies core temps higher than ours?  what temps do they prefer?  could she be too hot in the bag?

Fourth- she has started falling asleep while nursing because she is so overtired from not napping...and now cries again when I remove her from the breast....

Oh, I so feel like I felt at the 4 month mark!

 :?: Is there an 8 month growth spurt?

 :?: will she ever grow out of the noise thing!  My dh is an engineer and he built me a baby sleep cycle timer, with red, yellow, green lights for when she is in different periods plus alternating deep light cycles.  It is crazy because she sometimes stirs or wakes during the red.  I love my baby timer but sometimes I find this so ridiculous!  I even shut one of my very loud cats in the back room because she seems to sleep so much lighter now and he wakes her :(
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 27, 2005, 13:37:59 pm
OK - here I am to reply to pages 62-66.  Pfew!

JulieB - Hope Asher's naps and spit up issues are improving.  It's tough with all this extra mobility isn't it?   Is Asher choking more now too?  I find Kinlagh often chokes now - not sure if it's because of the mobility or the finger foods.  Scary either way.  Way to go Asher on the finger foods.  What a guy!

Deborah - You're probably already gone by now but "have a nice trip"!!!  Kinlagh too has the broken blood vessels on her cheeks.  Is Maya an eczema sufferer?  Kinlagh's dermatologist said babies with sensitive skin are likely to have these but they will fade/disappear as they get older.

Tammy - Hope Ethan is ok. 

Debra - Hope your two are feeling better soon too.  Sounds tiring!   Could Olivia's early waking be due to her cold?  Maybe it'll sort itself out when that passes?  Way to go on the PPD group.  That should be a big help for you.  I am truly so happy for you.

Christine - So sorry to hear about the accident.  What a terrible thing.  Young lives are so precious as we all know even more now as mothers.

Tarri - My nephew didn't start crawling until 10 mos +.  So not to worry, all in due time.  She's probably just working on something else right now.  And when the milestones start, they just don't stop - just ask ASHER!!!!

Jaime -
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separation anxiety - comes and goes around here.... thankfully right now it's going.
  Ditto!!!!

Chubby babies - I find it funny when people comment how big Kinlagh is and then they feel bad so start back peddling by saying things like "but she looks so healthy like that" or "she'll thin out once she starts crawling, walking".  Funny, but I really don't mind her being a big girl.  Plus her chances of being tiny are slim to none, since her parents are 5'10" and 6'4" !!!!

Walkers - For those of you that mentioned your lo's are using walkers, pardon my ignorance but what are walkers?  I do know of something that we used to call walkers, but those are "illegal" now and aren't sold anywhere as far as I know.  (I'm living proof, fell down the stairs in a walker at 2 years old - Yikes!!)

Clothing size - Kinlagh is all over the map too.  She's still wearing 2 pairs of pants that are 3 mos.  They're really short on her, but have a great waistband.  I find alot of pants have really tight waist bands on them so Kinlagh ususally has to wear bigger ones (18 mos +) then we'll roll them up if too long.  So yes, we have 3 mos up to about 18 mos in her current wardrobe.  I haven't even bought anything for winter yet, cause I have no idea what size she'll be in 2-3 months. 

US - Kinlagh just hasn't been the same since we got back from our trip.  Had a couple of wakeful nights and limited naps with her at the hotel.  She now wakes 2-3 times in the night crying, but never long or bad enough for us to go in.  Just very unlike her.  Hope this settles soon.  We're working on the clapping and waving like the rest of you.  She's able to bang cups together and she has waved at herself a few times (with her little pudgy fingers - too cute!)  I think Kinlagh officially has her first word.  She's a pro at saying Mama.  And she yells it when I leave the room to get me to come back.  Or she's said mama when reaching out to me when in DH's arms.  So yes, I think that makes it official that mama equals me!  Really could bring a tear to my eye!  Question - does any of your lo's hiccup when they giggle?  When Kinlagh really starts to giggle, she'll always hiccup. 

DH and I went to a wine-tasting this weekend and oh boy, I forgot that I'm not the same person I was before Kinlagh.  I had the worst hangover on Sunday.  Thank goodness DH is so great with Kinlagh (and doesn't get hungover) so he did it ALL on Sunday.  I think I fed her once.  Plus she had a nap with me on the couch cause she started pulling up in her crib and we hadn't yet lowered it.  Too scary to put her in there until we lowered it that afternoon. 

Darn, Kinlagh is waking and I've only made it to page 64.  Still a couple to go!  Will try during nap #2.  See you later.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 27, 2005, 17:09:46 pm
Vidya - What BEAUTIFUL pictures.  Love the family ones, but the ones of Diya are amazing.  What a gorgeous girl!  And sorry to hear about your scare.  But thanks for posting as it's a reminder to all of us to be careful when handling our little ones.  Hope Diya's doing better.  Thanks also for your concern for us.  Kinlagh's choking was a sign for us to stay home which I didn't listen to.  I still haven't posted about the weekend cause it was just too crazy.  But if anything, it did help with the separation and starnger anxiety that was happening lately.  She was babysat by friends for 10 minutes here and there in their room while I showered in mine, etc and she was fine with them.  Very nice to see.  And Kinlagh did very well in the car (2.5 hour trip).  We cheated and brought a DVD which she watched when she got fussy on the ride up.  But whatever works I say!

Branwen - Way to go on the recent naps Eirwen.  You be good for your mama Eirwen!!  Oops, just read that you had a bad night and so far today.  I find it tough with my DH sometimes too.  He gets really frustrated cause he's trying to do it "my" way, but he finds then when he just gets the confidence to do it "his" way, he's much better off.   So maybe when dh is in charge, just let him try whatever works for him and you focus on trying to get your sleep!!  I must say that dh has recommended Ferberizing Kinlagh twice so far when pu/pd isn't working and it's worked both times.  I think she was getting too used to mommy rescuing her and she needed to be reminded how to fall asleep independently.  As for the motrin break, I say GO FOR IT!  I use it for a day or two only for teething and I'd say 2 weeks is a little long.  So take a break and see how it goes.  A couple of comments on your EASY routine.  I found splitting my bottle and solids very tough as it took up my whole day.  By having them within a 1/2 hour of each other, there's alot more breaktime for you and fore Eirwen.  My second thought is the 2nd A time would be only 2 hours if she has the 2 hour nap you're planning.  That seems a little short to me - but you know your girl best.  Kinlagh can ususally stay up 2.5-3 hours during her 2nd A time.  Just take a breather, stop reading if you can, and just trust your judgement as a mommy.  You're doing a great job and Eirwen is just going through a transition.  The best advice I received in the early weeks was to stop reading all my books and just trust myself.  I have never looked back since and Kinlagh I think is a pretty happy baby.  Good luck with everything and you'll always have US!!!

Tammy - Pfew that Ethan is virus free so far.  Keeping our fingers crossed for you.

Debra - Wow, you have some mama sounds.  Yay!!  And sounds like crawling is not too far away.

Nikki - Sorry if you've already explained it, but what is a weighted blanket?  What's the purpose?  And as for starting the "NO" with Lise, I'd go for it.  It's already working with Kinlagh after only a couple of days trying.  She only cried once but that was cause both DH and I yelled NO at the same time which startled her.  But otherwise, it's kept her away from one plant stand and our heaters.  (training for the winter months when they'll be hot hot hot!!!)  Finger foods - we don't have veggie puffs either (or at least I haven't found them yet) so Kinlagh is eating Arrowroot cookies, pieces of toast, pears and peaches so far.  Tried cheerios once but didn't go well - too long to soften.

JulieB - The Melting Pot?  You lucky girl.  Although I still have never been to one (maybe in November), I keep hearing the best things about it.  And a spit up is more of a dribble, where puke/vomit is more of a projectile thing.  So yes, we all prefer spit up!!!!  And hope you get that nap/bedtime thing worked out.  They're such a mystery and they just keep changing!!!  And funny "little man" stories.  I am happy with my little girl.  Although she's often reaching down there when i do diaper changes too.

Heather - I laughed at your camera dropping story.  We think we're so smart getting the fancy stuff on video, until, oops!!!! :shock:  :shock:

Christine - Yay to no more catnaps.  Good for little Leah!   

Jaime - I always step back and can't believe I'm a mom.  It's so strange cause I really don't think of myslef any different then 2 years ago when it was just us.  Very bizarre, overwhelming and yet wonderful feeling.

Mommy vent - I'm on my own for 5 days and am dreading it (DH will be away til Sunday).  I've been needing some mommy time as of late and I'm sure this will put me over the edge.  I just hate how DH appreciates every little thing like Kinlagh's fingerprints on the mirror when all I see is another little mess to clean.  Just wish I could have 1 or 2 days to miss her.  And as others have said before, don't get me wrong, I adore my little angel, but I just would like a little break.  KWIM?

YAY, I made it to page 66!!!  Now that I"m caught up, I'll have to stay on top of things.  Take care ladies.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 27, 2005, 17:11:34 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
  Funny, but I really don't mind her being a big girl.  Plus her chances of being tiny are slim to none, since her parents are 5'10" and 6'4" !!!!

I here ya! 5'9 and 6'4 here too. But sometimes I think people think Leah is so big partially becuase her head is so big! She'll grow into it!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: diyasmom on September 27, 2005, 17:20:40 pm
Hi everyone!
Diya is doing great! Thanks for all the kind words! We are having a nightwaking or rather early morning waking these days at 5'o clock. She takes a long full feed and goes back to sleep immediately. It doesn't happen everyday and only on the days when she didn't take enough solids or missed a BF session. I am so clueless about this! I don't know how to add a session when she refuses or make her eat solids when she refuses to open her mouth!
Branwen: Sorry about the rough time you are going through! Husbands only want our help in the end when they have pretty much done everything wrong and then they blame us! Your DH does exactly like my DH!I exactly know how you feel because I have been there and am there every now and then:) Only thing which I noticed about your routine is you have assumed that she will take a catnap after two 2hr naps and 12hr night sleep. Every baby is different but according to the sticky on sleep if I remember right is, 11 hrs for nighttime and 2 1.5 hr naps and a 30 min catnap. So, try to increase her A time or assume that she will take a shorter nap like 1.5 hrs. Diya is like Eirwen about not handling a long A time. Her A time is 1 hr 45 mins after wake up and 2 hr  to 2hr and 15 mins for the other ones. I have given up a routine at this point. Therefore I am not the best person to comment but it makes my day a lot easier when I don't stress about the exact routine. This is what I do these days! I try to make sure that she atleast takes a 45 min nap and go from there because she can't handle a no nap at all! I try to keep the E according to the routine and after every nap of hers, keep the A time like I mentioned and tweak it accordingly.
Stop giving the motrin! If you don't feel it is right, that's the way to go! I don't believe in giving them too much medicine also and especially if it is not helping. Teething is such a pain for them and us! I remember holding Diya all the time while she was teething and I used to hold her teething toy for her because she couldn't even put it in her mouth when she was only 4 months old! So hang in there! Try some frozen washcloths when she is awake and try PU/PD when she wakes up in the middle of her nap. PU/PD never worked for me though!
IF you think that she is too hot, touch her tummy and check if it is hot and also her ears! I remeber reading somewhere that if those parts are hot or cold, then that is how they feel! I put some thick clothes and then the sleepsack when it is too cold! Also, we keep the house really warm in winter about 74-76 degrees. She will certainly get used to the sleep sack. Give her some time and see what happens.
I have heard  about a 9 month growth spurt! I will write again after feeding diya. Right now, she is hungry and crying
Sorry about the long post
Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 27, 2005, 20:10:33 pm
Vidya - I hear you about trying to "go with the flow" so to speak in regards to their routine.  It's so hard sometimes, but I think we all sometimes have to step back and take a deep breath!

Michelle - I understand about having all the mommy time in the world.  My dh usually is traveling at least Monday thru Thursday evening, so I have the week just Ethan and I.  But he started a new job a few weeks ago, and hasn't started traveling yet, so he's been home.  That's another vent... :roll:  :wink:

Branwen - my sympathies on Eirwen's trials.  I am right there with you, babe!  I think our schedule is currently getting some tweaking - Ethan style!  Not the kind I prefer!

Julie - sounds like Asher is tweaking up his own schedule too, at least one day at a time!  I think all our little ones are trying to trip us up right about now!

Us - well, good news is that Ethan never developed hand, foot and mouth.  And he is finally over his cold.   :D  Other news is that I think he's finally gotten into the actual teething, at least I hope.   :roll:  :?  He has a constant runny nose the past few days (and it's not from his cold anymore), runs a slight fever sometimes, gnaws on everything in sight, sometimes cries when it's time to eat... I hope this is teething.  It's very hard for me to see or feel anything at this point, as he screams bloody murder every time I try to feel for teeth.   :cry:

He has also taken to waking up during the night, usually just once a night.  I usually df him around 10 pm, the past two nights he's woken up screaming anywhere between 9 and 9:45.  Then, he's woken up screaming at 1:30 Sunday night, and on Saturday night at 3:30.  Not sure what is up with this.  Sunday night I calmed him down and rocked him for a few minutes, then put him in his crib, and patted his back for a couple of minutes while he was settling.  Do you guys think this is okay?  I don't want to get in a bad habit here - but I don't really know what else to do.  Rocking calms him (he's not falling asleep when I do that, just calming down from full-on screaming).  I tried multiple times to put him in his crib and leave, but he'd start the scream.  Finally the last time I put him down, he cried a bit, but I just put my hand on his back, and he settled after a couple of minutes.  Then he slept the rest of the night.

I know that I should trust my instincts about what to do for him, but I'm paranoid due to reading so much about accidental parenting, that I don't want to get stuck in that rut!  So, any suggestions or advice would be welcome regarding these nightwakings.  Not sure if it is teeth, separation anxiety, or what.  BTW, he's eating plenty during the day, so he's not hungry at these times.

Geez, didn't mean for this to be so long.  Sorry bout that!   :oops:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on September 27, 2005, 21:27:12 pm
Hi there

am capped and checking in from a friends place. impossible for me to keep up with you ladies! will speak on 1st October when i'm uncapped! :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 27, 2005, 21:46:57 pm
Tammy - Definitely sounds like teething to me.  Good luck!!!

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Sunday night I calmed him down and rocked him for a few minutes, then put him in his crib, and patted his back for a couple of minutes while he was settling. Do you guys think this is okay?
  Sounds perfect to me.  I would just make sure that before going in, that he can't settle himself.  I think that's where accidental parenting would come in.  (if you rush to settle him before he tries to settle himself)  If he can't then that I would say what you're doing is an equivilant of pu/pd then pat/shh.  I'm no pro, but that's more or less what I do when Kinlagh is crazy and won't go to sleep for naps/bed, etc.

Hi Schae - Looking forward to hearing from you.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 27, 2005, 21:47:25 pm
Schae - i am with you - we have reached our broadband limit but instead of capping, our plan slows us down to almost dial up speed (or worse i think) - i can read a bit but am limiting my time on the site until the 1st

will try to write at naptime this midday
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 27, 2005, 23:35:57 pm
Vidya-so sorry about Diya's arm.  I'm glad that she's okay and that you are now aware of something to watch for. 

Nikki-swimming, how fun!  I plan to take Kelsey to a pool next summer.  How's wake to sleep going?

Michelle-so good to hear from you.  Crawling and pulling up, yay!

JulieG-yay for crawling.

JulieB-sorry for your rough night and not so good naps.  I can't feel teeth either, but they have to be working their way through.  After I posted about waking earlier from morning nap, she hasn't done it since, but that's another issue I'll write about in a minute.

Branwen-oh, dear.  I'm so sorry for your hard times.  I'm with you on the Motrin.  After a week or so or 2 doses a day, I'm stopping because the teeth have not appeared, and I plan to only give it for real bad pain, or as best I can tell.  I'm using the teething tablets, and they do help.  As for your schedule, just do your best.  It's not going to be perfect, it isn't for any of us.  You know Eirwen better than anyone, and you know what will work for her.  All you can do is try, nothing is set in stone.  And we tip-toe around Kelsey's naps and night sleep.  I'm not sure to what extreme we really need to go to, but I'm not taking any chances.  Her sleep is too precious to all of us.  People say to go on about life so that they get used to noise, but that doesn't always work, especially for touchy babies.

Michelle-you probably are thinking of the same walker.  I don't know that they are "illegal", but possibly not highly recommended anymore.  They are extremely dangerous in a home with stairs.  I use mine in the kitchen so that I don't have to move the exersaucer from room to room all the time when I need a place to put her.  I bought mine at Babies R Us, and I've seen them many places.  In fact, most exersaucers convert into a walker.   And how sweet that she's saying "mama".  It must really melt your heart.  I totally empathize about being on your own.  5 out of 7 days I have Kelsey by myself (he leaves before awake, home after bedtime).  The days he's off I feel like are days for me to have a bit of a break, but it's also his time for resting.  We try to take turns on those days and get things done independently, and then he can have time with Kelsey.

Tammy-I'm with you about worrying about accidental parenting.  Kelsey had an extremely off night last night.  Her nose is running and so stopped up, that it woke her an hour after going to bed.  Of course, this never happens, and caught us totally off guard.  She was so hysterical, and having to suction her nose made it worse.  I had to keep rocking her to calm her down, but as soon as I put her back down, she'd scream, making the snot situation all the worse.  I spent 2 hours doing this, with one 10 minute break of taking her out of the room.  Dh thought we should take turns holding her all night.   :shock:   I knew that would never work.  She'd never sleep.  So, after 2 hours, I put her down to take a break.  Well, lo and behold, after about 10 minutes of decelarated crying, she fell right asleep and slept all night.  I'm sure I should have given her that chance long before I did, but I was so concerned about her stuffy nose that I second-guessed myself.  The ped ok'd Pediacare, so she's had 2 doses of that.  I'm just praying for a restful night tonight.  I feel so bad for her.  I realize that many of you are suffering much worse circumstances than this right now, and I pray for you and your babies.  I guess I'm used to the whining all day and irregular naps, but I haven't had to deal with off nights yet.  I just got so worked up by being afraid that this would change her nights for good.  This is truly the hardest job in the world.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 28, 2005, 00:46:39 am
Sending Good Sleep Vibes your way Heather!!!!! Hmm, maybe you could send some right back at me too!  :wink:

I agree with Heather, this is the hardest job on earth, but I believe that all of us are doing the best we can. I'm so proud of everyone! Remember when we started this link and the babies were only about 4 months old? Now we are working on 8- 9 months!!!!! I'm so glad you started this thread Deb. I feel like I have a whole new family! Hmm, getting a little emotional (it's my time of the month!  8) ) Take care all! Will post when I have more time. School is insane right now!

**We had the funeral for the one 17 year old girl that died today. The other girl is still critical, but looks like she will pull through.  :D **
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 28, 2005, 01:24:16 am
We need a sleep emoticon!

SLEEP VIBES!  SLEEP VIBES!  SLEEP VIBES!!  To everyone!!!!!

I agree with Christine, so good to have this thread of friends.   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 28, 2005, 02:45:49 am
Hi all.  Finally caught up with all the posts.  Nice to hear from everyone.  It seems a lot of us here are tall parents.  Im 5'10" and dh is 6'3".  SO the question is for those of you with TALL babies, are your lo's starting to get too tall for the exersaucer?  And if so what are you planning on using? Are the walkers able to accommodate taller babies? Cause so far the ones I've looked at are the same height as the exersaucers.


also, only one person posted favorite music CD's (thank you!).  I really would appreciate it if more of you would let me know favorite CD's for your lo's.

Thanks

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 28, 2005, 05:39:49 am
We had a roller coaster day.  Started at 4:00 when Asher woke crying.  Couldn't figure it out.  DH even tried as I was loosing my patience.  Finally got him back to bed after 45 minutes by nursing.  Then he slept in till 6:45.  :D   We were both SO tired so I took a nap during his morning nap and he slept for TWO hours for the first time in a while!  Things went well until I accidentally made eye contact with him during our wind down for the afternoon nap.  Big mistake!  I engaged him as I was laying him in the crib and he reached up to touch my face.  Started crying as soon as I headed out!  This NEVER happens, he ALWAYS goes down easy.  I tried PU/PD a couple times but I figured starting over would be faster than doing PU/PD, so I re-rocked/sang to him and put him down again.  Thought all was well until he started crying  a mintue after I was out of the room.  So I actually got him completely up, went in the living room for 5 minutes and went through the WHOLE nap routine again (like hitting "restart"  :lol: ), but he cried after I left again!  He was SO tired and my only option left was PU/PD.  We did it for 30 minutes before he finally went to sleep.  :shock:   I thought for sure I'd have to give up (if I hit the 40 minute mark), but it FINALLY worked.  He slept for 1:20 hrs, which is good, but put the afternoon nap way late so I wasn't able to try an early bedtime tonight.  We'll see how the morning goes.

Branwen: Sorry abour your tough day.  I have the same problem with DH and PU/PD, he gives up after 10 minutes or doesn't do it right.  :?  He's so impatient. 
I worried about the sleep sack and his feet with Asher as well, but he still throws his feet into the air and plays with them through the sack.  It doesn't seem to bother or affect him at all. 
I struggle with the temperature as well.  People tell me to go by how you feel or dress one layer warmer than how you feel.  Right now Asher is in a cotton sleeveless sack and a onesie.  Our house is about 73-77 during various times of the day.  Even at 77, I still like a sheet on me, so I figure he's okay.
I had to laugh about the sleep cycle contraption!  He should patent it!   :lol:   We could have used it when Asher was younger.  Since getting a continuous (and very loud) white noise machine, the outside noise has been rarely a problem for Asher.  Do you use any noise things in her room?  I don't know if they grow out of it, they're touchies.  I'm a light sleeper as well.  :roll:

Michelle:  Asher doesn't seem to choke.  Well, maybe he does but it's not so bad or we're really used to it since he's been such a spitter.  :?:   He handles it remarkably well.  I find no difference in the food consistency or mobility.  I had hoped we would, but we've never been able to figure out any pattern to it at all.  :roll:
We don't have a traditional walker for Asher, but I call this FP push toy he has a "walker".  Not sure what it's supposed to be called.
I have the same problem with waistbands in pants!  Why is that?  It's not like Asher even has a belly either.
Congrats on the mama!

Tammy:  Ethan's night wakings sound just like Asher's and I'm also at a loss!  Sorry I can't help since I need it too!  :roll:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 28, 2005, 13:08:26 pm
Heather - Maybe walkers are only no longer available in Canada.  I haven't seen them anywhere and have heard that they're no longer sold here.  Different countries, different rules I guess.  Hope Kelsey feels better and you have better nights very soon.

Julie - There are a few tall ones aren't there.  Kinlagh doens't have an exersaucer, she has an Intellitainer.  It's a little different in style and she's far from outgrown it.  She's on the 1st height due to move up to the 2nd very soon and there's still a 3rd to go.  So don't know how the exersaucers differ.

JulieB - Kinlagh had a week like that where she cried every time when I was walking out of her room at nap/bedtime (very unlike her).  It was about 2-3 weeks ago now and I attributed it to separation anxiety.  She did get over it and we're back to quiet & happy exits again.  Hang in there!

US - I'm so excited today.  Kinlagh had a couple of short naps yesterday, one of her own doing and the other was cause dh went in to say goodbye (leaving for 5 days so understandable and forgivable).  So decided to get her to bed earlier 6:35 and I think she was asleep by 6:45 - SLEEPY GIRL!  And I didn't hear a peep until 6:45 this am when she started stirring and then started cooing at 7:10am, right on her normal schedule.  What a girl!  Best night sleep in a while. 
And then to top it off, she was in her high chair playing after breakfast while I cleaned up and she dropped her toy.  She looked on the floor where it had fallen, then looked up and yelled a very distinctive "Ma-Ma" while looking at me.  Aaahhhh!!!! 
Now we're off to a "mommy and me" movie for the first time.  Hope she makes me proud. 

Wishing you all a good day with good naps and happy babies!!!  :D  :D  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 28, 2005, 13:55:46 pm
JulieG-I have to admit that we don't play music.  If any, I turn the tv on a music channel and turn off the picture, but it's not children's music.   :oops:   I should really think about that.  It's just that I'm very sensitive to alot of noise, so I try to keep the house quiet when I can. 

JulieB-wow, rough day.  I've also gone through a few nap cycles that nothing seemed to go right.  We're exactly like you on the eye contact.  If she starts to fidgit while going down, I do not look at her, and she'll kick her legs and then turn her head.  Pu/pd is very trying, and I commend you for giving it a go.  Branwen, too.  I think the FP "walker" you have is called a "walk behind" and they are very useful for babies very close to walking independently and even after that.  My 21 mo nephew stills pushes his for play.

Michelle-congrats on the great nights sleep.  Hope things go well while your dh is gone, and hope he's safe in his travels.

Us-I think Kelsey is already improving from her cold or whatever it is.  She slept all night, and seems much better this morning.  After her first dose of Pediacare, the snot seemed to break up and her nose started running, but it's better to get it out.  This might affect naps, but at least she slept last night.  Here's a  :?: :  I assume most lo's are doing this; dropping their toys intentionally like from the highchair.  I understand that this is a way of learning cause/effect, but what are you doing to prevent it from becoming a nuisance?  I just simply hand the toy back without making a fuss.  Is this correct?  I don't want a child that throws her toys around, although I understand that this may be unavoidable.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 28, 2005, 15:55:08 pm
Haven't been around here for a while, the house is on the market, sold after two days, then the deal fell through :( Now we are showing the house again - I'm wiped.

Anyone else's lo decide to stop breastfeeding? Hannah will nurse for five min then wriggle off of my lap to go crawl, or pull herself up on things. She just started the pulling up on chairs, etc, so I'm thinking that she'll be interested in nursing again once the novelty of being mobile wears off. I'm just worried about her not getting enough to eat, though she eats three meals of solids a day, 8 oz of jarred food at each meal, so I know she won't starve :)

Branwen:

I know how it goes with having to show the house and it affecting sleep, and routine! My DH isn't totally on the same page with me as far as settling to sleep as well, he rocks too!! We have dropped Hannah's evening nap now, she wasn't settling at bedtime, I think she was getting too much daytime sleep. Gotta run she's awake now :)

Joanne
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on September 28, 2005, 18:42:42 pm
Christine, I don't know what to do about your sitting dilemna.  It makes me kind of thankful that Emily isn't doing to much physically yet.

Us, well, the dog is out of diapers and is back to her old self again.  Which is really nice cause she really entertains Emily when we play fetch.

We went shopping in Ottawa yeseterday.  And got dh a backpack for Emily to sit in so we can go hiking and me a hip hugger cause I have to hold emily for the last 1/2 hour or so of A time or more in the evening cause of no catnap.  So far I think the hip hugger is okay but I'm not totally sold yet.

Jamie,  that's sooo nice about the hug.  I can't wait till Emily can kiss and hug me back!

JulieB, pu/pd doesn't seem to work too well with Emily either.  Tweaking the routine works best for her.  I find if she's tired enough she'll sleep.    I would try extending Asher's A time before his afternoon nap and hopefully with a better afternoon nap he'll go down easier for bed?  Also, how about adding some more solids before the afternoon nap and bed?  I hope you figure it out soon.

Hazel, Emily is rolling a little bit more but still only 2 or 3 times a day.

Heather, I did experiment with shortening Emily's first nap to lengthen the 2nd nap.  But I don't think it got me anywhere.  The key was extending her A time before the second nap.  At least about 2/3 times she's getting a 1.5 hr second nap now.

Emily's waking I'll reply to more later.  Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 28, 2005, 18:43:47 pm
Hi everyone- I've been writing this all day, responding to everyone- so it is LONG!  sorry in advance!!! :oops:

Music- well I'm currently addicted to a couple of my Tori Amos CD's so that is what we listen to in the car :oops: .  We also listen to the TV music like Heather- various- I think she likes the Soundscapes (new age) and Light Classical the most.  This is our wake up music and then later in the day we listen to the Swing channel and I dance around with her  :D I just got us a CD for the car because I was feeling so guilty playing my music so it has a bunch of kids songs like Old MacDonald, If You're Happy and You Know it, etc.  I think she will like it!  she likes them when I sing them!

Walkers- most of the walkers are now those that the child walks behind and pushes, but unfortunately they do sell the old type of walkers in the US.  I heard there is a lot of controversy over why they are still allowed to make them.  They are the ones with a seat in the middle and 4 rolling wheels that baby can "walk" with.  As Heather mentioned they are supposed to be exteremly dangerous if you have stairs.  My ped told me they also inhibit walking because it doesn't allow the muscles to develop properly because the child is actually sitting in a seat that spreads out the hips. However, I did have a friend that bought one of those though and her son walked fine at 14 months.  I really want to buy something like an exersauscer for Eirwen but she was 28 inches a month ago when I looked and now is 29 inches she is already too tall for most of their height limits- does anyone have one that goes over 29 inches?  I already had to modify her jumper because she was getting too tall for it.

Toys- Eirwen is really unhappy with her toys :-(  I just got her this fisher price spinning top and twirl toy and she loves it!  I am really open to ideas for touchy babies that get easily over stimulated.  Most electronic toys seem to annoy her?

Heather re: throwing toys- I do the three limit rule.  I will pick it up three times and give it back and that is it- then I give her something else.  If she throws what i replaced it with down she doesn't get anymore toys- I am trying to send a message that playtime is over and that mama will play that game a little bit but as you said I don't want to encourage it.  It works for Eirwen- likely because she doesn't want her toys anyway  :?  Oh, I'm glad Kelsey is better with her nose!

Also- I don't give her toys in the high chair anymore.  I give her a spoon or the sippy cup until her food is ready.  I guess I found giving her toys to be really distracting from the eating process.  She would want the toy back etc.

JulieB- Eirwen does the eye contact thing too.  It is so hard to get out of the room sometimes.  I didn't give in and nurse Eirwen last night when she woke at 3:45.  It took me about 15 to get her back with PU/PD.  I was so proud of myself!  I guess I'm telling you that in case you're getting nervous about feeding at all and want to try not "giving in to the boob" as I say :wink:  When I give in and nurse I get so terrified the next day I'm creating habits.  RESTART BUTTON!  I say this too! :D It never works for Eirwen when I try to do that again.  She won't restart :(

What noise machine do you have?  right now we have a fan for Eirwen.  I lectured my dh on the PU/PD and he understands now I think about how I am the one that is with her the most so he gets to do it my way :wink: And about how he can't come get me (esp on Ambien) to try to bail him out. :x

Michelle- yay on the sleep! That is great!  I think you were right about the max time for sleep thing.  Eirwen is now waking up at 4am wide awake!  Has been for the last 2 days.  I think she is just sleeping too much in total- so I'm going to try to put her to bed later tonight.  you so deserve mommy time!  even though they are our angels and such a gift you are still an individual and need that time on your own.  I think there is a balance with that.  Do you have a friend that can come over to spend an evening with you.  even though they don't really "help" when my dh was traveling in Europe on business and I was alone with a 3 month old I just had my girlfriends stop by a couple of times after Eirwen went to sleep.  The company made me feel a little less crazy and I got to spend time with them!

Tammy- I think you're good to go :) , but this is what I say to posters on the sleep board.  Always think about how long you're actually willing to do it and what you will do to undo it with the rocking, etc.  I am saying this esp because we were doing that with Eirwen when this whole teething bit started up 3 weeks ago, and now I am reaching my limit going back to more "hard core" methods.  I was happy I rocked and cuddled and nursed the first week, but I think for next time I will greatly shorten the amount of time I spent consoling because I did end up creating and undoing some things, esp with naps.

Schae- we miss you!  Hope to hear from you soon!

Vidya- you must choose the one on the first page- top right hand corner- my personal favorite- you are all glowing :D  how often does Diya take a nap?  Eirwen's max in the am is about 1.5 now and 2 during the day.  I am trying to relax on the routine but am having a hard mommy time right now and the only thing that makes it somewhat better is getting a break during the day.  Plus when Eirwen is tired and grumpy I tend to be as well! :wink:

Deb- we miss you!  Also- on the very first page of this thread you talk about a special drink you gave Alex for teething? can you tell me more about it? the name?  maybe I can try getting it online?

Joanne- oh the house stuff sucks- I'm sorry your deal fell through. :(   The worst for us right now is when people don't come to the showings they schedule and you get everything so nice and keep your baby up way to long and then NOTHING!  Do you have a notice or are you just letting people come whenever?  Eirwen usually only nurses from one side now- both breasts- just only seems to want one and she is full?  I'm confused by this but hopefully it will even out.  I worry too that she is weaning...

Us-No motrin! YAY!  I think that is going good but my redesign is failing so I'm going to relax, if I can :roll:, and track her for a week and try offering a nap every 2 hrs with trying to get bedtime towards 7pm. Her morning nap was 2.5 hrs yesterday but only 45 min today because of poop! :evil:

Happy Eirwen News- Although she woke screaming at 4 am, this is the first time she reached with her arms stretched out for me to pick her up.  she does this in the carseat but never from the crib.  She was reaching with her whole body shoulder off the matress.  I felt so needed.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 28, 2005, 20:55:17 pm
Branwen:

Yep,house stuff sucks- the house was only on the market for 2 days and after the FIRST showing it was sold, we were shocked. The buyers loved the house,  had a loan approval letter, and the down payment, but there was some other glitch. SO we are back to square one again. We are set up that people have to call before a showing. Last night we had one scheduled for 6pm, and yep, they bailed. We kept Hannah up for NOTHING, and she was wiped. 

Gotta go grocery shopping now, oh JOY!!

Joanne

PS to the rest of you mommies.......I'm trying to learn each of your screen names, and lo's, there are quite a few Jan/Feb babes :)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 28, 2005, 21:36:59 pm
we are with all of you in the goofy nap stage.  seems like i finally get luke going in a rhythm and BAM!!!  short afternoon nap again.   :roll:  i think a lot of it has to do with his frustration at not being able to move.  he just wants to be mobile so badly!! 

i know it's normal for them to start crawling at all different ages, and i think it's genetic to a certain point as well.  dh & i were both late crawlers, so i'm sure that's why jaina was too (at 11 mo!).  but she never seemed to care.  i only feel bad because luke does!  and he's mad that he can't.  oh well.

julieg - we don't really listen to much kids music (i hate listening to kids sing)... the kids listen to whatever dh plays.  typically lots of classic rock, & oldies.  though i will toss on some classical or showtunes every so often to make things interesting.  regarding the condo, i'd invest in one near disney, probably in the kissimmee area, but that's just me.  those i'm sure would be very expensive, but i'd bet they'd be easier to rent to tourists.  it really depends on what you want.  we live on the east side of orlando, so we're closer to the east coast beaches - and there are lots of options over there too.  my parents live on clearwater beach, and their condo has tripled in value since they bought it.  real estate is just soooo expensive right now!!!

julieb -
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We love Disney so we have several Disney Classics CDs as well as ABC's by They Might Be Giants, Muppet Show's Greatest Hits, various Animaniacs, Veggie Tales, and Laurie Berkner (kinda folksy kids songs).
you are a gal after my own heart!  love TMBG and the muppets & veggie tales!!  and i didn't think anyone but me remembered the animaniacs!  (i have their cd's too)
wish i knew what to tell you about the early wakings.  luke seems to be resetting his clock to 6:30 - and it's killing me!  last thing i need is to be getting him up while i'm still getting ready for work.   :roll:  chalking it up to developmental and solids for now... 

michelle - awwww.... mama!!  you must feel so loved!  :D good luck with being on your own - hope everything goes well and you stay sane.  at least you will have full use of your car???  maybe that will help with the cabin fever.

vidya - glad everything seems to be better now

tammy - ethan's nightwakings sound like luke's early nap wakings!  dunno what to do over here either.  have been trying to soothe him in the crib, but most of the time he waits me out until it's time to eat again!   :roll:  and i know he's not waking hungry cause he only barely eats when i do feed him at that time!  maybe this is some weird form of separation anxiety...

schae - look forward to 'seeing' you again!

heather-
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you are so right.

branwen - you get the longest response award!   :D   whew!  i agree about electronic toys being annoying - and that's just how i feel!  luke seems to like things that he can bang against the table best - rings, jaina's kitchen toys, and the like.  he also like just taking things out of buckets.  i have a bunch of weird stuff in a bucket and he'll play happily for a while.

anyhow... guess that's about it.  see ya later!  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 28, 2005, 22:12:57 pm
Well, our day started off really bad.  Won't go into detail, but basically he woke at 5:00 am and after trying various things, I threw in the towel at 6:15.  I was livid and totally lost my cool.  I was stomping around the house and everything.  :roll:  :oops:   I feel better now after some "me time" while DH watched Asher for a little bit before he went to work.  And the rest of the day has gone quite well, though Asher seems unusually mellow.  :?:   Hope it's not in reaction to my temper tantrum/pity party this morning.   :oops:   Looks like he'll be in for a early bedtime though, since the day started so early.  I've been tanking up the solids today too.

Heather:  Asher has just started dropping.  I can see it coming though.  I either don't react and/or leave it on the ground for a few minutes before picking it back up or I take it away just before I think he's gonna try dropping it.

Joanne: They become pretty efficient nursers at this point.  The mobility doesn't help either though.  Oh, and to remember people/posts as you're replying, right click "post reply" in order to "open in a new window" so you can flip flop back and forth as you're reading and replying.  Most of us do that because we all have "mommy brain."  :lol:

Branwen:
  Have you tried basic things for toys like tupperware, link a doos, rock a stack, shape sorters, and stacking cups?  The noise machine is found at Target in the spa section by Homedics.  Here's a link to a similar one.  But mine is white without a clock and only $14.
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=2-1/qid=1127945183/ref=sr_2_1/602-8341898-5459044?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=B000050FF2

Jaime:   :lol:   I hardly had to go shopping for any kids music because I already owned all of this!  I'm such a nerd!   :wink:   Can't WAIT until Asher's old enough to appreciate all of my Animaniacs videos!  Hmmm, think he'd enjoy the sing-a-long video now though!  Maybe I'll break it out this afternoon!   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 28, 2005, 22:19:42 pm
wow, after 2 hours and 15 min, Asher is STILL asleep for his afternoon nap.  :shock:   I just heard him go through a transition on the monitor so I guess he's going for another cycle.  Once upon a time, I'd wake him.  But not now, "never wake a sleeping baby."   :lol:   Oh, the things I'd do different if I could go back.  Whenever I watch old videos of Asher, I cringe at the ones where we're waking him up from a long nap, or letting family wake him at visits.  I've long since learned my lesson!   :wink:   Probably one of the few things I disagree with Tracy on!

 :?:  Hey, that would be a fun thread...if you could do something differently, what would it be?  Or what will you do differently with your next one?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 28, 2005, 22:26:50 pm
Julie wrote:
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Hey, that would be a fun thread...if you could do something differently, what would it be? Or what will you do differently with your next one?
 
Oooo, that's a tough one.  I'd have to think about it cause nothing comes right to mind.  I guess that's a good sign!  Oh wait, I thought of one:  I'd "program" her internal wake clock at 8am instead of 7am.  And this one isn't so much something I could "do" but I wish bf'ing went better for us.  Tough memories in the early months, but we love our bottles now.

Jusspress: I just did some viewing on jusspress and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anyone.  So far, I know of JulieB, Branwen, Heather and Tarri...am I missing anyone?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 29, 2005, 00:30:02 am
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"never wake a sleeping baby."   :lol:   Oh, the things I'd do different if I could go back. Probably one of the few things I disagree with Tracy on!

 :?:  Hey, that would be a fun thread...if you could do something differently, what would it be?  Or what will you do differently with your next one?

Great minds think alike, as they say.  I always dreaded people telling me not to wake her, especially at night.  But I was so set to "do it the right way" and I truely thought I HAD to.  Now, I won't wake her 99% of the time.  Which led me to thinking, "what I'll do differently next time."  So here's mine:

 :arrow: I will start sleep training much sooner, ie having baby settle self to sleep from being awake.
 :arrow: I won't wake the baby unless absolutely too much time has passed; I'll be more relaxed about it.  However, especially early on, there does have to be limits:  to regulate day/night and to maintain baby's blood sugar levels with enough feedings.
 :arrow: I will sleep when the baby sleeps and not worry about the house or what dh needs.  Sorry, but I'm being honest.

Um, that's all for now, I'm sure I'll think of more.
Oh, and I tried apples and chicken today.  It didn't smell, and she ate all 4 oz.  It was the Del Monte brand.  However, I think it might have hurt her tummy  :( .  And it was not lumpy.  Where's the lumps to introduce texture?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 29, 2005, 00:40:55 am
will definitely write when the girls have 1pm nap - this thread is moving too fast for me these days as i read in snatches through the day with one eye out for alex coming to catch me  :oops: and seem to miss so much - i swear i read other people's comments and think "did Christine say that - i missed it in her post" etc  :oops:  but will try to focus and re-read the last few pages.

on a positive note - olivia is still asleep - doing at least 1 1/2 hrs for morning nap - will write about it later (this is the 2nd time this week  :D )

talk later ladies - miss you all too!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on September 29, 2005, 01:56:04 am
Thanks for music responses. 

Michelle, that is great about Kinlagh saying Mama!

Heather,  Matty is dropping his toys a lot and I havent really decided how to handle it.  So far I'm just picking them up a few times and handing them back.  Not really sure what to do either.


Everyone:  Matty has a few great days of napping, and then one like today where he only slept 45 minutes at a time for all three naps. I think it is the teething thing.  He also tends to sleep better the days Im at work!  My sitter says they know when Mommy is home, but sometimes I get the good naps, just not as often.

Wanted to respond to more people but have to get to bed and tomorrow is a work day. 

Its helpful to me when  you guys post about your frustration with mornings.  I feel that I am at Matthew's mercy with how much sleep I get.  Will he get up at 5 am? 6:30? or do I get a late morning 6:45!!!!  Especially on work days, it can be unnerving.  I thought I was the only one who felt like that. I used to consider getting up anytime before 8 A.M. to be really early!  Im not a morning person!   Am I using enough exclamations??!!! lol

Hugs to everyone

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 29, 2005, 02:36:46 am
Wow - posters have been busy!   :D

Julie - we have just about nil "kid" music cd's around here.  I got a lullaby one that I used to use for naps, but no longer.  And someone gave me a Veggie Tales Sunday Songs one at my shower.  That's it for now.  I'm sure when Ethan gets a bit older, I'll be listening to much more, but for now, I'm in control of the music!  Of course, I'm pretty mellow, but love my Dave Matthews! 

Heather - I was thinking the same thing today; what baby food can you buy that has more texture to it?  The only difference I see with stage 1 and stage 2 food is the quantity.  I tried the veggie puffs with Ethan, he about gagged on them, and it made me paranoid that he was going to choke on it!  I don't think he's ready for those yet.  I just don't know how to go from the stage 1 baby food to the next step.  Any suggestions from anyone?  btw, we're still doing stage 1 because that's about as much as Ethan eats of solids at one sitting.  He usually eats one 2.5 oz of a fruit at lunch, and then a 2.5 oz veggie, plus maybe 1/2 a fruit at dinner.  If he eats more than that, I see it all over again!   :roll:

Julieb - sounds like you guys had a very early morning!  Isn't it lovely when you're woken up at that time of the morning?  I can't help thinking, oh geez, are we going to start today this way?

Jaime - here's hoping that luke's nap wakings decrease or desist!   :lol:

Branwen - I hear you regarding what I'm willing do to during his nightwakings if the pattern continues (and what I'm willing to break him of).  Also, totally with you on the getting of Motrin kick.  I gave it to him for his fever when he had a cold, then he seemed like he was cranky and teething, so he got it for that.  I finally had enough since it had been about two weeks, so today was a no pain reliever day for us, and it seemed okay!

Us - well, I decided to tweak up ethan's routine today.  he woke at 7 am, and I kept him up for 2.5 hours, and put him down for his am nap at 9:30.  I was doing 9 am - meaning 2 hours A time.  He slept for his routine 30 minutes, but then fell back asleep pretty quickly after babbling to himself for about 15 minutes.  So, total, he slept about 1 hour.  That's good for us for a morning nap.  Then he was up from about 11 to 2 - yes, that's right 3 hours of A time!  That's a big deal for us, he was almost always a 2 hour on the dot kid!  Granted we ran some errands, and he fell asleep in the car on the way home - for about 10 minutes, but I'm not counting that!   :oops:  :wink:   I put him down for his pm nap at 2, and he slept straight through until 3:45.  Yeah!  I have gotten 2 and 2.5 hour afternoon naps out of him, but this was great too!  Then he was up from 3:45 till bedtime, which I moved up 15 minutes to 7:15.  I am trying to get rid of his 5 pm catnap.  The day went pretty well for us on this routine.  Poor guy was sleepy by the time bedtime rolled around, but that's okay!  He went down very easily - although he almost always does at bedtime.

And we haven't had any nightwakings since I've posted.  He has woken a couple of times in the night, cried out for about 30 seconds, then quit, resettled himself, and gone back to sleep.  Not sure what that's all about, but as long as he doesn't scream his head off, no problem!  I actually have caught myself after about an hour passes since he woke up having gone back to sleep.  Meaning, I lay there thinking - will he settle, will he wake up?  And then he settles, and in the meantime, I've gone back to la la land myself.  And then I start awake an hour later, thinking, gee, I guess he went back to sleep.   :oops:

We're also in the process of cutting out his df.  I just started this today, so we'll see how long it takes.  I'm nervous cause I don't want him to start waking in the middle of the night for a feed - but hopefully that won't happen.  I'm just decreasing 1 oz so far, and adding that 1 oz to his morning bottle. 

Oh, big news!  I think I finally see the cut in the gums where yes, you guessed it, a tooth may FINALLY BE MAKING IT'S APPEARANCE!  It feels a bit rough there, so I think it's finally coming!  No actual tooth yet, but I know it's on it's way.  Is it so ridiculous that I'm happy about this?  I thought Ethan would just be mr. cranky butt forever, and I'd forever be blaming non-existant teeth! At least if he gets one, I'll know they exist!   :lol:

Well, I'm off to do the earlier df tonight.  It takes too long to catch up to you girls!   :)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 29, 2005, 04:33:13 am
HI all - this will be another long one to catch up... until the weekend we are on SLOW internet connection (we don't have unlimited and if there was more days left i would upgrade but for a few days not worth it....)

Tarri - it sounds like you are doing a fantastic job - congrats to you - i bet you are starting to feel so good and confident - you are obviously making all the right choices for emily!

christine - have fun with babyproofing now thatyou have alittle army crawler - Leah is on the move! yea!

Heather - i was excited that she said mama (alothough it has only been 2 times so far) because alex said dada first, and olivia seems to be a daddy's girl so i felt this was a nice connection for me and her to have.
and yeah on the waving - i have not even tried that one yet. ~ with the toys from high chair - don't get upset, just don't laugh at it.  she will grow out of it after she learns what she wants fromt he cause/effect stuff. it will last a while though.... Liv does not have toys at the high chair (nor the tray yet ) just holds her spoon and cup.

Jaime - i too am amazed at all the free support in australia.  with no family here i could not have survived alex's first year without my local early childhood centre and obviously i have used every resource possible with olivia.  in our state especially there are a lot of programs to support families with under 5's.  they try to catch any problems and help kids before they reach school age.  ~ congrats on the hug - sounds delicious

julieb - we too have had episodes of waking and crying - from naps and before DF.  i had success with resettling once at nap by rocking and pat/shh simultaneously (it was my first rocking experience and i was amazed - now i know why people do it  :lol: ) i think it is all developmental.  olivia really seems to have a lot going on with her and i thin kit is just comeing to a head these days.  ~ i also don't envy you (and the other moms of little boys) i said to Dh when PG with Liv "if it is a biy i won't have any cluke how to handle "bits" and how to toliet train etc"

Branwen - that is the way things often develop -they learn and then forget as they move on to learning other new things - alex was like that all the time and Liv is similar (ex: she rolled at 7 weeks and then almost nothing until now.  alex learned some words and then dropped them for ages until she starte again...) all normal. ~ yeah on the crawling and napping and breakfast out! ~ with the grobag you adjust what clothes they are wearing with it in order so they dfon't overheat - they come with a temp. chart that lists what to wear based on the temp int he room. ~ i thought liv might be hgavinga 7 mo Growth spurt so maybe eirwen is having an 8 mo GS  :roll: ~ toys: we use almost all non-electronic toys (stuffed animals and dolls, soft blocks, books - board and cloth, rattles, rings, etc) ~ teething remedy is a homeopathic drink made by "Braeur" - they have a full range for all kids ailments, tastes nice, you can't give it "too often" or for too long so is ok to use all the time which was great with alex when she would teethe for weeks on end

Vidya - OMG i feel so bad for Diya. i am glad to hear they fixed her elbow but how scary!! hugs to you.

Nikki - how was swimming.  we might take the girls this weekend (we have a 3day weekend) if the weather is nice since alex's swim calss is on break. it will be liv's first time.

Julie G - because of alex we have lots of kids music and it is on a lot.non eof what i play specifically woud be available in the states/canada but the general idea is i have 2 CDs of nursery rhymes, a 3CD set of "action" songs like if you're happy and you know it, wheels on the bus...; a couple of locally produced Cds of fun educational songs for toddlers.  they are quite good (my 38 year old siser wanted to burn copies of some of our songs because she could not stop singing them during her visit  :lol: )

Michelle - hope all is well for you now.  thanks for your kind words.  both girls still have runny noses and alex now seems to have a tummy bug (yucky poops and poor appetite) ~ Kinlagh will have to resettle after a trip - check out the getting back on track board if you need to.


i am sure i missed a lot but can't comment on it all....

us - well - olivia did a 1.5 hr nap this morning and then this afternoon woke after 30 min whyen rolled on her tummy and she was playing and babbling, etc i have tried resettling but don't think it is going to happen!!! why can't i have a great day - i was too excited from this morning's success - that'll teach me!  ~ also - got my latestthyroid test results back and unfortunately i am now HYPOthyroid so will be seeing my doctor next week to discuss changing those meds.  what fun.  at least it explains my recent weihght gain and feeling cold when Dh insists it is fine in the house! ~ am also exhausted and that can be part of it.  so hopefully changing meds there will give me a pick me up! ~ olivia is rolling back and forth now and really doing a lot  on all 4s but CANNOT go forwrad no matter how hard she tries.  does anyone know how long they can crawl backwards before learning to go forwards - i thought it would be a week but i was wrong! ~ must dash off to try again to settle her.  will write tonight if i forgot anything.

can't re-read this now so sorry if a mess to read  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 29, 2005, 08:45:04 am
Just a real quickie as I have loads to do while Daniel sleeps.

Yesterday was a n awful nap day.  Did about 45 mins in morning and then about 30 mins in afternoon!  He displayed lots of what I would describe as 'tantrum' behaviour yesterday as a result.  Was a scarey look into the future maybe! :shock:

Consequently he was in bed by 6.30pm (usually about 7.45) and he slept through til 6.30am :shock: Yay!  Feels so good doesn't it when they do what you plan for them to do!  Just wish he'd do that more often

My sister and her husband are taking Daniel for the day today.  They are so excited and I am so looking forward to a Daniel free day (as much as I do love being with him, a day to myself is heaven).  I have to go now and pack up ALL his stuff.  Also need to write out lists and timetables (nice to know I'm not the only one who does this).


Really love looking at video clips of babies crawling.  Can't wait - Daniel kind of balances on his tummy but has not yet worked out that he can get up on his hands and knees to move.

Have a great day everyone.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 29, 2005, 14:49:45 pm
Tammy-go ahead and buy stage 2.  You can open the jar, dish out the amount he will eat, and the remaining can stay in your fridge for 2-3 days.  Kelsey doesn't eat a full jar yet, so I use them throughout the day.  Also, it took several, several tries for Kelsey to get the hang of the veggie puffs.  I, too, am so paranoid of choking, but she's doing really well now.  I think the gagging is mostly do to the funny feel of them in their mouths.  Everyone has told me to just jump into the finger foods, and I'm slowly trying.  I still break about 2 of the "corners" off the puff just to make them a tad smaller.   :oops:   Great naps, yay!  I think he'll be fine to cut out the dream feed.  Maybe then he'll start taking more solids.  We're up to 3-4 oz per feeding, and it was 2-3.  I just assume her appetite is increasing.

JulieG-I'm not a morning person either, and I don't have to work outside of the house.  That's why I have Kelsey sleeping 8-8.  She sometimes starts to stir around 7:30, so this is when I start getting up and get breakfast ready, and my coffee, then get I get her.  As long as she's not crying, which she usually is not, then she just plays for a few minutes while I get ready for the morning.  If I bring her right out, she'll fuss the whole time I'm getting her food ready, so she's much happier just playing in the crib.  Or dh while get her if he has time and spend some time with her before work. 

Branwen-it's been about 3 days now since I haven't given Motrin.  Of course, she's been having the Pediacare now for her cold, and I certainly didn't want to give too much medicine.  She seems okay with her teeth, but it's so hard to tell with the runny nose going on too.

Thanks for your imput on toy throwing.  I know that it's not the best idea to give toys in the area that is meant for eating, but I have to keep her occupied, and she has hit herself in the eye with the spoon.  I guess I will just try a small bowl that I use for her food.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 29, 2005, 17:08:18 pm
I know I REALLY need to catch up, and I promise I will soon. But I have one quick question. Has anyone tried cottage cheese? I was eating some last night and I gave DD a bit. She loved it and kept trying to take it from me!  :D It's the 4% large curd. Can you use it as part of a meal? For example, half a jar of veges and a few Tablespoons of cottage cheese?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 29, 2005, 17:18:19 pm
Okay, so Asher is officially teething again.  :roll:  :shock:   One of his top incisors is buldging and will prolly break through within a day or two.  The other doesn't seem far behind.  I'm also wondering if he's working on his second set of bottom incisors because they seem kinda swollen and I think I see white underneath.  So at least I have a reason for all this craziness!   Must say that he's handling them better than the first set -- especially during A time.

Last night he woke at 10 pm and took a good hour to settle.  I didn't have to do PU/PD, it was obvious he was tired and was trying to get back to sleep, but couldn't.  But I still had listen to him moan and go in every 5-10 minutes.  Then he woke at 5:40 them morning and just moaned off and on again until I got him up at 7:00.  I'm SOOOO tired my eyes just ache.  I'm going back to bed after this since he's napping.  Now that I know it's teething, I think I know how I can help him better tonight.

Happy Asher news: Not allergic to millet! 

Heather:  You hit three of my top "what to do differently" right on the money!   :lol:

Deb: Potty training is my biggest fear with a boy!  :shock:   And we're still arguing about how we want to refer to his bits and pieces.  I prefer the proper names but DH prefers weird alternative phrases that only a man could appreciate!   :roll:  :lol:

Heather/Michelle:  Oh, how I wish, oh, how I tried to get Asher on a 8-8 schedule!!  I fought with him for MONTHS until I finally gave in around 4.5 months and moved it up till 7-7.  All was well for a while, then we started fighting the 7-7!  I'm determined not to move it again because I know he'll just counter me again!  :evil:   :cry:   If either of you know how to "program" 8-8, let me know!   :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 29, 2005, 17:57:09 pm
Christine-I have read that cottage cheese is an exceptable table food.  However, Kelsey didn't like it.  Have you tried the yobaby yogurt, or do you plan to?

JulieB-I can't really take credit for the 8-8 (or so) sleep.  That's how she's always been.  Probably no one believes me, but she never woke in the night as a newborn or after for that matter to eat.  I had to wake her at least after 5 hours per the ped. instructions to feed her.  After I stopped waking her (8 weeks) she never woke on her own from habit either.  That's not to say that we didn't have days/nights when we had to hold her around the clock, but that didn't last too long after she got days/nights sorted.  I tried letting her sleep until she woke one or two nights, but after 7 hours I would get worried and feel like she should eat.  Everything I read said not to let a bf baby go more than 5 hours.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 29, 2005, 18:13:13 pm
JulieB (and others) - Has Asher (or others) started standing in their crib yet?  Kinlagh learned how today and I have yet to get her down for her afternoon nap (been trying for 1.5 hours).  I'm at a loss and need some advice if you have it.

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on September 29, 2005, 18:24:24 pm
hmmm... what would i have done differently....

i would have moved to canada so i could have a year's paid maternity leave!  :lol:

i had BOTH kids on an 8-8 schedule, and it had to be scrapped so i could return to work!  :(

i honestly don't regret a lot of what i did (perhaps i am not thinking clearly!).  i did wake the sleeping baby.  i had to - #1 had days & nights confused due to an overnight labor.  she was straightened out quickly.  luke had the play at night biorhythm - he took 7 weeks to 'fix'.

i wish luke could have been bf longer, but since i was pumping only for him, i don't see how i could have held on much longer than 6 months anyhow. 

there were many times i wondered why i had them so close together, but i'm very happy with that decision now.

and yes, ignoring the house is a must.  i did learn that after the first one.  and dh knew better than to complain about it the second time!  :wink:

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food- i buy the plain unsweetened applesauce from the grocery store - that has a bit of texture.  depending on my mood, i will buy canned (salt free) or frozen peas & carrots or whatever - they're little enough to be finger food.  at least, i did with jaina - we're haven't quite gotten to finger foods yet - not much interest from luke.  also have found that if i don't let stuff go too long in the blender or don't add as much water there are more lumps.

Hazel - enjoy your day off!  oh how nice that will be!

Tammy - hope that tooth finally comes in!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 29, 2005, 19:05:25 pm
Quote from: Kinlagh's Folks
JulieB (and others) - Has Asher (or others) started standing in their crib yet?  Kinlagh learned how today and I have yet to get her down for her afternoon nap (been trying for 1.5 hours).  I'm at a loss and need some advice if you have it.

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, Hannah stands up in her crib now! I stay in her room for a min or two after laying he down (out of sight). If she sits up I lay her back down before she can even get into a standing position. It's really cute when she wakes up now because when I go in to her room to get her up she's standing up waiting for me. She's so cute with her big blue eyes peering over the top of the rail.  Naps have been off for us too these days. 1 hr in the am and pm for the past 3 days, glad to know she isn't the only one.

As far as what I would have done differently.........I think I would have started the EASY routine from day 1. I didn't really follow it until Hannah was 3 mos, which is when I got the second book (solves all your probs). Also, I'd be more relaxed, I stress way too much. I'm learning to take one day at a time and do my best. If she doesn't eat or nap well it's not the end of the world, though it sometimes feels that way when I'm wiped.  Lastly I'd get more help. I don't have any family here and only a few very busy friends. We are currently trying to move back to the Westcoast to be near my mom and sisters. I'd love to have my mom care for Hannah one day a week so I can run errands w/o her. Right now I run errands in the evening when DH comes home from work and it sucks because I'm so tired. Anyway, thats all for now.

Jo :)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 29, 2005, 19:08:42 pm
I have officially had the best day in a long time! :D

As I posted earlier my sister and her hubby had Daniel for the day today.  She is familiar with baby whispering ways and is really great with him (as is her hubby) so they excitedly drove off with him this morning after his morning nap. I, well, did NOTHING for about an hour first.  I kept glancing at the monitor expecting to hear Daniel waking up and then remembered he was awake and 'playing out' today :D   Then I went shopping and spent ages just walking around etc... Then bought myself a book and went and sat in Starbucks and read for about an hour.  It was heaven.  I even got to take the stairs rather than the lift which was a treat in itself.  (You realise all the little things that you can't do when you have a pram and a baby with you).

Got home about 4pm and curled up on settee with a hot choc and just enjoyed silence.

Daniel arrived home at 6pm.  He had had an hour's sleep this avo, had had his tea already and just looked sooooo grown up (is that possible for an 8 month old?!)  Oooo I had so missed him (but oooo I had a good day too :wink: )

Funny really but today has been quite significant I think.  Just having some quality time all to myself has kind of made me realise the importance of guarding some 'me' time every once in a while.  I don't know if any of you feel the same but since ds came along I guess I've almost forgotten that I exist.  It's become a bit like I just exist for Daniel.  Does that make sense?  Today has made me fall in love with him even more than before (if that's possible). 

Michelle - your video clips of Kinlagh are adorable. 

Julieb - I know what you mean about dreading potty training with a boy!  Me too.

I've been trying to think of 3 things I would do differently.  Quite difficult really.  Things haven't always been easy but somehow, at the same time, I wouldn't want to change it.  KWIM?

 :arrow: I'd not get my hopes up at about 38 weeks thinking that the baby could come any day.  Holding out then til 42 weeks for an induction was murder!
 :arrow: I'd have not worried so much that Daniel was getting 'fat'.  People were obsessed all the time with how much weight he was putting on (me included :oops: ).  I'd just relax and enjoy his 9oz bottle feeds (at like 4 weeks!!!).  He's just a hungry, healthy baby.
 
Could only think of 2.  Guess that's a good thing really.

Teeth - do all of you clean your lo's teeth every morning and night?  Now Daniel has 8 :shock:  we are really trying to get into the habit of properly cleaning them after breakfast and before bed. But he HATES it!  He used to love it but now it turns into a battle every time.  Just wondering if anyone had any clever advice?!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on September 29, 2005, 20:43:26 pm
Heather/Debra - swimmingWell the first "lesson" didn't go to well. 1st thing apparantly is to teach them to feel comfy on their backs in water - UNFORTUANTLY lise is not comfy on her back on LAND!! Always turning over to get goiing. The teacher said that she thinks Lise will just skip the floating stage and go right into tummy swimming. (Not wanting to lie down has got something to do with babies righting reflex.
Branwen Babes throwing toys is an important developmental stage - teaches them "release" - general release untill spesific release (location). I would probably recommend you tie a few toys with some ribbon etc to your highchair. (under supervision of course - don't want strangulation!!). When baby throw toy usually will either look where it has gone or starts moaning for you to get it - you can then teach "pulling up" of the toy. I know it is annoying!! Hopefully they will "get it" quickly!!
Tammy - Dreamfeed??? I am also cutting Lise's - and in the process decreasing some of her milk feed - so on the day I decrease milk and give feed earlier she has woken around 2/3 am - but just took the dummy and the next night was fine. So I have to decrease again tomorrow - will let you know!
Walkers VERY bad!! Some people also feel this way about jumpers to. How is exercauser different from a walker - Can they not self propel at all in an exercauser?
Music We have lots of baby cd's - with some traditional songs and I play this everyday to and back from work - only thing that keeps lise calm!! winddown and intro to sleep we use "majors for minors" - this serves as a general sleep cue - use with naps as well.
Things to do differently
1. Keep Babywhisperer to myself!!! I get so mad at people asking advice, then not taking it and then asking the same thing again!!
2. Get DH more involved in SLEEP - as he uses the excuse - I don't know how to get her to sleep!!!
3. Leave her with "sitters" earlier - mostly for myself!
4. Not stress so much about naps!
Us Well - talking about naps - this 7mth Nap Crazy is driving me carzy!! Lise is now sleeping 60min max at nap - and with NO!!! extending. Where I usually could get her to sleep another 45min after her first waking at 45min it just seems that at 60min she has now gone past the "tired" stage! Ooh well - I am now going with the flow this week trying to see if we cannot determine a "pattern" emerging.
Dh away tonight so home alone. Taking Lise with me in the room for the night so will see how that goes. Keep well and will talk soon
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 29, 2005, 21:44:55 pm
Michelle:  Yes, Asher can stand in the crib, but it was never a game.  Asher has always gone down for naps well, it's the mid-nap transitions that have been difficult.  At this stage, you do PU/PD once they sit or stand up, then PD.  There's no real PU anymore.  Does she know how to get down?  If so, and she's not crying, leave her to it.  If she doesn't, wait till she cries, go rescue and put her back down and leave.  You may be doing this many times before she finally tires out though.
It's annoying, but doesn't last forever, I promise!

Speaking of cute LOs standing in the crib peeping over the rails, I have to post this photo of Asher!

Nikki:  I thought I read somewhere that excersaucers were bad as well, makes them late walkers or something?  But I can't find the reference again for the life of me.  I decided not to get one anyway, and I'm happy I didn't.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 29, 2005, 22:24:49 pm
Standing in crib - Thanks Julie & Jo for your replies.  It reminds me that I'm not alone in this craziness called motherhood.  I used what you both suggested tonight and it worked.  I only had to put her down twice before she settled to sleep.  Although she was exhausted because of no afternoon nap.  FYI - She can't yet get into the sitting position.  She stands by pulling up from her knees.  She's a crawl-kneel-stand girl.  I'm sure I'll get it on video once the frustration of it all wears off.  Guess we'll go thru this all again once she can go to sit.  Oh no!!

Thanks again!

Hazel - Thanks re: videos.  She's a fun subject!  We do brush her teeth/gums every night.  I guess once she has a few more teeth, we'll do it in the morning too.  No advice as Kinlagh loves it!  Sorry.

Nikki - I'm curious about the "babies righting reflex" you mentioned. Kinlagh is always quick to roll to her tummy when placed on her back.  Makes putting cream on her murder!!   [/b]
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 30, 2005, 00:12:24 am
ok - i am really struggling again.  yesterday's early nap wake up was because she rolled onto tummy.  she could not resettle and then after an hour of me trying, she pooped and all bets were off.  now this morning i can't ven get her down for her 1st nap - have been trying for over an hour and she just keeps movi9ng around the cot, rocking, crying out of frustration, just di a big poo.  i changed her and tried again! have already offered a top up bottle since she only had 4 oz at bkfst (she took another 3 1/2 oz at 9:20) and have tried holding her down and settling on either tummy or back.

what the heck do i do?! i don't remember the last time i had a morning shower - i think it was Mon or Tuesday... alex needs me and is feeling neglected. we finally have a sunny morning after a week of rain and clouds and i am still in PJs and glasses struggling with nap1  :evil:   help anyone???
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 30, 2005, 00:48:03 am
Deb:

Does she take a pacifier? Hannah still likes to be swaddled, just under her armpits so her armas are free. Maybe that may help calm her. I usually hold Hannah and sing softly to her until she gets heavy eyed, then I lay her down. Sending you sleepy vibes......HTH

Joanne
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on September 30, 2005, 01:00:55 am
joanne - thanks, but no pacifier ever and we got rid of the swaddle at 5 mo - she is in a grobag now. it is the adjustment to tummy sleeping.

it took until 10:15 am (from 855am) but finally afetr that poop it took 2 min pat/shh and she was out on tummy.  slept for 45 min and woke crying on her tummy.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on September 30, 2005, 01:12:20 am
What worked for us was just settling her on her tummy and not flipping her back to her back.  Figured she needed to get used to it sooner or later, so why not sooner.  Just did our version of pat/shh (hand/pressure on her back, or stroking her cheek and a soft whisper or shh in her ear).  It took a few wakings (all in one night) and it was over.  She was fine for her next day's nap.  Good luck
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: branwen on September 30, 2005, 16:41:48 pm
Things to do differently-most of you already said these :wink:

1- start BW from day one or after day night sorted out
2- definitely keep BW to myself!!!
3- trust my instincts as a mother more

Heather- I believe you!! Eirwen was the same as Kelsey.  We had to wake her every three hrs for about 7 weeks to eat as she would not wake on her own.  At six weeks my ped said I could do one 6 hr stretch with her.  It would take us 45 min to wake her!!! Oh, gosh those days seem so far away....sigh...

Nikki- re: Toy throwing.  I didn't mean to sound like I get mad at my dd or anything.  I don't.  I mean I totally let her throw stuff around.  It's fun- I still like throwing stuff. 8) I just don't want to encourage it beyond her natural desire to do it.  I have this personal trauma of being hit in the head by flying metal cars from an 18 month old who thought it was fun to throw stuff at me.  I know she needs to learn the relationships, gravity, etc.  So we play with balls and stuff and I drop them and she drops/throws them.  I didn't mean to sound like a control freak. :oops:   For me toys in the high chair just don't work for us- she's too distracted by them and will not eat the food- so I give her "kitchen" stufff to play with. 

Most exersaucers are stationary, just a seat.  I think there are few where baby can take a few steps back and forth in them.  My ped said jumpers were ok because it is the jumper that supports all the weight, so they aren't exactly pressing to stand in them- more like toe touching.

Hazel-I love how you describe your day off.  That is so great!! And i know about the feelings of non-existence.  this is what has been getting me down lately :(

Jo- I so hear you!  We are trying to move to NM from the Eastcoast for the same reason-no family and a few as you said SUPER BUSY friends :cry: and plus we just don't like it here anymore.    It is honestly just too hard sometimes, like when I took Eirwen to the ER, there is no one to call, no one to come help, and my dh is 1.5 hrs away, it really highlights how isolated I am, so we are trying to change that.  I also run errands after my dh gets home.  There is no time for us huh!

Us- Eirwen doing much better :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on September 30, 2005, 18:01:07 pm
Branwen-you "sound" good.  I'm so glad Eirwen is doing better.  Keep us posted.

I had a terrible day with Kelsey yesterday as she only took 30 minute naps.  However, today has been wonderful.  I just have to remember that even babies have bad days, and she needs me more than anything.  Isn't it great to have someone love you more than they love anyone else?!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on September 30, 2005, 18:09:13 pm
Quote from: hwcampbell
  Isn't it great to have someone love you more than they love anyone else?!

Wonderful!!! The best part about working is picking Leah up. I stick my head in the door and she gets this big smile and starts kicking her legs, flailing her arms and screaming (a happy scream!)  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on September 30, 2005, 19:11:57 pm
Quote from: hwcampbell

I just have to remember that even babies have bad days, and she needs me more than anything.  Isn't it great to have someone love you more than they love anyone else?!

So true. We get into a groove then when an off day (or week) hits I get all upset, but I'm learning to relax and go with the flow more.  It's so nice to have other moms here to share experiences with. Hugs to you all :)

Is it just me or are all of our lo's having a funky nap week? Hope the weekend will be a little more calm.

Jo
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on September 30, 2005, 20:38:10 pm
My lo has had a great nap day today.  yay!  He took a solid 1.5 hours this morning.  Then we went swimming.  Then he took another hour and 45 mins this avo.  Then he went straight to sleep at 7.30pm.  My husband has been using an electric saw on the landing right outside Daniel's room  :shock: (like literally the other side of the door!) and Daniel hasn't woken once.  What a star banana.  Just can't believe it.

No doubt means tomorrow will be a very different day :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on September 30, 2005, 20:58:27 pm
Sounds like some of us are having good days mixed with the occasional bad days.  I think that is par for the course!

Good us news - Ethan's tooth has broken through!  He is once again {mostly} my happy boy!  Love it! 

We had a GREAT nap day today.  Ethan has been waking later the past few days, around 7:30 instead of 7.  I put him down for a nap today at 10, and he slept until 12, with a brief 15 minute wakeup and babble in the middle somewhere.  That is a tremendous morning nap for him, he usually does 30 to 45 minutes, and that's it.  Then I put him down for his afternoon nap at 2 thinking it would be short because his am nap was so long.  And he's still asleep!  He woke up for a short babble for about 10 or 15 minutes (right when the garbage truck was coming down our street), and went right back to sleep.  So that's another 1.75 hour nap!  Amazing!

And the best part - my dh and I are going to the Texas Rangers baseball game tonight with his work.  My mom and dad are coming over to babysit shortly.  So I know that Ethan won't be super cranky pants tonight, since his naps were so awesome! 

These are the days that make everything worthwhile.

Oh - and can I say - I am going to miss my baby's toothless grin.  It makes me tear up just thinking about it.  I'm so sappy sometimes!   :cry:  :oops:  :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on September 30, 2005, 22:20:54 pm
I gave Tylenol to Asher before bed for the first time!   :lol:   I felt we deserved it since those giant front teeth are coming through!  He did okay.  I gave him another dose around 3 am.  Still woke at 6 am though.  :?

So, the past 2-3 days, we've had shorter morning naps, like 1.25 hours instead of the typical 1.5.  And the afternoon naps seem to be getting longer again, like 2-2.5 hours.  Our A time in the morning is 2.5 hours, but it's obvious he can go longer.  We go 3 hours before the afternoon nap.  I'm not sure if I should extend the A time in the morning, or just let the morning nap get shorter and shorter.  If I extend too much, that'll put the afternoon nap way too late in the day (and it's already approaching that).  And since the afternoon nap is the one that stays, I figure I should just let the morning nap fizzle out on it's own?  What do you think?

Tammy:
  I was so sappy about Asher's gummy grin.  I still miss it sometimes.  But I have to admit, those two little teeth all by themselves are pretty darn cute sometimes!  :wink:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 01, 2005, 00:17:36 am
JulieB, Tammy, and Hazel, I'm happy for you that your nap situations are improving.  Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat with Jo.  I've had nap h@ll this week.  Of course, she's had a runny nose/possible cold, so I can't really blame her.  However, she's been much better, but yesterday's naps were 30 minutes as I mentioned, and today's were both less than 1 hr.  Then I've tried to run errands these past 2 nights and she's been an absolute bear.  Is this part of the touchy temperment?  I stay home all day so she can nap, so the evening is all I have.  She used to be decent when I'd take her out, but now I barely have a 1 hr window of opportunity of her being happy, and that's only if the stroller is moving.  Heaven forbid I should stop to do something.  I just had visions of running around with my baby/toddler and doing things out and about in the world with her.  I guess I need to let go of that for now, but it is depressing.  Sorry, didn't mean to ramble.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 01, 2005, 05:14:02 am
Heather, I feel for you!  I hardly go out with Asher unless it's to family's places.  And if I do go out, I risk messing up the rest of the day (like I did today).  :?  That's just the touchy in him!  I just pick my battles, so to speak, and decide what and when I'm willing to sacrifice.  I throw in the towel occasionally, but for the most part, I'm a slave to the routine.  Took me a good 4 months to come to terms with it, but we're both much happier to stay home now!   :lol:

BTW, posted new videos on jusspress of Asher waving and cruising.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 01, 2005, 11:27:08 am
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I stay home all day so she can nap, so the evening is all I have. She used to be decent when I'd take her out, but now I barely have a 1 hr window of opportunity of her being happy, and that's only if the stroller is moving.

sure you haven't been peeking into my life?!  :wink:  i think it must be the whole touchy thing.  luke makes it impossible to go many places either, and that stroller better be moving or i'll hear about it!  we just don't go many places either.  stinks, but i'd rather be home and kinda grumpy rather than out with screaming baby.  <sigh>

since these babies all seem to get together and plan non-sleeping times, maybe one of them could slip it in that we are due for good days again now?  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 01, 2005, 12:54:03 pm
Jo - Kinlagh is having terrible naps, but it's 100% because she's now standing in her crib but can't get back down.  So it's taking 30 mins to 1.5 hours to settle her to sleep...pfew!

Hazel - Way to go on Daniel's naps!  What a great feeling.

Tammy - Ethan has a tooth!  Yay!  Sounds like you had a great day yesterday, let's hope it continues.  How was the game?  And don't worry about the toothless grin, I agree with JulieB, the grin with the 2 little bottom teeth so far is my favorite!


US - In addition to the standing in the crib, Kinlagh started dancing and waving yesterday.  And last night at midnight, she started a cold.  So we had 4-5 night wakings, plus a snotty nosed baby today.  What a week!  DH asked that there be no "firsts" while he was away.  I think he jinxed us!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 01, 2005, 13:02:13 pm
I accidentally submitted before finishing my thoughts, so here is a little more.

JulieB -What you wrote about Asher's naps sounds perfect to me.  Eventually they'll have to phase out of one of those naps, so why not let him lead the way.  I checked out the new jusspress videos.  Asher is really amazing to me.  He looks like a toddler - not an 8 month old!!  Kinlagh is trying, but she's not as steady on her feet.  She's awful wobbly and it makes me sooo nervous.

Heather & Jaime - Hope this passes quickly and you'll be able to show off your lo's again to the world very shortly.

Another 'us' - DH comes home tonight!!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I was going to go surprise him at the airport, but the way Kinlagh and I are feeling, I don't want to leave her with a babysitter.  sigh :?   I guess we'll see how the day goes.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 01, 2005, 13:28:51 pm
BTW - New Avatar for Grandparents month!
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Post by: HeatherC on October 01, 2005, 13:44:30 pm
Thanks for the support.  I'm glad it's not just us!
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Post by: Leah's Mom on October 01, 2005, 18:30:47 pm
Tammy - Congrats to Ethan on his first tooth! I hope you have fun at the game tonight. That's so nice of your parents to come over and sit. This is where we run into the problems with the inlaws. They want to babysit at night, but they don't want to come here. So I say, too bad I'll get our teenage sitter then. I know, bad me. But I don't want to have to cart the pack-n-play and stuff over to their house blah. blah, blah.

Julieb- I just let our morning nap get shorter, it's the first one they eventually drop anyway.

MIchelle - Love your avatar and pics of Kinlagh.

Heather, Jaime, and Julieb - Ah yes, I know when we run errands that I am ruining the whole day becuase we will be off schedule. Like today. Tried to do errands after her morning nap, well she fell asleep in the car (after only 1 1/2 hours A time) Tried to keep her awake by singing, didn't work. So then she fought going down for the afternoon nap becuase she had a quaint 10 min snooze in the car! Makes me not want to ever go to the grocery store!  :lol:

US: I caught strep throat from a child at school.  :evil: So I've been on antibiotics for a few days, will make sure to NOT have sex for fear of it interfering with my birth control. Not so sure I am ready for #2 yet! Leah had a better week at the sitters, starting taking better naps again. We seem to have control over the night wakings. Last night she went down at 7 and didn't wake till 4:50, then I fed her and she went back to sleep till 6:30. Now I just have to get rid of the 5 am feed. Having a girls night out tonight. Dinner and drinks, not a wild night out like my last one! Well, I better get a few things done during S time today. Seeing the weekend is all I have anymore!

Take care all!
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Post by: julieb on October 01, 2005, 18:48:07 pm
Well, we're having a great day so far, so let's hope the "bad sleep week" is officially over?  Asher went down at 6:30 last night and not a peep until 6:47 am!  Woohoo!  I feel so good!   :wink:   And he's currently down for a morning nap -- almost 2 hours!  :shock:   Hope that doesn't mean the afternoon will be short.  :?   He's handling this round of teething remarkably well compared to the first round.  He's teething 4!!  Two have barely come through (one top front and one bottom next to his current pair).  The matching sides are not far behind.  So there's hope for all you miserable teethers out there!  Apparently it gets easier!!  :D

Michelle:  Just wait, Kinlagh will look like a pro in no time!  Remember how fast she perfected her crawling?  It's amazing right now!  It's like they're in milestone explosion!  Makes me sappy for my little baby though!  On top of it, I've had him in some short/shirt separates which ALWAYS make him look older.   :?   But we're growing out of the rompers and onesies.   :cry:

Christine:  I do the same thing.  If they don't want to sit over here, I'll ask another family member.  Lord knows there's plenty to go around and they're all chomping at the bit to have at him!   :lol:  Have fun tonight!!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 01, 2005, 22:19:55 pm
Zero, yes zero pu/pd for crib standing tonight.  YAY!!!!!!  There isn't an emoticon to show how happy I am.  Only 2 pd for each of her naps today and none at bedtime.  And the 2 at naptimes involved very little crying - it was mostly stopping her from "play" standing.  It's a miracle.  I hope she's catching on and it's not just a fluke!  And guess what, dh comes home tonight to a nice calm, happy (but sick) baby.  He'll never believe that I had such a difficult week.

And just to add to the fun, when brushing her teeth tonight, she pulled away when brushing the top gums...she's probably teething again.  What a week for sure!

Thanks for listening.
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Post by: Schae on October 01, 2005, 23:02:10 pm
Woweee!

I have only just caught up with all the pages and pages, we really are a busy bunch :D

It's 1am here, and I was missing you ladies, so I stayed up to catch up, but can only do a half job of replying.

Just to let all of you who have naps that last longer than an hour.. you are so lucky! If I'm lucky, Luka naps for 1h15 maximum! I've given up trying to extend them.

Don't know if I told you ladies, but I've been job hunting for around 2 months now without much success, but was called for an interview on Friday. It was exactly what I want to do, and will help us move out and get our own place. Please hold thumbs for me!

I hope all the sick baba's feel better soon. And the mom's too.. Christine, was it you with strepthroat? I'm ill too, so I feel your pain. I have no voice, which is a huge struggle for a chatterbox like me :lol:

What I would've done differently:
* BW from day 1
* Listen to MY instincts
* Have my own house (hehehe)

Vidya: I'm so sorry about Diya's arm, glad it's all sorted out now though.

Branwen: You do 'sound' much better. Hope things continue to go well.

JulieB: Love the pic of Asher peeking over his crib.. too cute!

Heather: how are the naps going now? is she feeling any better? poor munchkin.

Deb: So, we're both back to normal now? What is your limit? Ours is 3Gigs, which is obviously too little.  :lol:

Will pop in again soon, when Luka is taking another of his 1hour (on the dot I tell you) naps :roll:  :lol:
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Post by: thitz on October 02, 2005, 00:00:25 am
JulieG, congrats to Matty on the crawling!!!!!!  I have a fisherprice playtime CD that Emily likes.  It's got 'if you happy and you know it', itsy bitsy spider and songs like that.  They're all sung by young children with lots of sound effects that catch her attention.

Branwen,  you sound fairly desperate and Eirwen must be exhausted too!  I'm going to give you all sorts of advice, and you can pick out what you might think is helpful.  I sooo want to be able to help you guys out!

What time does your dh get up for work in the morning?  I think you mentioned it's quite early hence the early bedtime.  I would just keep her early wake when dh wakes cause of the noise.  Now, for your suggested routine, regardless of how early she wakes try to keep her up to around the same time in the morning, I suggest 2.5 hrs from when you get her up from the crib.  This should make her sufficiently tired to go past 45 mins for nap 1 (I wouldn't even try to get a full 2 hrs maybe just 1.5hrs).  Keep her up this long even if she starts stirring in her crib a 1/2 hour before you go into her room.

Also keep her up longer between nap1 and nap2.  So she'll be tired enough.  Since she is able to go without napping all day, or fight pu/pd for long periods of time you can definately extend her A time.  I think your goal is to delay the start of nap2 so that if she sleeps for 1.5 hrs you can keep her up till bed without the catnap.  Then start to put her to bed about 12 hrs from when you went in her room in the morning.

As for the advil,  are you using it every day?  And how often?  I too think you shouldn't be using it every day for extended period of time.  Do you find it helps her?  When do you give it?  If it's before naps maybe she's using it as a sleep cue and I read somewhere that vitamin drops are sweet too, maybe you could switch to that?

As for the grobag, I would trust your Mommy instinct and think that the grobag is interfereing with her winddown and playing with her feet.  I would just dress her in layers for bed, maybe a diaper shirt and two layers of pjs and a blanket.  I find Emily is always warmer than me and is usually almost sweating when I give the dreamfeed and she's just wearing pj's a flannel sleepsack and a flannel blanket.

As for hubby rocking to sleep, I hate to say it but I think you've got to do it on your own if hubby won't stick with pu/pd cause he'll wreck all your hard work.  I really think that consisentcy is really important with teaching them to sleep.  I hope this helps.  Please ask more questions if you want.
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Post by: thitz on October 02, 2005, 00:29:31 am
I'm writing my reply in two parts as I'm so far behind and I don't want to lose what I've started just in case the computer crashes.

Michelle, I hear you on dh going away for 5 days.  I really rely on my dh's help.  I hope you survive okay.  Also I think the walkers are only illegal in Canada.

Tammy, it sounds like the night wakings are teething related.  I would do your best not to rock and do a simple quick pat or tuck in and leave.  Otherwise I think you will get into accidental parenting.  Of course there's always sometimes that are really hard for then and you have to do the rocking.

Heather, Emily also throws toys.  I'm not sure what you're supposed to do but I always wait a few seconds before giving her another toy.  Also dh drilled a tiny hole in the side of her booster seat and I attached a few toys to it with a ribbon.  At least this way I don't have to bend all the way to the floor and they stay cleaner.

Branwen, Emily doesn't like noisy toys either.  She loves her soft books especially the one with little animals attached on strings that she can play with and the crinkly stuff.  Also she likes it when I stack up her plastic barrels and she knocks them over.  Also, might not be the smartest thing but she'll happily play with a granola bar still in the wrapping for about 10 mins.

Going to do dreamfeed.  I'll be back.

Tarri
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Post by: branwen on October 02, 2005, 01:04:52 am
Hi everyone-

I'm currently babysitting a 4 month old!  She is a tiny 9lbs and so sweet.  Eirwen was SO jealous.  It is funny because I am able to be in ways so much better with this baby because of BW- as I was just starting then with Eirwen.

I have been better lately-thank you to those who commented.  And thank you for all the advice!!!

Eirwen and I have worked out some things- the motrin has ended- we've been off that for about 5 days, so that is done.  First, I offer her a nap every 2 hrs.  I was trying so hard to get her to conform to the ideal 4 hr schedule- 2 nap thing and it just does not work, she is honestly SO TIRED after 2 hrs.  I went back to the basics of watching her like a hawk.  I just trusted myself and even if I didn't think she would be tired enough she actually goes down better than she has in AGES- and is actually waking happy again!  So I think this whole time I have been missing her cues.  So we have three naps now and are on a 6:30-6:30 schedule, which I love because my dh is actually home to help me.  Her morning nap has extended to 2 hrs, then 1 (our cat nap) and then 1.5 to 2.  She has always needed more sleep than other babies...and she is so sensitive, everytime the lo I'm watching would cry Eirwen would burst into hysterical screams.  My sensitive angelpie... :cry:

I must admit that I have been depressed lately because so many babies on this thread seem to now crawl, cruise, stand, say mama, etc and my baby doesn't even get to all 4s. It is GREAT that all of your babies are so "on track" and "ahead" and active but for me personally it has been hard to log in everyday and feel like my baby is so behind.  It doesn't matter how intellectually sane I am about knowing that all babies do things in there own time...I just feel that most of you have "passed us by".  I am struggling to relate and to not feel sad about these things.  It is not that "the grass is always greener" thing, it is that what I loved was that we all seemed to be in the same "place" with our babies and now not so much.  I mean I wonder if Eirwen even knows her name...

I think for me to get confident in Eirwen and what we are doing and loving my baby I'm going to sign off this thread for awhile. I'll still be around moderating and you guys can always send me PM's and I'm sure I'll be PM'ing some of you, hope you all understand.  I'll still post new video and pics too on Jusspress.com  With PPD it is just the place I am in right now.  I need to love where Eirwen and I are and it is hard to do that coming here- for right now at least.

(((HUGS))) with LOVE
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Post by: thitz on October 02, 2005, 01:05:55 am
Christine, I haven't tried cottage cheese.  But my cousin gives it to her 9 month old and she likes it a lot.  I think she mixes it with potato.

Okay, I'm only on page 70 but my eyes are going buggy and I want to write about us so...

Us, we went on a 2.5hr car trip to Montreal yesterday to see Emily's great aunt and uncle.  I turned it into a 3 hour trip cause I missed the turn off just when she started sleeping and of course Emily woke when we stopped and started crying hard.  So we had to stop at the donut shop to give Emily a break and gave 1/2 dose of Advil and thankfully she slept for the last hour.  Also by some miracle she had an afternoon nap there even when their phone rang beside her head and the cookoo clock went off!  Oh my God, I didn't realize how noisy people's houses can be.  Anways she ended up being super happy baby all day cause of loads of attention.

Also I wanted to share that our napping is going really well these days.  I hope this gives some hope to everyone.  We went thru a good month of rough naps but we seem to have it sorted out most days now.  pu/pd doesn't seem to work still but what I find is that if she has the energy to do pu/pd for 30 mins then obviously she's not that tired.  So I kept extending her A time until she finally started going back to sleep at the 45 mins. mark.  Also I load her up on solids before her afternoon nap cause she's always starved when she wakes up from that one.

Good luck with your day/nights everyone!  Tarri
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Post by: sedona314 on October 02, 2005, 02:40:56 am
Tammy:  I want to cut out the DF now too.  Please keep me posted on how it is going as I havent started yet.

Heather: How did you get Kelsey to sleep from 8 to 8. OMG that is so great.  I havent been able to get Matty past 7 and lately its been 6:00!

I also give Matty toys in his high chair while I am preparing the food, then take them from him for eating and give back when done.  this works well for us.


Everyone:  I havent read through all the posts yet but will get back to it when I get a chance.  I just had to tell everyone that Matty has a new thing.  He Poops, yes poops at every nap.  EVERY NAP.  So the last week, at least one of the naps, and often all three (we still do late catnap) he wakes up at the 1 hr or 1 hr 15 min mark with poopy diaper.  Today I was so excited cause he slept the two hours during the second nap, but sure enough, poopy drawers again!  Never heard of a baby doing this! and in the mornings, He has a tiny bit of poop in his diaper too!  I think thats why he's been getting up at 6:00 these days.  How can such a little guy poop that much?!

I think its too funny, but it is interfering with nap time!

Just had to share.

More responses when I get the time to read everyone's posts.

Branwen, if you are reading this, Eirwin is just perfect and doing fine.  Hang in there.  We'll be here for you when you are ready to come back.

Julie
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Post by: julieb on October 02, 2005, 05:16:17 am
Branwen:  I am sad!  I will miss you and Eirwen!!  :cry:  But I very much understand!  I felt like I needed to tuck myself away from all the other "gerber" babies when I was trying to deal with Asher in those hard early months.  Take care of yourselves and drop us an update every once in a while if you can!

JulieG:
  Some days I think there's more coming OUT of Asher than what goes in.   :roll:   He poos 5-6 times a day.  3 of those are before he even makes it to his morning nap!  :shock:   Must be all that ruffage!  :lol:
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Post by: Jaime on October 02, 2005, 13:33:11 pm
blah....i am so depressed.  all these napping shenanagains have resulted in nightwakings!  luke was up 4 times last night.  :shock:

i just wish i could figure out what is going on with him.  he now wakes from every nap screaming and nothing i can do seems to extend the afternoon nap.  he just screams at me and thrashes around if i pick him up, if i lay him down, or if i just stand there quietly next to him. 

i suspect teething cause he keeps chomping on his fingers... but see no signs in his mouth.

i suspect his body has hit a growth spurt & is getting used to more solids, so his digestive system may be a bit unsettled.  he has had 2 poopy diapers within an hour of waking up.

i know separation anxiety has hit with a bang.  so i try and alternate between lots of cuddle time with disappearing/reappearing, but all the crying when anybody walks away is really getting to me.

i know i just need to ride it out but all the time & effort i've had to put into sleep training this child (and dh hasn't) is getting to me.  just needed to rant.  :wink:
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Post by: dkjokisch on October 02, 2005, 13:44:10 pm
We're back, and let me just say our trip was dreadful.  We accomplished the main goal which was to introduce Maya to her namesake (dh's grandmother), but she hardly napped at all (and NEVER more than 45min), and was waking multiple times per night due to overstimulation during the day and simple exhaustion.  There was alot of "on-purpose" parenting.  Dh and I are wiped out.  We both agree it was the worst vacation we've ever had.

There were some positives (Maya did remarkably well with the crush of adoring relatives), but all in all, we are thrilled to be home.  We won't be going back anytime soon.

It looks like I've got alot to catch up on.  I'll try to read up and post back about our trip and everything else tomorrow.
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Post by: julieb on October 02, 2005, 16:48:26 pm
Why is it, the ONE day that would be okay for Asher to wake early, he sleeps in?!  Murphy's Law rules my life.  Decided to try to go to church this morning, which means I have to wake him before 7 am in order to fit in a (short) morning nap before we go.   :?   It's as if he knows!

Jaime:  :(  HUGS!!!  I was at my wits end a week ago too.  Asher was doing a lot like Luke.  Then I noticed the white spots of teeth coming!  Finally there was a reason!  Hope it passes quickly!!

Deborah:  Good to see you back!  Sorry it wasn't relaxing!  Isn't it funny when we get back from vacation and feel like we need to go on another just to recover from the last?   :wink:   We're planning a trip to Disneyland in December for 3 days.  I think it'd be okay with just the three of us.  But most of the family wants to go because it will be Asher's first time.  Can you say, "mass chaos"?  That will be REALLY interesting (shouldn't have told anyone we were going!  :lol: ).
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Post by: thitz on October 03, 2005, 00:59:23 am
Schae, I'm sending you good luck with your job search!  Dh is also searching and it looks like we might get a job offer.

Deborah, that sounds like a tough vacation.  I hope you all recover quickly!

Jamie, sounds like your having a tough time.  Hang in there!  It always seems super terrible when you're in the middle of some bad days but you'll survive.

Christine, that's awesome that Leah's napping a bit better.  Have fun on your girls night out!

Michelle, glad that Kinlagh's sleeping is going better.  I'm dreading the standing stage.

Branwen, if you're reading, I'll miss you too.  I'll send you a Pm.

Us, we had an okay day.  Went for a boat ride cause the weather was beautiful.  Gave Emily some peas in her high chair.  But she couldn't pick them up.  She's not used to having anything tiny within reach so it will take some practice.

Good night everyone!  Tarri
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Post by: HeatherC on October 03, 2005, 01:11:47 am
Jaime-I think we're in the same boat.  Kelsey has reverted back to 30 minute naps.  And, JulieG, a poop always wakes her from the first, and I just don't know about the second-probably overtired.  And she always has a poopy diaper in the morning, and it's major!   I'm about to give up on the teeth.  They still aren't appearing, and I can't see what I thought was them earlier.  She's still very crabby, but that's all I can think of.  She's practically over the runny nose, but I think that caused the nap problem.  Oh, and sep. anx, yes, we're there, too.  Dh doesnt' understand why I have a problem.  She's fine with him, but I can't seem to walk away for a second.  That's why he doesn't feel so torn down like I do right now.

Deborah-sorry about your rough time.  Hope things get back to normal.

JulieB-glad things are going better for you. 

Us-well, I'm still a bit down.  These poor naps are just ruining my happy little girl, and I'm feeling bad for not being able to cope with it better.  I got out today, because I was going to go mad if I didn't.  I actually saw a movie in the theater!  It was enough time for me to really miss her.  However, dh is not understanding and that makes me really sad.  It has nothing to do with him, or Kelsey, it's just the emotional rollercoaster that I'm on right now.  Plus, I'm feeling really bad for Branwen, and I want her to be alright.  I broke down in tears to my mom, but we were interrupted and didn't get to really talk.  However, she assures me that things will get better and this, like all the crying in the beginning, will be a distant memory.  So, chin up, and lets "re-start" tomorrow!
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Post by: julieb on October 03, 2005, 03:21:26 am
Heather:  BIG HUG to you!!  I hope tomorrow is better.  You know, I don't think you're crazy about the teeth.  I've heard from several people about teeth appearing and disappearing.  All of Asher's teeth start out as a white dot, sometimes I can even feel the tip, then they go away for a few days as the gums swell around them and reappear later.  I actually asked a dentist about this because I thought I was seeing things, but he confirmed that it was normal!   :?
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Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 03, 2005, 08:42:56 am
Heather - I can totally relate to what you were saying about the emotional roller coaster you feel you are on.  I LOVE Daniel so so so so much but then there are days when I just feel really fed up and hacked off that I just have to stay in all day and don't even get to talk to anyone.  The other day my dh got in from work and I was feeling really down.  It was only then that I realised I literally hadn't seen or spoken to anyone all day :x   (other than Daniel!)  It really takes it's toll after a while doesn't it?  My dh does try really hard to understand but it's just difficult for them to appreciate how hard it is to be in our shoes.
I guess that's why I enjoyed my 'day off' the other day when my sister and her hubby took Daniel for the whole day.  Just not having to think about all his needs constantly was bliss.  I did a lot of 'spur of the moment things' just because it's so difficult to do those normally now.
I'm glad you got to go out to see a film anyway.  It does make you miss your lo and enjoy being with them agian that little bit more.
I read a great book recently called 'The sixty minute mother' by Rob Parsons.  A short very easy to read book about being a mum.  Would recomend it to anyone.  Just helped me to refocus a little and take stock of life.

Julieb - I know just waht you mean about ds always wanting to sleep in when you want them to wake up and then vice versa.  We go to church every week and the service  starts at 10am.  Like you this means getting him up and then back to bed for a short nap all before about 9.45 (when he'd usually only just have gone down for his nap!).  He seems to cope so well though.  And he is so loved at church that it seems a shame to miss it!  I think actually he has more friends than me :shock:  :lol:
Oh, I love the new photo - very sweet.

Us - Not much to report really (!) other than we are having a nightmare now trying to brush Daniel's teeth.  As soon as he sees the brush coming anywhere near him he clamps his mouth colosed and that is it :evil:   Once we manage to prise his jaw open he then sticks his tongue out so you can't get even near his teeth.  Oh well.  He has his first appointment with the dentist in a couple of weeks so we'll have to see what they suggest.  Has anyone else taken their lo to the dentist?  When my dh phoned up to make Daniel an appointment the dentist was really surprised that we hadn't already been!!!  He said the sooner the better - just to get them used to the place.  Makes sense I guess.
Daniel has his 8month check up this Thursday so that should be fun. 

Hopping everyone has a good day
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Post by: herbst99 on October 03, 2005, 10:30:23 am
Hi all - Seems like NAPS FROM HELL is the topic
I have been having such a hard time with Lise also - she is napping x3 times a day for 30min each and it is a STRUGGLE to get her down - Usually I would put her down - lovey and dummy - handon her back and she sleeps. But BOY have she changed!! (nighttime still good - keep your fingers crossed it will stay that way!!)
I can FORGET about trying to extend and I am EXHAUSTED trying to cope with this super cranky  baby. Anyway - needless to say EASY is out the window!!
Also ... I have been a bad mom - We went away to my family's holiday house for the weekend. Took Lise's large carry cot as it is easier than the camp cot. Last night I got her to sleep at 7:00 - I had put the carry cot on the bed as it is easier for my back. So of to sleep she went and I had left the room. 10min later I hear this HEARTSTOPPING cry and - YES she had crawled out and fell nfrom the bed and was on the floor!!! I was soooo shocked. She's FINE except for some carpet burns on her nose!! I feel so bad! I except that these things will happen but ooh boy - I don't like it.
Anyway -
Michelle the babies utilize this reflex to maintain posture and basic functional movement. We still have this reflex as adults!! You can search the net for more detail or pm me and I will give more info.
that is that from us.
Bye for now
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 03, 2005, 11:59:47 am
Nikki - how is the DF reduction plan going?  we are going to try to start in a couple of weeks as Dh is loathe to continue any longer.  he wants to start going to bed at 10 or earlier.

Julieb - i would definitely let the morning nap naturally shorten and afternoon one lengthen as this is the normal progession as they get closer to 1 nap.

Heather - i am sorry you are having a rough time with naps and touchiness. i don't have anything except a hug to offer - i hope things improve!! i think it is important for you to get out soem more.  i have started really making an effort and when olivia first started cutting her naps to 45 min i realised that i could stay at home and struggle to try to extend or i can accept that 45 min is ok too (or 30 for you) and get out with her for MY sake - just leaving the house can recharge you to fac the next nap cycle.

Schae - i really hope you get the job!! i know what a difference it will make in your life and wish you all the best! let us know when you hear...
BTW we have a cap of 1GB!!! the next plan up is quite a bit more for unlimited and we only really need that when Dh works from home a lot or we do a lot of webcam family "visits"

Tarri - glad to hear you are doing so well! after a bumpy nap time you deserve it (we all do but you know what i mean...)

jaime - hugs to you too - has anything improved yet with Luke?

Deborah -welcome back!  i wish you could have had a better trip - i know how exhausting that is!! you need to schedule your next break as just the 3 of you!

Hazel - i am so shocked that your dentist thought 8 mo was late to be coming in for the first time - alex is 27 mo old and has never been to the dentist.  no one has ever mentioned to me that it was necessary at this stage... will have to look into it.

Us - well we are having a mixed time.  naps are better some of the time - lately she has herself extended morning nap a few times  to 1 1/2 hrs (today i actually woke her up from 1st nap at 10:20  :oops: so we could get to the beach because i had expected her to do 45 min and it was getting hot and i worried she woudl need lunch if we did not get there soon...)

my big problem is food - i cannot seem to figure out the right amounts of food / timings so that she gets everything in.  she has cut right back on her bottles (the other day was so bad that 5 1/2 oz / 160 ml was her biggest feed of the day and she woke at 9:30 hungry before Df and because we fed that early she woke at 6 the next morning!!)
 she just seems to prefer solids now and i can't figure out how to get her to have both solids and milk.  i have tried doing solids first and then waiting anywhere from 1-2 hrs to do bottle.  i have done bottle / solids / bottle; and yesterday we tried dropping the 11am bottle hoping if she ate lots of solidfs at 11 and then had bottle at 3 she would be happy (we ended up having to give her bottle at 1:30 because she would not go down for her nap without more food)

any suggestions???
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on October 03, 2005, 12:15:00 pm
Debra DF cutting back is going OK - We are now at 125ml at 9:00 ... down from 200ml ...
What has happend the 3 times we decreased amount and made the time earlier was she woke up at 2/3/2 am .... but this was just a quick settle - could be just a coincidence also.
Tonight we will decrease to 8:30 and 100ml so - keep thumbs crossed
Lise weighs - 8.8 kg = around 19pounds
She now eats - 4 bottles of 200ml plus DF 100ml and 3 meals of 2-3 tablespoons. I hope to get her bottles down to 800ml untill she is 8 months and will then increase food and introduce meat, diary etc and then decrease bottle to 600ml. She is UNFORTUNATLY an eater like her mom and will eat untill I stop giving her food so I cannot really offer any advice! Just remember when chosing between BOTTLE and SOLIDS -  bottle will rule untill 1 year - so rather have her get her formula than solids. (hope this makes sence!)
Nikki
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 03, 2005, 12:34:28 pm
thanks Nikki.  the problem is - even if i dont give solids she does not increase the bottle.  she will take 4 oz or less then have a break and then i have to offer it several times to get a total of between 5-6 oz (140-170ml).  she had, up until last week, been taking between 5-8 oz but now rarely goes over 6. i feel we have taken a big step backwards. 

solids she will gobble up 3-5TBS / oz per feed and sometimes could devour more (minimum she takes is 3 TBS usually 4)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 03, 2005, 14:15:16 pm
Well, I have alot to catch up on, but first, some Happy Maya News...

She is now waving at people who wave at her.  (She's actually been doing this for awhile, but I think she was just flailing her arms at times, not intentionally waving.)

She actively participates in peekaboo - if I lay a blanket or a burp cloth on her lap, she will hold it in front of her face until I say, "Where's Maya?"

She is actually trying to crawl.  She hasn't managed to get up on all fours yet (or even move by dragging herself - she gets caught up on her own legs), but she has finally figured out that there are interesting things outside of arm's reach.

Vidya - Loved the photos.  Sorry to hear about your scare.  I hope all is well now.

Christine - If you're interested in making your own baby food, check out http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com

Jaime - I read Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child too, and I agree with Julie's assessment.  However, I did find some useful tidbits, like keeping the first awake interval short when you're first trying to establish a nap schedule.

JulieG - We are in Jacksonville, Florida.  We moved here last summer when dh finished grad school.  Maya's favorite CD is Beach Boys, Songs of Summer.  In the car one day, I discovered that "Kokomo" can calm her down from the hysterical screaming state.  We also have Muppets and TMBG.  Our public library has a pretty good selection of music (and DVDs - you can't beat free movies), so I have been checking out kids stuff to find one she likes (and we can tolerate).  There's a John Lithgow one that was pretty good.  I think I was called Singing in the Bathtub?

Michelle - Maya doesn't have eczema, but I am prone to the broken blood vessels, so I presume she got it from me.  I have several of the starburst pattern ones on my legs.  They got really visible when I was preg.  Hope your week went ok without dh.  My dh is going to San Diego in a few weeks for a conference, and I dread the thought of no one to talk to for three days.

On the walker thing - Following up on what Branwen said, I don't want to be alarmist, but per our ped (and another doctor/mom friend), the reason they no longer rec them (beyond the safety issue) is that the babies can "walk" without seeing their legs and understanding how the whole balance/motion thing coordinates together.  They don't learn how to balance themselves, and for some kids, it will delay walking on their own.  That said, we got a walker as a hand-me-down, so we just took the wheels off and call it her stander.

Deb - Let me ponder the food thing.  Maya's been going through a weird phase too.  She has about double her solids intake over the space of a few days.

Will have to post back later about our trip...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 03, 2005, 14:55:46 pm
Julieb- LOVE your new avatar! I struggle with the church thing too. Our service is at 8:30 and I usually put DD down for a nap around 9. Any advice?

Jaime- Yes, I put lots of effort into sleep training too, and DH "claims" he doesn't know how, that's why he can't help. MEN!

Heather - Hang in there. Remember some days are going to be rough. We had a horrible WEEK two weeks ago where the sitter couldn't even lay Leah down for a nap becuase she would scream. Now we're doing well again. It's so up and down with these kids! This will eventually be a distant memory. Go back and read our posts in the locked thread. I did one day and had a good laugh! None of us were getting more than 20-30 minutes at that point!

Hazel- I am SO bad with brushing teeth,  :shock: I need to really get better at it! I forget all the time!

Nikki- Now you can join the club!  :wink: Leah fell off the bed a few weeks back also. Isn't it such a heartstopping event? You feel like such a terrible mother, but you're not. It happens to lots of people, see!

Deb - We're having the opposite problem, DD wants her bottle now and doesn't want purred food, only finger food. She'll refuse solids, but down her bottle an hour later.  :? I really need to drop a bottle as she is still getting 5 bottles a day: 5,9, 1, 4, and 7. So after she has her 4:00 bottle she isn't hungry for supper at 6. We offer her bottle 1 1/2 - two hours after solids, except at night. Solids at 6, bottle at 7. Hasn't Olivia always hated the bottle? Have your tired to put milk in her sippy cup? I keep thinking about how in 4 months we can get rid of the bottle. Kind of scary!  :shock: Leah only takes 6 ounces at each feeding too. How many onces a day does she take? How much solid food is she eating?

Deborah - Our sitter has a walker that she took the wheels off of also! I don't have a walker, but my mother does and Leah uses it when she is there. It is contained in the kitchen and she can't get anywhere else.

Anyone know the total number of ounces of formula and solid foods our kiddos should be eating right now?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 03, 2005, 19:01:06 pm
Deb: I'm reading a 4 to 3 bottles thread on the solids board, I think.  Some people dropped the 11, switched to 3 at wake, 1:30 ish and bed -- basically breakfast, lunch, dinner.  Sounds like she's ready to drop a bottle and by the sounds of the other moms, it takes a couple days to get on track.  When we drop, I have a feeling it will be the 4 pm BF instead.
BTW, I don't think people do the dentist here in the US until 2 or 3 yrs.

Christine: No advice since I'm sure you can't get her to sleep in!   :lol:   Ours is at 10:30, and I put Asher down at 9:30.  But I have to wake him by 10 in order to BF and drive to church.  So I woke him early and put him down at 9 in order to have an hour nap.  I figure he takes short naps (on his own) and manages to hold his own for 3 hours, so why not when I wake him?  :wink:   But I didn't give him teething tablets and he woke on his own anyway after 50 minutes.  He did really well yesterday.  Poor guy, I actually think I see another tooth on its way, that makes 5 teeth he's trying to cut all at once!  He's been such a trooper considering!   
I've read they should be taking in around 24-32 oz right now.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 03, 2005, 19:09:35 pm
I asked at my 6mos cleaning a few weeks ago.  My dentist recommended starting to brush once her four front teeth are in  and bringing Maya in for a check-up when she was 3 or 4.  The hygenist also suggested bringing her with to our appts when she's a little older so she can see the office and see one of us get our teeth worked on before it's her turn.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 03, 2005, 19:21:27 pm
Debra - i remember reading several posts by maddy's mum about how she would mix the milk into all her solids and increase her intake that way.  she'd put it into everything - cereal, veggies, etc.  think julieb may be on the right track with dropping a bottle too...

Christine - my dh has no excuse - he already knows about sleep training - but he's never here!!  i'm the one home with luke in the afternoon, and i am frequently the one who puts him to bed, and always the one woken up at night - i swear that man can sleep through anything!  it's just exhausting and we did fight about it.  :oops:  he was very understanding though and will be helping more on the weekends.   :wink:

re the amount of milk & solids... you probably shouldn't see too much decrease in her overall amount of milk quite yet - just the addition of more solids.  some babies never really get into pureed foods - if she's that attracted to finger foods i'd say go for it!  :D  as they get closer to a year the amount of milk starts to drop as they start to get more nutrition from table foods.

Deborah - glad to see you back!  sorry your trip was lousy, and hope it will soon just be a distant memory for you.  yay on the waving!!

Julieb - new avatar is adorable!!! 

Us - still in nap no-man's-land.  took 45 minutes to get him down today.  i finally tied his blanket loveys around his hands.  between that and being totally worn out he finally settled.  i have no idea for how long yet - only been about half an hour so far.  i think i've narrowed it down to separation anxiety and developmental mobility.  any tips on how to encourage a baby who hates his tummy on moving - crawling, rolling or whatever?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 03, 2005, 22:52:52 pm
Jaime:  I'm no expert, but here's a couple ideas.  Can Luke sit up?  Have you tried putting toys/things he REALLY wants nearby so he has to lunge for them?  Like the remote control or phone?   :lol:   If he's on his tummy, have you tried getting down on the ground with him on your tummy as well?  Sometimes they think its funny enough to distract them while they're on their tummies a bit.  Also put REALLY attractive things nearby to encourage scooting.  The first thing Asher ever moved toward was the sound machine in his crib (promptly took it out after that!).

Honestly though, Asher only tolerated about 5 minutes of tummy time at a time before he became profficient at rolling from back to tummy.  And I honestly don't know why or how he started rolling back to tummy when he didn't even like being on his tummy.  He just started arching and trying one day while on his back, so I helped and then praised him.  Once he mastered rolling both ways, I noticed he seemed a lot more satisfied playing on his tummy (since he could control where and how long!).
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 04, 2005, 00:53:52 am
Debra, I just wanted to share that Emily still typically drinks 4-6oz a bottle.  I would stuff Olivia up with lots of solids before any naps where she usually wakes particularly hungry.  That's what I do with Emily's afternoon nap, I give 4 tbsp rice cereal (that's before water added) plus 2 cubes veg. at 12:45 and I put her down for nap around 1:30-2:00. 

JulieB, I love Asher's froggy costume!

Jamie, Emily also doesn't like tummy time.  She often cries at first but I distract her with toys and songs.  But she will stay on her tummy for about 15mins after her morning nap on our bed...I think cause she's well rested and has an empty tummy.

Us, just a regular day.  And we had our second bath in the big tub!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 04, 2005, 00:56:26 am
Debra-that is perplexing.  I was doing solids then bottle, but it got to where Kelsey was only drinking 2-3 oz.  So for a while now, I have been giving the bottle first, and she drinks all of it.  However, I am only offering 3-4 oz of solids or she is too full at the next bottle time.  I'm trying to make sure she has 24-28 oz of formula/ day for now.  I was worried she would get dehydrated.  Since many of the lo's here seem to being going through this, maybe it's a phase from such a keen interest in this new, great tasting stuff.  :?:
Deborah-yay for Maya!  She and Kelsey are milestone buddies!
Leah-our ped recommended 24-32 (for big eaters) oz of milk/day followed up with up to 4 oz of solids per meal.  Happy 8 monthday to Leah tomorrow.  I have to admit that I'm scared to not have the bottle to rely on for feeding after a year.  I just hope she's a good eater without it.
JulieB-I think I've been reading a simliar or the same thread about dropping to 3 bottles.  Since Kelsey tends to take her least at 4:00, that's the bottle I plan to drop first and replace it with a snack, then dinner at 5:30.  I think I'll try it around 9 months.  Love the avatar, too!
Jaime-Kelsey loathes being on her tummy.  However, she is lunging forward with what I think is an attempt to crawl from a sitting position.  Even if she doesn't do that, she manages to move around her blanket quite a bit just from going back and forth from being on her hands and sitting back on her bottom.  Still, she's very dissatisfied and she lets me  know it!
Me-thanks again for all of the support.  I must say that today was wonderful, and it really got me back to a "happy place" with my baby.  Our God is awesome, and He has really helped me through this.  Also, my improved attitude must have shone through and dh is being a bit nicer.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 04, 2005, 01:13:04 am
Jaime:  Hugs, I totally understand the frustration.  Matty didnt like tummy time at all at first either.  I tried putting his favorite toys in front of him also, and left him on his tummy in short increments.  Also, what does a super moderator do?

Julie:  Love the costume.  We tried putting Matty in a Pooh costume and he looked so cute but he hated it!  and would barely give me time to snap a picture.  Then we couldnt get the friggin' thing off his head and for a minute, I thought I was going to have to cut the costume off.  How nice that you got a smiley happy picture with Asher in his.  I already returned the costume so I guess we'll try again next year  :lol:

Deborah:  Sorry the trip was so rough.  Glad youre back and Im waiting to hear all the details.  THat is awesome about Maya waving and playing peekaboo. 

Heather:  Glad you are doing better!

Tarri:  Good luck on husband's job offer!
Hazel:  Are the lo's supposed to go to the dentist with only two teeth? Thats all Matty has at this point.

Nikki: Glad Lise is okay. 

Schae:  Good luck with the job search

Debra: Wish I could help on the food situation but I am still figuring out how to get everything in for Matty.  The only difference is he seems to be happy to take the bottle even more than the food. sometimes he wont eat  solids but he'll take the bottle.  As long as she is getting enough food, I think you're okay.  Sorry I dont have more to offer on that.

Christine and everyone:  Matty is getting four bottles a day plus DF.  He is taking 6 to 8 oz per bottle.  He eats about 4 to 6 oz solids per meal three times a day. sometimes he doesnt want the solids and will take more bottle.  If anyone else is making their own baby food, I would love to compare notes. Im running out of ideas and feel like I keep feeding him the same things. 


US:  Matty just learned yesterday to pull himself up and stand in the crib.  Im glad he's doing well developmentally but not so glad for other reasons. He doesnt know how to get back down so he screams and cries, until we come back in and help him down.  He gets really scared when he is standing up, but the second we put him back down he gets up again!  It is taking 30 or 40 minutes to get him down for a nap or bedtime!  Hope he figures out how to get down!


Glad to know everyone else is pooping a lot too! LOL

Julie: are you immunizing at all and if so, when and what?

Julie G "senior" mommy
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 04, 2005, 01:17:37 am
I need help again with the avatar.   I only have microsoft digital image pro on this computer and it is hard to use for resizing pictures.  it wont give the pixel size until after you save it on your computer and even then I cant get pics down to the size I need for the avatar.  THe pic i am using was just lucky and I havent been able to size another one since then!What software is everyone using on their computers?  It seems like everyone is able to post new pics but moi. 

Help!

Julie G.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 04, 2005, 04:33:36 am
JulieG, I'm making Asher's food.  I've only introduced one food a week, so we've only tried 8 foods so far.  Not much to choose from!   :lol:   But now that he's 8 months, I'm going to shorten it to every 4 days since the intestines are supposed to be fully mature by now.

Meals get very boring because of the 8 foods, he only likes 4-5.  I give 2-3 different foods at each meal, so I often have to repeat throughout the day.  Also, I try to get at least one pear in him a day to keep things flowing, so it seems like he eats it all the time!

On the foods he doesn't like, I have to mix with something else, such as avocado and yams or brown rice/millet cereal with bananas/pears/yams, etc.  I also try to have at least one finger food a day, though I'm doing it at almost every meal now because he enjoys it so much more.  Today looked like this (eats about 3-4 oz per meal):
Breakfast: spaghetti squash (new food of the week), bananas, pears, and banana & pear chunks
Lunch: yams, yam & avocado mixed, whole peas
Dinner: pear & millet mixed, more whole peas, pear chunks

I'm so excited!  Tonight I found plain puffed brown rice cereal that I can use instead of cheerios since I'm waiting on wheat until after 1 year.  I'll try that tomorrow as well as peaches.   :D 

Re: immunizations...We're not going to vaccinate at all.  So Asher's never had any shots besides a vitamin K shot at birth (which I stubbornly permitted because of any breech c-section trauma).  You have Stephanie Cave's book, right?  I thought her schedule and suggestions in the back were really good (especially about testing the tiers before boosters). 

Re: avatar sizing...I use photoshop.  Does it give you resolution and/or inch dimensions?  I can convert for you.  At 72 dpi, the dimensions are maximum 1.667 x 2.292 in.  If you want, you can PM me the photo you want to use and I'll crop it for you like I did for Vidya.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 04, 2005, 14:50:53 pm
Ok, so about our trip.  It was just dreadful in so many ways.  There was a constant onslaught of friends (of MIL) and relatives.  I don't know about you guys, but I don't feel obligated to parade my daughter for people I don't even know.  Dh and I have been married for five years.  If in five years, I've never met them, how close can they be?  It felt like Maya was the main attraction at a petting zoo.

At home, we usually eat with Maya at the table, but MIL kept planning meals for her nap/bedtime.  Since she was refusing to settle for naps and we had to go in and resettle at bedtime, I didn't get a hot meal the first three days we were there.

After three days, we gave up on trying to put her down for proper naps, and just held her when she started to get drowsy and tried to put her down when she fell asleep.  We were lucky to get two 30-45min naps per day.  This of course led to night wakings.  So dh and I were getting no sleep.  There is no heat/air in her house either, so the bedrooms were pretty stuffy at night, which didn't help.  Of course, MIL has an AC unit in her bedroom, so she slept through all of Maya's screaming, and could not understand why we were not well-rested.

I also felt very self-conscious about bfing.  They have been asking since Maya was 3wks how long I planned to bf.  I get the impression that down there, you only bf if you can't afford formula.  It's just very awkward.

There were so many eye-popping comments/incidents - I could fill pages, but this one pretty much sums up our week.  We made plans to have lunch with dh's grandmother at her club on Friday.  She knows everyone there, and we thought she might like to show off her great-granddaughter.  Technically, MIL was not invited, though she was welcome to join us.  We were standing the door, ready to leave, when MIL comes out in her bathrobe, announcing that she had changed the location, changed the time, and needed to get showered before we could go.  Now all of you know that babies (esp the touchy variety like Maya) do not do well sitting around for 45min waiting.  By the time we go to the restaurant, she was getting pretty cranky.  And MIL had chosen a place that was completely inappropriate for children.  (There was no changing table in the restroom, and MIL actually suggested that I change her on an empty table.)

Thankfully, though, dh has promised that we don't have to go back for at least two years.  And since I am usually the one who suggests going in the first place, I told him that if I start to forget how bad it was and suggest (out of moral obligation) that we go for a visit, he is to say, "Woman, are you daft?!"  And there are a number of things that we have agreed that we will never do/allow again.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 04, 2005, 15:13:48 pm
JulieG - I make most of Maya's food.  She eats prunes, pears, applesauce (regular people kind, but unsweetened), bananas, peaches, raisins, peas, green beans, acorn squash, sweet potatoes, and carrots (only baby food kind due to nitrate concerns).  Everything is pureed, though I am starting to add more texture.  She also eats rice, oatmeal, and barley cereals - all the baby kind, but I am going to start grinding oats for her when this box is gone.  She also eats Cheerios.

Other fruits and vegetables on our list to try include apricots, cantaloupe, avocado, mango, papaya, blueberries, raspberries, grapes, potato, parsnips, pumpkin, broccoli, cauliflower, zucchini (and other types of squash), and spinach.  We try to stick to things that are in season.  Our local grocery also has frozen fruits with no additives to get more variety.  Dried fruits (prunes, raisins, apricots) are also good if you reconstitute them in boiling water before pureeing.

For texture (and finger food), we plan to introduce other grains like couscous and well-cooked pastas (small varieties like orzo).  We are waiting until 9mos (which is actually next week) to introduce dairy (cottage cheese and yogurt) and proteins (we are going to start with chicken, tuna, and beans (lentils and other skinless or soft-skinned beans).

I found the wholesomebabyfood.com website to be helpful, and I have also found some references in the library.  Super Baby Food by Ruth Yarron (I think) was pretty good, and there are several books by Annabel Karmel.  I was reading First Meals by her last night.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 04, 2005, 15:45:43 pm
Deborah -  :shock: about your trip. Totally understand though. My MIL only ever thinks about herself. She just can't understand why we always have to leave events at 6:30. One day I was a little upset and told her that if she wants us to stay past bedtime then she can come and get up with my child in the middle of the night. She just looked at me and relplied with: Well if she stays up later then she will be more tired and sleep better, right? I tell ya!  :twisted:

Heather- Thanks and Happy 8 months to Kelsey too! I just love that they have the same birthdays!!!  :D  :D  :D

Well, I'm at work. Just wanted to pop in and say hi!  8)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 04, 2005, 17:50:28 pm
Well, after 30 mintues, I can hear Asher awake from his morning nap on the monitor.  :shock:  :?:   I'm not going in though.  We'll see if it's just a fluke and hopefully he goes back to sleep.

He slept so wonderfully last night though!  Down at 6:30 and woke a bit around 6, but just played quietly and dozed until I got him up at 7:00!   :D

And he loved peaches this morning (of course) as well as the puffed rice!  I wasn't so sure about the puffs because they taste pretty bland, but I think it was the whole novelty of finger foods.  That's also how I got him to like yams, I gave him cooked cold yam chunks as a finger food and now he'll eat them however I serve.  Maybe I should try the avocado again as finger foods instead? 

Deborah, I got overwhelmed just reading and thinking about your "vacation"!  You poor poor thing!  And Maya too!  How's she been since you got back?  Is she settling back into her routines okay or does she still seem to be recooperating as well?  I still find it absolutely dumb-founding when another MOTHER has the nerve to be so insensitive about my baby's sleep.  It's like 'invasion of the body snatchers' or something.  How could they possibly forget what it was like to raise a baby?!   :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 04, 2005, 19:39:14 pm
JulieG - i make luke's food.  however, due to 2 stomach bugs that ripped through my house, i'm only up to 5 foods.  i think- still working on whether he might be allergic or if it was just a bug that week.  i do cereal, carrots, sweet potatoes, yellow squash, and apples.  i will eventually add green beans, pears, peaches, bananas, zucchini, yogurt,  chicken, turkey and finger foods... who knows!  just remember - a baby doesn't know it's boring yet to eat the same thing for breakfast everyday - and they enjoy the novelty of food!  :wink:

a super mod is one who moderates a sleep board - i moderate the general sleep forum (branwen does too!) and the photo gallery.  i have 2 photo programs on my computer - microsoft photo editor, and jasc something or other (new program on the new computer!).  the photo editor is very simple & easy to use.  not sure if it came with our old computer or if dh downloaded it from somewhere - i know we didn't buy it.

Julieb - thanks for the tips - they all sound very logical.  won't hurt to try!
just curious - not trying to start a heated debate  :wink:  - why don't you ever want to immunize?
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How could they possibly forget what it was like to raise a baby?!
  *sigh* i'm amazed at what i forgot after i had jaina - and she's only 2!  course, i do remember things like gee, you have to get them in bed at bedtime, so i guess i'm not all gone!   :lol:  and i hope i never forget...

Deborah - wow.  what a trip!  i'm sure you're glad to be home now.  sorry things were so rough on you. 

Happy 8 months to Leah & Kelsey!!!!

Us - thanks for the activity suggestions.  glad to know i don't have the only one who hates his tummy!  currently his favorite toy is a mirror - he LOVES looking at the baby inside.  likes reaching for it too.  all we can do is try!

well, i think we've started to turn a corner.  it only took luke 30 minutes to go down today, and he wasn't screaming as hard.  course, as i type this, he's woken at the 45-min mark.   :roll: 

20 minutes later -
and 10 minutes after that...
i am wearing the carpet thin from going back and forth in his room...

goodness it's taken forever to type this!  okay, he's going again... must go soothe some more  :?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 04, 2005, 19:55:27 pm
For some reason I am having difficulty getting a jusspress site to work.  :? It takes forever to upload my pics and such. So I decided to wait to do a site until after Christmas when we get our new computer!  :D But I did want to start a site for family and friends. So I did a webpage for Leah. You can check it out:
http://ebner.gotfamiliesonline.com
You have to click on the photo galleries near the top of the page to see all photo galleries. I want to start a jusspress site too, that way I can post vidoes!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on October 04, 2005, 20:11:42 pm
Branwen: I'm sorry for the troubles you are going through, and will definitely miss you and Eirwen. Please do come back when you are ready.

Jaime: you aren't alone in the nightwakings, although Luka is waking because he isn't used to the heat here. It was 32 degrees celcius today and it's quite dry and hot at night. Last night after the 4th waking, I offerred him some water and he downed it.

Heather: Glad to hear that things are getting a bit better for you. When they don't nap properly it really puts a huge strain on you.

Deb: Only 1G!  :shock: I was also going to suggest putting the milk in her solids. In the porridge and veggies and anything else. I hope it works.

Deborah: oh the waving sounds so cute!  :shock: At your 'vacation' though. I don't understand some people... really.

JulieG: Matty is developing in leaps and bounds hey? They seem to just rush through the milestones, makes it hard to believe they were ever helpless little newborns.
About the avatar, I upload to photobucket.com and then resize the photo there, and then post it as my avatar because my photo editing software is just too confusing for me :oops:  :lol:

I also make Luka's food. We've had: pear, apple, banana, peaches, avacado, carrots, buttenut, pumpkin, gem squash, sweet potato. He also has mabela porridge in the morning, and is now on rice that I just put in the blender. We recently started on meat - chicken. But he's not enjoying it, so I think we'll give it a break for a while. He's tried so many foods because we started solids at 5 months. Went slowly from there, tried each food for 3 days at a time.

Christine: The photos are precious!

US: Thank you for the well wishes re the job. It will make a huge difference to our lives, and I'm hoping hoping hoping!  :)
Luka now pulls himself up on anything and everything, to get from our living room to the kitchen there is a little step that Luka uses as leverage to get up. This weekend we're off to buy gates because we can no longer use the couches as baby gates  :lol:

It's very hot here, and Luka is sleeping in a onesie, is it fine that I offer him water when he wakes? I'm convinced he's thirsty as he downs the bottle. Do you think he'd start waking specifically for the water?

I can't believe our babies are so big, how about we share some newborn pics (I know there is a thread like this in the lounge, but i'd love to see the jan/feb 05 babies as newborns. Anyone game?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 04, 2005, 20:26:23 pm
Great idea Schae! When I get a chance I will post Leah as a newborn.
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Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 04, 2005, 21:22:58 pm
Christine and Heather - I keep forgetting to say, your los have the same birthday as me.  My birthday is 4th Feb 1977 :D

Foods Daniel has tried - he eats almost anything now! :shock:   I started him on solids when he was nearly 4 months old and did start really slowly.  We did rice cereal for a bit and then veggies (introducing them at 4 day intervals)  Now he eats such a variety and so far has shown no allergies to anything.  For lunch today he had a mashed shepherds pie (homemade so I know what's in it) and for tea he had a cheesy pasta concoction.  I don't even bother pureeing anymore.  We just mash it all up and he eats it lumps and all.  It really does make life so much easier once they get to this stage.  In fact for tea tonight we had a pasta meal and I kept the leftovers for Daniel tomorrow :)    I never use salt in our cooking so that makes it easier.  He also loves finger foods so his desserts now are usually just small chunks of fruit (pear is his all time favourite). 

You know when you have a good few days and you find yourself just waiting for something to go wrong  :? well that is me right now.  Daniel hasn't recently made any new developmental milestones so I guess that's why.  I am dreading the standing in the cot and the crawling round when supposed to be sleeping :shock: At the moment (I know so many will hate me for posting this!) every single nap and bedtime he just falls asleep before I've even got downstairs to turn the monitor on!  I put him down wide awake and he just snuggles his lovey and then falls asleep.  Just amazes me every time.  I guess I should just enjoy it while it lasts. 

Had some friends over for a meal tonight (lady from church whose husband is away working in Africa for 3 months and her 2 sons and also my sister).  We ended up talking about logos.  One of her sons is amazing (12 years old) - you can literally name any logo and he can describe it to you.  Like every little detail!!!  Just had to share that as I found it almost scarey.  I can recognise most logos but if you actually asked me to describe it I wouldn't have a clue!  (Oh except for MacDonalds - I can spot the golden arches a mile off.)

Have chosen three of my fave piccies of Daniel when newborn.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 04, 2005, 23:52:21 pm
Heather, I'm glad you and Kelsey had a good day.  It's amazing how one good day can make all the difference.

Deborah, how would you go about grinding oats?  I too would like to make my own oat cereal, because the baby kind is getting expensive.  Also I know what you mean about waiting around for 45 mins, that's an eternity for babies!

JulieG, I make most of Emily's food, she's had carrots, peaches (bought), banana(bought), tomato, rutabaga, gr. beans, potato, yam, baby cereals (rice,oat and 3grain), plum, apple.  She gets oats and apple for dinner everyday because she gobbles it up and has no patience at that time of day for vegetables.

For those cutting out df, for a few weeks now I've been giving Emily 4oz at 8:30 latest and she sleeps till 6:30.  I don't think I'll be cutting the df out though for awhile since she has her dinner early at 5:45.  Also it's easy for me to give since it's so early.

Us, I saw a mommy deer and two baby deers in our yard this morning, they were just walking around muching on leaves. 

Emily's second nap is shortening again.  But she seems to be fairly happy for most of the afternoon, so I can't complain.

Tomorrow I'm getting my hair cut.  This will be the first time in about a year.  When I was pg I was afraid to go cause I didn't want to bend back while they do the shampoo cause I thought it would make the baby uncomfortable.  Sounds silly now but oh I can't wait to get it all chopped off.

Good night everyone!  Tarri
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Post by: julieb on October 05, 2005, 04:12:35 am
Argh!  I wrote out my reply and lost it!

Anyway....

I spoke too soon on the teething.   :roll:   We had a really bad nap day (by our standards).  Although it could have been much worse.  He went down for bedtime well and haven't heard from him, so I guess he's making up for it.  And he was surprisingly in good spirits during A times.  He's got two more bottom teeth that cut through to show for it though!  Still waiting on those top two to come through.

I'm worried that Asher may have had a reaction to the squash, so I'm taking a step back and will try it again when this current diaper rash clears up.  Although, it could be a teething rash as well.  It's just not clearing up as quickly as the others. 

Jaime: Yeah, I'm sure I'll forget a lot about Asher as a baby (already have  :shock: ), but like you said, there's some things I don't think I could ever forget.  Common sense stuff like bedtimes, naps, and being in public with a baby.   :roll:
We decided not to vaccinate because the potential risks outweight the potential benefits in our situation.  DH has adult ADHD and because of the possible link between ADHD and childhood vaccinations, we don't want to take our chances with Asher.  We have no way of controlling how his body will react to a vaccine, but we CAN control his exposure to these infectious diseases (to a degree).

Schae:  I'd worry about the bottle of water becoming a prop to soothe himself back to sleep.  What's the temp there at night?  Do you have A/C?  It's much hotter here and about 77~78 (25 degC) in the house at night.  We have no need to give water at night here.
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Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 05, 2005, 08:45:50 am
schae - i woudl give the botle of water (maybe 100ml?) on very hot nights if that is causing the waking. don't worry about dehydration otherwise (if gets thirsty it will cause the waking and you can give water - no problem)  We did this with alex (breastfeeds at first) her first summer and she was 6-10 mo - she never woke looking for a drink except when it got bad (her room would sometimes be 30C because we had no aircon and could not cool it down)  Those nights were very stressful and i woudl call my mother in NY crying because i was scared she would die form the heat...she was fine and like i said, just hydrate if he wakes.

Us - We have had a great couple of days (still working on the food thing though) and amazingly Olivia took a 2hr 15 min afternoon nap today from 1:30-3:45pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yipee! i think it is the first one since 5 mo??

that is all i have to say for now  :lol:  am off to do bed and bath routine. it is stinking hot here this evening (it seemd to get hotter after 3pm strangely  :roll: )

also - my PPD support group starts tomorrow which is good but it also means olivia is starting daycare for the first time (both girls will go on Thursdays from 9-12:30 for the next 10 weeks - yikes)
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Post by: dkjokisch on October 05, 2005, 12:19:29 pm
Ok, I tried to post photos last night and again this morning, but the site isn't cooperating.  It just idles.  I'll have to try again later.

JulieB - It wasn't just MIL, but we just spent the most time with her as we were staying at her house.  At least FIL offered to sit up in the middle of the night with her when we went to the beach with him.  The problem is they don't see her often enough so she is not comfortable enough with them that they can calm her down.  The one night she wouldn't even settle for dh.

She is settling back in, but slowly.  She goes down fairly well for her naps (but only with the pacifier, which I am not wild about), but we're lucky to get one good nap (> 1hr) per day.  She's having trouble resettling at the 45min mark.  And after a week of pretty much no independent play and being held all the time, she is very clingy.  She cried while I used the bathroom this morning, even though she was still in sight of me.

Tarri - Super Baby Food has some info about making your own cereal.  It was a bit more involved than I was looking for, but I was just planning on buying a container of quick-cooking oats and grinding them in the food processor or the small jar attachment for my blender.  I was going to do whole rolled oats (which is what I eat), but dh pointed out that the quick cook ones might be easier to digest and definitely quicker to prepare.  I'll let you know how it goes.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 05, 2005, 15:49:12 pm
Well, I lost my post, too, when I hit "submit", so I'll try again.
Debra-I think it might be a good thing for you to have the girls in daycare to give you a break.  I hope the support group works out for you.  Keep us posted.
JulieG-yikes, the standing up but can't get down sagga!  Good luck.  Maybe Michelle can offer advice.
Christine-my computer stalls when I try to visit your website, but I'll keep trying.  I'm sure it's great.
Me-well, I offered pieces of banana this morning, and she gagged.  I was bummed because I waited days for them to ripen, only to have it wasted.  I'll try again I guess.  My next attempts at finger foods I think will be rice cakes and pancakes or waffles.  I am making chicken and dumplings in the slow cooker tonight, so I might mash some up and let her try that.  You'll be proud that I'm diving in, and now giving her whole veggie puffs!
I love everyone's pictures.  Here's some of Kelsey.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 05, 2005, 16:46:10 pm
One more try...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 05, 2005, 16:49:43 pm
Just to show how tiny she was (about 5lbs in this picture)...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 05, 2005, 16:56:31 pm
And now (at ~15lbs)...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 05, 2005, 17:32:40 pm
Well, despite the bad nap day yesterday, the night went great.  He woke 'singing' around 6:30 but I didn't get him up until 7:00.  :D   So far so good today.  And the diaper rash is gone so I'll try the squash again tomorrow.

Christine:  I think the JussPress site is having problems because I tried uploading last night and this morning and none of the videos have showed up on my site.  I just emailed tech support.  So it may not be your computer after all.  BTW, I tried to check your site last night (the other one), and I couldn't get it to come up.  I'll try again later today.

Heather:  Keep trying!  :wink:   It took a few tries for Asher to figure it out.  You could try squishing them a little between your fingers and then give her one to get used to the lumpiness.

Love all the photos!  It's so fun to see "then and now"!
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Post by: Schae on October 05, 2005, 19:01:12 pm
I'm loving the pics! I can't believe how tiny our lo's were. Awwww!

Deb: I think the daycare idea is a good one, you'll get some quality time with yourself and that can't be anything but good.  :)

Deborah: Poor Maya  :( I hope she settles in soon. I can't believe how tiny she was! Was she prem?

Heather: How did the dumplings go? Luka LOVES dumplings, we only gave them to him coz he cried when we ate them and didn't give him any.

Us: Thanks for the water advice. Julieb, it was 30 degrees celcius here last night, and dry dry dry, we're hoping for rain (and it's threatening tonight Yay!) And today was was 32 degrees, and it's only October, I'm scared of what December is going to be like.

Here are a couple of Luka pics:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 05, 2005, 19:32:18 pm
Hi Everyone,

Here's some young Emily pics.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 05, 2005, 19:53:32 pm
Thanks for trying to visit my site everyone. Something is going on because I can't get on either. I wanted to upload more pics last night and couldn't.  :( I'll let you all know when I can get back on. The newborn pics are great!!! I'll put ours on when I get home tonight.

We had our first choking experience last night!  :shock: I gave DD a chunk of banana that was obviously too large. She started to choke and I actually had to pick her up and hit her on the back. The banana chunk came flying out. Scary!!!!!!!! She just smiled though.  :)

Schae- Too funny about your weather becuase we are actually having flood warnings right now! We live by a lake and I had to take a different road to work today becuase the lake water was over the road!  :shock: It seems so weird to me that you are entering your hot season (right?) and we are entering our cold season!
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Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 05, 2005, 20:16:08 pm
A little too crazy to be able to reply to everyone.  Hope you and your lovely babies are doing well this week.

You may have seen my post in the nap section.  As you may remember, Kinlagh started standing in her crib (and everywhere else) which we were battling last week at nap and bedtime.  Well now add in a cold and teething and you can just imagine right?  All 3 of us are sick here.  Dh stayed home from work Monday & Tuesday so he got to witness how crazy things were while he was away.  Kinlagh seems to just have a stuffy nose, but those aspirators are just the worst.  She hates it!  But it's gotta be done. 

On the milestone front, we now have a stair climber and the beginnings of a cruiser.  I'm so anxious for month 8 to be over.  This is too crazy for me!

Love the pics everyone!  Hope all is well with the rest of you.  Will post a little more when I get a break.
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Post by: julieb on October 05, 2005, 21:45:45 pm
Christine: JussPress just fixed my problems.  Don't know what it was, but after a few email exchanges with tech support, I tried it again and it's back to normal.  Not sure if yours would be a similar problem.
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Post by: Jaime on October 05, 2005, 23:00:10 pm
Michelle - hope everyone gets well soon.

Schae - forgot to mention before - good luck with the job search!! 

Heather - can't believe how much hair Kelsey had when she was born!  wow!

Us - well... we may have indeed turned a corner.  after my crazy post yesterday, i finally got luke to go back to sleep.  he slept for an hour and i had to go wake him cause it was after 5pm!  :shock: and he went down for bed happily!   :D   course, he woke up chatting at 5am  :x and happily chatted until 6am when i really have to get up.   :(  but i changed his diaper and he went back to sleep until i had to get him up to leave. :D   his naps today weren't great cause today is my long day so he spent it at the sitter's, but he had a catnap when we got home and seems okay now.   :D   i think i'm going a little emoticon crazy, but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that we may finally be getting back to normal!!!  :D  :D  :D  :lol:


these pictures of everyone are adorable!!!  here's a couple of luke:
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Post by: HeatherC on October 06, 2005, 00:16:04 am
Jamie-I do hope things are improving with Luke. 

It's official that bananas are not for Kelsey.  I first tried them as jar food at almost 6 months, and she developed severe diaper rash.  Her ped said it could have been a coinsidence, but I held off until recently.  She's had it with apples and pears in jar food, but when I gave her that piece today, she now how extremely bad diaper rash again.  Does anyone know what is in bananas that is causing this?  I feel so bad for her.  It's raw and red, and I can feel heat coming off from it with my hand just above her bottom.  She just cried so hard when I even came close to the changing table.  I thought the cream would be soothing (we use it at every diaper change regardless), but it hurts, too, as well as her pee of course.  I feel awful b/c I did this to her.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on October 06, 2005, 01:01:45 am
Oh Heather! I feel so bad for Kelsey. I had no idea that bannanas could cause such a reaction, but that has to be it, right? Poor girl! Give her lots of loving! I too was shocked to see how much hair Kelsey had when she was born!

Here are pics of when Leah was born. We only have a few from the hospital becuase of everything that happened with me, people forgot to take pictures of Leah. I hate that, it makes me feel so sad.  I look at all of your hospital pics, especially the breastfeeding ones and I can't wait until next time. I am going to make sure more pictures get taken!!!!!
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Post by: HeatherC on October 06, 2005, 01:32:47 am
Christine-the similarities are astounding.  Kelsey had the same "It's A Girl" hat, and the same purple outfit.  She weighed 6,2.  We borrowed premie things from our neighbors who had twin girls.  What did Leah weigh?  What about everyone else?
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Post by: dkjokisch on October 06, 2005, 01:47:07 am
Maya wasn't a premie, but she only weighed 5lbs, 15oz.  Small babies run in my family - I was only 4lbs, 13oz (and I was 2wks overdue!).  She lost alot of weight, though, before she started gaining.  In the photo I posted she was 5lbs even.
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Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 06, 2005, 02:34:36 am
Hi everyone - hope you are having a good week.

I can't keep up with the posts on this thread, it moves too fast for me!

Love everyone's pics, they are so cute!  I am bummed because we don't have good pictures of Ethan in the hospital, almost all are blurry.  I don't understand that, but I wasn't the one taking the pictures, so... but it makes me a bit sad.

As for us, we are settling into our new routine okay.  I have been trying to have Ethan drop the 5 pm catnap, cause half the time he wouldn't sleep anyway (even though he was grouchy and tired).  So, that's been going relatively well.  Every once in a while, we have to have quiet time in his room around 5:30 or 5:45.  That pretty much just consists of me rocking him and him with his pacifier.  But he calms himself down, and just chills out.  It makes it so that we are able to get through dinner!  Although I still take him for a walk every night, cause he loves to be outside.  Otherwise he is mr. cranky. 

We are also working on cutting out the df.  We are down to 3 oz. now.  So far so good, no nightwakings.  Although the past few nights he has cried out in the middle of the night, then immediately resettles, then sometimes wakes up again 30 minutes later, same deal.  Don't know what that is all about.

We also moved his crib down one level.  He was sitting up so well on his own now, and crawling all around his crib.  I was just paranoid that one day he would be on the floor.  So, we moved it down, and now he is trying to pull up!  He's not good at it at all, but he likes to try.  He also likes to try to pull up on me when I'm playing on the floor with him.   :D

I'll try and post a couple of pics from when he was born, the few I might have that are not blurry!  He was 8 lbs., 4 ozs.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 06, 2005, 04:44:21 am
Heather:  Poor Kelsey!  I don't know what it is but I've run into a few people that have strange allergies like that as well.  Those three are considered some of the least allergenic foods, so don't blame yourself, you had no way of knowing!  If you can pick up some calendula gel tomorrow, that soothes well.  Also try an oatmeal bath and giving her tushie air time tomorrow!
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Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 06, 2005, 08:45:17 am
Aaawwwww - the photos are all so cute.  Anyone else starting to want another one already? :shock:

Christine - sorry to hear about the choking experience.  Glad everything was ok though.  I went to the park yesterday with my neighbour and her 6 month old dd.  She had given her a small piece of ripe pear and she choked on it.  It was so scarey.  She just couldn't breathe and my neighbour had to lift her up and smack her back.  Took a good few seconds before she coughed it up.  Oooo was horrible. She too was fine though.
If you don't mind me asking, what were you referring to when you said you don't have many hospital photos because of all the stuff that happened with you?  Just curious really.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on October 06, 2005, 12:52:21 pm
Heather- Leah was 6'5 and 21 inches long. We were prepared for a 6 pound baby - that's what the doc said she would be – I never got very big. But I didn’t know the 0-3 month stuff wouldn’t fit!!! I remember putting that purple outfit on her and she was drowning in it! I should pull it out again now – I bet it looks tiny now!!  :lol: (Hat and Purple Outfit from Walmart?)

Hazel- You weren’t around when I shared my lovely labor story. Basically I started Hemorrhaging right after Leah was born and they couldn’t get me to stop. They performed a DNC on me and that didn’t work. Then I had to be transferred to a larger hospital where they pumped 6 or 7? Pints of blood into me and lots of meds and performed another DNC. They finally got me to stop bleeding. They have no idea why this happened. They even called in some major specialists. I lost a TON of blood. So, who knows what will happen next time? The sad part was I held Leah for maybe 5 minutes right after she was born.  :( Then they didn’t transfer her with me – they were too concerned about me. So I had her at 6am Fri morning and didn’t see her again till 10 pm Sat night. Then she wouldn’t latch on after having bottles for two days.  :(

US: AP, AP, AP!!!!!!!!!!!  :shock:  :oops: How do you not do AP when your LO is sick? Leah has a nasty cold – stuffed up nose and bad cough. I finally brought her into bed with us at 2 am because she only wanted to be held and I was exhausted. She still didn’t sleep well. Plus I had to feed her in the middle of the night because she literally threw up her supper, so I figured she was hungry. What do you do when your LO is sick? Every time I put her back down in the crib she would cry this sad whining cry till I picked her back up.  :(
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Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 06, 2005, 14:10:58 pm
Christine - you poor poor thing.  Makes me realise I need to stop feeling sorry for myself that I had to have a section.  Things could have been a whole lot worse.  Do they know now what caused the bleeding?  It's weird isn't it how we have the perfect birth experience all planned out beforehand but then things don't always go to plan.  I sooooo didn't want a section but then after 23 hours of labour and little progress I wasn't gonna argue with the dr offering one!  I just remember the first night (he was born at 6.30pm).  I was so sore and couldn't really move.  Every time Daniel cried I just wanted to pick him up and cuddle him but I had to ring for a nurse and wait for her to come and pass him to me.  To make things worse they had sent my hubby home at about 9pm as visiting hours were up :evil:   He's a daddy of like 2.5 hours and they send him away.  Grrrrrrr.  All's forgiven and (almost!) forgotten now though.
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Post by: Leah's Mom on October 06, 2005, 15:23:33 pm
Hazel- I would be irrate if the hospital made DH leave!!!!! He stayed with me, sleeping on the couch. You have a right to feel sad. I never had PPD, but I did have a bad case of the Baby Blues. For a few weeks I cried becuase I wanted to go back and have a do-over! I wanted the birth to go as I had planned. I didn't even get any visitors (other than immediate family) becuase they transferred me to a hospital that was two hours from home. Next time, right?!?!?! Hmmm, not so sure I'm ready yet. Actually, becuase of everthing that happened we were told to wait three years. So you will all probobly have new babes before me!
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Post by: diyasmom on October 06, 2005, 15:54:29 pm
Hi girls!
As usual I have been MIA and am leaving to San Francisco for DH's conference this afternoon. Have to do the last minute packing but thought that I'll post a few lines atleast. We have been having bad naps again. I guess it is time for us to increase the A time again. Also, Diya is taking the last nap as the longest just like what happened to a few of you. After I get back from the trip on tuesday night, we'll start changing all the A times and see. All the newborn pics are cute and I'll post Diya's later!
Diya only wants to eat our food with salt and spices. She wants them soft too. If I put less salt in our food, she refuses to eat. Please tell me what I shoud do.
Deborah: That is a cute pic of Maya with the bear before and after. I can't believe she was as small as the bear.
Branwen: We'll miss you very badly! I always looked forward to read about you and Eirwen. I'll PM you when I get back from the trip.
Heather: Don't blame yourself about the diaper rash. Like what Julie said, bananas are the least allergenic food. I have been reading about your bad days too. Off late, because of our solids battle, I am getting upset with Diya easily too.
Christine: That is scary about the choking incident
Julieb: That is a cute avatar
Tammy: That is a cute pic of Ethan.
Hazel: I always feel bad the c-section too.
Michelle: Cold and teething always go hand in hand and they terrorize us. Hang in there and it will get better. We never had a routine at that time but got back to it after they were over.
All the others who posted in the previous pages: Will come back from the trip and catch up with you!

Vidya
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 06, 2005, 18:43:19 pm
Heather - Luke was 7-14 when he was born... and 21 (?) inches... i know i wrote it down so i wouldn't forget it but darned if i know where it is now.  to me he looked HUGE!  :lol:

Hazel - they made your dh leave the hospital?!  :shock: even though he was your dh???  how rotten for you!

Christine - both my kids want to snuggle a LOT when they're sick too.  so during the day i try & get in as much cuddle time as possible so they'll sleep when it's time.  there were a couple times when jaina had to sleep in her bouncy seat (that time it turned out she had bronchiolitis  :oops: ), and i have elevated luke's mattress a few times to help with the breathing.  i also try to make sure they're hydrated - liquids become much more important since they don't have as much of an appetite anyhow.

well, 45 minutes & luke's still asleep.  fingers crossed!  :D
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Post by: herbst99 on October 06, 2005, 19:28:14 pm
oooh I cannot believe how cute all our babies was (and still is!!)

Things have been crazy with naps as I mentioned before ... the weighted blankie helped a little with the wind-down but is not doing anything to extend naps - and THEN - today I had an appointment we had to leave for at 9:15 am ... put DD to bed at 8:00 (she woke and fed at 6:00!!) and she slept and slept and slept!! So I finally HAD to wake her (and really wake!!! her) at 9:30. and again this afternoon ... she just slept and slept!
So I am hoping tomorrow will be the same ... oh I hope :)
through all of this she has cut her first tooth - bottom left - I think ... she doesn't want me to fiddle to much. the front right is also starting to come through so will see what tomorrow brings.
Lise pulled herself up to standing on my small ottoman ... I better start thinking of putting the cot lower again!
Cutting out DF is going OK - I am taking it a little slower than the book - just because I love the snuggle I otherwise don't get from my spirited one!
Schae I am glad you have some warmer weather in Jo'burg - us in Cape Town have not had much warmth!! Went to swimming lessons on Tuesday in a winter rainy day (luckily it is indoors!!) How is job stuff going?
Christine ooh goodness - I don't know if I would cope! You are a star!! I am also VERY nervous of this finger food thing. Lise just turned 7mths so I am not in a very big hurry ... she is eating some teething biscuits but forces out the "bits" with her tongue - she doesn't like to many bits and pieces. I bought a very cool food thingy today - a small mesh bag attached to a ring that attach to a handle. You freeze bits of fruit and then put it in the mesh bag and create a ice cold teether and healthy snack to without having to worry about choking - this just helps them "practice" chewing. Will try it tomorrow
Heather I hope Kelsey is better - I have never heard of bananas and allergies so DON"T beat yourself up about it!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 06, 2005, 19:56:46 pm
Nikki- I can't believe the hair that Lise had when she was born, and it's so dark! You're blonde aren't you?! I have the mesh bag - fresh food feeder. I LOVE it! DD really loves it when I put pears in it. I have also put frozen peas in it before.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 07, 2005, 08:08:45 am
I'm hoping someone can help us out here - early morning wakings are killing us and have us very confused.

Ds always goes to sleep a dream.  never any problems getting him down for naps (usually about 1 to 1.5 hours and 2 times a day).  Bedtime too is fine.  He falls asleep almost before we leave the room.  But he is just waking up earlier and earlier.  Last night we didn't put him to bed til 8.15pm.  He woke at 5.40am :evil:   Absolutely nothing we do will convince him to go back to sleep.  He drank his bottle in about 3 minutes flat (6 oz).  He's back in bed again as he's worn out before even 9am (usually goes down at 9.30am for first nap).  I don't think he's teething.  If he is then it will be a molar I guess as he has his front 8.  I keep looking in mouth but can't see anything.

So here are my questions. 

1.  If it's a growth spurt, what do we do?  Don't want to reintroduce the dreamfeed as we weaned him off that about 3 months ago.  Do we just try to get more into him in the day.  Should I worry about overfeeding him (seriously, he is one of those babies that just never seems to want to stop eating!!!)

2.  The last few days his afternoon nap has been a bit later than usual (ending at about 4 or 4.15pm.  Could that have anything to do with the earlier waking in the morning?

3.  Should we keep his bedtime when it is (between 7.30 and 8pm) or try bringing it forward (I don't want to push it back any more)?  I'm concerned he's not getting enough sleep.  Last night for instance he only got about 9.5 hours :shock:

Hope someone can help.  Thanks
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 07, 2005, 12:54:54 pm
Hazel- I don't know if I can be any help. We have the same problems. We still do a catnap, so I was wondering if that was our problem. I don't think 4:00 is too late to get up, especially if he doesn't go to bed till 8:15. Maybe 8:15 is too late. I know this sounds crazy, but when I put Leah to bed at 7:30, she wakes around 5:45-6. But when I put her to bed earlier, around 7, she'll sleep till 6:30-6:45. Maybe an earlier bedtime?

Everyone - Our website is up and going. If you checked it before last night, check again. I totally re-did it last night and added pictures for every month she's been born. Stayed up WAY to late!  :roll: To see all the photos you need to click on photo galleries at the top of the page. Enjoy!

http://ebner.gotfamiliesonline.com/website
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 07, 2005, 15:14:02 pm
Hazel - I would try moving bedtime earlier, maybe in 15-20min increments.  You've got nothing to lose at this point.  It may take a day or two before you see a change in the wake-up time, but in the meantime, he's still getting more sleep.

We went back to the neurosurgeon today.  I still don't like him.  We also met his PA today, and he's not much better.  They offered no insight, said her case was 50/50, and left the decision up to us.  I am going to call the specialist for the banding and see if I can't get more information out of them.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 07, 2005, 15:17:23 pm
Great job Christine!  She's so adorable, especially with the pumpkins.  I'll have to do that with Kelsey.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 07, 2005, 17:58:41 pm
Bad day yesterday.  Bad naps.  Bad whining and shrill screaming cries.  Bad bedtime.  After I went to bed at 10, I only heard him a couple times until almost 7 am though.  So he managed to settle himself despite his meltdowns earlier in the evening.

Makes me wonder, do babies' arms/legs ever fall asleep like adults?  Sometimes I wonder if these sudden screaming episodes (that end just as suddenly) are because he's in pain from something falling asleep.

He also gets all stuffed up at night.  Could he be allergic to his bedding (like bedmites, etc)?  He's fine during the day.  Or could it happen so suddenly from the crying by time I make it into his room to comfort?

Today is better so far.  Soon yesterday will just be a distant memory!  :D   

Christine:  I love your website and all the photos!  It looks like you guys do a lot as a family!  I feel like we're indoors all the time.  :(   It's still triple digits here.  I hope we can go outside again soon!   :?
Is Leah feeling better yet?  Tracy says in her book to sleep in their room if you have to and bring in a mattress.  I figure I'd sleep in the spare bedroom with Asher if it ever came down to it, as opposed to our bed.

Vidya:  Can you cut back the salt gradually?  I keep seeing chefs using a small amount of salt on homemade baby foods because it brings out the flavor.  So maybe a little is okay?

Hazel:  We were having early wake up problems so I started experimenting with his bedtime.  We were at 7 pm or so, but it seems 6:30 is the magic time.  He's slept in till 6:30 am (and content in bed until I get him up at 7 am) the last 4 days.  I was worried that the A time wouldn't be long enough before bed, but it doesn't seem to make a difference for us.  Daniel's naps seem on the short side though, so I suspect you may be in a cycle of overtiredness like I think we were several weeks ago.  I started charting the bedtime and wake times two weeks ago to figure out a pattern.  It really helped.  You could try moving the afternoon nap up too, and see if that helps for a few days.
I wouldn't worry about overfeeding at this age.  The quality of food is more important.  It's not like you're feeding him potato chips!   :lol:   Have you tried giving him a feed and putting him right back to bed in the morning?  Never worked for us though.  I also upped Asher's solid intake during the day.  He also seems like a bottomless pit when it comes to food!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 07, 2005, 18:18:26 pm
Well, I've just put Daniel to bed (7pm).  We'll do this for the next few days and see what happens.  He has had a better nap day.  Had 1hour and half this morning and then 2 and half this avo :D  :D  :D I half suspect that the increase in naps today in itself will make him sleep longer tonight, but knowing him he'll prove me wrong!  We did go through this early wake time once before when his bedtime used to be between 6.30 and 7pm.  Moving it back did mean he woke up closer to 7am, but gradually the wake returned to closer to 6am which just meant he was getting less sleep.  maybe we just have to accept that he's gonna be an early riser :?

Have also given him a little more milk and solids today.  Hopefully that might begin to help.

Julieb - we were thinking about feeding him and then putting him back to bed but I doubt it will work.  If anything,I think it would wake him up properly.  He always seems to get a new lease of life after a feed.  Has never fallen asleep feeding.  Not even as a newborn. 

Christine - Lovely photos. 

Heather - that video clip of kelsey playing with the dog is soooo funny.  Daniel has done that as well.  Gets so excited that he tips himself over. :lol:

Deborah - sorry that you don't seem to be having much joy with the neurosurgeon.  I hope youmanage to get some more info that can help.I noticed your other post on this site and hope there are som people who have experience of it.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on October 07, 2005, 19:27:49 pm
Deborah Sorry if you have answered this before - might have missed the info - but why are you seeing a neurosurgeon again??
It really is no fun if you and your dr, don't click - I never believe a thing they say if I don't connect with them (I am a little bit of a hypochondriac also so that might have an influence) Is there no one else you can go to?
I look forward to some more info.
Christine Jip - I am blonde - so when they showed me a babygirl with dark hair I suddenly thought - it is not possible - she doesn't look like me!! I had thought that her being a girl she would look like her mom!!  :oops:
Hazel I read somewhere (can't remember where!!) that 10-12hrs sleep is a full night sleep so it could be he has "finished" sleeping - BUT I do agree with trying to move his bedtime earlier - and AGAIN - really look at sleep signals!!

She is waking!! OOH NO - gotta run
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 07, 2005, 19:58:00 pm
Deborah, I want to know what happened too, that she needs a neurosurgeon.  As for bananas, Matty got a bad tummy ache when he tried jarred bananas a month ago. He hasnt had any since. I  was about to try fresh bananas for finger food but now Im thinking maybe I shouldnt.  I dont see bananas as being least allergenic.  They give me stomach upset and heartburn, so maybe they cause more people problems too.

Everyone, I love all the baby pics.  I would comment individually but dont have the time, they are all beautiful.


Christine:  Wow, I didnt know you went through such a rough time delivering!    I was upset that I had Matty at 9 am and didnt get to see him until 3:00 because of the C-section, but obviously I cant complain! 

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 07, 2005, 20:53:54 pm
Since about 2mos, Maya has had a very pronounced flat spot on the right side of her head.  We've asked about at every check-up, and they've always told us not to worry about, that it would round out.  It hasn't.  It's gotten worse, to the point that her face is no longer quite symmetrical. 

At her 6mos check-up, they said to give it another month or two, that we could discuss it at her 9mos check-up.  We insisted on coming back at 7mos.  At that time they discovered a mild case of torticollis (tightening of the muscles of the neck, predisposing them to turn their head in one direction or the other).  They referred us to a pediatric PT for the torticollis, and a neurosurgeon for the flat headedness.  The neurosurgeon wanted to give it another month since the first time we were there she had just started sitting on her own.

Today was our follow-up visit.  I don't like the neurosurgeon at all (but it's not like there are alot of pediatric neurosurgeons in our health plan to choose from and supposedly this guy is the best).  We still did not get a clear recommendation from him on his preferred course of treatment.  He just kept saying it was up to us.  He said that it will LIKELY round out some eventually, but not until she was ~4yrs old.  The problem is that if it doesn't, at 4yrs old, we're way past the point of being able to do anything about it.

I called the orthotist (the specialist who does the banding), and we have an appointment for Monday to get her head measured so we know the exact degree of deformation.  Unfortunately, there's no place local to have it done, so we have to drive to Orlando (about 2 hours from here).  I also want another opinion from someone who's dealt with this before.  The orthotist I spoke with today said he has handled over 400 cases of plagiocephaly (and the other varieties of skull deformation), so I am interested in his opinion.

Next week, we have the orthotist on Monday, PT on Tuesday, and our ped on Wednesday.  Hopefully, by the end of the week, we'll have a better idea what's going on.

So sorry if I haven't been contributing much of late, but between this and trying to get Maya back on track after our week of "vacation", I've had alot on my mind.  And as if I needed anything else, AF and her merry band of hormones are back this week.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Schae on October 07, 2005, 21:08:38 pm
Deborah, you are really having a tough time. And I'm cross on your behalf at the neurosurgeon for not treating your family with respect, just because he's 'seen it all' doesn't mean his patients have. Makes you wonder why people choose their professions if they can't behave properly.  :x

We are having nightwakings again for the past week or so. I've posted in the nightwakings board. After sleeping through for a couple of weeks, Luka has started waking at night again. Since I put him down for the night at 8pm he's woken 5 or 6 times. I go back in (if he can't resettle) and kiss him or just touch him and he'll go back to sleep and if he's crying hard then I pick him up and then put him back down again.
But 6 times in 2.5 hours is a bit much eh?

I can't for the life of me work out what is bothering him. It's as if he just needs to know that I'm still around.
What do you guys think?
I've put him down earlier, and it doesn't make a difference. Separation anxiety?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 07, 2005, 22:47:07 pm
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Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 08, 2005, 01:37:43 am
Deborah, that is tough, hang in there and let us now what you find out.

Schae, Matty went through a few nights here and there of night waking a few weeks back.  The other night I did need to hold him for about 15 to 20 minutes but then he went back to sleep.  Also, one night recently he was crying on and off hourly (I only went in to peek in on him) and I realized the next morning he was probably teething and crying in his sleep.  If I had realized it at the time I would have given him some Motrin (duh).

Anyway, its tough, but hopefully it will pass.

Julie, thanks for the web site.

Im still having a hard time with the Avatar.  Schae, I went to the photobucket and downloaded a few pics, then put the address in the appropriate line in the profile on BW and it still wont work!  Now for some reason the picture shrunk too much (on photobucket) and when i delete it and reload it from my computer its all messed up!!!  I am fed up with this avatar thing!  :?   sigh

Julie G.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 08, 2005, 02:00:06 am
Schae - I'm with you on the nightwakings thing, although not quite as bad as you!   :?  Ethan has been waking up in the middle of the night, never the same time, and cries out, then he quickly resettles.  He has been doing this 2 or 3 times a night the past few nights.  The other night, this started at 3:30, and went on every 30 minutes until about 5, when he wouldn't resettle, and I had to go in.  I can't quite figure out what the deal is.  He just cut both bottom teeth, and I don't see the others coming in yet.  He is eating plenty - although we are in process of cutting out his df, but it's not hunger waking him.  I thought perhaps developmental or separation anxiety.  I guess time will tell, or not!

Deborah - sounds like you will be having a stressful week next week.  We are all pulling for things to go well with Maya (btw, love that name), and hope you will find some decent answers. 

Hazel - here's hoping your boy decides to sleep in!  Ethan's mornings have gotten earlier the past 3 days.  He was sleeping until 7, then lengthened that to 7:30 (yes!!!), but now he's inching his way up to 6:30.  I'm trying to fight that as hard as I can!   :?  :roll:  :)

Julieb - I was thinking about Asher getting stuffed up at night.  I can tell you that I'm not allergic to anything like bedding and the such, and I can get very stuffy at night.  When I get up in the morning, sometimes I can feel my head start to drain, for lack of a better word.  I do have some seasonal allergies, but sometimes that just happens to me regardless.  Also, I notice that Ethan can get runny / stuff nose from crying pretty quickly.  It could just be that!  Gee - I was a lot of help, huh?

Dh and I are babysitting our niece (almost 2 years old) all day tomorrow, along with Ethan, so wish me luck!  I've never tried to do two at once - I guess this is a short one-day practice for when we try for #2 - and that's  not yet!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 08, 2005, 02:07:58 am
Picture worked!!!  Yay!  I'd like it a bit larger, but glad to have finally figured it out.


Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 08, 2005, 12:54:51 pm
Boy am I tired!  We had a strange night last night.  Daniel went down to sleep fine at 7pm.  Didn't hear anything from him until 1.40am when he started making his morning waking noises.  I looked at the clock thinking it was about 6am.  He just seemed wide awake (kind of singing and babbling).  Finally went in to him about 3am to try to settle him. He had what we call the wide eye stare so I'm guessing he's just way over tired.  Actually cuddled him til he fell asleep (was nice as he never usually cuddles :) )  Didn't hear him again til 6.50am.  Just feel soooo shattered today.  Must get an early night.

I'm going to post his schedule here.  Shout if there's anything that jumps out at you as very different.  We may just be missing something.

Anytime from 5.30 - 6.30 currently: wake and play in cot.
6.45: nappy change and cuddles :)
7am: 6 oz bottle
8am: breakfast
9am: 1st nap (1hour 15 mins)
12pm: lunch
1pm: 6 oz bottle
1.30pm: 2nd nap (yesterday it was 2 and half hours  :shock: but I'm guessing it'll usually be about 1.5 hours)
5pm: dinner
6pm: bath
6.30pm 6oz bottle
7pm: bed

I'm actually wondering if he has just been getting too tired in the day between naps and bringing his naps forward a half hour (they were 9.30 and 2pm) may help.  It's like detective work this parenting business!

Deborah - Daniel also has a flat right side of his head.  The doctor checked it out at his 8 month check on Thursday but said there's nothing to worry about and that it will fill out in time.  You just want what's best for them don't you.  I know what you mean about not wanting to leave it and then finding out that it doesn't fill out after all and then it's too late.  I really hope that you get some good advice next week.  Sounds like a busy week for you.  Will be thinking of you.

Tammy - all the best with babysitting tomorrow.  Will definitely be good practice for when no 2 comes along!  My neighbour left her 6 month old with me for about half an hour the other day while she nipped to the shops.  Just that half hour nearly killed me :lol: But there's only 2 months difference between them so I guess that does make it harder.  (No different than having twins I guess though)

Julie - great new avatar.  I think Daniel is quite similar build to Matty.  Chunky and cuddly!  He was 10.8kg at last weigh in (Thurs).  I think that's about 23.5 pounds.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: sedona314 on October 08, 2005, 18:02:15 pm
Hazel:  The only thing I noticed with your schedule is how far apart the naps are.  BUt if thats what you normally do, that shouldnt be a problem. Matty rarely goes more than 2.5 hours without getting too sleepy and needing a nap.  He also has had that middle of the night waking, but not that often. I know its tough but I think its just how it is at this age. He should settle right back in tonight unless he is teething.

Glad to hear another baby weighs around what Matthew weighs!  I was beginning to think I had the largest baby on the planet!!! lol

He is already too tall for his exersaucer which is a problem because it was very helpful to put him in there. I had to buy a walker as it is the only thing tall enough to hold him, but I prefer the saucers as they are stationary and more entertaining.

Let us know how it goes.

Julie
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 09, 2005, 01:54:12 am
Had to post quickly...
boy am I exhausted after babysitting my 2 year old niece all day, along with keeping Ethan!  Of course, Ethan decided he needed to scream bloody murder at 6 a.m. this morning, instead of waking up nicely at his *usual* 7 am.  And then he took a good morning nap, but a 45 minute afternoon nap.   :evil:   So I had to revert to the old 5 pm catnap to get us to bedtime. 

Niece was great, just your typical 2 year old that you have to watch.  Plus, our house is not babyproofed for a toddler yet (that will come with time...), so we had to watch her closely.  She took a fabulous nap for 2.5 hours, so at least that gave me some time to try, and I emphasize TRY, to get Ethan back down for his pm nap. 

Oh, and I really hope this is it... but the past few nights, Ethan has woken up off and on through the night.  Usually resettling by himself, but the wakeups were weird.  Anyway, saw tooth #3, one of the upper middles poking through a teeny tiny bit.  I suppose that he decided to get these all out of the way at the same time!  He just cut the bottom two in the past week and a half or so!  Guess he's making up for time.  Anyway, hope that was the cause for the nightwakings (I didn't realize he was teething - so no Motrin this go around - oh well).

Anyway, off to bed, I'm exhausted!   :)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 09, 2005, 02:24:45 am
I'm behind, but I'll try to catch up.
Tammy-I did the same thing with quiet time in the nursery while Kelsey was getting used to no catnap.  It really helped, but she wouldn't actually rest on her own anymore if I really needed her to.  KWIM?  Are you down to the end of the df yet?  Kelsey also likes to be outside, and that is usually our salvation for cranky evenings.  But now it's in the 60's when the sun goes down, and almost to chilly for her to be out.
Christine-how's Leah?  Better yet?  Kelsey only wanted to be held when she was sick, which caught me off beat because she usually won't snuggle except at sleep times.
Hazel-did I read correctly that Daniel takes 3 bottles a day?  That's what I'm going to attempt around 9 months.  Kelsey is starting to take 4 oz of solids and still take all 7 oz of her bottle.  Also, I agree with Christine about keeping an early bedtime of 7:30-8.
JulieB-you're so right about yesterday being a memory.  I remember complaining in the past weeks about bad naps, but now I honestly don't remember a thing. 
Deborah-I'm so sorry about the doctor.  I was just wondering how the lo's with flat spots were doing.  Kelsey's is rounding out a bit, except that I'm still guilty of always cradling her on the same side, so it leaves it a little less round.  I hope you can get the help you want.
RE:  Early risers-maybe it's a boy thing b/c my mom said that my brother always woke at 6 am on the dot, of course until it was time to go to school!!
RE:  Night wakings-Kelsey usually stirs once before midnight (she just did it) with either a quick cry or a babble, then the same somewhere between midnight and 5 am.  I never have to check on her and I just assume this is a part of her sleep. 
Here's a funny from today:  Her morning nap was going past 2 hours.  It was the first sleep I have ever put a blanket over her.  So, I was of course getting worried that she had possibly smothered.  After talking myself into this frenzied state, I barged through the door that makes a terrible crack noise (which is why I rarely check on her during sleep times), and rush to her crib.  The blanket was still placed over her feet where I put it, and she was turned on her side away from me.  She turned over, fussed at me with a "eech" and turned back over!!!  I stood there in shock and holding back laughter.  I think I had a flash back of my childhood!  It was a good 5 minutes before she turned back over and she still wasn't happy about it.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 10, 2005, 08:35:27 am
Heather - yep, Daniel does just have 3 bottles now.  In fact he has done for about a month now.  We did it by moving breakfast a little later (8am instead of 7.30) and his lunch forward a little (12 instead of 12.30) so he only goes 4 hours between breakfast and lunch.  I offer him some very watered down juice after his morning nap (He will NOT touch water!).  Then he has lunch at 12 followed by his bottle about an hour later.  He's usually happy then til teatime at 5pm.  I actually followed advice on this from one of the boards here where someone suggested having a bottle around 1pm so then it's halfway through the day between the other 2 feeds.  (Did that make sense?)  We're actually gonna start putting his 1pm feed into his sippy cup next month (or at least try :wink: ) as a start to weaning him from that bottle.  A friend of mine has a 13 month old and she will NOT take milk from anything but her bottle.  She drinks water from a cup but just won't take milk that way.

Tammy - Daniel did just the same thing and had 3 of his front teeth all come through at the same time.  Like you said it does get it out the way (but it must be very painful for them :( )  Hope he is happy now with his 3 front teeth!

Us - well last night wasn't too bad, but saturday night was possibly the worst night ever, even worse than when Daniel was new born :shock:   He had 2 good naps on Saturday and we put him down at 7pm.  He fell straight to sleep and we felt happy.  (Little did we know what he had in store for us!)  He then woke up at 9pm, 10pm 11.10 and then countless times through the night.  At 2.50am he woke up babbling and seemingly wide awake.  Nothing we did could get him back to sleep.  He didn't have hot or red cheeks and he wasn't in pain so it can't have been teeth.  But eventually at 5am I gave him some pain relief and he was asleep within about 5 mins (maybe the calpol worked or maybe just sheer exhaustion).  Either way I wish I'd given him the  calpol at 3am :lol:   6.50am he woke up.  Seemed happy enough.  We usually make time for him to have at least an hour's nap before church, but he only took 25 mins :evil:   By the time we were at church he was obviously sooo overstimulated and tired.  I went to the back to try to just rock him to sleep but people kept on ciming over to play with him :evil:  :evil:  :evil:   Do they just not understand?

Anyway, to cut a long story short he had a much better night last night.  Still woke up a few times but went back to sleep quite quickly.  Boy do I hope we get our angel sleeper back soon.  I think he might just be trying to make us appreciate what we had rather than worry about trying to make him sleep in longer. :idea:  Suddenly the idea of him sleeping right through til 6am doesn't seem so bad anymore.  Any early wake up is better than what he's done the last few nights.

I was also thinking - it would be interesting to see what others' schedules are now.  Seeing what works for others does sometimes give me ideas etc...  Thanks
(I've included mine that I posted a cople of days ago.)

Anytime from 5.30 - 6.30: wake and play in cot.
6.45: nappy change and cuddles 
7am: 6 oz bottle
8am: breakfast
9am: 1st nap (1hour 15 mins)
12pm: lunch
1pm: 6 oz bottle
1.30pm: 2nd nap (about 1.5 hours)
5pm: dinner
6pm: bath
6.30pm 6oz bottle
7pm: bed
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 10, 2005, 13:02:49 pm
Heather - we are down to 2 oz. df around 8:30 now.  I always did the df at 10 pm, so right now I give the 2 oz about an hour after he goes to bed.  Of course, we have been having a lot of restless sleep since about 3 ozs., so I'm not sure if it's in relation to the df or not.  He is eating more solids during the day, and I'm giving him four 7 oz bottles during the day, so I don't think he's hungry.  Sometimes he resettles himself at night, and every once in a while he cries so I have to go in to him.  And he's decided to start having his wakeup time anywhere from 6 to 6:30.  That was literally overnight.  He was doing a 7 am wakeup, then he moved that back to 7:30, and then one day it was like, bam!  6:30, then 6.  I don't like this trend!  And it doesn't even get light here until probably 7:15 or later, so you feel like you're up in the middle of the night still.  I'm puzzled as to why he all of a sudden has started having such restless nighttime sleep, and early waketimes.  I don't think it's teeth, he shouldn't be hungry, and while he is starting to learn to pull up a bit, he hasn't started that too much yet in his crib, at least not at night.  Who knows.  He just wants mommy not to get so much sleep! 

Hazel - that's pretty good having Daniel down to 3 bottles.  There is no way I am anywhere near that point.  I'm just now trying to get rid of #5!  I'll post Ethan's schedule, if it's any help, but since you're down to 3 bottles, it might be a lot different.

This is his schedule since he's starting waking up at 6 or 6:30!!

6:00 - 6:30:  wake
6:30 - 7:00:  I come get him sometime during this time, diaper change
7:00:  solids
7:30:  bottle
9:00:  nap #1  (usually sleeps for 45 min, wakes up and babbles, eventually falls back asleep - so this is not all sleep time!)
11:30:  solids
12:00:  bottle
2:00 - 2:30:  nap #2 (same as nap 1  :roll: ) 
4:00:  bottle
6:00:  solids
7:00:  bottle
7:15:  bath, lotion, jammies, story
7:30:  bed
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 10, 2005, 14:57:14 pm
Whoa, don't check in all weekend and three new pages!!!!!!!  :shock:

Julieb- Thanks for the compliment on the website. We do alot outside. DH HATES to be inside. He's your outdoor hunting, fishing, camping man. It is difficult to be outside though when you're still in triple digits. We were at 32 degrees F this morning. Brrrr.... Fall is here! Thanks for the website. I also got some good deals for Leah. She is in need of Fall and Winter clothing. Everything she got when she was born is now too small!

Hazel - How is the earlier bedtime working out? Weird!!!! Leah has been doing the same thing, waking and babbling in the middle of the night. She’s never been a good sleeper though, so I’m used to getting up! Does Daniel have a bottle at 1 pm, then again not until 6:30? If so, does this go well? I am going to try this with Leah as she is still getting a bottle around 4 too, but then is too full to eat supper.  :?

Nikki- When Leah came out she looked like her father, now she looks like me though. If it's any consolation, even though she doesn't look like you she is VERY beautiful!!! At least she won't have to worry about "keeping up" her blonde hair with highlights. Her hair color is awesome!  :D

Julie - YES you can complain! I think everyone should be able to hold thier babies RIGHT away and it sucks if you can't. It wasn't so bad with this one, becuase she was my first and I didn't know any different. If it happened again you can bet I would FIGHT to have her transfered with me!  :twisted:

Deborah - Sorry to hear about your issues with the doctors. Please let us know what happens this week. I understand your concern. If it bothers you, I would do something about it.

Schae – Are the night wakings getting any better? With us, just when we seem to get it, she teethes or gets sick. I can’t remember the last time I had a full nights sleep. So, I can’t be of any help, sorry!!!!!!

Heather – Leah is better, thanks for asking. She still has a runny nose – but isn’t waking as much in the night!

US: Well, I have created a problem that I now have to fix.  :roll: I used to give Leah her bottles after her naps and before her bath, to eliminate feeding to sleep. Well, she was always such a horrible bottle drinker and I found that if I gave them to her sleepy she would drink much better. Well, she never really falls asleep drinking the bottle but she does get very sleepy. The problem is now she will wake at 1 and 5 in the night and the ONLY thing she wants and the ONLY thing that will get her to go back to sleep is her bottle. So, I created the problem and now I have to fix it! My plan is to reread some of Tracy’s second book this coming weekend and figure out what to do. This is her current schedule:

6:45- Wake up
7:00 – Solids
9:00 – Bottle and First Nap
11:30 – Solids
1:00 – Bottle and Second Nap
4:00 – Bottle and Catnap (unless second nap was long, then no catnap)
6:00 – Solids
7:00 – Bottle and Bed (sleeping by 7:05 or so)
(Lately 1 and 5 bottle – only a few ounces though, so TOTALLY a habit  :oops: )

So I need to move bottles around a bit. Well, better run. More later.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 10, 2005, 15:41:07 pm
Christine - yeah he has a bottle at about 1pm before his 2nd nap and then the last one about 6.30pm.  He is really into his solids now and has 3 really good sized (I think?) meals each day so these easily get him through til the next bottle.  I do make sure I offer him lots of liquids in between though as I'm aware he could get dehydrated.  Has never been a problem yet though.  He does take quite a bit with each meal.

I figured out all this night waking actually could have been because of teeth.  Nothing to show for it yet except REALLY red cheeks and lots of dribbling and chewng.  Oh and LOTS of crying today (you know the ones where you can tell they're in pan :(  :(  :( ).  He has just gone down for a catnap (hasn't had one of these in about 2 months) so poor thing must be so tired.  It's horrible isn't it when there's nothing you can do to take away the pain.  But he's done this before and survived so I know we'll get through.

Off to go put the shopping away.  Yay what fun! :wink:
Title: schedules for 9 month old
Post by: Bella's Mommy on October 10, 2005, 19:31:28 pm
Our schedule doesn't seem to be working anymore since our lo isn't sleeping through the night anymore. Any suggestions?
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: StrawberryAnnie2 on October 10, 2005, 19:50:47 pm
Hello All.

We have been super busy for the past week with selling the house and getting ready for a 12 day trip (leaving this Friday). I'm so nervous about being away from home and our routine for so long. Any tips? We will be staying in a hotel, but my family will be there to help, so I hope things will be OK.

We are having a very tough time with Hannah as far as night sleep right now. She wakes evey 4-5 hrs and is starving, so I nurse her. I have tried upping her daytime food, but she is still waking. She nurses every 4 hrs during the day and has 3 meals of 4-6 oz. Tried giving her yogurt and cottage cheese and she broke out in rash around her mouth, though it went away after about 1/2 hr. I am SO tired from not getting a full night's sleep, though Hannah seems cheerful during the day despite her broken nighttime sleep. Advice anyone??

Joanne
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 10, 2005, 23:45:42 pm
Christine,  I had a look at your website and all of Leah's photos.  Is that one with a real black bear?  Is he dead or alive?  As for accidental parenting, I remember what JulieB wrote and that was to bring a mattress into the lo's room.  Also, I think Tracy says somewhere that it takes 3 days to form a habit.

Hazel, Emily often wakes early, could be as early as 5:30am.  Half the time she goes back to sleep without me going in her room and the other half she moans and groans till I get her up at 6:30.  Either way I stick to our nap times of 9:00am and 1:30-2:00pm.  And amazingly she's usually pretty cheery for all her A time.  Of course she goes to bed by 6:30pm latest.  Also maybe try to get some more solids into Daniel at dinner time to hold him over till breakfast.

Deborah, I hope you get some answers in Orlando.  And hopefully if she does need the head gear she won't have to wear it for too long.

Schae, I'm not sure what to suggest about Luka's night wakings.  It kind of sounds like teething to me.

Julieb, Emily is often stuffy.  I usually have to suction one side of her nose a day.

Tammy, I would maybe try to make the df a bit later and a bit more.  It seems that his night wakings might be related to the df weaning.

Joanne, I don't know much about your routine but if you lo's waking hungry that much, I would give more solids during the day and maybe nurse more often to up your supply.

Us, Emily is doing really well.  Even though she wakes early some mornings and doesn't always have a long afternoon nap, she's mostly happy all day.  She drinks her bottle with no fussiness and eats her solids no problem.  I'm starting to think she's becoming an Angel baby :shock: .  She still doesn't roll much or can't even get up on all fours to crawl but she loves standing and holds onto things for a couple seconds before falling over.   Oh...and I've been giving her puffed wheat cereal for finger foods and she's now got the pincer grasp down pat :) .  Now I sit her in the high chair with a few puffs and it gives me time to warm up her meal.

Good night everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 11, 2005, 01:47:47 am
Tarri -  :lol:  It's a real black bear and he is dead! DH is an avid hunter and killed this one not too far from our house. We live in the woods in the country.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 11, 2005, 16:33:41 pm
Only have a moment, but wanted to say that we had an excellent night last night.  Went down at 7:15, did the 2 oz. df around 8:45, and he slept until 7:00!  Let's hope the early wakeups were a fluke, and that this morning was not!   :lol:   Especially because dh is back to traveling Mon thru Thurs, so I'm on my own again!

Oh, and a picture is worth a thousand words...
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 11, 2005, 18:44:42 pm
yikes!  i have been so busy lately - so many new posts!

Tammy -  :shock:  what a great picture! 

Christine - great website.  i love all those pumpkin pictures.  reminds me i need to find a patch around here!

Tarri - sounds like things are going much better for you.  yay!

Julieg - great new avatar!

Joanne - could be an early growth spurt - there is sometimes one around 9 months.  has she ever slept through the night?  if not then when she seems to be through the spurt you may want to check the night wakings forum for tips on night weaning, etc.

re the traveling, if you don't have a portacrib i would highly recommend one - although sometimes hotels will have one.  they are kinda freaky looking to me but they work great!  if you will all be in one room i would consider draping towels or something over the sides; that way she can't see you if/when she wakes up.  also run a fan/white noise to help mask you & dh moving arouond.  make sure you have the monitor so you can leave the room every so often if you need to.

Hazel:  here's our schedule
7 wake up
7:30 bottle
8:15 cereal
9-10:30ish - nap
11:30 bottle
12/12:30 lunch
2 - 4 (working on longer) nap
4/4:30 bottle
6pm dinner
7:30-8 bath (sometimes) bottle & bed

hope i didn't miss anybody there...

Us - we had a good weekend.  dh's work paid for a dinner & a movie friday night.  had the kids, so we got dinner & skipped the movie.  but the theater was at Universal Studios, and they have fountains to play in, so we brought the kids' suits & let them play in the water.  too funny!  luke was surprised every time the water shot up in front of him.   :lol:

in yucky news, luke's cough has suddenly returned -after 2 months of peaceful sleep.  doesn't seem to be sick, so now i'm worried that something isn't ventilating correctly in his room.   :roll:  oh well, we'll figure something out!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 12, 2005, 00:21:12 am
Hi Everyone,

I was rereading some of BW and found a spot where Tracy says that by the end of the first year that their liquid intake should slowly be cut in half and the other half replaced with solids.  What do you guys think?

Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 12, 2005, 02:07:43 am
Tammy-we have the same crib.
Tarri-cute new avatar.  I wondered the same thing about liquid intake.  My thought was that bottles with formula would be replaced with milk (hopefully child will drink milk as some don't) in a sippy at each meal, like 4 oz or so, around 1 yr, or when child accepts it fully.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 12, 2005, 11:05:13 am
Hi all - I have not been writing too regularly and feel i need to be honest with you all - i miss how the thread used to feel. i don't feel as connected as i used to, I don't feel that people respond to my posts (and thus i have stopped investing the time it takes to write it all out), I can't keep track of everything that is going on, feel the group has gotten so large that when everyone shares at once i miss so much of the details and never get caught up...Nothing against adding new people to the group - I personally just feel less included now ...which is ironic since i started this thread and used to feel like it was another family for me.

I hope it is ok for me to drop in when i can and that you will still wlecome me, but please let me know if you object to that or just want me to read without commenting  :wink:

We are doing ok - struggling to fit in all the bottle and solids - cannot seem to get a good food schedule going and if she eats solids well the next bottle (inlcuding her bedtime bottle the past 2 nights) is really low (4 oz or less).  On a really positive front her naps are getting longer SOME days (not all) and yesterday we had a 2hr 45 min afternoon nap  :shock: usually it is just a case of some mornings extending to 1hr 30 and some afternoon s extending to 2hr 15 or BOTH  :shock:   Olivia is extremely frustrated with crawling - she still struggles to try to go forwards (can go backwards and rotate in circles perfectly, rocks on all 4s, even does a yoga "downward dog" pose  :lol:  but cannot coordinate to move in the forward direction).  if i stand her up and hold her hands she will "walk" forwards taking steps on her own with me holding her hands - very cute.

I am doing ok - have started at my PPD support group - second session tomorrow.  could not get babysitter for this weekend so not doing anything exciting for our 6th anniversary  :cry:

anyway - not sure if anyone has any feelings about me dropping by with comments / contributions when i can.  i miss coming here more often  :cry:  and do love reading your updates - i just struggle to ... (hard to explain any more than i already have)  HUGS to you all.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 12, 2005, 12:16:53 pm
Debra - sorry you feel that way but i know what you mean.   :(

I would love to hear from you whenever you decide to post.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on October 12, 2005, 12:24:28 pm
Debra PLEASE come by and read - no need to post replies!!! unless you can share some wisdom. I do find that I will read some posts and then not reply to them personally  :oops: but we are soooo many now - I find that the same people usually reply to questions. Thank you to those!!! I hope you PDD support group goes well. Do you have any family in Australia?? I found living in Canada for 3yrs without any family VERY difficult. so I hear you re 6yrs anniversary without anything special to do. We plan to this year (now that we are back in SA) to maybe go away for the night and leave Lise with my mom. This will be the 1st time we get to really celebrate our anniversary in FOUR YEARS.
I hear you on the crawling thing!! but before you know it she will get it.
Tarri Liquid intake should with a "average" baby go down to about 600ml (not sure what that is in Oz) with 3 good meals (all food groups) and some other liquids - eg juice, water etc. I am giving lise water already to try and get her used to this - She's not to keen!! We are down tp 800ml and 3 meals - not added any meat or diary yet - but she is getting some fats through omega 3/6 supplements. Will start with meat and diary at 8mths. I am NOT a specialist in this area though :oops:
Us Lise has cut her first teeth ... I will attach a picture. Things are actually going well. Swimming is lots of fun although Lise still refuses to go on her back to float (tummy tummy tummy is all she wants!!) We plan to start with a baby stimulation group next year - swimming will keep us busy untill then.
Bye for now
Nikki
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 12, 2005, 13:30:30 pm
Just trying to catch up here...

Schae - Are you still having problems with nightwakings?  We have had some rough nights with Maya recently, but I think (hope) it is teething.  From the little she will let me see, I think her top teeth are coming down.  Forgive me if you've already explained, but is it just in the early evening or all through the night?

Hazel
- Your schedule looks roughly like what we're shooting for.  Have you had any disruptions of late?  If not, the only thing that comes to mind is developmental stuff.  Has he gotten more vocal lately?  If so, he may be just practicing.

Heather
- Evening walks are our saving grace too (though Maya's been crashing around 6pm lately, so we haven't been so often lately).  If she enjoys them, though, bundle her up appropriately and keep going.

Christine - If I remember correctly, one suggestion in the the second book to eliminate habitual middle of the night feedings is to substitue water for formula for a few nights, then ultimately switch to a pacifier (if she takes one).  You also might try disassociating the bottle with daytime sleep as well.

Joanne - How old is Hannah?  She could just be going through a growth spurt.  Have you tried pumping after your daytime feedings to increase daytime supply (easier said than done, I know)?

Tarri - Glad to hear things are going well.  I'm never quite sure what Maya's liquid intake is, but she is taking ~4oz of solids 3x a day.

Deb - You're always welcome here.

Nikki - I love the photos.  The pink chair is great.

Our schedule... It's a bit off as I keep having to adjust her morning nap for doctor's appts, but this roughly it.  It varies y +/- 1/2hr.

7am - Wake and bf
9am - Solids
9:30am - Nap (1.5hrs)
11am - Wake and bf
1pm - Solids
1:30pm - Nap (1.5hrs)
3pm - Wake and bf
5:30pm - Solids
6:30-7pm - Bf and bed

And Maya is up early, so I'll have to post about us later.  We have a ped appt this morning, so I put her down a little early, and I guess it is backfiring on me.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 12, 2005, 14:43:34 pm
Debra - I am sorry - I feel slightly to blame.  I was one of the late arrivals to this thread.  I didn't mean to tread on anyones toes.  I have always really appreciated your comments to me and have found them really helpful.  I guess I feel a bit 'useless' when it comes to replying to other peoples problems which is maybe why I haven't responded to your posts.  Again, I'm sorry.  Sooooo glad to hear Olivia is doing better with her napping.  And as far as crawling goes, I really have no advice as Daniel is just NOT interested at the moment in crawling at all.  He is so happy though just sitting and playing that I'm not worried.

Nikki - We celebrated our 3 year anniversary in Aug and went away overnight and left Daniel with my mum and dad.  I did find it wuite difficult but he loved it.  Hope you get to do the same.  Also, the photos are beautiful.  Lise has such gorgeous eyes.

Us - nothing much to tell.  Daniel seems to have settled back down again and is not waking up so much at night anymore.  He still seems to like 5.30am though :evil:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Kinlagh's Folks on October 12, 2005, 16:59:01 pm
Debra - You took the words out of my mouth.  I just find it too much to keep up with which is why I've been a little scarce lately.  I just don't have the time anymore to reply to everyone and I guess I feel like if I can't put in 100%, I just won't post anymore.  But I do come by and read how everyone is doing.  I too hope it's ok with everyone that I just come by to "visit" and not really "participate".

Hope everyone is doing well.

Bye for now.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: dkjokisch on October 12, 2005, 17:28:25 pm
Well, we had our 9mos well-visit with the ped today.  Maya hasn't gained and weight (or grown in height) since her 6mos visit.  In fact, she's lost 1/2lb since we were there three weeks ago.  They are going to do some tests, and I need to put her on a high-calorie diet.

And I guess I never posted about our visit to the orthotist.  He measured her head to get an idea of the degree of deformation.  I don't even know quite how to explain how they do it, but the deformation is 19mm (almost an inch).  For comparison purposes, our insurance considers anything less than 6mm to be cosmetic.  So I think we are going to go ahead with the helmet.

On the upside, our visit with the PT went really well, and she said Maya's doing really well and we don't have to come back.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 12, 2005, 18:13:24 pm
Deb:  So sorry to hear that, but I can understand.  Though I was a newcomer once upon a time, I miss the activity from some of the original posters when I joined.  Everyone comments on how busy the list is though, so I have tried to keep my posts to just once a day to consolidate (though I read throughout the day).  I also do not respond to another post unless I have something meaningful to comment -- again, not wanting to clutter the list with "I'm sorry you're having a rough day", "sounds fun", "glad it went well", etc unless I have something else to contribute.  I figure by leaving those mini replies out, it will keep things shorter and encourage others to continue to read and post.  Also, often times I don't have any good suggestions or solutions, but I'm always interested to read and learning much!  Oh, and I've also been feeling a bit guilty and overwhelmed at home lately, figuring my computer time isn't helping, so I've tried to cut back on my posting.  I hope you will conitnue to read and post as you can, though I'm sure you're busy with two LOs and being a moderator.  I find your advice and experience invaluable though and enjoy hearing about your days (as you give me ideas of my own with Asher).
BTW, congrats on the long naps!  Wonderful, isn't it?   :wink:   We are also struggling with solids and BF right now.  I posted on the BF board because Asher has been refusing to nurse before bed (only one responded though).  He WILL drink 8 oz from a bottle, so go figure!  :?   Last night I tried feeding in his room again after much frustration in the living room.  He then decided to eat.  I guess he realized I wasn't gonna give up and let him down to play?  The one who responded to me felt he was too young to drop to 4 feeds.  So I'm at a loss.

Deborah: What kind of tests will they run?  I have a feeling Asher hasn't gained/grown much either.  But he was ahead of the charts the first 4 months, so my ped wasn't concerned when he had only gained 3/4 lb and 3/4 inch at the 6 month.  She contributed it to how active he was and that we hadn't started solids yet.  I recently measured Asher's height so I could buy some new winter clothes and he appears to only grown another half inch since 6 months!  It's a bit unsettling, but I'm trying not to sweat it until we actually go to the doctor and make it official.

Us, well, I've given up on teething.  He got the new bottoms in, but those top two just keep disappearing and reappearing.  So I didn't give him ANY teething rememdies or tylenol yesterday, just to spite.  Doesn't seem to make a difference anyway!!  And then before bed, I saw the reappearance of one of the top teeth -- but I still didn't give tylenol before bed.  And what do you know?  He slept better than he has in 4 days!  :roll:
I've been pretty discouraged myself.  I feel overwhelmed by my messy house, but too paralyzed to do anything about it.  And with Asher's spit up, poor sleep, and teething/non-teething thrown in....  Then add our financial struggles.  Our water heater started leaking and has warped the laminate flooring all around.  Who knows how much all this will cost?  :?   DH is looking for a better job, but not very quickly.  He's not a motivated person and I handle the money.  Even though I tell him, he's in denial so he doesn't look as hard as I'd like him too.  It's hard not to feel or act like his mother, barking out orders and reminders.  To top it all off, I've realized lately how lazy he's become at home since I stay home.  Things he used to do, he takes for granted now -- like simply rinsing his plate and putting it in the diswasher.  He doesn't even put it in the sink and run water in it, just lets it dry on the counter for me to scrub the dried food off later.  As he played computer games off and on all weekend while I watched Asher, I'd ask him to watch Asher so I can do what?  Laundry, clean the bathroom, make Asher's meals, vacuum, make dinner, etc.  Sure he's willing to watch, but it's not like I'm relaxing or anything!   :roll:   Thanks for letting me vent.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 12, 2005, 18:42:15 pm
I am a relative newbie to this site, I've been reading and posting for maybe the last 5 months or so.  Someone in answering another of my posts a while back suggested I join this thread, and I did.  However, I did feel like I was honing in on other posters, not as "new" as me.  But I figured, I'll just try and get past the fact that I'm new, and keep reading the posts, and responding when I can, and have something of substance to add.

That said, I don't think I'm going to post to this thread anymore.  While I like reading about what's going on with everyone, I think I get more answers to questions and such when I post them in the appropriate forum.  And I honestly can't seem to keep up with the thread, it takes too much time to read everyone's postings.  Besides, trying to moderate the debate forum seems to be taking up a lot more of my time that I spend on this site anyway.

Anyway, thanks, and I'll see you elsewhere on the site.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 12, 2005, 21:32:05 pm
Tammy, gosh, I'm sorry and sorta surprised to hear that.  I guess I've had the opposite experience!   :lol:   Once I joined this thread, I pretty much stopped reading all others because everyone here seemed so much more interested and helpful.  I often get only 1 or no replies when I post in other forums.

Sheesh, should we start a "NEW jan/feb 05" thread?  So those who want to continue can, as well as those who want to bow out, and then newbies who felt like they couldn't join the original could start fresh?  Then everyone would be on the same playing ground again and feel welcome?   :?:

I just checked other threads.  It appears we move twice as fast as everyone else!   :shock:   Maybe I should pipe down now!  :lol:
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Jaime on October 12, 2005, 21:37:53 pm
hey all,

i never meant that i didn't like seeing new faces, so i'm sorry if it came across that way.

i was just agreeing that there were a lot of new people, and we all seem to be so much busier (how many of us have started a post with "only have a few minutes" or "gee, so much has happened since i left") that it's hard to keep up with everyone, and i feel that we're just stretching thinner & thinner - and don't seem to have the same sense of community that there was before (even with 20 people!)  maybe our babies are getting so big that we don't need this thread so much anymore either.

that being said, i love to see what's been going on with all your babies, even the newbies!  hey, we were all new to this thread at one point.   :wink:

but i think julieb has a point - we probably should start a new thread - this one has gotten crazy long.   :D
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: thitz on October 13, 2005, 00:20:37 am
Debra, I was wonderering where you were.  I thought you didn't have time for us anymore because you're moderating :wink: .  I think you should use the thread however it works best for you.  I mean that's what baby whisperer is all about, helping mom and baby!  Is Olivia still gaining weight nicely?  If so, try not to worry about her eating patterns, I think you just need to stop counting how much she eats and maybe just stick to offering bottle/solids at consistent times each day and that's that.  I've stopped counting Emily's intake cause she's never drank more than 30oz in a day and now drinks less cause of solids.  And she regularly only drinks 2-3oz for one of her bottles each day.  But she keeps getting chubbier and growing bigger and is happy so I don't even think about it anymore.  For your anniversary, how about you just cook something special and you can eat together at home by candlelight!  Maybe a cheese fondue, that's easy to make and super tasty!

Deborah, at least you got some answers from the orthotist and you know what direction you're going in.  Did the doctor say how long she'll have to wear the helmet for?

Julie, go ahead and vent.  It makes me feel better when I'm mad at my dh too.  However, my dh has been super good, he always helps out when I need him to.  Like this morning I asked if he could load the dishwasher and he loaded and then later unloaded it too!  Of course he's still looking for work so he's home working on personal projects and it's easy for him to stop and help out.

Schae, any word on your potential job yet?  Dh is supposed to get a jog offer tomorrow.  I hope it will work out nicely.

Everyone, I sooo don't want any of you to go away :( .  I already miss Branwen's posts.  I like sharing with you guys even if it's 'little stuff' cause I love reading all your 'little stuff'.  I hate to say it but if it's not working for so many people maybe we could split it into one thread for January and one thread for February babies.  Although I would still read both.

Have a good day/night everyone, Tarri
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: HeatherC on October 13, 2005, 00:28:52 am
I do think that we need to lock this particular thread b/c it is so long.  83 pages!  Let's start fresh.  I see this thread as a place to share what's going on in our lives.  We're not always going to be able to answer each other's questions b/c we are all in the same boat-new moms-with the exception of a few.  I always read everyone's posts, but many times do not have a solution.  I try to offer encouraging words or congratulations, but do not always have the time.  Think about it-our lo's are becoming much more active and demanding of our time.  Why don't we just pop in here to share, vent, and chat.  There are so many boards that can helps us with individual problems, and we can use this one for general topics.  I enjoy having moms in similar situations with their lo so that I can gain ideas as to what to do next.  We have other support groups-family, friends, church, etc-that advice us (wanted or unwanted), and we can share that with each other, too.
I think if we start a new thread, it would be easier for people to read, rather than being scared off by 80+ pages.  JMHO
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Leah's Mom on October 13, 2005, 00:59:39 am
I agree with Heather. I will see about locking this thread and starting fresh. We have grown to be a large group, but I don't want anyone leaving because of this. Here are a few suggestions from me:  :D

 :arrow: Please do not feel obligated to respond to everyone everytime you post a reply. In other words, do not feel that you need to "catch up" with everyone! I know I have felt this way before! Stressful!
 :arrow: Respond only to the questions you feel confident about answering.
 :arrow: If you want, pop in to just tell a story or share some great news!
 :arrow: If you have a questions that no one here seems to be able to answer, post it elsewhere. There are A LOT of intelligent people lurking on this site!

Hopefully everyone is on the same page now! PLEASE do not leave becuase you think you are not welcome. I have grown to love and admire everyone that chats here! I look forward to reading about your LO's, even if I don't have time to respond. Know that everyone here is loved and wanted!!!!!!! So Tammy, come back!!!! Even if it is to just share what is happening with Ethan. I was the one who invited you in the first place!  :D Oh, and Julieb you don't talk too much!!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Tammy: Ethan & Kaden's Mom on October 13, 2005, 02:35:51 am
I hope no one took offense to my earlier post (there seems to be a bit of negativity going around this site lately)...

Christine - I like your suggestions.  I think one of the problems with the thread is that there are too many people to respond to, and it's like if you don't, then you're leaving people out.  At least that is how I feel.  Like I didn't care enough to respond to certain people's posts.

Anyhow, I think it would be good to start a new thread, and just let people share as needed, and people can respond as needed.  Although I don't want anyone to feel "snubbed" if their post isn't responded to.  It's a fine line, I guess.

Anyway, I will probably not post as much, but I will continue to read!

And I'm dead serious when I said the debate forum is busy - trying to keep up with some of those debate threads can get very involved!  Whew!  I'm exhausted just reading them!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 13, 2005, 03:53:38 am
hi everyone - OMG i feel like i opened a can of worms!!

I hope that no one who was relatively "new" took offense by my post.  i did not mean to offend anyone.  i probably shoudl have taken longer to re read my post etc but hat is part of the problem - limited time to focus my attention - and you ladies deserve more focused attention  :wink: Obviously I (and Branwen) was not alone in how i was thinking... anyway i hope everyone feels comfortable with each other still and i do read every day i just did not have the energy to FOCUS and I swear sometimes i woudl read everything and then see someone respond to a post and i never even saw that info (i am like - was i reading the same post?  :oops: )

anyway - i am a moderator of this board and can lock this thread and start a new one if you like - i would love to still be involved and maybe a fresh start is all we need.

 
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Please do not feel obligated to respond to everyone everytime you post a reply. In other words, do not feel that you need to "catch up" with everyone! I know I have felt this way before! Stressful!
 Respond only to the questions you feel confident about answering.
 If you want, pop in to just tell a story or share some great news!
 If you have a questions that no one here seems to be able to answer, post it elsewhere. There are A LOT of intelligent people lurking on this site
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how would you feel if we stopped this thread and started  a NEW jan/feb thread with Christine's points as part of the first post so new readers can feel comfortable?

let me know what you want to do.

also - Thanks Tarri - you have personally always kept me sane about olivia's feeding.  sometimes it really helps to know someone is in the same boat and you always have practical advice to keep me more sane and relaxed about it all.  she shocked us this morning and took 170ml (6+ oz) at first bottle  :D  (she had woken at 6:20 but did not get bottle until 7 so maybe she just needs time to wake up more before offering the bottle)
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: julieb on October 13, 2005, 04:31:45 am
Deb, I think that's a great idea to start a new thread with those tips.  Also, I'd suggest making the title something to the effect of "The NEW Jan/Feb 05 moms chat" OR "A Fresh Start -- Jan/Feb 05 moms chat", just so newbies catch the drift.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 13, 2005, 05:26:37 am
thanks - i will leave it until tomorrow morning my time (Thursday night in US / Canada) and see if anyone objects.  then i will lock this thread and start a new one and post the tips assuming this is what everyone wants.

i have missed you guys and hope that with a very relaxed feel to it a new thread is what we need to reconnect and make everyone feel less stressed - this is supposed to be fun and supportive without any pressure  :D  and i woudl love to have some lighthearted chat.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Daniel's mummy on October 13, 2005, 08:03:51 am
A new thread sounds great.  Thanks everyone.
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: herbst99 on October 13, 2005, 08:21:53 am
I totally agree with the new site - as my Lise is not "really" an Jan/Feb baby - 4march I am maybe trespassing where I shouldn't be!?
but I found that all the people and babies here could help out with questions more as you have gone through them already - and I also get a better idea on what to expect.
I look forward to visiting the new thread and saying hi to all!!
Title: Jan/Feb 05 Babies chat!
Post by: Deb_in_oz on October 13, 2005, 08:39:03 am
ok - i don't write lately and now i am on the thread all day!

i will lock it after i put the kids down for the night in an hour and then start the new thread so it will be there when you NorthernHem. people wake up.


BIG GROUP HUG

Nikki - thanks for your note.  i don't have any family in Oz (neither does Dh who is from England).  my support group is good - i went again today and it made me realize something so i am excited to get stuck in next week (first 2 weeks were setting goals and getting to know the other 7 members and their situations)  Tonight there is a couple session but again, no babysitter and too difficult, but still 10 weeks x 2 hrs is a lot of work to make some progress.