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Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on December 29, 2005, 15:33:27 pm
Okay, here's the new thread.  That felt so cool!   8)

No time to type as I am still at my mom's and Ryan needs the office for his nap.   :(   He's sleeping well, but has a cold and I think for real this time that his 2nd tooth is coming.  We'll see.
We are home tomorrow and I will be back boring you all to tears.   :lol:
Love, Kate
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 29, 2005, 15:45:26 pm
boy kate, you're so cool.  can i hang out with you??

welcome to all newcomers to the March/April '05 thread.  Feel free to join in our madness anytime!

okay, our night was better...waking at midnight and back down...up from 4:30-5:45 then down until 6:30.  sheesh, hard to believe that's a good night :roll:  top tooth nearly through then maybe, just maybe I'll have my sweet little sleeper back again!

judy-any update on the poop?  maybe try the qtip suppository?  ouchie.

bec-priceless pic of helle.  far more entertaining than cole's spaced out "boy my tooth sure hurts" look that he has going on santa's lap.

he just found himself in the mirror on his exersaucer and his having a conversation with himself. LOL!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on December 29, 2005, 17:09:23 pm
Good morning and welcome to the new thread :)  Kate you are so cute.  I can't wait to read your boring posts again soon  :lol:  :wink:

Michelle, that is great that you and ex dh (can you call him that? :) )  Are on such good terms.  Dh and his ex are fairly good at dealing with the situation but she pretty much makes all of the decisions schooling etc and he just sort of goes along.  Kinda drives me crazy but what can I do?  We see him every other weekend and holidays.  We have him all week this week because of xmas break.  He absolutely loves Sophie.  It is really cute.  In fact yesterday morning (they share a room) I went downstairs to make her a bottle in the morning and she was fussing a bit in her crib while I was making it.  Anyhow, Brendan woke up and I could hear him on the monitor saying "It's Ok Sophie girl I'm right here"  over and over.  It was so precious.  I have to be really careful what I say as I have mentioned before that Sophie would "miss" him when he left to go back to mom's and he gets really sad and says "But Sophie, I have to go to first grade.  You understand right?"   Aside from the room sharing thing, I think he really wishes he could be with us more(because of her). 

Also, thanks for the input on Mason and the tv watching thing.  I really know that it is not going to warp Sophie's brain if the tv is on...I guess it's probably my own issue.  I kind of hate having the tv on especially as background noise.  It seems like it was always on when I was growing up.  It is always on at IL's and no one is watching!  It drives me crazy to be sitting together talking and have the tv on.  Anyhow.  I really have appreciated the conversation about it.

Bec..you are too funny.  The "other" kinds of smoke...I guess I should leave that up to your imagination :)  Otherwise I might not be allowed to visit my lifeline anymore :)  Lol at "Helle"  and Santa's expression is too funny.  Also...stranger danger in the chat  :lol: IKWYM.  I finally learned how to check who's in there before I go in.  :)  Silly me...I still enjoy chatting with anyone most of the time though it's not as satisfying as having you girls there.

Roz...good to see you and Cathy welcome home.

Where's Ankie??? 

Nikki- lol about the baby Neptune song...it is actually the song from World Animals...the ocean part.  I only know this becasue Sophie loves that song...if I start singing it when the movie is not on...she whips her head around to look at me like "Hey! How do YOU know that song?"  It makes me think of what it will be like in the future when we are driving in the car and some old song comes on the radio that was popular when I was in highschool and it's come back around and I'll start singing along and she'll say "Mom...stop...that's so embarassing :roll: "

Andrea...I have never really looked closely at the ADD ADHD/and tv studies so I have no idea.  I am happy to assume that your ped is right and that genetics are probably a huge factor as well as other environmental things besides tv watching.  I think it would be really hard to pin something like add/adhd (which is so subjective anyway) on tv watching.  I think the fact that there is a correlation is not a surprise, but that certainly doesn't mean that one causes the other. 
I bet Ankie knows more about this?? Or Kate or Erin? (The other teachers maybe?)  IF we want to keep discussing it that is...feel free to drop it :)

OK, one more chapter to my book here.   I forgot to mention one of my favorite xmas presents.  (I would say pressies...but I'm trying to hold on to a little of my americanisms... why? I don't really know, Crikey!)  MIL bought me an antique baby crib.  I absolutely love it.  It will be basically decorative in Sophie's rom for her stufffed animals etc...but eventually she could play with it as a doll bed (IF she plays with dolls...:)OMG, she is going to play with dolls isn't she?...she's probably going to want barbies too..I am sooo in for it)  Anyhow.  I am excited for her to have her own room soon so that i can set it up..

Woops...one more thing. Richelle I am turning green over the high thread count sheets I love that kind of stuff.
Also, I would say I found the BW site much the same way you did.  Read the book, needed clarification, posted, didn't get much response. Posted again later, found you girls and the rest is history :)

TTFN
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on December 29, 2005, 19:04:18 pm
OMG Richelle, 600 thread count would be heaven! My 500 pales in comparison!!!! 1000...I would have to resort to CIO as I would never get out of bed!  :wink:

Thanks for the compliments on dh. Of course, i would never tell him as his ego would be too difficult to handle... Seriously, I love him to bits and I cannot believe that he was single when I met him at age 34! (he was 34, not me) BTW, he is 42, I don't think he looks it but then he is sooo patient and relaxed!

Kate, too cool about starting a new thread! Looking forward to more posts from you all.

Hannah, please, please tell me how to check who is in the chat room before I enter. I feel obligated to stay and chat for a bit even if I know no one and my first instinct is also to run!! Very stranger anxious, me!

Will be back later, no doubt.
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 29, 2005, 19:30:18 pm
ooooh, hannah-you are BRILLIANT.  I just went and looked.  When you go into chat there is something near the top that says "there are X number of users in chat".  It is underlined.  If you click on it it says who is in.
Of course if we call click and don't go in...then none of us will ever be there KWIM?

forgot to mention Richelle-those sheets sound heavenly.  I MUST invest in good bedding.  All of mine is cheapo IKEA or something similar.  I have jersey sheets for winter though and they are super comfy.  I've been trying to find new bedding so I can totally redo our room.  It still is not painted after 6 years in this house! ugh.  i need a haven to escape to!

well, we're going to a party tonight.  wish me luck.  last time we put cole down and woke him at 11 to come home he slept right through.  maybe it will work again.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 29, 2005, 19:32:37 pm
Judy-are you online?  are there any other parenting books you recommend?  Chapters is having a sale and DH is going there later on.

Wasn't there something like "how to talk to your child..."?

thanks
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 29, 2005, 20:20:22 pm
I'm heeeeereeeeeee!!! :)

Sorry I was out today ladies.  DH is home so I took the opportunity to go out... actually a friend needed some help with some computer stuff so I was kinda working!  Wow, had to get my work brain functioning.  It was nice.

So... poop update... the remedy worked! :)  it took a bit.  This morning we still had 3 bouts of hard pushing with little result.  Then we had the hard pushing with a lot of result and following that, a good 'normal' diaper!  :)  and  one happy girl!

Traci - yes that's a great book - "how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk"  Excellent book!  I think one of the authors is Adele Faber??? But I could be wrong on that.  I've just got a well recommended book by someone Greene (ross??) called the Explosive Child.  Deb has recommended it on here a number of times and I've had other people at the UP site recommend it.  It's hard to know if it will be useful to anyone yet though.  I'm reading it more for Zoe who is older and very emotional.  Probably very normal - like if her sandwhich isn't cut properly or a bit of crust is tearing off she will fall to the floor in screams :roll:  The book is about much MORE emotional kids but I thought it would be useful in understanding how she feels and how to deal with it rather than letting myself be frustrated at her.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 29, 2005, 20:24:29 pm
Yep I always use the view who's in there first.  But I also love going in and meeting up with my old pals from when we used to chat.  Also, these baby chat threads are a relatively new thing so it is nice that we have everyone to chat with daily.

Well no sign of that tooth today, so maybe it's popped back down a bit.

Judy, did the remedy work on Kaia?

Hannah, you can see my brain has been warped by all the BE watching! LOL. 

Gotta go, Nathan wants to play Tractor Tom online.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 29, 2005, 20:33:49 pm
OK, have distracted Nathan for a bit LOL.

Judy, we posted at the same time.  Nathan is doing the whole my food is broken and falls to pieces over it - OMG, who would have thought a bit of cheese tearing off was the end of the world??  Glad to hear the remedy worked.

Richelle, I just went back and read the last page of the old thread, I missed it for some reason.  Cool to hear that Sophie was getting back into her playing.  For me that was the main reason the TV got switched off, not so much the possible ADHD or anything, I just really noticed a positive change in his ability to play.

I also had to go back and read what you were all talking about sheets and thread counts - I was SOOOOOO confused, never heard of them talked that way before.   :lol:

Bec, I'm going to check out those links later on today, when I get the kids down for a nap hopefully and will let you know.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on December 30, 2005, 00:48:06 am
hey girls just popped into say hi!!!
Welcome to all the newbies.
Just had to say thaank you to Lisa and Richelle, I gor your cards in the past couple of days...thank you sooo much. Ankie I did get yours too, I got swamped with them last week.
That was such a good idea...loved getting the cards from around the place.
Well gotts run, I had to stay late tonite, oh well!!! thank goodness for over time!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on December 30, 2005, 01:12:54 am
Quick hello!!!  So, after Carter went down for his nap today, I went for my mommy nap and had the weirdest dream!!!  I dreamt that it was Fri night ... chat time ... but all of our husbands took over and chatted to each other instead!!!  So weird!!  It was funny because they were talking about our lo's like we do and not about sports or cars or other "manly" things!!!  You know you're addicted to BW when ... you dream about BW!!!!  :shock:  :lol:

Hmm .. Chapters is having a sale ???  I hope it's an across Canada sale.  I must check and see if there is a sale here too.  Thanks Traci!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 30, 2005, 01:57:05 am
Hi - having a quick check in with my girls while Daniel settles for sleep, then I'm off outside to restain our outdoor chairs. It's kind of 'my job' each year to do them. Well I started doing them and I've kept it up ever since. I like doing it as it makes them look all new again.

Sheets.... ahhhh, I love the idea of nice ones, but most of ours are cheapies. The only really nice ones which are 100% cotton crease like crazy which annoys me and as I don't get into ironing much they look terrible.  :oops: We have just bought/got given for Chrissy pressy a new summer duvet 100% cotton. Much nicer to sleep under than the dacron/polyester filled ones. Feels luxurious so that's a start to my luxury bed. :D

I'll have to have a look at those parenting books too. So many options it's hard to know what to look for to read about, so recommendations are good. I've borrowed a couple from our library, one called Discipline without Shouting or Spanking (Wyckoff & Unell) and another called Raising Boys by Steve Bidulff. Haven't actually read either yet, but I've flicked thru a little bit and seems ok. I hope so. Although the discipline one does use time out, but that's after you've gone thru what happened, what should have happened, and what to do next time. If that doesn't work in one example they've used an appropriate length of time out. I'll let you know what it's like once I've read it. I was talking with my mum about discipline, saying I don't really remember how they disciplined us, so it can't have been bad. She just said her thoughts on what we will do will be that we are doing what we think is right for our family and for our children. Hopefully it will be the best way of dealing with the situation. She /they were not 'dictators' or overly disciplinary and I think that's why it's not an issue for me. Her sisters used to say she was too soft on us, but considering I used to be 'scared' of my aunty I think she (aunty) was too hard/old school. So perhaps my mum was of the UP type and we just didn't know it back then. Wow, I'm lucky to have such an easy going mum I guess. MIL the same I think, although I get the feeling the wooden spoon may have been used in DH's family once or twice. At least a smack. Something I definitely want to avoid. I don't see how that can help any situation.

Enough from me for now.

Oh, just wanted to add that DH looked after Daniel thismorning from when he woke up (Daniel) at 7.00am until about 1pm. I got up after toast and coffee in bed had a shower and went shopping. Bought some lingerie, t-shirt and a pot plant pot, plus stuff for my table. Anyway.... big rave for wonderful DH looking after son so well and big smiles for my heart when I came in the door (to a clean kitchen might I add) and my little boy gives me a huge smile and holds his hands out for me!  :D What a wonderful feeling it is to be a mum. We are all soooo lucky!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 30, 2005, 02:25:16 am
Bec thanks for those links... I started in on the first one but then had to go out. It sounded really interesting - I want to get back to it.  I think I'll bookmark it because I'm getting ready for bed right now - sooo tired today.

Yeah Nikki - food is a big button pusher around here.  I cannot believe the heartbreak it causes and how much just CANNOT be accepted when it isn't perfect.  If only they could understand/see what it looks like once they've chewed it up! :)

As for chat - yes I know I've never made it on.  Nothing personal but I've been busy with my shows up till now you know ;) ... I had popped in to the Friday night chats when they used to have them but I just can't pull myself away and then I'm up WAY too late.  (no self control I guess) Anyway, I was going to say, I think they're reviving the Friday night chats with some and that's why you are finding more 'outsiders' ;) there.  Nikki, are you finding with these new threads (like this one) that you aren't getting to the rest of the site much?  I find I'm so engrossed here that I rarely poke around elsewhere - I try to make a point every couple days but not like I used to.  These chat threads are nice!! :)


Hayley!!  How wonderful for you to get out for a little personal shopping and come home to a smiling young lad and a clean kitchen!!!  I went out today to do some software consulting and came home to a complete disaster!!  DH went out to do some shopping so I sent the older girls with him and cleaned the joint up - so in the end I felt good but golly how nice it would have been to have someone else do it!!  Big hugs to your dh tonight! :)  Oh, and you bought lingerie??  WTH is that?  :)  Does my blue and white checked jammie shirt with my pink striped lounge pants combo count?  If I'm not wearing underwear does that make it sexy?  LOL  Oh man - I need to go to bed, I'm pathetic!! :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on December 30, 2005, 04:17:02 am
Hello ladies,

Nikki... thanks for the links. If any of you would have mentioned Alfie Kohn, I would have known what you were talking about. I guess I know of him in an educational capacity so... didn't make the connection to UP. He was the keynote speaker at one of the seminars this year but I didn't make it... too pregnant!

Karen, lovely pic of your family! I made the congee today with grated carrots and minced cooked turkey. Arwyn ate all 2-ish tablespoons! Yeah! My child eats so little... I just can't get her to eat anymore so it is great that she will eat this! Also, this is the first "hot" food she has eaten in a while. For the past little while, she would only eat cold "straight from the fridge" food. :roll:

We have a TV freak over here. We have owned the 15 disc set from before she was born and we just bought Wordsworth and On the Go for Christmas. I found that we let her watch more of it when we are both home and busy. So... while cleaning out the fridge and washing it, we put it on. While getting the turkey ready, we put it on. When DH is back to work though, she will get significantly less as I normally don't put it on at all while I am at home with her.

Link between ADD / ADHD and TV... hmmm... well, I have heard that. I don't know how solid that theory is. I know that the flashing images are geared to holding attention for short periods of time... you will notice that all children's shows do this. Think about Sesame Street... everything is in 30 sec. vingettes and the letters and numbers flash several times during those 30 seconds. I think the hazard of TV is the need to be "entertained". I feel that children who watch too much TV or spend too much time playing computer games have a need to be "entertained". These are students who frequently complain that the teacher is boring or "why do I have to learn this?" or simply can't pay attention.

As for the cause of ADD/ ADHD, has anybody read the book, Scattered Minds by Gabor Mate? He has an interesting theory that ADD / ADHD has roots in-utero and that events in pregnancy can trigger it.

Okay... I have been MIA in the last few days... DH is home and we have been spending some family time together. Something happened today that is so upsetting to me and I am having a hard time coping.

Arywn fell down the stairs in her walker.

DH left the gate open at the top of the stairs and she went flying down them. I was in the kitchen preparing her lunch so we could take it with us and I hear this loud clatter and then silence. I shout "OMG!" when I realized what happened and DH realized at the same time. I get to the top of the stairs and all I see are her little legs pointing upwards and the walker, right side up, on top of her little body. DH sprints down the stairs and throws the walker off her and picks her up. She is screaming down the house and I am crying. I couldn't stop crying... I held her and touched every little part of her tiny body to check if something was broken. I was just so upset at DH for leaving the gate open. He came upstairs and just left it open. I have told him I am still mad... I can't stop thinking about it. Arwyn could have been killed or permanently disabled. I am still very upset about it and get all choked up everytime I see the stairs or the gate. (Of course, I can see the damn things at the computer.)

Arwyn is fine. We didn't go to the hospital or anything as she returned to her regular self within 10 minutes. I think me crying upset her more than anything. We spent some time at a friend's and then drove home and drove around while she got her full 1.5 hour nap. Then she played like her usual self. She did take 45 minutes to put down for sleep though.

I am still worried. Should I take her to the hospital? I told DH that we need to be on baby watch tonight and check on her every 2 hours. (We had to do that after she hit her head and needed stitches. :oops: ) I am feeling like a really bad mommy and I didn't even leave the gate open. What upsets me the most is that DH isn't as cautious as me about Arwyn. He thinks everything is fine. He lets her pull up on stuff and he is across the room or sitting at the computer. Drives me nuts. Today's incident happened on "my watch" but it is DH's lack of responsibility that caused it. I am so mad and upset and don't know how to deal with it. What if there actually are injuries that are not obvious? Internal bleeding? Brain damage? I am so paranoid. I just couldn't imagine life without her (or the her I know).

Help.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 30, 2005, 04:17:09 am
Bec, I still haven't checked out those links I ended up napping when the kids did today which rarely happens - but I was just soooo tired, I succumbed to my snugly bed.  So, will read them tonight.

Judy, I don't cruise the other threads as much as I used to, I'm hooked to this one  8) , I do still click "all new posts" but really quickly scan for mostly toddler threads, lounge and the odd other forum (and Activity too).  I already feel so over baby threads and so glad I'm over the whole newborn thing!

Hayley, your shopping morning out sounds fab!  Since I don't pump or do bottles, I think my longest away from D is about 2hrs in the weekends.  Roll on 3mths!  :) 

LOL, Judy at the underwear thing - do shabby-old-stretched-been-through-two-children nursing bras count with comfy cotton undies?  I am looking forward to new underwear shopping I must say, think I'll need some booby-reviving bras though.  :shock:

Right, off to sort out dinner, BE's been through 2 rounds...DH has gotten home early from work.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 30, 2005, 04:26:37 am
OMG Ankie, how scary!  So pleased to hear that she is ok though.  My DH isn't/wasn't as safety minded either when Nathan was a baby, he's gotten really good thougha nd I do still need to give reminders about certain things though.  Just look at it as a good lesson and know that it won't happen again.  As I mentioned once before we had a very scary incident when Nathan had just learnt to walk and the gate at the front door wasn't closed by DH (it was summer and too hot for the door to be shut) and I found him walking down the driveway towards the road!  Never, has it happened again, it's a horrible lesson to learn and could have been so tragic.

I think I would tend to do what you are doing, checking on her regulary throughout the night.  Did she get any big bumps or bruising?  I think if she did then there could be delayed problems (although Nathan's had a few big goose-eggs on his head in his time where I haven't taken him to the doctor for - just monitored closely).  {{Hugs}}, don't beat yourselves up over it, just learn from it.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 30, 2005, 04:53:57 am
Oh Ankie, I hope you're both alright. It must have been a terrible fright for you all. I know nothing about dr/hospital stuff so couldn't recommend what to do, but I'm with Nikki, keep checking on Arwyn and if she's more sleepy than normal at the wrong time get her checked.

Judy and Nikki I was in the same boat as you guys with lingerie, some of my knickers which had originally had lace embroidered on had no more lace!!!! I tell you, what a mess they were. I can't say I bought sexy lingerie, just boring white, but it's comfy, fits nicely and is new! Oh actually I bought a black and pink pair of knickers aswell. I had decided when I stopped feeding I'd get some new bras, hoping I'd drop a few sizes from what I used to be but alas no, still bigger than average and now 'sloppy' too! Sorry if TMI, but it's true, you do lose your shape when you stop feeding. I was hoping I might be different from all other women, but no, apparently not! :lol:  :roll:

I was also looking at clothes today and it made me miss work cos I used to wear nice clothes to work, now I have no need for anything but casual clothes.  :cry: I miss getting dressed up with skirts and nice shirts etc. We never go out so no need for any clothes for going out either. Infact we've only just today been invited to a friends place for NY eve tomorrow, if they hadn't rung we'd be by ourselves. How sad is that????? These friends are on the Base with twins so also find it easier to be at home this year too. So at least we can walk around to their house tomorrow afternoon and we'll just put Daniel to sleep in the buggy, then when it's time to go home walk / wheel him home to bed. Nice and easy.

Well better go play with my boy. Then time for bath.

Bye. Happy New Year everyone incase we don't 'talk' tomorrow.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 30, 2005, 05:31:45 am
Bec, I've read about half the interview and here are my thoughts so far...

I think she is totally in line with what I understand of the UP theory.  Getting away from rewards and punishments (so instead of teaching children that they must do as they're told) it's helping children make wise decisions that will serve them well as adults. 

"Good Boy" - this is something I try not to do as suggested by the author, it's just a bland response that is actually passing judgement on the child, not actually being helpful.  So I might say to Nathan, "wow, what have you drawn there?" if he's drawn a picture (a few scribbles  :wink: ) instead of saying "hey good boy, that's a good picture". If he tells me proudly it's a truck I'll say "that's a pretty neat looking truck".  I also avoid saying good boy for everyday activities (in fact Tracy touches on that too).  If he's sitting down to drink his drink I'll acknowledge it but not necessarily praise him for it.  Or if he's worked hard to get some food on his fork, I'll acknowledge it but not overpraise on it.

THere is an article out there in cyber world titled something like "why saying good job is not a good idea" - it's along the same lines.

Gotta go, back later once I've read more.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on December 30, 2005, 05:43:50 am
Oh my it took me 3 days to catch up.  Happy belated Christmas to everyone.  After reading all of the Christmas stories I don't feel sorry for myself anymore.
We had a pretty relaxed time in San Diego.  Stayed at a friends house who stayed at our house in San Jose.  Was super nervous that my parents would be upset because we only stayed one night at their house but everything went smoothly.  Only to return with Ben having a fever and waking again at 5, boo hoo.
So many funny storied thanks for all of the laughs.  So many comments to make but many of you won't know what I am talking about considering it was 30 pages ago.
Just a few...
Bec GREAT Santa picture.  My dad dresses up as Santa and Ben didn't like him too much on Christmas morning.
Richelle-Hope you are feeling better hah hah-I enjoy trying to make everything perfect in our house too-never going to perfect it.
Judy-so glad CHristmas day went well for you, I thought your day would never end, glad to hear that your uncle (I think that's who it was)was nice and not sarcastic.  Lucky for him too he could have gotten himself into some trouble.
Andrea-I too compare presents.  Seems that because Ben lives far away he doesn't get as many presents(so bratty I know)but then again that dumb mother in law isn't at my house all the time so I guess I should feel relieved.
Hannah-DH is staying up late right now to get in on some action.  He sometimes passes up 2nd base and goes straight to third.  I am trying to let him know that i am no longer a slut but a virgin.
Judy-I found that Ben got a bit tied up with the multigrain cereal.  I am going to add some fruit to it and see if it helps.
Little DH rant... went to an excercise class tonight and came home to DH.  He said that he had learned a very valuable lesson while I was gone.  He realized that he is so stuck on routine that he forgets to spend quality time with LO.  (I do want him to spend good time with Ben don't get me wrong) BUT I walked to the back of the house and the guy couldn't pick up anything and all he had to do was make a salad and and and and and . ARGGGGG Okay I feel better now thanks for reading see you all in the morning and hopefully at the chat or is it going to be changed to a different place and time.
Sleepies for everyone along with good pooping and great eating.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on December 30, 2005, 05:46:17 am
Ankie-Hope you are doing okay.  Watch out for the extra sleeping or vomitting.  I am sure everything is fine.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on December 30, 2005, 06:31:22 am
OMG Ankie, soooo sorry to hear about what happened.   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:   Sorry if you mentioned it already, but did you call your ped.??  If you need to for your peace of mind then you should definitely take her to the hospital tomorrow morning. 
I will pray for her.  Please let us know how she is doing.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 30, 2005, 08:11:00 am
OK, so I finished reading the interview.  On the whole I liked her approach, but as with anything like that there were a few things that don't fit with my style. 

I did like that she doesn't do time out as such, it's more a calm down place, and with the adult there unless the child chooses to go off to their room for a quiet fun play.  Her calm down place IS fun and not punishment, and that's the difference for me, it's a place to regain your emotions, just like as adults we might want to take a bath, go for a walk, read a book etc.  If Nathan wants to go to his room (or he will sometimes take himself to the beanbag in the lounge - after collecting together a few soft toys and his blankie), it's a place where he will sooth himself which I like.  I also like that she suggests drawing the child close if they're upset and emotional, I've found this to be quite effective - if he's nutting off at something I sit nearby, calm and quiet, offer a hug, if he screams at me etc I just stay close and occasionally offer the hug again and usually within a minute he's coming to me for a hug.  I don't see that as rewarding him for having the tantrum, but rather he is allowed to feel his emotions in a safe environment and know that I'm there to help him.  When he's calm we might talk about what happened.

Today, he ripped one of Danielle's new books - now my immediate reaction was to start lecturing him about it and a few "why did you do that?" (who would willingly want to answer that question  :roll: ) - I know it used to make ME defensive when I got asked that by my parents.  Once I finished my rant (I wasn't yelling, just a case of *I see your lips moving and all I hear is blah blah blah* :roll: ), he was looking quite sad throughout all of this, no screaming, crying or anything and it made me realise that he didn't purposely rip the book (it was unusual and not something he's seen before, it's got these little ribbon things that he yanked on and pulled out of the pages - curiosity because he said "oh oh" when it happened).  Now, if I was doing L&L, off he would have been marched to Time Out - this would have resulted in screaming, my temper being raised and us both feelign bad for the rest of the afternoon.  Instead, I finished putting Danielle's nappy on, asked him to come over for a cuddle, told him I loved him and that I know it was an accident and he didn't mean to - he agreed and told me that he wasn't going to rip her book anymore.  We were happy and good to go.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 30, 2005, 12:58:55 pm
Ok poop question!! :)  I gave the girls bits of chunked cooked carrot.  They loved it - ok so maybe they just hate the mushy runny food??  Anyway, I noticed this morning that the chunks came through Kaia's diaper pretty much as they went in?  Is this normal?  I didn't think carrots were that fibrous and thought the body would have broken them down more?  Anyone else notice this?

Ankie!!  Big hugs girl.   I can imagine the horrible feeling in the pit of your stomach.  Look at it this way - it was a great learning experience for all of you - especially dh who maybe needed a good learning experience.  Arwyn is fine but now everyone is aware of the potentials with the gate.  I remember when Sarah was 10.5-11months old I left the girls at my girlfriend's house.  She was our daycare provider when I went back to work so this was a 'test run' for my girls.  Anyway, Sarah was and IS a busy girl who will climb most anything soooo my friend was referring a dispute between the older two girls (she has two girls the same age as Z & S) and Sarah was in the room when this started... it took my friend less than a minute to grab her timer and set it and realize that Sarah had left the room.  She went to their bathroom to find her standing on the TOP of the toilet tank reaching for a picture! :shock:  We both went through all the possibilities in our mind - falling head first into the open toilet, falling into the sink and knocking herself out or the wall..... on and on.  But in the end we realized she was ok and we were just all the more aware of how MUCH she needed to be watched CONSTANTLY.  We learned a good bit and no one got hurt thankfully.  Ok so I know it's different because she didn't fall and Arwyn did...  but sorta similar idea??  Am I stretching ? :)  I'm sure she's fine if she was playing fine and not crying at all.  I'm sure if there were some internal injuries she'd stop and wimper a few times here and there as something hurt or she'd be just sit and not be interested to play.  The longer getting to sleep at night could just have been your stress.  These little babies sure can pick up on our feelings and I'm sure she knew that mommy just wasn't herself for whatever reason.   Sarah used to knock her head so much - often with Zoe's help.  When she started to pull up to stand Zoe was quite jealous of the attention this elicited and she would pull her by the neck and throw her down (faster than we could run to catch her!) and Sarah would fall straight backwards onto her head.  I remember actually asking the dr. how much knocking her head could take and he said "a fair bit but you don't want to promote it"  OBVIOUSLY.

It's going to sit on your mind for a few days... but it will pass and all will be fine! :)  {{{hugs}}}

Gotta scoot.  Zoe just woke up for the day :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on December 30, 2005, 13:01:46 pm
{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} ANKIE!  I agree to keep an eye on her but if she seems fine, I would follow her cues.  I hope you had an OK night and everything is right as rain but if it makes you feel better, call your ped.  I can imagine that you keep replaying it in your head, I know we all would but if Arwyn is OK and her adorable little self then I would try and leave it behind.  It must have been very scary and I totally feel for you, big hugs and let us know how you are doing.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on December 30, 2005, 16:16:16 pm
Good morning.  Interesting day here so far.  Ben woke at 3:45, I was hoping that a little cuddle would get him back to sleep.  Ever since we have been home from vacation he has had early wakes, no time zone difference.  I fed him half a feed and he slept into 7:45, usually wake up is between 6/7.  Am I going to be paying for feeding him...?
Judy, Ben has bits of carrots in his poop when I have braved the chunks, lots of choking here.  Also he had chunks of tofu the other morning.  It is quite normal in our house.  Have a good day/night everyone.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 30, 2005, 16:46:01 pm
Thanks Macaire!! :)  These girls tend to gag a lot too - but the carrots were reeaaally soft.  They do ok with toast, still gag a bit on cheerios but they manage to work it out themselves so far.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on December 30, 2005, 17:14:16 pm
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DH is staying up late right now to get in on some action. He sometimes passes up 2nd base and goes straight to third. I am trying to let him know that i am no longer a slut but a virgin.
LOL Macaire.  Also...that was a dh rant...mine are like three pages long! Feel free to really let it out sometime:)   :wink:

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I don't see that as rewarding him for having the tantrum, but rather he is allowed to feel his emotions in a safe environment and know that I'm there to help him. When he's calm we might talk about what happened.

I totally agree Nikki.  Why should a child be punished for (in this case an accident) a mistake/ "bad" choice ?  I make bad choices all the time.  They usually come with consequences but dh (for example) doesn't withhold love from me because I've done something wrong.  It is amazing to me how many kids that I work with in school are literally pertrified to make a mistake.  It's sad becase if they aren't willing to mess up, it's hard for them to learn.

Ankie, I totally know what you are going through.  I felt much the same after I let Sophie fall off of the changing table.  I can only imagine how furious I would have been at dh if it had been him.  I only know that I felt so awful and like I had let both dh and Sophie down by being so careless.  I did call my ped right away as well as my mom, dh, a couple of friends etc...My first thought was not to tell anyone, but then I knew I had to "confess"  Anyhow, the sick feeling will pass, or ease at least.  It sounds like she is ok.  Big hugs to you and dh and Arwyn. 

Hayley...lol at sloppy boobs...definately have those here too.  And...I also thought that I wouldn't be one of "those" women...on many counts, including the droopy boobs...socks with rocks :) BTW, your mom sounds great on the discipline thing.  Lucky you.  and dh...yeah!!!  What a guy :)



Have great days/nights.

Hannah

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I remember actually asking the dr. how much knocking her head could take and he said "a fair bit but you don't want to promote it" OBVIOUSLY.
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Now that I fgured out how to quote...there's no stopping me :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 30, 2005, 18:42:52 pm
Judy-thanks for the book ideas.  Think DH got to Chapters before I got online.  Oh well, I'll pick them up anyway.  Happy to hear Kaia is feeling better.  With regards to constipation...do you find in affects her night sleep?  We had a HORRIBLE night last night after we got home from the party then Cole had hard rabbit poops this morning.  I think it may have been gas but do you think it bothers them even before they start trying to push?  I gave Cole a couple of chunked carrots the other day but I don't remember the resulting poop-sorry.  I do remember however that Richelle said she's had much more success with Sophie once moving to chunkier food.  She just wasn't interested in the mush. 
If I wasn't nap moderator i'd rarely go anywhere else.  i pop onto the lounge now and again and discipline to look for your posts :wink: but that's about it.  OH, and visiting the nap board has helped me too!  I've yet again modified Cole's nap windown. he's going down better. still needs my help but i'm seeing his yawn much earlier now.  yay.

Naomi-glad to see you around. Hope you have a few moments for chat tonight too.

Hayley-big rave for DH and yay for you for getting out.  Lingerie huh? have to admit never been a bit lingerie girl.  maybe because for a long time i wasn't altogether too happy with my body (legs particularly).  I got all sort for my shower, put in on during honeymoon and just felt unattractive :oops:  not to mention i find it uncomfortable.  I prefer just tight little tanks and boxers...sexy but sporty is my look :D (when i feel sexy anyway).  nowadays i'm with judy and nikki on comfort. in fact i'm still wearing my preggo undies because they are just so comfy and don't really show pantilines...

Ankie-there are just not enough hugs for you girl.  I am so sorry that happened.  I would also be furious with DH.  Everyone else has already given good advice on what to do...so I'll just say that I'm sure she'll be okay.  My DH showed me a video he did with our new camera.  He taped Cole climbing the stairs..but he was at the top.  YEP-so at any moment cole could have toppled backwards :roll:  :evil:  :shock:  He did this with the digital camera.  I really don't want something to have to happen for him to learn from it. *sigh*

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Brilliant Nikki-love this approach. I am learning so much from you girls.  And DH and I say good boy too often. Must remove it from our vocab.

with regards to boobs...i did the pencil test and passed.  YAY.  but tried it on my bum and failed.  boooo.  must do some squats or something.  I used to have the nicest bum and now it's all flat and saggy :cry:

well-party was nice last night. glad we went.  Two of my girlfriends are preggo and they both look great.  One is due March and the other June.  I have two other girlfriends (different circle of friends)-one just had a baby boy on Dec 24th and the other due Fed.  It's raining babies! Guess we're at that age.

Cole fought to go down but then slept 8:20-11:45.  He was waking as I was walking up to get him-weird.  Thank goodness for the humidifier in the room as it was LOUD.  Anyway, DH took him down and rather than say goodnight and pass by the party and go to the entrance where it was quiet he kept Cole in the midst of the party while i packed stuff up.  sheesh.  he was stunned, then smiled, then bawled apparently.  NICE.  When asked why DH said "everybody wanted to see him".  WELL-they would have seen him if they were on time as he went to bed 45 minutes into the party. oh well.  didn't really fall asleep in the car.  Home by 12:30, didn't settle until 1:30, up again at 3:00-held to sleep, up again at 5, held to sleep and I fell asleep on the glider until 5:50.  put him down and he woke at 6:10 :shock:  crappy crappy night. needless to say we're not going out for new years.  the (*&^%$$ tooth is nearly through.  I so wanted it to come through last night so that i could start retraining him over the weekend.

KATE or anyone- i know I asked this before...but do you guys maintain your routine with your los while teething?  I think hannah said everything went out the window...but I mean-he has seriously been teething a MONTH.  I cannot possibly throw out BW for a month everytime a set of teeth come in. I think I've got a severe case of "poor baby" syndrome going that I need to break.  I am still a hostage in his room while he goes to sleep.  It is driving me NUTS.  I am completely exhausted and not a nice person to be around right now.  Input appreciated.

anyhoo-coming up on the 45 min. mark for nap 2.  better get ready to intervene.  He did have an hour nap this morning...first one longer than 45 in a long while! progress :?:  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on December 30, 2005, 19:28:01 pm
Good mroning... well, almost afternoon,

Arwyn seems okay. She woke up at 6:10 and DH tried to put her back down until 6:40 but she wasn't staying asleep so, I got up to feed her as it was close enough to 7. Well... instead of waking up after her feed, she fell asleep. I let her because of her fall yesterday and figured her little body needs the rest. (I would ache if I fell down a flight of stairs... so why wouldn't she?) Anyhoo... she ended up waking at 8:20  :shock: and I thought, great :roll: the whole day is shot. Well... nope, she started to yawn and rub her eyes around 9:40 while eating (still... we started at 9:10 :roll: ) and I put her down for 10. So, we are only 30 minutes off routine! Yeah :D

I am going through this whole $h!tty night sleep thing too, Traci. We have been doing full on pu/pd since Dec. 19th with no feedings and just 2 days ago, decided that I would feed her once in the night as she still seems to need it and it eliminates a few of the wakings. Well... after that decision, she didn't need to be fed last night at all during any of her wakings. She latched on at 11:30 pm but didn't take anything and fell off within a few minutes. DH put her back to sleep at 2:45 with no effort at all. So... it has now been 2 months 3 weeks- ish and these crazy wakings have not stopped. I can't figure it out... DH and I have decided we gave it our best shot and now, are resigned to the fact that these wakings are due to her sleep crawling and probably developmental. We don't know where to go from here. In the books, nowhere does it say that pu/pd takes over a couple of weeks to work. They all indicate 3 days. I think, girlfriend, that you and I have put in our time!!  :roll:

Karen, Richelle, Jo and Hayley... received your cards over the last 2 days. Thanks!!

Thanks for all the hugs. I am still sniping at DH about everything. I am trying hard not to but I guess I am still mad about the gate. I think as time goes on and I see that Arwyn is really fine, then it will be easier to stop being angry. However, in the meantime, I just have to stay away from him and not ask him to do anything because I get too nit-picky about it all and end up harping on the smallest thing.

Judy... poops. When Arwyn had rabbit like poops, I mentioned it to her doctor and he found she had a fissure. He says that babies manage to hold in their poops because they know that if they poop, it hurts so, that's what they do. Anyway, he told me to give Arwyn orange juice with lots of pulp. :shock: The funny thing is that my mother told me the same thing the day before. Anyhow, it works. I asked the dr. about the Health Canada recommendation that citrus not be given 'til 12 months and he said not to worry about it. Not allergy related.

Hayley... underwear, oh, I mean lingerie. You go, girl! Feels nice to have pretty things doesn't it? I am waiting for my pre-preggo body to pay me a visit and then maybe I'll get something other than a nursing bra and granny undies!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on December 30, 2005, 21:04:02 pm
Hey where's Erin??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 30, 2005, 21:41:26 pm
Yes where is Erin?

Ankie, so pleased to hear that Arwyn is fine. 

Traci, the good boy thing is hard, I do do it a lot, but I know I just need to be more mindful of when I say it and if there is a better way of appreciating what he's doing.  Such as if he's helping me unload the dishwasher, rather than just saying good boy (which really, why is he a good boy for doing that, he didn't need to help me and he's not being a BAD boy by not helping kwim?) - but I might acknowledge how great it is that he's helping me and how nice it is that we're working together.

OK, so me and my baby girl are sitting here jigging away to Jack Johnson while the boys are off doing the groceries.  She's so funny she start shaking her head and shoulders to the rhythm - mind you, so is her mama!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on December 30, 2005, 23:18:26 pm
Hi Girls,

Ankie - So glad to hear Arwyn is doing ok.

Judy - I was actually reading something last night in a toddler care book I have and it said not to worry if you see bits of carrot in their poo! It basically said that their bodies have still taken what they need from it.  We went out for lunch yesterday and I fed Halle carrot, zuchini, broc and chips all from my plate and she LOVED it! Maybe they do get sick of the mush.

Traci - good job on getting Cole to go down easier for naps!! Our friends also had a baby boy on Dec 24th !! They gave her a c-sec after only 2hrs of labour  :? She showed me the scar  :shock: it looks very OUCHY !! We went to visit them when they got home. Remember the cartoons with the giants? The stork was delivering babies and the giants got the peoples baby and the people got the giants baby? Well he was so small it looked as if Halle was the giants baby  :lol:  :lol:  Ok maybe i am the only one who remembers that??  :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 31, 2005, 00:05:37 am
ankie-so happy to hear she's okay.  guess it's best to stear clear of DH until you've had time to calm a bit. totally understandable.

girls-a couple of questions please

1) do you let your los do their sippy cups on their own?  If i do it seems he takes in an awful lot of air because he doesn't tip it back far enough.  but how will he ever learn if i'm there holding it :?:

2) Judy-you do yoghurt right?  Did you say to give 5-8% MF?  i found one that is 6%.  Gave Cole some today and he liked it.  Hoping to introduce cheese and egg again in the next week or so. 

3) Anyone giving their LO homo milk yet?  I've tried giving Cole formula in a sippy and he'll drink about 1 oz before he realizes it's not water.  A girlfriend said her ped said 9 months is okay to start milk. Maybe worth a try?  I'll introduce the other above mentioned dairy before that of course.

okay, so i kind of cheated today but not on purpose.  Cole did 1:20 all on his own for second nap.  I got him up and 5 min. later went back in his room to feed him and he fell asleep eating.  I let him sleep another 35 min, so he woke at 3pm.  Obviously needed the sleep.  So, no catnap today, put down at 6:15 and settled at 6:35 doing PUPD.  I DID NOT PUT MY HANDS ON HIM.  phew.  My battle to end poor baby syndrome has begun!

hoping to make chat but i'm pretty tired.  maybe i'll nap beforehand :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on December 31, 2005, 00:47:25 am
Ummmmm I think I get what you are saying Bec but have never seen the cartoon.  About Halle eating off your plate yesterday, Sophie has not been into the 'mush' for weeks.  I feed her mostly "real" food, loves toast and cheese, noodles, cheese sticks, carrot chunks, zuchinni, chicken breast sticks, corn - LOVES corn and any fruit (except apples-the-evil-choking-fruit) but namely bananas, she will eat a whole banana AFTER she eats lunch, I just break it in 2 and put it on her tray and she goes to town  :shock: .  Tonight we went out for an early dinner/happy hour and I brought a jar of food for her and she ate two bites and refused anymore so we ordered her a grilled cheese (her 1st restaurant meal!!) and a banana plus she ate bits of our veg.  The only jar food she will eat are certain veggies and she has fruit puree with her cereal at breakfast.  It is fine by me, that food is fairly sick and is fairly pricey!

Ankie - So glad to hear that Arwyn is OK, knew she would be and maybe it is a good thing that you have 'resigned' yourself to the sleep thing.  I mean maybe now being more relaxed, things will shift into a different light for you.  I can imagine the chilliness towards DH, I have no idea how I would react, stay strong!

Traci - Do you really want input?   I just don't want to be pushy or know it all, KWIM. 

 :arrow: Anyway, my instincts say, from reading your posts that maybe Cole should get cut off of the booby after he goes to bed.  I know that it is so hard, when that boob is right there and you are sooo tired but maybe try it and he will pack more in in the daytime. 

 :arrow: Also, have you tried the counting to 100 idea of Andrea's (Andrea could you elaborate I don't remeber the finer details)?  It sounds really good to me.  Sophie will cry out in her sleep sometimes and I am in such a daze that I go running into her room and she is still sleeping and thankfully she is a very sound sleeper or I am sure I would wake her up. 

 :arrow: I know you said Cole will pull up to standing in hos crib, is this still happening?  What is he like when  he wakes at night scared? whingy? hurt? 

 :arrow: You also talk about it may be gas, I know you have tried gas drops, do you give them to him before he eats?  It doesn't say it on the boxes when to give it. Sophie used to have and still gets sometimes, terrible gas and the drops did not do anything!  I told this to my ped. and she said that you have to give them right before they eat in order for them to be fully effective.

 :arrow: Have you gone to your ped. ?  Maybe if your ped. isn't even sympathetic change doc's.  I mean if he/she gives you the token *sigh* "he's a baby he will grow out of it" ect.. response without giving him a look over then maybe you should consider someone else, or push the issue with the doctor. 

 :arrow:  Even if you don't get to the bottom of it, it really can't last forvever right?  Just know that even in your vents your are so sweet and it is so obvious that Cole has such a wonderful and patient mommy, no wonder he wants to hang out with you all night!! 

Judy - Sophie poos all sorts of things, ummmm a bit of ribbon yesterday  :oops:.  How in the name of Peter do you keep track of 4?  I know, I know, we have all gone through it with you but I honestly stopped today after pulling the end table off of Sophie (yes she was underneath) I was exsaperated and thought, jeez I wonder what Judy is doing right now?!

Did I mention I gave Sophie a haircut last night?  Some of the fluff of the ends and it was really hard with her moving every other way but straight. 

OMG the chat is tonight!  I may go rest up so as to try and make it!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 31, 2005, 00:50:36 am
Traci, let's see um, teething and routine.  I generally just stick with my fairly flexible routine regardless of what's going on.  With teething if they seem to be having a hard time sleeping I will give them some chamomilla prior to nap/bedtime. 

Constipation... I did find the one night that it did affect Kaia's sleep a lot - she seemed to wake every couple hours in pain.  Just needed a hug and went right back to sleep.  I'm sure it bothers their tummy prior to them actually pushing.

Someone mentioned fissure - Ankie? yup I think so.  Gosh I hope she didn't/doesn't have one of those... they sound so painful.  She's all cleared up and out now - been a poop machine all day  :)

Yogurt - Traci, from what I understand you want a yogurt with a high MF % so 6 is awesome.  5% was the highest I could find and more easy to find is 3.5%.  The higher milk fat is good for good and healthy brain development.   As for Homo milk - my pedi told me I could start Sarah on it at 9months and I think I actually started her a week or so prior to that.  I recently heard that they've changed that since then (only 1 year and a half or so) to 12months.  I'm thinking I may not ask my pedi this time around just in case he tells me 12 months - I like 9months better ;)  sooo... although I'm seeing him this week so, who knows.  Although he almost always looks at me with a shrug that says "whatever you think is fine"

I help the girls with their sippies because it's hard for them to hold them up high enough to avoid air.  If you fill them RIGHT up then they don't need to tip them up so much.  He'll learn as time goes on to tilt it up.  I think with the older two I'd just tip the end of it up while they held it.  Sarah used to get annoyed with that so eventually I just left her to figure it out.  But she also had a big sister to watch which made a huge difference.  How much does he drink from it?  I'd say K&H only take in maybe an ounce or a bit more a day of water.

Bec thanks for the bit from the toddler book on carrot in the diaper - very reassuring.  I gave the girls some pears tonight - I just sorta made them in to small pieces and fed still off the spoon and they were not at all put out by that as they have been with everything else I've given them.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on December 31, 2005, 00:59:41 am
Traci - You posted during my novel! 

Yes, I let Sophie do her sippy cup on her own and 8 times out of 10 she gets hiccups bit they don;t seem to bother her.

I give her YoBaby Yogurt  http://www.stonyfield.com/OurProducts/YoBaby.cfm

I haven't given her homo milk to drink yet but she still LOVES her bottle of milk, I can see that being an issue in the future!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on December 31, 2005, 01:21:03 am
Hello all!  We have had quite the day here today!  Well, actually it started last night.  Carter was wearing one of his new Xmas sleepers so we decided to take a picture.  Dh put him in front of the Christmas tree (about 3 ft in front of it) and he took 4 or 5 pictures.  Well all of a sudden the whole tree FELL over and landed on my baby!  It is a real tree and teh tree stand and everything fell right over.  I don't think Luke or I have ever moved so fast.  Carter was squished to the ground screaming his little head off.  DH grabbed the tree and tried to yank it off of him but the lights and garland had wrapped around his neck  :shock:  :shock:   I was screaming "it's around his neck, it's around his neck".  It was pure chaos.  The water had spilled everywhere and the lights were still plugged in and there were sparks coming out of the outlet.  I untangled Carter and got the hell out of there as fast as I could!  He kept screaming and looking behind him (the tree fell on his back) as if something was going to get him again.  He was covered in pine needles and his skin was pretty irritated from the needles where they hit him.  DH was super mad and started yelling at the cat (who was no where near the tree when it fell).  He couldn't believe that it just fell on it's own. It was a pretty big tree too.  Thankfully the crying stopped in a few minutes and he went to bed really well.  I kept checking on him all night to make sure he was ok.  He did get me up once at about 2:30 but he settled back down pretty quickly.  DH and I kept looking at each other and saying "I can't believe the friggin tree fell on our baby!"  Needless to say the tree is outside in the back yard ... and DH never wants another one!!

Enough about me!!

Ankie:  So glad that Arwin is ok!  It's so scary eh ...  :(

Traci:  Carter can't crawl or walk or even go from tummy to sitting but man can that boy use his sippy cup!!  He actually can drink out of a normal cup all on his own too!  As for teething and routine ... I always try and keep the routine the same.  We just went through teething (still are but not as bad) and I stuck to the same routine even if Carter didn't.  His one top tooth is through (took forever) but the other one is just breaking the gums so I am sure I am in for some challenging days.  The only difference is, if he gets up early from a nap I just let him get up without trying to extend it.  When he is teething, there is no way I can get him back down to sleep after he wakes without feeding so I don't even try.

I am so jealous of all these babies on dairy products  :(   Carter is apparently allergic to milk and eggs (although I eat both and ebf and he hasn't had any problems).  I am not allowed to give any dairy products for like 2 more years according to the allergy specialist  :(  :(   It is hard to make or buy foods that don't have milk, cheese or egg in them.  Basically Carter lives on fruit and veggies and boring stuff like that.  Luckily arrowroot baby cookies are dairy and egg free.  My ped says that for normal (non-allergic) babies to wait until 1 year for homo milk.  I am currently tryign to get Carter down to 2 bf's a day by introducing hypo allergenic formula and he is having none of it.  I guess I will have to try another kind ... any suggestions?  My ped won't let me give berries or pork or fish either until a year.  He ok'd citrus and wheat but that's it.
I am hoping that he will grow out of these allergies and soon!!!!

Ok, that's it for me .. for now!!  I am hoping to be at the chat tonight for a bit anyway!!  Must go put Carcheezy to bed!!!

Oh ya, DH put Crater down for a nap today for the first time in like 5 months!!!!  I was at the hairdressers so I didn't have to listen to the crying!  I guess it went pretty well too!  Yeah, maybe I won't have to do all nap times, bed times and night wakings anymore!!!!  INsert "happy dance" emoticon here!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 31, 2005, 01:29:17 am
Richelle-You have no idea how much I appreciate you thinking about our situation when you must be so busy sorting out your house!

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Anyway, my instincts say, from reading your posts that maybe Cole should get cut off of the booby after he goes to bed. I know that it is so hard, when that boob is right there and you are sooo tired but maybe try it and he will pack more in in the daytime.
I agree and since I'm bracing myself for a few days of pupd anyway I might as well go full on!

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Also, have you tried the counting to 100 idea of Andrea's
I have tried this a couple of times and find myself counting very fast :wink:  I think because I have been rescuing him on a regular basis he just cries LOUD as he knows I"ll come a running. 


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I know you said Cole will pull up to standing in hos crib, is this still happening? What is he like when he wakes at night scared? whingy? hurt?
yep, still doing it. Not sure WHY he's waking.  I have theorized that he's standing before he's awake and it freaks him out when he wakes up.  He doesn't whine...all out cries for help.  As said above, I have perpetuated this by rescuing him over and over again.  So, bracing myself for a very long weekend.  DH better put the ear plugs in...then I get to sleep in the daytime!

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I told this to my ped. and she said that you have to give them right before they eat in order for them to be fully effective.
rats, i give it after...will definitely give it before from now on.

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Have you gone to your ped
no.  don't like my ped and in fact am supposed to be switching to Holly's.  She told a fib and said I'm a good friend of the family to get me in. :D   Last time I was there she checked his ears and they were fine so.......................I am considering chiropractic though...maybe next week if the weekend is unsuccessful.

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Just know that even in your vents your are so sweet and it is so obvious that Cole has such a wonderful and patient mommy, no wonder he wants to hang out with you all night!!
awwww, thanks richelle.  i needed that :P

Judy-he normally drinks an oz or so of water at each sitting.  I left him with the cup while i tidied up and he drank 2 oz and i'm sure plenty of air.  he's kind of chewing and sucking at the same time.  oh well.

k-better go get DHs dinner together.  He's getting home at 9 so not sure i'll be on chat, we'll see.

OH ya Judy-he just went to chapters so I think I'm getting the "how to talk so kids will listen" book tonight!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 31, 2005, 01:34:28 am
Cathy-
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DH was super mad and started yelling at the cat (who was no where near the tree when it fell).
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Carter can't crawl or walk or even go from tummy to sitting but man can that boy use his sippy cup!!
this made me LOL :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on December 31, 2005, 01:36:41 am
Hey, girls!  I am back home and the computer is looking like a long-lost friend.  How sad is that? 
Traci, Ryan figured out to tip up the bottle (no sippy at my mom's) just this morning.  He was so proud of himself.  I've just been lifting it for him and I guess he finally got it.  Not sure if it was a fluke, but he did it a few times.  I think the only reason he likes water is that he takes a sip then uses the water to blow raspberries and watch the spit fly.  Very entertaining for all..check back in a few weeks, though.   :roll:   We also use YoBaby whole milk yogurt. 
Ankie, (((Hugs))) to you and Arwyn!  So glad it turned out alright.  How scary.  I will learn from this one too...I'm not as good about closing the gate if I'm just running downstairs for something and dh has Ryan.  How hard is it for me to lock and unlock it?  Must be more diligent!!!
Got TONS of cards today and it just made my day after a pretty horrid drive home.  Roz, you are another hot mama!!!  Jo, your letter was BEAUTIFUL and so matched my own sentiments (although with much better writing than I could manage!)
Holy guacamole, Cathy!  Just scanned down to see who I'd missed and read your post.  How scary for you all.  Had to smile at the bit about dh yelling at the cat.   :)   Glad you are all doing fine! 
Oh, yeah, another Traci.  We keep to the routine even during the teething.  Still going strong, btw.  Remember when I was so excited about Ryan's first real tooth like 3 weeks ago? IT'S STILL NOT ALL THE WAY IN!  Is that abnormal?  It's like a halfie.   :roll: I can see the other tooth trying to poke through, but will not get excited until I can feel it! 
Also, Ryan has the WORST cold.  Has had it for a week or so.  Several night wakings, but will generally soothe himself back to sleep.  He just can't breathe and totally hates the nose sucker and I suck at the nose sucker, so there you go.   :?:   How long do you wait until you see your ped. for a cold.  TIA. 
Must run to the grocery since I've been gone nearly a week, so no chat for me tonight.  (Can't believe I've gotten 45 mins. to read and post, so don't want to push it!)   
 :D   Dh rave:  He stayed up late last night cleaning up the house so it would look decent when Ryan, my mom, and I got here today. It was just trashed from Christmas morning and trying to get on the road.  What a doll baby that man is!!!!  And, quite the hunk!   :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 01:53:37 am
Yay!  My UP Book arrived today!

Cathy, what a drama with the tree, how freaky and scary - poor cat ( :wink: ). 

Kate, what a sweetie your DH is tidying up the house nice for your return.

Traci, sounds like you've got some great advice, good luck with your pu/pd - wish I was brave enough, would totally do it if Nathan wasn't so freaking touchy with sleep and get woken up!  :roll:  :evil:

Dairy and milk - we do high fat unsweetened yoghurt, I've used whole milk in a bit of cooking (I think the main concern they have is that whole milk shouldn't replace formula or breastmilk nutritionally) but it's ok to incorporate into the diet.

Judy, I've been giving D Camomilla at naptime too lately since her tooth is trying to come through and she's been taking an age to settle.

Sippy's - yep Danielle's been lifting and using it herself (she's only go the straw sipper so no big manouvering needed there - no idea on how much she drinks though, not much) - I still look at her and think wow, she looks way too little to be doing big girl stuff like that!  She's still only a liteweight but average on height - in fact I just packed away a bunch of clothes and got out the size 1's (funny, Nathan's still wearing a pair of the same size shorts since he's out of nappies).  :lol:

Richelle, D does a lot of food off our plates too.  She also had her first restaurant meal on Boxing Day (in fact I think it was the first we've taken NAthan too as well  :shock: ).  She had a big plate of veges and scoffed the lot.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on December 31, 2005, 02:27:50 am
OMG Nikki-Cole is a skinny runt then.  He still fits in pants that are 3-6 months and in fact can fit in one pair (European make) that is 2-4 months! Think he's built like his dad with shorter legs and longer torso/arms.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 02:31:19 am
I think Nathan has short legs too, I only just packed away a few size 1's of his a few days back.  Mind you he is a little stunted in growth, but only by a few cm's.  Danielle wear's cloth nappies though, so her bum fills out her pants sooner than normal.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 02:51:40 am
Just had to share this photo, I brought D some hair ties today and wanted to see what a little "fountain" on her head would look like.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 31, 2005, 03:54:34 am
Nikki what an adorable picture!!!  Love the hair.

Cool on getting the book.
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Post by: sophieandhannah on December 31, 2005, 04:04:02 am
That picture is too cute.  What a little love bug!
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on December 31, 2005, 04:35:39 am
Nikki... what a cutie pie!

Cathy... OMG, how scary about the tree!!! I don't blame DH for yelling at the cat... scary moments make people yell to deal with the stress. Glad Carter is doing well.

Traci... good advice given to you... will be trying some of them myself.  :roll:

Great chat tonight ladies!!! Looking forward to it again already!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on December 31, 2005, 04:42:09 am
hi girls!
i loved the chat tonight! i've missed you all and there is NO WAY i can get caught up on all the posts....i just had to go check out Karen's DH....woo hooo!!!  HOTTIE!!  :) 

Bec: ROTFLMAO at Helle's x-mas photo with santa!!! laughing for her screaming and for santa sitting like "get this child off me!" look

ok...i also just checked my e-mail from dh ....too funny gotta post it on here...he'd kill me but oh, well...gotta share with my friends! :)
 
mickymuscles@hotmail.com   Messenger: Offline 
   
 

Subject :  you are a hottie...and don't you forget it!
 
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hey hottie!  i just thought i would drop you a line to remind you that you are hot.  when you have a chance, could you send me some more pics of jackson and yourself.  this would be greatly appreciated.  some naughty pictures of yourself would be GREATLY appreciated.  i would send you some naughty pictures of myself, but i do not have a camera.  anyways, i will talk to you soon.  i miss you both a lot.  hugs and kisses...love dad.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on December 31, 2005, 04:56:05 am
Ladies-
Hi!  I'm in Buffalo at the ILs, so nice of you to wonder.  We got here the 27th, and DH's grandma, 2 sisters, MIL, FIL, and MIL's sister's family was here (husband +2 girls) were all here.  Then the following day, MIL's brother and his family (wife + 1 girl) arrived - 15 of us in a 4 bedroom house that night!....MIL's sister and family left the following day and MIL's brother is still here (he's only a few years older than DH and we're all very close, so we've really been enjoying the time).  Anyway, have finally managed to grab some computer time and spent some serious time catching up -
Ankie, Cathy - very scary, glad to hear all is well
Kate - I took Katie to the ped for her first cold b/c it seemed to go on for a bit, turned out to be nothing, I've only taken her back since when she had the ridiculously high fever and ear infection.  As long as Ryan's acting himself, I wouldn't worry too much. 

Hello to everyone else!  Must get to bed now - Katie's done pretty well the past few nights here, been waking a bit as she has another cold  :(  and possibly another tooth on its way (Traci - we pretty much keep the same routine during teething, she's been teething on and off since September and I'd hate to think where we'd be if we'd deviated since then - I still give Katie time to settle and give pain meds if she's up multiple times).  We are looking forward to heading home tomorrow.  (Wish I had 600 count sheets!).  Will catch up more then!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 05:09:46 am
LMAO Micky!  What a sweetie, you're his MILF huh?  :wink:

Hi Erin. :D

Sorry I was on chat for probably less than a minute, DH ended up taking the kids to the park and I decided to be domestic goddess and whip up a gourmet meal - I very rarely get out a cookbook and try new things.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on December 31, 2005, 09:10:06 am
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LMAO Micky!  What a sweetie, you're his MILF huh?  :wink:

LOL that's what I was going to say!

Great chat today ladies! It was moving so fast, hard to keep up but sooo funny  :lol:  Anyone dropping in must have thought OMG these girls are talking about waxing their hoo hoo's ??? WTF !!

Cathy - I figured out in the chat that your tree must have fallen on Carter but I had no idea it was a REAL tree  :shock:  Holy Crap and that electricity would have FREAKED me out big time !!   :shock:   :shock:

Traci - I usually help Halle tip the sippy cup up but she has just started to do it herself. She gets heaps of air too, I will have to fill it up more.

Nikki - Cute photo of D, her her is pretty long ! I am sure Halle would pull hers out if I tried that. If I put a hat on her now she just pulls it straight off!! I will have to figure something out before we go away next week as we will be outside a fair bit.
 
Teething - to be honest, Halle is such a challenge most days, I have not noticed any difference with teething  :? She has 5 teeth now and the 6th is almost through.

It was sooo hot here today ladies - 41oC which according to my recently download converter is 105.8oF - Bloody Hot in other words. This arvo we got out in Halle's new wading pool she got for Christmas and squirted each other with the hose. It was so funny seeing Halle try to grab the water !! It is suppose to be hotter tomorrow  :roll:  It sucks because you can't do much outside and I go a bit nutty inside all day.

 8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 31, 2005, 12:22:30 pm
Cathy what a scary story with the tree and the sparks!!  Holy Cow!!!  You'll have to write that one down so you can tell Carter about it years and years from now (when he asks why you never get Christmas trees ;))  I'd have been barking at dh like it was his fault.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on December 31, 2005, 13:14:31 pm
Hi Ladies,

Chat was fun but I lost my connection  :cry: , that explaining the abrupt departure!! 

Cathy - that is some scary business with the tree but Judy is right you should write it down to tell Carter later.

Nikki - How cute is Danielle, OMG, adorable - I call Sophie umbrella head when I put her pony in!

Bec - UGHHHHHHH is it humid as well?  Disgusting, the summers here get really hot with %100 humidity and we too get stuck inside or in a pool.  I use hats with chin straps or Sophie pulls hers off too.  I put it on, tie it up and she tries a few times to pull it off then seems to forget about it.  She never pulls out her pony or really squirms when I put it in either, strange...

Micky - You MILF!

Traci and Ankie - How were your nights? 

Happy New Year to all the Southern Hemisphere!

What is everyone doing?  We are just chillin', we are going for brunch tomorrow!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on December 31, 2005, 16:40:17 pm
Hey all!!  Happy New Year!! Wow...2006 already. Doesn't seem like that long ago that everyone was all hyped on the Y2K thing.  I can't believe I missed out on chat yesterday...duh. I wasn't doing anything either as Aaron brought home a new 42" plasma TV so was reading the 500 page instruction manual for 3 hours!! Sheeeeeeesh I coulda be chatting with my buds.
Aaron is having a few friends over tonight so Mason, Molly and I are just going over to my Mom's for a sleepover. That way I won't feel bad going to bed early and being a party-pooper!! :roll:  I've never really been big into new year celebrations anyways, so no biggie!


Hannah - very cute about Brendan talking to Sophie, telling her he has to go to school. I know Mason feels like he misses alot of things when he is not here too, it's tough sometimes still.

Richelle - my MIL bought us some high count sheets a few months back. Not sure the number but they do feel heavenly!! So soft and silky, I love getting into a nice, freshly laundered bed!

Ankie - :shock: How awful for all of you to have that happen to your little angel!! Thank goodness she is OK. I'm sure you are watching the gate like a hawk now.

Nikki - wonderful way you dealt with Nathan and the accidental ripping of Danielle's book. You are such a patient, loving Mommy!  Love the picture of D with the little pigtail on the top of her head.

Cathy - :shock: OMG!! Poor Carter, poor you, poor DH...poor cat!!  I would have been freaking out for sure, with the lights and sparks etc..So glad all turned out well.

Micky - very cute of DH. It is so nice to know you still got it!!  Did you send the naughty pics?? LOL   :lol:


Also got Andrea, Richelle and Holly's Christmas cards and pics yesterday!! So lovely, all of them. Better late than never!  Andrea, DH thinks Taylor and Molly look alike too, the cheeks he said! How "tall" is she? How much does she weigh? Molly is 26 inches, weighed 17 lb, 14 oz at the doctor last week.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on December 31, 2005, 17:36:38 pm
hi girls!

so a little update on our trip to California....jack did so well with all the schleping about, tons of visitors, hot weather, etc.!!  He loved walking in the sand and getting his feet wet in the ocean.  I'll post some pics once i download them from the camera.  My sister also organized a little mini luau for Jack's early-one year birthday.  It's supposed to be goodluck.  My other sister was supposed to dance (tahitian/hawaiian) but she chickened out.  I was looking forward to seeing her dance but there is no way to force a rock to dance!  :roll:   Jack is making leaps and bounds with moving now that his casts are off.  He is all about being on his belly now.  Everytime I sit him on the ground he leans forward...balances for a few seconds on his knees and then is on his belly pushing himself backwards.  He still hasn't figured out how to sit up on his own yet tho.....i'm sure that will be soon enough especially now that he has figured out how to get on to his belly and that he can bend his knees. :D   He is also trying to start to pull himself up.  For the first week after getting the casts off his right foot seemed to be quite tender and he wouldn't weight-bear on it at all but in the last two days he has finally started to use his right foot again. :)
I told you all on the chat last night about my sister being a delusional pre-mom.  (She's due end of Feb.)  I loved that Jack proved me right near the end of the trip.  He was being schleped around the whole vacation, sleeping in the carseat, etc. but the only thing I was strick about was him having his morning nap at home and being home so he could go to bed for the night.  One of the first incidences was my sister slamed a closet door in her office (on the other side of the wall was Jack's head while he was napping).  And I kindof gave her a look like  :shock: .  She said to me " You are going to have to get him used to noises" I said "No I'm not, how do you like having a door slammed right by your ear when you are trying to sleep?"  Then she goes on to say "well, our baby is going to have to be used to noise and going out to places because it's just not our lifestyle to stay at home"  And I kindof look at her like  :roll:  whatever.  Then she says "I'm sure she might be miserable from it but I'm not going to be a homebody"  And I kind of  chuckled and said "I can't wait for her to show up!" Well, on the night of the luau it was at my sister's IL's place and my sis said "can't you just put him down at IL's place?"  I said "NO, he won't sleep there and they don't have a crib or a packnplay so he'll roll off their bed"  She said " can't you just put him in the carseat to sleep?" I said "NO!"  She said "You know, your not always going to be at someones house that has a crib and your going to have to get Jack use to sleeping in different places!"  :twisted:  :twisted:   I think my head started spinning around at this point....I can't remember  :twisted:   But I told her something to the effect that "she was completely delusional and that I was going to laugh my a$$ off at her when she calls me crying! And that she was in for rude awakening in Feb. and I'd be surprised if her and her DH cope at all with the baby!"  :evil:   At which point my other sister and mom butted in with "so.....it sure is nice weather today!"  :roll:  8)   I feel bad but I really hope that she doesn't get some easy angel baby!  She's the only person that i'd wish a "Jack" on!.   Anyways, after that she pretty much dropped it and Jack had a couple of melt-downs on cue with when he should have been home napping (poor peanut) but in my head I was like "SEE-I told you so!" and then on one of the last days (by this time Jack is totally wiped and overtired) he started crying when he saw my BIL in the morning, was crabby and miserable in the am right after he got up, and just was miserable.  They both were like "what's wrong with him?"  I said "HE'S TIRED!!!!"  :x  :roll:   I put him down for his morning nap, he slept for 2 hours (unheard-of!) and woke all smiles!  I JUST CAN'T WAIT!!!!
Thanks for letting me rant!  I've been dying to tell you all about how delusional they both are!!  OOOOHHH, there are going to be doozy stories from her I can just imagine!  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 18:44:17 pm
Micky, it is so hard when you're on this side of having had a baby and hearing your friends/family make comments like that - just try not to fume over it too much and just know that she will understand soon enough.  And just hope she doesn't have an angel baby!  :wink:  If Danielle was my first child I would wonder why other mums complained how hard having a baby was - fortunately Nathan made me well aware what it was all about.  One lady in our mothes group had an angel who slept throught the night at 10days old and thought we were all wacko for thinking we had problems - she's NEVER had to baby proof her house even and her dd is now 2.5yrs old!  Coffee group at her house is quite stressful. 
Nathan too had to be home for naps or meltdown, Danielle doesn't.  I also used to get the "he needs to get used to noise" comments.  Grrrrr.  :twisted:   Very cool that Jackson is getting into using his legs so quickly, sounds like he's making up for lost time really well.

A very uneventful NYE here last night, early night for us.  Danielle is 9mths old today!  We've got two bbq's today, so will leave home about 12.30pm for the kids to have a nap in the car on the way, then leave that one about 3pm for D to have another car nap on the way to #2 and then home by the kids bedtime.  Doesn't look like it'll be too hot today either, a nice 23 deg.  DH is home with us this week, but I'm kind of dredding it, Nathan is such a handful when DH is home.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on December 31, 2005, 18:51:35 pm
Oh Good for you Micky!!!!!  Way to tell your sister the way things are!! I can just see it - she's going to get an angel baby!!  People like that never seem to get the touchy ones.  I so hear you - I've had FOUR touchy babies.

Bec I finished that article.  I really did like it.  I see the book is not available here in Canada at this point.  There were a few things I didn't necessarily agree with but hey, I'm no authority ;) and really it's all about taking pieces of this and that that work for each of us.  She had an example of a toddler playing with mom's computer and she suggested not giving timeout which I agree with but she suggested holding the child until they came to understand the point of not touching mom's computer.  This seemed a bit controlling to me - to hold them against their will... I would probably try to just interest them in something else or give them time to use the computer themselves.  We've just purchased a cheapy pc from dh's work that surprisingly is WAY faster than our own...so we've set them both up and the girls can play games and type away on the 'old' one.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on December 31, 2005, 20:24:02 pm
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

Chat was a blast everyone!
Pity you couldn't stay, Nikki. Danielle is gorgeous!!!! Happy 9 months to her! Sounds like you have got it all planned out for today. Sigh, I wish Sam would go to timed naps! Oh well!

Micky, thanks for compliment on dh! LOL on that e-mail!!!! As for your sister, I totally emphatise. Mine has a lo due in June and has asked me why I "live in fear" by keeping to a routine. We went round for mum's for New Year's eve lunch yesterday and Sam would not go down for nap#1 and was CRRANKY!!! Dh suggested we take him to mum's as he was so that they knew that he is not always happy and smiley and only is so because of the routine. I fed him so he would get an am nap and he did great! Almost wish that I could do as dh suggested but felt soo bad for my little tired baby!

Judy, keep up the parenting tips. We have an old pc that we were going to give away but might keep it to set it up for Sam when he is a little older.

Richelle, after chat yesterday, I am inspired and have made a New Year's resolution...hoo hoo   :wink:

Bec, too hot!! It is a very pleasant 24 degrees here.

Hi Erin! We missed you. Looking forward to when you get back.

BTW, where's Holly? Any ideas, Traci?

We had a very quiet NY's eve. Sam was asleep and after dinner with dh, I went to bed early and dh saw in the NY on his own!  :shock:  :cry: He should have woken me!

OK cannot remember any more! Oh easiest quiche in the world...
Mix together:
2 oz butter
1 1/2 cup milk
3 eggs
1/2 cup self raising flour

Then add:
1 finely chopped onion
2-3 cut up rashers of bacon
1 cup grated cheese

Bake at 180degrees C for 30-40 minutes. That's it!
Have a great day all.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 20:38:03 pm
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suggested holding the child until they came to understand the point of not touching mom's computer. This seemed a bit controlling to me - to hold them against their will

Agree with you there Judy, if fact I found it quite strange of her to suggest this, because it seemed to not tie in with the rest of her message...

OK, all this talk of hoo hoo (I'm kinda guessing what you're all talking about  :wink:) has made me realise I haven't done a "trim" in a VERY long time!  Gosh, for Nathan's birth I got/made DH do it for me! LOL  :lol: In fact was looking for the sissors this morning after my shower and asked DH where they were and he suggested that he'd get the clippers out and do it for me!  :shock:  :P Needless to say, I'm still looking for the sissors....

Hayley, found another discipline book that my grandmother gave me which I hadn't even looked at  :oops:  and I think the author is the same as one that you got out from the library: Discipline with Shouting and Spanking by Wyckoff is that right?  Well this one is called Getting your Child from No to Yes.  Well, I had a quick look at it and while it give some good dialogue - that's all it is, and doesn't give any solutions on what to do if your child still doesn't do what is requested (it's actually still coming from the same theory of you do what I say which is what I'm personally moving away from) - in fact most discipline books follow this method I've found, I'd be interested in hearing how their first book is.  It talks about "Grandma's rule" - which to me is a very conditional method, the rule is: "When you've done what I've asked you to do, then you're free to do what you want to do" - now I have and actually do still use this form of getting Nathan to do some stuff, because let's face, sometimes things DO have to happen - but I rarely opt for it anymore.

Judy, what are your thoughts on Grandma's Rule?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 31, 2005, 20:40:27 pm
Goodmorning! Happy NY to you all.

We had a nice evening here, went to a friends house around the corner. About 10 adults and 5 kids (2 sets of twins + Daniel). All the kids (under 18 mnths) had lots of fun as she had some big toys, like the ride in cars/see saws etc that she'd borrowed. Daniel loved the see saw. Anyway, he went off to sleep in a portacot like an angel. No problems, didn't hear from him all night. At about 11.15pm I decided I was ready to go home. Rhys went to another 'party' on the way home that was happening on someone's lawn and I came and put Daniel to bed. Took him a little while to settle, I think the poop didn't help!  And then at midnight I snuck into his room and laid my hand on him to wish him a special happy new year. After all who else would I want to be with (apart from DH) at this time of the year??? And how is this for just wonderful.... he reached out and held my hand and pulled it towards him to cuddle. Aaawwwww it was just the most special NY cuddle ever! So I stood there for about a minute while he cuddled my hand then I snuck it away and he went off to sleep and I went to bed. I rang DH and said H.NY then he came home about 15 mins later. I felt a bit odd going home by myself while DH was around the corner (only about 6 houses away) but after my special moment with Daniel I didn't care. :)

Enough about me....

Micky, that's excellent news on how Jack's recovery is going. Sounds like he'll be running around in no time!  :wink:

I read the article that I think Bec posted. Really interesting. I keep finding myself saying 'good boy' to Daniel and am now really aware of it, so correct myself and say 'did you enjoy that?' or 'you're clever pulling yourself up like that' etc. Now, what I'd like to know, is do you just model this behaviour for the DH's to pick up on, or should I try to make him read info on this sort of stuff too? He's into reading, but not so much on the baby books, leaves that to me sort of. But I want him to be on track with my thinking. Assuming he agrees with it that is. Judy and Nikki and other experienced mums, what have you done?

Judy, is is scary to think the girls are wanting to be on the computer already? I guess it's just modelling our behaviour really, just like they want to cook or clean! Yeah right!!!

Happy 9 months old Danielle. Wow, it won't be long and we'll all be saying happy 1st birthday.

I loved the chat yesterday, much better with friends to chat to compared with my previous/1st time attempt. I'll have to remember again next week.

DH has just got up so must be time for me to make the coffees. Daniel's doing cot olympics at the moment but will hopefully be asleep any minute.....

Bye for now.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 20:47:28 pm
We posted at the same time Hayley, as far as DH's - well he's never read a parenting/discipline book he's happy to let me lead the way since we're both pretty much on the same track anyway.  I was reading UP yesterday and talking about some of the things in it and I find giving him analogies work best for him to absorb what I'm talking about.  Because we have this forum and we're basically living and breathing this stuff I find I just soak it up and there's no way he'd get the same level of understanding.  So yep, a bit of modelling but also explaining stuff as a situation arises.   Simon is still quite a way away from understanding it all though.

Sounds like you had a nice NYE.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 31, 2005, 20:48:38 pm
Karen and Nikki posted while I was writing.

Karen, thanks for the quiche recipe, I was hoping it was your porridge/congee recipe. Could you post that too? Sorry if you've done it before but I missed it.

Nikki, yes the book you mentioned is what I've got. I must read it and see what it has to say but sounds like it won't be much good after all. I like the sounds of the book mentioned in the written interview from Bec's posting.

TTFN.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on December 31, 2005, 20:51:16 pm
LOL Hayley.  I think it's probably still worth a read, reason why I say that, is you do get little titbits from all these book (in fact if you're wondering about Love & Logic then I think this is similar) - it's good to have those other tools under your belt or at least be able to make a conscious decision to NOT do some of the stuff suggested kwim?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 31, 2005, 20:53:16 pm
Thanks Nikki.

And Karen, I just got your PM. So please disregard previous message on here.

 :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on December 31, 2005, 22:26:57 pm
Happy New Year Everyone!!  :D

Well I had a BIG night - Asleep at 9.20pm  :roll: Meanwhile my best friends - Selina and twins Alison & Jane - are down in Sydney watching the fireworks on the Harbour Bridge from on top of a building  :cry: Oh well maybe next year  8)

This morning at 7.30 Halle and I walked up and had a cuppa and toast with my grandparents for breakfast. I got THEM out of bed. OMG what a turn around. I remember the days when they would be dragging my bum out of bed at 8.00 because I had 'slept in' LOL

Judy - I think I will buy that book, maybe I will get some reading in next week while we are on holidays. I thought the holding bit was weird as well but it seems I am holding her against her will to dress her all the time  :lol:  :roll:

Hayley - so cute about your little NY'c cuddle  :)  Not sure what I am going to do about getting DH on board with the parenting stuff. I am still trying to tell him not to say the dog's name and NO in the same sentence after 3 years  :roll: He is walking around saying "ABBY, NO" all the time - the poor puppy doesn't know if she is coming or going :roll: 

It is probably going to be hard getting others on board with it as well. I could tell my Mum was biting her tongue the other day. Halle was opening and closing the little cupboard doors underneath the telly. Mum was telling her "No NOOOO  Halle Nooooo" Then she looked at me and said "Becca, tell her No, she can't do that" I said it's Ok Mum because that is going to be full of her stuff anyway, so it's her cupboard!  Well mum just did this  :roll: . LOL She thinks you shouldn't have to move anything because kids shouldn't touch- meanwhile everytime we go shopping she is grabbing everything !! If she can't do it, how does she expect a little baby to do it ??  LOL

Another filthy hot day today  :x DH has gone fishing (double  :evil:  :evil: ).
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on December 31, 2005, 22:50:47 pm
Hello all...

Micky... Your sis will be eating her words, I tell ya. It sure is frustrating though for people to say that kind of stuff all the time. I have friends and family who think I am nuts for "letting" Arwyn sleep at certain times and so early at night. Anyhow, hope she doesn't have an Angel baby. I have a friend who schleps her kid everywhere and claims there isn't a problem with his sleep. He only sleeps 45 min in his own crib but will sleep for over 2 hours in his carseat. :roll: Oh, no... no problem there!

And... does DH know you are sharing his letters :wink: with your BW friends? Lucky you... he sounds like he really misses you.

Hayley... AWWWW... what a wonderful way to start 2006!

Karen... knackered Sam... poor baby... sometimes we are just victims of our own success, aren't we? BTW, I did the same thing for our family dinner... don't think I will be invited to another one anytime soon. And we have the same hoo hoo resolution :shock: .

Bec... What? no champagne on NYE?  :wink:

Nikki... Hmmm... I kinda like Grandma's rule... of course, I haven't had to use it with Arwyn but I do use it at school all the time. Some kids do very well with it and some don't. However... school IS different. There are certain things the students MUST complete. Now that I have written that... I will probably use it with Arwyn. :roll:

Okay... somebody said to watch for if Arwyn is sleepy at the wrong times to know if there may be some residual injuries from her fall down the stairs. Does being awake at the wrong times count? :roll:  My darling miss was awake from 10 pm to 1 am last night. Both DH and I tried to put her back down. I nursed, I rocked, I jiggled, I paced, I lay down with her, etc. No go... Finally, DH had to hold her to sleep on his chest. :roll: So... my guess is that she is just fine :roll: as she woke at 5 am... fed and slept until 6:30 am and then decided it was time to start our day. Sheesh... and then has the nerve to only sleep for 45 minutes for nap #1.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on December 31, 2005, 23:00:06 pm
Ankie - I can't believe she was awake for three hours in the middle of the night  :shock: 

Richelle - No it's not very Humid here but I am sure Jo and Lisa would be getting the humidity up in Queensland. The poor things  8)  How terrible it would be to live in QLD  :lol:   :wink: Just Kidding I LOVE IT !


Let's all post our New Years Resolutions. Here's mine:

 :arrow: CHILL OUT
 :arrow: Remeber to apply moisturiser to my face every day :roll:
 :arrow: Still thinking........................
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on December 31, 2005, 23:34:21 pm
Okay Bec you've challenged me.... I got home last night and I saw my tummy in the mirror and OMG I thought I looked about 4 months pregnant!!!! It's fairly small in the mornings but by the end of the day it's a little mountain on it's side again!  :oops: I have always been blessed/lucky enough to NEVER have to exercise and eat what I like and have a flat tummy and weigh about 55kgs. BUT NOT ANYMORE! The rest of my body is pre-pregnancy but not my tummy. If I suck it in it nearly all goes away, but if I don't it's really obvious. So I'm going to start exercising my tummy today. We've got a gym on base which I can use for free, so it's jsut a matter of making the time and effort to go there. DH points out I can do exercises for my tummy at home, byu t I don't. jdj   n h x (no I'm not drinking, that's Daniel's contribution to my typing). So my new year resolution....

Flatten my tummy by exercising every day

That's it, I only want to think about one extra thing to do and if I can achieve that goal I'll be over the moon!

Question for you. Daniel's not interested in my home made cooking and will only eat tinned/jarred food. What do I do? Originally it was mostly all my own pureed veges with the odd tin, then as Christmas came along and I'd run out of veges I started using more jars. Also, I couldn't get my head around doing meat for him, so the prepared stuff was good. But now he just won't eat what I cook. I've tried pureeing, and having more chunky, as he eats  more chunky jarred stuff, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Previously he loved apricot chicken I made and now he won't touch it. He's not really into finger food that much, but I'm trying to give him more to try, he managed some bananas today. It's not a teething issue as he'll eat bought stuff. HELP. Any ideas appreciated.

Better go still in PJ's and it's 12.30pm! Nice though!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 01, 2006, 00:22:03 am
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Judy, what are your thoughts on Grandma's Rule?

I don't use that tactic but I don't think it would work either on my girls.  I can see it being very tempting if it did work.  What I might do though is ask the girls to say clean up the puzzles and if they didn't and I really wanted them cleaned up for me then I'd do it myself but perhaps explain that we'll do what they want in a bit, first I'm needing to clean some things up (but this would get a big no no on the UP site because I'm still being manipulative - but I'm ok with it since it is something that is important to me... otherwise if the house is in total chaos I tend to get irritable, so better to make them wait and be manipulative that way I guess than to be crabby IMO)  I remember once over a year ago when Zoe made a mess of 6puzzles and I asked her to clean it up.  She refused so I tried "grandma's rule" I guess (never heard of it though) and made some chocolate pudding and said she could have some after the puzzles were cleaned up..... she LOVES chocolate anything.  Anyway........... *I* finally cleaned up the puzzles a couple DAYS later. 

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Judy, is is scary to think the girls are wanting to be on the computer already?

Gosh Zoe watches what I do very closely and she can open a new email message, click into the body of the message, then change the text size to 36 and type to her hearts' content - all without my help!! :shock:.  I also had her up at Nick jr. today and she was happily playing different games all on her own.  I can sit on the couch and say "ok click where it says O K, now click on Cancel, it starts with a C" and she can follow all my instructions really well. :)  Amazing!!  Sarah just clicks like mad constantly :)

Hayley my dh won't read a parenting book.  He doesn't really read much of anything and when he does he just falls asleep (which is why he usually doesn't bother).  I did get the UP dvd though, haven't watched it yet and he said he would probably watch it.  Who knows when though.  He generally says he follows my lead... and so since I'm not perfect :oops: he tends to follow the negative things I do... well he follows it all but if I point out something he's done that isn't the best approach it always comes back on me "well I'm only following YOUR lead".  Generallly I don't send them to their room for anything but every once in a while I get stuck in a moment and it comes out... then he'll do it and blame me... I really just wish he was full on trying to do the UP thing and could then step in when I was stuck.  But overall yes I hope that modelling works on him too ;)  I think as he sees the girls reactions becoming better to things and them being happier and being able to live their own lives he'll follow suit better and better, as will I.

Well it's 7.20pm NY Eve here.  Zoe has fallen asleep on the couch, Sarah has taken herself to bed, Kaia and Hannah are just finishing up their feed and off to bed :)  Ahhhhhhhhh... I'm going to go have a nice warm bath till say 8pm, have a tea, maybe work on a puzzle I bought myself or watch a movie I also bought myself :)  I imagine dh will be asleep on the couch by the time I'm done in the bath :lol:  oh - I hear him pulling the blinds in our room - means he's going to hop in the shower - well all I have to say is he better be quick so I can get my bath on the go!! :)

Happy New Year gals!!!  Wierd to think that for some of you 2006 is already here!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 01, 2006, 01:25:22 am
Happy New Year!
We are waiting for our friends to bring us takeout (PF Changs!  Yummy!!! :D ) and then we're off to a party while my mom stays with Ryan.  He is already asleep, but has been waking up a lot, so we'll see. 

 :?: What is all this hoo hoo talk about?  I mean, I know what a hoo hoo is, but what are these resolutions?

My resolutions:
Lose 10 pounds and firm up before out trip!  (MIL and SIL will look really good in their bikinis, so I must try to compete.   8) )
Call friends and family more often.  (So easy to let months slide by and haven't talked to some people).
I think I'll steal Bec's "CHILL OUT."  I need it!

Micky, can't wait to hear about your sis's baby.  I agree with Judy, she'll have the easiest angel baby...but just wait for that second one to knock her feet out from under her. 

Oh, man.  Our friends just called and they're on the way, so must dash and make sure the house doesn't look like complete doo doo.  (Another resolution:  cutting out my cursing.  Now, I'm setting myself up for failure!   :D )
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 01, 2006, 03:14:33 am
hi girls!

HAPPY NEW YEARS TO YOU ALL!! :D  I hope for a nice relaxing year, with a sleeping baby, and to be pg in the summer!

The hoo hoo resolutions are related to our chat last night Kate.  We got on talking about Brazilian waxes...who does, who doesn't, who would like too but is too chicken, etc.  So those of us that are saying they are going to have new hoo hoos in the new year I think are going to be brave enough to go for a Brazilian vs. the Euro Bush.  I, myself have not made up my mind yet...I still think I'm afraid of my lips being ripped off!  :shock:  :lol:

talk to you all soon!
micky
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 01, 2006, 04:32:09 am
HAPPY NEW YEAR!  It's about 11 PM here on the Eve right now. 

DH, Katie, and I made it back around 7:30 - a normally 6.5 hour car trip turned itself into about a 9 hour one back from the ILs due to loads of snow and ice on the roads (how does that sound Bec - so different from your 105!) - bunch of accidents (happily not us this time!), etc, etc - fortunaely Katie was quite the trooper - I sat in the back with her for a good part of the trip just to entertain her.  She has LOADS of new toys from all the family we've been seeing. 

Hmmm....sorry I missed chat last night, sounds as if it was quite interesting  :wink:

Thoughts about recent conversation....
ADHD/TV - I've got loads of thoughts on ADHD, don't really know if it results from TV or not, but I would tend to think it has some sort of genetic link, as most of the kids who I have taught who are truly ADHD seem to have parents whose behavior is remarkably similar to their childrens'.  Interestingly enough, they recently discovered the gene (well, genes, I think it was more than one) responsibly for dyslexia, so it does seem as if a good deal of it does have some sort of genetic basis.  They can do such ridiculously cool stuff with brain scans these days, it's nice to be able to prove things like learning disabilities really do exist instead of just blaming the kids for not working hard enough.

Another tangent -- I said "truly ADHD" above because I tend to think it gets overdiagnosed - kids are just active kids, or have some other sort of issue or just need a different kind of learning environment and they get slapped with the ADHD label and put on medication -- which is also so overused these days too.  I don't doubt it exists though and that medication can benefit some kids, as I've worked with some kids who truly are ADHD and who are helped tremendously with medication.  Has to be such a hard decision for the parents though - I always think about what would happen if Katie's teachers wanted her labeled and put in special ed. 

I always wonder if the ADHD label/TV link comes from the fact that some people let their kids watch WAY too much TV (as in, not a few Dora videos, but the parents who let the kids have a TV in their room when they're 6 and watch whatever whenever) which in turn can lead to them not having enough sleep, which can certainly lead to behavior problems.  I worked with a 3rd grader once who was having all sorts of trouble in school - turns out the kid went to bed around 11 every night - his parents said something like "well, he just doesn't want to and we don't know how to make him" - but with such a severe lack of sleep, he was such a behavior issue - no impulse control, no ability to handle things,  you get the picture....

The point is, I think ADHD has to do with a whole lot of things and blaming it solely on watching TV when kids are little is, IMO, thinking way too narrowly. 

All this being said, I think I miss my hyperactive 8th graders that I used to teach  :D

Anyway, I'm off - almost 11:30 now, I've had my NYE glass of wine (which may explain the rambling above, though it all does seem to make sense - one glass of wine goes A LOT farther than it used to  :D )

Hope everyone is doing well!
I've enjoyed seeing all the pics, and reading about everyone's holidays (though Ankie and Cathy, I did not enjoy the stories about your LOs sad accidents! - glad to hear things seem to be better!)

Oh, New Year's Resolution--
EXERCISE AND EAT BETTER!!! - DH and I are getting a treadmill as a Christmas present to each other - I think I weigh more now than I did when Katie was 3 months old - lots of crappy eating and not enough exercise, but will change all that with the new year!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 01, 2006, 06:45:37 am
Erin, it's so interesting to hear a teachers POV on the whole ADHD thing.

Micky

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I still think I'm afraid of my lips being ripped off!

ROFTLMAO!!

Judy, I do find Grandma's Rule (wonder why they called it that?) does work and I'll reserve it for just a few situations like tidying up the house or to get him to eat some more dinner before getting some fruit (I know, I know probably a bad one).  I don't think I'd do it if he refused and it became a big drama because then what would I be resorting to???

I have so got to stop swearing at home.  This morning Nathan was walking around saying "Butterfly" over and over for about 5mins, I thought he'd seen one outside and how sweet it was, then I noticed him following a big blowfly around the house that he was really saying "bloody fly"  :oops: , guess I hate flys, didn't even really realise that I say that...

Well we had a really nice busy day out, so tired though, but both kids survived well on about 20mins nap this afternoon.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 01, 2006, 08:52:57 am
Hi, it's quiet on here today.

Erin, good to hear you're safe and sound at home now. What a pain having the road trip take soooo long. Well done Katie!

Interesting comments about ADHD. I've often wondered if a lot of kids are suffering from too much sugar and preservatives/colourings etc which then causes overactive emotions and actions. IYKWIM. I have a friend whose son ate alot of bought quick food, like chicken nuggets etc and when she changed his diet his temperament changed for the better. She sees the difference in him as soon as he eats 'junk' food. He's still full of energy and character, but he doesn't have the tantrums as much.

Daniel didn't want his dinner again tonight, so I gave him some cheese to eat with his fingers and resorted to turning on BE. Both helped (I think) and I reheated the food so it was hotter. After a definite closed mouth and rubbing his face (sign of not wanting food) for the first little while, he ended up eating the whole lot! Half a can of food plus 1 cube of my veges. I'm not sure what did the trick, so I'm going to try with just finger food tomorrow night and see if he likes that. The strange thing was he was still really grizzly after dinner and so after about 45 mins we gave him some custard and he ate the whole tin, so he'd still been hungry. Therefore hunger (or lack of) isn't the issue. It must be something else. But what? Here are my thoughts on what could be the matter, any feedback appreciated.

 :arrow: wants to feed himself, even though he's not previously been very interested in finger foods, maybe he is now.

 :arrow: feeding dinner too early, not hungry enough (lunch is at 11.30am, dinner at 4.30pm)

 :arrow: bored with plain veges/meat, needs more seasoning as this is what the jars/tins are like

 :arrow: food too cold

I know these little ones are always changing, but why is it just when you get one thing sorted something else crops up? Can't they just eat, sleep and poop just as they should for a little while??? LOL.

Oh and the good news is Daniel now has 4 teeth. Yay!

Off to bed now for an earlyish night. 9.52pm, does that count as early?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 01, 2006, 11:25:11 am
Mornin' Gals and Happy New Year.  It's 6.20am and I am up feeding already.  I went to bed at 11pm last night with a horribly sore throat, could barely swallow.  At 3am dh convinced me that it would be much quicker to go to emerg in the middle of the night than during the daylight hours and if I had strep (no other symptoms of anything just can barely swallow) I would need antibiotics. Soooooooo -  I've just arrived home :(  Dr. said yup likely strep.  Man it's painful.  Wouldn't you know last night at supper I was feeding the babies off my spoon - only the second time ever that I've fed them off my spoon - well here's to hoping and praying they won't get it.  Or the older two who drink out of my glass as a regular habit.  I try to convince them they shouldn't ever drink out of someone else's glass as often you don't know you are sick till it's too late... :roll:

Nikki - hey if the rule works for you then yeah I'd use it.   I just have never had success with it (unless of course we're offering ice cream after dinner :))
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 01, 2006, 14:05:31 pm
hi girls, our evening was nice, just the two of us, we pulled out the bed in our sofa and snuggled. We watched our fireworks that were on tv here, I love them as they go off in such a small place. We then watched the new york celebrations,  clark was awesome, he speech is not what it was, but it was so nice to see him after the stroke he had.
Well as far as waxing hoo hoo's I make a whole lot of sense...I am too shy, don't quite have the courage to have a total stranger look and fiddle around with my bits. Makes sense after having kids doesn't it!!!!!
Well I have a nice long weekend yet again, I had a four day weekend for xams and now I have a three day one for new years.
I will chat to you later girls,
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 01, 2006, 16:14:27 pm
okay, busy all day yesterday and off to New Year's dinner at ILs *sigh*  I just want to relax.

Friday night was okay.  I have a habitual waking at 12:20 to deal with.  He woke at that time Tues, Fri. and last night (can't remember wed. thur)
Friday he was up for an hour, then back to sleep til 4:30.  I fed as it had been 10.5 hours and he slept til 6:30 (YAY)  I only expected 5:30 since he went down at 6:30 pm.
Last night he fell asleep in car on way home from friends house.  wasn't sure whether to keep him up for the 30 min. ride or not.  Anyway, fed him when I got home and he settled himself back to sleep.  Heard him up and settle several times before going to bed so that was great.  Up from 12:20-2:00!  though.  Then up at 2:45 and I fed and he slept til 6...back down very briefly, up by 6:40. 

soooooo, nights are slowly getting better (by my standards anyway)

Tooth came in yesterday-FINALLY!

k girlies, chat was sooooooooooo much fun friday.  And I really needed the laugh.  I had a thought yesterday.   For those that do it...you are BWers getting BWs....kwim??? (baby whisperers getting brazilian waxes)

hee hee.

that's all for now.  i'll go back and get caught up later tonight when we're home.

Happy New Year everyone
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 01, 2006, 17:25:15 pm
Noami I think you still make sense... waxing is different than childbirth.  During delivery they aren't just focused on your 'bits' :)  They're looking beyond them to the baby coming out.  Waxing they are focused solely on your parts!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 01, 2006, 18:01:47 pm
hi girls!

this hoo hoo talk cracks me up!  we totally talk like we've been girlfriends forever!  8) I think for me being an esthetician would be one of the worst jobs...fiddling with stinky girl bits, waxing men's backs, shaving calluses, etc. off peoples stinky feet... :shock:  :P

I think our travelling has done wonders for Jack.....he's going to bed at the same time (between 730-8pm) and is now waking at 8:15am!!  :shock:   He use to wake anywhere between 645-7:15am and then ofcourse still need a catnap to make it to bedtime.  But now with the later wakeup his naps are getting pushed back later and so now no catnap (for two days anyway :roll: )....i've probably just jinxed myself! :?  :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 01, 2006, 19:02:41 pm
Goodmorning. All this talk about hoo hoo's which I missed before I've decided to add my 2 cents worth. I have had it done in the past but not for a couple of years now. DH loved it - of course! It's our 2nd wedding anniversary in Feb so maybe I will surprise him and get it done again. That should be counted as 2 presents, not only the cost to get it done but the pain and discomfort I'm put thru to get it! I just lie there and think to myself they do this all the time and it's no different than a dentist doing my teeth. Mind you, I don't like that much either! :roll:

Micky, good to hear Jack's sleeping so late in the mornings. How nice for you!

Traci, I'm just curious, when you say Cole is awake for an hour or so in the night what are you doing with him? Is this lights on time, or are you just trying to get him to go to sleep? I couldn't imagine being awake for that long in the night now, so hats of to you lady for staying awake during the day.

Maybe now with the tooth something might improve??? Crossing fingers for you Traci. Is that Cole's first tooth?

Naomi, your evening sounds very relaxing.

Better go, someone needs me.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 01, 2006, 19:07:41 pm
Hayley, sounds like you've got a good list of possibles there, fwiw, Danielle has her meals around 8.30am, 12pm and 5-5.30, so maybe try pushing dinner out half and hour and see how he goes.  I find I always offer some sort of finger food along with the meal I'm spooning in for her unless it's all a finger food type meal.  I've started seasoning food with spices/ginger and she'll eat it up.  I also make us a family meal using those continental packets or stir in sauces and they're full of flavour, she definitely eats those up faster than straight meat and veg.

Judy, hoping the girls don't get your sore throat!  Danielle's got a yucky cough at the moment too and I had to resettle her 2 times last night (which fortunately only took a couple of minutes) and fed once around 5am then she was up at 6am for the day and woke Nathan up.  One day, one day...

Micky, funny how a big change in routine can be a good thing huh?  Maybe I should try that... :P

Happy New Year for everyone else!  DH is off windsurfing today so I'm at home with these two.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 01, 2006, 19:50:11 pm
OMG I forgot to tell you girls, now that is embarrasing considering it is a mile stone we are talking about.
Riley is officialy crawling, she kinda scoots on all fours at the speed of a turtle, but she gets there. She has just discovered the safety gate to the kitchen, and the fact that she can yank on it.
Righty ho that is my bragging done for the day!!!!!!
I am still debating the whole waxing my hoo hoo thingy, I would like to do it, dh would love it...of course, but I am a little too self concious to go thru with it I think.
k...toodles dahlings
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 01, 2006, 20:40:06 pm
Nikki, thanks for your thoughts. I didn't realise Daniel could have those mix thru sauces type of food already. I thought there might be too much 'naughty' stuff like salt, etc in there. But it would be easier if he could eat them I'm sure. What sort of finger food meals does Danielle have? My DH is into windsurfing as well, although only learnt about 4 years ago. And as we don't live anywhere too close to water he doesn't get out a lot. He has managed to get Daniel and the windsurfing gear in the car when we go to Wellington though. Amazing what you can fit in/on a car when you want to!  :roll:

Judy, hope you start feeling better soon and those germs haven't been passed on.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 01, 2006, 20:54:47 pm
You're probably right about the salt and stuff, and I only offer it once or twice a week and add a heap of other veges to it once I've taken out a small amount, so it's pretty diluted I would think.  A lot of people offer marmite at this age and that's pretty salty.  As far as finger food meals - I do a pasta sauce meal (chicken tonight brand) with spiral pasta and chicken, grated courgette; roast chicken and veges with brocolli; cheese on toast with brocolli on the side; I tried baked beans yesterday (I did have to squash the beans with my fingers first though).

Well DH decided to not go windsurfing because of the gales today - he might have ended up somewhere else!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 01, 2006, 21:34:38 pm
Heya gals!!

Salt comment - I don't think salt needs to be worried about as much in children as in adults.  I wouldn't add salt to my children's food once on their plate.. but salt does do some good for the body - we adults have just over done it -like most things :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 01, 2006, 21:44:09 pm
Judy, hope you are feeling better soon! The BF should help protect Kaia and Hannah as you are passing on antibodies against the very infection you have..very clever!!! BTW, what is in the tissue salt remedy for constipation, I need to get Sam some of that! He was awake for 2 hours last night, grunting and carrying on!  :cry: Finally crashed out on the floor with me holding him!

YAY for Riley!!! Well done!

This talk of focusing on parts is making me think twice about my resolution but I know from experience that they don't really focus on the part, just with getting the job done. Does that make sense? Kind of like Hayley's dentist analogy.

Nikki, when Danielle wakes at 5 and you feed her, do you only offer one side? What do you then do when she wakes up properly? Do you offer her both sides again? I had to do that this morning as Sam had a bad night and he obviously needed more sleep but when he woke up properly, I offered him the other side and half a bottle! I don't do this often so not sure what to do.

Traci, hats off to you. I was up for 2 hours last night and am exhausted so I don't know how you do it regularly. Hugs and hope your nights get better real soon.

You too, Ankie!

Must go, have family visiting at the moment...you know you are addicted when..
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 01, 2006, 21:55:27 pm
Hello, and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all of you!
 
I haven't time to read what I have missed, and I apologize. It is a little rude of me to come and go as I please expecting everyone to read my rants....

This year I am just hoping for my babes to stay healthy... it is truly a gift we all have to have these beautiful little miracles in our lives- may you all be blessed with MORE (if you want them of course, and if you are done, well cheers to Birth Control!!!)

The Thomas house was full of ups and downs this season- the lord kindly blessed us with the flu (or was it that snotty chubby kid at strollercize.. hmmmm?? :lol: ) -Me, Mais and Mak... not Dad of course, we needed someone to run the house!
Then we had to take an unexpected trip back to my hometown (a usual 6 hour drive now 8 with the babes) as my Grandfather has been placed in a paliative care unit at the hospital.. dying of heartbreak  :cry:

Seeing the girls Christmas morning (even though they had no clue and at that point still b!tchy from the flu) was more than enough for me.... I can't wait until they "get it"...

For those with older ones too, how exciting is Christmas for you now??
I honestly didn't care about me this year, it was soooo about the babes and they don't even care- but I tell yah when they do, Sean has his Santa suit already purchased, and we are goin HOG WILD!!!

On a baby note, the girls are now into full fledged crawling, distroyong the house, stealing toys from one another (how do you disapline a 9 1/2 month old???? HELP  :wink:  they are driving me crazy with the acts of theft!) They are sleeping well (except for the 9 month growth spurt that hit us while we were back home at my parents place... how easily you forget how taxing it is to feed babies 24-7!) Also Maisie just decided that it was time the other day to pull herself up on her new car toy and push it while taking 5 STEPS!!! scaryyyyyy veryyyyy scaryyyyy.....

Well thanks for allowing me to pop in and out of here....
Judy where do you find the time to give all the advice to us? I barely get to read through most the stuff little own reply!

By the way THANKS TO EVERYONE for the cards, I have an entire stack by my computer, and when my pics come in I will be getting a new years (valentines/Thanksgiving) card out to you all!


Take care, WARM WISHES FROM THE THOMAS HOUSE THIS NEW YEARS!!


Jody
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 01, 2006, 22:21:27 pm
Jody, nice to see you.  Sorry about the flu but glad the rest of your holiday was good.  I totally know what you mean about not caring about things for me anymore it is totally about the kids!  Although...I have to say it can be harder with older kids (Brendan who is 7) because they get so caught up in the excess.  He also has a birthday in Dec...that coupled with the fact that he has two sets of parents, four sets of grandparents etc etc...he gets on this opening gift marathon and suddenly no longer pays any attention to what he is getting or who it came from, he is simply looking for the next thing to open.  It's hard to watch, but he does eventually settle in and play with all of his stuff.
Judy hope you are feeling better soon and that the babes/girls don't get it.  Strep is so painful.  Hugs to you. (From a safe cyber distance  :wink: )
Mickey and everyone...I am still laughing about the hoo hoo's...bw's who bw..That was funny Traci.  Although I just don't imagine it in my future for several reasons #1.  Don't need to do ANYTHING to encourage dh as you all know (hidden is actually a good thing)  #2 the pain...I don't know about you girls but I seem to have a LOT of hair down there...it could seriously take days (are estheticians licensed to give the gas?)  #3 the embarassment...I'm with naomi, don't particularly want someone to have to pay that close attention to my bits!  :lol:
Thanks for the info/words on ADHD.  I completely agree with what you said.  And I also think (as Hayley?/Karen? mentioned) that the sleep/diet factor are huge.  As it is so often the case, even with adults who have health issues, we look past the obvious (diet/excersize/stress) and go straight the meds (obviously there are many cases where this is necessary...but hopefully YKWIM)
Congrats to Riley on the crawling and Cole on the tooth. 
Hayley, I find that having finger food on the tray while I am spoon feeding helps alot...also, I too find that she sort of "warms up" to eating.  She might start out kind of slow not seeming like she wants much or any and then she'll end up eating the house :)
Our NYE was actually quite nice.  We went to a friend's house (the women who does day care for Sophie...which is nice because she has the pack n play all set up for her naps) put Sophie down there.  She went down really easily.  We hung out and chatted with friends.  We left at around 10:30...too tired...got home tried to make it until 12:00 but fell asleep at about 11:45.   :roll:  :oops: Sophie woke a little at midnight (because of the fireworks etc) dh went to check on her and smelled that she had pooped. (I too was awake at this point from the noise.) She had pooped a ton yesterday and had a very red bum as a result so we felt we HAD to change her.  SO, we tag team changed her...poor little sweetie, her bum is absolutely raw today.   Any suggestions?  Haven't dealt with that yet.
Dh joked that we should write about the experience of changing her diaper...it was the first thing we did as a family in 2006 :)
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 01, 2006, 23:37:05 pm
Hi Everyone,

Well it has cooled down here a bit today (PHEW!) yesterday it actually got to 44oC !!  Apparently the hottest New Years Day for Sydney ever recorded!!  (111.4oF). (I am 1.5hrs north) Halle and I were hanging out in her wading pool again playing with her bath toys. Unfortunatley there were some terrible bush fires between here and Sydney and some poor people have lost their houses  :( .  I hope we don't get one here. Several times in the past we have had to evacuate the horses and part of my fences have burned down  :x because of bush fires near our house.

Hayley/Hannah - I totally agree that food additives and sleep can affect kids behaviour. I only have to look at my brothers kids to see that!  :roll:  They used to let them stay up until they basically passed out on the floor. Now they have a set betime (bath and story) get much more sleep and are much better for it. And they are no longer allowed to just graze on junk food all day. The improvement is really noticable. He has two older step-kids who are taking medication for ADD and when his wife decided that maybe the younger two had it, my brother put his foot down, made the above changes. He has tried to get her to take the older two off the meds but she will not budge.(their Dad will not give them the meds when they are with him) She is such a hypochondriac (sp?) She is always at the Drs/physio/therapist. The other day she tried to tell me she is bi-polar or something  :roll: She probably watched a tv program on it and diagnosed herself with it  :roll:  Sorry this has turned into a SIL rant  :lol:

Yay for Riley crawling !! and Yay for Mais taking steps WOW.


I forget what else I wanted to say :? Probably a good thing for you girls as I tend to babble on sometimes..............
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 02, 2006, 00:24:46 am
Quote from: M&M'sMom
Judy where do you find the time to give all the advice to us? I barely get to read through most the stuff little own reply!

I come on while I'm breastfeeding :)  Works great... not much else I can do anyway.  AND if I am needed elsewhere in the house, well, I've got wheels on my chair :P

Karen, the remedy I used for Kaia's constipation was called H9 - there's a bunch of tissue salt remedies - H#'s.  Had to get it from the homeopath though - don't think my grocery store, which carries many remedies, has it.

I found this info online:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/complementary_medicine/remedies_tissue.shtml

H9 is a combination of some of these...

Throat is not as sore already, antibiotics are really working.  Hate that stuff though.  Pharmacist said it was the 'safest' for breastfeeding.... what does that mean?  The safest?  Ok, but IS it safe? Or just the least of all the evils???  Chris asked me if I was going to take it and all I could say was "it hurts a lot!"  so yes.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 00:35:44 am
Karen, it's not often that Danielle makes it as far as 5am for a feed, usually it's between 2-4am and I only ever feed one side and actually take her off after a couple of minutes if she'll let me (sometimes before my letdown has even happened), usually she'll give out a quick howl but then stops (I think she knows that won't work  :wink: ), she really doesn't need the food.  :?  she goes back down to sleep wide awake too, so I have no idea... Since this morning's feed was 5am I did the few minutes and popped her back into bed and she went down fine.  If it were to coincide with Nathan being awake there is no way she'd resettle though.  Interesting, because I knew with the two previous times she just needed readjusting.  Oh, and I refed fully at 6am because she was grumpy, but if she'd woken at 6 and lastest until 7am for a feed I would have let her guide me.

Ok, so Danielle has been grizzly today (teething I think), Nathan decided to take it on himself to tell her that "you're hurting my ears" - um, that's obviously another mummy favourite saying when he's screaming!? :roll:   This little girl doesn't actually hurt my ears (YET!).  :lol:

He's just coming out with the craziest things at the moment.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 02, 2006, 02:25:27 am
Hey, there!  Hope you all had a great New Year's. 

Way to go Riley and Maisie!  We are jealous of Cole's teeth over here.  (Still no movement on that dumb half tooth.  WTF?   :? ) 
:lol:  at Nathan's "bloody fly." 
Bec, I know this was a long time ago, but that Santa picture was priceless.  You are so not a mean mom for laughing about it. She'll think it's hilarious when she's older.  And, if you get the "ellen degeneres show" there, she did a big contest of bad santa photos this year.  I'm SURE Halle would make it next year.  :D

We had a blast at our friend's for NYE.  Just several couples hanging out.  We played Boys vs Girls Taboo (a really fun game where you try to get your team to guess a word without saying certain words).  After 2 games, it was one game for each team, so we decided to do the tie breaker with a danceoff.   :lol:   The hostess had received one of those Dance Dance Revolution things for Christmas.  It was so hilarious...and actually a bit harder than I thought.  We did this for about an hour and a half, since it was too funny to watch these guys with no rhythm.    Dh actually beat me 3 out of 4 times!  :oops:  I couldn't believe it!  Anyway, got home at 2:15 am!   :shock:   Luckily, Ryan had been good for my mom and slept in until 8, but still, less than 6 hours of sleep is not nearly enough for these old bones! 
 :?: Is anyone's lo's getting really clingy/whiney(whingy)?  Ryan is about to drive us all batty, but we know he's probably in pain due to teeth/suffering from his cold/overstimulated with the extra people and toys around since Christmas.  Today, he cried whenever I left the room.   :?   Luckily, he is easily distracted, but what will I do when my mom goes back tomorrow and dh returns to work?  Yikes!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 02, 2006, 02:59:33 am
just had a quick thought, my california geograpy is crap, but I was watching the news and it was talking aboutflodding there......
Andrea and Macaire, I hope it is all safe with you there.......
Seee you fine ladies in the morning.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 02, 2006, 03:51:27 am
hi girls!

I just got puked on again! :roll:  :?   We are currently trying to wean Jack off his reflux meds but I'm not sure if that is the culprit.  In the airport when he puked on me it seemed to come out of nowwhere like it was a burp followed by a ton of puke! :shock:   But tonight he settled fine to go to sleep but not even 10 sec after I left the room he started SCREAMING!  Which is very out of character for him.  And after trying to settle him with pu/pd for about 5 min (or less) he puked all over himself, the crib, the floor, and me. :?  :(  Poor peanut!  I don't know which caused which....did the crying cause the puking or did the reflux/puking cause the crying?  He was crying super hard too. :(  He was still a little upset after puking even after I turned on the lights, cleaned him off, changed the sheets, cleaned the crib, the floor, got him a new change of clothes, new sheets for the crib, and finally cleaned myself off.  Then he finally calmed down once i got him all bundled and gave him his lovey back (a new clean one  :wink: )and started giving him cuddles.  He drifted off almost as soon as I put in the crib.....so I'm thinking that it was a bit of reflux that started this whole fiasco....but not 100% convinced.  :?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 02, 2006, 03:57:58 am
:cry: Poor Jack and Micky!  So sorry about your incident.  Guess you shouldn't have written that about his good sleep.  That might be the worst case of BW jinxing ever!   :)   (You KNOW I've just triple jinxed myself for that attempted joke!)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 02, 2006, 04:17:46 am
Hello.

My name is Janet. My daughter Kay has been on EASY since she was 2 months old. She was due on April 28 but was born on May 4.

I peek in on your thread sometimes to see what to expect re: milestones etc.

I would like to post a response to Cathy who wrote... 
"I am currently trying to get Carter down to 2 bf's a day by introducing hypo allergenic formula and he is having none of it. I guess I will have to try another kind ... any suggestions?"

I did some research before picking a formula for Kay when I went back to work in November. I recommend a website http://www.drgreene.com. I went on a live chat with Dr. Greene to help determine which formula to pick because Kay had a milk protein intolerance. Dr. Greene was very helpful and knowledgeable. He has a specialty in infant allergies.

Hope this information is helpful.

Regards,
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 05:06:37 am
:cry:  Micky, that sounds awful, poor wee Jack!

Just have to share a quick story - DH was down in our bedroom with Danielle for about 10mins, he came back with her and I asked him what he was doing "oh I was just combing her hair" LMAO.  She's got a little "do" ATM. :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 02, 2006, 06:24:43 am
Oh Micky.  I am so sorry.  Hope your night goes better.

Nikki so cute about dh and danielle. 

Janet, your lo has the exact same first and middle name as my sister! :)  Welcome!

Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 06:59:37 am
Hi there. Looks like everyone is creeping back and life on our site is getting busier again. Yay, I love reading about what everyone's been up to.

Micky, my guess is it was the reflux causing the screaming. I'm sure you do already, but have you got Jack's cot on an angle? It seems to help here and Daniel's basically grown out of his reflux. Still helps for sleeps though.

Kate, Daniel's getting a little that way too. Mostly in the afternoon though, or at the end of his awake time. Now that he's crawling though, at least he can follow me around the house. Although when there's tears he's normally sitting in one spot until DH or I go to him. And yes, distraction then works.

Nikki, I hope you got a photo of the 'do'. Just to think in years to come you'll be paying truckloads to get her hair done for school balls. I don't think Danielle will let daddy do her hair then! :wink:

Daniel didn't want my cooking again today for lunch or dinner. But would eat the jarred stuff. I tried giving him carots and co@ktail sausages as finger food and he didn't want those. We waited until 5pm for dinner but that made no difference either. So I cooked some kumara tonight and have pureed it, we'll try that tomorrow, take him back to basics and see what happens. If that doesn't work I'm at a loss. Actually I'm going to try some of Karen's recipes then if they don't work I guess I'll go and buy shares in Watties as we'll be buying a lot of it, so may as well make the most of my investment into the company.  :roll: I just don't understand what's going on. :oops:  :?:  :cry:

Happy sleeps everyone.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 07:04:02 am
Hayley, have you tried mixing some of the Watties with your homemade?   For ages I had to add pears to Nathan's regular food (probably close to a year old) to get it into him (I refused to buy canned meals, only fruit), then just reduced the amount of pears added.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 02, 2006, 07:06:13 am
Hi girls

Well I am back from my holiday, feeling relaxed and refreshed (well, kind of  :D ) and I have just spent a solid 2+ hours reading everything that has been posted during my "week off" (only this thread  :lol:)  My, you have all been busy.

So now I don't have time to post a long post - and I have a really cranky little boy just woken up from his nap on the wrong side of his cot  :roll:  - so I'd better go and pay attention to him - but I just wanted to pop on and say hi, I've missed you all and I'll fill you in on our week at the beach as soon as I can.

Cheers!
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 07:31:03 am
Nikki - yes tried that, it works if it's majority jarred food. IE he can't taste mine!

I've been reading a few other food posts and one mentioned not offering too many choices if they don't like what you offer not to give them anything. I felt that was a bit 'tough' and he would then be hungry and upset. I'd rather him eat something than nothing. What do you girls think?

Welcome back from your holiday Jo.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 07:46:47 am
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one mentioned not offering too many choices if they don't like what you offer not to give them anything. I felt that was a bit 'tough' and he would then be hungry and upset. I'd rather him eat something than nothing

I agree with not offering too many choices.  Nathan was like this and I found if I put maybe one or two pieces of finger foods on the tray at once he'd be more likely to eat it than if I put 3 different types and the whole amount I had prepared.  He is probably coming into an age of being a bit more discerning about what he likes.  I take it, that it's food that he's been eating all along, yep I found it like that, very strange, but you can't force these things.

But as far as not offering anything else if they don't eat - no I don't like that tactic personally.  I found the Tracy's advice of not making a big deal of it the best route.  Yes I've had a picky eater until he hit age 2, but now he'll eat just about everything I offer.  It did mean I had to be more creative, he didn't eat many regular family type meals (which wasn't really a problem anyway since DH was home too late generally to eat as a family anyway).  I wouldn't stress over making it an issue, he will eat.  Perhaps offer dinner at 5pm like you tried, if he's not interested what happens if you just don't make a big deal of it, remove him from the table, go play and then pop him back up there another 1/2 hr later and try again?  This may sound strange, but if you're mostly worried about him having a balanced diet, how about offering dinner for breakfast?  I've done this through certain phases and even now Nathan often gets dinner for lunch.

Perhaps it's the texture he's not liking?  Is the shop stuff smoother and blander?

Any of that useful?  :lol:

Welcome back Jo!  Look forward to hearing how Fraser went away from home and how you survived your holiday.  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 07:53:14 am
The only thing that was different was I added potato, which I personally haven't given him, but it's in other bought stuff, and it was mashed not pureed. So I'm wondering if it's one or both of these things. I know he's hungry at this time as he'll eat other food. Today and yesterday after eating a 120gm tin of food he was grizzly afterwards and then consumed a tin of custard too!

His lunch and dinner are usually both veges/meat. Is that what he should be having for both, or would something like a yoghurt or cheese on toast suffice for lunch? I guess we don't have veges and meat for lunch, so maybe he doesn't need to either. What do you others do??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 08:01:21 am
I so need to go and tidy my house before bed....

I just think of meals similar to what we have.  So breakfast is cereal and banana and maybe some toast; lunch might be cheese on toast, yoghurt and some fruit (puree stirred into her yoghurt) or maybe a peach slice sliced really thinly; dinner meat and veg and fruit.  I do try and balance the protein, carbs and fats though in equal proportions - I'm not anal about it, but I just roughly think of something from each group.  Proteins are really good for long lasting energy.

Edited to add: I also do quite a bit of avocado at lunchtime if we've got one around and cut it into chunks for her or mash it into baby rice, banana is another good one to mash it into.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 08:07:33 am
Thanks Nikki, very helpful. Now you can go clean your house!  :lol: Nice to know I'm not the only one who cleans at strange times.  :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 02, 2006, 08:47:29 am
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Is anyone's lo's getting really clingy/whiney(whingy)?


Yes and it's really starting to get me down.  :cry:  :cry:  I remember when she was a newborn and I am not sure if I had a touch of PND but I was really touchy/stressed and I cried a lot. The tears have been gone for a while now but I can feel them creeping back up on me and I think that's the reason. At least with the (non) sleeping I had a plan and something to work towards but I don't know what to do about this. This is embarrasing but yesterday I really felt like smashing my own face into the kitchen bench  :oops: I am also thinking I will never have another baby :(  I would like to have two but when I think about going through all this again it freaks me out. Then I think to myself I am such a big sook because plenty of people have worse problems and more children than me and they get through it.

Sorry Kate, to steal your question and sorry to everyone. I usually try to post 'happy thoughts' LOL but needed to get that out.  :oops: I am such a sook  :?  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 02, 2006, 09:19:47 am
Jeez my new years resolution is going really f#@%ing well isn't it ???  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 09:32:24 am
Bec, don't be sorry at all, that's what we're here for. Didn't you see all my posts above, perhaps I forgot to say how upset I'm getting about this and stressed, and the banging the head sounds familiar. I'm actually asking Daniel what's wrong and hoping he'll talk and tell me in words I fully understand.

Anyway, enough about me. Hang in there and know it is only a phase. I've read it can last a month or two. I guess for some it may last longer though. Perhaps could turn it into a positive thought, that Halle really really loves you, and you are the most important person in her life. She wants your cuddles and reassurance to know that everything is ok, and she will be able to be more independent again soon because she knows you will always be there when she needs you. We play lots of peek-a-boo with Daniel which not only entertains him, but it helps to learn that we go away, but we still come back. We often do it around doors.

Now that I've said all that, feel free to quote me when I go thru the same thing, as I said previously Daniel's a little bit that way but not all the time at the moment. I hope things get better Bec. Oh and friends who have got  two children all seem to find the older one helps entertain the younger one, thereby making things seem a little easier. Sending happy vibes your way. {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 02, 2006, 15:36:47 pm
Bec-((((hugs to you)))) I ditto what Hayley said.  It's only a phase to get through.  Just think how you feel, teary eyed and frustrated and how nice it is to have support from DH or other loved ones.  That's just how Halle feels.  She just wants extra hugs and attention from mum.  If given to her now she'll know that you're there for her even when you're not in sight and things will get better.  Don't ever feel bad for posting sad/angry/frustrated thoughts.  That's what we're here for.  I have had many a feeling as you, especially in the last 6 weeks with little sleep.  I've shed many a tear in the middle of the night while patting a bum, sitting in the glider waiting for the jolt, or believe it or not, trying to get some stretching in so that my time out of bed isn't a complete waste :?

Naomi-yay for Riley!  That is big big news.

Jody-you're of course welcome to come and go as you are able.  I wish I had more time here and I'm on every day!  Glad to hear you're all feeling better and YAY for the steps!

Judy-oh dear...glad to hear you're feeling better already and I felt better reading Karen's response that your breastmilk will protect the girls.

Nikki-LOL and bloody fly.  cannot wait to tell DH!

MIcky-sooo sorry about your night.  hope you get it figured out.  wonder if he's just got a stomach bug of some sort rather than the reflux??  should you call your ped and see if anything is going around?

Janet-Welcome!  Join in anytime and let us know more about you and Kay.  I grew up in Oakville by the way!

Hayley-sorry I can't help about the food issue.  I am finding that Cole struggles a bit with chunkier stuff.  I'm starting to mash his apples and squash instead of pureeing and he takes much longer to eat and doesn't have as much.  He's making progress on finger foods too.  Not nearly where some of the los are though eating curries, spag bol (still don't know what that is) etc.  btw, for those combined type meals..did you all test each ingredient first or just mash it all up and feed away?


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Traci, I'm just curious, when you say Cole is awake for an hour or so in the night what are you doing with him? Is this lights on time, or are you just trying to get him to go to sleep? I couldn't imagine being awake for that long in the night now, so hats of to you lady for staying awake during the day.

Maybe now with the tooth something might improve??? Crossing fingers for you Traci. Is that Cole's first tooth?


I am trying to put him back down the whole time.  I have to admit that I give in a lot and touch him (his legs, hip etc) more than I should.  It's hard in the night to do full pupd.  I did it last night for bed...but can't bring myself to do it when the house is so quiet and i'm so darn tired.  It was Cole's 4th tooth but it's taken nearly 2 weeks to cut through.

Jo-welcome back.  can't wait to hear about the beach.

resolutions. hmmmm-haven't thought of any for this year.  I have only ever kept one resolution. 2002 I said I'd run a marathon and I did!  started running in January, ran a half marathon in May and the full in October. soooo, maybe just to get back into running or at the very least do something just for me each and every day!

k, so yesterday cole had 3 short naps.  don't get me started on WHY (DH rant in there).  Anyhoo, did pupd for bed, down at 7:30, woke at 8:40, 9:20 settled easily with a pat or two. Need report from DH because i went to bed at 10:30.  He mumbled this morning that he woke at 11 and 12 something but again settled easily...then he woke at 4:30.  I think this is another habitual waking...but i fed and he slept until 6:45!  YAY.   have to ask DH if he did Wake to sleep for the 12:20 waking as I asked him to.  we'll see and i'll let you know.  fought cole for first nap.  he seemed tired at the 2:30 mark, but didn't fall asleep until 3 hours of A time.  Seemed to need some camomilia too as the drool faucet was on this morning.  Do you los still seem to be in some pain after the tooth has cut through?  I always thought that was the worst part :?

okay, nap is about to end and I have to go to the nap board.  connection down again yesterday.

btw-holly is fine, her connection which is with the same company as me has been down for a WEEK!  she says hello and is dying to get caught up with everyone.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 02, 2006, 17:52:40 pm
Hugs Bec.  As Hayley and Traci have said, it is a phase and a REALLY frustrating one for everyone.  Traci put it well though and you'll all come out stronger in the end.

Traci spag bol is short for spaghetti bolognese which I think you may call spaghetti sauce?  It's just a tomato based sauce stirred through minced beef and served over the top of spaghetti.  I haven't been giving that to D yet though, but I think Nathan was getting it at this age.

Well my two slept through again!  And until after 6am!  I'm still trying to put my finger on it - I ruled out food issues for Nathan (was wondering if certain foods triggered restlessness, but over a month nothing seems to be the trigger), the only thing is that DH is home and Nathan's getting him during the day and therefore isn't craving him at night?  Also I gave both kids a remedy before bed the last two nights - Nathan had a sleeping remedy and Danielle a teething remedy.  :?

Traci, Danielle's activity times have really stretched out to 3-3.5hrs now and I was/am struggling to put her down for her normal naps times, so have pushed them out a bit.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 02, 2006, 18:09:37 pm
thanks Nikki-after being up for 3 hours he had an 1:40 minute nap!  woo hoo! 

i will try stretch his A times for sure...

OH...spaghetti sauce!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 02, 2006, 18:14:15 pm
Hi girlies  :D

Bec - Don't worry at all about being frustrated and sharing it with us.  Sometimes I think it is so hard and overwhelming to always be responsible for another human being.  On some days when Katie is super clingy, I just want to tear my hair out in frustration.  Hope it gets better soon...and hope those wildfires stay away from you!

Judy - Hope you're feeling better - I remember strep being really painful, but the antibiotics work well....just remember to take ALL of them (thought you needed the reminder as you're not too keen on taking them in the first place!).  I'm not a huge fan of antibiotics either, but they work when you need them to - I had to be on antibiotics when I was about 8 months PG and I was none too happy about that. 

Hi Janet - feel free to lurk or post or whatever  :D

Naomi - Yay for Riley! 

Jody  :shock:  on all the movement in your house! 

Jo - welcome back!  Hope Frase gave you a chance to relax a bit at the beach.  Looking forward to hearing the full report!

Micky - ugh on the puking!  I hate cleaning up puke.  Katie choked on one of her Cheerios yesterday and threw up everywhere, including the pocket of her overalls!  I came home (DH was home with her at the time) and she was in her bouncer in a onesie.  Too funny!

Traci - I'm very impressed that you ran a marathon!  DH has done a couple.  Maybe Cole has another tooth working its way in after this one - Katie once got three teeth in about a week! (It was her 4th, 5th, and 6th teeth actually!)

Katie learned how to clap the other day (well, to clap the proper way - for months she was slapping her hand into her fist).  She's desperate to stand up, but hasn't quite gotten it figures out - I doubt she's that far away from it.  Actually, she figured it out in the bathtub  :shock:  so she's always trying to practice there  :roll:

OK ladies, is it just me, or are a bunch of us confused about food right now?  I feel like we've had lots of food questions pop up.  Katie still eats mainly jarred stuff, but I'd really like to change that.  Presently, we do this:
Breakfast: jarred fruit mixed with oatmeal/multigrain cereal.  After she eats that, I'll giver her some cheerios or fruit puffs and some cut up fruit if we have any around.

Lunch: some days I'll give her one of those jarred meat/veggie mixtures or jarred pasta or jarred rice and beans.  Some days she gets yogurt.  I also give her a jar of veggies with lunch, usually followed by some cheerios or something like that.

Dinner: Back to fruit and cereal and more veggies, sometimes some meat and veggies if she's had yogurt for lunch.  I'll also give her some of whatever we're eating (if it's not crap, as we've been living on lately) or yet some more cheerios. 

Nikki, it was really helpful to read what you do with Danielle - so, what does everyone else do?  Maybe by sharing our "food routines" we can help each other.  Incidentally, she still BFs morning and night, takes a couple of ounces of formula with her lunch and takes a good amount of formula 7-9 ounces about an hour before dinner.

Thanks ladies!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 02, 2006, 19:07:33 pm
K ladies, this ios not a vent, more of a concern.
I am getting worried about dh.
He is not huge for size, but he is not tiny either.
We have gone thru this for a while now, he goes good for a week but then gives in and doesn't care anymore.
But what brought this all to light for me was the fact that I bought some cheap cookies after the xmas sales etc, and they are nearly all gone. I had one out of one box, about four out of another, and now they are almost all gone. I even found a pack of the kids cookies by the computer today.
It has gotten to the point that we now do not buy anything that can be easily eaten, ie cookies, juice etc. he can chug a batch of juice made up like it is nothing. You know those frozen juices yuou can buy, well one of those when it is made up, in one sitting.
he can eat a 2liter tub of ice cream on a 24hr period.
I will say something to him, it needs to be done, but at the same time it is a reacurring topic and I feel like I ma nagging him about it.
He pick eats all day and into the night.......
I think the whole concept of loosing weight is lost. I will mention things to him, he agrees but then it goes away.
I know that this is only something that he can do for himself, but he grew up eating cakes and stuff like that on a very regular basis. He is eating healthier now than he ever has but I am thinking that that is all he feels he needs to do...
I dunno, I just wanted to let it out, it sucks just watching him eat all this stuff, and know it is not doing him any good.
Thanks for the shoulder girls......
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 02, 2006, 19:36:21 pm
Thank you for the warm welcome.

It is hard to recap the past 8 months but I will try...

I received the BW as a shower gift when Kay was 3 weeks old. I started to follow the routine loosely but I was still doing a lot of accidental parenting to get Kay to sleep. When she turned 6 weeks old things really got out of hand and nothing worked. After two weeks of chaos we started a strict EASY routine with a nap and bedtime routine and we have never looked back! Kay immediately blossomed on a routine. She started taking regular naps and sleeping through the night.

Kay needed a TIGHT swaddle until she was over 4 months old. At every nap or bedtime she cried a ton…really hard...EVERY time I put her down to sleep. Sept 23 was the first day that she did not cry at every sleep time. It was such a great day! I felt like I had accomplished so much.

Now Kay is more textbook and a lot less spirited. Everyone thinks she is an angel baby...but like most BW moms I know it is because she has a great routine.

I went back to work in early November. I have a great job but it was hard to go back at first. The anticipation of leaving Kay was the worst part. She actually spent only one morning (with me there) at a daycare...and then I decided to find a new one. The school did not feel right to me. The sleep room was not dark and the teacher admitted to me that she normally is with kindergarten kids not babies...she did not respect my routine. So, two days back at work and I had to find a new school ASAP.

Luckily, the administrator at another school I visited was able to perform a miracle and Kay started immediately at another nursery school. It is a great place that is a Montessori school. I can see the classroom on an Internet feed if I want. I don't actually look at it...but the fact it is available tells me all I need to know.

For November and December Kay went to school part-time (that is what they had available) and my parents helped out a day a week, I “worked” from home (as much as I could) and my parents, my husband or I covered the other few days. I would not have asked my parents to do this in a million years…but desperate times call for desperate measures. I am pleased to say it worked out very well. It has been great for all of them to get to know each other better and for the three of them to form relationships. It is very special to see Kay’s face light up when she sees my Mom. FYI – my parents live out of town and drive 45 min to get to our house.

Kay starts school full-time tomorrow. But she will actually be there 4 days a week as I am still going to be home one day (plus I pick her up at 3:30 pm so she is only there 7 hrs a day).

So that is the recap…

In general, Kay has a very sweet disposition. She loves music and our dog (a beagle named Georgie Girl). She is sitting up quite a bit and is working on pulling herself up to the sitting position. She has been trying to scootch for a while but has not put it together.

Kay has been sick over the holiday and is better now but the cold/cough will not go away. Life at daycare I suspect. I suspect it is also part teething. No teeth yet…

My husband is very supportive. He is a typical man…makes lots of mistakes and seems to forget everything I tell him…but he has been very active in everything. He learned to put Kay to sleep which was not easy. There were some crazy moments along the way…and there will be more no doubt…but he tries really hard and does a good job. We have been together for 10 years married for almost 5.

I don’t get to check the website that much anymore…but I will try and stay plugged in.

FYI…on the food front I bought a cookbook by Annabel Karmel I think that is her name… and I made lots of food over the holiday. Some of the recipes are really easy and a little cooking makes a lot of food. I am not a fan of the jarred food so I hope I will be able to keep making my own. 

Sorry for the long post…
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 02, 2006, 20:45:49 pm
Welcome Janet and Kay. Your introduction was lovely and it sounds like Kay is thriving! Too cute that she goes to "school"!

Naomi, no advice there as dh is a fitness freak and will not let junk into "his temple". Actually, what I do is I have no junk food in this house and I make snacks that are healthy ie with dried fruit, muffins with olive oil etc.

Bec <<<HUGS>>>. Everything Hayley said...Sam gets clingy when I have been at work more hours than usual and those days, I let everything go and I put him in the sling and carry him round when I do simple chores. I cannot imagine all day everyday though, sorry! Is she good with dh? Do you think that once a day you could get out for a walk or do something for yourself...like Traci says?

Judy, thanks for that, will have to hit up the local Health Store.

Yay for Katie clapping, Erin!

Hope you had a good time away, Jo. Can't wait to hear about it and see pics.

Nikki, LOL on the "bloody fly" and the dh hair do...that is sooo sweet!! Hurray on the sleep!

Erin, food routine...
In the morning, Sam has a BF first thing. I then give him cereal with formula and fruit in it. He sometimes also gets a piece of fruit-banana, pear but not choky apple!

Midmorning, he has a bottle of formula and about 11 or 12, he has lunch which is either rice porridge, pasta, couscous or veges. He sometimes gets a piece of toast as well.

3 pm, Sam still has a full bottle. This is usually followed by something to chew on like a piece of fruit or some biscotti or a cracker.

5-5.30 pm, Sam is usually ravenous and will eat dinner, usually a mixture of meat, veges and a starch or just meat and veges. He usually has desert as well which is either fruit or some custard.

7pm, BF before bed.

Both his bottles are about 5-8 oz. Like Nikki, I make all my own food and only occasionally give him a jar so he does not get bored with my cooking. I still cannot give him purely finger food as he then chases me round the kitchen begging for food.

Another food question, does anyone else give their los little snacks when they are out even when it is not time for food? I don't want to encourage snacking but lately, we have had a lot of family visiting and we go out for lunch mainly or a BBQ in the afternoon. Sometimes I give Sam his lunch at home and when we get to the restaurant, I give him something more, usually I order something I know he can have and give him a bit. He loves it as I think he feels like he is in on the action! I sort of think this is important to promote eating as a social exercise but am I turning him into a snacker? I guess this does not happen enough to worry...hmmm.

Sorry this was sooo long.
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 02, 2006, 20:46:42 pm
Oh, I have also just bought the Annabel Karmel book and am on holiday this week so have been cooking up a storm!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 02, 2006, 21:09:20 pm
Morning ladies.

Janet & Kay, nice to hear about you and your family, it sounds like everything is going really well for you. Join in whenever you can.

Erin, thanks for your food routine and suggesting we share.

Traci, yay for Cole's sleep. FYI Daniel is awake 3 hours from when he first wakes for the day to first nap. Then 3.5h for the next awake time. Mostly now he sleeps 1.5h each nap. This makes his naps a lot later, 9.30am for first and he doesn't go down until 2.30pm for his 2nd nap. Waking around 4pm. He goes to sleep for the night at 7pm.

I'm going to try pureed kumara and apple for lunch today, and some cheese on toast too. Here's hoping it works. I'll keep you posted.

Naomi, the only thing I can suggest is not having them in the house. Perhaps if he comments that you don't buy snacks anymore, if you don't feel like making an issue of it, can you say you would prefer not having them in the house as you don't want the kids learning that it's ok to eat those sort of snacks all the time. After all, they copy us don't they? We stopped buying coke and fizzy for that reason. Although DH does have Lift (lemon fizzy drink) with fish and chips on Friday night.  Or are you wanting to loose any weight personally? Perhaps you could start a new eating/fitness regime and encourage him to do it to as this will help keep you positive and on the right track.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 02, 2006, 21:31:50 pm
Hello everyone!  We have been experiencing short naps here again which is pretty frustrating.  I know he is capable of hour and a half long naps but his afternoon nap has only been 30-45 mins lately and he wakes up tired.  Last night was the first night in about 5 days that he actually slept through again.  I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt or complaining but when your baby has slept through the night for over 5 months straight then you being to wonder why he isn't all of a sudden. 

Dh has been home from work (on vacation) for almost 2 weeks now and today he comes up to me and says "man, I'm babied out!!".  I'm thinking, it's only been 2 weeks ... try doing it every day for 9 months!!!  Then he proceeds to rub my shoulders and says "Now I know what you go through every day.  I guess you don't sit at home on the computer all day!"  :shock:   :roll:   I'm sure he will only remember what it feels like for a few weeks and then it'll be back to normal. Meaning him taking everything for granted again!!!  Oh well ... atleast he understands for now!! :)

Janet:  Welcome and thanks for the advice on the allergy formulas.  I am going to call my ped again and see what else he recommends too.

Traci:  When Carter is teething he seems in more pain once the tooth is through.  I thought it was weird myself.  I guess as it all comes through is quite painful too. 

Bec: Carter is extremely whiny these days.  I can't leave the room, esp at nap/bed times.  I am very glad that DH is around these last few days or I would have gone crazy!!  I do get very upset when he is always crying or won't sleep etc.  I act like the world is ending and have feelings of being very destructive.  I just try and breathe and relax (hard to do) and then tell myself to get over it  :roll:    :)

Judy:  I hope you feel better soon!  I absolutely HATE going on antibiotics! I had to while pregnant because I came into contact with a dog at my work that had leptospirosis (causes abortion in humans if exposed) and again when Carter was 2 weeks old because of mastitis.  I am very bad at not taking teh full prescription as well!!

Erin:  As for food ... I mainly make my own so far and only give him bland things.  He just started finger foods and I haven't added spices or anything to any of his foods.  I guess I am afraid because of his allergies (surprisingly a lot of baby foods do have milk powder or cream in them). It's something like this:
Wake-up: BF then one hour later ...
Breakfast: Cereal (oatmeal, barley or mixed) with spinach cube mixed in and then fruit (usually mango, kiwi, or banana)
Wake-up from nap: BF then hour and a half later ...
Lunch: Jarred meat combo and then either fruit (apple or pear cube) or veggie (usually carrot, green bean or pea cube).  Then Farley or arrowroot cookie.

Dinner (5:30-6:00): Usually jarred sweet potatoes, mixed veggies or veggie cube  and fruit (jarred mix like apple/mango/kiwi or prunes etc) then Nutrios or cookie.

Cereal before bed then BF.

I am reluctant to give him our food because I never know what is in everything ... like what are other names for eggs or milk.  So I stick to straight veggies and fruits etc.  I know ... we're boring!  Carter doesn't do so well on really chunky stuff either.  He likes to fill his mouth (think whole cookies at once) and then he chokes  :roll:   We have to watch him very carefully. Plus he likes purees ALOT!!

Anyway, company just came over.  They have a one month old and a 3 year old who goes to bed around midnight- 1:00am and still sleeps in their bed  :shock:  :shock:   I told her about the baby whisperer but she thinks that kids will do what they want no matter what and that you can't change them  :shock:  :shock:

Happy New Year ladies!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 02, 2006, 22:02:17 pm
OK, girls, I am finally back. I've spent the last 2 days trying to get caught up on all i missed, but when I realized a new thread was started and I was already 12 pages behind, I thought, forget it!!! So I'm glad everyone had a nice holiday who did...for those who didn't, I'm sorry--just think it's a new year and a fresh start.

Now, before I take my own advice...here's how our trip went. (Warning: Some ranting ahead) Liv did FABULOUS on the 10-hour trip. She was a trooper--she took pretty regular naps in the car, sang and played when she was awake, and generally did great...for 9.5 hours each way. Then she had a melt-down (both there and back) I figured she was entitled to it. She was a hit at my parents and at the ILs. She did pretty well with the new faces and loved "playing with" her cousins. HOWEVER, from the first night, she started waking SEVERAL times...and it's still going on. At first I thought it was just the new surroundings, all the excitement, etc. Then she started scooting and waving, so I thought it was developmental. But it got worse. Then I noticed she had 2 more teeth coming through. But it still got worse, and the teeth were all the way in. The first night she woke 2-3 times. By the next-to-last night, she was waking every 30 minutes all night long!!! DH and I are so exausted!! Between being up with her all night and trying to visit all day...we're worn out!! (We tried to take naps, but we had traveled so far to see everyone, we felt bad sleeping while they were all doing stuff.)

Things got so bad, we ended up cancelling the last leg of our trip. We had tickets to the KC/Cincinnati football game on New Year's Day. (DH and I are both KC fans.) We were supposed to drive to KC New Year's Eve and stay with my grandma (who was going to watch Liv while we went to the game). But we had NO sleep all week long and DH and Liv were starting to get sick. So Sat morning we decided to give the tickets to DH's brother and just go home. Liv did well Sat night in her own bed. Woke several times, but was able to settle herself. I didn't have to go in to her until 7am (although I woke up several times, but didn't have to go to her). Last night, however, was the WORST so far. We put her down at 7:00 (did regular routine). She woke at 8:00 and DH had to settle her. She finally went back to sleep about 8:45. THen woke again at 2:30 and was up till 4:00. I reached the point again last night (for the 2nd or 3rd time this week) where I just had to get DH to take her and I laid and bed and cried b/c I was so tired, I have no idea what's wrong with her (she's no longer sick, wasn't hungry, didnt' need changing...just awake), and I see no end in sight!!! I'm so completely tired, I've eaten nothing but junk and I haven't worked out in almost 2 weeks (that's usually what keeps my sanity), so feeling like a big, fat, tired slob!!! Sorry to just dump it all on you, but I think it's reaching a boiling point today b/c DH goes back to work tomorrow and I see no end in sight. (you know you're addicted when you can't wait to get home to gripe to all your BW friends about what's going on!)

Other than all the sleep deprivation, our holiday went well. We had a good time visiting family, Liv got a TON of great presents, and they all loved Liv...although I don't think they believe that she usually sleeps from 7:30 to 7:30 at home without waking!! I kept getting comments like "Do you think you're putting her to bed too early?" (after putting her down an hour past regular bedtime!) or (from my LOUD BIL), "That's so weird that she can't sleep through stuff..." (like his yelling right outside the door to her room) "...when [DS] was a baby, we just kept things loud and he learned to sleep right through it." I did give my sis the BW book for Xmas. She's expecting their 2nd LO in April, so we'll see if things change this time.

Well, I have a theory on all these wakings...I think it might be separation anxiety?! I noticed some of you were already talkign about that. I've noticed she's WAAAY more clingy during the day, and I read in BWSAYP that it can carry over into night wakings. Any one experiencing that? (TRACI, I couldn't remember if you ever figured out what was causing Cole's wakings...could be SA?) If so, anyone have any advice?

Well, hate to vent and run, but there are Christmas decorations to be taken down and groceries to be bought. I really did miss you girls...I'm glad to be back. I tried to get online once at my parents, but couldn't find enough alone time to do so. Sorry for the "downer" post...thanks for listening. You girls rock!

I'll post some pics of our holiday later...loved looking at all yours!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 02, 2006, 22:02:42 pm
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Traci, yay for Cole's sleep. FYI Daniel is awake 3 hours from when he first wakes for the day to first nap. Then 3.5h for the next awake time. Mostly now he sleeps 1.5h each nap. This makes his naps a lot later, 9.30am for first and he doesn't go down until 2.30pm for his 2nd nap. Waking around 4pm. He goes to sleep for the night at 7pm

This sounded very much like our day today.  Slept 9:45-11:30 :shock:  :shock:  then 2:30-3:30.  I actually had DH wake him (wanted him woken at 3:45 but DH got mixed up) because I want to maintain a 6:30 bedtime if I can.  We'll see how bedtime goes...this is new territory for me with a 3:30 wakeup.  I have to say I really really like it!

Cathy-glad to see DH got in on the action, including putting Carter to sleep.  I think that is so important and even though my DH doesn't do it perfectly...at least it's not always ME doing it.  You're right though...his memory will be very short about how hard it is what we do.

Naomi-have you tried to approach it from a health standpoint as opposed to a weight standpoint?  something about a healthy heart or something like that?  Of course, you could say that you can't have the stuff around for yourself either...as your resolution is to drop the remainder of your baby weight and you'd like his support.  Make it about you, not him.  HTH

Our food-I forgot I had Annabel Karmel.  DUH, gotta get that out tomorrow!

morning-fruit and oatmeal
lunch-fruit and veg with cereal or 2 vegs with cereal and recently yoghurt
dinner-2 vegs and cereal.  have only tried jarred chicken (yuk).  want to introduce eggs, other meats and tofu soon.

so I haven't been very adventurous either.  Fed him sweet potatoe from my plate yesterday that had a touch of butter and salt and pepper.  he ate it.

gave him broccoli/cheese/potatoe casserole (jar) yesterday and today and today he spat up a bit.  i'm not sure dairy is going to go well for him as he had issues with egg a while back. I was hoping it wasn't related to the eggs but now maybe it is.  *sigh*  who said their lo has a dairy allergy?  I so hope cole doesn't....

okay, got a guest over and we have other friends coming over for a game night sooooooooo gotta run!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 02, 2006, 22:46:17 pm
Janet... welcome! Thanks for the intro... looking forward to getting to know you and Kay!

Naomi... we struggle here with "easy" snacking foods here. The only way we can avoid it is to not have it in the house at all. I don't know if your DH is a snacker because he is... or because the food is around. DH and I find that our snacking is caused by the presence of the food, not us.

Nancy... {{{{{HUGS}}}}} to you. I hope Liv settles her night sleep soon. I soooooo know what you are talking about... sleep deprivation is no fun. Glad to know you guys had a wonderful visit though!

Cathy... I know what you mean about wondering why your lo who has sleeping through the night for the last 5 months, suddenly doesn't. I am STILL wondering. :wink:

Okay... I can't remember specific people anymore but general areas of discussion... separation anxiety & food.

SA... DH and I have noticed that Arwyn "requests" one or the other of us to put her to sleep sometimes. She usually takes 20 minutes to settle down for night sleep and if it takes more than that and she is "calling" DH, I let DH put her down. We are worried it is turning into a prop but so far, it is intermittent and we also think that it is because DH has been home for the last 2 weeks. Tomorrow, though... he is back to work and we'll see what tomorrow night brings. :roll:

During the day, Arwyn needs to be close to us... she is not super clingy, but she needs to be within "reachable" distance and in sight. We can no longer put on BE and leave the room. She keeps checking for where we are. I too, have had days where I had to carry her around while doing stuff (or not doing stuff) but they are few and far between.

Food... Arwyn is a terrible eater  :? but... she loves to feed herself. I can no longer feed her by spoon very much. I cut up fruit (cantaloupe, honeydew, orange, asian pears so far.) and cheese, pasta, cooked veggies and she feeds herself at every meal while I try to get the "main" meal in. Sometimes, when we are eating something appropriate for her also, I feed her from our food. She LOVES that.

Breakfast... 4 tbsp cereal & fruit
Lunch... pasta in soup with veggies
4 pm snack... cheese and cookies or Cheerios or Baby Mum mums
Dinner... 4 tbsp congee w/ veggies & meat

Oh... mustn't forget those Cheerios. I let her have Cheerios throughout the entire meal. Otherwise, she is fussy, whine-y and a general grouch, refusing to eat. My mother says that I should withhold them but then, it would turn into a power struggle to feed her and I would rather not. Besides, she only gets 4 tbsps (maybe) of cereal for brekkie.

Arwyn also, doesn't like my food as much as the jarred foods. I don't often give her the jarred stuff but when I do, she just gobbles it up. Sometimes it makes me sad... :cry:

Anyhow... I am sure I will be checking in more often now that DH will be going back to work tomorrow. "See" y'all later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on January 02, 2006, 22:57:47 pm
Happy New Year to everyone.
Nikki-glad to hear that you have an expert shaver in your house as well.  I will allow Dh to do it sometimes but I am afraid he is going to shave everything off.
Hayley-Ben on solids is a roller coaster for us.  Currently he is into accepting a lot of different foods but squishing it out of his mouth.  Don't give up on your foods though.  When we went on vacation I used jarred food and it took a while to get him back on home made. 
wake bf
8-yogurt/fruit sometimes cereal
11bf
12:30 veggies/meat/cheerios
3bf
5 veggies/meat
6:30bf
lots of advocado and some tofu
Hannah-I have been using aquafor on the most recent rash and a warm bath and some nakkie time
Naomi-thanks for asking about the flooding.  We are doing good so much rain though and tons of sirens all of the time.  We went outside yesterday for "storm watch" and videoed the storm.  People in CA think it is such a big deal when it rains for more than a day and more than a few inches!!!
Bec-thinking about you... I too want more kids but don't know if my mind can handle it.  I know down the road I will feel better and less stressed
Naomi-I agree with the idea of throwing you into the eating healthy theme
also, talk about how soon it is going to be important to show Ri and everyone in the house how to eat good.  DH and I ate a bag of Fritos yesterday in the morning!!!  He said I guess we won't be able to do this soon!
Nancy-glad that you made it back safe and sound.  Hope the waking decrease rapidly
Lots of wakings here as well.  Yesterday had a terrible diareah(Sp?) day.  Ben went poop 5 times and the stench was out of this world.  Today it is still runny but not as stinky.  Doc is out of the office until tomorrow.  I had a really cheesy appetizer two days ago with melted asiago cheese... do you think that was it?  The babysitter's mom our neighbor who is so nice also happened to feed him some of her home made soup :evil:  :twisted:  she is a lovely lady but her cooking is very imaginative... can't believe she did that.
His mood is normal and he is napping well, hoping that it gets better soon.
after the chat I went in the kitchen and DH told me that I had to pay for being on the computer for so long!!! 
hope you are all doing well.  Talk again soon.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 02, 2006, 22:59:07 pm
Hi Girls

Thanks so much for all the hugs :D   I know you all are needing them too. I wish we could get together and have a big group hug  8)  Then  party time  :lol:

Traci - I am imagining you doing your stretches in the middle of the night  :lol:  :lol: IT's cracking me up !! Talk about multi-tasking LOL

Nikki - I bet that feels great to have both kids sleep through  :) Halle slept through last night from 7.30ish to 5.30ish and just went down without a peep for her first nap, so I am thinking today is going to be a good day  :D

Jo & Nancy Welcome back! And also welcome to Janet & Kay  8)

Naomi - I would do what others have suggested and not have the junk food in the house. I was thinking maybe you could all go for a walk as a family or something but not sure what happens with the snow  :?

Karen - I give Halle snacks while we are out. I don't think it matters how much she snacks as long as it's healthy stuff. She sometimes gets chips but they keep her quiet while I eat my meal  :wink:

Hayley - don't you mean to say you DH eats 'Fush & Chups'  :lol: JK!!

Erin - I am still pretty simple with the food. Cereal & Fruit for breakfast. Yogurt & Fruit for lunch. Veges for tea. Some snacks in between of toast or cheese or chopped up fruit or spriral pasta.

I got a little recipe book from my Mother & Child health nurse. She is not suppose to hand them out because they have an advertisement for formula in them but she snuck me one!! It's called 'The Yummy Scrummy in your Tummy Cookbook" It has some really great recipe's in it.  Here's one called "Bambino Bolognese" I am going to be adventurous try it out on Halle for her first taste of meat. (as soon as I can find those tiny star pasta things)

2 tbsp tiny star pasta (stelline)
60g lean minced beef or veal
1 tsp butter
1 skinned, finely diced tomato
1 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp water
1 tsp grated cheese
1 tsp garlic

Cook the pasta in boiling water. Drain and mix with butter. Saute beef or veal for 2-3 mins in butter and garlic, add the chopped tomato, tomato paste, water and cover. Simmer until meat is tender (about 15 mins). Pour over pasta and garnish with a little grated cheese.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 03, 2006, 01:00:57 am
becca thank you for that.....I had a chuckle at what to do in the snow....it is amazing at how different places can be...you are hot and sunny and we are cold and snowy.
Thank you for the suggestions girls..dh and I know we have to do somethig about our eating, but ankie I think you hit the nail on the head with eating cuz it is there.
I am doing good, my goal weight is 120lbs, but I will settle for anything 140 or below right now.....hope fully by the summer most of it will be gone...we have a water fountain at work, so that is all I drink there, and also I walk to work and back....so that is 45mins each way......
I bettter get off to bed girls.....the kids are back at their sitters in the morning...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 03, 2006, 02:37:11 am
You all have been busy.  Had to wait til I dropped my mom off at the airport as she made the comment that I am "on that computer all the time."   :evil:   She was watching a movie, so I took that time to catch up here, post some pictures, and do some other stuff.  I told her that she hurt my feelings and I way over-reacted...guess I'm a little sensitive about anyone thinking I spend too much time here.   :oops:   
Anyway, down to business...and yes, I took notes this time!    :lol:

Cathy, DH is lactose intollerant so I know a bit about it.  Look for words like dairy, calcium, and milk (duh) but also whey.  That's the tricky one.

Bec, (((hugs))) to you.  I know what you mean about being at your wit's end.  I'm nervous about tomorrow as DH is back to work and my mom is gone now.  It'll be just the two of us.   :shock:   How will I go to the bathroom or eat?  It'll be like I am teaching again where you can't go to the bathroom for hours at a time.  And they wonder why teachers have a high rate of kidney issues.   :lol:

Nancy, (((hugs))) to you, too.  Give yourself a few days at home to adjust and I'm sure Miss Liv will swing back into routine.  After one trip, it took Ryan nearly a week to get back to normal and that was without any teeth issues.  Good luck!!!

Naomi, ditto what the other girls said about dh.  If it's around, I eat it...as is evidenced by the grotesque amount of Christmas cookies I've consumed over the last 2 weeks!   :?

Janet, welcome.  My full name is Kathleen and I think Kay is a great way to shorten it.   :D

Karen, we give Ryan Cheerios or Puffs when we are out, if it is not time for his meal.  We also give him bits of our food, if appropriate.  It's always funny to see his reaction to spices and sauces.   :lol:  :oops:   The best food we've found is white, sticky rice at Chinese/Japanese places.  It keeps him really busy and it's not bad for him. 

Here is our food life in a nutshell:
8-wake and bf
9-4 Tbsp. oatmeal and 4 oz. fruit
12-bf
1-4 oz. fruit (or yogurt) and 4 oz. veggie and a slice of cheese if no yogurt
4-bf
5:30- 4 Tbsp. oatmeal and 4 oz. veggie, maybe toast or a biter biscuit
7-bf top off
I also give him some Cheerios or puffs when I am getting his food ready or when I am eating.  Just a few, but usually it's at every meal.  No snack yet, except for the 4 o'clock bf.  Must start transitioning to food first for lunch, but it's hard to decide when to do something that seems that major...I know it's not at all, but it's still a bit scary to me.   :?

Had a lovely day today.  Took Ryan and my mom to the zoo as it was in the 50's.  Got there early enough that the Children's Zoo was free!  Hooray!  (Usually $4/person...not that bad, but we don't usually go in).  He LOVED petting the goats and the guinea pigs and seeing the meerkats and hedgehogs up close.  (Don't worry we cleaned his hands after touching the animals!)  Thought of my friends down South when we saw Tree Kangaroos and other exotic animals.   No kookaburras, though.  8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 03, 2006, 03:08:24 am
Thanks for all the hugs and support, ladies! After I posted my huge ranting vent session, I stopped to think, you know, we've only been home 2 days...perhaps she just needs time to adjust. I think I'm just so worn out from the exhausting trip and lack of sleep that I'm over anxious to get back to a regular routine! And now DH is sick...he's been in the bathroom puking all night (sorry, TMI?), so I've got the lone watch on Liv tonight. I've been in there 4 times already in the last hour. The good news is, it's taking less time to settle her each time I go in...only 5 min last time. So, here's to a not-so-grueling night!

I feel really selfish just coming on here and blabbing about my problems without commenting on any of your issues or successes...I'm just too tired to catch up at the moment. Please know I do miss you all and will catch up soon. (Hopefully, you'll realize I'm not always this self-absorbed!)

Well, off to get some sleep. Hitting the hay early tonight as I'm sure it will be a long one.

G'night all...I'll check in tomorrow.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 03, 2006, 03:23:25 am
Wow girls.  So muhc to read about.
Hugs to all of the ladies experiencing sleep issues.  I am a total wreck when that happens.  Actually I just noticed that Sophie has FOUR! teeth coming in up top at the same time.  They have all broken through (WTF..how did that happen)  I was thinking maybe we got through it with nothing big....but we'll see....
The teeth plus the diaper rash could make for an interesting night.  I broke down and used Desitin (zinc) last night and tonight thinking it might help, instead of aquaphor.  It has helped some...but I don't know.  I was reading in "What to Expect..." and they said to call your doc if the rash lasts more than tw -three days...really?  What do you all think...that seems a little alarmist to me... but hey what do I know?

Welcome home to Jo and Cathy and Nancy.  Good to hear a little update about Holly.  Looking forward to having her back. 

Traci...so cool about the marathon.  I ran one also, in 2004.  I was planning for it to be the first of possibly many but I think I am going to have to settle for the half this year.  The training and recovery is just too time consuming for the whole marathon...too much with the lo for now at least.

I cooked a fish recipe out of the Annabvel Karmel book and Sophie really liked it...although now I am wondering if that's the culprit for the diaper rash.

Bec...hugs to you too.  Don't be too hard on yourself...it's hard to "chill out" when your lo is whining in your ear all day long.  I hope it passes soon for you!

Naomi...dh and I have soooo many food issues and we kind of get each other going unfortunately.  I find that we really both make a commitment to eating well and then one of us will have a craving and the other will give in and then all of a sudden I am at the grocery store at 10pm buying ice cream.(So much for the if it's not around we won't eat it theory...we need to move farther away from the grocery store :) )  Ugh.  The hardest part is that I have lost most of my baby weight but he hasn't really lost any of his.  I do agree to talk to him about it in terms of a health issue...and a role modeling issue.  Dh and I are much more cautious when Brendan is around and we know we have to start soon being careful for Sophie's sake.  Also, I think that focusing on getting more excersize...or any kind of movement into your day is probably the best place to put your energies...instead of laboring too much over the food thing as long as the majority of your choices are ok.

Well, it's back to work for me tomorrow...sniff...sniff
 :(   I'll be checking in every chance I get...You know you're addicted when you are saddened more by the fact that you won't be able to check the thread then by the fact that you won't see your lo for hours!! :roll:

Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 03, 2006, 04:46:13 am
Hi Everybody! 
Just finished the last 12 pages.  Must admit DH thinks I got a little too excited when I saw the new thread but it's been great to sit back and catch up with a lot of 'ahhs' and laughs. :D

Micky - can't wait to hear more stories about your sister come Feb. 

Bec - any more camping with Wilnilligopers and Handlehorns on your next vacation?  :wink: Saw King Kong over the holidays and laughed out loud at one part thinking about your previous camping story!

Naomi - Yay Riley!

Welcome back Jo and Hi to you Janet!

Hugs to everyone dealing with the 'clingy baby'.  We've got it bad here too. The vacation was great, much more relaxing than I expected.  My nieces had a few days to settle in with my bro and their step-mom before we arrived and that made a huge difference.  That transition stage can be tough.
For the most part Sol did really well.  Always took an am nap but skipped all the afternoons.  He started night waking on the 3rd night and by the last night it took me almost 2 hours to get him to sleep and he woke at least 3 times that night. 
We got back at midnight Fri. then on Sat. went to an open house, (put in an offer) shopped to re-stock the fridge then I cooked for our NYs guests.  I don't know what I was thinking. I was so tired I fell asleep on our guests before 12.
 
Today was the first day we actually did nothing and I can't believe the change in Sol. He went down for both naps with no fuss and slipped to sleep at 6:30 without a peep.  I think we pushed the poor little pup too far.  I'm just praying it sticks.

Ran out of pre-cooked food and tried feeding some jarred food on the trip.  Lo went on a hunger strike. Yesterday I made a huge pot of Spaghetti Bol and Beef Strogonoff.  He seems to like it.
Thanks for the food ideas.  I feel like I'm getting into a rut and need more ideas.  Cheerios have become a food group in this house.  Now he eats:
Wake up-BF
Breakfast - cereal/fruit
Lunch - veggi/ meat&rice
Snack- bottle
Dinner - veggie/ protein
Bedtime - BF

I'm like Kate? and feed Sol food if we go out even if he's already eaten.  Might become a snacking problem but I think it's good for him to try the foods that I would probably never make.

I want to make potatos with broc&cheese but don;t know if I should mush  it or leave it in chunks for him? 

Ok, my eyes are glazing over. night
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 03, 2006, 04:47:26 am
Welcome to Janet and little Kay - another Canadian joins us!!  I was so happy to hear that your little one has no teeth either yet! I was beginning to feel like an outsider. LOL  :lol:

Becca - So sad you are feeling down. You are totally entitled to feel touchy/stressed/upset/frustrated or just plain sad - I can totally relate - more on that later. Glad that you feel you can come here to lean on us and hope that some virtual {{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}} will make you feel a wee bit better.

Traci/Hayley - We too are struggling with chunkier foods. DH keeps telling me not to give them to her as she just gags and chokes but I know we have to keep trying things or she won't ever want the chunkier stuff!! Then tonight, just to prove a point, she gagged on her rice and proceeded to puke up the green beans she had eaten!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr talk about frustrating!!  :evil:

Naomi - Huge {{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}} for you trying to help your DH with his unhealthy eating habits. It is hard to watch someone who is overweight and know that they are doing bad things to their body but you are helpless to stop it. Just keep healthy snacks in the house and keep yourself and the kids healthy. Maybe he will see it and want to join in?? I have some good Weight Watchers recipes that are for cakes, muffins etc. that are healthy and yet very "treat like" if you are interested?? :roll:

Erin - our food routine (keep in mind we have NO TEETH in the house yet!!)

7 am - bottle - 8 oz. as well as some cereal with fruit mixed in (jarred baby food)
11 am - cereal + 1/2 jar veggies + 1/2 jar fruit (or 1/2 jar more chunkier textured Heinz foods mixed with cereal) + 6 oz bottle
2 pm - same as above, trying to get her to eat more "food" at this feeding and less bottle.
6 pm - same as above + 6 oz bottle
** sometimes will give a Minigo (yoghurt/soft cheese) instead of cereal.

Often after her afternoon nap I will give a "snack" of puffed wheat or cheerios and water, or sometimes a rice rusk (rarely as they have alot of sugar in them) or a Farley's biscuit.

Cathy - was LMAO at your DH's comment about being "babied out"!! Men are such babies arent' they?? Gosh what would we do if they had to stay home every day and do it all like we do???  Also, love the new avatar of Carter - I'm a big fan of black and white pics.

Nancy -  welcome back!! Sorry to hear of your many sleepless nights on your vacation. Poor things! Hopefully being back home Liv will settle back into the old routine. Never feel selfish for just coming on and venting about you and Liv (same goes out to you Jody!!) sometimes you just need a safe place to "talk" and glad we can be it!!  :wink:

OK now our update...Molly is starting daycare tomorrow :cry:  :cry:  :cry:. Aaron and I have both been so cranky and emotional all day today it is unbelievable. I did not anticipate this and am so surprised that it has been affecting me this way. I know the daycare we are putting her in is very good (Mason went there 5 years ago - started when he was 6 months old and went until he was 5) and they still have many of the same staff. I also know that she is such a happy, social little girl that she will thrive on daycare much like Mason did. I think the main thing that is bothering me is that I think this is my last baby and now I feel that the baby stage is over...IFKWIM?? Gosh, I am gulping down tears typing this. Can't really say anything more but will post tomorrow about how she (and us) did. Thanks for listening.   :cry:  :cry:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 03, 2006, 05:23:34 am
hi girls!

Michelle - good luck tomorrow and I'll be thinking of you!  :(

Hannah- Jack has a sensitive bum too.  He often gets a bad diaper rash when he is teething.....tends to have more poops too.  Also, if he is in a poopy diaper for any length of time he'll end up getting a raw bum.  He had a really bad bum once....the ped said to leave him bare bummed as much as possible, use wet towels instead of wipes, let him bum dry thoroughly before using a good barrier cream (zinc based)....especially important to put a thick coat of cream on their bums at night.  If I follow all of these steps his bum usually clears up within a day or two.  If he has a poopy bum we still use the wipes then wipe his bum after with a wet towel to get any residue from the wipe off him. HTH.

Nancy, Bec, Naomi and Jody (and everyone else)....feel free to come and vent on here as much as you want...that's what makes us all such good friends!  :wink:   There is always someone here to listen! And most likely relate!  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 03, 2006, 08:09:06 am
Hi, this will be quick as i'm watching tv about a 2 people who disappeared 4 years ago. I was always interested in the case, just cos it was so sad, NY eve disappearance/murder, and then I found out a friend of mine was very good friends with the girl, they grew up together. So now it seems even more interesting. Terrible awful thing to happen. Anyway......

Hi to everyone who's come back. Michelle, I hope yours and Molly's day goes well tomorrow. I am going back to work in April and I'm sure I'll be going thru just what you are now. I get flittery in my tummy just thinkingn about it. But as you said, I'm sure you will find everything goes fine.

After a few stressful days of Daniel not eating my food finally today we've hada break thru. I tried a recipe from Karen, kumara custard, and he ate it! Yay! Then I thought I'd try some kumara and apple for dinner and while I was getting it ready DH had some cottage cheese on a cracker. Daniel looked interested so we gave him some c-cheese. He liked it. Then I remembered I'd given him some once before, so I mixed his pureed kumara into the cottage cheese. Again success. Phew. I finished off with 2 cubes of apple of which he ate most of that too. So I think it's the texture, he was needing more pureed food again. We had a roast chicken tonight, so I've saved some veges from that. I'll puree them up tomorrow and hope we have more luck again. I also read somewhere that at this age he may like to suck/chew on a slice of roast vege, so we'll try that too.

Thanks for all your comments about food and what your LO are eating. Very interesting. When they have cereal with their veges, are you mixing the two together or having separate? Also, do you just add the powder to the food or make up with formula/milk and then add to veges?

Last food question, what are cherios, and for us kiwi's who can't get them, what other food is similar that I could use as a substitute?

Ok, this was meant to be short. Gotta go now. Bye.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 03, 2006, 13:10:28 pm
hey girls, I wanted to pop in and say hi before I start work today.
Michelle I know what you are talking about. we are still not sure if Riley is the last for us, most probably not, but still, it is hard letting her go each day. I know that she is going to be fine, and is in good hands, but still it just sucks that she is not with me. Good luck with today ( tuesday)...it does get easier each day.
Roz, so nice to see you again.
Janet, welcome to our craziness, it can get real busy around here at times but it is always fun.
Righty ho girls, I need to start my work day here....take care everyone.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 03, 2006, 14:04:12 pm
I am a freakin' zombie today!!!  We had a pretty bad night last night ... well actually I should say I had a pretty bad night last night!  Dh had a sore throat/headache combo so went to bed early and didn't wake up all night  :(   I on the other hand was up 4 times totalling well over 2 hours.  Carter wasn't crying or upset (except the one time where he had peed through his diaper AGAIN and I had to change him while breastfeeding) he was actually PLAYING!!!  WTH???  It's 2:00am and he wants to play ... I don't think so!!  :evil:   To top it off, yesterday was my first day back at the gym in a few months and I was soooo sore last night.  It is even worse today.  I can barely lift my arms.  I always tend to over due it with the weights  :roll:  :oops:

Anyone else's lo peeing through the diaper?  We have tried many different brands (usually stick with Pampers even though DH would rather not shell out the extra money for them).  We even went up a size and it didn't seem to help.  He usually does it atleast once a day (usually night time but sometimes at nap time).  I have a feeling that now that he sleeps on his side it helps the pee to run right out the side and up his back and it is so frustrating!  Also, my other thought is maybe his diapers are too full.  He gets a diaper change before bed at 8:00ish and then not another one until 7:00am and then they are sooo full and heavy.  Maybe it interferes with absorption???  He never has rashes though so I don't think it bothers him to wait that long.  WHo knows??

Traci:  LOL about the stretching at night!  I started doing yoga using his crib railings about a month ago during night wakings.  I agree ... might as well do something while up!!! 

Macaire:  Hope you don't get to much rain and everyone stays safe!

Naomi:  We are horrible for snacking here!!  DH likes to eat potato chips before dinner because he is so hungry.  He also loves McDOnalds, Burger King etc.  Problem is ... HE can handle it!  He's 6ft2in and like 180lbs soaking wet (tall toothpick!!).  I have to try and get him to eat healthy for his body not for weight issues.  I want/need to have him around for a long time!!!  :)

Food issues!!!  Carter actually eats my food better than the jarred food (except for sweet potatoes!!).  He  refuses to eat carrots and squash and peaches out of jars.  Weird!!!

Have a good day everyone!  Here's hoping that tonight is MUCH better than last night and that my poor aching muscles heal quickly!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 03, 2006, 14:57:31 pm
Hello Ladies,

Well, it seems as though things are busy busy around here again!  Aothough I have noticed a lack of Judy yesterday and hope you are feeling OK - STREP, YIKES!!

As for food here, Sophie had lost interest in pureed meals, it is all finger foods here except breakfast.  I am still managing to get a jar of veg in a day which is good.  The problem with finger foods is that it takes her about 9 hours to eat a meal  :roll: !  Our food day yesterday

7AM - Cereal mixed with formula and fruit puree, followed by a 6 oz bottle
11AM - Cheesy penne noodles, roast chicken breast (cut in strips), toast 1/2 jar of squash and 1/2 a banana.  Followed by a 6oz bottle
3PM - 6oz bottle
5PM - egg (cut into strips), toast with cheese, other 1/2 of squash jar, mardarin orange segments and 1/2 banana
7PM 8 oz bottle before bed

We also feed Sophie snacks when we are out.  Suction bottom bowls with cheerios or veggie puffs.  She also tries whatever we are having.  She is getting better at feeding herself anf it doesn't quite take 9 hours but it was so much simpler when I could just shovel it in.  I also have started making things aat the beginning of the week, ie:  made a pot of penne, roast some veggies and roast some chicken breasts to use for the week.  I reheat the noodles in hot water and then use the hot water as a "double boiler" to mix in cheese and milk to make cheesy noodles.  also I have been buying canned fruit in water (mandarin oranges) ect.  I will also cut up fresh fruits days in advance which DH and I snack on too  8) !

As for SA, Sophie has good days and bad days, less bad days now that the teething has slowed down but...

YES BEC it can be so exhausting, namely emotionally.  You get on here and unload all ya want.  PS even your rants are funny and make me giggle! 

When my SIL and MIL came to visit ages ago they brought a walker for my nephew and left it with us.  I had forgotten about it until we moved.  One day Sophie would not let me leave her side, water works and screaming and she didn;t like her exersaucer anymore.  I busted out the walker and she loves it!  It took a few days to learn how to "drive" but now she follows me around when she wants or explores the house, we have no stairs so I don;t have to really watch her in it either.  I try not to put her in it too often so she can keep figuring out the crawling but it sure does come in handy!

DH is back to work today phewww...  Love hime to bits and it was nice having him home but talk about a mess!  Anyone else find this - I have spent the last week cleaning non stop and finally put 2 and 2 together yesterday and told him he was a slob  :shock:  :lol: .

Naomi - I agree that out of site out of mind is a good strategy, I do not buy junk food and it seems to help.  I don't think nagging will work, it never does but a serious sit down objective conversation on the benfits of eating healthy as a family might.  I know how you feel, my DH smokes, ughhhhh!  I am an ex smoker so know how hard it is to quit but hey if I can do it so can he!  I refuse to nag him about it but will say something if he goes around Sophie smelling like smoke ect... I tell him his habits are his but I don't want Sophie smelling like an ashtray and he needs to have a wash and brush his teeth.  The only thing I asked him for for Xmas was for him to quit smoking, hmm didn;t get it but he didn;t smoke at home the last week so that is a huge step.  I have once sat him down and had a 'chat' with him about it.  I told him I wanted Sophie to have her dad to walk her down the aisle and that I needed him to be here for me when we retire, that I want to travel and be active when our kids are grown so we can fun together, not be dead or sickly.  I know, probably laid it on a bit thick but it is how I felt and he didn;t get defensive or anything, he said he understood and would try his hardest to quit.

Hannah  - I don't know what to tell you about the bum rash.  Maybe naked time?  I usually do with Sophie everyday - we did an hour yesterday, waiting to go on the potty but nothing - she loves it though!

Nancy - I am sure Liv will get back into her routine!

I should have taken notes.. I got nuthin' else.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 03, 2006, 16:01:40 pm
Well, it was a long night, but we made it...more on that later.

Michelle--good luck today, let us know how you and Molly do. I'm sure all will be fine.

Cathy--We also had a problem with soaking through diapers at night. I bought the plastic training pants you put over cloth diapers and I put those on her at night. It seems to help. At least I'm not changing her PJs and the sheets in the middle of the night. And she doesn't seem to mind them.

Richelle--I know what you mean about DH being home. Love it, but it is added work!!

OK, so last night Liv was in bed at 7:30. Up at 8:00. I did PU/PD until 8:30, then she went back to sleep. Up again at 10:15, did PU/PD for an hour! and finally gave up. Fixed a bottle, but she only took a couple oz and fell asleep. Up again at 1:00. Just held her to sleep. Only took 10 min. she slept until 4:30...I held to sleep again, this time for only 5 min. She slept until 5:30...figured she was hungry, so gave her a bottle (only ate about 4 oz). Slept till 7:00, held her for 5 min again and she slept until 9:00. And this whole time DH was sick...up most of the night throwing up (again sorry if TMI). So this is a fun household today!!!

I went to bed determined to do PU/PD through the night, but after it took an hour, I knew I couldn't do it by myself. She seems to respond to the holding, and it's gotten better. Used to take her almost an hour to settle. Now she settles in less than 5 min. So, I thought maybe I'll hold her and just decrease the time each time until it's basically a PU/PD. PU/PD just seems to upset her more. Any thoughts on this? I'm still not sure if her waking is due to off-routine, separation anxiety, or just plain over-tiredness from our crazy week and no sleep. I appreciate all insight as I'm almost at the end of my rope!!

Well, better go fix breakfast...have a good one girls!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 03, 2006, 16:57:05 pm
Nancy - ((hugs)) for your nasty night.  You do have to wonder if there's something else going on with Liv with all those wakings.  Here's my thought on the matter - since right now she seems to be going through something, you might want to try just holding her, especially if she's settling so fast.  I would just watch kind of closely to make sure it's not becoming a prop, and if it seems like it is, maybe then try PU/PD.  Not really 100% sure though - she may just need some extra snuggles with all the moving around that you've done the past couple of weeks.  Hopefully, your naps will go OK today and that will help get you back on routine.

Michelle - Hope all goes well for you today - are you back to work too, or are you just getting Molly used to day care?  It amazes me how well Katie has adapted to day care (even though she's only there two days a week) - she gets so excited when I bring her there now and her caregivers are wonderful.  I could deal without the constant colds, but at least you know that's coming your way.  Let us know how it works out.

Judy - Where are you?  Hope you and the girls are feeling ok.

Speaking of missing people, anyone seen Andrea lately? 

Naomi - I would just keep the junk food out of the house.  We are needing to do that too here.  My DH has no restraint when it comes to things like chips - he'll always eat just about the whole bag.  He gained more weight than I did when I was pg, and he hasn't lost it yet, but we're going to try to change that with the new year.

Cathy - sorry about your rough night - but I would still pay money to see you change Carter while nursing.  And good for you for getting to the gym.  That's a place I haven't seen the inside of in WAY too long.

Hayley - glad to hear Daniel is back to eating.

Roz - glad to hear your holidays went well.  Cheerios are a food group here too - for whoever was asking - Cheerios are breakfast cereal - whole grain little "o" shaped things.  I think they're pretty bland, but DH and Katie would eat them all day long - I have no idea what the equivalent would be overseas.  Oooh, putting an offer in on a house, how exciting - keep us up to date on how that goes!

Hannah - hope work goes well for you today.  Katie got three teeth at once a month or so ago - I found it easier as she was still up the same amount for 3 as she was for 1.  I was reading something about how "What to Expect..." is considered by some to be a bit too alarmist about some things - though if it's really bothering her, I might give the ped a call - though they'll probably tell you exactly the same thing that Micky did. 

DH is back to work here too.  I sometimes think that Katie has no separation anxiety issues, and then earlier I put her on the floor of her room and left to go to the bathroom and she got hysterical.  Poor sweetie.  Have a nice day everyone!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 03, 2006, 17:04:10 pm
Hmmm...just noticed we seem to have some sort of sleep moderator explosion on our thread - Kate, Jo - good for you!  Was thinking of offering to help, but I was too chicken to volunteer.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 03, 2006, 19:22:05 pm
Morning, this will just be a quick one, so much to catch up on.

Well I've decided to not feed Danielle in the night anymore.  She slept through 2 nights in a row and then last night woke with her legs stuck through the bars, so I tried to resettle - she wasn't having a bar of it, but I stuck with it (usually I would feed if she got a bit snotty).  Nancy, I decided to not do pu/pd too but holding/rocking then put her into bed and continued to pat in there.  If she got grumpy I'd repeat.  For us it took an hour for her to fully resettle - I actually would go back to bed for 5mins cause she went quiet, but then would let out a little fuss now and again, she never actually cried at all, so I feel that it's just the feeding on waking that I need to conqueur first so not so worried about holding her in the interim.  In the end I got DH to go in and he just patted her back for about a minute and she was off to sleep.  Tonight I'm going to get DH to do it from the get go and see what happens.

Michelle, good luck with today, thinking of you.

Richlle, my house is constant mess too with DH home, he was working last week but is home this week, I'm constantly picking up crap.  :roll:

Hayley, yay for Daniel eating some of your food!

Catch ya later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 03, 2006, 19:36:23 pm
Hi Ladies,

Happy NEw Year everyone!  I am supposed to be doing DH's billing right now but am instead on page. 9 of our chat trying to catch up.  We had our dearest closest friends in from out of town since Friday till last night so no real time to come on here and chat without hurting anyone's feelings KWIM?

Just wanted to say hi and when I have "caught up" I will come back on.

I could really use some of your support, which you all give so well.  Feeling down about the whole routine thing and wondering why I even bother really?   :?  :(
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 03, 2006, 20:02:45 pm
Heya Ladies!  Haven't caught up on the last few pages yet - still reading.

Had a quick question though... For those finding their little people staying awake for 3+hours (Nikki I think you've mentioned Danielle has a longer wake time now)... how do you fit this in with breastfeeds?  We're still doing a 4hour EASY basically... so first thing in the morning the girls wake and bf then solids but they go down for a nap after about 3hrs A time - then they're up in just an hour because it's feed time again... not sure how I'd extent their A time and still get a reasonable nap.  I could try to hold off their eating during the day after they wake but first thing in the morning I'm not up for so much but feeding anyway.

Oh, I'm feeling MUCH better... but YES I will keep taking my antibiotics until it's finished!! :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 03, 2006, 20:47:20 pm
Michelle - I hope today went well!  I too am unsure of whether or not you have gone back to work, so sorry if you have mentioned it  :oops: !

Yes I do notice the Mod explosion!  Well done Kate and Jo. 

Andrea -  I have a couple of questions for you regarding your routine woes:

 :arrow: Was it because of your dear friends visiting?  It is so hard when you are around people with no babies or older kids, epecially if you are on a routine.  People have trouble with the concept that babies aren't accessories, they are actual people.  I do mean that in the nicest way.  I said the other day that I would love to go to a movie and DH said, well let's go, can;t we just bring Sophie, she'll sleep no?  Well, she is not a purse and do I really want to subject her to all that noise and flashing asleep or not?

 :arrow: Do they have kids?  My friends that don;t have kids have, very inadvertently by the way, made me feel really bad sometimes about making sure Sophie has nice, warm secure naps and a consistent day to make her feel safe.  I figure if I don;t sacrifice for Sophie who will and I do take comfort in the fact that Sophie is very happy, as is Taylor - I mean check out that smile...would a sleepy, confused baby smile like that?

 :arrow: Did you have a hard time fitting in all the cheer over the holidays?  Christmas was definately a whole new ball game this year and I did in fact get a little down and stir crazy but then folks stopped by and well, you guys remeber my Juicy Lucy posts!

 :arrow: Are you feeling house bound and by now (8 months later) you are up to your eyeballs with the site of your own house?  It has been a long haul for you and you have put in some very long hours and have committed a lot of time to Taylor in the last 8 + months and have every reason to feel down and out!  Also it is very difficult with a baby to accomplish 1/2 what we used to but imagine if you just schlepped her wherever, you know those moms in the bnk/doctor's office ect.. with the screaming baby?  Well I don't find that getting a few more things done in a day with a screaming baby any easier than trying to maintain a consistent day for Sophie.

 :arrow: Do you have any days for yourself, I mean a full day AWAY form Taylor and DH?  This is sooo important.  The other day all I wanted was to chill out at home by the pool without having to worry ect.. about Sophie so I asked (YES - I always have to ask) and DH took her out for a few hours - it was heaven.  I also have my ex-nanny come around to watch Sophie for an afternoon or DH will do it on a Saturday so I can hve lunch with a girlfriend or get my hair done.  Is there someone who can come baby sit? 

I hope you feel better and know that you have taken a more difficult road and have every reason to feel blue or annoyed!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 03, 2006, 21:53:07 pm
So much to catch up on...first of all, Hannah, about the bum rash, I think "What to expect.." wants you to get it checked out in case it is something else more serious than just a diaper rash. If you're sure then I would not worry. With Sam's bum, I wipe with whatever, sometimes wipes and sometimes a wet towel. I then dry with a hairdryer! :D I have done it since day 1 and have never had problems with bum rash ( doing Kate's anti jinx dance while writing this). The only problem is that we only have one hairdryer and the times I need to use it, Sam is either napping or asleep for the night heve the dreadful hairdos.  :wink:

Hugs to Michelle. Thinking about you and Molly, I would be exactly the same way.

Andrea, everything Hannah said and big <<<HUGS>>> Vent all you want! Know though that Taylor is so happy because of the routine, check out that smile!!!

Judy, Sam has just started staying awake 3.5 hours between nap 1 and 2. I have been giving lunch later rather than immediately after his bottle and that seems to tide him over for an extra half hour to an hour.

Welcome back Roz and keep us posted on the new house. How exciting!

Hayley, YAY for Daniel. You could use carrot, pumpkin in that custard recipe. Maybe I will make it for Sam for dinner...haven't done it in a while!

Nancy, hang in there! We are rooting for you! Sorry about the terible night!

Cathy, I too would pay to see you change Carter while breastfeeding. How did you say you did it again? I just cannot imagine....

Traci and Ankie, nights any better?
Have a great day all!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 03, 2006, 22:52:38 pm
Nikki - good luck with the not feeding at night.  Fingers crossed that you're working  your way towards restful nights!

Andrea - I cannot say it any better than Richelle did, but you do gets lots of ((hugs)) from me.  Just think, they're only this little for such a short amount of time that if the routine works and makes her happy, it's totally worth it.  Maybe Taylor could take a bit of flexibility in her routine at this point?  I find if I get one good nap in Katie during the day, I'm generally ok to mess with the second.

Judy - routine - ok, I know I'm not BFing full time, but I can tell you that we're on sort of a 4.5-5 hour EASY these days at least in the beginning of the day.  Towards the end of the day, I'll often feed before sleep just to get it all in and get the times right.  We're way off because of the holidays right now in terms of waking up time and all, but today Katie got up around 8:00 and BF, I gave her cereal and fruit around 9:15, and she napped from 11-1 (I should have woken her up as it wrecked her afternoon nap, but let her sleep instead).  Lunch was at 1 - I give her a bottle and her lunch at the same time -- if I had woken her up earlier, she would have been ready for another nap around 4:30, so I probably would have given her a bottle before her nap.  Dinner would then be around 6 and bedtime at 8 - our bedtimes and waking up times have crept much later these days because of all the Christmas chaos.  In a nutshell, I either feed her less often than every 4 hours or do EAESA.  Hope that makes sense.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 03, 2006, 23:48:13 pm
well girls, I did read the last 7 pages, but know I can't comment on everyone, but will try:

Jo and Kate-Congrats on the Super Mod titles!  What boards are you moderating?

Michelle and Hannah-how did going back to work and starting daycare go? 

Haley-glad you are having some success with the solids.  I guess persistance is the key right?

Judy-breastfeeds are getting quite tricky here with the Loooong A time.  We try to do something like this:
BF at 7ish when wake for the day
BF at 11ish when wake from 1st nap (first nap is usually only 1 hour)
BF at 4:30ish when wake from 2nd nap but I am actually thinking of trying to BF at 3ish before she goes down for her 2nd nap because I think my milk supply is suffering because of the long stretches in between KWIM?
BF at bed time
so 4 total, but the 2nd and 3rd feedings are definitely hit and miss with how much she'll take.  SOme days not interested AT ALL, some days will eat just fine.   :?

Richelle; thanks so much for caring so much to write out all those thoughts.  I think you are right on several counts:
1. I am just OVER the holidays and so glad they're done, but now the joys of putting all the crap away!  every weekend since thanksgiving it has been NON STOP!
2. I am tired of looking around this house and always seeing something to do  :evil:   It's like no matter how much laundry, dishes cooking you do, there is always MORE!
3. I have my mom and MIL help watch T 3 days a week so I can work on DH's business and Taylor Made, so there quite honestly is not a lot of time in there for me.  Except here, but a lot of the time I feel guilty coming on here during the day when they're here watchign her KWIM?

 :arrow:  :arrow: So the thing that frustrates me with the routine is when I really analyze things Taylor is so friggin inconsistent with her sleeping and her naps I just feel like what is the use and the point???  The longest stretch she will ever go with sleeping through the night is 7 days.  Then it can be anywehre from 2-14 days of night wakings!   :shock:   And her naps!  One day one nap will be great, the next day both naps, the next day none of her naps are longer than 45 minutes!  My gosh I swear I try to be as consistent as possible.  Wathcing her and the clock.  Winding down.  Making the room dark, etc., etc.  But still all this damn inconisistency!  It's like each day is a guessing game as to waht she will do!  When I look back, months 3-5 were the best.  Since then it's a crap shoot. 
She has slept through for the last 2 nights after 11 days of night wakings!  I guess I have to be thankful for small blessings.   :roll:

On top of all this, I am missing my old job pretty bad.  I can't tell you guys how much I loved my old job.  And now I just feel so blah and well, just blah!  Today I did my hair and am going to put a little makeup on so I can feel somewhat like a girl. 
Richelle, do you ever miss your job???

Sorry girls for the long vent.  Tehre is a lot more that has gone in with T's development lately, so will post that exciting news later, but for now will say TTFN!

thanks for listening!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 00:21:12 am
BTW, the thing that got me on the rant about me upholdign her routine so nicely and it still turning into crap was that on NY day we went to my parents house for dinner with screaming toddlers, tons of aunts/uncles wanting to hold her and just about absolute chaos going on.  We get her home, quickly feed her and then have MIL put pj's on so we can scoot to the movies to see Memoirs of a Geisha (very good BTW).  As we are leaving, MIL takes her out to teh den where lights are bright and TV is blaring the game that Grandpa is watching :shock:  It is already almost 8pm!  I say it's time to go to bed and we take off.  MIL tells me when we got home that she rocked her to sleep  :x  Well, she ended up sleepign through the night which was the first time in 11 days!  WTF!?!?!

Then yesterday back to moms so we can take dear friends to the airport and mom keeps her up 4 hours  :shock:  and she takes a 2 hour 45 minute nap!  WTF?  She NEVER sleeps that long when she is at home in all the ideal surroundings with her comfy crib and warm blankie.  But at grandma's house where she has never slept in the porta crib!?!?!?!  DH and I both started wondering why we even bother!

BEc-I am really feelign very similar to you and wondering if it has anything to do with PPD???
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 04, 2006, 00:33:50 am
Ok let's see what I can remember of what I wanted to comment on ;)

Hannah - diaper rash... I wouldn't worry too much if it isn't gone in 3 days but I'd take a close look at it.  If it's really bright red and not improving then it's quite likely a yeast rash and not going to budge on it's own.  Zoe never had a diaper rash before going to a sitter at 11months.  The sitter didn't change her as frequently as I had AND fed her food with really HOT peppers in it - which the child LOVED but man, her poor bum was RAW... I mean RAW.  I had to tell the sitter to lay off the spicy food :(  Now Sarah, at about 11 months too, we went to my brother's wedding and the day we left she had a red bum.  Well we'd dealt with them before and they always cleared right away.  We couldn't budge the thing.  Went to the dr - yeast, got some cream from him by script.  Used the whole bottle and it cleared all but 1 or 2 tiny satellites (look like little teeny tiny pimples) then it flaired up again.  It was well over a month before the darn thing was gone for GOOD!  Poor kid - although she never seemed bothered by it.  K&H - Kaia had a tiny satellite there after a couple days with Huggies diapers (hate those things and threw out the rest of the box!!) so the dr. gave us a script and it basically cleared but every night when she gets in the bath she scratches and scratches till she gets as red as can be from the scratching (but all day it looks like normal ol' skin)... can't see to completely help her out there. 

Michelle {{hugs}} hope your day went well.  Going back just sucks doesn't it?!!

Andrea.  Ok, want my take?  NO?  ok that's fine.  Let me know if you change your mind!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 04, 2006, 00:45:27 am
:P   Had to get you laughing!! :P

Ok.  I think the EASY routine is really important when babies are young and learning to go to sleep and learning what their day/life is all about.  Some kids thrive on routine for years and years to come and some don't.  I think it's ok to relax and roll with things a bit - especially if you have a happy easy going child.  Routine can mean many things - Up for 2.25hrs then sleep for 1.5hrs then bottle, wait 27min then give cereal and veg etc. etc. etc..  OR it could be that we eat when we get up and when we're tired of playing we go to sleep.  Similar to bedtime routines - I think everyone here likely has a different one, me?  My bed/sleep routine is this:  We walk to the bedroom, I put the girls in their sleep bags and say "time for sleep" and lay them down and leave the room.  With other children around I don't have the time (or desire) to have a lengthy wind down, singing and such.  (I say desire because when it was only Zoe that was my whole gig too - and it worked so why change it)  Zoe likes more routine for bed now - she likes her "B's" - breakfast (cereal snack she calls breakfast), books, bathroom, bed.  But some nights we read on the couch, sometimes in their room, sometimes she passes out on the couch before we get to any of it, sometimes we do it all up and she still won't settle down.

Anyway.  My point?  I have no idea what it is anymore ;)

The long wake time at your mom's - Taylor may not handle such long wake time at home day after day because it is draining... but some children can handle it once in a while, especially somewhere different that is interesting enough to keep their attention and keep them from noticing how tired they are... and then with all the irregular stimulation she passed out and had a great nap.  I don't think that seems odd at all. 

If it's any help, naps are as up and down here too.  Somedays we get two 30min naps, other days we'll get 2hrs am and 2hrs pm.  I cannot figure out the difference from one day to the next and to be honest I don't want to have to worry *that* much about it.  I just try to not be bothered when they wake after a short nap - which is hard because each time I put them down I walk away hoping for 1.5-2hrs and it can be frustrating not to get that.

Gotta scoot - bedtime.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 04, 2006, 00:55:17 am
Andrea - I think Taylor doing so well out of her surroundings is b/c of all your consistency.  Like Erin said I'm sure Taylor could handle changing it up nowadays and maybe this is just her way of letting you know  :wink: !   I do miss my job some days but then I get calls from the staff all the time bitching and telling me they miss me and asking if I can fix things for them.  I try to do the best that I can but am really trying to completely phase out.  it was very taxing and what I do miss sometimes is the mayhem!  I don;t think that I have been finished long enough to truly miss it yet, to be honest but I am sure that I will!

Nikki - I know that once I decided to stop feeding Sophie at 4AM she followed along after a few days, fingers crossed.

Judy - I wake Sophie up in the AM after an hour and after an 1.5 hours in the PM or I will not get 12ish hours at night, between that and feeding her solids and a bottle in the same sitting, it seems to fit in. HTH
 
I got a pile of Xmas cards today from; Bec, Hayley, Naomi, Erin, Holly,  and Macaire.

They are great, way to keep the Holiday season alive!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 04, 2006, 01:13:37 am
okay, I got lisa's cards the other day and then today, I got a card from karen and another from jo.
Jo, I have to say I was very touched at the memo you put into the card, it was meant for a group yet it was so personal at the same time.
It gave me a nice perk after my crap day at work when the computer system could do nothing right.
Well, I am off to get the kids bags ready for tomorrow..
OH!!!! michelle and hannah, how did your girls and you all today????
Andrea, nice to know everything is okay....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 04, 2006, 01:15:28 am
I know I'm a little far behind with my response. I had to leave in the middle so I'm just finishing it now.
Hayley - So glad Daniel is eating your food.  Makes yoy feel like it's worth all the effort. 

Naomi - I'm always so impressed you make time to post.  You must be so busy but still keep us updated and say hi.  Go working Moms!

Cathy {{Hugs}} on your crappy night Sol peed on me this morning actually. My Mum advised me to always point Sol down when changing his diaper when he was 3 weeks old.  I found it amazingly funny yet do it everytime.

Richelle - Thanks for the great food ideas.  Have you had any accidents with naked time?  Sol loves it too but I worry about smears and if he's too cold.  Got to get over the B- Fluids thing.

Nancy - now that's a hard night.  My thoughts are that  if holding Olivia is whats working for her keep it up.  She may just need a little extra and time to get back on track.
I agree there has been a change in the force with a lot of these lo's.  Sol's night sleeps have gotten a bit better and the naps are messed up.  He goes down ok but only sleeps for 15 - 20 mins.  Oh cranky, cranky baby.

Now I have to go back a read what I've missed.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 01:15:54 am
Boy, I go out of the house for 5hrs and come back to all these posts!  :wink:

Judy, this is the way our day works now on longer activity (of course she's never doing the same thing everyday because nap lengths and morning wake up vary).

6-7am wake and BF
8-8.30am breakfast (more when I can be bothered  :oops: )
9.30 am nap (45mins) - I wake her from this otherwise we're trapped in the house too much with trying to get her 2nd nap kwim?
11-11.30am BF (I actually forgot to offer it yesterday!  :shock: )
12-12.30pm lunch
1-1.30pm nap (this is getting a bit tricky since she's lengthening A time) - will be anywhere between 45m-1.5hr
2.30-3.30pm BF
5pm dinner
6.45pm Bf
7pm bed

We're all over the place though, it's all quite flexi here, I'll feed her earlier if I want to leave the house, or late if we're out - with solids in there she never gets to the point of starving anyway, so I'm happy as long as I get 4 BFs in and 3 solid meals.

Thanks for the encouragement for working on our night waking - I think we'll manage to crack it fairly easily.  I know she uses me to recalm down in the night, so I just need to break that association and then hopefully she'll give up waking up at that time?! :P
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 01:47:03 am
Hey Girls,

I have read but not taken notes and you know my memory is :roll:

Hugs to Andrea ( I hear you on the naps!), Nancy and Cathy ( I hear you on the night wakings!), Michelle and Molly-hope it went okay.

Micky-sounds like Jack is okay now?

Nikki-good luck with your nights.

Judy-i just tried writing out my day but it is all over the place.  I THINK I've figured him out...maybe. more on this below.

Our night...hmmmm, not sure i remember it now.  I caved and held his hand to sleep as we had company over and I wanted to have fun.  Down at 6:50.  Woke at 10:00, DH resettled, woke at 12:10, I resettled, woke at 3:00 and held him to sleep (fell asleep in glider until 4), woke at 5:45, wouldn't resettle, even after feed.  I THINK if I fed him at 3 he would have gone straight through.  As much as I don't want to feed him in the night...our wakings seems to be worse without.

Our day was a rollercoaster.  After early waking I put him down 3 hours later for nap 1.  It was 40 min. long. Woke just as I sat down to coffee and UP :evil:  Attempted to put him down 3.25 hours after that which was 12:45 for nap 2.  Kind of early...but figured A time is long enough.  Well, he fought me and fought me and started playing and chewing his crib rail and well, I gave up.  Came outside for 15-20 minutes and went back in at 1:45.  He went down like a charm and I WOKE HIM AFTER TWO HOURS.  WTF???  Andrea, that WTF was for you!  Keep him up over 4 hours and get a good nap!  Anyway, what I failed to mention was my midday meltdown-when we came out of the room after giving up on nap I was bawling.  So hard with DH back at work after having him here (even though it was only a few extra days).  I felt like such a failure, especially after having such good naps yesterday.

Anyhoo, my take is that he needs naps at 9:30 and 1:30 now ( or thereabouts) regardless of waking.  sooooooooo I'm going to try that for a bit.

Went down tonight at 7:05 after 12 min. of PUPD.  i must be consistent, i must be consistent, do not give up, do not give up okay, just trying to psyche myself up for the night.

okay girls, you thought you missed me already.  DH starts his coursework for his CMA tonight.  soooo, I'm getting the boot in 15 minutes.  My &^%$^& connection was down all day. Boy-did I need you girls at around 1:30 this afternoon.  I was just so upset and not feeling very good about myself as a mommy :oops:  :cry:

alright-long enough.  I'm feeling better obviously after the two hour nap :P
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 04, 2006, 01:49:16 am
Hello, another busy day here I see.

Nikki - when we were trying to get Daniel to sleep thru once I had decided to stop feeding at night, DH was the magic ingredient. It took 5 nights of him getting up to him and then a couple of me and then mostly Daniel slept thru. Before that, if I had gone to him he wouldn't settle without a feed. DH going to him he was fine, settle within 5-10 mins.

Andrea - hang in there. I agreee with the others, you can probably be a little flexi in your routine now and it won't matter. Personally I've noticed with Daniel that since he's been going down for naps at approx the same time each day his naps have become more consistent. Also the longer awake time has helped huge amounts.

For anyone interested his routine is now like this:

6.20am wake
6.45am get him out of cot
7.o0am breakfast (solids)
8.30am bottle (220mls)
9.30am nap #1
11.00am wake
11.45 lunch (trying to stretch to 12noon)
1pm bottle (220mls)
2.30pm nap #2
4.00pm wake
4.30pm dinner (trying to stretch to 5pm)
6.45pm bottle (280mls)
7.pm sleep for night

Although Daniel's not waking as such at night he is calling out a few times. Sometimes I can leave him a couple of minutes and he stops and carries on sleeping, other times I go in to find him at the bottom of the cot facing sideways, so I just pull him up to the right position and he's fine. This is often the case at 5am, but in the past he would wake and stay awake, now it's reposition and he's back to sleep. yay!

So as you can see, quite different from most of you as his solid is before food and he's only on 3 bottles a day.

I jinxed myself a little saying last night that he ate all my food, today at lunch time although he ate it, there were tears and rubbing his face for most of it. In sahying that he ate about 4 tblspn of veges and chicken, 6 big tspns yoghurt and 2 tblspn approx of yesterdays kumara custard! Not at all interested in veges for finger food though. Oh well, he'll get there I guess. You don't see many 2 year olds eating purees and being totally spoon fed (do you???)

Karen, your hairdryer idea cracked me up. I just can't imagine it.  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 04, 2006, 01:58:03 am
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The long wake time at your mom's - Taylor may not handle such long wake time at home day after day because it is draining... but some children can handle it once in a while, especially somewhere different that is interesting enough to keep their attention and keep them from noticing how tired they are... and then with all the irregular stimulation she passed out and had a great nap. I don't think that seems odd at all.

I totally agree - we get exactly the same thing here with Katie when we are out for the day and life is WAY too interesting to nap.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 04, 2006, 02:05:11 am
Judy,

I think this is great advice that I will print off and read to myself when I need a boost!

"I think the EASY routine is really important when babies are young and learning to go to sleep and learning what their day/life is all about. Some kids thrive on routine for years and years to come and some don't. I think it's ok to relax and roll with things a bit - especially if you have a happy easy going child. Routine can mean many things - Up for 2.25hrs then sleep for 1.5hrs then bottle, wait 27min then give cereal and veg etc. etc. etc.. OR it could be that we eat when we get up and when we're tired of playing we go to sleep."

Many thanks,
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 04, 2006, 02:11:20 am
Hey!  You all get good points for noticing the Mod thing.  I volunteered to help with the Getting Back on Track forum.  Really, I think one of the  least traffic-ed (no clue how to spell that!) so it'll be a good way to see if moderating is a good fit for me.  Dh wanted to know how much it paid.   :roll:  :lol:

Big (((hugs))) to you, Andrea.  I know what you mean about the routine.  It can be constricting and SO frustrating when others have success and you're sitting there like, "WTF is all this hard work for anyhow?"   :cry:   Maybe we all have a bit of post-holiday depression.  I think I built it up in my head as this fabulous event...Ryan's first Christmas, snowflakes gently falling on our heads, carrollers strolling by, etc. etc. and then it was actually mostly like a regular day, except with more rushing around, stress, and FOOD!   :roll:   Glad to be done with it and a bit disappointed is where I'm at right now. 
How'd it go, Michelle and Hannah?  Fingers crossed for good reports!
Karen, thought of you when I was cleaning up Ryan's bum today.  I bet Sam loves the hairdryer.   :D
Big (((hugs))) to you, too, Traci.  I think we had the same boy today.  More on that below.  And, then, to have a crappy connection on top of it.   :roll:   Good luck tonight...you are doing GREAT!!!
Good luck to you too, Nikki...although you've probably already finished with your night, eh?  Did I tell you that on my new cell phone I can see the time all over the world?  When I got it, I was telling dh, "It's 2 in the morning where Jo and Bec are." etc.   Then, I proceeded to go across the world telling him the time where all my BW babes are located.  :lol:
Judy, you did get me laughing.   :lol:   Glad to see you're feeling better!

Ryan had a big (too big!) 2 hour nap this am and then decided he didn't want to go to sleep in the pm.   :?  I tried for an hour and a half and then about gave up.  I had even bf'ed him  :oops:  and nuttin'!  So, I got him in his coat and put him in the car and drove around for 25 minuted until he finally fell asleep.  I had brought my book (thanks for the tip, Micky and Nancy!) and when I got home, I started reading and he woke up after about 25 minutes of total sleep.   :?   (I didn't have enough gas to keep driving.)  But, he did okay, if a bit groggy and was actually WAY excited after bath and dinner and Daddy coming home.  He fussed a bit going to bed, but was asleep by 7:30.  Hopefully he'll be too tired to wake up tonight, but we all know how that goes.   :roll:   I think I'll wake him up after an hour in the am for the next week or so and see how it goes.  Seems to work for a lot of you.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 04, 2006, 02:22:49 am
Now I notice everyone commenting on Diaper rash still , and it made me want to ask this silly question- can you just be "putting off" a diaper rash?
As you know the girls had the flu over the holidays and the one thing the ped. said was to bring them in if they develope a diaper rash- could be the flu turned BAD!! well about 6 days after the flu had left the Thomas house, both my babes got the rash... but it is there sometimes and gone others??? I lather up vasoline and penaten before bed time, and the rash seems non existant in the morning, but throughout the day, it seems to be there... not too too bad, so we havent went in to the doc. Can we just be putting a band-aid on it and not getting rid of it??

Solids are going good with the girls, they want EVERYTHING I have and it is getting annoying. Sean and I cannot even sit at the table without them litterally climbing all over your legs...I can't give them enough of what we have! Please tell me that this stops??

our day goes like this, and is usually pretty the same even with our daily outings:

645-720 wake
730:bottle (6oz)
8: cereal, cream of wheat porridge, banana bread, pancakes, hashbrowns, toast, whatever we have as a family (one per day might I note)
915 nap (usually an hour and 15 mins)
1130-12ish: sippy cup with HOMO milk and lunch = pasta, bananas, 8 month jarred food, tuna sandwiches (again whatever we are eating)
2pm nap (usually 1.5 hours)
330-4pm ish: bottle (or sippy cup depends on their actions)
5-530 : whatever we're havng for supper or jarred food
7 bath and bed

.....

Today however was a day from Hell and I would like to just cut my head off with all the crying here...
Sean worked a night shift, so he came home, helped me feed and then went to sleep for a few hours...
I am not kidding, the girls were unhappy ALL DAY! I have ne clue whats up. Maisie has 3 1 hour naps, Makaylee had 1 half hour nap ( unlike her) and they were clingy and upset and b!tchy. When Sean got up I went right upstairs to lay down but my heart kept racing like it was going to explode- all I could hear was the babies. I started to cry and never even napped. I came downstairs, got a glass of water and went upstairs to shower... crying still in the shower. Then Sean left for work again, and the girls- well cried all night, through bath too. I put them to bed an hour early because I couldn't stand the crying anymore. I feel awful at how mad I was at them and how I just didn't even want to look at them. My Sean was sooo sweet and clean the whole kitchen and living room while I was upstairs... He never once made me fell like a bad mom, but I cant help but feel like my girls will remember how much I didnt want to be near them today... I am sorry for venting, but I just have never really had a day like this- I dont know why they were upset, and I am not used to having really fussy babies, I just didnt know how to feel, or deal with them.

sorry , jody
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 02:24:40 am
I forgot the mention that now that i've nearly sorted out A times before naps 1 and 2 I'm still struggling on A time for bed.  I think tonight was too long.  I aimed for 7pm bed, giving me 3:15 A and it ended up at 3:20A.  We had a waking at 45min and just now at 2 hours so I think he was overtired.  It's just so hard to read his cues that I have to watch the clock more than I'd like.  If I go into his room at any time of day and it's dark in there he starts to rub his eyes :roll:  It's like he's conditioned to feel that way upon entering it!  so tomorrow night I'll aim for 3:00 or even a touch earlier so that he settles by 3:00.

thanks for the hugs Kate.  even though I feel better, i still like the cyber hugs.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 02:27:51 am
I have to brag on myself: I did so well today considering the lack  of sleep and a sick LO and DH. Liv seems to be feeling much better and so we played and I even took her grocery shopping with me. (DH was too sick to watch her.) She seemed to enjoy it and had a short nap in the car on the way home. Everything was groovy...until bedtime. I was all geared up to do the whole thing myself as DH is a little better, but still weak and weary. Well, bath went well, and I wrestled her into her PJs and got ready to give her bottle and she flat-out refused! Then she proceeded to go into this cuddle-fighting cycle. She'd try to cuddle up against me and suck her thumb, then she'd flail around and scream. I knew she just couldn't settle, but I had NO IDEA how to help her...so that was it. I had had it. I put her in her crib and had to go get DH off the couch. I was in tears, so he went in and held her. He said she fought him for about a minute or two then fell asleep in his arms. We'll see how long she stays asleep. TRACI--when I read your post about your afternoon, I could totally relate! I think we're all suffering a bit of post-holiday stress syndrome or something! I'm just so glad to have all of you!!! When I get frustrated or overwhelmed, this is the first place I come (and I have 2 best friends who have children, but neither have done BW!). It makes me feel normal again to realize there are other women out there going through the same things and feeling the same feelings. I don't feel like a horrible mother. I'm sorry you guys have to go through it all, to, but I'm glad we're in it together!!! (OK, enough sappiness!)

Erin, Nikki & Karen--thanks for the support and advice. We'll see how tonight goes, but I'm planning to just hold to sleep as long as it keeps working for us.

Andrea--I also started questioning the whole routine bit over the holidays. I felt like we had worked so hard for months and it was all shot to he!! in less than a week! I guess it's a little early to feel that way, since the holidays have only technically been over for a couple of days! So, I completely understand how you feel. Just so you know, I was reading BWSAYP again the other day and Tracy said the biggest thing for babies 7-9 months is that the routine is basically a guessing game. Each day is different and it's important to just go with the flow at that point. If you have that book, you might read that part again (I think it was in the emotions section for 7-9 month olds.) I know it helped me realize that what Liv is going through is normal...and she's not just some freak that has been royally screwed up by my routine!

Judy--thanks for your advice to Andrea...it's a good reminder to me as well.

Kate--glad the book idea helped.

Well, I hear her fussing...that didn't last long. It's going to be a long night....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 02:28:42 am
big hugs Jody.  i was a mess today too...and that was just with a happy baby that wouldn't nap.  That's the one good thing I have going for me.  No matter how little Cole seems to sleep he's always in a good mood.

I have no idea what I would do if I was tired or sick and had a fussy (OR TWO) baby to deal with.

just saw you give HOMO milk...was thinking of trying it with Cole as he won't take formula.  Did your ped okay it?  Mine said 12 months...thanks
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 04, 2006, 02:35:42 am
Hey Traci, the girls are usually really happy, even when they don't nap well... so I am really wondering now about that diaper rash, and if I should take them in to the Ped tommorow??? Makaylee is now letting out some fuss too in bed? Chalk another night up to no sleep!
Yah our Ped also said he felt the girls would thrive on HOMO milk because they eat so much table food, and meat.  They drink it cold out of a sippy cup, I wont put it in a bottle... might have to in a few weeks if I can't wean them from the bottle in the moring. (gonna save the thomas daddy big $$$ goin to milk!)He recommended giving them POLY-VI-SOL a vitamin for children under 3 yrs. I just put it in their sippy cup with some a little sip of sweet juice, and down she goes!

I am just floored though why my girls were so "off" today. Maybe they sensed me being upset too. You know how kids feed off of that.

jody
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 04, 2006, 02:53:51 am
Hi all. Thanks for all the hugs and well wishes. I was feeling very down and alone yesterday. Feeling like I was being selfish for wanting to go back to work early and for "forcing" my child to go to daycare. She did amazingly well today though. The caregivers kept saying what a happy baby she is and she never made a fuss at all, even though she did only sleep for a half hour nap all day!! We picked her up at 3 pm and she did sleep all the way home in the car (about 20 minute drive) then we put her in her crib and she fell back asleep until we woke her at 4:45 pm for dinner!! Poor little thing was just exhausted. I'm sure she will get into better napping once she gets used to the environment and the kids etc. I am curious to see how her night goes tonight though...will keep everyone posted.

I haven't started back to work yet, I go back January 11th. I started Molly in daycare a bit early to get both of us prepared and Mason is off on Christmas Break until the 9th so I wanted to just have some time alone with him.

Hannah - how did your first day back at work go??

Andrea - Huge {{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}} for you!! Sounds like you are having such challenging times with Taylor. Sometimes I too wonder why I bother with all the fuss of worrying about naps and such. I find when I just let things go and don't worry so much, don't watch the clock and don't write every little thing down, things go so much better.  I find that I am way more relaxed and Molly eats and sleeps better when I am not trying to be so strict. Our days are different from day to day as well. Sometimes we get good long naps morning and afternoon, other days we get 4 - 45 minute naps!! Oh well. At least she is happy and healthy!!

Nancy - poor you and poor Olivia! If holding her to sleep helps to calm her down and keeps you calm as well, go for it. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. She may just need that extra snuggle time with Mom after the holidays and they are only young once. Take those hugs and cuddles when you can get them!!

Karen - LMAO at you holding the hairdryer to little Sam's bum. Too funny!  Am picturing him at elementary school standing with his bum pointed at the little wall dryer...heeheehee!!   :lol:

Judy - love your sleep routine, same as mine!! I just put Molly in her grobag and say "nighty-night sweetheart, I love you" and put her down and give her the soother and away I go!! We tried the whole "wind down routine" at about 4 months old and she would just put up such a stink I gave it up.   :roll:

Traci - {{{{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}}}} to you on your bad day today. It is so frustrating isn't it?? Never doubt your skills as a mommy though, you definitely have more patience than a ton of people I know! It is not bad to want the best for your little man and you are trying to help him so that he can be a happy healthy little boy. Sending you consistency vibes ... keep at it!!

Jody - you get double {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}  cause of the twins!! You poor thing. I definitely think all of us (babes included) are suffering "lunch box letdown". The post holiday blues. We build up the holidays so much, it is such a frantic time of running around, trying to see everyone, trying to do everything and then all of a sudden WHAMMO!!! Things are supposed to return to normal. I think it is such a hard time on kids (even Mason has been complaining how tired he is and he NEVER admits he is tired!) and it takes them a long time to get back into the normal swing of things. Hang in there, things will turn around and you will have your angels back in no time. Also, do you remember your parents from when you were that age?? I sure don't. Rest assured the girls will not remember 1 day out of a million that you did not feel like being a Mommy. They will remember all the love and support and hugs and cuddles you give them all the other days!!  :lol:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 04, 2006, 03:11:58 am
(((Hugs))), Jody!  We are all having a rough go of it this week.  (I swear, this is like Junior High all over again when all the girls get their periods at the same time!   :lol:  8)   )  Ditto what Michelle said (we can call you Sage Jr. after our dear Ankie!)...the girls won't remember, but I KWYM about worrying about that.  Here's hoping for a restorative night of sleep and a fabulous day tomorrow!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 03:12:30 am
Kate, maybe your phone clock is out by 12hrs?  It's 4pm here now, I'll go back in a sec and see the difference in our two posts.

Hayley, thanks for the comment about DH's - I've def got Simon on board, so hopefully we can get through this quickly.

Big hugs to those that need them, just when we think things smooth out there are always spanners that get thrown in there.  :cry:

Michelle, glad to hear that Molly did well! :)

Sorry, I haven't commented on more, I'm down on internet hours until tomorrow and I'm only on dial up so had to make this quick!  I'll be back tomorrow.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 04, 2006, 03:15:53 am
Thanks for the encouragement Michelle, I just think about Makaylee looking up at me crying like "why wont you just carry me around all day mommy?" then looking at the other leg and Maisie looking at me going "yah mommy just pick us up"  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: Breaks my heart....
Spied on your reply to Judy too  :oops:  (sorry) about the wind down for naps, I do the same thing as both of you... it's almost now like "okay cut the crap, go have a nap".. they will listen to a story still somedays though...
Hope your night goes well, congrats on Molly's first big day at daycare! I cant remember are you going back full time on the 11th or p/t?

jody
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 04, 2006, 03:27:48 am
Thanks Kate, must have posted at the same time! I sure hope tonight.. ahh heck Im not going to jinx it...
But it is nice to know we are all somewhat in the same boat...
I think Im going to go drown my sorrows in some Oprah. (got the 20th anniversary DVD for Christmas... EXCELLENT!! Oprah- pure Oprah. only the good stuff, no crap, no commercials, and Dr. Phil in the early days with BADDDDD teeth (no more hair then though))

he he he

jods
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 04:29:01 am
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I feel awful at how mad I was at them and how I just didn't even want to look at them.
Jody-OMG that was me the other day!  I got so mad I just couldn't even deal with myself.  I felt so sad afterwards for being upset with her.  I hope you knwo that you are in NO WAY alone in feeling like this.  I think we are all going through a rough time right now and I for one am thankful I have others to share my feelings with.

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Tracy said the biggest thing for babies 7-9 months is that the routine is basically a guessing game. Each day is different and it's important to just go with the flow at that point.
Nancy-thanks for pointing this out because I did not remember this at all.  I will go back and read through this section and hopefully get a pick me up!  :)

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(I swear, this is like Junior High all over again when all the girls get their periods at the same time!   )
That is hilarious Kate!

BTW, Naomi, tahnsk for checking in on Storm Watch 2006 here in Southern California!  I swear you know you live in LaLa Land when it rains a bit and our local news makes a huge dramatic production about it!  The rest of the country must think we are a bunch of sissies!!!  Thanks for the concern though adn we are doing well. 
Regarding DH and the food, do you think he would notice if you threw all the junk food out and said it was your new years resolution?  Then maybe he'd catch on and want to join you?

Judy, thanks for the words of wisdom.  When you first posted and asked if I wanted your take on the matter, and then ended your post, I was like "NO, COME BACK!!!  I DO WANT YOUR TAKE ON THE MATTER!"  You crack me up!   :lol:   How are you feeling btw?

Diaper Rash-how about A&D ZINC OXIDE cream?  It works wonders for miss T.

And Taylor also takes PoliViSol since she was 6 months old.  I started giving it to her in her cereal but she gagged on it.  Now I just give it to her in one fell shot and she sucks it down.   :lol:

 :arrow: So Bad Mommy confession.  For all my bitching and whining, I failed to mention that my little girl has learned 3 things in the last week:
1. to sit herself up on her own
2. to crawl for real (no commando crawling anymore)
3. to pull herself up to a standing position
Yay for Taylor, the little $hit!  Just Kidding of course!  I love her to pieces even when she kills me!   :lol:  :lol:

Michelle, glad daycare went well.  I think you did the right thing by starting her a little early to get her adjusted.  What do you do for a living?

Traci-GOOOOOOD Luck tonight!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 04, 2006, 06:09:14 am
hi girls!!

Andrea: Yeah for Taylor!!  So many new milestones!!  :shock:

Jody: Don't beat yourself up over feeling like a bad mommy!  We have all been there!!!!!!!  And I (I better not speak for everyone) have definitely had those days where I just want to lock myself in the bathroom with the fan on so that I don't have to listen, entertain, feed, change, etc....anything to do with Jack.  And pretend I'm at the spa....ahhhh.....how I can dream.... :roll:  (insert heavy sigh emoticon)  We need to meet up just so that we can feel "adult-ish" again!  :wink:  :D

Roz: I kept meaning to ask if Sol is bathing again yet?? (insert holding nose emoticon if he's not!  :lol:  :wink: )

Traci: good luck tonight...and yeah...Jack is doing better!  Thanks for asking.  I think it was his reflux that caused him to start crying which in turn caused him to puke.....it was his "in pain" cry....i just didn't put two and two together.  His puke in the airport was more like "BLAHHH.....oops where did that come from" kindof puke.  If I'm not posting it's because I don't want to jinx myself!  :wink:   I'm on this darn board a million times a day trying to keep up and also (who am I kidding  :roll: ) to see if anyone else has posted!  :lol:

I had to post a couple pics of us in California....one is of Jack at his early one year luau and the other is of us at the beach dipping his feet in the ocean!  :D
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/mickymuscles/107_0710.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/mickymuscles/107_0733.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 04, 2006, 07:08:40 am
Micky those photos are sooooooo cute! I love the luau one.

Jody, it must be doubly hard having 2 unhappy babies, it's hard enough with 1 every so often. So you have every right to feel unhappy, grumpy or whatever you need to feel to help you get thru it. Just come on here to vent and hopefully that will help.

Kate, I love the high school comment. Funny thing I was talking to a friend thismorning and she was saying how her LO was a bit 'off' for the last couple of days. I said Daniel was the same, so maybe there's just something in the air right now. And maybe it's an international thing!  :wink:

Andrea, that's great news on what Taylor's been up to. Does anyone else notice how much they are learning/changing/developing at the moment?? All just happening so fast.

Traci good to hear Cole's awake time is nearly sorted. I'm sure you'll figure out the night time sleep soon. FWIW, we generally put Daniel down at the same time even though he's now awake for a shorter period in the afternoon since his nap changed. Does that make sense? He used to be awake from 2.30pm - 7pm. Now due to not having his afternoon nap until 2.30 - 4pm He's only awake 4pm - 7pm. It hasn't changed his night sleep at all. Sometimes just takes a little longer for him to wind down in his cot. He just rolls and sucks his sheets!  :D

Ok, another food question for you all, does anyone else have a LO who cries at the end of eating?? :? At breakfast he will just shake his head, but mostly when he's had enough lunch and dinner he'll shake his head then immediately starting crying like he's really upset. tonight after eating a reasonable amount of my cooking (yay) he cried lots, I went off to get his facecloth and he sort of quietened down, so I tried him on some nectarine and he liked it and kept eating. Then he ate 1/2 a tin of custard. So he was still hungry/happy to eat, but was crying. It's so strange.

Sorry to be writing so much lately, just having food issues and you girls are soooo helpful you're the best people I can turn to. Thank you.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 07:19:06 am
Micky, love the pics.

Andrea, yay on Taylor's achievements!

Hayley, I've found the same with later naps and bedtime - bedtime's still the same.  Do you offer water when he cries?  I know the few times that Danielle's done that it's been because she's thirsty.  Maybe he could just have had enough of that type of flavour/food etc and the fruit is more refreshing? 

I've also noticed the speed in which Danielle is developing (and it's everything - movement, skill, intelligence, verbally, personality), I remember thinking before having D that 9mths was my fav age with Nathan, now I remember why. :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 04, 2006, 09:09:18 am
Hi Everyone

So I'd better finally give my update right  :lol:

The beach was great.  Will try to post a pic or two once we upload them from the camera.  Fraser loved the sand and loved swimming - we were at a beach with no waves so it was lovely and calm.  The water was warm, there were few people around.  Ah, heaven! 

All the swimming and activity had Fraser exhausted.  Day time naps were good, and nights were no different to at home (generally 2 feeds and assorted other random wakings).  Morning wake up got earlier and earlier towards the end of the week but seem to be coming good (fingers crossed) since we have come home. 

I have to completely agree with Nikki though - I am loving this age.  We are having so much fun with Fraser (with some exceptions like today with tooth #3 having popped through yesterday so some bad naps and cranky pants).  He is a delightful little person and I am loving watching him learn and explore and develop.

So the mod thing - I have offered to help out on the nightwakings board.  Are you shocked  :shock:  :lol:   OK, so we haven't had a lot of success but boy, do I bring with me some EXPERIENCE!!  I've also done a lot of reading and investigated a lot of options and I've had the benefit of wisdom from some very wise Mummy's and I thought that I could share some of that with others who might be struggling too.  Plus I can offer a really big "I'm hearing you, I've been there, done that, wearing the t-shirt" (that's for you Ankie, where are you Ankie??)

And also:

Micky - loving those pics - what a cutie!!
Andrea - big HUGS to you.  The only thing I want to add is that Fraser's routine went out the window (to a point) while we were on holiday (meaning nap times were different, bed times were different, naps were missed here and there etc etc).  He started out coping brilliantly for the first couple of days, just like you saw with T.  But by the end of the week he was really struggling and the wheels had started to fall off our wagon.  So the week taught me flexibility but also that F is thriving because of the structure in our day.  HTH just a little.  Oh, and yay!  How clever is your girl!!
Hayley - don't know if you remember any of my previous posts but we have a super fussy eater here too.  He will scoff jarred food any day of the week and turns his nose up at my homemade stuff (guess we'd better get used to that huh  :wink: )  Fraser really didn't like textured food either - we really only give finger food (he is so independent and stubborn, wonder where he get's that from  :?:  :oops:  where's the tongue in cheek emoticon!!) and purees.  He is also a fruit fiend and not a big vege fan.  Things are slowly getting easier as he gets better at feeding himself (although meals take HOURS!)
Jody - you get some HUGS too!  Two grumpy babies!  I tell ya, I know how frustrating those days can be.  We are fortunate to be having less and less of them.  I can only imagine if you are used to happy smiley girls those days must hit you like a ton of bricks!  Hope tommorow brings you lots of cuddles and smiles.
Michelle - more HUGS - I just got a phone call today that I have a spot for Fraser for childcare.  Mixed blessings - I will no longer have to work from home which is great because that is really HARD and I get nothing done and then have to work into the evenings and weekends but horrible because up until now it has only been DH or I caring for him.  Trying not to give it too much thought for now.  I know that it will be long term good but you know, no one can love these LO's like we do right.  I'll need your shoulder in a few weeks when F starts but in the meantime, feel free to share mine. 

OK that's as far back as the screen will take me.  Big hugs to everyone else who needs them.

Take care all and chat soon
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 04, 2006, 12:35:50 pm
Micky - awesome pictures!!!

Jo - soooooooo nice to hear from you.  Glad your time at the beach went so well.  Good for you (and others too) volunteering to moderate!! :)

Who asked about lo's getting fussy at end of solids feeding? Hayley that's right.  Ok, um, yes... I don't have always happy babies here :) so feeding time is usually FULL of fussing.  Finger foods helps for a few minutes.  I sometimes end up having to hold and feed one little lady.  Once they decide they are hungry and really want to eat then they fuss between bites because 1. bites aren't coming fast enough and 2. I fed their sister in between (heeeey!!!  I wanted that!! ;))  (awww they're on my lap right now facing the computer and Kaia is pulling Hannah over to her - by the ear :( - and giving her kisses.  Hannah doesn't seem to mind the ear pulling so much :))  Anyway I figure meal is done once they won't open for more bites.  And often if I just take the tray off their chairs they're happy for a bit.  (problem being if I walk away because Sarah , that monkey, will unbuckle them!!  Hannah's chair has a T-bar on it so she's relatively safe from falling out but Kaia's is right open. :shock:  I heard Sarah last night say "there you go unbuckled" thank goodness and ran over and buckled them back in (and gave her a bit of he!!)

Jody - Two fussy babies for a day is purely exhausting.  Heck one fussy baby for a day is exhausting.  And frustrating.  I find sleep times hold such a HUGE investment for us especially on rough days.  You feel like a bit of freedom is coming your way, a few moments of quiet and then when it doesn't happen it is very hard to not be angry or frustrated.   Heck just the other day Hannah was SO tired at nap time but would not stop screaming so I brought her out so Kaia could sleep but said to her "what the heck is your problem?  I took you both in there because YOU were tired!!"  then thought to myself "what kind of mother rants at an 8month old?"  Chris was out with the older two and I reeeaaaaallly wanted some alone time.  Anyway I felt like a sh!t and then she fell asleep in my arms. :)

Oh and how do you read to two?  I can't get these two to sit still and stop trying to eat the book and with two on my lap I just can't keep it all together so they rarely get books.

Ok I gotta go... Hannah's tired of having her ear pulled AND she's trying to type - someone's gonna fall soooon.....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 04, 2006, 13:13:43 pm
LOL I am trying to picture you and the girls right now! 

As for reading I know it is just one but I give Sophie a book to chew on while I read the second one!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 04, 2006, 14:30:44 pm
Thanks you soooo much everyone... I know I am not the only one who gets stresses and needs to b!itch, and it feels good to know you "know"!
I had the girls bathed, fed and in bed at 645 last night- I was going to make the day as short as possible, well it was a crap bath time, but a great night. They are getting pretty consistent with sleeping through, feels good. I knew it was going to be a better day when they woke "talking" not crying this morning... and the morning has already been more pleasent!

Micky- Jack is just so damn beautiful (can you say that about a little man?) Looks like a fun trip!

Judy- The girls pull the books as I read but it just shows interest- and Im bigger so I always win! They chew on the small books, but I dont let them get a hold of the big "robert munch" books...

Heres to a better day today and no more crying from me!!!! I think I have a sense of relief knowing Sean is now on his days off for 4 days... AHHHH help!!! (thats a relief "ahhhhhhh")


OH and a funny moment this morning... You know your hungry when you heat up the baby cereal and the smell makes your tummy grumble!!! Guess I should have made me some supper last night!!! He he he

Take care, Jods
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 04, 2006, 15:05:10 pm
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what kind of mother rants at an 8month old?"
*raising my hand*  :oops:   - Yup, done that before, and wished I could lock myself in the bathroom as well (that's for you Micky) - though my personal favorite is when she doesn't sleep and is later cranky - telling her "well if you had only slept earlier you would be happier now - like that really works...

Jody - (((hugs))) to you - glad today sounds better -  I have the same morning experience with Katie - if she wakes crying, I know we're in for it.

Jo - glad you had a nice time - with all your experience, I would certainly expect you to give wonderful advice on the nightwakings board.  I'm sure Frase will do wonderfully in day care - maybe he'll be so tired from all the extra stimulation he'll sleep - well, you can always hope, right?

Micky - your pictures are gorgeous - have to get my act together and post some more recent ones of Katie sometime soon.

Andrea - WOW for Taylor - and you wonder why she's not sleeping as well  :wink:  - I would guess that's part of your answer right there.  Katie has been commando crawling for almost 3 months now - I'm beginning to wonder if she'll ever crawl the "right" way - at least it's pretty entertaining. 

Michelle - glad to hear Molly's first day went well.  Katie still does not sleep particularly well in day care, but she seems to cope pretty well on those days.  I'm guessing because Molly will be there every day, she'll probably adjust more completely than Katie has. 

Anyway, I had some crazy dreams last night about putting Katie to bed and then finding her crawling into our TV room a few minutes later (as in climbing out of her crib, opening her door, opening the gate, crawling down the stairs, down the hallway, and into the TV room!) - I wonder what that means?  She really wants to stand up these days, but hasn't quite figured out how to pull herself up yet.  The sun is actually out here today, though I'm sure it's still pretty cold, so maybe we'll venture out for a walk...it's been way too long!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 15:29:34 pm
Hey girls,

Gotta type fast as I'm thinking a 45 min. nap will end any moment now.

After getting Cole down after 12 min. of pupd he woke after 45 min, 2 hours, then again around 11:30.  DH took this one and held his hand for 45 min. :twisted:  I told him from now on to come get me.  He woke again around 1:30 and 4:30 and I confess to feeding.  I know that that is at the opposite end of consistency but for some reason his cry just seemed that much louder last night.
This morning I tried putting him down at 9:20 which was 3 hours A and he fought so i brought him out for 5 min and he went down at 9:30 like a charm.

Hayley-thank you soooooooooo much for the post about Daniel now going 4-7 as opposed to 2:30-7.  That is VERY helpful.  I think I'll put Cole down at 6:30 for a few nights and see how we get on.  Given his early bedtime previously it only makes sense.
As for food here...Cole will scoff purees all day long.  Gave him a slice of banana yesterday and he gagged.  I'm slowly doing chunkier stuff, mashed a pear yesterday instead of pureeing etc.  Still haven't given the kid much variety.  I'm afraid he's turning orange from all the squash!  He doesn't usually cry at all though so i'm lucky there.

Michelle-Yay for you and Molly!  I think this is where all our BWing pays off.  Even in new environments our los will adapt well.  We meet our daycare provider for the first time this saturday!  I cannot wait.  She sounds so wonderful on the phone.  I don't go back until end of April though.

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Tracy said the biggest thing for babies 7-9 months is that the routine is basically a guessing game. Each day is different and it's important to just go with the flow at that point.

Nancy-thanks for pointing this out because I did not remember this at all. I will go back and read through this section and hopefully get a pick me up!
OMG-I must have missed this post by nancy...what page, please tell me what page.  I also need a pick me up!

Andrea-yay for Taylor!  Those are some HUGE milestones.  How exciting.  I too forgot to mention one...will do so at the end.

Micky-i LOVE those pics.  What wonderful memories.  I can't wait to get a toothy shot of Cole like that :D

Jo-Got your card yesterday. What a lovely note.  Makes me think again that I should have taken more time with my cards and sent them late. oh well.  Thanks for the update on your vacation.  It sounds lovely.  And I so hear you on the "been there, done that" about moderating.  However, my memory is terrible so I find I'm struggling a bit on the nap board.  I do remember though that I was just so thankful that someone was listening/there for me when I was starting BW that I hope I help at least in that sense.

Judy-Any chance you could read to them with the book on the floor?  I find Cole doesn't try to eat the book as much that way.  I'm a little disappointed as some of our favourites are going to need replacing soon due to bent/cracked/sucked on pages.  Oh well...at least they are well loved. 

That makes me think of a little girl my friend told me about (her cousin's daughter).  Her mother has always spoken to her like an adult.  Her lovey is one of those bunny things and it ended up being basically a nose with a ratty blankie attached.  People would comment on it and her mom told her what to say, so when my friend visited the lo told her "my bunny is well loved"  LOL (i think she was 2 and a half at the time)

I forgot to mention that while fighting nap yesterday Cole stood up and GOT DOWN several times...so I know that's not a problem.  Maybe I just need to do the count to 100 thing.  I still think he needs me to go to him though.  I think the trick is to make it so he doesn't wake and then won't be standing :wink:

Okay-our little milestone.  For a while I've been trying to show Cole how to go down the stairs.  I'll drag his legs down and he'll basically giggle while I do it.  I noticed yesterday that he got extra close to the top of the two steps by the LR.  So I asked "do you want help getting down?"  He sat up, I pulled his legs down onto the step and he went the rest of the way on his own.  So he had to lean down, put his hands on the step, put his legs onto the floor and get down from their!  YAY!

PHEW-can you tell I miss you girls :D  I called my internet co. yesterday and he couldn't help me because we have a third party wireless router.  Anyway, he suggested getting a longer ethernet cable...so instead I just dragged the router across the room in our bedroom so it is closer to the pc in the office and voila!  I have internet :D

okay, must go pay bills etc and do all the stuff I couldn't do yesterday.  Cole is going on 1 hour!  yay.

I think I'll allow 2 1.5 hour naps if I can get them to see if it improves his night sleep.  Clearly all other combos of naps aren't working so far :wink:

You can BET I'll be back later :P
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 15:32:24 pm
Jody-read your post lat night about HOMO milk but DH was impatient to get on.  Maybe I'll ask my ped again.  Cole doesn't eat anything of ours yet so I guess it wouldn't be such a good idea.  Thanks
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 04, 2006, 16:06:11 pm
Hey guys. Great news...after Molly's not sleeping much at daycare yesterday I was all geared up for a fitful night...she slept all night!! Wooooooo wooooooo! She woke at her usual 5 am and fussed and talked to herself, then straight back to sleep until the usual 6:30 am. I was so proud!  :lol:

Jody - I go back full time on the 11th. I really do like my job, just all the politics of working for a Union that is crappy! Funny about "cut the crap, go have a nap" that's exactly what my brain is thinking when it's nap time. LMAO!! How is the Oprah DVD set anyways?? I have been eyeing it up myself...

Kate - Yes, just like Junior High for sure!! And thank god (as Andrea said) we do have someone (alot of awesome someone's here) to share all the good and bad times with. I would be lost without all my "girls" here.

Andrea - Yaaaaaaaay for Taylor!! What a gal...crawling and pulling herself up?!! Yikes, you are in for some running after her soon!  BTW, I am a secretary, I work for a Union in Edmonton. We are the largest Union in Alberta and have about 65,000 members. It is a great job, I've been there for almost 15 years and have seen alot of changes over the years. The people are mostly fun to work with but as I said above, the politics that go on behind closed doors are unbelievable!!  Oh well, every job has it's good and bad that's for sure. I get paid very well, have awesome benefits, 5 weeks vacation a year and a pretty laid back atmosphere (don't have to get all dressed up to go to work) so I'm pretty content there.

Micky - LMAO at you locking yourself in the bathroom and pretending you are at the spa!! I say you, Jody and I should book a day at the spa...no more pretending!!!   Love the pic of Jack with the "halo" on his head. What a smiley cutie patootie!!

Jo - thanks for the hugs and shoulder to cry on!! I'll be here when you need mine. Congrats on the Mod assignment you brave, brave girl!

Judy - I'm the kind of mother that rants at an 8 month old, yes, yes, I am!! Been there, done that, felt stupid. LOL

Traci - Yay to Cole for getting back down from standing in his crib AND for crawling down the steps. My gosh what a thrill seeker!! LMAO!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on January 04, 2006, 17:13:27 pm
Good morning afternoon night to you all.  Might as well add in my post holiday blues...!!!!  Crying all morning yesterday that I had to get back into the old routine.  Made it through the day.  I think I was having a tough time with DH going back to work even though he is a messy man like so many of your Dhs.  He once told me that when I complain about picking up after him he feels like a little kid   hmnmm!
Andrea-I am going through a tough time dealing with not having a real out of the house job.  I know that being a mom is a super important job but I got a lot of my identity and self worth from my job and now it is gone.  Some days it makes me cry, some I want to kick things and others I just daze off in the distance!!
Hayley-sounds like solids are going better-hooray  I mix bm, water and or pureed fruit with cereal.
Richelle-kwym about dh being messy messy MESSY although sometimes he cleans up and I am so thankful
Judy-struglling to always get in 4 solids bf a day.  The 11 and 3 ish ones here are sometimes great and others not so good.  When do we change to 3?
THis morning wake up at 4:45, 15 minutes before the stinking alarm is supposed to go off to get my butt to the gym.  Tried pupd then cuddling and that's all he really wanted.  Wouldn't go to sleep but was enjoying being held.  After an hour I put him in his crib and he started crying, walked out of the room and left him in there.  3 minutes later not a peep then a scream.  I yelled F!ck and Dh got up but then Ben went back to bed.  Dh left for work without saying goodbye because I had made myself a cave with the covers so NO ONE would bother me anymore.  I felt like saying to Ben JUST GO TO BED WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. 
Must of ate a lot of grumpy food last night to put me in this y mood.
Okay all down feel much better but the irritability is still there.  I think I will try to steam it away in the shower.
Happy day to you all.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 04, 2006, 17:38:23 pm
Hello ladies...

Don't have much time... Arwyn is suffering from Short Nap Syndrome and Multiple Night Waking Disorder so... mommy is plain knackered.

Andrea... I sooooo hear you on the routine breaking trauma. While you may not be seeing results now, you can bet that they will be evident later. I always ask myself, "Could it be worse?" and the answer is always, "Yes." You can trust that you are bringing up Taylor the way you feel is best for you, her and integration into your family life. You sound a bit like me in terms of schedules, deadlines, routines, etc... anything to do with planning... and I couldn't imagine having a baby that wasn't on any sort of routine. The unpredictability would drive me nuts. I know that Taylor's short naps are unpredictable too... however, you have a lovely routine that you can plan your day around (at least loosely).

The trouble with "throwing it all out the window" is that you may not be able to let go mentally. Unfortunately, once enlightened, you can never go back... especially if it is something that you really believe in. And a routine sounds like something you really believe in.

I wish you all the "pick my up" vibes I can send your way. I know it is sooooo frustrating when you put in so much work. Raising children is like that... tonnes and tonnes of input, to get an ounce of output.

Traci... Girlfriend, you and I have to just escape and sleep for a night or two. If you feel comfortable with it, just continue to feed Cole once in the night. My doctor says that some babies just need to be fed and can't make it through the night until over 1 year. I know it is not very BW advice but you, my friend, have been at it for a long time and Cole doesn't seem to be able to go without a feed. He sounds super active and maybe his body just needs more. BTW, do you know if he is waking due to moving around? I find that if I "pseudo-swaddle" Arwyn, she falls asleep faster. I hold her over my shoulder, put the blanket on her and tuck the two ends between her and I so that her arms can't move. DH is able to restrain both arms just while holding her but my limbs are not long enough.

Hayley... on top of a terrible eater, yes, I have a screaming baby at the end of EACH friggin' feeding. I keep telling her, don't scream, tell mommy, "all done" and do the sign but it has not sunk in yet. :roll:

{{{{{HUGS}}}}} to everybody. Sounds like everybody needs one... the back to work moms, moms of screaming or ear-pulling twins, routine-breaking babes, non-eating munchkins, and non-sleeping through the night bubs. Anybody not have one of these, just sit back and drink your coffee. :wink:

My DH held Arwyn back to sleep last night :twisted: when I was out running errands. We had a multiple night waking night again (what else is new?) and the random nature of them is driving me insane. Sometimes it takes me up to 40 minutes to put her back down. I feed at the middle waking and this morning at 5:20, I also fed... :oops: and I figured she didn't need a morning BF... I was wrong... ate tonnes at 7:10 after fussing like crazy in her walker. Growth spurt? or just plain nuttiness?

Ta ta... baby will wake soon... gotta get some breakfast.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 04, 2006, 17:39:00 pm
Congrats to all the new Mods!!!!  We are such a bunch of talented ladies aren't we??!!!  :)

Our night was better than we have been having but worse than the norm.  We had one long waking at about 1:30.  Dh decided to try and handle it but the cries kept getting louder and longer and more desperate.  I intervened after 40 mins or so and noticed Carter was soaking wet in pee again!!  I think DH doesn't know what to do when he goes in there.  He knows I tell him to rub his belly and don't pick him up unless you have to etc so he never knows what to do.  I know if I let him do whatever he wanted then he woudl walk around the whole house rocking Carter in his arms which is what I don't want.  I guess I might as well just do it myself.  Anyway, ended up changing Carter while breastfeeding but with DH's help this time!!  Then he slept until 7:30 which was very nice.  He was a total bear to pu tto sleep last night and it took me almost an hour.  FInally he went to sleep at 9:00pm which is why he slept so late.
He had a great morning nap for the first time in days so I am feeling alittle more positive.  Decided to pray for all March/Apr mama's to have just ONE night of no night wakings (ie atleast 10 hours of consecutive sleep).  Will have to see if it works.  I mean we all definitely deserve it so we can function and be nice to our babies!  Or else we will be all locked in our bathrooms!!  :)  LOL

Micky:  Love the pics!  Jack is the cutest!!!!  You look exactly like I pictured you (I am usually dead wrong) ... even though can't really see your face.  The beach looks wonderful btw!!!

Roz:  I always make sure to "point downwards" and it used to work.  Then I realized DH never did it but now he always does as well and it doesn't seem to matter at all.  Must try the plastic pants that Nancy (I think) was suggesting.

Hayley:  Carter cries at the end of every meal!!!  As soon as I try and take the dish away he starts screaming.  He just loves to eat!!!

Andrea:  Yeah for Taylor!!!  Carter is finally at the rocking-in-the-crawling position stage.  That's about it though.  Oh ya, he can turn circles while sitting ... :roll:  :roll:   Whoppee!!!  :)

Michelle & Erin:  I am glad that you both have fairly positive experiences with daycare!  I am currently looking for one for Carter (have to go back to work end of Feb).  I was dreading it because I was worried that no one would follow his routine and he woudl never sleep and everything would be all messed up.  I have a meeting with a lady tomorrow night.  She does daycare out of her house and only has one other child at the moment so I know Carter will get loads of attention.  I hope it works out!  Don't know why I am bothering to go back.  I won't be making much money after daycare is all paid for ... however if I put in enough hours I will get another paid year of maternity leave with lo #2.

Well, I smell poop and hear fussing coming from the tigger jumper so must go!  Later ladies!!!!
Be back later!!

Oh ya .. got 3 cards in the mail today (Thanks Karen, Hayley, and Jo).  I love the letter Jo ... I feel the same way!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 17:51:35 pm
(Warning: long post ahead!)

Well, last night was better, and I have to brag on DH. I took Liv grocery shopping with me yesterday afternoon so he could get some rest. He was feeling better, but still not well enough to be out of bed more than a few minutes at a time. While I was gone, he slept, then was feeling better, so he picked up around the house as it was a distaster from our rough couple of days. As I mentioned last night, bedtime was DREADFUL...so DH took over and sent me to bed at 9:00. He stayed up till midnight in case she woke (since he'd slept most of the day and was feeling better). He said she only woke once in that time and settled fairly easily. She woke again at 1:15, I went in and put my hand on her and she settled right down and went back to sleep. She woke again about 4:30, but settled herself before I got in there. Then slept until 8:00 this morning! She's down for nap #1 and so far it's been almost an hour! Maybe things are getting...never mind, don't want to jinx it!! Thanks to you all for being there for me!

JODY---HUGS to you for your rough day. And I'm glad today is better. I know what you mean about feeling like a horrible mother about the way you feel sometimes. I think we've all been there, and I think that's what makes this board so important to all of us...the support!!

MICHELLE--yeah for Molly's first day at "school" and a great night!!! And what's with you, Jody &  Micky sneaking off to a spa without the rest of us?!?! We want to go!!!  :)  (Seriously, wouldn't that be great if we could all get away and go together!!)

ANDREA & TRACI (and anyone else for that matter)--the pages I mentioned in BWSAYP about the routine for 6-9 months are pages 36-39 (in the EASY section, not the emotions section...hope I didn't have you searching the whole book!)

MICKY--love the pics! How cute is he!!

JUDY--I am also guilty of ranting at an 8-month old. I admit it sometimes helps me feel better, but I know someday she will be able to understand even more what I'm saying, so I should learn to be patient now.

HAYLEY--Liv isn't really crying at mealtimes, but she has been fussier than usual. It seems like she's less interested in the cereal and more interested in finger food. She seems to do pretty well with the jarred foods, but all but refuses cereal and formula sometimes. I think she wants more variety now.

Has anyone else's LO started refusing the bottle and/or cereal? Have you dropped a bottle or cereal? I think it's still a little too early to do so, but if she keeps refusing it, I feel like I'm just wasting it all.

MACAIRE--[[[[[[[HUGS]]]]]] to you for your rough morning. I have been there. It's no fun, but as DH always tells me, "remember this, too will pass." (Sorry if it ticks you off as much as it does me sometimes when he says it!  :) ) I also suffered the whole identity loss issue when I stopped working. I had planned to work from home, then 1 week before I left for maternity leave my boss told me that wasn't going to work out. We definitely wanted one of us to be home with her, so I ended up quitting altogether (DH makes more, so it made sense). I am doing some freelance now, and that's going great, but it's not the same as having a career and prestige, etc.) It's sometimes hard at the end of the day to realize all I've accomplished is laundry, cooking, and cleaning....which will all have to be done again tomorrow!! I know motherhood is the most important job, but sometimes it doesn't feel like it! I've noticed it does help for me to get out...go to a mom's group, out to coffee with friends, or just get out and go to the mall or for a walk. It helps me feel like I'm still connected to society.

I also forgot to mention all of Liv's accomplishments in the midst of my desperate pleas for help. In the last week she has started:

1. Commando crawling
2. Waving
3. Clapping
4. Has 2 more teeth...for a total of 6!

I also forgot to mention the FABULOUS gift she got from my parents (I know we're kind of past the whole Christmas gift conversation, but I have to brag on the grandparents!). They MADE her (from scratch) a toybox/bookshelf combo. It's so cool, and the greatest part is...I had NO IDEA they could do anything like that. When they said they made something for her, I got really scared, b/c I've never known my dad to make anything of wood. But it's BEAUTIFUL!! And I know she'll treasure it always.

Well, my fingers are getting tired, and I'm sure you're tired of reading by now, so I think that's it...just wanted to get caught up. Sorry for such a long post!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 04, 2006, 18:06:13 pm
Good morning Ladies!

Micky - LOL at Jack!  He looks like the King of that party. BTW, Sol is bathing again, TFA.  He's in the big tub and really loves the room. Both DH and I have to be there though or he fusses and looks for the missing parent.

Jody/ Andrea - {{Hugs}} Those Mommy blues are creeping into this house too.  I layed in bed this morning listening to the crying lo and wished myself on the beach. (Jo) the bathroom just wasn't far enough away.
Yay on Taylor's leaps!

Hayley - Snap!!! I could have written your post.  Yes Sol has started crying after and sometimes during meals.  This morning he started crying in the middle of breakfast.  I gave him some water and he settled down so I tried a little more food.  He ended up eating it all.  :shock:  I'm trying to remind myself to use the signs for "all done" and "drink" more since his crying seems to be more communicative. 

Erin - Weird dream.  These developmental milestones mean they are moving closer to independence.  I used to dread it going so fast but am feeling more ambivalence now.

Macaire - I think I'm feeling a lot like you.  I also mourned the absence of DH yesterday when he went back to work.  The house was so empty.
I had to drop in to my old workplace yesterday and everyone was so happy to see me and it was awsome to talk about topics other than baby. (aka office gossip)  I really thought I was done with that job but I really miss the interaction and the sense of accomplishment I got from working.  I know it would be hard to leave Sol but I know we'd both adjust with time.  So I'm now plagued with thoughts of 'Do I really want to work from home?' 

It's a yucky place.  :(  Thanks for listening.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 18:11:24 pm
Morning everyone! 

Nancy, what a fab gift for your dad to make for Olivia.  :D  Sounds like things are getting better *fingers crossed* for you.

More hugs to those with rough nights {{Hugs}}

We still had a waking around 5am, I know I said I wasn't going to feed,  :roll: but it's a really bad time for trying to resettle since it's close to Nathan's wake up time, so did a quick feed and they both woke at 6am, so I'm sure I'll get there anyway.

What is it with non-sleeping babies - the number of times I've thought when one child isn't going to sleep WELL JUST LET ME LIE DOWN IN YOUR WARM, SOFT, QUIET, SNUGGY BED THEN AND SLEEP!!!  In fact I wouldn't care half the time if it was on the hard floor with no blankets.

Gotta go, will check in later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 18:32:03 pm
Nancy, meant to say - how cool of Liv doing all those new things!  It's so exciting when you see their little minds try to work something out and then see how proud they are of their achievements.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 19:13:41 pm
OK, must be quick...someone is waking up and will be hungry. Just wanted to post a couple of pics from our holiday.

The first one is of Liv sitting IN her new toybox Grandpa made.
The second one sums up Liv's whole attitude by the last day of our trip. (we couldn't resist!)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/nbackues/100_1332.jpg)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/nbackues/100_1380.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 19:14:54 pm
OK, I've GOT to figure out how to post my pics smaller...sorry!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 19:43:39 pm
nancy-if you're using photobucket and i think you are...you can resize them...choose 25% of original and repost the image code
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 04, 2006, 20:16:33 pm
Nancy - LOL, I couldn't figure out why the web page was so wide until I made it down to life-sized Liv!  No biggie though - glad to hear last night went b*tt*r (will that keep from jinxing it?).  Yay for all of Liv's accomplishments - Katie just started clapping too and it cracks me up.  Oh, and Katie's noon bottle is pretty much hit or miss - she almost never takes more than 2-3 ounces.  She was that way with the BF before I switched over and for a bit she'd take more from the bottle, but not anymore.  We're pretty much done with that feed - and she'll be 10 months on Friday (where does the time go?)  Today I just gave her water in a sippy cup and she drank some of that.

Nikki, I'm with you, in the middle of the night I would gladly sleep just about anywhere, floor included - I once laid down on the floor with Katie to try to get her back to sleep - she was having no part of it though.

Cathy (((hugs))) for your rough night (is the moon full or something?) and my DH has no idea what to do in the middle of the night either (those 2 or 3 times he's actually gotten up).

Ankie - (((hugs)))) to you too.  That Arwyn is a tough cookie these days. 

Macaire - I had to laugh at your sheet tent (sorry, I'm sure it was anything but funny at the time).  I know EXACTLY how you feel....though I never have resorted to tents....I'll have to give that a try. 

Today, we are enjoying being at home - it seems like we spent every day in December running around crazily, so Katie is having two naps at home for a change and I've been catching up on some stuff.  I was on the phone with the insurance company before and they have one of those annoying voice activated menu systems - every time I got to where I wanted, Katie would yell blah, blah, blah (or one of her many other sayings) and the phone would say "I'm sorry, I didn't understand you" and go back to the main menu.  Frustrating, but very funny.

My best friend from NC had her baby the other day and I just got some pics.  She had a beautiful little boy.  I'm so excited for her, but I so do NOT miss having a newborn.  I like now MUCH better.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 20:47:10 pm
macaire-I so hear you on the "just go to bed what is your problem"  *sigh* i want to crawl under the covers every day.  apparently they just don't understand our frustration.  btw-my hat off to you for going to gym at 5am!  holy smokes girlie, that is dedication.

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Traci... Girlfriend, you and I have to just escape and sleep for a night or two. If you feel comfortable with it, just continue to feed Cole once in the night. My doctor says that some babies just need to be fed and can't make it through the night until over 1 year. I know it is not very BW advice but you, my friend, have been at it for a long time and Cole doesn't seem to be able to go without a feed. He sounds super active and maybe his body just needs more. BTW, do you know if he is waking due to moving around? I find that if I "pseudo-swaddle" Arwyn, she falls asleep faster. I hold her over my shoulder, put the blanket on her and tuck the two ends between her and I so that her arms can't move. DH is able to restrain both arms just while holding her but my limbs are not long enough
  He is in a grobag.  I think my issue is purely A time and has been for a long long while now.  I just thought it was the frigging teeth.  I think you're right...if he will go to 4:00-4:30, then feed, then up for day around 6 I would be a VERY happy girl.

Nancy-thanks for the page numbers...will look it up later.  Love the pics.  Poor little thing in the second...not a happy little girl.  what a wonderful gift btw.

Cathy-have you tried double diapering...or in the states you can get Huggies Goodnights...worth a try?

gotta go, nap ending (i just held him for 30 min to extend)  oh well.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 04, 2006, 21:04:37 pm
me again.

Judy-with your short/no windown for the girls...what are they doing before that.  Are you sure to keep everything quiet?  i'm just curious as I wasn't 100% sure what time to put Cole down for nap 2 today.  I starting winding him down and tried for A of 3 hours and he fought, so A of 3:15 and he fought...then slept at A of 3:30...but only for 40 minutes.  I managed to extend once but left the room too soon and he woke again and I held him for 30 minutes to be sure he had a decent nap.  Anyhoo, what I'm saying is...even though he went to sleep after 3:30 A time I think because we were doing quiet activities for about 30 minutes he wasn't tired enough.  phew-took me a while to get to the point.

I know I was going to do nap 2 at 2:30 but that would have been 3:45 hours A and I thought that too long.  hmmm, not sure.  anyhoo, aiming for bed of 6:15-6:30.  wish me luck everyone.  I'll be back here shortly thereafter.

see...now that I'm back you just can't get rid of me :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 21:11:30 pm
Nikki--thanks! And yes, it is so cool to see all the new developments at this stage! It makes all the other crap (night wakings, short naps, etc.) so much more worthwhile.

Traci--thanks for the photo tip. I'll try to remember to reduce the size next time. Good luck tonight!

Erin--congrats to your friend on her newborn!! I know what you mean...I'd rather have the problems I have now than to go back to that phase. Although, we do want more children, so I'll be there again someday....ugh!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 04, 2006, 21:14:12 pm
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Sean and I cannot even sit at the table without them litterally climbing all over your legs...I can't give them enough of what we have! Please tell me that this stops??

Well I'm sure it does - but um well not by 3.5yrs in our house  :?

Ok Nikki, and anyone with ideas actually, give me some UP thoughts here.  The girls (Z&S) are having a snack of granola bars.  Zoe's has some peanut butter on the top and Sarah's has almond butter on it.  Zoe asked Sarah for a bite of hers and Sarah said no.  Fair enough (there would have been no more willingness the other way).  So Zoe snatches Sarah's and takes a bite anyway leaving Sarah in tears.  I'm feeding so I couldn't grab it fast enough.  Ok so I pick up Zoe's which is on the table and give a bite to Sarah - fair enough right?  Well Zoe get's mad and SPITS OUT the bite she took onto the carpet. :shock:  how not to get p!ssed off?  I AM p!ssed off.  I told her she needed to clean up every last bit before I gave her the remaining part of her bar.  She's lying on the floor claiming to be too hungry to clean it up.  I mean honestly - what is this a freakin' barn?  I know I'm just p!ssy and not in the right frame of mind for this right now.  SO of course instead I'm ranting at her about it.

Ugh!  Where's the cyber grunting emoticon??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 04, 2006, 21:19:12 pm
Judy, I'm sorry but you had me snorting my cup of tea over the barn remark!  :P  I'm just logging off, I've been on here waaay too long and we need to get out of the house.  Will ponder on this, because I sometimes get a similar situation and well my hot-headed response still comes out.  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 04, 2006, 22:49:08 pm
Nancy-so you were the culprit with making the page so wide!   :lol:  Just kidding!  Cute pics of Liv.  BTW, last night I did read teh entire Emotions chapter looking for the information on months 7-9 but to no evail!  But don't feel bad, it was good to go back and read anyhow, especially because it talks so much about seperation anxiety.  Thanks for the clarification!

Macaire-what did you do in yuor past life?  I know we covered this a LONG time ago, but sorry I forgot.   :oops: Sometimes I feel shameful for missing my old job/life, and then get irritated when some people say "you're so lucky to be able to quit."  What I want to say is that I sometimes see it as a sacrifice on my part, since I loved my job so much.  A sacrifice that I have made for Miss T that I know is the best decision to make, but still a sacrifice.  KWIM?

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Ankie-even exhausted you manage to maintain your sense of humour. I suppose you need to to get through your days.

Ankie you do crack me up!

Well doen Jo on moderating!  I know you will be great.  Also, loved the very thoughtful card you sent.

Congrats to all the babes doing the new things!  We should all be so proud, tear stained faces, dirty clothes, messy house and all!
Traci-BTW, how long would you say it took Cole to learn to go down the stairs?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 04, 2006, 23:27:44 pm
I only have a few minutes as we have a static baby today, I swear she has been stuck to the bottom of my pant leg all day, *sigh*.

When you say that you do quiet activities, what do you all do?  Evrything I try to do with Sophie always turns into laughing, singing ect...  Even DH says, jeez I miss the all day parties being back at work, WTH?  He came home tonight and Sophie and I were YAYAYAYAYAING at each other, failry loud  :oops: , anyway she gets really loud when we go out as well - I am not really worried (I don't think anyway) but Sophie was, um, singing, in the grocery store this morning, a lady said, boy has she got some lungs!  Are you all quiet at home?  DH and I have a tendency towards loud and rambunctious behavior, maybe we should turn it down a bit?  Anyway -I really must go - DH has just got home and we are getting ready for bath, hmm just thought that is ANOTHER rambunctious and loud event, *sigh* I swear the things I find to worry about....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 00:01:08 am
Quote from: Colesmom
Judy-with your short/no windown for the girls...what are they doing before that.  Are you sure to keep everything quiet? 

I can't even keep things quiet WHILE they sleep :lol:    Basically once they get teary I just pick them up and take them down to bed. 

Oh wow - I think I started this a few hours ago :oops:  Just sat down for our last feed of the day and realized my post was still here.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 00:07:34 am
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... anyway she gets really loud when we go out as well - I am not really worried (I don't think anyway) but Sophie was, um, singing, in the grocery store this morning, a lady said, boy has she got some lungs!  Are you all quiet at home?  DH and I have a tendency towards loud and rambunctious behavior, maybe we should turn it down a bit?

This is great!!!!  I think it's wonderful that she sings loudly in the store.  Why shouldn't she?  Maybe other people in the store could stand to learn something from her - like how to enjoy life.  Maybe I should start to sing loudly in the store (I do sing quietly sometimes but maybe I need to be LOUD!!).  Heck grocery shopping could be a whole lot more fun if people were jovial and laughing and singing. :)  Sometimes I think we all go about life very seriously, with a lot of 'shoulds' and 'appropriate behaviour' all for what?  This is LIFE we're living here and we make it out to be fairly dull...  Of course I have this rant for myself...  I find I so easily get caught up in getting through, all the 'supposed to', 'need to' stuff in life and forget that THIS IS IT - THIS is my life and am I really having fun?  I love my life but am I living it up as I should/could?  No.

Thanks Sophie for the reminder!! ;)  I have a feeling I will need a lot of these reminders though! Sorry - tough study sometimes.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 05, 2006, 00:17:51 am
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DUH-of course not, what was i thinking.

so-tried to put cole down at 6:15 and he just went to sleep at 7.  Not sure what I need to do.  Wake him by 3:30 so he'll go down for 6:30?

He started something new the last couple of nights...doing laps of the kitchen.  back and forth, back and forth.  tonight we were in his room at the same time and he started doing circles...it is a tiny room!  anyhoo, i wonder if this is a sign of overtiredness?  that's why i tried for 6:15.  Unlike Sophie-he doesn't get loud/talkative/boisterous until he's overtired. hmmmmmmm

quiet activities...reading, playing with blocks as opposed to noisy toys, staring out windows (a favourite)

andrea-i wasn't really consistent showing him to go down.  only a couple times a week really.  the main reason i did it yesterday is he seemed interested in going down.  usually he goes to the edge, turns around and climbs the bigger staircase. soooo, i'm not sure how long.

ttfn, DH home
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 05, 2006, 00:20:40 am
I agree with Judy. We are all too repressed for our on good. Perhaps we should model these babes and do something WILD once in a while.. I know, I know, I should get out more if I think singing an a grocery store is wild :oops:  :lol:

I wrote a long post and lost it so here is the truncated version.

Nancy and Micky, loved the pics.

Jo, really appreciated the note and congrats on moderating.

Nikki, I see that you are moderating 2 boards now so congrats! If you have been doing it a while and i just didn't notice, sorry :oops:

I need some input everyone...Sam has been refusing his bedtime BF the last 2 nights. Night before last, he wakes at 11.45 pm and I feed him (only took one side). He then woke at 5 starving!
Last night, same deal, shoving me away, looking away, crying, biting me or mouth clamped shut. Falls asleep after finally taking a couple of sips off one side. Wakes at 2 am crying, I try to settle but wakes again so I try and feed but same deal. DH goes to fix a bottle but Sam falls asleep in our bed while he does this. By this stage, it is 4.30 am..time flies when you are having no sleep!!! He sleeps till 6 then only feeds one side then falls asleep again. Wild horses could not wake him up!! Sleeps till 7.30 am....WTH???? :shock:

What do I do? Is he self weaning? Do I ride this out by pumping while I give him a bottle? I am not quite done BF yet!! The shoving me away etc is breaking my heart :cry:  :cry:

Thanks for being here and your input would be much appreciated!

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Sounds like everybody needs one... the back to work moms, moms of screaming or ear-pulling twins, routine-breaking babes, non-eating munchkins, and non-sleeping through the night bubs. Anybody not have one of these, just sit back and drink your coffee.

Everything Ankie said!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 05, 2006, 00:21:25 am
I agree with Judy. We are all too repressed for our on good. Perhaps we should model these babes and do something WILD once in a while.. I know, I know, I should get out more if I think singing an a grocery store is wild :oops:  :lol:

I wrote a long post and lost it so here is the truncated version.

Nancy and Micky, loved the pics.

Jo, really appreciated the note and congrats on moderating.

Nikki, I see that you are moderating 2 boards now so congrats! If you have been doing it a while and i just didn't notice, sorry :oops:

I need some input everyone...Sam has been refusing his bedtime BF the last 2 nights. Night before last, he wakes at 11.45 pm and I feed him (only took one side). He then woke at 5 starving!
Last night, same deal, shoving me away, looking away, crying, biting me or mouth clamped shut. Falls asleep after finally taking a couple of sips off one side. Wakes at 2 am crying, I try to settle but wakes again so I try and feed but same deal. DH goes to fix a bottle but Sam falls asleep in our bed while he does this. By this stage, it is 4.30 am..time flies when you are having no sleep!!! He sleeps till 6 then only feeds one side then falls asleep again. Wild horses could not wake him up!! Sleeps till 7.30 am....WTH???? :shock:

What do I do? Is he self weaning? Do I ride this out by pumping while I give him a bottle? I am not quite done BF yet!! The shoving me away etc is breaking my heart :cry:  :cry:

Thanks for being here and your input would be much appreciated!

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Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 05, 2006, 00:22:34 am
Don't know why that got posted twice and now cannot delete it, sorry!! :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 00:27:19 am
Richelle, if Sophie's fine with all the racket - no need to change it!  :lol:  Sounds fun!  Things get pretty crazy and noisy here with me and Nathan playing around too and D joins in the fun.

We also don't have a wind-down routine - I just notice the time, Danielle also starting to look a bit tired so I take her down to her room, change nappy, close curtains, tell her it's time for nigh-nighs, put her in the cot and leave.

Judy, right.  OK looking at this objectively and not necessarily how I would see it, so coming from a UP perspective, I guess I would question this:

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Ok so I pick up Zoe's which is on the table and give a bite to Sarah - fair enough right?

To me that was done as a pay-back (and too right  :wink: ) which to me also translates to punishment for Zoe for snatching. 

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Well Zoe get's mad and SPITS OUT the bite she took onto the carpet

We get a similar response of his snack plate being tossed if it's got something undesirable on it after HE demanded/agreed to have me put something on there.  i wonder if it's like they've made the chase but didn't really want it, it was the feelings of getting the thing rather than achieving it...not sure if I'm making sense there. 

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I told her she needed to clean up every last bit before I gave her the remaining part of her bar. She's lying on the floor claiming to be too hungry to clean it up.

Yep, I know that battle of wills...I do find if I ask Nathan to clean something up, and he refuses, so I go to clean it up he gets really snotty at me and then cleans it up anyway.  Almost like he hasn't got the rise out of me that he wanted.  That's obviously no help to you though, cause I know you often take this way anyway.

Were both girls agreeable to the flavour bar they had to start with?  Maybe encourage them to think about a trade before they start eating and if there's any fighting then they need to sort it out (I know Sarah tried to head off Zoe snatching it, but what would happen say if you werent' there when it happened and say were bathing the twins and couldn't go out and referee?)

I've read a thread on another board the other day about Sibling Rivalry (where I also got the article for Deb) which talked about a book called "Mom, Jason's breathing on me" - apparently it takes a whole difference stance and basically says to let kids work it out for themselves if there is no bodily harm going to happen or that one child isn't always at an unfair disadvantage.  The aim being that they will learn to compromise, problem solve on their own without thinking that one or other of them is needing you to referee which therefore gets interpreted as you taking sides, even if you've worked hard at not letting that happen.  So in this instance mum would've probably ignored the situation, ask them to both stop fighting and to try and figure out a solution to the problem: the outcome would have been Zoe offering a piece of bar to Sarah even if it was done in a huff (yes the snatching would have still happened, Sarah would have got upset etc).  I haven't read the book and we don't have it here, I found it another interesting take.  Then you would talk to both girls later separately and let them know that you're on their side and how the issue could have been resolved.

I don't know how I would have dealt with it differently in the place that I'm at with just coming to terms with philosophy.  :?  I just know that the outcome would have been the same.

Judy, do you find it difficult to read the Discipline forum lately now that you follow UP?  I just find unless someone understands and wants to come from a UP POV, it would be hard to give advise.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 05, 2006, 00:31:53 am
OMG Judy you are soo great!  You are sooo right as well, I was thinking as Sophie was having her bath which consists of splashing, swirling, sticking her face in the water, screaming and repeat. I started laughing so hard I was crying.  What a joy she is and I don;t want her to EVER stop being like that, WTF was I thinking????  I suppose it is b/c DH and I get told we are loud alot ect.. and SOphie gets the same thing but she is always making complete strangers chuckle and smile, jeez what a blessing!!

JO - It is nice to 'see' you again it has been too long!  WHat a great addition to the MOD's!  I also got your card today, thank you - it was excellent and that Fraser holy cow, sleep or not what a looker!  Glad your holidays went well and all the best with taking Fraser to day care and goin out to work, you'll do fantastic!

Traci - No kidding Cole is a busy guy, my gosh what a star!  It has been so great seeing you more today!

Macaire - {{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}} I hope you are feeling better and know that you are a great mom, Ben is very lucky to have you!

Nancy - What great pic's, Liv is a DOLL, OMG those cheeks!  What a great gift from you parents!  It sounds like she is getting back on track, fingers crossed and fingers crossed that you and LIv stay healthy with that sicko DH around.

Hannah - ARE YOU OK?  STILL OUT THERE? HOW WAS THE 1ST FEW DAYS BACK?  Sorry for yelling just wanted to make sure you could here me and you what loudmouths we are over here!

ANkie - You are such a sane and funny person what a great combo!  That girl has go to cit you some slack soon right?  She is such a little dynamo!  I really do wish upon all things that you (and Traci and Nancy) get a good sleep in the near future.

Andrea - WOW, Taylor is a bit of a keener eh?  YOu go girl....

Micky - How cute is Jack in those pic's, I LOVE the head dress/wreath?  anyway priceless with the toothy smile!

Michelle - So glad all went well with daycare and the night sleep, phew...

That is all can remember and I need to check on dinner i am making 'healthy' 'fush and chups' / "feesh and cheeps" / fich and chips oh and mushy pois ( i love it, DH is from yorkshire and turned me onto this, anyone know what I am talking about?)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 00:33:33 am
Karen, I have just taken on one more board to moderate, but they've also decided to list what boards we moderate now which is probably why you noticed it.

Not sure about the self-weaning, hardcore BFers will tell you that babies don't naturally wean before 14mths.  I think they do go through stages though and Danielle was refusing her two day feeds for a few weeks but we're back on track with some perseverence.

Strangely, I've been forgetting to give her the 11am feed a few times this week, she doesn't fuss or ask for it, so I wonder if it's ok to go to 3 BFs a day?  Anyone else doing only 3?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 01:30:49 am
Yes, I'm the moron who can't upload pics accurately. You'd think with all the technology around our house, I'd be a little more savvy. (Actually, it was all a plan to show of my beautiful
daughter in living color!)

ANDREA--sorry you spent the evening reading the wrong section, but I'm glad it was a refresher for you. And I agree with your "sacrifice" philosophy on not working.

RICHELLE--Liv is the same way with wind down. Even looking out windows gets her all excited. It seems like she going, moving, talking, laughing until I turn off the light and sit in the glider.
Then she gets her thumb in her mouth and crashes. Needless to say "quiet" activities aren't always that quiet for us either.

KAREN--I don't have much input as far as bf, but I know that whenever Liv refuses her bottle in the same way (throwing a fit, pushing away, etc.) it's usually because she's too tired and just
wants to go to sleep. Has he been getting enough sleep lately? Just a thought.

NIKKI--I've also been wondering about going to 3 feeds a day as Liv is very uninterested in her bottle recently. However, she's a little younger than Danielle, so I don't know if it's too early. I
thought it was typically around 9 months that they go to 3. Anyone know?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 05, 2006, 01:46:39 am
Hi Everyone

Richelle, thanks for the compliment.  Yes, we think Fraser's a bit cute  :oops:  8)  Not half biased thought  :D

Nikki and Nancy - we have recently dropped down to 3 feeds.  Fraser had been stuffing around with the 11 and 3 for a little while, and all my precious liquid gold was being dumped down the sink making me  :( .  Plus my pumping output has significantly decreased, telling me that he's taking less and less.  So we went to 3 feeds while I was on the week off and that seems to be working for him really well - he is taking MUCH MUCH better feeds now (double sided feeds - they had only been single sided for ages).  I have also swapped the lunchtime for solids first (around 11.30) and then milk (12.00/12.30).   Morning I still do BF first because if we did breakfast first I might not get to BF before I need to leave for work.  And nights is dinner at 5 and BF before bed 6.30 or thereabouts.

I've also started taking Fenugreek to help with my milk supply - I guess hoping that he'll still get plenty during those day feeds.   

Karen - maybe Sam's BF refusal is linked to this as well - Fraser was turning me away because he simply wasn't hungry enough yet.  He certainly hasn't turned me down since we've moved to the 3 feeds.

Nancy - Liv is beautiful.  Love the grumpy shot!  Reminds me of my son  :D

OK, that's all for now!

See you later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 05, 2006, 02:11:14 am
Hi, girls!
Judy/Nikki, now I'm just scared about toddlerhood.   :) Thanks, as ever, for opening our eyes to prepare the way. 
Micky and Nancy, loved the pictures!  Sooo cute! 
Karen, I'd keep offering the bf.  I'm sure it's heartbreaking, though.  I bet Jo  is right about less feeds making for better feeds. 
On the subject, I really thought I'd be all gung ho to quit this bf-ing, but as it's getting closer and closer, I'm not so ready.   :cry:   I'll just keep selfishly thinking about my lasik surgery (have to be done bf-ing for 3 months before they'll do it b/c of hormones or something?) and maybe it'll make it easier.  How screwed up is that line of thinking?   :oops:   One of my "non-make-believe" mommy group friends  :wink: is freaking out b/c her son turns 1 next week and he still feeds to sleep at night and both naps.  I've been subtly (or maybe not THAT subtly) pushing BW, but no luck so far.  I'll have to keep you posted.
Richelle, we are really loud this way, too.  I always sing to Ryan in the grocery store, but not too loud...I'm REALLY bad!  This weekend, I guess I was loudly whistling along with the songs b/c from the next aisle over, I heard dh whistling back to me.   :lol:   
We do try to do some sort of wind-down or else Ryan can't settle.  We usually read the same book (we have a nap book and a bedtime book...don't want him to get confused and take a nap instead of going down for the night.  Again, I am a FREAK!   8) )  Our bath is crazy over here, too.  We have to wind down after the bath or there'd be no hope for sleep.  It's Ryan's favorite part of the day.   :D
Macaire, big (((hugs))) to you!  I would like to climb into your bed-tent with you...but only as friends.   :lol:  I do believe that is your first official vent and, frankly, it's about time.   :D
Okay, that's all I can think of...except I second the where the deuce is Hannah?  And Bec?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 02:45:44 am
Crikey girls, lucky Daniel has big sleeps or I'd never stay on top of this thread.

Mmmm what can I remember that I wanted to say....

Macaire - gym at 5am??? OMG RU crazy?? Actually, I'm envious of your motivation. Can you send some my way. You might be able to answer a question I've posted on the healthy living site, can the baby bump tummy go away? I'm back to normal size everywhere but the mound on my tummy, it used to be flat, now it's not. Is there any point in trying to flatten it by exercise? If I suck my tummy in it goes away, is this a good sign for potential decrease in size?

Nancy - cute photos of Liv, and how wonderful to get a hand made toybox/bookcase. Could we all put in orders?

Ankie - what a sigh of relief to hear Arwyn cries at meal times. Not that it's good she cries, but to know Daniel's not the only one. Thanks for the reassurance.

Karen - my guess is Sam's ready to drop a b/feed to. In saying that (Daniel's only on 3 bottles) I"m thinking of trying to add back in a bottle thisafternoon before dinner to see if that helps. And OMG you're a superstar Karen, you SHOULD be a solids food moderator. Your recipes have got my Daniel bear eating again.  :D  :D  :D I think it was nearly me crying after lunch due to happiness. I made the couscous and vege with chkn stock recipe thismorning and he ate it for lunch. A big desertspoon full + a cube of apple mixed in with a bit more water added too. What a relief. Ok, so I admit I also had the tv on and it was later than usual 12.30pm instead of 11.30pm, so perhaps they other changes helped, but he ate without tears and I cooked it! Hopefully it was the recipe that made the real difference though. Thank you so much.

Infact, thank you all for your feeding feedback  :lol:  :roll:  :lol: it really helped. I guess the crying is just Daniel's way of saying "get this stuff out of my way, I've had enough". I'm trying to make sure I whip it away as soon as he shakes his head but it doesn't always work.

Traci - have you thought about keeping Cole up until 7pm? What are his night time cues?

Oh, I was going somewhere with that, but Daniel's just woken and I've forgotten what I had thought of earlier.

bye bye
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 05, 2006, 03:00:39 am
Richelle--
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Are you all quiet at home?
NOT A CHANCE!!  Katie babbles incessantly - and I'm not even exaggerating.  From the moment she wakes up until the moment she goes to sleep (except when she's napping or has food in her mouth) - blah, blah, blah - I find it really amusing (though by 6 PM or so, I do sometimes wish that she would be just a bit quieter).  I remember people telling me I talked to much when I was little and I therefore became sort of a quiet person so NO ONE is going to tell my child she talks too much.  We often have lengthy conversations in the mall, grocery store, wherever, and I quite frankly don't care who hears us.  Bathtime is a rockin' good time here too, except Katie keeps trying to stand up in the bathtub  :roll:

Karen - I've pretty much given up on Katie's lunchtime bottle as she hardly ever takes it anymore.  However, I do find that if she takes a few ounces at lunch, she'll take less later from her next bottle.  If she doesn't take the lunchtime bottle at all, she'll take more later on.  In the meantime, if you're not ready to give up BFing, I would definitely pump in the meantime to keep up your supply.

Traci - I am SO impressed with Cole - he seems so coordinated - possibly a future athlete!

Ankie - hi to you!  We miss you when you're not around!

HANNAH, BEC -- WHERE ARE YOU??  COME BACK TO US!!

OK, a "what would you do" question - some very good friends of mine (single friends I might add) are having a party in a few weeks - it would take me a couple hours to get there b/c I have to take the train as they're in Brooklyn (part of New York City) and I'd have to be nuts to drive there -- so essentially, I'd take the train out there in the afternoon, hang out at the party, stay there overnight (trains don't run back to our part of NJ after 11PM) and come back the next morning.  Katie would stay with DH.  I'm REALLY torn - I want to go, I haven't seen these people in forever, as they are just in a very different place in life than I am right now....however, there is Katie.  I just can't decide - honest thoughts of what you would do would be wonderful, as I truly value all of your opinions.  Thanks  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 05, 2006, 03:16:55 am
Erin, GO TO THE PARTY!!!  You deserve a night away and your dh seems to be really on top of things.  You will have fun, dh will have fun (or at least gain some appreciation  :wink: ) and Katie will be so excited to see you when you come back. 
Must run as was supposed to be doing the laundry.  It's like a vortex over here...I keep getting sucked in!   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 05, 2006, 04:35:46 am
Greetings friends

I have been reading but havn't had time to post. Halle is due to wake any second so just quickly. Erin - go to the party!!!. I had a little overnight stay in november? i think. I left at 1pm and home by 11am the next day. Halle was just fine with DH and I had a great time catching up with some old friends.

We are NOT quiet here either. Halle has a huge set of lungs on her  :lol:  :lol: . Dh & I are not shy or quiet so I don't think she will be. Judy hit the nail on the head when she said THIS IS IT !! You only have one life (well, that you can remember anyway) so sing and dance and be silly all you want. I am always cracking people up with my dances for all occasions. DH and I even do silly dances in the supermarket and I get a ride on the trolley  :lol:  My Mum has a new 'friend' and we had a little family bbq the other day at her house. He was so shocked to see people just singing and dancing for no particular reason.

In the words of a famous aussie boxer - LOVE YOUS ALL  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 05, 2006, 04:38:25 am
hi girls!

ERIN GO TO THE PARTY!!!! Take the offer from DH to look after Katie while you've got the chance....don't ask twice.....don't look back.....have enough fun for all of us!!  :wink:  :D

ALSO  where is LISA???  I haven't seen her on this thread for ages!

Karen can you pm me your recipes too.  I think I was in California when you were handing them out.  I need some variety with Jack too.  I hate cooking.  If he could survive on baking that would be ok but cooking....BLAH!!! :P

how did you girls move to 3 bottles?  I think Jack is ready to drop one too but I'm not sure which one to drop.  He usually will have a 6-8 oz one after breakfast.  Doesn't usually want one after lunch. Sometimes will have one for a "snack" at 3-4pmish (about 6 oz). then he'll have another 8oz bottle before bed.  Sometimes he'll have a bottle after lunch and then not want a snack bottle.  Our times of napping and eating are all messed up right now because of our trip and also because of him just dropping the catnap too so I'm having a hard time figuring out which one to drop.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 04:51:44 am
Erin-GO TO THE PARTY!!!!  I THINK THAT IS 6 FOR 6 SAYING YOU NEED TO GO!  If I had the chance I would go, but do understand that it would be a tough decision at any rate.

Karen-in the lounge forum they were asking for moderator volunteers.  If you had the time you should definitely volunteer for solid foods.  you would be excellent!

Richelle-DH and T are really loud together.  I'm a little more reserved but have been known to do jazzercise type dances to amuse Taylor in her room and sing to her on her walks all the time.   :lol:   Definitely don't change a thing with that cutie pie!

I think Taylor might be ready to go to 3 feeds as well because she just is not digging the 11 or 3 anymore, so if I drop one she might be keen on the other?  Karen, I would say he is either not hungry or is super tired.  Many times at night when Taylor is too tired she will act super fussy and won't eat really well, so I put her to bed and she's fine.  Either way I'm suer it is a phase and will work out fine.

REgarding giving up BF, I too am not ready.  YEsterday in fact I couldn't pump enough for her 3pm bottle (MIL was babysitting), so we had to give her some formula (haven't done that since she was about 2 days old).  I felt pretty sad.   :(

 :arrow:  :arrow: So just some personal info.  I figured out why I have been an emotional mess the last couple of days, why I've been tired and maybe even why I am having a decrease in milk supply:
I started AF today after only about 3 weeks!!!  Each month my cycle keeps getting shorter and shorter, which is odd because before getting pg, my cylce was about 40 days long!   :shock:  :?: Anyone else experiencing this?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 07:14:26 am
Hi, yep, go for Erin, enjoy!

Micky, I would drop the after lunch bottle if Jack's not that interested, then perhaps feed him as soon as he gets up from his afternoon nap. If he won't go down without it, perhaps try reducing the quantity to about half and do it just before bed (but not right on nap time IYKWIM).

Andrea, does Taylor have her first bottle when she gets up or after solids? If it's when she first gets up she might not last until 3pm.  Although, depending when her naps are you may be able to get one in 1/2 way in between 11 & 3pm either before or when she first wakes up from 2nd nap. BTW can't help with AF cycles, as I've only just had my first one since I first got pregnant. It took 6 weeks from when I stopped b/feeding cold turkey that I got my first one.

Bec, if I ever get to visit Aussie around where you live can I come to one of your parties??? They sound like so much fun. I wish we had parties like that.

As for noise, we're pretty big on that here too, from Daniel and I that is. DH is a little quieter. Infact we've just noticed yesterday that Daniel has some new noises, it's like he's opening his mouth more and his voice box has changed in tone, quite funny. It's like a more 'grown up' voice. My favourite noise is still his laugh though, just sooo adorable.

After my offering advice on dropping to 3 feeds above, I re-introduced a 4th feed to Daniel today and I think it may have made a difference to his dinner time. We had no crying at the end. I gave him 180mls when he woke from his second nap at 4pm and then he had dinner at 5pm. Ok, so it was jarred + my veges mixed, but he gobbled it up happily. Even other jarred food meals he's still cried at the end, but not tonight. So, maybe since dropping the bottle the food hasn't been satisfying his hunger enough. I'll try it for the next few days and see what happens.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 07:32:02 am
ok, so what's happening here, I'm trying to add a photo, just the way I've done it before and it won't let me. Keeps clearing the 'browse' box once I've selected my photo then click on ADD ATTACHMENT. The size was ok, under 400kb. Very strange. Any other way I can post up a photo?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 08:08:43 am
Hayley, I've had that problem with attachments before.  I ended up loading a photo into my Trade Me account (if you have one) or any other photo host will do and then copy and paste the link here.

I've been reading so many books lately, I want to read them ALL now!  I've got about 5 on the go.  My current is a guide to natural sleep (trying to sort out Nathan's problem since I follow BW and always have with him, he just has sleep disturbances/screaming triggered by something else).  The homeopathic remedy I've been giving him for the last 4 nights seems to be working though.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 08:51:14 am
Nikki, I know what you mean about reading lots of books and wanting to read them all now. I find the problem is you girls are much too addictive... you know your addicted when the library books are due to expire and you haven't even picked them up yet!!!!!

Sorry to hear that Nathan still isn't sleeping, it can't be easy for you. At least if the homeopathic remedy is working I guess that's a start. Can you stick with it indefinitely for now?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 12:09:54 pm
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To me that was done as a pay-back (and too right  :wink: ) which to me also translates to punishment for Zoe for snatching. 

YES!!  Very school-girlish of me eh?  I thought of this last night in the shower (I do a lot of revisiting the day in the shower ;)) and realized I was in a very "so there!" sorta mood and of course she reacted.  Zoe picked her flavour bar, Sarah seemed not to care.  I guess I could have stepped in and said "Hey Sarah, maybe Zoe would give you a taste of hers if you give her a bite of yours" and Zoe would have either agreed or decided against needing the bite in the first place.  I was nursing at the time - I find that a real trigger time for me because I don't feel like having to get up and get involved helping them, I just want to enjoy the time to SIT.  Anyway I get annoyed at saying things and being 'ignored' - it really bugs me.  I imagine this is something I need to solve for myself, their 2 & 3, it's their job to ignore me, perhaps it's something left over from my own growing up and not being listened to???  Who knows.  Anyway, Zoe had reached for the bar a couple times and stopped when I'd said not to without consent from Sarah.  Then picked it up and bit it all the while ignoring my insistence she NOT do it. :roll: 

So the nursing - also why I was so darn insistent she clean it up.  Usually if I just ask and let her do it in her own timing she will without all the fuss.  I've explained that if she leaves it too long (say overnight) that ants and bugs will attract to it.... so eventually she asked on her own if the ants would come to get it by morning... so she gets this and doesn't need my harassing her.

Interesting eh?  I wanted to blame her for the whole BIGness of the incident and yet it was MY reaction that set the tone.  So often that's it isn't it? *sigh*  another lesson learned for next time - and there's always a next time for trying again isn't there?

Thanks so much for your input.

I like the idea of letting them work things out and often have - but Sarah is in a real hitting/hair pulling phase when she gets frustrated with Zoe (who is in a real grab and dash phase with Sarah's things)  So Zoe often just sits there crying while Sarah stands there and hits her repeatedly or pulls her hair.  Finally today though Zoe did once get up and walk away toward me.  That's always my line "Hitting hurts people.  Your sister doesn't deserve to be hit" and to the victim "If it were me, I'd move away from someone who was hitting me"

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Judy, do you find it difficult to read the Discipline forum lately now that you follow UP?  I just find unless someone understands and wants to come from a UP POV, it would be hard to give advise.

Yup!  In fact I often don't even read over there anymore (you know how hard it is for me to keep quiet!!).  I get thoughts and worry that when I DO pipe up and give my opinion it sounds very judging.  It's very 'normal' to assume a child is wrong or spoiled and needs to be punished so coming at it any other way can be frustrating for parents.  I think I annoy people with my discipline input - or so I've thought in the past anyway.   It IS interesting though to see that people DO assume children to be motivated to do 'bad' things rather than being curious.   See now I'll be curious to go peak over there... and then I'll be compelled to reply to something....  Can you just guess that in real life I talk A LOT? :oops: :lol:

Andrea:  I haven't had AF yet.  Thankfully.

Not sure when the girls will go to 3bf a day... gosh I wonder if they'll ever wean!!  At night before bed dh often takes them out of the bath for me - since Sarah usually has jumped in with them.  So he'll take them and get them dressed and wait for me.  As SOON as they see me they start to fuss and whine and cry till I pick them up.  Same thing happens if I go out on a weekend shopping.  They'll be fine playing and I can come in and put stuff away but as soon as they see me and I talk to them they smile... then CRY till I pick them up.

Erin:  I'd go!  Especially if she's on bottles and dh can handle it all. GO and ENJOY!!

Should go get this day started.  We have a pedi/needle appt today.  :cry:  DH wasn't sure last night he'd be able to sneak out of work to help - yikes.. FOUR girls in a SMALL space where NONE of them will want to be...  I think *I* will need some chamomilla before this one.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 05, 2006, 13:11:53 pm
ERIN - GO TO THE PARTY!  I can imagine that it is a big decision but if you are comfortable, go, go, go!

Bec - How could I have guessed that your house would be all sorts of singing and dancing ect.. Also I would like to come to one of your parties!

Thanks everyone for the 'noise' input.
   
Did I miss something with the recipes as well?  I suppose I am onto making all finger foods as the purees are getting wasted.  I made mini ground turkey patties this week and Sophie LOVES them.  She doesn;t like chunkier purees either which I find weird.

Sophie LOVES all her bottles and I don't see her giving any of them up any time soon.

Kate - I too am glad for the heads up on toddlerhood via Nikki and Judy!  Sophie also has her nap book, one for chewing and one for reading.  The minute i sit in the glider and hand her her chew book, she flops onto me, starts sucking her fingers and chills out. 

Must run...'see' you all soon, I am cleaning houose today so we all know that means I will be on here all day long  :wink: !
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 05, 2006, 13:30:49 pm
really quick-fussy in saucer

Erin-go to the party, same reasons as everyone said.

okay-ANOTHER bad night.  slept 7-10:40 but heard him every hour grumble and resettle. 
10:40-11:40 pupd with him settling a few times but then waking again, held hand til 12:15-STILL no sleep, fed.
up at 2:15, held hand
up at 3 something-can't remember
up at 4, held him until 6.

okay, i KNOW this is not consistency, but WTF?  Hayley-no real cues.  Can't read this kids cues if you paid me. Also don't know his hunger or pain cries so truly have no freaking idea what i'm doing.  I'm nearing the end of my rope-truly am.  I had introduced yoghurt so I'm taking that back away today AND I'm cutting out my coffee (two cups) for a few days to see if that helps.  PLEASE LORD LET THAT NOT BE THE ISSUE.

read a very poignant line in BWSAYP last night something like "And sadly, some babies are still waking several times a night at this age".  PHEW, at least my lo is not a complete lost cause for sleeping through the night sometime.

anyway-he's very talkative in the saucer which is worrying me.  makes me think he's overtired.  who knows anymore.  i'm about to give up :cry:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 05, 2006, 14:24:48 pm
Aww Traci, don't give up!!!  I totally know how you feel  :(   We also had another horrible night here and I am very frustrated as to what in the heck is going on.  Is it hunger issues, teething, developmental, or him just trying to pi** me off????!!!!  I don't know any more and it's been going on for about 2 weeks (nowhere near as long as poor Cole though).  I don't know how you do it girl, or Ankie for that matter.  You girls are tough.  I would have moved out by then ... maybe I will have to soon if I don't get my 8:00pm -7:00am baby back  :(   
I feel really bad because I kinda lost it last night and I think I scared Carter and DH (he actually got out of bed .. I thought it was to help me but turns out he had to leave for work at 4:30am anyway). 

Well, cranky baby in tigger jumper so must go.  Will be back later to vent some more if that's ok ...

Is ANYBODY having good nights????  Sheesh  :(
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 05, 2006, 14:35:40 pm
okay, well i'm just going to stick to the clock it seems. I'm not going to think anymore.  I thought he was tired at 9 at 2:45 A time, tried to put down, nope.  tried at 9:15, nope.  9:30 he went down again, same as yesterday.  so naps at 9:30 and 2:30 and yes Hayley I'll try bed at 7 because 6:15 didn't seem to cut it last night.

okay i'm off to nap too.  i need the sleep and that way i won't make any coffee.

thanks for the encouragement Cathy. sorry you had a crummy night too.

did you see my post about double diapering or Huggies goodnights...DH could pick them up across the boarder.

cole peed through last night too because i fed him a couple of extra times.  strange though...even though he had extra milk he still had hard morning poops.  every morning his poops are rabbit poops :?:  :?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 05, 2006, 14:51:07 pm
Hmmm....I think that you girls want me to go to the party!  Katie generally nurses before bed and first thing in the morning, but she'll take bottles too, so that won't be a problem....though I haven't pumped in ages so I guess she'll be having formula for those too.  It will be interesting to see how much she takes, if nothing else! 

Judy - good luck at the doctor - yikes!  4 small kids in one exam room - and unhappy ones too.  (((HUGS))) for you in advance for that!

Andrea - no AF here either, though I have been having some AF-like feelings as of late - though I've never had a regular cycle in my life without the aid of some sort of hormones, so I'm no help there.

Cathy, Traci...and all you other bad night sufferers...(((hugs))) to you too.  Hope they get better.  We've been doing ok here lately (knock wood - or whatever non-jinxing thing you can think of) - Katie has always been a good sleeper, but I honestly could count the number of times she slept through in December on one hand.  Here's hoping January is a better month.  Oh, and Traci, I find when I'm confused that just going by the clock is the best way to do it.

Micky - I would drop the lunch bottle too if he's lost interest - that's what we're moving towards now....I've been starting to just give Katie water in a sippy with her lunch and it seems to be working out.

Oh, and Andrea - when I don't give Katie the noon feed, she's more interested in the 4 PM one. 

Karen - if you're sending out food recipes, send some my way too - I'm getting braver about this making food thing.  Yesterday, I gave Katie melted cheese on bread, rice, and chicken....and she LOVED every bite of it.   :D   Sam is one lucky little guy to have you cooking for him!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 16:04:41 pm
JO--thanks! Maybe we should get Fraser and Liv together sometime...they can be grumpy together! And thanks for the feeding tips. How did you go to 3 feeds, did you just drop one cold turkey?
KATE-- "where the deuce"? I've never heard that before, but I like it...cute!
HAYLEY--my dad joked about putting together a catalog (with his one item) and taking orders. So, I'll let you know if that happens. LOL
ERIN--You deserve a break sometimes, too, and who better to take care of your LO than Daddy.
ANDREA--sorry, can't help on the AF question as I've only had mine once since stopping bfing...and that was a couple of weeks ago. Are you on the pill? I am again, and I know that's supposed to regulate the timing and stuff...we'll see if that works. (Sorry, if that's too personal.)
TRACI---[[[[[[HUGS]]]]]]]] to you. You so deserve it! I can't imagine doing the night wakings for as long as you have...almost 2 weeks of it nearly killed me. If I could take him for the night and let you get some good sleep, I would!!!! For now, all I can do is send you HUGS and good sleep vibes.
CATHY--[[[[[HUGS]]]] to you as well...hang in there!!!

OK, I'm almost scared to say...we had a really good night last night (please don't hate me Traci & Cathy!). Liv fussed quite a bit when DH put her down at 7:30, but once she was down, she went right to sleep and slept until 7:45 this morning. She did wake once, about 11:30, but she had settled herself and was asleep again by the time I got in there. I don't know what her deal has been for the last 2 weeks, maybe it was just all the holiday chaos. I wish I had some insight to offer you who are still dealing with it, but I don't know what happened. (And who's to say it won't happen to us again tonight!)

I've noticed many of you are giving your LOs bread. What kind do you give? I want her to like whole wheat/grain bread, so I don't want to start her on white, but I'm afraid whole wheat/grain bread will be too course and she'll choke. What are you guys doing?

Well, better go check on the munchkin...have a great day all!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 16:34:02 pm
Nancy I give the girls whole wheat bread toasted (so it doesn't get as gummy and maybe then get stuck)  I wait until they have more teeth and are better with more chunky stuff before giving them grainy bread.  My older girls have never had plain old white bread.

Traci & Ankie - gosh I wish I had some good ideas for you two gals.  I know how awful it is to go without sleep.  I get really frustrated when I'm up and tired in the night.  It's not pretty! :(    Traci I think it makes great sense to forget the clock and stick with the 9.30 and 2.30 naps.  Afterall watching his A time isn't helping so at least - good naps or not - you'll know when nap time is and you can plan your day around that as much as you want.   And maybe moving to a later bedtime will help with night sleep - sounds like he's starting out the night with a good long solid nap then being very wakeful for the rest of the night.  Hopefully it all pans out very soon.  It's soooooo exhauting.

So the dr.'s went ok.  Dh managed to make it there thankfully.  I think I'm hard to please.  I find I'm always feeling disappointed in dr's.  This is my second pedi and I don't much care for my own family dr..  I switched to this guy because he's very knowledgeable and is an infectious disease specialist (found him at the hospital when Sarah was really really sick at 4months)  But I feel like he's bored with the day to day well baby stuff.   Today he weighed, measured and gave the girls their needles but when I asked about the older girls weight (I had weighed them and basically just asked what the avg weight was for their age) and he just said "they look like they're fine to me"  So I said "thanks, we'll see you at the one yr visit" and left.  *sigh*  Am I just difficult?  I'd ask DH but I already know his answer :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 16:51:16 pm
Oh I asked about homo milk and he said their concern with homo milk is the lack of iron.  If babies are taking cereal really well then it's not a concern because they are getting the iron through the cereal.  He said an alternative would be to give an iron supplement in the cereal too.  Then you'd know they weren't at risk of becoming anemic.

Does that help anyone?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 17:53:19 pm
JUDY--thanks for the tip on bread. The bread I buy for me is whole grain so it's got the nuts and grains and stuff in it. You're talking about just plain wheat bread, right? I suppose that would be OK.

TRACI--I started sticking to regular nap times about a month ago. I found that no matter what time Liv got up, she was ready for a nap around 10:30. So her nap times are now 10:30-10:45 and between 2:30 and 3:00. She seems to do well with that (even when she was waking at night on our vacation, her naptimes remained consistent, and she took fairly good ones). Hope it starts working for you!! ((((((((HUGS!)))))))))
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 05, 2006, 18:35:13 pm
hi girls!

so another dumb  :?:  if I'm dropping the lunch bottle I'm still technically giving 4 feeds a day right? Breakfast/bottle, lunch, snackbottle, dinner/bottle....I know it doesn't really matter but I'm just curious with you girls that are saying that you are doing 3 feeds a day.

traci: when we were trying to phase out feeding at night i took Jack settling at all as a sign that he wasn't really hungry.  When he was truly hungry he would NOT settle even for 2 seconds.  Maybe???  who knows though with these little ones.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 18:43:40 pm
Erin, yes go to the party!

Sorry for all you girls having rough nights still too!  Well we stuck to the plan last night, D woke at 4am, DH went in and resettled, all was good and he was back in bed in 5mins until N woke up screaming  :roll: , so D decided to join in  :roll:  - we bascially tag teamed them for 1hr  :roll: .  At least D didn't require a feed, I know she would have settled the first time great.  My problem with Nathan is he doesn't want me in the night  :cry:  - DH has always dealt with him since I was preggers, so he used to that.  Anyway, he got over it pretty quickly (after a short tanty) and was then asking for mummy when I did leave the room when he told me to go away.

Andrea, no AF here either, so can't help.

Traci, we stick with set nap times (I think I mentioned the other day they've changed), but we're now at 9.30 and 1.30pm.

Nancy, my bread advice isn't going to help, we do the gluten-free and it's almost like eating muffins, kind of heavy and crumbly. :?

Judy, pleased the dr visit went well and that DH managed to turn up to help.  I really have to build myself up to take my two to the doctors esp if we have to wait.  And last time Nathan was leaping around the dr's office and jumping and doing stunt rolls of the step stool.  :roll: - she thought he was funny, but then suggested I get a book on discipline when I asked about something to do with his behaviour - I wanted to rule out a medical issue (one of the evil types  :twisted: ).

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Anyway I get annoyed at saying things and being 'ignored' - it really bugs me.

I struggle with this too, so now I know I need to not put MYSELF in that position, because like you say, it's his job right now to ignore.  I know it's because I haven't been creative (or can't be bothered) enough to come up with something.

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Interesting eh? I wanted to blame her for the whole BIGness of the incident and yet it was MY reaction that set the tone. So often that's it isn't it? *sigh* another lesson learned for next time - and there's always a next time for trying again isn't there?


Yep, hear you on this. Hindsight huh?  I always think after a bad episode that at least it's a learning lesson for me and not to beat myself up over it. 

Karen, how about you post your recipe straight into Baby Recipes forum, did I read about another recipe you've given out that I missed?

Thanks everyone for the feedback about 3 feeds a day, I think I'll kind of wing it for now, if we miss it or we're out I won't worry about it, but if at home I'll offer.  Nathan was sooooo hard to wean his feeds at this age, but she's going to be a breeze.

Jo, that is interesting that Fraser is back to both sides, I also find Danielle does that too, so maybe we won't be far off completely going to 3 anyway.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 05, 2006, 18:47:52 pm
Nancy-I too give whole wheat bread toasted.  it is a bit choky if he doesn't get it nice and soggy...but he's getting better at it.  My friend's doctor gave her trouble for not introducing more chunky/textured food by nine months because she has seen some really bad cases where babies develop gag reflexes because they get so used to the soft mushy stuff.  HTH  Also-regarding Livs naps...how long does she go between them?  Cole woke at 10:15 today...so it will be 4.25 hours before he goes down again.  Seems long BUT the other day he slept 2 hours after 4.25 hours A, so we'll see.


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Traci I think it makes great sense to forget the clock and stick with the 9.30 and 2.30 naps. Afterall watching his A time isn't helping so at least - good naps or not - you'll know when nap time is and you can plan your day around that as much as you want.
thanks Judy.  I was just out running around and he started yawning and rubbing his eyes after 2.5 hours!  I was really hoping he wasn't going to fall asleep in the car.  Seems he's got a second wind going though as he's having a ball in his exersaucer now. 

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traci: when we were trying to phase out feeding at night i took Jack settling at all as a sign that he wasn't really hungry. When he was truly hungry he would NOT settle even for 2 seconds. Maybe??? who knows though with these little ones.
  thanks Micky-see, I interpret it that he can settle when I'm there, regardless if he's hungry, in pain or whatever but when i'm gone it's like he remembers the hunger/pain kwim?  hmmmm.

I have a week to get this little guy figured out.  DH starts his CMA course next week which will involve weekends again.  He is already stressing!  I will have to live with a stressed DH for 16 more months.  This designation better pay off.

okay-so cole is up to MORE crazy stuff.  I have an antique bench blocking the xmas tree.  he keeps dropping stuff behind it.  today he grabbed the back of the bench and pulled himself up til his feet were in the air.  thank goodness he didn't figure out how to put his knee up at the same time.

he also almost launched himself out of his saucer.  he's on the last height now.

okay-getting mad at me...gotta go.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 18:48:04 pm
Micky, I'm currently do 4 feeds - 7am,11,3,7pm.  When I go to 3 she'll merge the 11 and 3.  Looks like you maybe do an extra in there at the moment, so yes you'll go down to 4 - did I get that right?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 18:50:11 pm
Traci, I'm with Micky on the settling signs.  If Danielle is quiet AT ALL, she's not hungry with or without me there so if gives me the nerve to follow through on the no feeding rule.  If she's hungry she would still be fussing and telling me to hurry up.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 05, 2006, 18:56:32 pm
Morning!
Judy - My dr. pi***8 me off on a regular basis but have fun trying to switch MDs in BC.  I almost had to bribe him to take DH on as a patient. 

Traci & Cathy - I stand in awe of you.  Don't give up, just think about how strong you are and how prepared you'll be in the future to handle more rough stuff.

Richelle & Bec - I love energetic babies!  Sol is more of a watcher and only lets it rip at home. Picturing Sophie doing face dives in the tub cracked me up.

Nancy - I've been a little apprehensive about offering bread.  Keep us posted about how Liv takes to it. 

Been reading more about discipline lately. (Thanks for roping me in Nikki & Judy)  and found this article that says there are 3 basic discipline styles.  Power Assertive, Love Withdrawl and Induction. The later emphasives  on teaching children by giving them explainations and how that helps children be more empathetic.  This really struck a cord with DH. (he actually read the article  :shock: )  His parents were very dictative with the 'my way or highway' approach.  Him and his brother still call their Mom by her pet name; Mom -Mussolini! He has a hard time being empathetic to how I'm feeling sometimes if I'm being "difficult".  Let's face it sometimes I rant and rave like a raging bitch over loosing a pair of undies in the dryer.  His first reaction is to become defensive and personalize my reaction.  And if he happened to be the one doing laundry he immedietly trys to deflect blame. 
I found it interesting and got me thinking about how so many choices I make for Sol may tie into and impact his relationships in the future.

Whew!  Talk about the wait of the world.

Here it is if anyone wants to read it.   
http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/child_behavior/behavman1.html

To everyone with waking babies. Sol just woke up from another 45 min nap. :evil: Spent over an hour doing PU/PD for nap #2 yesterday.  Woke up 3 times during the night but I refused to get up for 2 of them.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 19:14:17 pm
Thanks for that Roz it was an interesting read.

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Caregivers vary in the demands that they place on children. Some adults establish high standards for responsible behavior, and they expect children to live up to those standards. Other adults, however, place few demands on children and seldom try to control children's behavior.

And this is still quite subjective I've found, because I USED to think I didn't have too high standards compared to other mothers I know and was on the lower end.  Yet, when I read about UP, I realised I was still expecting too much and have since lowered them a lot.  It's because society in general tells us (and our experiences) where the bar sits - look at the majority of discipline books/tv programmes out there.  So if that's the "bar" then I was lower than that, but not low enough.

Thanks for that.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 05, 2006, 19:17:08 pm
Such a bad Mommy!  I stuck in a Baby Neptune video from the library.  It's his first time watching 'kid' TV.  I hope I don't create a monster. :? I put it in to get a chance to eat some breakfast.  I missed my chance cause I was on this site.  And of course I'm right back on it.

Just wanted to give a progress report.  Sol is now pulling up and standing on anything and started waving goodbye yesterday!  Yay little big man!

We dropped the after lunch bottle about 2 weeks ago cold turkey.  He just wasn't interested anymore.

Ok, bye. I know I'll be back.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 05, 2006, 19:24:42 pm
Traci - I am reading BWASAYP, pg. 242 through 249, I am not sure if you have read it or not or re-read since Cole's trouble started but I suppose you are so tired and frustrated it is hard to remain objective.  Here are few things I have summed up from reading the book ond your posts regarding Cole.

 :arrow: In the book Traci explains how one certain thing at this age can start a horrible snowball effect of sleep problems, from teethin, to food issues, to seperation anxiety, to a big scare or change.

Most likely one thing for Cole changed to effect his sleep and the remedy for said thing didn;t work once another milestone got thrown on the pile.  For example, it could have been the introduction of a certain food that caused gas, which I ALWAYS mistake for hunger in Sophie, and booby would help calm Cole and his tummy, then all of a sudden his teeth are coming in and the booby doesn;t work for teeth.  Then Cole learns to pull himself up and gets stuck which really helps get mommy there when his tummy and/or mouth hurt. 

So, all that said you know that Cole has nigth wakings and there are probably a different set of reasons for him to be waking up, therefore perhaps instead of trying to figure out what it is that is causing it and trying to fix that - maybe start from scratch in teaching him all over again how to sleep.

I was surprised in re-reading BWSAYP how to  adapt PUPD.  Here are some points I found interesting.

When he cries for you, go into his room, but wait for him to stand up.  An 8 to 12 month old can often settle a lot more quickly [/i]out of your arms.  In fact, in most babies over 10 months, I just do the PD method without picking up.  I think that Cole is so advanced physically, he has a skill set of an 11 month old physically, that this part does in fact include Cole.

Each time wait until he stands all the way up before you lay him back down again.  Then ...lay him down immediately the exact same way.  reassure him with a firm hand on his back.  At this stage you start using your voice even more b/c they understand so much.  Also name his emotions, "I'm not lweaving you, I know you are frustrated/scared overtired".    I thought this was imporatant b/c you said Cole will settle with a hand on the hip, therefore I think that is probably not an accidental parenting issue as long as you are reassuring him vocally.

When you've done PUPD to the point of your child's beingable to settle fairly quickly, it still may take 2 or 3 days (or longer) for you to get out of the room. 

Then it goes on past this with a couple of pages titled;  8 months to a year case study:  Multiple problems, One Plan

I won't quote it but I found the example very good for a strategy but obviously the problems don't resonate with Cole but still maybe give it a read if only for the strategy.  Pg.246 to 249.

I think it is great how indepth the book is re. PUPD but as an exhausted mom I think it would be a bit overwhelming.  The main points from the book, taken from the 12 reasons PUPD WON'T work.

1.  Your baby should be at least 4 months old

2.  If he is older than 6 months and doesn;t settle just place a hand on his back.  If that doesn;t calm him THEN do PUPD.  Also pleas note that you PU then IMMEDIATELY PD.

3.  It often isn;t just the sleep a parent needs to adjust or look at it is the whole day, including mainly food and activity. 

4.  PUPD has to be tailored for your child.  Also PU is only a response to a genuine cry not a mantra cry.  A frustrated baby is not a baby that needs rescuing but a baby that needs help.  It is OK for your baby to be frustrated as long as your are there teaching and reasurring.

5. PUPD needs to change as your baby changes, ie.  you hold a 4 month old until settled, 7 months and beyond you put straight back down.

6.  Parents have to try and keep there emotions out of it.  You muyst remain confident and consistent.

7.  The room must be sleep ready

8.  PUPD works differently for each child's temperment.  For spirited and touchy babies it takes alot longer.   

9.  One parent or partner is not ready, everyone helping needs to be on board that is going to help. 

10.  Basically the same as 9, I think she is just trying to drive home the point that you will need help and support from understanding parties.

11.  Your expectations are unrealistic, PUPD is not magic but a way to condition a baby to sleep and self soothe.

12.  YOu get discouraged and don;t stick with it.  It is VERY important to chart your progress, whether it be 2 minutes better ect...

Also very interesting is on pg.  260:

If it takes a child half an hour to go down doing PUPD yo will probably get a 3 hour window, so be prepared if you strated at 7 to do it again at 11:30 and 5ish

In another example it talks says you may have to do PUPD for over an hour and will only get 2 hour stretches of sleep for the first few nights so be prepared to get some shut eye when he is sleeping but you will see improvements even if only minor after the 1st few nights, which will I'm sure feel like eternity but maybe it is worth it?

Finally on pg.263.  There is the PUPD Survival Strategies.  I NEED to get back to house cleaning so I will leave it for you to read but maybe if you typed it out and printed a few copies and stuck them up in his room or by your bed or on the fridge it will help.

Anyway I am not sure of any of this is helpful but it sure has helped me procrastinate on this god awful house cleaning!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 05, 2006, 19:35:17 pm
Hey, girls.  Just wanted to check in and give big (((Hugs))) to Traci and Cathy and a high five to Nancy (with the mandatory anti-jinx dance, of course!)   :wink:

I just tried to put Ryan down for nap # 2 since he was giving the cues, but he had none of it.  I think he was just bored and I misread him.  Got him out of the crib and brought him up here.  He is now going through the garbage.   :oops:   He started making these happy sounds, looked down and he's sucking on a light bulb.  Lovely!  Luckily, it's the office garbage, so no food or anything, but still.  Gross!  (You'll notice I am not stopping him, though.  Whatever it takes to stretch his A time for a later (and hopefully longer) nap!) 

OMG...just scrolled down to see who I missed and I think I missed an entire page.   :shock:   Sorry if I seem rude and didn't comment on anything.  Guess I should go catch up...or maybe pay attention to the light bulb sucker.   :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 05, 2006, 19:58:55 pm
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Woke up 3 times during the night but I refused to get up for 2 of them.
Roz...does he settle fairly quickly if you don't get up?  Also, I think it was you a couple of weeks back he wouldn't let you leave the room, and you stood further and further away until you were out the door.  What do you do?  Reassure him with your voice?

Richelle my dear-you are so very sweet.  I think you put more thought into getting Cole to sleep than I do.  You are right, I do need to start from scratch.  I am trying to think back and maybe it was that darn zucchini that started it all but who knows.
I have read that section over and over...but thanks for the reminders.  I guess because I don't know his cries I just end up doubting myself. Obviously at his age I should expect it to take a long time.  I guess when it takes 20 min. at bed I don't expect it to take over an hour in the middle of the night kwim? 
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i was able to do this at 4 months...but somehow now it seems harder. maybe it's the odd mamaaaaaaaaaa that he says or just that his cries are so much louder now. :oops: oh ya, and about the reassuring hand...that's where all this started...because he reaches out and holds my hand and i think it's become a prop.  i try to just touch his legs once he's nearly settled himself but last night i gave in again. and i've been letting him hold my hand for naps.  i'm okay with that as long as he gets his nights sorted out (apparently they use a different part of brain for naps and nights so it's okay to use different soothing methods-per weissbluth)

okay, so i have been totalling waffling until now.  I MUST do this for my sanity.  thanks again Richelle for the reminders and the motivation to do something about it. 

Roz-I forgot
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His first reaction is to become defensive and personalize my reaction. And if he happened to be the one doing laundry he immedietly trys to deflect blame.
This is how I react.  I wonder what style my parents used.  I don't remember being punished.  In fact if anything they were too loose with their discipline.  hmmm.  something to think about. haven't read the link.  hoping to get to it tonight.

girls-DH going to basketball tomorrow so i am chatting for sure.  woo hoo.  i need to hang out with my posse!

oh ya-cole went down at 2:32.  we came upstairs at 2:20 for some quiet time...about 10-15 minutes later than i used to before nap.

gotta go get some shut-eye if i'm to be prepared for tonight.

OH-Judy-about the homo.  going to call my ped.  that seems silly. Obviously then people would want to do homo with iron/cereal supplement...so much cheaper than formula and tasted WAY better.  hmmm, makes me wonder.  thanks for the input though.  the girls starting homo soon then?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 05, 2006, 20:08:32 pm
Kate - While I was posting my novel, jeez that was long and did it even make any sense?  Sorry Traci I tried, I too missed a bunch of posts!

Judy - MD's tick me off aas well, the only thing I like about not having healthcare is that here I am more a customer to a doctor and can pick and choose whom I get the best service from.

Roz - Sophie LOVES BE and watches a video once a day, so you are definately not a bad mommy!  Or maybe I am just a worse mommy  :wink:  8) !

Nancy - I buy whole wheat dinner rolls.  I find if I get the small ones they stay moister than bread and end up having the sort of soft side easier to bite/chew ect...

I really am cleaning the house today  :oops: , I am almost done...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 20:18:42 pm
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OH-Judy-about the homo.  going to call my ped.  that seems silly. Obviously then people would want to do homo with iron/cereal supplement...so much cheaper than formula and tasted WAY better.  hmmm, makes me wonder.  thanks for the input though.  the girls starting homo soon then?

Let me know what your pedi says.  I don't have any plans to start them too soon.  They're just 8months so I wouldn't start them on milk before 9months at the earliest and even that... not sure I'm ready for...  I want to do what's best for them and not just what's most convenient for me - although with two I don't think bottles is convenient at all really.  And now I've just been bitten on each nipple as I type this so maybe I need to rethink that statement ;)

Nikki how do you not put yourself in the position to be ignored?  Try not to say much in the first place?  I think getting out to the dr's first thing has just sent our whole day into a tailspin.  I'm in an easily frustrated mindset, the girls are seeming to be in the frame of mind to just stand and yell at each other :roll: and play with all the noisest toys (was it really MY idea to get them a play toolset with play drill??) and bang non-stop on things.  So much for asking them not to be so loud because I have a headache.  Seems to be motivation for them.  They were chasing each other down trying to get markers.  When I suggested Zoe ask Sarah to let her know when she was done with hers Zoe apparently didn't like this option and took her marker and coloured my kitchen cupboards - washable thankfully.  SO after asking Zoe to clean it up Sarah though it would be a good idea to use her marker to colour the drawers.  Right now Zoe has stolen Sarah's tape and Sarah's chasing her crying.... Zoe has not stopped running and turned around pointing this freakin' drill at her trying to scare her.  It's working.  I'm just sitting her feeding...  the reason it's NOT a good idea to put my head through the wall?????  I already have a headache so don't give me that reason...  Knock me out?  This would be bad because???? ;)

And I say to myself - 'it's all good it's all good it's all good'

Well look at that - they've stopped yelling (thank heaven's I though my head might explode) and are now working together on whatever it was one of them was trying to do in the first place (I snagged the freakin' drill -  I think the batteries need to go missing on that stupid thing.  They're going to successfully waste an entire roll of tape - do I care?  Not at all so long as they're not screaming at me or each other.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 20:35:13 pm
Judy, the number of times DH comes home and I tell him I could have bashed my head against the wall I can't count.

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Nikki how do you not put yourself in the position to be ignored? Try not to say much in the first place?

I smack his little ar$e!!!  :P  JK!  No, you're right, it's about not making a request that I *know* is going to be heard by cloth ears.  It is about thinking about what I want the outcome to be and coming up with another solution (you know this stuff :wink: ) to get the desired result - creativity, heading it off before it kicks in.  But, that is so much easier for me because I only have one at that stage and a baby that doesn't mind being plonked around as needed so I'm never really tied to a spot.  I know my biggest frustrations and triggers are when we get into a battle of wills (aka not listening to me or doing as I say aka not UP).  I really, really struggle with it still.  Even if I was to give the UP way a big kick in the ar$e and go back to the other methods, it wouldnt' be any better right?  In fact worse for all of us.  I look at this as falling into a bit of the 80/20 theory - we get it right 80% of the time and the other 20% we just have to learn from - I kind of think there's always going to be a 20% because the scenarios take a shift and turn constantly.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 05, 2006, 20:58:21 pm
hi girls!

ok I need help.... :roll:  I was trying to make cheesy toast for Jackson and it turned into charcoal toast!  :roll:   I am thee worst cook!  That's not even cooking!  I burnt his spiral pasta the other day by letting the water boil down to nothing! :roll:  YOIYYY!!  My mom would be laughing hysterically at me because she is the best cook ever! Karen can I fly you here to give me lessons!  :shock:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 21:41:40 pm
Well, after I considered dropping to 3 bottles a day, Liv CHUGGED her lunchtime bottle. So I guess we'll stick with 4 for now, but I have a feeling it won't be for too long. Thanks for all the input.

TRACI--Liv is usually up 2.75 to 3 hours between naps. If she goes down at about 10:45 she'll usually sleep till about 12 or 12:15. Then she'll go down around 3 or 3:15. If nap #1 is short and she wakes at 11:30, then I'll put her down around 2:30 or try to stretch her to 2:45.

ROZ--yeah for Sol!!! I will keep you posted on the bread if and when I get the nerve to try it.

KATE--thanks for the high-five (and the anti-jimx dance...you are too funny!!!)

MICKY--you are too funny. I must admit I've burned cheesy toast, but I can't say I've ever burned pasta!

You girls crack me up....thanks for the laugh. Now off to get some "me" time before nap is over. Uh-oh, I hear someone stirring....CRUD!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on January 05, 2006, 22:26:09 pm
HI girls!  Thanks for all of the hugs after my rant. 
Nancy-thanks for the work advice...it really helped me feel better. I use whole wheat bread and find if I toast it too long it gets too hard.  Lots of problems with choking about a month ago and now he is doing much better.
Roz-How are you doing on the work front?  I also consider going back to work but know that I would rather be at home.  I am currently looking at working a bit more part time for an educational consulting business.  Do you have any options to work part time?
Judy-I say get a new ped. if he is being such a snot.  You are going to be in there for a few years so why not like the person whom you trust with your dearest ones.  Love the drill story and so glad they worked it out on their own.  I bet your kitchen looked beautiful with their art work.
Andrea-I was a teacher.  I am still working once a week for 4 hours metoring new teachers but it is nothing compared to what I used to do.  I really enjoyed working with parents and volunteered for different committee so I am missing that too.  How is your business coming, we are all ready to do some shopping!  My AF came about 3 months ago and I got it 2x's in 5 weeks.  Haven't seen it again for about 5 weeks.  I found that it came when I dropped a feed a while back. I am curious to see what will happen when I go down to 3 feeds.
Richelle-I was asked by a woman in the store what was wrong with Ben because he was so loud.  I told her that he inherited some great lungs and happy genes.. arggg
Karen-sometimes I pump if Ben is pushing me away so much or wait 20-30 minutes.  Sometimes I let him jump on my lap a bit then reapply the nipple. Also he seems to have a tough time if he has been playing with DH and then it is time to eat.  We have to go to the back of the house to
feed before bed and even then he is distracted by DH's noises.
Kate-I too am having a hard time coming to the realization that BF will be done soon.  I am sad to have to drop one in the next few days.  We will be here for you when the time comes.  For now lots of cuddling while BF right?
Hayley-ok I forgot to put in my disclaimer about working out at 5.  That is the only time I can fit it in without getting a babysitter.  Dh is at work at 6:15/I so want to be with DH when he gets home at night so I only go once a week in the evening.  My bump is going down but it is still lovely!!!!  I do know that they do disappear because my kick boxing instructor has had 3 babies in the last 4 years and she is rock solid.  OF course I am sure she works out like crazy.  Maybe if I pinch it enough it will disapear :roll: I know it was long ago when MILF got brought up but I was asking Dh last night about the acronym for the tummy fat used by guys.  I kinda got the area wrong.  He told me that it is a FAP  which is fat above Pu**y I know I am very foul mouthed today.  ANYWAY it is really the area below the tummy fat that FAP is referring to.  Sorry if this was too much but I was laughing so hard about it last night I thought I needed to share it with all of the ladies.  enough
Everyone with sleeping stuff I am wishing and praying it goes away soon, VERY soon.
I will be back later hopefully.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 05, 2006, 22:27:53 pm
Quote from: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle
I smack his little ar$e!!!  :P  JK! 

ROTFLMAO :P :P

Too funny.  Yes it's all about being prepared and thinking up other options ahead of time (or after the fact for next time I guess)

Micky what exactly do you mean by "cheesy toast"?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 05, 2006, 22:28:09 pm
ok girls.....what do you think??  Is this still okay to feed to Jack?

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Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 22:28:09 pm
Hi, you know you're addicted when.... you get a spare keyboard out of the cupboard so your DS can tap away like mummy does!!!!!!

Lots to write but not sure how long the keyboard entertainment will last, so here goes.

Traci good on you for trying to stick to a plan, I know it's not easy when things are going wrong to be consistent, cos you keep coming up with things that might help. But try the new times for a few days and who knows what might happen.

Nancy what did you expect? Of course now that you've made a decision Liv is sure to test it.... LOL as you say, she'll probably change back in a day or so.

Roz Daniel has had bread for a while, usually toast though. It's always been white bread, but now we've got a breadmaker I thought I might try him on some slightly grainy bread that DH made. It''s not very grainy at all mostly just white with a few little little grainy bits. I'll let you know how it goes.

Micky I think I might be able to beat you in the worst cook competition. I followed a recipe the other day which for some strange reason involved oil in a microwave (sweet potato brushed with oil, zap for 2-3 mins) looked like an easy yummy recipe for Daniel. WELL.... we had flames, big flames in the microwave and no sweet potato left, just black charcoal!  :oops: What I can't understand is why it happened, I followed the recipe! Note to myself, don't use oil in the microwave again. For the next few days everytime we used the microwave it stunk like smoke. :roll:

Oh, someone wants me. Better go. Talk later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 05, 2006, 22:33:09 pm
Micky - ROTFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: OK so you win .
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 05, 2006, 22:40:16 pm
MIcky please tell me you didn't put the cheese in that toaster  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  OMG my electricity phobia - you are giving me a heart attack  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 05, 2006, 22:54:50 pm
Well Judy there is your visual on cheesy toast from Micky.  My take on cheezy toast is melted cheese on toast?

ROTFLMAO Micky - that is fantastic!  I LOVE to cook, always have.  DH loves it and it is one of the greatest perks of my new role!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 05, 2006, 23:03:40 pm
LMAO Micky!

Macaire, loved your come back to the person who asked about Ben being noisy!  :lol:  8)  And I've never heard of a FAP!

Judy, now here's my question for the day.  :wink:  So, we go to coffee group this morning (these are 4 mums and kids from our pregnancy class).  Anyway, they are all of the "other" form of discipline (one is a known smacker but not in public  :twisted: ), today was reeeeaaaallllly bad!  I just don't bother "going there" with explaining my way, because I'm just not like that for one, and two, I kind of take the stance that it's not my business what they do (unless I saw a parent beating their child, which has never happened).  One of the girls hit Nathan (I didn't see it), he didn't care and carried on, one mum pointed it out, the mother of the girl rushed over and DEMANDED that she apologise (over and over for about 5mins), I was thinking, eeek, what now (I'm sitting in another room BFing), there was a battle going on between mother and dd.  Thankfully the girl apologised, but my god, I know I wouldn't have wanted to under those circumstances.  I didn't say anything, but should I have?  If that were me and Nathan hit (he just doesn't do that stuff, so I haven't been confronted with it) I'd just go in there and "model" the apology but not demand it and if he did he did but if not I would just move us on.  Now, I'm thinking that would go down like a lead-balloon with these women and would be thought of a lax mother - do I care? Well, yes some.  :oops:  WWYD?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 23:13:13 pm
No time to catch up right now as trying to get "chores" done while lo naps.  But Micky.  Oh my!  very interesting cheesy toast I'd say!  :lol:

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MIcky please tell me you didn't put the cheese in that toaster    OMG my electricity phobia - you are giving me a heart attack
And Bec-you are so darn funny!  waht is it with this electricity phobia you have????
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 05, 2006, 23:32:36 pm
How's this for a list to Target?
ziploc bags
polivisol
infants tylenol
condoms
silverware

I feel too old to be buying condoms, esp. with my 8 month old daughter in tow!  Need to get back on the pill  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 05, 2006, 23:50:28 pm
15 minutes into the pm nap!  Shhhhhhh, don't jinx it.

Traci - yes that was me doing the back out of the room thing.  I only reassure Sol when I'm beside the crib and when I start moving don't talk anymore.  By that time he is calm(ing) or playing .  If he does start up again I move a little bit closer but don't speak since my voice seems to fuel his fire.  He usually settles within 5/6 minutes but if he starts wailing I go back, do PD and start all over again.

Judy - I'm glad this episode of 'In the life of' worked itself out.   :wink: I love the play by play. Looking forward to your response to Nikki's question.

Sol just woke up.  He's been crying for about 2 mins and is winding himself down.  Don't go in, don't go in...

Richelle - we've got a true BE fan.  Sol couldn't take his eyes off it and talked to the characters through the whole tape.  I got stuff done and he had a blast.  I think once a day will be no problem at all. :D

macaire - I don't really have a part time option.  We made an offer on a house last week and got it!  Now I'm stressing about the mortgage.  I'll make more money running a Family Childcare out of the house than going back to my teaching job part time.

Micky - OMG you kill me!

Still crying.  Dang, I knew I was going to jinx it.  Why can't he get past this 20 minute mark?  Did anyone have any success with Wake to Sleep?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 00:05:41 am
OMG ladies....I was trying soooo hard to catch up with the ten or so pages I missed but I am basically out of time and have to go pick up the lo.  I will go back and read later.  It's not so much that I feel obligated...I just don't want to miss anything!!!

Thanks for the shouts out!!

You know you are addicted to BW when you keep thinking about the thread 24/7 when you can't get on to read and say hello. 

Had kind of a crazy start to the week...Tuesday am, alarm didn't go off...which sort of made everything spiral out of control for a few days...weird how 30 minyutes or so can make such a huge back up...
Ugh...my life is like bad traffic on I-5...how's that for a realization.

Then, Tuesday night, dh says..."you need to take a break from BW for a night"  Like it's HARD or something...it's like my spa time :)  He just doesn't get it... :)

Anyhow, I did..he obviously needed a little time...uh oh phone...brb :)

So anyhow, last night I got caught up with laundry dishes etc etc...and got to bed on time so that I could get up to go running before work this morning...

I am a 5amer too!!!
So tonight I said screw work for a minute.  I am BWing before I go home :)
More from me later...just lovin' you ladies from afar for now at least....you know I'll be in the chat tomorrow. 
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 06, 2006, 00:18:14 am
hi Hannah - nice to hear from you - hate it when the alarm doesn't go off

Judy - cheesy toast = I put a piece of cheese on a piece of wheat bread, stick it under the broiler, and take it out when the cheese is melted - Micky, I'm guessing, forgot about it until the cheese was WAY past being melted -- sorry you don't like your ped - the one in the practice that I love did the following for her 9 month checkup - weighed, measured, etc - handed her back to me so she was on my lap and then proceeded to kneel on the floor so he was eye level with Katie and do his entire exam, chatted for a bit about milestones, encouraged continued BFing (we all know I need all the encouragement I can get) and we were done

Micky - I say Katie has 3 milk feeds (2 BF + 1 bottle) and 3 solid meals  a day.

Nancy - YAY (anti-jinx vibe)

Roz - YAY on the house!!!!  So exciting!!!! 

Andrea - I hate buying things like pregnancy tests, condoms, etc -- I feel your pain there...

Have to run - unhappy, poopy, tired baby
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 00:19:15 am
Yeah Hannah!  It's good to hear from you!  You are crazy getting up at 5am!! :shock:   I went on my treadmill today for the first time since about August!  I only lasted about 15 mins.  :lol:   

Anyways....I'm really not THAT bad of a cook I just always seem to forget that I have something cooking...hence the burning!  :D  :lol:   I'm lucky I remembered I put some sweet potato in the oven to roast...it was in there for an hour  :shock:  :roll:   but it will be just right for Jack...NO, it's not burnt, I did remember to brush it with some olive oil before I stuck it in the oven.  :roll:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 00:22:48 am
oh yeah !

Andrea: I hate buying condoms too....always a bit embarressed....i feel like they are thinking "Oh, someones gettin' some tonight!!" or that they are going to phone my parents and tell on me!  :roll:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 06, 2006, 00:30:21 am
ROTFLMAO Micky!!!! Too funny!!! On the other hand, if you don't want to change poopy nappies for a week.... :wink:

Bec, what's an electrical phobia? Do you only have candles in your house? Do you not do toasters and kettles? You obviously do computers!!!

I will post on the baby recipe site if you like but it was basically recipes for Hayley to try with Daniel, lots of different ideas. They are mainly from Annabel Karmel as her recipes are the best! I had people for dinner that night and made one of her pasta recipes. I read recipe books for fun so I have a stack of them and like Richelle, I love cooking. It relaxes me and I can switch my brain off...

Welcome back, Hannah! Missed you.

Oh and peds who are not interested in children should not be peds!!! Children are my favourite patients! 
LMAO at PAF, never heard of it Macaire!!! I almost fell off my chair!

Andrea, I have had AF back for 4 months and they are all over the show..cycles vary from 28 days to 35 days! On the plus side, has done wonders for my PMT...I don't get any.

Congratulations on the house, Roz!! I would send Sam to your home childcare.

Hayley, I think you may have fueled Bec's electrical phobia with your microwave story! :D 

Sam has wholemeal toast from bread I make in the breadmaker. He has it with no spread as I find the vegemite to salty plus it smears EVERYWHERE!! No white bread here.

Thanks for all the advice on BF. I figured out the problem. One of my boobs does not work. It is the one I offer first at bedtime and there is just nothing there! Worked it out last night as I offered a bottle instead and my right boob was sooo hard and leaking this morning and the other one...nada. What do I do now? Might go ask Annamum. Maybe need to pump but no readon why it would suddenly go on strike. Sam has always double side fed. Any ideas BFers out there.

Naomi, got your card today but it was addressed to Holly and Brady. I knew it was meant for me, I hope!

You are all too kind on the moderating but with work and this site, I just don't get time. Wish I could help though!

Did anyone want me to post recipes on the Baby recipe site? I have PM'ed Micky and Erin the recipes I gave Hayley.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 06, 2006, 00:42:57 am
Thanks Erin for the cheesy toast info.  In my mind that is what cheesy toast was but when Micky sad she burnt it - I like Bec - kinda worried that she put it in the sideways toaster. There was a gal on here a few years back now who asked for help making grilled cheese - she was putting cheese between 2 pcs of bread and then putting them in the toaster (not toaster OVEN, toaster) and couldn't figure out how to do it without getting cheese IN the toaster.  I didn't even reply b/c I kinda figured all hope was lost for her. :lol:

Nikki - I know how you feel.  You feel so bad for the little girl, and from the outside looking in you can SEE there's not learning there anyway.  And if it were Nathan doing it - Oh gosh I so know what you mean... the approach we'd take is NOT what other's are looking for.  I have a friend who gets together with another friend and her friend's 2yr old boy hits her (my friend's) 2yr old.  My friend is always telling me how he beats on her dd, how he doesn't say sorry and he's just plain BAD and that his mom says he's bad and doesn't know what to do.  So I try to kinda say small things like "I think it's common to assume they are being mean when really they aren't, afterall hitting a table makes noise, hitting a cup of water makes a splash and hitting another kid makes a smack and a cry"  It's just sounds and learning and such for little ones.  But I know she expects a timeout be given and demands for apology. I agree with your thinking that you would model it FOR them and if they chose to apologise too great but if not so be it - they've seen it and will figure it out someday.  I know if it were ME, being caught doing something I didn't necessarily intend (hurting someone) and being confronted in front of others, no matter how nicely I likely wouldn't WANT to apologise or even BREATH for 10minutes.  I'd just want to sink away and not be noticed, so how nice if my mom did all the work for me and still hugged me and loved me.  BUT I doubt that would win points in the short term from other moms.  It's hard because you DO worry what other's think of you because that DOES reflect what they think of your children.  Let's hope we're never in that situation (dream on right :))

I'm so glad today is over with... good sleep hopefully and tomorrow will be a better day.  My MIL is coming for a visit - I used to not look forward to those days.  Before Zoe my MIL & I got on great.  I'd call her just to chat and vice versa - if Chris answered she'd ask for me ;)  Then after Zoe came I was VERY possessive and annoyed by her comments that she wanted to take Zoe home with her or she was HER dolly etc. etc.. but I've now seem to have gotten past all that and she is a great source of help to me.  As I've said, life can be insane and she's chuckling and relaxed.  :)

Coulda used that today...

Ok so back to cooking.... I used to be a really good cook but since having kids I get so distracted and often forget things are cooking and burn a lot of things.  DH often says "your cooking just isn't what it used to be" :roll: but he's right.  I set a timer most of the time now whenever I'm cooking.

Someone tell me how this happens... 1.5hrs ago Sarah was so tired she was yawning, crying every time she tripped which was a lot because she was so tired, barely could stay awake.  So we quick get supper in her and now she's wandering the house singing Dora chants while dh is reading stories to Zoe in their room (she's escaped)   Oy!!  I really think I should just go to town for a coffee :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 06, 2006, 00:54:36 am
okay, no time right now to read but I have to post Qs for Holly as she still can't get online.

Her DH has offered to do some bedtimes and wakings until 10pm. He just can't do middle of the night wakings because his job is very physically demanding.  Anyhoo-would it be confusing for Brady do have DH do bed and some wakings and then Holly do the rest?  I know Tracy says to switch off two days at a time, but maybe that's just at the very start of pupd and doesn't really matter now.

Holly's having a rough go lately. got about 1 hours sleep last night and she really really misses us.  she's supposed to get a new modem in the mail today, so we'll see if she's back soon.

there was another Q from her...dang, i can't remember.  OH YA...Michelle or anyone else.  When Molly gets her ear infections she just screams for a long time, right?  Brady apparently was screaming from something like 10pm-4am last night.  He just got over a cold.  Should she go to the ped?  sounds like ears to me.

took 30 min. to get cole down tonight BUT only about 3 minutes of that was crying.  He settled 3 times but popped back up at the 8 minute mark.  went to sleep at 7:30 so we'll see how it goes...oh-and I didn't hold his hand.  YAY!

hoping to be back later but DH needs the desk
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 06, 2006, 01:14:38 am
OK, baby has  been bathed, PJed, and fed and is now (hopefully) on her way off to dreamland...

Judy - was rereading my last post and I totally lost my point - what I meant to say is that I do love my ped and I'm sad that since we'll probably be moving this summer I'll have to look for a new one and hate to be reminded at how many yucky ones there are out there.

Andrea - I was going to add, I always try to go through self checkout lanes when I buy stuff like that, as otherwise it is usually some 17 year old boy ringing up my purchases which makes it even worse.

Traci - not sure about PU/PD and different people - post on the forum maybe?  I personally don't think it would make a hugs difference, but you never know.  As for ear infections - my ped said to watch for if they're more comfortable laying at an incline (like in an infant seat) instead of laying flat as their ears drain when they're flat - also crying while nursing/drinking from a bottle, and the obvious one - crying while pulling at his ears.  When Katie had her ear infections, we could also see some drainage from her ears.  My God, if he's up for 6 hours straight I would think it was to be SOMETHING requiring a ped's attention.  Send her some ((hugs)) from us please!
Hooray for Cole going down well!

Karen - thanks for the recipes - been thinking of getting that book so it's nice to have a preview of sorts.  I have no clue about your non-working boob.  Maybe your best bet would be to post on the BFing forum as the ladies there always seem most helpful and knowledgeable.  Or look on kellymom.com as I notice that being a reference they cite frequently. 

Anyway, my sister was her today with my nephews (2.5 years and almost 1 year).  My older nephew is pretty much the definition of spirited and being in our house with all the toys had him all wound up - which translates in him to aggression usually - so he kept pushing, hitting his brother - it's so hard for my sister when he gets like that - she's always full of the "if you don't stop, we're going home" sort of thing, but she does try to help him understand that what he's doing hurts the baby, she'll try and remove him so they can chat about it in a different environment that's less stimulating and she's super good at reinforcing his positive behavior - I never know what I would do in her situation, but with all our discipline talk I do find myself thinking about it more and more.

Ok, enough rambling....have a pleasant day/night all!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 06, 2006, 01:26:58 am
karen, sorry about that, it was for you but boy, it is like I have no brain anymore......
I have gotten Jayson's recent sniffle, hit me like a tonne of bricks, not bad going seems I have missed the last few he has had.
I am not going to be too long as I need to crash so I can get some sorta rest tonight....one more day till the weekend.
I completely out of whack with everyone, things have been moving along so fast lately.
Karen I apologise again for the mess up with the cards, I must have gooten way off of track as that night I had about 30 cards to do.....
OOOO OOOOOO, so this little miss of mine has all of a sudden developed a very cheeky sude to her in the past little bit, so I put her in bed, she is awake, no fuss so I just left her, about 10mins later when she does atart to fuss, I go in and find her at the end of her crib.........STANDING UP HOLDING ONTO THE RAIL.......WTH........she only just mastered her turtle paced crawl last week.....
I will talk to you fine ladies on our chat tomorrow, is it then or am I completely out of whack here........
Take Care you hotties!!!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 06, 2006, 01:30:24 am
Erin, I've come to the conclusion that I'd deal with toddler agression differently if it was with another child vs a sibling - because to me there is a totally different thought process going on.  Haven't really got there yet though, Nathan's not aggressive with others at all, and not even with Danielle but will occasionally give her a little push or something, but not aggresively.  Like Judy said, I just hope I'm not faced with that one anytime soon (yeah right!).

Traci, I'm not sure about pu/pd either, but in my experience, because Nathan's always had DH respond during the night he doesn't like me going in there (yet I'm ok doing any before 10pm).  I think it could set up expectations of it only being done one way, so maybe her DH do it for 2 early evenings running and then Holly do the 3rd.

I think 6hrs straight of crying is a cause for concern too.

Judy, I remember hearing that story about the cheesy toast! :lol:   And thanks as always for your insight on the UP.  It is nice to be able to have the daily chit chat with someone else on the same wavelength.  And it is SO nice when Nathan does come out with a Sorry, Thank You or Please on his own, he's no further behind his peers on when he started doing it spontaneously (he just doesn't do it all the time and most times I model it back to him on his behalf).  The best thing is knowing that he actually feels that way.  Today I gave him some sort of food that I know he really likes and he didn't ask for it, and seeing the joy and the response was just lovely.  I know at some point we all do the curtesy thing because "that's what we do", but badgering the politeness into him is just making him say words and not actually feel it anyway.

Good to hear that MIL's visit is looked forward to - my MIL hasn't even mentioned coming to visit and MEET Danielle yet!  :roll:  Heck, it's easier for her to travel the 1HR flight than us DRIVE 10hrs!! :twisted:

Karen, did you post those recipes, over to check it out.  The ped that Nathan saw for his coeliac didn't seem to like kids either - weird!  He had no respect for him, whipped him up off the floor, pulled his pants down, lifted legs, had a poke and prod WITHOUT warning or chatting to him.  :x  I tell ya, if I was paying for him I wouldn't go back, but he was my referral.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 06, 2006, 02:00:29 am
Must dash as dh needs the computer for work.  (What is it with these guys?   Don't they know we need access 24/7?   :roll: ) 

LMAO at Micky's toast.  I, too, thought you did it in that white toaster.  Must admit when you all first started talking about cheesy toast, I thought about my toaster, then quickly realized that was wrong.   :oops:   Never tried it, though.   :?:   After you cook it, do you still cut it into long, thin strips?  What about crust?  That's what I've been doing with toast.  Whole grain wheat, by the way.  Not crunchy, but it says whole grain, so I figure that's cool. 

Traci, I'd say Holly should call the ped. for sure.  Yikes!  6 hours!  I bet she needs a whole boatload of cyber (((hugs))).  Can't wait to get her back!  And, I think her dh should do some of the night wakings.  I think it's more a problem if she is in the middle of one and then dh comes to releave her.  You have to start all over again.  But, if they are taking separate wake ups, we have had no problem doing that.  HTH

Karen, that's weird about the boob strike.  I've heard of babies going on strike, but not boobs.  Go to the BF forum, for sure.  They know their stuff over there!

Judy, I say go get that coffee in town tomorrow while MIL is there.  Imagine the aroma of the shop and the blissful quiet of the cappuccino machine.  Ahhhhhh!  You deserve it, girl!

Naomi, hope you are feeling better and yeah for Miss Riley. What progress!

Andrea,  :lol: at your list.  That'll be me in a few weeks.  I like Erin's idea of self-checkout.  I'll mentally file that one. 

We had a great day with naps.  Ryan stirred after 45 mins. of Nap 2 but then went on to sleep for 2 hours!  I guess the longer A time worked.  (I had kept him up licking light bulbs, in case you missed it).   Moral of the story:  Let your kids eat garbage and they'll sleep.  No, the real lesson for me is boredom cues can seem like sleepy cues, so make sure it's not the first. 

Okay, I hear dh coming up here.  Must go for real.
Lots of love and hugs to you all!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 06, 2006, 02:13:33 am
Judy - just mentioning to DH how you manage to BF both girls and type on the computer at the same time. He'd like to see a picture of that!! LMAO!  I just laugh my head off at most of your posts...your sense of humor cheers me up on even my darkest of days - Thanks!!    :lol:

Micky!!! OMG girl!!! You wanna come over and I can show you how to use a toaster?? ROFLMAO!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Macaire - I've never heard of a FAP (too funny) but the term I have heard from guys around the office is GUNT. It is the fat between your "gut" and your "____" (hate that word, it is truly vile, I cannot even say THAT word). Men are sick though.   :wink:

Roz - we too have recently introduced BE and Molly loves it! We only have the one about seasons...but it is so bright and colorful I'm sure she'll be addicted soon!! Everything in moderation I always say.

Andrea/Micky - LOL at the condom buying discussion. I don't mind the actual purchasing of them, it's the standing in the middle of the aisle trying to read all the brands, check for sizing (LOL), check the pricing (make sure I'm getting my money's worth!), compare lubricated/non lubricated/ribbed/non-ribbed etc... that really gets to me! Can't they just make one kind and be done with it. Same with feminine hygiene products!! Really, do we need 10 different brands, sizes, colors and smells to choose from??  :shock:

Holly via Traci - yes, get Brady to the doctor!! Poor little guy, those ear infections are brutal! It is apparently also worse at night/nap times as they are laying down and the pressure is pressing on their ear canal?  It is so hard to get in to see my pediatrician here that I end up taking Molly to a walk in clinic just to make sure it is an infection, get the antibiotics started so that she gets some relief. Then we end up see the pediatrician a week later. Switching over to my family Dr. for Molly anyhow I think. It's crazy that you have to wait a week to see a Dr. when your child is sick!!   :twisted:


All this talk of what everyone is feeding their LO and Molly is still only on pureed foods!!  She has NO TEETH so I am scared to give her toast or chunkier foods for fear of her choking. Any suggestions?? Or should I go ahead and give her toast etc...and just watch her carefully?? or wait until some teeth come?? I read where Traci mentioned about babies that aren't given chunkier textures by 9 months develop bad gag reflexes?? Help from anyone with toothless wee ones...??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 06, 2006, 02:21:56 am
thanks for the input for Holly girls.  I'll call her tomorrow.  Just tried to call and she's in bed (9pm) so good for her.  I do know her MIL came over today and she went to chiropractor and massage therapist. 

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Moral of the story: Let your kids eat garbage and they'll sleep. No, the real lesson for me is boredom cues can seem like sleepy cues, so make sure it's not the first. 
LOL-totally agree-cole was yawning/rubbing eyes after 2.5 hours of A time this afternoon...if i were home i might have put him down by mistake!  gosh-makes me wonder how long cole has been ready to go longer??

so girlies...it's been nearly two hours asleep and I've heard some shifting around but no real noise. :P   i'm heading to bed now just in case it's a tough one tonight.  I'll let you all know how it goes in the morning.

little rant-DH is still not reading(he's watching tv), then he'll stay up until 1am  and then say he's too tired to take cole in the morning :evil:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 06, 2006, 02:34:32 am
Michelle, Danielle still has no teeth either.  I kind of figure even if she had a few front teeth it's not like they chew up food with them, she still manages to take bites of with her gums and then gums up the rest.  Start with super soft things to get your confidence (avocado, pumpkin, brocolli) and you'll see how she figures it out.

Gotta go, Nathan's woken up from his nap.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 03:09:30 am
Judy!  :lol:   No, I didn't put the cheezy toast in the toaster.  I had toasted the bread first and then melted the cheese on top in the oven.  I'm not that bad in the kitchen....although my sister is!  :shock:  :lol: My biggest problem lately is putting something in the oven or on the stove and then coming to read the latest posts and then forgetting about the stove.  :roll:   Darn website is way too addictive.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 06, 2006, 03:56:21 am
Not much time to post...must go get some sleep. My (and DH's) NY resolution (one of them) is to go to bed earlier. I'm hoping that will help me get inspired to get up early and work out...probably not 5:00 a.m. (MACAIRE and I forget...someone else), but maybe 6ish or so. I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one struggling with post-baby weight still. I SO had the wrong idea about how quickly it would come off, and now I'm starting to get discouraged. 

MICKY--thanks for posting the pic of the cheesy toast...it made my night!!

I am with you guys on the buying condoms thing. I'm always afraid I'm going to run into someone I know...like from church or something. I don't know why I'm worried...they'd probably be glad I have a sex life.

Well, off to sleep...hoping EVERYONE has a good night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 06, 2006, 04:03:37 am
Michelle yes!!  Tell your dh I will post a pic of me breastfeeding the twins later tonight.  :)  NOT!! :lol:  Just what I need - my boobs hanging out all over the net!! :)

Zoe didn't get her first tooth till 9months and I'd given her toast from about 7.5months on.. and cottage cheese and cheerios.  She gummed them up just fine.

Traci If I were Holly I'd call the pedi.  Definitely sounds like it could be ears, especially coming off a cold.  And with dh and her switching off pu/pd through early evening to night - we do it.  Whoever's available goes in. Of course after we're both in bed seems I'm the only 'available' resource :) 

Kate just chuckling chuckling chuckling (about the toaster thing)

Naomi was Riley pulling up to stand prior to this?  Gosh I haven't even moved the girls' cribs down yet.  They try to pull up but have only been successful if holding my fingers and I help pull them up... yikes.

Hey what do all our babies weigh?  My girls were weighed today and they are 15lbs 2oz and 15lbs 8oz at 8months.  They've only gained 2lbs since they were in three months ago - gosh we're not going to make the 20lbs we need at a year to turn their seats around.  LOL  Zoe was 21lbs 8oz at this age!!

Ok wanna hear a funny?  I was about to hop in the shower tonight when Sarah (still awake :roll:) popped in for a pee.  So of course I'm naked and well we chatted about hoo hoo's the other night right gals and as I mentioned I do the full shave every couple days.  Well she's sitting on the toilet and I'm standing there talking to her (it's a SMALL bathroom) so she's eye level ... anyway... she says "oh looooook, your gina has dirt on it.  Gotta wash it off!!"  (stuble) :roll:  So I agreed and then crouched down for the rest of our conversations

Off to sleep.... WHY do I stay up till 11 every night???  Every morning I curse myself for this!!!!!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 06, 2006, 04:09:58 am
ok - here's a pic dh took last month of the position the girls' feed in.  It's hard to feed when people are around because they are always coming off and looking around like this :roll:  and if there's blanket on (anytime there's a guy in the house) they either try to pull at it or Z or S grab it (they don't understand the need for privacy)  Tonight Sarah came up and Hannah had pulled off and she says "ohhhhh, your nipple, baby squished it!" all concerned.  LOL
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 04:54:44 am
OMG...I am totally LOL at this whole cheesy toast thing...and I haven't even seen the picture...too many pages not enough time..the GUNT...too funny and a little gross too!) ...buying condoms...I can't remember what all else...all I know is that I feel like my parents just moved and I had to change schools and all my friends are still at the same school having a grad old time while I am off at my "new" school called WORK! Ugh! 

I am really starting to enjoy my students....although I do have some real challenges.  One of my kids is "Oppositional-Defiant" and has Asperger's Syndrome (sp?)  ...OK this is flashing me back to Ankie's post about Arwyn's Short Nap Syndrome.  I want to read UP just for reference for my teaching/discipline style.

BTW teaching is a whiole new game now that I am a parent....soooooooo much more empathy/ compassion etc..and I thought I was really over the top in all of those areas before.

Love the breastfeeding pic!  You are somethin' else Judy!

Hugs to Holly.  Hope she gets it sorted.  Sorry now great pu/pd advice here.

Thanks for all of the bum rash advice.  She is starting to clear up and still has the four top teeth all coming in..they've mostly broken  through but I am thinking that could be the "cause" of the rash? 

So I ahve been having Amy (child care provider/friend) give Sophie the sippy with formula after nap #1 but she's really not taking much from it, maybe an ounce or two.  Should we be offering her a bottle if she doesn't take it from the sippy?  Or just assume she is basically "dropping" this feeding, still give the afternoon feed in a bottle and use the am "snack" feed as a time to get her to take the milk from the sippy?  Any ideas?

I am so excited about chatting tomorrow....I need a good belly laugh :)

Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 04:56:19 am
How could I forget??!!

dirty gina???

ROTFLMAO!

Kids say the darndest things! :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 05:23:04 am
OK I just HAD to go back and read, and check out the burnt cheesy bread..tooo funny. LOL

Traci and Cathy and Ankie sooo many hugs to you girls.  I hope you are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnels... and anyone I missed who is having sleep troubles.

Andrea, AF is really weird here too.  I need to keep better track but I just got it today and it seems really way too soon.  Hmmm.  Does it ever go back to normal? (pre pregnancy) 
OK I am so done.  Bed time. 

And Bec...ROTFLMAO at the electricaphobia :)

Hannah  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 06, 2006, 05:58:36 am
Judy, ROTFLMAO at the dirty gina :D  :D   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 06, 2006, 06:00:28 am
Oh and paeds who do not like children should not be paeds!!! Children are my favourite patients!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 06, 2006, 08:27:39 am
Hi Everyone,

Here is a big wave from Halle - TA-TA !!  We are in the middle of packing for our little holiday. So I am just popping on to say goodbye!! So don't everyone talk to much while I am away OK????????????  Look after yourselves and your lo's and I will catch you in a week  :D  :D

ooh ooh and if anything really exciting happens to you - don't post it until next week  :roll:  :roll: Yeah right !!!  LOL

hmmm I might just find an internet cafe somewhere........................
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 06, 2006, 09:13:52 am
Hi grils

ROTFLMAO @ lots of things, including gina, still the toast cracks me up, Bec thinking we'd even consider not writing much for a week (yeah right!), buying condoms and other things I can't remember.

I'm about to go to bed as I'm tired and yawning and can hardly stay awake. Again, Ankie and Traci how do you do it????? But wanted to let you know we had another cry free day with Daniel and his eating. I think reinstating the 3pm bottle helped, although fo Daniel it's at 4pm when he wakes from his nap. He even ate my own cooking again (left over roast mushed up).

Those of you who have got Annabel Karmel's book, which one do you have, there's a few available and not sure what to get cos all of them they have to order in for me. I want one that will 'last the distance' not just suitable for now.

Traci, good news about Cole going down, that sounds like a big step. Now that you know he can do it, hopefully it will make it easier next time. Send  my hugs to Holly and Brady.

Hannah, I have heard some babies won't drink milk from a sippy. Can Amy give Sophie the bottle for a few days to see if the quantity is consistent or sippy induced quantity.

Still getting cards which is great, Naomi's and Bec's in the last couple of days. Thanks.  :D

That's it from me, hopefully I'll be able to make the chat tomorrow.

Night night ladies.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 06, 2006, 12:55:33 pm
TRaci - Sounds promising I hope you had a good night. 

Bec - AWWW, shucks we're gonna miss you, a whole week?

Judy - ROTFLMAO, dirty gina!  Sophie is scheduled to go to the ped. for a 9 month check-up, needle.  I even called after I read your post and I am going in at 9 months.  So, no idea what Sophie weighs but she is pretty solid she was 19lbs12oz at 6 months so I imagine she is at least 21 or 22lbs.  When people say ohhh can I hold her DH and I always chuckle and wait to see how many minutes until they start to show the "holy sh!t this kid is heavy" signs.  The girls seem like a good size to me that is 30+ pouinds of baby you're hauling around ect...pheww!

Holly via Traci - I sure hope she has gone to the ped.  better safe than sorry.  I really hope she is able to get some rest.  Poor girl big hugs!!

MIchelle - Sophie didn't really start using her teeth until she got her front 2.  She now takes bites of everything and lets the rest fall out of her mouth and giggles, more a novelty than a tool I think!  I would think Molly would be fine but like Nikki said start with softer stuff. 

Hannnah - I was getting worried, glad you are back!  I don't know about the sippy, Sophie barely uses hers at all, only after supper and it seems to be more of a toy than anything, she is guaranteed to get hiccups 5 times out of 10 after supper :roll: from sucking all the half air half water.  I have never put milk in it though, just water.  I should probably offer it more.

I know James (where in the heck is Lisa) has all of his milk from a cup but is anyone else very vigilent with the sippy?

Kate - Garbage before naps, check!

Hayley - When you say you mush up the roast what exactly do you mean mush.  Do you blend it?  We had roast for dinner last night too!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 06, 2006, 14:06:50 pm
Whew ... so much to catch up on!  I was such a zombie yesterday that I didn't get to read very much but this morning I am feeling much better!!  So, Carter went to bed after we had a meeting with a potential day care at 9:00pm ( a bit late but ...).  ANyway, I heard him start to cry at around 11:30 (just after I went to bed ... had to watch ER!!) and he settled himself.  Then I woke up every hour but Carter was still sleeping!  Go figure! I could not for the life of me get to sleep last night.  It was like I was waiting for him to wake up and he never did.  So even though I got no sleep I still feel better knowing that Carter made it through the night!  YEAH!!!  I actually had to wake him up at 8:00am!!!!!  DH left for work at 5:00am again but we actually turn the bathroom fan on (acroos the hall form Carter's room) to drown out the noise of the dog being fed and DH getting ready.  I couldn't believe it!  Totally hope that I am not jinxing myself ( doing anti-jinx dance ... Kate's right?!).  His naps were 1.5 hours and 2 hrs yesterday as well.  When I looked back in my journal, I noticed that all the nights he woke he had meat for lunch and not for dinner.  But when he slept through he had it for dinner.  Wonder if that helps make them last through the night?  Who knows?  Carter usually only wakes for hunger reasons (for the first 7 months of his life anyway).  He slept through every night except for 2 nights at 3 month growth spurt and 2 nights at 6 month growth spurt.  Is there a 9 month growth spurt that I didn't know about??  He did grow out of his clothes really quickly?  I must be dumb not to have realized he was having a growth spurt  :oops:  :roll:

What size clothes is everyone's lo wearing these days?  Carter is mostly in 12 mos stuff (the length fits but the waists are too big).  For shoes though he is in size  5 or 12-18 months for Robeez.  This kid has his dad's huge feet!!!

Andrea:  I with you on buying condoms.  Dh doesn't like to do it either and will just buy whatever he grabs.  I tell him that he has to actually read what he is getting!!!  As for AF, I am still ebf but I got mine back at 2 months, lasted for a month then nothing for 2.5months then I have had 3 fairly regular ones.  When I dropped to 4 feeds a day they became even more regular.  Usually I have a 25 day cycle and am currently at like 30 days or close to it (sorry if tmi)

Micky: LOVE the cheesy toast!! Did you try some???  LOL  :D

Macaire and Michelle:  FAP & GUNT ... too funny!  Didn't even realize there was words for it!!!  Nice ... guys think of everything.  Maybe we should come up for words for their um ... problem areas!!  Unless there are some and I am just out in the woods!!!

Judy:  ROTFLMAO!!!  Dirty Gina!!!  :D  The things they say!!!  You should tell her that when she is older!!!  Makes me look forward to the toddler years ... just a little bit though!!!  Oh and Carter is currently 18lbs 7 oz and 30in long.  He is a long skinny baby!!!

Richelle:  Carter LOVES his sippy cup!  It is a 4oz cup and he empties it atleast 4 times a day.  I usually only put water in it because that's all he gets besides bm (breast milk not bowel movement !!! :D )

That's it for me ... sorry long post!!  Looking forward to tonight's chat!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 06, 2006, 14:45:00 pm
Cathy - WHat kind of cup is Carter using?  Does it have a vent in it or just free flow?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 06, 2006, 14:58:30 pm
CATHY--SOOO glad for Carter! I find that when I've been up with Liv for a few nights, I keep waking up once she starts sleeping through again, too. It's like my body can't fully relax b/c it's in OK-have-to-get-up-any-minute mode. I think there is a 9-month growth spurt, isn't there? YOu might check BWSAYP if you have it.
And Liv is wearing 12-18 months clothes (yes, she's my little Chubbs!!)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 06, 2006, 14:59:35 pm
OK, I don't know what happened to the rest of my post, but here it is again!

We had another good night last night...Liv slept the whole night through. (Looks like things might be back to normal [insert anit-jinx dance here...for you, KATE!]). She only had a 30 min nap yesterday afternoon, but she had 1.5 hr in the morning. I'm wondering if I should start waking her up after an hour in the morning so nap #2 will be longer. Does anyone else do this?

TRACI & ANKIE--I hope you had good nights. Hang in there!

JUDY--At her last dr appointment (7 months), Liv weighed 24 lb, 1 oz. I'm sure she's over 25 by now. (RICHELLE--we don't have to wait for the "this kid is HEAVY!" expression. Most people say it as soon as they pick her up.) Great pic, BTW...I am amazed at you!

HANNAH--sorry, can't offer much advice on the the sippy. Liv takes water from a sippy with her meals, and she loves it!! She's never had milk or formula in it, though.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 06, 2006, 15:22:30 pm
Nikki - I will give toast a try on the weekend!! Have to be brave, have to be brave...!!  She does eat Cheerios and puffed wheat, cottage cheese, yogurt so she has had some things with more texture. I may also try the avocado, heard babes love that one.

Judy - thanks for the picture, you just slay me!! And "dirty gina" OMG, how hilarious!   :lol:  :lol:  From the mouths of babes...

Hannah - so nice to hear you are doing well back at work, enjoying the kids at least!

Bec - have a good little holiday, we'll miss you!! I will tell Molly not to cut any teeth or crawl or anything until you are back OK? :wink:

Cathy - congrats on Carter getting back on track. I too can't sleep when Molly goes through the waking a ton at night stage then finally settling back into the usual. Strange how our bodies adapt isn't it?? Like before Molly I NEEDED at least 8 hours sleep or I would not be able to function at all...now if I get 6 hours I am ready to do cartwheels down the street!!


Molly is still doing well at daycare. Yesterday she only napped 45 minutes the entire day, then another 45 minutes when we got home. We put her to bed at 6 am and not a peep out of her until 4 am!! She stirred for a few minutes, fussing and grunting then back to sleep until just after 5 am. That was it though, I left her in her crib playing, hoping she would go back to sleep but no go. DH just took her to daycare and I asked him to tell them to put her straight down for a nap when she gets there. We'll see what today brings. She is happy when she gets there, smiling at the caregivers and looking around as if to see what friends are in yet!

OK so now weight and height and clothes and shoe size?? Molly was 17 lbs, 14 oz at the Doctor on December 27th. Height is about 27 inches I believe. She is still in the 0-3 month Robeez (teeny, tiny feet) and clothes size is all over the map. I put Children's Place jeans on her yesterday that were 0-3 months but some other pants are 12 month (needed for the length, the waist is quite big). I find sizes are just so inconsistent for little ones.

Yes, where the heck is Lisa anyways?? Liiiiiiiiiiiisa....come back!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: M&M'sMom on January 06, 2006, 15:39:13 pm
Okay too many things to laugh at....
Cheesy toast- nice attemt Micky- a picture worth a thousand words, and worthy of a big ol fire truck!

Judy - dirty gina - AWESOME!! ROLFLMAO!!!  I just want to give you a high 5, a pat on the back, a foot rub or something for BFing as long as you have with K&H... from a mother who tried and was very unsucessful after 6 1/2 weeks... KUDOS TO YOU!!!! ( I know I have said it before, but seeing the picture reminded me)

Cathy- congrats on a great night sleep!! OMG on the 12-18 month Robeez!! I cant imagine his feet -post a pic would yah!!!

Michelle- Molly sounds like she's doing awesome, that will make your transition back to work go smoothly!

Well as for the girls clothing size and weight, still in some 6-9, but we need 12-18 for the length... they lost about 1/2 lb with the flu over Christmas, so at their SHOTS yesterday (which they did amazing at! no fuss no muss the whole time after! just a little cry when they got them!)
So they weight : Mais- 16lbs 14 oz, and Mak - 16lbs 11oz.. they are 27 1/2 ", still in 0-3 month Robeez... just like Molly little feet!!

must give the girls their cereal- they slept in 730 ( they have enjoyed 630am the past few days, so I didnt even believe the clock when I saw the time!)

oh almost forgot- enjoy your holidays Bec, see you soon (at the internet cafe Im sure!!!)

take care, jods
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 16:49:53 pm
Hey you all....quickie from me...
So, about the sippy cup thing, I guess I felt like I was supposed to try to get her to take milk from it so that eventually she would be driking milk from a cup and not a bottle...KWIM??
She likes to drink water from it but won't drink much milk...hmmm...
I have been reading about weaning them from a bottle to a cup at 12 mo. but they still need so much milk...what to do??

Maybe I am just causing issues for myself by thinking about it too early.

OK, off to teach my kids how to spell told and try :)  Words of the day :)

I might be a bit late on the chat tonight, maybe a half hour to an hour...hopefully someone will still be there. 
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 06, 2006, 17:35:41 pm
Hannah - told and try -- do you have an alphabetical list  :D ?  I'm all into teaching reading to dyslexics, so I always look at how phonetic things are.  Anyway, we've been working on the sippy and I've just started to get Katie to take water out of it.  I finally had success using the reuseable/disposable ones from "The First Years" because they have no valves.  Figures, the cheapest things work.  Oppositional-defiant, that's a fun one - I find more or less ignoring them works wonders (if you can of course, it all depends what they (and the rest of your class) are up to. 

Judy - LOL at Sara.  The twins are SO cute!  Kaite was 18.5 pounds through months 7-9.  I think she's put on more weight now, I have to weigh her and see.  Anyway, I think she was about 28 inches - her feet fit in the 9-12 month shoes nicely.  She's in 9-12 month clothes, but they're getting a wee bit short, as I have to jam her legs into her PJs these days.  Time to move up - for some reason, it always takes me forever to realize that I should feel like I'm breaking her leg when I'm shoving it in the pajamas. 

Cathy - What do you give for dinner when you don't give meat?  I know cereal is supposed to be very filling as well.  I think there might be a 9 month growth spurt, but I'm not sure.   

Michelle - I'm sure Molly will do well with toast.  Even though Katie has teeth, she seems to use her gums more anyway.  Glad to hear Molly is doing well in daycare.  They adjust so fast, don't they?  Bet she's glad to see you when you pick her up.  And gunt!  The things people think of (ok, I think that I just sounded about 85 saying that - land sakes, what will they think of next?!)

Nancy - About your long nap/short nap - do you think she needs a longer nap than the short one?  I don't mind if Katie takes short naps if she wakes up OK from them.  If she does need a longer nap, I would try waking her after an hour to lengthen the other one. 

Bec - have fun!

Traci - how did the night go?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 06, 2006, 18:00:52 pm
Hello girlies,
No time to read and respond... I am pages and pages behind. Premature diagnosis on the Short Nap Syndrom though (thank God... only happened on the same friggin' day as the Extreme Multiple Night Waking night :roll:  figures.)

Posting what I have been so busy doing... please... if you have not yet sent your Christmas cards and pics, I'd still love to have them!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 06, 2006, 18:02:37 pm
2 more pages... still space for more pics, ladies!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 18:04:09 pm
Erin--it's Rebecca Stitton's Spelling...it's a list of the most commonly used words (high-frequency).  It just so happens that told and try were next to each other :)

OK, gotta go shuffle some papers or work or something. 

:)
Hannah

You know your addicted when....
you seriously considered showing a movie today so that you could catch up with your thread :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 06, 2006, 18:05:49 pm
Ankie--that is absolutely wonderful!!!  You have inspired me...not only to get mine in a book but to send mine too  :oops:

Thanks!
H
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 06, 2006, 18:28:51 pm
Ankie - OMG that looks fabulous!  I finally checked my mail yesterday after almost 2 weeks and picked up a stack more cards. Thank you everybody.

I've been LMAO all morning reading these pages.  I think the strange force affecting the lo's has spread to their Moms! :D Can't wait until chat tonight!

Nancy - Way to sleep Liv!  I'm also trying the toast thing this weekend.  Sol only has two teeth and  puked up big chunks of mango after being tossed around last night.  (oops)  Got to cut them smaller but we have no gag problem here.

So glad your enjoying your class Hannah.  I can live vicariously through all you teachers.  I think there are about 4 on this thread right?

Size wise Sol is in 12 - 18 mnths for pants (got the Bajan belly) and everything else 9 mnths and up.  Last weigh in he was 19lbs 10oz at 7 months.  He doesn't feel much heavier and actually looks like he's leaning out with all the moving he's been doing. 
Traci - He's doing laps too.  Sometimes crawling sometimes sitting up and spinning in one spot.  8) Too cute.

So I decided I'd extend Sol's A time again and watch for tired cues before putting him down for the am nap.  Well after 3.25 hrs and no signs of wearing himself out I put him down.  It was quiet almost instantly.  That's all I'm going to say about it. 

Time for breakfast!  See you later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 06, 2006, 18:35:52 pm
Hannah and Erin, gotta teaching question for you both (and any other teachers) with reading.  Do you favour phonics or sight reading?  I've heard the merits of both.  I'm not that clued up on how ours schools here go, but gather it might be more sight reading but have heard that can put kids at a disadvantage for actually learning to read unusual words - thoughts?  Hannah you mention high-frequency words, so I take it those are sight words? 

Bec, have a great holiday!

Judy, that is so funny with the dirty gina.  :lol:   Weightwise, Danielle's only just hitting 8kg (16lbs??), she's normal length and is just into 9-12mth clothes with baggy waists.

Michelle, go for it with finger food, I'm sure Holly will do fine.  Danielle even ate roasted carrot sticks last night which surprised me.  Actually her first finger food which I feel totally comfortable with were brocolli florets - and quite large and she'd just munch off a bite - I did tend to overcook them a bit though.  Yay, for Molly doing well at daycare.

Ankie, love the pics.

Hannah, re milk after weaning, I have different ideas on that, so not sure if you really want to know?  Anyway, I didn't offer milk to Nathan to drink, I just add it on cereal, lots of yoghurt, cottage cheese, cheese etc - give it as a replacement serving rather than in milk form (and this was actually ok'd by our well-child nurses but not many people feel comfortable doing this since it's breaking away from the norm  :wink: ).

Looks like there were a few good night sleepes out there!  We also had a good one from Danielle.  I heard her wake around 3.30am and chatted to herself for about 10mins and then before I know it I woke at 5am with an earthquake which fortunately didn't wake either of them (although Nathan had been up screaming about 3 times during the night still  :roll: ).

BBL
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 19:29:07 pm
An Earthquake Nikki???  Does that happen often??  You say it so casually!!  :shock:

Ankie: love the pages!!  I don't know how you find the time or the energy!!

Yeah for all the good sleeps!

Jackson is 19lbs 16oz at his 9 month checkup and I forget his height...he's short (only 10% are shorter then him  :roll: ).  He is generally in 9 month clothes and 9-12 month shoes.  I think size 4 shoes.  Although some of his tops are now 12 month size.  His head is gigantic...I think 4T  :roll:  for hat size.  It is 50cm around!  Hopefully lots of brains.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 19:30:12 pm
oh yeah,
and Jack drinks all his formula out of his Nuby bottles kindof a step down sippy cup and drinks all other liquids with a straw.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 06, 2006, 20:34:34 pm
oh yeah one more thing!

THANKS KAREN!!   I'm gonna try and make the recipes this weekend...and hopefully not burn down my house!  :lol:  :roll:  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 06, 2006, 20:43:22 pm
Micky, I absolutely LOATHE earthquakes - they scare the shi!t out of me!  It was only a little jiggly one though.  Unfortunately there is a fault line running right through this country and I've also chosen to live in the most prone areas.  :roll:  Never had anything too horrific though, just waiting for the "100yr disaster" they keep telling us about  :shock: .  In fact after it happened I went into mini panic mode wondering if my emergency survival kit was up to date - of course it wasn't as today is shopping day and the cupboards were empty.  And of course I live near the sea so always worry about tsunami's now...

Maybe I should live where Karen is (in fact I did for 8yrs) and was my happiest because they DON'T get earthquakes.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 06, 2006, 21:26:13 pm
Ankie - those pages are beautiful - made me teary (though what doesn't these days :D )

Hannah - I've heard of Rebecca Stitton somewhere in my travels....

Michelle - I lurk shamelessly on the TTC board and pregnancy forum and notice you've got a niece/nephew on the way - congrats!  Is she your sis, or your husband's?

Nikki - Higher-frequency usually just means the words you'll find most often, though sometimes it can be limited to just non-phonetic words.  My take on reading (and I'm going to try to be brief, as this is what I love to teach...).  Most research that I've read says that for something like 80% of kids, they're actually going to learn how to read no matter how you teach them, as long as they're exposed to lots and lots of print.  For the kids who don't, everything I've read and everything I've seen points to the fact that you need to teach with phonics or those kids just aren't going to learn to be effective readers.  For our kids - we read to them, we expose them to books, we model good reading behavior (I'm assuming here, but I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption  :wink:)  - they'll learn to read unless they have some sort of reading disability (which has FINALLY been scientifically proven to be brain-based - it's cool they can actually "see" how dyslexics' brains are different than "normal" readers on MRIs now).  Phonics is important in learning how to spell as well.  Kids with reading disabilities have to be taught using phonics or they just won't learn.  OK, enough, I promised to be brief....but here's a startling statistic for you all....

Good readers - read 20 minutes a day - 1.8 million words a year
Average readers - read 4.6 minutes a day - 282,000 words a year
Poor readers - read less than 1 minute a day - 8,000 words a year

You get better at reading through practice - the differences are amazing! (This actually applies to school aged children, so don't worry if you don't read to your babes 20 minutes a day!) OK, I'm really done now!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 06, 2006, 23:28:28 pm
Hi, interesting stuff Erin, I know I was never one for reading but I'm hoping to encourage Daniel to read lots. We've read to him before every nap since he was 5 weeks old.

Ankie, what you've done with our cards looks amazing. I wish I had the creativity and enthusiasm to do that. I was wondering what I was going to do with them, but I don't think that will be the end result. Well done.

Nikki, I didn't even know there was an earthquake thismorning, mind you I haven't had the radio on all day. I know this is strange, but I like them.  :oops: Only cos so far they've all be fairly minor, nothing has ever fallen over from the ones I've been in. I spent all but the last 4 years in Auckland, so I guess I find them a novelty still.

As for Daniel's size, he hasn't been weighed or measured for a couple of months, due to in a couple of weeeks. But he's been in 6-9month clothes since he was 4 months (they are up to 76cm in length). He's got some for 9-12 mnths, but they're still a bit long. I think he's slowed down in his growth and has 'averaged' out. Also, I haven't bought clothes for him for ages, so if I were to buy some they'd be the next size and just be a bit big. I've noticed different shops are totally different in their sizing, I wish it were all consistent!  :roll:

I did a deal with DH today. We've been doing 2 mornings in a row of getting up to Daniel first thing. It worked out that today and tomorrow he was on 'duty'. These are the last 2 days of his holiday. So I said if he gave Daniel all his meals today I'd get up tomorrow. The fact I"ll then be up 7 mornings in a row is beside the point in his mind.  :roll: Anyway, he took me up on the deal and is now discovering how long it takes to feed Daniel lunch. He's been going about 30mins already.  :lol: Breakfast is quick but lunch not so quick.

Had a bit of a grump with DH before. He can't see why I'd want to go away while he's on a course in Wellington for 8 weeks. Thinks I should be happy just staying around here. Yeah right!!! Why stay home by myself with Daniel when I could go and stay with my family in Auckland. Of course I was planning on going to Wellington to stay with his family too and see a bit of him when he comes out to their house in the weekend, and that's fine of course.  :evil: So if I organise a house sitter/cat feeder and don't involve him or cost us any money (have to use my 'pocket money' to get to Auckland) then that's fine!!!! Grrrrrrr. I'm going to book a one way flight and try and get on an airforce flight to come home, or book and pay for one myself when I'm ready to come home. I think he thinks I was going to drive to Wellington and stay down there so he can see his boy when he wanted to, well, it's not all about him is it?? There, I've said it now. Got it out of my system and am ready to move on. Let's hope he doesn't read this over my shoulder.  :oops:

Off to have left overs for lunch.

Oh speaking of leftovers, can't recall who asked about roast for Daniel. I blended up the veges with a stick blender. And added water. He likes them. Blended the chicken too, but haven't tried that yet.

Bye!! Hope to talk later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 07, 2006, 00:09:56 am
well girls, you'll be happy to know that I went and bought the "Healthy Baby Meal Planner" book of Annabel Karmel.  It looks interesting.  I need to go grocery shopping tho!! :shock:   My fridge is poorly lacking in every department!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 07, 2006, 00:12:03 am
Erin I love those stats...we do the 20 mins a day of reading thing at our school...we encourage it.  I'll have to share those numbers with my kids.  Thanks for your take...Nikki ...everything Erin said :)
Later!
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 07, 2006, 01:42:11 am
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oh looooook, your gina has dirt on it. Gotta wash it off!!" (stuble)  So I agreed and then crouched down for the rest of our conversations
This MUST be the quote of the year! ROFLMAO! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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Is there a 9 month growth spurt that I didn't know about?? He did grow out of his clothes really quickly? I must be dumb not to have realized he was having a growth spurt   

What size clothes is everyone's lo wearing these days? Carter is mostly in 12 mos stuff (the length fits but the waists are too big). For shoes though he is in size 5 or 12-18 months for Robeez. This kid has his dad's huge feet!!!
i apologize if this has been covered...but i'm quoting as i read...much faster than to take notes.  yes cathy-there is a 9 month growth spurt!  lucky you on such a GREAT sleeper.  I thought Cole had big feet!  he is nearly out of his 6-12 month Robeez.  Pants he is still in 3-6 months...shirts some 6-9, some 6-12 depending on the make.

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Like before Molly I NEEDED at least 8 hours sleep or I would not be able to function at all...now if I get 6 hours I am ready to do cartwheels down the street!!
totally agreeing on the sleep front.  i could barely sleep last night and I had the chance too!  more on that later...

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before I know it I woke at 5am with an earthquake which fortunately didn't wake either of them (although Nathan had been up screaming about 3 times during the night still  ).

eeek!  nikki-hope you guys are okay. poor nathan.  do they eventually grow out of night terrors??

ANKIE-You have inspired me too.  soooo wonderful!

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Good readers - read 20 minutes a day - 1.8 million words a year
Average readers - read 4.6 minutes a day - 282,000 words a year
Poor readers - read less than 1 minute a day - 8,000 words a year
Erin-very cool info...thanks!

wow-I'm pretty much all caught up.  5 pages wasn't too bad.  My **&^% connection was down again today so I JUST got on  :evil:

First-our night.  I felt it was successful

down at 7:30
woke at 12:00 down in 5 after one PD no handholding
woke at 1:45 down in 5 after on PD no handholding
woke at 2:00, repeat above twice but I then kept my hand on his back for 20 minutes to be sure.  went back to bed at 2:45 I think.
woke at 5:15 for the day :roll:
yes, I consider this a good night.  even though 1:45-2:45 was kind of an extended waking....i KNOW this is his difficult time and I should have just stayed the full 20 min. the first time and saved myself a lot of time. OH, and no feed until 5:30 after 15 min. of PD didn't work...neither did the feed.

naps today were 1.5 hours 8:45-10:15 (after early waking) and 1.5 hours with help at 40 min. from 2:40-4:10.  VERY overtired, should have put him down at 2:00. Anyhoo-bedtime was a nightmare.  I figured since he was up early i should put him down early so I put him down at 6:45.  He JUST crashed at 8pm.  Not crying the whole time.  In fact, settled really well and I thought went to sleep at 7, but then played for an hour.
If I do the math-he needs 3.5 hours before bed.  SO, if I want a bedtime of 7:00 then I'll have to wake him by 3:30.  so i think naps will be 9:30-10:30 and 2-3:30 if i can get that.

PHEW.

I need to go eat dinner.  hoping to chat briefly. was soooooooo excited to chat, but my girlfriend is coming over as DH is out with her DH at a Raptors game and she is coming to hang out and pick him up from the train later.  hopefully she won't show up til about 9:30 or so...she's going to ikea right at close...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 07, 2006, 02:04:17 am
Wow...you are all making me feel like I have a GIANT of a baby! Yours are all under 20 lb!!! Oh well, she's my little Chubbs, and I wouldn't trade her for anything. (Plus, she gives me quite the workout!)

DH is putting Liv to bed now, and I'm afraid it's going to be a bit of a struggle. We were out running around all afternoon. Had lunch with friends (belated holiday lunch), then up to the hospital to visit my cousin's newborn son (born last night). We spent most of the afternoon there since family was in and out all the time and they wanted to see Liv as well. So, she only got about a 30min nap in the car and then missed her 4:00 bottle. The fussing has stopped, so maybe she's going down for the night now.

MICHELLE--glad to hear Molly is adjusting so well to daycare.

ERIN--Liv seems to do OK on one long and one short nap, but she usually takes 2 of about 1 hr 15 min. I know she should start dropping the morning nap between 12-18 months, so I guess I just figured if it's the short nap, it would be easier to drop. Maybe I should just not worry about it until we get there, huh?

ANKIE--how beautiful! What a great scrapbook!! Are you taking orders? :)

ROZ--way to go Sol on the AM nap (insert anti-jinx dance)!!

CATHY--YEAH!!! on your successful night! Praying there's more to come!

Sorry I'll miss the chat tonight...Friday nights are "date night" with DH. Maybe I'll make it to chat one of these days. They sound so fun!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 07, 2006, 03:54:40 am
had fun at chat tonight girls!

Judy-again, "priceless" with the gina story!  For weight, Taylor is about 21 lbs and 28" and she still fits some 9-12 months clothes, but is slowly moving into 12-18months.  For shoes, she has tiny feet (the ped. even agrees!).  seh is in a size 2.  her robeez are still huge on her (6-12 months).  Little prima ballerina feet on a monster trunk frame!   :lol:

Nancy-I am sooooo starting to wake Taylor from her am nap.  I did it for a while and then was told to stop, but since then she will only take a short afternoon nap.  And afternoons after a short nap are oh so painful.  Nikki does it daily and it really seems to work for her!

Traci-I already told you at chat, but again, well done!  you are getting tehre!  BTW, congratulate yourself on him getting into more of a 7-7 type of routine (remember when he was going to bed at 5:15?)  :shock:

ANkie-that is sooo amazing what you did!  You are truly wonderful  :wink:

I know there's more but gotta scott to nap forum and then to give dh attention!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 07, 2006, 03:58:07 am
[quote="Colesmom"My **&^% connection was down again today so I JUST got on  :evil: [/quote]


Traci did you mention that you are using a router?  Does your connection come back right away if you cycle it?  (turn it off then back on?)  I have one, it's not wireless, but they are a PITA.  We use it to network our two systems here and last night I asked dh to go in behind the desk and connect my pc direct to the modem.  The router is constantly interupting my internet service (network works fine) and it comes back if I cycle it but since I'm on here while nursing and I can't reach the power cord on the back of the router while sitting here :) it's too inconvenient for my impatient personality ;)

Just a thought.  I actually stopped using it a year so ago because of this.  I originally was using it as a firewall and not for networking.  It was great for a few months then went skitzy.  I explained this to dh when he hooked it back up but .. :roll:

Anyway just a thought.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 07, 2006, 04:32:15 am
Gosh Judy, you really are a tech geek!  I believe you when you say it's what you do for a living!

Anyway, for the rest of you -- I was telling the ladies at chat that I was reading an article in "Consumer Reports" about which items are worth buying organic, which aren't, and which are in the middle.  Here's a list along with quick summaries of the reasons why (keep in mind, this is all based on US labeling of organic foods):

Buy Organic as Often as Possible

apples, bell peppers, celery, cherries, imported grapes, nectarines, peaches, pears, potatoes, red raspberries, spinach, and strawberries - apparently these have more pesticides sprayed on them then others

meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy - reduce risk of agent believed to cause mad cow and avoid results of production methods that use daily supplemental antibiotics

baby food - babies are more vulnerable to toxins

Buy these items organic if price is no object
asparagus, avocados, bananas, broccoli, cauliflower, sweet corn, kiwi, mangos, onions, papaya, pineapples, and sweet peas - multiple pesticide residues are rarely found on these fruits and veggies

breads, oils, potato chips, pasta, cereals, and other packed foods, such as canned or dried fruit and vegetables - the more a food is processed, th eless health value its organic version offers - and other ingredients that are nonorganic are often added

Don't bother buying these items organic
seafood - fish can be labeled organic despite the presence of contaminants - the USDA hasn't really developed seafood standards yet

cosmetics - in a nutshell, too many ingredients and lax standards in this area[/u]
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 07, 2006, 05:20:38 am
Wow, that was the shortest afternoon in postings ever. Must be because of the chat. Sorry I didn't make it, I was having a coffee with my friend around the corner. She rang me just on our chat time, and I felt I needed to get out of the house.  Daniel was asleep so DH looked after him.

He's been sleeping an hour for his naps the last few days, not sure why, but I'm missing the 1.5hours he was doing per nap. Hopefully these will increase again soon.

Who mentioned something about meat at night and longer/better sleep? I've just wondered if that's why he's not sleeping as well during the day cos he hasn't had much meat meals lately. Must increase those and see what happens. We had a bit of a struggle eating dinner tonight, but after some coaxing with custard he ate his veges too. Not sure why as the last 2 days we've had great mealtimes. Oh well, hopefully a good day tomorrow all day.

Interesting info on organic food Erin. I would love to buy organic, but it costs sooo much more, our budget doesn't allow for it. I guess I should grow my own, but time doesn't allow for that!

Traci, how did you type and quote and read as you went???
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 07, 2006, 05:41:06 am
Judy, you are a geek!  :lol:

Erin, thanks for that organic info, i too would love to buy it, but I can't believe our grocery bill at the moment let alone more stuff.

Hayley, meant to mention yesterday with your dh going away on training and expecting you to go as well.  I guess he's just going to miss you, but it's easy for him because his days are filled doing his stuff and you're hanging around waiting - I don't blame you for wanting to use some of the time to spend it with your mum and others where you travel to meet up with him (I'd also like to meet up with you when you're driving down this way  :wink: ).

To quote and type: view back on old posts, highlight, copy and paste into your new post, rehighlight and hit the quote button up the top under subject line.

Well dinner was a disaster tonight, we went out after chatting to you girls and it was 4.30pm by that time, decided to drive up to an organic shop that also stocks gluten free stuff, prepared to have chicken in the oven cooking for when we got home - anyway, got home at 5.30pm which is on the outside for getting the kids fed anyway and we realised we'd forgotten to put the chicken in the oven!!  Talk about a slap up meal of baked beans, eggs and D had some brocolli and courgette quickly cooked up.  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 07, 2006, 14:04:50 pm
Ankie - what a wonderful idea for the BW pics!! Something to look back on down the years. How do you find the time with a little one and no sleep??

Erin - thanks for the congrats on being an auntie!! It is my brother's wife, they just got married in July. I am sooooo excited. Packed up my maternity clothes last night for her and dug out my "What to Expect..." book. Now just have to get her the BWSAYP book and she's all set!! I did refer her to BW site a few months back so she is a regular and will have all the skills she needs when the baby comes along. She has step-daughters already (my brother has a 15 yr old and a 2 yr old from previous relationships) so I know she will make a wonderful Mommy!!
Wow!!! on the stats regarding readers. That was one thing that we have always been consistent with for Mason. From the time he could read he has always had .5 hour reading before bed, it makes such a difference in their writing and communication skills!
Interesting stuff about the organic foods too, must show DH. We buy a brand of organic babyfood here called Bobo. It is frozen in little ice cubes and it tastes pretty yummy!! Made in Canada too!

Nikki - LOL at your dinner issues last night. Reminded me of Micky and the burned cheese toast!!

Sorry I missed chat AGAIN last night. DH and I went on a date for dinner. Funny story...we told Mason that Grandma was going to watch him and Molly as Aaron and I were going out for a date. He looked at us very strangely  :shock:  :shock: and said "but you're married."  OMG did we laugh our butts off at that one!! Had to have a talk with him about "dates" and being married and still wanting to spend alone time. Poor girl who ends up with him!! LOL  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 07, 2006, 16:28:36 pm
Had another sleep-through night last night...it looks like we're back in business!!! YEAH!!!!!

ANDREA--when do you wake Taylor from am nap? After an hour? So, are you waking her from her am nap AND she's still only taking a short pm nap? Who told you to stop waking her? (sorry, so many questions!)

JUDY--you are a techo!! You sound like my DH!!

ERIN--interesting info on the organic. I, too, would like to buy it, but it sounds like we're all in the same budget boat!

MICHELLE--funny about Mason and the dating story. Sounds like a typical guy!!!

CATHY, ANKIE & TRACI---how were your nights?

It's naptime, so I better scoot...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 07, 2006, 17:01:24 pm
I don't buy organic - in fact avoid it and not for price.  My girlfriend's sister works in the agriculture sector and she is adamently opposed to it.  There is no regulations on it and no way of knowing what chemicals are in the ground, in the manure used on it and so on and so on.  She feels it to be more unhealthy than non-organic.  I'll find out the details again and post them.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 07, 2006, 17:46:28 pm
Wow, where are all you girls, I've been to bed and there are only a few new replies!  :shock:

Judy, it's been bugging me, but have you changed your user name from a capital J to a lower case?  ( :roll:  at myself). 

Nancy, glad to hear that Liv is back to sleeping through.  D went through again but woke at 5.45 and was chatting and swarking, it actually was ok though, I got her up at 6.15 and her legs were stuck in the bars.  Nathan only had one small waking, so we all had good sleeps.

Michelle, funny at Mason wondering why you were going on a date.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 07, 2006, 17:59:01 pm
Hi Ladies,

only me again!  :wink:
Forgot to say last night, thanks for all the information on AF and the art of buying condoms!   :lol:   It can be so embarrasing!  I have a pack of the mini pill sitting in my medicine cabinet, but for some reason can't bring myself to start taking it.  Hmmm?  some sort of sumbliminal way of me TTC???

Anyhow, Judy-I would love to hear the info. on the organic stuff.  A couple of months back there was a DATELINE episode on why organic may not really be great and DH and I wanted to watch it but of course forgot to Tivo it  :roll:  Anyhow, one of my girlfriends ONLY buys organic and is kinda too into it KWIM?  I kind of want to have some information so the next time she gets on my for Not buying organic, I can have some ammo!  :twisted:  is that mean?

Also, Hannah-regarding the weanign from a bottle.  Yes, the boosk say 12 months...but I don't think it is a solid steadfast rule.  and anyhow, Sophie is still 3 months from that, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.  My 2 nephews got weaned in a couple of weeks between the ages of 13-16 months and it wasn;t that big of a deal.  My niece is 20 months and she still take a bottle (a little old IMHO), but to each is own right?

Lastly, Nancy.  I am going to wake her after 1 hour.  Michelle, my co-moderator on the nap boards told me not to wake her after 1 hour, but let her sleep 1.5 hours.  But I have just come to realize that Taylor is not a 2 long naps kind of girl.  I just have to accept it.  There was a period of about 2 months where she did take 2 long naps/day, but that ended about 2.5 months ago!  Now she seems much more prone to taking 1 long and 1 short.  So if that is the case, then mommy has to have some control, and I'd rather it be a short am nap and a long pm nap!  I think going with this plan will just make me and the whole family a lot less stress free.  I am soooo tired of trying to tweak A time, trying to perfectly orchestrate my day only to be dissappointed in the end.  I have done what I can and just have to deal with the fact that Taylor is spirited and will only sleep during the day as little as possible!  phew, feel better now!   :wink:

have a great day everyone!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 07, 2006, 18:13:08 pm
Andrea, I was reading BWSAYP the other day (can't remember which bit - must have been 9-12mth section though) and it did say that a lot of babies at this age prefer a short am nap and long pm nap.  Like you say (and we've talked about it before :wink: ), it's finding what works for you and working with it.  That's how I stumbled on ours as well (well I needed to fit her in with Nathan) and if I let her go 1.5hrs in the morning she will never have a long pm nap which work for all of us better.  Having had Danielle have a different routine to what Nathan did as a baby really made me realise they don't all fit in the same box - he responded to the DF well as a baby, took 2 good 1.5hr naps at this age yet D is different.

BTW, the other 3 kids in our playgroup have only just been weaned from a bedtime bottle at over 2.5yrs old.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 07, 2006, 18:17:14 pm
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Traci did you mention that you are using a router? Does your connection come back right away if you cycle it? (turn it off then back on?)
yes I do have a wireless router.  I will try plugging/unplugging it.  Interesting about yours working for only a few months.  I'm with sympatico but they won't trouble shoot if we don't use THEIR router.  hmmmm.  got on okay today.  not sure why.  thanks for the thought though.

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Traci, how did you type and quote and read as you went???
hee hee, using my new found skill here.  Hayley.  I open two windows...one to reply and one to read.  While i read a post I'll copy the text I want to quote, come over and quote it, then go back to the other window.  kwim?

k. so cole went down at 8, woke at 10 and 11 but settled okay, then slept until 2:15.  thing is DH got home at 1am from the *&(^ bball game :evil: so I had to entertain my friend til then.  she said go to sleep but like i'm going to leave her sitting in my LR, 32 weeks preggo too so  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil: for her DH as well.  THEN my dh STAYS up and wakes me up when he comes to bed at 1:45.  anyhoo, cole up from 2:15-3:15, trying to settle the whole time.  gave him gas drops.   :?:  anyway, then slept until 6:15.  DH took him at 7:30 and put him down at 9:30 for nap and he slept until 11:00.  so i slept that whole time.  OOPS though, as I was supposed to wake cole at 10:30 to keep nap/bed sched. AND I had a massage at 11 that I was a few minutes late for. Thank goodness they are just down the street.

okay, gotta run and have a shower.  late start to the day with all the "extra" sleep.  LOL

getting better though...thinking tonight might be a breakthrough night.  I WISH!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 07, 2006, 19:15:26 pm
Hi!

Andrea - I did the minipill for a month and stopped - currently using nothing, though as I've said before my cycles are wacky and prior to Katie I wasn't ovulating so I'm not that worried - and if I do end up PG I'll be very happy  :D  - figured I would see what my body could do naturally before returning to the doc....

About the organic stuff - the article I was citing was referring to the US agricultural industry - I honestly don't know how things work in Canada, Australia, or NZ.  Here, we've got a couple of different labels:

100% organic - no synthetic ingredients, production processes must meet federal standards and verified by inspectors

Organic - at least 95% of ingredients are organically produced - the remainder can be synthetic or nonorganic

Made with Organic Ingredients - at least 70% of the ingredients are organic, remaining 30% have to come from USDA's approved list (whatever that is)

Labels that mean nothing include free-range, free-roaming, natural, or all natural....Andrea, wonder if your friend actually knows all that? - It's amazing how misleading things can be....

Now, despite all this, I generally don't buy organic produce because of the expense.  I'll try to buy more local produce (farmer's market stuff), just because I like supporting local farms.  I don't think I've ever bought organic dairy, just too expensive.  I do buy organic baby food.  I do like that it's organic and I also find that it's more likely to have whole grains in it and I think it has more taste than the other stuff.  (OF course I could get around all this by making my own....)  You can get lots of coupons and it's not really all that much more expensive than the other stuff. 

BTW, I have spent a bunch of summers working at a nature center and DH spent a year working for a non-profit "save the planet" organization, so I do tend to come at this stuff from that point of view (in case you couldn't tell  :D ). 

"See" everyone later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 07, 2006, 19:31:57 pm
Goodmorning, I know what you mean Nikki, we hadn't even gone onto a new page. Makes for a quick catch up.

This will be quick as Daniel seems to want cuddles thismorning. But I don't mind cos he slept in until 7.15am! I guess it will push out naps but thats ok.   ti7n                                  n=   that was a word from Daniel . How funny, I'm sitting here with my key boar d  on the top of the desk and his on the slide out draw, but he wants to play on my one. Typical.  :roll: oooiiiieeeee. He just knocked off his keyboard onto my toe. Youchie!

Traci, didn't sound like your night went too well, just when things were looking up. At least you managed to get a big sleep and a massage. Oh how nice. I really need one of thos.

Andrea, you've just made me wonder if Daniel's changing his naps again too. He was doing 2 x 1.5h, but now only doing 2 x 1h.

Oh dear, have to go.....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 07, 2006, 20:13:01 pm
NIKKI---yeah for good sleeps!!!

HANNAH--I agree with Andrea...I've heard of weaning from bottle between 12 and 18 months (don't remember where I heard that). I think 18 months is a little on the late side, but I don't think it has to be right at 12 mo. either.

ANDREA--thanks for the info on naps. Sounds like you've thought it through and no what you're doing!! Still not sure what I'm going to do for now. The long am naps seem to work OK for us now. That's usually the time I'm trying to get the most done (treadmill, shower, things around the house). And Liv does OK until bedtime even with a short pm nap. I may just stick with it for now and see if things start to change.

TRACI--yeah for your "better" night and the "extra" sleep. Here's hoping it keeps getting better. Good for you getting a massage. I got one over Christmas and it made me realize I need to do it more often!!

It's kind of nice being able to catch up so quickly, but I do miss everyone...where are all the girls!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 07, 2006, 20:50:57 pm
quick post girls.

cole went down for nap 2 at 2:38, took 12 minutes to settle. he's still sleeping, it's 3:45.  If he doesn't wake by 4 I'll get him up for a 7:30 bedtime.  I wanted to see what would happen if I let him sleep.  was curious to see how long he'd go, that's why i didn't wake him at 3:30 as I wanted to last night for 7pm bed.   He'll have had a total then of 2:50 for naps.  Last night wasn't too bad really because if I had of gone to bed at 10pm I would'vd have had some okay sleep.  I know that hour doesn't seem good but he was trying to sleep the whole time.  I confess to giving him my hand...thinking it would go faster...and I did hold him after giving oval because he had lots of broccoli for dinner and i thought it was gas.  I have to stop making excuses for him.  Anyway, close to the hour mark, took away my hands and said "you can do it cole, time for sleep" and it took 5 min. for him to settle.  maybe he's staying awake because I'm there???  anyway, i had given my hand at bedtime too because I had made the mistake of putting him down early and he really struggled settling.  no hands tonight and I am confident he'll do better.

oh gosh-did i mention that cole is pulling himself up on that bench in front of the tree?  totally pulls himself up and into crouching/sitting position.  and DH had him on the couch today and he pulled himself up on the back of the couch (the very top) in order to reach a vase of fake flowers.  I'll post pics later so you can see what i mean.  totally crazy.

on the plus side, i used this naptime to get all the ornaments packed away.  *phew*  lights and tree will come down tonight then i don't have to worry about the bench


ttfn.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 07, 2006, 21:03:02 pm
hey girls!

traci; sounds like cole is starting to catch on again...slowly...but he'll get there!  i can't believe how mobile he is!  I think Jack is going to be one of those babes that by-passes the crawling stage.  He's much more interested in pulling himself to stand then to bother trying to crawl. :roll:   oh well, whatever keeps him stationary for a bit longer.  :D  :wink:

it's 2pm here and Jack has had a whopping 15min of sleep so far!  :shock:  :roll:   But he's still relatively happy, didn't eat lunch that well....and he's happily talking to BE right now.  My leg can only be his pull-up toy for so long!  :shock:   I think he's starting to teeth again....I'm hoping that's the problem.  I gave him a big hunk of cucumber to gnaw on today and he really seemed to enjoy the coolness of it.  But, I really can't complain when I read about Ankie and Traci!!!! 8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 07, 2006, 21:14:21 pm
Crappy night here again!  This time it involved hysterical screaming like I have NEVER heard before  :(   We have had two good naps though so I am not so tired anymore. 

I have to go feed a hungry baby but wanted to post Xmas pics that I finally got off of the camera.  I think they may be big so I will have to see what happens with posting them!!!

The first 2 are showing how Carter opens presents!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 07, 2006, 21:17:22 pm
Traci, sounds like a good night.  Too bad you didn't get to bed earlier.  Maybe tonight?  Here's hopin'!

I don't think I ever joined in the how big is the baby talk.  Ryan was 23 pounds and 30 something inches a month ago (I think).  When I tried to weigh him on our scale a few days ago (he was a squirmy wormy!) it said 25 pounds, but who knows if that's right.  He's wearing 12-18 month clothes and could use them in the Robeez, too.  We're still shoving him into the 6-12 months ones until I get to the store.  (Don't forget about the Target knockoffs for only $13 US!) 

Ryan was in super spaz mode this afternoon and had trouble settling for him nap.  He and dh were wrestling all afternoon...do you think that had anything to do with it?   :roll:   Super cute, though, as they both had on white undershirts and gray sweatpants.   :D  My two boys...(insert sigh emoticon here).   
This morning, I went to Meal Makers.  Has anyone done this?  They do all the prep and clean up.  I hate all the shopping, chopping, cleaning, etc.  You basically dump the stuff into Ziploc bags or foil tins and freeze it.  Pull it out the night before and dinner is ready to be cooked and served. I LOVE IT!!!  When you do the math, it's about $3/main course, plus whatever you make for side dishes.  So much more exciting than what I usually make.  Can't wait for the Italian Vegetable Casserole.  Yummm!  I've never made a casserole before.   :oops:   Seriously, I'm no good at the cooking thing...maybe better than Micky, though.   :wink:  :lol:
Cathy, just scrolled down and saw your message.  Can't wait to see the pics!  Is there a live action shot of the tree falling?  Still gives me the chills to think about!
Okay, I was supposed to be doing something else and here I am again.
Best wishes for good nights around the globe!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 07, 2006, 21:28:49 pm
hey girls,

forgot a few things

Judy-I think there was a sub secretary at my peds yesterday and he seemed clueless so i didn't ask about homo.  booked an appt for cole friday for 2nd flu shot...so i'll ask then.

richelle-what potty did you get and are you happy with it?

All of you with lo at Daycare-did you discuss potty training with them?  When they are willing to take that on?  I meet my potential daycare lady tomorrow and i'm curious to see if she'd do it as early as I'd like.  Cole is still pooping about 4 times a day, so I'm hoping to do it when he consolidates it down to 2.  Or maybe sooner since he always poops within about 5 minutes of eating, whether BF or solids.  Guess it's worth a try anyway.  Not sure someone would be willing to do potty training that early in a care environment.  I say "potential" caregiver because she said all her current clients pick up their los by 5.  She closes at 5:30 but I'm hoping she'll expand her hours to 6:15 once her daughter comes on board with her (soon i think).  If not, we may have to go to a larger one :cry:

Spoke with her yesterday because she had to switch our appt. from today to tomorrow.  she had a new girl start this week, she's 20 months and 42 lbs.   :shock:  apparently threw her back out lifting her so she wanted to rest today.  She said "I"m going to have to figure out how to manage this".  I guess because when they first start she likes to hold them a bit more to make them feel comfortable.

anyhoo, cole is babbling and blowing raspberries in his saucer.  I can already see a change in his demeanor from getting better sleep.  He seems more relaxed most of the day and more engaged in his toys.  YAY!

k, i'm sure he's got a poopy diaper and need to pop him on the other boob real quick.

DH reading tonight...so don't think i'll be able to get back on.  we'll see, maybe for a short while :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 07, 2006, 21:40:07 pm
More pics!!!

One of bath time and one RIGHT before the tree fell on him!  Sorry, no action shots!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 07, 2006, 21:48:04 pm
Last ones!!!

I decided to post these after what we talked about on chat last night!!

Here is Carter's headshots for his "arranged marriage" ad!!!  He is totally trying to seduce the camera!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 07, 2006, 22:57:32 pm
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cathy-that last shot is PRICELESS.  is that his "blue steel" look LOL  (zoolander reference)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 00:11:05 am
Nikki - hmmm interesting, no I didn't change my username to a lowercase J - Isn't that odd?  Hmmm  Now it's going to bother me ;)

Andrea I emailed my friend about the organic info.  I talk to her a few times every day during the week but thought I'd email because my brain doesn't retain the spoken word so well :oops:  But I do know that once when her sister was over for dinner she was very put out that they had organic applesauce and couldn't believe they would feed it to the children.  I'll let you know WHY when I get the whole story (again)

Bottles... Zoe switched to sippy cups after 1yr.  Still had a bottle at bedtime but we switched it within a few months without problem.  Sarah stayed on bottles at my choosing for much longer.  I don't really like sippy cups so much and have heard they can be bad for the tongue muscles and speech development (tongue muscles worked in a 'flat' pattern) - have I already mentioned this?  Anyway, I think she was done bottles by, oh, I don't know.  She was 19months when the K&H were born and she and Zoe were getting one sippy (yup I gave in to the sippy) in the mornings only for a little while.  Mostly by then though she was on open cup - having done a lot of straw cups previously -but couldn't buy replacement valves which is why I gave in on the playtex sippy.  Now they ONLY drink out of open cups.  Once in a blue moon they'll climb up and get a sippy cup from the cupboard (not sure as I type this why they're even still there I should just pack them up for a bit) and I don't argue it.  As for bedtime though - she had her last bottle moved to supper VERY early - prolly just after a year because Zoe had not had a bedtime bottle in a LONG time and she was suddenly wanting one because Sarah had it too (ok so likely even before a year) so instead of letting Zoe restart the bedtime milk I changed the timing for Sarah and she was fine with it.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 08, 2006, 00:16:06 am
Cathy those photos are just gorgeous.  What a looker, there's gonna be a few broken hearts when he gets older.....

Traci, the 'blue steel' look comment made me laugh. I have never seen Zoolander but all the airforce friends of DH's had. At our wedding they're doing a group photo and someone yells "Blue Steel" and there's this photo of them all doing the look and me looking at DH as if to say "wtf??"

Ohhhh my little bear has just done one of those oh so cute moments. DH has a mini motorbike, I'm talking real mini. My friends 3yr old looks the right size on it. Anyway, he saw DH on it yesterday riding around. Anyway, he's just gone off to work to check out the flying schedule and he rode down the path on it. Daniel could here it go past and he stopped what he was doing. Then I said bye daddy, daddy's just gone to work and he smiled and started waving. Soooo cute! Now he's gone to the kitchen door where he last saw DH walk thru and is sitting waving.

Micky, 15 mins sleep? Crikey girl, how are you feeling??  :lol:

Traci, it sounds like Cole's naps are all sorted, it won't be long until night time is too. Yay for you and Cole.

We went out for brunch thismorning, I feel like a 'grown up real person' again. I even put some make up on. First time in ages. Now that DH is back at work this week and our coffee group will start up again, at least I'll be out once a week now.

That's about it from me. All is quiet down where Daniel is playing so I better go and see what he's up too!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 08, 2006, 00:58:43 am
Judy - interesting about the organic stuff. I should read up more on that. Will keep an eye out for more info from your friend.

Andrea - I too have resigned myself to Molly's short (30-45 minutes) a.m. nap and longer (1-1.5 hour) afternoon nap. She is not a big sleeper either (I remember comparing Taylor and Molly back when they were a few months old!!). I too would rather get a short morning nap, do our running around, visiting, whatever we need to do, then be home in the afternoon for the "good" nap. Most days she can go from about 1:30 or 2 pm until bedtime without the catnap so it works for us.
I totally hear you on the being sooooo tired trying to tweak A time only to be disappointed in the end at the short nap anyways!!

Nikki - just being weaned at 2.5 yrs?? Yikes. Mason was done with the bottle at 8 months. We were just reading his babybook and comparing notes on him and Molly. I remembered that he wasn't all that interested in it when he started eating real food. He had 6 teeth by this time, whereas Molly still has none. Reminds me, haven't tried the toast yet this weekend either. Maybe tomorrow morning.

Traci - sometimes men are so darn inconsiderate aren't they?? It's like they just don't think...I know they do think, they just think differently than women!! Nice of DH to take Cole in the a.m. and let you catch up on some much needed and well deserved sleep though!  Way to go Cole on the sleeping better, keep it up...it's time to give Mommy a break!!

Cathy - love the pics!! He opens presents just like Molly does. Way too much cuteness going on in your house! The bathtime one is so adorable, what a looker! LOL @ his seduction shots - it must be hard to be "sooooooo gooooood looking" - Zoolander again (thanks Traci - am giggling thinking of Ben Stiller in that one!)

Kate - the Meal Makers thing sounds fabulous!! Wonder if we have that in Canada?? Anyone know? I was doing well with the cooking every day, making salad to have in the fridge every couple of days, plus a fresh fruit salad to have on hand but with going back to work it's going to be hard to find the time or energy to do anything!!


Well looks like our Molly is sick again, another ear infection on the way!! She was up every hour last night and then up for the day at 5 am. She slept for a whopping total of 1.25 hours (.5 this morning and .75 this afternoon) and we put her to bed at about 5:15 pm. Took her to the medicentre today and they say no infection yet but will probably rear it's ugly head within 24 hours. Gave me antibiotic prescription to hold in case she is worse tomorrow and then I can get in to see my Doctor early next week. Grrrrrrrrrr. Awaiting an appt. with the specialist for ear tubes. This infection will be 4 since the end of October.   :shock:  :shock: She will have a great immune system by the time she hits a year old!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 08, 2006, 01:23:55 am
Michelle, poor Molly! I had an ear infection once and it was the most painful thing ever! I felt like my head was about to explode! I hope it gets sorted out soon and when does she get grommets?

Kate, Meal Makers sound excellent!

Judy, you really are a geek! I did not understand your e-mail apart from the ands and buts LOL :lol:  Interesting about the organic stuff. There is no real evidence from my reading so I do not buy organic but make sure I cook my own food as often as possible. I do buy organic cooked baby food only because it contains no maize thickeners or bulking agents. I have a few jars for emergencies!

Cathy, Carter is gorgeous! The Zoolander reference was so apt and too funny!!!

Hayley, 8 weeks is a long time for dh to be away and you should really be around family and me! Am looking forward to catching up with you and Daniel when you head up this way.

Sam is quite skinny-about 20 pounds but long. Cannot work the conversion into inches, sorry! :oops: He is still in some 3-6 months clothes but mostly in 6-9 months.

Andrea, still waiting for you to post that pic...

Naps, I don't wake Sam and we have vary between long am nap and long pm nap. They are usually about 1 hour minimum (doing Kate's antijinx dance).  We do not have timed naps, just go on cues and A time.

Traci, that Cole is just too mobile! Sam is trying to climb but is nowhere near Cole's league. Would love to see a pic.

Ankie, how was your night?

Back to work for me tomorrow. I have just had a week off and am quite looking forward to going back to work. Have a great day/night all and am sending out sleep vibes, get well soon vibes.
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 08, 2006, 01:27:15 am
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Then I said bye daddy, daddy's just gone to work and he smiled and started waving. Soooo cute! Now he's gone to the kitchen door where he last saw DH walk thru and is sitting waving.
Hayley-that is just incredible!  I cannot wait til cole does stuff like that.  I guess he's so focussed on the physical he has no time more mental gymnastics:) Not to mention...I don't really work on hi and bye and stuff that much.  He does a mean "high five" though :wink:

Kate-Haven't heard of meal makers but what a GREAT idea.  hmmm, new canadian business idea if there isn't one here...

Michelle-poor little Molly-that is just awful.  Hope you get in to see the specialist soon.

Not sure how to emphasize this so I'll just do this: BREAKTHROUGH

I didn't tell you girls, but last night I left the room to make him cry.  cruel I know but he just kept playing and playing.  Anyway, it broke my heart after 3 minutes, i did PD and he went to sleep.  Tonight I planned bedtime for 7:30.  He just kept playing and playing so I left again and said you can do it, time for sleep while standing outside the door where he could see me...he cried for a minute then started playing.  i went downstairs for a few minutes.  when he realized i wasn't there he started again.  on and off for a few minutes then pretty hard.  i counted SLOWLY to 100.  do you see where I'm going with this :wink: (insert happy dance emoticon) anyway, i just stood outside the door and said you can do it time for sleep a few times.  he calmed in a couple of minutes...started babbling...dadda, nanna, bababababab....and fell asleep WITHOUT ME IN THE ROOM for the first time in about 8 LONG weeks.
 :D  :)  :shock:  8)  :P  :wink:  :lol:

not sure what kind of night we'll have because i think 8 is kind of late but we'll see.  turns out DH isn't reading tonight so we're going to spend some time together. for now though, here is the series of pics i took of cole stealing the ornament yesterday: ( i resized the first two...not sure why it didn't work...sorry)

getting up

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1526.jpg)

theft in progress:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1527a.jpg)

getting down
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1528a.jpg)

enjoying fruit of hard labour

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1530a.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 08, 2006, 01:32:47 am
Crikey Traci, that is too scary!!! You have to watch him sooo closely!!!  And yay Cole!!!! Hope the night goes well!
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 01:36:35 am
Holy cow - go Cole on stealing the ornament!!!  :)  And how awesome on the breakthrough Traci!!  Kaia will occasionally let out a big cry as I leave the room. I find if I keep going and just say "time for sleep" she lets out maybe 1 1/2 cries and then stops right away.

Hayley I love that story of Daniel going over to wave bye to daddy - melts the heart!!

Love the pics of Carter - sweet man.  LOVE his hair.

Well - it's 8.38pm and I'm exhausted so, I'm going to bed :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 01:38:15 am
Nikki - I had to go in and edit my profile because the lower case 'j' was bothering me :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 01:43:28 am
And I noticed the change straight away Judy... :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 02:23:48 am
OK, I'm back, both kids are up from their naps, Nathan's having a snack, DH decided to give him some prunes and didn't really think about the fact they each one was actually equivalent to an actual plum - so he's scoffed 4!  Hopefully it's not too many.

Wow Cole, he's actually UP on the table? 

Love the pics of Carter, what a cool look on his face.

Michelle, I think the kids having the bedtime bottles were really just in lieu of a dummy really I suppose.  Nathan had his final bedtime feed when he was 14mths old and self-weaned from breastfeeding.

Hayley, that's so cute of Daniel to wave to DH.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 08, 2006, 02:52:03 am
Hey everybody,

No sleep again here for the parents. Arwyn slept though. Not straight through but she slept :roll:  in 2 hour-ish lengths of time.

Down at 6:30 and had a few stirrings until about 10:30... all is quiet... I think she may not wake... but she does so at 12:30. Fed because she didn't have a good BF at 6:00... doesn't go back down. DH takes over... get this... I hand her off, he sits down and falls asleep with her until 3 am :?:  :?:  :?: Friggin' hell... we are never gonna get this under control. I feed her again at 3 am and she only sleeps until 5 am. DH puts her back down with no problem and she sleeps until 6:30. It must have been a worse night due to no P.M. nap (well, 20 minutes doesn't count). Yeah... I could probably find a billion reasons why her nights are so screwy... none of them are really a good enough reason for me to keep getting up like this!!! Ladies, I feel like swearing!

Well... today, she was ultra clingy. We think it is teeth. She is trying to bite my cheek, shoulder, chin, fingers, etc. She actually connected and chomped my chin (ouch!) and managed to nip my shoulder too. :roll: She had a great BF at 6:30 tonight but wouldn't let me put her down. DH goes in to put her down and she is asleep in a minute flat :!: I wonder what is going on with her? :?:

Anyhow, my doctor told me to let Arwyn CIO. I don't want to and won't... however... what am I going to do when I go back to work  :?:  :?:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 03:06:14 am
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Ladies, I feel like swearing!

Ankie you're made of steel girl!!  When I'm low low LOW on sleep like that - I want to put my head through the wall. 

Wish I could help you out...  I know the girls here are going through seperation anxiety pretty heavily right now.  At night though, I give my standby chamomilla - great for teething and sep anxiety it seems.

Btw - I got bit on the cheek and the shoulder this week too.  Oh and teeth marks left in my finger...  their like little nippy puppies!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 03:06:46 am
ok did anyone notice I last said I was going to bed an hour and a half ago :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

I AM going now...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 08, 2006, 04:06:14 am
hi girls!
Cathy : Carter is way too cute!  I love the blue steel!  :wink:

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Traci: I was reading in Annabel Karmel's book that they don't recommend homo milk before age 1 because it doesn't have enough iron in it.  But you can give it to them in cereal, cooking, etc., just not as the main source of milk.
And YEAH!!!!  for cole going to sleep without you!!  Just remember they usually have a regression about 3 days later....but keep strong....your doing great!!  :)

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  too cute hayley!!
Jack's afternoon nap wasn't much better....only slept 45 and woke crying.. :roll:   we then had to go to DH's aunts for dinner (Ukranian Christmas dinner.....YUMMY!!)  he fell asleep on the way there  :roll:  but then he played and smiled like the trooper he is the whole time we were there and then promptly fell asleep in the car on the way home!  :roll:   Here's hoping for a good night (anti-jinx dance!!!)

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She is trying to bite my cheek, shoulder, chin, fingers, etc. She actually connected and chomped my chin (ouch!) and managed to nip my shoulder too.
  Ankie, Jack did this to me today too!  I think I got bit about 4-5 times.  Pretty hard too! once on the shoulder and 3 times on my cheeks!  :shock:   I can't imagine if he was nipping me if I was still BFing!!!  :shock:  :shock:  YOUCH!!!!

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I give my standby chamomilla - great for teething and sep anxiety it seems.
Judy, where do you find this magic potion???  :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 08, 2006, 04:14:19 am
Cathy - the Carter is quite the looker!  Love the hair!  So blonde!

Traci - LOL at Cole, wow is he mobile!  And fingers crossed that you're at the beginning of a long improvement in nighttime sleep!

Hayley - so cute of Daniel!

Ankie - ugh....and (((hugs))) to you.  Hope those teeth come in quick and relatively painlessly....you've still got a few months before you go back, so don't panic yet!   Could you switch nights maybe - so one of you could actually get a full night's sleep and then wouldn't be so wiped out to deal with her at night?  I can't imagine how hard it must be for you and DH right now with so little sleep!  Stupid doctor.

Michelle - poor Molly  :(  Hope she feels better soon!  Katie's one ear inefction was no fun, can't imagine 4!

Kate- never heard of Meal Makers or whatever they're called - have to check into it and see if anything like that exists around here.

Interesting about bottles.  My nephew turns 1 next week and my sister is determined that his bottles will all go away at that point.  Of course, she puts him down for naps/bedtime with one, so I think she'll have quite the fight on her hands with that one.  I can see how she got there though - such an easy fix at the time!   

Interesting too about the organic viewpoints.  Always love to see what others have to say.

Oh, we've been doing short AM nap and long PM nap here too the past week or so - you would think all of our LOs are talking to each other too - babywhisperedbabies.com?

Well ladies, I think you'll be seeing a lot of me this week (not like you don't already!) as DH is off to Vegas tomorrow morning for a sales meeting and won't be back until late Thursday.  Ugh.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 08, 2006, 04:14:25 am
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I was reading in Annabel Karmel's book that they don't recommend homo milk before age 1 because it doesn't have enough iron in it. But you can give it to them in cereal, cooking, etc., just not as the main source of milk.
Micky-I give Cole iron supplement since i'm still breastfeeding.  And he gets cereal with 2 of 3 meals...that is iron fortified.  I wonder then, why couldn't I just do HOMO milk and supplement still?  I thought the 1 year recommendation had to do with allergies as opposed to iron.  that would make sense to me.  I'm really leaning towards starting him...but will talk to my ped this week.  I mean, it only has to be one milk feed...just so i can get out of the house and I can start to wean him, in case it takes a while.

an update...heard him stir a couple of times but no wakings yet.  been down 3 hours...

Ankie girl-you deserve some kind of medal.  Have you tried leaving the room and reassuring from outside?  just curious.  not sure if you saw my post but i was successful tonight getting cole to sleep without me.  maybe, just maybe she is waking just to BE with you guys. just a thought.  sorry it's not much but maybe something to consider.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 08, 2006, 04:15:20 am
Hi Micky  :D
We posted at the same time....and Traci too!
What are we all doing up now?...oh wait Micky, you're in a different time zone - but Traci - go to bed!  I'm going too!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 08, 2006, 04:28:07 am
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Hi Micky 
We posted at the same time....and Traci too!
What are we all doing up now?...oh wait Micky, you're in a different time zone - but Traci - go to bed! I'm going too!

 :lol:  i was out all night...I had to come home and get caught up, relax, visit with my friends... :wink: i'm going to call my DH now then go to bed and read a book!  :shock:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 08, 2006, 05:03:08 am
Hey ladies.  I have been reading all day but haven't had time to respond.  Things get a little wild around here when we have Brendan...
Actually dh and I took Sophie shopping this afternoon.  He and I both got new jeans...a little sad...our jeans keep getting bigger...sigh.  I was putting mine on this morning saying.ugh my jeans are tight today! So dh said let's go buy new jeans!  I NEVER pass up a shopping opportunity :) especially one condoned and shared by dh.

Kate, I have heard of the meal thing.  Here it is called Dinner's Done.  It sounds awesome.  If I could find one for veggies, I would totally do it.  Cooking at the end of a long day of work/Sophie is not something I enjoy doing.  I have to say though dh is awesome about cooking if I do the meal planning he will do the actual prep/cook of the meal while I get Sophie down for the night...it's really wonderful.

Thanks for the bottle weaning input.  Sometimes I just start doing/thinking something just because I read it somewhere or someone else I know did it or is doing it and I forget to think for myself....I mean really.  Nikki it was such a breakthrough for me when you posted about homo milk and not really giving them tons of it to drink but just making sure they were getting the same nutrients etc...Anyhow.  It was a good reminder that I can make some decisions for my child...I don't have to do everything exactly the way a book/person suggests.  I know a thing or two about nutrition...so I can probably figure it out...probably :) Maybe :)

LOVED the steal blue pics of Carter.  LOL...too funny.  What a looker.  I want him for Sophie....Sorry all you mom's of the other girls...He's mine (I mean Sophie's :))

I still think Ryan and Katie are well suited...Erin and Kate you should really consider that...:)

Sorry about the ear infection Michelle.Hugs for the upcoming mayhem.  Ankie,  you just need to drop that little tiger off here when you guys come down...Sophie's going to have words with her about sleeping. 

Congrats to Cole!!! And Traci!!!  Good luck from here on.

BTW...Judy, I had to  chuckle a little as I was lurking on other threads and I noticed your post on the whole control issue in the discipline/social skills thread and I so appreciated what you said but I chuckled and thought...hmmm...she and I are a lot alike...hard to keep your mouth shutt huh? 

I have been working hard this weekend actually with Brendan because I have been noticing his tendency to lie a lot...about anything and everything.  I decided that maybe he lies because he is afraid we are going to say no to him...which I think we do a lot.  SO I have decided to really stop saying no so much...he is so agreeable, it is easy to say no to him because he just says "ok"...Buuuuuttttt apparently it's not so ok if he is doing the lying thing...more on that later.
Got to go to bed.
I wish we could chat every night :)
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 08, 2006, 05:27:12 am
Just got back from a MUCH-needed girls' night out with my best friend. She is expecting her first baby in June and I've already turned her on to BW. She's not read the book yet, but already said she wants to, so I'm going to get it for her b-day in March. Anyway, had a great time, but am so exhuasted. Just wanted to catch up real quick:

CATHY--sorry for your rough night. Adorable pics!!! Hope tonight is better for you. Those pics are priceless...what an adorable guy you have!

KATE---yeah!!!! Another chubby baby! How cute. We just got Meal Makers here and I was wondering what they were. I keep meaning to check it out...might have to give it a try. Do you just go and pick stuff out, or do you have to order ahead of time?

MICHELLE--did you give Mason formula in a sippy after he dropped the bottle at 8 months? Liv has also lost interest in her bottle now that she's eating more solids. (Her intersest has picked up again in the last couple of days, but I'm trying to figure out what to do if it drops again.)
I'm sorry about Molly's ear infection...hope she's feeling better soon.  :(

TRACI---yay!!!! for you and Cole! Way to go, Cole!! Hoping for a good night for you both!!

ANKIE----((((((((HUGS)))))))) to you. I wish I had advice, but I'm sorry to say I don't know. I know Liv did the separation anxiety thing pretty fierce last week. Nights seem to be much better now, but she's still pretty clingy during the day. And I got bit twice yesterday, too!!! Hang in there, and I hope things are better for you tonight.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 08, 2006, 06:13:50 am
Hello... back again... this time to read and respond (well, to some of you anyway)... and to vent (yet some more)

Traci... Congrats on the breakthrough tonight. We have had no such luck... still needs us to fall asleep... we don't mind that as much... takes us less than 10-15 minutes usually but it is the SLEEPING THROUGH that I want. (I am sure you can relate!!) Also, your little man is just developing in leap and bounds -- climbing up??? Holy moly! And did you say he could still fit into 3-6 month clothes in some makes?? Insane... crazy how different manufactures figures a size, huh?

Cathy... cute, cute pictures of Carter! I love the bath one... I love towel wrapped babies... I'll take naked too but towel wrapped is very cute.

Hayley... very cute about Daniel waving to DH. Can't wait for Arwyn to make that connection.

Karen... happy working!

Hannah... hmmm... weaning to a cup... books say 1 year but my gut tells me that between 12-18 months would be good. I know some children with bottles at 2 years and IMHO, that is too old... but... there are worse things, right?

Erin... thanks for the info on reading. I went to a conference where Richard Allington (sp) was the keynote... he cited similar stats. Really hits home that good readers continue to practice where poor readers just don't (and really need to be). I love teaching reading :!:  That's where my passion is! Uh-oh... could I be looking forward to going back to work?

Okay... I mentioned that today was a very clingy day. Yesterday night was the same thing. Do you think that Arwyn misses her daddy? DH was off during the holidays and we are a pretty home-body type of family so she got LOTS of Daddy time. He was back to work this week and only saw her for 1.5 hrs or so Tues. & Wed. and for only 0.5 hr on Thurs. On Fri. she freaked out if he left the room. He came into the kitchen to say hi when he came in from work and she smiled. When he turned around to leave (to change and take his contacts out) she had a meltdown in her highchair. Wanted him to pick her up and wouldn't let him put her back in, not even after 15 minutes of holding her. She wouldn't let him leave the bathroom either, during her bath. Today, she did pretty much the same thing BUT... she wouldn't let either of us leave her with the other. WTH? All three of us had to be in the same room. I left the living room and went into the kitchen where she could still see me... she freaked out and wanted me to hold her but I couldn't leave the room where DH was. Sheesh... what is going on?

Anyhow... I have been giving some thought to the "meat" meal at night. Because Arwyn eats so little, I have no idea if she is indeed full or not at night before she goes to bed. I haven't a clue whether she is truly hungry at night when she wakes either. I continue to feed out of sheer survival. I think she is hungry because she nurses well for about 5 minutes and that is her usual length of time during the day too. So... ladies... any suggestions to guarantee that she is full? I literally have to fight her for 30-45 minutes to get her to eat about 3 oz. of food. Tonight... all she ate was 25 Teddy bear shaped pasta (really tiny ones) and about 1.5 tablespoons of steamed peas. She wouldn't eat the fish congee I made, nor the yogurt, nor the prunes. Was just content picking up each flippin' little pea and popping it into her mouth. DH finally got tired of watching her and shovelled them into her mouth with a teaspoon (she won't take anything off her own spoons anymore) all the while, she is continuing to pick up each pea... la ti da... got all the time in the world style and popping them into her mouth.  :roll:

Between watching her eat/ figuring out what she will eat/ making it/ feeding it to her/ I am thoroughly frustrated. I am sure that this eating thing is part of the crazy night wakings. But... how do I know?

Also... (I know, this is turning out to be a long vent) she is having great naps again... 2 naps of 1.5 each. Should I be trying to shorten them to get her to sleep more at night? I am so confused... I don't want to screw up the naps as they are finally settling down and fairly consistent (with the exception of maybe a couple of days in the past month). What am I to do?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 07:43:10 am
Ankie, Nathan also has always been affected at the end of holidays when DH has been at home, it usually calms down when things get back to the norm.  She's probably going through a bit of separation anxiety too, it's a trying time alright and I hope the phase passes quickly.  As far as being full from dinner, is there any food at all that you know she will eat until full?  If I'm in doubt I know I can offer rice cereal after Danielle's dinner and she'll eat until she's had enough.

Nancy, your night out with your girlfriend sounds fun!

Hannah, I first heard about not HAVING to offer milk on this board when Nathan was about this age, I did a bunch of reading and confirmed what I felt.  Just make sure you're offering high fat alternatives as well.  Something I read the other day....quinoa is almost a super food and has a similar amount of protein as milk (it's a wheat free grain), so I've brought some to try with Nathan.  One of the recipes that Karen gave has cous cous which is a no-go for us, so I'm hoping that will be ok instead.

Traci, what's with the iron supplement for Cole?

OK, just going to share some quotes from some articles I've been reading that I really liked and thought you girls might find them interesting (mostly about toddlers, but the philosophy is the same for babies).  Here's the website I got them from for the full articles:

http://www.naomialdort.com/articles.html

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To respect and meet their needs is the best way to assure happy and cooperative children. Play and experimentation are the "job descriptions" of a toddler, and he needs our vote of confidence in him. Making a sculpture out of mashed potatoes harms no one, is low-cost, and cleanable. Running away from us at bedtime is an invitation for play, and taking apart an old phone is a learning adventure. Most no’s can turn into yes’s easily: "Yes, you like to cut books, here is a magazine you can cut."; "I see you are making a lake out of your juice. Here, let me move your project to the sink."; "Yes, you love to paint on the wall, here is a big sheet of paper." and "Yes, you can play with the phone." (I unplugged it).

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by myself. My commitment to order, self-discipline, and responsibility is being modeled with, or without, my children’s participation. Watching me clean up the food that spilled on the floor, or voluntarily helping me with this task (at his request), are much better teaching tools for Oliver than being coerced to do it by himself before he is truly ready for that stage. Similarly, my gentle tone of voice, and my generosity and kindness in responding to his needs teach him what a million words would fail to convey.


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When a young mother consulted me on how to stop her 2-year-old son from throwing his spoon and fork on the floor after each meal, I asked her how she was feeling about his behavior. She said she had been grinding her teeth with anger and frustration while trying to prevent him from developing bad table manners. But as she listened to her own inner conversation, she was able to separate her emotional reactions from the real needs of her child. She remembered the pain of feeling "used" as though she was the "slave" in her family. She recalled having to do chores she hated to do, and being scolded and shamed when she didn't do them well enough. She also remembered the pain inflicted on her if she acted with childlike freedom, and the inner fear that prevented her from being fully curious and vivacious as she grew up.

As she realized that her negative reaction to her son’s behavior was based on her own past hurts, she could see what was really going on for him: he wasn't exhibiting "bad table manners"; he was a young scientist, experimenting with gravity. When she was able to see things from her son’s point of view, she could then marvel at and enjoy his experiments as well as his other creative ideas. She could then play with him: she picked up the silverware, handed it back, and he dropped it again and again. They could both laugh at this, because she was going with, and not against, his need.

Not surprisingly, the "throwing spoon and fork on the floor" game disappeared by itself as her little boy became interested in other things and activities. His general behavior improved, and his mother’s ability to enjoy him grew by leaps and bounds. She learned to see her son as an individual with his own perspective and his own motives. Every stage in a child's life is there for a purpose. If we can respect and respond to their needs fully during each stage of life, they can be done with that stage and move on.

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What do we expect a child to learn when we tell him: "Say thank you to your friend"? Most parents believe that the child will learn to be grateful, and to express her sense of gratitude. But do children learn these things by being told to do them? How did we feel as children when told to say "thank you"? When did we really develop a sincere sense of gratitude? Did saying "thank you" before we had the feeling to match the words make us grateful? Or did we develop a sense of gratitude later on in no regard to those instructions? Is it possible that some of us feel resentful when needing to thank someone, share, or apologize, because as children we hated doing these things?

Maybe we are dealing with our inability to trust. Is it possible that gratitude is not likely to be felt by a child or at least not in the way adults feel and express it? Could it be that when childhood needs are fully satisfied, gratitude will naturally develop? Perhaps we need to allow children to observe gratitude, generosity and kindness, rather then teach these behaviors to them.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 08, 2006, 13:15:43 pm
Morning?? all!!  Thanks for the well wishes and thoughts for Molly. She seems a bit better this morning so maybe no infection yet!!  :lol:  :lol:
She was up quite a few times in the night still so could be just some separation anxiety tied into daycare, who knows? Also, up at 5 am :shock:  :shock: but went to bed at 5:15 so to be expected I suppose. She is happy so it's all good!


Nancy - yes, gave Mason his formula/milk out of a sippy or regular cup, I think starting when he was about 6 months old. By 8 months he pretty much had it mastered himself!  :shock:

Nikki - thanks again for the insightful quotes. I have bookmarked the site to read it when I have time (when I'm back at work later this week!!  :wink:) Great take on forcing kids to say "thank you" before they even realize what it means.

Well...back to work this Wednesday. Hopefully I will have time to catch up on here during the day or I will be one cranky girl!! "Uhhhhh sorry I couldn't do that report...I was checking my BW site." - Yes, you know you're addicted when...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 08, 2006, 13:28:50 pm
Hi ladies,

Thanks for the interesting reading Nikki!  I thought I had caught up but I seem to have missed why you don;t give Nathan milk to drink...just wondering why.

Hannah - I hadn;t even thought of weaning from bottles.  I hate to say but Sophie just seems to go along with most things so I don't get too uptight about stuff.

Traci - YEAH COLE!  I hope he did well last night, remember this success if he regresses!!  I bought a GERRY potty for Sophie.  I could have sworn it was safety first but I went and looked and it says GERRY on it  :?: !  I like it and bought it b/c Sophie can sit on it and still have her feet on the floor for balance, I think it really helps her feel more comfortable.

Erin - thanks for the reading info, very interesting!  I always read to Sophie but I am not thinking that will make her a 'reader' per say.  My mom read to myelf and both my brothers ALL the time but I am the only reader in the family!  I also think that I had wonderful teachers while I was in my early years at school, the first time I got a bad teacher was grade 7 and she was horrific but besides her I had wonderful teachers.  Out of the 4+ we have here are any of you high school teachers?

Ankie - {{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}} 

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We have had no such luck... still needs us to fall asleep... we don't mind that as much... takes us less than 10-15 minutes usually but it is the SLEEPING THROUGH that I want.

Do you think that b/c Arwyn needs you to fall asleep that she also needs you to fall back asleep when she wakes up?  Please tell me to stuff it if you like, I just sort of had a light bulb moment when I read that.  I don't know what to tell you about food, I am in the same boat - Sophie is adament about feeding herself.  She basically refuses anything off a spoon, execpt in the morning.  I have started giving her penne instead of macaroni, I give her the whole banana, the bottom of the bun instead of strips.  Basically I give her bigger things so she takes bigger bites and she does.  I made her turkey patties and if I cut it into little pieces she takes forever to eat but if I give her the whole patty it takes half the    time.  Also I thingk 2 naps of 1.5 hours are great and I would leave them.

Nancy - hmmmm a night out, what is that?  I hope your friend gets on the BW wagon!  So glad Liv is back to sleeping, phew.

Hayley - How cute is Daniel?

Cathy - great pic's, i had a good laugh re. the Zoolander reference, so totally gouuud louuking!

Well here is our house in a nutshell this weekend; I have raging PMS and DH is trying to quit smoking, ya probably not the best combination!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 13:29:25 pm
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BTW...Judy, I had to  chuckle a little as I was lurking on other threads and I noticed your post on the whole control issue in the discipline/social skills thread and I so appreciated what you said but I chuckled and thought...hmmm...she and I are a lot alike...hard to keep your mouth shutt huh? 

:)  Was I being blunt?  I try to hold back a bit but not always successful.  :)

Micky - the chamomilla I get in tiny vials of pellets, find them at my grocery store in the natural food/remedy section.  I crush 3 pellets between two metal spoons then give the powdery stuff to them on a baby spoon.

Nikki - awesome quotes - I really like what she has to say.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 08, 2006, 15:03:27 pm
Hi girls, I think the last post I had was on page 13 or so.....
I have been watching, just not really felt up to much with being sick.
I can't be long on here, Jay and Ri are both very clingy today :roll:
I was wondering something, seems we did the card thingy at christmas, how about doing a post card thingy....I was thinking it would be a neat way to show eachother where we all live, especially as we are all so far apart.....
Righty ho, back to the land of clingdom......
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 08, 2006, 15:56:47 pm
Ankie - I forgot earlier to ask if you are still feeding Arwyn purees?  For protein Sophie loves egg and tuna which are easier.  I have an ever expanding skill set with new and tasty finger foods if you would like me to PM you a few of the things that I have made for Sophie that have been successful as there was alot of trial and error.
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Post by: Erin M on January 08, 2006, 17:01:06 pm
Nikki - I liked those quotes, thank you for sharing the article. 

Traci - random thought - is it possible you're giving Cole too much iron and that could be causing his morning rabbit poops?  Katie eats a fair amount of cereal 1-2 meals a day and has vitamins, but no drops that are strictly iron.  What I was PG the doc made me take extra iron, but warned that it might make me constipated.

Richelle - Teaching - I've formally taught grades 1-8 and tutored at the high school and college levels.  Spent the most time teaching 8th grade.  As for reading, I don't think that we need to worry about turning our kids into readers as much as making sure they get exposed to loads of print and making reading a positive experience.  I too know lots of people whose parents read to them, had great teachers, etc, but didn't become readers.  However, it's not just books we're talking about here too, but internet, magazines, stuff like that.  Oh, and if you're sending finger food ideas, can you send some my way too?  I'm noticing that Katie is less and less interested in what comes off a spoon and more interested in what she can pick up herself. 

Ankie - my thought is to keep those good naps she's been getting as they will hopefully keep her from being overtired.  Oh, and I love teaching reading too (can't you tell?) - found my way there a few years ago and have been taking some courses on and off the past few years.  As for food, is she okay with bigger finger foods?  I find that Katie can eat quite a bit of finger foods and in much bigger pieces than I thought originally.  Katie is also less interested in pureed stuff than she has been, though if you think of it, they really should be moving in that direction.  Now, she'll eat good-sized pieces of bread, cheese, small pieces of meat and fruit and veggies, cut up pasta....I think she still gets more nutrition from her purees, but we're definitely moving away from them.   I find the whole power struggle with the spoon to be way more trouble than just giving her finger foods, though it does sound as if Katie eats much faster than Arwyn (she's a two fister when it comes to grabbing foods!).  Hope things get better soon.

Nancy - glad you got a night out!

Time to go check out Judy's discipline post - now I'm curious.

Here's a couple of our Christmas pictures I've been meaning to post...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 17:33:22 pm
Richelle, with the milk, I guess to start with it was just a bit of a realisation tht I didn't *have* to offer milk (I just don't like being told I need to *do* something  :roll: ) to drink, we don't really drink it in our house except in hot drinks and cooking.  And knowing that it could easily be replaced through other food (and not just dairy) made better sense to me than chugging (thanks Naomi  :wink: ) through a litre of milk a day or however much.  To me, milk was pushed because it's an easy way for the majority of people to get it.  Other dairy products like cheese and yoghurt are a purer form of drinking milk (unless you drink raw milk) and if there is chance of lactose intolerance they are better for you as well.  So really it's just taking the pressure off up to comply to some hard rule, and trust that we can do it another way. 

Another good night here, although Danielle's now taken to waking up at 5.45am and waking before Nathan.  :roll:  He's obviously trained her so well over the months... :lol:

Thanks for the reading perspective (can't remember if I said so before, and I asked the question!  :oops: ).  I have heard that simply having high exposure to books is the key (something like a 1000 books gives the ability to be able to read?) and that's what we've always done.  I have been a little slack with Danielle, but have started trying to read to her more. 

Finger foods, ours are quite large and chunky now, she takes a bite (well a no teeth variety of bite) and does well, we've even moved onto cooked carrot sticks, but I just need to watch that I take the end off her that's left in her hand because it can tend to all be shoved in at the end. 

Judy, I think your responses are great, I think people probably expect blunt and in fact people tend to hold back until you get in there...

Ankie, I 2nd Richelle's question about how Arwyn falls asleep.  Does she go down awake at bedtime (apparently this is the most important place to work on independent sleep).

Erin, those photo's are sooo adorable!

Yuck, just having a cuppa and it tastes disgusting!  We're kind of in drought levels here (even though there's been heaps of rain  :roll: ) and the town's running on bore water and it takes like dirt!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 08, 2006, 19:31:55 pm
Good afternoon!!!  I must admit I am still in my pj's!!!!  DH took Carter after I bf him this morning (after his 8:00am wakeup!!!) and fed him, played with him etc until nap time.  Then I got up to put him down for a nap and DH and I both had a nap!!  Then I got up and cleaned house soooo no chance to get dressed yet!!  :D   It had been a very relaxing day for a change.  I even made some more baby food (avocado, pear and mango).

Carter had a great night!  After taking an hour to put him to sleep (finally down at 9:15!!!) he didn't wake again until 8 am.  DH and I had a late dinner (mine cold ... Thanks Carter) and watched 40 Year old Virgin.  Anyone see it yet?  I think Dh was more amused than I was.

My night wasn't so hot though **The following may be TMI** :(   I woke up at 3:00am to the sound of my dog vomiting. So, got up to clean that up and threw him outside where he also had diarrhea.  Had to put him out again at 5:30.  Hope he's not too sick.  To add to that my cat was vomiting/diarrhea all yesterday.  There aren't that many diseases that are contagious to both of them so who knows what's up.  Too bad my work is closed and my boss on vacation so I can't have them checked out.  I definitely don't want to go to the emerg clinic and pay full price when I could wait until tomorrow and get my discount at my work.  I'm a bad momma!!!!
The worst part is ... my dog Boss sleeps in his cage which is in the room across the hall from Carter's and ours.  The cage is VERY noisy to open (it's all metal and clangs etc) and usually wakes Carter up.  Therefore I wait until the furnace comes on in the house to mask the noise of me opening the cage and the dog running on the hardwood to the opposite end of the house to go out.  It's such an ordeal!  I'm such a freak! Needless to say Carter did not wake up!!!!

Kate:  We have something very similar to Meal Makers here but we have never tried it.  Friends of ours got a gift cert as a wedding present and they said it was great ... very convenient!!

Ankie:  I think 2 - 1.5 hr naps is great.  That is what Carter has right now and I am definitely trying to hold on to them for as long as possible!!!  As for meat at dinner .. I just started making sure that he has meat with his dinner.  I used to always give it with lunch in case it upset him at all but he sleeps better when he has it at night.  So, for dinner he gets chicken or turkey and a veg and a fruit and half a cookie plus some Nutrios!  Then before his bath he has cereal.  Before bed he has bottle of expressed milk and both boobs!!  So, when he wakes in the night I am pretty sure it isn't from hunger (I hope anyway)

Traci:  Erin made a good point about the iron.  It does cause constipation if you have too much.  Maybe that is what is causing Cole to have hard poops which in turn could make him uncomfortable through the night.

Erin:  Cute pics!!!!  Her eyes are so blue!!!

Have a good day everyone .. must go get dressed!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 08, 2006, 20:26:09 pm
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Nikki it was such a breakthrough for me when you posted about homo milk and not really giving them tons of it to drink but just making sure they were getting the same nutrients etc...Anyhow. It was a good reminder that I can make some decisions for my child...I don't have to do everything exactly the way a book/person suggests. I know a thing or two about nutrition...so I can probably figure it out...probably  Maybe 
yes, i meant to thank you nikki.  cole has taken to yoghurt and cheese so far...so i'm thinking that as long as i give him milk in cereal etc if he doesn't take to it right away it won't be the end of the world.  That is...if I want some time away then DH can make stuff with milk and he won't be any worse for wear.

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We have had no such luck... still needs us to fall asleep... we don't mind that as much... takes us less than 10-15 minutes usually but it is the SLEEPING THROUGH that I want.
Ankie-you need to read below with my report because cole SLEPT THROUGH last night and I don't think it's a coincidence that he did it after falling asleep independantly.  shucks, just gave away my big news :D

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Also... (I know, this is turning out to be a long vent) she is having great naps again... 2 naps of 1.5 each. Should I be trying to shorten them to get her to sleep more at night?
sorry i can't help with your food issues ankie...but i would leave the naps for now.  I don't think you can assume she's having too much sleep until she sleeps through.  Cole had 2:50 of naps yesterday and slept through as an eg.  (not trying to rub it in...just trying to help :wink: )

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Traci, what's with the iron supplement for Cole?
have given it since 4 months onwards on advice from ped.  standard practice here in Cda if you're breastfeeding.  Judy-are you not giving iron, D, and maybe now even Vit. C?  I am thinking i need to move to a tri-vitamin supplement.  haven't read the rest of your post nikki-will later.  had to pop on to naps and DH needs the pc back.

I really gotta pick up the pace here...just noticed that a couple people (richelle and nikki i think) seconded my opinion that arwyn needs to fall asleep independantly.

michelle-meant to mention that cole loves avocado and it's great with banana.  maybe just make her stuff chunkier instead of pureeing for now.  how'd it go with the toast.

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Traci - random thought - is it possible you're giving Cole too much iron and that could be causing his morning rabbit poops?
maybe, I had been lazy with the supplement for a while...but Hayley PMd me about lack of iron possibly causing restless legs in babies so i had reintrod it.  let me stop for a couple of days now that he's sleeping and i'll see. thanks!

k girls, the best part of the post.  COLE SLEPT THROUGH  He slept from 8-4:30, short feed then down until 6:30.  had a 45 min. morning nap (probably because more rested) and is past the hour mark on nap two.  WOO HOO.  I really felt it was going to happen last night.

anyhoo, anyone watch nip/tuck finale last night.  Holy intense batman...i was on the edge of my seat!

gotta run, hoping to be back tonight though...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 08, 2006, 20:39:29 pm
Here is the problem with lurking over a day or so.  Can't remember what you've commented on and what you've just thought in your head.  Hmmmm.  Don't want to offend.
GORGEOUS pictures of Carter and Katie. 
Ankie, I, too, thought about trying to get her to sleep independently at the beg. of the night.  Should help with the middle of the night wakings.  Why not try it, eh?  You've tried everything else, poor lady!   :?   As always, (((hugs))) and many sleep vibes~~~~~ sent your way!   :D
Traci, way to go on the waiting outside the room!!!  That makes sense b/c he used to do that little bit of a cry before naps, right?  Stay strong and you'll crack these sleep issues!  And, too funny with the play-by-play theft shots.  I give Ryan that Poly-Vi-Sol with Iron...is that what you use?
Way to go to Danielle, too.  These babes are really starting to shape up!   :)
Finger Food  :?: :  I know Richelle said she gave mandarin oranges.  (Freakish mom ? warning)  Do you take off the outer skin of the segment or just give her the whole thing?  We had some Clementines (yummy!) and I sort of peeled the outer skin thing (not meaning the outside peel of the whole thing...I'm not THAT dumb) and gave him the inside.  Quite labor intensive.  Are yours canned so that part might be softer?  Hmmmm. 
GLORIOUSLY BEAUTIFUL day here today.  (Sorry, had to shout!)  It is almost 70 degrees!  We took Ryan out in his new wagon yesterday and he LOVED it.  Think we'll do the same today.  We also might set up the blanket on the lawn and do some wrestling.  Ryan tries to crawl off it and we drag him back.  Doesn't seem to tire of this one.  After this weekend, it won't be nearly nice enough again until March or April, I'm sure. 
Ryan woke up at 6 today with lots of brief periods of shouting.  Think it's that t#*!h again.  (I'm reverting to this method.  Blasted thing is taking FOREVER!)  Still no sign of it, though.  Think he was in and out of sleep for an hour.  Got him up at 7 b/c he had to go to church today to celebrate being baptised last year.  So, (I'm getting to the point  :oops: ) I had to wake him up after an hour of nap # 1 or we'd have been late.  Now he is 1.5 into Nap # 2.  I figured it was a good day to test out his reaction to being woken early.  I'll keep you posted on his reaction during the witching hour.
Okay, really going to go do something now.  We put away the Christmas tree  :(  and I cleaned the living room/dining room/foyer, so that feels like enough work for Sunday.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 08, 2006, 20:42:19 pm
WAHOOOOOOOO for Traci and Cole!  (Posted while I was typing my novel).  How great do you feel today?   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 08, 2006, 20:44:49 pm
No Judy definately not too blunt and anyhow, I really appreciate your thoughts and comments...so...:)

Nikki thanks for the great quotes...this site is helping me so much not just with Sophie but with Brendan and my students...how wonderful is that?

A big Waaaahhhhooooo for Cole!!!

Ankie, I would agree not to mess with the naps yet at least.

There's more but I think I've used up all my time for now...I'll be back later.
Hannah

naomi, I would love to do postcards except that i haven't even done my xmas cards yet so I don't think I could participate unless I could somehow combine the two :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 08, 2006, 20:54:44 pm
I must take a moment to brag on my LO. I was a little nervous about church this morning...we usually put Liv in the nursery, but with her clinginess and SA recently, I wasn't sure that would fly. We tried it, and she did great! Even took a 30-min nap in there, which she NEVER does! She was in such a good mood, we decided to go out for lunch (which we haven't done in a VERY long time!)...not only was she happy the whole time, she was a hit with the wait staff...waving at them and smiling and laughing. It was like we got another piece of our life back. Anyone else feeling that way, now that the LOs are getting a bit older? Now she's down for a nap, and I must go get some things done, but first:

ANKIE--sorry to hear you're still battling sleep issues. Sounds like it could be separation anxiety, IMHO. Looking back, I think that's what was the deal with Liv last week and over the holidays. Other things may have contributed, but I think SA was the biggest. Now that things are back to "normal" she's gone back to her old sleeping patterns. She also continued to nap well when she was waking at night. I didn't mess with naps, b/c I was so thankful to have the naptime myself, and the night wakings eventually worked themselves out and the naps stayed consistent. HTH

ERIN--those pics are too cute! What a beautiful girl!!

CATHY---yeah!!! for Carter's good night...sorry yours wasn't so great!

TRACI---yeah!!! for Cole (and you) getting some sleep.

Hang in there ANKIE...others have come through it...maybe your breakthrough night is on the way!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 08, 2006, 22:10:17 pm
Just a quick hello, as I'm sure Daniel will wake any moment.

Yay Cole - Well done Traci !!!!!

Ankie, I'm with the others keep those naps

Erin, gorgeous photos of Katie, I think the last one looks like she's posing for Vogue.  :wink:

Nikki, interesting reading. It's really good hearing what you and Judy have to say, I agree with most of what I read but I still struggle with a few things. Like saying thank you, I know they don't really understand, but I can't imagine not having my children saying please and thank you, or apologising if they hurt someone. I know mostly it's just 'saying the words' rather than really meaning it, but I still think it's polite, considerate etc. Ok, so now I'm sounding really old school and you probably think I should be banished from talking to you all, but I guess that's just me. I guess Daniel will just have a bit of the philosophy that you two are going by, plus some of the other ones too. Do you think that matters? Would it be confusing?? Oh no, and I thought sleep and eating with big issues....... the next step sounds really hard!

Better go, off to get Daniel's lunch ready so I can go to a friends house when he wakes up. It looks like we're back to 1.5h naps again. Yay! Must be cos DH is back at work.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 08, 2006, 22:23:41 pm
HOORAY Traci and Cole!  That must have felt great!  And if his 4:30 AM feed was only a short one, maybe that won't be too hard to get rid of.

Cathy - Holy cow, and I thought Katie ate a lot for dinner!  That's a lot of food you feed that kid!  Hope the dog and cat are doing better.

I was just looking at all our tickers and noticing how close the LOs are getting to the end of them!  Scary!

Seriously though, where did Lisa get to?  Did she tell us she was going somewhere and I missed it?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 08, 2006, 22:34:07 pm
Erin awesome pictures!!!

Traci - yahooooo for you and Cole :)  How awesome is that eh?

As for vitamins - no I don't give any supplements.  I know it's standard recommendation but I don't.  In fact iron and constipation is one of the reasons I am not giving the babies formula.  I switched Sarah to homo milk early too because Similac stopped making their low iron formula.  I found with both Zoe and Sarah that the iron fortified formula caused them big problems (with each one I accidentally bought a can of the wrong stuff and ended up tossing it).

If Cole is getting 10tbsp of cereal a day then he's getting 100% of his iron needs right there.  My pedi said that was the thing with the milk - if cereal intake wasn't sufficient for iron intake then to supplement.  I'm just going to stick to breastmilk and not worry about it.

I gotta get them willing to eat more foods still.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 08, 2006, 23:13:11 pm
Hi Everyone

OK, first things first - Lisa went on holidays at the beach.  I was supposed to call her and we were going to meet and catch up for a coffee but I was too busy relaxing that I didn't get around to it  :oops:   I would have thought she'd be back by now and I'm surprised that she hasn't posted but don't worry everyone, I'm sure she still loves us (well, you guys at least.  I'm the one who didn't call her)

So I was up for a couple of hours during the night last night  (:roll: let's just not go there) and I was thinking about that stuff that you posted Nikki.  I was wondering about one thing and then when I got on this morning Hayley had already said it:

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Like saying thank you, I know they don't really understand, but I can't imagine not having my children saying please and thank you, or apologising if they hurt someone. I know mostly it's just 'saying the words' rather than really meaning it, but I still think it's polite, considerate etc. Ok, so now I'm sounding really old school and you probably think I should be banished from talking to you all, but I guess that's just me.

So I get that there's a difference between understanding and true gratitude, but what about manners (I'm not saying your kids don't have manners, please don't take it that way, I'm just trying to work it out).

The other thing is (and this has probably been covered, sorry) what about when your LO wants to explore and you want to let them, but EVERYTHING appealing to them is dangerous.  Fraser is like a magnet to powerpoints, power cords, the toilet and toilet brush, cupboard doors where his fingers get jammed, pulling on pedestal fans and things that he'll pull over on himself, you get the picture.  So I don't want to say NO NO constantly, but when I try to redirect he is just straight back to whatever it is that I've just moved him away from.   Thoughts anyone?

OH and one last thing - Ankie - we've been working for WEEKS AND WEEKS on independent sleep for the first falling asleep of the night (like Nikki said, I've heard this is the most important one) and while we still have wakings our nights are generally a bit better (baby steps  :wink: )  We are still in the room right until he falls asleep but he is in his bed and we may or may not have our hands on him.  We will work slowly slowly on getting out of the room but for now this seems to be going ok.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 23:14:53 pm
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Nikki, interesting reading. It's really good hearing what you and Judy have to say, I agree with most of what I read but I still struggle with a few things. Like saying thank you, I know they don't really understand, but I can't imagine not having my children saying please and thank you, or apologising if they hurt someone. I know mostly it's just 'saying the words' rather than really meaning it, but I still think it's polite, considerate etc. Ok, so now I'm sounding really old school and you probably think I should be banished from talking to you all, but I guess that's just me. I guess Daniel will just have a bit of the philosophy that you two are going by, plus some of the other ones too. Do you think that matters? Would it be confusing?? Oh no, and I thought sleep and eating with big issues....... the next step sounds really hard!

Hayley, I don't think you're old school at all.  And in fact have always asked Nathan to say please and thank you but just never made a HUGE issue of it as in demanding that he do it (I used to just say the words for him, but have never withheld something until he performs the action I require kwim?) - I model it for him but don't badger him over it.  Everyone has their own method and that's absolutely cool with me after all I'm no expert.   :wink:   I just find it fascinating to read all these different perspectives (and the philosophy behind it) and draw on what resonates with me.  Just like BW, it's not a total fit for everyone you take from it what you want.  I know a bunch of mums that decided all they wanted from BW was the strict routine, but decided to do CIO, so even though they read in black and white why it's not a good idea, they do what they want anyway.

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I guess Daniel will just have a bit of the philosophy that you two are going by, plus some of the other ones too. Do you think that matters? Would it be confusing??

I've changed my own philosophy over time, so we're always learning.  And because I've got a lot stuff I want to change about the way I parent, it's a slow process, so I still use a bit of controlling stuff because it's hard work for me to completely break away, so Nathan gets a bit of both methods - I don't necessarily think he gets confused over it, but I sure see behaviour problems creeping in when I get too controlling and to me that's the trigger I need to curb the way I parent.  Plus I'm only just into chapter 2 of UP, and already seeing ways I can improve... :)

Traci, yay for your good night!

Nancy, great for Liv doing well in the nursery.  I also think I'm past the whole baby thing now and life is starting to return to some sense of normality (if that's possible!).

Cathy, I have the same issue with our dog racing out of the laundry in the morning across the wooden floors, fortunately it's not a huge deal now that Nathan is older and is actually up first in this house.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 23:23:14 pm
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The other thing is (and this has probably been covered, sorry) what about when your LO wants to explore and you want to let them, but EVERYTHING appealing to them is dangerous. Fraser is like a magnet to powerpoints, power cords, the toilet and toilet brush, cupboard doors where his fingers get jammed, pulling on pedestal fans and things that he'll pull over on himself, you get the picture. So I don't want to say NO NO constantly, but when I try to redirect he is just straight back to whatever it is that I've just moved him away from. Thoughts anyone?

Jo, we posted at the same time.   Well my thoughts are that you just move EVERYTHING dangerous (pulling down things etc), put saftey plugs in sockets, tuck cords away, close bathroom doors.  Yes it's a pain, but you will never always be able to be in the room with him all the time to ensure he doesn't get into something dangerous and they won't learn NO and follow through for quite a while yet.  Now that Nathan's his age, I have all those things out.  It's actually not about not saying "no", it's how you go about it as well.  You educate them, distract them, not let them necessarily run riot.  Some things just may not be worth the hassle of saying no to - like emptying out the kitchen cupboard of pots and pans, it might be a PITA to you, but really is it a problem at the end of the day.....anyway, JMHO. :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 08, 2006, 23:34:55 pm
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We had some Clementines (yummy!) and I sort of peeled the outer skin thing (not meaning the outside peel of the whole thing...I'm not THAT dumb) and gave him the inside. Quite labor intensive. Are yours canned so that part might be softer? Hmmmm.
i think canned ones don't have the inner membrane...is that the word you're looking for :wink:  Believe it or not...this is how DH eats ALL of his oranges and clementines.  Unless the clementines are super soft.  He just finds them more enjoyable that way.

I only do iron and D supplements...but heard poly-vi-sol might be more appropriate now.  will talk to my ped on friday. 

Kate-we took Cole out in his sled last night and today and he loved it as well. Isn't it fun to see the joy on their face :D

yay for Olivia at church.

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The other thing is (and this has probably been covered, sorry) what about when your LO wants to explore and you want to let them, but EVERYTHING appealing to them is dangerous. Fraser is like a magnet to powerpoints, power cords, the toilet and toilet brush, cupboard doors where his fingers get jammed, pulling on pedestal fans and things that he'll pull over on himself, you get the picture. So I don't want to say NO NO constantly, but when I try to redirect he is just straight back to whatever it is that I've just moved him away from. Thoughts anyone?
Jo-totally hear you on this.  i only let him explore freely in rooms where I've removed all the danger points...well-most of them anyway.  I found that if I let him play with something while i supervise then he loses interest.  for example, he'll pull out the kitchen vent cover.  it is plastic.  while it is not dangerous...the venting under it is sharp.  since i've let him pull it out a couple of times and smack it around he's left it alone more and more.  likely not an option with all things, but maybe with some of them?

hmmm, missed the bit about carter eating a lot...will have to go back later.  it's bathtime now.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 08, 2006, 23:47:20 pm
Yes, I'm back,  :roll:  I was trying to eat my lunch but kept thinking about this so better quickly post before DH gets really slacked off at me...(you know when you're addicted to BW when...)

Just to do with my post about not doing whole milk....just wanted to clarify that I'm referring to after 12mths when you're thinking of weaning from breastmilk or formula not as a meal replacement yet (although here we can use it in cooking etc from now).  OK, off to eat my omelette...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 01:17:13 am
Pleases and Thank You's - I think I took a good idea out of the UP book - I don't require/ask my girls to say please or thank you here at home anymore.  Interestingly Sarah caught on to it much faster without the prompting - simply modelling.  You'll find your children say all sorts of things you say without you asking them too - for example, both girls will go up to the babies when they are crying and say "I know sweetie... it's ok".  I've never ever asked them to say anything to a crying baby - but they see me do it all the time. DH and I say please and thank you to the girls ALL the time and they say it back to us quite regularly.  Sarah pretty much all the time.  And Zoe is at an age that you can really see true feeling in it - I'll come home from the store with a pack of socks for her and she'll gush "oh thank you thank you for the beautiful new socks mom  I love them" :)  But what I took from the book was the idea of telling them - say on our way for Christmas "try to remember to say thank you to everyone for your gifts because it seems that saying thank you is a very important thing to many people"  So I'm not asking them to just blindly say something they don't feel - I'm explaining that even if they don't feel it Grandma is going to expect it.  But it's so hard - when we are there and they've opened gifts I can't resist the urge to ask them again to say thank you because I KNOW my parents and everyone for that matter is expecting it and waiting. Heck my dad will say "now what do you say" :roll:   But honestly I find they say so many things that we say just from seeing it.

And do things we do - in fact tonight Zoe unbuckled Kaia and took her out of her feeding chair!! :shock:  Dh thankfully turned around just as she was about to walk away.  I'm sure she would have been fine with her but gosh we are really trying to explain to her that it isn't such a good idea for her to just do these things on her own without asking for help or asking us to be there with her.

Jo, getting in to things... as has already been said, we remove really dangerous things or explore with them on others (like the fan - holding it so it can't fall)  I also explain and try to show them why things can be dangerous.  Like the stove, it's hard to resist a strong "do NOT touch that it's hot!"  but then again it isn't always hot so why should they trust my word then?  So I try to have them move a hand slowly closer to the oven so they can start to feel the heat and then notice that it gets hotter as they move closer (actually do this with steaming food on their plate - they don't like to get too close to the stove).  Our stove has very few hot spots even when it is on so it's a hard thing to teach and yet other's stoves are not so 'safe'.  Just today Sarah was standing on a kitchen chair backwards, leaning on the back of it facing the back (make sense?) anyway she started banging onto the back and quite honestly we thought she might tip it and then smack face first into the floor.  We told her this but she didn't care "blah blah blah" so dh stood there and gave the chair a tiny pull as she banged on it and it did start to tip.  Now he was holding it, not that she realized this, but it helped her to understand what he meant and it was done with him controlling it so she was safe the entire time (not that she knew this so perhaps it wasn't so nice, perhaps he should have told her first he was going to do it).  It's all about helping them to learn what you feel they need to know to be safe so they are able to make informed decisions rather than just obey the word 'no'.  And many things like cupboards we just let them have at it.  (moving/locking knives and such).  They DO bash fingers in cupboards :( and how awful but I can't protect them from everything - it's not life threatening so I consider it good learning and REAL learning.  Does that seem mean?  I'm not setting them up to bash fingers.  And some things like electrical sockets, we plug and once they figure out how to unplug them well I just try to distract them on to something else more interesting which in my house takes getting involved with them rather than just suggesting something by words.  The word NO seems to just teach them to say no all the time :roll: and does not deter them from what they are doing - at least not in this house.

As I've been told by others - question everything...  why can't they jump on the couch?  Isn't it their couch too?  Is there a REAL chance they'll get hurt?  How seriously realisitically?  Not to say they should jump on the couch, just an example of questioning questioning questioning.  The UP book says we do most things out of fear - fear they'll get hurt, fear they'll bother other people (Sophie singing in the store :) I still just love that!), fear they'll be disrespectful, fear someone will snatch them away (I have a hard time not going with my gut on this - but I'm ok with being fearful of this).  For me it's about being real with myself and with them about why I think they should/shoudn't do things.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 09, 2006, 01:32:49 am
Such interesting reading! 
Thanks for the orange info, Traci.  Maybe I'll pick some up for Ryan. 

I've posted some cutie pics of Ry-Dawg in the photo gallery, in case you're interested.   :D  8)
http://www.babywhisperer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=338409#338409
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 01:37:25 am
I reread my last post and hope it didn't sound weird. By saying I feel like we're getting our lives back, I hope you didn't think I meant anything bad. It's not like I resent Liv or our decision to conceive or anything like that. But I think you all know what I mean about "life returning to some state of normalcy." DH laughs (and gets frustrated, I'm sure) at me, b/c any sign of "problem" (night wakings, short naps, etc.) I automatically jump to "She's never going to sleep all night/take long naps/etc. again!! Life as we know it is over!" (I can be a bit dramatic at times.) So, needless to say, adjusting to life with a newborn was quite the adjustment! It's nice to see that life does return to some state of normal...

Just wanted to clarify.

Off to enjoy a relaxing evening and get to bed early. My goal is to wake up early and hit the treadmill before Liv wakes up. (Macaire, you've inspired me!)

Goodnight all!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 09, 2006, 01:45:09 am
OK, I'm starting to get this (I think)  I like your approach to the please's and thankyou's Judy - can see this being a BIG ISSUE in the years to come.

So the safety thing - I guess I need to stand back and not hover so much re things like jamming fingers etc.  (Would have to say, DH is MUCH worse than me LOL about hovering - I swear F's first word will be NO, NO FRASER NO!)  So do you let your LO's stand in the bath?  Grab at the taps?  These are problems in our house at the moment....  (Sorry to be so microlevel on this - just trying to think about this in a practical sense)

Thanks
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 09, 2006, 01:53:26 am
Love the pics Kate!  Especially the little wagon one, I've heard wagon's are a big American thing.  One of the mums from our playgroup had her ds in the States and they brought back a RadioFlyer wagon for him and all the kids love riding in it.

Nancy, I totally got what you meant and when I reread my reply maybe it came out as being like I was over children LOL.

Judy, yes, I agree with the things they come out with through modelling dispite us not asking them to say things.  It's the genuine appreciation for something and saying thank you and you actually HEAR the pleasure.  Also, we get the little "are you ok Nanielle?" if she coughs or something.  And I think Hannah had a similar experience with Brendan too.  I think though it's getting past the social expectation to display manners and a little rote reply and if there isn't a reply it's interpreted as being rude, whereas to me you could get a child saying a bland "thank you" and toss the toy aside vs. an expression of "oooooh" and excited play - that to me shows gratitude a lot more and you know it's genuine.  I like the response that UP give though, a thank you is required for others and children will learn to give that type of response (as in how human nature works) - does that make sense?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 09, 2006, 01:54:29 am
*Warning ... rant ahead!!!* kinda long - SORRY!!

So tonight we had young married couples life group (basically a few friends from church get together and discuss) and we took Carter along.  The people who's house it was at had gotten a girl from church to come and babysit.  So, DH takes Carter down to the lower level where all the toys are and the only other child (almost 2).  Anyway, for the 1st hour we didn't hear a peep so I was very pleased.  I must add that the meeting was from 5-7 so that is usual dinner, bath, getting calmed down for bed time.  Anyway I hear Carter start to cry .. and not just any cry.  The kind that breaks a mother's heart.  The kind that says "Where are you Mom, I'm feeling abandoned and I don't recognize anyone around me and I am totally overwhelmed".  So, I get up to go down to get him and am met with looks of disapproval.  Luke and I are the youngest ones there but the oldest couple (and the only other ones there with kids) are just 30.  They start giving me excuses like "he's teething" or "Luke (the 2 yr old) probably took his toy".  I am thinking first of all, it's my child and he NEEDS me and second of all, Carter could care less if someone takes his toy!!!  So I go downstairs and he is sitting in the middle of the room ALL by HIMSELF crying huge crocodile tears and looking so sad  :shock:  :( .  So I played with him for half an hour and got him calmed down enough that I thought I could go back to the discussion. I should have stayed with him but I knew I would never hear the end of it.  Half an hour goes by and he's quiet and playing.  I had told the babysitter girl that if he cries  try to entertain him, help him stand and walk (which he loves) or push him on the little car thing.  All of a sudden I hear a horrible thud ... the kind that you know will be followed by silence leading up to one of those really loud screams (you know the ones I am talking about).  Anyway, we are in the middle of a prayer so I start to get up but am unsure of the protocol at these things (I'm a newbie to life group!).  One of the other ladies (th eonly other lady with kids) whispers "you're doing so well, we're almost done" and everyone else carries on like there isn't a screaming child only feet away.  I get up and run to get my poor baby (to much disapproval).  When I picked him up I said" Oh poor baby did you fall and hit ... something?" as I look at the babysitter girl and she IGNORES me!!!  Like she was trying to hide the fact that he had fallen and had a huge red mark on his forehead!!!
Anyway, I wasn't very happy with the whole evening esp since Carter is in the middle of seperation anxiety.  You should have seen him cling to me for dear life.  I am really hoping that it doesn't affect his sleep tonight.  Maybe I am overreacting but I don't think so.  I am definitely not going to put him in that situation again.

Traci:  YEAH Cole!!!!  Finally!!!  Your persistance paid off!!  Way to go!!!
As for vit supplements, my ped never even recommended them to me??!! :roll:

Erin:  When Carter is done all that food he still wants more!  Plus he is only at the 30th percentile or something for weight.  Although his dinner (the meat/fruit and veg's) only total around 4oz plus the 1/2 cookie and 15-20 nutrios.  Then his cereal is about 1/2cup. The ebm is usually only 2-3oz and then both boobs ( so that's anyones guess on amount!).  I hope I am not giving him too much food!  I thought there was someone else who ate that much ... maybe Sophie (Grand Cayman)  I can't remember!!!

Ankie:  Independant sleep is something that is very important and somethign we are still working on!!  I am always in the room until he falls asleep.  I am at the point where I don't have to touch him or anything but I do have to be there.  Last night I kept going in and out of the room and he eventually fell asleep without me there so I thought we were making some progress.  In the middle of the night he usually always puts himself back to sleep so I know he is capable.  Stay strong!!  You are next in line for a breakthrough!!!!

Have a great night everyone!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 09, 2006, 01:58:47 am
Oh I forgot to mention about safety.  I also let Nathan learn by the natural consequences like closing drawers on his fingers (they're not really slidy drawers), our wardrobe doors etc. 

Jo, I think it's a case of rewording what you're saying and just distracting.  He doesn't need to learn not to touch something.  If his environment is safe, he's fine to do whatever he pleases, if it's a drawer, show him how to close it, lift his fingers up out of the way (and there will be accidents), with taps I explain that they can be hot, but the cold tap can be touched (lets them get the desire to touch out of the way).  Natural consequences are the best form of learning I think (not talking about dangerous situations obviously), but like Judy with Sarah's example, we've had to just let it happen and then talk about it afterwards.  Not sure if I'm explaining myself how I picture it in my head LOL.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 09, 2006, 02:00:47 am
Thanks, Nikki.  We have had a great time with the wagon so far.  I never even thought it might be an American thing.  The things you learn through global friendships.   :)

Jo, Ryan stands in the bath EVERY night!  Ugggh!  Not sure what to do, but I know they sell bath seats so they can be strapped in.  That doesn't sound like too much fun, IMHO, but if it keeps them safe...Hmmm!   :?   Can't wait to hear what the rest of you think.

Nancy, your 2nd post made me giggle.  We knew what you mean, so no worries.  It reminded me of this clip I saw from Supernanny or Nanny 911.  This kid said, "I want my doll (or whatever) back." And the dad says, "Well, I want my life back."   :shock:   He was serious, too.  Poor kid, but for some reason, Matt and I joke about it all the time whenever Ryan's acting cranky or changing our routine.  (Really, we're just joking  :D ). 

Dh need the computer and I'm off to work on this year's pages for the Christmas card album (thanks for the idea, Ankie and ????).  No, it will not look ANYTHING like the gorgeous pages Ankie did.   :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 02:09:14 am
Well standing in the bath I would be ok with if I was holding them too - because they can slip so easily and so fast and then knock themselves out right?  I consider it dangerous - but maybe I'm just too paranoid about that.  Touching the taps - well K&H aren't doing any of this yet and the older girls need to wash their hands on their own so they do.  I can't remember how we handled it at first.  I guess they couldn't even reach any taps yet, even when they needed to -  except the ones in the bath and ours is too hard to turn on for little people - it has to be pulled out and they can't work it yet - not that they even try really.

My dh hovers a lot too.  We're both very safety conscious actually but he jumps to the worst scenario like not wanting them to play with pot lids because if they run with them and fall and the sharp edge of the pot lid falls straight onto a finger then it COULD slice their finger off :roll: - ok so maybe it's possible but the chances are....  He doesn't say much to me, he would just come home from work and put them all away or tell them they could loose a finger if they fell.  Which I think is silly really because they've fallen many times and haven't yet lost a finger...  so maybe better  to say "I'm being a bit silly in worrying that you MIGHT cut your finger off..." so as not to prove that you hold bad theories KWIM?   I do sometimes tell my girls too that I know there's a better way to do something or deal with an issue BUT I/we haven't figured it out yet - in the meantime I really just don't want you to do x - or whatever.

Off to check out Desperate Housewives...


Oh - as for the 'life getting back to normal' comment - I TOTALLY get where you are coming from Nancy.

Cathy - oh my!!! I'd have been annoyed at your evening too.  Ignore the silly glances from people - let them have THEIR ideas on how to deal with their OWN children and you can tend to yours as you see fit.  Gosh I couldn't imagine not running to my child's side especially if we were somewhere they weren't comfortable - and even then.  Isn't it weird that someone else tries to suggest to you that your son is probably teething - as his mom wouldn't YOU know if this was the case?  Babies ONLY way of communicating is through crying so why on earth wouldn't a mom respond?  Ugh!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 09, 2006, 02:16:52 am
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Heck my dad will say "now what do you say"
don't all people the age of our parents say that?  heck, i used to say it to my nieces and nephews too.  i think it certainly is expected in our society, but far too soon and i wouldn't want him saying it just to say it. as UP says...consider their age.  I'm on chapter 7  :wink:

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They DO bash fingers in cupboards  and how awful but I can't protect them from everything - it's not life threatening so I consider it good learning and REAL learning. Does that seem mean? I'm not setting them up to bash fingers
this isn't mean at all.  cole opened a drawer today. we've got the safety lock on but it still opens a couple of inches.  i knew he would catch his fingers so I tried to show him gently how it would catch them...then closed it.  he opened it then got his whole hand stuck in there.  oh well...it was a real learning experience :wink:

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I reread my last post and hope it didn't sound weird. By saying I feel like we're getting our lives back, I hope you didn't think I meant anything bad. It's not like I resent Liv or our decision to conceive or anything like that. But I think you all know what I mean about "life returning to some state of normalcy."
nancy-don't be silly...totally knew what you meant.  i can't wait to have a life again.  get this kid off my boobs already!

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So do you let your LO's stand in the bath? Grab at the taps?
definitely no standing in the tub.  i always say, please sit in the tub cole, or on your bum cole and put him down.  we have one tap and he has to stand to grab at it pretty much soooooooooo, no.  i have one of those inflatable protector thingies...why do they make them fun looking so that they want to stand and grab at it :?

Cathy-grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  i have to admit that i haven't been in a social situation yet like that.  most of our friends with kids are very understanding and think along the same lines as us. it's nice to get together with them and all the kids can roam around and you know that someone has an eye out for your lo at all times.  i wouldn't have been impressed.  hope your night is okay.

It took Cole 15 min. to go down tonight.  I put him down and left, reassuring from outside.  I had to PD once and left...he played for a bit then cried...left him a few minutes, reassured from outside, then PD and he shut right off.

I woke him after 2 hours for after noon nap ending at 4:20.  I THOUGHT he needed 3.5 hours A before bed but he settled by 3:20...so I'm still trying to figure out the last A time. Tomorrow I might try for the 3 hour mark.  Not sure if he wasn't tired enough tonight or if he was too tired.

I am letting dinner go too late too and he didn't take a good feed, and fed too close to sleep as i wouldn't mind some time for his tummy to settle.

how soon before bed to you guys do last BF/bottle?

alrighty...last time on for tonight.  hopefully connection will be up tomorrow.  i find that as my pc is booting up if i hit refresh on my browser a bunch of times it seems to work. 

ttfn
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 09, 2006, 03:11:41 am
Hi!  Me again.

Jo/Kate - The edge of the bath seems to be Katie's favorite place to practice her newly acquired standing up skills  :roll: - We're got loads of toys in the bath that I try and distract her with and I just keep sitting her down.  I'm going to get a bathmat for the tub so it's not so slippery, but I'm hoping she'll lose interest in it soon (yeah, right!)

Katie is on a smashing fingers kick the past few days.  She has now closed them in her Leap Frog table, a book, and somewhere else I can't remember right.  I know it hurts because she just screams and cries.  :(  Makes me so sad.

Cathy - Hey, if Carter wants all that food, go ahead and feed it to him!  Katie generally has 4 oz of fruit mixed with cereal (I think somewhere between 4-6 tb - I'll have to measure) and a few oz of veggies and some finger food - cheerios or whatever we're eating if we're eating with her.   And both boobs before bed (say that 3 times fast!).  Oh, and I can't believe that the people at your group expected you to sit there calmly while Carter screamed - and I know exactly what you mean - that silence followed by the scream where you know they really did hurt themselves.  I imagine God understands that your child needs you, even if these people didn't.

Nancy - I knew exactly what you meant too, about getting your life back.  Made perfect sense to me. 

Traci - Katie gets her last BF right before bed.  She still goes to sleep awake, though I'm beginning to think I need to start moving it forward so it will be easier to wean her off it one day.  Fingers crossed for you tonight.

Judy/Nikki - Thanks for the please/thank you thoughts.  Gotta get me that UP book.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 09, 2006, 03:30:56 am
Traci: we do a top-up feed right before bed, when we are sitting in the glider.  It's the only time I feed right before sleep.  That way I can feel confident that he's eaten enough.  :roll:

Cathy : I would have been completely P.O.'ed !!!!!!  Especially since it didn't sound like the babysitter even picked him up when he fell!!??!! :shock:   I would certainly never let her look after my lo again....especially if you weren't home!!!!  Can you only imagine what kind of moronic-lack-of-any-nuturing care she would give to Carter without you even in the same house!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Judy:  A while back you said that you heard that sippy cups can cause problems with speech and tongue placement.  I actually heard the exact opposite....that bottles and pacifiers cause your tongue and speech to develop improperly and why "they" tend to want you to wean off these things before the lo's start to speak.  That's just what I heard...but who knows??  :?

Cute pics of Katie and Ryan!! 

I don't remember who asked about oranges (i think Kate)...but I have give clementines to Jack too....and I also take the skins off the wedges...they just seem too thick that he would be more prone to gagging/choking on it.  I also did this with grapefruit (a little to tart just yet).  I did give Jackson a Clementine with just half of the outer peel just peeled off and then he could hold the whole orange himself...he then used his teeth and gums to suck on the meaty part and get juice that way.  He had no problem getting thru the inner skin then that way.... hmmmm???  I have given him canned manderins too but I don't give them very often as I can't find any that aren't canned in light syrup...I did give them a bit of a rinse before I gave them to Jack but....I don't want him to start to crave sugar. IYKWIM??

I am soooo glad that my mom is home from California now!!!  :shock:  :shock:  I was dog-sitting her spaz of a dog for the last 2 days.....she NEVER stops moving!!!!  So her circling, circling, circling and trying to beat my dogs to whatever object...with her nails on hardwood floors.. :shock:.  She would also sit and whine outside Jacks bedroom door the ENTIRE time I would be in Jacks room trying to do a winddown with him.  If I didn't come out soon enough (in her opinion)she would start circling outside his door!  Of course, Jack would not settle with her doing any of this!!  I finally had to lock her in the bathroom while I was getting him to sleep (nap or bedtime) and hope that when I opened the bathroom door , that her scratching and racing to whatever object didn't wake him up....PHEW!!!  I'm tired just re-living the past couple of days with her!  :shock:  :roll:  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 03:55:03 am
Hi ladies, this will be short as I am super tired and will actually Tivo Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy tonight.

A few things though:
Yay for cole!!!!  Traci, to be perfectly honest a couple of weeks back I thoght about a case study in BWSAYP about the mom that wasn't leaving the room in time (shucks I can't find the page right now).  Anyhow, I had a feelign that some of it may be tied to the fact that he was needing you still, and you gave him his independence back!  I am so happy for you and Cole and Tony to have made such progress.  When I read your post yesterday when you said to him "cole I know you can do it", and then he went to sleep, I had a feeling things were going to turn around!

Nikki and Judy; I don't mean to be contradictory here, but a thought came to mind.  I understand the concept of this is their house too and if there is really no harm in jumping on the couch, then why not.  But I am wondering about valuables.  Yes, they are only material objects, but there are certain things in our house that me and DH worked very hard for and treasure and would like to keep nice, such as our living room furniture.  The den furniture is up for grabs as even the pets get on that, but how do you teach that some couches are okay to jump on and some are not? 

And about the finger catching thing.  I can't help but think that Taylor is still too young to understand the concept of "if I do this I will get hurt becasue I have done it before" type of thing.  YEs, eventually I think it is a good idea to learn these life lessons on their own, but when is it too young?  Yesterday T accidentally slammed her fingers in the drawer and I just felt awful  :oops:  :cry:  she cried so hard (I know how much it hurts when we do it to our grown up fingers, so can only imagine for a baby).  Well today she was at it again, but I diverted because I just don't feel right intentionally letting her hurt herself again.  I apologize if that particular topic was in reference to the older girsl (can't remember).

Anyhow, Ankie, I am truly praying and crossing all fingers and toes that things get sorted out soon.  last night T was up 3 times....long DH rant that I will get into tomorrow  :roll:  :evil: , but I am beat today.

Good night everyone!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 03:57:25 am
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I finally had to lock her in the bathroom while I was getting him to sleep (nap or bedtime) and hope that when I opened the bathroom door , that her scratching and racing to whatever object didn't wake him up....PHEW!!! I'm tired just re-living the past couple of days with her! 


Micky-sounds like my friggin dogs!  I am ready to sell them to anyone that would have them.  And to think they used to be my babies!   :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 09, 2006, 04:06:03 am
Just quickly because I'm about to finish dinner.

Andrea, I think it's great that you do have 2 sets of couches - one for good and one not.  What you can do if you don't want jumping on one is explain that that one is for sitting, but if you want to jump how about we go into the den and jump there instead?  If you remain consistent about it, she will understand the difference.  As far as valuables, well I just moved them all out of reach, but let her have a little play too to take away the mystery of it.  I think it's kind of asking for trouble if you leave them out.  Even if you decided to tell her no, it doesn't mean she's going to "get it".  Then what if it still breaks?  Your only options are to get over it and not get mad at her or to punish her - I know I would find it really hard not to get mad. At 2.5 I can have my things out again for Nathan and he knows that they are mine, if he wants a little look, I get it down, he has a touch, we talk about it, then I put it away.

Right off to sort out dinner.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 09, 2006, 04:12:20 am
Ladies... an update on our sleeps. In one word, SH!TTY... if you want more words, just kick your foot, pinky toe first, into a granite fireplace as hard as you can and then you will probably have all the words that I can't type here in such polite company.

Okay... last night was a living nightmare. Living because DH and I were awake practically all night and a nightmare because Arwyn woke almost every hour. She went down at ?? whatever time... can't remember now... and woke at 10:48 or something. DH tried to put her back down and I pumped. At 11:58, she was still awake so, I nursed her... didn't go back to sleep... so... I held her. She woke, I swear to F'ing god, every 45 minutes or so. By 3 am... I was so exhausted from sitting, getting up, laying down, etc. that I nursed her again. Well, that woke her right up :roll: and then DH took over. He was better than I... he didn't hold her to sleep... he put her in her crib each time he was able to put her back to sleep every hour or so. Anyhow... to make a long story short, as soon as she was back down for nap #1, so was I. DH is sick now... don't know from the lack of sleep or what but having a sick DH and a whine-y clingy daughter on a rainy day is no friggin' fun.

So... tonight, after reading your inspiring story, Traci... I resolved to do PD so that she can start to fall asleep independently. I nursed her with the lights on... didn't let her fall asleep although she easily could have... her eyes were droopy and blinking really slow... and her eyeballs were rolling back.

Okay... started at 6:40 pm. I put her in her crib and told her nighty-night and turned out the lights. Immediately started screaming. I counted to 75 :roll: (couldn't make it to 100) and reassured her from the door. Counted the rest of the way and went in to do PD. I PD for about 30-ish times. At first, I thought I had got it as she was calm after PD #16. But, no such luck. I kept up the PD until she just stopped crying and pulled up, all happy after I put her down. Had to leave the room to make her cry. Reassured from the door... you get the picture... I ended up calling my friend in the middle of all the screaming for moral support. She told me to go outside where I couldn't hear the crying. :roll: So... back in to do PD... finally, at the 50 minute mark, I gave in and started to pat her back so she would stay calm. She was asleep in 2 minutes flat.

My question ladies... isn't this just a form of CIO? Arwyn cried HARD for the entire 50 minutes until I basically patted her to sleep. What do I do tomorrow? Continue to do PD? In the same fashion? Am I even doing it right? I read and re-read the book. PD is putting them down and putting your hand on the LO's back to reassure them right? No patting? Can someone please confirm? Am I losing my mind? Sh!t...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 04:14:32 am
Thanks Nikki.  I just don't want it to be confusing for her.  Heck, we had a very hard time teaching the dogs the difference!   :lol:  (don't mean to compare my lovely dd to a dog  :oops: )

BTW, Cathy, I would have been majorly PO'd for getting any slack at all!!!!  He needed you and what kind of mother would you be if you didn't go to him?  I think our dear Lord would understand you leaving the prayer circle to attend to one of His great miracles!  Again, don't mean to be offensive (sorry God).  Geez, waht is my deal tonight?   :oops:  I think I am WAYYYYY overtired and am acting up!  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 04:18:12 am
Oh dear Lord Ankie I am soooo sorry.  I am going to re-read the section right now and give you my interpretation.  I have been wanting to re-read it anyhow because DH and I are doing different things I think.

We will help you get this figured out one way or another.
Please hang in there
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 09, 2006, 04:38:28 am
Just came up to turn off the computer and here I am again.   :roll:

Cathy, so sorry about your night (somehow missed it in between my posts).  You were a great mommy (as usual) and the rest of them can go...ummmm...sit quietly.  (Hard to insult someone for praying, but really!) 

Ankie, you are AWESOME!  I have to sometimes hold Ryan down (lightly...it says you can in the book, I swear) after doing it.  That is about the same as patting.  STICK WITH IT!!!  You are not doing CIO b/c you are there with her and she does not feel abandoned. That, my dear, is the difference.  Lots of love and (((hugs))) to you!

Andrea, you are cracking me up, girl!   :lol:

Really, off to bed!  G'night!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 09, 2006, 05:40:40 am
kate you said just what i wanted to say to ankie....you are there supporting arwyn teaching her how to sleep again on her own...yes, she is crying the whole time but you are there to reassure her.  Kept at it, keep doing the PD.  She's just ultra confused from not getting held to sleep, fed to sleep, slept with on the futon, etc.!  :shock:  :D   You are doing a great job and I think if you stick with the PD she will again learn to put herself back to sleep.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!! :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 09, 2006, 07:17:23 am
Ankie, sorry I can't be of any help, but I'm here for moral support and encouragement. Like the others said you're doing the right thing, and Arwyn just has to get used to the new sleep routine. It might take a few nights of your new way to get there, but, like Cole, Arwyn will get it. Sorry I can't recall, is she going to sleep by herself for her naps? Are you doing anything differentl? This may sound strange, but have you tried not feeding right before bed at night? Perhaps this is what's upsetting her. What would happen if you fed so you finished her feed 10-15 mins before bed, then took her thru to bed and put her down. A random thought, but with these LO's sometimes it's the strangest things that make a difference.   :roll:

Traci, I feel bad now that you started giving Cole iron supplements based on the article I sent you. I had not realised they could make him consitipated. I'm sooooo sorry!!!!  :oops: Oh, and for what it's worth Daniel frequently takes 15 mins to go to sleep now. Once he started moving/crawling, his settling time increased. He does his 'cot olympics' until he's comfy or warn out, not sure which comes first. At first I was a little concerned he was taking what seemed like a long time, then I thought about when I go to bed and it takes me a little while before I go to sleep, even if I'm knackered I still have to toss and turn and wriggle and wind down. That's what Daniel's doing when I put him down, and probably just what Cole's doing too. Especially as he is sooo active. Also he sometimes plays, bouncing up and down, but I just leave him. I go in about every 3-5 minutes and if he's sitting up I just lay him down and tell him it's time to sleep, and that I'll be back in a few minutes to check he's ok.

Cathy, you definitely did the right thing, and the Carter knows that. Who else matters? I remember a friend of mine once said, "Those that care, don't matter, those that don't care, matter". When she first said it I didn't get it, I thought I wanted others to care, but then when I realised it's in a situation like you were in that the saying applies. Who cares if you left the prayer meeting, you were needed by your son. That's where you should be. That's what people who matter in your life would know and think to themselves, that you were doing the right thing, being where you were most needed.

We had an interesting day today, Daniel slept for 2.5 hours thismorning then 1.5h thisafternoon!!! Soooo weird. The only thing I did differently was take the blocks out from one end of his cot. Last time I did this he had some terrible nights so I put it back up, but maybe he's ready this time. I figured as he kept going to the end of his cot and facing his head down, it might be better if the cot was totally horizontal. Also DH was back at work, so maybe that helped somehow, different stimulation maybe? We took him swimming thisafternoon but DH didn't get back until 5.15pm (expecting him at 4.30pm) so it was right on Daniel's dinner. We took him anyway as I wanted to, then he had dinner at 6pm. An hour later than the last few nights. THere were tears to begin dinner until I gave him custard, then once he had some mouthfuls was happy to eat the couscous meal and custard. So we've definitely had some good eating breakthroughs.

That's long enough from me I think. Oh except DH booked my flights to Auckland today 27 Jan for 3 weeks. He didn't want me to go on the Friday as he doesn't leave until Monday. He wanted us to be around in the weekend. I said that I'd rather have the Friday booked, so if it's cancelled I could get the one early the following week. I know he's going to miss Daniel heaps (and me I hope!) but I thought, why should I stay home for him? It won't make much difference in the scheme of things. And when I said I wanted 3 weeks he was surprised. I might change to 2 weeks, then go to Wellington for a week, then back to Auckland. MMmm have to think about that.

ok, I'm really going now!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 09, 2006, 14:09:26 pm
Crappy night again!  Not as bad as Ankie's though  :(   I was up at 11:30, 1:30 and 4:30 (fed at this one) and then he got up for the day at 7:40am.  I know I shoudln't really complain but I am a sucky baby!!!  When he does wake up I must admit I don't do pu/pd at all.  When I used to try it he would completely wake up, start screaming and I wouldn't be able to calm him down without nursing.  Usually I just go in and say "momma's here, good boy" etc and slowly rub his belly.  It used to take awhile but now he immediately rolls over and shuts his eyes.  I am at the point where all I have to do is go in and talk quietly to him without touching him at all.  Sometimes if he gets out of control or if he is playing too much I will pick him up and hug him rub his back and then put him down again ... it seems to give him the message that he needs to go to sleep.  Maybe I am setting myself up for trouble down the road because I don't do pu/pd??!!  However I think I am making progress with my way as I don't need to touch him anymore to calm him.  Personally I think you can teach independant sleep without using pu/pd ... it depends on your baby.  I always planned on having one of those babies that I could just put in their crib, walk away and they would instantly go to sleep on their own (no ... I don't do drugs!! :) ).  We are slowly working towards that. 


Ankie:  I don't think you are bad for patting.  I have been doing it for Carter's naps since he was 8 weeks old.  Over time the time I spent patting has decreased dramatically so that I don't have to even do it anymore.  Maybe Arwyn needs it to feel secure and will learn independant sleep that way.  I am probably the only one who thinks this way so please disregard if you think I am a crack pot!!!  You have to remember that I am new at the night waking thing because Carter started sleeping 10hrs a night at 6wks of age and didn't start these darned night wakings until he was 7.5months old!!!

Anyway, crying baby in the tigger jumper so must go give him breakfast!!!

Have a great day!  BBL!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 09, 2006, 14:12:33 pm
Ankie - {{HUGS}}, my goodness you poor thing.

 
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I counted to 75  (couldn't make it to 100) and reassured her from the door. Counted the rest of the way and went in to do PD

In the book it says when you begin PD to stay in the room and reassure them with a firm hand on their back, naming their emotions ect...   Only PD when and if she gets up again.  It says it will take a long time and she will be frustrated/angry but it is only b/c she is used to having you do it for her so think you are just teaching her a new skill and she is responding the only way she knows how right, no guilt right?

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So... back in to do PD... finally, at the 50 minute mark, I gave in and started to pat her back so she would stay calm. She was asleep in 2 minutes flat.

This was NOT a mistake according to the book if you modified the pat to just a firm hand.

Tracy suggests sleeping IN the room for the 1st few nights.  It says once she starts settling fairly easy with PD/firm hand it still may take some time to get out of the room.  Example:  1st night stand by the crib, or if too distracting for her stand out of her line of sight, don't say anything or make eye contact.  Stay there until you are sure she is in a deep sleep and then each successive night move further and further towards the door.

To me Tracy's logic and explanantion with PD/firm hand is that if you stayed in the room and were able to ressure her with your voice/hand, all the while she is in her crib, when she wakes it will take a some time, but imagine that when she gets used to the fact that you will be there she will 'take it for granted' and just turn over and go back to sleep?   

Anyhow, it really sounds like you need to get into this fully rested, is there any chance you can get a few nights off?  Maybe your mom or friend could come and help for a few nights while you recharge so that you can have a fresh perspective? 

By the way I don't think I said how beautiful your scrapbook is, jeez it is wonderful!

Traci - That is so great that Cole is  getting back on track!  Do you feel like a completely different person or what?

Kate - yes I pulled the 'membrane of the mandarin orange, oh and the peel  :wink:  as well!  yes labour intensive but I also buy canned ones in water.

Micki - I found Roland brand Mandarin oranges in water.  I get pears/peaches in light syrup and rinse them first, I know probably not as good as fresh but hey, I guess I am just lazy sometimes.

Hayley - I have been meaning to ask for ages what you mean by custard, do you mean like dessert pudding?  I got your PM and will post my list of finger foods that I have made.

Taylor - You have me cracking up as well!

Jo - I had to take over Sophie's bath b/c DH is way too protective.  Once she started exploring and 'spazzing out' in the bath he would get too stressed out  :wink: !  Sophie also tries to pull up in the bath and is obsessed wiht theplug/taps, but I don;t blame her they are pretty shiny.  I do try and keep her in some control in the bath and find putting her on her tummy helps distract her from standing ect.... but then she does face dives into the water  :roll:  and bashed her forehead last night!  I let Sophie explore most places and have found that at her age whatever I or DH, also a OMG-Sophie-NO-guy, make whatever we are NOING way more interesting. 

For example; we have our DVD player hooked up through the front of the TV and when I put Sophie in her walker one of the first things she discovered was pulling on the cords.  I stood back and watched but fought my intincts to say NO b/c IF she did pull REALLY hard I am sure she could pull the player off the shelf and onto her head but I was right there.  After a few days she hardly gives them even a flick anymore but yesterday she found them and DH says SOPHIE NO blah blah and she looks at him like ohhh this is a fun game, I pull this cord and my daddy makes funny noises/faces!  All of a sudden the cords are FUN FUN again, hopefully modelling for DH will help in the future.

I already say please and thank you for SOphie :oops:  even to myself.  "thank you mama, that was a deliscious breakfast' - DH says I'm a nutter, I probably am and never considered that I was putting words in her mouth.

Sophie right now has the left audio plug in her mouth, I wonder if I turned on the TV do you think we would here it out of her ears  :shock: !
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 14:43:11 pm
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Nikki and Judy; I don't mean to be contradictory here, but a thought came to mind.  I understand the concept of this is their house too and if there is really no harm in jumping on the couch, then why not.  But I am wondering about valuables.  Yes, they are only material objects, but there are certain things in our house that me and DH worked very hard for and treasure and would like to keep nice, such as our living room furniture.  The den furniture is up for grabs as even the pets get on that, but how do you teach that some couches are okay to jump on and some are not? 

You tell them :)  Honestly.  By the time their old enough to jump they'll be able to understand the concept.  AND you can say something like "jumping is fun isn't it?  This furniture isn't for jumping on but the furniture in the den is.  Let's go jump on the couch in the den."

I actually :oops: let my girls jump from the coffee table on to the couch but not so much just up and down on the couch.  Or from the arm of the couch onto the seat but again not just up and down on the seats because then they jump and jump and jump and somone is likely to be knocked off and into the coffee table which could really hurt or even break a bone and in my mind a single jump from the table to the couch is less threatening.  So if they want to just jump then we have lots of big and small pillows they can put around and jump on.  I'm not suggesting that everyone let their kids jump on couches.  It just doens't matter to us so much.  I tell the girls that other people's couches may be different.   Grandma really values her couch differently and wouldn't want us to jump on it.  They get that.  It may take a few times showing them a better way.

I think the main idea is notice what their want/need is and help them find a way to get it met that suits everyone.  So if there is a need to jump, yell, throw things - how might they be able to do that in a way that is still fun for them and acceptable to you?  Yell outside? Yell in the bathroom?  Throw stuffed animals in the house, balls outside? Jump on pillows?  on the couch?  On a trampoline?  It's just about being creative and finding solutions rather than just saying "no jumping".  Yelling is tough for me because I don't like to hear it and I often take it personally but I have to remind myself that they are learning.  Experimenting with their voices, how loud they can be, different pitches, different sounds, what affect does their voice have, is the affect different with different types of voices, does it feel different on the throat to yell really loud?  etc. etc. etc..

Micky - sippy cups/bottles.  Hmmm I guess getting on to an open cup is the objective then eh?  It's like everything isn't it?  Butter vs margarine ;)  My niece has a speech issue - she's 6 and I still have a hard time understanding her and she's improved a ton.  Her speech therapist person said that they see a lot more of this now with the use of sippy cups.  Then again Zoe's used many sippy cups and speaks often with two fingers in her mouth pushing on her tongue and she has no issues.  Maybe it's the fact that kids are using sippy/spill proof drinking cups for many many years now when in times past they didn't have them and bottles were naturally weaned by 2 or so (I'm guessing) ????  Just my own musings.



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And about the finger catching thing.  I can't help but think that Taylor is still too young to understand the concept of "if I do this I will get hurt becasue I have done it before" type of thing.  YEs, eventually I think it is a good idea to learn these life lessons on their own, but when is it too young?  Yesterday T accidentally slammed her fingers in the drawer and I just felt awful  :oops:  :cry:  she cried so hard (I know how much it hurts when we do it to our grown up fingers, so can only imagine for a baby).  Well today she was at it again, but I diverted because I just don't feel right intentionally letting her hurt herself again.  I apologize if that particular topic was in reference to the older girsl (can't remember).

Yes my two little ladies aren't getting in to anything yet.  But that is much different than when Zoe was this age - very different developmental places.  I would have done the same as you Andrea - felt awful for hurt fingers and diverted the next time - it's natural.. but I wouldn't put cupboards off limits to the girls b/c there was the chance of their fingers getting caught KWIM?  I still feel awful if Sarah or Zoe do it and it does happen by accident sometimes. If I see if coming I warn them "watch your fingers!!" but I still let them use the cupboards on their own.  Does that make sense?  It's like never giving your child space to fall when they are learning to walk.  Surely you don't walk away and LET them fall but there are going to be times when you just aren't close enough and their trying to move from the couch to the table and they may fall.  You'd have stopped it if you could have but are you going to never let them stand without you right next to them?  It inhibits their learning.  Does that make sense?  It's not at all about leaving them out there to figure it out painfully on their own but more about not restricting them b/c they might get hurt somehow.  If that were the case we'd never put up gates at stairs and assume they'd figure it out after falling a few times :(

Hope that helps clarify some.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 09, 2006, 14:55:24 pm
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When he does wake up I must admit I don't do pu/pd at all
Cathy-PUPD is a last resort.  if you can calm him with words or a pat then that's all you need to do!

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I always planned on having one of those babies that I could just put in their crib, walk away and they would instantly go to sleep on their own (no ... I don't do drugs!!  ). We are slowly working towards that.
well, he may not fall asleep instantly but you will get there.  Would you believe Cole could do this from 5.5-7.5 months.  He would cry maybe 5-10 minutes but then would sleep.  you'd never know it after the recent nightmares you've heard from me.  that's because of my major AP during teething time :roll:

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Traci, I feel bad now that you started giving Cole iron supplements based on the article I sent you. I had not realised they could make him consitipated. I'm sooooo sorry!!!!
Hayley-no no no!  I had previously given them to him but slacked when we started solids.  It was something I had meant to be doing anyway.  So no worries, k?  no extra iron yesterday and they were hard, but all came out in one lump.  sorry if TMI on the poops.  as i've said before, i'm obsessed.

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I already say please and thank you for SOphie  even to myself. "thank you mama, that was a deliscious breakfast' - DH says I'm a nutter, I probably am and never considered that I was putting words in her mouth.

Sophie right now has the left audio plug in her mouth, I wonder if I turned on the TV do you think we would here it out of her ears  !
richelle-i also say please and thank you etc during mealtimes as per BWSAYP...that way when it's time he'll know what he should be saying.  LOL about hearing it out of her ears.

ANKIE!  I've left you for last girl.  I totally agree with Richelle to stay in the room for now (not sure if by the door you meant out of the room).  I had been doing PD for about a week before I dared leave the room.

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At first, I thought I had got it as she was calm after PD #16. But, no such luck. I kept up the PD until she just stopped crying and pulled up, all happy after I put her down. Had to leave the room to make her cry
Cole did this too, would calm down and i'd think he was asleep and he'd start up the moment the door opened.  the "all happy" indicates to me that she thinks it's playtime with you.  An indication that I got from Cole as well that he was enjoying having me there (manipulative little bugger! LOL :wink: ) I've left the room too to make him cry.  Work on PD for at least two more nights...staying in the room, reassuring with your voice and using the firm hand.  the reason i had to limit the use of my hand was because cole would hold it and i felt that was a prop.  he used to stroke my hands etc.  okay, let me think of more stuff and i'll be back.
I know your DH said you guys can't leave her to cry because she'll just keep crying...remember that?  That just tells me she's stubborn and you have to be even MORE consistent than you have been for her to get the picture.  Could it get any worse than last night?  Do you think you could try and NOT feed her, at least until 4 am?  make her go a good 8-10 hour stretch?  BIG HUGS TO YOU GIRL.  Have you talked to your ped?  Considered chiropractic?  there might be something more than just AP...

As for us, Cole woke at 3:30 and I fed.  I just felt he didn't take a good last feed.  woke again at 4:30, did PD once and he was right back to sleep til 6:30.  I still consider this a good night.  OH, and he just settled on his own for first nap in 7 minutes.  i left, he cried, i reassured from outside, he played for a few minutes, stood up and cried, i went in a PD and left and he settled.  YAY.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 14:56:30 pm
Hadn't read Nikki's reply to Andrea yet when I posted - so I was kinda repetative.

Ankie - CIO and crying are not the same thing.  Being there with her while she cries (as has already been said) is being supportive.  Leaving her alone is then abandoning her and could cause her to feel unimportant and not heard etc. etc.  Eventually they fall asleep from exhaustion or give up b/c no one is listening.

I'm sure you've made great grounds - by doing the PD for so long - eventually you did pat but she's learning that it's bedtime and bedtime means sleep.  Keep at it the same way if needed... it will get better I'm sure of it.  These are tough sleep months for some lo's - it will balance out soon.

As for your dh - well I know my dh, if he's up all night he's throwing up all day :)  Like clockwork.  After EVERY birth :roll:  In fact he came back to the hospital after going home to throw up for hours after Zoe was born and the nurses were checking HIS vitals :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 15:57:49 pm
JUDY & NIKKI--thanks for clarifying on the please and thank yous. I admit, I was a little apprehensive when you first mentioned your approach, but now that you've explained it, I can see where it would work better. (Thanks for questioning, JO).

CATHY--so sorry to hear about your experience at life group. I must say, I admire you for giving it a go...I haven't left Liv with anyone other than my 2 closest friends or family (well, except the church nursery, but it's fully staffed!) I'm sorry things didn't go well, but I think you handled it beautifully. I got those same disapproving looks from family at Christmas when Liv would let out the "where are you Mom, I don't recognize anyone!!" cry. I would come to her rescue and get comments like, "Oh, she's a mommy's girl." Or, "Are we a little bit spoiled?" I just wanted to say..."No, she's 8 months old and needs to know that I'll be there for her for the next 80 years!" Hang in there and just know you have to do what you know is best for Carter, no matter what other people may say.

KATE-- Oh my word! I would never say anything like that (wanting my life back) TO Liv!!! I've watched Supernanny and Nanny 911 a few times. And I'm always amazed at the rudeness and lack of respect the parents have for their children!! I'm glad you knew what I originally meant...I guess I'm just paranoid. It's so easy to misread things in a post...same as e-mail. So I try to make sure I always clarify if there's any doubt.

TRACI--we do last bottle right before bed. We do bath, story, bottle, then directly into bed.

ANKIE---(((((HUGS)))))) to you! I could have typed your exact post a couple of weeks ago (including a sick DH!). Our problem stemmed from all the holiday travel, so I'm afraid I don't have much advice for you...especially for PD as I've never managed to get it right. I do agree with Kate that it is no the same as CIO b/c you are still there, helping her get through it...even from outside the door. Hoping someone else can help and sending you good sleep vibes!!!!!

I'm sorry, I didn't get to everyone, but I have a squirming, fussing baby in my lap now, so I must go wind down for naptime! I'll be back later...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 16:17:19 pm
Nikki - taken from the article you linked to, I have left the girls to solve some of their own squabbles so long as noone is getting hurt.  They have managed to collect themselves sometimes too!! Sometimes they come and ask for my help but once they worked it out and started to HELP each other.

 WOW !!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 09, 2006, 17:49:16 pm
Cathy - {{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}} to you and Carter for your awful prayer evening out. What kind of people let a child scream and give a mother dirty looks for going to their child?? Sheeeeeeeesh, some people!! That babysitter would definitely be off my list!!
We don't do PU/PD either - I do exactly the same as you! Rub her belly, say Mommy's here, I know...etc...and she eventually calms down. If not, I have given her teething tablets or just Chamomilla on its own. I often will just pick up and give her a hug, snuggle for a couple of minute, get some good kisses out of her and put her back down. She will then just grab her monkey and turn on her side and off to sleep.

Ankie - I keep reading about you and little Arwyn and thinking "oh my gosh, how is she keeping sane during all this??" I totally feel for you and think about you all the time, sending good sleep vibes your way!!  You are doing amazingly well, I don't think the patting is a bad thing. As Cathy said, you could eventually wean him off the patting much like you probably weaned her off the pat/shhhh when she was younger. Go from the patting, then to the firm hand, then to nothing??

Traci - I always laugh at your obsession with Cole's poops. Too funny. Good idea to Ankie about chiropractor!! I took Molly 3X a week for about a month and it really helped settle her at night. She was cranking her head back all the time and now she is just fine.


We too had a crappy night - well crappy entire weekend if the truth be told!  Molly has not wanted to settle at all for her naps the past couple of days. I am sure it is the daycare thing, plus her trying to crawl, plus teething, plus whatever else a 9 month old goes through!!

On a good note, I am HOME ALONE today!!  :lol:  It is so very quiet though. Aaron took Molly to daycare (today and tomorrow will be her first full days as I go back to work on Wednesday) and Mason is back at his Dad's house. 

I am doing laundry  :roll: and trying on work clothes  :evil:. I have a pile of "yes, I can get by wearing these", a pile of "another 5 lbs and these will be OK", and another pile of "after 10 lbs, these will look good!". Post-baby I am a pretty consistent size 5 so most of my clothes are that. I do have the odd size 7's (for those feeling bloated days) so at least won't have to go nakkie on Wednesday!! Down 12 lbs with WW and would like to drop another 10 before our honeymoon trip to Cuba in February.  :shock: Guess I should get off here and get my arse on the elliptical machine....

Later girls.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 09, 2006, 17:52:29 pm
Nancy: I wanted to say...we've been talking and 'getting together' for so long now (for me it's been 6 months) that I can almost hear your voices when I read the posts (I don't hear the voices all the time!  :wink:  :D ) and can totally catch how it is being said.  :D   Just like old friends!   I'm sure if we all ever meet up though, none of your voices will sound at all like how I'm imagining them to sound like!  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 09, 2006, 17:53:03 pm
That is interesting Judy!  It must be hard to stand by and not want to jump in, will be interested to see if you see any significant change over a week or so.

Grrrr, I'm am having such a hard time trying to get DH on board to change his techniques of badgering, telling off, pulling Nathan in line all the time.  I have major issues when DH is home and Nathan really does play up and I can see him purposely doing stuff that is aggrevating DH and DH is taking the bait (it wasn't purposeful until DH reacted)!  I try to explain to him, that his aggitation is showing when say Nathan is flicking through one of his mags and then Nathan will screw up a page, DH reacts, Nathan repeats.  If he'd just done a non-response in the first place, explain that it's his mag and Nathan is allowed to have a look, but please turn the pages properly (I'm thinking: for fecks sake, it's a $6 magazine  :roll: ) then he's less likely to try and get a reaction because he's been able to read his mag - he reads mags all the time without a problem!

OK, so it's 6.49am and we've all been up 1.5hrs already, boy, this is going to be a long day - Nathan goes back to pre-school this morning though.  I'm actually looking forward to DH going back to work tomorrow too... :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 18:40:25 pm
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Grrrr, I'm am having such a hard time trying to get DH on board to change his techniques of badgering, telling off, pulling Nathan in line all the time.

Sometimes I feel like we live very similar lives.  :)  When you figure this out will you let me know?  I find too if I jump in to help, dh then gets upset and takes it as me telling him he's incompetent :roll:.  But it's hard to sit by and listen to him go back and forth with the girls too.  And too, this is why I do look forward to Monday's and us getting back to normal somewhat.   Then again, on the other hand it's almost inspiring to see how they deal and how unsuccessful it is - like I can see the things I do do that don't work when dh does them - make sense?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 09, 2006, 18:56:41 pm
Judy, YES!  I really get to see how this way works and *try* to sensitively  :roll: point that out to DH the difference in Nathan's behaviour...

Eeeek, while I've been back on here stuffing around, I almost take the cake for bad cooking!  I burnt Nathan's toast which I popped under the grill about 10mins ago (I can't use the toaster any longer since it's contaminated with regular bread) and forgot about it until I smelt something yummy cooking (gluten free bread is kind of like cake).  Oops, I can hear DH saying to Nathan "I hope you like your toast burnt" - hmmm, it wasn't black, just VERY dark brown.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 09, 2006, 19:34:38 pm
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I almost take the cake for bad cooking!

NOT EVEN CLOSE NIKKI!!   I wish that was as bad as I got!!  :lol:  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 09, 2006, 20:17:33 pm
Hey!  Ankie, can't wait to hear how last night went.  Better than the previous one, I hope!  (Insert crossing fingers emoticon here).  (Btw, when you said that about stubbing your toe on the fireplace, it made me ROTFLMAO!  Dh had to ask what was so funny!   :lol: I just don't "hear" you swearing much.)

I babysat for my friend's almost 1 year old this am.  He usually takes 2 30 min. naps a day.   :shock:   Anyway, I had to get him down for the first nap.  She said I could rock him or just put him in the crib to, basically, CIO.   :cry:   Of course, I rocked him.  Poor kid had a BAD day care experience and was left alone to cry in a room for a LONG time in a pack 'n' play...no wonder he freaked when I put him in in.  I had these visions of him taking a 90 min. nap or something and me convincing her it was my BWing that did it, but now..33 mins!  Oh, well. 

Michelle, you can do it for your honeymoon.  In CUBA?  Did other Americans do a double take on that one?  How cool!  Can't wait to hear all about it...well not ALL about it.   :wink:   

Off to shower...yes it IS 2:15 pm.  Two babies are tough.  Thought of you, Judy and Jody, A LOT this morning.  Seriously reconsidering my threat to dh to have twins next time.   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 09, 2006, 20:31:23 pm
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Post-baby I am a pretty consistent size 5 so most of my clothes are that. I do have the odd size 7's (for those feeling bloated days)

<tap tap tap>  thinking.... hmmm..... thinking.....  a size 5 (oh sorry, 7 on bloated days :roll:) ....  gosh reverse discrimination is still discrimination isn't it???  Maybe I'll just keep my thoughts to myself size 9 self!

;) :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 09, 2006, 20:33:30 pm
BIG HUGS ANKIE!!!!

Just had to make sure you saw that! You are amazing as I would have cracked by now with no sleep! I am with Cathy(?), I still pat Sam when he wakes in the night. Firm hand just gets pushed away and results in him getting more upset. I am starting to use my voice more and sometimes start with patting to let him know I am there, he sometimes cannot hear me above his crying then use my voice to reassure him. I think some babies are different. I PD if he stands then pat then voice. Hope that makes sense.

Nikki and Judy, I can see that I need to learn how to get dh on board as well. He leaves books and magazines round and then it is a constant, "no Sam don't touch that". If only he would move it or distract him (sigh). Let me know when you figure out how to do this.

Cathy, sorry to hear about your night! Definitely avoid that babysitter. I actually consider "mummy's boy" a compliment. I take it as that even if it is meant to be an insult. Who better to comfort my child than me and who's to tell me what my child needs!

LOL Micky about hearing our voices. You all speak with a Kiwi accent including fush and chups :wink:

Off to deal with a family "crisis". Will tell you all about it someday.
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 20:38:56 pm
MICKY---so true about the voices thing. I guess I do the same thing but never really thought about it.

KATE--yes, I also did a double-take on Cuba. I don't hear many people going there. (Funny, though, my dad just returned from there...but it was for a missions trip, not a honeymoon.)

MICHELLE--you can do it!! You go, girl!

I was so proud of myself for getting up early, walking on the treadmill (to early to jog!), showered, and was dressed by the time Liv got up! My goal is to do that every day this week. I'd like to make it a habit to do that Monday through Friday as I'm also needing to drop some weight. Tried the WW thing and got bored counting points (glad it's working for you MICHELLE...way to go!)

OK, here's  question: How many of your LOs have "loveys" (blanket, stuffed animal, etc.)? Liv has never really taken to one. I've started putting a little bear/blanket thing in with her at naps. She doesn't seem to notice it until she wakes up, then she starts playing with it. I'm not sure whether to "push" it a little more (and if so, how), or just let it go for now. Any thoughts?

Oh, and I forgot who it was that suggested the postcard thing (Sorry!) but I think that's a great idea! And since I missed out on the Christmas card exchange, I'd love to get in on this one if it happens.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 09, 2006, 20:55:38 pm
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OK, here's question: How many of your LOs have "loveys" (blanket, stuffed animal, etc.)?
Cole doesn't have one.  I've placed a blanket in there (satin/soft fabric) a couple of times and he ends up waving it around like it's a surrender flag.  LOL, it's quite funny.
Good for you on getting up!  maybe now that i'm getting some sleep I can think about working out.  hmmm, i could be now-we have a Bowflex...but the room it's in is chaos right now with christmas stuff.

as for postcard thing, i have a potentially better idea (sorry naomi).  not sure if people were planning this, but we do have quite a few birthdays coming up in the next couple of months...how about sending b-day cards, and if people want to include postcards they can?  just a thought.

k, just when i think i've got things going okay, put cole down for 2nd nap and it took 45 min. to get him down.  A time same as yesterday so i have no idea what happened.  ended up holding til he was calm, nearly asleep, then putting him down. :roll:  :?  just going on 45 min so i'm hoping he'll sleep another 20 or so.  gotta get him up as to not have bedtime battle.

alrighty, gotta do something for DH for his course. hoping to be back tonight briefly.

ttfn.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 09, 2006, 21:43:11 pm
Just HAD to come on here and let you all know.  My friend just called and said, "I don't know what you did to him, but he just took a 2 hour nap!"  Wahoooo!  His longest ever was a bit over an hour.  I told her I BW'ed him (had to get that in again  :wink: ). 

Okay, Ryan is ready to rumble so we'd better go and get down to the business of playing.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 09, 2006, 21:44:34 pm
Goodmorning

I feel like I've achieved something BEFORE I sit down to write today. Ok, so I did read what's been happening, but I did my vacuuming and floors before I sat down again.

Naomi, as for luvey's etc, Daniel seemed to like sucking on his wrap or sheets,, so my mum cut up his old wrap (bassinet sheet) and nicely sewed the edges, made about 6 I think. So he has this in his cot, but he still sucks on his sheets too!  :roll: And his duvet/quilt on the corners, so that's had a few washes now. He's also taken to a little bear that we were given, really plain but he kept pulling it off his bottom shelf in his room, so I've put that in his cot too.

Good on all of you for exercising. I went to the gym on Sunday (can't recall if I told you all that already) and I'm going to go again today if I can work out when. If not, I'll go for a big walk holding my tummy in. Now all my friends around here are back from hols, it's harder cos it's more fun catching up with them and their LO's than going to the gym.  :oops:

Karen, hope things in your family are ok. Did you see I"ll be in Auckland in 2 weeks????!!!!! Yay! Do you work at North Shore hospital or one of the private ones? I'll be staying about 5 mins drive away from the hospital, so  we will have to meet before or after one of your shifts maybe? I'll PM you.

Kate, sounds like you're having fun, or not?! What a shame your BW plan/idea didn't work, maybe you could tell her about it anyway.

Nikki, I'd be going to a Briscoes sale and getting another toaster. Saves on having to remember to turn the toast. Crikey lady, you've got enough to think about.

Judy and Nikki, thanks for explaining a bit more about the please and thank you issue. I guess they to copy what we do/say. I better make sure DH and I are setting a great example then. I think we do.

We had a great night here last night, for the first time in ages Daniel didn't wake at all. Normally he's waking around 2am and calling out cos he's stuck at the bottom of the cot in a funny position. I left the cot totally horizontal instead of putting the blocks back and maybe that's what helped. I went to check on him because I woke at 4am, and he was in a odd position, but he was asleep. I tried to move him, which ofcourse made him stir, but he went straight back to sleep. Didn't hear him thismorning and when DH got up at 7am I asked him to see if Daniel was awake. He was just lying there with his eyes open. Ohhhhh, so cute DH said. So I was wrapped.

Oh and I've decided it's time to get myself more organised in the mornings too. So had my shower while DH was still here. I feel so much better for it.

Finally, I might have found another childcare arrangement for when I go back to work. One of my friends on base is a helicopter pilot and she wants to go back to work when her LO is 1yr. (5mnths old now I think). Her sister is a nanny in the UK and is going to come back and live with them and look after Micky. She suggested that her sister could look after Daniel too if we were interested. Sounds great to me and I told DH last night. He said that if it didn't cost us too much more money than going into daycare it would be a good option. I really hope we can do this. Mind you, she might not be out in time for when I go back to work, so Daniel would probably go to daycare for the first few months. Obviously I'd make sure I like the way she looks after children first of course, her ideas on things etc.

Ok, sorry, another long post from me. bye!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 09, 2006, 22:06:16 pm
kate-that's awesome about your friend. LOL.  maybe just some different stimulation helped.

hayley-that's great abou the nanny, hope it works out for you.

i really should go play with my boy.  he's seen a little too much of the exersaucer today.

i just wanted to say that I second whomever it was that said how quickly our little ones are now developing.  Each day I watch in awe as he discovers new things, shows understanding of his surroundings, giggles uncontrollably at his daddy and me as we play.  I think it does have something to do with his personality emerging now that the first bout of teething is over.  Of course, it also helps that I am coherant during the day to enjoy him :D

Holly says hi. Still not online and still not getting any sleep.  Brady had a GI appt. today and he is still on reflux meds.  Doc said his cold would have made it worse so maybe that's why the screaming last week?  His ears are fine.  She told her doc about his sleep and her recommendation...CIO! :shock:  Holly was not impressed...especially because of his reflux and the pain he MIGHT be in.  I did tell of Cole's success so she is going to try and be more consistent and try to get him to sleep independantly.  He does some nights...but other nights he doesn't. And of course, middle of the night is horrible.  She does know he's not hungry though so she can take that out of the equation.  Poor thing...i hope she figures it out soon.  I might go visit tomorrow so I'll try to remember my camera and take some pics.

OH-and NIKKI-her doc also suggested night terrors...when did Nathans start?  Was he a wee baby...or later on?  Just curious.  want to pass along as much info from you ladies as i can to holly. she needs all the help she can get.

okay, i AM going now...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 09, 2006, 22:44:24 pm
TRACI--LOL at Cole waving the blanket like a surrender flag. Sorry for your crazy naps. Hope tonight is better. Also, pass along (((((HUGS!!!))))) to Holly.

Way to go, KATE!! Spread that BW love!!

HAYLEY--congrats on the good night and it sounds like you might have a great option for child care. Hope it works out for you!

Well, better go get dinner started.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 09, 2006, 23:47:30 pm
Good Morning Everyone!!! (well, some of us - good night others  :lol: )

Hayley - I'm so jealous about your proposed childcare arrangments - wish someone would offer me something like that.  We have to start Fraser in childcare in a couple of weeks and I'm honestly petrified - and then I read posts like Kate's about a little baby left to CIO for ages at childcare.  Fraser has never been left with anyone other than DH or me - not my parents or IL's or anyone.  I am completely overprotective.   :roll:   I was chatting with one of my sister's last weekend and she told me to get over it.  I told her that I'd discuss it with her again when she had her own children and therefore a refernce point (gosh, I'm a b!tch!)

So I was wondering, is anyone happy to post their current day routine for me?  We are having a bit of trouble at the moment with naps - like a whole performance pre-nap time.  I'm wondering if we are going too early, too late, maybe have got a bit lax about wind-down etc.

We were limiting am nap for a while to 1 hour, trying to get pm nap to extend.  After a week of doing that, and pm nap DIDN'T extend, we had a bit of overtiredness going on so we stopped cutting off nap one.  Now nap one has extended to around 2 hours - and so we are either struggling with no second nap or a late second nap pushing bedtime out.
Yesterday pm nap didn't end until 4.40pm (can you tell F was at home with Daddy yesterday??  :evil: ) so bedtime got pushed right back until 7.30, so he didn't fall asleep until 8 - and then woke this morning at 5.50am obviously because of the late bedtime.  AAHHH.

I'm so tired right now.  Not with the night wakings so much - they have reduced now to generally only 1-3 per night and I guess my body has become somewhat accustomed to it - but we started BW with Fraser at 9 weeks or thereabouts.  I really thought that by 9 months we would have had a lot of our issues ironed out.  Plus, with the childcare thing coming up, I worry that no one else will spend the time working with him that DH and I spend, getting him off to sleep but not being held or rocked, nor being left to cry.  In a room with 7 other babies - the carer's won't be able to spend that time.  I really wanted to not have to worry about these things - that's why I turned to BW in the first place.  I guess I'm just so frustrated.  OK - that's enough of a vent.  (Note to self - Think only happy thoughts)

Thanks my friends
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 00:18:43 am
hey Jo-i'll post my day a little later, but for now just a thought...how about nap 1 cut off at 1.5 hours?  sounds as though a few of our los are doing 2x 1.5 hour naps.

fwiw, today we had 1.5 hours and 1:10 ending at 4:20.  trying to put him down now at 7:20 for settling at 7:30.  wish me luck :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 01:02:00 am
Jo - I am more of a 'strict' routine mom, well it all started when I knew I would be leaving Sophie with a nanny and wanted to be as clear as possible on what I wanted done with Sophie, so these times don;t vary more than 10 minutes, I know I'm a dictator but it works and if it ain;t broke...!

6:15 to 7AM - Wake
7AM - Breakfast
9:20 - Diaper change/quick book
9:30 - Nap
10:30 - wake her up.  If she has gotten up early I let her sleep an extra
           15 minutes
11AM - lunch
1:50 - wind down, same as above
2PM - Nap
3:15 - Wake her
3:30 - bottle
5:30 - supper
6:30 - bath
7PM - bottle and BED!

Do you have a daycare picked out yet?  I suppose no matter what, it is going to be something difficult for you but we are here for you no matter what. 

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Of course, it also helps that I am coherant during the day to enjoy him 

LOL Traci!!  I am so happy for you and Cole, jeez I can realx a bit now too, JK!

Andrea - ummm, I;m an idiot - I called you Taylor in my last post  :roll:  :oops: !  I already am doing the mom name thing, "TaylorSophieRyanBRadyWoody...Andrea!"  Sorry girlie, I totally, really, honestly do know your NAME!!

Must dash and get dinner finished and that darned Finger foods list...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 01:02:54 am
well, it's not that much later but DH offered to put dinner together so that i could post so that he can get on here on time tonight.

Jo, last night Cole went down at 7:40pm.

6:30 wake and feed
7:30 breakfast
9:30-11:00 nap (settled in 7 minutes with 1 PD)
11:15 feed.  i give him time to wake up or he will fall back asleep eating
12:30 solids
3:10-4:20 nap.  okay so this isn't ideal, tried to get him down for 2:30
4:30 feed
5:45 dinner
6:30 bath
7:00 BF
7:25 or so bed.  took 20 min. to settle at 7:45, 5 min. of playing and 15 min. of crying, reassuring from outside and 2 PDs.

He is going down well for his 9:30 naps.  The other day he only slept 45 min., not sure why.  He then went down at 2:20pm (4 hours later) and i had to wake him at 4:20.

My goal is 1.5 hours at 9:30 and 2:30.  I wonder though if he's so rested from his 1.5 hours if 2:30 isn't late enough. I've toyed with the idea of waking him after 1 hour in the am so that he's tired for pm nap.  Also, I think I need to start waking him at 4:00 to go down better for 7:15-7:30.  I just LOVE those long afternoon naps though.  My tea tastes so much better hot :wink:

HTH.  I don't envy you.  I really hope to have Cole's naps sorted by the time he's in daycare also (mid April).  knowing my luck he'll start to transition to one nap early :?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 10, 2006, 01:04:48 am
Hey, Jo!  I can bet you are getting really frustrated, but I am so proud of you for working your little tush off for that guy!  You are an AWESOME mommy and always remember that! 

Here is our schedule:
7:30 wake (sometimes 7, sometimes 8  :roll: ) and bf
8:30 cereal and 4 oz. fruit + finger foods (ff)
9:30-9:45 Nap # 1 (1.25-2 hours)
11:30 4 oz. fruit + 4 oz. veg + ff
1:00 (or an hour after he finishes lunch) bf
1:30 or 2:00 (if we're lucky! depends on #1) Nap #2 (1.5-2 hours)
4:00 bf
5:30 cereal and 4 oz. veg + ff
6:15 bath
7:00 books, boobs, bed   :wink:

Traci, please deliver big fat squishy (((hugs))) for our girl, Holly!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 10, 2006, 01:17:09 am
Hey gals!

Loveys, yes Danielle has had one since about 5mths when she started to get a little fussy going down for naps.  I just gave her a big muslin cloth and she mushes it into her face.  Traci, LOL at Cole, Nathan used to wave his blankie around too and it often ended up on his face when he was sleeping (thankfully it was a lightweight linen one otherwise I would have freaked) - the poor thing (well we had 4 and down to 2) is on it's last threads and one even is only the large square strip of fabric around the outside and completely empty in the middle (imagine a picture frame!).

Jo, out routine is pretty much the same still, all times vary but I am a stickler for timed naps and bedtime so it doesn't matter to me if she wakes at 5.15 like this morning or 6.45am yesterday.  I just make sure I fit 3 solid meals in and 4 breastfeeds in there somewhere, sometimes times flys and I wonder why she could possibly be fussing  :oops: .

6amish wake
6.30-7am breastfeed (I don't feed her at 5.15 since she doesn't ask for it and I'd rather she didn't think waking early meant being fed)
8am breakfast (or when I remember  :oops: )
9am nap and wake no later than 10.15am
11.30-12.30pm lunch
1pm nap (this will be anywhere from 1.5-2.5hrs - but more likely 1.5)
3-4pm breastfeed
5-5.30pm dinner
6.45pm breastfeed
7pm bed (this is definitely a set time).

Traci, with Nathan's sleep things started going haywire at 10mths.  But it's varied in different forms over the years.  I think at 10mths though we started getting 5am wakings but fine sleeping overnight (eeek, is that what Danielle is starting  :evil: ).  Not sure when the night terrors and other screaming started - it comes and goes then morphs into something new... :roll:  Sorry, not much help there.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 10, 2006, 01:28:50 am
Jo - ((hugs)) first off.  Frase puts you through so much and you so rarely complain, that I know you've about had it when you do.  Here's our "ideal" routine - which actually happened multiple times last week so I know it's possible. 

7:30-8 - wake and BF
8:30 - breakfast - 4 oz fruit + cereal
11:00 - nap wind down (I sing her one song in the rocker and pop her into bed) + nap
11:45-12 - wake from nap
12:30 - lunch - 4 oz meat/veggies or beans/rice or pasta or yogurt and 4 oz fruit and finger foods (cheese on bread, cheerios, whatever I'm eating  :D )
3:00 - nap wind down and nap 2
4:30 - wake from nap
4:45 - bottle (8-9 oz)
5:30/6:00 - dinner - 4 oz cereal + fruit and something else - sometimes more veggies/meat sometimes just veggies and finger foods
7:30-8:00 - Kate's 3 Bs (bath, boobs, bed - love that  :D )

Katie doesn't need a ton of nap time during the day - 2 - 2.5 hours seems to work well for her - I find if she takes a nap longer than 45 minutes to an hour in the AM, she won't go down for her PM nap until at least 4:30 - at which point it's almost too late for it - she won't sleep as long and she's cranky until bedtime.  When she's ready for the PM nap earlier, it's a longer nap and she's happy until bedtime. 

Hate to tell you this, but she's totally different on the days she's at daycare.  She's an angel, but a spirited one at that and is WAY too interested in the other kids to even think about taking her naps at regular times - she does nap, just not as much.  Her caregivers there have tried to follow our home routine exactly - they follow the same wind down, they don't leave them to CIO, and they do try to extend her naps if they are too short, but to be honest, I've kind of given up the idea that she'll follow her home routine at daycare.  I think if she went every day it would be different, but since she's only there two days a week, I don't think she's ever completely adjusted to it.  That being said, she is always very happy when I see her there - she smiles at all her caregivers right when we come in, she gets excited when I bring her there, and she's sometimes so absorbed in what she's doing when I get there that she doesn't even come over to me at first!  Remember, we're always here for you if you need people to bounce ideas off of as you try and get that kid to SLEEP!

Kate - way to spread the BW word!  And yes, I did do a double take when I read that Michelle was going to Cuba - makes me think of cigars, baseball players, and JFK, not sunny vacations (though I have heard it's really nice!)

Traci - more ((hugs)) to Holly!  Sounds like something is definitely up with Brady....hope they get to the bottom of it soon

Hayley - that child care arrangement sounds great!  Good luck with your exercising -- all this exercising, I may actually get back into it!

Nancy - Katie sleeps with one of those bunny heads attached to a blanket (do you remember that discussion?) - she adores soft things.  When she's crawling around if I've left one of our fleece blankets on the floor, she'll lay on it and suck her thumb and I often think she's about to pass out...so cute!

Micky/Karen - LOL about the voices - Karen, I don't think I'd know a Kiwi accent if I heard one  :D

Nikki - how long do you steam broccoli for Danielle when you give it to her?  I gave Katie a few pieces out of my dinner tonight and she really seemed to like them.

Add me to the bad cook club - I was making some veggie stir fry for dinner (primarily mushrooms - DH is away and I LOVE mushrooms, he can't stand them) and I threw some noodles in that I bought at the store - not realizing I had to COOK the noddles seperately beforehand.  They were soft noodles so for some reason that translated for me into not needing to be cooked.  Um, they didn't taste very good.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 10, 2006, 01:33:30 am
Oh yeah, I had a question  :D
Do you think it's too early for Katie to be getting molars?  She's had her index finger stuck in her mouth at least half the day the past few days, chewing on it - right where they would come in.  I feel like her top gum is a little swollen up there, but could just be making that up.  She's still missing one of her bottom 4 teeth, so I would think that would come in first, but I guess it doesn't really have to....not looking forward to it if it is coming in, she's not the greatest teether in the world!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 10, 2006, 01:42:34 am
I am getting so freaked out about daycare!!!  We are having a horrible time trying to find someone and I am so picky!!!  I figure if Carter won't go to sleep for DH then he definitely won't for some stranger.  I would love someone to come to our home or to take Carter to someone's house rather than an actual daycare.  It is so expensive too!!!  It's around $40-$45 a day here .. does that sound like the going rate???  Hopefully we will find the perfect situation and soon!  My Boss wants me to hurry up and decide what hours I want to work but I don't know yet cause I'm not sure what the daycare hours are etc etc etc!! Plus I work until 6:30 and DH will have to pick him up so I want somewhere close to the border and ugghhh  :roll:  :(   I think it would be good to work afternoons only because at least I would be sure Carter would be getting a good am nap at home but then I would miss out on doing all the surgeries/dentistry's and anesthetics at work.  Unless I just work 3 days a week and am home 2 days with Carter ... that could work too!  Sorry .. just thinking out loud!

Kate/Michelle:  What's wrong with Cuba??  It's a hot travel spot for most Canadians.  Oh wait ... Dh is telling me about Cuban/US relations ... ok I get it!  I guess because DH crosses the border every day to the US we can't vacation in Cuba or they won't let him into the US!

Nancy:  Carter doesn't have a lovey.  He doesn't seem interested.  We actually don't have anything in his crib but I would like to put a blanket on him on cold nights.  I am just afraid that he will suffocate himself.  Maybe when he can crawl and move around a little better then I will give him something.  If it helps to soothe him so I don't have to get up in the middle of the night that would be GREAT!!!

Carter is crying his little head off and I think DH is ignoring him  :evil: GRRRRR .. better go see what is up!

HAve a good night!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 10, 2006, 01:44:41 am
Erin, yikes on the thought of molars, but yeah I guess anythings possible.  The way I understand it, is everything moves around in there anyway, so even if the tooth isn't about to pop through, her jaw is probably making way for everything to come up.  We've only just had the edge of Danielle's "1st" tooth come through in the last few days and I can see the bulge of the 2nd there.

As for brocolli, she doesn't seem to mind it done as in just cooked (you know that term al dente? and still bright green) or more cooked till slightly mushy (yuck!) - read: mummy forgot to take it off the stove!

Re your Kiwi accent, well Rachel Hunter (you know, Rod Stewarts Ex and super model) still has a "little" bit of hers left if you've ever heard her speak, it comes and goes.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 10, 2006, 01:45:27 am
JO-- Here's what our day looks like. We're pretty flexible, but usually stay within a half-hour range:

Sometime between 7:30 and 8:00 Wake and bottle
8:30-9:00 Play
9:00 Oatmeal and fruit
9:30 Play
10:45 Nap #1 (wind down consists of closing blinds, turning on soft music, turning off lights, at which point Liv will curl up on my chest and suck her thumb. I usually hold her for a minute or 2 then put her in crib, turn off music and leave the room)
12:00 Wake and bottle
12:30 Play
1:00 4 oz fruit or veggie and some finger foods
1:30 Play
3:00 Nap #2
4:15 Wake and bottle
4:30 Play
5:30 4 oz of meat and veggies, 4 oz of fruit (she's just recently started eating ALL of both jars)
7:00 Bath, story, bottle then bed

HTH

ERIN--LOL at your stir fry story...uncooked noodles. Yum! Maybe instead of going to a spa, we should all get together and take a cooking class!!

Thanks to everyone for answering the lovey question. SO it sounds like your LOs just took to them on their own. I guess I'll just keep putting it in her crib and if she takes to it great, if not, I guess that's OK. Does anyone's LO NOT use a lovey? I dont' want to "force" her to have one, I just know that it can sometimes help with security and all, and I figured with the SA, it couldn't hurt.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 10, 2006, 01:59:22 am
Oh Judy you are too funny. Look who's talking...Mrs. Size 9 after 4 kids!! Sure I can "almost" fit those pants but my body is just not the same, never will be I suppose!?!  How do women who've had kids get rid of that "buddah belly"??? Mine has never gone away, from Mason to now. I suppose if I did like 500 crunches a day?? Naaaaaaaah who can be bothered?!  :roll:

Nikki - is it Nathan that is allergic to wheat?? How did you find that out btw?? Anyone in your family with a history of allergies?

Kate - oh yes, Cuba. I forgot the whole USA/Cuba thing. I am not even sure what the whole issue is/was to be honest. I am embarrassed to say that!!  :oops: Lots of Canadians go there though. I had been to Mexico already and Aaron wanted to go someplace that neither of us had been, so Cuba it is!!  You worked your BW magic on your friend's LO?? How cool is that?

Karen - LOL at everyone in your mind has a Kiwi accent! Everyone is Canadian to my "ears". Funny, I got a phone call today from a fellow BW who lives in England and was surprised at the strong accent! I expected a little bit of an accent (like on TV I guess?) but it was very, very cool!

Nancy - good for you on getting up early and doing the treadmill. Gosh, it is so hard to get motivated isn't it?? When Mason was about 2 I started going to the gym, would get up at 6 am, drop him off at daycare at 6:45 am and spend about an hour every morning there. I loved it! I was so rejuvenated and energized. Now though, I don't have enough energy to blink sometimes.
Molly does have a "lovey". It is just a really soft pink monkey. She loves it, hugs it when she sleeps and/or holds on to the tail!!  She also has a "Banky" (that is the name on the tag) and it is like a little blanket with a stuffed animal head and legs?? Hard to explain, I'll see if I can attach a picture. That one is at daycare, she does the same with that.

Traci - LOL @ Cole and his surrender flag. I do love your idea of birthday cards. It would be so cool to get like 20 birthday cards in the mail from all over wouldn't it?? Poor Holly, give her my hugs and well wishes OK??

Hayley - Mason too was a blanket sucker. At first I thought it was so cute, that was until he wouldn't give it up!! :shock: He would suck on ANYTHING we put in his crib then his bed with him. Took away his blankets (it was summer time LOL) and he sucked on his pillowcase. He finally stopped when he started grade 1.  Awesome about the nanny, hope it works out for you!

Jo - just to let you know as far as daycare goes, when I started Molly I spoke with the director of the centre and the lead of the baby room to let them know my concerns. I absolutely DID NOT want Molly rocked to sleep or fed to sleep or put in her crib with a bottle. I wrote them out a schedule and asked if they could really try to stick to it as much as possible, understanding of course that she was not their only concern. As it turned out, their schedule matches ours almost perfectly, as far as eating and sleeping times so I had myself all worked up and worried for nothing. I echo Erin's post about daycare days being different than days at home too. At daycare Molly will often not nap in the morning, but will take one in the afternoon. She is still happy all the time, will go to bed a bit earlier though. Hope you are able to find someone you feel comfortable with and that will work with you to make Fraser's days (and yours) enjoyable!! :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 10, 2006, 02:18:26 am
hi girls....
life has been very hectic lately here.....I just wanted to pop on and say hi to you all before I crash.
Traci, I like your idea of the bday card thingy....it would be a good idea to put a postcard in with it tho, are we talking about our bdays or the lo's, sorry I am a little stunned today....
As for our routine, I have no clue where we are, i am just plain happy if she doesn't scream going to bed, once she is asleep it is no problem, just some nights it is getting her there that sucks.
Righty my darlings, I will try and pop on and say hi tomorrow..depends how hectic my day gets at work, as I usually try to squeeze a peek at lunch time....but we have a luncheon appointment tomorrow.....
Well I got a friend of mine on at the place where I work, she started today, not bad I get $1000 after she has been there 6mths.
Let me know about the cards thingy...pm or email me if I don't rear my head for a couple of days.....
Take care all....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 02:19:00 am
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LOL Traci!! I am so happy for you and Cole, jeez I can realx a bit now too, JK!
LOL richelle, i was thinking the exact same thing.

so it looks at though MOST of our los have around 3 hours A time before bed, with the exception of Danielle.  I'm still toying with Cole's and I keep hitting after 3 hours.  Think I need to try for 3 hours tomorrow to see how he does.  Not sure if he's crying because he's not tired...or because he's overtired.  sheesh, i sound like a broken record...that's what i said about nap today i think.

goodnight all.  this will be my LAST post of the night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 02:20:37 am
i lied, i'm back.  naomi posted at the same time.

i was thinking of cards for our los naomi...since they'll all be coming up in march and april :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 10, 2006, 03:20:14 am
Jo and Cathy, I am exactly the same about daycare and if between the two of us (dh and myself), we could not work out a care routine, I was not going to go back to work, move to a smaller house, live on fresh air and sunshine...you get the picture.

So pleased for those of you whose Daycare arrangements work for you.

Hayley, your childcare thing sounds ideal! NOOOO definitely have to catch up on my day off so that Sam could meet Daniel as well.  :lol: I work at the public hospital at the Shore. Does your mum live in Northcote? Oh and I got the Baby and Toddler Feeding Cookbook by Annabel Karmel. Got it from Dymocks and it goes through till age 7 and has lots of family meal ideas as well.

Richelle, could you PM me your finger food list as well, please?

Nikki, meant to say, sorry about the couscous recipe, soo insensitive of me! I knew Nathan had Coeliac's too.

Jo, our routine. Varies by about 1/2 hour:

6-6.30 am wake (works for me for the days I go to work)
6.30 am Bf
7am  Cereal and a piece of fruit
8.45-9 am Nap#1 (usually about 1.25-1.5 hours)
10.30 wake
11 am bottle
12 lunch
2 pm Nap #2 (again about 1.25-1.5 hours)
3.30 wake and bottle
5 pm dinner
6.30 bath
6.45 BF
7 pm Bed

HTH..

Traci, hugs to Holly!! Please tell her we have been thinking about her.
Oh and I am in the process of amending the Christmas list with names of dh's and los birth dates. Nikki, Nancy and Judy- would it be alright if I added you into the list...I will need your addresses. Just let me know if it is not OK
Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 03:46:33 am
HI ladies.  I am feeling a bit guilty right now because dh cooked dinner while I put lo to bed...and now he is sitting alone watching tv...oh well...he can wait....you know you're addicted when.

I have just caught up but didn't take notes, so I will do my best.

Traci yeah for Cole.  And yes teh bday card thing is a great idea.

I am so proud of myself, I just ordered our cards (Happy New Year :) )  They will be in the mail soon!

Laughing my a$$ off at Judy's comment to Michelle about being a size 5 ...I was totally :roll:  :roll: when I read that too!  :P

There was more funny stuff....but I should really go.

Weekdays feel like the alarm is the gun going off to start the race and it's  like go...go....go....go until I get into bed pratically. 

Karen...smaller house, live off sunshine and fresh air.....Sounds so good most days.  :)

Thanks for being here.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 10, 2006, 04:10:30 am
Karen, no need to apologise for sending me a couscous recipe!  I totally didn't think of that at all, I'm used to substituting, but I love ideas and different combinations to try so it is totally do-able!  Ummm, as for the cards, I just can't see myself doing it sorry, so I'd hate for you all to add me to your lists. :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 10, 2006, 04:24:38 am
Hi Everyone

Karen - I wish I could just not work and not do daycare but at the moment Brett is studying and it's my turn to support our little family.  Thankfully it will only be for 2 days a week - the rest of the week Brett will continue to look after him.

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences.  Erin, I am not at all worried really if Fraser decides that sleeping at day care is for sissies and he'll do his sleep catch up at home.  My main concern is him being left to cry.  I'm not even all that concerned about occassionally holding him to sleep if he won't go off on his own - my thinking it that he's at an age now where he can differentiate the way he goes to sleep here from how he goes to sleep elsewhere.  Could well be wrong but anyway - I'd prefer holding to sleep than crying to sleep.  JMO

Also - I don't know about anyone else but Nikki, I'd still love to be able to send you a card or whatever here or there.  Don't expect anything in return  :lol:  Just because you don't send a Christmas card or whatever - you give all of us so much on this site and I would like to be able to include you in our card exchanges as a token of appreciation.  So if everyone else is OK with that (same Judy and anyone else who feels like they wouldn't have the time - even though I can't see WHY, with 4 babies, you wouldn't be able to make the time to send out a couple of measly cards  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:  )  Is that OK with everyone else?

And I saw Lisa today - Fraser and James had a swimming lesson together, they were the only 2 in the class  so cute AWWW a BW swimming lesson  :lol:  - anyway, when she got back from her holiday her computer was broken so she's put it in for repair.  She misses you all and can't wait to get on line and catch up (but she did say that she won't read the 50 odd pages that have been posted during her absense  :D )  She said she'll be back up and running in the next couple of days.

Take care all
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 10, 2006, 05:04:02 am
Hello ladies,

I finally went back and read all the posts from Sunday and today. Even if I don't comment on them, I still like to know YKWIM?

Okay... the night... well... she was asleep at 7:35 ish as you recall. No wakings until 1:30 am. I fed her... back to sleep until 5:15... DH put her back down until 6:30 and then up for the day. So, technically, only 1 night waking as the 5:15 has always been around on and off... we have been working on getting rid of that for as long as I remember... it is hit and miss whether she makes it through the 5:15 mark or not.

The day was okay. Somebody asked about how she sleeps for naps. She is held until she is calm... put in her crib and patted. DH tends to hold her longer than I do and therefore, when we are both home, she will fuss and squeal and generally be a miserable miss until I let DH put her down. (Like today... DH is home sick... Judy... thinking that he gets the nausea from lack of sleep, like your DH). Anyhow, she only took a 45 min. PM nap. Maybe she is shifting her naps around?? Who knows... just when I thought we had a great routine going here.

Okay... tonight. Put her down at 7:15. I had to leave the room to make her cry. Left... counted to 75. Went in to do PD. If she continued to cry, I stayed... if she stopped and pulled up "happy"... I left, counted to 75... etc. If I don't leave, she doesn't cry and PD doesn't really work with a happy baby. So... after 47 minutes, she stays down and "allows" me to pat her. I pat her until she stops the loud crying and hold my hand there while she falls asleep. I leave the room about 5 minutes later. She just woke after 45 minutes -ish... DH is patting her back to sleep. Apparently, she was up on all fours.

So... I hope that this is paying off. 5 minutes less today than yesterday. My DH thinks that she didn't wake yesterday because she was tired from crying :roll:  and I also think, yup... if I cried hard for 50 minutes, I wouldn't wake up either. Anyhow, tonight is proof that that is not the case. She has already woken up once... that leaves no more wake-ups left for the night... she has used up her quota :wink: .

Thanks ladies for all the support. I am going to continue to work on night sleeps before I work on independent naps. She goes down in less than 5 minutes for both her naps and they are usually 1.5 hours long. I don't want to mess with that right now... especially if she is not getting to bed until 8 or so with all the PDs.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 10, 2006, 05:14:32 am
Ankie,
I plan to actually pm you with a few other thoughts I have been rolling around in this noggin of mine, but really quick...you said yesterday that when she wakes you don't know if she is really hungry.  Esp. because she doesn't eat well (solids) during the day.
Perhaps her body has adjusted to the one feeding she is getting in the night (or early morning), therefore she doesn't need the calories in the day.
There is a case study (again, can't remember the page) where Tracy instructs the mom not to feed between teh hours of 11-5 so the baby starts to take better feeds.  The mom was afraid she would go hungry but since the lo was a little older, Tracy assured her she wouldn't starve.  perhaps if you didn't feed at all between a certain timeframe, she would start needing/wanting more calories during the day so would eat better?

Just a thought, please dismiss if oyu have already tried.

Also, if it makes you feel better, we have struggled with teh 5am ish wake up for oh about 3-4 months!   :shock:  :roll:  So friggin annoying and have tried everything but am at a loss.

Hi to everyone else!  Sorry to "ignore" the rest of you, but jsut wanting to try and give some extra TLC to our gal Ankie.
gotta scoot and do some reading!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 10, 2006, 05:28:17 am
hi girls!

Jo: that's great to hear about Lisa...I was beginning to wonder if James had turned into such a good baby that she didn't need us anymore  :wink: !  :D Our routine is something like this:

0815-0830 wake (Thank You California!!  :D )
0830-0900 breakfast & bottle
1130-1245 nap  (windown consists of changing bum, turning off lights and singing itsy-bitsy spider to him)
1300-1330 lunch & bottle
1530-1620 nap
1630- snack (cheerios or arrowroot cookie)
1800-1830 dinner & bottle
1900-2000 bath, remainder of bottle from dinner and bed

I'm fortunate enough that I'm able to stay at home with Jack...so I don't plan on working more then I need to to maintain my credentials.  Only 1500 hours over 4 years.  So my plan is to work one or two shifts every time DH is home from work.  I would also be stressing over finding a good dayhome that wouldn't let him CIO.  So lots of ((((((hugs)))))))finding one that makes you happy!

I think it was Nancy asking about a lovey (sorry, short memory  :roll: )  I started giving Jackson a teddy at about 7 months during our winddown so that he could see it before I turned out the lights. At first he wasn't too interested in it.  But probably a week or so later of giving it to him every winddown he started smiling and grabbing it from me and sucking on the ears, tail, arm, leg or anything he could get in his mouth.  He loves his 'Chewie' now and I quite often find him lying on top of it or cuddling it when he first wakes up.  It will also calm him sometimes during the middle of the night if he wakes and can't settle on his own.  I sometimes only have to hand him Chewie and he goes right back to sleep.  I think it has definitely helped with his SA. IMO.

Ankie: sounds like you are starting to make some headway!!  :D   Yeah!!  Keep at it you are doing great!  Maybe Arwyn has finally taken the hint?!? :wink:  (Doing the anti-jinx dance for you!)

hannah: I was laughing too at Judy's comment about Michelle's size 5!!  I told you "skinny jeans" is all relative!!  My skinny jeans are definitely not a size 5!!!!!  Those would be my anorexic jeans. :shock:  :lol:  :wink:

I'm in for sending b-day cards/ postcards or whatever.  Postcards would be cool too just to have picture of where you all live.  But I'm game for anything! :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 10, 2006, 05:37:54 am
Andrea... just read your post. Yup... we tried the no middle of the night feeding... for 2 weeks through the Christmas holidays. It didnt' improve her solid intake during the day. It didn't improve her night wakings at all either. I am hoping that training her to fall asleep on her own will work.

Anyhow... now that I remember after you mentioned eating... Arwyn is eating much better... why? because we are all sitting down at the SAME time, to eat. We were feeding her first, doing all the bedtime stuff and putting her to bed first, before eating. My mom suggested we all eat together... we have been doing that for 2 days now. Last night, she didn't eat well at all, she was having different food than us. Today, I ate lunch with her... not bad. She had approximately 2 oz. of rice noodles in chicken broth. Dinner was sooooo cute... we had chicken, pasta, carrots and broccoli. I gave her the pasta without the sauce, cut up the carrots and gave her the broccoli. She was thrilled. She sat very nicely at her highchair and ate. She could have continued eating carrots but we had finished them all :oops: and it was so cute watching her eat the broccoli... she would hold onto the stem like a handle, eat the florets and then discard the stem :lol: . She didn't like the chicken though and didn't touch it. Also... I cut up some purple yams for her and she didn't touch them either. DH thinks that she knows that it is something that we are not eating. Oh... and everytime she saw us take a sip of our milk, she would reach for her bottle of apple prune juice. DH's comment... what a way to force family meals!

So... Karen, our resident solid food expert, I need all the help I can get for planning family friendly meals. I am not a great cook, nor a bad one... just a boring one. I have no imagination and often, forget to add spices and stuff... DH comments about the bland food thing once in a while and I still forget :roll: .
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 10, 2006, 05:38:48 am
oh yeah...I had a couple more things I wanted to add...

I made "my favorite pancakes" out of Annabel Karmel's cookbook tonight so Jack could have them for breakfast tomorrow.  Has anyone else made these?  They turned out more like crepes.  I guess they should, seeing as how they only have flour, eggs, a pinch of salt and milk in them but I'm just doubting myself.  I added vanilla and cinnamon to them too.  They taste pretty darn good so I'm interested to see if Jackson likes them tomorrow.

Last night (actually morning  :roll: --7amish) Jack woke up screaming.  I knew he was still tired because after sleeping all night he usually wakes up babbling....anyways, I think one of my cats pushed open his door and may have jumped on him or something and scared the sh!t out of him.  :shock:   Luckily ( :wink: ), I was able to give him Chewie and off to sleep he went again for another hour!  8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 10, 2006, 05:44:25 am
Ankie: You should look for " The Healthy Baby Meal Planer" by Annabel Karmel.  I just got it at Chapters.  It has some really interesting meals in it that are good for the whole family and it goes from first solids to toddler-hood.  I'm also not a bad cook....just a very forgetful one!  :wink:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 10, 2006, 06:33:56 am
Karen-I keep forgetting.  This is for you!  Hope you get a kick out of it  :D  :lol:  and I hope you don't think we are too weird or anything!
So they're not exactly twins or anything when you compare them side by side, but to me a very strong resemblance!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 10, 2006, 06:35:23 am
LOL Andrea, gotta bit of spare time or what!  :lol:  8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 10, 2006, 06:39:20 am
I did also want to mention that---it is not like this took us hours to do.  DH is a Adobe photoshop genius and did this in about 3 minutes flat!  I swear!  I really don't have that much time  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 10, 2006, 06:41:30 am
OK, so i can't remember, but WHICH one is DH and which one is Sam's famous father? :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 10, 2006, 08:15:04 am
Hi, ok, I'll try to keep this shorter than the last one!

Nikki, I think Sam's DD is the one on the right? I think  :oops:

Oh no, now I"ve forgotten everything I was going to say......

Oh yeah, Micky, did the pancakes use the entire egg? We're told here not to give egg whites until 12 months. I can't wait to be able to give Daniel pancakes as it's my favourite weekend meal.

Ankie, I"m sure you've tried, but I'll suggest the obvious, have you played around with Arwyn's night time bedtime? Maybe she's over tired/under tired? Also, as for 5am wakings, Daniel did this for months also. Finally when we changed his bedtime from 6.30pm to 7pm it fixed itself. Amazing. It took about 2 weeks before he stopped waking to get up at this time. He would then sometimes stir at this time and I go in and put his covers back on and tell him to go back to sleep. Lately he's fine though until about 6.30am approx.  It sounds like Arwyn is good with finger foods. I couldn't imagine Daniel eating what we eat. He doesn't like feeding himself much and certainly not biting pieces of carrots or brocolli. You're doing better than us when it comes to food, so at least that's one thing you don't have to worry about.

Karen, and anyone other food gurus, do you think I should try Daniel on a very bland thai chicken curry I made tonight. It was really bland, even for me (I don't like too hot), so I thought some of the leftovers I'd blend up for Daniel tomorrow. It's got carot, potato, tomato, red capsicum, onion, chicken, coconut milk and a bit of red curry paste. I would boil up some rice and blend together. What do you think?

Can you tell I'm still food obsessed? We had tears all thru dinner tonight, a bit late again I think, 5.20pm and he hadn't slept since 11.30am. Bad mummy took him shopping and got back to late and past his sleep window.

Right, I'm keeping this short. Sorry for everyone I've missed out. But I'm trying not to blab for too long.

 :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 10, 2006, 08:25:43 am
Hi again, one last thing, someone asked what the custard was I was giving Daniel. I've got tins and powder, basically they're the same, with:

skim milk, water, sugar, ground rice, egg yolk, vanilla flavour. In about that order, so unfortunately sugar is up there! Oh well, he's allowed a tiny bit of sugar I figure. It can't be too bad for him if Watties make it - can it??

The custard recipe that Karen gave me is more like an baked egg custard. Egg and veges and milk.

Lastly, I noticed a few of you do the veges and fruit for lunch and dinner. This is what I was doing, then I realised that we (DH & I) don't have similar lunches to dinners every day, so I'm trying to do more lunch type food. Can anyone give me some suggestions for lunch apart from cheese on toast, or scrambled egg (not so keen on but I'll keep trying). Thanks.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 10, 2006, 08:52:04 am
ROTFLMAO Andrea!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I had to take a second look to work out which one dh is...my excuse, the pics were sooo small but I see what you mean about the resemblance. Have to show dh. I am still laughing!!!! :lol:  :lol:

Nikki, Des is the one in the middle (I think) :wink: Yup, that's him!
Am with Jo about the Birthday cards. I personally would like to send Danielle one so if you wouldn't mind, would you PM me your address. Also let me know if it is for general consumption or not and I will either put it on the list or leave it off. Same for Judy! You guys have been such great supports and it would be like forgetting to send your friends birthday cards.

Macaire and Hayley, I have not got your los birthdates. Sorry too thick to be able to work it out from your ticker, Hayley.

Hayley, I give Sam chicken curry. I just blend it and give it to him. Other lunch ideas-pita or bagel with hummus, little sandwiches with a chicken, avocado spread ( I will find the recipe and PM you), vege patties (Nikki posted a recipe once and I can dig that out for you), french toast (eggy bread), sushi ( you could make them without the raw fish). HTH.

Ankie, sooo cute at eating together. I also find that Sam eats better when we eat together but 5 or 5.30 is seriously too early for dinner so we try and do lunch with him. Ankie, at the end of my Annabel Karmel book, there is a sample menu for like a week...I will PM it to you tomorrow as it is way past my bedtime now.

Must go to bed...still laughing at the pic, Andrea.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 10, 2006, 09:40:26 am
Andrea - too funny!!  SURE that only took a minute or so  :wink:  :wink:

Karen - if you don't mind, instead of having to PM each one of us individually with the recipes - could you please post them in the general forum?  I know that Andrea once attached a word document that we could then read instead of pasting directly into the body of the message - would that be ok??

Same Richelle with the finger food list??

Thanks so much!

Thanks everyone for posting your days - will have to have a good look through them and try and figure this little guy out - boy, he is not making it easy on us I would have to say.  Hayley, I'm right there with you on the grumbling all the way through dinner (and lunch).  Breakfast is usually OK because we've found something he likes (thankfully!!).  Ankie, we have decided to try the "family dinner" idea as well to try and encourage eating - if nothing else whoever is feeding Fraser will try and eat something at the same time - even if it is just crackers and dip or something - just so he starts to get the idea.

OK - it's 7.36pm here.  Fraser has just gone down to sleep after a 30 minute battle (better than the hour or hour and a half that we had - oh, not so long ago - but still takes a big chunk out of the night).  He had 2 shorter naps today - 9 - 10.15 (woke of his own volition) and 1.30 - 2.30.  I thought the second nap might go a bit longer (after swimming) but I think he woke hungry at 2.30 - because I forgot to give him his lunch time BF.  Bad mummy!!!  Poor little guy.  Luckily we had some left over EBM from yesterday that we put through custard for his lunch, so at least he wasn't completely milk deprived.  He still had 3 milk feeds today though - I fed him at 2.30 as soon as he woke up.

OK, you are probably all sick of me today!!
Chat soon
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 10, 2006, 11:09:14 am
just a quick thought before work, but what about bday cards for us mum's!!!!
cards for our lo's would be awesome, but it would be so nice to send something for each others bday's.....if karen is doing up a list of the lo's bdays, how about you all email me your bday's if you like....I can do it as my weekend project....
K  gotta run, need to get andy and the kids out of the door this morning....
ooo,ooo, jay counted to four this morning!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 10, 2006, 13:39:04 pm
Good morning all!  We had  agreat night ... Carter slept 9:00pm until 7:00am!!!!!  MAkes me very happy!!!  We have a ped appt today to discuss Carter's allergies.  I am getting concerned about them as a few daycares have decided to not take Carter because of them.  I just want to get him retested to find out if he even still has them.

All of your lunches/dinners sound great .. I'm so jealous!!!  If anyone has any lunch or dinner ideas (besides plain old veggies and fruit) that doesn't involve eggs or milk I would love to hear about them!!!  I like to cook and I am a good cook (DH thinks so anyway  :wink: ).  I would love to be able to give him things like cheesy toast (like Micky makes it!!  :P  :D ) or pancakes but it seems everything has milk and eggs!!!!  Poor kid ... he's going to lead a deprived life!!!

Ankie:  We always eat together now too!  I get DH to feed Carter his "spoon food" while I finish preparing dinner and then Carter eats finger foods while we eat our dinner.  That way I get 2 things done at once!!!

Jo:  Here's our schedule ... it's mostly the same as everyone else except at bedtime!!!
7:30 - wake and bf
9:00ish - cereal and fruit
10:00 - nap (winddown is walking around house, a song, cuddles then into crib)
11:30 - wake and bf
1:00 - 2oz veggies and 2oz fruit, 1/2 cookie and Nutrios
2:30 - nap
4:00 - wake and bf
5:30 - 2oz meat/casserole and 2oz fruit, finger foods and Nutrios
7:00 - 1/2 cup cereal
7:30 - bath
8:00 - 2oz ebm, boobs and bed by 8:30

So I guess it looks like he is up for 4.5 hours before bed but his other awake times are pretty short still.

There was a bunch of other things I wanted to reply to but they have totally slipped my mind  :oops:   

Hopefully I will be back later and can post some more!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 15:14:12 pm
Hey girls-I haven't even discussed sleep with my potential daycare provider :shock: she had to rebook our meeting from this weekend because she was ill.  Maybe I'll call her to have a discussion so i can get it off my mind.  I don't think it will be a problem though.  I think Cole will be the youngest and all the others (5) are well established there and likely nap well. (here's to hoping anyway)

Glad to hear about Lisa.  Too bad about the bum PC.  i'd DIE if ours went on the fritz.

I agree with Jo about sending cards to nikki, judy etc.  Or shall I say Danielle, Kaia and Hannah.  Totally understand if you guys don't have the time/aren't interested.

Ankie-totally agree to leave the naps for now if she's going down well.  I too stayed in the room with cole this morning and he settled quickly.  Congrats on the good night.  And that IS a good night.  Just remember that she's crying because you're doing something different.  Why wouldn't she cry if mommy doesn't want to play anymore but wants her to sleep?  You just have to make her understand that it's bedtime.  I agree with Hayley, and I'm sure you've toyed with it...but maybe her bedtime is too early?  Is she giving you cues?  I'm starting to think I'm missing Cole's bedtime window.  Wondering if he's tired while in bath/wrestling getting him dressed so I miss his cues.

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I started giving Jackson a teddy at about 7 months during our winddown
Micky-i looked at all of coles teddy's today and they all either have a rattle in them or that lentil-like type filling in the feet or body.  Is jackson's just a soft teddy.  I don't want cole becoming attached to something that could pull apart and spill in the night kwim?  maybe i'll go out and get one.  I like the idea of introducing it during windown.  MatthewsMommy encouraged me to have my old swaddle over my shoulder during windown months ago and i did it for about a month but he never really took to it.  maybe i'll try again.

Also-regarding the pancakes, do you buy HOMO milk to make jacksons food from, or just use your own..and if so, is it skim, 2%?  thanks
I have another of annabels books so i'm hoping it has as many good recipes as the one you have.

Andrea-LOL at the pic.  I knew which one was karen's DH!

As for food-Cole is loving toast, but i have to break it up for him.  He won't eat chunks of anything, cooked carrot, banana.  nope.  I even mashed carrot last night but it was still too chunky and he gagged and puked a bit. :(

Last night was pretty good for sleep. down at 7:45, woke an hour later but settled himself.  woke at 10 and settled himself.  woke at 11 and i did PD and right back to sleep.  woke at 4:15, tried to settle, took HUGE feed. woke at 5:45 for the day (okay-this part NOT good).  after sitting in glider playing with toys for 15 min. i realized his diaper leaked.  Pampers "baby dry" my @ss.  it wasn't even that full.  I haven't double diapered him for ages...not needing to.  DH bought a ton of pampers because they were on sale and we had coupons. i don't like them at all. I like the cruisers...but they are more expensive.  oh well-looks like my friends will get diapers as shower gifts.  anyway, i guess 7:45 is too late, as i said last night...going to try to bring bedtime closer to 7-7:15.  he went down really well for nap at 8:50.  tried to stretch to 9 but he was tired.  down now for an hour and 20...

it's funny how your body adjusts to normal sleep so soon.  I was so tired this morning.  DH was supposed to get up and study because he didn't last night but he saw how tired i was and let me sleep another hour. :D i went to pour my coffee only to realize i had turned on the machine and put the pot full of water on the burner :? then i went to put the cap on the cream only to realize i had thrown it out with the little tab i had pulled out to open it :?

oh-speaking of cream...can i put that in Cole's eggs?  i'm not pumping anymore and he won't take eggs with formula.  would cream be better or just a splash of skim milk?  not sure if it matters if it's just a bit?

Cathy-I have a friend who's DD (2.5 yrs. old) is allergic to dairy.  I'll email her right now and see if she has any specific recipe books or anything.

have a good day/night everyone.  i'm sure i'll be back during nap 2!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 15:37:15 pm
Traci:

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He won't eat chunks of anything, cooked carrot, banana. nope. I even mashed carrot last night but it was still too chunky and he gagged and puked a bit.

Sophie won't take chunky food off of a spoon or from me but does just fine if I give her something big enought that she can grab and take a bite off of,  KWIM? 

I use skim milk for cooking even for Sophie but I will use half and half if I have it, much tastier and OK for Sophie to have the fat!

I will attach my FF list, I didn;t include obvious stuff like roasted/ steamed veggies ect.

Cathy - have you tried Soy products for Carter?  Although eggs is a tough one to get around, have you googled eggless recipes?

Hayley - I cook with whole eggs for sophie as long as it is something that I am going to bake.  I have made her pancakes with just egg yolk , they are just a bit heavier.

Andrea - LOL at the pic's!!

So, Sophie is gettiing around in a new and very interesting way.  Over the weekend she mastered sitting up from her tummy.  now she shimmies and rolls then goes to a sitting positon and carries on going from tummy, rolls, sits up, turns around, goes to tummy, rolls then sits up again.  It is the strangest thing I have ever seen but she seems to get to where she wants to go!

I have attached the finger food list, I am also busy getting some of the art work and very fun stuff I have going for a website.  Anyway i will fill you all in soon as it comes togather a bit more.  I have been not saying much as I don;t want to jinx it  :wink: !
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 15:45:45 pm
Cathy - I found this site if it helps

http://kidswithfoodallergies.org/index.php

Also, I sorta guessed on measurments as I never follow recipes just throw stuff together but I am pretty godd at estimates!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 16:05:13 pm
hey richelle- i tried toast fingers but he didn't want to bite it...that's why i break it up.  i put the chunks on his tray to pick up.  hmmm, maybe i'll try longer carrot sticks and see if he'll bite it off.  I'll try toast fingers again today.

ooooooooooooooh, i've been wanting to ask about the artwork.  very very excited to see it.

andrea-know you're busy...but how is Taylor Made coming along?  Can't wait to put in my order!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 16:21:39 pm
richelle-just looked at the finger food list.  WOW!  that is awesome.  how on earth do you have time to cook so much?  guess i gotta get my act together.

and isn't mayo made with eggs...or just egg whites?  guess it's a small part of the recipes so it wouldn't matter.  can't wait to try some of these...thanks!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 10, 2006, 16:46:43 pm
Richelle:  Thanks so much for the website!  I already found a cake recipe on that site which I have been looking for (you know since his bday is coming up!!!).  The list of finger foods looks yummy.  I am going to pass it on to a friend of mine who has a one year old.  I am going to make the stew one, I am pretty sure Carter will love it!!!  Does Sophie eat a lot of tuna??  My ped told me I couldn't start that until 1 yr, maybe because of all of his other allergies.  Thanks again!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 10, 2006, 16:59:07 pm
Thanks for the finger food list, Richelle! Have it printed and am ready to go shopping!!

Karen... funny... I knew the middle picture was Des but... I had to look so closely because the added moustache and all isn't too far off... however, then I remembered he didn't have any facial hair... how I remembered tha? I don't know... perhaps it is a cultural thing? Not many Chinese people I know have enough hair to grow it????

Naomi... all for the cards!! However, there are a lot of us and to add the los and the moms makes the list very large!! How are we gonna decide??

Okay... the night was terrible... but I feed good about it :?:  :? Anyhow, she woke at 8:55-ish... as I was on here last night. DH settled her. She woke again at 11:55... DH settled her but didn't stay the 20 minutes and she woke 20 minutes later. I went in and had to do full on PD, including the screaming baby and such. I ended up having to pat her VERY hard and sing VERY loud, over her crying to settle her down. I patted her to sleep :oops: and every time she whimpered more than 2 times, I would start patting again. I stayed another 20 minutes after she fell asleep (doing Mountain pose in front of her crib :) ).She went down until 4:45 am... I woke DH to settle her as I didn't want to feed her and she slept until 6:30 am.

So... girlies... bedtime is now close to 8:00 pm because of all the crying and screaming. Will it ever be 7 pm again? :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 10, 2006, 17:11:38 pm
Andrea - LMAO!! That looks so cool! That Ken Watanabe is one handsome guy for sure. Yes Karen, your DH is a hottie!!

Hi Naomi - nice to see you on here once in awhile!! Congrats to Jay for his counting to 4 - how exciting!

Cathy - what allergies does Carter have? Just eggs and millk? You wouldn't think it would be too hard for daycare to keep eggs and milk out of his food?? How rude of them. You don't want to leave him at those places anyways... Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Traci - Molly gags on anything chunky too and will often throw up when she is gagging. Oh joy, it is so much fun. Speaking of diapers, I always found Huggies to work best for Mason and of course stocked up on them when Molly was born. Well, her being a girl, she pees differently and the Huggies are crap for girls IMHO!! We find the Pampers work better for her. Strange isn't it??

Richelle - thanks for the finger food list. Will give some of those a try with Molly. The No Choking Apples sounds really yummy!!  LOL @ Sophie's way of transportation...whatever works for her!!


Oh yeah, I'm up for bday cards/postcards for the LO's or the Mommies or both or whatever!!

Here is a funny link of pics of baby tshirts. Warning...may offend some so view at your own risk.  :roll:

http://leefur.blogspirit.com/album/baby_t_s/
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 17:12:18 pm
Traci - Proper mayo is made with egg yolks so it is definately safe.  I do cook alot but have 'cooking for Sophie' days and then freeze stuff.  I have a few more things rolling around in my head to make so will add those when I try them out.  Sophie also eats what eat alot of the time as I am getting braver and braver in what I feed her.  I have artwork templates I have made on the comp. so as not to fire through all my art supplies unless there is a demand and while doing these templates I have had some ideas that I am trying to organize.  I may wait and seek investor's to start an online company based out of Canada ( can't do it from here unless I am Caymanian) or I may begin with a website and see what kind of response I get.  It is slowly taking shape so I am excited but still have alot of work ahead, which I am  sure I would progress faster on if you gals weren;t so darned interesting!

Cathy - sophie does eat alot of tuna.  I asked my ped. about it and she said that tinned Albacore is better (less mercury) and as long as it isn;t everyday (which is the same rule for adults as well, I think).  Living here and knowing suppliers/fisherman through managing reataurants i can get fresh tuna and other fish very cheap and then freeze it so I am lucky that way.  Sophie has not reacted to anything I feed her yet but I wouldn;t suspect she would as neither myself or DH have allergies or family history of allergies.

Nikki - can you buy gluten free oats?  It says on basic oats that it could have been in contact with wheat and other grains that have gluten so I thought maybe you would be able to get oats that haven't been.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 17:25:11 pm
I posted at the same time as ANkie and Michelle!

Ankie - Well Done on the night, she is getting there already-way to go!!

Michelle - I second the WTH on a daycare that can't manage a child with an egg and dairy allergy!  I lucked out living here in that it is affordable and realistic to have a nanny.

Naomi - I forgot to say earlier, well done Jay!!

Oh and I am all for sending out b'day cards and postcards for the LO's.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 18:20:45 pm
Yummy Pancakes!!! You girls are making me hungry.  Must take a trip to the staff room to see what awful foods are lurking there :)

LOL at the Ken pic...

Jo not sick of you at all...in fact it's been nice to see you so much lately.  So cute about the BW swim lesson.

Yeah for Jay and counting!

Richelee, thanks for the foods list and cute Sophie movement description.

I have been repeating the serenity prayer over and over in my head these last few days....even though I am not particularly religious, I do find this prayer to be incredibly helpful and useful..
With daycare/work etc...I just cannot control everything and I really need to choose my battles etc.  I did talk to Amy about Oking food with me before she gives them to Sophie...I think she felt pretty bad, was kind of embarassed too.  That was good, she knew she shouldn't have done it.  Anyhow...
I am off to change the things I can accept the things I can't and go find some chocolate to help me have the energy (wisdom) to know the difference :)

Later Ladies.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 10, 2006, 18:39:04 pm
Richelle: We were surprised that Carter had allergies too as no one in either Dh's or my family has any allergies what so ever.  I guess that doesn't always determine what our lo's will have.  I never would have known he had allergies if I hadn't had that bloodwork done for his lack of pooping.  Don't know if that is a good thing or not  :roll:   Your artwork/company/website sounds very interesting!  Can't wait to see it!

Michelle:  Dh told me about those shirts before ... they are pretty funny although nothing I would ever put on my child or want to see on someone elses.  When Carter was little, DH's sister bought him a hat that said Boobman!!  He wore whenever Dh got him dressed.  Surprisingly, all the older ladies thought it was hilarious!!!

Well, off to put Carter down for nap #2 then off to the ped's.  I'm hoping DH will get hoem to actually come with me.

Oh ya ... I am in on the card thing!  Just need birthdates etc.  I think we should all post more pics too!  It's fun to see everybody's baby shots!  We could always post pics of our houses/places we live instead of postcards too ... cheaper that way!  Just my opinion though!!!  I'll do it either way you girls want!!!   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 18:49:17 pm
Boobman  hee hee...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 10, 2006, 19:12:05 pm
Hi ladies!
This teacher I used to work with teachers a stroller-aerobics class that I finally went to this morning and OMG am I sore already - tomorrow might not be so fun!  Wow, am I out of shape, although doing lunges through the entire second floor of the mall would have gotten to me even when I was in shape I think.  Oh well, I'm excited I actually got some exercise!

Richelle - thanks for the list.  Looking forward to making some of it,

Jo - I'm totally with you on the daycare/sleeping thing - I would much rather Katie not sleep than CIO.  They do rock her nearly to sleep there - probably rock her all the way to sleep on occassion, but she is ok the other days she's at home with me. 

Michelle - LOL at those shirts - wouldn't ever put them on a child I knew though!

Cathy - LOL at Boobman. 

I'm good with birthday cards if everyone wants to do them.  I'd be up for taking a picture of our house/street to send to everyone else with it as well - could send postcards, but I think so many of the ones I would find around here would be New York City, and the city is really different from where I live.  Whatever everyone else wants to do. 

Katie is fast asleep having skipped her nap this morning when we were at the mall - so today seems like it will turn into a one nap day - hope it's a long one or bedtime is going to be no fun.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 19:59:08 pm
Ankie-it does sound like she's getting it.  Be patient, be consistent.  I know it must be sooooo very hard knowing you're going on something like 2.5 or 3 months or something but keep it up, I think she'll surprise you soon!  As for the 8pm bedtime, could you start bedtime 15 min. earlier so that it doesn't end that late?

Cathy-I will PM you something my friend sent me.  She also said I could give her your email and she'll forward you any recipes/info she gets.

Richelle-Allergies aren't hereditary.  At least that's what I'd heard.  I totally thought they were, but apparently not :roll:  And i was so excited about the fingerfood that I forgot to LOL at Sophies mode of transport.  too funny. 

Erin-good luck with your night.  btw, Cole has been sucking on his index finger too...It will be interesting for me to see if his next bout of teething causes night wakings.  I want to know whether he really was in pain all that time or if I just APed him into waking at night.

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I did talk to Amy about Oking food with me before she gives them to Sophie...I think she felt pretty bad, was kind of embarassed too
hannah-what did i miss?  what did amy give to sophie?

Naomi-YAY for Jay counting to 4.  your kiddies are changing by leaps and bounds this week :D

where is judy?  you okay hon?  how's the strep?

Holly had another rough night.  I sent your hugs.  She sooo misses all of us.  Brady actually settled by himself in 5 minutes at 7:30 and not a peep until 11:30, resettled after 20 min.  then woke at 1:00 and was up until 6:30 :shock:  soooo, i don't think it's independant sleep for him.  Must have to do with reflux or something else.  she was pretty sure he didn't have to eat, but now she's not so sure.  she might try a feed tonight if his early evening is the same...she's wondering about the 9 month growth spurt.

k, i gotta get off here and do some stuff around the house.  it's a disaster and i keep putting stuff off.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 20:08:47 pm
Traci,
I must have mentioned it at chat??  Anyhow, she took the kids to the grocery store and wanted to get Sophie a "treat" so she got her some baby food custard...not a big deal, just not something she has had before and not something I would probably choose to give her just because of the sugar.  I realize that she will have loads of sugar at some point but I figure at least while I "control" her food intake I like to limit her sugar so she doesn't get a taste for it (if that's possible with a mom like me).

That was it.
Thanks for asking...

Hmmm....I seem to have a lot of time to visit with you girls today...hmmm...

Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 10, 2006, 20:16:03 pm
oh okay, i left chat early cause my friend was over....

oops, i'm supposed to be cleaning but i had to pop over to naps and here i am back with you girlies...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 10, 2006, 20:33:56 pm
ok, trying Traci's idea of having 2 windows open, see if that makes reading/typing easier..... here goes.

Karen, would love those recipes and the meal planner by Annnabel Karmel. I'm going to buy her book in Auckland, but they have to order it here and I"m not sure which one to get the Superfoods one looked good on the website. I'll give the curry a go today. Sorry I chose/told Nikki the wrong DH for you from the photos  :oops:

Daniel's 9 months old today so his birthday is 11 April 2005.

Richelle, thanks for the finger foods, look good, I'll have to try some today. I think I'll try whole milk in eggs instead of formula, maybe that's why Daniel won't eat eggs.

Just put Daniel down for his first nap and I plan on cooking up a storm for him thismorning. DH is home until 3pm today as he's night flying, so at least he can help out with Daniel if I haven't finished cooking by the end of his nap. I should have though, all going well. Hey, I might even make it down to the gym. We'll see.

Right, better go then, kitchen to clean up before I make more mess.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 21:27:38 pm
Happy 9 months to Daniel (and Sophie tomorrow?:) ) They have the same birthday :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 10, 2006, 22:14:48 pm
Hey, there.  Well, we've had a bugger of an afternoon over here.  Ryan took a 2 hour am nap  :roll:  since Mummy fell asleep too  :D .  Then, we ran errands and all that.  Kept him up until almost 3 hours (didn't seem tired due to long am nap) and he fought me until he had been up for over 4 hours!   :shock:   His usual is 2.5 hours between naps.   :?   I'm just sure he'll give me a 45 minute nap...which is fine, but so frustrating when you work nearly twice as long to get it.  *sigh*

Ankie, that sounds like a better night to me.  Keep it up!  Think I'll have my afternoon snack when Ryan eats his dinner (an hour before dh gets home, so we can't all eat together  :( ).  Hey, any excuse to eat, right?   :lol:

(Okay, I am a bit stressed/frazzled from the nap fight and apparently am compensating with a gazillion emoticons...sorry!)

On another bummer of a note, I think I'll have to bow out of the b-day cards/postcards, due to busy-ness and lack of cash.   :cry:   I'd feel really guilty if you all sent Ryan cards and I didn't return the favor, so no worries about us.  I know how much you all love me even without the cards.  I mean, really, who wouldn't love the person who is on here night and day spouting off like an expert?   :lol:   I love the ideas of posting pics of our houses and areas, though. 

Happy 9 months to Daniel and Sophie!  Which Sophie is it, btw?  The tickers are all messed up.  (Probably not Hannah's as she put a  :?:.  Duh!) 

So glad to hear about Lisa and the swim lesson.  How cute is that?   :)   Can't wait to hear from her soon! 

Richelle, thanks for the recipes!  I saved them right into my recipe file on the computer so I don't have to look back.  You are an amazing lady to do all that and start a business.  Color me impressed!  Can't wait to try some of them soon.   :)

Erin, so jealous of the stroller-cize.  Ours at the Y is right in the middle of Ryan's nap.  I did go back to my early am aerobics/weights for the first time in 2 weeks.  Yikes!  I'll be sore in a few hours I am sure. 

Michelle, don't be embarrassed that you don't know about the US/Cuba thing for two reasons:  1.)  You are neither American or Cuban  2.)  I don't even know the deal that well.  I think it's due to their Communist government.  We really get a bug up our butts about that one.   :wink:

Well, we've gotten to the 40 minute mark, ladies.  Keep all your parts crossed!!!
Lots of love and hugs and hoping you don't think I am the evil party pooper due to the card drop-out!   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 10, 2006, 22:22:57 pm
It is actually my SOphie btw...saying HBD to my own kids :) :oops:
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 10, 2006, 22:59:17 pm
Michelle:  I keep meaning to say that I am a half hour flight from Cuba and before Sophie that was the 'weekend' place, I call it the lake  :wink: !  Sorry, maybe it is a Saskatchewan thing to go to the lake on the weekend but that is my joke amd I am sticking to it!  Anywho - we will be soooo close but sooo far!!

Happy 9 months to Sophie and Daniel!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 11, 2006, 00:12:59 am
Hey girls!  We're back into routine today with DH back at work...I've been a bit BWed out, so good to have other things to keep me busy (not that I don't love you all, but you know  :wink: ).

Well Miss D seems to think getting up at 5.15am is now the go!  And it's getting darker now in the mornings, so much less appealing.  Nathan had another rough night, I can't figure this kid out.  :? 

As much as I would love to receive cards from you all, I'd feel really bad not doing it in return and unfortunately it will be really costly for me and we're on a bit of a tight budget.  :(  I'm keen to share pics of the house or whatever else - you know; the lounge, where we all sit and have a coffee or wine together!  Not to mention the lovely view off my deck out to the hills.  :wink: 

Thanks for that finger food attachment, will have to check that out later.

Has anyone tried baked beans?  I've been doing them with Danielle and she loves them. 

Ummm, what else....oh yeah, Danielle's 2nd tooth is about to cut, all very exciting....someone was asking about Nathan and oats and what the deal is with him?  Sorry, I can't view back too far and I'm on slow dial up: He has coeliac disease which isn't actually an allergy, it's a genetic auto-immune disease - so it gets called an intolerance, but really it means he needs to be 100% gluten free (found in wheat based products, barley, malt, oats etc - kind of limited in a lot of foods, but it's actually no biggie on a day to day basis, just social events suck big time) for life for it to not continually damage his body (repeatedly exposing him to it can increase the chances of bowel ? cancer), it could also mean stunted growth if the food isn't being absorbed which can start to happen with just a few crumbs of gluten containing food.  Oats:  I don't think there are gf oats, it's controversial as to whether they are a problem or not, but it's assumed not to use them at least at the start of the diet.

Anyone else who's still breastfeeding finding their boobs have shrunk recently?  :x
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 11, 2006, 00:23:37 am
hey girls....I was just wondering about the card thingy, mainly cuz I got myself an Anne Geddes birthday calendar.
I roughly know what is going on with everyone, I try to keep up at work.
At times I feel a little lost on here as it is so long between my posts..some days to be honest i can't keep up.
Thanks for the compliments on the kids girls....it is looking like Jay loves to do art work at his daycare, we have the front of the fridge decorated in things he has done there...makes me so proud to see how well he is doing there...it is a lot of cash to hand over....it is $230 a week for the two of them, jay is $130 a week, we ger reciepts for him, but not for Ri, as the lady who has her takes in kids to top up her pension..
Riley is chugging away on her solid foods here, she likes mandarin oranges, peaches and pears all diced up for fruit, I cheat for her meat meals, and get her the 12mth toddler food from heinz, she has eaten veggie burgers, can't get  her to slow down on those, oh and also I foung these fries with the skins on. made by macain....soooo nice, has so much more flavour than the ones without the skins on....
k...I am up for now, I will try to pop in in the morning and see how many pages you fine ladies added on tonight :lol:  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 11, 2006, 00:24:17 am
now that you mention it nikki...i think they have :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 11, 2006, 00:41:47 am
me too nikki, I thought it was just me slimming down a little....I am not complaining, man those suckers got HUGE :shock:  :shock:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 11, 2006, 00:49:10 am
Naomi, I've just noticed that you're a "mum" not a "mom" - have you said in the past that you're British?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 11, 2006, 00:55:27 am
I'm here!! :)  I can't believe I've been away from this thread for LESS than 24hrs and you gals have chatted up SIX pages!! Crazy!

Nikki I noticed yesterday afternoon I managed to put on a t-shirt that was previously too tight.  It could be because it was later in the day though not sure.  Gosh I hope the boobs are shrinkig I hate these big things!

I had another thought on the 'thank you' stuff... I've noticed at young children's birthdays and such that when they get a gift they love they are all excited about it - you can see it on their face and then when they are told to say Thank You *some* children just loose all that excitement and it feels awkward for me too.  Just something I've noticed.

Can't remember who mentioned they were giving bites of orange and pcs of cantelope.  Kaia and Hannah LOVE cantelope - it's the only thing they eat so far where they are happy the whole time eating it.  And today at lunch they were making noise at my orange so I gave them some of the fleshy part and they were THRILLEd with it.  Didn't give too much orange though.  But the cantelope is a huge hit - AND Zoe's now on to it too - she used to hate it!! Nice to have a new fruit for her to eat.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 11, 2006, 01:45:45 am
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I think it's due to their Communist government. We really get a bug up our butts about that one. 
Kate, I laughed for about 5 minutes after reading this.  Ain't it the truth?  When Katie takes long morning naps these days, I find that getting her down for her afternoon nap is just about impossible - she always goes down late and doesn't nap for longer than 45 minutes just about ever.  OMG I am SO sore from the stroller class. 

Nikki - Thanks for your answers to my various questions - roughly 5 pages ago, things go so fast around here.  I know who you mean - Rod Stewart's former wife - can't remember the name - will have to listen to her speak the next time I see her on tv or something.  I also think you may be right about Katie's jaw just shifting around right now.  And my boobs are smaller too, though they shrunk a bit when I dropped to feeding twice a day.  Oh and I thought of you today as I was cooking my dinner and one of the packages that I was using said "gluten free".

Hi Naomi - glad to hear the kids are doing well!

Happy 9 months Sophie and Daniel!!  :D

About the cards - I've got a thought - what if we type up something and put some pictures of where we are on it and email it to each other as an attachment.  That way it wouldn't cost anything and those of you who are "keepers" can print it out if you like and save it.  (For me, Katie's lucky she has a baby book, scrapbooking is just not my thing.)  To be honest, I was thinking homemade anyway when we were doing cards, as buying all those cards was way more money than I wanted to be giving the card store!  (Am I explaining myself well, I'm not so sure?)

Oh and whoever pointed out that oranges usually come in syrup, thanks for that.  Just realized that the mandarins that I bought are floating in sugar.  I'm so happy you're all here  :D   I made Katie dinner tonight - no parts of it came out of a jar - to be quite honest, I don't think I ever realized normal people cooked food for their babies instead of feeding jarred.  Apparently I've led some sort of sheltered life. 

OK, I will stop monopolizing now.  DH is away for 2 more days - been gone since Sunday morning *sigh* - hats off to you ladies (Micky, Hayley) who regularly deal with missing DHs.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 11, 2006, 02:01:16 am
one more post before I go to bed, it may be a late night tonight, alexander with colin farrell in it is on...mmmmmmmmm
Nikki, I was born and raised in the uk...
for som reason I wanted to pop on and add that on.....nighty night girls
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 02:32:09 am
I'm back, girls. I've been offline all day as our connection was down. It was KILLING me...but we're up again, so here I am. A lot to catch up on, so I won't comment on everything. Sorry to those you are "neglected."

Liv did the cutest thing today, I just have to share. She was playing with her blocks, and she got one on down off her Little People Barn, so I said "yeah!!!" She started to clap, but realized that she had the block in her hands, so she put it down, then turned to me, smiled and clapped. What a smart girl I have!!

MICHELLE--don't worry, I don't really know what the whole USA/Cuba thing is either...and I live here! How sad is that?!?! I think I know what you're talking about with Molly's lovey. That's what Liv has...a blanket with a teddy bear head attached. She likes to play with it when she wakes up but so far, hasn't used it to fall asleep.

KAREN--Yes, feel free to add me to the list. I will PM you the info.

RICHELLE--THanks for the list. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but I'm sure I'll use it!

ANKIE--way to go! Sounds like you may be "rounding the corner" on the sleep thing.

MICKEY--thanks for the lovey advice (and everyone else). I think I'll just keep giving it to her and see if she picks up on it.

JUDY--you are too funny! And I thought the same thing at Michelle's Size 5 post....sorry, Michelle! But, Judy, I've got to say you and your "size 9" self aren't much better! LOL Let's just say I was a size 10 BEFORE I got pregnant.

TRACI & CATHY---yeah!! for the good nights. Hope they continue!!!

HANNAH--I'm with you on the sugar thing...I've not given Liv anything with sugar yet  either. I figure, I should control it while I can!!!

Happy Birthday Daniel and Sophie!!!!!!

I'm also up for sending cards to whomever is too busy to send them out. I don't want to exclude anyone just because they have so much responsibility.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 11, 2006, 02:44:55 am
Hey girls,

Cole had 2 x 1.5 hour naps today.  Second one ended at 3:30 and I got him to bed by 7.  He played for 5 min, cried a couple of min. i went in a PD and he mmmmmmmmmmd and went to sleep.  I've heard him a couple of times since but no real wakings...just shifting around and stuff. It's been 2.5 hours.

I'll be gone all day tomorrow.  Heading across the city to see my parents and a friend.  My friend had her second DC Sept. 1 and would you believe I haven't met him yet?  The timing just hasn't been right every time I've been in town.  It's a 45 min. drive in good traffic :roll: Unfortunately that means Cole will have both naps in the car.  It would be too late if I left after nap 1 and if he has nap 2 at her house then I'd be driving home in rush hour...and that would NOT be fun at all.

so, you'll have to do without me tomorrow until about 7 or so when he goes down. 

as for the cards...i think i'll be doing homemade too.  in fact, i already have some that might be okay.  My future SIL and I tried to start up a card company but our first show didn't go well, and then we got busy.  She bought a major fixer upper house and we had cole. soooo, we might start it up again in the fall, we'll see.

have a good one tomorrow.  don't talk about anything good.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 11, 2006, 02:51:44 am
Hannah, I wasn't meaning you shouldn't say happy b-day to your Sophie.   :oops:   It's just that there was a  :?:  so I was thinking you were guessing at the other Sophie's bday.  Sorry!  In fact, I'll say happy 10 month b-day to Ryan tomorrow!  That's right, people.  We almost have double digits over here.  Yahooo!  (Or at least my tomorrow, the 11th, which is many of your yesterday as Daniel's b-day on the 11th was  tomorrow for me...hmmm.  Too confusing!) 
My boobs are still gigantors.   :(   We'll see what happens, though, as I"ve stopped pumping at 10 pm every night and we move to 3 feeds in the next few weeks.
Naomi, sorry you're feeling lost.  We love you lots and lots! Way to go Jay!!!
Right, off to check the Getting Back on Track board.  This is the cushiest mod job ever.  I posted on Sunday afternoon and no one had posted again until this afternoon.   :)   (Sorry nap ladies!)  Although I do love the title, "Super Mod" as I have made up a song and dance (which involves some high, karate kicks) and sing it to dh whenever he makes fun of me for checking that thread.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 11, 2006, 03:34:03 am
What?  Now you're going to MAKE cards?  Holy cow!!!  You ladies are too organized.  Actually I love scrapbooking and the like - I'm just oh, 250 pictures behind :oops:  Actually more than that but I've only developed that many so far!! :) 

Traci it sounds like Cole is just right back on track.  Way to go!!! :)

Kaia nearly fell asleep eating her supper tonight.  Actually she was asleep, then moved, opened eyes just slightly and opened her mouth for what turned out to be her finger but I thought it was for a bit of cereal so snuck it in and well - that woke her up and ticked her right off!! :oops:

Ankie was it you asking about the noisy mealtimes?  No, you agreed on it, it was Micky right?  no?  Anyway, since then I've come to realize that our mealtimes here are REALLY noisy.  Lots of fussing.  It's definitely not the happy time it was for my older two.  I think K&H are just put out that I'm not holding them for such a long time!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 11, 2006, 03:48:06 am
Judy... I really don't remember... mealtimes are noisy here because DH and I yell to compete with Arwyn so that she will be quiet :shock: . Sounds silly but it works. She thinks it is funny that we are yelling just as loud as she is and then stops. My little miss though, is very demanding. Yesterday, we were all eating... she wasn't finished but DH and I were so... we sat and waited for her to finish. Today, she was finished before us and holy smokes! Sheesh... you would think we were torturing her by making her sit in her highchair a few more minutes.

Ladies... 9 minutes! to put her down tonight. 2 PDs and I still had to pat but what a difference from the 47 min. and 50 min. of the last two days!!

Sorry... no time to comment... gotta go to yoga tonight. Catch up with you all tomorrow!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 03:56:41 am
Hi there, Daniel's just gone up to the tv and started tapping it, so I figure he wanted to watch BE so I could post on here. Isn't that thoughtful of him?!  :wink:

What is it with you creative types? Are some of you the school teachers aswell? I love doing that kind of thing, but can't come up with the ideas.

Traci, that's great news. We all knew Cole and you could do it. I vote you win the mummy award for the week, but next week you might have to hand it over to Ankie..... here's hoping for Ankie anyway  :wink:

Judy, I think it was me who originally asked if anyone else has tears at dinner. Hopefully you're not getting tears aswell, just fussing. I'm hoping Daniel dinner time in 10 mins will be tear-less this time. I've cooked a couple of Karen's recipes today that I'm going to try on him today. Mmmm 'on' could be quite an appropriate word depending how it goes. :oops:

Happy birthday to Ryan..... yep, confusing, but I got there in the end.

And Sophie too, happy birthday. Wow, won't be long and we'll be doing the 1 year thing. We'll have to start thinking about what we're going to do so. Ofcourse, you're all invited to our party, if you can make it. If not, I quite understand....

Liv, you're up there with the clever ones. Must come from your mummy!

Judy, what's cantelope? Sounds a bit like a 4 legged animal to me, oh that's an antelope!  :lol:

Ok, off to heat Daniel's dinner, I'm sure to be back as DH is night flying.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 03:57:51 am
OMG Ankie, you posted while I was. That's great!!!! So next week you will get the award!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 11, 2006, 03:59:55 am
No problem Kate.  I think the ? was about when her 9 month birthday actually is/was...
My goodness....the card thing...I like the email idea.  I guess I was just thinking, hey no big deal, a card every once in awhile and then...uh....d'uh! I realized all of the birthdays are within a month or so of each other...OK you can tell how well MY brain is working.  So yeah, email would be really great. 
I am loving the food ideas.  Nikki that was funny because I actually triedn baked beans for the first time tonight,  got a so-so response. 
She seems to be in a cheese phase. Cheese or anything with cheese on top is her favorite.  Hmm...
It was actually fun to sort of keep up today a little Naomi, I know hoe you feel.
Ankie....Yay!!!! Wahooo!!! and carthwheels of joy.  Hope the yoga works all the pu'pd kinks out of your back.
And yes...meal time is pretty loud here too.  Kinda drives me crazy.  She starts to yell and wave her hands around in the air and I think she's signing "all done" and then a few second later she grabs something new off of her tray...strange.
OK ladies, see you all tomorrow.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 11, 2006, 04:11:56 am
Quote from: Little Bear's Mum
Judy, what's cantelope? Sounds a bit like a 4 legged animal to me, oh that's an antelope!  :lol:

Yup it's something like that.  :)

Yes we DO get tears at mealtimes - and once the tears start (it takes VERY little to start them) it's a toss up whether any more food goes in.  Could be as innocent as sneaking in ANY food other than cereal.  Not kidding.

Hey WAY TO GO ANKIE AND ARWYN!!!! 

Hayley - you're so funny!! Ok cantelope - melon type fruit, orange on the inside often called oh is it muskmellon or mussmellon???  Something like that - brown scaly outside orange fruity flesh inside.  Very similar to a 4 legged antelope ;)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 11, 2006, 04:49:29 am
Maybe it's the same as rockmelon?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 11, 2006, 05:13:25 am
Yep!  Rockmelon.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 11, 2006, 06:04:44 am
Missed you all today. Had to go to work! In laws in town from Australia so off to lunch tomorrow so had to do a day at work today. One of my work days is flexi...why am I rambling????

Actually like the e-mail idea but Erin, what did you mean by have an e-mail thing and attach photos which we can print off. You mean like a template? Maybe Andrea's photoshop genius dh could help us out there...Maybe I imagined it wrong..

Hayley, cantalope is rockmelon.

Jo, good idea about recipes as attachment. I will have to do that tomorrow. Sorry Hayley :oops: but the unexpected day at work has thrown me off.

Must go cook dinner.
TTFN
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 06:11:40 am
Ahhhh, antelope/rockmelon, now I understand. FUnny how different places call the same thing something totally different. Who knows what you guys are thinking about when I say some words, like b@ttom, pooh, wee-s..... :wink:

Karen, no problem with the delay on recipes. I've had fun cooking today (DH is getting quite jealous of all the cooking I'm doing for Daniel). And the best bit is he like both the carot rice porridge and the chicken and corn! Yay! I have also decided he MUST be fed at 5pm, no earlier, no later.

I've got my offline coffee group coming over tomorrow, so won't be around much. All going well we're all going to go down to the swimming pool and let our LO's splash around. I hope it's a success.

Better go, DH home any minute for dinner and I haven't even started. He's only here for an hour.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 11, 2006, 07:08:27 am
Hi Everyone

Just wanted to post a pic (finally) of Fraser and I on our holiday at Christmas.

Hope this works!

Cheers
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 07:52:12 am
Lovely photo Jo. Looks like you're having a nice time cruising down the river. How wonderful.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 11, 2006, 08:57:56 am
Lovely photo Jo!  I think that's the first one I recall of you as well.

Here's my lounge, it's 10pm and as you can see it's still the same state it's been in all day, I fail to see the point in tidying up at the moment...Note my laptop balancing on the side of the couch arm, that's my possie (and ignore the dangerous wires hanging around  :roll: ).  That's only half the mess too...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 09:17:54 am
Hey cool Nikki, now I can really picture you sitting there talking with your kiwi accent to Nathan and Danielle and DH. I'll take some photos in the next day or so for you all to see.

I've just found out tonight that DH is going to be away the week before I go away and then back for 1 night only before I go.  :cry: He wants me to change to go on the Monday so we have the weekend together, but I said that I just know if I change my plans, the flights will be cancelled on the Monday and I'll be stuck here for 2 weeks without anyone. If fate has it that it's cancelled on Friday then that's fine.

Ankie & Traci I hope your night tonight goes well, I'm a little confused as to what time it is where you are, so maybe they won't be starting until I get up.  :?

Ok - really time I got to bed. Night night everyone.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 11, 2006, 13:03:59 pm
I simply had to pop on and say hi before I started work this morning....ankie way to go....congrats hunny, I hope that this is the beginning of a new trend for you....
Right back to work I go, I am at my desk, but I had to give my congrats to you hun!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 11, 2006, 13:16:57 pm
YAY ANKIE!  I'm very curious to find out what happened the rest of the night.

Great pic Jo, has he ever changed from your Avatar!

Speaking of avatars, I guess it's time to update mine.  I got Adobe Photoshop Elements 4 for christmas so I should be able to do the animated one myself!

k, just had to pop on before i head across the city.

have a great day everyone.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 11, 2006, 14:21:53 pm
Hi Everyone!

Ankie - Wow, that is great I really hope you had a good night!  Yoga?  you are a brave woman, I would have opted for bed!!

Kate - You are too funny, does your Super Mod song sound anything like the theme to Spiderman?  Also you managed to stress me out with the 'starting a company' thing, I know that is what I am hoping for but having it actually said...YIKES I had better get my arse in gear!

Nikki - Love the pic!  I had a shower last night with Sophies toys swirling around my feet so totally know what you mean about picking up, especially with 2!

Jo - I agree with Nikki - that is the first I have seen of you, hot stuff and Fraser is a darling, gorgeous eyes, are they brown?

Have fun today Traci!

I'm attaching a few pic's of our lounge, yard and Sophie.  I am getting our area rug and sofa cleaned today so I thought I should take a pic to see if I will see a difference!!

Must run Sophie is stuck under the couch again...


(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Sophiesma/LR.jpg)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Sophiesma/clap.jpg)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Sophiesma/BG.jpg)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Sophiesma/DSCF1351.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 11, 2006, 15:04:28 pm
Awesome pics!!  Richelle I'm jealous of your tidy home!!!  You can see floor!  How neat is that?  And Sophie's a doll eh?

Love the pic of Fraser and you Jo!  He's getting so much hair it hangs out of his hat!!  Yay!! :)

A laptop Nikki!  Cool - very convenient.  I'm like you - sometimes I can't be bothered to clean up the mess - by the time it's all clean I'm going to bed and by the time the sun is up and I can SEE in the house it's a disaster again so I never get to enjoy the fruits of my labour as they say.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 15:36:28 pm
Love the pics NIKKI and RICHELLE!!!

I'll have to post some soon.

TRACI--have fun visiting your friend, and hope Cole's night went well.

KATE--LOL at your dance with the high karate kicks. Sounds like something I would do. And Happy Birthday, Ryan!!!

HAYLEY--how considerate of Daniel to watch BE and let you post! Talk about advanced!!!

ANKIE--way to go!!! We knew you could do it. Hope it only gets better from here.

JO--beautiful photo, you hotty mama you!!!

I'm all for the e-mail card thing, or the post, or whatever, just let me know.

Has anyone else noticed that their LOs are starting to "communicate" more? I love it!! Whenever I say, "Yeah!!!" Live will drop whatever she's doing and clap with sheer enhusiasm. And if I say, "Ta-da!!" She'll throw both her hands in the air. (Same as "all done" so a bit confusing. I didn't try to teach "ta-da" she must have picked it up on her own, because I say it a lot when she's getting dressed, etc.) She doesn't really have the "all done" concept down. She knows the sign, but she waits for me to say it. When I know she's done eating, I'll say, "Are we all done?" Then she'll throw her hands in the air. Or sometimes if I ask it and do the sign, she'll just clap like, "Yeah! Mommy you know how to do 'all done!'" *Sigh* Maybe she's not the genius I thought she was.  :lol:

Gotta run...must get groceries.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 11, 2006, 16:13:26 pm
Quote from: Sophiesma
Also you managed to stress me out with the 'starting a company' thing, I know that is what I am hoping for but having it actually said...YIKES I had better get my !@!@ in gear!

 :oops: Sorry!  No stress intended, just impressed that you've gotten ANYthing done besides mommy-ing. 

Jo, Fraser (and his momma) is gorgeous!

Go, Ankie!  Go, Ankie!  It's your birthday!  Eat a pickle!  (Not sure why that is the last line, but that's how we always sing it).  Are you beginning to see the light?  Keep it up, girl!!!

Hayley, good luck figuring out the travel stuff.  So jealous of you and Karen getting together.  Take pics, okay?

Big event of the day so far is that Ryan split his lip.   :cry:   He was chewing on a table (a favorite pasttime) and slipped and bloodied his upper lip.  We washed it out and gave him a wet washcloth to suck on and he was happy again.  Seeing your child's blood is NOT a good way to start your morning.   :(   But, seeing as he got over it in about a minute, I guess I should try to get over it too, right? 

Loved the pics so far, so I'll include a few of my own.  One of Ryan and I on Mother's Day outside our house (notice the address black out...way paranoid mom!).  One of the living room after Christmas.  It's not usually this messy and this wasn't even all of his gifts.   :roll:    And one of the Arch, St. Louis's biggest landmark and surely the subject of any postcard I would have sent.

Have a great day/night, all!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 11, 2006, 16:57:58 pm
I am a terrible Babywhisperer... Arwyn was up at 10:55 (DH), 1:06 (1 PD and lots of patting and singing & asleep in 9 minutes) 3:30 (70 minutes of PD and patting and singing gave up and fed her because I was soooooo annoyed) up at 8 am. Now, my whole day is wrecked because I plan the day around her pretty consistent naps and now... she has to go down at the exact time I am supposed to be at a friend's house. :roll:

Again... makes me want to swear. Also, this is the first time ever, that I felt like just leaving her there to cry. I left the room and counted to 100... she was still screaming her head off. I think at that point, I tried PD for another 15 minutes and then held her and fed her as she was hysterical. The sheets were soaked through with tears, the blanket I put down to cover it was soaked and I ended up just folding up the edge of that blanket to cover it up before I put her down. :oops:

So much for the yoga :roll: .

Richelle... beautiful house you have there... can I move in? without Arwyn? I'll help you with the business... please??

Jo... you look like you are having a great time on your holiday!

Hayley... after last night, I don't get the mommy of the week award. Just hoping that I will get sleep soon.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 11, 2006, 17:15:29 pm
I love all the pics!!!

Kate - Carter split his lip open a few months ago (he fell onto one of his toys) and it swelled up in no time at all!!  I remember trying to feed him his lunch (I couldn't see that he had hurt his lip yet) and when he opened his mouth it was FULL of blood!!!  That totally freaked me out.  He wasn't even crying.  I did take pics of the swollen lip but am too ashamed to show them.  Poor baby!  Dh says to me "I am so disappointed in you"  :oops:  :shock:  right after it happened like it was my fault he fell.  I guess if I had of been watching him closer.  Anyway, he fell 2 days later on DH's watch ... SO THERE!!!!

Ankie - COngrats on the better night!!  I think you will get her all straightened out by the weekend at the rate you are going!!!  I'm jealous of getting out of the house to go to yoga!!!  The only yoga I get to do is in the middle of the night, crib side while I wait for Carter to finally go back to sleep!!!

Jo - What a cutie Fraser is!!!  I love the background of the pic!  Nothing like polluted old Windsor!!

RIchelle - I LOVE your yard!  Can I come vacation at your house???  :D

Nancy - I know what you mean about the lo's learning so much.  Carter recently learned to clap and wave ... ummm kinda!  He gets so excited when he is trying to clap that he starts waving his arms really big and slapping himself on the side of his head by his ears!!   :D  It's pretty funny to see!!  As for waving ... he will throw out his hand and say "Ahhh"  really loudly.  He doesn't move his hand or arm at all, just sticks it out and then drops it.  He is very proud of himself though ... as we are!!  He is starting to learn some words though.  The first thing he ever recognized was if I said "Where's Boss? (our dog)".  He would look around the whole house until he found him then start laughing hysterically.  I'm sure Boss will be his first word!!!

Well girls I need some advice!!  I went to the ped yesterday and he said that if Carter won't take formula to try rice milk or soy milk instead as he is almost a year anyway.  So, I have no idea which one to try!  Any ideas?  I was thinking of trying soy because of the protein content but maybe rice would taste better.  Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Also, should I intro it in a bottle or a sippy cup.  He loves his sippy but so far has only ever had water in it.  He is also a very "sucky" baby and has always been one of those babies that likes to suck on stuff (actually gets "sucking blisters" on his top lip every few weeks since he was born).  So, maybe I should give it in a bottle.  He does take a bottle very well.  But then I would eventually have to switch to a sippy or a cup anyway ...  :roll:   Help me PLEASE!!!!

Ok ... what else .. oh yes - pics!!  I remember someone posting a pic of their lo's nursery a while ago (I am pretty sure it was one of us on this thread and not somewhere else).  The nursery was gorgeus ... if I remember correctly it was colors like green, red, and cream in a really cool pattern of squares or lines????  It keeps popping my head that it was Taylor's room but I can't remember!!!  Anyway, I would love to see it again if possible as a friend of mine was talking about doing something similar and I told her all about this room that I saw!!!
I would love to see everyone's pics of their lo's room!!!  I think we should all post some!!!  :D  I will have to dig Carter's room pics out!!

Have a great day everyone!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 11, 2006, 17:19:25 pm
ANkie - you posted while I posted!  Let me change what I said ...  Sorry about the crappy night  :(   I hope that you can get her straightened out by the weekend so you can get lots of sleep.  It has got to get better soon!  DOn't worry ... you will definitely get the Mommy of the Week award for putting up with all this!  I would have snapped and felt like leaving her to cry it out ... oh .. about 2 weeks ago so you are doing GREAT!!!!  Sending HUGE hugs your way!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 18:09:22 pm
hey ladies,

not a lot of time to catch up as must straighten up the house before mom gets here.  if she catches the house in disarray she kinda gives me this look like "can't you get it together?"   :roll:  I know, I know, almost 30 years old and still seeking moms approval!   :lol:

Anyhow, speaking of businesses...we had a major set back yesterday.  I contacted our lawyer and turns out that the golf company Taylor Made has a trademark for the name which includes clothing, which means we can't use the name since we are making clothing.  If we do, and they find out they can sue the pants off of us!   :shock:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: so now we have to find a new name!  We already had our business cards printed out too!  Also, the boys line is complete!   :D  Now I jsut have to finish the girls line but am having some mental blocks!  How strange is that, since I have a girl you'd think I'd be full of ideas!

Richelle-thanks for the recipes!!  This mornign I made the sweet eggy toast, or french toast as we like to call it!  I even made some for us sans the breast milk  :lol:
Karen-would you consider if you had time making a list of recipes and attaching as a document?  I know you're busy with work, so only if you happen to have any "spare time"   :lol:

Ankie, sorry for the crappy night.  I don't know what to say.  Is her anal fissure all healed up?  Can't think of what is causing this.  And you guys had made some progress too  :(

Love the house pics.  Maybe I'll post some too.

BTW, since you all loved the photoshopped pics from DH, here is a link to his website to see some really hilarious ones.  Just click on the link that says photoshopped
http://www.ahdfx.com/photography/
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 11, 2006, 18:09:44 pm
Beautiful pics you all.  Fun stuff, I'll join in this weekend. 
Kate...ROTFLMAO at the super mod/high kicks song and dance...and the eat a pickle.  I love that.
Ankie majorly big hugs to you.  Don't know if this will do any cheering up but I talked to dh and he is totally game for meeting up with you Arwyn and dh in Seattle or down here if you are up for the drive...probably not, as you will have already driven quite a ways to get to Seattle.  ANyhow. It will be fun to get together.
More from me later.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 11, 2006, 18:11:14 pm
Hi Ladies!!

OMG I've missed you guys.  No time to catch up right now, about to fly out the door but wanted to pop in and say, "Hayyyy"

Lots of stress over the new house and financing.  That I can handle but WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY ANGEL BABY?  If one of you guys is trying to play a cruel joke, I know you know where I live.  Somebodys switched my kid haven't they. :cry:

We've figured out the PD doesn't work for us, too much of a power issue.  If Sol's freekin and doesn't want to lie down, I know let him stand and he falls down when he's ready.  Someone, mostly DH, has to stay in the room with him for 10-15 mins until he transitions. Just like at 4 months.

He's now completely weened and decided this on his own.  I must say it's nice to have my bady back.  My boobs aren't even that big and stopped hurting after the 3 day. 

I'll catch up on the last 5 pages later but for now,
Happy Birthdays, Way to go on any extended naps!  Yipee for any easy bedtime routines and Big {{{{HUGS}}}} to anyone dealing with DHs, ILs or incredible whiney baby syndrom!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 18:59:30 pm
KATE--Sorry to hear about Ryans lip. Not looking forward to our first blood. Cool pics, thanks for sharing! I love the arch. DH is originally from St. Louis and we went there a few years ago for a short vacation and did all the touristy things....the arch, the zoo, the science museum, etc. It was a blast. I understand your paranoia, too. (I prefere the term "cautious.") I think I've finally conviced DH that you're not a bunch of baby-stealers. He's still not comfortable with me posting pics, but I do anyway. If you're ever down in the Ozarks, we should get together! If all the Canadians and New Zealanders can do it, why not us Missourians?

ANKIE-- ((((((HUGS!!!!)))) And we all thought you were so close. Don't give up though, one rough night doesn't mean you've lost everything you've done. And if she slept from 3:30 to 8:00 that's pretty good, right? You so deserve a break! Wish I could be there to let you sleep.

CATHY--Olivia already says "Wa! Wa!" (almost like "woof") when our dog, Chester is barking. Or sometimes if he's just laying there and she wants him to do something, she'll say it. She'll probably think that's his name! I'm sorry, I don't have any advice on the soy vs. rice milk. I'm not that familiar with either. I hope someone else can offer some help.

ANDREA--those pics are hilarious! Too funny! Did DH do all of those?

Welcome back ROZ! Sorry you're having sleep issues. Could it be the new environment? (Are you in your new house yet...I coudn't remember, sorry!!)

Gotta go fix my munchkin some lunch.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 11, 2006, 19:12:59 pm
Morning, great to see some more photos, keep em coming.

Kate, ouchie for Ryan. I hope he's better soon.

Ankie, I'm sure you'll get the reward sometime soon.  :cry:  :D

Carter is just too clever! Isn't it amazing realising they do understand stuff already.

Roz, it wasn't me ok? But I'll have a look in our direction and see if I can find Sol. The good sleeping Sol didn't slip into one of our cards instead of a photo I hope.  :wink:

Gotta go, someone wants to play.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 11, 2006, 19:30:59 pm
Kate - great pic's!  Poor you and Ryan, I know how you feel!!  Will expand on my horror story in a moment.

Roz - I'm sure the house and financing will sort out.  Why does that bank always have that stress factor attached to it?  I hope Sol sorts himself out too, sounds maybe like SA?  I'm sure he will be back to himself soon!

Nancy - Too funny about Liv 'barking', that must be adorable!

Ankie - HUGS, isn't this the 3rd day?  Tracy says there is always a regression on the 3rd day, I know if you keep at ti it will sort out soon.  You are not leaving her to cry if you are right there, she is just frustrated and learning is hard work so of course she is going to cry but you are a wonderful mommy.  Of course you can come and live with me maybe my DH and sophie can go and stay with your DH and Arwyn and we will become swining bacholorettes!!

i forgot who else asked if they could come on holiday here and it just reminded me that it has been far too long since I have had a 'girls day' by the pool, wish you could all come!

So our big news of the day, I TRIPPED AND FELL ON OUR FRONT STEP HOLDING SOPHIE!!  I was having the couches and rug cleaned so the guys had the big hoses coming through the front door and I had to run to the bank so I was going out the door and tripped and started to fly.  Something else took over my brain, I somehow managed to twist around and hang on to Sophie.  I managed to twist my knee and ankle and I smashed my head on the concrete as I landed on my back.  Sophie eneded up getting a scratch on her arm and head from the screen door but holy he!! it could have been ALOT worse.  I am in pain now and feel like I am getting stiff, not to mention the goose egg!!  Fortunately I am very gifted at injuring myself so not to worry - it happens alot, I am just so glad Sophie is OK, could you imagine if I had let go of her? 

Anywho, I'm off to have a valium....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 11, 2006, 20:00:40 pm
OMG Richelle...I am so glad you are ok (basically) and that Sophie is ok.  I can't tell you how many close calls I have had with that.  I am a total clutz. 
Hope you are feeling better soon.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 11, 2006, 20:01:52 pm
OMG Richelle, how scary!!! Well done for having the presence of mind to roll. I would have just fallen flat on my face and landed on Sam!!! Oh gorgeous house. I will have to post a pic of ours soon.

Kate, BIG OUCH for Ryan!!! I gave Sam a pot to play with 2 days ago and he is banging away then screams. There is a trail of blood on the floor. He had bitten into his bottom lip. Must have tried to chew on the pot edge and missed!!! I felt awful! :cry:  :oops:

Ankie, you so deserve the mummy of the year award. Like Nancy, I wish I could come round and take over naps so you can get some sleep! Hang in there and something's got to give. Agree with Andrea about regression at about day 3 but try and stay consistent! Pop in and cyberpunch a wall or something!

Nikki, loved the pic of your living room. Our kitchen, dining room is like that. My mum called in yesterday while I was at work and she proceeds to tidy the house and change Sam..he had just been eating and I am sure you can all imagine the state of him! :wink:

Big rant...the family crisis I was talking about..I need some advice. My little brother is getting married in March. This should be a happy event but the girl he is marrying is a real b#@$h! :evil:  :evil:  Actually, she is a user and abuser.

To put you in the picture, she was working as a nanny and waitressing when they met (while training to be a teacher) but she soon gave up all her jobs and claims she was "looking for her ideal job". So since she graduated, she has not worked..has been on the dole (welfare). They live a very extravagant lifestyle and I know by brother is paying for all this.

Anyway, my brother decides he wants to buy a house before they get married, I am sure my parents have shelled out the deposit (they deny it!). Anyhow, my parents are giving them money as a wedding gift plus they are going to furnish their new house for them!! You think that my bro's fiancee (cannot even say her name!) would settle for basics but I heard her asking for a $2000 bed in NZ native wood the other day!!  :shock:  :shock: OK, my parents are typically Asian and he is their son so they have to help him set up etc etc. They gave us jack squat!!! Also, they have worked sooo hard all their lives only to be bled by a gold digger! My sis and I are so against them doing this and have voiced our opinion but none of us have ever told my brother about any of this.

He is blinded by love, it seems. I hate talking about him behind his back and have tried to call a meeting but my dad has requested that we let him deal with it! Yeah right!!! I feel like I need to say something before they get married but don't know how not to put him on the defensive. Any ideas?

Sorry this is so long!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 20:43:43 pm
RICHELLE--Oh my word, girl!!! I'm so glad you're OK, relatively-speaking of course. And soooo glad Sophie's OK. I've got to say, as I was reading your post, it played out in slow motion in my head. I'm ashamed to say the visual was pretty entertaining, but I didn't crack a smile until read everyone was OK...I promise!! That's my biggest fear is falling with Liv. I kind of have a rep for tripping all the time (my friends have made fun of me since college for it). I did fall a couple of times while I was pregnant and that scared me enough! I can't imagine falling while holding her...although I'm sure it will happen soon enough!

KAREN---Ouch! For Sam...so sorry to hear about that. I'm sorry about your family situation as well. That really stinks!! Maybe you could talk to your brother about it, or you and your sis talk to him alone about it? I don't know how he'd respond. But maybe if you approach it from the point of, here are your concerns, but ultimately, you'll still love him and support him in his decision because he's your brother? Maybe that will soften it...just an idea IMHO. I did a similar thing with my sis when she was getting ready to marry a guy I wasn't too crazy about it. She ended up marrying him, but I at least got to say my peace. Then I just had to learn how to shut up and live with it. It hasn't been as bad as I thought, and now we can actually spend short amounts of time with him without my wanting to strangle him. (Baby steps).

I have a poop question: Liv is usually pretty regular 1-2 poops a day, but the last few days its been 3-4 and it's been a pretty smooth/runny consistency (sorry if TMI). She doesn't act like her stomach is upset or anything, so should I be concerned at all? Is it possibly just the new foods I'm introducing (more solids)? Any thoughts? (you know you're addicted to the BW site when you discuss your daughter's BMs online before discussing them with her doctor!)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 11, 2006, 21:06:13 pm
Quote from: Sophiesma
Something else took over my brain, I somehow managed to twist around and hang on to Sophie.
That something is called the motherhood instinct, my dear.  Way to protect your baby while sacrificing yourself.  Just like Bambi's momma did!   :wink:   How scary for you, but I'm so proud of you, too, IYKWIM.

Nancy, is Liv teething?  That could explain it.

Karen, uggggh!  Why don't family members seek our approval before these things?  My sil is dating a guy that NO ONE in the family likes.  It is so hard to witness, isn't it?  I'd talk to your bro...but maybe focus on the furniture issue and not attack her as a person (eg, don't call her a money-loving bi%3@, although it sounds totally appropriate!)  .  Unfortunately, he'll probably not listen to you right away, but you'll feel better and if enough people say it, he might see her in a different light and make his own decision.  Hope that made sense and GOOD LUCK! 

Roz, I certainly have not stolen Sol as Ryan has been switched as well.  Another stuggle for nap #2 after only 1.5 hours for #1.  I guess he wasn't ready for bed yet.  Will try 3 hours A in between tomorrow. 

Good night!  Is Bec STILL on holiday?   :(   This is the longest week ever!  She probably got home 3 days ago and is just trying to read up!

Man...crying baby after only 40 mins.  No time to proofread, sorry!  Uggggggggh!!!!!  Later, girls!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 11, 2006, 21:08:36 pm
Thanks Nancy for your thoughts. It may be the different foods or more fibre..if she does not seem too concerned about it, I would not worry as it will probably firm out.

Here are the recipes I promised. The chicken and corn and vege couscous are Lisa's recipes from way back...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 11, 2006, 21:43:42 pm
Hannah - LMAO at "I am off to change the things I can accept the things I can't and go find some chocolate to help me have the energy (wisdom) to know the difference."

Kate - totally understandable about the no cards thing. We love you anyhow. LOL @ your overuse of Emoticons though!! You're right, I am not American, nor Cuban and who has time or space in their brains to remember all that history stuff?!?!  Hugs to Ryan and kisses on his injured lip!!

Richelle - Awwwwwww you will be half an hour away and I won't get to see you??  Would we be able to meet up? You Caymanians (LOL) are allowed to Cuba?? It is an Albertan thing to "go to the lake" for the weekend too!!  OK Richelle...how come your house is SO FREAKING NEAT???  I think you should have a BW BBQ in your yard!  OMG about your fall!! Thank goodness you are (fairly) OK and that you managed to hold onto Sophie, could have been a catastrophe!!  I fell down our stairs onto the hardwood when Molly was only about a month old! I too managed to hold on to her. Yikes!!

Nikki - no problem with you and the cards either of course!! The email or posting idea of pics of our houses/streets would be very cool. When people post pics I am always looking in the backgrounds at their living room, kitchen etc. I like to picture people in their space when I'm "talking" to them!!  Thanks for the celiac info. Poor little guy - is it something he will grow out of or no??

Jo - great picture. Ahhhhhhhh nothing cuter than a Mommy smitten with their little man!

Andrea - that sucks about Taylor Made. We should all put our thinking caps on for a new name for you!!

Karen - huge {{{{{{{{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}}}}}}}} in dealing with your future (!!) sister-in-law. Sorry I have no advice for you!!

Well guys I am back at work today - hopefully I will get a chance everyday to keep up with you all!!
Hugs to all.






 :cry:  :cry:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 21:59:12 pm
KATE--I had thought about the teething thing. I checked a couple of days ago and nothing, but these things change so fast. I need to check again. I'll let you know. She doesn't usually show any other signs of teething, except occasional night wakings, but then again, her teething has always coincided with a growth spurt, so I don't know which causes the wakings!

OK, I'm going to try to find some pics of our house, or maybe take some to post. Hopefully I'll be back soon...unless Miss Liv wakes up.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 22:17:09 pm
OK, here's a pic of me in our kitchen when I was pregnant. Will post more pics of house and nursery later. For now, Liv is awake, gotta run....

(let's hope it's not a HUGE picture!)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/nbackues/P0004837.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 11, 2006, 22:17:45 pm
yeah! it wasn't huge! (Thanks for the resizing tip, Traci!)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 11, 2006, 22:18:22 pm
trying to make this quick before he melts down in saucer.

Ankie-Hugs and hang in there.  You must stick with it girl. If you give in now you'll be starting over again sometime again soon!  YOU CAN DO IT!

Richelle-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK.  So glad you are both okay.  I have stumbled a couple of times but not fallen.

Cathy-sorry, no advice on the milk. maybe try a different style sippy for milk so he doesn't confuse the two?  The pic was mine and here it is for you.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/room.jpg)

Karen-sorry about the family situation.  let me think about it and i'll post later if i come up with anything constructive.

Roz-sooooo sorry to hear things aren't going well, financial issues and sleep combined.  OUCH!

Andrea-I'll put my thinking cap on.  We'll get a name for you!

Nancy-as I am always discussing coles poops here, don't feel embarassed!!!  Likely new food...but if she doesn't seem bothered I wouldn't worry about it.  Cole is going less than usual and I was wondering too.......

Kate-sorry about the lip!  I know what you mean. when cole cut his finger on our air return vent i FREAKED.  thank goodness DH was home to calm me down.  It stopped in minutes but i was thinking it would go on bleeding for hours!  I love the front of your house btw. 

can't remember much else, sorry girls. Cole was a star today.  Hour nap on the way there and 1:15 on way home.  I had to drive and drive and drive to keep him sleeping though.  He woke up the minute the car was off when we got there. Was hoping for an hour and a half.  Was happy though as I saw his eyes open a few times with honking horns etc.
Took some great pics today, will post later tonight.  Had a nice visit with my parents (although short) and my girlfriend.

last night he slept 7-1:15, PD and brief hand hold back to sleep, feed at 4:30 and up at 6.  So it looks as though I get 11 hours of night sleep.  He had 3 hours of day sleep yesterday.  I'll be interested to see if he sleeps in a bit tomorrow with less day sleep...or gets up early being a touch overtired.  I like the 7 bedtime, but not the 6 wakeup.  I think I prefer 7:30-6:30.

okay, guess i should get this boy some dinner.

i'll be back later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 11, 2006, 22:22:38 pm
Richelle - holy crap!!  Glad no one was seriously hurt when you fell... did the cleaning guys see this?  Did you lie there and yell "I think I need a neck brace" with a real "you guys will be paying off this house noooow!!" look ;)  Just kidding of course.  Glad you and Sophie are ok.

Cathy no ideas on the milk options - I have a girlfriend who went to soy formula with her dd thinking she may have had a milk allergy.  She's now over a year and has done fine with homo milk - just could never tolerate milk based formula for some reason.

Ankie {{{{{hugs}}}}}

Andrea - bummer on the name front - Taylor Made seemed so perfect.  You should perfect delegating... don't look at your mom when she comes in but while holding Taylor and seeming really busy say to her over your should "hey mom, could you just grab a few of those toys please?  Thanks you're a sweetheart!"  :) (no I could never do it - but on the other hand I don't straighten for my mom... well or for anyone really.  I have a friend who cleans her windows and her fridge before a family event??)

Karen - about your brother and stuff.  I assume then that it is your cultural custom for your parents to set up your brother's home?  (good to be the boy then!!).  My thoughts, well, deep breath, if your brother doesn't seem to mind that his future wife doesn't seem very motivated to hold down a job then really it's just annoying to everyone else but not really anyone else's issue (sorry - I really DO understand, just trying to be straight with how I see it).  As for her asking for the crazy priced bed???  Hokey.  But, that's between them and your parents.  If your parents are agreeing to furnish their home then they need to sit down with your brother and set some limits if they can and feel they need to. I'd have a hard time keeping quiet though (anyone surprised? ;))  If you are close to your brother then sure say something but don't attack his fiancee as he MAY just defend her and be more motivated by love than by logic KWIM?  If she's asking for the expensive bed then he's asking for it too really so go at it that way "brother, it's great that mom and dad are going to furnish your home but don't you feel bad asking for such expensive things?  I mean these are things you'd never be able to get on a single income and it almost feels like you are taking advantage of the folks"  so that way you're pointing out that she's not bothering to work without attacking her personally.  Your brother is allowing this so it's not just her but both of them.  Gosh though she sounds a real treat and soooo disrespectful to your family to be so willing to spend their money.

I don't think I could do it.   I wouldn't be comfortable picking out things for my house that someone else agreed to pay for.  And if I HAD to so as not to offend for cultural reasons well I'd be picking out the cheapest stuff and minimal items and then add on later once that 'time' was past.  Heck I don't even know the details of my own dh's financial state.  He tried to tell me the other day (we're finalizing wills and stuff) and I just told him I didn't care to know the details. 

Nancy - maybe Liv is teething?  That often affects poops and quite drastically for some children.

Oh yeah I was going to comment on the mothering instinct to protect our babies... dh fell of the stairs of our deck in the summer while holding Sarah (granted she's a toddler and pretty tough) and dropped her like a hot potatoe :roll:  men! ;)

So Zoe is standing here by me today and Sarah's on the floor and she says "she's going to hit me!" so I say "well she hasn't and no point giving her any ideas" so she looks at Sarah and says "I'm not going to give you any ideas... but don't hit me" and runs!  kinda missed my point I guess ;)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 11, 2006, 23:39:09 pm
Quote (selected)
Oh yeah I was going to comment on the mothering instinct to protect our babies... dh fell of the stairs of our deck in the summer while holding Sarah (granted she's a toddler and pretty tough) and dropped her like a hot potatoe  men!

Hmmm,  :lol: DH did the same to Nathan a few months back when he was squirming in DH's arms being silly, accidentally kicked DH in the nads and he dropped him on his forehead!  :roll:  I don't get it, if that was me and I've received some pain, I think my childs safety outweighs my pain - heck I went through childbirth didn't I?

Sorry, can't chat longer, it's lunchtime and I've "relocated" my laptop to the dining room table LOL.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 11, 2006, 23:46:30 pm
Richelle... OMG! Glad you and Sophie are okay. Well, her more than you but way to save the child!! I hope that bump on your head doesn't give you too much grief tonight for sleeping!

Karen... hmmm... does your brother's fiance have parents who are also contributing to the family home? Perhaps you can approach it that way? BTW, I think it is tacky that she is asking for such an expensive bed... I, myself, would only ask for what I would be willing to buy myself, but that's me. Anyhow... who is paying for the wedding? Would you be better off approaching your parents instead of your brother? They are the ones shelling out the cash, afterall. Perhaps they are blind to HER faults? I know they love their ONE son... I know how it goes, culturally... but do they love their new daughter in law so much that they can't see it?

Cathy... about soy or rice milk... I have heard that it is better to introduce soy later. I don't recall where or how I learned this but for what it's worth, I would introduce rice milk first. AND I would do it in a sippy cup for days and bottles for the AM and PM feed.

We had an hour nap this morning and she has just woke from a 30 min nap :shock: . Are the sleep training nights affecting her naps for goodness sakes? I need her to nap!!!

Gotta run...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 12, 2006, 00:12:53 am
karen- i love Judy's take on the whole thing.  not sure i could add much to that.

ankie-i'm not sure about the nights affecting naps hon.  sorry.

here are my pics from today.  you can see her son in the background of the one of cole in the tube.  he's a little chubber. Cole LOVED this tent/tube thingy they had.  must get a mini version for him. 

btw-cole went down in 5 minutes, no crying.  a couple of whines maybe...woo hoo.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1555a.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/DSCN1561a.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 12, 2006, 00:28:51 am
Good evening everyone!!!

Thanks for the advice on rice vs soy.  Luckily I only have to give it to him for the day feeds as I will continue to bf in the am and at night.  So, I will try a sippy cup (thanks Ankie).  My ped did get me an appt with the allergy specialist for a skin test to see if he still has these allergies (I guess alot of kids out grow them).  We have only had blood tests so far and he said they aren't always accurate!  Fingers crossed girls for my little man!

Traci - thanks for the picture of the nursery!  I absolutely LOVE that room!  It must have taken you forever to do. I thought it was either you or Andrea.  I can so picture you in the rocker in the middle of the night!!  Well, not any more of course!!!

Richelle - I am so glad that you are both ok (relatively ok I mean).  Good job on the quick thinking!  I agree with Nikki and Judy ... men are wimps!  I would easily take pain over injuring my child!!!

Here's some pics of Carter's room and then one of our family room (when we moved into the house and then after I redid it!)  When we moved into the house that we are in ... EVERY room had some pink in it!  The kitchen counter tops and floor were pink, both bathrooms floor to ceiling were pink and all 4 bedrooms too (with turquoise carpet .. yum!).  Carter's room was floor to ceiling wallpaper with butterflies and clouds  .. so nice for a little boy eh?!  :shock:
Not sure why we bought the place but I must say every room has been redone except the bathrooms so far.  Oh ya ... we bought it cause of the huge garage for DH and the huge backyard with built in dog run for Boss!  I was just left with the pink palace!!  :roll:  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 12, 2006, 00:29:57 am
Oops ... the pics of the family room didn't turn out.  I will try them again tomorrow!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 12, 2006, 00:47:11 am
OK, back for a proper post! 

Richelle, that is so scary!  So pleased to hear that you're both ok (well I hope you're getting a bit of TLC for your injuries).

Loving the pics, wow, those nursery's are just awesome, Danielle's is just looks like a regular bedroom pretty much with a few cool things in there.  But definitely not decked out.  Traci, I've got a very similar pic of Nathan in a little pop up tunnel and it looks really cool with all the colours around his head.

Hugs Ankie, there are regressions like others have mentioned, so work through it so as to not undo all your hard work.

OK, so I've made an observation, and kind of going back to those articles, but the play one in particular where there was a statement in there that I found interesting.   It also pertains to letting our lo's touch our precious things in our house, and that they eventually get over the need to fiddle and play with it.  I've just realised that it's the same as EVERYTHING in Nathan's day.  For example:  He has these plastic bins for all his toys, one day I showed him how turning them upside down and lining them up would be a good stepping stone kind of thing to do ( :roll: )- well everyday for about the next month he did this (used to drive me nuts because it meant all the toys got dumped on the floor) - BUT, it stopped once he'd got it out of his system.  At the moment he's going through a phase of dumping all puzzles and games in a big pile on the floor, it was driving me nuts, but this got me thinking that once he's "done it" for whatever *his* number of times is, it will cease on it's own.  He used to trash his bedroom at naptime but doesn't anymore.  So I guess it's just a reminder, that whatever they do, they WILL get over it when it's boring and if we always try and hinder them doing stuff the desire will be there for longer, probably just the same as playing with a toy everyday for 2mths and then it doesn't get touched again because they've sussed it out.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 12, 2006, 01:46:07 am
Just a quick hello while DH is putting Liv to bed.

JUDY--LOL at Zoe...how funny!

ANKIE--sorry to hear you're struggling with naps too. Whenever Liv goes through wacky nights, it usually affects her naps, too. I'm hoping you're near the end of it (but not nearly as much as you are, I bet!)

TRACI--love the pics! Adorable room...is that wallpaper or did you paint? Cute pics from your day. Looks like you guys had fun.

CATHY--Love the room! So much better than butterflies!

Sorry to cut it short, but must go clean up the kitchen...it's a mess from dinner.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 12, 2006, 01:46:54 am
hi cathy-the specific colours are Whipple Blue, Dijon, Raspberry Truffle and...drawing a blank here...Grasslands...they are Benjamin Moore. Also, I have a trick for the paint technique.  I'll share it here in case others are curious.  btw, only that one wall is patterned so it didn't take that long.  The whole room would be too much as it's VERY small. 

you start with the base coat.  then tape off your pattern.  the space between is just the width of the tape, nothing fancy.  The trick to having clean edges is to paint the base coat over top of the tape so that anything that is going to bleed under the tape is the base coat colour...not the deeper, darker colours, kwim? then you paint your other colours, wait for it to dry and peel tape.

okay, this thread is about babies, right?

nikki-I'll have to go read that...was that one of the things bec posted?

i forgot to mention, cole didn't cry before his naps in the car today either.  my little boy is growing up.  before today i can remember ONE time that he didn't cry before going to sleep(okay, maybe a couple others in the car)  And I can only remember ONE time where he woke up babbling/playing, not crying :roll:  Today he cried in the morning for a second, heard him babble and then started crying again. I would LOVE it if he played in his crib for even just 15 minutes once waking.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 12, 2006, 01:59:04 am
Richelle - scary stuff!  Hope DH gives you some extra TLC tonight for sacrificing yourself for Sophie!  Love the house!  Great pics - your house looks so clean. 

Cathy - Carter's nursey is great!  Maybe post on the food allergies forum with your rice/soy milk question for more info.  (Contrary to what we all think sometimes, there really are other boards on this site  :wink: ).  Hoping your tests come out well when you get them done.

Kate - love the house.  I most certainly do not think you're being paranoid by blacking out the address.  Sure none of us would stalk you, but other people can most certainly check it out as well.

Jo - great picture as well.  Can't believe how big Fraser is getting - and what a cutie!  You look like you're having a great time.

Traci - great picture of Cole in the tunnel.  You'll have to let me know if you like Photoshop Elements - I was thinking of getting it.  As for the teeth, Katie was up once last night, I put some Orajel on her gums and she went back to sleep.  Oh yeah, I was going to tell you, when Katie is up because of teeth (when I have reason to suspect teeth because of how she's been acting), I give her some Tylenol and put some Orajel on her gums.  I'll rock her for as long as I do for a winddown (I sing her winddown song to myself in my head) and put her back in her crib more or less awake.  Sometimes she falls asleep, sometimes I have to do some PU/PD or take her out again if she gets upset.  Anyway, so far (fingers crossed) it has worked for us and she's contined being an independent sleeper when her teeth are through. 

Karen - it really seems to me that your parents seem focused on their "duty" and aren't going to say no to your brother.  I think you have to talk to him and just point out how your parents will need the money in the long run (or tell him that they'll have to move in with him if they're running short on money later on because they spent it all on him) - and see if he can tone it down.  Tough situation though - you kind of have to say your piece and be done with it because otherwise you might end up with permanently hurt feelings.

Judy - your girls make me laugh (I hope they make you laugh too, at least on most days.) - it's so interesting to watch their personalities develop and watch them work through things. 

Nancy - nice job on the resizing LOL!

Nikki - I could use a laptop right now - I'm trying to watch TV ("Lost" is on) and type at the same time - the TV is behind me - I really need eyes in the back of my head for this one!  And thanks for answering all my various questions - I'll keep an eye out for Rachel Hunter!  BTW, what made you suspect Celiacs with Nathan (I'm sorry if you've answered this a million times already!) - it seems great that you caught it so early.

Roz - sorry things are a bit poopy right now.  Hope they get better soon!  Good luck with the financing!

Andrea - sorry about Taylor Made.  It was such a good name too!

Ankie - more ((hugs)) - stay with it girl!  We're all rooting for you.  Maybe Kate can make up a cheer and you can imagine her saying it in the middle of the night!

Goodness, we're having a thunderstorm right now!  In the middle of the winter!  It's super windy which always freaks me out as we have a TON of trees and I'm always waiting for one to fall on our house.  (We're had them fall near the house already twice since we moved in, so it's not an impossible thing!) 

Katie has a nasty diaper rash poor thing.  I keep thinking I've just about got it licked and then I miss a poopy diaper because we're going somewhere or she slept through it and it gets bad again.  *sigh*  What were those tips again people were giving Richelle a week or so ago?

OK enough already - WAY too long of a post!  Here's some pics of Katie in her nursery!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 12, 2006, 02:57:49 am
Yay, I"m back, not sure how long before Daniel wakes so there's a couple of things I need to say/want to say first.

Andrea, how about Taylored for Little Ones (T4LO's for short) or are you not allowed Taylor in the name at all? I thought of some other ones like Taylored to Fit but then thought they might not fit exactly on some bubs, so you'd get in trouble by a stroppy non-bw sleep deprived mum!!  :wink:

Ok, I did it, I refered BW to someone. I couldn't keep quiet. It's my neighbour who's daughter is 10months. Was sleeping thru, started waking and it becoming a habit. She said her DH suggested they CIO, and so they did last night for 30 mins. I asked if she went to her at all and she couldn't. She said she's going to try again for the next few nights to see what happens. I said if she doesn't have any luck I have a book she may like to borrow with  a different approach. Briefly explained about PUPD and that you're reassuring them even though they may cry and it might take a while the first few times it should help/improve. She's only been doing it a few nights and so hopefully whatever she does it won't last too long, but I've said obviously it's up to her and her husband, but if she'd like to borrow the book she's welcome. I've suggested she needs to read it before trying it out, to ensure she's got the technique right. Oh dear, I hope I didn't sound to pushy, I don't think so. But my hear ached for her little one when I heard she cried so long.  :cry:

Karen, I'd go with talking to your brother, just the two of you, so it's not to confrontational. And I can't recall who suggested it, but if you do, try not to make personal statements against SIL to be, but more about the situation.

Oh, Daniel's woken up, gotta go for now. But I'll be back I'm sure.... :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 12, 2006, 03:06:54 am
Nikki that is so true about them needing to get things out of their system.  Sarah's just coming in to her time for dumping all puzzles and games in a heap on the floor - if only it'd have been further spaced from when Zoe got over her need for the same. I'd have liked a year without it ;)  And suddenly every single day she must empty all the clothes out of her dresser so it was really interesting to read in that article to just comment 'oh wow look at this' (paraphrasing) and clean it up.  Although I don't even always clean it up I just brush it aside figuring it's just going to be out tomorrow anyway :roll:  It's very interesting though isn't it because it's obvious that they're learning something of value - makes no sense to us but it really does to them.

Erin, yeah I laugh at my girls a lot.  The other day Sarah climbed up on my desk while I was nursing so I couldn't reach her properly.  She wanted to move my papers (which is why I wanted to reach her) and instead of moving them to the side she started to toss them but I grabbed them first and moved them to the side.  Well she chuckled, grabbed them again and one by one flipped them over her shoulder going "weeeeeee".  I just laughed which made her giggle with glee and keep doing it :roll:  It was so funny though.  She's a real comedian she makes really funny voices on purpose to make us laugh or if you point to an animal in a book - say a cat, she'll say it goes mooooo and then laughs hysterically.

Ok baby naps.  Gosh these girls are such a tag team I tell ya.  For a few weeks Kaia's been having a 30min morning nap and a longer afternoon nap.  Hannah slept longer in the am and it was a dice roll whether she had a long or short pm nap.  Suddenly now for two days Hannah is sleeping 30minutes on the mark and Kaia sleeping for 1.5+ hours??  I don't get it because I do nothing different - just accepted Kaia's short naps.  But days like today I think "man!  If there were just one of them I'd be having an awesome nap day!!" not so imply I don't want them both - I do!! :)  So Hannah had three 30min naps - and for her last one she was actually snoring she was so tired and I was in and out of her room a couple of times. Oh and the early waking - it WAS Kaia for weeks and now she's sleeping right through Hannah's screaming at 5am :roll: and Hannah' much harder to convince that she should still be sleeping.

Zoe is so excited about her strength and ability to pick up these girls.  It's driving me mad.  The moment I sit them on the floor she is picking them up to stand, walking off with them, putting them on her lap or at the very least she V's her legs and sits right behind them holding them.  If they lie down she sits them up, moves them around. It bugs the heck out of them - mostly I think because she digs in her fingers - she doesn't know how to hold them without squeezing with the ends of her fingers (even though I should her the red marks she makes sometimes).  But man I'm getting to the point where I'm saying very exasperated to her "Would- you -just - stop- bugging - your sisters!!"  :(  Not the nicest way to go about it.  It's no wonder they are taking longer at physical accomplishments than the older two - they don't have a chance to do anything.  Maybe they need to realize if they crawled faster or started learning to walk they could actually get away! :)

OK I'm off to bed.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 12, 2006, 03:24:25 am
Judy, Nathan's only tried to lift Danielle up a few times, and not recently thank goodness. 

It was reading the bit about the drawers having all the clothes dumped out that got me thinking too Judy, it happened with his books and then when he'd got bored of all that he made his way through 2 packets of disposable nappies and unpicked EVERY SINGLE velcro tab LOL! :lol:  Fortunately that only happened about 3 times, obviously the number of nappies tired his fingers out pretty quickly LOL.  I used to just pick everything up as well - mind you if you leave everything out she's not getting the chance to get it out of her system, but equally maybe she'll forget about it if all stays out for a week...

Traci, it was this site:

http://www.naomialdort.com/articles.html
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 12, 2006, 03:52:15 am
Hey, hey...

Ankie - Steady Eddie!  There is a light at the end of the tunnel!  You just have to climb over all the  before you see it.  :wink:

Karen - can empathize with you over the whole future SIL thing.  My bro married his wife's childhood friend!  :shock:  :shock:  :?  Very ugly situation. The 3 of us used to work together and I could see it coming.  I never really said anything but at the same time but didn't fake my feelings and stayed out of the situation. (didn't attend the quicky wedding)  Anyway, 3 years later and I've never seen my brother happier.  I never would of guessed it aould turn out like it has.  She's actually pretty sweet and I'm glad I didn't alienate myself from them by telling them how I really felt at the time. 
Don't have any advice for you but just thought I'd share.

Nikki - which articles are you talking about?  I've been away for oh-so-long.

Richelle- Dang!! What a blessing you have such quick reflexes. 

Lovely homes eveyone who's posted pics.  It looks like you had a lot of fun decorating.  I can't wait! 

So the finances came through smoothly. I'm such a stress freak, I always anticipate the worst so I'm prepared or pleasantly surprised.

Sol skipped the pm nap again today after plenty of wind down and just in his window.  I didn't fight him and we ended up having a great afternoon on the floor.  AND he went down in 3 mins tonight he was so exhausted. 
Win Win situation I think!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 12, 2006, 04:44:35 am
Nikki, thanks for the article on play... here are my two bits.

I strongly feel that play is becoming a frowned upon activity waaayyyy too early. For example... the Lamaze brand & Leap Frog company makes "educational" toys" for 0+ months. (Don't get me wrong, I like the toys they make, we have a few ourselves... this is just an example.) I know that the "textured" caterpillar Arwyn has will teach her there are different textures... but so do her clothes, the recycling box :roll: , the different blankets/towels/throws we have in the house. So... first thing is that the toys we are consuming drive us towards what I think of as "multi-tasking" play. It is no longer good enough to have a toy bus, it is better to have a bus that has the letters of the alphabet on it, 3 different sound options, with 3 different characters in it that do something different with each option, etc. (Can you tell, we have this toy?)

Second thing, play is conspicuously absent in schools. I am a firm believer in that playing is a child's job and that at least part of the day, in the early primary grades, should be devoted to play. Playing is the most natural way to learn, and given the appropriate toys, will foster imagination and creativity without much intervention from adults. It would be nice to see that children in schools have an opportunity to play as part of instructional time, not only during break times, where they are often unsupervised in the same number ratio as in the classroom. I truly believe that play will connect what is being learned in a structured environment to real life. And we all know that those "ah-ha"s we make for ourselves are things we tend to remember longer and better.

Okay... I'll stop there. I can go on forever about this. The type of toys nowadays and play in schools. Get me on a soapbox and you can't haul me off.  :roll:  :oops:  :wink:

Michelle... meant to say a long time ago... yup, rude Ts alright... sent the link to DH and his comment was... consider the likely demographic.

Andrea... Poop about the name. I was thinking about A.T.A. for the initials in all three of your names... but what would it stand for?? Art, Taste & Apparel? Something along those lines is what I was thinking. If I come up with something else, I'll pass it along.

Traci... CONGRATS on the independent sleep! Way to go, COLE! You give me hope, woman, you really do!! I love your nursery, I don't know if I told you the first time you posted that pic. Also, very cute pictures from your visit today. That tunnel picture is great! BTW, I think they sell those kinds of tunnels at Ikea.

Kate... waiting for your chant/anti-jinx song & dance for me to picture during those mid of the night PD sessions! Oh... BTW, thanks for the picture of the arch. I have never seen it, I know it exists only because the sign for St. Louis is in the shape of the arch. 8) And your play area and Nikki's looks like ours... Arwyn has taken over the entire dining room (we don't have any furniture in it).

Erin... diaper rash... Arwyn only had one bout of it, right when she was newborn. What we did was to dry her bum REALLY well, sometimes with a hairdryer, before applying a THICK layer of medicated Penaten cream to it. When it had cleared up a bit, we continued to make sure her bum was really dry and then used vaseline on it for a couple of weeks. It never came back.

Judy... your girls crack me up. I can picture the sheets of paper flying over the shoulder!!! And you are so GOOD about it all, keeping your sense of humour and good nature. I would be screaming. :roll: And... I love the "I'm not giving you any ideas but..." comment!

Roz... can't wait to hear all about the new house. BTW, where is it? In town or the burbs?

Wow!!! All the pictures of rooms in your houses!! It feels like I'm visiting! My house, is not clean enough for pictures. :roll: And Nikki & Kate, I don't mean full of toys... it is a messy, disorganized mess that I am too embarassed to post. :oops:

And all the nurseries are beautiful!!! DH and I didn't do anything special... Arwyn has stick-on Winnie the Pooh characters and a border above the window and closet. Basic white crib, plain unstained pine futon, beech coloured tall bookshelf and two dressers that didn't fit into DH's & my room :oops: . Just mis-matched stuff... not nearly as coordinated as the nurseries I am looking at on this thread!!

Okay... the part you have all been waiting for. It took me 14 minutes to put Arwyn down and I didn't stay the 20 minutes  :oops: but she let me know all about it by waking up 5 minutes later and needing me to be there for another 15 minutes. So... total of 30 minute PD tonight, with minimal patting and singing. Roz... light is flickering, just enough to entice me to continue forward. *Sigh*

Sorry this post is so long. I was so behind on saying what I wanted to say to everybody. Okay... off to hold my breath that Arwyn doesn't wake before DH comes home and to pray that she sleeps through the night. She has already stirred 3 times and put herself back each time so... we'll see.

Nighty-night!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 12, 2006, 05:19:22 am
Ankie, I agree about the playing and toys.  I've always tried to find toys that are minimal and not a push-the-button type.  For Nathan's first birthday he got a box of wooden blocks and a trolley and a little people garage - all of these toys allow for creativity, aren't limited, can be a toy from age 1-4 as his development changes - his trolley's been a lawnmower, gets walked along the road to collect treasures, amongst other things, the blocks - well he's just coming into his element with those and the little people garage was good for driving all sorts of things over and around.  I think we only have a couple of electronic music type toys, and I've noticed they have such a short life as far as usability and not a lot of imagination required.  Nathan's now getting into funky tunes, so has actually taken over Danielle's toy phone and dances to the rhythm.  :lol:

After re-reading that article I think the bit I must have been referring to above was probably down further in one of the other articles.  Never mind, I couldn't find it. :P
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: hayes on January 12, 2006, 06:52:52 am
Yow just caught up after a long time... real quick post.
Karen don't want to hold the mailing any longer Ben's b-day is April 1st.
more later ladies.  Have a great day night.
macaire
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 12, 2006, 12:32:24 pm
Quote (selected)
Nikki wrote:  DH did the same to Nathan a few months back when he was squirming in DH's arms being silly, accidentally kicked DH in the nads and he dropped him on his forehead!

ROTFLMAO
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 12, 2006, 12:35:50 pm
Ankie very interesting observations about toys these days!!!  We have that bus too ;)  Ever notice too how everything is so LOUD!! :roll:

I've done some reading and talking to ppl about school/play and like you mentioned there seems to be very little open time at school.  Children and people really do learn so well through play and I think that schools sometimes take away our interest and ability to learn in that fashion.  I think that's why 'unschooling' is becoming more popular although it's hard for me to grasp the concept of it really.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 12, 2006, 13:34:11 pm
hey girls,

ankie-we have that bus too.  I asked for it, should i be embarrassed that i did? :oops:  I find it too advanced for him right now as he just picks it up and tosses it around.  I've set it aside til after 1 year (the suggested age).  Cole LOVES his vtec steering wheel which is very loud.  But he loves his other quiet toys as well.  And just the other day I looked over at him from the kitchen and he was sitting with a book in his lap turning the pages!  I was sooooooooo excited.
ankie-dying to know how you made out.

Judy-the antics your girls get up to!  Gosh, I'm going to have to get myself a whole lot of patience in the coming months :?  :roll:

nikki-thanks for the link.  i had saved it in my favourites...just haven't gone back to read...will do on first nap.

i had thought of something witty to post at 1:15 am last night but it has left my brain.  can you say REGRESSION.  ugh.

After our BESTest bedtime ever, going done at 6:50 with barely a peep, he woke at 8:40 and i PD, back to sleep. 10pm, same thing.  THEN 11:15-1:15!!!  trying to settled on and off on and off.  tried camilia, all the while thinking, COME ON ALREADY, there can't be more teeth!  tried gas drops. Thank Erin for the tip...i sang his lullaby in my head then put him down each time.  He wanted to sleep.  would cry out and mmmmmmmmmm, cry out and mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but just couldn't settle.  I even fed a bit.  i know, i know....so totally AP.  I was feeding and thought NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, what am I doing.  Took him off and he wasn't impressed.  Put him down and left.  He woke again...and I counted to 100 slowly.  The next time I PD he went to sleep.  I wonder if he just needed his one good cry that he didn't have at bedtime :?  anyway, slept 1:15-5:20 thankfully, fed, down until 6.  given early bedtime this should have been time to get up but mommy was tired so i fed him again at 6, locked the glider in the leaning back position and slept with him in my lap until 7.  It will be interesting to see if he goes down at 9:30.

going to try to see holly and brady today.  she had a better night the other night...by her standards.  still many wakings, one and hour long but no all night screaming.

okay, little man wants out of saucer.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 12, 2006, 14:11:06 pm
Did everyone have acrappy night?  After 2 nights of no wakings we had another one last night that lasted an hour.  Not too bad but I was so tired!  I fed him thinking maybe he was hungry and then realized that he was soaked through with pee.  So, had to change him, all the while he was screaming his little head off.  Ended up calming him down by talking in a really quiet voice ... I was just telling himeverything we were going to do today and for the next few days.  After awhile he just stopped crying and looked at me like "what you saying lady?".  Then he rolled over and went to sleep.  I was doing lots of yoga stretches the whole time as I went to the gym earlier and was in utter agony already from the weights  :(  :roll:

Erin - Carter had one bad diaper rash that I was just using this herbal product called Tender Tush on.  It worked pretty well at keeping it at bay but ultimately didn't get rid of it.  The Tender Tush stuff is all natural ingred and I got it from MIL ... love the stuff!  Works so well on all kinds of things (cuts, burns, chapped lips, dry skin).  I ended up going to the Dr and getting a presc cream and it got rid of it immediately. 

Traci - I love Benjamin Moore!  My cousin is an interior decorator and works for Ben Moore so she gets great discounts!!!  All teh rooms in my house are Benjamin Moore paint!!  We actually did a taping technique in our dining room.  It's painted navy with shiny strips every 4-5 inches.  I think the taping is the hard part!!!

I hope everyone gets over their sleeping issues soon.  I think we could all use a break.  But ... when it rains it pours so we will see what happens!

I have my meeting with my boss today!  Fingers crossed that I get to make the schedule I want and maybe a raise too!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 12, 2006, 15:01:15 pm
Ankie - you want to come open a school with me?  (In our spare time!)  Kate, Hannah, Roz want to come along?  I too think school is WAY too academic these days at the early grades.  My cousin teaches in one of those fancy ritzy preschools in the NY City and she's expected to teach her kids how to read....and she has 3 year olds!  Anyway, I read this great article the other day (I think in the NY Times) about how so many people are pushing to get their kids into these "academic" preschools where they do loads of pen and paper tasks every day and the end result is while these kids come into kindergarten more prepared than the kids who didn't go to the academic preschools.  However, all the academic differences disappear by the time kindergarten ends, but the nonacademic kids end up being better problem solvers.  Very interesting - I'll have to see if I can remember where I found it.  And Katie got so many of those noisy toys for Christmas.  I just don't turn half of them on.  Her favorite toy is her stacking cups - she's loved them for about 6 months now, doesn't get tired of them, keeps finding new things to do with them.  Hope your night went well!

Cathy - hope the job stuff works out!

Roz - Congrats on the house!!  :D  :D  :D  :D   How exciting!

Thanks for the diaper rash help - she looks loads better this morning, so I'm just going to have to keep a super close eye on it and be extra vigilant about the diaper changes!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 12, 2006, 15:52:37 pm
OK, my 4th morning of getting up early and walking on the treadmill. I was feeling really good yesterday. I'm pretty tired this morning, but it's my own fault...I stayed up too late last night.

ERIN--So true about other sites...I always forget about the others. Trying to keep up with this one is enough, I never think to check any of the others. Thanks for the reminder! Sorry to hear about Kate's diaper rash. Love the nursery!!

HAYLEY--I think  you handled the BW recommendation well. It sounded like you were trying to be helpful, but not too pushy. I hope, for the LOs' sake, that your neighbor takes you up on it!

JUDY--wow, just reading about your day makes me so tired! I know we've said it before, but you are the WOMAN!!!

ROZ---yeah! for your financing coming through...congrats! I'm glad to hear Sol went down well, how was his night?

ANKIE--I so agree with you on the learning through play issue. I'm not a teacher and have no formal educational training, but I did work extensively on editing a curriculum redesign that was moving more to this model, so I had to go through some informal training on the issue...and I was sold on it. It just makes so much sense. Playing is what kids do, it makes sense that that's how they would learn. NIKKI--haven't had a chance to read the article yet, but saved it and looking forward to giving it a read.

TRACI--sorry for the little setback, but don't lose heart! You've come so far!

CATHY--good for you going to the gym. Sorry for your rough night, too. Sounds like something is in the air! Good luck on your meeting with your boss...keep us posted!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 12, 2006, 15:55:54 pm
OMG so embarrassed.  the doorbell rang and i remembered we were to receive something from the courier.  I threw on my robe as i was just out of the shower.  didn't want him to ring again and wake cole or leave as it's a PIA to go pick it up.  anyhoo, i ran down and he says "okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay traci, i'll make this SNR" (signature not required), hands me the package and walks away.  hmmm, i thought, i don't look THAT bad.  I know what you're thinking...that my robe was open or something but thank goodness it wasn't that.  I came upstairs and i had big globs of cream under my eyes as i didn't take my mascara off yesterday and was trying to remove my racoon eyes :shock: .  sheesh-that's what i get for trying to look like a girl when i go out. LOL

thought some of us needed a laugh.

sooo happy cole didn't even wake to the doorbell (he rung twice).  so not like him.

k, gotta go get ready.  cole and i going to see holly and brady.  i'll try to get some pics.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 12, 2006, 16:09:50 pm
:P  :P  :P  :P Traci!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 12, 2006, 16:23:19 pm
Traci---thanks so much for the laugh...I needed it! And now I have this great mental picture of you inyour robe with cream on your face. It will stick with me all day and bring me great pleasure...thanks!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 12, 2006, 17:40:33 pm
:lol:  :lol:  Traci

I DO know of someone who answered the door with her boob still out while she was in the middle of BFing (and no not me!).
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 12, 2006, 17:41:24 pm
Traci... first... LOL at answering the door. :) Our post ALWAYS comes 20-30 minutes into Arwyn's first nap :roll: and I too, have answered the door in various stages of cleanliness?? tidiness?? And the bus, I bought that bus for Arwyn! It was intended for another child but we ended up keeping it. It is not the parents' choices... nowadays, the toys just don't seem to come as simple as before. I have a hand-me-down Little Tykes sports centre toy and it is basic, no bells and whistles... you can't even get it anymore... the current model, has lights, sounds and music (I'm sure there are more, I can't remember) so... I think that was my point? :?

Hang in there with Cole!! Like all the girls have been telling me, there will be setbacks and not to "un-do" all the work you have been doing! And... you fed after 2 hours... I gave in after 1.2 hours... I know how you feel... the entire time you are feeding, you think, "What in the h-e-double hockey sticks am I doing?" Then the guilt hits, you rip the child off your breast, only to stick him back on because now, you feel bad about it. Know all about the vicious cycle! {{{{HUGS}}}} to you... really, you are my inspiration for doing PD and we have to keep each other going!!

Erin and Nancy... what other sites? Other sites exist besides BabyWhisperer.com????? No way!!! There isn't enough time for me to check here... how will I ever be able to check elsewhere????

Okay... our night. Remember, she was down at 7:27... woke cuz I didn't stay the 20 minutes and was asleep again at 7:43 pm. Here's how the night went...
10:09 pm woke... DH puts her back down and then like, dashes out of her room. I sent him back in to wait for the entire 20 minutes.
11:06 pm woke... I toss DH a dirty look, go in for 2 PDs and it was ~7 min to asleep
2:48 am woke... I think I smell a poopy diaper... change... it wasn't  :oops:  and went in for 2 PD and it was 25 min before she was asleep.
7:00 am up for the day.

Anyhow... I am feeling better today about things. I will have to mess up her PM nap though, to go see the audiologist. :roll:

Talk to y'all later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 12, 2006, 18:05:54 pm
Hi,

Quick post, my comp crashed so I have brought it in to be repaired, will be BWless for a few days :cry: !

See you all soon hopefully!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 12, 2006, 18:39:24 pm
LOL Traci -  :) After ready your post I was fasinated that your postman rings your bell AND knows you by name!!!  We've lived in our condo for 10 years and I only know  people from 3 other condos on this floor!!! 
Your night sounded tough.  Great way to laugh it off.

Nancy - thanks for the work out inspirational posts.  (I missed this morning)  I've been meaning to read up on hormonal changes once you stop BFing.  I haven't been feeling like myself the last few days.

Totally agree about the learning through play and think it is soooo important.  A subject that me and my best friend kinda disagree on.  She taught 1st grade last year and had her kids writing thesis sentences and working on paragraph structure!!!  I know she wants them to have a leg up in the higher grades but they will never get these early learning years back and they need so many social skills in the future that I think are far more important then the technicals of essay writting.  :x  Ok that's enough Roz.

Our night was only semi - crappy Karen.  2 pee through wakings and 1 unexplained.  I think it was a bad dream because he was fighting everything.  Ended up sitting with him in the glider for about 15 mins then he was fine to go down again. 

Ok, off to the drop in center.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 12, 2006, 19:51:02 pm
hey-just wanted to say it wasn't our postman, it was the courier...so my name was on the package...and that's why he rang.

oh booooooooo, too bad for richelle.  i would DIE if my pc crashed.  *doing the super-mod and anti-jinx kicking dance* :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 12, 2006, 20:21:49 pm
Just had to share another lightbulb moment I just had while folding nappies  :roll:

Going back to the whole "please" and "thank you" and not asking our kids to say it and just knowing that through them witnessing and hearing us treating each other with manners they will learn...I think it's also similar to learning to read as Erin/Hannah (sorry I can't remember  :oops: ) saying that the majority of kids will learn to read regardless of how.  Anyway!  I was thinking about the process Nathan went through learning to talk - starts with one or two words and it was purely by us just talking, not TELLING him to say xx.  Then he starts trying to get sentences going and comes out with maybe 3 or 4 words but not joined in a sentence - once again he does it because he hears everyone else talking, then when it comes time to full sentences they start to build in all the little words themselves (I know teachers, you're probably cringing because I don't know the name of what all those little words are called  :lol: ).  So I guess it just goes to show, they learn to talk through listening to us, so it makes complete sense that they learn good manners (and the BAD ones) through hearing us and seeing how we are.  In fact just observing others shapes a lot about how we interact in the world...

OK, lightswitch going off now... :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 12, 2006, 20:57:58 pm
Interesting Nikki. Particularly interested in the play thing. I have instinctively not bought many toys with noise as I personally cannot stand it...although we do have the farm magnet. I also requested that none of my family bought any noisy toys. Sam got blocks, books etc.

I have either PM'ed or posted the list to you all except those requesting to be left out. If you have not received it, it will be my crappy computer skills so please let me know.

Sorry about your bad night, Cathy and Roz.

Traci, please tell Holly we are thinking about her and Brady and sending hugs and sleep vibes and anything else she needs cyberically (not a word, I know! :oops: )
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 12, 2006, 22:47:11 pm
Nikkie--I think you're on to something. I was thinking about the reading issue on similar lines. I am an avid reader, but I don't have a recollection of my parents reading to me a lot. We just always had books around, and I remember my dad was always reading 2 or 3 books at any given time. I guess it just kind of rubbed off on me. I think children tend to learn their behavior from what they see modeled (both good and bad). I guess that puts a lot more responsibility on us, huh? YIKES!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 00:09:17 am
Hi gilrs. I had a devastating hour or so when I just couldn't get on to the BW site! NOt sure what was wrong, BW or my computer. But thank goodness it's working now. Phew.

Lots I wanted to say before, but now I've fogotten stuff, so I'll just post some pics for now and re-read and write during his next sleep. Oh yeah, need to reduce first. Will do that then post up.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 00:17:32 am
Hi girls!
it's been a long time for me...two whole days!!  :shock: Warning *long* post ahead!!

I'm commenting as I read to catch up----Traci: I have been giving Jack egg yolks for the most part.  Every now and again he gets a bit of whites just because it is impossible to seperate totally sometimes.  I also give him homo (3%) milk for things that I cook but stilll formula for every thing else.  And yes his Chewie (lovey) does have some "beans" in it but I do have 5 of them and I rotate them regulary so that they don't really wear down and I can replace easily if they do.  Also he mostly sucks on the head half of his teddy and the bum has the beans in it.  Also it is made by "Ty" and it is specifically for babies so I figured they probably did a pretty darn good job sewing it together.  But I do still check them regularly to just to ease the "voice"  :wink:  in my head that worries about him choking on them.  ROTFLMAO at the racoon eyes!!! :lol:

Richelle: thanks for the recipes.  So far the eggy bread (both varieties) are a hit.  He likes the savory one a bit more I think.

Happy 9 month to Sophie and happy 10 month to Ryan!! :D

Yeah Ankie....I haven't got to the end of all the posts I'm only on page 49 so I'm anxiously waiting to read on.... JUST LIKE A FAVORITE NOVEL!! Can't stop and put it down!!  :D oh, just got to page 51 ....sorry about your sh1tty night ankie!!  :(  Yeah Ankie!!!!!   What a good night!!!  (anti-jinx dance with high kicks!!!)

Jo...love the pic!!  Fraser is a cutie!!! :wink:

Richelle: LOL!!  it cracked me up when you suggested the spiderman song for Kate's super mod song!!!  I totally started singing it!!  :lol:   Nice pics Richelle!!  Sophie is too cute.  jack has also just started clapping....not really in relation to anything....just claps randomly....maybe he's clapping to the voices in his head. :roll:  :lol:  Oh, richelle! I hope you are feeling ok after your big fall!! I've done that twice already  :roll: It Scares the heck out of you!!  Gets your adrenaline going and you thank God a million times over for not falling ON them!!

Nancy: too funny about the "ta-da" and "all done"  i have been signing to Jack since he was 6 months and still nothing in return  :roll: ...maybe one day.  He also randomly holds his bottle....I think it is just too convienent for me to hold it for him. :roll: Nancy: is Olivia teething (re: runny poops) that usually happens to Jack when he is teething.

kate: nice pics!  lol at you blackening out your house #.....it's a good thing i think hannah is  astalker!   :wink:   Kate...jack fell backwards and smacked his head on the ground on tuesday and then as i'm trying to console him I almost dropped him!!  :shock:  :oops: He came within seconds of the floor.  Scared the ever-lovin-b-jeziz out of me and him!  He wouldn't let go of my neck for about 1/2 hour!

Cathy: I'm sure you've already had everyone's input....i haven't got there yet...but I think you should introduce which ever milk you decide in a sippy rather than having to change from a bottle in just a short time....less of a headache. IMO.  :D  I love carter's room...I'm a fan of wainscotting!  It looks great!

Roz..good to see you!  Good luck with the house stress...we just went through that too!!   :shock:

Karen: ((((HUGS))))) i don't have any suggestions about your brother and future sil. but hopefully she'll prove you wrong.  :roll:   Darn chinese customs.....the boys are always doted on. hmmmm.  My grandpa (chinese) was so excited when he found out I was pregnant.  All he could say was "It would be great if it's a boy"  :roll: I haven't got the list either Karen unless it's in my e-mail....I haven't checked that for a couple days either.

Erin: i hope katie's bum is getting better.  as for treating...try to let it air out as much as you can.  use a wet cloth to 'rinse' any residue off her bum if you use the disposible wipes. and be sure to put a heavy coating of a zinc based cream on her bum especially before night time (besure to let it dry thouroughly before putting on the cream)

hayley: I have also touted the BW to my neighbor.  She has a 4 month old that is only taking 2 naps a day (a 45 min one and a 1.5 hr one)  I couldn't believe it!!  The babe must be exhausted!! :shock:  Or he must be an angel baby!!

As for us....we've been busy!  We had our first swimming class on tuesday...the same day that I almost dropped him and he clung to my neck for 15 min. well he kept clinging to me at the pool too and then once we got in the pool he made the face like "I'm on the verge of tears...what the heck are we doing???!!!"  then once we started splashing, singing and playing he laughed the rest of the class.  Yeah Jack!!  on wednesday, we had new lino put in our kitchen!!  It looks awesome but the installers moved the fridge into the hallway and I couldn't get to the bathroom or to Jacks bedroom so I had to put him down for his first nap on our bed....he was sooooo confused!!  He had big crocodile tears and was like "what the heck is going on!!???  I'm sooo tired!!!!  Get me to bed!!!"  but I stayed next to him and sang itsy bitsy spider until he fell asleep, I got to relax on the bed and finish reading my book while he slept.  Today, my neighbor and I went for coffee this am....Jack was NOT interested in being there!!!!  :shock:  :shock:   He was clinging to me and crying as soon as I sat down with my coffee  :roll:   So I stayed all of 10 min then had to go home so I didn't make him suffer too long.    But the big break through for him is that he started doing the one knee shuffle today!!!  :D He only scootches forward an inch then sits again, then repeats.....but at least he's starting to move forward!!  Yeah Jack!!

Ok...I'm caught up.  I'm sure this post will take a whole page!  Sorry!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 00:40:03 am
oh yeah...a couple more things!!   :roll:  :oops:

Let me tell you how hard it is to not have your kitchen sink working!!!   :shock:   how the heck am i supposed to wash dishes, make meals, etc now!!??  We are supposed to be getting a new countertop installed today, so i uninstalled the sink last pm.  It is now 5:30pm and no sink.....oh spoke too soon.  They just called.  They'll be here in half an hour! perfect timing to just interfere with dinner, bed and bath!  :roll:

AND......(tmi coming, sorry  :oops: ) now I've got hemmroids!  :roll:  :shock:   I didn't get them when I had Jack but I get them now??!!  WTF!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 13, 2006, 00:56:57 am
OK the PM system is really starting to P@^% me off! First, it would not let me PM anyone with apostrophes in their user names. Now it will not let me PM at all. I am going to send an amended list to everyone's private e-mail address. Sorry about having to do that. I left out Fraser's birthdate  :oops: so it is a new list.
Karen

PS: Nancy: I need your private e-mail address. Could you PM that to me once the system is going?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 00:58:56 am
MICKY--welcome back!!! I don't know if Liv is teething or not. That's all I can think it is, but her gums don't seem swollen at all. Of course, it's usually hard to tell when her's are getting ready to come through. THey just seem to show up one day. So maybe that's it. Sounds like you're living in chaos and could use some (((((((HUGS!!!)))))). But way to go Jack on the one-kneed scooch and swimming class. I think we're going to have to get Liv into one as she's started trying to "swim" in her baths (kicking and splashing and dunking her face in the water). It's really hysterical!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 13, 2006, 01:09:31 am
Yay Jackson on the one legged scooch! He will be on the go in no time, Micky! Ouch on the haemorrhoids! Homeopathic Traumeel Cream worked wonders for me. Sorry TMI. You will have to post a pic of your new kitchen but it sounds like a nightmare at the moment!

Thank you all for your advice on my brother. I think I will lie low for the moment and let things simmer down on my end but I am going to have to say something soon. She makes random comments like, "lucky we paid for our honeymoon at that expensive resort in the Pacific Islands before we bought the house or we would have to go somewhere cheaper!" :evil:  :evil: It wouldn't be so bad if it was my brother asking for all this stuff as he is related to my parents IYKWIM but for the moment, she is not even family yet!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 13, 2006, 01:56:13 am
Quote from: kq
Homeopathic Traumeel Cream worked wonders for me. Sorry TMI. You will have to post a pic of your new kitchen
When I first read this, I thought you wanted her to post a pic of the hemmroids!   :lol: You never know with this bunch! 

Richelle, I'd be surprised if we don't see you for a few days.  You'll find a way, I'm sure!   :D

Micky, congrats on Jackson's scooch!  How fun to see those legs back in action, eh?

Traci, don't fret about the regression.  It'll be fine...probably is at this point in the night actually.  LOL at your courier.

Ankie, it sounds like last night was a good one...hope tonight is, too.  I agree with the whole play thing.  It is so hard (esp. here in the US with "No Child Left Behind" :evil: )  not to get caught up in all the crap you HAVE to get through in a year.   Roz, we actually had the kids learning about writing and all that in Kindegarten...age appropriate, of course, but still had to be introduced.  I always made time for Centers, even in 2nd grade, even though the rest of the teachers didn't.  They learned through games and computer time and fun activities.  Of course, I tried to make all the lessons fun, too, but sometimes it is a challenge.  I am loving my mil's preschool, b/c although they learn the most amazing things, it's always fun and play based and the emphasis is on problem solving, not memorization.  Alright, Erin, sign me up for that preschool!  We need Macaire, too...1st grade representative!   :D

Congrats on the house, Roz!   :D   What a lot of stress for no reason. Do you think bankers secretly enjoy putting us through the wringer?   :roll:

Had a pretty decent day today.  Tonight we went to The Discovery Room at our school district's early childhood center.  My other mom's group and I met there. It was so cool...places to crawl, new toys to play with, a ball pit (Ryan sucked on nearly EVERY ball and I had to keep putting them in the Previously Tasted bin to be washed.)  It was fun to watch him interact with the other boys.  I'm reading, "BW for Toddlers" (the 2nd book) and it talks about respecting their personality type and not pushing them into joining the group.  He really enjoyed hanging back and watching the kids and adults and playing more by himself.  SO not like my own personality (surprised?   :wink: ) and I wanted to bring him over to the area where the rest of the boys were playing, but I didn't.  He seemed to be having so much fun.  Little lesson for me...LISTEN to Ryan and RESPECT who he is, not who I think he SHOULD be.  He's pretty much perfect as he is!  Just thought I'd share.  (The book is interesting, btw.  I keep hearing Judy and Nikki's voices.  You girls are true BW's!  I've decided you could be consultants.   :) ) 
Best wishes to all for a good night/day/weekend?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 01:59:51 am
GGGRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! :evil:  :evil:   NO COUNTERTOP!!!!!!!  WHICH MEANS NO SINK!!!!!!!!!   :evil:  :evil:   They fabricated it wrong so now I have to wait a whole week more!!!   :evil:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 13, 2006, 02:26:16 am
Hello!

Hope everyone is having a good night.

Karen - I'm sorry to hear about your situation with your brother. I also have parents who have a different set of rules for my brother and his wife than they do for me and my sister. In my case, after 10 years of putting up with the nonsense I spoke to my brother. He and I had a heated discussion and he hasn't spoken to me since (thanks to his evil wife who secretly listened in on our phone conversation and gave him an order not to speak to me :shock:  :evil: ). He has not spoke to me in over a year. I never thought that clearing the air with him would mean I'd be in this situation. So my advice would be to tread lightly if you think things will not change regardless of what you say...and do not underestimate an evil sister-in-law  :wink: YKWIM?

On a totally unrelated topic, I wonder how many hrs my dd is supposed to nap during the day? I know that it used to be 4 hrs a day...is that still the case? Are the guidelines different at this age?

Taylored For Little Ones - brilliant name...and very appropriate.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 13, 2006, 02:37:22 am
Micky, so sorry about the sink stuff.  Can you reconnect?

Janet, sorry about your bro.  He hasn't even seen the gorgeous Kay yet?  Evil sil!!!   :evil:   Most of our lo's have moved towards 3 hours (I think..hope I'm not misrepresenting) of day sleep, sometimes less.  If she is doing fine with 4 and sleeping through, I'd say don't worry about it.  Follow her lead.  HTH
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 13, 2006, 02:44:42 am
Thanks Kate.

I also wanted to comment on the questions about a lovely. I followed a recommendation that worked like a charm. I took a baby blanket and slept with it for a week (under my shirt next to my skin). Then I gave it to Kay during her wind down. I did this for a while (starting when she was 5 months). When she was in her crib I would put in across her chest in her arms. Then when she started baby school (as I call it) I cut it in half so she has one there and one at home. Now she reaches for it when I am changing her diaper and she is getting ready for sleep  :wink:  :D .
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 13, 2006, 02:55:04 am
Super-Mod
Super-Mod
Kate gets us back on track, she's a
Super-Mod

Super-Mod
Super-Mod
Getting back on track with the
Super-Mod

Oh Kate.....she's a super-mod

OK, at least that's the way it goes in MY head to the Spiderman theme song....

DH is coming home in one-ish hour!  :D

Ankie, Roz - I've got a question for either of you - when we were in BC on our honeymoon, we ate at some fast food burger place that was in Vancouver and it was also on the ferry we took from Vancouver to Vancouver Island to go to Victoria.  What is it called? - I'm sure there's more than one, but any names would be helpful - I've been trying to remember this for months and it's really bothering me that I can't.

Nikki - I think the word you were looking for is "articles" - words like a, an, the?...not that they were all the important to the meaning of your message - which I liked - nice thought!

Karen - got your message, mine looks fine, though I did notice Jackson was missing a month - or maybe I just missed it?

Micky - Hi!  Was wondering where you were off to.  Hope the kitchen gets reconstructed soon - we were without one for about a week and a half a month before Katie was born (though it would be much harder to live without now).  Good for Jackson and his scooting!

Ankie - your night sounded better - at least she settled more quickly.  I've got all my fingers crossed that tonight gets even better!

Janet - Katie gets about 2.5-3 hours of sleep during the day, sometimes less but she turns into Miss Crankypants then. 

Kate - I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE "No Child Left Behind" - when I was teaching 8th grade we used to spend half the year teaching them how to take the *&^@# 8th grade NJ standardized test.  AND most of my kids would pass the darn thing anyway because I've been teaching in a really nice area anyway.  Anyway, sorry, just had to vent for a minute.  LOL about the "Previously Tasted" ball bin.  I have to get the BW for Toddlers book and start reading - right around the corner!

OK, "see" everyone later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 02:59:04 am
Hi Ladies,

trying to keep this a short catch up and hi becasue I have to get ready to have dinner with my old buyer from Saks.  She's now a big wig over there so can't wait to hear all the juiciness from the top!   :lol:

Anyhow, thanks for the names ladies...all very genius!  Especially Taylored for Little Ones!!!  I thougth we had found a new name...Baby Taylored, but will now have to re-think it!  Thanks so much as always for the support.

Karen/Janet-sorry about the brother situations.  That is such a hard spot to be in.  So strange how different families are.  My DH is the youngest and gets the LEAST help (well, doesn't really ask for it etiher), but IL's bend over  backwards to help out bil and sil.  so frustrating I know.  I hope you all work it out.
Karen, thanks for the list as well as the recipes.  I made couscous last night in fact!

Ankie, sounds like things are slowly improving.  Good luck and stay strong.  Keep this in mind: back to work in a few weeks and don't want to be a zombie!   :lol:

Traci-remember, tehy do regress after a few days, so don't get discoruaged okay hun?

Okay, times up and I know I didn't say "hi" to everyone, but wanted to comment on one more thing:

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I was thinking about the process Nathan went through learning to talk - starts with one or two words and it was purely by us just talking, not TELLING him to say xx 

Nikki, YES!  I have a book titled Baby Talk that is all about how to enhance/encourage, etc, your childs communication skills, and the #1 thing they say not to do is tell them what to say.  For example, Taylor, say mama, or dada.  THis can actually hinder them and discourage them from wanting to talk as opposed to keeping an open and active dialogue going.  Also, when they do start talking, don't correct them.  So if they say pail nolish, you then say, 'do you like mommy's nail polish?" so you correct them inadvertantly by just saying the word correctly KWIM?

goodnight ladies!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 13, 2006, 03:03:33 am
Quote from: Erin M
OK, at least that's the way it goes in MY head to the Spiderman theme song....

Okay, your songs/suggestions are much better than anything I've come up with!  Too cute!!!   :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: solnme on January 13, 2006, 03:09:43 am
Eggy toast!  What a great idea.  I'm assuming it is french toastish?  Got to try it!

Micky - Yay to super scooter Jack! 

Erin - you had White Spot.   I brought a bag of 15 Triple-O burgers (so addictive)  to my bro when we went to Portland.  He actually teared up when I handed them to him.

Janet - that sucks about your bro and evil SIL.  A whole year?  What do your parents say?  Man, wasted years like that are so not worth it.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 03:12:18 am
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kq wrote:
Homeopathic Traumeel Cream worked wonders for me. Sorry TMI. You will have to post a pic of your new kitchen 

When I first read this, I thought you wanted her to post a pic of the hemmroids!  You never know with this bunch!

Kate: too funny!!  I thought this also for a second!!  Surely she doesn't want to see my hemmroids...but she is a doc and all??!!   :lol:  :shock:

And yeah, I can reattach the sink and water connections but it will have to wait until my FIL comes tomorrow because I don't have a plumbers wrench big enough to fit the pipes properly on the bottom of the sink. :?   It's just frustrating working on a plywood counter that is sticky from ripping the old topping off of it and it is also cut into sections so it's not very sturdy. :x   Oh well, one more week. :roll:

Janet: Jackson gets about 2-3 hours of nap time over 2 naps.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 03:22:49 am
have to make this quick, DH needs the PC.

janet-Cole gets 2-3 hours as well and about 11 hours at night.

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When I first read this, I thought you wanted her to post a pic of the hemmroids!  You never know with this bunch!
LOL, i thought that for a moment too.

micky-sorry for your sink situation.  that totally sucks.  i'd be a mess if that was me, because i don't even have a bathroom sink on the same level. i'd be running upstairs all the time.

saw holly and brady today.  another tough night for them yesterday but he seems do be doing okay regardless.  i'll post a couple cute pics tomorrow.

wanted to pass a quick hint along to those of you waiting/wanting your los to crawl.  take their pants/sleepers off.  my friend told me this and it really helped cole.  it worked for brady too.  have them roam around in just a onesie/diaper shirt.

k girls...cole went down fairly well at 6:50 after only 2 hours of day sleep (pm nap 45 min :? ) haven't heard a peep, it's 10:22.

off to bed doing anti-jinx dance with kicks...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 03:30:54 am
Okay, yep, I thought the same re the photo of .......

I read Micky's message as JANET JACKSON GETS 2-3 HOURS SLEEP. I'm thinking, WTF, why does JJ have naps?!!!!  :roll:

Still haven't done the photos, but will soon. Need to go and feed my friends cat.

Daniel and I went swimming today, well, he swam, I paddled. Had a good time, went under the water today (with my assistance of course) and for the first time didn't choke when he came up. YAY, he's getting the hang of it.

More to say, but gotta go. Back again soon/later I hope.

Hayles

Oh yeah, that's my nick name from my bestest friend. What about you girls have you got nick names? We talked about our LO n-names, but what about ours?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 13, 2006, 03:43:09 am
Helloooo...

White Spot, Erin. They are pretty good marketers, evidently. They are in a lot of private companies now, as well as making their way into the schools as I understand it. :roll:

Micky... I was wondering where you had gone!!! Was just about to ask! Poop about the sink!! One more week?  :?  :twisted:  :roll:  :cry:  :x  :!: I would just be a nut case. I use my counters for everything... mail, recycling, etc. Doesn't everybody? :wink: Yeah to Jackson for the scoot! Way to get around!

Traci... doing the anti-jinx dance here for Cole over here. Send my {{{{HUGS}}}} to Holly and Brady too!

Janet... Arwyn normally gets 2.75 to 3 hours of day sleep. On a bad day, she'll only get 2.15 hours.

Okay... No Child Left Behind. I watched a documentary on this... wish I could remember the name of the program and the association that was speaking. They were totally against it, saying it was rubbish that all students MUST achieve the SAME goals by the SAME time. Whatever happened to individuality? Anyways, I also believe that it is not possible... God loves the bell curve (for you staticians) and that is the way the cookie crumbles, folks! You will always have the gifted students and you will always have those who need lots of support. My philosophy is to get them all at their level and to equip them with skills and knowledge that will make them conscientious, contributing members of society! Okay... stepping off the soapbox, now. :oops:

Anyway, the reason I remember this documentary is that one of the members of the executive on this association wrote a song about No Child Left Behind titled No Child Behind Left and I found it quite appropriate. The gist being that they had to sit all day, be lectured to and then subsequently tested.

We have something similar in B.C. called Success by Six. Um.... hello? Nobody starts school until 5? What is "success" at the age of 6? Very tough to deal with in addition to what teachers feel students should be learning in the classroom. Okay... really getting off the soapbox. :oops:  :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 13, 2006, 03:48:11 am
Hayle... you posted while I was writing my soapbox novel!

LOL about Janet Jackson! And it sounds like you and Daniel had a really good time swimming!

Nicknames... well... my name rhymes with a number of not so cool words so... the ones I hated... Spanky Ankie, Hanky Panky, Yankee Doodle, you get the picture? Didn't help that I attended a high school where there were two teachers, named Mr. Sankey and Mr. Hankey. :roll:

Now, most people call me Ank. Two people call me something else... one girl I've known since Kindergarten (age 5) and another I worked with at a special needs residential summer camp... Anchors and Doodle, respectively. Don't know why, it just stuck with them so, I respond.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 03:59:29 am
hayley:

if you haven't guessed my nickname is micky.  :D   My real name is Michelle.  It was funny when DH and I got married because ever since I finished school and started working I've been going by Michelle.  So I was introduced to him and his whole family as Michelle.  But my whole family and friends know me as Micky.  Anyways, at the wedding reception, when anyone referred to me as Micky, none of DH's  friends or family knew who they were talking about and vice versa with being called Michelle.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 13, 2006, 04:07:41 am
I laughed at the Janet Jackson comment. I used to work with a guy who called me Ms. Jackson. 8) 

Thank you for letting me know about the hrs of sleep that is really helpful.

Roz - My parents say nothing about my brother. They avoid conflict at all costs. I emailed him twice and he never responded. It sort of is what it is.

On a happier note, Kay cut her first tooth a week ago. I better take my last pictures of her toothless grin!

Good night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 13, 2006, 04:40:51 am
Hi everyone

Hayles  :lol:  - love the new avatar!  Your little boy is looking so grown up!  Fraser also loves his swimming lessons and has no problem going under the water.

This is probably old news but we get 2 - 3 hours day time sleep here and 11 - 12 at night

Not trying to jinx anything but for the past 2 nights we have only had one wake up - around 3 - 4 for a feed.  Our days have been starting slightly before 6 though so something new to work on. 

Ah our childcare dilemma continues.  The situation in Australia is that we have a massive childcare shortage - so when you all post and say I hope you can find somewhere you are happy with, it's more just about finding somewhere.  In this horrible situation it is kind of take what you can get.  So I've been on waiting lists (at 30 centres) for over a year - yes, prior to Fraser's arrival - because I returned to work in July.  With no prospects of getting a place work agreed that I could work from home for 2 days a week while Brett is at uni.  Well, we've been doing that but it is getting so hard now that Fraser is older and more "demanding"/requires more attention.  So last week one of the centres called me to tell me they have a place for me.  We went there yesterday and I just didn't get a good feel for the place.  I can't put my finger on why though.  Work is starting to put pressure on me though to get back to the office full time - I guess they realise that my productivity is reduced when I'm working from home (right Nikki  :wink:   although I'm at the office today and here I am posting!!).  Anyway so then yesterday I phoned to harass some of the other places where I have my name down and lo and behold one of the places has 1 day available that I can have.  The difference is that it is a home based carer where all the other places I have thought about have been in actual centres.  So my question (long winded - sorry - typical!!) is what do you all think is preferable - a childcare centre (2 carer's/8 kids all in the same age group) or a home based carer (1 carer/4 kids, different age groups).  We are going to meet the home based carer next week (oh, and she lives 2 streets away from my house) so I guess I can't make any decisions until then when I can see what my gut says - but I wonder if my instinct about not liking the centre is more about my reluctance to put Fraser into care and not really about the centre itself.....  Anyway, if you have any thoughts I'd love to hear them.  You know, someone should start up a BW childcare centre.  At least then I'd know where I wanted to send my baby!!

My nickname is Bubbles.  It was given to me on my wedding day by DH's grandmother who gives all her grandchildren, greatgrandchildren and their wives nicknames (she stands up and annonuces it at the wedding - so cute!)  Brett is LoverBoy  :!: :wink:   and Fraser is Little Nipper.  Otherwise everyone just calls me Jo - my full name is Joanne.

OK chat soon!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 13, 2006, 04:54:09 am
Oh my so now I can't stop thinking of Bubbles and Spanky Anky!! :lol:

I was going to comment on Janet Jackson's naps too but Hayles :lol: beat me to it..

And holy crap it's midnight and I just hear one of the four girls cry out - or was that the dishwasher?  Not sure so I must scoot.  It's late anyway and after the nicknames :lol: i've forgotten everything.

LOVE  Taylored For Little Ones!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 05:13:27 am
Hi again,

Oh duh, Micky I only think of you as Micky and wondered a couple of times who Michelle is when someone's written that instead of Micky  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

This will be a nother quicky. Daniel would not eat dinner tonight. I thought I had it all sorted, but no. Wouldn't even take tinned food. So I took him out of his highchair and will try agian soon. I wonder if it's cos his 4pm bottle of 180mls is too much and he's too ful. He's certainly happy enough playing on the floor right now.

Anyway, here's the photos of our lounge where I sit a the computer and Daniel's room. If I'm not allowed on the computer (dh takes over) then I'm on a laptop on the couch beside the computer desk. DH keeps saying we'll have to buy me a computer and desk and we can sit beside each other as if we were working together.

Oh, so it won't let me. A message has come up saying "sorry you have reached your maximum upload quota limit of 5mb" What's that about???? The file was less than 500kb.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 05:30:35 am
hayley: I think most of the girls on here call me Micky.  The Michelle they are reffering to is Molly's mom.   :D
Don't be  :oops:  .  I forgot who the other Hannah was!!  :shock:  :oops:  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 05:44:00 am
Bubbles, Spanky - I love it!!!

Bubbles, I'd be going with whatever your gut says. The home one around the corner sounds handy though.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 13, 2006, 06:14:52 am
Jo... we have the same problem here in BC about daycares. In my area, there are only 4 :shock: that are for 0-3 years. The one thing about our daycares, including home based ones is that they are regulated. All caregivers who care for 2 or more unrelated children are required to have a license. People get on these wait lists, like you did... before the birth of their child. I am putting Arwyn on the wait list for next September at the local high school here. They have a few spots for "community moms" as the rest of the spots are for the teen moms who are students at the school. So... Bubbles... wishing you luck with the daycare situation. Go with your gut (and if Fraser cries as soon as you bring him inside and all else is okay, get outta there!) and trust your mommy intuition! Glad the nights are going well!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 08:22:39 am
Ok, this posting of pics thing is just not working. Can anyone tell me who to contact about 'clearing' my alleged 5 MG limit that I've gone over. Who looks after the technical side of BW site?

I just re read some posts and realised how insensitive I was.... sorry Ank  :oops: You didn't like your nick names.... and there I was calling you one. I won't do it again.

I have another few, Hailstones, Hayley Shmaley, and my brother used to call me gromit (but that one never stuck except coming from him :roll: ).

Janet, I meant to tell you Daniel sometimes sleeps 2 hours total of 2 naps, but other days (like today) he'll do 3.5 - 4h. And either way makes no difference to his mood/personality. And 11.5hours at night. There's a post in the beginning of the EASY forum page that gives averages for sleep.

I can only guess what the 'no child left behind' theory/policy is about. Doesn't seem to make much sense, surely all children are different. I don't know if we have anything like that at our primary schools, but our high schools have got an 'interesting' exam/grades thing going on. I don't really understand it, and I figure the way things change here, by the time Daniel gets to that age it will have changed again. So why try to understand it for now. Even some people involved in it don't really understand it too well. IMHO.

Daniel didn't want dinner at 6pm tonight either. Lots more tears. I think I'll put a post in the food section and see if anyone can help. I just HATE dinner time, I can't figure out what or when to feed him.

Sorry, I can't go back any further to re-read posts and I read them all much earlier today (short memory). I know when I read what you all had to say I would have thought comments I wanted to say. :oops: Sorry.

Hopefully I'll make it to chat tomorrow.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 13, 2006, 13:30:42 pm
just a real quick post.
Hayley, the thingy you got was cuz we have a certain amount of pics we can upload, I forget how to do it now, but go to the glitches section and ask them, they set me straight....
Right, gotta go on the phones here at work on 1min..."see" you all tonight for the chat girl....janet are you able to make it too!!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 14:29:53 pm
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You know, someone should start up a BW childcare centre. At least then I'd know where I wanted to send my baby!!

Bubbles, you may be on to something!  Maybe I should look into starting my own care centre :wink:  Anyway, I think that it depends largely on the people actually caring for Fraser.  Did you meet the 2 people at the centre?  I am yet to meet my potential caregiver...but i sooooo hope she is going to adjust her hours late enough.  She sounds awesome.  She has 5 kids now (the limit) but once Cole starts her daughter will come on board with her.  I think once you meet the lady around the corner your gut will let you know!

so girls, i am baffled with my baby. He slept 6:45-12:15 without a peep, was then up til 2:15.  Tried camilia, tried oval, tried holding (I know...but I thought if it was his tummy maybe upright would be better).  Again he was trying to settle the whole time.  Fed at 2:15, right to sleep :? Slept til 4 something i think, 1 PD and back to sleep, up at 5:30 for the day :shock:  i thought maybe, just maybe his tummy was giving him trouble since he had all hard poops yesterday, but then he had a soft poop this morning.   :roll: i guess i shouldn't worry too much about the poops...he goes every day and doesn't cry or strain too hard. I can't help but think it's not good for his body to be having so many hard poops.  even gave prunes at breaky yesterday, and didn't have any toast all day. hmmmm.  anyway, we'll see how today goes, more prunes at breaky.

thankfully DH took him and i slept another hour.  and i'm heading to sleep again now.  he'd better not have short nap.

going to ped for 2nd flu shot today so maybe i'll talk to her.

nicknames...well, my maiden name is beaver and i played competitive soccer all my life so i was usually called Beav on the field.  Yep, that's creative huh? OH-and a girl at work calls me Tre Stella...which is a brand of cheese here.  a old employee made it up and she still calls me it after 7 years....a bit annoying.  Sometimes get "T" but rarely.  DH and I call each other "baby" which I hated it at first but it grew on me.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 13, 2006, 14:30:16 pm
Posting two days in a row...can you tell I am off work today?

Hayley - You are not the only one with food issues. I am having the opposite problem with Kay. She is eating lots of solids but has started to refuse her 3 pm bottle :?: And now she is not really taking her 7 pm bottle...I am concerned... but she has been sick this week plus she just got her second tooth. I am going to try and mix things up a little (give her less milk at her lunch and snack) and see if it helps her take more milk at bedtime.

Jo - Hugs to you. I was in the same boat in October when I went back to work. I know Mums who are happy with centres and homecare. I think what is most important is to find the caregiver(s) you feel will be the best fit for YOU and Fraser. Try and visit both places when the los are napping (if that is possible) and talk about your routine. See who seems most supportive of what you do. You could also see if they are open to you coming by with Fraser for a few hours so you can observe.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 14:50:52 pm
I did it! My goal was to get up early every day this week to do the workout thing. This morning was the hardest. I came so close to skipping it, and it was dark, and cold, and raining. But I got up and did it and I feel really good. I'm going to take the weekend off, but now that I know I can do it 5 days in a row, my goal is to do is consistently M-F, then find some other activity (like walking my much-neglected dog) on the weekends (since DH is home on weekends and I don't have to get it done while she's still sleeping).

KATE--thanks for the insight ont he BW toddler book. I've been wanting to read it...now I REALLY want to read it!

MICKY--(((HUGS!))) I know it's so inconvenient to be without a kitchen. We painted ours a couple of years ago, and since it was a nice, deep red, it took 3 coats. Which took 3 days! So I was without a kitchen the whole time. I can't imagine doing it with a LO....HUGS!!!

JANET-- Liv only sleeps about 2.5 to 3 hours during the day. She's pretty consistent with 2 1 hr 15 min naps and about 12 hrs at night. Occasionally she goes longer, but that's the norm. Thanks for sharing about Kay's lovey...what an adorable story! I might give it a try (my sleeping with it for awhile, that is.) Yay! for Kay's tooth!!! Liv will usually refuse at least one of her bottles when she's not feeling well. Could that be the deal with Kay?

HAYLEY--too funny on the Janet Jackson naps thing! Thanks so much..you started my day with a laugh. Don't have many nicknames. It's usually just shortened to "Nanc" although my best friend in high school used to call me Nancillia...don't know why. Also, when I was pregnant, my best friend regularly refered to me as "Chubbs" or "Preggers." But now she's pregnant so I return the favor.  :lol:

JO--I'm sorry I have no advice on caregivers other than TRUST YOUR MOMMY INSTINCTS!!!! That is one lesson I've learned overall in the last 8+ months.

Better go get some breakfast for my little sleeper...I had to wake her up at 8:15...must be the cold, dark, rainy day! I'm seeing a nap in my future today. Although I have to get packed...we're taking a quick trip to the ILs (only 2.5 hrs away...up tonight, back tomorrow night). DH has to help his dad set up his new computer. I'm sure I'll be back sometime today, but then probably won't make it back until Sunday.

OK, now I'm really going...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 13, 2006, 16:22:06 pm
Good morning... well, it is morning and I guess it's good??

Traci... {{{{{HUGS}}}}} Hope you and Cole work out the sleep thing soon. You both are doing awesome!!

Nancy... have a good trip to the ILs!

Hayley... no problem on the nickname calling, it's better than name calling :wink:  :shock:

We had a crappy waking last night. We were doing so well... :roll: She went down in 8 minutes at 7 and didn't wake until 11:09 (2 PDs and 6 minutes) but the 3:13 am waking just about killed me... I PD for 70 minutes... twice, she was calm for about 15 minutes and then would start up again... she just couldn't go to sleep. I also changed her as her diaper was sooooo heavy. I had to feed her at about 4:40 because she wouldn't even settle in my arms when I finally picked her up. She went right back to sleep and I woke her up at 7:40 (it would have been earlier but I guess I fell back asleep when I woke up at 7  :oops: )

So... because I fed her, I always ask "the chicken or the egg" question. Was she hungry in the first place? Or did the crying and being awake make her hungry? BTW, thank you to whoever gave us the "hold for 1 lullaby in your head" idea. That was how she became calm the two times she stayed calm for 15 minutes. I'm sorry, I don't remember who it was :oops:  :oops: .

This morning, when DH looked in the mirror with Arwyn, he commented, oh, her teeth look like they are ready to pop! I looked at her top gums are super swollen and I can see the whites of the two eye teeth. I wonder if this was the problem last night? She couldn't stay alseep because if the pain? Who knows?

Hanging in there, girls but with droopy eyelids and a sorry butt that I'm dragging around.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 18:15:54 pm
Ankie, Everyone I haev heard from say the eye teeth are absolute killers to come in.  I bet that could have been it.  She is getting hers kinda early?  Both my nephews and niece got theres between 16-18 months, but my next door neighbor who is 11 months got his last month and she said he was miserable.

Keep it up, you are doing awesome!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 13, 2006, 18:37:43 pm
Hello ladies...shirking my school duties once again to check in with you all.

The No child left behind thing...ugh....such a nightmare.  I agree.  I am currently living that nightmare as 4th grade is our year for measuring wether children are being left behind or not...and guess what? they are.  I get so sick of myself trying to push stuff down these kids' throats when I know they are not ready and yet I keep doing it for the sake of this silly test...
It's hard too because I would love to just ignore the test and teach what I know I need to teach (according to our state guidelines...but not worry about a test) but then I feel horrible for kids when they see the test and relaise how behind they are.

Anyhow...yes...my soapbox is used regularly too Ankie.  And yes...count me in for starting a BW school/ daycare etc....I would love to. 

I too am a huge believer of the fact that kids learn through play.  So sad that they get so little time to do so nowadays. (in school at least)

Jo, when I was getting certified to teach, I was also being certified to "teach" Birth to 3 year olds (infants and toddlers).  I worked at the most amazing day care center (I was "student teaching").  The kids were grouped according to age and the ratios were really good.  The food was healthy, the facilities were amazing and the philosophy of care was very progressive, warm and flexible.  So that's my plug for ceneters being a good thing.  Sometimes I think it is easier for trained people to deal with kids of the same age group then for a home day care person to deal with so many different ages KWIM?  BUT of course you HAVE to go with your gut instinct and I am sure you know not to take him off any lists until you are sure you like the choice you make.  Good luck hunny!

Love the nickname hailstones :)  Had to go back and figure out who Bubbles was :)  I was, of course Hannah Banana (aren't nick names supposed to be shorter??) 

BTW Micky...the "other" Hannah...is that me, or Judy's Hannah or another Hannah that I am not remembering??

Good to see you Janet.

Can't wait for the chat tonight.

Andrea, good luck with the name thing...was so sorry to hear about that.  I love the suggestions you've gotten though.

Later ladies.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 18:51:37 pm
ANKIE---all I can say is, (((((((((HUUUUUUUGS!!!!)))))) I've also heard the eye teeth are the worst...not looking forward to those. Hang in there...it's almost over.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 13, 2006, 19:47:39 pm
hannah: a long time ago....probably a month and a half ago....i forgot about Judy's hannah.  I always think of them as "KaiaandHannah" kindof like "SamandEric" off lord of the flies. IKWIM??  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 13, 2006, 19:47:47 pm
This has to be quick as I am at work..but have to miss chat today :(

<<<<<HUGS>>> Ankie! Hope Arwyn's teeth come through soon and you get some sleep.

Welcome back Janet and thanks for sharing about your brother.

Karen
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 20:24:10 pm
hmmm, tried to post and it froze...luckily i copied my post before i lost it. here goes again.

is it just me, or is the thread quiet lately?  Oh yes, Richelle isn't around LOL

Ankie-we can inspire each other to get through this nightmare we are living through.  It almost seems harder for me now that I had 3 good nights.  Too bad I can't email/type while doing PD or we could hang for hours together.  I went to the ped today and she said he's teething again.  It looked like she pointed to the eye teeth also. :roll:  those are the ones next to the top ones, right?  he's been chewing on his fingers and his crib a lot...so maybe that explains our nights as well.  I did give tylenol two nights ago though and he didn't sleep until i fed him.  :roll: who knows.  i'm having tea and chocolate right now and i'm feeling a bit better. :wink:  It was nice of him to stop teething for three days.  Maybe he knew mommy needed some hope.

edit: i'm adding this little bit after holding him back to sleep after 45 min. nap.  Gave 2 camomilia tabs.  it IS teeth.  sheesh.  they better come through a heck of a lot faster than the first four or it's going to be a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG month

Nancy-good for you for sticking to your commitment!  It takes 3 weeks to develop a habit so hopefully that will inspire you further to keep going :D

Janet-I have to ask...did you grow up playing soccer?  In oakville first, move to edmonton, then move back to burlington?  It will bug me if I don't ask.  Just wondering if you're someone that used to play with me.  If so, your nickname was Smurf :D  Of course, if you saw my nickname you would have known it was me for sure...so just ignore this silliness.

I cannot wait for chat.  I'm going to chill with a cooler and hang with my girls.  I REALLY need it because I'm a little down about the upcoming weekend. DH is going to be gone ALL DAY, both days.  Hayley/Micky, not sure how you cope.  He has course and after it's done at 5:30 his group has to put together a presentation that is due sunday.  so who knows when he'll get home.  that reminds me, i've got to get on the phone and see if people want to come hang with me.

forgot to mention, if i turn cole sideways he can go down the step by himself now.  still can't figure out to turn around himself yet though.

I almost forgot, this is where cole and I hang.

pic of mission control...LR taken from stairs leading upstairs...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/livingr2.jpg)

pic of the famous bench he climbs and our tree half taken down...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/livingroom.jpg)

pic of dining room, which we don't really dine in...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/diningroom.jpg)

and pic of kitchen, you can see the step cole practices on.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/TraciandCole/kitchen.jpg)
ttyl tonight.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 21:14:58 pm
well, i posted another huge post and then the site was down. :twisted:

ped okayed HOMO milk.  said that she recommends 12 months because some babies can't digest the protein very well.  Since cole isn't on formula and is already eating yoghurt she said it's fine to go ahead.  said it might constipate him while his body adjusts so to give prunes.  didn't mention anything about iron or allergies.  soooo, going to pick some up today and start tomorrow.  let's just hope he'll drink it!  I have a friend, one of my "real" friends LOL, whose daughter is 14 months and won't drink any formula or milk.  she's still breastfed.  My friend wishes she'd started her at nine months..thinking she was likely more adaptable at that point.  she'll drink water out of a bottle...but if she sees that it's white liquid she won't even let it get near her lips. these little ones are too smart.

For those that are giving milk/formula...on average how much are your los taking at each feed?  The sippy Cole takes water from is 4 oz.  I might use a different sippy for milk though.  I think I'll use my Avent bottles with sippy attachments...the small ones are 4 oz. but I can give up to 9 oz. i think.  Aren't they down to 4-6 oz per feed now or something?

hopefully the site will be up for chat later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 21:15:25 pm
well, i posted another huge post and then the site was down. :twisted:

ped okayed HOMO milk.  said that she recommends 12 months because some babies can't digest the protein very well.  Since cole isn't on formula and is already eating yoghurt she said it's fine to go ahead.  said it might constipate him while his body adjusts so to give prunes.  didn't mention anything about iron or allergies.  soooo, going to pick some up today and start tomorrow.  let's just hope he'll drink it!  I have a friend, one of my "real" friends LOL, whose daughter is 14 months and won't drink any formula or milk.  she's still breastfed.  My friend wishes she'd started her at nine months..thinking she was likely more adaptable at that point.  she'll drink water out of a bottle...but if she sees that it's white liquid she won't even let it get near her lips. these little ones are too smart.

For those that are giving milk/formula...on average how much are your los taking at each feed?  The sippy Cole takes water from is 4 oz.  I might use a different sippy for milk though.  I think I'll use my Avent bottles with sippy attachments...the small ones are 4 oz. but I can give up to 9 oz. i think.  Aren't they down to 4-6 oz per feed now or something?

hopefully the site will be up for chat later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 21:58:56 pm
Ok, I've just got a couple of mins before DH wants computer where the photos are, so finally, here's the photos of our lounge and Daniel's room.

AHhhhhhhhhh  :evil:  :twisted:  :shock: It still won't let me do it. I got rid of the other photos and now it says it just won't let me upload. This is crazy! I'm doing nothing different from before. I can't figure it out.  :twisted:

Daniel's not going to sleep, he's normally down/asleep at 9.30am or just after. It's now 11am. If he falls asleep I'll turn on the laptop and I'll see you again soon and catch up on reading. If he doesn't who knows when I'll next see you. Hopefully for chat.

Bye.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 13, 2006, 22:41:52 pm
TRACI--great pics. What a beautiful house!

OK, just wanted to jump on real quick before we get packed up to go to the ILs. I'm hoping one night won't throw Liv back into a frenzy. I CANNOT do the Christmas nightmare all over again!!! She's back into routine now, so we should be OK. Have to go finish last-minute stuff..."see" you guys on Sunday!

Have a great weekend all! Have fun at chat tonight, and hoping for good nights for Traci, Ankie, Cathy, Holly, and anyone else needing them!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 13, 2006, 22:52:10 pm
Hi again. Well Daniel didn't go to sleep, he's perfectly fine at the moment though. He's now been awake 5 hours! Good ole Baby Mozart!  :wink: I'm about to give him lunch, so I wonder if he'll have a breakdown.

Traci, how did you put your pics into the text? I've tried that too and couldn'[t figure it out. Oh, I love the colour of your walls, very cool. We used to have a latte coloured lounge with burgandy fireplace but the latte colour was just too dark for the lack of light/windows, so we're back to cream. Boring but better.

I've noticed this site is doing really strange things in the last 24 hours, I thought it was our computer but obviously not.

Nancy, good on you for getting up. I"m so impressed. I haven't been back to the gym yet, but I went for a good walk yesterday. I'm thinking of trying swimming with some friends, the pool is only just around the corner, so no excuse.

Oh Ankie, the eye teeth don't sound good. Sorry to hear that.

Oh dear, gotta go, someone needs me.

Traci, Daniel is still having about 7oz milk per feed, sometime a bit more, sometimes less. 4 times a day, but I"m going to try dropping one feed again to see if this helps with dinner. :cry:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 13, 2006, 23:11:16 pm
I must have it wrong... the teeth that are coming in are the two front teeth. I thought they were called the eye teeth :oops:.

Anyhow, DH's stupid pet bird woke Arwyn up from her AM and PM nap after only 45 minutes each (well, the AM one was 30). *&^%in' hell... DH loves that stupid, stupid thing and I can't convince him to get rid of it.

He is going to get an earful if she doesn't go down nicely tonight. AND... he is working late and through most of the night :roll: . I really hope to make the chat... will probably be there an hour or so into it.

See you guys there!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 13, 2006, 23:15:29 pm
I'll probably be a little late for chat tonight too....can't wait!
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 13, 2006, 23:18:15 pm
hmmm, not sure Ankie...you could be right too. 

sorry for the double post  girls.  the site said something about debug mode.  they must have been working on something.

hayley-how'd you get rid of old pics?  just curious.  to post my pics I first upload them into http://www.photobucket.com.  then i resize them there, choosing 25% of original.  You then copy/paste over the image code right into your message.

Nancy-thanks for the compliment.  I often think the colours are too dark...but I think it's more me just needing a change. 

going to do bath and bed. crossing all body parts...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: JKHH on January 14, 2006, 00:40:31 am
Hello.

Traci - Sorry, but I am not the Janet you are thinking of. I played basketball not soccor and I grew up in Niagara Falls.

Nancy - you were right...Kay was taking less milk because of the teething. She finally had a good amout today (now that the tooth is through). I was getting a little scared because she was refusing more and more each day.

Have a good night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 14, 2006, 00:42:32 am
Ankie I'm really enjoying reading what you have to say about schooling and such!!! :)

And "phew"!!  on it not being the eyeteeth.  Teething sucks!!!  Eyeteeth -when they do come - oy oy oy!!! Zoe's took forever to come through - MONTHS and it was A W F U L.  Sarah on the other hand must not have been that bad - I don't remember it so...

Oh what else?  My brain is mush today.  Gosh I forgot so many things I intended to tell people today - called dh and my girlfriend but couldn't remember why.  :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 14, 2006, 00:52:17 am
A quick catch up read, have been out all morning - DH was working this morning (Sat) which is about an hours drive away so I took the opportunity to go with him and go visit a girlfriend down the road who is about 5mths pregnant with a boy and took a bunch of baby clothes and gear over for her.  Nathan initiated her straight away by asking her to take him to the toilet while I popped out to the car ( :lol: ) and then her partner spent the next two hours chasing/following him around their backyard and down in the garage ( :lol: ). 

Hugs to all those that need them - oohh teething, eek.  Fortunately eye teeth weren't a problem here and Nathan got them straight after his first 4 (which I think is odd as most people they are some of the later ones to come through).

Danielle's finally up on all fours occasionally and do the odd rocking and then pushing backwards, so we're getting there.  Traci, your tip for no pants on is right on, I started doing that a couple of weeks ago and noticed an improvement right away.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 14, 2006, 00:53:33 am
oh yeah - milk... when Sarah switched to milk she was taking 8oz 4x a day...  :shock:   BUT she also stopped eating solid food.  The dr. gave me some 'whatfor' and said she was getting too much milk and so he suggested cut her back to about 20oz/day.  I gave her then 4x 7oz and she started eating food again but HOLY COW!!!  She screamed the house down at the end of every single bottle for months.  She was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo upset - broken hearted screaming :(

Kaia and Hannah are starting to seem really hungry for solids!! Yay!! Finally.  Maybe now that those top two teeth are through they feel good for a bit.  They LOVE the 4-legged cantelope ;), oh and I started mixing plain yogurt with non-sugar apple butter - the LOVE it!! :)  (hated the plain yogurt).  And as pathetic as this is - they've started to eat 80% of TWO pieces of toast instead of the typical 50% of ONE (yes between them :oops:).  And they've been having better naps - yup it's gotta be the presence of those teeth.

Have I mentioned I HATE teething.  I'm still waiting on Sarah's two yr molars - all FOUR of them.  Nothing in there yet.  Rosey cheeks now and again and sometimes the gum feels big... my girls are such late teethers - Zoe started late, Sarah started earlier but slowed right down.  Molars suck too!

Well I won't be making it to chat (I know - no one is surprised ;))  But Friday night is movie night here!!  As in DORA or Blue's :lol:  Although the girls are SO tired today.  No naps :) and they've spent the last hour running like the wind through the house.  So here's to hoping they pass out in the first 15 minutes :)

Oh funny:  Zoe's asking dh if he brought apple juice for Sarah today - he forgot.  She's so helpful.  I tell her during the day  "hey call your dad and tell him we need apple juice for Sarah and tell him that we called Grammy and she's feeling good" (had teeth pulled).  So she goes and finds the phone, dials on her own and tells him everything I said - then checks with him when he gets home to see if he did as she asked (she called before lunch!)

Gotta scoot - 8pm nearly and I'm just finishing up K&H's last feed :oops:  I am very behind tonight.  But everyone was loud at supper and so I took 45min to put away laundry and have a shower and just decompress while dh entertained K&H and Z&S ran.  It really helped! :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 14, 2006, 01:04:23 am
Quick post ... crappy night last night ... crappy day today ... feeling pretty down and TIRED!!!

As for eye teeth (yes they are the ones beside the 2 front ones), they are a HUGE pain.  Carter started getting his left top one at Xmas at the same time as his eye tooth on that side.  I didn't even notice because I thougth that the top 2 were supposed to come in first.  I am totally blaming that for all his horrible night wakings, grouchy attitude and short naps.  Well guess what????  I noticed that his second top front tooth (right side) was coming in and decided to check for that eye tooth and VOILA .. there it is, starting to poke through  :shock:  :evil:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:   Poor baby, that's a whammy if I've ever seen one.  Right on cue he is having horrible night wakings where he won't go back to sleep, short 30 min naps and grouchy grouchy grouchy!!!  I can't believe that they are coming in like that!!!  That means that all of the most painful teeth (besides the molars) are all coming in within 3 weeks of each other.  I hope these 2 come in as fast as the last 2.  They are already half way in!!

Anyway .. I am hoping to make it to chat (if I can stay awake long enough to get there!!)

TTFN
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 14, 2006, 01:46:33 am
yay for Danielle!  Almost there...

And K&H!  That is soooooo great Judy about the solids.  how do you give them cantelope?  I tried chunks and strips yesterday but it was a no go with cole.  he doesn't like/know how to bite stuff yet.  Have you tried french toast with the girls?  made it today for cole and he LOVED it.  ate it way better than just regular toast.

Cathy-YIKES. that is a double whammy.  Cole was not good for his top two...these eyeteeth will be the death of me i'm sure.

Girls, regarding teething, do your los need tylenol/camomilia or whatever remedy you use before going to bed/nap?  Or do they only seem to notice the pain mid nap or in the middle of the night?  Could it be that they are tired enough at the beginning of nap/night that it doesn't bother them...but then does later on? not sure if that makes sense.  Cole went down in 5 or so minutes again.  I let him cry a few, went in and PD and right to sleep.  Heard him at 45 and 1 hour but settled himself. 

He had a 45 min. nap yesterday and one this afternoon which i managed to extend.  darn teething.  he was a super great napper for like, 5 days or something :roll:

One thing that I realized was different the last two nights is that he was in bed before 7pm.  Wonder if it was just too early for him?  Haven't given any meds, so if he sleeps through I'll know that's the case.

I'll be at chat, maybe a touch late.  Won't see DH all weekend and he's just getting home from work now so I figure i'll spend a bit of time with him first.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 14, 2006, 05:03:22 am
Hi everyone,  sorry for not being on for awhile.  We have had a rather busy/sad/happy few weeks.  It all started the week before Christmas when James got sick.  He had a virus and fevers continued for about 48hrs before they broke.  Luckily we had an ill-free Christmas.  We were then away for a week from the 27/12.  We had 2 nights James free.  Very strange feeling.  I actually felt guilty for "having time to myself and DH" :oops: I am sure this is a normal feeling.  We had a lovely time at the beach.  James just loved the beach and the pool.  I will try and attach a photo of him at the beach.

I then had my mum and brother stay for a week but unfortunately the computer wasn't working and have only just got it back.  It was great having mum here, she got James up every morning and we were able to sleep in :D

Yesterday though, we had the agonizing task of having to decide to put our beloved dog, Smitty, to sleep.  He was 10.5yrs and has had a very good life. :wink: After tests, they were 90% sure he had cancer throughout his chest and liver.  So lots of tears were shed yesterday.   :cry:  :cry: DH was unable to stay with Smitty when he went (he was too upset) so I stayed with him.  I am glad he didn't go alone and wasn't in pain for very long. 

So we have had a very sad start to the year.  I guess it can only get better.  In regards to James' development, he is cruising everywhere and has found dancing to be most enjoyable.  He also likes to climb everywhere, so we have taught him to go backwards off the lounge when he wants to get down.  So far so good......... 8) He is on 3 milk feeds a day and I think I quickly saw someone ask about introducing cows milk.  a child health nurse said you can slowly introduce from 9mths on their morning cereal.   We have tried this every 2nd morning and it seems to be okay.  I also found out by accident, that James doens't have a peanut allergy.  As he is very good wiht solids and chunky food, I found fruit bars meant for 1-3yrs that he could chew on.  ONly after he started eating did I see that they contained nuts, not just MAY contain nuts.  I guess I should have read the label but as it was inthe baby section and for 1yr olds, I didn't think they would have peanuts/nuts in them :evil: Anyway all is well.

Sorry for the long-winded saga, I will trya nd get around to reading the new thread.  Hope eveyrone had a wonderful New Year and Christmas.  Not long now for all of the 1st birthdays. 

Chat soon

Love Lisa mum to James my textbook koala
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 14, 2006, 23:06:17 pm
Hi Everyone,

Well you ladies have been busy!!!! I am over 30 pages behind!! There is no way I am going to catch up on all that  :shock:  I had a quick scan through from page 29ish but gave up after a while because I went a little cross-eyed :P . I did see Ankie's scrapbook, Coles big news, Andrea's pic of Karen's DH's and some other really cute pics of the lo's.

I had a pretty good week at the beach. I say pretty good because well, it was good but I was a little disapointed in DH  :evil: He went to work for 3 of the 7 days and when he was there he was not much help. Because we were camping, it made things like Halle's bathtime, meal times etc harder KWIM? He didn't seem to offer to help much, I suppose I could have asked him but I get sick of doing that.

I walked around the camping grounds a lot and Halle was a big star with everyone coming out and talking to her. She loved watching all the kids in the playground and would sit for ages just staring at them.

uh-oh she's awake from her nap I will post this so I don't lose it and post some more at 2nd nap.................
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 00:26:26 am
bec-sorry about not enjoying your "whole" vacation.  I must admit, I wouldn't have the courage to camp with Cole.  You are quite adventurous.

well girlies, our progress continues.  Went down like a dream for nap 2-first time I haven't had to reassure or PD.  Woke after 45 but I managed to extend.  Also went down great for bed-same as nap.  I left the room and he fussed a bit and went to sleep.

I am REALLY hoping this means he'll start to self soothe during those painful midnight -3am wakings...

i'll be back in a bit.  gotta eat and make some phone calls.  I rented Bridget Jones-End of Reason and Terminal.  Which one should I watch first?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 15, 2006, 00:31:03 am
bridget jones, bridget jones!   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 15, 2006, 01:16:30 am
We actually had a great night last night!  Carter went to bed at 8:30 and didn't make a peep until 7:30am!!!  His naps for the last 2 days however are 45 mins, wake up screaming, I resettle for another 20-40mins.  I find that lately (when he sleeps on his side) his ear gets folded over.  He purposely does it too.  When he turns his head he keeps moving it around until the ear (the top part) is folded over against his head.  If he is sleeping on his back he puts his hand behind his ear (on the right) and folds it over and keeps his hand there while he sleeps.  I am afraid his ears will stick out if he keeps it up!!!!  :shock:  :)   Maybe he wakes screaming cause his ear hurts!!!

We tried the rice milk today!  I had Dh give it to him while I hid so he woudln't see me.  He wouldn't take any of it. We tried his new sippy cup, his old sippy cup and even his bottle.  Whenever he takes a sip he just makes this awful face!!  We didn't force him or anything but we made it available at all of his mealtimes.  The only feed I didn't bf was his noon feed so he still will have 3 bf's today.  I am thinking of trying formula.  I am not very impressed with the rice milk.  After everyone told me to try it I looked at the label today and it has no calcium, iron or any other vitamins for that matter.  Maybe I should have tried the soy.
 
How did everyone else get their lo's to take formula or milk when the time came??  Judy, Nikki, Erin???  Help please .. anyone who has gone from bf to formula or bf to milk!!!!

Lisa:  Very sorry to hear about your dog Smitty.  It is a very sad thing to have to do.  I am very glad that you stayed with him, although it is very hard I think it helps calm them.  Plus it is nice to see your best friend when you are in pain.  I have to perform a lot of euthanasia's at my job and it never gets easy to do.  The Rainbow Bridge poem is what we put in all of our sympathy cards .. it is very touching!!

Judy:  Carter drinks, on average, atleast 10oz of water throughout the day.  He loves the stuff.  He will drink it out of a sippy cup or just a normal cup.  I usually use Brita water or bottled as I am very wary of Windsor water!!!

Oh ya .. almost forgot!!!  I got Carter's hair cut today for the 1st time!  He was sooo good, although when they used the clippers he kept trying to turn around and look at them!!!!  No more long curls on top anymore ... kinda sad  :(   I'm such a sap!!!

ok well bath, bottle, bf, bed time so "see" you all tomorrow!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 15, 2006, 02:17:12 am
Traci, well done! Sounds like things are really coming together for you and Cole.

Cathy, we went straight from b-milk to formula, but I did the cold turkey wean so he wasn't having both. He was fine with formula.

Oh poop, gotta go, DH is wanting computer  :evil:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 15, 2006, 03:12:56 am
Hey hey Ladies,

Well, it has been 9 pages of catching up and I am a bozeyed,..... :shock: !

OK, I am going to try and catch up here....

Jo -Trust your guldarned instencts!

Nicknames - Rock Hard ( I WAS pretty hard core, I WOULD try anything), Shovels (I have abnormally large hands and LONG fingers), Burner (ummmm, Have I ever mentioned that I have an English Lit. degree and have you ever noticed I can't string together a sentence?) and Spady ( I am a SPAzzy laDY)

Hayley - Do you think Daniel is ready for his own spoon/ finger foods?

Ankie - If she isn;t eating ALOT in the day or before bed, she could be hungry, namely if she has progressed so well in settling herself for other wakings concentrate on that success, you know BABY steps  :lol:  :wink: !

Cathy - Sophie got 5 teeth at once.  For me am a 'tear off the bandaid' philosopher so I saw this as a good thing, well as good as possible!

Andrea - BUMMER about those golf s!  I really like Taylored for Little Ones. 

Traci -  Trust your intincts if you think he is hungry (I mean after 10/11 hours....), he is soooo active and seems to have such a quick metabolism.  I used Tylenol when I thought Sophie was in pain and did not find that it dissrupted her sleep, although I did not give it to her regularly and/or regularly before bedtime.  I cannot even begin with the clothes thing.  I have already packed/prepacked/given away/vacuum sealed sooooooo many articles of clothes.  It is never ending but I tell you what, Sophie is Happenin'!  To answer Ankie as well, I Am No longer a big saver and was Feng Shueighed (SP) for life by Hurricane Ivan and refuse to get too attached to anything 'unworthy' therefore unless I LOVE it, it goes....

Lisa - Nice to see you again and glad you had a nice holiday!  So sorry about Smitty, how heartbreaking.  Which is what I am sure James was sensing when you and he had your 'off' day.

Judy - I 'paper towel dry' fruit/melon so that Sophie is able to pick it up.  Can you introduce water rigth before naps or solids or 1/2 way through?  I have heard unless it is really hot it is not THAT important to push water especially seeing as you are BFing!

Well for us, pretty big news actually...Sophie is up on all fours, properly crawling and for the love of Peter she is EVERYWHERE within the span of 2 days!!  She is soooooooo fast and today she pulled up and started walking along the couch>? :shock:   HELLOOOOOOO?  Mommy isn;t ready!!

Must run, I will 'see' you all tomorrow!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 15, 2006, 03:28:19 am
Hi all. OMG I go to work for a few days and you have all written a novel!!

I won't even attempt to comment on everyone's goings-on.

Hugs to everyone and next week I am making a conscious effort to check the site from work at least once a day, I feel like I am missing out on
everything!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 03:44:23 am
Cathy-Lisa had a good suggestion...start it in his cereal to get him used to the taste.  I'm no help as Cole won't take formula and that's why I'm trying milk soon!

Richelle-yay for sophie.  didn't i say for all you girlies to enjoy your stationary los while you could!!!

k, watched bridget jones. it was okay.

DH needs computer.  He left at 7:30 this morning, just got home at 10:30 and he has to work on his presentation for tomorrow.  ugh.  being home with cole is tiring, but not as tiring as that!

nighty night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 15, 2006, 03:51:55 am
Hi everyone!

We have cot Olympics going on full swing here (gearing up for the winter ones in a few weeks I guess).  Anyway, anytime we put Katie in her crib, no matter if she's so tired that her eyes are rolling around in her head, she's off to the side so she can pull up and stand  :roll: !  Please tell me this will end?  Soon?  The only way we could get her to nap today was to wait until she was so tired she passed out on DH.  So, with all the craziness, she had exactly 45 minutes of daytime sleep today.  Oh my.  I know some of you have done this already - any tips? 

Oh, the lack of daytime sleep was also due to the fact that we went to my nephew's 1st birthday party today - he's only 7 weeks older than Katie!  Time flies!

OK, enough about us...

Jo - I'm going with everyone else here - trust those instincts and check that center out VERY carefully.

Hannah - 8th grade is one of the big testing years here too - 4th, 8th, and 11th, so I feel your pain about those stupid tests.

Lisa - I'm really sorry to hear about your Smitty.  It is so hard to lose a pet.  If you're really concerned about how you've been feeling, I might talk to your doctor - maybe your hormones haven't quite adjusted back yet?  Find another doctor if yours doesn't take you seriously (easier said than done, I know).

Judy - water - Katie has just started to take water with her food, but definitely not more than 1-2 oz a day, and I'd be surprised if it was as much as 2. 

Cathy - we got Katie to take the bottle by offering it before every single BF for something like 2 weeks before she finally took to it.  It had to be really warm for her to take it.  I have had no luck so far with formula in a sippy - finally just got her to start taking water a week or so ago.  I'm going to try to work on that starting this week, so when I wean her from her 2 BFs that she gets now, I can (hopefully) go straight to a cup. 

Ankie - sounds like improvements are coming slowly for you and Arwyn.  Honestly, until you get the other wakings sorted out, I would definitely feed her at the one - that way when the time comes you can focus on that one as it sounds like it will be the hardest to get rid of.

Traci - clothes - mine are all sorted by size in those big plastic bins - I have one under her bed for clothes that don't fit yet - whenever she grows out of a size, I go through the bin and take all the clothes out in the next size and pack the ones that don't fit away.  I'm hoping that I'll get to use them for a future child, or I'll just give them away....I know if my sister has another, she's definitely hoping for a girl as she already has 2 boys!

Hayley - your trip sounds exciting!  Must look on a map to see where Dubai is!

Bec - nice to "see" you - glad to hear your camping trip went (mostly) well.  I can imagine bathtime being very hard when camping.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 06:02:39 am
hey erin-we've had the standing issue a while now and i'm only now getting it under control.  please be sure not to do too much AP because i think that is one of the things that may have started our tailspin.....only tip i have is to practice practice practice with her during A time how to get down.

well, it's 1am here.  tried something new, not sure why i didn't think of it earlier.  cole woke, i went and laid him down and LEFT.   5 min. later after lots of mmmmmmmmmmg he's asleep.  DH left computer on by accident so here i am :D

back to sleep for me.  yay cole!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 15, 2006, 06:15:17 am
Richelle, that's great news. Very exciting stuff. I find it so much easier now Daniel is crawling, cos if I leave the room without him and he wants me - he comes and finds me! I'm sure you'll adapt pretty quickly.  :wink:

Erin, my suggestion is just leave Katie as long as she is happy. Sometimes Daniel can take 20 mins to settle now, but he's happy and winding down in his cot, so I leave him. He eventually falls asleep in strange positions then I reposition and cover him.

Traci, good thinking Batgirl. Amazing how switched on you are at 1am!  :wink:

Daniel didn't want dinner again tonight, even with B Mozart on.  :evil: So I took him out of hchair and tried again at 6pm. Still not interested, lots of grizzling/crying, so I picked him up out of the chair and tried feeding him and he did actually open his mouth a couple of times (kind of). So, here's my thinking for today, what do you think??

1) Bottle between 3.30 - 4pm means he's not ready at 4.30 - 5pm for dinner. Needs to be 6pm for dinnner.

2) He's teething and the COLD food was nice on his gums (normally it's warm)

3) He really needs to be eating with us. At his lunchtime today didn't want to eat much, but when we all sat down for our lunch 30 mins later I put him in his chair and he ate 1/2 a cruskit and a bowl of avocado and banana.  :roll:

I've given him his own spoon and he's not into feeding himself or having much in the way of finger food. I keep trying though. (thanks for your suggestions Richelle).

Dinner is about to be served so I better go tuck my little bear in (ie translates to make sure he's asleep :) )
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 15, 2006, 06:25:26 am
Congrats Traci!!! Hurray for Cole and settling himself! Hope the rest of the night goes as well as the day.

Erin... we have also had the standing thing happening for a while. I know that Arwyn knows how to get down, however, doesn't  :roll:  and will stand there crying FOREVER if I don't put her down. Also, she is doing her "cot olympics" in her sleep too... DH went upstairs when she cried tonight and she was sitting up, crying... didn't know how to get back down in her sleep. I don't have any suggestions, only to make sure she knows how to get down... I am sure Katie is smarter than Arwyn and will actually USE the skills she has. :roll:

Hayley... I wanted to mention to you that Arwyn also needs all sorts of distractions around for her to eat during breakfast and lunch. AND, it has to be "forbidden" things or things she doesn't usually get to play with AND, if I offer it more than 2 days in a row, it has to be something different!! In short, she likes to be entertained while she eats... sounds like Daniel does too. We have tried BE but it is too difficult to get the TV and highchair angle so that I can feed her so we only tried it once. Therefore, I am stuck coming up with a forever changing list of toys for during meal times. :roll:

I just previewed my post and it seems that I roll my eyes about lots of things that Arwyn does. I love my darling little girl, I really do!! :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 15, 2006, 06:41:23 am
Oh Ankie  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :wink:  :D

I use all sorts of emoticons all the time, if there was one that had me throwing my hands up in the air while looking at a gorgeous baby in the highchair, I'd use that every day!  :D  :shock:  :D

I just remind myself as I"m going thru these emotions, that it's because I love Daniel sooo much that I have emotions, just like the rest of you also have for your LO's. If we didn't love them, we wouldn't care, if we didn't care there'd be no emotion. So rolling eyes are just fine.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 15, 2006, 10:14:03 am
Well, today was slightly better, although we were out for most of the day.  I am just wondering if at the ages of 9-10mths separation anxiety really sets in :? This seems to be the only real problem that I am having with james.  He is sleeping well both at nap and night times.  It is just his settling (once again). We seem to go through stages of being able to do if (like last week) but since Saturday, he has gone to screaming when i leave the room.  I really don't like CIO but am a bit confused as to if and when I should go in.  I have been going in and giving him a kiss and say "night-night" and laying him down.  This settles him and he rolls around the cot but as soon as I close the door, screams start again. :roll:
Not sure what I should about this.  Any suggestions?

In regards to water, James loves it.  I actually leave a sippy cup of water in his cot so when he wakes from his nap or in the morning, he can have a drink if he wants.  As it has been very hot here, if he wakes on the odd occasion at night, I give him a drink and this seems to help.  I figure that I often wake thirsty, so he must be.   :)

Sorry for whinging about sleep because I know compared to some of you I have it very easy.  Thanks for all of the nice thoughts re: my dog.  It gets easier every day,we all just miss him I guess.  Micky, that was a lovley poem, thank you.

Hope everyone had a lovely weekend.  BTW,I am trying to find a recipe/design for a truck cake.  James is obsessed wiht trucks (we have to watch the garbage truck every week) and I am going to make him one for his birthday.  Does anyone have one?  in regards to other foods, James eats just about anything.  He loves watermelon and also tuna sandwiches (we can buy it here and it is like a paste).  He also likes sultanas  :roll: although I am sure he stores them in his chimpmunk cheeks.   :D

Talk soon

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 12:13:30 pm
well, here i am again and i am soooooooo FRUSTRATED.  should i have done the anti-jinx dance after posting at 1am?  I thought FOR SURE because he went back to sleep independantly at that time that he was good for the rest of the night, or at least til 4:30.  NOPE.  Up at 2:15 and didn't finally go back to sleep when I caved from exhaustion/frustration at 4:15 and held him.

In those two hours I tried:

PD and leaving-CRIED very hard
PD and leave, PD and leave, PD and leave
PD and staying-cried hard about 10 minutes each time but went to sleep independantly TWICE.  Did firm hand on back to help calm, went to sleep once, to wake 10 minutes later, the other time just got up and started playing.  Oh ya, I fed in there somewhere as his last feed wasn't so good.  I think this is why he started playing.

Anyhoo-he then woke at 5:15, fed him a few short minutes, back down until 6:30.  DH and I are both exhausted.  I tried to keep it quiet for him, pillows under both doors etc.  But he wasn't sleeping well anyway...so he heard the crying which kept him up.  Hopefully he'll be coherant for his presentation today.  and cole better have two longs naps so i can sleep as i am the walking dead right now. :cry:

Lisa-I suggest staying in the room til he's asleep for now.  If all he needs is you there, start by being near the crib today, middle of the room tomorrow, inside the door the next day and outside the door the last.  Hopefully this will teach him that you're still there for him while he drifts off to sleep.  If he stands up, lay him down and say your usual "time for sleep" etc.

okay, cole sick of saucer.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 15, 2006, 13:29:21 pm
Richelle - congrats to Sophie for crawling!! Yikes, I think we are up for that very soon. Molly is really, really trying - the daycare influence I think!!

Ankie - I love the use of the emoticons, makes me feel like I am actually listening to you talking!! After what you have been going through with Arwyn, you can roll your eyes as much as you like!!

Traci - you poor girl!! I think I should come visit my brother and take Cole for a few days to give you a break!! I don't know how you keep at it day after day without losing it!!  Big hugs for you girl.


Molly had the night from H.E.L.L. last night for some reason. She was up every hour, screaming her head off!! We tried everything to get her to settle, but to no avail. The first few times I just went in and resettled her, picked her up and snuggled and put back down, she went right back to sleep. She did that about every 1/2 hour - until about 10 pm. Then nothing could settle her, we tried Ovol, Camillia by itself, then teething tablets, then Belladonna, then Advil. This is throughout the night, not all at once!!  :shock:
Each time she would eventually stop crying and go back to sleep but then wake again a half hour later. We were "tag-teaming" last night so took turns until about 2 am when Aaron started to moan and fuss and next thing I know he is out of bed into the bathroom throwing up!!   :shock:  He had McDonald's last night for dinner (thank god I stuck to my WW and had tuna with salad!!) and thinks it is food poisoning from the chicken. :shock: Needless to say I have been awake since 2 am, finally got up to feed Molly at 5:30. It's only 6:30 and she is down for her first nap, should be a lovely day.  :roll:

Hope everyone else had a good night. Happy Sunday!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 14:03:28 pm
Oh my gosh michelle-hugs right back at you!  What a horrible horrible night.  I soooooooooooo hope it's not her ears again!  Any update on the specialist?

ICKY for the food poisoning.  I had it from Lick's once.  Do you have Lick's out there?  It's a burger chain here.  That was the worst feeling I've ever had so hugs to your DH.

gotta go do windown.  he's hanging out in his crib right now though.  getting pretty good at chillin' with his friends bear, doggy and rabbit for 15 minutes at a time while i do stuff.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 15, 2006, 17:10:03 pm
Well, I hate to say it (because everyone else had poopy nights) but Carter slept through again!!!!  Went down at 9:00 (took awhile to pu thim to bed) and didn't get up until 7:40am.  He just had his first 1.5 hour nap in 3 days too so I am pretty happy.  I am not getting my hopes up yet though because with my luck it won't last!!  We watched Kingdom of HEaven last night and it was pretty good.  DH says I only liked it because the main actor was none other than ... Orlando!!  Anyway, I would recommend it!!

We decided to try the soy milk today as the rice has no nutritional value and he seems to take it without making faces anyway.  DH is trying to get him to have a whole bottle of it right now and I am hiding in here at the computer!!!

BTW the L'il Swimmers worked wonders!!!  We have had 2 pee-free nights!!!!  He doesn't seem to mind wearing them either!!!

Traci:  We have been giving the soy and rice milk in his cereal and he wil eat it just fine ... just doesn't want to drink it!!!  He wants BOOBS!!!!  Typical male ....  :roll:

Richelle:  Yeah for Sophie crawling!!!!  Carter is getting close, don't know if I am ready though  :?

Ankie/Erin:  About the standing and unable to get down .. you girls are freaking me out!!!  I am NOT looking forward to dealing with that!  Hugs to you though that this "phase" doesn't last very long!! 

Michelle:  Sounds like you had an awful night  :(   I've been there and it ain't fun.  I hope Molly is ok and that things go back to normal quickly!

I am off to see if Carter decided to drink the soy milk or not .. here's hoping!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 15, 2006, 17:26:12 pm
Hey, there!
Welcome back, Richelle!  We missed you!   :D   Good for Sophie for the crawling, but you're right watch out!!!  I spent a lot of time "teaching" Ryan to get down during his A time, as Traci (and Tracy  :) ) recommended.  Seemed to work, but if Ryan is not ready for sleep and I put him in, he'll pull up.  Doesn't get stuck, but he'll be in there jumping up and down and having a high old time.   :roll:   

Michelle ((((((hugs)))))) to you!  What a poopy night!  I'm afraid it's her ears, too.  Has she gotten tubes put in (can't remember  :oops: ) or is that an American thing? 

Traci, some (((Hugs))) for you, too.  How frustrating!  Keep the faith, though and you'll come out of it soon.

Judy, Ryan drinks about 1-5 oz. a day.  It depends on the day, but the last week or so he's been doing great.  Coincidence that I dropped down to 3 bf's about this time?  I think not!  So, I'd say your girls must be getting enough liquid from you so no worries there. 

Nicknames:  NEVER had one.   :(   My maiden name is Halloran, so I got "Haaaaal!" in high school, but that doesn't really count.  My best friend felt sorry for me and tried to give me one, "Napier" b/c that was the road we were driving on at the time.  How pathetic is that?  It actually stuck with her and she jokes by calling me that now, 15 years later.  So, that, my dears is it. 

Big news from The Lou:  Ryan has his 2nd tooth!!!!   :D   I actually felt it.  It took a WEEK for that bugger to break through from the time I saw it.   :roll:   That week doesn't even count the 2-3 weeks that I saw the bulge/swollen gums.  We are talking about a freakin' MONTH for each of these stupid teeth.   :?   (After re-reading, wanted to clarify that "The Lou" is what a rapper, Nelly, calls St. Louis and not a reference to the bathroom as some Brits (and others?) call it.  No news on The Loo front as of yet).
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 15, 2006, 17:57:39 pm
OMG...One day...six pages later.  Just thought I'd say hi and go back and read :)  I love to read about all the goings on.
I have the day off tomorrow so I will be "around" all day...yay!
Later
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 15, 2006, 18:27:35 pm
HI Ladies!

Erin-reagarding standing up, it has been going on for about 3 weeks now and I have just learned to basically let her stand up and hang out until she is ready for sleep (which is usually about 15minutes max).  She does know how to get down but when she is super tired before a nap she will start screamign, so I go in and let her down and then she's off.  First week was terrible though with night wakings  :roll:  You'll get through it!

Cathy-Funny about the ear thing.  I'm sure his ears will be just fine...I think if they are going to stick out they are born that way?  ANd regardign the formula, in the last week because I haven't been able to pump as much we have given it to her 3 times and she doesn't even seem to care!  Gulps it right down, so sorry I can't give much advice.  We are just using plain old similac with iron.

Traci and Michelle-sorry about the nights.  Hope Molly is not getting sick.  I'm sure she is fine, probably just one of those nights.  Both of you need some sleep today!

 :arrow: So our Wake to Sleep Update: (it's long, so you don't really have to read the whole thing, just wanted to get it off my chest!)
-Alarm goes off at 5:15...I don't go in till 5:30 and stir hir...she stirs but then settles back down
-5:45 she wakes up (about 20-30 minutes earlier than usual).  No problem, I think...her clock got readjusted.  So I go in and settle her within about 5 minutes and stay another 10 minutes with her.
-I go back to bed feeling pretty excited!
-6:10 She wakes UP  :evil:
-Go in and settle her which was pretty successful and thought I had her asleep, then DH wakes up and turns on the bathroom light which lets all this light into her room and she starts to stir!  I go to close her door and the door creaks, which I have been asking him to oil for a month now!   :evil:
-She is now FULLY AWAKE screaming the top of her lungs.
-The painful long story short is that I did PD for the next 40 minutes until 7 am when I finally got her up for the day and fed.
-She fell asleep on her walk at 8:50 and is still completely passed out (didn't even wake when I transferred her to her crib!) and she is still asleep at 10:30 so I need to go wake her so she her pm nap is not crap.  So she is really tired and does need her full 12 hours, but her clock is definitely stuck.
I just still am not sure if she is not hungry at that time though.  I mean it would have been 11 hours since her last feed, but she ate a TON yesterday.  3 full meals, 4 full bf's and 2 snacks!   :shock:

ALright, enough complaining from me.  I am going to try for 5 more days.  IF no luck, then I will just continue to feed at 6:15 and let her go back to bed.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 15, 2006, 18:27:58 pm
OK I've caught up but DH is in the room naked and shaved so I gotta go....Just Kidding...having AF right now (and seems like always...so none of that for me yet) :)

Love the emoticons Ankie and everyone.  rolling eyes are good.  takes the pressure off :)

Lisa...welcome back. So nice to see you.  Sorry about Smitty. What a beautiful poem from Micky.  Sorry thingsa re tough with James. Good suggestions from Traci.  It will get better.

Nikki so cute about Daniele in the sand :) and about the clean living room.  Dh and I have been discussing furniture and set up for our new house (we will move in this summer) so as to include the kids toys books etc...but hopefully in a "tidy" way :)

Judy...Sophie only drinks a little water so far.  LOL at the last once being the favorite :)  And at the nacho chips...you must get hungry from all that typing :)

Ankie...Hugs to you.  Keep me posted on your Seattle plans.  The feed idea does sound good.  Keep it at a regular time then move it back slowly.  And yes all lo's are different.  Maybe she does need a night feeding still? 

Traci...lol at the fact that you are changing Cole's clothes everyday (now) :) See...that's why we chose Carter for Sophie's arranged marriage.  She doesn't want a guy who hangs out in his pj's all day :) :) :)
Also my dear hugs to you figuring that little guy out. 

Hayley wow..travel in your fututre sounds amazing.  Love your new avatar btw.

Cathy gotta see a pic of Ctrter's new do :)

Michelle good to see you hugs for the bad night.

Richelle yay for Sophie the crawler/puller uper/cruiser :)

Erin we have the exact same thing here, cot olympics even if she is falling asleep practically before I put her in.  I just let her go for it as long as she is happy.  I walk out of her room many times while she is standing at the rails of her crib with her blanket on her back :)  I just say...I'll be abck to check on you in a bit"...like she knows what I am saying :roll:  :lol:   I guess it makes me feel better leaving her like that anyway.

Bec...so good to have you back...dh's... :roll:

More later...Sophie awake...dh not doing anything about it! :roll:
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 15, 2006, 18:57:44 pm
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See...that's why we chose Carter for Sophie's arranged marriage. She doesn't want a guy who hangs out in his pj's all day

LOL Hannah!  How about an older boy who runs around in the buff scratching his "testicles"? :wink:

Andrea, that's a good start, stick with it and good luck.  On the mornings that Danielle wakes after 11hrs (although she's awake for the day), she will sometimes want a feed and sometimes is happy to hang out for an hour, hard call.

LOL Kate at the loo - yep well call it that here too.  And congrats on the other tooth, Danielle's 2nd still hasn't broken through, her's seem to take a week but we don't seem to have any pain with hers (anti-jinx dance!). 

No real nicknames here either, my full name is Nicola but I've always been Nikki (well originally was Nicky, so that in itself was a name change) but I get called Nik by friends and family and various versions - Niks, nickster, nicky bicky...

Michelle and Traci, hugs for you both for your crappy night!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 15, 2006, 19:46:57 pm
Traci, thanks for the suggestion.  I will give it a try.  We have had a first this morning.  He woke at 5am and was crying instead of his usual playing. I have actually managed to get him back to sleep :shock: Fingers crossed.

congratulations on everyone teeth and crawling and standing.  I feel a bit embarrassed  :oops:  to say that we are expecting our 7th & 8th tooth here.  the two at the bottom (next to the front ones).  I am thinking maybe this is causing some difficulties too.  I think with James we just left him when it came to getting down from standing by himself.  He eventually worked it out.  Am I allowed to have a gloat?  I am very proud of him though, after about 2 weeks of teaching, he has finally learnt to go down BACKWARDS off the lounge. WOOHOO  :). 

In regards to work, we have decided that I won't be going back to work - I would only want to go back for 2-3 days and after childcare fees, it just isn't worth it.  I also couldn't be guaranteed to get back in time to collect James.  So anyone wiht childcare problems, please feel free to drop them here. :P

Have a lovely day ladies

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 15, 2006, 20:08:12 pm
just a quick post and i'm off for nap.

good to see you hanging around more hannah.  looking forward to even more tomorrow!

Cathy-I just had to hold cole to sleep for his nap. I let the cot olympics go on too long and he melted down.  anyway, while in my arms he seemed to be doing the ear foldover thingie too.  I think the pain from their mouths refers (if that's the right word) to their ears.  so maybe your little guy has learned to ease his pain a bit.  now, if cole would just do that in the middle of the night!

Anyhoo girls, went for a walk and a visit at a friends place. sooo nice to GET OUT.  she made me lunch and I had the most awesome squash soup.  gave some to cole and he LOVED it.  The meaning of this story is that it is freaking COLD outside.  Now that I think about it, my little guy was probably cold last night.  I'm sure that's not all of the issue, but certainly could be a contributing factor.

forgot to mention nikki-LOL about nathan cleaning up now!  that's terrific :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 15, 2006, 21:01:24 pm
Nickster, sounds like you've got plenty of nik-names!

Michelle, sorry to hear about your bad night, sounds like something is definitely up though.

Andrea, we tried W2S but to not much avail. To be honest Daniel stopped his early wakings by himself. He used to wake between 5-5.15am, I would feed him and try to put him back to bed, sometimes he would sleep, sometimes he wouldn't. When we made his night time sleep later (7pm instead of 6.30pm) he started sleeping until about 6.00am. Then it slowly crept out to 6.20ish. When he woke at that time, we would leave him as long as we could playing / talking to himself, now we go to him any time after 6.45am. But at first we couldn't do that, I would have to go to him straight away. By leaving him a few minutes at first, then just slowly extending how long we left him, he seems to have adjusted his wake up time to be a bit later again. I think closer to 6.45am. And now, I don't know when he wakes up but I first hear him between 6.50 - 7.10am.  :D I NEVER thought this would happen, but it did. HTH.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 15, 2006, 21:05:31 pm
Oh, meant to ask you girls who are having problems with your LO's pulling themselves up on the cot bars but not getting down. Do they also pull up onto lounge suites/furniture etc? If so, do they drop down from there or do you help them down? Reason I ask is so far Daniel isn't pulling up in the cot, but he does on the furniture. He knows to kind of bend of knees/let go and he will end up on his cute tush. So does this mean when he starts pulling up in the cot it is likely he will be able to get down there too???? Or is the cot a whole new ball game?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 15, 2006, 22:32:30 pm
Hayley thanks so much for the advice on W2S.  I am planning to give it a week and then just see how it goes.  Right now we cannot leave Taylor at all because she is too worked up.  That is what tells me that she is not ready to get up and is still tired.  Before when she would wake at 7 or after she would babble and play with herself too.  I will keep your suggestions in mind and might come back to them if in a week things don't work out.
BTW, so sorry to hear that you are still having trouble with the food issue.
And regarding pulling up, I think as long as he is letting himself down on the furniture, you should be A ok for the cot.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 15, 2006, 22:37:58 pm
We're back! Olivia did so much better than our last trip. We did bath and everything before we left (around 7:00), so she slept the whole way there (2.5 hours). It took her about an hour to get back to sleep once we got there. (MIL had pack'n'play all set up for us, so we just walked in and tried to put her back down, but she woke up too much.) Once she went to sleep, however, she slept all night!!! She did great Sat...took 2 good naps, and we did the same coming home--got ready for bed then she slept the whole way home. It took her about an hour to go back to sleep again, but she slept the whole night again! Sooooo much better than Christmas!!!

OK, I've managed to catch up on the 7 pages or so...

TRACI--Thanks for the tip on "de-pantsing' them to help crawl. I think I'm going to have to try that. Liv is becoming a pro at the army crawl, but refuses to get up on her knees. As for Tylenol, when I know Liv is teething (and I'm sure that's why she's having problems sleeping), I will give her Tylenol before her morning nap (usually lasts through her second nap), then again before bed. It seems to help.

CATHY--wow! You are having a tough time! I'm confused, are the eye teeth the two on either side of the front two teeth, or the two on either side of the front 4 teeth (also called incisors)?

LISA--I am SO sorry for the loss of your beloved Smitty. What a terrible feeling. We had to put down our childhood dog when I was in college. I was so glad I wasn't around at the time, but was always sad that I didn't get to say good-bye. I'm already not looking forward to the day we lose our beloved Chester. Good for you getting a couple days with DH on vacation. You deserve it!

Could James' rough day just be due to all the craziness going on in your life right now...along with the stress? (I know Liv was entirely NOT herself for a few days when we got back from Christmas...and we had no pet issues to deal with.) That could also be contributing to your moodiness. I don't know about PPD, but I do find that I get VERY grumpy (especially at DH) when I haven't had sleep or "me" time. Just my thoughts.

ANDREA--Good for you working out! Does Taylor cry when she wakes up that early? Liv also started doing 6:00 or 6:30 wakings. Since she doesn't cry (she would just "talk"), I just leave her in her crib and she usually goes back to sleep until about 7:30.

RICHELLE--Yeah! for Sophie!!!

MICHELLE--HUGS!!!! for your rough night

Question: How much solids are you giving your LOs compared to baby food? I just give her a few bites of a couple different things, then pureed food. But I'm wondering if I should start giving  her more solids as she seems to REALLY be into feeding herself. Also, those of you doing 3 bottle/BFs. When and how did you go from 4 to 3? I know it's sometime after 9 months, but not sure when and how to go about it. Any suggestions?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 15, 2006, 23:55:09 pm
Hey Girls,

My hair is driving me up the bloody wall big time !!!!!!!!! I am trying to grow it. As you probably noticed in the christmas pic I posted (or maybe not   :? ) I am soooo tempted to cut it but I am almost past the yucky stage.I always had long hair but got it cut just before my 30th birthday So anyway need your votes.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 15, 2006, 23:56:24 pm
DANG IT ! I can't get the pictures to upload  :evil:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 16, 2006, 00:22:41 am
nancy, justa quick reply to your post.  I went down to 3 when james stopped drinking his mid morning milk but to keep up his milk intact, I increased it from 210ml x 4 to 240ml x 3.  Sometimes he drinks it all (there have been times I have even given him an extra 90ml at night and  :roll:  he has had it all).  Our routine now looks like this:

7am breakfast/milk  (I have been trying to introduce cows milk so in his cereal i use milk and he still has his formula to drink)
10:30am snack and water (snack can be fruit, crackerbread with hommus or vegemite etc)
12:30pm lunch/water
1:30pm milk
3/3:30pm snack/water
5:00pm dinner/water
6:30pm milk

Sometimes if he wakes before 6 and doesn't want to go down I give him his milk early and he can take upto an hour to drink it :roll:

With foods, I always give james finger food as well as mashed food to eat.  I find he concentrates better this way.  sometimes for lunch I even just give him sandwiches and veges like beetroot or cucumber and he prefers this. 

Hope this helps.

Had a slight achievement today, he didn't wake till 6:25am :D  :lol: so our routine is slightly different today

Have a lovely day


Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 16, 2006, 00:51:34 am
Bec - I vote let it grow!!  Even without seeing the pics.  If you've come this far... give it a little longer and then if you still don't like it once it's past the icky stage THEN cut it.  Otherwise you'll always be wondering.. and you've come so far...

Michelle - how's dh?  My dh had McD's at midnight after Zoe was born and then the next day woke and was SICK!!!  So much so he had to go home to throw up for the day only to come back and get ALL the sympathy and attention from the nurses.  Who cares about my vitals?  By all means check him! :roll:  Of course we did question the whole food poisoning thing when Sarah was born because interestingly enough - he was a bit sick again (not as severely!)  I think delivery stress and new baby stress and new responsibility stress is tough on the ol' guy.  Surprisingly he didn't throw up at all after the twins were born!

What else what else?  Yay for Sophie crawling.

Nicknames, nothing here that sticks across the board.  Dh has silly names for people that have no specific meaning.  For example he calls his brother 'gus' (his name is Brad) and his brother calls him gus too???  A guy he used to work with was Jimmy and this guy would call dh Jimmy too (men are so creative)  come to think of it dh calls himself Jimmy too (talks about himself in the third person sometimes - he's a quack now that I think of it "Jimmy had a busy day"??? ) this guy left the company though so we don't hear about either Jimmy much these days :lol:  But mostly he used to call me and all the female halves of our couple friends "miss ____"  Miss Judy, Miss Donna, Miss Nan and so on.  So much so that we all referred to each other that way all the time too - not too much anymore.  But a bit.  One of my friends and I used to email each other at work and come up with funny names to sign off - but it got to the point I had to spend too much work time thinking up funny names.  One she used once was Verkin Miassov - there were soo many others but see I've now spent the last 5minutes trying to THINK of them :roll:

Ok - off to do bedtime.  The older girls napped in the van at 4.30 when we were out so this should take, oh, a good solid 3 hours!!  Yeah well - 9pm is Desperate Housewives so it's gonna be "cya Chris!!" ;)
Title: ou
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 01:17:05 am
I've found Danielle a new teething toy!  I had a chilly bin ice pack from the freezer (you know those chiller block things) and had Nathan touching it because he's got hot itchy eczema on his hands and I thought it might help - anyway, it got left on the floor, I turned away and back and Danielle had moved up to it and had her mouth clamped around it for ages LOL.  :lol:  8)  And yuck for the icky boy hands stuff all over it... :roll:

LOL Judy at DH being sick when the girls were born, wonder why not with the twins... :wink:

Bec, I vote for growing your hair too, it's the hardest at the point you're at, you can do it!  And then change your mind if you want.

Nancy, we have finger food at every meal, sometimes it's only finger food she gets eg.

breakfast  - rice cereal, with toast and a few pieces of my rice flake cereal
snack - corn or rice crackers
lunch - today was watermelon and cucumber along with her yoghurt and rice cereal (yeah, not much thought on balancing her diet, but me and Nathan decided to gorge on feta and watermelon), but could be baked beans, cheese on toast etc
dinner - roast chicken meal as finger food with puree apple to finish

Hayley, Daniel should be quite able to get down in his cot when he decides to pull up if he's had lots of practice elsewhere.  You may just need to show him where to place his hands.  What I did with Nathan was dedicate a good 15mins play time in there the day he learnt to pull up, so he got a lot of practice out of his system and I got him to repeat it heaps.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 16, 2006, 01:26:20 am
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In regards to work, we have decided that I won't be going back to work - I would only want to go back for 2-3 days and after childcare fees, it just isn't worth it. I also couldn't be guaranteed to get back in time to collect James. So anyone wiht childcare problems, please feel free to drop them here. 

Careful what you offer Lisa - or Fraser might just land on your doorstep!!  :lol:  8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 16, 2006, 01:54:55 am
Andrea; good job i think with the w2s.  you should start seeing progress.  I'm sure she would have fallen back to sleep if the door hadn't creaked.

Nancy: I try to give some kind of finger food at every meal.  Mostly solids too. 
Breakfast: cereal, banana chunks, cheerios, shredded apple (not everything), pureed fruit, bottle
Lunch: shredded cheese, shredded apple, soft steamed veggies, pieces of meat, pasta bits, purred fruit, bottle
Snack: arrowroot cookie, babymum, bottle, fruit
Dinner: generally the same as lunch

Jack is going thru some major clingy phase right now!  :roll:   It's hard to get any me time lately.  I find myself hiding in the computer room to just get a couple minutes to myself. :roll:  :oops:
gotta go, someone getting cranky
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 02:09:57 am
Micky, you and I must be on the same wavelength!  While I was giving T dinner DH decided to sit there and read...so I snuck away while she was eating her finger foods to come in here!   :lol: Wonder how long before he notices I'm gone?

Nancy-really the only puree that T gets now is her cereal and yogurt.  Other than that it is all solids.  Lots of things she can feed herself and other things like risotto or couscous that I have to feed her.  She doesn't go for the purees at all anymore.

Lisa-DUH!  I forgot to tell you Congrats on deciding to stay home!  I am so happy for you and James and DH!  Hope you enjoy it.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 16, 2006, 02:10:37 am
Thanks so much guys for the HUGS and the concern about DH and Molly!! You guys ROCK!! I am just so emotional and exhausted right now, must get some sleep. Update below...

Traci - we don't have Lick's out here. I do remember it from Toronto though, mmmmmm their burgers were awesome!! Bet you don't think so anymore!

Kate - wooooo wooooo for Ryan's second tooth!!

Lisa - gloat away girl about James' and his figuring out how to get down in his crib, and going down the stairs (?!?) backwards - smart dude you got there!!

Bec - I too would vote on letting your hair grow!! You have gone this far, just leave it. Probably when it gets to a good length (all grown out) you'll have it cut again anyways!! That's what I always do. Never satisfied!


So, after a dreadful day I finally decided to bite the bullet and take her to emergency. Only an hour and a half of her screaming the hospital down and we finally get to see a Doctor. There were only 2 Doc's on staff as it is a small rural hospital. Yes, another ear infection!! Same ear!! :shock::shock: I have not heard back from my Doctor as far as a referral to an ENT for tubes so am going to call her tomorrow. It was about 3 weeks ago we asked for it, that's long enough to wait I think!!  :x

DH is just now feeling a bit better, eating chicken noodle soup. He still has a fever, just up to 100 now, was up to 102 earlier. I called the health line and they said that is normal with food poisoning!

Anyhow, thanks again ladies, so glad you are all in my life.  XXXXX
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 02:31:49 am
Nikki, so are you suggesting I show Daniel how to pull up?  Are you mad woman???? Just kidding. Actually I had kinda wondered if I should do that anyway, but didn't want to start something IYKWIM. How do they get down anyway????

Oh and Nikki, I was talking with a friend about putting teething rings in the freezer and she reminded of that movie Dumb & Dumber where the guy gets his tongue stuck on the icey pole! Since then I didn't put the teething ring in the freezer.

Lisa, how nice that you don't have to go back to work. At least you don't have to go thru the dramas of finding a day care.

Judy, interesting about DH and being sick. Maybe he realised you definitely needed ALL the attention when the twins came along. I couldn't believe when we got to the hospital when I was in labour, all RHys could think about once he knew I was ok (within reason, after all I WAS in labour) was could they set him up a bed so he could get some sleep. What's with that????? Ok so it was 2am. So??? And yes, I was given something to help me sleep, so I guess it was ok. :roll: Oh and LOL at DH's nick names for himself.

Nikki, what brand of rice crackers does Danielle have?

Had a good lunch with Daniel today, we had macaroni cheese (big person's version with milk) and DH and I ate at the same time too. Daniel did really well, ate the lot. So I"m pinning my hopes on dinner. We're having steak and salad for dinner at 6pm, and Daniel's having something out of a jar, that way I know it's nothing to do with my cooking/consistency. Let's see what happens. I've got my health nurse coming in the morning, so will talk with her about it too.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 02:46:11 am
Hi, a few posts happened while I was writing before.

Michelle, hugs to you and Molly ( and DH too) it can't be easy for MOlly  having an ear infection again. Definitely get on to your dr.

Andrea and Micky, that's great your LOs are eating finger food, Daniel just isn't into it. I wish he was.  :roll: Did you just offer it at every meal until they started eating or did they just suddenly want it one day and not the purees?

I've just tried putting my photos into photo bucket, so I'll see if I can now get them on here. Wish me luck. Of course, by now the talk about our lounges etc is over, but here goes....
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 02:49:56 am
Ahhhh, I don't get it...... :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Traci help.... I've set up the photobucket registration and I've put my two photos into it, now what do I do?

I can't copy and paste, don't know how to find the link.... it's all toooo hard. AHHHHHHH
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 02:57:58 am
BEC--I agree...keep growing the hair.

MICHELLE--another ear infection!??! I'm so sorry!!! HUGS for you!!

Thanks for all the tips on finger foods. I've been offering at every meal for awhile now and she seems to really have the hang of it. But she still eats 1.5 to 2 jars of puree at every meal. I'm wondering if I should start cutting back on that and offering MORE solids...any thoughts on it? For those who have stopped offering purees for the most part, did your LO just lose interest in purees, or did you transition them intentionally?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 02:58:50 am
HAYLEY--copy the image code from your Photobucket album into your post. (Hope that makes sense)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 03:02:53 am
Michelle, hugs to you and Molly and her poor ear!

Hayley, NO, don't teach him to climb up yet  :lol:.  He'll figure it out one day, what I mean is, when he does figure it out, THEN give him the practice at going up and down over and over to get it out of his system.  Basically, you just slide his hands down the rails and show him how to bend his knees and pivot at the hips if he doesn't automatically do that (Nathan let go a few times and clonked his head on the back rail  :( ).

Danielle just eats Nathan's crackers, unfortunately the plain ones aren't THAT plain (trident or there's another brand I buy), they seem to be salted, but she only has one a day.  But I think I read that you give cruskits?  That's what I gave Nathan at this age, only he can't eat them anymore, so I don't buy them.   We buy Corn Thins which are similar to those rice cakes.

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Oh and Nikki, I was talking with a friend about putting teething rings in the freezer and she reminded of that movie Dumb & Dumber where the guy gets his tongue stuck on the icey pole! Since then I didn't put the teething ring in the freezer.

That's what I thought too, I had a friend over and we both checked she didn't have her tongue stuck to it LOL, but fortunately it was moistened by that time, so not icy.  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 03:04:37 am
Nancy, I intentionally transitioned Danielle since she does well with finger foods.  She would still happily eat off a spoon I think, well she does with rice cereal, yoghurt and the odd meal I make.  Sometimes if I don't think she's satisfied with the foods she's had, I might top her off with rice cereal to fill her up.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 03:05:37 am
OK, I promise this is my last post. I know we're a little past this, but here's a picture of Liv's room and one of the bookshelf/toybox my dad made her for Christmas.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/nbackues/100_1037.jpg)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/nbackues/100_1405.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 03:06:29 am
CRAP!!! I forgot to reduce the size again!!!!  :oops: (OK, now this is my last post...for tonight!)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 16, 2006, 03:29:50 am
Nancy ! That bookshelf/toy box thingy is EXACTLY what I was trying to design in my crazy head the other day  :D  I can hear the Twilight Zone music right now ...............................
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 03:46:46 am
Hi, Nancy, I tried "Copy Image" while on the photo in photobucket, but when I then open the new post on this site and try to paste, the post option is greyed out.
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Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 16, 2006, 04:25:55 am
Hello everybody,

It has been a busy Sunday... 5 pages since I last checked :).

Michelle... sorry for your awful night with Molly and DH. It doesn't really make a difference that you know what caused it, does it? I hope Molly is able to see an ENT soon. Pressure in the middle ear like that is not comfortable.

Traci... sorry about your crappy night. BIG {{{{{HUGS}}}}} to you and I hope DH managed his presentation well.

Lisa... Yeah to James for learning how to back down off the lounge (is that the sofa or couch??) Congrats on your decision to stay-at-home too. I really wish I could do that but we just can't afford to right now. I guess we could but we would have to move into something smaller and with the prices of houses sky-rocketing out of control in Vancouver right now, that would mean that the smaller place would cost more than what we paid for our house 3.5 years ago. :shock: The housing market here is just nuts!

Jo... any luck with the childcare??

Hayley... good luck with the photos... looking forward to seeing them!

Nikki... Danielle has 8 teeth!? :shock: Really?  8) That's great! Did they seem to affect her sleep at all? I remember a long, long time ago, when Arwyn was sleeping through, that Danielle wasn't... was it due to teeth?

Hannah... nice to "see" you around. Will definately keep you posted on the Seattle trip plans. That is my motivation for sticking with this sleep training thing. I really, really want to go!!! I would love to meet you and we haven't been anywhere with this little one yet so... I am dying to get away!

Bec... let it grow! I know you already decided, I want a vote too!! :lol:

Okay guys... your opinion. We are down to a couple wakings before midnight and one after. The ones before midnight are easy now... just a few seconds of patting and saying, "Mommy's here." does the trick. I am continuing to feed at the 3-ish waking. SO... here is the question. I have several things to work on with Arwyn's sleep. I will list them in no particular order... which one would you work on first?

Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 16, 2006, 04:36:36 am
Forgot a few people and a few things...

Nancy... BEAUTIFUL nursery! I love the bookshelf/toybox unit... what a treasure for her ~ it will be so useful even into her adult years!!

Finger foods... Arwyn eats ONLY finger foods. She will not let me feed her anything via spoon except at breakfast (rice cereal) and sometimes not even that. She basically eats what we eat... but heavier on the pasta/bread side. She loves her veggies and fruit but will leave the meat. Drives us insane that she won't eat the purees... I have about 4 boxes (size of shoe boxes) in the freezer... and I keep them because I am ever hopeful she will eat them! I have made the congee but she won't eat it anymore... I keep trying to sneak in the purees during brekkie in her rice cereal but she doesn't really like it.

Macaire, Jody... where are you??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 05:08:09 am
Yikes Ankie, no Danielle is only getting her 2nd tooth.  I did read that one of the baby's was.....was it James/Lisa?

OK, sounds like you're on the right track and know what you need to do  :wink:, my feeling is, is to get rid of the pat/shsh for naps and bedtime.  With the idea that once she's completely going to sleep independently on her own where you can put her in bed and walk away and she self-settles, then I think that those other random wakings in the night will disappear on their own since she would have learnt to self-settle.  If they then don't disappear once she's falling asleep by herself then I'd work on the W2S.  So if you want to work on one thing first, I'd do bedtime (which you are), that is apparently the one that mostly affects night wakings.

Interested to see what the others suggest.  :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 16, 2006, 05:10:49 am
Quick post - I missed the vote on Bec's hair (would have gone with grow it too  :lol: )

So I'm gonna vote on Ankie's question.

I would say elimanate the patting at bedtime  :lol:   I have heard (and heard and heard) that the most important time to learn independent sleep (esp for the night wakings - and boy, have I had some experience and done some research there  :lol: ).

Childcare - the hunt continues........  Will let you know.  SO SO SO paranoid about it  :roll:

Chat later
Love me
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 16, 2006, 05:11:57 am
Nikki - SNAP  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 05:13:21 am
:lol:  Jo

Nancy, meant to say, love the colours and borders in Liv's room and the bookcase/toy box your dad made.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 05:59:58 am
Ankie - I'm with Nikki & Jo - eliminate the bedtime patting first.

Nancy, I love Liv's room and the bookcase is so cool. What a great idea.

Ankie, send your baby food my way please!  :lol:  :wink:

Dinner breakthru! (again - long may this breakthru last!). Daniel had his bottle at 4.30pm when he woke from his nap, then at 6pm we all sat down together for dinner. Well what a change, not a peep! No grizzles, no shaking the head, no protest, no squeezing the lips so tightly together not even a pin could fit thru, just YES YES YES. Daniel ate his food. Ok, so it was from a jar (I didn't want to push it!) but I don't care anymore. If it means he'll only eat jarred food for dinner then so be it. My plan is to do the same for the next few nights so I know he's eating happily, then I'll slowly reintroduce my food. Meanwhile, I'll try to keep him eating some of my meals for lunch. And, I'll eat with him then too. It's actually kind of nice to have dinner over and cleaned up so early in the night.

Ok, gotta go, but I'll be back with the laptop soon.....  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 16, 2006, 09:40:00 am
I am interested in your respones to Ankie question about pat/sh.  I still do this on occasion wiht james and I have also been trying to stop doing the pat, but I have found that he just rolls all around the cot.  I think I will have to try harder.  Ankie, have you tried mixing your puree's wiht rice, couscous etc?  this is what I did for James when he started eating lumpier food.  At least it got rid of it. 

Yes, it is James who has 6 teeth and I think another 2 on the way.  We had our 9mth check today and I asked the nurse about how come he has started screaming at sleep times.  She said he could just be "asserting his authority" which got me thinking "is there a difference between screaming for attention/bad temper, and being scared of being left alone"?  sometimes these do sound very similar :cry: .  This nurse also recommended using cows milk in cereal and all cooking for him, but to leave drinking it till 12mths.  Scary to think this is only about 10 weeks away :shock:

Jo, the offer is there if you get really stuck with childcare even if it is just for a short term till you work things out. 

Nancy, love the room.  It makes me want to get more involved in James' room.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on my loosing our dog.  Still seems strange that he is not at my feet at the moment, looking like he never gets fed and wanting his dinner! :D  :lol: You could set your watch by that dog.

We had a better day today - nap #1 went down with a little crying but self-soothed.  Nap #2 didn't happen as we were out - he had 10mins in car but I did get him down by 6:40pm only with a little assistance. 

Have a good night everyone

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 16, 2006, 14:07:30 pm
HI everybody!

Ankie - I also second Nikki etal. regarding the patting.  Once Arwyn is a pro and comfy with falling asleep completley on her own all else will fall in behind.  Oh and it is Sophie that has 8 teeth!

Michelle - My goodness that poor little girl!  Hugs to you and your DH, yuck, I had food poisoning once, OMG soooo nasty!  Get some rest!!

Bec - Shave it off!  JK, I say let it grow, the icky stage can;t last forever!

Lisa - James is a smart cookie huh?  Congrats on your decision to stay home 

Nancy - great room and that chest is great!!  Sophie lost interest on her own in the purees.  I still give her some puree veggies at lunch and dinner if I don;t have any veggies done - she still doesn;t mind them as long as she is eating something herself at the same time!

Hayley - There are three small windows of code underneath your picture.  Highlight and copy the one named 'image' and paste it into the body of your post not the add attachment area. HTH 

Traci - Hope you had a better night!

Well, I am officially the WORST mom ever!  Sophie was of course EVERYWHERE this AM once she got up.  I was making her brekkie and thought to myself jeez it is quiet and noticed Sophie had her head stuck behind the couch.  I pull her out and she looks all pleased with herself - I look behind the couch, there is nothing there?  I go and carry on with brekkie.  I come to get her from the living room and there is blood running down her chin from her mouth WTF :shock:  and she is chewing on something so I go into her mouth and pull out a PIECE OF GLASS!  She wasn't cryin or didn't or doesn't seem bothered that she cut her mouth!  Could you imagine if she had swallowed it, Lord love a duck.....deep breaths...Honestly I will be cleaning the house and corniers for the 3rd time since Friday, I thought my house was clean.  Anyway, I am cleaning so I am sure I will be on here before long...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 16, 2006, 14:52:09 pm
again, i'm posting as i read so i might dupe some replies

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So does this mean when he starts pulling up in the cot it is likely he will be able to get down there too????
hailstones...i think the trouble with cole is that it freaks him out to be standing in the crib. i think he stands before fully awake and then it scares him a bit.

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I am soooo tempted to cut it but I am almost past the yucky stage
bec-i don't think you ever posted a long hair pic for us to compare.  if you're nearly there i say stick it out a bit longer while we decide your best course of action :wink:  ooooh, just realized you're trying to post...maybe they're further along in the gabillion pages i need to read.

Nancy-not sure about solids either.  is one piece of cheesy toast enough followed by fruit?  it's a whole new ballgame from here. LOVE the toybox and her room is beautiful.  i saved the pic to show DH so we can build one for cole.

Lisa-good to hear James is getting back on track.

Michelle-big hugs to you and molly and dh.  gosh, i'd put a push on the tubes...that's just not right to make a baby suffer like that.  good luck...

Hayley-there are three codes below the pics.  you want the image code.  be sure that you copy all of it...not just part.  copy and past that code into your post.  HTH

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I lost my pony Sunny last year (I got him when I was 13yrs old)
bec-i know it's long after the fact, but sorry for your loss :oops: that must have been so hard. 
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I thought about it and I am starting to eliminate the patting at bedtime already... tried it tonight and it took us 25 minutes of PD with no patting and minimal singing. I guess I could work on two at a time and do the 11 pm W2S as well??? What do you guys think? Or should I stick to one thing at a time?
those were the two i was going to suggest.  sorry, running out of reading time...but WAY TO GO...great work Ankie!

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I come to get her from the living room and there is blood running down her chin from her mouth WTF  and she is chewing on something so I go into her mouth and pull out a PIECE OF GLASS! She wasn't cryin or didn't or doesn't seem bothered that she cut her mouth! Could you imagine if she had swallowed it, Lord love a duck.....deep breaths...Honestly I will be cleaning the house and corniers for the 3rd time since Friday, I thought my house was clean. Anyway, I am cleaning so I am sure I will be on here before long...
OMG OMG OMG richelle.  how is she?  gosh oh gosh that must have been scary.  i broke a bowl a few weeks ago and i was finding shards of glass FOREVER.  i was on my hands and knees for an HOUR looking for them too.  oh my-hope she's okay.

girls-crappy night is the best way to say it.  my fault 100%.  He fought me for second nap til 3:05 so i let him sleep til 4:30. that got him down for 7:45 which i KNOW is too late.  I KNOW i should have woke him at 4 but i was sleepy, he was sleepy.  *sigh*.  he woke every HOUR starting at 12:30.  oh, and when the phone rang at 9:00 as well.  hasn't done that for a while.  first few times he settled in 5 min. without my help.  i stayed in the room to be sure and fell asleep in the glider so you can imagine the quality of my sleep.  20 min. in glider, 20 min. on couch for a few hours time, sheesh.  i didn't wait long enough for the 3:30 waking though and then took til 4:20 to get him to sleep.  up at 5:30, fed, up at 6:30.  thank goodness he didn't wake at 5:45 or something.  anyhoo, like i said, my fault.
i just put him down 7 min. early for nap because he was exhausted (understandably).  hope i don't pay for it with a 45 minuter.

lost my connection last night so off to the nap board now for me.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 14:58:11 pm
BEC--Lucky you having family close by. I wish we had at least some family close by to watch Liv at times. It makes it difficult to find someone to leave her with since we have no family around. Good luck with the job. I hope it works out for you! That's crazy about you trying to imagine the same bookshelf design...there it is for you!

HAYLEY--Highlight the text in the "image code" box on Photobucket and copy (either by right clicking, or using the "Control, C" keys), then open a reply post window on the forum, right click in it, and click "Paste." That should work for you. YEAH!!! for Daniel's great dinner again!! Liv always eats her meals with us. I wanted to introduce the family meal time early, and she loves being at "the table" with the adults.

RICHELLE--How scary for you!!!! I'm glad Sophie wasn't hurt too badly. Stuff like that just makes my skin crawl and makes me want to never leave Liv's side. I know something will happen to her someday, but I'm so dreading it. Good for you for remaining calm...you seem so held together over the whole thing!

THanks for all the tips and advice on finger foods. I think I will start introducing more of them until she loses interest in purees. She still takes the jarred stuff, but I want to start moving her to more and more solids.

Speaking of...better go make breakfast! Later, girls...have a good one!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 14:59:22 pm
Oh, and thanks for all the compliments on the nursery and the bookshelf. I was really pleased with how the nursery turned out, and I'm so proud of my dad for the bookshelf/toybox combo! Glad I got to share them with you guys! Hayley, did you get your photo situation figured out?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 16, 2006, 15:30:56 pm
Hi ladies!
Well, I'm sitting in the middle of a disaster right now!  DH and I decided to do some reorganizing/rearranging this weekend, so we pulled everything out of about 4 different closets and most of the books off of our bookshelves -- needless to say, most everything is still all over the place and not so much of it has found its way to its new home -- getting there though.  Finally packed away some college texts that I haven't looked at in years - just can't bear to throw them out just yet!

Ankie - I agree with the other ladies and would totally work on bedtime first.  I totally hear you about housing prices!  NJ is crazy like that - we rented for the first three years we were here, just thinking that the housing prices would go down - eventually - and then just kept going up and up and up until we just gave up and bought our house.  We just keep thinking we have to move to a different part of the country so we can actually move to a bigger house when we have more kids. 

Lisa - Glad to hear James seems to be headed back in the right direction.  Good for you on staying home! 

Jo - When you start Fraser in daycare, I would make sure that the place where you leave him is ok with you dropping in periodically - maybe DH could stop by randomly or you could - that way you know that whatever they're doing when you drop off/pick up isn't just for show?  Katie's center encourages parent visitation - DH works in the building next door, so he stops by on occassion - makes you feel better to see them in action, so to speak.

Bec - Grow your hair!  That way, you would have done it and you won't be what iffing.

Michelle - sorry about the yucky night.  Hope Molly's ears feel better soon and you get your ENT referral.  Katie's only had one ear infection, but it was someting I definitely wouldn't want to go through multiple times (or wouldn't want her to go through - it's so rough for them!).

Nancy - love the nursery and the bookshelf!  Nice work by your dad!

Richelle - Oh how scary!  Hope Sophie is ok. 

Traci - sorry about your yucky night.  Hope things go better tonight.

Nikki - Interesting to hear about Danielle and the solids.  We've been working on less purees, more finger foods, but I'm always worried she's not getting enough fruits and veggies.  It's so much easier to just feed her two jars of veggies and know she's good for the day for vegetables!

Katie has lots of teeth too - 7 right now, we'll see if more are on the way.  She's got loads of teething symptoms and a nice bump where one of her molars should come in, but she's been sleeping well at night (anti-jinx dance) so I don't think we're quite there yet because she never sleep well when she's teething. 

Oh, and the standing  :roll:  (yes Ankie, eye rolling is highly necessary with our LOs sometimes, even though we love them to bits).  We're working on getting down.  Every time I put her in her crib right now, she stands up until she starts screaming.  Then I put her down and she stands up again.  We did this at naptime yesterday for about a half hour and I gave up and brought her back downstairs and she played happily for awhile.  Finally, after lunch she was nearly falling asleep in her high chair, so I put her in bed - at 12:30 and she woke up at 8 AM!  She did take a nice 2.5 hour nap though and bedtime was ok, so right now she almost has to be too tired to move in order to go to sleep.  We'll get lots of practice in today!  OK, enough about us, sorry to babble on for so long!  Hope all is well with everyone else!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 16:37:17 pm
TRACI--((((((HUGS!!!!)))))) for your rough night. Hang in there, it can't last forever, right? (Even though it sometimes feels like it.) You are a trooper and a true inspiration for the rest of us!

ERIN--I agree with you on the solids...hence all my questions concerning the subject. I'm sure Liv would be OK to just eat solids, but it's so much harder to know if she's getting enough...especially fruits and veggies!!!
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Post by: sophieandhannah on January 16, 2006, 17:51:11 pm
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Post by: sophieandhannah on January 16, 2006, 17:53:27 pm
what's up with the pics not working???
More later....
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 18:04:06 pm
OK, here are the fruit and veges I give Danielle as finger food (she also gets a can of apple puree a day because it's yummy) - I don't do any other store brought foods, so instead of making her a pot of mixed mashed veges, I just started serving them whole - not all on one day, but balanced over the week is fine.

Canned peach slices sliced thinly
Cooked carrot sticks
Brocolli florets
chunks of potato/kumura (sweet potato)/pumpkin
Avocado cubes
banana strips
Cucumber slices
Very thinly sliced raw apple
Courgette (zucchini) slices or strips

I have some frozen plum puree in the freezer that I sometimes add to her rice cereal.  Yesterday she had chunks of watermelon too.
That's all I can think of for now.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 16, 2006, 18:52:37 pm
Erin... just read your post... Katie sleep from 12:30 (lunch) until 8 AM???? Hmmm.... sleep deprived? :wink:

Traci...{{{{{HUGS}}}}} girlfriend. Hang in there. Get some sleep today and try again tonight. It is sooooo hard to sleep train when sleep deprived. I am crossing my fingers for you today & night.

Micky... where are you and how is that kitchen coming along? Hope you and Jackson are surviving the reno okay.

About the solids/finger foods discussion... I am not too worried about Arwyn's intake of fruit and veggies... I just continue to put them on her tray until she starts to leave them there. Then I know she is done. Funny girl, she likes her fruits and veggies the best. She will leave the chicken &/or tuna/crab cakes there and only eat one piece once in a long while. Also, I think that eating the fruit or veggie itself is more filling than the pureed stuff due to less water in it. I am not sure... her doctor is not much help, telling me that whatever she eats is fine. :roll: So... I am just playing it by ear. We are down to basically no spoon fed stuff except for at breakfast time (and that is will many "forbidden" object toys :roll: ).

So... working on getting yogurt into her... perhaps I will try it as a lunch time dessert. We'll see... I feel kinda like she should eat it, seeing as I have like, 12 containers of various kinds of yoghurt left in the fridge. (I went overboard and bought 4 different kinds.)

Okay... our night... I feel so refreshed, I got 4.5 hours of sleep in a row!! She woke at 10:09 due crawling into a corner (DH resettled with repositioning and patting), did W2S at 10:55 pm and she slept until 1:40... patted for 20 min, PD once, patted for another 15... getting more upset so... fed her and she slept until 7 am!!! I am seeing the light, girls!!! Thanks so much for seeing me through this very long haul and supporting me in all the little baby steps. I will work on no patting to sleep again tonight. I am sure it will take less time tonight than last. Fingers crossed!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 16, 2006, 19:01:19 pm
Ankie - Good work!!  Fingers crossed she gives you an even better night!  And NO, Katie did not sleep for 20 hours!  She had woken up at 8 AM.  She FINALLY went down for her nap at 12:30 and woke up again just after 3, so a 2.5 hour nap.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 16, 2006, 19:12:04 pm
Yeah Ankie!!!  I knew Arwyn could do it!!  I think also that you should work on getting rid of the patting first (I know you already decided this but I had to add my two cents.  :wink:  :roll: )  Even if you have to have a firm hand on her bum/side, then wean that to no touching, etc.  BTW, I'm usually lurking trying to keep up with the thread, unless some kind of enlightening moment strikes me....I usually keep quite until chat night1   :wink:  :shock:  Then all he!! breaks loose. :lol:   The kitchen still isn't done!  :roll:   But at least my FIL came over on Friday to hook the sink back up.  I can not wait until it is done!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nancy: I LOVE the toy/bookshelf you dad made for you! I would totally put in a order for one of those.  I've been trying to find something just like that for ages!  As for finger foods, I started with offering cheerios and Gerber fruit puffs to jack.  Then shredded cheese and shredded apple.  I did some avocado cubes dusted with arrowroot grated up (easier to grab) and chunks of banana.  And very well done pasta (rotini-more texture to grab).  I've also given him wedges of very ripe pear, and chunks of cucumber that he grates little bites off.  Oh yeah, he also likes tomatoes especially if he gets the juicy seed part...I just make sure that I wipe his face well after tomato so that the acid doesn't hurt his skin.

Well, I think I jinxed myself bragging about Jack waking at 8:30 am....he's now back to his 6:45 am waking.  :roll:   Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 16, 2006, 19:15:38 pm
Hooray for Ankie!!!
Seattle here you come :)

BTW
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How about an older boy who runs around in the buff scratching his "testicles"?
ROTFLMAO Nikki!

Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 16, 2006, 19:18:25 pm
ankie-WOO HOOOO! You go girl.   Cole and I are on a better schedule today so i'm hoping for a good night.  I think he might have been cold on saturday and the temps plummeted and he didn't have pants on under his grobag.

nikki-thanks for the list.  i tried chunked banana today-no go. tried tuna though and he liked it and he's great with his cheesy/eggy toast.  you don't find cucumber choky?  just seems like a choky food to me.
also, did you or someone else mention corn?  would you feed corn or peas b/c they seem choky too...

cold had squash/onion/sweet potatoe/curry soup yesterday and loved it.  my girlfriend made it for lunch and i gave him a few spoons.  cathy-it was dairy free so i'll ask for the recipe.  OH-actually, her and her DH are on a homeopathic diet for 28 days with no dairy...so i'll ask what other types of things they've been eating.  d'oh-didn't even think about it yesterday.

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I did some avocado cubes dusted with arrowroot grated up (easier to grab)
brilliant idea...maybe i'll try that!

i should be napping so off i go.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 16, 2006, 19:22:31 pm
Traci, I give her a very fine slice of cucumber (not a chunk) and split one side so it kind of become a string, she sucks off all the inner bit and then the skin breaks up into small bits that she either spits out or swallows.  (Um, bad choice of words  :shock: ).

I haven't done peas and corn yet, but baked beans are similar I guess, to start I kind of squashed them, now I leave them whole and she mashes them up.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 19:27:41 pm
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/reeholio/LoungewDaniel12Jan9months.jpg
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 19:28:56 pm
ok, so it kind of worked. NOw how do I not make it a link, but an actual photo?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 20:07:52 pm
Ok so just realise if I use the insert image tag it will put the photo in, but how do I make it smaller, it's gynormouse!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 16, 2006, 20:22:44 pm
Good work, Hayley!  Man, is your house clean or what?  Daniel looks so happy!  (Love the "new" avatar...have been meaning to say that for a long time.   :oops: )

Way to go, Ankie!  Where is that Mummy of the Week award, now?   :lol:   Send it over to Vancouver!!!

Traci, (((Hugs))) to you again.  So glad you are not giving up and can figure out what went wrong to correct.  Here's wishing a GREAT night for all!   :D

Richelle, OMG!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:   You are a very brave mommy to deal with that.  Don't beat yourself up about it.  It'll happen to all of us at some point.  Good thing you noticed the silence when you did.  No major harm done!  Extra (((Hugs))) for you!

Thanks for some more fruit/veg ideas, girls.  And, whoever said that real fruit/veg is probably more filling...BRILLIANT!  Never thought about it like that.  I, too, am stressing about how much Ryan is eating, but if I really think about it, he's eating a TON of food.  The thing is, he is enjoying his finger food, but he still eats 4-8 oz. of purees or cereal in addition to the finger food.  That is a lot of food to replace with finger food, no?
Ankie, we are giving yogurt as his after nap #2 snack.  I'm doing 3 bf's now (am, about 1:30-2, and before bed), so thought that would be a good way to get more calcium in and fill him up until dinner.  He cries every day when the yogurt is gone, though.   :?   It's 4 oz. size.  I don't think he needs more than that for a snack, right?  He also gets some sort of finger food...usually some fruit.  My little piggy!   :roll:  :D

Nikki, the other day, Ryan laid down on one of his teddies and was trying to get up, but it looked like he was getting friendly with it, IYKWIM, and I just flashed back to Nathan and the sheep and started laughing out loud.   :wink:   The "testicles" reminded me again.

Off to mop and finish some laundry folding.  Getting it in and dried isn't that big of a deal, but folding and putting away seems to take all week.   :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 16, 2006, 20:23:35 pm
Hayley - click on the EDIT button and if you do 75 or 50 it will re-size it.

Ok, my mom thinks I should call the doctor about Sophie chewing on the glass.  My ped's office is closed therefore I would need to call the hspital or her emergency line.  She seems fine and I can;t find the cuts in her mouth.  To be honest I am not THAT concerned and maybe a little but embarassed to call my Doc after hours?  Any thoughts??
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 16, 2006, 20:33:56 pm
nikki-thanks for the tips re: cucumber and beans.  forgot about the beans, i'll do those next!

richelle-kind of a tough call.  if she doesn't seem in pain then i'd think she was alright...but your ped may want to put her on something to reduce any potential risk of infection?  better to be safe than sorry perhaps.

we've had a 50 min and 1:10 naps today.  I was really hoping for 1.5-2 hours for the second.  he'll be up close to 4 hours before bed now.  oh well.  not to mention that i just can't seem to sleep during the afternoon nap.  i lay there and rest but seems like such a waste of time when there is laundry, dishes, tidying etc to be done :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 20:47:28 pm
ANKIE---Yeah!!!! Wooo-Hooo!!! Doing celebration dance complete with high kicks for you and your sleep! Here's hoping it only gets better!!

MICKY--Good to "see" you back. Thanks for the solids info...and the compliment on the shelf. I talked to my dad this morning and told him all my "online" mom friends love it. He said that made him feel really good.

HALEY--yeah! for your picture! LOVE your house, especially the picture over the fireplace. I love that pic.

RICHELLE--That is a tough one. I'd probably be tempted to not call if she seems OK, but Traci's right...better safe than sorry. Better to be a little embarrassed now than to regret not calling later.

TRACI--That is the worst when you are so tired and can't sleep for thinking of all the things you need to get done. Good for you for at least trying to rest. Sometimes I try to read a book and if I'm tired enough, that will help my brain relax enough and before you know it I can hardly keep my eyes open! Hope you get some rest soon!

KATE--I'm with you on the solids vs. puree...Liv's still taking 4-8 oz of puree as well. I'm trying to gradually reduce purees and increase solids. I guess she'll let me know if she's not getting enough.

OK, funny...I'm in our office on the computer and Liv is playing in her room (right next to the office) suddenly, I look out the door of the office and see she's crawled out of her room and is heading for the office to find me.....she's too cute!!! Gotta grab her before she heads for the stairs...later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 16, 2006, 21:46:01 pm
Okay, I tried resizing but it's still HUGE. So, here's the link for now. Maybe I need to save it smaller in the first place. I'll give that a go. But in the meantime.....

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/reeholio/Danielsroom.jpg

I've just had my health nurse here and she's given me some very helpful info on Daniel's eating (or lack of). She says he's drinking far too much formula. He's having over a litre a day plus other sources of milk like yoghurt cheese etc, so wayyyy too much. No wonder he doesn't want to eat real food. She's suggested dropping back to 3 x 180ml bottles and 1 280ml to end the night. Then reduce down again to 120mls x 3 + night bigger bottle, or 2 x 180 + night. He should only be having about 600mls total milk/equivalent a day. Plus important to make sure he's having 1 serving of meat or egg per day. A serving is a flat size of his palm. This is important to prevent anaemia (sp?). If he becomes anaemic his brain won't develop properly, hinders development in general etc. Crikey, put the sh@ts up me lady!  :shock: I didn't realise how important it was. But the good news is luncheon sausage counts! So now I just have to get him eating that. She told me if he gets grizzly during play time he's probably hungry, give him a biscuit or fruit or yoghurt. THings like jam, and honey are ok now. I thought honey wasn't until 12 months, but no, apparently now 'they' think it's ok. I said I was trying to avoid giving him sugary things like jam, but she said the little he gets and with other stuff it's fine. They use up way more energy than we do, so need the calories. Have biscuits available to him to go and pick up and eat if he wants. I wasn't so sure of this as I don't want him to become a snacker, but she says if he needs it, it's better to be there, than go hungry.  :roll: I think I"d rather just offer him the food and if he doesn't want it take it away I think. I don't like the idea of snacking whenever. So, very interesting stuff. She said if we have muffins, give him some etc. Just make the food available.

Kate, I think Ryan would pass in my health nurses eyes! Sounds like he's doing really well and eating up a storm. This is what Daniel should be doing.

Daniel's now 75cm long and weighs 9.56kg (21lb 1oz). Apparently he's a little light for his length but increasing his solids should help here.

Enough about us....

Traci, I couldn't always sleep when I felt I should. Nancy's reading idea is a good one.

I think I need to go and find Richelle's post on the chewing glass, I seem to be missing something you're all talking about.

But Richelle, from what I can gather, yep, I'd be calling the doc.

Ankie, that's great news. 4 hours straight, you must feel like running a marathon (yeah right!)

Ok, off to get Daniel's lunch ready. A friends coming over and we're taking our boys swimming so won't be back until much later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 16, 2006, 21:46:06 pm
Nancy - oh my gosh what a beautiful little girl's room!! Wish I was that creative. I love the bookshelf/bin holder/toy box!! Does your dad take outside orders?? He is amazing!!

Lisa - I think I forgot to say Congrats on being a SAHM! I know I just couldn't do it and I surely admire all those Mom's out there that do.

Bec - good luck on your job hunting. Great idea going to part time, that would be ideal!

Ankie - things look like they are turning around for you and Arwyn - that is awesome. You deserve a break after all these weeks! My suggestion would be to start with eliminating the patting first - both naptime and bedtime simultaneously. Then work on the 11 pm waking, then the 3 am waking?

Hayley - awesome news about Daniel and eating!! He just wanted to be social with Mom and Dad I suppose??   :lol:

Richelle - WTF with the piece of glass?? Holy cow girl!! I would have had a fit for sure. She is sure a trooper, didn't even notice it eh?? Good thing you noticed her chewing on something, they seem to find EVERYTHING at this age don't they??  I'm like you, I wouldn't be too concerned considering there isn't any cuts in her mouth. Does she seem out of sorts? Has she had a pee or poop?? My only thought would be if she did swallow a shard (OMG) then it has to come out right??  :shock:

Jo - I second Erin's recommendation on a daycare that allows/encourages you to drop in whenever you want to. Our daycare is just minutes away from work and their door is always open to us for even 5 minutes if we want or our entire lunch hour.

Mickey - where do you buy the Gerber Fruit Puffs?? I found the Vegetable Mum Mums at Safeway but have not found the Puffs anywhere!


Well, at work today. Kept to my commitment of reading the posts at least once a day at work  :lol:.  I am freaking exhausted today though so hoping this last 1.5 hours goes by fast!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 16, 2006, 22:27:15 pm
Michelle--I buy the Gerber Fruit Puffs at Wal-Mart supercenter and also Dillons/Gerbes. I don't know if you have those up north or not.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 16, 2006, 22:56:11 pm
Hayley, James had his 9mth check yesterday and he is pretty much the same as Daniel - James is also 75cm long but 9.24kg and James is a very big eater butg very active. 

I also thought honey was a no-no till 12mths, but i might give it a go now.  Cows milk on his ceral seems to be going down well. I have tried a little strawberry jam on toast when I was out of vegemite and he liked it.  It was only a tiny amount and I am sure he got rid of the sugar straight after breakfast :lol:

We had another good night - he woke around 8pm really crying so I think his teeth are bothering him.  We gave him some Nurofen and he settled again.  I didn't hear him till just before 6 but by 8:30am he was down for nap #1.  I am wondering if the heat is causing him not to be able to stay awake for longer in the morning?  I cannot see a "only one nap a day" happening for quite awhile.  I did buy a potty yesterday and we are going to try andput him on before his bath at night as he seems to do a wee as soon as we take his nappy off.  Has anyone else decided to try and do training at 9mths? :?

Thanks for the encouragement on being a SAHM.  AFter looking at our bank a/c today I was thinking that maybe I should go back, but I don't really think it will make much difference.  If I had family who could look after him, it might be different, but I have heard it is better for boys if you can avoid childcare till they are 3.   :shock:  :shock: It might be finanically tight for awhile, but at least I might have a bit more grounded boy on my hands.

I think someone was askig about corn/peas.  I use creamed corn from a tin and james likes it with tuna and rice.  It makes for a nice, cool, lunch when it is very hot. 

Hope everyone has a good night.  Take care

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 16, 2006, 23:12:41 pm
hi girls!

Michelle: I bought the gerber fruit puffs when I was down in California.  I don't think we sell any Gerber food products up here.  At least I haven't seen any in Edmonton.  Too bad because Jackson loves them.  I am going back in April.....if you want you can put in an order for them then if you still want molly to try them.  :wink:  I hope Molly is starting to feel a bit better!

Richelle:  ((((HUGS))))) I think I'd probably call too.  Just to be on the safe side.  I'd be kicking myself for not calling if something did end up going wrong.

I've thought of one positive of Jackson having to wear his hand splints at night.....he won't be able to pull himself up to stand until he learns to stand without grabbing on to something.  :D   So maybe.....(insert anti-jinx dance here) we'll be able to avoid that cause of night wakings.  :roll:  8)
Ok....here is our living room....very cluttered at the moment because YES our christmas tree is still up because we still need to open presents when DH comes home from work this weekend!  :shock:  :D This is also a pic of one of our dogs "Tiga".  She loves Jackson.  She lets him climb all over her and she just gives him kisses.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/mickymuscles/107_0754.jpg)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 16, 2006, 23:16:46 pm
p.s. --- that is the new kitchen sink in the background in the box.  :roll:   It's been sitting there next to the clutter collecting dining table for 2 months now!  :roll:  :roll:

Hayley: the link to your last pic turned out too small to see with the naked eye.  I don't have bionic eyes anymore.  :lol:  :shock:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 16, 2006, 23:27:12 pm
Well, I ended up calling the hospital and they said that if she was fine then everything was fine!  The nurse said there is not a person on earth who would swallow glass, even a shard and not 'complain' about it, phew...

Honestly what a monkey, I did figure out though that she must have found it in the sliding door track right behind the couch.

Hayley, your link brings up what I thought was a blank page but noticed a teeny tiny picture in the corner :wink:, better luck next time!  Here are the steps.

Your picture should have three areas on the top of it that read:  MOVE EDIT DELETE.  Click EDIT then hit 75 or 50% and it will resize, if you do this more than once it will keep resizing it even if it doesn;t look it in your album. 
 
Underneath there are 3 windows of text that read:  URL, TAG and IMAGE.  Move the cursor over the text on the IMAGE window and click to highlight the entire code.  Once highlighted, right click and hit copy, then paste directly into your post.  It will appear as text but once submitted will show as a picture.  If you have resized even 75% it shouldn't be enormous once posted.  HTH

Lisa - I bought Sophie a Potty for Xmas, ya I know, thanks mom!  We have started just sitting on it and getting comfy with it.  I thought I could start b/c Sophie literally went poo everyday after lunch.  She has now started going every 2 days and never at the same time but we are still sitting on the potty and having naked time mostly everyday!  Probably a bit premature but oh well...

Micky - did you get your puff's in the states?  I didn;t think Gerber was available in Canada.

Michelle - good lord I hope you get some sleep tonight, poor thing!

I should run, bath time nearly, hopefully 'see' you again tonight!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 16, 2006, 23:44:49 pm
Richelle.  Glad Sophie's OK.

Micky...beautiful living room :) And what a gorgeous dog (and Jackson's pretty cute too)

Thought I'd be a postin' all day long buuuuuttttt nooooooo.....

I am leaving for a conference in Seattle Tuesday night after LTGF goes to bed...won't be back til Thursday afternoon. 

I am really pretty calm but also really nervous at the same time...is that possible? 

I will be only about an hour away so if I had a total breakdown or something (more worried about myself then Sophie :oops: ) I can come home :roll:

The thing I realized today thought is that I am a little more worried about writing "sub" plans for Mike then I am for my actual substitute teacher :)  She is the same teacher who started the year for me...so the kids will be fine with her etc.  But dh?? Now that's another story.  I keep writing letters to him in my head like....so when you pack her a lunch make sure she has  1 protein, one veg, one fruit, finger foods, water etc etc etc....ad nauseum....you would think he had never fed a kid before the way I am treating him. Yikes.  It's just the control freak in me.  You should see our fridge right now...it has enough food to feed a family of about ten for a couple of weeks.  Wouldn't want dh to have to go GROCERY shopping or anything while I am away!!  Oh my.  I have truly lost it.

I am looking forward to the conference. and the shopping in Seattle :)  It will be my first overnight away from my lo.  sigh.  I'll be ok right?

Actually, you know you're addicted when you are more worried about how you are going to check the thread while you are away then how you are going to deal with being away (because of course dealing with being away is much easier if you can check the thread :) )

Just reread my post and I wrote the word "worried" about a million times...hmmm...think I might be uh ...a worry wart???

The other day I was in downtown Shelton on my way to pick up dh at work on the other side of town.  I started driving in his direction when all of a sudden it occurred to me that there might be a quicker way to get there then the route that I was currently taking so I called dh and said...the above...he just laughed and said "Honey...just drive, you'll get here".  I had to chuckle at myself.  So now when I start to get all wound up about things I think of Mike's voice...Honey just drive...kind of weirdly good advice huh?

I get so caught up in wanting to pu Sophie ASAP after work etc...sometimes I just have to slow down and drive :)

Anyhow...enough of the trials and tribs of a working mother....Michelle...you sleeping yet :) ??
Naomi??
(And all this from a woamn who had a three day weekend--HA!)
SO much more to say but gotta go start dinner.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 17, 2006, 01:09:25 am
Warning *LONG*

We have some exciting news!!!!  Carter slept through again  ... although he did wake up screaming twice!!!  However, by the time that I put clothes on he had gone back to sleep.  It's like he's saying, "Haha, did I scare ya? I still want to sleep but I wanted to make sure you didn't have a night without getting of bed momma!!"  Thanks!!  Also .... he's CRAWLING!!!!  He can go all the way across our family room (pic below).  Yesterday he couldn't even pull his knees up under him and now he's crawling!!!  Kinda excited ... kinda not  :D  :?   Have to see how much trouble he can get into!

Today was abit of a challenge though.  It's like my baby turned into a toddler overnight.  During diaper changes he kept rolling over and when I tried to turn him back over I got screamed at and smacked.  During mealtimes (normally a GREAT eater) the spoon was getting slapped away, food spit out and thrown at me and lots of angry yelling.  Have no idea what is up but am a little concerned! Any ideas ladies?  How do I deal with this?  I find myself getting angry because the more I tell him "no thank you" the more determined he becomes ... ugghhh  :(

Hannah:  Sophie will be fine without you for one night!!  She'll miss you like crazy though!!!  Have fun by yourself and do lots of shopping!!

Michelle:  Yuck about the food poisoning.  I had it twice and one of the times was in the middle of my honeymoon  :roll:  I hope Molly is feeling better soon!

Ankie:  I too am working on not patting Carter when he is going to sleep.  I find he doesn't mind anymore as long as I am standing right there.  If I leave before he is asleep then there are lots of tears.  I know what you mean about house prices!  Whew .. everything is expensive!!!  We had our house for sale in the summer and our realtor listed it almost $40 000 above what we payed for it.  We did do alot of reno's but the markets are high too!  Yeah for the good sleep!!  I bet you feel a hundred times better today!!

Richelle:  So glad to hear that Sophie is ok.  That would have freaked me out big time!!  It's funny that she was so nonchalant about it!  Silly girl  :D

Nancy:  That is a gorgeous bookcase!  Put me on the order list!!!  :D

Bec:  We need to see pics of long and short hair so we can decided!!   :D   Personally I say grow it out but that is only because I have never had hair shorter than my shoudler blades!!  Good luck on the job hunting.  I hope you find something that you will enjoy doing!

Traci:  I would love the soup recipe and any other ones that your friends can provide!!  BTW I found the Huggies overnights in Walmart in Windsor.  DH searched Target and Walmart in Detroit and couldn't find them.  It could be because he didn't look well enough .. after all I was the one who found them in Canada!!  We used them last night and we didn't have any "pee throughs".

Hayley:  Uh oh .. you got me all worried for a minute there!  Carter is over 30in which is about 77cm and he only weighs 18.5lbs!!!!  So if Daniel is underweight than Carter must be too  :shock:  :shock:   

Jo:  I am in the same boat as you in regards to daycare  :(   Here's hoping we can both find somewhere that we feel comfortable with.  I know there isn't much out there in this area.

Micky:  Awww I wish I still had presents to open!!  That's good news that DH is coming home this weekend.  I like the pic of your living room .. that's one big a** dog!!  Is she pure Shepherd??  I've only been attacked twice at work and they were both Shepherds!!!  I am pretty sure my 70lb dog is part shepherd too (he's a mutt) but we made up our own breed.  He's a Canadian Moose Hound!  We always get lots of questions about his breed when we cross over to the States! 

I was reading today and I learned that to help with iron absorption (for all of you who have concerns about it) to feed vit c foods with iron foods.  The Vit C helps the iron be absorbed better.  I usually give kiwi with Carter's morning cereal but papaya and oranges etc are also high in vit c.

 Now that almost all of us have posted pics of our living spaces what should we post pics of next?? I tried posting my family room again but it won't work argh!!!  I love seeing pics of everyone!  How about highschool pics or wedding ones (then we can see Dh's)!!!  We don't have to ... but I think it would be fun!!  :D  :roll:   Ok, I'm dorky!!

Oh ya .. nicknames!  I kept forgetting to post mine!  IN highschool and university it was monkeygirl!!  I used to wear this tight shirt with a picture of a really cute monkey on it.  So, some guys from my highschool started calling me monkeygirl and then when I went to University I got the same thing.  I still have the shirt but it definitely doesn't fit!!  When I played sports I always got called by my last name (not very creative)

Have a good night ladies!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 01:19:45 am
MICKY--adorable picture! I can't believe you haven't opened Christmas presents yet! I've almost completely forgotten about Christmas!

HANNAH--good luck on your night away. I'm sure Sophie and DH will be fine. You, on the other hand....well, just try to enjoy your evening and night to yourself.  :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 17, 2006, 01:27:40 am
Hi girls, sorry to not have written in so long.
I have not been feeling to good lately, kinda bummed out a little. No biggie tho, nuthin I can't handle.
It seems like I am not the only one who has their hands full with lo's.
Riley is crawling around in leaps and bounds......he personality has come right out since the beginning of the new year. She is soooo sassy and y.
The weight loss for me is going kinda good, I can see the weight going from certain places.....my belly has shrunk sooo much...wooo hooo. Still a ways to go, but still it is enough for me to feel good about and keep going.
Crap...Ri is awake, she is super grumpy as she has two of her top teethj coming thru. I will try and get back on tonite,
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 17, 2006, 02:38:04 am
Hayley-LOL at Daniels room.  It's just a spec :D   and i agree-your place is way too tidy!  You know, I was going to suggest he might be getting too much milk!  I only give Cole one boob now after second nap so that he's hungry enough for dinner and last feed.

Lisa-I want to start training with Cole but this kid poops all the time.  Not sure i want to sit him down after every BF and solid meal.  Also, want to talk to my caregiver...because if she won't continue it in April then not much sense me starting now.  Maybe before bath like you...guess that's a start anyway.  I was asking about corn/peas.  was wondering if people used them as finger foods.  good idea with creamed corn though.  i'll try that.

Michelle-Gerber puffs only avail. in the states.  I have people grab em up for me when they go to buffalo.

Micky-your dog is beautiful and Jackson is ooooooh so cute with that smile of his.  My place looks just like yours!  The clutter table anyway :wink:

Hannah-Have a GREAT time away.  Sophie and DH will be just fine.  And you know, if she doesn't get balanced meals, takes short naps,  doesn't settle well for bed...YOU don't have to worry or know about it.   Enjoy that for a couple of days.  DEEP BREATH.  It will be good for her and DH to have that time together too. 

Cathy-Holly told me she found the Overnights at Walmart.  WTF?  Wonder if they just became available.  I was at a baby show in October (or november maybe) and they said they weren't available here (this coming from the Huggies Marketing reps!)  No idea what's up with Carter!  OH my-I know I'd be frustrated if Cole was throwing stuff at me.  He grabs the spoon out of my hand so I have two spoons.  sometimes he'll grab every bite.  he'll put down one spoon and grab at the one I'm serving, i'll pick up the other and continue on and on.  He hasn't thrown food at me yet, but will drop it on the floor if he doesn't like it.  tonight we had ALL of the grated apple and avocado chunks on the floor.
As for diaper changes.  ha ha.  sorry, i have to laugh.  I have been wrestling with cole for 3 long months.  I have to pin his hips down to get a diaper on him. (so you can imagine how fun double diapering is)  and i have to button up his diaper shirt while he's standing up or crawling around the room.  I've tried toys, singing, talking.  I just can't get this kid to stay still. *sigh*

Naomi-great to see you!  very exciting about miss Riley.  what was that word you wanted to use? sassy and ?????
That's great about the weight loss!  keep it up girlie...it's awesome that you walk to and from work.  great exercise and a great way to clear your mind!

well-cole went down without so much as a peep at 6:55.  I couldn't keep him up.  He was crying during his last feed, soooo unlike him!  DH dropped cutlery on the floor at one point putting dishes away and cole cried, but settled himself.  I've heard grumbling...but he's still down nearly 3 hours later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 17, 2006, 02:39:46 am
Hi Everyone,


Richelle - glad Sophie is OK  :shock: have a drink and calm down  8)

Just popped on to ask a quick question : ANKIE just wondering when you are doing the pat/shh with Arwyn, is she crying?? I never did PU/PD with Halle because she is too spirited. I used to do pat/shh but the second she stopped crying, I stopped patting. Then start again if she cried etc etc. It started to work when I used that method HTH  :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 17, 2006, 05:22:38 am
Richelle... OMG... Glad Sophie is alright. I couldn't believe it when I read your post!!

Micky... I like your living space... it looks very cozy, especially with the Christmas tree up... have a great time opening presents with DH!

Traci... doing the anti-jinx dance with high kicks for you and Cole tonight!

Bec... I was patting during and after the crying. Arwyn would be crying hard and I (or DH) would pat hard and she would settle down. If we stopped patting, she would start to cry again. So... duh... I finally figured out that falling asleep on our shoulder wasn't the prop, the patting was.

Okay... tonight, she went down in 15 minutes, no patting, only my hand on her back. And, I left 1 minute after I thought she fell asleep. SO... we are slowly getting better... it was 25 minutes yesterday.

I am also trying to eliminate the patting and such at naps but here is what happens. I put her in her crib and she is happy so I leave. About 20 minutes later, she is starting to get really annoyed that she is not asleep and starts to cry. Within a minute, the crying gets pretty desperate. I go in, PD and then pat. I know I could stop patting but then that means that her nap gets pushed back more and more, KWIM? And at the moment, night sleep is more important so I need her to have her proper naps at the proper time so that bedtime is preserved... am I making sense? I want the night sleep to be more independent and then hopefully, I can get the naps under control within a week of that!

Okay... I am taking deep breaths because my neighbour asked me today, when I was going back to work... I counted and I am going back, 10 weeks to the day, today.  :shock: Yikes, where did all the time go? Surely I haven't been off almost a year?? :cry: I really want to stay home with my baby... maybe forever... okay, not forever but for a good long while, anyway.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 17, 2006, 08:44:18 am
Thanks for the tips on the photo, I'll try AGAIN once I've written my post. When I look at it, the photo is fine so not sure what's going on. I think I'll have to resave it though, so need the other computer, which DH is on, so maybe tomorrow.

Hannah, we'll be okay, we will miss you, and if we do cry, it's because we love you....but we'll be okay  :wink: Oh I meant Sophie will miss you  :wink:

Ankie, Daniel started doing the same sort of thing, playing for a while then started screaming / crying very loudly/protesting, when he needed to be up longer awake time. By increasing it by about 15 mins at the time helped. Normally I've been putting Daniel down at 9.30am and he drops of to sleep by about 9.50-9.55am (cot olympics first). But thismorning when the nurse was here, I put him down at 9.45am and he was asleep at 9.55am. So, this makes me think unless he's really grizzly tired, he can probalby stay up longer (b@gger!). Although, he's happy in there, so I might keep at 9.30am  :wink:  :oops: Is that naughty?

Micky, I like your photo, Jackson looks like a little boy, not a baby any longer.

Traci, have you still got the mummy award? You need to put it on your table to remind yourself what a great job you've done. yay! Well done lady. Oh I forgot to mention when I told you guys my nick names that DH sometimes calls me Monica (from Friends). Yes I'm a neat freak! I do have the odd little place that's allowed to get messy, until I clean it up. But for now, at the end of each Awake time/play session, I pick up the toys. Usually.

Naomi, how cool that Ri is crawling, she's probably been practising when your back was turned. :D

Ok, I'll try posting my lounge picture again, but putting it in the text. Just a practice one. Then tomorrow I'll do Daniel's room.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 17, 2006, 08:47:00 am
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Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 17, 2006, 12:14:14 pm
Richelle SOoooo glad to hear Sophie's ok.  Don't moments like that just FREAK you out?  Me too!

Honey - did I miss the honey talk?  I thought it was bad before 12months b/c it can cause botulism...  sounds bad to me ;)

Lisa - potty training.  I've been putting K&H on before bath for months now - gosh at least 3months.  Anyway I'd say 90% of the time they pee :)  Once Kaia pooped too :)  It just happened to be the right time -  not on purpose for sure.  We took the same approach with Sarah and she was fully trained by 18 months at her own doing. 

Cathy - Carter's new 'attitude' for lack of a better word (but let the record show I don't like the word and am sorry to have used it -but it's just 7am and I can't think overly well :)) anyway, he's just coming in to expressing himself and his thoughts and desires.  It's great!! Really it is -it's frustrating FOR SURE.  And since he just figured out how to crawl - well what the he!! are you doing lying him on his back even if it IS for a diaper cahnge :lol:  I give my girls a Robeez to chew on or throw a dry bum coth (I don't use wipes) over their eyes and when they pull it off I say "pee a boo!" and then do it again - amuses them for a bit and at least keeps their hands busy so they aren't mucking in the dirty diaper :roll:.  Then again, I've also got two toddlers who can stand beside a change table and entertain for me while I work too.

SO Hannah sat up on her own Sunday.  I didn't actually watch her do it but I set her on the floor on her tummy while I finished nursing Kaia and then looked down and she was sitting. Funny, she hasn't done it since and I start to think maybe she never really did do it but - can't explain how she got to sitting on her own (Z&S were outside with dh at the time).  Funny how with lack of sleep you can wonder about the realitie of life :roll:. 

We're full on with Sep Anxiety over here - not that we were ever off :roll: so maybe it's just who they are and not a 'phase'  but golly it's so hard to do anything around here.   I made a loaf of bread yesterday and just finding the time to put it together (took 20min for this stage) was difficult b/c they only wanted to be held!!  And for all the effort it turned out horrible!!  Multigrain - very heavy and dense.  Have to find another recipe.  Even Zoe tried it and said "this tastes horrible!"  ThankYou DH for giving her THAT word!!   :evil:

Anyway I must go - someone smells like they needs some attention.

Off to my SIL for a visit this am... she invited us and I'd feel rude declining but man I'm not looking forward to it.  It's just so much work and all the girls are less than comfy there and so I barely get in the front door and I've got two babies crying and two toddlers stuck to me - it's nearly impossible to move.. then sit for 2hours, feed babies and pack them all back up and come home.  Phew - I'm tired thinking about it... bad attitude eh?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 17, 2006, 12:16:58 pm
traci it was sassy and s p u n k y ....maybe that will work.
Does anyone else lo growl, well more like a groan when they are playing.
I was looking at some pics of Ri the other day that my friends took while they were here on the weekend.......where did this little girls come from, the lst thing I knew she was a baby, she is starting to look more like a toddler. iykwim.
Yup I am certainly on my toes now, all it seems to be now is "andy where is riley?"
Oh yes the teeth I was trying to tell you about, they are on the top, but they are the side ones to the front, iykwim...starange, I thought it was always the very front two that came through on the top......yet another thing to keep me on my toes.
I have a self imposed day off today, ri's sitter called us at 4:30am to say she has a stomach bug....so it is just us girls today. I guess I will "see" you later now that I am home today......
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 17, 2006, 13:18:28 pm
HElllooo,

Judy - I was wondering where you were!  Good luck at SIL, sounds VERY tiring!  Well done Hannah...maybe... :wink: !

Naomi - Hope you have a nice 'girls day' today, all  s p u n k y and sassy!

Micky - Jackson does look like a little boy and cool place and dog!

Cathy - Sophie has also started having quite the personality.  If you take something away that she is playing with she SCREAMS at the top of her lungs and then does 'the cowardly lion' - you know the lower lip jut/quiver - it takes everything in me not to laugh! 

Traci - I hope you had a good night!!! 

hannah - Have FUN at your conference and you will be fine and we know that Sophie and DH will be fine!

Ankie - I hope you had a good night too!!  I always find I am waiting to hear how yours and Traci's nights went!

Well, so far no circus side shows here this morning, Sophie the glass eater is taking some time off.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 17, 2006, 13:50:26 pm
Good morning ladies  ... I hope it is a better morning for all of you than it is for me.  Rotten night here last night.  The worst part is that DH is totally oblivious.  This am he says "wow another good night"  :shock:  :shock:   I proceeded to fill him in on the multiple night wakings that lasted forever!!

Oh well still excited about the CRAWLING!!!  I know it is old news for everyone here as their lo's have been crawling for awhile now but DH and I are thrilled.  He seemed to pick it up so quickly after we started showing him how to do it.

Thanks for your opinion on my baby's new found snarky attitude Judy!! :)   Now though .. what the heck do I do with him when he's literally attacking me (when I carry him, when we are sitting together, when I bf??)  It's like everyhting has to be his way or meltdown.  For example ... this am during bf he likes to dig his little nails into my boob which hurts like he**.  So, I remove his hand (repeatedly) and say "no thank you that hurts mommy" Well, it was as if I had committed the worst thing imaginably.  He does it much harder and then growls and cries and smacks me.  How do you reason/teach/explain to a 9.5mos old that what he is doing is not acceptable?  Do I ignore him, move him away, occupy him with something else????  Oh man .. I am definitely in trouble for the next few years  :roll:  :(

Anyway, breakfast time for my little man so talk later
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 14:02:11 pm
Hope everyone had a good day/night, depending on where you are.

NAOMI--sorry to hear you're having a rough time--hang in there! Congrats on the weight loss!!! You must be an even hotter mama now!!! And I'm with Traci on the diaper wrestling...I've been struggling with Liv for a couple of months now. It seems to be better lately, at least I'm able to distract her with something. But if she's tired, or just cranky, forget it!!!

HALEY----yeah!!!! You got your pic up there! :D LOVE IT!!!!

LISA--I want to start potty training soon, but not sure when. Don't think I'm quite ready to tackle it yet, but definitely by 1 year. Haven't discussed it with DH yet, but I'm sure he'll follow my lead on it since I'm the one with her all day.

JUDY--Props to you because I can't imagine SA with 2 babies!!! You are amazing....HUGS!!

CATHY--HUGS for your rough night and sorry about no help from DH. MEN!! How can they be so oblivious sometimes?

Well, just watned to catch up quickly before I'm off to make breakfast. Catch you girls later.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 17, 2006, 14:09:22 pm
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Zoe tried it and said "this tastes horrible!" ThankYou DH for giving her THAT word!! 
cracking me up!  Good luck at SILs Judy.  I find it exhausting going out with ONE child!

Ankie-The naps will come too.  I also worked on independant night sleep then the naps. sorry if my answer yesterday contradicted that, i don't remember!  Anti-jinx dance with kicks...it worked!  thanks for the help.

S P U N K Y-can't believe it censors that word LOL

Alright!  I am sooo happy.  Cole woke at 3am.  he was smushed into the corner facing the wall so I laid him down, right back to sleep.  Woke at 5:20 and fed.  He started crying when he came off, very unusual...kind of like last night at bed.  Held him a few moments to see if he had a burp.  Little one came out but kept crying.  I put him down and he went back to sleep!  weird.  wondering if he's getting better at expressing he's tired??  anyway, woke 20 minutes later :?  but i laid him back down and he slept til 6:40! soooo, almost 12 hours.  YAY!

k, fussy in saucer.  back later!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 17, 2006, 14:15:37 pm
girls, my father has collapsed, no vitals.

pray for him and my family please.  not sure when i'll be back
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 17, 2006, 15:43:38 pm
Traci - You, Your father and your family are in our thoughts and prayers.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 15:50:05 pm
TRACI--yeah for Cole's GREAT night! I'm so sorry about your dad. You, your dad, and your family are in our prayers.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 17, 2006, 15:54:10 pm
Hi everyone, just trying to catch up before I do any work (I do have my priorities ya know  :wink: )

Traci - OMG hugs for you and your family, thinking of you and hoping all is well.  :(

Well, best work, guess that's what they pay me for.

Later gals.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 17, 2006, 16:06:06 pm
Thinking of you Traci!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 17, 2006, 16:19:05 pm
Traci, your father is in my thoughts and prayers today. Congrats on the better night over there, too.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 17, 2006, 17:05:18 pm
Thinking and praying for you and your family Traci.

Honey - my ped said that it can cause botulism, symptom being paralysis.  He said to wait until after she starts walking to give it b/c then you can tell if its causing botulism (as in, the kid can't walk anymore). 

Have to run.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 17, 2006, 18:38:24 pm
Traci, hugs and I hope your dad is ok.

Honey, hmmm, I thought it was 12mths too, can't remember who brought it up?  I wonder if the doctor was voicing their own opinion or new medical findings?  I do find it strange how doctors give an opposing opinion like that when it would be your child that would come to harm - kind of like the carseat debate where some professionals (or shop staff in my case  :shock:  :evil: ) say it's fine for forward facing carseats from 6mths when all crashtests show otherwise - it's not going to be their child who comes to harm...ok, off that soapbox... :wink:

My sweet boy was lovely this morning...(well he always is  :wink: ), he was standing up playing next to Danielle while I was in the kitchen tidying, I heard her grizzle a little, turned around and Nathan's stepped up to her and says "sorry, you ok sweetheart?" and gives her a kiss and cuddle.  Awwww.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 17, 2006, 19:46:39 pm
Nikki - awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 Traci- hugs and thinking of you and your family

Honey - it was my health nurse who said now is fine. And I'm not going to risk it myself. Blimin frustrating all the conflicting info you get!

Great night here, not a peep all night from 7pm - 6.40am. Normally I hear something. (sorry to gloat).

Oh, definitely got SA going on here in the mornings. So this is about to be cut short. Off for the day shopping with some mummy friends today, so won't be back till much later.

Love and hugs to everyone who needs it, or just wants one.  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 17, 2006, 19:58:16 pm
Hayley, that's interesting your plunket nurse said that, I've got Danielle's 9mth visit at the end of the month (well she'll actually be 10mths by then), so will see what she says as to whether it's a new suggestion or something.  The other odd thing I find is, on their food suggestions list, they say peanut butter from 9mths (and I did that with Nathan), then I found out it was a no-go until at least 12mths and a lot of people even say 2yrs - weird.  I guess we all do our own research and make our own decisions at the end of the day.  Danielle won't be having pb until after 12mths (of course there's always the possibility she's exposed to it from Nathan anyway).
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 17, 2006, 20:27:43 pm
Traci my goodness girl hope everything is ok.......

Nikki how sweet of Nathan!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 21:13:43 pm
NIKKI--Awwww, how sweet!

Yes, all the conflicting info is frustrating...as if parenting isn't hard enough already?

OK, nap dilemma. We had Mommy & Me group today. I usually go late and try to let Liv get a good morning nap in as afternoon naps are touch and go on these days. Well, she woke up after only an hour. Normally, wouldn't be a problem, but as I said, was hoping for at least 1.5 hr. Then she fell asleep in the car on the way home. No problem, I was prepared...book and all. So we took a detour to the park and she slept in the car. However, she woke up after only 30 min. So, now she's only had 1.5 hr of naptime, it's now the time she would normally be in the middle of nap #2, and she's awake. So, do I keep her up, fussiness and all, until bedtime (maybe move bedtime up 15 min or so)? Or do I try to put her down for a third nap sometime between now and 4:00? Any thoughts?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 17, 2006, 21:54:41 pm
Nancy, I think it depends on what would normally happen with her and how she reacts, I've had the odd doozy lately where Danielle's day's been out of whack if we've gone out for the morning and she's been awake from 1.30pm and will stay awake quite happily until 7pm. 

Well I can see my days of having the laptop lying around wires and all are coming to an end, Danielle seems to have found a source of motivation to move!  :roll:  :P   I'm also sitting here with my shoelaces untied, and yesterday she got her fingers trapped in the entertainment unit drawer.

Judy, yay on Hannah sitting up msyteriously!  :P Maybe it was Kaia who helped her out... :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 22:03:29 pm
OK, I went into Liv's room just a moment ago, and she was lying on the floor sucking her thumb (her sleepy cue). So I tried to do winddown and put her down. She would try to settle, then get fussy again. I thought she might be hungry as she missed her 11:30 bottle and didn't eat much for lunch. Gave her 7 oz, put her back in crib, she fussed, and all is quiet now...I think she may be asleep. But it's 4:00!! I can't decide if I want her to sleep or not. If she does go to sleep, I'll have to wake her at 4:30, so is that even worth it? She just fussed again...now quiet. I think I'll give her another 5 min or so and if she's not asleep, then keep her up.

AAAAUUUGGHHHH! I need to figure out what to do on Tuesdays...our play group now meets right during her lunch time, so it's going to be difficult to get her there and back in time for naps. Oh well, thanks for listening, and thanks Nikki, for the advice.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: sophieandhannah on January 17, 2006, 22:24:11 pm
Thinking of you Traci.  Sending lots of hugs and love your way.
See you ladies after the conference.  Thanks for the well wishes.
Hannah
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 17, 2006, 22:42:48 pm
Nancy, I'm probably too late, but I'd let her sleep until 4.30, she should be tired enough again for bed.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 17, 2006, 23:03:35 pm
Traci, my thoughts are with you.  Please let us know how everything turns out.

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 23:14:30 pm
Warning: LONG POST!   :wink:

First, to catch up with everyone:
Traci-where are you?  Please let us know how your dad is doing as soon as you can.  We are all worried about you and him, and prayers are with you.  :cry:

Hannah-good luck on your trip. I'm sure everything will go well and you may have a wonderful night of sleep (can you even sleep in maybe?)  :)

Richelle-OMG about the glass.  I know it is over and done with by now but wanted to say sorry and glad it all was okay.  What a tough cookie you have!

Cathy-grizzling and sassy overnight?  Oh yes, I know what you mean!!!  That on top of sep. anxiety has turned my little zen baby into fuss pot!  :x  Still gotta love her, but man the twisting during diaper changes and grunting and the stare downs are just a lot!  She looks at me as if she's thinking, "how dare you try to keep me down, even if it is to get this $hit filled diaper off my butt!"  :twisted: 
On a positive note though, she has started to share.  Cutest thing.  She will be playing with a ball or eatinga piece of toast and then hand it to us!  So darn cute!   :D

Nanc-LOVE the book case/toy holder thing.  Did your dad make that with any certain plans like a kit from Home Depot or something?  I would love to get DH to make somthing like that!

So we started a new Infants Development class today based on the Wry (sp?) method.  Anyone heard of that?  Nikki/Judy?  I think it is goign to be great.  We just sit back and observe and let the lo's play with eachother or on their own and we can ask teh instructor Q's.  Taylor's little friend that we see a lot is in there and she is a little agressive.  Always taking T's toys from her.  So the instructor said let it go on UNTIL Taylor gets upset.  Then you say to Skylar, "Taylor would really like her toy back right now", and then take it from her and give it to her.  It was a relief to learn how to handle that situation so that it is not awkward with Skylar's mom.  I don't want Taylor to get bullied and a part of me wants her to take it back KWIM?  Is that super evil of me!?!?

 :arrow: OKAY , so to fill you in on day 2 and 3 of W2S!!!

Day 2: went in at 5:15 for W2S
She woke at 6:05 and moaned/groaned for a few minutes and then WENT BACK TO SLEEP!!!  It was incredible!  She slept till 6:40 and I let her stay in there and play till 6:50

Day 3:
Went in at 5:15 for W2S
She woke at 6:20 and within 2 minutes went back to sleep again!!!  She stirred and woke a couple of times but did not fully wake up and start the day till 7:45!!!!  It is unbelievable! 

I think our success so far was a combo of the W2S and the PD we did for 2 days.  Here is doing the anti jinx dance that it continues!!!   :D  :D

BTW, ANkie, congrats and how are things continuing to go?  Hope not too late for my vote, but totally agree with Nikki.  Work on getting rid of patting and falling asleep independently at bed time and the rest shall fall into place so you hopefully don't even have to do W2S.

Okay, long enough post ladies!  Sorry!  :oops:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 17, 2006, 23:20:29 pm
Just a quick one

Traci - HUGS - my thoughts are with you and your family.  Hope everything is OK
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 17, 2006, 23:39:39 pm
Correction:
RIE Method developed by Magda Gerber
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892560062/002-8834604-7384056?n=283155

Can't seem to find a website for her but here is the link to her book. 
Sounds interesting and I think I may look into it.  It focues on observing your child and giving them space to figure things out for themselves.

Also, anyone ever read the Happiest Toddler on the Block by Harvey karp?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 18, 2006, 00:00:57 am
Andrea, no I haven't heard of that Rie method, sounds interesting, would love to hear weekly updates from you though with what the teacher covers if that's ok?  I know what you mean about letting her fend for herself and actually take it back, Nathan's a bit hesitant about doing that still, he is voicing himself a bit more now if he really wants to keep a hold of something (well, if squealing like a stuck pig counts  :roll:  :lol: ).  But on the flip side, he's not a push over, and plays really well with all the kids in the playgroup right from more forceful ones to the more quiet ones - it's his textbook personality I think.

I have heard of the Harvey Karp book and have heard a few on this site rave about it, not sure what it's actually about though, perhaps put a post up?

Oh and cool about Taylor doing the turn taking thing.  :D  Now she is probably right into putting things into boxes rather than just taking out - and yes that means you can teach her to tidy up her toys!  8)  All as a game of course.  :wink:

And yeah! for the W2S working!  I've had two mornings of 5am wake ups with Danielle, yesterday I was able to resettle her, but this morning was a no-go and I tried until 6am when she really started to cry so I think she was hungry at that point.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 18, 2006, 00:34:21 am
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Oh and cool about Taylor doing the turn taking thing.  Now she is probably right into putting things into boxes rather than just taking out - and yes that means you can teach her to tidy up her toys!  All as a game of course. 

Actually, today at the end of class the instructor had us sing a little song about tidying up as we cleaned up the toys to get into the habit of it from the get go.  It was kinda cute to watch them of course get the toys out of the basket as we put them into it!   :lol:

I will surely keep you posted.

Regarding Harvey Karp.  I read the Happiest Baby On the Block and LOVED it.  Very gentle and based on a ton of research he has done in the field and his own practice.  I think I will read it when Taylor turns 1 and see what he says.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 18, 2006, 01:06:18 am
Hi girls,

Thanks to you all for your thoughts and prayers.

There was a miscommunication by my SIL. She had said "your father collapsed, they've called 911"  I thought I had time to get to my dad (hours drive away) so i packed up cole in 5 minutes flat, hurried into the car and went to pick up DH.

Anyway, my father had already passed :oops: He was having trouble breathing in the night but it's happened before so neither him nor my mother seemed concerned.  Anyway, he was snoring/breathing loudly in the early morning hours so my mom went into another room to sleep.  She got up at 7:30 to get his juice/meds ready etc.  Went up at 8:30 and he was gone.  At least he went peacefully.  It's been a long 2.5 year recovery from cancer surgery...and triple bypass in early December.

I'm sure I'll be on here tomorrow ladies, even if just to read your encouraging words.  Need to keep my mind occupied.  I'm not quite sure it's hit me yet.  okay, gotta go and have dinner.  Early to bed.  Two short naps and an hour late bedtime will not make for a good night.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 18, 2006, 01:13:31 am
Oh Traci {{{{{big hugs girl}}}}, I am so sorry to hear about your dad.  :cry:  I feel so sad for you, you and your family are in my thoughts.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 18, 2006, 01:32:26 am
TRACI--I am so sorry to hear about your dad. Big hugs to you and all the love and support we can send. You and your family will be in our prayers.

ANDREA--my dad just made the bookshelf/toybox from a couple of different photos he saw in a children's catalog (one of a bookshelf, the other of a toybox). And he thought, "Hey, I could do that." So, he drew up the plans and showed them to some builder friends of his and went to work...and voila!! Amazing, huh? (Even more amazing if you knew my dad)  :lol: BTW, Congrats on the W2S! Way to go!!!

NIKKI-thanks for the nap advice, as it turns out, she never went to sleep. She would settle for a min or 2, then cry out again. I finally went in and got her up. She was happy the rest of the evening and went down just fine for bed. Let's hope it lasts!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 18, 2006, 02:08:46 am
Traci I'm so sorry about your Dad.  My thoughts are with you and your family.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 18, 2006, 02:38:14 am
Oh Traci.  I'm so sorry about your dad!! :( :( :(  Many many hugs to you and your family.  How's your mom doing?  Gosh this is going to be a tough road for her.  How are you?  You seem to be doing really well so far... be sure to take care of yourself though ok.?
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 18, 2006, 02:57:40 am
Traci, big (((hugs))) to you, my friend.  So sorry about your loss.   :cry:   We'll keep you and your family in our prayers.  You know you can always come to us as you go through this process.    More (((hugs))) and lots of love sent your way!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 18, 2006, 03:16:26 am
Oh Traci, what can I say, big hugs for your family. As you say, a peaceful way for your dad to go.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 18, 2006, 03:47:13 am
Traci, hugs to you and your family. I am sorry for your loss... please let me know if there is anything at all, I can do for you in terms of moderating, etc. You may want the work to keep you busy but if you need a break, let me know.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 18, 2006, 04:20:29 am
Traci, our thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad time :cry: .

Love Lisa and James
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: james030405 on January 18, 2006, 04:32:14 am
just remembered why I came on :roll: I have another suggestion for finger-food but only if you are happy to use eggs.

I have been making James omlettes for lunch using different ingredients for the middle. Today we had ham, cheese and tomato but I have also used mushrooms, capscium etc. I just cut it up into small pieces and he picks them up but I can also feed them on a spoon to him.  Good way to get different veges into them. :D  :wink:

Happy eating.

Love Lisa
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 18, 2006, 04:41:43 am
Traci, so sorry to hear and am thinking about you and your family.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 18, 2006, 05:55:02 am
Traci:  so sorry to hear about your dad.  :cry:   Take care of yourself.  And come here for a shoulder to cry on if you need to.  :cry:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: becca24 on January 18, 2006, 06:27:13 am
Traci - so sorry to hear about your Dad  :cry:  :cry: Big Hugs to you and your Family.

I'm not sure but I think the following is actually a song, I found it on a card and it helped comfort me when I lost my cousin Patricia a few years ago. I hope it might do the same for you....


Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow
I am the diamond glints of snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain
When you awaken in the mornings hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
of quiet birds in circled flight
I am the soft stars that shine at night
Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there. I did not die.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 18, 2006, 13:30:05 pm
Traci:  I am so sorry for your loss.  Hugs and prayers to you and your family during this difficult time.  Just remember that we are all hear for you.

Bec:  That is a beautiful poem .. brought tears to my eyes  :cry:

Here is a verse/poem that I read and reread when my Nana died.  It definitely makes me cry but helped me to come to terms with her passing.

In tears we saw you sinking
We watched you fade away
Our hearts were nearly broken
You fought so hard to stay
You faced your task with courage
Your spirit did not bend
You still kept on fighting
Until the very end
God looked around his garden
and found an empty space
Then He looked down upon the earth
and saw your tired face
He put his arms around you
and lifted you to rest
God's Garden must be beautiful
For He only takes the best
He knew that you were suffering
He knew you were in pain
He knew you never could get well
Upon this earth again
He saw the road was getting rough
The hills were hard to climb
So he closed your weary eyes
And whispered "Peace be Thine"
In life we loved you dearly
In death we love you still
Within our hearts you hold
A place no one else can fill
It breaks our hearts to lose you
But you did not go alone
For part of us went with you
The day God called you home.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 18, 2006, 15:11:18 pm
Bec & Cathy--beautiful poems! Thank you so much for sharing them with Traci and with us. They made me cry, too!!

TRACI--I sincerely hope you are doing well. And please know, we are here for you, whatever you need...someone to listen, someone to laugh with, someone to take your mind off things, or just a shoulder to cry on. We are here for you.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 18, 2006, 16:05:09 pm
morning ladies,

thank you so much for the beautiful poems.  bec, yours is especially fitting since dad wishes to be spread amongst the trees of his favourite golf course of his childhood town.

we are doing okay.   Cole had a reasonably good night.  some wakings but settled right away.  he knew mommy needed her sleep.

i feel a bit detached.  I think it will really hit home tomorrow as all my childhood friends that i haven't seen in years come through the funeral home.  And many of my dads colleagues from our hometown will be there too.

okay, gotta run.  lots to do.  I am co-executor so it will be a busy week.

ankie-thank you for the offer.  I've asked Andrea etc. to take my days this week.  I will let you girls know if i need more time.

thank you for the love and support.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 18, 2006, 16:11:54 pm
Girls I have a boob issue :oops: :(

First off - these top teeth are killing me!!  I have a blister on my one nipple and it can't get better with all the rubbing of teeth on it!! But that aside the top and especially right side top of my right breast is killing me!! It's hard as a rock, never seems to be emptied.  Any child touching/leaning on it HURTS.  Right now Kaia is feeding and simply 'holding' my breast and it's OUCHY!!!  There's also 2 pea sized knots or something.  They aren't specifically sore and maybe they're just bloodvessel spot things. 

What's the deal?  Just simply engorgement because they're too interested in the world to take a proper feed during the day?

I had trouble sleeping last night and when Hannah woke at 5am I couldn't jump out of bed fast enough hoping a feed would make it feel better.

And if they could just release the nipples before pulling off rather than pulling while latched as tight as can be - that'd be ever so lovely. :)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 18, 2006, 16:20:27 pm
Traci we posted at the same time!

Glad you got some rest last night. 

I imagine it to be very normal to be feeling detatched about all of this right now... you have a lot to do (being co-executor and all) and alot to get through, I'm sure it's necessary for survival right now.

Here's my 'motherly' input (sorry):  Make a point of taking care of YOU, make sure you EAT over these next days even though it's busy and you may not feel like it.  You're going to be exhausting yourself even though with adrenaline you might not feel it so much and with all the people you are bound to be seeing you need to keep up your strength and immune system. Last thing you need is to surface out of all this stuff next week and end up with a miserable cold or something.  Enough of my bossy rant!  Ment all in love not bossyness. ;)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 18, 2006, 16:25:21 pm
(((Hugs))) for you, Traci!

Judy, sounds like a blocked duct.  Get a hot compress on it and massage frequently (or take a long, hot shower and massage, like you have time for that, right?  :? ) .  If it doesn't work itself out, you'll need to call your doc for an antibiotic b/c of some illness that will probably result.  Think Richelle had to do that?  Can't remember what it is called.  I've had a blocked duct and it hurts like crazy. 
No top teeth here yet  :roll:  so no help there.  Start massaging, girl.   :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 18, 2006, 16:31:30 pm
Traci:  Here's hoping that your next few days are ok.  I second what Judy said - take care of yourself, even if you don't feel liek it cause COle still needs his Momma!!!

Judy:  as for the boob issues!  I had mastitis when Carter was 2 weeks old because they weren't being drained adequately.  It happened over the weekend so I couldn't go to see my ob ... I did some research though and what helped the most was to put warm compresses on before feeds and a frozen bag of pee's afterwards!!!  By the time I got to my ob I had gone through the worst of it (the fever and chills) and only had the painful hard lumpiness left.  He said to keep doing what I was doing but also massage the breast and sort of knead it while it was being fed upon.  The funny thing was ... my MALE ob was showing me how to knead/milk a breast by doing it on himself!  It was pretty damn funny (I love my OB, he's great!  :D )  I hope this helps!  You will want to take care of it before it develops into mastitis though.  I know how much it hurts!!  Over arm exercises also help (think pretending to throw a baseball) although will raise many questions from your family!!!   "Why is Mommy pretending to throw a ball in the house??"

Have a good day everyone!


 :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 18, 2006, 16:33:25 pm
Traci - (((hugs))) to you and your family.  I'm so sorry to hear about your dad and will be thinking of you.  We're here for you if you need us.  And I second everyone else in making sure you take care of yourself in the next few crazy days. 

Judy - can you try pumping?  Maybe that would help.  Do you massage that hard spot when they're feeding?  Does Kaia always feed on that side - maybe you could switch them and get a slightly different latch which may help.  It's got to be hard because you can't really give one side a break for a proper amount of time.  I think maybe warm compresses are supposed to help too.  Those are all my thoughts, hope they help.

Andrea - I really liked the Happiest Baby on the Block book as well.  Really helped me when Katie was teeny tiny and enjoyed screaming her head off for much of the day/night.  I've been thinking of picking up the Happiest Toddler to see what it's all about.   Your class sounds fun and very interesting.  Oh, and Katie shares too, I think it's the cutest thing as well.  She only shared with Dad at first though....not sure what that was all about. 

Bec - Is Halle named after your cousin who you lost?  Noticed her middle name is the same as your cousin's. 

Lisa - omelettes sound like a great idea.  Have to remember that.

As for us, I had to have a couple fillings done this morning, so my mouth is so numb right now!  Luckily Katie is at day care, next week the college break is over so I'm back to work.  It is pouring here and SO windy - there are trees down everywhere right now, lucky to have power as it is out all over the place around here.  Our huge old elm tree lost two giant limbs last night, fortunately, it's way in the back so they just fell on the lawn and didn't damage anything.  Katie was up last night, wonder if it was the storm.  She just needed a little snuggle and went back to sleep. 

Hope everyone is doing well and is having nicer weather than us!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 18, 2006, 16:33:46 pm
Oops .. I spelled pea's wrong!  I did mean the vegetable not a bag of frozen pee!!!   :shock:  :D   Corn or mixed veggies work too .. I'm not discriminating!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 18, 2006, 16:37:22 pm
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Cathy!  I didn't even notice!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 18, 2006, 16:46:01 pm
Traci: I'm glad to hear you got some sleep.  Take care of yourself!!

Judy: I second what Cathy had to say.  Be sure to massage as much as it hurts to help get the milk out of those blocked glands and go see your doc ASAP if you start getting a fever.

Andrea: I meant to mention...YEAH!!!!!!!  on the W2S!!!!!!!  way to go.  I think you are one of the few I've heard of that it has actually worked.  YEAH!!!!!!

Bec and Cathy: I loved your poems.  :(  :(

Jackson is moving like crazy.  It's too funny to watch with his one kneed shuffle. :D   He has also figured out how to copy the sound of me twiddling my finger across my lips and humming at the same time.  He does it all the time now....especially while eating. :roll:  :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Jayri on January 18, 2006, 17:25:25 pm
Hey girls, I acutally have a little time on my lunch today to write to you all.
Traci, my thoughts are with you hun, anything you need, a shoulder a chat or whatever we can help you with, just let us know.
Well, Riley has now figured out that if she drops and falls to the floor it is not neccecarily a bad thing, she is also getting more confident in her standing, she likes to hold on to the side of the couch, she teases herself by letting go every now and then.
I do have a couple of questions for nikki and judy tho,
do you lo's share the room, if so, how do you negotiate your way throo  bedtime....it is getting kinda tricky in our home.
Jay cries at alomst everything, I mean he freaks out and breaks down, any hints on how to break it!!.
Also, sorry for TMI, but he seems to be exploding in the poop department, for a couple of times in the past week or so, he has gone out and beyond his daiper, on his clothes and at times over the floor.......and never says anything, so say if we are in the kitcehn and the gate is up, then we don't notice until he comes near us......and by them, well you can imagine on that.....or maybe not :?  :?
Alrighty girls, my lunch is almost up....."see" you later hunnies
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Richelle on January 18, 2006, 17:33:46 pm
Traci - I am so sorry for your loss.  Anything at all that you need do not hesitate in the least to ask.  Please, please take care of yourself.

Bec and Cathy those are lovely poems.

I was trying to post this AM but my laptop crashed again, I am using the comp. where they last fixed it. 

I just NEEDED to pop on to give Traci a HUG, you need it and remember to accept any help offered.

Judy - OHHHHH you poor thing, get some rest, if you develop a fever or flu like symptoms call your OB or go to hospital.  I know it is a tough call with antibiotics for you but do what you must.  I had mastitis and it wasn;t pretty.  The best thing to do is feed as much as posible on the affected side, I now painful but that is the best thing for it.  Also cabage leaves after you have fed massaged and warm coompress before.

Must run, I may not see you all for awhile.
Title: Intro, sleep questions, way too long post
Post by: Henrysmom on January 18, 2006, 17:54:58 pm
Good Morning to all.  My name is Heather and DS Henry was born on April 28th.  I received the Baby Whisperer from a friend when I was pregnant, and really connected with it.  So, Henry has been on EASY since day 1.  We really felt it was working when he started sleeping through the night at 2 months.  Bed at 7:30, dream feed and asleep until 7:30 or 8:00 am with not a noise at night.  This continued until at 5 months when we moved from the east to west coast for my husband's job.  Since then, we have probably had about 10 days of uninterrupted sleep at night.

I realized 3 weeks ago that despite my best intentions we had taught DS that he could not fall asleep without us in the room.  So, we spent a week working on getting him to be put down in his crib have DH or I leave and have him fall asleep.  This was going great.  I was feeling proud.  He could do it and slept through the night for 3 nights in a row!

Then, the teeth, which had waited quite a bit and the crawling attempts started.  Now, he has the little points of 2 teeth and the blisters for 2 more and he is trying to work out how to crawl.  So, when we leave him for his nap he flips himself over and twirls around the crib or just hangs out on his belly.  This happens once to what seems like 100 times before he goes to sleep.  He also does this when he wakes up in the night, usually at 1:00 and 2:00.

I'm frustrated.  If I worked so hard at this, why doesn't it work  :(

Our schedule is
7:00 or so wake and breast feed
8:30 or 9:00 breakfast (between 4 and 6 ounces)
10:00 or so nap (somewhere between 40 minutes (except for lately) and an hour and a half)
11:00 or so bf
1:00 or so lunch (again 4 to 6 ounces)
2:00 or so nap (again somewhere between 40 minutes and an hour and a half)
3:00 or so bf
6:00 dinner with DH (4 to 8 ounces)
7:00 bath
7:30 bed with bottle of formula about 6 ounces

Anyone else have trouble with the night wakings with crawling and what have you done?  I borrowed the originial book so I don't have it anymore, but I was remembering at 2:30 last night/this morning, when brainstorming while making sure he was not crawling around, that Tracy talks about baby massage.  Anyone tried that?

I look forward to chatting with you all.

I'm not sure I know how to post this properly...
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Colesmom on January 18, 2006, 18:49:34 pm
hi girls.  DH took cole this morning from 7am til 10:30 so I am certainly taking care of me.  taking off for a few hours now of me time as well, including a one hour massage.

Judy-valuable info to be found at http://www.breastfeedingonline.com if you don't have time to search around what i did for plugged ducts was take a tylenol or advil a couple hours before feeding ( i don't think you like meds so if you can withstand the pain then give it a try) while feeding, press on the hard part as hard as you can tolerate and continue to do so through the whole feed until the pressure is released.  I know i tried massage and i just think it wasn't continuous enough to release it.  of course, you could try massage first, then try my method if it doesn't work.  not sure about the two pea sized hard spots.  do you have anything that look like little pimples on your nipples? if so, you need to warm your nipple up really well to soften them and work at those with your fingernail or a pin.  OUCHIE!  I had to do that too.

k, gotta run for my relaxation time.  HTH
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 18, 2006, 18:58:36 pm
Hugs Traci - take care of yourself too.

Judy, I used to get lumpiness like this quite a lot up until a few months ago.  It never turned into mastitis for me fortunately (did once with Nathan and I never went back there) because I'd compress it (squeezed the boob quite hard even though it was painful to do, I imagined as I was doing that it was like squeezing an internal pimple and letting the plug out to drain it iykwim - gross I know but worked  :lol: ) while Danielle was feeding and generally by the end of the day it was back to normal.  Heat helps.  There is a homeopathic remedy called Phytolacca that is useful if you have it.  Ooooh, the lightest touch is definitely yowwy!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 18, 2006, 19:26:49 pm
Hi Heather!
Don't have time to respond properly right now, but just wanted to say hi and welcome!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 18, 2006, 19:27:02 pm
Judy... also had 2 clogged ducts... all the advice the previous girls gave you and... this is funny but it works... try to have Kaia or Hannah's chin pointing at the clogged duct. Apparently, it helps to direct suction there. It was hilarious when I had to do that with Arwyn. I laid her down on the bed in whatever position would point her chin there (mine was in the upper right quadrant of my left boob) and then lean over her and she would latch on. It is quite funny  :lol:  :shock: and awkward but... it works.

Traci... ditto all the other girls... please take care of yourself as well... glad to hear you are getting a massage today. Again, anything I can do... let me know.

Andrea... congrats on the W2S!! Love hearing the success stories!!

Henrysmom... welcome... I have the same problem with Arwyn crawling in the crib. If we are super pro-active, we go in to pull her back down to the base of her crib before we go to bed... otherwise, she crawls into the corner and then wakes herself up. I have also been going through the same "re-training" for Arwyn's sleep... unlike you, I have not had any days of uninterrupted sleep :shock:  :roll:  :cry: since she turned 6 months 1 week!

So... the hanging out on his belly before going to sleep... if he is happy, leave him to fall asleep on his own. Now... you say he has been getting up at aroung 1 or 2 am... have you tried Wake to Sleep? It sounds like a habitual waking to me... Arwyn also had one at the same time and we used W2S and eventually, it went away.

You have a beautiful routine. I'm sure that Henry is a happy baby!!!

Ladies... my last two nights... 2 nights ago... MAJOR sep anx. She was not really awake and for the entire 2 hours from 12:53 to 2:58, she was trying to put herself back to sleep but each time I left the room, she would wake up... even if I stayed for the 20 minutes. She finally  :shock: stayed asleep after 2 hours. NO patting, just the hand while she was whimpering and just my voice :D .

Last night... ONE waking at 3:57... fed (took a full feed... not surprised as she refused her bedtime BF) and went back to sleep until I WOKE HER UP at 7:30!!! I can see the light!!! The light, boss, the light!!! It did take 50 minutes for me to put her to bed though... I am chalking it up to the 3rd night regression as it was the 3rd night of NO PATTING!

Yippee... Hannah... Seattle is definately looking a little closer!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 18, 2006, 20:27:02 pm
Traci - awwwww huge hugs to you and your family. Yes, at least he went peacefully and is in a better place. I know that is of little consolation when you are hurting so much. Take help whenever it is offerred, get rest and stay healthy.

Nikki - just love the story about Nathan and Danielle. What a good big brother he is, so kind and caring.

Andrea - LOL @ Taylor twisting and grunting during diaper changes!! Molly of course does the same and it is just too frustrating! Strong willed girls turn into strong willed women. We are so blessed!!  Molly has also started doing the "sharing" thing. Passes a toy to us, we pass it back, passes it to us...you know how it goes, can go on for hours!!  Awesome on the W2S for her night wakings...congrats!!

Bec -   :cry:  :cry:  at the poem. It is truly wonderful, comforting and uplifting at the same time.

Cathy - I couldn't even read your entire poem, I am still blessed to have my Mom and my Grandma with me and the thought that they won't be here some day is too much to bear.  :cry:

Henry's Mom - welcome to the crazyness of this board. It's a great bunch of Moms and a super bunch of beautiful children.

Molly is recuperating nicely from her ear infection. She is back to her usual cheerful self, blabbering on as if she is telling me all about her "friends" at daycare each night on the way home. It just makes me smile. Her days are going well there, she is not taking 2 naps, but does have a longish one (1.5 hours) mid-day and then is really ready for bed abut 5:30 pm or so. We wake at 6:30 anyways so this is working for us. It just means less time for us to spend together during the week that we will just have to make up for on the weekends!   :lol:
When she first started daycare I think all the stimulation and activity around mealtimes was too much for her as she was not eating very well. We took to giving her a dreamfeed again and I was so worried we were AP and reverting. Alas, she is back to eating well and no more DF! Whew!!   :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 18, 2006, 20:47:53 pm
Welcome, Heather!  First post?  How exciting to share it with us.   :D   Don't feel too down about your spurt of night wakings.  Look at all the success you've had in the past and you'll be reminded that Henry CAN do it and so can you. Keep up the good work! 

Wahooooooooo!  Hooray for Ankie and Arwyn!  I am so proud of you!  (Is that a dorky thing to say?   :oops:   Well, it's true!)  You have been working so hard and it's paying off. 

So, Ryan has stopped giving me sleepy cues.   :?   I keep looking for him to yawn, rub eyes, get whiney, etc., but nothin'.  So, I'm moving towards clock watching this week.  He'll be playing and laughing and screeching  :roll:  and I'll pull him in my lap to read and he settles right down and then goes down for nap without a peep?  WTH?  Last night, he was up until 8 playing and I finally decided to put him down and deal with his wrath and there was none.  Whatever...shouldn't be complaining, but man these buggers change overnight sometimes. 

Richelle, I am very excited b/c I'm going to try some of your finger food recipes tonight.  Turkey patties for all three of us tonight and maybe some French toast in the am.  How exciting!!!  I'll keep you posted on how Old Two Teeth does with the patties.  Not so sure he'll be able to handle it.   :lol:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 18, 2006, 20:49:14 pm
TRACI--glad to hear you got some rest. I agree with Judy...take care of yourself! You have a lot going on right now, and it probably won't all hit until things slow down. So take care of yourself now so you can deal with everything when it does hit you.

JUDY--I agree that it sounds like a clogged duct. I had one when I was weaning Liv from breastfeeding. Warm compresses did help. I also would massage it while I pumped (the massaging while she fed was too distracting to her) and that seemd to help greatly.

CATHY--too funny about the frozen "pee"!!! EEEWWW!!!

HEATHER--Welcome!!! Glad to have you here...fellow BWer and fellow April baby (my Olivia was born on April 23). First, I can't believe you moved to another coast with a newborn! You have my utmost respect for that!! Liv hasn't had many sleep issues related to crawling, but she went through a similar thing when she started rolling over. In the book, Tracy talks about developmental milestones affecting their sleep. As far as I can tell, you just have to ride those out. Massage is a good idea, though. I say give it a try! You might see if a library near you has the BW book and consider reading it again. I just went back and read it again, as I had read it when Liv was 4 weeks old. I got so much more out of it now for where she is developmentally. That's what I love about the book, she takes you all the way through the first year and into toddlerhood. I checked the book out of the library when I first read it and ended up purchasing it for myself since I kept wanting to refer back to it.

ANKIE---Good for you on your good night. You soooo deserve it! You need some rest, girl!

MICHELLE--glad to hear Molly is adjusting well to daycare. Are you back to work yet? I don't remember when you said you were going back.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 18, 2006, 20:53:25 pm
KATE--we posted at the same time. Liv has fewer sleepy cues now, too. She still sucks her thumb, but she's starting to do it more, so not just a sleepy cue anymore. Now I look for the droopy eyes. That's usually her cue. I also go by the clock, although I have about a 20-30 minute window. One thing she's started doing just in the last couple of days, though, is she refuses to settle in my arms for nap. I used to just hold her and hum or sing to her for a minute or two in the glider before I put her in her crib. She would lay down on my chest and suck her thumb. But now she is so wrestless....climbing on me, rolling around, trying to look at things...until I lay her in her crib. Then she settles right down. I think I might have to cut out the "snuggle" time before naps. But that just KILLS me...that's my favorite part of the day!!!  :( You're so right..they change so fast!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 18, 2006, 22:03:05 pm
Hi again Heather!  As far as massage, I used to do quite a bit of it with Katie when she was tiny....and then she became mobile.  I can't get the kid to hold still long enough to put a diaper on, much less massage her.  On the rare occassion that she does hold still when I'm putting moisturizer on pre-bedtime, I rub her feet a bit which she loves!  You can give it a shot with Henry and see if he'll hold still!  Teeth: well, Katie has 7 right now and I don't find her to be a particularly good teether.  I do a few things - if I notice during the day that they're really bothering her, I'll give her Tylenol or Motrin before bedtime.  If she wakes and I'm not sure what it is, I usually try to settle her - if she's having trouble settling, I'll give her something for the pain.  Usually, I'll just try some Orajel at first (they make "nighttime" strength) and sometimes that's enough to get her back to sleep.  If she's really upset and needs some comforting at night, I'll take her out of her crib, rock her while I sing her winddown song in my head and put her back still generally awake.  If she's just awake, I'll do some pick up/put down (really just put down at this age, as she gets up all on her own).  As for the movement, if he's not upset, just leave him.  If he is upset, you can try some pick up/put down.  We're dealing with some standing now, so I've been trying to take my own advice  :D .  We chat in the chat room at 9 PM EST on Fridays if you'd like to join us.  The more, the merrier!

Kate/Nancy - I find too often that Katie's sleepy cue these days is an overtired meltdown.  Not my favorite! 

Ankie - Awesome on your night!!  I am so excited for you!  Keep pushing - the end of the tunnel is there!!!

Michelle - glad to hear Molly is adjusting well to daycare.  Katie was there today from 9:30 - 3:30 and slept for exactly NO minutes at all.  She's taking a nap right now and it's 5:00 already.  Have to go wake her soon, or bedtime will be a nightmare.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 18, 2006, 23:27:39 pm
Hello girls!!!

Welcome to Heather!!  We have sort of all been having issues with either night wakings, teething, crawling in the crib .. I think it just comes with the 9-10 month territory.  Sounds like you are doing everything right.  Maybe try wake to sleep like someone else suggested ot get rid of that 2:00am wakeup!  Carter just got 4 top teeth in all at once so I feel your pain in regards to teeth!!  :D

Kate:  Carter no longer shows me tired signs before naps or at night either.  I now just base nap times on the clock (how long since he got up etc)

Ankie:  Give me an A, give me an N, give me a K, give me an I and so on so on .... YEAH ANKIE!!!  Way to go for you and Arwyn.  Persistence pays off.  You must be feeling much better!  Sorry for the lame attempt at a cheer   :roll:  (never was a cheerleader ... just played sports!  :D )

Andrea:  So cute about the sharing!  Carter has decided recently to share his fruit pieces with me!!  Awwww so nice.  DH wanted Carter to share with him too so he leaned over and opened his mouth for Carter to give him a piece and instead Carter whipped at him!!!  LOL  Priceless!!!

So, we are on day # 2 of Carter being able to crawl and he has already poked the dogs eyes out, dragged the cat across the floor by his tail (thank goodness he is claw and toothless!), tried to lick the cat food dish, pulled my internet/telephone cord out of the modem, hid the tv remote control and played with the furnace vents!!  I know .. bad momma!  I totally wasn't ready for this yet!  I don't even know where to start to babyproof my house!  Oh ya, picture trying to do yoga (downward dog pose) with a baby crawling under you grabbing at your pants, feet, and shirt!  I almost fell on him I was laughing so hard!!!

I am off to finish making dinner.  Shhh ... is that Dh I hear starting to do dishes???  :shock:  :shock:   Maybe I should stay here cause you know if I go out there he will make me do them!!!  We even have a dishwasher but NEVER use the darn thing!

Oh well .. nite ladies
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Judy on January 19, 2006, 01:20:34 am
Thanks girls!!! :)  I think you were all right - it must have been a plugged duct.  Boy was that painful!!!  :(  But I put a ton of pressure (ouch!!) on it and by the time the third feed was done today it was much better.  Barely painful anymore and it feels like a normal boob again rather than half rock! :) :)
Thanks!!

Cathy - girl!  You have a dishwasher and DON'T use it???  You gotta be crazy girl!!  :)  I LOVE my dishwasher.  Even when it was just dh and I we used it ALL the time. Of course now the thing is run every single day!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Olivia's Mommy on January 19, 2006, 01:30:00 am
OK, Cathy, your post cracked me up. You must be in rare form tonight! And I'm with Judy...what's with NOT using a dishwasher...ours is constantly being loaded or unloaded.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 19, 2006, 01:46:06 am
Judy, glad that you're feeling better!

Kate, forgot to mention (pages back), I cracked up laughing when you said that Ryan was doing a Nathan by looking like he was "having fun"  :wink:  with his teddy.

Dishwashers - love my dishwasher too!

Ankie, yeah on your good night!

Cathy, funny you mention about Carter being into stuff suddenly - Danielle's not crawling, but is doing like a caterpillar walk (on all fours and then flops forward) and has been all around the living areas, hassling the DVD, drawers, windows, emptying her shelves in her bedroom - very cool, and I'm also now needing to do baby proofing again, one day she wasn't moving and the next she's on the move!

Hey, I get to meet Hayley and Daniel tomorrow!   8)
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 19, 2006, 02:32:42 am
Cathy - what's up with not using the dishwasher? Isn't there enough to clean up in the house without choosing to wash dishes too? I find it a pain having to wash Daniel's bottles cos I've only got 2!

Ankie - great news! Just had a random thought if anyone thinks there LO's got SA at night. What about putting an item of clothing you've warn (like t-shirt) in their cot at night. It will have your smell on it (nice I hope :wink: ) and might help to reassure them.

Heather - welcome. We've had Daniel waking and moving at night since he started crawling in December. It seems to have settled down already and the last few nights he's stayed in a relativley normal sleeping position. He's in a sleeping bag so that helped keep him warm, but I also put a duvet and sometimes light blanket over him (yes even though it's summer here). I'm tucking him in quite firmly and that may be helping too. You've come to the right place though, there's a few of us who have had various sleeping issues, so loads of advice will be offered I'm sure.  :wink: I used to just go in, put him back into his sleeping position and leave the room, saying goodnight and to go back to sleep. I was lucky, because mostly Daniel did go back to sleep. The odd times he didn't I would give him cammomila (teething powder) and that seemed to help.

Judy - looks like your under control again, good to hear.

DH is going away tomorrow for 7 days, so I'm going to Wellington for 2 days. Dropping in to see Nikki on the way. Yay, can't wait. How exciting meeting another BW in the flesh! Then hopefully seeing Karen in Auckland. Hey, where is Karen? Hello, where are you???

Funny story, not to do with babies, but me. DH bought this really special luxury Marine Bath 'thing' for me for Christmas. He thought it was like a bubble bath. So last night I decided to finally lie back and relax in a bath and read my book. I run the bath, strip down, open the sachet and ....OMG it's greeny black gunk!! Looked at the sachet and it's a seaweed product. So DH looks up on the website he bought it from, but it doesn't say what to do with it, but says it's for detoxing. So I decide it must be something I'm meant to cover myself in. And, it did say 'application' on the packet. So here I am smothering myself in what resembles dark green mud, all over my body!!! :lol: I looked like I was about to run naked thru a bush covered in war paint (military comment from DH - can you tell?!) What a laugh. Didn't know how long to keep the stuff on, so stood there about 5 mins, got bored so then sunk into the bath. I"m then bathing in dark green muddy looking water. Oh well, I guess the detoxic ingredients were still lurking in the water! It was a very strange experience and not what DH or I were picturing at all. Oh, I then finished with a shower to get all the green water off!  :lol:  :? Who knows what I was really meant to do with it. I felt nice after though, so I guess it did some good. I've got some bath bombs there which I think I'll use next time!

Gotta go, DH wants computer AND laptop to do something with.  :roll:

BYE BYE
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 19, 2006, 02:34:44 am
PS - oops, sorry my post was sooo long, and my story doesn't seem so funny now that I've read it, but it was funny at the time.  :oops:

I meant to ask, Andrea I think, what was the clean up song????
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 19, 2006, 03:22:01 am
OK guys, what is up with my darn avatars?? I cannot for the life of me get them resized so that they are clear!! I have taken Traci's suggestion and signed on to Photobucket. I resize them to 25% but they are still too big, then I have to resize them on some crappy program I have on my computer and they turn out all blurry!!! WTF??? Any advice?

Hayley - :lol: - I was laughing at your bath story. I was picturing you all naked (:oops: - not picturing you...well...you know what I mean  :roll:) with all this black sludge slathered on you. Nice and relaxing, laying in the green slimy/sludge wondering if it will come off!!  LOL  Also, I'm soooo jealous that you get to meet 2 BW Mom's in person. Should be so fun, don't forget the camera!!

Nancy - I am back at work full time now. Every day, 8:30 - 4:30.

Judy - glad you got your boob issue figured out. How awful to feel crappy when you have 4 kids to run after!!  :shock:

Erin - wondering how Katie did with virtually no naps all day...:?: Molly has had a couple of days at daycare where all she had was a half hour or 45 minute nap all day, we've put her to bed at 5:30 or so and she has slept straight through without a peep!!  :shock:

Have a great evening/night/morning everyone!  Hugs. XX
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 19, 2006, 03:31:35 am
Hi Everyone!

Michelle - that new avatar looks cute.  Can't wait for someone to give you tech support tips so we can see Molly without the slightly elongated head  :wink:  - even with it she's a stunning little girl.

Hayles - I thought your seaweed story was funny too!  That would happen to us too - DH trying to do the right thing but managing to get it all wrong  :lol:

So we have found a day care spot - it's a home day care mum who lives only 2 streets away.  She seems lovely - I'm panicking but I'm sure it will be ok.  Fraser will do 2 half days in February to start to settle in, then will start 1 full day per week mid March.  I'm sure he'll be ok - he'll be nearly 1 by then so considering I went back to work full time when he was only 3 months DH and I have managed really well to maintain his care full time right up until then.  Erin/Michelle/Hannah/Naomi or anyone else who has put their LO into care - did you write out instructions etc?  Hannah, I remember you wrote PU/PD instructions but can't remember if you wrote other instructions??  Anyway, if anyone did and would be willing to share them could you PM them to me?  I think I may have scared the day care lady about the sleeping issue so it might be helpful if I can give her some more info.  TIA!!!

Anyway, I'm on work time so I'd better get back to it.  See you NZ/Aussie mums at chat tonight and the rest of you soon

Cheers
Jo
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Nikki~Nathan&Danielle on January 19, 2006, 03:36:27 am
:lol:  at the seaweed story Hayley, I had a bit of a mental image going on as well.

Jo, yay for getting a placement for Fraser, hope it all works out well.  Thanks for the reminder for tonight, I always forget until I see your post in the lounge.

Michelle, I have trouble getting a clear avatar as well, I only have free sizing software, and it looks fine on my computer but as an avatar it's pretty awful.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Arwyn's mom on January 19, 2006, 04:59:50 am
Jo, Yeah on the daycare... hope it works out!!

Judy... glad you have your boobs back :shock:

Michelle... when you resize, do you click the "keep ratio" option? That may help???

Hayley... LOL!!!!! hmmm... dark green gunk :shock: ... at least it felt good afterwards! And cool that you will meet Nikki... who was the other mum??? Was it Jo?? 8)

Ladies... must do the anti-jinx dance with high kicks and add an Elvis hip swing :lol: because Arwyn went to sleep with NO patting, NO singing and NO crying... I had to PD a few times and leave the room a few times to make her cry on purpose but once I PD, there was no crying and she was asleep in 25 minutes from the time I first put her in her crib with my hand firmly on her back for the last 2 minutes or two. I didn't have my hand on her for most of the time... just the first minute and the last two!!! Okay... gotta do the anti-jinx dance again. Fingers crossed for tonight!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 19, 2006, 05:11:51 am
YEAH ANKIE!!!!!!!  I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!!!!   :D   I hope you have the 'other' Arwyn back!  :D

judy: glad to hear your boob is feeling normal again!!

jo: YEAH!!!!  on finding a daycare you feel good about!  now you can breath a nice sigh of relief. :wink:

hayley: sounds relaxing!  :shock:   Standing naked in the bathroom by yourself for 5 mins covered in green gunk and then soaking in it. :shock:   You probably looked like a creature creeping out of the murky lagoon after! :wink:  :shock:

heather: welcome! and how is it going with henry?

Yesterday we had swim class.  It is at a bad time of day...right when jack usually goes down for his first nap.  :roll:   So by the time the class is over and I feed him he's been up for 4.5 hrs!!!!  :shock:   Anyways, after class yesterday, he was asleep in his carseat I think before I even started the car.  he slept for 2 hours (unheardof!!)- and then wouldn't go down for a second nap! :x   So he was up for 5.5 hrs before bed!!  :shock: But amazingly he was in good spirits most of the time....except for when one of the dogs backed up into him and bumped his head with their butt...he didn't enjoy that too much. :roll:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 19, 2006, 05:21:37 am
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except for when one of the dogs backed up into him and bumped his head with their butt...he didn't enjoy that too much.

I LOL'd at this Micky - reminded me of just yesteday when Fraser, feeling a little precious all day  :roll: , knocked over the water bottle in the kitchen (plastic bottle, lid on, no drama etc).  Well, you'd have thought the world ended, the sobbing and the tears.  Ah, Fraser, your "touchy" is showing.   :roll:  :wink:
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Little Bear's Mum on January 19, 2006, 07:02:53 am
Hi girls

Oh phew, I'm glad my story didn't bore you all senseless.

Ankie - well done, yay, jumpting for joy, happy dance..... :D  :D  :D

Micky - I cracked up reading about Dog vs Baby, I know, Jack didn't think it was funny, I"m sorry for laughing - really  :wink: And great that he slept for so long.

Jo - that's great about day care, especially that she's just around the corner.

My good news for the day is DANIEL ATE DINNER BY HIMSELF WITHOUT CRYING! I fed him, so he didn't 'eat' by 'himself' but we didn't have to eat at the same time.  :D He had two normal sleeps again today (1.5h approx each) and woke from his second nap at 4.30pm. Well, I counted back the hours and thought because he last ate at 12.00, bottle 170mls at 1pm, surely he'll be hungry by now. So I brought the chair to the lounge (and when he saw it he smiled  :) ) then put some cheese, a sandwhich and a spare spoon infront of him, and proceeded to feed him some jarred food. Well, to my surpise and amazement he ate it all! No grizzles. Wasn't interested in the finger food, but that's fine. Oh, and I also put some milk into his sipper and gave him that as he ate. He took about 20 mls only. I was so relieved. Much easier than holding him off until 6pm and then trying to feed me and him. I think the reduction in milk intake is the key difference, HE'S HUNGRY.

Ok, enough from me, not sure if I'll have a chance to say hi in the morning, before I head south, so might not be back until Sunday.  :cry: I'll miss you girls. See you tomorrow Nikki  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: FrasersMum on January 19, 2006, 09:47:54 am
Hi Everyone

Just posting a quick message as a favour to Bec

Cryptic I know!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Carter'sMama on January 19, 2006, 13:56:55 pm
Ah bloody heck!!!  Just as I am starting to post someone rings the doorbell, not once, not twice but THREE friggin times and it is only 8:30am!!!  Anyway my big attack dog took off for the front door (he has a really deep scary voice) and scared whoever it was away.  I imagine it was some politician person as the election is very soon (not sure when .. bad Canadian!!  :roll: )  I definitely wasn't going to answer it .. not showered .. no make-up ...  The dog did scare Carter though too so he started crying his little head off.  Everyone is better now though so on with the post!!!

Micky:  Funny story about the dog!!!  We have a lot of "dog-related" injuries here as well!  Carter loves teh dog so much that he always looks soooo upset when Boss does something that ends of scaring or hurting him!!

Ankie:  Yeah for Arwyn going down so well.  I hope that your night was great too!

Hayley:  Yeah for Daniel eating his food!  That must have made meal times alot less stressful for you!!

Jo:  Yeah for daycare!!!  There are lots of Yeah's this morning!!!  I hope I am as lucky as you and find somewhere soon!!!  I just finished my application for one place yesterday and have to mail it today.

As for the dishwasher!!!  I never had one growing up (I was the dishwasher) and neither did DH.  So, when we bought this house, it came with a dishwasher and it works great we just never use it.  I must admit I am not very good at loading it either  :oops:  :roll:   Whenever I ask DH if we can use it (as in can he load it??)  he just says he'll wash them instead.  Then I know he is giving me attitude so I say fine I will wash them and then I end up doing them. I can wash them better and quicker than he can.  We have used it maybe once a month in the three and a half years we have lived here. When we have more kids then I will definitely use it more.  As it is now I only have to wash dishes once a day (usually after dinner) and Dh says it is cheaper for me to wash them then to run the dishwasher  :roll:   I just got sick of arguing about it ...

Some bad news here ... my fancy-pantsy cat is sick AGAIN!!  I phoned my work to take him in today and he is booked for a possible PTS (put to sleep).  **  Warning this is going to be gross**  He started pooping on the floor the last week or so.  Usually on my bath mat (friggin cat!!) or on the tile floor.  Neither is that hard to clean up although the bath mat has been washed multiple times in the last week.  Anyway, DH HATES my cat and dog and is always giving me grief about having them.  He always says he will shoot them both (don't think he could actually do it though).  I know I am not making my DH out to sound like a very nice person ... he is really!!  He never had animals growing up and his dad is an avid hunter so he doesn't have a lot of respect for animals.  Anyway, my cat has had recurrent UTI's that won't go away partly because of his messed up genetics and I have a feeling he has another one or maybe even bladder stones which I cannot afford to do surgery for (even with my discount).  So ... if all the tests come back fine then it means he is pooping out of bad behavious (known for with his breed) and then I will have to put him to sleep.  Especially now that Carter is crawling.  Here's hoping that he has a simple bladder infection that I can try to fix with antibiotics.  I've only had him for 3 years (adopted from a shelter).  Dh had originally told me that I couldn't have any cats unless I could find one that was like a cat I housesat for.  So basically it had to be declawed, toothless, persian/himalayan with a pug face (pushed in face). He never thought I would find one but I did through my friends at the humane society!! 

Anyway, sorry so long .. just feeling pretty crappy about the whole cat thing.  I am very against euthanasia unless very sick so ...
Congrats if you made it to the end of this long vent/ramble session!!

Try and have a good day everyone!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Erin M on January 19, 2006, 14:40:31 pm
Oooh Ankie - can't wait to hear how your night went.  Hope it went well, sounded like a promising beginning. 

Jo - my daycare had about a gazillion questions on a form that I filled out, also we did an intake interview where they had a ton more, so I never actually wrote anything down for them.  I filled them in on Katie's wind down, but haven't asked them to do any sort of PU/PD since there are so many kids, just don't think they'd have the time for it.  Plus, it would probably wake the other kids up. 

Michelle - Katie fell asleep on the way home yesterday (about 3:45) transfered into her crib well and I woke her up at 5:30.  Bedtime was a tad bit later, but she slept great.  She's been there for four months now, you think the place would stop being so darn interesting, though she was in another room yesterday so that could have done it.

Cathy - hope the cat turns out ok.  We're seriously considering having my one cat declawed as she is not so nice and we're worried about Katie getting scratched.  She's almost 10 though, so I would feel rather badly about it; however, the alternative may be to get rid of her.  We'll see how it goes.  Welcome to the world of mobility!  Gets a little crazy!

Judy - glad the boob is better and didn't turn into anything worse. 

Hayley - yeah for dinnertime!  Have a great trip and take pictures. Wow, I'm jealous that you get to meet other moms.  I think Traci is my closest mom and she's probably an 8-9 hour car ride away.  Oh, and your story made me laugh too.  It's just funny to think of you all covered in this stuff, saying "OK, now what?"....

Nikki - yeah for Danielle and her mobility too!

Micky - poor Jack, getting run over by the dog!  We've had the days too where first nap gets completely delayed, second nap long, only one nap - tend to be rough days - sometimes I think she's ready for just one nap and then we have a day like that and I realize the one nap days are not quite here yet.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 19, 2006, 16:03:35 pm
hi girls!

erin: He didn't even get run over by the dog.  :roll:   That's what makes it so funny...well funny for me....not so much for him.  The dog was at his water bowl and was backing up from it and Jack was sitting right behind him and got a bum in the face.  :lol:  :lol:    :roll:   he didn't get knocked over or anything!!!  Such a sensitive sweety.  :D  I enjoyed giving him cuddles anyhoo.

Hayley: Have FUN!!!!!  say hi to Nikki and karen!!  Where the heck is Karen????

Cathy: I hope your cat turns out ok.  I had a similar problem with one of my cats.  I had him for his whole life tho (11 yrs) and did EVERYTHING to try and fix his litterbox problem.  He had off and on issues with the litterbox for 7 years!!!!! :roll:  :shock:   I finally had to put him to sleep before Jackson came along because he wasn't getting any better and the vet and I worked thru every possibility of getting him to use his litterbox again.  :(   I felt awful having to make that decision and mourned him alot but now it is sooooo much easier not having to worry if Jack is going to crawl into something or put something in his mouth he shouldn't be!!!   :shock:  EEEEEWWWWWW!!!!!  And it is also a lot less work!!!!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: HeatherC on January 19, 2006, 16:11:39 pm
Hi, everyone.  Would you like to start a new thread since you have 82 pages?  I'll check back in a bit and make sure that's okay with everyone.
Thanks!
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kate585 on January 19, 2006, 16:28:45 pm
We could definitely start a new thread...but, to us, 82 pages is just a Baby Thread.   :lol:   Who's going to start it this time?  Hmmmmm...stay tuned! 

Yeah for Jo!  I knew a great solution would fall into your lap.  I wrote a 5 page letter for babysitters and my in-laws who watch Ryan 2 am's a week.  Was mercilessly ridiculed for it, but I wanted everyone to know what they needed to do.  I saved it to my computer and just change it as things change, i.e. eating solids, crawling, taking care of his helmet (back in the day).  I've been meaning to update it again, so I'll pm it to you after that.  Not the same as Hannah's more detailed one, I'm sure, but maybe it can get you started. 

Yeah for Ankie, too!  Can't wait to hear an update! 

Boo for Hayley, Nikki, and Karen.  Okay, that was just my jealousy talking.  Have so much fun and I second the taking pictures comment!

Well, the Picky Eater has returned.  Didn't want to eat the turkey patties.   :(   He doesn't seem to like warm food  :?  so I think I need to offer it more often.  Also, I broke it up into teeny tiny pieces instead of giving him the whole thing.  Will try that today.  Dh and I ate them too and they were really good.  So cute to see the baby sized ones next to our big ones (although dh said they reminded him of White Castles (really gross and small burgers for those who have never had Sliders...called Sliders b/c they slide right through ya!   :lol: )  b/c they were so small.   :roll:   (Not b/c of the taste!)  I always forget that burgers shrink when you fry them.  Again, not that best cook!   :lol: ).  [That may be a record for the most parentheses used in a sentence!]   :roll:
Title: Good Morning and Thanks
Post by: Henrysmom on January 19, 2006, 16:35:28 pm
So, we did wake to sleep last night.  I went in at midnight and found Henry asleep on his belly.  As a good paranoid parent, I worried while I flipped him over, but he seemed to have been happy as a clam.  He made a bit of noise at 5:30, but put himself back to sleep fairly quickly, and then he slept until 7:00.  Very nice!  So, I guess we'll do this again tonight.  It was also nice for me to know that he could fall asleep on his belly if he wanted to.  Thanks to all of you for the reminders and words of encouragement.

I'm also glad to hear that I'm not the only one suffering from the no sleep signs.  When Henry was really little it was quite obvious when he was tired, he would just start to fall asleep wherever he was.  For awhile now it's been the eye rubbing, but I don't always get that anymore.  I thought I might just be paying less attention or something.  I guess I'll look for whatever the next signal is.

We'll keep our fingers crossed for another success tonight.
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: mickymuscles on January 19, 2006, 17:54:02 pm
Yeah Heather!!!

Good to hear that W2S worked for you and Henry!  :)  I'll do the anti-jinx dance for you!  :lol:  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: Taylor's Mommy on January 19, 2006, 18:56:02 pm
HI Ladies.  quick post because it's time to shower and Taylor is due to wake up from nap #1 soon.

Anki-Words cannot say how happy I am for you guys and the progress you've made!  Yay!!!   :D   :D

Judy-glad the boobs are doing well again

Hayley-I thought your bath story was funny!   :lol:  Also, I can't remember the clean up song as it was just our first day, but after next Tuesday i'll pay better attention and then sing it all back to you guys!

Jo-Yay on finding daycare!

Traci-how are you hangin in there?

Okay, gotta run.  sorry so brief

Oh ya!  I meant to come on here originally to say the W2S thing has worked!!  2 more days of sleeping past 7!  Yay!   :D  :D  :D
Title: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: kq on January 19, 2006, 20:13:51 pm
Hi all,
Missed you all!!!! :(  Had to work the weekend...and that coincided with the last of our visitors leaving. We have had a stream of visitors since Christmas and they finally all left on the 15th. They have been staying here but we have quite a roomy house so it was not too bad although Sam definitely slept much better when they were away seeing the country. Had to take them out to dinner for their last night here and mum babysat. She arrived just on bedtime and Sam got so darn excited that he did not get to sleep till 8.30pm and was overtired! Woke at 4 am and we have had a few days with 4 am wakings and trying to get him back to bed while working was a bit of a mission. To cut a long story short, have been lurking but too tired to string  sentence together. Have not taken notes so I am sorry if I miss anyone out!

Heather-welcome! Congrats on w2S success! That goes for you too Andrea and I might have to come to you for advice if this 4 am waking continues.

Hayley-LOL on green muck!  :lol: Looking forward to seeing you. Let me know when you get here and we will organise something.

Micky-LOL on the butt in face story :lol:  :lol: Priceless!

Judy-hope the boob problem resolves completely

Ankie and Arwyn-well done!! Hope your night went well after that.

Cathy-sorry about having to decide on your cat. That is the reason I don't have pets, I could not bear to have to make that decision. I don't envy you.

Jo-Yay for daycare!

That is all I can remember. Q-when you give finger foods and also want to spoon in stuff when do you give the finger foods ie with the meal or before or after? I find that if I give it with the meal, Sam will not eat anything I spoon in but it takes him so long to it a miniscule amount and he is hungry afterwards. It is almost as if he gets bored with eating and wants to play only to find he is still hungry after a few minutes of play. I will try after. He is not good enough at finger foods to take enough. Ideas anyone?

Traci-hang in there and we are praying and thinking about you. I second Judy about remembering to look after yourself.

Sorry for long post.
Karen
Title: Re: March/April '05 Thread #4
Post by: albertasweetpea on January 20, 2006, 19:47:09 pm
Hey all. I started a new thread, one of the Mods suggested it so I figured why the heck not?? We are on Thread #5!! What a bunch of Yappy Mommies! [/font][/color]