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Title: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on April 18, 2006, 23:26:42 pm
I thought it might be useful to have a place where we could focus questions about 'weaning'. People could share their experiences and offer support.
The 'weaning' experience is of course a massive spectrum. Some of us will be choosing to practise child-led weaning or 'self-weaning'. Others will be firmly taking the lead (sometimes called 'mother-led weaning') and some will be choosing an option in the middle! Of course on this site we will emphasise the need to 'listen' to your LO and respect them as individuals whatever path you are choosing.
Questions about switching to formula or introducing bottles may sometimes be best answered on the bottle-feeding forum.
The introduction of solid food at around 6 months can be discussed on the feeding solid food board.

Does anyone want to start with a description of a positive weaning experience or a question for others?
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: DarbysMom on April 20, 2006, 16:05:22 pm
I am currently working to cut out the 10:30 pm feed.  I think we might have it down tonight. If i can get enough food in her during the day.  My question is which one should go next? The next time she wakes up (about 12:30 am or so) or the 4 am?

Next a question about daytime weaning to a cup.  I'm also trying to encourage sippy cup use during the day.  Not much success.  Ususally a little sip & then a toss across the room. I have tried soy milk & now goats milk.  No great success with either.  Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on April 20, 2006, 19:37:40 pm
Congratulations on being the first person to post on this thread.

How are you 'dropping' feeds? Have you been using other methods to get her back to sleep or has she not actually been waking at 10.30? I think it will partly depend on how she responds to a few nights of not having the 10.30. If she wakes up desperately hungry it may be hard to drop the next feed. You could try giving a shorter feed at 12.30 and seeing if that means she goes until 4am. Are these the times she is waking herself? They are very specific. Have you tried using 'wake to sleep' and resettling her without a feed before the usual time.

I found sippy cup use was a gradual thing whatever was in it. Have you tried expressed milk? I used to stick with water initially and use a cup which didn't require too hard a suck. Even a free-flowing one isn't too much of a tragedy if it's only got water in it. Some of them are extremely difficult to actually drink out of.  Maybe that's why they are called sippy cups.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: VickyB20 on April 20, 2006, 20:29:39 pm
Ella is 7 1/2 months old now and has clearly told me when she's wanted to drop a feed.  I think being on a 4-hour EASY before introducing solids helped us both - she knew what to expect and it gave me confidence to follow her lead.  Although I worry sometimes that she's not getting enough milk (don't we all?!) most of the time I'm happy knowing that she gets what she needs and clearly communicates that to me, whether it's more or less.  I hope to continue with the 'self-weaning' for as long as it takes.

With regards sippy cups, Ella used to just bite it and throw it across the room!  (She hit the cat with it once, which was kinda funny in a slightly cruel way!)  Now she's figured it out though and happily takes an oz or so of water at each meal.

Vicky
xx
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 21, 2006, 19:24:16 pm
We started to instroduce a sippy cup with water around 6 months or so - tried different kinds (and I tried them myself too!) to see which worked best for her.  Water was cheaper and less messy.  It took a number of months to get the hang of it, though.  As for milk - we tried EBM when she started daycare at almost a year old - seemed to work better there with other kids drinking, but it took a few weeks of them offering every day until she got it.  By 13 or 14 months, she started drinking cow's milk great from the sippy (we're now using Avent because it's harder for her to make a mess with it!) - although less at home.  I try not to stress about it and supplement with yogurt and cheese at least 2 or 3 times a day.

DarbysMom - how old is your lo?  I found the 4 am waking one of the hardest to break - but past a years or so, I really think it has less to do with hunger and more to do with habit and just getting into that light sleep in the wee hours.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: jbepko on April 22, 2006, 03:13:11 am
This is what I did with my daughter- I started around 11 months or so, I introduced regular milk for one bottle at her daycare and after a week or so moved it to two bottles substitution adn then a week later three bottle substitution. The daycare was already using sippy cups for lunch and juice, so she took the cup iwth milk without any problems. For the evening (right after work) nursing, I offered solids first adn just offered breast if she wanted and she stopped indicating a need after 2 or 3 days. For the first am nursing, I offered her solids first and she never missed the nursing! Took about 4-5 weeks, it was gradual and we both did fine. No leaking, no engorgement, no mastitis, etc. I distinctly remember about 5 days after her last nursing she had an ear infection (and she loved ot nurse for comfort). I offered her the breast adn she looked at me...what's that for? For the next year of so, she would look at my breasts and have this look in her eyes. All in all...it was traumatic for me and incredibly easy for her. In fact, it hurt my feelings that she didn't seem to miss it at all! She just told me the other day (with her 3.5 yo wisdom) that her boobies will get big when she has a baby so she can feed him (I am nursing her 8.5 mo brother)!
Title: Any advice for weaning an older child?
Post by: Ash&Jo on April 24, 2006, 01:22:02 am
I think I may have posted to the wrong thread previously and, as I am new to 'posting', will repost here now. I'm looking for some advice/support for weaning my daughter who will turn 3 in July. Mostly because she doesn't sleep through, wanting to feed constantly b/n 3am and 6am, and her dad is over the sleep deprivation (we'd also like another baby before we are too old, and can't undergo any fertility treatment until she is weaned). She's very communicative, so reasoning with her might be possible (if you ask her, she says she'll 'have mummy's milk' until her 'happy birthday' (ie, when she turns 3)). All advice appreciated, as I can already feel the rising dread of having to do this, even though I know it's a natural part of growing up (for both of us, I guess) ...
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on April 24, 2006, 12:17:57 pm
Congratulations on such a magnificent breastfeeding record! I'm sure you'll have lots to offer us on this board.

This article has some interesting suggestions about weaning a toddler. I don't agree with all its language (it concentrates a lot on 'tantrums') but it has a lot to think about. I'll paste it here in full in case the link ever disappears so it'll be on this thread for good.

Here are my suggestions for mother-led weaning and                     
 handling tantrums.                                                     

Disclaimer:  Please ignore any suggestions you don't want.           
 Breastfeeding is healthy for children;  this advice is               
 not to be taken as encouragement to decide to wean, but
 only as advice on how to wean if you have decided to.               
 Many people use "child-led" weaning, simply waiting until         
 the child stops nursing.
 The advice is based on weaning older children.  Breastmilk
 is good for the health of older children, too.  Their
 brains are still growing (their heads aren't adult size
 yet) and breastmilk contains fatty acids needed for brain
 growth.  If a child gets the flu, it's good to be able
 to give them breastmilk;  sometimes they vomit everything
 else.  Breastmilk has many beneficial properties and I'm
 sure it's good for the health of older children in many
 ways.  The World Health Organization recommends
 breastfeeding
 for at least two years.  Nothing in this article is
 intended
 to mean that people "must" or "should" do any particular
 thing.  The imperative is sometimes used to save space,
 but all of these are just suggestions.  Every family is
 unique and children may not behave as described here.
 End of disclaimer.

 Balance three principles:

 (1) Love and compassion
 (2) Consistency
 (3) Your right not to breastfeed

 You have the right not to breastfeed.  It's your body.
 You have the power, too.  You're bigger than the kid;
 you can keep your shirt buttoned.  A kid has a tantrum
 in an attempt to influence you, but you decide how
 you're influenced.  Suddenly deciding never to nurse
 again satisfies your right not to breastfeed.
 It's short on both love and consistency, though.  If
 you were willing to nurse for 18 minutes yesterday,
 being willing to nurse for 16 minutes today is reasonable
 consistency.  Suddenly stopping nursing altogether might
 leave the child wondering, "what did I do wrong?"

 You decide the balance.  If it's extremely important
 to you never to nurse again, then never nurse again.
 Remember, though, that it's likely extremely important
 to your child to continue nursing.

 Giving in and nursing after a half-hour tantrum after
 you'd said you wouldn't nurse is definitely not
 consistency, though it may be compassion.

 For tantrums, I recommend consistently (always or
 very, very close to always) refusing to change your
 mind just because of a tantrum.  Or, if you're going
 to change your mind, do it early in the tantrum or
 preferably before the tantrum.  Compassion says to change
 your mind;  consistency says to stick to your
 decision.  Giving in after a half-hour tantrum
 shows the kid that tantrums are worthwhile and
 encourages more half-hour tantrums in the future.
 "She hasn't given in yet.  Maybe I need to be louder."

 Before saying something that the kid might disagree
 with, I suggest stopping and thinking.  Ask yourself
 whether you're ready to sit through a tantrum.
 How tired and hungry is the child?  How tired and
 hungry and irritable are you?  If you're too tired
 to sit through a tantrum calmly, then consider just
 not saying the thing.  Don't do this:  say it, wait for the
 tantrum, then give in.  Just act as if that was what
 you were going to do the first time.  Example:
 rather than just saying, "let's go home from the
playground now," say "let's go and buy
 some raspberries and then go home."
 Example:  rather than saying, "no nursing now",
 say "OK, five minutes."  And then stick with it.
 But as Barbara Coloroso says, if what you said the
 first time was stupid, don't stick with it.  You're
 allowed to change your mind.  You can show compassion...
 just don't get in the habit of giving in after
 tantrums or whining.  If you feel loving, it's compassion.
 If you feel resentful, it's giving in.

 Sometimes a kid having a tantrum is best left alone
 for a while to calm down.  After a while the kid may
 accept hugs and calming words.  It's good to show
 affection like this to a kid who's experiencing
 strong emotions.  Keep clear in your mind what is
 affection and what is giving in.  Loving words, hugs
 and an offer to fetch a drink are affection.
 Changing your mind about the thing that triggered
 the tantrum is giving in;  telling the kid at this
 point that you'll buy them some candy is probably
 in the same category.

 People need exercize when angry.  It's good to
 encourage the child to run, kick, punch a pillow,
 etc. rather than just holding the child still to
 avoid having anyone get hurt, though sometimes this
 may be necessary.  If you're getting angry yourself,
 going out for a walk is good.

 Back to weaning.  I suggest gradually setting more
 and more limits on the nursing.  If you feel resentful
 about nursing, that's a sign that maybe you need to
 speed up the weaning.  If the child objects a lot,
 that's a sign that maybe you need to slow it down.

 First step:  establish a pattern of having the
 child wait calmly after asking to nurse and before
 nursing.  Do this by having gradually increasing
 lengths of time between the asking and the nursing.
 Fill this time with ritual actions like pouring
 yourself a drink, so the child knows you haven't
 forgotten and also knows you won't speed up if
 he/she cries.

 Next step:  establish that you can refuse to nurse.
 Don't do that at bedtime;  bedtime will probably be
 the last nursing to go.  When the child is not too
 tired or irritable, say something like, "not right
 now." and do something else instead like read a story.
 At first, when the child asks again half an hour later
 just nurse as usual.  Gradually you can increase the
 number of times you refuse, without the child objecting
 too strongly.  Remember to use a loving tone of voice
 when refusing, and to give the child other kinds of
 attention.

 Next step:  restrict nursing to certain times of day.
 For example, you might establish a pattern that
 naptime and bedtime are the only nursing times.
 Say, "I'll nurse you at bedtime" if the child asks
 to nurse during the day.

 Next step:  gradually decrease the length of time of
 the nursing sessions.  You might start with a limitation of
 20 minutes of nursing, warning the child when there were           
 5 minutes or 2 minutes left.  It's good to be consistent
 about the warnings.  If I forgot the 2 minute warning,
 I would pretend nothing was unusual, give a 2 minute
 warning, and nurse for an extra 2 minutes.  The child
 becomes accustomed to the 5 and 2 minute warnings and
 may accept a tacit gradual reduction in the
 length of the nursing session.  Later, you can start with
 "OK, I'll nurse for 5 minutes," giving the 2-minute
 warning, and still later just "OK, I'll nurse for 2 minutes."

 To end the nursing session, say "It's time to stop now,"
 give the child a few seconds to stop by themselves, and
 if they don't, then stick your finger in their mouth and
 make them stop.  If they stop by themselves you can smile
 and thank them for stopping.  If you make them stop you
 can still smile.  Don't punish them or require them to stop
 by themselves.  After nursing don't wait around for
 them to ask for more but immediately announce what's
 happening next, "I'm reading you a story now" or
 "I'm cooking dinner now,"  give the child a hug and get up.

 The steps can be mixed, actually.  As you shorten the
 nursing times, you can also gradually put more restrictions
 on the situations you're willing to nurse in.

 The value of consistency is this:  if you do
 different things at different times,
 the child gets the impression that their tantrums and whines
 seem to work sometimes;  you seem to be giving in
 sometimes.  But if you're consistent, then you're
 predictable, and the child can clearly see that the
 tantrums are having no effect.

 Consistency must be in ways that are meaningful to
 the child.  A child who has trouble telling the difference
 between naptime and bedtime will think it highly
 inconsistent of you to always nurse at bedtime but
 not at naptime.  It will help a bit if you explain, "I nurse
 if we're going to sleep when it's dark outside."
 Remember that the child will take this literally, if
 it's dark due to thunderstorms or light outside late
 in the summer.  Also it may seem illogical to the child,
 like if your husband were to say to you, "I only carry
 on long conversations with you on even-numbered days of
 the month".

 Consistency doesn't have to mean doing exactly the same
 thing every time.  Part of consistency is doing what you
 say;  being predictable.  Perhaps sometimes, when the
 child asks, you nurse immediately, and other times you
 say, "I'll get myself a drink and then I'll nurse."
 Consistency here means that if you say you'll get a
 drink, you always do, even if the child cries.

 One hurdle to get over is ending a bedtime nursing
 session before the child is asleep.  I suggest something
 like this:  A few days before, say "I might not always
 nurse you until you're all the way asleep."  Then start
 saying, before nursing to sleep, "I might not nurse you
 all the way asleep today.  I'll nurse for 20 minutes
 (or 'until I'm tired'), and if you're asleep then, fine,
 and if you're not, I'll ask you to stop nursing and
 please go the rest of the way to sleep yourself."
 It's important to use a loving tone of voice when saying
 this and to hug the child.  If you use a loving tone of
 voice the child is much more likely to accept it.
 Phrase it like asking the child a big favour:  "Mummy is
 tired;  I'm asking you to help me and go part of the
 way to sleep yourself.  I'll nurse you until you're
 partway to sleep, and then you go to sleep yourself."
 Then nurse for a while, and say quietly and very lovingly,
 "I need to stop nursing now," hug the child, stop nursing,
 hug the child again, and lie quietly to go to sleep.
 If this doesn't work, I'm not sure what to do.
 I suggest getting the child used to restrictions on
 nursing during the daytime before doing this.

 I think sometimes "giving in" when a child is having
 a tantrum may be the right thing to do.  But very
 rarely!  Or perhaps such situations never arise in
 some families.  When you "give in", then the child
 learns that tantrums work.  Giving in to one tantrum
 can lead to many tantrums in the future because
 the child has hope that you may give in again.

 It's good to be sensitive to your child's needs
 and wants and preferences and feelings.  It's good
 to be influenced by these things.  The child should
 have some control or influence over what happens.
 However, it's not necessary to let tantrums be the
 way these feelings are communicated.  It's better
 to listen to the child when the child gives quiet
 or subtle or assertive messages, and respond to these.
 If a child says loudly, "I don't want to go!" it's
 OK to say, "OK, we won't go then."  This is responding to an
 emphatic, assertive message from the child.
 This is not "giving in";  this is changing your mind
 based on the child's input.  It's good to do that.
 (It's your decision, though;  you know whether it's
 a situation where this decision is appropriate.)

 It's not a good idea, though, to do this:  Child says,
 "I don't want to go!"  You say, "We have to go, though."
 Child yells, breaks things, and won't let you put his/her
 coat on.  You then say "OK, I guess we won't go."
 Here, you've refused to respond to the child's assertive
 message, but you've responded to a tantrum.  This
 teaches a child that tantrums are the way to get a
 message across to you.  It's better to be more sensitive,
 to let the child get messages across more easily than that.
 Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because the
 child uses an angry tone of voice to tell you something,
 that you should refuse them.  You can say, "You feel very
 strongly about that.  OK, we won't go.  Your tone of
 voice hurt me, though.  Please talk more quietly next time."
 (But make sure you take the child's preferences into account
 when the child does talk quietly!)

 Be steadfast.  Learn to wait all the way through a tantrum,
 staying calm yourself and not yelling at the child, and
 being confident in yourself that you won't change your
 mind and give in.  Resolve to yourself, "No matter what
 he/she does, I won't get mad and I won't change my mind."
 And then offer the child love and understanding.[/font]

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~an588/wean.txt

I'm not sure who it's by and apologies for weird format!

Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: DarbysMom on April 25, 2006, 16:16:55 pm
Samuel's Mum,
 I'm replying to your comments from 4/20.  Sorry for the delay...a bit busy the last few days.  When we dropped the 10:30 feed DH was going in when she woke up (times are +/- 15min to 30 min).  He started with pu/pd.  We realized that since she just turned 11m., we should be careful to not just trade bad habits. So, now he is doing a little pat, pat & soothing words. Some time she is standing in the crib, some times just sitting.   When we started (2 weeks ago) it was 40 min of crying.  Second night about 20 min. then 10 min for a few nights & then last night she did not wake up until 12:30 (when she typically eats next  after going to sleep after a 10:30 wakeup).

Next step is to either cut out the 4:30 feeding (she wakes on her own) because I think it is habit OR to push her on the 12:30 feed.  Which do you think is best?

On the sippy cup, I decided to put water in it which worked well & then put about 30% pear juice from home canned pears.  Now she really like it, since pears are her favorite.  During the day I'm doing "don't offer, don't refuse" for nursing.  Typically right now it works out to be a morning feed about 8:30 (after she eats breakfast at 6:30), one before her afternoon nap & then at bedtime (7pm).  I always make sure she has high chair food first & offer the sippy cup first. 

RedStarFalling - thanks for the info.   Do you suggest pushing the 12:30 to see if she can make it until 2 or 3am & then cutting the 4am so she eats after she wakes for the day (about 6am) or keep the 12:30 & press on with the 4am?

Also,  the mother led weaning was really good. I saw it on another thread.  I let DH read it to help him see why I need his help so much & that we both needed to be doing/saying the same things.  It helped him remember it's our job to teach & guide in the right direction.  Thanks for the-repost of it here.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on April 25, 2006, 19:31:56 pm
Darbysmom - I think go with instincts - if you feel 4.30 really is habit then start with that. See what happens. The only problem might be it could be harder to get her back to sleep because she's already had most of a night's sleep.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Beata on April 25, 2006, 20:46:06 pm
Jeni - I am planning to do just that...although I sarted with the noontime feed, Cate got sick Friday, so back to square one once she is better  ;D

I did realize that she is quite fond of bf, and I always thought it would be easy to wean :-\

This is a great thread ladies, enjoying it.

I am concerned because dd does not like whole milk (or at least won't drink more than a few gulps before she realizes it's not water in that sippy!)  ::)

Should I try another way...I try to put milk into cereal, and other foods, and I give her yogurt and cheese. Should I just be sure to replace the calories, or just let her still eat however much she wants?

Thanks!

Beata
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: milliesmaw on April 25, 2006, 22:12:35 pm
Good and timely thread! Darby's mum - DS is 9 months and was waking 3 times a night. I worked on the first wake up which was about 10pm and we stopped that using pu/pd. Then for a while he just went straight through till 4am missing out a 1am feed. But now we have had illness and the wakings have come back so i have been feeding again ::) Personally I would work on dropping the 12.30pm feed. For me it is easier to do at that time of night than at 4am when I'm not at my best ;) And it might be more confusing if she stops feeding at 10pm then feeds then stops feeding if you know what I mean. However that is totally my opinion. I will be looking to wean the night feeds again after this cold has gone and my ds is well settled at nursery. Even if I can get him back down to one feed at 4am then I will be happier.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: DarbysMom on April 26, 2006, 02:17:45 am
Milliesmaw,
I was thinking th same thing about the 12:30 vs the 4 feeding.  I think we will try ti push the 12:30 through to the next wake up. If I'm lucky thenshe might forget about the 4am and sleep until 6 maybe.  We'll see.  Hope your lo is feeling better.  My lo has a runny nose and bit of a fever tonight too so we will see how she does.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 26, 2006, 15:36:59 pm
I agree - I was also going to suggest trying to drop the 12:30 feed - it's possible that once she starts getting used to sleeping the longer stretch, she might get until morning.  Most babies by about a year are able to go the night through if they're eating well during the day.

Beata - it took quite a while for my lo to take whole milk too - just keep offering and make sure she's getting the calcium in other forms too - it's really the calcium in the milk that's more important at this stage - and the protein.  But if she gets it in other sources and is eating solids well, then the actual milk might not be a big deal.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: milliesmaw on April 26, 2006, 21:39:08 pm
Darbysmom - let us know how you get on! i've actually hit a bit of a snag with the 4am feeding in that ds won't go back to sleep which makes it all v frustrating ::) And me tired :(
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: deenz on April 27, 2006, 03:25:26 am
Just thought I would quickly share our weaning 'experience'! 

Dd1 was completely weaned about 6 wks ago at 26m (my decision!).  Of course the whole process started with the introduction of solids at 6m when we were at 5 breastfeeds a day (4hr EASY plus DF).  We dropped the DF just before 7m, then I dropped the 3pm ish feed at around 10m (dd1 was not a great solids eater).  At around 8/9m we started offering solids before the bf.  Then on her 1st birthday I dropped the lunch time feed, so we were down to two feeds a day.  When I say I dropped them, that's literally what I did - just didn't offer them to her.  I suppose she was so busy that she didn't mind!  Well, actually for the DF I only offered one side for two nights, then just stopped (usually two-sided feedings).  The DF was already quite early at around 9.30pm.

We introduced cow's milk at 1 yr out of an ordinary cup (I would hold it), and it took her quite a while to drink more than a sip.  I don't know if it was the taste or what.  I wasn't worried about it though, as she had yogurt and cheese in her diet.  She also was drinking plenty of water.

We introduced water from a sippy cup at about 6m, and it took her until around 10m before she got the hang of it.

So for a few months we stayed at the two feeds (after breakfast and before bed).  But by this stage I was pregnant and was thinking about how I would manage when the new baby came, so decided to drop the before-bed feed.  This took a few weeks as I gradually moved it away from the bedtime routine.  It used to be dinner, bath, story, bf, bed, but I gradually moved the bf to earlier in the routine til it was completely separated from 'bedtime' and then dropped it.

Then through the rest of my pregnancy, and for nearly 6m after dd2 was born we just had the after-breakfast feed.  During the pregnancy dd1 would sometimes go a day without bf'ing (busy, would forget to ask).  But now since I was bf'ing dd2 as well I thought it would be better for my body to just go 'cold turkey', rather than feed one day, then not the next.  So after much 'procrastination' one day I just decided to refuse dd1's requests.  It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be, and probably harder on me than her.  I used distraction as much as possible, and also just explantions - I expressed for a while (at the time I would normally have been feeding dd1) and then put some ebm in a cup, and explained that dd1 was a big girl now and she could have her 'mummy milk' in a cup etc etc.

Anyway, hope that helps someone!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: webfoot on April 27, 2006, 08:10:16 am
 :o  well good news for us we made it to a year! Hooray! I was a former bf dropout so I am so proud we made it this far, although the convineince of it all may do me in! LOL!

Here is my obeservation. With my older two I took the bottle away at one and replaced it with the sip cup no problem. Ds #1 threw a fit or two about it, dd no issues. Bottle gone. Well this one doesn't really take a bottle, he LOVES to nurse and has gotten quite cute about pawing at me when he wants "it".
And the positions he wants to try, it leaves me cracking up. My girlfriend is a le leche leader and was telling me in India the mums just go about their work frisky 1 year old hanging on and nursing and I can TOTALLY see it. It's the sitting in my lap one that is most amusting to me. Anyways.... I'm digressing... bottom line if you make it this far bf all of sudden you are in a pickle aren't you? We have a bf relationship and I"m pretty commited, as long as I don't get bit more than once a week really I'm cool, but Evan is DEEPLY COMMITTED, and probably this is the wrong forum b/c I'm so UN BW with this one, he sleeps with me and bf to sleep. I haven't even gotten my period back b/c we bf so much (told dh we probalby need to seek a solution to the oopsie at this point!) I'm just worried if I don't get it under control now I'll be bf a 3 year old,which is all fine and dandy but I haVe a just past 3 and a just 3 on hand right now and I can't even imagining bf either of them!

I haven't read the following posts very carefully so excuse me if I repeat. On another board someone said the best way to wean is don't offer don't refuse and they natrually do it at 1. I think I'm going to try this method. We have been doing sip cup with juice or milk. He LOVES juice. Milk, not so hot. I don't pump so if it's in a bottle or sip cup he gets either forumla or whole milk. My problem is I'm jsut so bad, at 4am if I can throw out a boob and everyone is happy I'm happy! Also another observation, my older two went through BAD crack of dawn up like a rooster syndrome around 1 year. DD is actually doing it AGAIN much to my chagrin. This bf baby thing, I can slap that boy on the boob and he will bf for an hour and a half while I snooze and as long as the older two are taken care of w/ milk and TV we are good. I think bf is a GREAT solution to the crack of dawn syndrome. LOL!

Obviously I haVen't gathered my thoughts beyond this. I don't feel the "need" to have boobs back or anything so we'll see where this goes, I will be watching to see other's thoughts. I just worry if we don't quit now it's not so easy to quit. KWIM?

Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: blacksburgers on April 27, 2006, 18:12:20 pm
Hi girls!  New here...just starting the EASY plan with my 10-month old, Mason.  We nurse about 4 times during the day with one feed during the night.  I don't nurse him down for naps, however, I do rock him and then put him in his crib once he's asleep.  Last night, we just started the PU/PD that Tracy states using the 9 month and older section.

I'd like to wean Mason off the afternoon feed, after his afternoon nap.  I'd like to pump and give that feed to him in a sippy cup.  Is this a good idea, or should I wait until I can use whole milk?  Once this is established, I'd like to do the same with the after morning nap, then when we wakes up in the morning, then finally, the bedtime nursing.

Any tips are greatly appreciated!! :-)
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Post by: Beata on May 11, 2006, 23:50:23 pm
Well, I think we are officially weaned. I feel okay about it...was not sure I would. Cate will be one this Sunday.  Basically to recap at about 11 months (I was still doing 4 feeds a day, and night feeds during teething or illness) I started offering whole milk all the time. At first dd refused, but last week she started coming around. In the meantime, I cut out one feed a week (first lunchtime, then after the 2nd nap feed, then nighttime, and now morning). I kept offering the morning the last few days, but she never fed for more than a few minutes, so I stopped, offering her breakfast right away, and now she even chugs the whole milk!!!

I thought it would be harder, but I guess spreading it out over the entire month (with the doctor's approval to start the whole milk) help us both get to this point. I have been about 48 hours now with no feeds!  :o and and a bit full...but overall my boobs are already shrinking!!!! So I am a bit happy about that. I was a C cup and then a DD I think while bf, and maybe back to a D now...

So maybe a little more info than you all need, but that's my story! It's been a fantastic experience, and I will occasionally miss the time, but now we are to new ways of finding cuddle time (especially now that Cate hugs and kisses (too cute).

Beata
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Post by: MamaC on May 12, 2006, 14:43:54 pm
So, Beata, to recap (because I'm almost ready to start!) you started the process at eleven months...offered whole milk instead of feeding...and she did fine?  How does it feel to wear normal bras again?!
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Post by: Beata on May 12, 2006, 16:45:05 pm
MamaCobb, that's right...I was really worried at first because she would not really drink the milk, but I kept offering...with cheerios, with mixed cereal, a cup at every meal (she began drinking from a straw, so we skipped the sippy), and like I said I just went right to the meals (replaced lunch first, then the afternoon feed with a snack, then pushed dinner back, so she began refusing the night feed because she was still full from supper, the breakfast!

It took until about a week ago for her to just accept the milk in a cup completely (thank goodness!) and now I'll say, want milk, or want some water, and she either drinks it or shakes her head no.

I still have milk I Think, so I am hoping that quickly diminishes (I'm not engorged or anything plus Aunt Flo is here this week). But it's nice to even wear a larger size of regular bras, not the nursing ones!!! Now I need to put away all the nursing clothes as well. A little sad, but Cate is adjusted, so life goes on!
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Post by: rooby-rooby-roo on May 13, 2006, 20:29:45 pm
Hi there,

I thought i'd post here and see if someone has some advice for me on how to go about weaning Red. After a very hard decision i have decided to wean him at 12 mos. I feel so so selfish as it is my decision and most definitly not his :( :(

Currently he always has the morning and bedtime feed and most days feeds at 11am ish and 4pm ish too. I thought i would aim to get rid of the daytime feeds first. I have just been offering hima sippy with whole milk in but he has rejected it so far. Its good to hear that others have taken to it after a while. Did you warm it or leave it cold? He takes a bottle so i wondered about giving him milk in that, but i had kinda hoped to avoid bottle washing!! Maybe i'll buy a trainer bottle to cup thing specifically for milk.

Which one should go next - morning or bedtime? He does mostly fall asleep when nursing at bedtime but will do the same on a bottle or on the odd occasion he has refused milk he has gone to sleep with no problems.

I have always had plentiful milk, to the point of daily engorgement and noticable fullness if he misses a feed or nurses less. How long will it take my body to adjust and what can i/ should i do to help it?

Cheers guys x x

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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on May 14, 2006, 15:37:44 pm
Clair - it's hard not to feel selfish when you feel like you're the one leading the weaning, I know, but it's a 2-way street, and I think it's hard for both mom and baby to be ready at exactly the same time.  He'll adjust - as will your breasts!  Every woman is different, so I can't give an estimate for how long it'll take them though - I would imagine they'd adjust after a couple of days without a specific feed.  Try to avoid pumping too much because you don't just want to re-stimulate production.  Pump off a bit if you have to or massage in the shower. I certainly found it easier to drop the daytime feeds, then we went to the morning and left bedtime for last (by that time DD was the less interested one of the 2 of us!  ::))

I always gave her cold milk out of the sippy - warming it made no difference in how much she'd take and it was more trouble.  With the cold, if she only had a sip, I'd put it back in the fridge to offer again later.  We still give lots of cheese and yogurt, because her milk drinking is inconsistent.

Good luck and keep us posted - we're here for you! HUGS!

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Post by: beccarman on May 30, 2006, 19:19:07 pm
hi guys!

well this thread has come a a good time for me too, dd and i have set meal times but no set bf times, untill a week ago she fed during the day (and sometimes the night!) whenever she wanted, sometimes only once but sometimes up to 5 or maybe more little feeds. just lately her night time wakings got worse so i decided to see if i could wean her off daytime feeds incase that was making her wake in the night, i wondered whether if she got the milk (and comfort) in the day whenever she wanted or needed it she might think she could get the same at night. a week ago i started giving her whole milk in a beaker (she won't take a sippy cup) with a banana or biscuit after her afternoon nap, i warmed the milk and she sat on my lap so we still had a cuddle! i felt quite bad for being the one to make the decision to stop daytime feeds as i'd always hoped it would be more her choice, i was beginning to really miss her needing me in the day and was having lots of conflicting felings about doing it, today dd was very miserable and crying lots so i offered her a feed and of course she accepted, now i just feel bad for going back on what i decided to do! why am i so confused?! dd seems to have adjusted well which i'm really surprised with as she loves to bfeed, i had visions of having to go to school to feed her or poke my boob through the railing so she could have milk! it seems like she loved it but if i wasn't going to offer she doesn't mind so much, theres been a few times when she would have really like milk from me but i gave her a cuddle and offered the cup again and she was ok, it seems that if i distract her long enough she forgets...any body else seem to be talking themselves round and round in circles about why they are doing this and if its the right thing? am i denying her comfort/nutrition/quite times with mummy??? aaaarrrgh! why is it so confusing?

anyway....

I have always had plentiful milk, to the point of daily engorgement and noticable fullness if he misses a feed or nurses less.

i have the same and still have to wear breast pads all the same, even though its only been a week trying to wean off day time feeds it doesn't seem too bad, dd has a good feed (both sides) morning and night and that helps lots, i think i've been fuller by the morning and have leaks lots more at night but the days haven't been so bad, i've decided to hold off pumping unless it gets really bad, i don't think it will do now...red had some good advice re:shower - it always works for me!


webfoot - i totally agree with every you said! i could have almost written the exact same thing a few weeks ago!! (apart from the having other children bit!) re: odd feeding positions, having a 3 yr old still hanging off your boob, being able to whip it out in the middle of night/day and get a few minutes shut eye and put them back to sleep easily! its reassuring to know other babies are so similar and that the mummies aren't so different either!

bec
xxx
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Post by: MDHmommy on May 31, 2006, 19:34:39 pm
My DS is 6.5 months old, and he and I have had a magnificent run at nursing. I've enjoyed it very much, and he enjoys it very much too. I'm struggling though with how long to nurse him. I know that it's the best thing for him, but part of me wants my body back all to myself! But, when I think about doing it ... gradually cutting out feedings, it makes me so sad that I can't bear it.  :'(

Right now, I work 3 days/week. On those days, I nurse him in the AM and the eve. when I get home - then I give him a bottle of formula at bedtime. On the days I'm home with him, I nurse him 4x (he's on a 4-hour EASY schedule) and give him that last bottle of the night.

I've heard of people successfully dropping all but one feeding. Is this possible?

I've got girlfriends who have done different things...some have nursed into toddlerhood, others weaned at 6 months, and some never even nursed at all. I'm just not sure what to do. Any thoughts or encouragement would be appreciated.
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Post by: daisymelan on June 02, 2006, 11:44:19 am
Each person is different and what they desire to do and what they are able to do.  Some can keep up with one session a day, some cannot even keep up with two.  You will just have to work with what your body is able to accept.  It's a very personal thing whether to keep it up or not, I know everytime I attempted to wean, I changed my mind....  I think I was finally successful on my fourth attempt.
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Post by: sleepless nights on June 05, 2006, 14:25:15 pm
Darbysmom - I think go with instincts - if you feel 4.30 really is habit then start with that. See what happens. The only problem might be it could be harder to get her back to sleep because she's already had most of a night's sleep.

I totally agree...your instincts will guide you...I started to wean Sam when he was 10 months and I let his actions and my instincts guide me.  The easiest feeds to drop where the afternoon because he had other things he was more interested in...then I kept dropping one feed every week - and he sort of led me...afternoon, late afternoon, late morning, now we are trying his night feeding (usually two) and then it will be the ear;y morining and then lastly the last one before bed...I think because that is how much interest he has in each of the feeds.  I have been giving him a cup and/ or sippy cup with first water (6months) then milk (the doctor recommended 2% and then I check with the breast feeding clinic's dietician - she agreed of Sam was eating lots of meat and other milk products with fats in them)...and occasionally juice...he is now pretty good at drinking from a cup and likes very much to hold it on his own...that was my experience...your child might be very different...and I may have a really hard time with the rest of my feedings being dropped but so far it has been easy...I plan to continue dropping every week but keeping the evening feed until he is ready...
My DS is 6.5 months old, and he and I have had a magnificent run at nursing. I've enjoyed it very much, and he enjoys it very much too. I'm struggling though with how long to nurse him. I know that it's the best thing for him, but part of me wants my body back all to myself! But, when I think about doing it ... gradually cutting out feedings, it makes me so sad that I can't bear it.  :'(

Right now, I work 3 days/week. On those days, I nurse him in the AM and the eve. when I get home - then I give him a bottle of formula at bedtime. On the days I'm home with him, I nurse him 4x (he's on a 4-hour EASY schedule) and give him that last bottle of the night.

I've heard of people successfully dropping all but one feeding. Is this possible?

I've got girlfriends who have done different things...some have nursed into toddlerhood, others weaned at 6 months, and some never even nursed at all. I'm just not sure what to do. Any thoughts or encouragement would be appreciated.

I know my sister cut her baby down to one feeding with no problem at all...she had to go back to work early and I think did it at 6 months too...
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Post by: Mom to ZiTi on June 07, 2006, 13:06:28 pm
Okay -- so here I go.

My DS will be 11 mos next week and we are currently doing 3 BF / day. One in the am when he wakes up ( 6am ) one before nap (1:30pm) and one after dinner/before bed ( 7pm ).   My problem is that DS is STARVING when he wakes up and wakes up crying most days lately because he isn't getting enough milk in my last feeding ( only 4 oz was able to be pumped last week). 

Over the Memorial holiday weekend my hubby and I tried to re-introduce a bottle of formula so he wouldn't wake hungry.  It worked fabulously the first day. . then DS was "on to us" and refused the bottle the next nights and I simply got him to take it like a DF after he slept -  He woke up pleasant and not starving and life was good.  However I did not continue with this because it seems "wrong". . .

Now, I don't know what to do. . . I have introduced the sippy cup with Whole Milk during the day and he takes sips (I was thankful to see others that say that he will "chug" one day! ) . . . in the meantime how do I get him "full" so he isn't waking up starving.

Do I offer more at meals. . add a snack before bedtime?!?!( He eats well - doesn't really refuse anything!)  I don't know what to do except feed him in his sleep the formula that he needs. . . I just really want my son to wake up pleasant and not starving in the morning. 

I just got my period back this week so I know that the slowing of the milk supply is the source of his frustration. 

Any advice appreciated!!!!
Dawn : )
Mom to Zachary Thomas 7/14/05
Title: PLEEZE HELP
Post by: Anthead on June 08, 2006, 08:37:59 am
Hi there
My LO is 8.5 months old, and I am struggling to get  her off the breast.  Although it's a hard decision, I have decided that I want to stop breastfeeding now, as my weight is just getting way too much now, and I need to go onto a strict diet, but cannot do so if I am still breastfeeding.  Also LO is waking up 2 - 3 times per night wanting to have a drink.  If I try to give her water or some milk from a bottle, she screams!  She will not settle down again until I have given her the breast.  Does anyone have any advice for me?  I am finding it extrmely hard to get her off the breast, and don't know what to do?  I do NOT want her crying and screaming like that.  Not prepared to just let her cry it out.... that is NOT an option.  PLEEEEZ HELP!!
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Post by: Beata on June 11, 2006, 18:58:34 pm
I need to catch up on this thread, but here is the advice I have. 

Anthead  - First, let me say that dd is almost 13 months and I started weaning at 11 months, off the breast by 1 year successfully. I was fearful of my own emotions and I was convinced that Cate would NEVER give up the boob! But we did, and things are very good now...she was a bit sick last week, and I offered her the bob, and she did not even seem to know what to do!  :o

I would first suggest slowly cutting night feeds using pick up/put down, walk in/walk out, or whatever method you feel comfortable using. Maybe one feed every few nights. Anthead -  I think that this will take a little patience because your dd WILL cry, ONLY because it's a new way of doing things. If you are there with her in the room even though she is crying, she will not lose trust in you, I promise. I think it will take at least 3 nights for each feeding, and you can expect to be quite tired during this period. This will make things a bit more difficult to deal with, but if you are consistent with however you procede things will change.

Once you have gotten DD to not feed at night (even if she is still waking - maybe offer some water in place) then star with one daytime feed every week or so. Replace with formula or a snack (my doctor okay-ed whole milk at 11 months if we were weaning slowly). The upside of taking it slow is that you will probably adjust  physically quite well.

Please PM me with any questions. I know and have been exactly where you are (including wanting to start a strict diet, which unfortunately has not come to pass yet  ::) So just be sure you are ready to follow through, no reason to stop if you cave because that is a lot of discomfort for nothing...IMHO!

Good luck  :D Beata
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Post by: momminluv on June 14, 2006, 11:08:47 am
I am falling apart.  My dd is 17 months old.  It's almost 4am.  DH is out of town for the week, AGAIN.  DD is nursing too much.  Reading all of the posts prior to mine just brings tears to my eyes.  In fact, I just cried because I desperately want to end nursing, especially at night.  Waking up 3 times a night is just killing me.  I am tired of being cranky and tired all day long.  I just got my period back last week....because dd nurses so much even during the day.  She nurses several times in the morning and several times in the afternoon and at least several more during the night.  I don't offer BUT I am to the point where I have started refusing....esp. in the morning.  She'll wake up and want to nurse....eat breakfast and want to nurse again.....want to nurse again after my shower......want to nurse again after I drop my older dd at preschool....  It seems like every chance she gets she wants to nurse.  It's crazy.  I can't nurse every hour or every two hours during the day.  I feel so out of control and am mentally in shreds over it.  It takes time away from myself and my older daughter.  My older daughter nursed until she was 18 months and dh and I both worked to wean her.  It was a lot easier with her.  With my 17 month old, she freaks out if I delay her and gets very angry.  I'm tired of using my boob as a pacifier.

I've tried hard to distract dd.  I offer snacks, something different to do, or a sippy cup.  It just doesn't work.  She's terribly persistent and won't leave me alone until I cave in.  I'm really trying not to be selfish but I want to be done.  On a daily basis I am either bitten, scratched or pinched.  No matter how many times we have talked about it or taken some action it, she just doesn't get it.  And the worst part of all is that she sticks her finger into my navel which I just hate.  More often than not, I think dd just hangs on.  It irritates me.  There isn't any letdown....and if there is, it takes a long time for it to happen.

I want my body back.  I am tired of lifting up my shirt.  I just want to hug and kiss instead of nursing.  Please, I need to wean her.  I think we've gone far enough and it is way past my own personal goal.  I know she doesn't want to give it up but, I'm done.  We're nursing out of control and it just isn't working.  It's not fair to me and it's not fair to my older one who has to watch and wait for us to finish.   

Please, any advice in this advanced situation would greatly help.  I just can't do this anymore.
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Post by: jehoffman on June 14, 2006, 15:51:32 pm
Hi,
I am new to the site and need a little advice as far as weaning goes.
My son is almost 10 months old and I have been BF the whole time. He started solids around 6 months and loves it. He is actually more interested in regular food than baby food at this point. I am thinking about #2, hence the question about weaning. I work full time and have been pumping for 6 months. Here is the daily schedule-
5am-pump
7am-pump
10am-pump
4:30pm-nurse
7:30-nurse
i have already eliminated the 7am pumping and am working on taking out the 4:30 nursing.
Any suggestions? How long will this take? What can I supplement with? Regular milk from a sippy cup(he does really well with a sippy cup with water)? Any help would be great!
Thanks
Jen
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Post by: lucmom on June 21, 2006, 14:59:01 pm
Hi, my LO is 12 1/2 months old, and I'm currently nursing his morning and evening feeds.  I weaned the two daytime feeds over the last few months, and he transitioned to formula from a bottle with little problem.  He drinks water from a sippy at all his meals. 

I'd like to wean his morning and evening feeds over the course of this summer, but he doesn't seem to like milk!  We switched to milk in his bottles when he turned one, and sometimes he rejects it completely, sometimes he takes a few ounces.  He won't drink it at all at mealtimes. 

He likes all sorts of dairy products, like yogurt and cheese, and I'm not giving up on offering the milk in a variety of ways, so I'm not worried about calcium (yet).  However, I'm unsure how to wean the last two feeds if he won't drink any milk.  Do I offer him milk in a bottle and just skip it if he doesn't take it?  Then, should I offer him water and a snack instead or is that reinforcing that he doesn't have to drink the milk?  Somehow it just seems sad to give him only water right before bedtime.

Any suggestions or advice is appreciated!  Thanks!
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Post by: MamaC on June 21, 2006, 16:40:17 pm
Lucmom, what about trying a different type of sippy cup?  My lo is around the same age and he drinks his milk (maybe 4 oz a day) out of one of the straw cups.  I'm planning on dropping the morning and evening feed this summer, too.  I can't believe it's time already!
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Post by: lucmom on June 22, 2006, 03:28:32 am
Thanks so much MamaCobb.  I'd heard that suggestion, and tried it once without success, but I think I will try it again.  Do you do water out of a regular sippy and milk out of the straw cup?  So, does your lo take just 4 oz total from all his opportunities to drink milk?  And if so, how much milk are you planning to offer when you drop the feeds?    Thanks!
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Post by: MamaC on June 22, 2006, 03:39:41 am
I offer both water and milk out of the straw cups.  I take water with me on errands, etc. and give milk during lunch, snack and dinner.  I haven't been really exact about how much milk he drinks.  I have an appt. w/ the pediatrician on Friday and I'm going to ask him about that very topic (number of ounces he should drink, etc.)  He eats cheese and yogurt daily, too.  OH, another thought...Spencer didn't take to the straw at first either, so then we tried again (around 10 mo) and we diluted apple juice to make it a bit more tempting.  Now I just do water and milk.  I hope this makes sense!
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on June 29, 2006, 21:34:16 pm
I guess we belong here now... :'(

Lilah had been nursing morning and bedtime since a little after her 1st birthday.  With my new pregnancy, my milk decreased to essentially nothing at about 10 weeks.  Which has resulted in tears from Lilah ("more mama milk!"  :'( ) and then of course tears from me.  She will try and try to get some more out of there, but the dry sucking is very uncomfortable for me.  And for the first time ever, I'm not engorged if we skip a feed (since there's nothing there anyway  :( ).  So we've now started don't offer, don't refuse.  Some days, she doesn't ask for it at all.  Some days, she asks both morning and night.  (Sometimes she asks during the day, but I tell her "Later, at bedtime", then try to distract her).  It seems like a natural time to encourage her to wean, and I'm not sure I'm prepared to tandem nurse anyway (though I will if she's really resistant).  But it's really difficult, because I feel like I'm stopping because I want to and because of the new baby coming... which makes me feel a bit of a traitor. :-[  And when she cries for "more mama milk," it breaks my heart.  Just wanted to some encouragement and/or advice.
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Post by: Samuel's mum on July 02, 2006, 08:45:00 am
Hi Ladies - so sorry some recent posts have been overlooked especially momminluv. If you feel you're not getting the response you'd hoped for do feel free to start a new topic outside this thread. Subjects like "Oy! I need help/hugs" are perfectly welcome. I'll try and make more of an effort to check this thread.

momminluv - are you still here? - HUGS- I'm so sorry you are having a tough time. I think some of your issues go beyond simply nursing. It's also about teaching your LO empathy and respect for your feelings. I know it's easy for me to say but it's also the case that everytime you 'cave' she is learning that persistance will work in the end and your 'word' is not a consistent thing. I think you may need a few days of awfulness to get back control. I've heard someone using a method where they give their LO tokens (sounds a bit odd I know) and they say 'you have this many nursing sessions today' and when they are finished  - that's it. So the nursling has choice and control but there are limits. I guess it will depend a bit on your LO's language skills - she may well be too young for this. Or another option is you wear something - a special necklace or whatever - that indicates the milk bar is open and at other times it WILL not happen. Whatever she says/ does at the times the necklace is not on you do not give in. You offer hugs/ silly dances/ nice food but nursing is not an option. You control when you put the necklace on and if you really really feel desperate and you have to cave you can always pop off and put the necklace on - you retain control. I would say that if her behaviour at the breast bothers you - e.g tummy button - then end the session and make it clear why. Let her come back on and if it happens again - take her off. At 17 months she will get it.
I know all this is easy for me to say but you need to find the strength from somewhere to be firm. It's your body and you are the adult. You are teaching her important lessons about patience and respect for other people. It would be sad to end a nursing relationship out of frustration and resentment. If you can get through this the mood may change significantly and you can end on happy note. Does any of this make sense?

lilah's mommy - I'm so sorry you're not sure what to do. I can just picture you both in tears and it's heartbreaking to imagine. You sounds unsure about tandem nursing and you sounds like dry nursing is painful (so an SNS is probably not a sensible suggestion!). If colostrum were to come in over the next few weeks and her interest returned would you be comfortable with that? I'm not sure tandem nursing is easy at the best of times but especially hard during those first few weeks if you are not enthusiastic.
I can't see how it is going to be easy on those days when she asks all the time. Is there any obvious reason why those days seem different? What is going on on the days when she never asks at all?
The LLL breastfeeding answer book describes 'don't offer, don't refuse' as something that can help accelerate weaning alongside other techniques. They also talk about the importance of brainstorming your daily routine and thinking through what the triggers might be before she asks to nurse. Anticipate and offer a distraction before being asked rather than at the point of being asked.
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"Once the child has asked to nurse, distraction and substitution are far less likely to be effective. They work best when they are offered before the child thinks of breastfeeding"
(p.200, third edition)
It also talks about changing a morning routine to avoid the morning 'ask' e.g have daddy give a solid breakfast first before mummy cuddle time happens in a new place.

You are not a traitor. It sounds to me that perhaps weaning is the right thing for you if you don't really want to tandem feed in your heart. Weaning earlier will not give it an association with the baby coming. I think if that's what you want to do then trust your instincts on this one. She's had a great nursing experience and it's best now it's done with relaxed planning than in sad desperation with a newborn in your arms when you realise tandem nursing feels all wrong - just my 2 cents.
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Post by: deenz on July 02, 2006, 21:37:24 pm
Sabrina - I know how you feel about weaning because you want to wean (rather than Lilah).  I felt the same with dd1.  I had it sort of in my mind that she would be the one to self-wean, but it didn't happen that way.  In my experience dd1 got a 'renewed' love of nursing once dd2 was born and the milk was again flowing!  During my pregnancy she would sometimes go a day without 'nursing' (when we were busy and would both forget) and she was possibly on her way to self-weaning.  So I did feel guilty about being the one to 'impose' the weaning, and would wake in the night worrying about why I was doing it (before I finally took the plunge and refused her requests).  We were down to one bf after breakfast (I had decided to wean the bedtime feed during my pregnancy in anticipation of being away from dd1 when in hospital).  If you are not 100% happy with idea of tandem nursing, then I would not do it, as it is not that easy.

Anyway, no real advice for you, just to say I think I know how you feel.  You know you have done a great job nursing for so long.
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Post by: elsa and jethro's mum on July 03, 2006, 20:45:00 pm
Hi,
Lilah's mum: just wanted to offer support I nearly cried just reading about the "more milk" thing. I too am pregnant with a 10.5 month old: she still BF 4 times a day and I want to keep going as long as poss (though I don't want to tandem feed either) but starting to think about dropping feeds is hard!

If anyone has any advice/reassurance about dropping feeds that'd be great: I'd like to stop feeding in the day soon, partly so we don't do it all at once in 5 months time and partly because she's getting much more willful and attatched, and I'd rather fight the battles before it gets worse! I'm happy that she'd get lots fo the benefts feeding morning and night for as long as my milk lasts before the baby comes, so I don't think she needs those feeds any more from a nutritional/antibody point of view.
At the moment we have a wake up feed (which she cries and cries for so how can I get her to chill out about it in preparation for dropping it eventually?) a before morning nap feed at 9.30ish(which I'm worried about dropping in case she gets hungry and stops sleeping!) an after afternoon nap feed (4ish) and a bedtime feed (which I'm going to try and follow with a story/separate from bedtime asap). I had vaguely planned to drop the 2 daytime ones before she's 1 but if anything she seems more dependant on them than she used to, and she seems to be getting plenty still: I'm struggling to get her to drink anything else (she'll maybe have 3/4 sippy cup of water total over the whole day): it#s really hot here at the moment, and likely to be for the next few weeks (plus we go on holiday for about 3 weeks soon one of the reasons I want to drop feeds) so I'm not sure where to start! I desperatey want to avoid using a bottle: she's not had one till now.
I tried just not offering, and for the daytime ones I think she'd be fine with that until she gets thirsty later on but refuses sippy cup now because she wants boob! (I kindof wish I'd done it 6 weeks ago when she wasn't so bothered!)
My friends baby just dropped daytime feeds himself a couple of months ago and I'd always thought that would happen but I'm realising it probably won't: do I just have to sweat it out and put up with the tears till she learns to be better about the sippy cup? (she can drink from it really well if she wants to, she has on occasion had a whole cup at one sitting but usually she just messes).

Any tips anyone?
thanks!
L
Title: Boob: Makes the world go round for dd.
Post by: momminluv on July 05, 2006, 05:35:34 am
Yes, momminluv is still here.  *sigh*  I just went out and bought 3 new nursing bras.  *sigh*  We're still about the same for night wakings.  DH tries to go in and help but little dd just won't have him....I try to keep busy during the day so dd won't ask for boob.  It's still the mornings that get to me.  I don't understand why she needs to nurse so often....how about eating breakfast like other normal human beings?  Grrr.  And naps?  Needs to nurse BEFORE and AFTER.  Ugh.  She nurses on one side only, so I'm a little lopsided. 

I think at this point that I need to tackle just a portion of the problem.  How about the night nursings?  How can I get her to stop without freaking out?  When she wakes up I go in and she is clutching her lovey and sitting or standing up.  I nurse her for about 5 minutes and as soon as she's done I put her back down in her crib.  She rolls over and goes to sleep.  She usually wakes up around 11:30pm, 2:30am, 4ish, 6ish....  ugh.  It's the schedule of a newborn for a child who is almost 18 months.  I think it's habit.  Or it's teeth.  She doesn't have any side chops yet....just the front teeth.  Some side chops are poking through.  It's awful.  Should I attempt a dream feed before 11:30pm and see if it throws her off? 
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Post by: beccarman on July 05, 2006, 09:32:30 am
i'm glad you've checked back in here, its good to know whats going on!! (yes i am quite nosey!! LOL!!)

its sounds like keeping busy is a good idea, i know with my dd i often resort to putting her in the buggy and going round the block when she keeps wanting the boob.

re:breakfast - if she had quite a bit of milk in the night it stands to reason she won't really be up for breakfast. you could try different things though if she normally has the same for b/fast as she might be bored with it?

with my dd i've been weaning her off day time feeds and that seems to have stopped nightime wakings, i think she was getting milk/comfort in the day whenever she wanted it so expected the same to happen in the night and for her it was a habit (i think!). i've also been a bit strict lately on not giving her snacks (or milk) in between  meals which means shes eating better size meals and is actually hungry for them.

i really hope things are going ok,

lots of love bec xxx

 :-*

p.s the dream feed is defo worth a try...you've got nothing to loose!!
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 06, 2006, 21:28:13 pm
It seems like things are settling a bit.

Lilah does still ask for "mama milk", but it's more like she's just noticing that my breasts are still there-- she point to them and says, "mama milk."  I am able to tell her now "there's no more mama milk.  It's all gone.  But you can have a cup of milk and sit in mama's lap."  That used to not fly at all, but now she accepts it with no tears.  It's funny, today she pointed to my breasts saying "mama milk" and when I said there's no more, she went over to DH (who had no shirt on) and said "Baba milk" and tried to latch onto his hairy chest!  He laughed and told her only mamas can make milk.

Anyway, she now very rarely asks for the morning feed, so I think we're done with that one.  And we've gone two nights now without the bedtime feed, so I think we're on our way.

I feel sad yet fairly sure this is the right thing for us right now.  Because I usually produce so much milk, any time I'd try to skip a feed before my pregnancy was very, very painful.  Now I never feel full.  Lilah is also able to accept other forms of comfort and cuddling, and to understand that the milk is all gone anyway.  And because I really am not sure tandem nursing is for me (though I'd try harder to stick it out if Lilah were a year younger), I think this makes a natural time to wean.  So far things are going well.  When my milk first disappeared, things were rough, but it seems Lilah's now willing to accept the change and move on to the next phase of our relationship.  What a big girl! :) :'(
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Post by: CaedensMama on July 06, 2006, 22:52:26 pm
Okay - I have skimmed thru most of the posts and have a question -
I am not ready to completly wean yet, maybe before the baby -we'll see. But I do want to drop some feeds. We are currently at -
When he gets up (maybe 6-6:30) and this is a long feed, he will nurse for a good 30 minutes
*After breakfast (like half way between when we ate and his am naptime)
When he wakes from am nap
*About an hour after lunch time
*Just before PM nap (if he asks for it)
When he wakes from pm nap
*After dinner (if I am sitting down somewhere and he asks)
Before bed

The * ones are the ones I would like to drop and just feed 3-4 times a day. I know he can handle it cause he does fine when we are out and he only nurses 4 times a day, but when we are home it's more often.

I have been trying to offer the sippy cup with milk or juice  but that doesn't always work - he often takes a couple sips and then hands me back the cup and lays down to try and nurse :-\

Any other ideas - I am kinda with Sabrina - I am feeling like I am doing this as I am preg and not wanting to tandem nurse but at the same time I don't think he is going to be willing to give up the breast at this point so I was going to continue a little longer and see how he did with a decrease in the milk during pregnancy and how he does dropping some feeds. I would be okay tandem nursing if it was just once or maybe twice a day but not all day long, but DH is ready for me to wean and I am getting close to ready myself so I think we will wean before March anyway.
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 07, 2006, 21:19:00 pm
Jennifer,

That is a lot of nursing when you're pregnant and tired!  I don't have experience with this, as Lilah was down to two feeds with the odd mid-day feed very occasionally by the time I got pregnant (either time).  But I'll offer what I did to get down to those two feeds.  Lilah was nursing 4 times a day, first thing in the morning, after morning nap, after afternoon nap, and before bed (the classic EASY pattern) from 9 months, when we institued EASY to 12.5 months.  A couple weeks after her first birthday, after she had started taking a sippy of milk (which I started by mixing half-and-half with drinkable yogurt, to encourage her to drink, then slowly reduced the amount of yogurt and increased the milk), I just skipped the after morning nap feed, gave her her sippy, and took her out to play.  That last part was the most important-- the distraction part.  She was much more fascinated with her friends (we live in student family housing and all we have to do is leave our apartment and go to the playground downstairs to find other toddlers to play with) than with nursing.  I have read that this is the age at which that kind of distraction becomes possible, becuase they are suddenly much moe interested in what's going on around them.  A few weeks later, I did the same with the after afternoon nap feed.  We kept up with morning and bedtime nursing until a couple weeks ago, when we started dropping the morning feed.  We are now dropping the bedtime feed.  She hasn't nursed at bedtime for three nights in a row now, so we might be done.

Anyway, I don't think you need to worry about the sippy too much yet, though you might try to get him used to it so he can take milk from it when he needs it.  If you are still nursing 3-4 times a day, he will likely just nurse longer and take more at one nursing, and he really will not need any extra fluids (except for maybe a sip of water now and then).  As long as your supply keeps up, he'll be getting all the fluid he needs from 3-4 feeds, and a good deal of the calcium and protein he needs (though supplementing with yogurt and cheese will help with that).  So I'd advise not pushing the sippy during the nursing times you're trying to drop, and just doing an activity during which he does not normally nurse, like going to the playground, a play date, etc.  And encourage the sippy use at other times, so he doesn't associate it with a nursing replacement.  Does that make sense?  And of course, don't try to drop more than one feed every four-five days, or your breasts will be near to bursting!

It's also likely he'll drop one of his naps sometime fairly soon, which will then require reworking of the nursing schedule anyway.  That might also offer another opportunity to drop a feed.

HTH!
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Post by: CaedensMama on July 11, 2006, 20:42:18 pm
Thanks Sabrina!

He is actually doing quite well with the sippy already -so that is good. He is doing about 8-10 oz of juice/water and at least 8 oz of rice or cow's milk each day - plus a good amount of cheese! I offer the sippy at meals and when he is wanting to "snack" on me mid day. I am finding the distraction helps too - he is fine if he's not thinking about it and actually when we have been out the last 2 days and I have offered the breast he isn't wanting it as there is too much going on.  ;)
I am working on right now dropping to the 4 feeds a day and trying to stick with that for maybe the next month and then dropping the 2 day feeds at least, we'll see if he weans himself or the milk disappears and helps it along :-\  - I have heard the 12-14 weeks mark is usually when you see the biggest drop in milk. At this point I am getting okay with the thought of completly weaning him sooner then later and maybe he won't associate the baby with HIS milk instead of weaning him closer to the time, ya know. I am kinda leaving it up to him and my body though. I would be okay keeping the 2 feeds a bit longer if it works out.
Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know how we are doing!
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 11, 2006, 21:04:18 pm
With my last pregnancy (which I miscarried), I noticed a big reduction in supply very early on, about 6 weeks or so.  But there was still a bit there.  As soon as I miscarried, it came back in all its glory.  This time, my supply was adequate up until the 10 week mark, when it just dropped right off.  Slowed to a trickle, seriously.  So I guess it's different with different pregnancies.  After a couple weeks of trying to keep going with nursing, dd and I were both getting very frustrated, so we dropped the morning feed with no trouble.  Then I would still offer the evening feed.  Then, last week, I stopped offering that one, too.  She asks for it occasionally, but only as a kind of suggestion, and glady takes her sippy cup ('cause there's sure a whole lot more in there anyway!), a cuddle, and some books at bedtime.  As of July 4th, we have finished nursing.  I think it will be an easier transition now-- she has a whole 6 months to go without mama milk, which should serve to make it much less "hers".  Though it's a bittersweet rite of passage, I think it was the right time for us.
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Post by: CaedensMama on July 11, 2006, 22:26:43 pm
Sabrina - have you ever read that book about "the last times" - something along the lines of "if I had known it would be the last time I watched you swing on the baby swings, the last time you ran and jumped into my arms, etc, we celebrate all the first times but sometimes the last times are the milestone" - it's one of those tear jerker mom books - I can find the name of it if you haven't seen it yet.
It's a bittersweet thought for me too thinking of weaning, but I know it is right for us too - I loved the adventures in tandem Nursing book, would highly recomend it to anyone, but it made me realize i really don't want to tandem nurse I don't think I can handle it. That's why I think I need to work on weaning sooner then later.

I am wondering if my milk supply has dropped down though, he has been less interested during the day and seems to be spreading his feeds out on his own - and often will only nurse like 15 seconds when I do offer it, maybe there's not much there, not sure how to check though, I can always get some to squirt out myself :-[
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Post by: MamaC on July 12, 2006, 03:21:18 am
My hats off to you mommies that are nursing and pregnant!  I am ready to start weaning my ds.  We are down to two feedings, am and pm.  Any opinions on which is easier to drop?  I love them both but I am really ready to be done so that we can start working on number two!  (I want some time with my body to myself....)  Any opinions welcome!
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 15, 2006, 14:53:19 pm
Jennifer, it sounds like that book would make me bawl like a baby!  I can't handle anything sentimental with these pregnancy hormones flying around!

MamaCobb-- It all depends on your baby.  For Lilah, it was the bedtime feed that was sacrosanct.  It was so much part of the routine.  But your baby may be different.  Drop whatever feels right to you.
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Post by: MamaC on July 16, 2006, 03:38:54 am
Life happened and it was a good day to drop the a.m. feeding on Wednesday.....ds was fine.  I did have to have a little cry though.  I'm thinking that I'll nurse him at night for as long as he'll have it now.... we'll see.  Thanks for the opinion, Lilah's Mommy!
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Post by: Beata on July 17, 2006, 01:42:53 am
Hi everyone...well it's been a while for us, and I though I would just share...I think we fully weaned about 2 months ago now, and I think I tried to nurse once or twice during that time, and Cate doesn't even seem to remember what ther were for in the first place!!!!!  ::)

All I can say is I really had an amazing time nursing, and did wean because I was ready to at 1 year...but Cate went with it, and we never had to use formula...and I just feel like I gave her a head start in nutrition, etc. Cheers to everyone.

So to all you moms worrying about weaning...just do the best you can and enjoy every minute.

Beata
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Post by: Samuel's mum on July 17, 2006, 20:49:22 pm
Well done Beata - that sounds like a very happy weaning experience!
What an achievement - a year. Brilliant.
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Post by: ashtonsmummy on July 20, 2006, 18:18:50 pm
my lo is alergic to all formulas except one wich is the nutrigen i believe it is called, anyway he hates it he is 9 mnths now and i will be going back to work in sept a little earlier than planned so my question is how do i wean him from bf altogether and can i just go straight to a sippy cup i dont bf durning the nite any more either
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Post by: mrs_kat on July 20, 2006, 18:50:33 pm
Hi there!  I confess that I haven't read all of the posts.  I was hoping for a little insight from those of you who have weaned or are in the process.  With babies who self-weaned, did you find that they took more solids as they took less milk, stayed the same, or ate less? 

I ask because Kenzi is 11.5 mo and has been showing signs of not wanting to nurse other than first thing in the morning.  But she's also cut way down on her solids, which is why I hesitate to say, she must be self-weaning and I should let my milk production slow down and introduce cow's milk.  I feel like she's hardly eaten anything these past two days. 

We were planning to wean at a year but I hate to do it if she's not making up for it with her meals.  If any of you have babies who self-weaned, maybe you can let me know what that looked like for you.  Thanks!
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Post by: Jusser on July 21, 2006, 16:58:17 pm
Hi Mrs Kat, my LO started to self-wean from about 9.5 months, and it got to the stage at 10.5 months where my period had come back and I just didn't seem to be producing any milk at all, so we fully weaned at this point (although I had so wanted to go to a year).  I have read that it is very rare for a baby to self-wean at less than 18 months, but I can tell you my LO had much more interest in solid food from about 9 months and it definitely was not me instigating the weaning. :(.  As Beata said, Felix now seems to not even know what my breasts are any more, he just plays with them !  To answer your question, yes he did definitely replace his BFs with solids and although he has off-days when he is tired or teething, he generally eats 3 goods meals and 2 small snacks each day.  At the moment I just give him one bottle of formula at night and will probably replace that with goats milk when he turns 1 year.  I don't know about you but I found giving up BF very emotional.  It has been about 4 weeks now and I have only just started to feel a bit better about it.  I SO wanted to do at least a year (I have eczema and asthma) and it had gone so well up to about 9 months, but I simply couldn't force my LO to nurse...  I leaked a tiny bit, not badly at all, but that seems to have stopped now, and you know what, since giving up BF he has had an ear infection (for which he had to have his first antibiotic), a skin rash and nappy rash. He had never had so much as a cold before !  This could be coincidence as we did fly to London so that could have contributed to the ear infection, and he is definitely teething so maybe that accounts for the nappy rash, but my, I felt so guilty about it and convinced myself that it was the end to BF causing this.  Anyway, enough rambling, I think I'm getting over it eventually  ::).  I didn't realise quite how emotional the whole thing would be. :'(
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Post by: twitchy on July 25, 2006, 17:08:20 pm
Hello All,
This is my first post, although I've been looking around the boards a bit in the last couple of weeks...
My 9 month old DD is breastfed and I am looking for some advice on how/when to start weaning her. She currently has 4 breastfeeds a day plus 3 meals. She doesn't usually have any snacks as she doesn't seem hungry for them.

Her current eating routine is as follows:
7:30 wake up and bf
8:30 breakfast
11:30ish bf when she gets up from her nap
12:30 lunch
3:30ish bf when she gets up from her nap
5:30/6 dinner
7ish bf before bed

I am going back to work in October, so I figure I will need to cut out the 2 breastfeeds that happen during the day (11:30 and 3:30) but I'm wondering how to do it and when? She seems pretty happy with the amount of food she's getting right now, so I'm wondering if I can wait until closer to the time I'm going back to work to start cutting feeds? I plan to keep up the first thing in the morning and last thing at night breastfeeds for as long as we're both happy with them. I imagine she will drop them on her own sometime after her 1st birthday?? I have once or twice tried giving her lunch as soon as she gets up from her morning nap, and this has worked fine, I just find it hard because I'm single side feeding and this makes for a veeerrrry long gap.

I'm also wondering what the best way to breastfeed is when you're only doing a few feeds a day? I currently feed her single side, but am wondering if the long gap between feeds would cause my supply to peter out? i.e. if I fed her on the right breast at 7pm but then didn't feed from the right until 3:30 the next day, would that be too big of a gap??

Any suggestions on how you went about this would be really appreciated!
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Post by: mrs_kat on July 25, 2006, 18:39:32 pm
Hey twitchy!  We dropped to three feeds at 10 months.  Instead of feeding right after the am nap, you could give lunch instead and then breastfeed right before the pm nap.  This is what we do now, but Kenzi's pm nap is later than your dd's so maybe you could give a small snack when she wakes up to tide her over till dinnertime.  Or give a small snack before the pm nap and bf when she wakes up.  Hopefully someone else can give you advise on how to handle the single sided feeding.
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 26, 2006, 04:09:57 am
We didn't drop lower than 4 feeds until after Lilah's first birthday.  At that point, we replaced the two mid-day feeds with cow's milk over the course of the month.  We kept up the morning and evening feeds until 22 months, when we finally weaned completely.  As for the single-side feeds, I can't offer any advice.  Hope someone else can help you out.
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Post by: chargerfans on July 26, 2006, 14:23:07 pm
I am a working Mom and I nursed my son for his first year. When he hit the one year mark I was ready to wean and so was he. I Since I work full time I would be pumping constantly. I would pump 3 times during the day and nurse at night. On the weekends I would just nurse 3-4 times a day. So here's what I did

 had started introducing whole milk in a sippy and also in his cereal. At first he would only take a sip or a bite and then refuse it. After about 4 days he started to eat/drink it. I started with the morning bottle. Normally, if I was home, I would nurse him. So about 2 weeks prior to even attempting to wean to whole milk I decided to get him used to having the bottle only first thing in the morning. Once he was used to that we started with 2 oz whole milk to 6 oz EBM for the morning bottle and now added an afternoon bottle. He took the nipple out of his mouth a few times and inspected it but after about 5 "nipple inspections" he drank the whole bottle. So now he has a morning bottle, an afternoon bottle, and nurse at night. I decreased 1 pumping too. I didn't feel engorged or anything. Then after 3 days we went to 4 oz EBM to 4 oz Whole milk. And I decreased 1 more pumping. Still no engorgement. He didn't even bat an eye with the mixture of milk. But after the 2nd day of 1/2 and 1/2 milk he refused to nurse that night. When my husband made him a straight whole milk bottle he guzzled it. So now I was engorged! I pumped just a little bit the next morning to relieve some pressure.

So he was now on straight whole milk after less than 1 week. Not quite my plan but he made up his mind. Sure enough, the next night he had an accident and hurt his tooth/lip/mouth and all he wanted to do is nurse. So nursing was back on in full swing and since I stayed home with him he just nursed all day long. I was worried that we would have to start all over again but once his mouth felt better he took to the whole milk in the bottle like a pro. But now Mom had more milk!!! So that has been a struggle. I have been uncomfortable for days and I am using the cabbage leaves which seems to help. There is definitely a decrease in milk but I am still very sore.

So for all you Mommas who are ready to wean to milk (whether it be soy, whole etc) I would suggest the following -

6 oz EBM to 2 oz whole milk - 3 days and decrease 1 pumping
4 oz EBM to 4 oz whole milk - 3 days and decrease 1 pumping
2 oz EBM to 6 oz whole milk - 3 days and decrease 1 pumping
Then all whole milk!!!

This is easier for those Moms who pump and also nurse..... Not sure how you would do it if you just nursed and your baby wasn't used to the bottle... Maybe just offer more milk in the sippy and skip 1 nursing time?

Good luck. I loved nursing my son and was very emotional when it all stopped. It will be nice to have "me" back but at the same time I really miss having that one on one with my son.

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Post by: jbepko on July 27, 2006, 00:44:06 am
I did something similiar. My LO is just 11.5 mo old but I have dropped the three EBM bottles during day and nurse in am and after I get home from work. I made sure he had sippy cup down. Then slowly dropped amount of lunch-time bottle to 4 oz and then took that bottle away and substituted with milk. Then one week later did same with 0900 bottle and then one week later (today) stopped sending in 3:00 bottle. He seems fine, no night awakenings. I judged he was ready but not refusing the breast this weekend- but not offering as often either. He really nurses well in the morning and after work- so I am content to continue with this. Its nice not pumping anymore, but still having the connection. He has been a good eater and takes in three solid meals so his nutritional needs are being met. I have pumped over the last 2 weeks just for comfort as needed and haven't pumped for 3 days!! I was a little worried about mastitis- I've had three bouts this time, but so far we are good. Now...how do I burn my pump!! I love nursing but really never enjoyed pumping! But I reached my goal of no formula (that was my personal goal) and I may continue with morning/evening nursings for another 3 or 6 months- we'll see!
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Post by: lucmom on July 28, 2006, 02:33:02 am
Hi all,
It's been a little while, so I thought I'd check in.  My lo (who wouldn't take milk), decided that he likes soy milk out of a particular type of sippy cup.  It took a couple of weeks of experimentation on my part and developing on his part to find the right combination, so I encourage any of you who are having a similar issue to just keep trying, but don't worry too much.

I've weaned very slowly, starting about 4 months ago when LO was about 10 months, first dropping the afternoon feed, then the morning nap one, then keeping am and pm until recently.  I dropped the daytime feeds because it was getting more and more difficult to pump at work.  (Twitchy -- I was also a single side feeder, and I didn't find that I had to change things when dropping the first daytime feed, but went back to double side when I was down to just 2 feeds -- seems like my milk started decreasing at that point as well since I wasn't feeding or pumping regularly all day long).  The am feed was fairly easy to drop -- LO was upset the first couple days and kept gesturing to his rocking chair where we nurse (which just about broke my heart), but then totally was over it by the third day.  I'm just about to drop the pm feed.  I have a little anxiety over how it's going to be to go to bed without nursing for him and wondering if he'll still cuddle with me if he only has a sippy or a bottle, and a little sadness that this phase is ending. 

Just as others have written, enjoy the experience while it lasts and keep going until it feels right to you and LO to move on to the next exciting phases.    Best to all.
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Post by: Garate on July 28, 2006, 04:19:29 am
Hi all,
I would like some advice on weaning. I will be returning to work three days a week starting the end of August. My 8 month old son currently breastfeeds 4 times a day. He used to take a bottle as a supplement, but now will not take a bottle or formula anymore since 6 months. He takes a sippy cup, but only takes a few small sips of water and then he's through.

He now feeds at approximately 7, 11, 3, and 7. When I start back to work, how will I have the nanny do the 11 am feeding? Should I use the sippy with expressed breastmilk even though he takes so little from a cup? If I do this, should I start giving him the sippy now at 11am - so that he has 4 weeks of the routine with me before I go back to work?

Also, I will return home from work at 4pm so I thought that I could somehow move his 3pm feeding to 4, but will this be too late?

Please let me know what you think or what's worked for you.  :)
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Post by: chargerfans on July 28, 2006, 14:42:47 pm
I think that you will just have to play it by ear for the 3 pm feeding. My little one used to wait until I got home at 4 to nurse also (which was nice for both of us). Some days he might be too hungry and will want to have some milk before 4. Since he is older I would probably not try to reintroduce the bottle. I would keep working on a sippy. He will eventually drink more when he gets hungry enough! You can also just ensure that he has extra yogurt, cheese etc during the day to supplement him not drinking enough milk. My son was never a bottle fan and somedays he would have only a few oz (13 or 14 oz) and then nurse 1 time at night. I didn't think he was getting enough milk. My ped said not to worry and just to offer more food with calcium.

Have you tried a straw cup? It took some time for my son to take to the sippy but after 1 week of the straw cup he was hooked. I would get the kind that is not spill proof because it is easier for him to learn to suck out of it (Playtex). But once he knows how I would move to the spill proof one (Munchkin - only 2 designs, Spongebob or Dora). Target also has a great sippy called the Nuby. It's super cheap and it has a soft spout that all babies seem to love

I would say you should attempt to try the 11 am with the sippy now with EBM. But it will also be hard because you will be right there for him and its so easy to just bring him over for a quick snuggle and drink! It's all trial and error!

Good luck!  :P
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 29, 2006, 02:59:14 am
I definitely agree with starting with cups that aren't spill-proof.  Breastfed babies don't seem to get that they have to suck on this hard plastic thing in a way totally different from nursing to get anything to come out.  The cup that Lilah finally took was the very basic, free-flowing spout type from First Years-- it looks just like those old-fashioned Tupperware cups we had. I've also heard good things about the Nuby, though I mostly hear that little ones who are transitioning from a bottle to a sippy love it.  Lilah also really liked straw cups. Just keep trying with one style for a bit before you move on, to give him a chance to learn.  He will get it-- I promise.
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Post by: jbepko on July 29, 2006, 11:24:52 am
My LO took a while (weeks to months) to finally "get" the sippy cup and we tried them all- straw, nuby, playtex, gerber. He was used to EBM in bottle at school. Once he figured out tipping the cup up, he seemed to come faster. He is able to get the liquid out- now we are working with him swallowing vs running down his chin. He practices with water usually.
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Post by: Lilah'sMommy on July 29, 2006, 22:28:03 pm
We started on the cup at 6 months.  Lilah did not "get" it until she was 9 months old.  And it was so sudden-- one day she just took the cup and drank from it like a pro.  I have just found she can now do the same with an open cup almost perfectly (though I still usually only give water in an open cup).  And this she barely practiced at all, except when she would drink the bathwater in the tub (SO GROSS!) ::) .  So I think that as with most things, they get it when they get it, and there's not too much we can do to speed up the process.
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Post by: jbepko on July 29, 2006, 23:14:20 pm
BOTH of my LO LOVE drinking bath water! What's the deal? And I agree---- UGH! ::)
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Post by: Beata on July 30, 2006, 16:55:20 pm
lol and pool water  :P too
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Post by: mrs_kat on July 30, 2006, 21:35:01 pm
Kenzi's first sippy was the Gerber starter cup but it was maybe two weeks before she could consistently suck hard enough to get water out.  (This was around 5 months.)  It was cute to watch her little tongue moving in and out like when she bf's, wondering why it didn't make the liquid come faster. 

As far as pool water, Kenzi will drink it like it's the best thing she's ever had, but how dare I try to nurse her after swimming before having a chance to shower.  Somehow the chlorine flavor isn't as good on my boobs...

We've dropped the afternoon bf and introduced milk a few days ago.  I thought it was going to be easy because the first time Kenzi had milk, she chugged three ounces before I took it away.  I only wanted her to have a little so we could see how she digested it.  But since that day she just sips at it.  We had assumed that we could just give her a sippy at the time I used to nurse and that she'd just drink that down instead.  But she only takes a little at a time and then plays, then has a few more sips while she flips through a book, etc.  Since it's just one feeding's worth, today I filled up a sippy and offered it at every meal and over the course of the day she finished it.  But I don't know what I'll do when she's supposed to be drinking three sippies' worth.  Hopefully by then she'll be willing to drink more at one time.

And I know this is just petty, but I don't like having twice as many cups to wash!  It used to be one cup a day that had water or juice-water, but now I actually have to wash cups more often than the dishwasher is run.  Being a mom is really conflicting with my slothfulness.
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Post by: jbepko on July 31, 2006, 01:06:09 am
Mrs Kat-
Our LO's have the same b-day! So this mornign we went to breakfast and he was taking milk from sippy and spitting it out...until the food came- then was drinking milk as he ate. Same sippy...same milk. I guess it was pre-meal entertainment!  ::)
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Post by: Samuel's mum on August 01, 2006, 18:57:41 pm
Hi
I just saw this on the bottle-feeding board and thought it would be useful to have here:

It's an extract from BW Solves All Your Problems (Thanks to Calum's mum)

From Breast to Bottle:
The First Steps of Weaning



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There are two factors that influence what happens when you try to introduce a bottle: your baby’s reaction and yours, the impact on your your mind and body. You might want to introduce a bottle because you’re ready to wean your baby entirely, or because you want to make your life easier by replacing one or more breast-feeding sessions with bottle-feeds. Either way, you’ve got both factors to contend with. The older your baby, the harder it will be for you to get her used to a bottle in the first place if she’s been exclusively on the breast. But with older babies it also will be easier for your body to adapt to the change, because your milk will dry up more quickly (see box, page 126). At the same time, though, a lot of murns have a strong emotional reaction to reducing the number of breast-feeds and, especially, to quitting altogether.

So let’s take the baby first. The procedure is the same for one who’s never had a bottle as it is for one who had one several months earlier and now seems to have forgotten how to drink from one. 1 get tons of emails and calls from mums who have struggled with both problems. Here’s a posting from my website:

               Hi, I am mum to a six-month baby boy. Does anyone have advice on introducing the bottle? I don’t want to stop
               nursing but I need a break. He will not entertain a bottle, we have been trying far the last twelve weeks. I have tried almost
               everything, cups, bottles, breast milk, formula, etc.

Twelve weeks! That’s a lot of coaxing and cajoling and frustration—— yours and your baby’s. Obviously, this mum is not in a hurry. Imagine if she had to go back to work, as many do! For example, I remember Bart’s mum, Gail, who breastfed her son for the first three months and then called me: “1 am going back to work in three weeks and would ideally like to breast-feed in the morning, late afternoon and evening and then use bottles of formula for the other feedings.”

Regardless of whether you’re switching to a bottle and plan never to breast-feed again or you want to do only a few feeds a day, my advice is make sure you’re ready, stay the course, and steel yourself for a bumpy day or two. Of course, if your baby is 6 months or older, you might consider going straight to a trainer cup and skip the bottle. But if you decide to go ahead...

Find a type of nipple that most closely resembles your own. Some gung-ho breast-feeding experts warn of “nipple confusion” and use it as a reason not to give a bottle before three or six months of age (depending on which book }~O1t read). If anything, babies can be confused by flow, not the nipple itself. Pick a type and if your baby takes to it, don’t keep switching nipples. it ‘s enough for her to adapt to a bottle; she doesn’t need you to experment with nipples, too—unless she starts choking, sputtering or gagging. If so, buy the slow—release type of nipple, which is specially designed to respond to her suckling actions, as opposed to the standard types, which drip into her mouth even when she stops sucking.

Start with the first bottle of your baby’s day, when she’s hungriest. I don’t agree with people who suggest starting when your baby isn’t very hungry. What’s her incentive to accept the bottle if not hunger? Expect to he anxious yourself, and expect that your baby is going to be resistant and ill at ease, too.

Never force the bottle. Look at it from the baby’s point of view. Imagine what it is like after several months of sucking on warm, human flesh to taste a Cold rubber nipple for the first time. To make it more enticing (or at least more like your body temperature), run warm water over it. Push it gently into the mouth and jiggle it on his bottom lip, which stimulates the sucking reflex. If he doesn’t take it within five minutes, stop, or you’ll give him an aversion to it. Wait an hour and try again.

Try every hour the first day Be persistent. Any mum who says she’s been at it for 12 weeks, or even 4 weeks, is not really keeping at it. More likely, she tries for a day or two—or even a few minutes——and then forgets about it. ‘Then she starts feeling tied down or she’s worried about leaving her baby with a sitter. So she tries again. if she doesn’t commit to staving with it every day, it’s less likely to work.

Let Dad or Grandma, a friend or a nanny give it a try, but only when you’re first introducing the bottle. Some babies take bottles from others and absolutely refuse it from their mums. it’s a good way to get your baby started, but its not something you want to foster. The idea of giving a bottle is to have the flexibility. Let’s say you’re out with your baby and you’d rather not breastfeed. You won’t want to have to call Dad or Granny in every time. Once she’s accustomed to the bottle, you give it to her, too.

Expect—and be willing to ride out—a hunger strike. If your baby refuses the bottle altogether don’t whip out your breast. I promise. your child wont starve to death, which is what all mums fear. Most babies will take at least some food after three or four hours of not getting the breast, I’ve seen babies refuse bottles all day long, holding out  ‘til mum comes home, but those are the exceptions (and they don’t starve either). If you’re persistent, the trauma of introducing a bottle is over within twenty-four hours. Some older babies, usually Grumpy types, can take as long as two OF three days.

Thereafter, always give a bottle at least once a day. A common mistake that others make is not sticking with at least a once—a—day bottle. Babies will always go back to their original feeding method. So, if a baby starts out breast-feeding and, say, his mum had to go to the hospital for a week, and he was bottle-fed during that time, he’d know how to start right in again. Though it’s less Common, if a baby starts out with a bottle and then Mum decides to breast-feed, that baby will always be comfort¬able with a bottle as well. But they won’t remember the second method you teach them unless you keep it up. I get mums all the time who tell me, “My baby used to take a bottle but seems to have forgotten how”. Of course, she has – it was a long time ago. In such cases, the mum has to start all over again, using the above method to reintroduce the bottle.


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Spotlight in the Trenches

Making the Switch


Janna, a television producer I was working with, had been leaving work every day, driving 30 miles in traffic, in order to feed her 7-month-old baby, Justin. She was at her rope’s end because now she really wanted to have the flexibility of a bottle. At my suggestion she  gave  Justin a  feed before she left for work and left a bottle of pumped milk for the nanny to do the midday feed. But Justin refused and went on a hunger strike. Every time Janna called home to see how things were going, she heard Justin crying in the background “I thought he was starving I don’t think I have suffered through a day as much as that one.” When Janna walked through the door at 4 that day, Justin was still screaming for her breast. She offered him a bottle instead and when be pitched a fit, she told him calmly, “Okay you’re not hungry now.” By 6, he was willing to take the bottle.

Janna called me afterward and said, “I’d like to breast-feed him tonight.” “You can’t,” I stressed, “unless you want another hunger strike on your hands tomorrow.’ I told her to keep up the bottles for 2 days and after 48 hours, she could resume giving him the bedtime feed.


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There’s one other piece of advice I have about taking steps to begin the weaning process: Make sure you want to introduce a bottle. In Janna’s case (see box above), for example, her fears about Justin starving were not merely about his physical well-being. She was feeling guilty for causing him to “suffer” and, I would wager, ambivalent about the whole process. Many breast-feeding mums have similar kinds of mixed feelings about giving their babies bottles.

Breast-feeding can be a very emotional experience for the mothers, especially when a mother decides she wants her life hack.



Taken from "The baby whisperer solves all your problems" P125-129
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Post by: violet41 on August 05, 2006, 07:46:22 am
Hi
My daughter is a week shy of her first birthday, and I'm really keen on weaning her from breastfeeds as soon as I can - because I just want my boobs back.  Currently I breastfeed her three times per day (first thing in the morning, right after lunch and just before bedtime), and usually once or twice at night too (she seems genuinely hungry both times).

She has never been sleeptrained to not feed at night, nor taken to a bottle.  But she will drink a very small amount of water or rice milk (due to a family history of allergies I'm avoiding giving her cow's milk until she is 18 months) from a sippy cup.

I feel that it will be easiest to wean her from the lunchtime breastfeed first, then the morning feed, then the bedtime feed. And I guess I'm hoping she will wean herself off the night feeds because she did actually go from 3-4 night wakings per night at 8 months, to 1-2 night wakings per night from 9 months...

Today I introduced rice milk in a sippy cup during her meals (she just gets water with her snacks).

So my question is...if I go ahead and subsitute the daytime breastfeeds for milk in a sippy cup (bearing in mind she doesn't drink more than about 20mls at a time), do you reckon she will end up making up for the shortfall during the night and therefore increase her night wakings?
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Post by: jennyb133 on August 08, 2006, 00:31:56 am
Hi!  I didn't read all the pages, so I hope you don't mind that I jump in!   I need help tweaking my schedule. It's great right now, my DS just turned 8 mos. But I am concerned about coming up on a year & how to transition.  I posted this on the 6-12months EASY thread & also on the solid food forum, but not sure where I would get the best feedback. 

James is just turned 8 months old this week. Here's his schedule:

7am Wake & BF
7:30am Breakfast (usually cereal mixed with fruit juice)
9am-10:30am Morning nap
10:30am BF
12pm Lunch (usually fruit & veggie, water in a sippy cup, then a few fruit puffs finger foods)
1:30pm-3pm Afternoon nap
3pm BF
4:30pm Dinner (meat & veggie, sometimes fruit too, water in a sippy cup, then fruit puffs again)
6pm Bath & PJ's
6:30pm BF
7pm Bedtime

I'm still BF 4x's /day,  I just introduced yogurt today as he is 8 mos. now.  I need help changing this routine so that he gets his BF milk with meals instead of in between, & offering more finger food snacks in between meals instead.  I think that coming up on a yr. it will be easier to substitute the BF for whole milk if it's given with meal times.  Please give me any tips.
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Post by: Beata on August 08, 2006, 20:18:11 pm
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I have a little anxiety over how it's going to be to go to bed without nursing for him and wondering if he'll still cuddle with me if he only has a sippy or a bottle, and a little sadness that this phase is ending. 

Lucmom - how's it going...at nighttime I felt the same way, but I made sure dd was weel fed, and not thirsty, then we would have quiet play in her room, and a book and a song, now it's a great routine for us (albeit 3 months later.)
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Post by: deenz on August 09, 2006, 10:06:24 am
jennyb133 - What I did was to move the 10.30am feed to after lunch, and replace with a snack.  So you could end up with:

7am bf
7.30am breakfast
10.30am snack (eg. crackers and sippy of water)
12pm lunch
12.30pm bf
3pm snack (eg. banana and sippy of water)
4.30pm dinner
6.30pm bf

That is pretty much where we are still at (10.5mo).  I think at 1yr I will drop the lunch time bf.  Good to start introducing dairy, so that even if your lo is not so good initially at taking whole milk, he will still be getting calcium etc.
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Post by: elsa and jethro's mum on August 20, 2006, 13:06:49 pm
Hi everyone,
I've tried looking through the board for answers to my questions (I'm sure I saw them before!) but couldn't find them so I'm asking again!
I have a nearly 1 year old who I'm BF twice a day (she lost interest in the daytime ones over the last month). I'm 19 weeks pregnant so my milk isn't all it used to be but we're doing ok! She has dairy in her diet and loves it, and happily drinks water from a sippy but really isn't keen on milk, which no matter what I try she lets dribble down her chin. she does the same with EBM interestingly. I've warmed it, mixed with water, yogurt, EBM... not sure what else to try! she's never had a bottle and I'd rather do it without if I can.
So my questions are:
1. how do I get her taking milk from a sippy?
2. what should I be aiming for? should she be having a snuggly sippy milk feed from me sitting on a chair together etc to replace the BF as we drop them, or should I just get milk into her during the day (eg at meals) and then get rid of those cuddly times so as to be less confusing?  :'( Should I be expecting her to sit and take a whole drink of milk at once? she's never done that other than BF. Or should I just let her sup on and off? I'm kind of less than comfortable with letting milk sit in a cup while she takes a whole day on and off to drink 4 oz!
3. How do I find out how much of her requirement she's getting from her diet in cereal cheese yogurt etc? I reckon it's quite a lot but surely she needs to drink milk as well??

I guess my problem is that having got this far with no bottles and just BF I'm not sure where I'm trying to get her to: either to being off the zoned out milky feeds altogether once we drop the BF or replacing them with something else... but maybe I need to just realise that as I stop BF her (which may not be for a while but I'd like it to be before I'm 30-34 weeks if my milk lasts) that'll be the end of those snuggly times. can't think about it!

any tips everyone?
thanks
L
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Post by: mrs_kat on August 21, 2006, 02:24:54 am
Hey elsasmum, some of the ladies on the Aug/Sept 05 thread mentioned putting a little chocolate syrup or ovaltine (has vitamins) in the milk to get them used to drinking a good amount, then you could wean off the chocolate. 

I'm on my last week of breastfeeding my 12 month old and I know I will miss it too.  Normally she won't drink a whole lot of milk at once so I offer it at every meal and snack and sometimes in between (like when she first gets up from nap).  She hadn't had a bottle in months so she didn't care for trying to sit in my arms and drink, too confusing. 

As far as dairy intake, if your lo likes cheese and yogurt you should be in good shape.  My ped said they need a good amount of liquid and a good amount of dairy, but those don't necessarily have to be the same thing, KWIM?  As long as they're taking in lots of fluids and dairy in whatever form, they're doing well.

Good luck!
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Post by: swiper on September 08, 2006, 20:02:03 pm
hello ive posted on the soild board but ive just came across this board.
Ive got a 6 month dd who is eating 3 meals and drinking about 6/6.5 oz 4 times aday but my question is im not sure how much food she should be having as i think im over feedin her.

What I'm doing is giving her a jar of food which ive made myself.

Is this too much or not?
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Post by: lucmom on September 11, 2006, 02:36:34 am
elsasmum -- we had the same issue with our LO, and we found that with some experimentation with different cups over the course of a week or two, our LO took to soy milk quite happily (it's sweeter than cow's milk)  I've heard that some moms try starting with vanilla soy milk or rice milk, as both are even sweeter.

I too, tried for the snuggly time with a cup, but LO decided that milk from a cup is more of a meal or moving around drink.  He drinks most of a 6 oz cup each morning, but it varies the rest of the day.  He doesn't even want a cup at night before bedtime. 

We started the switch to milk at 12 months and my final weaning was at 14...we'd gotten the cup-soy combo in place by about 13 months so it made the final weaning a bit easier.  He's 15 months old now and asks for milk and water directly, so we know what he wants.  He also eats lots of cheese and yogurt and dr has given us the ok for his dairy intake. 

I was really sad for the first couple months about the change in snuggly times, but in the last month, there have been big developmental changes and now he seeks me out to cuddle during the day or to read books or sometimes even to drink his milk, so although I still miss the BF closeness, it is replaced with something new that is also lovely.

Swiper, doesn't sound like too much if dd seems happy and healthy -- that's about how much mine was taking at 6 months -- check with dr if you're worried that it's too much for dd's system.
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Post by: owelley on September 11, 2006, 18:02:27 pm
HI,  It's been a week now and dd has completely weaned herself from me.  I was completely devastated the first few days and my emotions nearly out of control.  Sigh...

Well now my boobs are hurting and I've been wearing sports bras because I like the support and my boobs are small anyway.
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Post by: jennyb133 on September 11, 2006, 20:07:11 pm
Hi! Thanks for the advice on the dropping from 4 to 3 BF.  I'm still working on it, but just had my DS 9 mos. check-up last week & Dr. confirmed it's okay to drop to 3 BF, so that makes me feel better about it.  Now I'm having issues with a 4am wake, so I just posted on the sleep board  ::)  Anyways, I'll probably check in with all of you in a few months when it's time to transition down to 2 BF  :'(
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Post by: Sherri123 on September 13, 2006, 12:37:55 pm
Hi my DS is just tuning 8 months old and I'm wondering how to wean him off my breast and instead take some formula ( personally i think it tastes gross)but i would like a little more freedom during the day and may half to go back to work yuckkk!! lol  I would like to feed only in the morning and at night . where do i start ?? i tried  some yesterday in his sippy cup around 1130 am and he was like whats this stuff ,he drank about one once and gave up...i ended giving him my breast again ..does this usually take some time?? what kind of Formula do you recommend ? he is not allergic to anything.I'm trying Good Start by Nestle...Please help  thanks Sherri
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Post by: elsa and jethro's mum on September 15, 2006, 08:58:02 am
Thanks for your help.

Elsa's drinking 5-6oz happily straight down from a straw cup after her afternoon nap: I go in and give it to her in her cot. The straw cup was the key!
I'm not sure about weaning off the last 2 feeds... I feed from one side at a time, and the morning side is SO sore she doesn't seem to be able to latch on without using her teeth. so i'm trying to stop that but then keeping evening feed going until she gets fed up or until I'm 35ish weeks preg which ever comes sooner (currently 22W). She's only 12.5 months which is very early weaning in our extended family so it feels kind of weird... if I wasn't PG I'd definitely keep going till 15/16 months at least, but by then I'l have another LO to think about!
yesterday am she took milk from a cup in the morning perfectly happily and seemed like she wouldn't look back. today it was a different story she woke up earlier than usual, tired and cranky, and then got really distressed and asked for BF when I offered her milk: in the end I caved in (I know you're not supposed to!) so I hope she's not too confused. Its so hard when she's asking like that, and I guess I'm not exactly keen to wean her.
Is this normal: do others have this sometimes ok, sometimes not experience with weaning their LOs? how long does it take them to be "ok" about it? and how long then for them to be able to sit on your lap at that time of day but not remember what used to happen?
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Post by: lucmom on September 15, 2006, 18:43:33 pm
elsasmum,

It took mine a few days for each of the last weanings.  He would gesture to where we'd sit or pull at my shirt, and I would tell him, "no, not now (or all gone), but you can have some milk" and divert him quickly, and within a couple days, we could sit in same chair at same time and he was fine.  I don't know if age or gender of child makes a big difference; I've heard that it can as well as their individual personalities.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: MGardner on September 18, 2006, 14:01:31 pm
I am very confused about weaning, specifically just how to do it? I am a working mom and have been pumping but am finding it more and more difficult. At the same time my DS is not getting used to the bottle since he only has it 3 days a week at daycare (I'm home with him the other 2 working days). So I'd like to start weaning slowly, I have reached my goal of breastfeeding to 6months. I'm wondering if I could wean slowly for like another 2 months until fully done. Or will my milk supply suffer if I wean that slowly making that impossible? I'd like to first wean the daytime feeds and start giving formula. I was thinking like a bottle of half formula and half expressed milk and start to only pump during my work day instead of twice and give these bottle during the day even when I am home with him. I will still BF the first morning feed and before bed feed. But i'm worried my milk supply will suffer since i'll only pump once during the day? So I'm nervous to start this. MY plan was to do this for a couple weeks and then drop pumping all together and give bottles of formula only during the day, still BFing in the morning and night. IS this realistic? Then I could slowely move to bottles for the morning and night. Am I on the right track with how to do this or am I totally not doing this right? I guess I"m just afraid to get started because I"m afriad of my milk supply...
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Post by: Samuel's mum on September 19, 2006, 12:51:20 pm
You don't sound confused to me!
You sound like you have thought about it carefully.

Yup, pump less and give mixed feeds initially. Then move to no pumping and just bf at morning and night. Then slowly move to bottles.

I would have thought a 2 month time frame is generous and certainly achieveable. You will find your supply changes but that is in fact the point! ;)

You want it to be reducing so that by the end you aren't fit to explode. Slowly is always good. You should find your body is able to adjust to only feeding twice a day (many feed twice a day for months). If you feel very anxious about having enough for your morning and night feeds a few weeks in you could always have a bottle available to top him up after if you really feel he isn't satisfied but I bet you'll be fine.
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Post by: MGardner on September 19, 2006, 13:48:00 pm
Great! Thanks for the confidence, I feel a lot better about my weaning schedule. I just feel sometimes I am making things up as I go along with my mothering. But I am learning that there is no black and white clear instructions when it comes to raising your child. It's a wierd feeling that now it is the point to have my milk supply lessen since for 6 months now all I think about is bulking up my milk supply. I'll respond to this forum as I go along to tell people about my weaning experience! Thanks again
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 19, 2006, 22:21:58 pm
hi,
maybe someone can help me with a few questions.  first some background info.  i worked very hard to bf successfully and ran into many challenges that would have sent others running to the bottle...for that i am personally proud.  i never thought we'd make it this far (even though lo is still quite little, almost 4 months) and everyday i bf has been a personal triumph :P  that said...i did introduce bottles of ebm in the 4th week per Tracy's advise (she's brilliant of course :-*) and dh gave evening bottle, 1 per day, until blocked tear duct which led to syringe feeding, too many bottles and then a refusal of both pacifier/bottle, all this around 2 months.  i think it coincided with a growth spurt/decline in milk production due to illness and i ended up nursing round the clock for many days, he was making up for lost calories, i was human pacifier, we weren't yet on Easy, growth spurt, decline in milk, etc.  well, it was too much for me and i was beginning to feel negatively and had been pumping in between feeds well i was exhausted and decided to stop pumping and just do daily bottle (when he eventually took one again) with formula.  i wanted to wean at this point but the daily ff gave me a break and then we did two and then three (i was weaning and it was working) but i decided that i enjoyed the balance and had nothing but positive feelings and gratitude for our bf at that point.  well, fast forward two months and one formula switch (last one he did not like, took on avg. a two ounce bottle at three months :o) and now he loves his new formula.  here's my question (sorry so much info, hee hee):  now he nurses for barely 5 minutes and drains his bottles.  i have upped his bottles to 4 oz and he drinks them well, but still bobbing on and off boob.  i should tell you i am lopsided and producing very little on one side, i have known this for two months and tried to remedy to no avail.  the other boob seems plentiful, but he doesn't seem to stay on long.  the other night for the first time ever, he refused the breast and then drained a 4 oz bottle...after only 1 hour 45 minutes since his last bf.  he never goes too much longer than 2.5 hrs between feeds but he seemed real hungry at 1 hr 45 min.  do you think my ds likes his new milk so much that he's showing preference for bottle?  do you think 5 min. on one boob and 2-3 on the less plentiful boob is too little for a full feed? is he self-weaning?  i was planning to wean slowly but completely when i introduced solids @ 5-6 months.  it's ok if he is self-weaning...not sure i have enough milk because of lopsided boob and he's bigger now and i NEVER  wanted to do mother-led weaning :'( but of course it's emotional either way.  if anybody has food for thought i would greatly appreciate it!  :-*
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: mrs_kat on September 20, 2006, 02:35:50 am
Just to clarify, could you post approximate times and feeds?  I don't think I have a good understanding of which feeds are bf and which are ff. 

Between four and five months, we transitioned to feeding at 8:30a, 12:30p, 4:30p, 8:30p, and about 5:00a.  Although I primarily bf'd and only gave bottles if we were out and about, I remember her taking 6 ounces from a bottle.  She's on the small side too, so I don't think that was an outrageous amount.  I guess I'm just wondering if maybe Caleb is hungry enough to take a bigger bottle, which may help him last longer before the next feed. 

Another thing with us was that dd would bf for about 4-5 minutes per side and seemed to get enough to hold her over until the next feed.  So an 8-10 minute total bf was the equivalent of about 6 ounces of formula.  So I don't think the length of the bf is an issue as much as whether or not he seems to get enough to tide him over.
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Post by: Samuel's mum on September 20, 2006, 07:29:43 am
Yes, a schedule would be useful. To agree with the PP it's possible to get @6 oz in even less than 8 minutes and remember quantities of breastmilk needed are less than formula because breastmilk has a higher fat and calorie content and is absorbed more efficiently than the body.
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 13:56:17 pm
I'm trying Good Start by Nestle...Please help  thanks Sherri
this is the worst tasting formula and i have tried similac, enfamil and my own breast milk.  breast milk tastes sweet like soy :-* and even my dr said baby will notice different taste.  started on similac but thought baby constipated (should've waited longer to switch/ or not switch at all >:()  anyway, good start has a repugnant taste, baby would only drink 1-2 oz.  i thought for sure it couldn't be possible that baby could taste the bad taste because surely his taste buds are underdeveloped ::) and that i was projecting my own feelings about the formula after having tasted it...well, after much wasted formula i had dh and dd taste it and my dd gagged and dh said do not give this to him, he had done a blind taste test and had tried enfamil (which i happened to have in the house, similac is the same really but didn't have any on hand) dh said give him this one and then i revealed which was which....update:  ds just chugged 5 oz.  a record amount, he loves his new milk and drinks @ room temp!!!!!
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 14:00:36 pm
ok let's see...i will post a schedule after i put ds down for a.m. nap now, after just taking a record 5 oz. of formula!!! thanks, ladies :-*
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 14:33:05 pm
ok here's our schedule:
7:30 bedtime (i nurse at this time both sides maybe 15, much of which are sleepy and probably inefficient?)
10:30 df (also bf for a good 8 or so min., usually one side because other side does not make lots of milk and ds gets frustrated and fidgety which might wake him?)
he has been waking once only (HUGE MILESTONE) @ around 3-4 o'clock in the a.m. (i bf for a good 6-8 min.)
wakes up for the day @ 7:30
i give ff@ 8:00, followed by activity and morning nap @ 9:00
usually sleeps 1 hr.
(today is the first day that he took almost entire 5 oz bottle @ morning ff so perhaps i will see how long we can go...prior to this morning and last couple days schedule has us feeding every 3 hr. max with 3-4 oz. ff)
so next feed would be bf (i alternate ff and bf during day/ 3 bottles max.)  it looks like:
nurse @ 11:00ish ( i figure 2.5 hr. after a nursing)
so...ff @ 1:30ish
nurse @ 4:30ish (if we make the 3 hrs. after a ff, we sometimes do and sometimes don't)
last ff for the day @ 6:30 (sort of a cluster feed)
top off with breast @ 7:30 for bedtime
he doesn't seem content for long after a nursing...feels like when he was a newborn and i was constantly wondering if he had enough, should i top off an hour later b4 nap just in case, etc. etc.
one thing i have realized from the bottle feeding forum is that he may need a 15 min. break in between a bottle...have been doing that in just the last few days and noticed him eagerly finishing bottles after the little rest)  that is tricky though because if you wait longer than 15 min. next thing you know you're topping him off an hour later and then your feed schedule is really off!  it is SOOO confusing to combination feed. :-[  one of my other main worries is that because i'm lopsided and he's over 12 lb.s (around 13) is that i don't really have two sides to offer and so there may not be enough?  ALSO,  he is sooo fidgety on the breast, kicking legs, pinching boob, bobbing on and off, etc.  hats off to you ladies who bf these BIG babies, i admire you all greatly :-*
i think this is everything i meant to say?  sorry, i'm positively incapable of short posts. :-[
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 14:45:31 pm
it's possible to get @6 oz in even less than 8 minutes and remember quantities of breastmilk needed are less than formula because breastmilk has a higher fat and calorie content and is absorbed more efficiently than the body.
this is really interesting, i always forget that...i have calculated his oz intake many times and if he was only receiving on avg. 8-9 oz of formula per day than he would have had to be getting at least 21 oz from the breast...so that would be around 5 oz each time, give or take and today i'm surprised he can take a 5 oz bottle, hee hee. (i get these calculations from the 2.5 oz per lb. which comes out to roughly 32 oz.  i am rounding down to 30) i wonder what the estimate is for exclusively bf babies (in oz) at around 4 mo. 
 he recently cut out 1-2 night time feeds believe it or not so perhaps the jump in ff has something to do with that too?   his appetite during the day could be from the new drop in night calories...just thinking out loud here...
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Post by: Samuel's mum on September 20, 2006, 15:31:17 pm
This is from kellymom.com and fits with what I've read elsewhere

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The research tells us that exclusively breastfed babies take in an average of 25 oz (750 mL) per day between the ages of 1 month and 6 months. Different babies take in different amounts of milk; a typical range of milk intakes is 19-30 oz per day (570-900 mL per day).


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his appetite during the day could be from the new drop in night calories...just thinking out loud here...

This sounds likely.

With regards to what you've termed 'self-weaning'. Younger babies can sometimes show a bottle preference because of the faster flow and the fact bottle-feeding is so much easier. This can mean less and less satisfaction with the boob (doesn't happen for all babies. Tracy recommended using variflow bottles or haberman feeders to try and reduce problem. This wouldn't be relevant for you if you were planning on weaning soon anyway but more for mums wanting to mixed feed long-term.)

 
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do you think 5 min. on one boob and 2-3 on the less plentiful boob is too little for a full feed?

This could be a full feed. You could also try and go back again to bigger boob and get another let down from it. What you do get will be very hindmilk rich so even a small amount would be worth it.
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Post by: lisi's mum on September 20, 2006, 16:00:13 pm
Hi I'd be interested to know what people think about our situation here...

dd is 11MO, I've been bfing 4x during the day and once in the night (or on very bad nights twice) for a good long while now. She eats a wide range of food, but in no great quantities and only weighs 7875g (17lb 4oz approx)

I started cutting out our 11am feed about a week ago, which she doesn't seem to miss. The other day, worrying about her weight I gave her a sippy of formula at 11 which had disasterous effects on lunch - like she refused to even take a bite >:(

I want to carry on weaning slowly ( I think her 1st birthday present will probably be no 3pm feed :P) is it likely that the less milk she gets the more solids she'll start eating, or should I wait until she eats with more enthusiasm?

The doctor's not worried, but you can't help being a little concerned when your friend's 4 mo old weighs more than your 11 monther!

TIA
Katie
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 16:36:41 pm
is the 4 mo old ff?  if so, your baby is probably leaner due to yummy mummy milk :-*  not sure about the rest, my lo is not quite 4 mo. i would think the less milk intake, the more solid food intake.  i think your timeline is right, milk should be primary until 1st birthday, right? :)
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 16:46:55 pm
hi samuel's mum,  thank you for great advice :-*  huge variation for exclusively bf babies!!  i have been using special bottle from u.s. that has two nipples and supposedly mimics the nursing style.  the idea is baby compresses both nipples and the milk 'lets down' at a rate similar to bf, hhhmmmmmm.  however, ds gets milk immediately from bottle and may be waiting for letdown from boob, also at one point i had a fast letdown/overproduction...green poo, white nipples, all the signs...i almost wonder if he likes the control of the bottle?  he does not fidget with bottle and lately seems more content during feeds.  this morning i fed him 5oz between 7:30-8 and then (a lot for him) i figured he'd go 3 hours but i found myself nursing @ 10:22 for 5-6 min. one side and he drank hungrily so....this does not seem like a growth spurt, pretty sure he had one about two weeks ago ;D i start on little boob for the strong suck for stimulation and then big boob and after he pulls off it's been 5 or so min. i usually try to put him back on but he'll bob on/off,  i can get another letdown but he doesn't seem to want/need it.  thank you for your time
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Post by: Samuel's mum on September 20, 2006, 16:58:11 pm
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i have been using special bottle from u.s. that has two nipples and supposedly mimics the nursing style.  the idea is baby compresses both nipples and the milk 'lets down' at a rate similar to bf

That sounds interesting. What's it called out of interest?
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 20, 2006, 19:34:43 pm
here's a link for the bottles:
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2449561&cp=2255981.2256160&cp=2255981&fbn=Brand+Name+Secondary%7CThe+First+Years&f=PAD%2FBrand+Name+Secondary%2FThe+First+Years&fbc=1&categoryId=2256160&parentPage=search#prod_prodinfo

maybe you've seen before?
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Post by: deenz on September 21, 2006, 08:06:16 am
lisi's mum - I think your dd may or may not up her solids intake if you cut down bf's!!  With dd1 I was bf'ing 4x per day at 10mo, and she was not eating a whole lot of solids.  So I was advised to drop to 3 bf per day, which I did, but it didn't affect her solid intake.  I think it's tricky to tell with bf'ing, as the lo may just up their intake at the other feeds, so overall be taking in the same amount of milk.

My dd2 probably is the same size as your dd, and is a great eater (well, probably not great amounts, but eats most things I give her, family food etc etc).  I wouldn't worry about introducing formula at this stage.  If you are wanting her to eat more solids, this won't help.  Sounds like you're on the right track anyway!
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Post by: lisi's mum on September 21, 2006, 10:56:15 am
thanks Denise. I just am getting so nervous about this whole food thing seeing that her weight gain is way below "normal" (200g in 6 weeks) and she's such a little shrimp. It's silly I know, particularly as the doctor isn't concerned, just I come from a family of massive babys and kind of wonder what I'm doing wrong  ::)

Katie
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Post by: Samuel's mum on September 21, 2006, 12:38:26 pm
Anna and Caleb's mommy - thanks for the pic. Never seen those before! Intriguing! And why isn't the bottle cover able to get lost?
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 21, 2006, 14:19:46 pm
no problem...the cover just attaches to the bottom of bottle, which just makes it awkward to hold, so that's not a terrific feature ::) but...other sites and i suppose the packaging itself boasts about the letdown and nipple shape, etc. 
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 21, 2006, 23:34:09 pm
Between four and five months, we transitioned to feeding at 8:30a, 12:30p, 4:30p, 8:30p, and about 5:00a. 
is that 5 feeds total for 24 hour period?  took your advice and am offering larger bottle, 5 oz, he doesnt take it all except for twice, but we're working up to it. our routine is off right now, feeding too frequently, short naps, i wanted to mention one of my boobs doesn't yield a lot of milk so i'm having a hard time feeling confident about supply...hard to know if he's getting enough to tide over because of that and so i probably feed too frequently which leads to short naps and it's just a vicious cycle.  i am convinced that we will never be on easy until i stop bf :(  thank you for advice.   :-*
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Post by: mrs_kat on September 22, 2006, 02:33:50 am
Please don't be insulted by this, but are you sure he's really hungry every time you feed him?  You may have discussed this in a previous post, so sorry if that's the case.  What happens if you don't feed him right away - does he just cry and cry? 

Also, I remember that we struggled with the 45-minute naps from three months to nearly six months, and that made it difficult to stay on EASY, especially before she was able to stay up for very long. At three months, I'd feed her, she'd be awake an hour, then sleep only 45 minutes, so it wouldn't be time for her to eat yet, but since she could only stay up an hour I'd end up having to feed her right before putting her back to sleep and the whole EASY thing turned into EASAESAE...you get my drift.  So anyway, with short naps tossed in, are you sure he's hungry and not just tired sometimes?  My lo was willing to eat any time I was willing to feed her (just like I'm always up for a snack even though I'm not always hungry), but that doens't necessarily mean she NEEDED to eat all the time...it could make the difference between her eating a little versus a lot. 

By the way, we didn't drop to five feeds until five months...your lo is younger than I was thinking when I originally posted.

Best of luck!  It may not feel like it but you're doing great.  I don't know where you stand as far as spirituality, but my comfort when I go through crazy times like that (we had a two week period recently where she pretty much had milk, two graham crackers, and a spoonful of baked beans for a few days in a row - at a year old!) is that God gave me my baby because He knew I could take care of her just the way she needs, and He'll show me what I need to do to sustain her and help her flourish.
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 22, 2006, 14:43:01 pm
At three months, I'd feed her, she'd be awake an hour, then sleep only 45 minutes, so it wouldn't be time for her to eat yet, but since she could only stay up an hour I'd end up having to feed her right before putting her back to sleep and the whole EASY thing turned into EASAESAE...you get my drift.  So anyway, with short naps tossed in, are you sure he's hungry and not just tired sometimes?  My lo was willing to eat any time I was willing to feed her (just like I'm always up for a snack even though I'm not always hungry), but that doens't necessarily mean she NEEDED to eat all the time...it could make the difference between her eating a little versus a lot. 

this is exactly what's going on!!! i just wrote a long post in reply to yours about how dh and i are weak...i question my lopsided supply...his short naps make him cranky....he eats too frequently...i will stay strong today and not give any milk until 3 hour mark...3.5 would be even better...he's not a big crier...just fussy (probably tired) i hoping to fix one and cure the other, hee hee.  i will wean entirely this week, he's showing bottle pref. and bf going badly and i want to end with positive feelings...we worked hard to bf...never thought we'd make it this long...i thank God for that opportunity :-* also thank God for all our other little victories...he's in his crib, in his nursery (i'm on floor) and wakes up once at night, and likes his new formula!!! a lot actually and drinks room temp., hee hee. but short naps are exhausting, putting him down several times a day  :'(, then questioning whether he's actually tired (but i know he is!)  i need to stop second guessing myself :-[ and running an errand seems to throw us off for  the entire rest of the day!!!  well, thank you so much for your time and good advice :-*
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Post by: mrs_kat on September 22, 2006, 16:56:20 pm
Well, if you decide to go fully formula, you made it four months with bf and that's great!  You'll eliminate the stress of wondering if he's getting enough so maybe you'll have more energy to deal with the short naps.  :)  There are plenty of suggestions on the nap board for dealing with it - some have had great success using the techniques and some, like mine, just had to grow out of it, but at least it wasn't long before she could stretch out her awake time and we could get back on EASY even with the short naps.  Best of luck!
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Post by: Anna & Baby Caleb's Mommy on September 22, 2006, 19:01:53 pm
I couldn't agree more
  You'll eliminate the stress of wondering if he's getting enough so maybe you'll have more energy to deal with the short naps.  :)
thank you so much for the encouragement! i'm beginning to think lo is more spirited than i realized, also he changes so much, he's not quite the same as even a month ago :o  we didn't make the 3 hour mark, i guess we're working up to that :-[ his morning ff was only 3.5 oz (not enough :() but i guess we were pretty close, maybe 2 hours 45 min.  thanks again :-*
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Post by: sofiasmommy on September 22, 2006, 19:17:14 pm
Lisi's Mum....My little one will be 10 months this coming weekend and she is only 15lbs! We have MANY friends with babies much younger than her that weigh more than her! HA!! Dr. has never been concerned as she has always gained like a pund a month, never lost anything.

Now onto my weaning questions!! My LO is 10 months and is currently taking 4 bfs a day. 6:30, 10:30/11:00, 2:30/3:00, and then 6:30/7:00......I want her to be fully weaned by the time she hits her 1 yr b-day on Nov. 23rd. I am not sure how or when to start the whole weaning process. She has  no problem taking bottles of EBM, however I have a HUGE problem with pumping...my body does not respond to it at all! She also takes water and diluted juice in sippy cups with no problem. She really never seems hungry...we just eat on a schedule! She has solids 3 times a day and if I give her too much of those, then she DOES NOT want to bf! She sucks a bit and then is done! :)

Right now, she is the least intersted in her 10:30 feed. She only goes for less then 10 mins and is VERY antsy. The only feed she REALLY wants is her wake up in the morning feed. The other 3 are minimal compared to that one! :)

So, where and when do I start? How do I go about doing it???? If there is a thread somewhere on this, please direct me, as DD doesn't give me enough time to read through all the posts!:) Sorry!!!
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Post by: Beata on September 22, 2006, 19:36:57 pm
Sophiasmommy - I suggest you eliminatethe least important first. Maybe the day feeds...then evening, then you can always decide on the when to do the morning feed. Give yourself at least a few days to a week at each feed. Replace the ones in the day with a snack. or just lunch. I think a normal meal routine for toddlers in general is breakfast, lunch and dinner with 2 snacks, mid-morning and mid afternoon.

My pediatrician gave me the go-ahead at 11 months to switch to milk at about 5 oz (one feed) per week, but definitely as your doctor about that. If your lo takes formula maybe just switch to that.

Good luck  ;D
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Post by: sofiasmommy on September 22, 2006, 21:01:13 pm
Thanks Beata!

I will have to check with her ped to see if we can start milk. I did yogurt with her a month ago and she had a mild rash from it. I was going to try it again here soon.

I just don't really want to do formula with her. So, that is why I want to wait until she is 1 to get the whole milk into her. Just seems easier to continue to bf.

If I cut out a feeding, will she not be getting enough of the nutrients she needs from the milk? That is what I am most worried about.
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Post by: Beata on September 22, 2006, 22:32:23 pm
Have you given her cheese yet? Or other sources of calcium. I would not worry about calories because I think you can replace those...like you said, ask your doctor what to do, especially since she had a reaction to yogurt - I know what it's like to have a dairy protein intolerant baby  :-\

Maybe you can give a vitamin supplement?
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Post by: Lovejoy on September 28, 2006, 17:30:02 pm
sad to be even posting on here - but i feel the time has come for dd to be weaned off the breast.  At the moment 2 feeds: a wake up morning feed and then her bedtime feed (once a week OH gives her a bottle of formula for bed routine)
How do i go about weaning her off - I'm thinking of replacing bedtime feeds with bottle
(or should i give her a beaker - can babies actually drink their milk from beakers????? she drinks water from them, but i don't mind that dribbled/spilt and wasted!!) 
And then slowly weaning off morning feed...gosh i feel sad typing this (we love the morning feed)  but i do want to bf upto 1 year max (she's 11 months old)
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Post by: deenz on September 29, 2006, 08:49:05 am
Lisi's mum - I got dd2 weighed the day before her birthday, and she only weighs 7.29kg!!  So she's very tiny.  In fact, she's 'fallen off' the NZ growth charts now!  At 9.5m she weighed 6.93kg so didn't put on very much weight in that 2.5m.  She is very busy, crawling, climbing, cruising etc.  I'm not sure whether anyone's worried, as I just took her to get weighed, not to see anyone or anything.  Not sure how I get her to put on more weight, other than feed her more high calorie food???!  Anyway, just to let you know there are other little babies out there... I get so sick of people commenting on her size (well, it depends on how people say it...!). ;)
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Post by: MGardner on September 30, 2006, 23:13:07 pm
I've posted before that I wanted to start to wean - slowly, my DS is 6 months old. I wanted to still BF morning and night. So I started to only pump once a day and supplement with formula, putting half breastmilk half formula in the bottles. Well I'm drying up. I know this because when I feed the baby he is just not satisfied, I think he is also having an issue with the flow too, like he is getting used to the bottle flow. he is just so fussy at the breast sometimes even screaming. It's a miserable experience for both of us. I usually end up giving a bottle to top him off and pumping immediately afterwards. It's like triple duty. What can I do? Is he weaning himself and should I just let this go? My main problem is that we are going on vacation in 4 days. I am so nervous about this in general, taking him on a plane, being in a different place, bringing him to event after event (it's for a family wedding). I REALLY don't want to completely stop BFing now - I didn't want to change anything before this trip! Help!!!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: lissylewis on October 01, 2006, 22:09:34 pm
Hi there,

I have exclusively breastfed my DS for nearly 11 months, and although I have absolutely loved  it I have has recurrent mastitis and I am getting it more frequently now than I did in the early days.  I have had it nearly 10 times and needed antibiotics for over half of those times.

Anyway I am thinking of weaning but need advice on where to start as I am worried with my abundant supply of getting mastitis again and again.

He has three feeds in the day at 7, 12, 5pm and usually one night feed at aroung 3 or four in the morning.  Sometimes he is not waking for the night feed anymore which is great but it is not always definite.

I feed him before solids as this way works best for him.  We tried the other way around and he wouldn't feed much at all, and sometimes refused.

Any tips pointers would be greatly appreciated.  He will drink from a sippy cup now which is great and we have tried formula and he will take it which is an added bonus.

Where do I start and how long is best to wean over ????

Mel

Ps Is it normal to be very apprehensive about doing this??  I am going to miss it but it is really wearing me out at the same time....
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Post by: lucmom on October 02, 2006, 02:14:29 am
Hi,
I weaned my LO very slowly over a period of months, but I have several girlfriends who got down to 1 or 2 feeds and did it over a weekend.  I started by dropping the feeds he was least interested in, which for us was the cluster feeds.  I continued to drop one feed a month (again, I know people who have done it a week apart, but I took it slowly to keep from getting too engorged, having my hormones go haywire, and because I wasn't in any rush to stop bf.   Once I got down to morning and night, I dropped them one month apart.  By that time he was over 13 months olds, and we were already off the bottle.  I worked on introducing milk from when he was one (he didn't like it, and drinks soy now) so once I was letting go of those final feeds, I just offered a sippy of milk instead.  (The first day, I had a bottle ready too, just in case, but he went for the sippy. 

The first couple days of the dropping of the last feeds (especially am) LO did look at me quizzically and patted the chair where we'd bf.  I told him "milk's all gone" and offered him the cup and he accepted that and didn't ask after a few days (which made me terribly sad, even though I was happy he was adjusting well).

lissylewis, it is totally normal to be apprehensive.  I felt that it was the right time for us, but I was really sad about it too, mostly because of the end of the special bonding, but also for the soothing power of bf!  The first month after weaning completely, I felt like I'd really lost something, but within another month, DS started reaching out for cuddling and snuggling more throughout the day (which he hadn't done before) so take heart that they find a way to replace the bonding time at their own pace.

By the time I was down to 2 feeds, I didn't have  a problem with engorgement at all, but with the daytime feeds, I sometimes needed to pump for a few minutes to relieve the pressure...it probably made it take a little longer for my body to adjust, but it helped make it a more comfortable process.

MGardner, how is it going?  Could you maybe try using a different bottle where you can control the flow?  Have you tried any of the teas or herbs to increase your milk supply (or even a beer after LO goes to sleep)?  Or maybe it's just the stress of the upcoming trip?  Your body may just be adjusting to the drop in pump and take a little while to readjust to what your LO needs.  It sounds crazy to say try not to worry about it, but you can only do the best you can.  Hang in there and keep us posted.

HTH --
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on October 02, 2006, 11:09:20 am
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So I started to only pump once a day and supplement with formula, putting half breastmilk half formula in the bottles. Well I'm drying up. I know this because when I feed the baby he is just not satisfied, I think he is also having an issue with the flow too, like he is getting used to the bottle flow.

MGardner - You do sound quite anxious about the trip so who knows what effect you might be having. I know you were planning on weaning slowly but it's always unpredictable how supply will respond. Some people can maintain only 1 or 2 feeds a day - others can't.

Here's my 2 cents. (adopting big sisterly tone)

I have watched you on these boards work so hard these last few months with pumping at work and worrying about supply (not without much reason but join the club ;)). You have given it 200%.
You have made a choice to begin the weaning process and it seems to me as though you have a few mixed emotions flying around. You've had such a powerful mindset and 'increase supply/protect supply/how's my supply' and it's difficult to drop that.
OK - so perhaps this isn't going to go at quite the rate you imagined and it might be faster than you'd hoped but weaning is what you decided was right for all of you. You have given it so much and you need to let go a little bit of some of this tension.

You are supposed to be having a reduction in supply. That's the point. It can't always be controlled precisely but overall that is the way it has to go. Have you read of some people recently on the boards with mastitis? - not fun! A reduction in supply it has to be.

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Is he weaning himself and should I just let this go?

No - he's not weaning himself. You are weaning him with love and care and it's fine.

I can completely understand you not wanting any big changes before this trip but do you really want to be doing this triple duty thing and having unhappy feeds either?

As it seems as though you may not be able to maintain the feeds you want you have a choice:
Either back track - full force - resume pumping - cut back on bottles - take herbal supplements and change your mind (if you want to do this - it will be mega and it shouldn't be something you do for just a few weeks but a major shift in your thinking). If this is what you really want to do let me know and I can give you some pointers.

Or - and this is what I feel is best in your situation - accept your choice, celebrate all your incredibly hard work and continue on this path. So weaning may be faster than you had anticipated but think about why you chose it in the first place. In the meantime you could consider buying different bottles with variflow control. Or instead of this triple duty thing focus on one time of day where you want to try and keep your supply up e.g. nighttime and only pump then.

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It's a miserable experience for both of us

In conclusion - 'miserable' is not good - There will be always be emotions when bf comes to an end (Your hormones are shifting for one). You will lose a tool on your mommy belt but you will find others to replace it that will be special too.

Let it go. Enjoy your trip.
Apologies for sounding bossy.
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Post by: Samuel's mum on October 02, 2006, 11:20:12 am
lissylewis/ Mel - with your history of mastitis - heavens above! That is a record in my book. You need a medal. It is inspiring you have kept going. Really inspiring

I hope someone has talked to you about what can be done in cases of recurrent mastitis (e.g dietary changes, lecithin supplements) as if you were to bf again you need to have some expert advice. I would personally have some question marks about the effectiveness of some of the antibiotics you were prescribed for one. If you get ill again you should ask for a swab and a full work-up to be done so source of infection can be identified and antibiotics pin-pointed precisely. (Of course this might already have happened ages Ok and you could be thinking  ::))
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/recurrent-mastitis.html

Enough on that - I am not even going to beat about the bush. I think you need some expert advice before you embark on weaning. I think you should contact your local La Leche League and speak to a leader or hire an LC or at least phone a helpline. There are numbers on the FAQ page. I'm a trainee breastfeeding counsellor and I don't feel remotely qualified to advise you other than say slowly slowly slowly. I would think in terms of months not weeks. I think with your history you need advice - sorry. I can completely understand why anyone would feel apprehensive especially in your case.  :-\
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: MGardner on October 02, 2006, 13:12:43 pm
Samuel's mom - thanks  alot for the advice. I know you are right. I'm feeling so many things, sad that this BF experience is quickly coming to an end, anxious about the trip, but also excited that my little one is growing up. I don't know how to deal with it all. I am going to simply focus on keeping up my supply at night until after I get home from my trip. At that point I will let happen what happens. If even the night feeding becomes hard I will end it. I just can't believe that at that time I will never ever breastfeed him again. I will probably start crying right now... and can't imagine what the last time will feel like for me...but thanks so much for all your help. I'll keep you updated.
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Post by: smileymama on October 03, 2006, 00:46:28 am
Hi All - I am in need of some weaning advice. My ds is 9.5 mo. and I have decided I'd like to wean. He is on 4 hour EASY and has been waking at midnight (which used to be a df but now he wakes up for it) and then again at 4am/5am. I think these have turned into habitual wakings but since he's not gaining enough, I bf him begrudgingly. I have started giving him 2 oz formula at meal times (because of his need to gain weight) which he sometimes chugs all of, and other times won't have a lick of it. I was reading through Solves All of Your Problems last night and today I started dropping the bf at the 8:15am morning feed. I tried giving him formula in the same sippy cup he uses for the formula at his high chair - while sitting with him on my lap on the couch (where I normally bf him). I was planning on dropping this feed for a week and then moving onto the others. He bf fine after his meal at 12pm but wouldn't bf after his 4pm feed.

Here are my questions...
-should I have dh do pu/pd at the nighttime feeds (both or just one?)
-should i take his uninterest in the 4pm bf as a sign of self-weaning and go stop bf all together?
-is there anything else I should/should not be doing?

His schedule:
8am wake
8:15 E
8:45 A
10:00 S
11:30 wake
12:00 E
12:30 A
2:00 S
3:30 wake
4:00 E
4:30 A
8:00 E
8:30 S

thank you, thank you, thank you! I am so grateful for any advice.
xoxo
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Post by: mrs_kat on October 03, 2006, 15:22:24 pm
If he's still taking the noon and nighttime bf's fine, I wouldn't assume he's self-weaning.  If you'd rather do a slower wean, I think you should go that path instead. 

This was my own preference with my dd, but when she was your lo's age and had a 5:00am feeding, this is the one I dropped first.  She's also on the small side so I did worry about her eating enough but found that she ate better during the day when she wasn't getting a full feed during the night.

I actually weaned it - limited it to five minutes for a week, then to two minutes, and she did cry when I took her off the boob before she wanted, but we just cuddled for a few minutes until she was calm and thankfully she did go right back to sleep when I laid her back in bed.  The next step we planned was just to give her the paci when she woke, but she ended up getting an ear infection and that actually worked in our favor - for two nights she woke at different times but just needed eardrops to get back to sleep and didn't demand a feed.  By the third night, when she wasn't in pain anymore, she slept on through till 7:00.  All that to say, you could do pu/pd during the wakeups or you could drop the amount of time that you bf if you prefer a slower approach.  Whichever you think he would handle better.  Best of luck!
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Post by: momof3girls on October 03, 2006, 16:47:49 pm
I've been reading a few of these posts (not all - good grief, I'd be here all day! ;)), and you're all so encouraging!  I'm in the process of slowly weaning dd and feeling :-\ which I never thought would happen.  I hated bfing my older two and couldn't wait to stop!  I started weaning both of them at 6 mos. and they were completely weaned by 9-10 mos., but I kept going with this one originally because we didn't want to pay for formula.  Now that she's old enough for cow's milk, I thought I'd be so eager to quit bfing, but my heart just isn't in it.  We're down to 3 times during the day (although her afternoon feed is more like a 3-minute snack ::)), and a feed at around 1am because I've been putting off doing pu/pd to help her go back to sleep :-[.  Part of me really wants to wean her, and part of me says keep going!  I know I'm not asking any questions or offering any advice, but since this is a support thread, I just thought I'd speak up...
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Post by: smileymama on October 03, 2006, 16:54:17 pm
mrs kat - Thank you so much for your insight! I am so happy to hear what has worked for you.

So, do you think that I should just slowly take away the minutes i feed my lo during the daytime (one feeding at a time) just like I am doing at the 4am/5am feed? Or, do you think i should just drop a feed during the daytime and hope that ds will drink enough formula? I could also try giving him ebm in a sippy cup when i would normally bf him. Any thoughts? 

Thanks.
xoxo
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Post by: Lovejoy on October 03, 2006, 17:21:18 pm
sad to be even posting on here - but i feel the time has come for dd to be weaned off the breast.  At the moment 2 feeds: a wake up morning feed and then her bedtime feed (once a week OH gives her a bottle of formula for bed routine)
How do i go about weaning her off - I'm thinking of replacing bedtime feeds with bottle
(or should i give her a beaker - can babies actually drink their milk from beakers????? she drinks water from them, but i don't mind that dribbled/spilt and wasted!!) 
And then slowly weaning off morning feed...gosh i feel sad typing this (we love the morning feed)  but i do want to bf upto 1 year max (she's 11 months old)

just bumping up my own pos t so that i can be advised how to wean off bf - sorry indulgent i know!
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Post by: mrs_kat on October 03, 2006, 18:50:13 pm
Lovejoy, not indulgent at all!  I'm sorry I didn't notice yours earlier.  Since she's already 11 months, are you planning to replace those bf's with milk or are you going to do formula first, then milk?  My dd rarely got bottles so when we weaned we went straight to giving her milk in a spillproof sippy (I assume that's the same as a beaker?), which she'd already been using for water and juice.  The downside with this as opposed to a bottle is that she wouldn't just sit and drink all at once.  The plus side is that there was no need to wean from a bottle.  So whichever seems better to you - bottle or sippy.

What ended up happening when we dropped the bedtime feed was that we replaced it with a sippy of milk and a snack, usually graham crackers.  We're a family that snacks in the living room so we allowed her to do the same, and she'd usually eat the crackers right away and over the course of 20 minutes or so, as we played and read books, she'd drink the milk.  I know some families prefer to limit food and drink to the high chair or table, so that would affect whether you would be ok with doing what we did.  I kept the morning feed for about two weeks after dropping the bedtime one (I loved starting the day off that way!), and we dropped the morning one by having dh get dd up from her crib and right away hand her a cup of milk, which she chugged just as enthusiastically as she nursed.  I admit to sitting in the bedroom feeling very blue during this time, but I knew that if I got her out of bed she'd be less likely to accept the milk.  After a few days, she was used to having a sippy first thing and I was able to start getting her up without any fuss.  I hope some of this is helpful; even if you wean differently than I did I think it's always good to hear what other people have done as you decide what works best for your family.

Dannymomma, when we went from four daytime feeds to three, I got rid of the lunch and dinner time feeds and gave an afternoon snack bf right before the second nap.  Then we were able to replace that afternoon bf with a sippy of milk and a snack, but dd was 11 months at this point and we were willing to give cow's milk.  So if you wanted to drop your feeds in the same order, you could bf or give a sippy of ebm before the 2:00 nap, and then have that be the next feed to go whenever you're ready.
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Post by: lissylewis on October 03, 2006, 23:37:28 pm
Thanks heaps for all the great advice.  I know I am going to have to do it slowly and you are right I am going to speak to a lactation consultant I have a great one who I wouldn't be breastfeeding today if it wasn't for her, she got me thru the nightmare few weeks when my nipples were falling off!!!

About the mastitis I know, everyone else thinks I need a medal, but I absolutley love breastfeeding my little boy and that is what has got me thru, it is a truly wonderful thing. 

I will keep in touch and let you know how things go....

Mel
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Post by: deenz on October 04, 2006, 06:52:44 am
Lovejoy - in addition to what mrs_kat said, I just wanted to add how we weaned dd1.  We also never used bottles/formula, and at the age your lo is at, you wouldn't need to either, if you didn't want to.  Before dd1 was taking much cow's milk (it took her a while to like it) we would just make sure she was getting plenty of other dairy (yogurt, cheese etc) and fluid (water).  For the bedtime feed, I gradually brought it earlier and earlier so that it wasn't associated with going to bed.  So eventually it was after her dinner (and before bath etc).  We didn't add any snacks or anything, just kept encouraging her to drink more cow's milk at dinner time.  Then we dropped it one day (although dd1 was older than your lo at that time).  We did the same as mrs_kat for the morning feed.  Granted our process was much longer (only fully weaned at 25m! But at 1yo we were at 2 feeds).
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Post by: clh on October 04, 2006, 19:09:47 pm
Would someone remind me that weaning, by definition, requires a drop in production?  I know that's silly, but I'm having mental/emotional issues about it at the moment.  I'm down to one pump/day at work, and I nurse ds morning & night.  I'm planning to continue morning & night as long as I can.  I just pumped substantially less than usual & am feeling bummed.  Tell me I'm silly, please.  Thanks!  ;)  (Ds is *fine* with cow's milk & sippys, BTW)
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Post by: Samuel's mum on October 04, 2006, 19:30:25 pm
Candice

You're silly!

 ;D

Although I can completely appreciate how weird it must be to have to change your thinking on supply 180 degrees!!
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Post by: BabyBsMommy on October 05, 2006, 02:57:17 am
Hope I'm posting in the right place.  Starting to wean my 9 month old today...we are going to try to start ttc in 2 months and my monthly friend has yet to make an appearance (I know that may not matter for ttc but it would be nice to have a clue on timing, lol!)  Anyways, he is on a 4.5 EASY that looks like this:
7am bf
8am solids
930am nap (1 hour)
1130am bf
1230pm solids
200-230ish bap (1.5 hours)
400pm bf
500pm solids
700pm bf and then to bed

I am planning on weaning the 4pm feed first, then the 1130am one, about 2 weeks apart but keep the am and pm one a bit longer.  So today I gave a bottle of formula at 415 after his nap and he took 6 oz so I was worried about getting dinner in him and ANOTHER bf at 700.  So I'm wondering, should I only offer 3 oz or so and a little snack after his nap (say a few bits of fruit, gerber puffs, etc.) to hold him through to dinner....is he ready to move to 3 feeds?
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Post by: deenz on October 05, 2006, 09:03:43 am
BabyBsmommy - yes, I think that would be fine.  You could perhaps even bypass the formula altogether after his nap if he's getting other sources of calcium/dairy  (and then add some snack and water at that time).  I am sure ff babies at this age would only be having 3 bottles??  Maybe check the ff board.  My dd2 was on only 3 bf at that age (and no formula, but including cheese and yogurt).  When you get to dropping the 11.30am feed I think you will need to add the formula in.  Probably after lunch though.  HTH, and good luck with TTC!
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Post by: BabyBsMommy on October 05, 2006, 14:58:09 pm
Thanks!  He is getting some extra calcium in his diet - he has about 1/3 of a carton of dairyland baby yogurt at breakfast, a quarter of a grilled cheese sandwich at lunch and either some whole wheat pasta with a bit of melted cheese on it at dinner or a bit of shredded cheese mixed in with a veggie.  Will this suffice?  I am going to bf today as we are out for the evening so he'll be getting a bottle of formula before bed but tomorrow I'll go back to trying out either the 3 oz of formula or just some water in a sippy.  Thanks!
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Post by: deenz on October 06, 2006, 00:16:29 am
Sounds fine!

Have a good evening!
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Post by: mommy2chase on October 10, 2006, 13:50:07 pm
Hi Everyone,I would first like to thank everyone for the support on this board. I am thinking of beginning to wean my son who is almost 1.  he's weaned himself down to 2-3 feeds per day. 

My problem is I have mixed feelings.  I want to wean to kind of get my life back a little, but at the same time I'm thinking that I love nursing and I'll never get this time back.  I don't really know what to do.  My dh kind of wants me to stop, just cuz he talks to the girls at work and they were all done well before a year, and initially I told him I wanted to try to make it a year. 

so any words of support in either direction would be of great appreciation.

Thanks ladies and good luck to everyone!
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Post by: CaedensMama on October 10, 2006, 15:07:30 pm
I've been there!
I too told my DH that I wanted to make it to a year and then see where we were. So, he didn't even discuss or bring up weaning before then. But, right around a year he began asking "are you going to wean him?" and such. At that point we were at about 4 feeds a day. I told him we would "start working on it" and see what happened. At first I tried to keep him at just 4 feeds and no more or little snacks thru the day. Then I dropped one of the feeds and we stayed at just that. About that time I found out I was pregnant again. I too had mixed feelings about weaning, I enjoyed the time, it didn't take much and he was still wanting it. And as a SAHM it made life a bit easier not to be having to NOT nurse him when he asked for it after he nap or something. Thru the summer I found we pretty much stopped nursing when we were out. So it varied from one feed to 3 feeds a day depending on our schedule and he was doing fine with that. By mid August we were down to first thing in the morning - which was rarely missed! And sometime after pm nap and before bed depending on what we were doing. I slowly weaned him off that one - kinda just worked because of our schedule and being out alot. My in-laws were here the last couple weeks and I was down to just the am feed and found that I was the reluntant one in giving it up. I wasn't sure I was ready to be completly done. He did fine if we missed, but I wasn't sure I was ready to be done. I had given myself till the end of the year to drop that feed as I did want to wean him before the baby arrives in March. With my in-laws here, it became easier for him to be distracted in the mornings so I went ahead and just stopped offering. He had asked a couple times in the last week to nurse, but I have just told him, "not now" and offered him his milk cup and he has been satisfied with that answer.
I am kinda sad we are done. I realized when DH asked me that he hadn't nursed in a week and I knew we were finished.  :( :( But, it is part of growing up and I knew it was going to happen sometime.

All that to say - if YOU want to keep one or 2 feeds and drop the others, that's fine. It is more comfort for him now anyway and maybe you can keep that one feed at a convenient time and drop the ones to give you a bit more freedom to go out in the evenings, etc. There are a number of moms on here nursing well past a year and I am sure they would have some advice too. For me, it worked well for my well-being to take it slow!
Hoep that helps.  :)
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Post by: MGardner on October 11, 2006, 21:45:28 pm
What do I do if my milk supply isn't keeping up with my weaning schedule. For instance, I wanted to cut down one feed every few weeks..but now that I am only down to 3 feeds (morning, night and middle of the night), I find that I don't have enough milk even for those 3. I want to cut down to 2 feeds and switch out a bottle in the morning but I'm afraid my milk will completely disappear for the night. What do I do in that instance? Will my LO be in complete shock if I go from 3 BF's to 0??? Do I simply BF to start and then supplement when I feel like I am empty? What is the appropriate time to go when dropping feeds???
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Post by: CaedensMama on October 11, 2006, 23:03:53 pm
How old is your LO? If you are under a year, you will need to supplement the 3 feeds for sure. Over a year you should be able to wean to a sippy cup with milk in it.
How are you sure you are running out of milk now? I know that sounds funny but towards the end for me I had no clue if there was anything there. Is the LO getting upset and pulling off or not sucking? Are you pumping and not getting anything - if so, the baby still could be as it is a different suck?
Personally from what you have said so far I would say let the LO keep nursing at all 3 feeds at this point.
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Post by: MGardner on October 12, 2006, 16:41:24 pm
My LO is 6 months I know I have to supplement the feeds with bottle instead of the BF but i'm just don't know how to deal with the fact that I don't have enough milk for those feeds I'm still BFing now. My LO screams after about 5 minutes of sucking and still wants to eat, I switch sides and he sucks for awhile and then isn't satisfied - and I do not get anything when I pump either - used to get 6oz. So i'm pretty sure milk supply is going down due to my weaning - which I am accepting. I just don't know how to deal with it. Do I just speed up the weaning process and just start giving bottles???
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Post by: Samuel's mum on October 13, 2006, 18:05:59 pm
I think the best thing to do would be to offer the breast first for every feed you'd like to keep and if he seems very unsatisfied at the end - offer the bottle. I know we talked before about avoiding the 'triple duty' thing - If you are desperate to retain one particular feed you could try pumping after it but I would have thought that's not certain to work and quite difficult to achieve the correct balance. I think if you offer the breast first and the bottle after your supply will reduce naturally and you'll have much less chance of any blocked ducts etc. I know this is all faster than you'd hoped  :'( but you really should be proud of your six months achievment and focus on the positives if you can.
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Post by: waffler on November 05, 2006, 06:21:26 am
Sigh... I wanted to b/f my DD for as long as she'd have me. She is now 7months, and I have started to supplement all the b/fs with a bottle of formula. She wasn't gaining weight, and started to lose weight. I pumped, but all i got was 30mls or so (1oz). Then because i was so stresssed, i'd hardly have a let down.

So, on formula, she now takes (after a b/f) about 120-150mls. So she was clearly not getting enough. I still express at least twice a day, and still offer both breasts first. I was so upset initially, as I really wanted to b/f 100%. But her health obviously comes first, and if it means she needs formula - then of course that's what we'll do.

But I'm hoping that she'll still want to b/f for as long as she wants, and I hope that I'll still have milk! She gets SO excited when she sees the bottle now - makes me very jealous!
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Post by: Nee on November 08, 2006, 15:56:24 pm
I have begun weaning from breast to bottle and I'm finding  it emotional  :'(  I want to wean but part of me is finding it hard to let go.  We are at 3 bottles a day with top off bottles for 2 remaining BF and she would prefere the bottle.  I am finding that I am very sad today for no reason!!!  I hate hormones

Nee
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Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 08, 2006, 16:05:47 pm
I feel a lot like many of you are.  I was always going to start weaning ds at 6 months but was enjoying it so much that I kept it up much longer.  At 9 months I started to wean slowly, mainly because we are starting to try for our second lo and although I know it can happen without the visual return of your monthly visitor (sorry if TMI, lol) but it does make it easier so the thought is that perhaps with weaning this will return.  Anyways, at the beginning of October, I replaced the PM bf with a bottle and in the middle of the month did the same with the AM bf.  Now he still gets a bf at 7am and 7pm but I can tell my supply is getting lower by the fact (and tell me if I'm wrong on this) that his diaper isn't very heavy in the morning after his full night of sleep or when I change it a while after his morning bf.  I'm thinking that I should start to supplement those feeds with a bottle as well.  He often takes the full 8oz bottle at 1130am and 330pm and I've noticed he isn't as hungry for his solids now despite how active he is (he doesn't stop all day, my spirited little monkey, lol!) and I'm wondering if he is making up for getting less at the morning and bedtime bfs with those big bottles thus filling him up too much before lunch and dinner.  Interestingly, he eats tons at breakfast, the only time he hasn't had a bottle an hour beforehand.  For those of you supplementing your two remaining bfs, how much do you offer?  I am hoping if I do this, he will spread his milk oz out more through the day so he will be hungrier at mealtimes.  Do you think that this is what will happen?
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: CaedensMama on November 08, 2006, 19:59:14 pm
I just offered his milk cup thru-out the day and at meals. We cut back the juice/water quite a bit so he was drinking milk when he was thristy. As I nursed less he did start drinking more but it would take a few days before I noticed it increased. When I weaned completely it took about week and I think his milk intake about doubled. He has stayed good at drinking enough and some days are more and other days less but I don't really worry about it cause I am realizing he is drinking it when he needs it. Hope that helps!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: sofiasmommy on November 14, 2006, 05:57:24 am
Hi All!

Does anyone know where I can find the info on how to wean my little one from bfing to whole milk? She will be one next Wednesday and we wanted to start her on whole milk then....She only nurses 3 times a day right now, and honestly, the only one she REALLY WANTS is in the morning. The other ones she just tolerates. :) So, I believe she will make an easy transition. Just not sure how to start.

TIA!!!
KATI
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Post by: deenz on November 14, 2006, 06:54:14 am
We just started introducing some whole milk in a straw cup after her lunch meal (instead of her bf).  Dd2 was already used to drinking water from a straw cup.  She didn't drink much to begin with, but I just made sure she had other fluids/dairy in her diet.  Now she'll drink the 100ml I give her over one or two meals.  I still bf her morning and night, but I would just do the same for the other feeds if I was wanting to wean her completely.

HTH!
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Post by: Beata on November 14, 2006, 11:58:32 am
Kati - Congrats on making it to  year  ;D

There is a lot of info from some moms on this thread and on these boards so look around if you have not already done so.

In a nut shell, our experience consisted of dropping one feed a week (although I started at 11 months, so you might be able to go faster if you want to) and replacing with milk. At fist dd did not drink much, but I offered her breakfast, lunch dinner and 2 snacks. Now she is 18 mo and I give her both water and milk (she was drinking water before I weaned her) and we have not problems. If you want more detail let me know

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: momof3girls on November 16, 2006, 21:33:06 pm
Kati, one other thing about the whole milk - none of my girls really liked it at all to begin with, and I stupidly gave up with my older two.  They only drink chocolate milk now.  I decided not to make that same mistake with #3, so I just kept giving it to her.  Persistence pays off, because that girl can't get enough milk these days!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: sofiasmommy on November 16, 2006, 21:38:17 pm
Oh good to know! THANK YOU!! She loves cheese and yogurt...if I let her that would be all she would eat all day long! HA! So, I am hoping she likes the milk! We are going to try it next week! Wish us luck!! Sad to be about done with bfing...but looking forward to getting my body back to being mine!! KWIM???

THANKS!!
KATI
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Post by: jennyb133 on November 20, 2006, 15:38:38 pm
Hi Kati!

I introduced the sippy to DS at 6 mos. he was drinking water from it in between BF.  At 9mos. I introduced yogurt & cheese, he did fine with the dairy. We were down to 3 BF a day too. Morn., afternoon, & bedtime. I introduced whole milk just in his cereal at 10 mos. So at 11 mos. I dropped the afternoon BF & gave him whole milk in his sippy & he did fiiine with it.

Now he only has Morn. BF upon waking, & BF at bedtime.  The rest of the day he has water, juice & milk in a sippy cup.

I did go back to work part-time (2 days/week) when he was 4 mos. So, he was used to taking pumped milk in a bottle on days I worked.  At 11 mos. I finally packed away all the bottles since he's doing so well with the cup.   I know he can handle not having to BF at bedtime, b/c he would have to take a bottle/cup on the 2 days I worked. I got home after his bedtime.   So, the bedtime one will be the next one I drop which will be in 2 weeks when he turns 1.

The morning one will be hard, b/c that is his routine & how he starts his day.  The other day, I got up late & was running late for work, so I asked DH to just give him milk in a cup while I was getting ready for work. Well, I was so upset b/c DS started to drink, then saw me & started screaming/crying crawling on me, trying to climb on me to get my milk. He was soooo upset he had to have the milk in a cup from DH & wouldn't sit to drink. DH had to get up & walk him/ hold him while feeding him his milk. I think he was used to the cuddling. It made me sad, so I don't know how it will be when I wean that one.

I'll definately have to post here when that time comes!!!

As for now, the 2 BF a day are going so well, & I'm sure when I drop the bedtime it will be fine too.

I'm hoping to be done by x-mas.  Would be nice to have a few drinks during the holidays, KWIM?
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 20, 2006, 16:20:25 pm
IKWYM.
I have slowly been weaning DS over the past few months b/c we are ttc and I still haven't gotten my period back yet.  I know it can still happen without but it makes it easier to know what's going on inside my body, you know?  Anyways, I just dropped off the last bf, the wake up in the morning one, yesterday and I shed a few tears.  DS didn't seem to care, though, he was just as happy with his bottle!  He looked at me as I hugged him extra tight and sniffled like I had two heads,  :D.  At least there's comfort in knowing he is fine with it!
Now we are on 4 bottles a day, 4-6 oz each so it's time to start cutting back a bit and getting to the sippy.  He has been drinking lots of water out of it since 6 months so hopefully it will go smoothly!
Miranda
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: jennyb133 on November 20, 2006, 18:35:42 pm
Miranda,

We wanted to TTC after the holidays too. I got my period back when DS was 7 mos. & he was having 3 solid meals a day, so he was taking less BF. However, I haven't been regular & don't even know if I'm ovulating yet.  Once I'm done the BF, will be easier to track my cycle.

I think I will prob. shed tears too when we're totally done. I was upset going to work that day knowing I wouldn't BF at all that day  :'(

I'm sure it will be harder on me than him though.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: elsa and jethro's mum on November 20, 2006, 19:45:48 pm

i just wanted to reassure all of you who are struggling to get your heads and hearts around weaning your LOS: My LO is now nearly 15 months (I was always planning to breastfeed for as long as I could) and I think (I can still hardly say it) we may have finished BF about 2 weeks ago. I should mention that I'm 32 weeks PG too!
I had no idea how I was going to do it: I didn't want to, but I didn't want to tandem feed either. I said I'd try and wean her by 34-36 weeks but didn't know how I would! so I just kind of went with the flow, and at about 12-13 months when we were down to one feed (which happened all very naturally: elsa just dropped them herself pretty much) I started offering elsa some milk to drink from a cup at the normal BF point in the evening. I found that sometimes she would ask for BF (she'd never actually asked before this), and sometimes she woulndn't. And it was on again off again for ages: sometimes I would offer because I couldn't bear the thought of never BF her again... but slowly but surely we found a new dynamic, where there were lots of other intimate moments apart from BF, and I think we both gradually got our heads around it. Several times I thought I'd given up, and then she'd ask out of the blue and I'd give it to her, and she'd do something cute like pressing my nose and saying beep while she was feeding and I'd cry and think I can never give up.
But honestly I think not rushing it was great: my milk supply was pretty amazing I have no idea how it lasted! at the end she was feeding every few days, just from one side (I quit on the other side a while before because it was so sore with her teeth) and she'd be swallowing away! And every night I'd wonder if she would ask.
In the end her last BF was when she was ill a couple of weeks ago and she wouldn't eat or drink but I knew she'd take a BF so I gave her one. She really enjoyed it and so did I: because she was poorly she was floppy almost like the old days!
A couple of days later out of the blue she asked for BF right in the middle of the afternoon, totally out of character. I made a split second decision not to give it to her but to offer it at bedtime. she was quite upset and it was hard. but then at bedtime she didn't ask and Ididn't offer, and we've not looked back!
Now if she asked I think I would refuse, it's been nearly 2 weeks since that "last" feed and today she pulled at my top and said "baby" (she usually does that with my tummy) and then was trying to get my boob out: you could tell she knew something was under there but wasn't sure what! I said "no, not baby, milk" and she seemed satisfied with that and ran off to play!
So I just wanted to pay it forward i guess that it was worth just taking it slow, and i never had that big wrench of weaning that I had dreaded. It still makes me sad, but in a kind of "the time had come" way rather than a regretful way!
maybe I should have posted this on the Extended BF thread, if anyone wants to move it then feel free and sorry for posting in wrong place. I just know that when I was starting to think about weaning I couldn't imagine how it would ever not make me cry, and I couldn't imagine how it would n't be awful having to say no etc. but actually there's no one way, we just muddled on and found our own way to do it and I'm really pleased with how it worked out!
sorry for wittering on!
Laura
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: binxyboo on November 20, 2006, 20:02:48 pm
Elsasmum, I really enjoyed hearing your story. Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Samuel's mum on November 20, 2006, 20:27:43 pm
That's a great story and it's in the perfect place - no moving required. Thank you.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 20, 2006, 20:52:33 pm
Thank you for sharing your story.  I think that as long as you are at peace with your decision/weaning and know that you did all that you could for as long as you could whether that time was long or short, that's all that matters!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: First Time Mom on November 22, 2006, 03:09:05 am
Hi ladies! My lo is 12 months and we bf 4x a day, I've never eliminated a feed (always let her decide when to eliminate) and have tried hard in the past to keep the feeds up (she just dropped a feed about a month ago) because she has a milk protein allergy so I can't give her any milk products and I am not keen on giving her soy or alternative formula. Bfing is going well with her feeds being 7am, 11am, 4pm, and 7:30pm, my problem is that I go back to work in 1.5 weeks so I need to eliminate the 11am and 4pm feeds but I'm having a hard time with it! We have a nanny at home who will be taking care of her when I return to work, she started 4 weeks ago (wanted a long transition), I told her I would drop the 4pm feed now and the 11am feed next week. The past few days I have not bf'd her at 4pm, instead the nanny is giving her a snack and trying to distract her from me. DD is fine after some initial fussing but I'm not doing too well with it! I'm feeling quite emotional about it and (secret is out) bfing her the second the nanny leaves at 5pm ;D. I think I can continue to do this until I return to work, then bump it to 6pm (as soon as I get home from work). Problem is with the 11am feed, she loves this feed more than the night feed, how do I eliminate this one cold turkey? I also don't pump (never have, never even bought one). Should I add an hour each day, so first day give it at noon, second day at 1, and so on so that it blends into the evening feed? This way when I go back to work, she'll get 3 feeds (7am, 6pm, and 7:30pm). If you've made it this far, thanks!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Layla on November 22, 2006, 08:24:56 am
Hi ladies, this is my first post in this topic - I have sadly weaned my lo on to a bottle 3 days ago and my milk is drying up completely. From the start I was paranoid of not providing enough and it didn't help that she was always in the 25th%. The 6month check up with the nurse though really got me down when she said that it could be that my lo is not getting enough and I should have started solids earlier (whereas I waited till 6 months). My dh & I looked at the comparison of dd1 to dd2 at 6 months and dd2 is a whole 2 kilos less (I know I should not have compared as every baby is different). Dh insisted that I give her formula as she is clearly not getting enough so I gave her her very 1st bottle 3 days ago. She kind of looked up at me as if to say what is this ??? and kept burying her head into my chest. I still insisted on the bottle (poor girl  :() and then bf her that night (DF) from 1 side and night feed from the other side (as they were very engorged). Our very last bf (i believe unless I am engorged again) was last night.

My initial goal was 6 weeks and then I kept going and going and I always thought that if I could last until 6 months, I would be really happy and proud but I can't seem to feel otherwise. I keep reading about mothers who BF into toddlerhood so I am upset that I fell into the pressure of bottle feeding. I think I'll miss the night feeds the most. Those were the most pleasant feeds for both of us, i think, because all other feeds were so rushed with Isabella running and screaming and distracting her. I think thats why I was never sure if she was getting enough - she was so easily distracted by her sister (and I could never hide in a quiet room to feed), I was never sure if she had her "meal". She seems ok with the formula though - I think its true that they get over it alot faster than us mothers do.

BTW - i was wondering if it would still be ok to BF her at night (2 night feeds) or would my milk pretty much be gone if I drop to 2 feeds???

Layla
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: deenz on November 22, 2006, 08:32:06 am
Sorry haven't got much time to reply, but I would think you would be fine to continue with night feeds only.  I only feed dd2 twice (morning and night) and there's still milk there!  And feeding at night is better at stimulating milk production (can't remember why!).
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Post by: elsa and jethro's mum on November 22, 2006, 14:13:42 pm
I guess it depends on your supply but definitely worth a go: we did twice a day and then once a day and then once every other day for a while and my milk survived!

Could you try BF and then topping her up with formula?
or is that a really unhelfpul suggestion? sorry it's always hard not knowing the whole situation... I guess it's just that you sounded so sad!

L
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Post by: Layla on November 23, 2006, 01:57:36 am
Thats a good suggestion but I think now I'll have to definitely pump extra hard to get back to what my supply was like. I BF her last night though (both night feeds) and I think I'll continue to do that until she starts sleeping straight through (btw, no where near that at the moment with wakings every 3hrs or so  :-\). You are amazing for BF whilst pregnant. I used to pump for Isabella exclusively and did so for 6 months. I wanted to do it longer but noticed that my milk supply decreased (the amount I pumped) at around that time. Well I was actually pregnant by that time and then someone had told me that my milk will be no good for Bella as when one becomes pregnant the consistency changes. So I stopped and went onto formula. This was all before BW so had I known better and was a little less naive then I would have done some research and found out that plenty of women can and do still produce milk and BF when pregnant. Anyways, thats in the past but still.... its really good that you kept going. I am sad that we have cut down to just night feeds but feel much better knowing that at least she will be bf at night. Those were the feeds I enjoyed the most as well.
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Post by: deenz on November 23, 2006, 08:22:53 am
Hi Layla,  I have a bit more time now!  It sounds like you've come to a better place now where you can keep up with the bf'ing at night (as long as that continues!), a little less difficult than weaning completely I imagine.  I think it's the hormone prolactin that is responsible for milk production, and that feeding at night makes more of this (than feeding during the day)...???  Something like that, please don't quote me on that.  So I am sure your milk supply will be fine doing this.

If you wanted to, I am sure you could try as the pp suggested, bf, then top up with formula (during day).  It hasn't been too many days now has it?

However, whatever happens you have done so well getting this far!!  Congratulations!  It isn't easy with an older one running around.  And it's not easy when your lo is on the 'petite' side (as my dd2 is), and people pressure you.  And you did so well pumping exclusively for that length of time with your dd1.  Well done!
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Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 23, 2006, 21:05:06 pm
Layla, you have done great!  I also agree that it should be possible to continue with the night feeds as long as your supply keeps up and that pumping may really help to do that.  You have done great bfing as long as you have, any amount of bm is beneficial!  I just finished weaning about 5 days ago.  I was down to the first thing in the morning and last thing before bed feeds but the before bed feeds were turning crazy as DS was just too wriggly, wild and uninterested.  I kept the am one as long as I could until I started to try topping up with a bottle and realized there was almost nothing left to my supply.  I am very proud of bfing until almost 11 months, though.  Although I'm sad to be done, there have been so positives.  I still get snuggle time with DS everytime I give him a bottle and story times are that much more meaningful because we snuggle then as well.  By weaning very gradually over 2 months, I am not sore at all from dropping that last feed (I did try to drop it a few weeks ago and was very sore and engorged so I restarted it for a few more weeks but this time it went much better).  Finally, it is really nice for DH to be able to feed DS more often, it is a special time for them, too.  AND being able to stay in bed for an extra hour in the morning while DH gets up to do the bottle and play is not too shabby as well!   ;D
Title: Wanting to thank Paggie's Mom for weaning advice.
Post by: threefold_cord on November 26, 2006, 07:52:38 am
Hi,
My lo is 13 mo and is completely finished with bottles and the breast ;D. He really loved to nurse too so I was suprised that it went so easily. I went on the chat room to ask for advice when the site was down. Thanks to Paggie's Mom for great advice!! We followed her advice and then added our own spin on things. First around 12 mo we stopped the morning feed by just offering breakfast as soon as lo woke up. Didn't care for cow/goat milk too much so we didn't bother too much with that-but he likes yogurt. Lo never missed the morning feed  ;D :o. After a week we started to try taking away the night feed which didn't go so well. He cried and didn't want water and we were just fed up and said, "Ok just give him the bottle!" But after a week of that ds decided to take over putting lo to sleep. Everyday we watered down lo's bottle just like how we did to get rid of the dream feed. After 3 days lo was just chewing on the nipple and did not really want the watered down formula. So the next night ds gave lo a sippy cup with water before placing lo in bed. Ds also put the sippy cup in the bed with lo incase he got thirsty at night. This worked really well and lo became more independent and played with his toys in the crip before drifting off to sleep. This was instead of falling asleep on the breast to go to sleep everynight. Now ds and lo have a great time getting ready for bed. :D Hope this can be useful for others also.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 26, 2006, 21:20:17 pm
That's great advice!  DS is almost 11 months and just last week I finished weaning him from bfing to formula in a bottle.  I did this slowly over 2 months.  We have just moved from Nestle Good Start formula to Nestle Transitions formula and will keep that up for the next month and then go to cow's milk in January.  He has taken a sippy cup of water very well since 6 months and drinks a cupful throughout the course of the day between his 3 meals and afternoon snack.  We are still at 4 6oz bottles, though.  Should we just start trying to wean to the cup when we move to cow's milk? 
I am also planning to cut the second bottle of the day first in about 2 weeks and move lunch a bit earlier.  I'm not sure which order to really cut back the bottles.  Suggestions and experiences?
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Post by: threefold_cord on November 27, 2006, 12:33:19 pm
From experience it is a lot easier to cut out the day bottles rather than the feeding before bedtime. When you cut the day bottle you can just offer breakfast or lunch at the time you normally give the bottle, or you can offer a snack to hold lo until lunch. We didn't do the transition formula because the only difference was that the next level had vanilla flavoring and I figured that not doing the transition formula would help me wean lo faster since he was too old for it anyway. It worked :D.
 Since cows milk tastes different than formula I would start the first day offering it in a bottle (something familiar), and then everyday after I would just use the sippy cup. My lo does not drink very much milk, but he eats a lot of yogurt and cheese.
Hope this helps:)

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Post by: BabyBsMommy on November 27, 2006, 16:21:10 pm
Thanks!  I don't think Brenden is too thrilled with the transition formula, actually.  It is really different from the other one, I find it is really frothy, definitely thinner and warms up and foams very fast.  He has definitely not been drinking as much formula since the switch.  He loves yogurt and cheese so it shouldn't be a problem when I switch over to cow's milk.

This is a question to everyone in general - if/when you switched from the original formula to the transition one, did you notice extra gross and more frequent poops at first from your lo?
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Post by: waffler on December 01, 2006, 02:26:28 am
*sniff*

My DD took her last breastfeed on Monday. I was supplementing every BF with FF for a month as she was losing weight and I had a supply prob. I was pumping to try to get it back on track. And it was going well. But on Monday we went on a 5 hour journey by car and she just refused to take the breast because she was so wired and the flow was annoying her. And since then she goes on the boob for a second or two then just wants the bottle.

I'm having a hard time coping as in my mind i wanted to bf for a year at least. And she is only 8 months old. I keep pumping to try to keep supply up (it's dwindling like mad now) and I think I'm going to give up doing that.... it's just time consuming and for what? She's clearly past the breast.

I guess I should be thankful that I did it for as long as I did, and that at least I won't have any problems of her going "booby boooby booooobeeeeee" when she's 5 at the supermarket checkout :D but it was such a special time and I'm going to miss it terribly.

Hmm,.... perhaps it's time for Number 2????? (better get my head checked!)

(PP - her poos are very green  with the formula)
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Post by: Leosmama on December 02, 2006, 18:00:30 pm
Hi there,

I've read through a number of the posts and have found all of the advice on weaning very helpful.  I've been bf'ing my lo for almost 14 months.  Somewhere around his first birthday I began to get those first feelings of being 'done' with bf'ing.  Not that it's been bad, quite the contrary; we've had a great nursing relationship and it's been a very special time.  As for going about weaning, I've really been going more on instinct rather than following a set plan.  First I stopped nursing to sleep, so ds wouldn't still have that habit when I started to wean.  Then I dropped the mid-afternoon feed, which he didn't seem to miss at all.  So I've been doing first thing in the a.m., a mid-morning feed, and bedtime.  Well, today, the mid-morning feed was dropped as I offered him a snack along with some cow's milk (which he's really begun to like). 

I was just sitting here realizing that as of today, it looks like we're down to 2 feeds a day.  And believe it or not, the bedtime one seems to be less and less important to him, as it is not the way he falls asleep anymore.  So now that it's hitting me that we could be close to a total weaning in the next month or so, I'm feeling all emotional  :'(  On the one hand, I feel ready to wean and move forward with the next chapter in our relationship, but of course it's sad because I'll never nurse this particular child ever again.

Anyway, just wanted to get my feelings out there and I may be back whenever he's weaned completely, to come on here and sob.....

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Post by: Samuel's mum on December 02, 2006, 18:19:47 pm
I know it's such mixed feelings. HUGS.
Please be so proud of what you have achieved and the fact your little boy is moving onto the next stage of his life. There will be so many more special experiences the two of you will share in all the years to come.
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Post by: momminluv on December 03, 2006, 03:55:58 am
Well, I think we're done.  It's now been a week since dd#2 has nursed.  She is 22 months old.  I was hoping to wrap up before the end of the year and we made it!!!!!  A month ago or so I decided that we would only be nursing at home.  Otherwise we'd be nursing just about everywhere, including the car, with her legs hanging out my open door.  When the rainy weather started it just wouldn't work anymore nursing her in the car.  The backseat already has 2 carseats and there's no place else to sit but the driver or passenger seat!  I always made sure that I had ample snacks and a beverage for little dd to replace the car nursings. 

2 weeks ago I wasn't doing very well mentally and DH had to watch the girls for about 2 days.  It was the first time he put little dd to bed without her nursing.  Somehow she figured out that nursing was making mommy sad....which is true...it has been lately.  My hormones have been driving me crazy and now that we're done nursing I'm hoping that I can become a little more like my normal self.  I'm glad I made it this far although I had originally only anticipated nursing dd#2 for a year.  But, she loved nursing.  Boob was her favorite thing.  Happily, a warm cup of whole milk seems to have made a nice replacement with lots of hugs and showers of kisses.  I so love holding little dd in my lap now with her head up by my heart rather than my boob.   :)
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Post by: jennyb133 on December 04, 2006, 18:21:45 pm
So, my last post was only 1 page back Nov. 20th.  And I mentioned how my goal was to drop to 1 BF after his b-day (which is today), then be totally done by x-mas.  We'll see how it goes, I'll keep you posted.

I also  mentioned how it would be nice to have some drinks during the holidays (I also have a wedding coming up) & "have my body back" for a few months before trying for my 2nd.  Well, too late!!! I'm pregnant again already!!!! 

Wasn't really expecting to get pregnant again right away, this was the 1st month we weren't "careful".  Guess, I have to start checking out the 2 under 2 board!  They'll be almost 20 mos. apart.

Good luck to everyone else weaning. I'll let you know how things go.
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Post by: deenz on December 05, 2006, 00:57:51 am
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!  And happy birthday to James!  Shame you can't enjoy the drinkies over the festive season, but what a good reason not to be!!  My two are 19.5m apart, and it's really fun!  (Hard work especially in the beginning, but lots of fun too).
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Post by: jennyb133 on December 06, 2006, 14:24:28 pm
Thanks Denise!

DS got a cold for his birthday, he's all stuffed up & coughing. Not too interested in finishing his BF.  I'm giving him lots of clear fluids, diluted juice & water. He might wean sooner than I wanted to b/c of this.  :'(
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Post by: charlottes mommy on January 08, 2007, 05:00:41 am
My daughter Charlotte is almost nine months now and I've only breastfed her. I am ready to go back to work now so I need to wean her from the breast. I have tried giving her a bottle and a cup and she won't drink from either of them. The big problem is that she can't go to sleep unless she's nursing. I have to put her in a daycare but I know she will not sleep during the day and when she is over tired she gets really fussy. What should I do?
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Post by: libg on January 11, 2007, 07:52:19 am
Hi charlottes mommy, I think you might need some help fom the 'naps' forum on how to get her to sleep without using your breast as a prop. Good luck!
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Post by: LyndaManus on January 13, 2007, 02:12:29 am
Hi, this is my first time on this link and I am hoping that you might be able to help me.  My little chunk-a-monk is 9mths (today) and 25 lbs.  Below is our eating schedule
8am Wake and Eat - expressed BM (7ozs)
9am Solids - breakfast (one gerber stage 2 fruit w/ 3tbls cereal)
1pm expressed bm (7ozs)
2pm Solids - lunch (introducing on Monday for first time.  Probably yogurt.  Dr. recommended waiting until now to introduce b/c of weight)
6pm  BF
7pm  Solids - dinner (on gerber stage 2 veggie w/ 3tbls cereal)
8pm Sleep
10pm  DF  (long story on why we are still doing the df - mainly because it enables me to have 1/2 of the bf's as opposed to 3 expressed feedings)

Ok, my question.  I know from reading other posts that the df will probably not work for much longer.  I know that some lo's are down to three feedings at this age.  Do you think I can try to get rid of it without upping daytime ounces?  If not, at what age do you think I can?  If I need to up daytime feedings, what should I up them to (9ounces?)?  (we plan to wean to whole milk starting at 11mths and ending around his b-day)
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Post by: tstasko on January 17, 2007, 02:56:39 am
Lynda -
We dropped to 3 BFs at 10 months (I THINK..) and just substituted a snack in it's place as I had stopped pumping several months earlier and had no intention to start up again..!  I started w/.the BF after the am nap....and we gave a serving of yogurt or cheese.  Worked great.

Good luck!

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Post by: tstasko on January 17, 2007, 03:05:35 am
Well -at 14 months I think we are on our way.  I actually feel good about it (right now anyway...).
We have been down to 2 BFs (AM and PM) for the last month or so and I have been going back and forth on whether to drop the AM feed....she really isn't too into it, but I didn't want to push and frankly didn't know if I was ready for it.
We had a baptism to go to on Sunday, an hour away, and it was at 8:00am so we had to be up and out of the house earlier than usual.  In order to let DD sleep in as long as she could I decided to just take a sippy of whole milk w/us instead of the BF.  I got her up....cuddled, dressed and out the door.  She didn't bat an eye.  That kind of got the ball rolling, she hasn't seemed to notice one bit.  We've just went w/it since.
Although this evening she was unusally cuddly.....it was after dinner and she sat on my lap and hugged me and I rocked her for about 15-20 minutes.....oooooh, it was so sweet.  She may be coming down w/a cold though too.   Still doing the BF before bed - pretty much the same....eating an ok amount, but mostly cuddles and giggles.  This one I hope to hang onto for a little while. 
What do you do when you give up that bedtime feed?  I like sending her to bed after lots of cuddles and special time w/me.  She is WIDE awake when she goes into the crib....crawls around and talks for about 10 minutes before falling asleep.....but I don't want to give up that time if the BF is dropped.  Do you just go w/the cuddles still......?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
So I know we are on the way - but I can't see it being over for several more weeks.  Surprisingly I do feel really good about "our" decision...:)  But I don't know about that last BF....guess I'll see when I get there.
Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to share and get any feedback on how bedtime changes...
Thanks,
Tari
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Post by: First Time Mom on January 17, 2007, 03:17:22 am
Tari, I'm not at that point just yet but thinking about it (Milena is also 14 months old). I'm mentally doing a prep to maybe stop around Feb 14 as it's Valentine's Day and she was conceived on Valentine's Day and she is my greatest love. I'm thinking of substituting the bfing time with a bedtime story in her room. I currently have a routine where we do her bath, cuddles, bfing in my room, then I put her in her room so I'm thinking of giving her a sippy with milk, then teeth brushing and bath, then story and cuddles, then bed. I'm curious to see what other's suggest as I will be down this road soon.
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Post by: tstasko on January 17, 2007, 12:25:53 pm
I'm mentally doing a prep to maybe stop around Feb 14 as it's Valentine's Day and she was conceived on Valentine's Day and she is my greatest love.
:'( OMG that is so sweet... ;D

Our DD was a Valentine's "weekend" conceived baby too...lol... ;D

Thanks for your input.

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Post by: melalyse on January 22, 2007, 01:03:59 am
Hi! Maybe you guys can help me.  DS is 15 months old and I think that I am ready to wean.  I have weaned his daytime BF without a problem.  My problem is that he usually wakes around twice a night.  I usually manage to get him back down once without feeding.  But the second time I usually have to BF to calm him down.  He freaks out if he sees the sippy cup in the middle of the night and he points to the chair that I BF him on.  I also BF him as part of our going to sleep routine which I think will be difficult to give up.  I don't think that the morning one will be such a problem.  I must admit that the night wakings are my biggest reason that I want to wean.  Any advice?  Thanks.
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Post by: Wei on January 24, 2007, 14:20:59 pm
Well, a number of things are going to go on here....

DD is 6.5 months and we are struggling with bf during dreamfeed... my letdown is sooo slow only during this time of the day and she has been waking up crying during the dreamfeed for a couple weeks now... she refuses the bottle for the dreamfeed but is okay any other time of the day.  So, maybe this is a hint she is ready to drop the dreamfeed... we have been on solids for about 4 weeks now and she really doens't seem to take that much for df.  I guess we will try to wean off dreamfeed in a couple weeks when she is better established in solids.

I am going to start switching her to formula one feed per week starting this Saturday or Sunday.  I think I will try the noon hour feed first and see how she takes it.  If that doesn't work, maybe I'll do the morning feed first for formula or stop cold turkey altogether.  I need to get back to work soon and before I do there are a few things I need to do and be away from DD for an extended amount of time so I have to wean her to formula now.  (Pumping isn't feasible)

Anyway, I'm rather worried it will be a rough go but an encouraged by all the success stories so at least that cheers me up!!

Wei
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Post by: tstasko on January 26, 2007, 01:47:09 am
Melalyse - Hi, not an expert but I guess my first question would be whether or not your ds actually falls asleep on the breast for the bedtime feed?  or goes to sleep independantly?  I think that will have a big effect on how to proceed w/weaning the night feeds.  If he falls asleep at the breast for bedtime than I would suggest separating that one from sleep asap (i.e., read a book afterwards, or feed before bath - mix it up in the bedtime routine)  I think that would then be MUCH easier to wean the middle of the night one.  If he DOESN'T fall asleep at the breast for bedtime then I would pehaps post on the main BF board?  They can help w/techniques to work through this (like Walk In/Walk Out, or PD).  I just saw a post asking pretty much this same question that would be helpful....I'll check back and post the link if I can find it. ((((((((((HUGS))))))))))) and great job BF for 15 months!  woo hoo! PS - are the night wakings at the same time?  if so I think W2S would be a great option....

Wei - Is your DD waking as she tries to eat during the BF?  My DD dropped her night feed at exactly 6 months old - went 7-7 no problem (and it was on Mother's Day she started that - what a sweet gift lol).  We didn't do a DF, but she would wake between 3-4 for a feed - once she started waking at 4am for a solid week I decided it was habitual and did W2S and that was that...:)  This was also after being on solids for about 2 weeks. It really sounds like your DD may be ready to drop it.  I would go for it - but you may want to check w/other mama's who dropped the DF as I am really inexperienced in that dept. 
As for switching to formula - your plan sounds great at one feed per week - that's really important so that you don't get engorged/clogged duct, etc.  I would say definitely start w/the noon feed - that is usually the least "emotional" one YK?  I would hesitate stopping cold turkey if you can avoid it.  Also, you may want to consider keeping the morning and bedtime feed even while at work?  And then yoy can decide if you want to drop that all together?  Good luck on Saturday....let us know how it goes!

Well, I believe i have my plan.  We are going to stop at 15 months (ish).  I am feeling very good about this decision.  I will really miss BF'ing DD, but I think it is time to move on.  I am SO extremely excited that we got to go this long.  Really overwhelmed.  I am just nervous that it is going to hit me like a ton of bricks once I completely stop you know?  I'm also a little nervous about the emotional/hormonal side effects.  I've heard that it can be hard to get used to your hormonal adjustment from weaning - although, we have gone soooo slow at this...I really hope it doesn't impact me too much.  I was someone who was knocked on my butt from baby blues - but, I guess we'll just see.  Ahhh, they grow up so fast huh??

I'll report back once we start our journey of our last feeds....I plan on just offering one breast for the last week to decrease supply.  So looks like in the next 2 weeks...although I reserve the right to change my mind... ;) ;D

Tari
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Post by: Wei on January 26, 2007, 13:21:18 pm
Tari - yes, she is waking during the DF so I am actually thinking she doesn't want the DF anymore.  Anyway, I think I might try not feeding her DF next week when I introduce lunch solids so at least she is getting a little more food during the day.. that might be messing up her night time sleep by waking during DF.  Hmmm.... will be back to report how it goes sometime next week hehehe.

By the way, that is amazing you have continued this long BF!!  Good for you!!!!!!!

Wei
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Post by: Wei on January 26, 2007, 17:57:18 pm
Well, okay so I tried to give her formula in a bottle today for lunch instead of tomorrow (I forgot I was going to be out and about tomorrow) and Dh was home.  It was miserable.  She was okay when she took the nipple in her mouth but as soon as she started swallowing and realized it wasn't bm she grimaced in disgust and slapped the darn bottle out of her mouth.  I tried offering the bottle every 10 min but she kept slapping the thing away and started to cry.  Dh tried too with me out of the room but that didn't work.  Then I gave it a break for 30 min and came back but this time she started bawling as soon as she saw the bottle coming towards her LOL!  Ugh... I ended up bf her afterwards to avoid any night wakings tonight. I'll have to try again in a couple days.  She will take bottles but just doesn't like the taste of formula.  I think I will have to cut her solids in the morning on Monday in order for her to be hungry enough to have to eat something.

I hope she will be hungry enough to take it even though it tastes nothing like bm. 

Wei
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Post by: Leosmama on January 30, 2007, 01:12:10 am
Well, it's been a full week now since our last breastfeed (whew! and  :'( at the same time!)  Anyway, I've now got a question concerning the state of my breasts.  They had already returned to their original size before ds was completely weaned, as I weaned VERY gradually.  But, in the past few days they've become kind of lumpy.  Months earlier I had experienced clogged ducts, and this doesn't feel quite like that.  Instead of hard lumps, the tissue in my breasts feels fibrous and lumpy, but soft lumps (if that makes sense).

could this indeed be clogged ducts, or is this a normal thing that happens after weaning?  I've tried warm/hot showers and warm compresses, but they haven't made any difference.  Will this go away on its own?

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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on January 30, 2007, 15:54:53 pm
Wei - have you tried giving bottles of EBM, cut with a bit of formula, to sort of get her used to the taste?  Then you can gradually add more and more formula.  I don't know if it would work, but it was a thought...

Jennifer, I don't remember that my breasts felt that way after weaning, but I was pregnant at the time... You could always see your doctor to check it out...?
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Post by: jennyb133 on February 01, 2007, 14:39:00 pm
Hi! It's been almost 2 mos. since my last post & a little over a month since we stopped BF. Last one was the week before Christmas.  I am happy now that I'm done, but I was very sad when I stopped.  :'( Also, even though it's only been a month, it seems sooo long ago already. DS seems to have turned into a toddler & stopped being a baby in such a short time.  My goal was to BF for a year & I did! So glad I was able to continue BF that long. I got pregnant during the weaning (when we dropped to 2 BF/day).  Here's how I weaned, maybe it will help someone:

1st born: BF every 2hrs. till milk came in.
3mos. old: was on a 3hr. EASY, BF 6x/day (Introduce bottle of pumped milk- I went back to work 2days/wk when he was 4mos. old. Only took pumped milk from bottle on days I worked, rest of week BF)
5mos. old: on a 4hr. EASY, sm. amt. of solid foods 3x/day, BF 4x/day (introduced sippy at 6mos. but only with water, BF milk & bottle of pumped milk still only 2days/week).
9mos. old: Eating more solids, 3 meals/day, dropped to BF 3x/day
11mos. old: Introduce one sippy of whole milk/day, dropped to BF 2x/day (packed away bottles, gave pumped milk on days I worked in sippy too).
12mos. old: week after his first b-day dropped BF to 1x/day (this was the AM one), & gave whole milk in sippy
12.5mos. old: done!   The reason the AM one was the last one I dropped instead of the bedtime one was b/c on days I worked I would BF him in the AM then go to work, pump there, & by the time I got home (I work 12hr. shifts), he would already be asleep in bed. So he was used to taking a bottle of pumped milk at bedtime. I knew he was not really attached to BF at bedtime, since I was not there 2 days/week. But the AM one, I have always done even on work days. It was really hard to drop that b/c he was used to me getting him out of his crib, bringing him to my bed to BF, then we would both get up, get dressed, & have breakfast. When I dropped this one, I couldn't bring him to my bed b/c he would throw the sippy at me & try to grab me to BF. I had to bring him right out to his high chair when he woke, but I would have to give breakfast first. If I gave the sippy of milk first, he would throw it at me & cry. I was crying too  :'(  He eventually got used to it. Now he doesn't even ask for it or try to get it.  Bedtime cuddles we rock in his rocking chair, he enjoys that. And when he's playing in the morn. he'll stop what he's doing occasionally to come over & give me a hug. I love it!

I am glad that he's over it now & totally drinking from sippys, not even bottles. The new baby is due in 6 mos. & I wanted him to be totally over the BF & not look back, so that when the new baby comes he won't be jealous of the BF.

Thanks so much for letting me post my experiences here. I loved breastfeeding, DS & I both enjoyed it & I'm so glad it was a great experience.   Good luck to the rest of you weaning!!  :-*
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Post by: tstasko on February 02, 2007, 00:58:42 am
Jenny - thank you for sharing your BF'ing experience.  It is definitely helpful. What a wonderful experience, and what an excellent job BF'ing for so long!!! 

Jennifer - great job to you too for BF'ing for so long!  How are you doing now?  Did you ever talk to you doc about your breasts?

Big (((((((((HUGS))))))) to both of you - it must be bittersweet... :'( :-*  That is one thing I'm nervous about - although I feel confident w/stopping soon, I am a little worried aobut how it will affect me emotionally.

Wei - how are you doing?  I agree w/Erin - it would be a good idea to cut the formula w/some EBM if you are able...

Well - we are looking at mid/end February- ish for us (how's that for a firm date? lol).  I'm just going to see how we are at that point.  Right now we are just doing the bedtime BF and quite frankly it's so nice.  :)  But she is losing interest in it....So we well see!
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Post by: Leosmama on February 02, 2007, 01:13:49 am
Scarlettsmom - thanks for asking - I stayed in a hot shower yesterday for a while and massaged the places that were lumpy (and getting sore), and after a bit some milk started squirting out!  I believe I got them unclogged as now things feel much more normal.

It's funny...I thought I'd be extremely sad after weaning but it really feels like the time was right.  DS doesn't seem to miss it, and as jennyb said it already seems like a distant memory.  It is amazing how they move so quickly on to the next phase of their lives!
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Post by: Wei on February 02, 2007, 13:16:14 pm
Hi!
Things are going okay now.  She took 8 oz the other day... it took a few days of trying though and I figured out that I neededto put them in smaller bottles so she could hold her own.  She seemed to like that much better.

Wei
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Post by: jennyb133 on February 02, 2007, 14:25:04 pm
Tari- thanks so much! So glad it was helpful!
I forgot to mention at 9mos. is when we introduced yogurt & cheeses, that's when I dropped to BF 3x/day.

Jennifer- I know what you mean. The timing def. was right. At the end, he was definately getting disinterested in the BF (only one he wanted was the AM one), but I think that's b/c it was just part of the routine for so long. So we had to change our AM routine. I think he might of started to self wean at the end also b/c I was pregnant & from what I understand, the milk can taste different with pregnancy hormones. So that prob. helped it along. 

Wei- forgot to mention, when DS was 4mos. old & I went back to work, not only did I have to get him used to a bottle of EBM, I also introduced formula (just in case I couldn't pump enough bottles at work).  He didn't like the taste at first, but keep offering & he eventually took it.   What kind of formula are you using? B/C I think there are some that have a sweeter taste like BM. I used Enfamil Lipil. I think it's most like the BM.  Since he was BF for the 1st year & I was able to pump 2days/wk at work. It was very occasionally that he had formula.  Maybe only 1 bottle of it 1x/week at the most.  Also I was not very comfortable BFing in public so it was convenient that he would take a formula bottle if we were out, but most of the time I timed our outings around his feed. Or if we went to someone's house, I would go in another room to BF.

Tari- When was your LO born? I think ours may be around the same age. DS will be 14 mos. in 2 days.
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Post by: tstasko on February 02, 2007, 16:39:35 pm
Jenny - Scarlett was born 11/13/05 (sounds so long ago now that we are in 07 !  :o )

Yes - looks like our LOs are very close in age.  Such a fun age isn't it?  Now....if only we could hold off those tantrums...lol.

DS doesn't seem to miss it, and as jennyb said it already seems like a distant memory.  It is amazing how they move so quickly on to the next phase of their lives!

I know - I think that's what has got me a little nervous.  I think DD will be fine, ....I just don't know how I will handle it.. :P  Guess this is just one of many steps of letting them grow up huh? :)
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Post by: jennyb133 on February 02, 2007, 19:36:13 pm
Tari- you should join us on the Nov./Dec.'05 Birth Club thread. It's a great group!

Yeah, he does seem more & more like a little boy than my baby. But I'll have another in 6mos. & get my baby fix again!!  It is such a fun age now, though. Amazing everything he's learning & picking up on.
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Post by: tstasko on February 04, 2007, 19:59:54 pm
Thanks Jenny.  I've checked out the thread before - looks like lots of fun.  I just have a hard time finding the time to pop on (and stick w/it!) - but may stop in to visit and chat w/you lovely ladies soon....:)

Yes - you surely will be getting your baby fix soon!  How exciting - congratulations!   ;D 

Marian - are you still on for stopping Valentine's Day? 

Hope everyone who is planning on weaning is doing well, and those that have thank you for your support and sharing your experiences!

Tari
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Post by: First Time Mom on February 05, 2007, 02:12:33 am
Gee, February 14th is just around the corner! I can't imagine stopping so soon, haven't had enough time to prep myself mentally. Guess it's not going to happen unless Milena decides to stop and bfing is going quite well right now with her morning and night feeds so...fat chance! Maybe I'll try for February 14, 2008 ;D.
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Post by: momof3girls on February 05, 2007, 20:43:26 pm
Okay, deep breath...I think I'm ready to stop.  For good :-\

Right now I'm BFing at bedtime and 1st thing in the am (although TBH 1st thing in the am is anywhere from 4:00-6:00 ::)).  She doesn't seem to be too attached to the bedtime feed anymore, and will happily take milk from daddy when I'm not home, but the am feed is still kind of important to me (regardless of her feelings about it) because she usually goes back to bed afterward for a while if I nurse, but she usually won't do it otherwise.  So I'm looking for some advice, or maybe really just some reassurance, since I think I know what I'm planning on anyway.  I think I'll drop the bedtime feed first and then the am one, but it seems like most people do it the other way around (and I did with my other two).  Is there any major reason why you would want to drop the am feed before the bedtime one?

TIA :)
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Post by: tstasko on February 05, 2007, 21:35:31 pm
Hi Allison.  Welcome :)

The reason I dropped the AM feed first is because she wasn't really too into the am one anymore (dropped it at 14 months), and the bedtime one is a little more "special" for us.  It's just our cuddly special time right before bed.  And once we switched from BF/Bath/Book , to Bath/Book/BF at around 6/7 months I've been the only one to put her to bed at night.  So for us (well, I should just say me  ;)) it's more of an emotional thing. 

I think if you are ready to start completely weaning and she doesn't have an issue w/dropping the night feed first, go for it - especially if the am one is the one that helps going back to sleep.  I've heard some will actually transition to a sippy and cuddles if needed for early wakes?   

When are you planning on starting?   

Good luck! 

Tari

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Post by: jennyb133 on February 07, 2007, 15:42:40 pm
Allison-
Read my posts on page 13. I dropped the bedtime one before the AM one. I would work into the evenings & he was fine at bedtime taking milk from a bottle/sippy without me. I would always give him an AM BF before work though & that's the one he was most. attached to, part of our routine. Re-read how I did it. Took a bit, but not long, maybe a week after the change of routine that he got the idea.  No looking back now. I've been done a little over a month.
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Post by: ashti on February 08, 2007, 20:38:46 pm
Well, we are almost done too.  I never really understood the emotions that are involved in nursing and in weaning.  It's been quite the amazing little process.  I started breastfeeding my dd when she was 1 month old.  It took us that long to figure it out.  Until then I pumped and fed her from a bottle.  I am still amazed at that first time, when it all of a sudden worked.  And then it worked the time after that and the time after that too. 
Soon after, we discovered her allergies, and I went on a milk free/ soy free diet.  That was one of the hardest things I had to do.  I didn't realize that I turned to food for comfort, until I needed comfort and had no comfort foods I could eat.  After some testing, more allergies were confirmed and my diet got even more restricted.  My dd's doctors want her weaned because they think I am still eating something that she is bothered by.  I have so many mixed feelings about that.  I wanted to wean her when she turned 1, but didn't have a formula she could drink.  Even the most elemental formulas give her hives.  But, just like in the beginning when by some miracle she started nursing, another miracle happened in that she drinks rice milk, and she doesn't react to it.  It's been a long process of getting her to actually drink it, then another process of making sure she could tolerate it.  Now she drinks 2 bottles of rice milk a day and I  nurse her every morning.  Tomorrow is my last time.  I don't think she'll ask for it again after I offer it tomorrow morning, because she doesn't ask for nursing, she asks for bottles.  It's pretty cute how she goes to the kitchen and points to her bottles.  Cute, but at the same time, it's been rough for me.  I know she's not rejecting me, she's just moving on to another stage of her life.  And soon, we will transition her to a sippy cup, then on to even more new adventures. 
I think the only people who truly understand what is emotionally involved with weaning are those who have been there before.  Thanks for listening to my story.
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Post by: tstasko on February 08, 2007, 21:44:13 pm
Hi Ashti - Big ((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))) to you!  You've done an amazing job BF'ing your LO w/all the obstacles you've had to overcome.  Congratulations.  I'm glad to hear the rice milk is working. 

I think the only people who truly understand what is emotionally involved with weaning are those who have been there before.  Thanks for listening to my story.

That is absolutely true. 

Thank you for sharing your story.  Good luck tomorrow and please come back on here and let us know how it went and how you both are doing.

Tari
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Post by: daisymelan on February 10, 2007, 12:26:23 pm
Ashti, your baby is very lucky to have you as a mom. 

HUGS to you.
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Post by: momminluv on February 12, 2007, 20:48:18 pm
I finished nursing little dd in December when she was 23 months old...a few weeks later I realized that her delicious smell had vanished.  *sigh*  That's the thing about breastfed babies....they smell SO good.  I keep sniffing her hoping that I might find it again, but it's gone.  Now I have to settle for stinky toes and the wet diaper smell.  Oh well....  *sigh*  I think I am suffering a withdrawal.... :( :P
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Post by: momof3girls on February 13, 2007, 17:46:31 pm
I have such mixed feelings about this.  I weaned my older two at 10 months, and it didn't bother me at all.  But I kinda enjoy that little bit of time we spend, just the two of us, each night before bed.  Last night she was more interested in drinking her bottle of water than in nursing.  Well, she tried to do both at once, resulting in both of us getting very wet ::) ;D  But she's still waking in the night :P and I can't decide whether she's more likely to stop that if I wean her, or if I do wi/wo :-\  I've given myself until Friday to make the decision...
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Post by: ashti on February 14, 2007, 03:33:59 am
We are officially done.  I nursed her on Friday morning and on Saturday DH asked her when she woke if she wanted to go find her bottle.  She toddled into the kitchen and pointed to her bottle. 
Today, I sat in our nursing chair while she was playing in her room.  She looked at me, looked at the chair, and looked at me again, then grabbed a book and walked over to me.  We sat in the chair and read the book together, from front to back and back again.  It was the first time she'd ever sat with me and let me read her a story.  It was so sweet.  Everything worked out.   ;D ;D
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Post by: jennyb133 on February 14, 2007, 16:07:55 pm
Ashti- that is so sweet!
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Post by: tstasko on February 15, 2007, 12:57:43 pm
Oh Ashti, how sweet - so glad everything worked out perfectly!

Momminluv - sorry about the withdrawal. (((HUGS))))
I personally am a big fan of little chubby baby toes....:)  What an amazing job you've done BF'ing your DD!  23 months - wow.  You should be so proud! 

Good luck w/your decision Allison. 

Well - the 13th was going to be our final day.  HAHA.  Maybe in a week or so.  She's really cutting down on that last feed....maybe 5 minutes?  But the hugs and kisses are increasing...so if this is he self-weaning I'll take it :) 

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Post by: wolverineMum on March 02, 2007, 16:26:55 pm
I have an 11 month old son and Nurse him as follows:

Morning feed at 7:00 am
Afternoon at 4:00 pm
and nighttime around 8:00

I suppose I want to know if this is normal....I have to cut out the 4:00 as I'm returning to work at the end of April.  I realize these feedings are more about comfort as my supply is significantly reduced, as my DS eats very well and drinks from a sippy cup.

Anyone else out there nurse just a few times a day? It just feels like such a reduction in comparison to the first 6 months.....maybe I'm just in denial of him growing up so fast!

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Post by: scarlettsmom on March 04, 2007, 23:51:57 pm
wolverine mom - first I want to say how insanely cute your lo is!!  omg, the black and white picture...soooo sweet :)

I think it's completely normal.  I was pretty much right where you are at 11months.  Then we went to 2 feeds around a year or so.  It is weird what a change from the newborn days.  And I'm right there w/you w/the denial....I've just realized my little baby is now a little girl...crazy!

Anyway - HTHs a bit.  I'd say you're both right on track.  :)

Tari
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on March 05, 2007, 13:34:24 pm
Yup - it's normal! I know what you mean though - I'm just moving towards a 4hr cycle, and I find I'm nursing her so infrequently compared to before!  I nursed my oldest only twice a day for a few months after I went back to work, and then only at night for a while.  I still feel it was giving her good nutritious milk, even if the supply was lessened.  :)
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Post by: chickchick on March 19, 2007, 08:45:31 am
I have just weaned my little girl (last feed was on her birthday!) and she had already dropped the day feed. So she was just having a morning feed first thing, then a night feed at bedtime (7pm). I stopped the morning feed for a week, then the night feed and i was all finished. I know this isn't what you were asking but just thought i would mention it!

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Post by: Preston's Mom on March 19, 2007, 19:50:52 pm
My LO will be 11 months on Thursday and I plan to BF for a year, however, I want to get some advice on weaning- when should I start and how do I drop the night feedings.  He drinks about (2) 8oz. of EBM at the sitter's each day, however, the amount he drinks seems to be decreasing. I have tried unsuccessfully to cut out nighttime feeding but he either gets a cold or DH insists that he "must be hungry" when he wakes up in the middle of the night and "fights" my husband because he doesn't have the "goods" he's looking for.  I don't honestly believe my LO needs to eat, I think he is used to me giving in to him.  If I go into his room when he wakes up once or twice, he pushes his arms out to prevent me from holding him close until I feed him....please help!
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Post by: chickchick on March 20, 2007, 00:47:31 am
I had this trouble for awhile. So i started to give my LO some water instead. She had a little drink, then pushed it away. So I said, "night night Rosie" and popped her back in to bed. I then left the room, and she protested for about 30 seconds, then went to sleep. She hasn't woken in the night since beacuase she knows she's only going to get water! ;)

My weaning schedule was at 11 months feeding morning, lunchtime, and bedtime (with the occassional 4am feed), then Rosie cut out the lunch one herself, 2 weeks before her birthday. then one week before her birthday i cut out the morning feed, so when she woke up i gave her water (she won't drink cows milk) then breakfast straight away, then on her birthday i gave her her last breastfeed at bed time, and that was it!!
Now at bedtime she has water, and she's very happy!!

Hope this helps, and good luck with the night feeding prestons mum
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Post by: daisymelan on March 20, 2007, 15:15:58 pm
Hugs prestons mom.  And you are right, at that age they don't NEED food at night, it's usually comfort.  Does he go to bed on his own?  I mean, can he self soothe? 

I'm afraid it will likely be some long nights before you get rid of them.  I would perhaps visit a night waking board and use PU/PD for him or walk in/walk out.  HUGS to you. 
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Post by: amacasi1 on March 23, 2007, 09:45:34 am
Hello ladies!  I'm hoping for some advice please from mothers who've been there before!  I've had to wean in a hurry (cold-turkey) due to the need to commence long-term epilepsy medication, I started 36 hours ago.  LO is 11 1/2 months and is doing very well without the breast so far, luckily! I'm not doing so well, I miss the bond between us and on a more prozaic level my breasts are very sore!!!  The doctor recommended I try not to express unless I absolutely had to.  I was feeding 3-4 times in 24 hours prior to starting the medication.  My questions are these: how much discomfort should I put up with before letting off a little steam, as it were - chew your arm off pain, or is it ok to let out a little without draining the balloon?  Do cabbage leaves really work to help dry up the supply?  For how long can I expect my breasts to hurt before they start deflating and softening up?  Will it defeat the purpose if I massage them a little to soften the lumps?

Sorry if this is a bit TMI, but at the moment I feel like someone has stuck a sack of new potatoes in my chest!
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Post by: Samuel's mum on March 23, 2007, 10:37:37 am
HUGS (gentle ones)

Gosh -I'd say pain from engorgement is so personal to each person. However mastitis, blocked ducts and abscesses are universally awful for everyone. You should express a small amount to relieve discomfort. Just 2oz or so. If the baby is obviously not going to drink the milk so a bit of expression is only a problem for hassle factor. Even it means you have to pump a couple of times a day for a week (and gradually pump less and less and for shorter and shorter sessions) that is SO worth it if it means you won't get mastitis. New lumps can mean blocked ducts - I wouldn't mess around frankly. Get massaging and get expressing. You don't have to do a 'full' express just a bit. I understand your doctor doesn't want you to stimulate supply but I doubt he wants to deal with mastitis either - and you are at serious risk of getting mastitis if you don't express. Stopping cold turkey from 3-4 feeds is very very likely to cause you problems if you don't express. Cabbage leaves supposedly help but it's a bit of a dodgy one - I think most of it is probably psychological and the coolness of the leaf.
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Post by: amacasi1 on March 23, 2007, 22:08:44 pm
Many thanks for this!
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Post by: Jodi and her boys on March 24, 2007, 04:07:45 am
Well, I am sad to announce that we are officially weaned, but also feeling very "FREE"!  I thought I would be much more emotional, but surprisingly, I am a bit relieved.  I think it helped that DS was very ready to wean, and that was a benefit with the process.

Here is what we did:

9 mos: At 4 bfs.  Dropped feed #2
11 mos, 1.5 weeks: Dropped feed #3
11 mos, 3 weeks: Dropped feed #4
12 mos, .5 weeks: Dropped feed #1 (morning bf, in bed, my favorite  :'()

Ds would basically get very whiny/ emotional around the time we would bf (at about 11 mos).  I started noticing, too, that he was learning to ask for milk by signing, tugging at my shirt, etc.  After I dropped his afternoon and evening feed, he was soo happy!  It's like he needed it.  Shortly after, he would get annoyed when he would bf in bed.  So, I finally just brought him straight to his high chair.  We have not looked back. 

My breasts are a bit "lumpy" and are still producing a bit of milk (almost two weeks after weaning), but they are not too painful, and I am sure they will subside eventually!

Hope my story helps someone  :) 

And congrats to all those who have successfully breastfed, it's no easy task, but well worth the benefits!
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Post by: Samuel's mum on March 24, 2007, 07:19:51 am
Congratulations Jodi. I hope you feel very proud. ;D
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Post by: Preston's Mom on March 28, 2007, 17:22:45 pm
chickchick and daisymelan thanks so much for the great advice! 

Chickchick....I took your advice and offered water when he woke up and wasn't happy about it, but he took a few sips and "rocked" himself back to sleep!  It took about 2-3 days for him to figure out that I wasn't going to give in although he pushed back, I stuck to my guns!

Daisymelan...he can get to sleep on his own by "rocking" with is head on the mattress and knees tucked under him...he actually does that (rocking) whenever he goes through his sleep cycles throughout the night.  Unfortunately he has started to rock so much that he moves closer to the end of the crib.  There have been a couple times this week were I heard woke up in the middle of the night to him rocking himself back to sleep and his head was hitting the bumper guard so I moved him back to the middle of the bed. I have since elevated the mattress (for congestion reasons also) so he won't hit his head anymore.  He still occassionally wakes up in the middle of the night for water but will go back to sleep.
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Post by: Preston's Mom on March 28, 2007, 17:38:34 pm
Oh, can I get some advice on weaning my 11 month old.  Right now I am only BF in the morning, and before bed.  I pump twice at work so he will have a 8oz. bottle of EBM at the sitter's for the next day.  The sitter has started giving 1 oz of cow's milk this week to see how he tolerates it so once he turns a year we will know that he's ok with cow's milk since he won't get EBM anymore. THanks
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on March 29, 2007, 12:41:17 pm
Basically, gradual is the key.  You can choose whether or not you want to stop pumping and keep the BF for now, or if you want to drop the BF and keep pumping for bottles for a while. Most tend to stop pumping first. :)  If that's your route, just cut down the time you're pumping (an ounce less a day...) until you're no longer pumping at all.  Once you're done pumping, you can try just dropping a BF (you can always pump or hand express a little bit if you feel engorged, but you might not have any problem). HTH!
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Post by: daisymelan on March 29, 2007, 16:27:30 pm
YEAH Prestons Mom.  :)
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Post by: writelydivided on April 01, 2007, 03:11:26 am
Is my (almost) 10 months old self-weaning?

I have been giving 2 BF's a day for almost the last four months (AM and PM), with 2 daytime FFs. Jack seems to be refusing the morning BF for the last few days. I think he still needs the milk, because he'll take a bottle; the pattern seems to be much the same as with the daytime BF's that I switched to FFs at 5 and 6 months. He's just so distracted and interested in everything around him that he'll latch on for ten seconds, whip his head around, latch on for 30 seconds, whip off, look around, and on an on. Okay with a bottle (since that moves with him!), not with my breast. Exhausting.

Shall I hold on hope that it's a short phase, that I'll keep up production, and that he'll still need the AM BF for a few more months? I so wanted to make it to twelve months with the last two BFs. I'm pretty stubborn, but I'm also pretty stressed right now. I think we'll be okay on the before bed BF for some time still.

Oh: pumping is a no-go. I've only got a manual, and it takes way too long. . . .

Too bad logic doesn't work with 10 month olds (don't you know how good this is for you?).  :'(
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Post by: mezzacca41 on April 03, 2007, 12:57:42 pm
Hi!  My dd is 11 months today and I would like to slowly wean her so she will be done about 14 months.  I weaned my ds by 14 mo. also and it seemed so much easier.  I cannot remember how I did it.  I do know that on his first birthday he was only nursing am and pm.  I do not know how I got to that point!  Taylor has a rough schedule that is spaced pretty much the same but goes according to her waking up to eat in early am.  This was yesterdays schedule.

4:30-bf and back to sleep

9-bf

10- solids

1245- BF

2- SOLIDS

5-bf

6-solids

7:30 nurse and bed by 8

Which one do I drop first and what do I do?  give her a snack or solids at a different time to take up place of nursing.  She seems most into the early am feeding.  The 1ish one seems least important.  Which should i drop?  I can't believe I forgot.  I do and don't want to nurse.  But I am happy I went this long.  I was so sad the last time I nursed my ds.  I remember crying the whole week before.  The pm was the last to go!  But I also cried the last time he slept in his crib and I was rocking with him in his glider, last day of 2 1/2 yr preschool, so I am emotional when it comes to these kind of things.  Any help would be appreciated!!!
Danielle

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Post by: ~Kiki on April 06, 2007, 22:02:10 pm
If I am planning to bf until 1 year, is it better to slowly wean before or after the 1 year mark? I don't want to have to use formula, but have heard it is easier to wean before 1 year. I don't have anything against formula, just would like to avoid that step if possible.
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Post by: Jodi and her boys on April 07, 2007, 21:44:04 pm
Jitterbug's Mom:

I posted earlier, but here is what we did:
9 mos: At 4 bfs.  Dropped feed #2
11 mos, 1.5 weeks: Dropped feed #3
11 mos, 3 weeks: Dropped feed #4
12 mos, .5 weeks: Dropped feed #1 (morning bf, in bed, my favorite  )

At 11 months I started supplementing with Whole Milk in a sippy cup during meals.  It was a very easy transition, and Carter never had one drop of formula!

Good luck!
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 10, 2007, 18:38:35 pm
If I am planning to bf until 1 year, is it better to slowly wean before or after the 1 year mark? I don't want to have to use formula, but have heard it is easier to wean before 1 year. I don't have anything against formula, just would like to avoid that step if possible.

There's actually nothing magical that happens at exactly one year - so whether you do it a bit before or a bit after, it won't make that much of a difference - it'll depend more on your baby's temperament!  Many areas recommend waiting until a year old to introduce cow's milk, so that's why prior to a year, most people give formula, but a few weeks here or there is not usually a big deal....  As long as you do it slowly, it should be fine either way!
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Post by: Ryan&HollysMom on April 13, 2007, 19:30:20 pm
hey everybody.
i was all psyched to be posting in the extended breastfeeding thread, but we only made it one day past my lo's first birthday.
it all started about 3 weeks ago now. we'd been down to two feeds a day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. it was working beautifully, though i constantly had doubt that he was getting enough fluids (not anywhere near the 3-4 c of fluids i heard of, more like 3-4 oz total beside the BFs). the BFs then started to become shorter by the day. first the nighttime feed, it seemed as if ryan just wasn't interested, had better things to do. he used to really snuggle up to me, now it was more like "alright, i'll crane my neck to take a few sips, but then i'm outa here".  :'(
i thought, alright, fine, we'll just try to do the one in the morning. i got some advice on BW about using both breasts rather than alternating, but we only lasted a few mornings. it was getting more and more frustrating and i didn't want it to be like that.
i thought i'd give him a bottle one morning (he's never been a big fan of them) and we'll see how he reacts to not getting the breast. i wasn't even wearing a t-shirt, and he just ignored its proximity and took the whole 7 oz of milk that were in the bottle. then we snuggled some more and got up and he hasn't looked back yet (this was 2 days ago).
so, i guess we're done. he hasn't taken the breast in about 48 hours now, and i feel perfectly normal, no engorgement or anything. i guess that shows that i didn't have much to offer him anymore?
anyway, though i'm sad (and i did cry and needed sympathy from dh) that it's over and that lo took one more step towards becoming a toddler, i am happy that he weaned himself. there were no tears or upset on his side, and that makes me happy. it went smoothly and that's what counts.
and yes, i'm patting myself on the back for BFing for a full year!!!!!!!! we had a very rough start, but we ended up enjoying it a lot!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 14, 2007, 11:59:17 am
Yay!  Well done!!!
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Post by: writelydivided on April 17, 2007, 03:50:44 am
Claudia, my experience was much like yours, except my little guy is just ten months. I wanted to make it to at least a year, and further if possible. It's been almost two weeks now with no morning BF, and just two nights now with no BF. I shed my tears, but in a way it's joyful too. I'm happy it was his choice (no tears from him!), and though it's bittersweet, it's fun to see him growing up.

I think I must have had little left for him too, since I've had no engorgement either. I guess that's a "benefit" of the gradual decrease and final refusals.

Honestly, I find myself a bit shocked that just a few days later, I'm feeling a bit relieved, and much more energetic. Perhaps the BFing was taking more out of me than I realized. I'd do it all over again, though, given the chance, and all the struggles (we too had our rocky moments!). 

Hugs!
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Post by: ~Kiki on April 17, 2007, 11:04:10 am
So if I can make it to a year (or very close to), do I replace our breastfeedings with cows milk? Or do I just try to get her to drink it with meals?
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 17, 2007, 15:46:46 pm
Yes, you could replace it with cow's milk.  As for when you give it, that's a personal choice, really.  Many moms continue to give it in the morning with breakfast, as a midmorning, a midafternoon snack (after naps) and before bed.  As long as your child is getting enough milk (or the components of it - calcium, protein, etc.), then when isn't as important!  :)
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Post by: MommyCam on April 20, 2007, 17:30:47 pm
Hi ladies - I am impressed with how long you were all able to breastfeed! I have a medical condition and needed to start my meds after 3 months (would be one year off meds including the pregnancy). Plus I developed mastitis pretty bad...so I am weaning now.

I am very sad! DH doesn't understand at all, and frankly I don't either. This is for the best, but I am super emotional. I feel like I am losing part of my baby. I did have a few weeks of a wonderful breastfeeding experience. I'll just hang on to those memories!
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Post by: Ryan&HollysMom on April 21, 2007, 16:03:17 pm
MommyCam, don't be upset!
you gave you ds a wonderful start in life by BFing as long as you did. having to stop before you're emotionally ready is tough but being on the meds is obviously important to your health and overall well-being. which is important to your ds and dh too. dhs don't understand cause they've never done it. just like they don't understand just how emotional we get during pregnancy and after birth of the baby. they never will.
as for your feelings, i think all weaning moms can relate to that. i certainly feel like i've lost my baby to a toddler. somehow i feel like i'm less important too, it's like ANYONE can now take care of him.
i hope you feel better soon!!
hugs!!
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Post by: MommyCam on April 21, 2007, 16:18:54 pm
Thanks Claudia
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Post by: mezzacca41 on April 21, 2007, 16:56:55 pm
I am getting ready to slowly wean my 11 1/2 mo. old.  She nurses 5 times a day and just started eating three solid meals a day.  I am not sure how to go about weaning her and which one to drop. I was thinking of the lunch time one and just giving lunch at that time.  This is her schedule:
5-bf and back to sleep until 8
9-bf
10-solids
11-12;30/1- NAP
1- BF
2- solids
3:30/4-5 nap
5ish-bf
6- solids
7:30- bf 8- bed
Any help would be appreciated!!!
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Post by: Ryan&HollysMom on April 22, 2007, 14:06:31 pm
any way you can work on that 5am one???  ;)

at 11 1/2 mos our routine was the following:
7:30/8 BF (at 12 mos switched to bottle)
8:30 breakfast (offer drink)
10:30-12 nap
12:15 lunch (offer drink)
2:45 snack (+ a BF until about 11 mos old, the BF was before any food, even now he gets a bottle before snack)
3-4:30 nap
5:30/6 dinner (offer drink) - at 12 mos we added a bottle here to up his fluid intake
7:30 BF and bed

if i were you i'd look at different routines posted all over BW and see if there's one i could adapt to my family. that's what worked for me. i found that simply dropping one feed didn't work very well, i had to slightly adjust a few other things, tweak here and there, and within a day or so it worked.
good luck!
also am curious to see what other people will suggest!
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Post by: JKL on April 23, 2007, 16:32:12 pm
Hi!  I don't know if I really have a question, or I just want to vent to someone that can empathize!  Here's my story:
  DS is 15 months old.  He is nursing 3 times a day (2 long times, and one quick sip mid-day.  He asks very frequently, but I can usually distract him at other times).  I absolutely love breastfeeding, and so does he.  We got off to a really rough start; I had 3 horrible cases of mastitis in the first 6 weeks of his life, and 3 or 4 other mild cases--not to mention tons of plugged ducts (the last one was just a week ago). Also, DS has always had a horrible time sleeping (at the worst--waking up every 20 min!!!)  Even now, he has his bad nights (up 3 hrs the night before last!)  Anyway, when he was about 9 months old, I started having these "episodes" where I'd feel completely exhausted and/or fuzzy headed--it didn't seem to matter if I'd gotten 4 or 9 hrs sleep the night before.  Then, it would go away--only to come back.  This odd cyclical thing has been going on for months (I also have gotten a few low-grade fevers--usually have a sore boob at these times, but no lump that I can feel).  Anyway, I've had tons of blood tests and I think every part of my body has been scanned.  Everything comes out normal.  1 Dr. suggested it might be the BF, but everyone else seems to think this can't be true, since I don't BF that much.  But, everything else has been ruled out, so, sadly, I've started the weaning process.
   The sad thing is that DS asks to nurse all of the time now (like he's sensing that it's coming to an end!!!) and gets very upset if I refuse.  I've been trying to sort of head him off by giving him a sippy of milk before I think he's going to ask to nurse (he likes cows milk--guzzles it right down--and then asks to nurse).  I am so torn--I really want to feel better, but I so want to keep nursing!  AAAHHH!
  Thanks for letting me vent.  See, I don't really have a question!
:)

Jen
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 23, 2007, 19:22:04 pm
Jen - I feel for you!  I hope this is the answer to your difficulties and you start feeling well again soon.  HUGS!
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Post by: Jenifer on April 26, 2007, 01:04:20 am
What does it look like when they're self weaning?

My DD is 13 months old and she's been taking less and less milk at her bedtime feed - and then tonight refused altogether.  At her morning feed she goes on and drinks for about 5 minutes and refuses the other side.

Isn't this a little early to self wean?  It could be teething because I know her teeth have been bothering her .. but I'm worried that in the meantime my supply will diminish and then she'll want it again soon.

On top of this - she hasn't taken to drinking cow's milk and my only saving grace was that she's still BF.  If she weans from BF then she won't be getting nearly as much milk as she's supposed to.

Oh, I'm not ready for this!   :(
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Post by: charity on April 26, 2007, 02:24:39 am
Well, Tonight is the 1st nite Im putting my LO to bed with no nursing. . . I just want to cry for a few hours :'( what am I talking about . . I AM crying. . . what a very special bond and yet we all know it cannot go on forever.  She is almost 12mo and I told myself that her first year of bf would be our goal.  Needless to say, she did wonderful!  She weaned herself from all of her day feedings and so I only would bf at bedtime. . . I am soooo sad.  Anyone have any words to heal a broken mommys heart?
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 26, 2007, 11:31:22 am
Jenifer -it's possible that she's self-weaning, but it may be more likely a nursing strike due to the teeth - have you checked out the FAQ on that?  If you want to maintain her supply, then PUMP!  The FAQ has some good suggestions about to encourage her to nurse again, if possible:
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=89418.0

Charity - all I can send you is {{hugs}} :'(  I know how you feel - I remember it with my first...it's hard to believe that they don't feel as broken-hearted about it as we do...  You have given her an extraordinary gift and I have no doubt that your bonds will continue to be close and to grow in other ways now that she has passed this stage.  There will be lots of snuggles in both your futures.
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Post by: Jenifer on April 27, 2007, 15:52:41 pm
I've done reading on weaning .. and I can't tell if she's weaning or if this is a strike.  I thought I should describe what she's doing so maybe you guys can help me ...

She has been gradually reducing her breastfeeding time (for about a month or so).  However, for the  past week she's refused 3 night feeds (the last two nights plus one night out of a bottle a few days ago when I was out).  She's also giving me a hard time at the morning feed. 

In the morning she'll dilly dally and then go on.  She drinks for about 4 minutes and then tells me she's done (sign language).  She's eager to get up and off my lap at this point.  I try to put her on the other boob and as soon as she sees it she starts getting a wiggly (trying to get down).  If I keep trying to put her on she'll cry.  If I persist she may go on.

At night she's just refusing. Won't even look at it. Not opening her mouth. Sucking her fingers. She will snuggle to my boob but not drink. 

What is she doing?  And, how should I respond?  I don't want to make BF a crying event every time but I'm also not convinced she's weaning. 

I really really hate to pump and I'm afraid I'm losing supply.  On the other hand, if she really is weaning then there's no point to me trying to keep my supply by pumping right?  I am so conflicted ..  ??? 

Please help.  TIA.
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 27, 2007, 17:57:18 pm
Hmmmmm....not sure.... :-\

Do you offer solids first?  Is there a chance that she's just filling up on other stuff?  Are morning and bedtime the only times that you offer?  What sort of fluids is she getting otherwise?  You could try a "nursing holiday" and see if that has any effect...
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Post by: Jenifer on April 27, 2007, 18:16:21 pm
Nursing holiday - never heard of it.  What is that?  Sounds like it involves pumping .. :(

She gets BF first thing in the morning.  She has dinner at 5pm and I offer BF at 7:15pm.  Those are the only times I offer BF.  If we're snuggling and she looks like she's interested I might offer it  - but she has always refused if its not "feed time."  I did go back to work part-time about a month ago .. I don't think that has anything to do with this.  Although I don't really know.

She doesn't really drink much cow's milk .. she drinks about 8 oz a day of water.  That's it (no juice).

Is it normally pretty clear if they're weaning? 
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Post by: Samuel's mum on April 27, 2007, 21:01:21 pm
Jenifer - Erin asked me for my take on your situation. Hope that's OK.
Although 13 months is definitely the young end of the spectrum I think self-weaning is a possibility. If it was teething I would expect her not to be nursing for even those 5 minutes and if she was stopping I would expect it to be clear it's due to discomfort whereas she's calmly indicating with sign language and getting down. She doesn't sound distressed or in pain. It sounds as though this reduction has happened reasonably gradually over a month (and she's only been having 2 feeds for a while?). It sounds as though she's pretty actively resisting some of your efforts. It sounds as though when you are offering skin-to-skin she's choosing just to snuggle instead of nurse. I think all you can do is continue to offer gently but I think at the end of the day she knows what she wants. Do you use any pain meds for the teething? You could perhaps try meds just before bedtime.
However if you'd said she was 2yr+ I'd say it was self-weaning for sure. I think it does fit a pattern of self-weaning but just that she's young.
It doesn't sound as though you enjoy pumping much but you may find she will drink ebm from a cup until you've got your head round what you might give her as a breastmilk substitute. Sorry if this isn't what you want to hear - I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Charity - enormous hugs. I hope you feel incredibly proud of what you have given her.
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Post by: Jenifer on April 28, 2007, 03:55:02 am
Thank you for your response.

In answer to your questions: she went down to 2 feeds a month ago and I tried some Tylenol last night 30 minutes before bed and she still refused.  I was out a few nights ago and my mother tried giving her EBM in a bottle as well and she flatly refused that too.  That was the first feed she outright refused. 

She hasn't taken to cow's milk either - I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

I was really hoping to BF much longer than this ..  :(
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Post by: Samuel's mum on April 28, 2007, 07:05:18 am
I'm so sorry.

I think you shouldn't completely give up hope. But I also think its important not to keep trying too much when she declines as she may come to have a negative association if she's worried about being pressured. Continue having skin to skin time and you could offer gently but let it go. But as you said your supply may not hang around without some stimulation.
It's not uncommon for nurslings not to take to cow's milk - it's a lot less tasty. She may take a fruit milkshake or a dairy based smoothie.

As Erin asked - what's her solids intake like? Does she like yoghurt and cheese?
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Post by: Jenifer on April 28, 2007, 11:04:36 am
She eats solids well.  She has a big breakfast (ie: cereal, fruit & yogourt), a decent lunch (ie: cheese cubes, fruit / veg, crackers, lunch meat), snack at 2pm (ie: cottage cheese or a cereal bar) and is less hungry at dinner (ie: pasta w/ veg & meat, fruit).  Do you think she's eating too much food?  She drinks about 8 oz a day of water (nothing else really).

Does it make sense why she would refuse a bottle of EBM though? 

I'll continue to offer the breast and hope that this is a temporary thing.

Thank you so much for your help.
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Post by: Jenifer on April 28, 2007, 11:45:30 am
She has refused her morning feed this morning.  :(   
It doesn't make sense .. she hasn't eaten in 15 hours .. she should be hungry  ???

I was not prepared for this - I am just so sad and disappointed.  I can't help thinking this is because of something I did (went back to work or tried to get her to drink cows milk and she developed a negative association for milk ??).  I think about those health benefits for BF your toddler and think I'm going to feel guilty if she ever has allergies or a serious illness because I couldn't breastfeed her longer.  I know that sounds stupid but that's what I'm feeling right now.  :(

I'm going to still offer to BF in the days ahead and see if she wants it.  How long before I really dry up?  What if she decides in a week that she wants it again .. will it still be there?  I've read of women still having milk (even months later), but does that mean they could BF?
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Post by: Samuel's mum on April 28, 2007, 14:34:50 pm
Although some women do find themselves producing small amounts of milk after a long gap - I think the reality for most is that it only takes a few days (and sometimes even less) for supply to be diminished to the point of not being able to sustain a feed. It really is all about supply and demand. If that sounds too awful to risk and you hate pumping you could practise a bit of hand expression - some people find this much easier. If she ever does show interest in the future you could work on relactating with some focused pumping over a few days.

I really really doubt any of this is because of anything you did. Even if you tied her down and syringed cow's milk into her that would have had a sudden nursing strike effect rather than the gradual reduction over a month you've described. The reality is that she won't link drinking cow's milk with breastfeeding - there actually isn't that much in common about the 2 experiences and they don't taste the same.

She is 13 months - you've given her an enormous amount to protection and benefits. I don't think stopping now will put her at risk. You are in the minority to get to 13 months - a very small minority. You should rejoice in your success. And when you look back hopefully you will do so with pride.

If she doesn't want to drink ebm you could consider using it in cooking or in making a smoothie or milkshake. This might be partly about her asserting independence e.g in refusing the bottle of ebm when offered. You could try leaving a bottle in her reach (it's good at room temp for at least 4 hours) and she may choose to pick it up herself.
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Post by: Jenifer on April 28, 2007, 14:52:10 pm
Could she be refusing to BF as an assertion of independence too? 
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Post by: Samuel's mum on April 28, 2007, 15:34:10 pm
You could say that's what ALL self-weaning is. A toddler/preschooler saying, 'mummy, I'm growing up. I don't need this any more. This stage is finishing'.
And it's an incredibly positive and necessary thing (though I'm not saying you are not allowed to have mixed feelings about it - especially at her age :-\).

If that desire for independence and separation didn't occur noone would ever self-wean. Why would they? It's tasty stuff.
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Post by: MommyCam on April 28, 2007, 17:58:58 pm
I haven't pumped in about a week, and my breast still seem to have milk in them. Occasionally I will express for a little relief (esp. in the shower) But they don't hurt anymore or feel really full or too hard.

How long does it take them to "dry up"?

~Colby
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 28, 2007, 22:23:16 pm
Drying up really varies - it seems to take longer when you wean younger, I've noticed, but some women still have some milk months later.

Jen - PLEASE don't feel guilty!  It's great that she's wanting to assert her independence, but irritating that she's chosing this area to do it... :-\  You can just offer and see what happens.  If you have EBM, you could also try it with a straw (some kids find this more fun than a regular cup), if she's able to use one.  As for her getting sick - I bf for 18 months and my dd1 still got plenty of colds when she started daycare, so BM might help, but it won't protect against everything!  Unfortunately, there may be no miracle answer - you'll have to wait and see things play out.  Hugs!  :(
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Post by: Jenifer on April 29, 2007, 23:37:13 pm
One last thought - do you think I should try a "sleepy" feed (ie: go in after she's fallen asleep and try to get her to latch on)?  I just can't help but think that she's not really weaning and that this may be teething (or something else). 

She has flat out refused for 2 whole days now.  Tonight when I offered I expressed a little for her and she wiped it with her finger and put it in her mouth.   ???
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Post by: Samuel's mum on April 30, 2007, 07:39:23 am
A Sleepy feed is often used as a way to try and work through a nursing strike as the FAQ mentions. So it's certainly worth a try.
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Post by: Jenifer on April 30, 2007, 10:56:52 am
I thought that was a suggestion for a younger baby .. I didn't know how it would work with a toddler.
Anyhow, I tried last night after she was asleep and I couldn't get her to BF.  I couldn't even get her to open her mouth ..
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on April 30, 2007, 11:44:40 am
It depends on the stage of sleep, just like for a newborn...you could always try at a different time... :-\
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Post by: Jenifer on May 01, 2007, 00:51:22 am
Well, tonight I tried some Motrin and Oragel to ease some teething pain .. and still nothing.  I asked her why she doesn't want any of Mommy's milk and she did the "all done" sign with her hands.  That was pretty clear to me.   

So although I will continue to offer, I think we're done. 

I was so glad when I finally considered myself worthy to post in the extended nursing thread .. and now its over.  :'( 

Thank you Emma and Erin for all your help.
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Post by: Samuel's mum on May 01, 2007, 07:26:31 am
Big Hugs. I hope it gets easier with time and you can look back with happiness. You've still had a really great stint - even though it was shorter than you'd hoped.
She sounds as bright as a button that's for sure! :)
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on May 01, 2007, 11:26:14 am
What a clever little girl!  At least she knows what she wants, I suppose... Hugs to you!
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Post by: connismum on May 04, 2007, 21:27:29 pm
HI, I have just read the last 2 pages of posts looking for some advice and have almost the exact same situation as Jennifer, this morning my dd decided to have a good old bite on me and as you would i reacted by pulling away then i offered it again and she done the same this went on for a few Min's until she she got a little upset almost shying away as if she new she done some thing she shouldn't and tonight she got upset as soon as she seen she was going to be fed and got a lot upset and refused point blank, i only worry that she wont be getting enough milk as she has self weaned all of her day feeds now if any one has any advice for me it would be greatly appreciated thanks simone
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Post by: Samuel's mum on May 05, 2007, 06:29:46 am
Connismum - tell us a little about your history. How gradually have she been dropping the daytime feeds? At what age were you still doing 3 feeds etc? What feeds were remaining and when were they? Did you always offer a feed or does she have any capacity to ask?
How often does she have a bottle if she does at all? How well does she eat solids and where are her solid meals in relation to her milk feeds?
Could she be teething or showing any signs of an ear infection (slightly raised temp?)?

A biting incident and a mother's natural reaction is a very common reason for the beginning of a nursing strike. Have a look at our FAQ for some tips:

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=89418.0

Was her bite the first sign there was a problem for this feed or has she been less enthusiastic before now?
 Jenifer's situation has been preceded by a month of gradual self-weaning and a child with very clear communication skills declining a feed so it's bit easier to say it's self-weaning. Her child is very very young to self -wean and the younger the child, the less likely self-weaning is.

Sorry to bombard you with questions but it helps.
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Post by: connismum on May 05, 2007, 21:16:48 pm
Hi thanks, conni has been self weaning from the start at around 6months she dropped her lunch time feed after introduction of solids and over a few months done so with all her day feeds she has never been keen on taking a bottle so i never pushed it, as for solids she is a very good eater, so the only feeds left are first thing in the morning and last thing at night my worry is that she is very young to stop milk all togeather, she not taking to cow's milk and I'm not keen to start on formula it feels like it would be a step back almost if i did you know. as for communication she can be hit and miss she can tel me she wants a drink or a banana (nana) she becoming very good with words i have never had the option to take her to baby signing in my area i would have liked to. My gut reaction is that the reaction to biting me has caused a strike but it is nice to get an opinion from people who are a little more experienced than me. Thank you so much for your intrest hope i made it a little clearer for you to understand the situation
                                     Kind Regards Simone
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Post by: Samuel's mum on May 06, 2007, 06:52:55 am
If she was previously having morning and evening feeds and the biting incident preceded a sudden change then that sounds like a strike rather than self-weaning. If it was self-weaning you'd have seen a gradual reduction in her enthusiasm for the 2 feeds - feeds getting shorter and shorter, sometimes her barely swallowing but just playing at the breast. On occasion her not wanting a feed at all. Self-weaning is crucially a gradual process.
The term 'self-weaning' is a specific one that applies to nurslings 12 months (usually older than 18 months) and over where the nursling is very much in control and instigating a gradual reduction and the consumption of solids is mature and developed. The mother is following the child's lead. With younger babies what is sometimes termed 'self-weaning' is either bottle preference caused by flow issues or as you experienced a response to an increase/introduction in solids (but of course if you'd removed the solids her appetite for milk would have returned.) I'm just clearing that up because if you talked to others about 'self-weaning' from 6 months it might cause some confusion.

If you read the link I gave you last there are a variety of tips on how to deal with a strike. Which I agree it probably is. She would be too young to not have any milk at all - something would need to be introduced if the strike doesn't end even if you use cow's milk (recommended as a drink from 12 months) in a fruit smoothie or work hard on incorporating extra cheese and milk. You could also pump ebm and give it to her in a cup. If she hasn't been taking the breast you will need to pump or use hand expression as your supply will quickly decrease. This could happen in a matter of days. You could even see a reduction in less than 24 hours.

Good Luck.
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Post by: Shellha on May 06, 2007, 14:56:54 pm
My DS will be 1 a week from today and I am very proud of the both of us for getting to this stage with breastfeeding, however for a number of reasons it is time for us to stop. From day 1 BF has been a dream, I am definitely one of the lucky one's without nipple soreness or any other issues.

DS will not take a bottle, and at this stage I would prefer him to go straight to a cup. We can get him to take a small amount of water from a cup but not much milk/formula from a cup.

Today for the first time DH took DS downstairs without seeing me and offered him a sippy cup of formula (he wouldn;t take it) and then a bottle (wouldn;t take it and kept saying 'Mum, Mum, Mummmmmm') Dh brought him to be after he had had breakfast and he wanted to nurse, so we did.

I tried to give him a sippy of cow's milk (which he doesn't mind the taste of) for his 2nd feed and he didn't want it. He was crying and crying, pulling at my shirt. When he stopped nursing I had teeth indentations (he has 7) on both nipples!

I guess what I am asking is, am I best to keep trying the sippy cup first, and if he refuses give him a BF? Or does this just teach him that if he says no to the cup he will get boob anyway. I am also concerned about forming negative associations with the sippy cup as we have only just started to get the hang of it.

He will be without me for 24 hrs in 2 weeks so I need a way of dealing with this for the ILs who will be minding him. I guess they can just fill him with yoghurt and give him cereal twice a day for dairy intake????

Like us all on this thread wanting advice, this is starting to consume me. I almost wish I had introduced a bottle of formula earlier on (he did have one for DF but as he was asleep he wouldn't take it when awake).

TIA for any suggestions
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Post by: lisi's mum on May 06, 2007, 15:37:18 pm
It sounds like he sure wants those boobies!  ;D I'd say if you're wanting to wean and introduce the sippy you're going to have to be consistent, meaning if you offer the sippy you offer the sippy and that's that. You could try seperating the bfs and the times you give a sippy, say the second feed of the day is not going to come out of you. If he doesn't take the sippy or bottle give him an extra dose of yougurt or so at the next meal time. If you're still on 4 feeds a day he'll probably make up his milk intake at the next bf if things didn't go to plan with the sippy cup.

As far as 24 hours with the inlaws goes, it's great to prepare him (and yourself) as much as you can. You'll probably find he's much more adaptable for them than for you - he'll gather that it's this or nothing and play along.

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Post by: connismum on May 06, 2007, 20:51:56 pm
Thank you samuel'smum for all your help. I am pleased to report that the strike is over it is such a relief i don't think I'm ready to stop nursing yet, eventhough i had thought i would be it is such a lovely experience.
                                  Thank you for all your advice
                                      Kind Regards Simone
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Post by: Shellha on May 06, 2007, 21:08:42 pm
Katie - thanks for your reply! We are down to 3 feeds a day, usually around 7am/2.30pm/6.30pm. I was just saying to DH that we might drop the midday feed to begin with and see how we go. Tried doing it today and it was like he heard what we were saying - for the first time ever he came and pulled at my shirt and cried after I gave him the sippy cup. I am such a strong person usually - just not with my boy!!! :-)

I really hope that he is OK with the ILs, he will just have to be. I tried to get MIL to help with getting him on to a bottle, but I warned her it would be a struggle and she said she wasn't willing to do it. I think she thinks DS will look on her badly if she has to 'force' him to do something!!! Great help seeing I live O/S with no family or friends around to help otherwise!!!!!

Has anyone else dropped the midday feed this way and then had luck dropping the other 2 feeds shortly after?

Also, which feed usually goes first, the morning or night one?

TIA
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Post by: lisi's mum on May 07, 2007, 06:32:10 am
It's a terrible worry, I know having to leave your LO with somebody knowing they may have problems getting him to take a bottle. All you can do is reassure yourself that he won't purposefully do himself any harm. You can tell your MIL that if she REALLY has no luck from a bottle she could try a plastic beaker (not sippy, a normal cup), hold it to his lips and let him sip, or drink from a spoon. They're both a bit messy, but work suprizingly well. He won't be mad at your MIL (well, no longer than 5 minutes  ;)).

I dropped the evening feed before the morning one - she would wake at 5.30 and it was my way of knocking her out again and getting a bit more sleep  :-\  ;D
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Post by: saree's mom on May 08, 2007, 17:31:55 pm
Dont know if im on the right thread but I am having alot of trouble getting my 11 mo old to drink cows milk, she just refuses. After 1 sip and realizing what it is she wont take another sip.

I was told not to add chocolate which i agree is not a solution, however i really really am ready to stop BFing, what do i do????????
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Post by: Mommy to Paige on May 11, 2007, 04:41:06 am
Hey girls...
I am having the same concerns and issues.. she will take the sippy cup but she doesn't drink enough to make u p for more than one feed.. so we are doing alot of yogurt and cheese.. but i am feeling bad.
Shell-- we stopped the mid day feed and she didn't seem to mind it.. after a day or two it was easy we did this for about a week or two and then i stopped the morning feed 3 days ago and she seems to be ok. we just do yogurt and cereal first thing in the morning. now i am not sure what to do.. she is also teething and grumpy i think because of her teeth and clingy but then maybe it is the weaning. I don't know..
then how when do i start the night one and how do i do that one.. she sleep through the night right now and what is the night feed missing for her going tobe like..
it is working so far but i am worried that she is not getting enough milk... but i guess that  i will have to ask my DR again..
last time he said that if she will take the milk great.. and just give her lots of solids all day and that is what we are doing..
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on May 11, 2007, 12:00:45 pm
Do your lo's take any fluid out of either a bottle or a sippy?  Have you tried different types of sippy cups?  What about toddler formula or EBM?  Some moms start with mixing EBM and cow's milk until they get used to the taste. You could also try soy milk or rice milk, if you want, but you'd have to supplement with Vitamin D...
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Post by: Shellha on May 11, 2007, 16:01:02 pm
Erin - thanks for your questions/concern.

My DS takes very little liquid out of a sippy cup. We have been trying to get him on to it for at least 4 months now (solidly) and he has only just got the hang of it. We went thru loads of different sippy cups/straw cups etc and we are back with the one we started on! If he is in the mood (which is rare) he will take it from me and take a few sips but that is it.

I have tried formula, water, cow's milk and diluted baby juice - the only thing he has been remotely interested in is the juice, but I don;t really want to go down that route. He does take a bit of water too occasionally.

He will NOT take a bottle!!!!! If only ....

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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on May 11, 2007, 18:26:05 pm
Well....there is a fair bit of liquid in food if you work on it....I let my lo basically snack on liquids whenever she'd be willing when I was concerned about her fluid intake.  Things got much better for her once she started daycare - peer pressure I guess!
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Post by: saree's mom on May 15, 2007, 14:14:01 pm
Anyone having any luck dropping morning and nite feeds? Those are the last 2 we have. And im so scared to drop them. I feel like she doesnt take enuf liquids at all :-\
My dr said just drop it, try to give liquidy foods  ??? like yogurt, fruit, soup... and eventually she will drink more. She is great with dairy products but wont touch cows milk...
Does anyone think thats a good idea to just stop the BFing and assume they will just drink more after a few days???
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Post by: lisi's mum on May 15, 2007, 15:20:56 pm
What about trying to drop just one of those feeds or is it important to you to get rid of both?
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Post by: saree's mom on May 15, 2007, 19:55:10 pm
No i can do one, Im just nervous about her liquid intake. Its not that much as it is. My dr doesnt seem nervous but I am. ::)
Especially with the summer here. She doesnt guzzle her sippy cup, she sips.(actually guzzled once, and i was stunned) If she drinks a full 6 oz. water thats good. And doesnt BF too long either.
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Post by: lisi's mum on May 16, 2007, 06:18:13 am
I just make sure there's a sippy of water around all the time as my dd only sips too. Every time I notice it I ask if she wants some, sometimes she drinks, sometimes she says no. You have to rely on the fact that if she has access to fluids she'll drink if she's thirsty.

You know the old saying about leading a horse to water...

I also try to make water "fun" Saree's maybe still a little too young, but you can still try and work towards letting her drink from a normal cup. Mine cracked this (holding the cup herself) by about 14 mo and drinks alot more that way. Or from a mineral water bottle with a sports lid, or even just a straw in the bottle. Turns things into a game.
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Post by: saree's mom on May 21, 2007, 13:37:25 pm
thats a good idea, thank you!!
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Post by: Jenifer on May 23, 2007, 14:54:33 pm
Well, a month ago my DD weaned herself from BF and I was not prepared.  I thought she was teething and would maybe come back to it .. so I rented a hospital grade pump and started taking Fenugreek and Blessed Thistle to keep my supply up. 

Well, like I said, its been a month and she's not coming back. :(  When I offer her the breast (on the weekends) she turns away and tries to get off my lap, snuggles to it or tells me "all done" with sign language.  She put her mouth on this weekend .. and as quick as she was on she was off again. 

Even though I've been pumping (morning and night), I only produce about 2 oz a day (never really did produce for the pump).  I'm putting that in her bedtime cereal.

Question: is it worth it (health benefit wise) for her to continue to receive as little as 2 oz a day for me to keep pumping? 

What would you do?
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Post by: Jodi and her boys on May 25, 2007, 20:14:49 pm
Jenifer, personally, I would just quit.  The 2 oz may benefit her, but the stress and hassle of having to pump and store doesn't sound worth it for me.  If you feel better doing it, go ahead, but I think your lo pretty much made the decision for you.  Are you offering her whole milk?
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Post by: Mamalou on June 12, 2007, 12:40:45 pm
hi. We're down to one feed--just before bedtime and he keeps falling asleep on my boob! I've been advised to bring the feed earlier --before bath-- but I'm also thikning of weaning completely. 
We're flying to the States in a month and I think it'd be nice to not have to worry about or want to use bfeeding to soothe him on the plane--I know it could very well be useful there, but I'd rather not.
So, do I just offer milk with dinner in a sippy (that's what I've done with breakfast and snack times-).  Dinner is usually one hour before bedtime.  Or should I give him a sippy after bath as we read books, or have 'quiet time' before bed?

thanks for helping
Kristi
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on June 12, 2007, 14:30:34 pm
Any of those options would be fine.  I'd try what seems best for all of you and if it doesn't work well, you have other possibilities.  Keep in mind that later on, or even really now, you won't want cow's milk in his mouth right before bed - better to have it before he brushes his teeth.

And congrats on getting past the year mark!  :)
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Post by: Mamalou on June 12, 2007, 20:20:53 pm
Thanks.
I tried tonight to do dinner then bfeed then bath and bed and he fell asleep still bfing, but woke (he usually does before I put him in bed) when I got up and he was NOT happy.. he was fine for bath but was hard to put down for bed-it took me an hour! I had to pat him to sleep so I feel like I've just traded one prop for another.  Anyhow, definitely want to try the weaning as-- sorry for the tmi--but he left bite marks on my boobs tonight!!  :oHe was really clamped on!!   ;D 
It's quite hard to brush his teeth-- he used to like to chew on it-he'd let us, then he went through a phase of NO not at all-- and now he doesn't like it at first, but if I lay him down and try I can usually brush while he giggles :) I guess it tickles him. 
Tonight I felt guilty because when he couldn't sleep I offered him a sippy of milk (cow's) and he drank a little and we never re-brushed his teeth :( oh well--next time

thanks again
Kristi
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on June 13, 2007, 12:35:26 pm
Tonight I felt guilty because when he couldn't sleep I offered him a sippy of milk (cow's) and he drank a little and we never re-brushed his teeth :( oh well--next time

I think it'll be okay!  ;)
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Post by: Mamalou on June 13, 2007, 20:51:27 pm
so after all this thinking today I just decided what the heck, and went with it.. I gave him a sippy just before bath, then sat in the rocker with books and the sippy afterwards, (and then brushed :) ) and bed. He didn't seem to be bothered at all. I was going to set a date, think about it, blah, blah, but so glad I just went and did it ..as I didn't have time to get all nostalgic or sad or anything, kwim?

Kristi
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on June 14, 2007, 12:14:31 pm
Great to hear!! :)
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Post by: duyguz on June 27, 2007, 08:48:15 am
Hi,
I'm posting this km.s away from you... I have been reading all the posts for a long time but never wrote. Sorry for my language issues :(( I need your help about dropping a feed. I have 17 m old dd. and we are down to two feeds, before bedtime ( sleeps while feeding ) and at 5 a.m actually this 5 am feed should be mentioned as a 5-7:30 am dreamfeed :((
Anyway, I just want to drop the bedtime feed and I don't know how to since she reacts like crazy. She cries cries until she gets the boob in her mouth. I can take help from my husband but he keeps saying "I can't keep her in my arms,she's fighting with me to reach you" Do you think it would be traumatic for her to be rocked ( the only way for her to go to sleep is rocking while bfing ) by my mom whom she loves so much..
I think if my mom tries for 3 days it will be OK then ...

What do you think? And sorry if I couldn't be clear enough.
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on June 27, 2007, 12:18:07 pm
Hi and welcome!  THe nursing to sleep association can be really hard to break. I'd be inclined to try the option with your mom and see how it goes.  If that works, then you might be able to gradually wean her off the rocking too.  There are other ways to wean this feed (and the 5am one!) too...here's a link about the Gentle Removal PLan:
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=52857.0
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Post by: duyguz on June 28, 2007, 08:32:49 am
Thank you very much. This link has all the answers I need. Really helpful

Duygu   :-*
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Post by: candi on July 11, 2007, 22:55:59 pm
I could use some weaning help.  I have a 10 month old and I want to discontinue breast feeding him when he is a year.  He feeds 5 times a day at 6am,10,2,6 & 9.  I am surprised he hasnt already dropped his first feed.  I think I could easily give him a sippy cup of milk but he is obcessed with touching my breasts.  I thought it might be easier to change his feedings to 8,12,4,8 before I wean him to cows milk.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  Thanks so much!
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Post by: Mamalou on July 12, 2007, 17:21:32 pm
when I started to wean Kubko at 1 year, I gave him sippy of milks (he was already used to sippys of water anyway) in his highchair when he'd wake (after naps) with a small snack... for the 2 day feeds and kept the other two bfs (when he woke and bedtime) then when I went back to work at 13months, I dropped the am feed (I had to- to have enough time in a.m.) I just gave him a sippy of milk with breakfast- and had breakfast right after he woke (no snuggle time in bed first thing, but now we're able to do that sometimes :) and then a few weeks later I decided to drop the bedtime one, and just gave him milk with dinner, and then with stories before bed. (all in sippys)
hth
Kristi
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Post by: orsue on August 24, 2007, 02:50:48 am
I don't know if this should be its own topic, but...
My DS is 10 months old.  He a completely breastmilk-only baby.  He nurses and get expressed milk in bottles.  He's been on solids since about 5 1/2 months and has gradually increased to all sorts of jar food and lots of table tidbits 3x/day, even with no teeth!  For at least a month or two (maybe more), he's gradually decreased the amount of nursing and even bottle that he will take. He nurses/bottle 4x/day: wake up (7AM), lunch (11:30AM-12PM), dinner (4:30-5PM), and bedtime (7:30PM).  The first feeding is almost always nursing, which he does for awhile and seems to get a lot.  The 2nd has been nursing, but is a bottle when I work.  The third is a bottle when I am gone and me when I'm home.  And the 4th is always a bottle.

The two middle feeds decreased first (the nursing sessions got really short, and the bottles went from 6 oz. to maybe 3 oz.).  Now that we do the bottle before bath instead of falling asleep withit, he will only take 2-3 oz.  It seems like he's weaning himself, which is great except that he doesn't drink from a cup that well (despite the 3 different ones we've tried and rotated for about 3-4 months). So, it doesn't seem like he will get much milk without some nursing/bottles.  Do I just continue as I am?  Is he too young to go to a cup only?  How should I proceed?  Thanks!
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on August 24, 2007, 23:28:01 pm
You could certainly try going to cup only - I think it really depends, though, on what you'd like to end up with.  If you're ready to wean from bf, then you can do whatever combination works for you and for him, as long as he's getting enough fluids - and milk/formula.  In most areas, it's recommended to continue with BM or formula up to about a year and ensure that they get about 25oz per day - if you can do that with a cup, great, if not, then you might want to consider a different combination.  Certainly, soon, much of his dairy and protein requirements will be met with solids, and if you're cautious, you can have a balanced diet without too much milk, but you do have to think more!  If you're not ready to completely wean, though, there are still many benefits to even a couple of nursing sessions a day.  Does that help at all?

Oh, and he might have also decreased the amount of milk he's taking in if he's filling up on solids - if you want him to have more milk, you could look at the amount of solid food you give him and when it is, compared to his milk feeds! :)
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Post by: sunkissed on September 07, 2007, 15:31:05 pm
Hi everyone…just had a few questions about weaning my 11 month old. 

Right now he nurses 4x a day.  I’m going back to work soon so he will be starting daycare so I will have to change the 2 days feedings.  I’m just not sure what I’m suppose to replace these feedings with…cows milk or breast milk?  is it better to start with breast milk and just give it to him in a sippy cup?  (He drinks water from a sippy cup now)  And if I give him breast milk from a sippy do I warm it up?  Sorry if that’s a stupid question I just have no idea how I’m suppose to do this  :)

Thanks for the help
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on September 07, 2007, 17:31:37 pm
It really depends what he and you are most comfortable with. Are you planning to continue nursing in the morning and at night?  Most areas recommend waiting until about a year old to start cow's milk - so as he's close, you could decide to go that way or provide breastmilk by pumping.  If he takes water from a sippy, he might be fine with the milk that way too.  I personally have moved away from warming it up....you don't tend to once they get older anyway.  You can see if he likes it or not!  Let me know if you have more questions.  :)
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Post by: Harpersmom on September 17, 2007, 17:04:55 pm
So my ds is 18 mo old and teething up a storm right now.  We have been nursing at bedtime and in the early am around 3am give or take.  We have had some off times with the 3am feed but it always seems to settle back.  My problem right now is that he is waking early in the night due to teeth around midnight and just won't settle.  He only wants to nurse.  But nursing just isn't right.  He isn't nursing out of hunger so he is latching weird.  Moving his hands around which interferes with latching and most of all the lazy nursing just feels weird.  I can't stand the feeling and it makes me cringe.  I don't like these feelings with nursing.  Last night I had to make him stop which led to hysterics but he eventually settled.  But he doesn't wake back up at 3am for a hunger feed he just wakes at 5am for good.  Ugh.

I wouldn't mind continuing the nf if it seemed necessary or if he was really into it but this weird latching I can't take.  So how long will it take to get him off nf and what am I in for?  I really want to keep the bedtime nurse for now if my milk and ds will keep it up. 

I know teething is a contributer but I don't know how much and I don't know how it will affect weaning.  When it seems like he wants it more right now for comfort.

Any tips or suggestions would really help.  Thanks.
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on September 17, 2007, 17:19:31 pm
Do you give him any meds for teething?  I know that infant motrin works great for my lo.  You might do best to try and cut that nf altogether....you could still do a bed time nurse, but work with pu/pd or walkin/walkout to try and get him to resettle without nursing....
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Post by: Harpersmom on September 17, 2007, 17:44:44 pm
Thanks,  I give him teething tabs and drops but I really don't want to do the motrin.  I will work on dropping the nf.  I hope I manage but I guess if we are going to be up with teeth anyway it is as good a time as any to work on dropping the feed.  This way it is all lost sleep at once for me.  I hope this doesn't add to emotional stress though.  The pain cry is so different from the sobbing cry when I won't let him nurse.  :'(  The sobbing cry just stings.
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on September 17, 2007, 18:09:24 pm
This way it is all lost sleep at once for me. 

Great way of looking at it!  :)

You can also look at gradually decreasing the amount of time you nurse him at night.  Or you could offer a sippy cup of milk or water (my lo loves to chew a bit on it when her teeth are bugging her).
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Post by: Harpersmom on September 18, 2007, 17:14:18 pm
Thanks.  Update...  Last night he woke around 12:45am and I gave him teething drops.  He asked to have his diaper changed but didn't ask to nurse after.  I just held him and swayed till he was calm and then laid him in his crib and kept my hand on him for a bit.  I was back in bed by 1:05am.  Yeah for easy night although he did wake at 5:30am.  I have decided not to move that nf to wake up to keep from confusing things so we are on just bedtime nurse.  I hope we have good nights from here out and never go back. 

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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on September 19, 2007, 00:25:33 am
Here's hoping!!  :)
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Post by: marblelicious on October 12, 2007, 20:39:13 pm
I need some advice. My 10.5 month old is not making the weaning from the breast easy. I have been getting my nanny to offer him the 4:30pm feed in a sippy cup (which he loves drinking water from) w/ formula for the past few weeks, but he still hates it and usually makes a big fuss and cries. On a good day he would finish 2/3 of the sippy cup, sometimes he takes just 1/3 of the full cup.

I am going away in December with the hubby for 2 weeks, without him, so I need to wean him completely in 2 months time, and I am worried that I can't get him off the breast in time. I am concerned about him not getting enough milk b/c apparently his pediatrician said that he didn't gain weight from month 8 to month 10 (he grew 3 cm in height and always has good soiled diapers however) so this weaning process is even more difficult for me emotionally b/c of this. I am even thinking of cancelling our trip (first vacation in 2 years!) to go away b/c I can't stand the thought of him not taking milk for 2 weeks just b/c I am going to be away.

The question is should I be weaning him off another feed in the late morning before this 4:30pm feed becomes established with the sippy cup or should I wait until the afternoon feed is more established first before I introduce another feed in the cup w/ formula? Will babies not drink any alternate source of milk if breast milk is not available from mommie??? Thanks so much in advance... :-\
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Post by: lisi's mum on October 13, 2007, 07:37:14 am
I could never persuade dd to drink very much from a sippy and have ended up resorting to a normal cup for everything and a bottle for milk. For us it was the only way. At 10.5 months you could cut back to 3 feeds a day, but milk still should be his main source of calories for the next 6 weeks or so, not that something magic happens in 6 weeks, but it's better to err on the side of caution!

As far as the weight gain goes, I wouldn't worry too much - he probably got a whole lot more active, it's ok as long as he doesn't actually loose any. Keep an eye more on the diapers.

I think your first step is to experiment a bit with the milk source, another brand of sippy, cup... and be assured that in my experience babies behave almost always WAY better when mummy isn't around than when she is, don't cancell your vacation just yet!
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Post by: marblelicious on October 13, 2007, 23:50:11 pm
Thanks so much Lisi's mum for your advice. The thing is he loves the sippy cup for his water (he likes water from anything really) so I thought I'd offer the milk in it too, but he doesn't always take it from the sippy. We have started to try feeding him milk with the playtax straw cup which his big brother uses, and he seemed to like his juice and milk in it today. so we will try again tomorrow and see if maybe he decided to like the straw cup.

I also find lately he's not that into drinking milk from me either, he would fuss about it first and want to play with something in his room first before he would drink from me. I think he's just crazy about playing right now and is way too distracted. B/c he refuses to drink me from me or the cup during the day I find I am also having to deal with him waking up at night to drink from me...after the doctor's visit I felt terrible about him not putting on weight so I have been giving in to him and letting him drink in the middle of the night. he gets up 2-3 times a night to do this, but I don't know how else to make him drink more during the day!

Thanks for your reassurance, other moms too said if he's having dirty diapers around the clock and even though he's not gaining weight, he should be doing ok. you know how pediatricians can scare you sometimes.

And no I am not cancelling my vacation!! I am determined that something will happen by the end of Dec!!
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Post by: lisi's mum on October 14, 2007, 06:41:08 am
Distraction is very frustrating, during your bfs have you tried wearing a necklace or something for him to play with at the same time? It may help a bit. Or you could try feeding (breast or bottle) when he's sleepy, he may be a bit more willing to sit still for the cuddle.

I think peds are put on the earth to scare us  :P sometimes you have to take what they say with a pinch of salt and go with your instincts!
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Post by: marblelicious on October 16, 2007, 02:21:00 am
hi Katie, I am going to try both the necklace while doing the bfs and giving him the bottle when he's sleepy. I know he's better at bf when he's sleepy that's for sure. thanks again!
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Post by: marblelicious on October 24, 2007, 18:24:39 pm
hi there again, I have had no success...he just doesn't take anything else except for the boobs...

The pediatrician told me just to go cold turkey when he turns a year. what is your advice on that???
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on October 24, 2007, 18:55:26 pm
The pediatrician told me just to go cold turkey when he turns a year. what is your advice on that???

That certainly wouldn't be MY advice!  You'd have to pump anyway, to avoid getting too engorged and run the risk of plugged ducts and mastitis! I'd just keep trying and keep offering alternatives...
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Post by: marblelicious on October 24, 2007, 19:07:58 pm
oh yes I know, I will have to keep pumping to prevent all those things from happening to me. I am feeling really desparate here and don't know what else to do (we've tried for the past 3 months, except when he was sick) with my DS when it comes to weaning...he's one stubborn baby.
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Post by: Aly Mac on November 05, 2007, 06:53:24 am
Hi everyone.

just a quick question, as I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.  I am still nursing L 4.x a day up to yesterday. I dropped the mid morning feed, and again today - so far so good.  do I need to do anything for myself with this? ie: pump or anything.  They feel ok, not engorged or anything. I jsut don't want it to effect my morning or bedtime supply as I really want to keep with these.  If I need to pump, then I will just go back to nursing in the day, as I"m doing it more for some freedom for me more than anything. (I am still struggling with the why this morning - I have perfectly good milk? why am I giving her cows milk/  but that's another thread!).  Also, can you do this adhoc, or is it worse to alternate too much? 

sorry, wasn't such a quick question afterall!!
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Post by: deenz on November 06, 2007, 00:14:29 am
I would say you don't need to pump.  I didn't anyway, and all was fine, I continued on with nursing twice per day.  As long has your breasts feel fine, then I wouldn't worry.  I wouldn't drop the 3rd feed for a little while though, just to slowly decrease your supply, rather than dropping two feeds together.  Not sure re the adhoc thing - do you mean you might sometimes do the mid-morning feed, and sometimes do the mid-afternoon feed?  Not sure how your breasts would manage that??
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Post by: Harpersmom on November 10, 2007, 14:11:08 pm
Hi I am finally saying goodbye to nursing.  DS is 20 mo and he has just been latching hard and poorly and using more teeth.  Plus I am ready to not have to be the one to do bedtime.  Last night dad handled bedtime quite well and suprisingly so did ds.  He went to sleep pretty easy after some crying and cuddles.  Then slept through the night.  So this am I am a little engorged on the right side and sore.  Do I need to pump or do any compresses or supplements to help me dry up and keep me from getting blocked ducts or even mastitis?  Thanks
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Post by: lisi's mum on November 10, 2007, 15:23:34 pm
Congratulations, and enjoy the free evenings!  ;D

Try not to pump - if you're really sore give yourself a warm compress / shower and massage out just enough milk to take the edge off things - you don't want your body to think it still needs to make that milk.

Sage tea helps dry things up - just a few sage leaves in some boiling water and let steep 15 minutes, drink around 3 cups a day. Tastes pretty nasty (dh actually likes it  ::) works wonders for sore throats too, but that's another story!) but works. Peppermint tea helps too.

If a duct blocks, which is unlikely, then massage, massage, massage. Warm compresses, more massage and when you're not doing that stick a cabbage leaf in your bra or even better a compress with quark or natural yogurt.

Well done on such a great bf career!
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on November 10, 2007, 17:57:52 pm
Hi! I need some advice!
I stop BFing last week, weaning slowly the last two feeds I had, one morning and one evening. so since last monday I did not pump. It seemed to go fine but since yesterday i feel my breast as a bit sore and also feel some hard points in some parts of the breasts. I also see a bit of liquid/ milk? coming out today, which i did not see for the last days.
It is not very painfull just a bit disturbing (like i woudl have waiting a bit with a feed and the breats is full), is this part of the normal process or is this what we call block ducts or others? i did not get really any trouble during the last 7 mo of BFing so i am not recognising any symptom or can compare to anything!
well any suggestion are welcome!!

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Post by: Samuel's mum on November 10, 2007, 18:06:59 pm
It might be you have blocked ducts but as long as it's not painful I wouldn't do anything just yet. When people wean they do sometimes go through phases of being a bit lumpy or engorged.

As for why there was a sudden change yesterday perhaps something is going on in your menstrual cycle which is causing some changes. Or could your breasts have had some stimulation (from DH ;), a power shower, a sleeping position) - that might have been enough to set off a little bit more production.

It's normal for milk to still be there for quite some time yet (and occasionally leak). For some people it can take weeks and months for milk to go entirely.

For now try some cool compresses (like wet cold washcloths) for relief.

However if the lumps do continue to feel uncomfortable and move into feeling painful I would worry about blocked ducts and I would try and 'clear them' with some warm compresses and massage (massaging towards the nipple) and perhaps a little bit of hand expression or even pumping (the absolute minimum after warm compresses and massage). I know it might seem like going backwards to pump at this point and stimulate your supply but it's worth a few more days of pumping and scaling it back down again to avoid mastitis.

Check out the FAQ on mastitis and blocked ducts.

Hope you are all sorted soon. It really might be completely 'normal' but just be aware of what blocked ducts might feel/look like.
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on November 10, 2007, 18:34:04 pm
Emma, great, many thanks for you so fats answer and good advices!! i belive that if it stays one or two more days then may be i have to think of block ducts. i will look at the threads again to watch out! I tried warm compresses and it felt better right away!! i will try the sage tea too, may be that's help also. wel it feels so bizarre to still have milk without being baby-pumped!!
well, no stimulation from DH this week so i guess my hormones are trying themselves out to see for my cycles to come back to normal again!! hey, did not had periods for 7 mo and did not miss those ones!! ;)
I try with compresses and tea for a couple of days if i see the lumps get harder then i will do a tour at my doc!
weel at leats it is nice to see it is normal and can take a while to go back to normal!! well i do miss my baby-boob times but enjoy the new freedoom too so i guess it takes the same time than to place BFing in place!! :D
many many thanks again and I let you know how it goes!! ;D
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Post by: Harpersmom on November 11, 2007, 01:33:05 am
Just fyi.  I am still sore so I will try a shower in a bit.  But I made some tea.  Pot of water with a stalk of sage leaves broken in half, juice of half a lemon and then peeled and put the pulp in, then 2 bags of peppermint tea and put on the stove for about 20 min.  It tastes amazing. I sure hope it works.
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Post by: lisi's mum on November 11, 2007, 08:01:16 am
That's quite a concoction!

A wee herb won't work instantly - keep it in a thermos and sip away throughout the day for a good few days, the cumulative effect will help.

Hope the soreness goes away soon.
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on November 11, 2007, 09:24:06 am
hi katie & marpersmom - well nice idea to put lemon and pepper munt tea in the sage tea! i will try that!! i am drinking it since yesterday and it taste a bit special on itw own!! ;).... well still i woke up last night with pain so decide at 4.00 am to pump a bit to try to realase the pain and took ibuprofen to be able to go back to sleep, well it seems to work, my breasts stilll are sore and painfull but i feel less hard lumps so i guess the pumping helpt a bit too!
i will try the hot shower now too!
well it is nice to know others are going through the same!! i did not think it would be such a big deal and just went very slowly with the weaning but still, what a body adaptation again!!! :P well sorry to vent here but women definitively have more jobs to do that men on this department!!! ;D ;D i guess this is why our LOs are asking for mama later when they need comfort... way cool, right!! 8) 8)
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Post by: Harpersmom on November 11, 2007, 14:46:57 pm
I finally pumped a bit last night too.  I just couldn't take the discomfort.  It was uncomfortable just to move my arms.  I feel much better today and my tea is ready.  Yum.  Elisa glad you are feeling a bit better too.  It is nice to know we all go through this.  Since I had been doing only 1 feed a day for over a month I didn't think I would be so achy.  Ahh motherhood... blessing and a curse.... luckily more of a blessing  ;) :-*
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on November 11, 2007, 19:56:22 pm
so comforting to be few in the same boat!! ;)
well, i skipped 3 feeds in 3-4 days for each and it was fine for few days.. but now i am tapping with cold cabbage in my bra.. i tought i was back like at stewing time 7 mo earlier!!! ;D ;D ;D luckily we can take ibuprofen now!!! ;D
well good lukc on your side for this night! i wish you also a more calm night without pumping!!!
muriel
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Post by: nona on November 13, 2007, 19:55:05 pm
aleesa - thanks for telling me about this thread. in the last few weeks before cade turned a year, i would only nurse if i was home. so somedays he would nurse more than others KWIM? i was not going to pump when i was away from him, etc. so don't worry if some days you nurse more than others. i understand what you are saying. if you want to run errands, go for it and don't worry about what your boobs are doing or lilly.  they will both adjust fine and you will enjoy yourself more.

as for me, i started officially weaning at a year. my plan was to drop one feed every month or so. I ended up dropping two feeds though. I dropped the night time feed first b/c DH likes to put Cade to bed and he was not hungry enough to really nurse well. cade starting biting me and it just wasn't worth it. plus, i didn't like the feed! right now, we're in the middle of dropping a nap. since he is now only napping once a day, the other feed just disappeared which worked out perfectly. We had a little problem with biting week after last but it worked itself out (didn't want to end nursing on that note). Cade is not walking yet, but i'm hoping when he starts he'll drop one of his feeds on his own.  ??? i think the hardest will be first thing in the morning but i'll do it over the weekend so DH can wake him up and give him breakfast right away.  cade loves to eat and is ready for breakfast quickly after he nurses. i'm ready to wean but i'll be sad when it is over. feels like it is the only time i get cuddles!
 
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Post by: Aly Mac on November 18, 2007, 08:42:37 am
Hi guys.

L is now on 3 bf a day (cut out the mid morning feed) but she is teething - a molar came through this week, tooth number 9 :o and she seems to want me to feed her more (she was always likethis with teething) Anyone else have this happen while they were weaning? I'm not actively weaning altogether, but don't want to go backwards with what I have done so far.

Anyone's experiences would be a great help.
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on November 19, 2007, 13:09:21 pm
hi alessa - sorry no advice I just finished with BF and elisa does not yet have any teeth, so..... cannot be of great help! sorry! :-\

well here thansk to all your nice advices, weaning is now finished and teh pain went away after 4-5 days! so i am looking at my boobs and di not decide yet if i find them saggy or not!! ::) ::) well, sure still not fitting in my old bras but sure the size is slowly decreasing!! so may be i see a difference on my weight balance soon??? ;D ;D ;D i know.. just dreaming... ;D ;D

so still drinking sage & pepermint tea just in case! i start to like it also!! ::)

for the rest elisa was sick for the last 3 days, pucking, diareha and other joys.. may be the first teeth or a good stomach flue  ??? ??? so she actually did not want to sleep on any thing else than me (day & night!! :o :o) with her head on my boobs so i actually could enjoy her like when BFing in a stange kind of way!! well now she seems better and went back to herself it seems having her own indepedant napping time in her crib now!  ;D

so i am happy weaning did not hurt much longer! and many thanks again for the nice help and support! sure i will miss my BFing moments but i can see they will be replaced by new experiences!! :-* :-*
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Post by: NiknLily on December 02, 2007, 13:21:14 pm
Hi
DD is 19months and only has bf before bedtime and to be honest rarely takes very much at all, plus she has started to mess about, doesn't want to be cradled, wants to kneel in front of me and swop from side to side, its supposed to be part of her wind down, a close and relaxing time, but its just not like that any more.  Plus I feel weird having her kneel in front, just feels wrong iykwim.  So I'm thinking it may be time to wean completely.  Just wanted some advise on how best to handle her, what to do instead, was thinking a warm milk sippy she can drink while I read her stories. I'm just a little worried that it may cause some form of SA, don't want her to feel like I'm pushing her away or being cruel, denying something she still wants.  Feel fairly sure I won't have too much trouble with engorging etc as my boobs are as small as they ever where and very saggy ::) and she really doesn't take much at all.  Not sure what advice I want really, just any wise words, tips would be greatly appreciated  :)
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on December 02, 2007, 21:33:03 pm
That's how it happened with my first.  We were down to the bedtime feed and she started just messing around.  I was pregnant, so I think my supply had really diminished too.  We didn't bother with a sippy of milk - didn't want to start that habit and then worry later about having to brush teeth afterwards, etc.  I just did a snuggle and a song instead of the breastfeed and put her down like usual.
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Post by: NiknLily on December 03, 2007, 14:29:30 pm
Thanks, I know its not strictly a weaning thing but should she still be having milk then as I don't give any other milk to drink, she has it on her cereal most days and gets plenty of dairy, so do I need to worry?
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on December 03, 2007, 17:07:21 pm
As long as she's getting a balanced diet and enough fluid too, with calcium in some form, then it should be fine - there are plenty of kids who don't drink cow's milk. It's just an easier form of protein and calcium and vit D for many families.
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Post by: NiknLily on December 03, 2007, 20:51:29 pm
Thanks, well I didn't do a feed tonight and she was fine about it, didn't seem to notice.  I'm wondering if tomorrow might be when she thinks, 'hang on, whats going on here then?' hope not but what will be will be  :)
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Post by: heidiruthie on December 16, 2007, 00:01:54 am
hello! i hope this is the right place to post this! i feel kinda dumb not knowing the answer to this, but how exactly do i go about weaning my almost 12mo son? he still has 3 bfs per day (7am, 3pm & 7:30pm) i'd sort of like to start with consolidating the last 2 feeds into one and say feed him at 5:00pm. the only problem is, he still really wants to nurse at 3:00 yesterday i gave him a little bit of milk in a sippy, which he normally loves, but he knew something was up and grabbed at my shirt! i finally gave in and he nursed for a long time.

i suppose i want to wean because i haven't got my period yet and dh and i would like to ttc soon. also, i don't have a breast pump, so i've felt slightly "chained" for the past year and would really enjoy a bit more freedom, iykwim. i hope that doesn't sound cruel, i do love nursing and know i will miss it when ds is finished, but its been a long year!

so does anyone have any hints for how i could combine the 3pm and 7.30pm feeds into one 5pm feed?

thanks!
-heidi
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Post by: Aly Mac on December 21, 2007, 03:41:32 am
Heidi, how are you going? I don't think you can really combine a feed, its more of you miss a feed, with it being replaced with something else. What I did/do is I gave a sippy of milk but in the high chair. this is after she wakes up from her nap, lots of cuddles, but not in the normal nursing chair, usually while standing and we go and look outside get some fresh air.  The in the high chair for some milk.  After she's used to that I do a sippy of milk on my lap so she still gets cuddles.  I guess the main thing to start with is to still give the contact without bf, with distraction.  do I make sense....

in saying all that, I have a problem too though...I gave up the mid morn bf a month or so ago, no probs ( as per my above!), and this week I have given up the mid afternoon.  I don't know if it's just a coincidence but she is really fussy for her pm nap and when I try to console her she really wants to nurse.  Not from hunger I don't think, but she likes the comfort.  anyone else find this?  I know I should just find antoher way to calm her for her nap, but at the same time I wondering whether she is missing the afternoon feed.  she still gets first and last thing feeds.

any thoughts anyone??
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on December 21, 2007, 13:50:31 pm
Had you been nursing her before the nap?  You could always do some extra cuddles, story, song...  Or some people give a bit of water or milk at that time, if you suspect hunger...
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Post by: Aly Mac on December 22, 2007, 06:08:05 am
that's the thing Erin, I had been nursing after that nap.  it's like she knows!!!!!!

With weaning I was kind of doing one at a time, but is that the best way? or just keep with the 3 and when she refuses the lot finish then? i'm happy to keep the first thing and last thing feed.  But if she's going to get this upset, i'd rather keep it - it's not fair on her ykwim?  I feel like she will want to nurse forever she loves it so much!!
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on December 22, 2007, 06:36:22 am
Ahhh.... just weaned my boy over a week ago (1 day short of 23 months) and am still kind of sad about it (so is he  :-[).
We tried to drop a feed - we were still nursing 3x/day - morning/nap/bedtime but couldn't seem to drop any.

We finally just went cold turkey. It has been way harder on me than him though - he is okay with the extra cuddles but still shyly asks to bf at least twice a day. Hope it stops soon - it just makes me so sad (he accepts the explanation there is no milk in them anymore so I'm the one with the hangup!!!).
Yaaaaa - for me though - today was the first day I wasn't sore in the chest. Think I'll finally sleep good tonight without sleeping with "rocks".
Don't know if it normally takes 9 days before boobs start to feel normal again? (Who am I kidding - these boobs are are not "normal" - they seem quite a bit saggier than they were 2 years ago - lol!)

I know so many who were able to drop to 1 BF/day before weaning. But we could never get to that. It was cold turkey for us or 3x/day.
It is such a comfort thing for him though - now he wants his hand down my shirt during bedtime story.  ::)
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on December 29, 2007, 20:04:50 pm
Over 3 weeks since my we've finished nursing now. Wow - did not expect that I would miss it so much!

My heart was breaking as to this day DS still asks to nurse a couple times a day. Or at least I thought he was asking! Yesterday I finally thought - "What is the harm- I'm sure there is no milk left" so when he "asked" - I said "Sure" and offered it to see what he'd do. He laughed and laughed and told me there is no milk in them anymore. Didn't even try to latch - just pulled my shirt back down and thought I was funny!

Phew - now I can stop feeling so bad! Apparently it is just a big topic of conversation for him still! For such a champion nurser the weaning for us went so much smoother and easier for him than I imagined.

On an even happier note - I was worried I would miss all that cuddle time with DS. But he is even cuddlier now and DH is so happy with all the extra cuddles he is getting too (apparently I was hogging all the cuddles with all the BF we did ;D)
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on December 30, 2007, 13:50:25 pm
That's so sweet!  I'm glad you're starting to feel better about it, and he's clearly adjusted well! :)
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on January 01, 2008, 10:26:59 am
That's so encouraging Siestanomore.  L just loves to bf, so cutting out the two daytime ones, esp the afternoon one, has been hard on her (and me) esp with tiredness and teething.  So much easier with dh home though, as he is handling the naps and after if she show signs of wanting me..  so going well I think  ???
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Post by: Hannah's Mom on January 02, 2008, 03:59:58 am
YEAH!!! THANKS, SiestaNoMore!!!  You've given me some hope!  I got on here to ask for ideas of how to cut out the constant "na-na!!!" cries.  Cuddles and jumping to breakfast just haven't been enough! 

I debated just going cold turkey when trying to figure out how to drop down from 3x/day but then things worked out to drop the morning one while we were traveling.  HOWEVER, that was at the beginning of Nov, and she STILL begs for her morning nurse for probably an average of TWENTY MINUTES EVERY MORNING. AAAAAKKKK!!!  Since we're ttc'n, hubby's just started taking her at night so that we can more easily cut out the night-time nursing.  The first two nights were screams galore, but tonight she shocked me.  I usually disappear around bedtime, but this time I handed her a sippy of milk (yes, we're being bad and not brushing her teeth afterward for now) and gave her a kiss as her daddy took her to bed and she just smiled and went with him!  Ha! 

She consistently has to be forced--yes forced!--off the breast.  The other day I was watching TV (which I rarely do) and just let her keep nursing so I could finish the show, and another show later I realized she'd been nursing for over an hour!  She's still getting plenty of milk (although not necessarily that whole hour of course!).  Even when she's nursed on both sides, I can't really tell her that the milk's all gone, though, because she KNOWS that if she switches sides again there will be more there!  I do love nursing.  I hate to stop completely--and wouldn't if we weren't ttc'n.  She makes me laugh:  Whenever I tell her it's time for bed as she's nursing, she shakes her little head and points at my breast. "No it's not, I'm nursing!"
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on January 02, 2008, 18:20:53 pm
You are all so sweet - I have gotten so much support/ideas/etc from all of you on this thread before I posted here! Had been lurking this thread awhile.
I loved nursing too. I think had we not started to TTC I would have been going to visit him for "lunch" when it was time for him to go to kindergarten! ;D
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Hannah's Mom on January 04, 2008, 21:29:47 pm
 ;D  Hahahaa!  Same here!   ;D
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on January 06, 2008, 00:04:34 am
OK, so now she is wanting bf all the time ughh!!!!!  gets quite upset.  SA is here big time.  I guess she has everything going at the moment:

* teething
* cut down bf
* whingy
* picky eating
* throwing food
* SA
* even some nw thrown in
* hard to get down for naps....


sigh.....sometimes I think weaning totally would be easier as I'm starting to dislike the bf as she is soooo needy....any advice anyone? 
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Post by: NiknLily on January 06, 2008, 15:40:50 pm
Hi Aly Mac
Sorry no advice just some Hugs &  :-* sounds like you've got a lot on your plate at present.
Nicola
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Post by: Muriel - Elisa's mama on January 07, 2008, 14:24:51 pm
Hi aleesa, courage girl!! :-* :-*

well, Food if she start to be too picky and trowing food, be a bit firm and believe in your tone by saying NO! If she continues you take the food away then, she must not be starving. Do it consistently each time so she will rean playing with food= NO + no eating!
I did not try that for food but for sleeping issue. Elisa was starting to be difficult to put down also for nap so she tried few time to cry, pinching my arms and giggling away (well trying she is only 9mo!) and so on. Just by saying to her no in a firm tone each time she was trying to get away, I managed in two days to come back to the "normal" way! DH does not manage to be firm but sometimes they do need to hear it to, part of the learning process. I guess Food is just another way of trying it too!

SA, well we got it and I definitively recommend Tracy advise to keep an upbeat tone, don't pick her up but give another thing to think of: a toy, make funny noise or a dance around her to make her laugh, play pikeboo as much as you can also then so she learn you Will come back and that she does not need to be afraid. I tell you it does get better!!

and if you think she is more needed, I see that with my LO, she does need her good hugging-party per day whre it is just me kissing her, telling her I love her and just focusing on the love part for some time a day....this is the best part of teh day for me!! LOL!!! sometimes we are so busy with all the rest and intendance management that this part gets a bit too few and we do not always realise it. With SA or weaning they need extra reassuring and hugging-party are way cool and do help them too.. then they do not ask as you just give and when they have enough they just pull away their own! It helps you too to get back this closness you have when you BF, at least that worked for us! You replace time very close by another time very close but just in a different way. For us it is in the morning when she is just waking up. I take her in my arms and wish her a great day, cuddle for a while before we go into the actions of the day, so that's our huging-party!! :-*

well that's some of the ways I could deal with things, I hope it give you some ideas!
hugs!!! :-* :-*
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on January 07, 2008, 21:55:35 pm
Just more HUGS Aly Mac!

We went through spurts where DS wanted to nurse all day long (especially when he was getting new molars or on vacation in new surroundings). I was worried that it would become his new schedule and all my effort to cut back bf'ing was down the drain. But it always went back to normal when the teeth came in or vacation was done.

Hugs in the meantime for you....
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Post by: Wink's Marmy on January 08, 2008, 00:37:28 am
Hey ladies. I wanted to share our weaning story here...

Our nursing officially came to an end on Dec. 22, a day after DD turned 13 months. I had planned on nursing till she was 15 or 16 months, but our plans changed when a family crisis caused me to have to be out of town a lot. Because I was out of town, DH fed her expressed BM. When the crisis began, DD was 12 mo. + a week and she was down to 3 BF per day. When I arrived back from my first weekend away, she fought BF for a day or so. It was tough, but I got her interested again. I knew I would have to leave town again soon, so I went to 2 BFs, morning and night. The second time I came back from being out of town, she fought it again. She fought the bedtime feed, so I just gave up on that. That put us to just the morning feed, until she started fighting that as well. I was losing interest and so was she, so I decided to call it quits. The first day went beautifully. DH got up with her and fed her milk in a sippy (actually we have to make 'smoothies' with yogurt + milk because she doesn't like milk just plain). Then I came out and she was happy as a lark. The next day, I came out while DH was feeding her the smoothie and she FREAKED! Screaming crying... But, I didn't nurse her and she eventually took the cup again. Since that day, DH has fed her the morning smoothie and I have stayed out of sight. This morning was my first time to do it and she was absolutely fine. We had one other moment where I was changing my shirt in front of her and she thought she was going to be nursed. This was about 2 days after we officially quit. I have also been very careful not to change in front of her since then!

DD and I both became tired of nursing at the same time which was nice because it wasn't my decision entirely. The family crisis sort of prompted it all a bit earlier than I would have chosen, but it all worked out for the best. Thankfully, I never struggled with clogged ducts during all of this even though I did throughout my breastfeeding journey.

We had a messy start to BF. I wasn't sure I could do it for a week! Fast forward to now and we made it 13 months! :o I honestly view it as one of my greatest accomplishments. Nothing came easy but after a few months, it worked like clockwork. And when I say nothing came easy, I mean it was TOUGH! Think crying every day (and not just DD, me too!!!)...

Anyway, thanks to all you ladies who carried me through the trials and encouraged me to continue. I really couldn't have done it without you & the BW site. I LOVE the BW philosophies, esp. about nursing. I love that everyone here is so accepting and encouraging and open.

I miss the BF. I cried a lot the first week or two. DH helped me a lot. I asked him to remind me frequently why we stopped BF. When he looked at me cross after the third time I asked him to remind me one day, I told him that I just needed him to repeat it, even though it sounded crazy. That it was just a woman thing. So he did and continued to till I asked him less & less. I do miss it, but I am so happy that she is happy and not fighting it anymore. She is growing up and now I am more available to help with the family crisis.

Hope this helps someone out there!
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on January 09, 2008, 00:33:09 am
Thanks for your story Jen!  I remember back to all the struggles you had, and I'm so amazed at how long you nursed her and then at how WELL she took the bottle! :)
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Post by: h.antoinette on January 09, 2008, 04:08:24 am
 ???
Hi everybody -
My daughter will be 13 months in a week. I was nursing her 4 times a day: first thing in the morning and I used nursing to put her to sleep for her 2 naps and at night.
I started weaning the nursing that puts her down for her first nap, at the beginning she would complain a little, but she would fall asleep fairly fast. Now, she completely skips her nap and that's worrying me.
She sleeps from 7:30 pm to 5 am. She used to go down for her first nap at 8am, but since I started weaning she was going down for it at 9am. Now, she's totally skipping it and waiting for the second nursing session to finally nap, which is at noon. By then, she's really tired, since 8am she starts rubbing her eyes and fights me putting her to sleep. She’s also a little cranky and whiny and extremely clingy. That leaves me desperately waiting for her nap at noon so the 2 of us can get some rest. She's also starting to wake up at night, something that's she hasn't done in a while.
Should I go back to nursing her for the first nap? Is it ok for her to be awake 7 hours straight at this age? We’ve only been doing this for a week.
Some suggestions will be appreciate it.
Thank you all! 
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Post by: Hannah's Mom on January 14, 2008, 01:11:29 am
I'm the biggest nurse-to-sleep junkie there is!  What we've done to wean my DD off that is to separate nursing from sleeping.  You've got to do some sleep training and teach her how to sleep without nursing, which it sounds like is the only way she knows how to fall asleep.  Having a nursing chair in a different room, or something like that, to nurse in and then going to bed afterward has really helped us out.  Check out the sleep boards for info on sleep training.  Right now, I take the afternoon nap (my lo is 23 mo) and hubby is taking bedtimes so that I don't get worn out and give up on the sleep training like I did when he was in grad school and couldn't help out.  You've GOT to have help with it or you'll get burned out and give up!!!!  It's a lot of work and takes a lot of dedication and will-power, but it's totally worth it (or so I've heard! We're just starting to get her to sleep without her holding our hands.)  My guess is that she's waking at night because she's not getting enough sleep during the day.  That's what my lo always does, especially after the first hour (or up to three hours) after falling asleep at bedtime.  She wakes and cries hysterically, like a night terror, on the days she goes without a nap.  Kids do transition to one nap when they're between 12 and 18 months, but from my own experience, it sounds like your dd's not ready for it yet.  If you think she is, though, the transition needs to be more gradual, anyway.  Again, the sleep boards can help you out with that!  I wish you the best!!!!   :-*
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Post by: Aly Mac on January 14, 2008, 02:25:00 am
Hi there,  I used the Pantley's gentle removal plan when I was weaning feeding as a prop.  Just another alternative.

here is the link:

www.index.php?topic=52857.0
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Post by: h.antoinette on January 14, 2008, 15:43:41 pm
Thank you Aly Mac and Hannah's Mom -
My girl is 13 months old today!
Yesterday was not a good day for her. She woke up at 4am and only took 1hr nap (during nursing), then she went to bed at 7pm and woke up 2x during the night. I agree Hannah's mom, I think it is because she's not getting enough sleep; also, I don't think she's ready to skip her first nap.
This morning, I breastfed her out of one side only and she was ok with it. Also, I nursed her out of one boob only, around 9am - she woke up at 5am -  and my husband is with her right now reading books and he will try to make her take a nap. My baby has fallen asleep several times after nursing, not during nursing, but she "needs/wants" to nurse before going to sleep. 
OMG! She's napping!!!!
I'll follow your advice ladies and try to disassociate nursing and sleeping before I tackle weaning.
I'll try to nurse less too, out of one boob seems to be ok with her...so far

Thank you ladies!!!!!!!
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Post by: h.antoinette on January 15, 2008, 02:56:34 am
Well, today I've nursed in the living room an hour before each nap, then my husband took over and made her fall asleep.
I did the same for bedtime, with no results.
I nursed, then bathed, then read stories and I proceeded to rock her to sleep, but she put up a good fight. I ended up nursing in the living room out of one boob only until she was very sleepy, then I walked to her bedroom and rocked her, she cried a little but then settled down and fell asleep.
Am i doing this right? I don't want to confuse her...I know I am a little confused myself.
Now, she thinks that she can point at the recliner in the living room so I can nurse her.
Title: Trying to wean 11 month old - refuses to drink formula
Post by: hokie97 on February 04, 2008, 21:24:35 pm
Need help! My son will be 11 mos old tomorrow. He has been breastfeeding since birth. We supplemented with formula for his first couple of months and then he stopped taking a bottle.  We indulged this and went solely to breastfeeding again - then reintroduced the bottle around 5 mos. He took it for awhile and then stopped again. This time we continued to try to get him to take a bottle every week with no success.  My dr. advised that I will have to wean cold-turkey in order to get him to take a bottle.  I stopped nursing on 2 1/2 days ago. He refused formula in a bottle and sippy cup (which he can drink out of) for 2 1/2  days now. We got him to drink water in the cup but today he is refusing to drink anything - out of any type of cup/bottle/etc. We haven't forced the bottle/formula so I'm not sure what his strong aversion is. He takes formula in cereal without problems. I am worried since the feeding chart says he should be getting about 16oz of formula or breastmilk until he's 1 and he's getting 6 right now (and only in cereal).  He is a healthy baby - weighs around 22lbs and is a great solid food eater - hasn't met a food he doesn't like.  Please help!
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on February 05, 2008, 01:18:00 am
Hi there and welcome! First...do you really want to stop breastfeeding?  At almost a year, you could probably start working towards a proper cup, if you wanted, and bypass sippy or bottle.  You can also do this with combined breastfeeding.  It's only been a couple of days (are you pretty engorged or have you been pumping?), so you could probably return to some nursing if you wanted.

I guess what I'm saying is that I personally totally disagree with your doc and I completely don't see the point in weaning cold turkey unless it's for medical reasons.  If you and your son want to keep breastfeeding, but have another option for getting milk/formula into him, then there are A LOT of other options. ANd yes, he probably could use more milk than he's getting with his cereal.... Let me know your thoughts and we'll see what might help.
Title: Re: Trying to wean 11 mos old - refuses formula
Post by: hokie97 on February 05, 2008, 13:13:18 pm
Thanks for your response. I wanted to stop nursing by a year old.  Since I'm already 3 days into it, I am going to stick it out but it's been very emotional and hard on me. I think it's been hard on my son too (for obvious reasons!) although I loved the bonding time with nursing, it was hard to not be able to go anywhere since my son refused a bottle with breast milk in it.  As a result, we've been attached at the hip for the last 11 mos. I've loved it for the most part but there were times that a bottle would have been nice so I could go somewhere with my husband w/o worrying if I'm home in time to feed him before bed, etc. 

I've been pumping for the same time he would nurse (10 minutes 3x a day) since I stopped. However I have only been getting 2oz total!  My son never seemed hungry when I was nursing so now I'm wondering how much he was even getting from me. Granted, I didn't clock watch when he was nursing but I am clock watching with pumping so as not to increase my supply.  I'm not really engorged anymore though so I can probably wind down pumping by the end of this week.

What I was thinking of doing is giving him the breastmilk I'm pumping until I'm no longer producing. Then give him the bit I have in the freezer. My dr. (who I like but also am skeptical of at times) said I could give him whole milk in 2 wks when he's 11.5 mos old. He's eaten baby yogurt, cottage cheese and regular cheese w/o problems. Thoughts?


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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on February 05, 2008, 23:30:00 pm
Usually around a year old it's considered safe to give cow's milk, provided your child has a well balanced diet.  Plus or minus a couple of weeks won't make much difference!  Your plan sounds great.  Has he started drinking from something other than you now?
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Post by: MomofCharlie on February 12, 2008, 00:30:10 am
Hi! New to this thread and just read back a few pages... My LO is 10 months old, and has been exclusively BF'ed. He eats solids 3X a day, and nurses morning, after both naps, and before bed. I'd like to cut out one of the BFs, with a final goal of weaning him around 12 to 14 months. He hasn't had a bottle nor formula since his first week of life when we were struggling with getting BF started. He uses a sippy cup for little sips of water occasionally, and would like to use the sippy cup for the feeding that will replace the BF I want to drop (I'm assuming here that the BF I'll drop should be replaced with a formula feeding??).
I guess I'm asking whether this is the right way to go about it.... I've always BF'ed in the same place on the sofa in the living room. Should I formula feed him elsewhere? How do I get him to want to drink more than just a few sips from the sippy cup? Also, any other advise you wise ladies can send my way...

And one other question about previous posts... what does SA stand for?

Thanks in advance!

Allison
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 12, 2008, 09:34:53 am
Hi Allison, you know you don't have to replace a bf at this age with a formula, you could add a snack.  3 feeds a day is quite normal at this age.  we did drop the mid morning feed at around 12months so we started with some cow's milk, but that was more of a routine thing, so she was still getting a drink.  you don't have to do it this way.

jump in anyone if I am talking out of my ear wont' you  :)
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Post by: MomofCharlie on February 12, 2008, 13:59:02 pm
Hi, Aly Mac,
I actually didn't know that... I'm so nervous about making a change... he's pretty stuck on his routine, so maybe I will keep the feed with formula. If he rejects the formula, maybe I'll pump and then mix it with more and more formula every day. Why am I so nervous about this?? I feel like he's going to freak out. It's not that I'm sad to be ceasing BF, as I'll still be doing it 3X a day... Hmmm...
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 13, 2008, 05:16:07 am
it's normal to be nervous about it. now dont' take that I'm opposed to formula, but i really dont think you need to go there, if you don't want to.  3 bf a day is quite ok, and enough. alot of ff bubs are on 3 a day by that age. what I did was started to wean the feeds at 12months. that way i could supplement with cows milk in the transition as I didnt' see the point in going to formula as she didn't need it.  so I dropped the mid morning at 12months, then at 13 months the mid afternoon.  so by 14 months she was only on morning and night, and still is...

just a thought - maybe start a new thread in bf about how many bf a day, to see what responses you get.  I'm sure there will be other thoughts out there that may suit you better. :)
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Post by: MomofCharlie on February 13, 2008, 11:58:39 am
Thanks, Aleesa,
Well, I gave him a sippy cup with half breastmilk, half formula yesterday. It had 3 oz in it; he drank 2 without much hesitation. It worked so well, I think I'll keep that up for a week or so and then maybe gradually reduce the amount I'm offering to get rid of that feeding. I think, though, that I'll wait til he's a year to make the rest of the transition, as you did, with cow's milk. Thanks so much!!

Allison
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Post by: Jacob's Mommy on February 13, 2008, 12:15:34 pm
Hi - I plan to wean DS soon, in fact if i can, i would like to start now and for some reason am soo anxious about it (i think even though i'm trying to mentally prepare for it,  my heart is not willing to let go yet) :'( !! 

Anyway DS is grumpy baby who is about 11 mths.  I am wondering a few things:
1.  Can i start weaning him on cow's milk and skip the formula - maybe starting from one feed
2.  Currently i try to give him 4 feeds a days (7am, 11am, 3pm,7pm) but most of the time he'll only take the 7am and 7pm feed and we're struggling with the 11am and 3pm.  Maybe he's trying to tell me to cut down, so would that mean that i drop 1 feed?

Thank so much for your help!

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Post by: Aly Mac on February 14, 2008, 02:17:16 am
sherry in my experience that is exactly what I did, and it was very much the same routine (except 6am and 6pm). personally I think some cow's milk at 11months is ok, esp if he has been having it in other things.  though, i would recomend you ask your dr/ped as I am not one of those!!
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Post by: Lizer3 on February 19, 2008, 04:44:27 am
My DS is hurting me !! I need to wean him and I don't want him to be angry with me. He is only BF at 6:30 and at about 7pm.  Should I just get up with him at 6:30 when he wakes up and try to feed him breakfast or should I not give him his good night BF?  I don't want to just take it away from him. He doesn't really like cow's milk so far but he hasn't had too much of it still.

Thank you very much for your time,
Elizabeth
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 19, 2008, 05:17:47 am
Oh Hugs Elizabeth!

how old is your lo?  and what's he doing to hurt you?
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Post by: Lizer3 on February 19, 2008, 23:32:10 pm
He bites down on my left nipple and pulls off whenever he decides he is done with that side. :'(  I try to take him off before he does that but he just clamps down anyway. Samuel just turned 1 year old three days ago.  :D   I didn't give him is morning feeding and he has been the little turd all day lol.  I hope everything will be ok and he won't hate me forever.  :'( 
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 20, 2008, 00:56:36 am
he won't hate you forever hun  :-* :-* :-*  ARe you giving some milk in a sippy as a substitute?  lots of cuddles too will help (both of you  ;) )

I have been thru a few bouts of Lilly biting me and it's normally because it wasn't coming in quick enough.  I can give you some tips if you still wish to continue, that may help.  If not, that's ok.  You've done a great job at a year!!  And so has Samuel. Don't be hard on yourself, he loves you..xxx
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Post by: Samuel's mum on February 20, 2008, 06:33:36 am
He really won't hate you forever! You are mummy and he loves you above everything. He might be a bit confused for a while but it will pass. In the longer term if you do want to continue we can give some tips. But if this is the right time he'll adjust surprisingly quickly. Lots of extra cuddles and reassurance.
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Post by: MomofCharlie on February 21, 2008, 13:06:20 pm
Hi, ladies,
We're now down to 3 BF a day, but his sleep has gone out the window (night sleep, that is). I'm wondering whether I should give him that 4th feeding? Maybe he's waking (we slept only 2 hours last night) because he's hungry. Someone on the night wakings board suggested it. What do you think?

Allison
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Post by: Lizer3 on February 24, 2008, 04:08:37 am
I just wanted to say thank you for your kind words.

Samuel doesn't seem to hate me!!! Yay!!! He has not BF'd in 4 days now.

Thank you again!!
Elizabeth
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Post by: Samuel's mum on February 24, 2008, 07:36:01 am
Yay indeed!!! ;D Well done you.
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 24, 2008, 08:56:05 am
great news  ;D
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Post by: h.antoinette on February 25, 2008, 03:20:38 am
Hi everybody!

I think I am officially done breastfeeding.
Our last nursing session was a week before Valentine's Day. I'm still kind of sad about it because sometimes, when I rock her to sleep, she suckles on my bicep a few seconds at a time...does she miss it too?
We started weaning when she was about 11 months. She was nursing betwen 8 to 10 times during the day. I started by giving her snacks in between meals instead of nursing. That went over well.
I was down to 4 nursing sessions around December, and I decided to give it a break for the Holidays and resumed with the weaning in January.
I was nervous about taking away these last 4 nursing session, since they were the most important for both of us (I nursed her first thing in the morning, for her  naps and to put her to sleep at night) since it made both of our lives to have a harmonic rhythm.
I took away the nursing session that put her to sleep for her first nap...big mistake, she would stay awake until the following nursing session and she wasn't happy about it at all. She started to wake up in the middle of the night too.
Then, instead, I went back to nursing and tries to stop associating nursing with following asleep - great idea from some ladies from this blog  ;) - but that just made her even more miserable.
My child was a happy baby, and now she was crying constantly, extremely clingy, taking very irregular naps, and waking up four to five times at night.
So I went back to nursing to regain peace in my house and in my heart.
When things were getting better, I took away the first nursing session by having the TV on and offering breakfast right away. That worked!
Then, since I knew she could stay awake for six hours straight, I would take her new and exciting places to keep her awake and happy and I would only offer her to nurse for one nap a day. That worked too!
I got rid of the third nursing session easy too. I just would not nurse her nd started to rock her to put her to sleep. She protested it, but not for long, since she was just too tired and would fall asleep after a few minutes of rocking.
When my daughter started to look forward to the rocking for her only nap, that's when I decided to rock her at night too.
She did not protest. She went to sleep peacefully.
She is again happy, but her napping and sleeping schedule is all messed up. She wakes up constantly at night , and my husband and I are really tired. But at least, I have the memory of her sweet face nursing the last time we did.

To all the ladies trying to wean: courage, keep it up, and respect your feelings and your babies feelings too.

Take care!

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Post by: Molly2 on February 27, 2008, 22:26:22 pm
Hi Ladies

Just started weaning my little angel today.  She is 1 year and 1 week and normally only having 3 breastfeeds a day (an extra one if comfort needed).  She normally sleeps through but on the odd occasion if we are staying away from home and she wakes, I feed.

I'm not sure that I'm 100% ready to wean but I guess I'm getting there.  My main reason for weaning is that DD has been on the lowest curve on the growth chart since being slow to pass her birth weight in her first 6 weeks.  I tried everything to increase my milk supply, get her to drink more.  Now at a year, she eats 3 good meals a day and is still on the lowest curve so I feel the only sensible thing to do is to wean and hope her weight gain improves.  Another factor to me is that I didn't think I would be willing to let her self wean if she wanted to feed past say 2 and so I thought it would be unfair of me to continue when it might be traumatic for her later. 

I dropped her afternoon feed today and she had milk in a sippy cup 50% cows milk/50% formula.  Well I can honestly say, there wasn't a bother on her.  She really enjoyed her milk in a cup.  Interestingly enough, she drank in a similar pattern to how she breastfeeds ie gulped down for the first few minutes coming up for air gasping and then in a distracted/playful/comfort few sips every now and again afterwards.  The only noticable thing was that she was a bit clingy this afternoon but I've noticed that the dreaded SA seems to have only hit in the past week.

I thought that she might have a long bedtime feed, given her missed feed and me being fuller than usual but I was gutted that she was her usual speedy self.

Its a sad/happy time but I hope dropping the other two feeds go as smoothly.

Molly
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Post by: Aly Mac on February 28, 2008, 04:15:00 am
Molly, welcome to the thread. I know when I dropped the day times feeds I felt the same way...sad, but happy too.Sounds like your lo is doing just fine. I'm no expert but Ididn't think that dropping bf at this age would really increase their appetite for more calorie rich food.  I know it's not the case when they are younger, but no clue at this age!
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Post by: MomofCharlie on February 28, 2008, 13:59:01 pm
Hi, Molly,
I read your post with interest. I'm also new to this thread, and have been absent for about a week, so not up to date on everyone's progress... My LO is 10.5 months, and I'd like to get him down to 3 BFs a day, with a view to weaning at about 14 months. When you give your LO the sippy cup with milk, do you hold her on your lap? Sitting or laying in  your arms? My LO didn't seem to want to take his sippy cup, and til now has only taken random sips of water from it, by biting the nipple rather than sucking. He's never had a bottle, so I'm kind of wondering what type of technique to use... Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Allison
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Post by: Molly2 on February 28, 2008, 20:39:45 pm
Hi Aleesa, I know you are probably right about the weight gain. I really thought that she would gain more weight when she started eating 3 decent meals a day.  I guess I have always had this lingering guilt/suspicion that if I'd had more milk, she would have gained more.  Anyway boy have I banged on about that enough on these boards!  Well we'll see how it goes now that she can have as much milk as she likes!

Hi Alisson, At around 6mths I started giving water in the sippy, one of the really basic ones where the water just spilled out.  I would say up until around 11months she only took a few small sips with her meals and more often that not would take a big mouthful of water, grin and dribble it out!  She has reflux and has to have gaviscon with her milk.  In the earlier months I used to give it to her in a bottle mixed with 1oz of formula/EBM.  From around 9/10mths I gave it to her in an open cup (do you know the doidy cup).  She loved drinking from the open cup but it was a bit messy!  I used to give it to her sitting on my knee sort of lying back against my chest.  The first time I tried to give her milk in the sippy cup/one with spout, she wouldn't take it as she thought is was water so I had to sort of spill some on her lips and when she realised it was milk, she took to it no problem and had 4oz.  She has only now at 12mths started having say 2oz of water with some meals/non with others.  I now realise that she takes it if she wants it/is thirsty and refuses otherwise.  I'd definately recommend cuddling while you give the cup and maybe try to introduce gradually with a little bit of milk

Best of luck and let us know how you get on.

Molly
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 01, 2008, 16:05:23 pm
Hi, Molly,
Thanks! I'm not aware of the Doidy cup, so went onto ebay, found one and ordered it! I'm in Canada, and it's coming from the UK, so won't have it for a while.
As it's the weekend and DH is home, I'm having him try to give Charlie formula in the sippy cup (as I write, in fact) as I retreat to the office to hide (and BW!).
DH just shouted up, and Charlie drank 2.5 of the 3oz we offered. Hopefully we can establish the habit a little bit this weekend, before DH has to return to work. I'm going to read back and see what other tips I can pick up.
Am I awful for wanting to start to wean him?? I feel badly, but really need some freedom...

Allison
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 01, 2008, 23:00:35 pm
Hi guys, I'd love to join in...as we are coming to a close of BFing my LO Graesha. I went back to work full time at 6.5 months and have continued BF, as she takes EBM from a bottle when I'm at work. I pumped A LOT in the beginning, especially on those 12hr days (5 times :o). She is 11 months. We are down to 3 milkfeeds per day, and she is trying to drop her 1130 feed by decreasing her overall time at the breast and oz's in her bottle. I plan to wean that feed completely on the 15th/16th/17th of March when I am at work during the 1130 feed. I will get DH to just give her lunch when she wakes from her nap.

I'm sad but happy that we made it this long. I honestly thought that once I was back to work it would be done. Now that she is getting older it's hard to look at her as a baby, but more of a toddler and I think this is the right decision for us. Besides I am sooooo done with pumping. :-X

Lyndsy
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 01, 2008, 23:03:01 pm
Oh jeeze, also meant to say that I am planning to wean the bedtime feed shortly after she turns 1yo. The morning feed I will hold onto for a few months longer...we'll see how it goes.

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Post by: Aly Mac on March 02, 2008, 22:35:52 pm
in others experience, which is the easiest to wean if you are down to just morning and night?  the morning or the night feed.??? would be interested to hear which and why....

thanks
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Post by: nona on March 02, 2008, 23:44:25 pm
hey aleesa,

 i quit nursing at night b/c cade was not hungry enough for it. it was more trouble that it was worth.  i had Dh put him down for the night and he used a bottle w/ water just in case but cade refused. it was pretty easy.  now, Dh always puts cade down for bed and does his bedtime routine. it is their special time together.

the morning can be easy too b/c you can offer solids instead of the breast. our morning feed was the last to go and it just happened one morning i offered and cade gave me a book instead to read! so, that was the end of that!

for me, i was ready to get rid of the night one. at the end of the day, i was ready for some "me" time so that is another reason i got rid of that one first. 

heather
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Post by: Aly Mac on March 03, 2008, 00:56:51 am
thanks Heather.xx 
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on March 03, 2008, 15:19:00 pm
Hi Aleesa,
I had the opposite experience. I found it easier to "distract" my boy from the morning nurse. Instead of "cuddle time" in the morning, we just got up and started playing/eating etc.

Our nightime was tougher as nursing was part of our bedtime routine.
Guess it all depends on you and LO's routine.....

Hugs!
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Post by: Aly Mac on March 04, 2008, 02:43:39 am
yeh, its part of our bedtime routine too.  she gets excited (still!) when we change her for bed. she knows what's coming... that's why i always thought the nighttime would be harder, but I hear so many people saying the opposite, I thought I would ask here. ;)  Do you think it would be beneficial to start changing the routine now? so when we wean it's not a problem? like feed, but not with the lights down low etc and not in her grobag??
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Post by: SiestaNoMore on March 04, 2008, 16:33:53 pm
That's what really helped with us - was changing the bedtime routine.

Still nursed but moved it out of his bedroom and kept the lights on. We also moved it to the start of the routine - so nursed, then teethbrushing, bedtime story, singing/cuddling etc. Kept increasing the time between nursing and bedtime until we were nursing before his bath and he didn't ask to be nursed again before bed.
HTH - All the best!


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Post by: Aly Mac on March 04, 2008, 22:06:05 pm
great plan - thanks so much!
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 05, 2008, 02:14:49 am
That's what really helped with us - was changing the bedtime routine.

Still nursed but moved it out of his bedroom and kept the lights on. We also moved it to the start of the routine - so nursed, then teethbrushing, bedtime story, singing/cuddling etc. Kept increasing the time between nursing and bedtime until we were nursing before his bath and he didn't ask to be nursed again before bed.
HTH - All the best!
Thanks for that. I think that'll be our plan too! ;)
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 05, 2008, 18:28:01 pm
That does indeed sound like a great way to do it... I hope I can remember it when the time comes! Some progress for us: Charlie finally (after almost 2 weeks of trying) took one of his feedings from a sippy cup today! So that gives me a bit of freedom, down to 3 BFs a day instead of 4. It was quite funny, til today, he'd kind of bite the end of the sippy cup nipple to have the formula dribble out. Today, however, he latched onto it and sucked it out, so I think he finally understood what it was! I can't say how relieved I feel. I was beginning to think I"d be BF'ing forever!

Allison
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 06, 2008, 06:22:30 am
That's great Allison!
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Post by: Aly Mac on March 06, 2008, 22:31:27 pm
Ok, so last night I went to the movies with some girlfriends so no nighttime bf or L.  Dh put her to bed, sippy of milk on her lap and she was happy and went down a treat.   slept 12hrs at that! now my dilemna....do i go back to her nighttime feed, or drop it now as she seemed ok...i guess only i can answer that one hey  :-\  problem is I really think this weaning will be led by me.  i just can't see it being done by her...  have today to htink about it I guess.

one thing Ifound, was my breasts were quite sore all night!!  even rolling over in bed seemed uncomfortable.  what do you do when you wean a feed?  pump a bit just to relieve the pressure?  or wouldn't that stimulate too? if so, for how long???

sorry about all the questions..
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 06, 2008, 23:45:26 pm
Aleesa I had this problem when I weaned the Dream Pump. I couldn't even turn over in bed, it was like I had a couple of rock hard canteloupes under my shirt ;). I didn't pump and it was over in 3-4 days. In hindsight it would have been better to pump a touch, just to ease the pressure. It WAS about 3am when they started to engorge so I was just not into that. Since this is the bedtime feed you could pump just before you go to bed for about 2 mins. It might help.
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 11, 2008, 19:51:28 pm
Aleesa, I have been told to wear a tighter bra, which apparently will help the milk to reabsorb more quickly. HTH.

Allison
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 11, 2008, 19:53:08 pm
And a quick progress report.... my LO is now taking between 4 to 7 oz during the feeding that I have replaced with sippy cup and formula. Hooray!! Am thinking about doing the same with his other daytime feeding in the coming weeks, so that by the time he turns 1 (in mid-April), he'll be BF'ing only morning and bedtime. Any thoughts/cautions?
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Post by: lyndsy_p on March 12, 2008, 05:20:54 am
I weaned the 1130am feed quite easily while out this weekend getting my eyebrows done. DH gave her a bottle of EBM (she takes a bottle when I'm at work). The next day was the time change, so we shifted her routine an hour forward, and gave her lunch instead of milk after her 1st nap. Then DH gives her a bottle a couple hours later. I was around all weekend and she didn't blink an eye. She is teething too, so a bit more clingy.
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Post by: Aly Mac on March 12, 2008, 05:25:31 am
Yah for Graesha  ;)
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 12, 2008, 12:35:16 pm
That's wonderful! I think I may do something similar this weekend, as I'm feeling rather cooped up and think he could get by without it now.
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Post by: Giorgina on March 13, 2008, 02:17:00 am
Hello,
this is a great thread with lots of great tips.  Wondering if someone out there can help me with this.  I have weaned my 11mo old off of all but his nighttime feed (sometimes he gets another feed when he wakes up at 5am).  He now has an ear infection and has been at times inconsolable.  Out of desperation I have offered him my breast to pacify on (once today and once yesterday - about the same time).  Even though there is no milk (I think), it calmed my LO.  My question is: if I keep this up for another day or 2 will I be re-establishing my milk supply?
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on March 13, 2008, 20:12:54 pm
Your supply may well start to increase, particularly if he nurses long enough to stimulate a let down.  If it's a few minutes, maybe not though.  I've done it for a few days in a row, and when we went back to 2 feeds a day, it doesn't make me engorged or anything. I don't think it'd bring your supply ALL the way back in just a couple of days of this.
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Post by: Giorgina on March 13, 2008, 23:04:04 pm
Hi Erin,
thanks so much.  He was actually on my breast for about 20 minutes.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed but so far so good... 
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Post by: MomofCharlie on March 16, 2008, 20:12:15 pm
Good luck, Giorgina! It's quite helpful for me to read what others are doing who are further ahead of me with weaning. Hoping to remember everything as the weeks go by!

Does anyone know off the top of their head how much liquid my LO should be having? He's 11 months. And the 1 feeding when I'm offering formula, he's drinking 7 oz in like 3 minutes. Plus he still nurses 10 min per side 3x a day. Is that too much? Should I eliminate one of the BFs entirely or replace it with a sippy cup feeding? So hard to know how much he's getting from BF'ing...

Allison
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Post by: Erin (redstarfalling) on March 24, 2008, 11:35:40 am
Keep me posted, Giorgina - hope things continue to go well.

Allison - I wouldn't worry that he's getting too much fluids.... I was still BF'ing 3 times a day at 11 months too - and later.  Is he enjoying solids?  You want to have a variety and milk is still really important.

This is from the bottle feeding board:
Milk intake - what you can expect between 6 months to 12months +

At between six and nine months it is important that your baby continues to receive 530 - 600ml (18 - 20mloz) breast or formula milk per day, divided between 3 (or 4) milk feeds and inclusive milk used in food.

To ensure you baby gets the right balance of milk and solids aim for 180-240ml (6 - 8oz) milk feed first thing in the morning and one last think at night.


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At between nine to twelve months if you feel your LO's milk consumption drops too quickly and you are concerned about a low intake, additional dairy food such as fromage frais/yogurt/creme fraiche and milk sauces can be introduced into the diet. Milk intake recommendation as above.....


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From one year it is important that large volumes of milk are discouraged, as this can reduce a baby’s appetite for solid food.

At this age, you baby needs a minimum intake of 350m (12fl oz) a day, and no more than 600ml (20fl oz), inclusive of milk used in food.

Try to abandon the bottle, and offer all drinks in a straw/sippy/open cup from now on. Do encourage you child to keep up their fluid intake with water and diluted unsweetened fruit juice although drinking too much before a may considerably reduce a baby’s appetite, so offer solids first at avoid this happening.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: MomofCharlie on April 02, 2008, 13:40:21 pm
Thank you, Erin,
Since I last posted, I've been able to successfully wean Charlie from the 2nd and 3rd of his 4 nursings. Replaced them with 2 feedings from sippy cup, 8 oz each, while maintaining his bedtime nursing. So far, so good. He was a big clingy for a couple of days after I eliminated the second nursing. Then again, he did sprout 3 molars right after that, so it may have been the teething ??

Just wanted to note here, for any readers, that weaning has been quite easy for us. My LO is textbook/spirited, and right now is 11.5 months old. I began weaning him around 10 months. He hasn't really complained, although it did take us about 5 days to get him to truly take formula from  his sippy cup, but once he realized what it was, he was off to the races! I'm also not feeling the guilt I expected to feel about ceasing nursing. I had a very difficult time establishing breastfeeding, and had planned to nurse for 6 months. We had such success once established, though, that here we are just before my LO's 1st birthday, and he's not fully weaned yet. All of this to say that we did it when I think we were both ready, and feel that our BF'ing experience has been a very positive one. So if you're thinking of starting out and are worried about various things (your LO's reaction,  your feelings, etc) as I did, please be reassured that if you do it at the right time for both of you, it will work out well for both of you.

Cheers!

Allison
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: IvaDahan on April 03, 2008, 13:09:27 pm
Hi , I am new to the site, newly registered, been here before to read some help about sleeping problems, but mainly registered today while I found out that I am pregnant ( I think so ) .
I have two problems....
First - Would I love second child as much I love my first little boy ( can't express myselft from the love I have for him) and
Second: How I will manage to wean him from breastfeeding if I love it so much?

Thank you very much Iva

     

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Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: MomofCharlie on April 03, 2008, 15:43:34 pm
Hi, Iva,
Of course you'll love your second as much. I have a theory that love multiplies. The more people in your life you have to love, the more love you will have. And they will love each other, and so on. I'm an only child, and I worry about the same thing sometimes (we only have 1, and not sure if we'll have 2), but then I see the relationship between DH and his sister, and I realize that I may very well have missed out. But yes, you'll have enough to give, for sure  ;D

On the weaning front, I'm not sure what the general philosophy is on weaning on this thread, as I'm not really a regular here, but I'd make the differentiation between your love for your son and breastfeeding. Of course, you breastfed him in the first place because of your love for him, and it's given you a deep connection with each other. But now, that connection is established, and weaning him, for whatever reason (some readers may have to go back to work, or whatever) won't take away that connection. For some reason, I didn't have a hard time emotionally with weaning (and I LOVE my little guy with what I call "crazy falling love"), so I can't offer first-hand experience with what you're feeling, but if it's any help at all, I'd try to separate in my mind breastfeeding from your love for him. Taking away breastfeeding won't be taking away any of your love, and you'll both find new ways of expressing it to each other, especially with his newfound skills (my LO is just a bit younger than yours), such as his new communication skills, and running up to you and collapsing in your arms. Those types of things. And when you BF your next baby, he'll see that this connection (the breastfeeding connection) is one that is shared with his new sibling, and will give him even more connection to him/her. That's my theory, anyway!

Allison
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: IvaDahan on April 06, 2008, 09:35:08 am
Thank you Alison....

While I am only few weeks pregnant (did 3 test - all positive) , I will have hopefully enough time to wean him before new baby arrives, and to explain him that I will always love him ( he will be big brother and always our first baby) . Maybe he will wean himself due to new taste of breastmilk and if not I will slowly wean him.

Iva
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Melly* on April 13, 2008, 11:09:51 am
Hi
I have a few questions really I know every child is different but would really appreciate some advice.
My lo is 6.5 months, exc bf and appears to have given up on solid food. We weaned at just 5.2 months and managed to move onto 3 homemade meals a day (3 icecubes carrot or sweet potato etc) per feed:

6.30 am milk
8am solids and more milk
12pm solids first milk after
3pm milk
5pm solids
6.30 milk...bed!

Since what i think was a growth spurt and a small cold she seems to be refusing food, not opening her mouth and crying in the chair. I dont think she is teething? She liked the fruit for a bit and i gave her some petit felouis however since finding out how much sugar is in them I have stopped offering!!!.
Now she is feeding:
 
7am milk
8am offer solids, has some more milk
10.30 milk
12pm offer solids
1.30 milk
4pm milk
6.30pm milk...bed

The only way she was eating, was when i offered it before her milk but she then dropped her lunchtime milk feed, I assume this is too soon???
So she is off her vegetables and fruit doesn't like more than one mixed together,I have tried mixing pear and no luck.
She will have a spoonful and that is it...almost trying it out and thinking eew no thanks mum!

Soo now she is 6 months how do i introduce things like chicken etc if one she isn't even interested and two cant move off of one type of vegetable or fruit? do i keep offering different things or go back to familiar carrot etc? She seems interested in natural yoghurt (is probiotic ok??)

I have tried to go down the blw route and she is popping things in her mouth toast and carrots etc. So should i carry on with this? at the moment there isn't much going in, i assume it takes a while! Can you mix blw with spoon feeding at the same meal or is that considered too confusing?
Sorry for all the questions.
Mel
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on April 14, 2008, 09:52:42 am
Melly,

your actually on the wrong type of weaning thread but that's ok!!! This one is for weaning from breast feeding totally, not onto solid foods.  Happy to help out though.  Here are a few things:

* always give solids about an hour after milk (breast or formula).  at this age milk needs to be the main source of nutrition not food.
* take it slow - you can certainly keep going the blw route if you wish - there is a support thread in the solid food forum that is really helpful.
* you can mix blw with spoon if you wish - I did. the beauty of blw is that there are no hard and fast rules.
* keep offering new foods, ane if he wont eat it - that's fine.  he has plenty of years to enjoy food. 

Again, don't rush it - it's a process and if you rush it, he may suffer nutritionally.  And you, try to relax about the solids - there is a saying - food is for fun until they are one!

good luck - and check out the solid food forum for extra tips.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Melly* on April 14, 2008, 14:28:53 pm
Oopsy sorry but thanks for the tips!  ;D
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on April 15, 2008, 07:36:10 am
no need to apologise - the term is used interchangeably!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: lyndsy_p on April 16, 2008, 18:26:55 pm
Hi all, just wanted to share that I am weaning the PM feed for my LO who's 1yr 2weeks. I am continuing with the AM feed a while longer. She has had a bottle of EBM the last 2 nights as I work some nights, but tonight is the 1st day that I will be home with her and be giving her the bottle instead of DH. I didn't pump those last 2 nights, so I imagine there is very little milk left. I imagine I would have the best sucess if I offered the bottle in an area different than where we bf. I might just chicken out and have DH do it.

Lyndsy
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Lizziesmom07 on April 17, 2008, 14:50:30 pm
I have been slowly weaning my 1 year old since she was 10.5 months old. I have only the nursing right before bed (around 7:30pm) to go. She does well with milk from a sippy cup during the day.
My question is: Should I offer her milk from a cup at bedtime too, or should I not give her anything at bedtime?  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: lyndsy_p on April 18, 2008, 00:18:59 am
Lizziesmom, yes offer the milk in a sippy before bed if she uses it during the day. Your LO should get around 16oz dairy per day.


An update:

I didn't chicken out! I sat in the same chair (because DH gives her the bottle there too) and gave her the bottle and she didn't miss a beat. I was so relieved. It went waaaaay easier than I thought. I was so nice to be able to put head against hers as she was feeding. Physically impossible with bfing!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on April 18, 2008, 02:29:00 am
Yeh Lyndsy!!!!!  The surprise us sometimes hey?
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: lyndsy_p on April 18, 2008, 05:48:15 am
Totally Aleesa, just when you think you've got it figured out!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Lizziesmom07 on April 19, 2008, 12:32:36 pm
Lizziesmom, yes offer the milk in a sippy before bed if she uses it during the day. Your LO should get around 16oz dairy per day.



thanks!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: enna77 on April 20, 2008, 21:37:51 pm
Hi, not sure if this is the right place but have looked in FAQ and couldn't find all my answers either here or under bottle feeding.....

My DD is 6.5 months old and has been BF except for 1 x bottle of formula just before bed for the last 2 months and has also been on solids for the last 3-4 weeks.

I would now like to start the weaning process to go over to just formula and solids.

In the BWSYP she suggests still expressing for missed feeds to start with then gradually reducing the amount you express. Is this really necessary? I don't find I get too uncomfortable from just missing one feed. So thats my first question.

Secondly at the moment my BF are 7am, 11am, 3pm, then sometimes 10:00pm if she wakes then or 3 or 4am she usually does one or the other of these later ones. So which should be the first one to drop. I was thinking keep 7am BF as I will be fuller from overnight and then do 11am as FF and 3pm as BF so that its alternating. Any advice? I've probably missed something on the FAQ as I'm sure these are common questions so apologies if I'm blind! How many days should I swap only 1 feed ie say the 11am one before swapping another?

Thirdly what can I expect from my baby?, I'm probably wrongly assuming that she will just be fine as she has always taken bottles of EBM fine from early on and took the FF in a bottle fine as well. Shes quite an independent baby. I'm hoping that by the time shes weaned the 1 x NW may have stopped as it seems a lot more hassle at night to have to organise a bottle rather than BF but at night is the one time I can see her maybe getting a bit upset while she has to wait for me to sort out a bottle if she does wake and I can't settle her without feeding.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on April 23, 2008, 10:45:54 am
In the BWSYP she suggests still expressing for missed feeds to start with then gradually reducing the amount you express. Is this really necessary? I don't find I get too uncomfortable from just missing one feed. So thats my first question.
I think it really depends on how you feel Enna.  If it feels ok, then I wouldn't. Just gauge it and if it's uncomfortable then express.

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Secondly at the moment my BF are 7am, 11am, 3pm, then sometimes 10:00pm if she wakes then or 3 or 4am she usually does one or the other of these later ones. So which should be the first one to drop. I was thinking keep 7am BF as I will be fuller from overnight and then do 11am as FF and 3pm as BF so that its alternating. Any advice? I've probably missed something on the FAQ as I'm sure these are common questions so apologies if I'm blind! How many days should I swap only 1 feed ie say the 11am one before swapping another?
The order is how I weaned though not to formula as my lo was a year old, so a little different.  But your rationale is right.  I'm not sure how many days inbetween. Personally I would drop the 11am feed, and go from there.  See how she handles the change.  If she is used to bottles and some formula she may be fine.  Sorry I don't have more advice for this one.

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Thirdly what can I expect from my baby?, I'm probably wrongly assuming that she will just be fine as she has always taken bottles of EBM fine from early on and took the FF in a bottle fine as well. Shes quite an independent baby. I'm hoping that by the time shes weaned the 1 x NW may have stopped as it seems a lot more hassle at night to have to organise a bottle rather than BF but at night is the one time I can see her maybe getting a bit upset while she has to wait for me to sort out a bottle if she does wake and I can't settle her without feeding.

Kind of relates to my previous answer.  Sounds like she will be ok, but you never know. Just see how she goes.

HOpe that helps some. going to post my own questions now!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: enna77 on April 24, 2008, 03:43:19 am
thanks good to know my logic made sense!
Title: Anyone ever have a baby who didn't like milk-breast or cow?.
Post by: VNW on April 27, 2008, 00:45:31 am
I am weaning my baby who is gonna be a year old next month from breast milk to cows milk and it's getting very interesting. She has never really lbeen a big drinker and I was forced to start pumping every feed at 9 months b/c she refused the breast that early. She has been drinking my milk from a sippy cup since then and she will drink maximum 15 oz a day.  I just introduced cow's milk last week and she seemed to love it for the first two days and now she doesn't want that or my breast milk. I've been weaning her slowly-one feeding at a time, replacing it with cows milk and waiting 3-4 days and then the next feeding and so on.  She will nto drink at all. I think today she may hav eonly had 3-5 oz of milk all day. I am getting nervous about fluid intake nd dehydration so i have been giving her water which she loves, but I can't help bu stress about the nutrients that she is missing out on from the milk.  Has any one ever gone through this?  Is this just her way of protesting a "change" ( eventhough she was never "into" my breast milk before) and she'll get over it eventually?  Or could she be one of those rare babies who doesn't like the taste of milk?  Please help wiht any advice!!! ???
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on April 27, 2008, 11:15:50 am
Hi VNW - just make sure she is getting her dairy and calcium from other sources ie: cheese, yoghurt etc.  Keep offereing the milk, she may chnage her mind.  YOu don't have to swap bf for milk, so don't worry too much.  Also, give her water or her hydration.

good luck!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: ~*~Little Miss Sunshine~*~ on May 03, 2008, 16:19:23 pm
Hi VNW - have you tried mixing cow's milk with breast milk to try and acclimate her to the taste?  My ds wont' drink it straight, but if I put a couple of ounces with some BM, he'll drink it.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: kosmofitness on May 05, 2008, 03:41:50 am
Hello,
I would like to wean my baby from BF to FF in the next three weeks. I don't want to take pills to stop my milk I would prefer that it stopped gradually. She loves breastfeeding but unfortunately its has taken a toll on me and I won't be able to continue much longer. She is 7 weeks old and he has been taking supplement feeds for the past 5 weeks. In a day she consumes 8 breastfeeds, and 3 bottle feeds that amount to about 200 ml a day and she weighs about 4.8 kilos and is 58 cms. She is doing great. I would like to do this gradually so that i don't upset her, she is also a touchy baby and we are currently working on EASY and sleep issues. I am on Day 5 and she is now sleeping alone from co-sleeping for 5 weeks, taking a pacifier and sleeping at least one 4 hour stretch at night.

Thank you for any advice you may have.
 :D
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: enna77 on May 06, 2008, 09:24:59 am
Hello and welcome to BW!

To let you know I'm in the process of weaning and have done it quite gradually swapping 1 BF for 1 FF each week. I've found this has worked really well for us, I alternated the feeds that I dropped so that it wasn't too uncomfortable ie BF at 7am, FF at 11am, BF 3pm, FF 6.30pm, BF 10:30pm, BF overnight. So the first one I swapped was the 11am, then I replaced the 3pm, then the 10:30pm and now next week my last one is the 7am. When I do the first change I've sometimes pumped a very small amount to relieve pressure but have found my body adjusted pretty quickly. My LO is nearly 7 mo though (although I first introduced formula at 4 mo) so not sure if this would be any different for your younger LO - probably just that you will have more feeds to swap and may have a bit more milk so may need to pump a bit more to reduce pressure if its too uncomfortable.

Another way to do it which BWSAYP suggests is to start with you still pump the whole feed then each day pump less of the feed you missed. 

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: kosmofitness on May 07, 2008, 05:45:27 am
Thanks Enna,
I have spoken with my doc and she suggested reducing a single breastfeeding session every 3 days and that way my milk production will slow down. I have started doing so since yesterday. I hope this doesn't upset my touchy LO she is hard to deal with change.  ??? But I am sure she will get used to it.
T hank you
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Giorgina on May 08, 2008, 23:24:23 pm
Hi Allison & Erin,
Thought I'd give you an update.  I am still bf at night only.  However, my 1 year old son got another ear infection (actually in both ears) last week and was clinging to me alot.  My DH suggested I put him on my breast because the sucking motion is good for his poor ears.  So I did this for the first 3 days.  I am pretty sure that milk was coming out.   I ended up bf him 3x a day for 20 min/side as it helped him fall asleep - AP, yes I know.  I know he wasn't actually feeding the whole time but pacifying and relaxing.  I have not had any problems in the days after with my milk coming in at those times.  I feel so blessed that my body has responded to my sons needs.  Who knew?  God I love bf.  I will have a tough time when he decides he doesn't want that last one.
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: MomofCharlie on May 14, 2008, 18:01:49 pm
Hi, Giorgina,
It's wonderful that you could help him with his ear infection and that it worked out well for you, too.

Since my last post, over a month ago, Charlie totally lost interest in BF'ing, even his bedtime feeding. He would push me away, or just try to run away. So that was it. At 1 year plus 2 days old, Charlie was weaned. He didn't skip a beat, and I was emotionally ready to be finished, so hooray for us! Weaning success story, live in the flesh!

Allison
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Wendy~ on May 14, 2008, 18:40:50 pm
OK, I tried to look through this thread, but it is just too long. 

Is anyone else trying to wean a 2yo??
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on May 14, 2008, 21:55:54 pm
Wendy not that I know of.  This thread isn't really ongoing active if that makes sense.  I am on one feed a day with an 18month old??? 

If you get no responses here I would do a new post so you get the advice you need love.

good luck!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Wendy~ on May 15, 2008, 02:14:13 am
Thanks Aleesa, I did post a thread, no response yet.  I'm probably on my own LOL!!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on May 15, 2008, 03:20:35 am
surely not/???  I think RachelC bf'd nearly that long????
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: ~*~Little Miss Sunshine~*~ on May 15, 2008, 16:16:35 pm
She did but I think her LO weaned herself so I'm not sure she'll be of help, but I know the BF mods are great and I'm sure one can help out!!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Wendy~ on May 15, 2008, 21:31:58 pm
Thanks!  I've gotten some replies over in my other thread :)
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: CatWhisper on May 23, 2008, 04:37:07 am
I, too, am trying to wean a 2yo (she'll be 2 in a few days).  What/where is the other thread about it?  I dropped the daytime feeding last month and she finally seems to be over it (still asks sometimes).  The biggest problem is that I think it's more of a pacifying problem - she has never slept through the night and I've been so exhausted (and became pretty sick because of it!) that I end up bringing her to bed in the early morning hours.  I got to where she stayed in bed until 4'ish, but she began waking earlier and earlier.  As I said, I gave in (bad, I know) just because I've been so tired - so now she is waking around 1 or 2 and wants to come to my bed.  She does not give in, will not go back to sleep at all, unless she comes to my bed.  I've been up 3 hours trying to get her back to sleep - if she does it ends up being for 20-30 minutes.  I figure the bedtime feeding will be the last to go and I need to drop this bringing to bed/feeding most the night, but I seriously dread what's going to happen.  I need sleep and I need my body back.  I will miss sleeping with her, but I don't sleep well, she won't sleep with me without nursing, and I don't think she actually sleeps as well because she's constantly climbing over me to get to the other breast.  I am also hoping that if she no longer nurses at night she will have no reason to wake up and maybe, finally, sleep through the night.  Please help me!  PS - I did read that article that was posted but it wasn't very helpful - I can say those things all I want but it comes down to age - you cannot reason that well with a 2yo!
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: Aly Mac on May 25, 2008, 10:26:00 am
Catwhisper - not sure what article you are talking about (will have to look back LOL).  But have you read the chapter in BW solves all your problems pertaining to sleeping problems after a year?  (don't have it handy for now, but if you have it, you'll know the chapter).  Tracy talks about the strategy to help you with nighttimes, at this age.  You will need the support of your partner in my opinion - that helped us.  It's so hard for us to say no as mums, where my lo acts so differently with my dh, it isn't as traumatic. Plus, this will be hard to break after 2years, but can be done.

good luck
Title: Re: WEANING thread...Come and share your experiences and offer support.
Post by: lisi's mum on May 26, 2008, 18:38:23 pm
as per the 30 page rule I've locked this thread, but page 2 can be found here: www.index.php?topic=124222.0