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ACTIVITY => Activity Time & Toddler Activity => Topic started by: Gage and Sophie's Mom on April 20, 2006, 00:34:52 am
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Hiya! Gage is almost 7.5 months, and I was wondering what "typical" A times are? I just dont want to get behind because is was H*LL getting to a 4hr EASY. Gage is primarily a textbbok baby. I know all babies are different, but if I have a baseline it will be easier.
Thanks,
Alice
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Alice,
I don't know what "typical" is, but my dd is awake between 2-2.5 hours in the morning and 2.5-3 hours in the afternoon. She is then up 3.5-4 hours until bed.
HTH
~Rachel
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Thanks for response PaigeJalyn! That is about what Gage is doing. We are having trouble with early wakenings and needing a catnap. Has your dropped the catnap?
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hi stacy! Looking back at my log the early wakenings appear even when their is not cat nap. :-\ I dont know what is going on. Maybe part of problem is that after the cat nap his A time is only 1.5-2hrs. If I put him to bed early then he will wake even earlier. I think that he only needs about 11-11.5 hrs of night sleep. Or maybe I need to cut his naps short? He is only getting 3-3.5 hrs of day sleep.
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Hi Gage's Mum,
How is everything going with you?
Catherine has just over the last few weeks extended her awake time as her naps were starting to get shorter again >:( So now she is doing 3.15-3.5hrs between naps and bedtime.
Before that so between 5-8months her awake time was 2.5hrs before AM nap, 3hrs before PM nap and 3hrs before bedtime. Her night sleep has gone from 12hrs to 11/11.5hrs :( and she is now having 2 naps her morning one is now 2hrs again :o and her PM is usually 1-1.5hrs if i am lucky.
Good luck
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Gage's Mom,
We dropped the catnap some time ago... it was too much of a fight. Jalyn's A time at the end of the day is up to 4 hours (she typically wakes at 3/3:30 from nap and is up until bed at 7)
~Rachel
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Alice
Our A time is;
3hrs to 1st nap from waking
3 - 3.5hr between nap 1 & 2
sometimes 4.5hr+ to bedtime, refuses a catnap and will not sleep at bedtime if I do not wake him from his last nap before 4pm. ::)
Today we where 3 then 4 then 4 hours, his 1st nap was 1.5hrs and so was the 2nd :D
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Thanks ladies! We took our first long trip (which I was totally nervous about) today and Gage slept in car for 45 min :o Each day we gain a little more freedom ;D Anyway my bub was up for about 5 hrs before bed, and he seemed fine in fact too fine. I really couldnt tell he was even tired! He has been asleep for almost and hour and all is well so far. Cross your fingers for us.
P.S. 5 hours is too long right? I wonder if it was because he was in the car for 2+ hours and not burning much energy. :-\ Oh well what ever works right.
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Stacy
Here was yesterday;
Wake 0615 >:(
E 0730 - not hungry straight away
A
S 0915 - 1030 1hr 15min
A
E 1200
A - had to ext a little for clinic, wanted to get him weighed - hadn't done for ages
S 1420 - 1620 1 hr 50min
A
E 1630
A inc bath @ 1900
E 1920 ish 10oz
S Last night 1950 (mostly in cot awake for 1930 - 1945 sometimes sleeps straight off, sometimes 20mins and a little fussing)
Still wakes bright as a button at 5am probably 3 out of 7 mornings >:( >:( >:( and I need to get him back to sleep, any suggestions?? bearing in mind he refuses a catnap and will not sleep at bedtime if I do not wake him from his last nap before 4pm. Last week his nap ended at 1645 and he refused to sleep until 2030 ::) on those evenings I put him in his cot awake and leave him to settle to sleep with himself.
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Stacy he always goes for a nap after 3hours in the morning, any earlier he wants to play - he is like a light at the 3hr mark, jumping about 1 minute then out for the count sleeping.
The othr monring I woke at 4am (for the loo) I thought I would be smart and try W2S, when I peeked in his door his leg where up in the air (still sleeping a think) so I gave it a miss.
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When you suss out the early morning wakings Lauren make sure you pass on the secret! Zander's getting up at 5.45/6 every day - little monkey ::) I've been thinking about wake to sleep but I'm doing it for his naps at the moment so might give it a miss for a while. For his pm nap I did wake to sleep - he definitely stirred, in fact he opened his eyes and rolled over, and he still woke at the 40 minute mark and I had to get him back to sleep, grrrr!
Alice - Zander would go 3 hours before his first nap but I try to make the first A time of the day the shortest so he's been going down after 2.5 hours and usually has a good nap. His A time until his second nap is 3.5 hours and his last A time is too long because he's up so early in the morning! I'm planning to put him to bed at 6.30pm tonight to see where that takes us - he'll probably be up from his pm nap at around 3pm so that will be another 3.5 hours. Tomorrow he'll have to have a short am nap as we have an appointment for a portrait sitting so it will be interesting to see how this affects his day - it's kind of forcing me to experiment a bit!
Kelly x
Kelly x
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What does everyone reckon is a decent 'A' time from last nap to bedtime???
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how old is Kaleb?
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Well ladies, I had an interesting day yesterday. Gage usually wakes between 5:30-6:15 (It must be an age thing) and very rarely at 7:15. Anyway, like I said we had our first big trip yesterday so I have no choice but to put him to bed at 6:00 which I am so fearly of doing as Gage is already an early bird. I was shocked to find that Gage slept until 7:15 :o with a 2am feed (his eating wasnt great that day).
Here is yesterdays schedule:
6:15 wake
8:40 sleep
10:30 wake
12:30 sleep in car
1:18 wake
6:00 bed
2am feed
7:15 wake
I think his nap lengths made him more tired to sleep through until 7am. He only had 2hr 15 min with a VERY long A time before bed. Maybe our early risers only need around 2 hrs. Just a thought.
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I put Zander to bed at 6.30 tonight and he was asleep by 6.45 so I'll see what that brings!! Looks from this evening that a 3.75-4 hour final A time would suit us but I wanted to get an early night in and see what happens. Lucky you getting a lie in!
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I"m going to try what you all are doing. we are having the hardest time with everything...mine is an energizer bunny too. won't lay down in the crib and wants to be up jumping around.
so I'm correct in trying 2.5 hours first A time, 3 hours and next, and maybe 4 hours after that. We have been going 4 hours before bed a couple of days, but bedtime was at 7:30. I may try the earlier.
today, very crappy naps so she's napping right now and it's 4:$5 :o I may be in for it, but she only took 45 minute morning and 30 minute afternoon, woke at 2, I didn't think there was anyway she was going to make it.
I'm eager to hear kelly how it went for early bedtime.
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I'll pop in here and say that I'll be keeping a very interested eye on how you gals do. Theron is just about 2-2.5 hours A time right now. Good luck!
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I meant 4:45..didn't mean to add the dollar sign there... ???
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Catherine usually does 3.5hrs before bed no worries but can do 4hrs if she wakes early from her nap (no chance of a cat nap for us).She is pretty flexible she can do 3.5-3.75 before AM depending when she wakes and then 3-3.5 before PM nap.
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I think the early bedtime went well - he didn't sleep in much later (6.10am as opposed to 5.45am the day before) but of course he got more sleep because he was in bed sooner! Tonight he's in bed at 6.30pm again - at least I get my glass of wine early ;D
I just wrote this on another post;
Today was interesting because we went out and Zander had all his naps in his carseat (it went surprisingly well and I managed not to be too uptight about it!). We had to stretch his first A time to 3 hours because that's when we had to go out and he was quite cranky but went to sleep easy enough in the car. At exactly 40 minutes his eyes pinged open (like when they give somebody an adrenalin injection for a drugs overdose on films - a la Pulp Fiction!) but he was quite happy. We went and had his portraits done (no smiles today!) and then went out for lunch and by the time we got back in the car he'd been awake 3.5 hours and he zonked out. I told DH to take a scenic route home and we made a 30 minute journey into 1 hour 40 minutes and Zander slept the whole time - he just took a deep breath after 40 minutes but didn't wake up :D So I'm thinking maybe I should go with this pattern for his naps. The only thing I don't want to do is let him wake at the 40 minute mark because I think that reinforces waking at the end of the first sleep cycle, so maybe I'll make it 35 minutes and get him down for his second nap after around 3 hours. What do you think? The last 2 nights he's been going to bed at 6.30pm due to his 6am wake ups and this morning he slept a little later (6.10am whereas the day before was 5.45am). I've put a blanket over the top of his curtain rail tonight to block the light out and I just went in to see him because he was struggling to settle and I couldn't see him! So I just stood by the cot and reassured him with my voice and it worked - it seems like mummy does have a magic voice afterall!
Kelly x
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It has taken me all day to log on routine on MS excel (yes, i am sad) but I am fed up with these early wakings :'(
I am in two minds today, his early wakings are caused by;
1. Is he is an overtired sleep cycle that we can get out off? And he really should be getting more sleep (like his mum)
2. Is his routine just beeding tweaked a little (don't know where) and he is a naturally just a baby with a low-need for sleep (like his dad)
I have been thinking about this ALL day, he woke from his 2nd nap at 1515, so I took the decision (because he would not take a catnap) to put him to bed for 7pm.
I am going to post on the 'getting back on track' forum, as I also feel it is spiralling out of my control since being back at work. ???
??? confused ???
Lauren
P.S the main things I noticed since I sat all day and looked at his routines is that the early waking been consistent since;
1. Calum dropped the catnap
2. Calum extended his 'A' time to 3hr and sometimes onwards
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Lol Lauren - I put my EASY routines on MS Excel this week too! It'll probably be all I'm capable of by the time I go back to work.
I think both your suggestions are possibilities for Zander's early wakings too so I'm sticking with the early bedtimes for at least a few days to see how it helps. In the past I've tried something like this for one day and decided it doesn't work but I think things need time to work so I'll give it a while longer. Also, Zander will quite happily (or at least fairly happily) go longer with his A times than I've been giving him this week. Eg. he will go 3 hours or so for his first A time but when I started putting him down at 2.5 hours his first nap was so much better - I think once he shows tired signs we're too late. I was thinking today that when he woke at 7am he went to bed at 7pm and now he's waking much earlier I've still been putting him to bed at 7pm so I've been expecting him to be awake an hour longer - at the same time he's been increasing his A times and decreasing the amount he naps during the day. It must be tough being back at work too - I'd give you a big hug if I was there ... actually you'd probably think I was deranged as you wouldn't have a clue who I was!!
OK - I've had a glass of wine and am talking nonsense, better go and make dinner.
Kelly x
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You have made me laugh at least ;D ;D ;D
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Not only are my sleep logs in Excel, but they're linked to a compound bar graph that shows his awake and asleep periods over 24 hours ::)
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Lol Katy!!
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You'll need to tell us how to do that :P
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I could probably figure out a template and attach it as a file if you really want... ;)
LOL, can't you just tell that Theron is having a longer-than-45-minutes nap right now. I evidently have too much time on my hands! I really should go and get cleaning.... my F-I-L is coming to stay for a week...
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You guys are so funny :D I love that you have it all mapped out.
so she woke at 5 and I put her back to sleep and she woke at 5:30. Fed her and she slept until 7.
I tried the 2.5 hours A time this morning and I got a 30 minute nap. Then cranky panties all morning. Then went to put her down today at almost 3 hours and she played in her crib forever.....and is now down for a nap.
yesterday was awful. 45 minute in the morning and 30 in the afternoon.
I'm seriously losing it with the naps. I wouldn't be if I had nightime all figured out. Can you all monitor my naps and give me a report? ;) I have to say, today I give up. I feel like I've done everything, well not everything, but everything I have the stamina to do. I don't get it ???
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Oh Kate, I have a hug here for you too! Sometimes when it gets too stressful it helps if you can switch off for a day or two and then approach it again with a fresh mind (and attitude!). We're here for you when you need to go through all the possibilities again ???
Kelly x
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Hi Guys,
I definatly think it is an age thing i am still trying to work out Catherine's awake times, it makes it really hard she doesn't often show tired signs to busy playing. The morning is ok she will do 3.15-3.5hrs before AM nap and sleep for 2hrs. However the PM is generally the problem i have been putting her down 3hrs after waking from AM nap and she has been waking after 45mins the last few days. However she had her PM nap at my parents yesterday and they put her down a bit earlier and she slept for 1.5hrs :o
Anyway i am going to try putting her down earlier today and see how it goes (fingers crossed)
I also have kept a log of Catherine's routines since she was 2weeks old and it has been very helpful.
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thanks kelly, I think I will take a couple of days and then approach it on monday. I think we need to stick to just under 2.5 hours in the morning. I think I also need to stick with time, say 9 and 1. Hopefully something will kick in. She can only go so long without good naps????
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Hello ladies! I am so glad that I am not the only one with the HUGE log. I would love to put into an excel or graph format. It has been so long since I messed aound with that program. I am a little type A personality... okay a lot. :D
Anyway, I cant help but think that these early risers need less day time sleep. I dont know, but this dillema reminds me of when we hadnt switched to a 4 hr EASY. At that time Gage was waking at all hours on the night just farting around. I am going to try to limit Gage's nap amount to around 2hrs. I am going to try this for about a week. I will let you know how it turns out.
Today Gage had 2.5, 4.0, and 4.0 of activity time :o This a little boy who had a h*ell of a time getting past 45 min! Also, he fell asleep in the car and the stoller for the first time this weekend! Wooohoooo freedom here we come! Oh and he cut his first tooth today! Has anyone else lo cut teeth yet?
kat1jk, I can't remember did we already look at your schedule? If not post it and I will look at it.
Zandersmummy, I like the wine idea! It sounds like a good way to clear the mind. ;)
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Today Gage had 2.5, 4.0, and 4.0 of activity time This a little boy who had a h*ell of a time getting past 45 min!
Our guy couldn't stay up past 1.5 last month! Now we're at about 2.0 regularly. We've had a 3.5 and a 4.0 in the past week or so and it's been fine -- a little overtiredness, but nighttime sleep not affected; it's the last period of the day when by the log he should really need a nap, and we've put him down, but he's made it clear he doesn't want one. :o Of course, were I to actually try and keep him up for that long, there would be hell to pay. ::)
Oh and he cut his first tooth today! Has anyone else lo cut teeth yet?
Theron has two poking straight up, and we suspect two more about to cut through. Night wakings consist mainly of applications of orajel, and that seems to settle him back down (touch wood!).
I'll muck around with the spreadsheet and see what I can put up. Maybe I should copyright it and make my fortune lol ;D
Boy, a glass of wine sounds good even to this teetotaller. Think I'll join you in a chocolate slainte instead!
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we are cutting our 4th tooth today. I think that is our problem today. I also think we need to work out our feeding. We had switched to BF after solids and most of the friends I know do that. Books I've read recommend that, but I think it is cutting into her intake of BM. So our current schedule looks like this (on a good day, not today)
7 a.m. Wake/Nurse
9:30 - 10:30 Sleep
10:30 Solids
11:00 Nurse
1/1:30 Sleep
2:30/3 Solids
3:30 Nurse
5 Solids
7 Nurse
So today I swtiched to doing BF 1 hour before solids. But when should they do all at one. Lauren, are you doing them all at once? (I should really move this to Eat board)
so tomorrow I'll continue with nursing before to make sure she is getting enough...this may be our night waking???? so confused.
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i personally b/f an hour before solids; currently on four b/f and two solids in 24 hour period. will probably move up to three solids here pretty soon. i guess i always felt it important to fill him up on milk and let him take the solids if he was still hungry, rather than vice versa. that'll change in a couple of months when he's eating more solids and getting more of his nutrients from them as opposed to me, i think.
today though DS had solids at 1pm, his medicine at 2pm and b/f at 2.30pm -- just the way our schedule worked out. and i could definitely tell that he didn't b/f as much.
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This was our routine yesterday;
6am
E730
A
S0945 (opening his curtains after 1hr. he woke 15mins later)
E1200
A
S1345 - 1hr 20min
E1630
A inc bath
E1850
S1900
he woke at 1940 screaming - I had to resettle with a hand on his chest and he was off again Smiley
0430 he woke and starts talking loudly - (if this has been his 'normal bedtime of about 1945 it would have made it it 0515 and of course we would have brough him in with us because it was so close to the 6am mark IYKWIM) - I went to him after 30 min of talking progressed to crying, I changed his nappy and sat with him and "sang" winnie the pooh to him, he was starting to cuddle in but still wide awake and watching everything.
I decided just to put him back in his cot, he had no intention of returning to sleep at that point, he wasn't cry either - so I put his pooh lightshow on and went back to bed. I think he fell asleep again about 0530 ???
I then woke at 0730 (bit more civilised) and went through, as soon as he heard me the eye sprung open. I think in all he had 9.5hrs from 7pm to 0430, then max another 2 until 7am = 11.5hr, because everything was shifted back 45mins to 1hr, it was easier for him to go back to sleep until 0730. I ideally I want him to cut out the 1hr waking and move him bedtime back to 1930ish if he needs 11.5 hours Huh
So my thoughts are now;
1.caught in a cycle of tiredness - I know its only been 1 night, however Dh and I noticed straightaway he is happier and actually talking again today (although he's only been up an hour), depending on how todays naps go I will put him to bed earlier again, although it may be because he is up at a sensible time, his naps will be later anyway and I won't be playing catch-up at the end of the day resulting in a huge 'A' time.
Today Gage had 2.5, 4.0, and 4.0 of activity time This a little boy who had a h*ell of a time getting past 45 min!
Our guy couldn't stay up past 1.5 last month! Now we're at about 2.0 regularly. We've had a 3.5 and a 4.0 in the past week or so and it's been fine -- a little overtiredness, but nighttime sleep not affected; it's the last period of the day when by the log he should really need a nap, and we've put him down, but he's made it clear he doesn't want one. :o Of course, were I to actually try and keep him up for that long, there would be hell to pay. ::)
Katriona - would you mind posting your routine? your LO is not that much older than Calum. Your post above about the jump in A times is like us a bit, I have posted my log, had to transfer to PDF, becasue you can't upload excels docs ::) ::)
Kelly/Kate - I went to bed after the film last night about wetting myself with laughter about your posts (I think the wine had something to do with it as well ???)
Alice - what is your routine like now, how muach Nap time does Gage get?
Natasha - funny you should mention that about he PM nap, CAlum usually goes 3hr but yesterday she started rubbing his eyes at 2.5hr, so I whisked him up to bed, he played for 15mins then fell asleep for 1hr 20min.
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Sucess today she slept 2x1.5hr naps a very happy Mum ;D This is how it looked today:
6.30am - Wake
Eat
9.45am - Nap 1.5hrs
Eat
2.15pm - Nap 1.5hrs
Bath
Eat
7.15pm - Bed and is now asleep it is 7.25pm.
So that is: 3.15,3 and 3.5hrs very happy with that lets hope she sticks to it.
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Cool - 8)
Calum went down after 2.75hrs 1st 'A' time ;D
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You're all doing better than me today - Zander slept until 6am (so 11.5 hours too Lauren!) then went down at 9am (left DH in charge so he was overtired but so was I so I stayed in bed!) but only slept for 45 minutes and he's just gone down again at 1pm and is pretty tired again. I'm going to have to force him to make this a long nap - oh, what fun!
Kelly x
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I'll cross my fingers but I think I am on to something. Gage had 2hrs 15 min of nap and slept 12hrs again! I hope this is not a fluke. Anyway this what yesterday's schedule looked like.
6am wake ::)
8:30 sleep
9:15 wake (usually on do 3.5 hrs of A time, but we were out and about)
1.10 sleep
2:40 wake
6:50 bed
6:52 wake :o
I am going to keep this up for a week or so and see what I can find out. I am afraid to limit his naps as if this is not the solution then I may train to wake early. Any thoughts on this?
Kat1jk, I had a huge struggle (knock on wood) to Gage to eat solids and formula. I started feeding him solids between 1.5-2.0 hrs after formula and he eats so much more. He still isnt much of a breakfast eater but I still offer it anyway, but come time for dinner he chows. Let me tell you this is so new! He ate like 6oz of solids for dinner the other night! Anyway, this stopped the night wakenings. I closely monitor his intake and make sure he is getting enough as he was eating ALL night. In fact, when I tried other means to get him to sleep he kept waking up. I know it is hard to keep track when you are breast feeding, but maybe the gals in the bf forum can help. Gage eats between 28-34 oz of formula plus solids. I am willing to bet this is the prob. Also, your routine looks good. How old is your lo again? I am assuming around 6-7 mths. If around 7 mths I might try to extend 2nd A time to 3hrs, but other than that looks good. Just some thoughts.
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Well this is us so far today;
W0730 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (after being awake @0430 for 1hr :o)
E0730
A (2.75hr)
S1015-1130 - 1.25hr
E1200
A (2.25hr) I put him to bed a tad early
S1345 -1430 (DH woke him up, I spent 45min trying to extend and got another 45min) until 1600
E1630
A inc bath @1830
E1850
S in cot awake at 1900 ( and STILL bl@@dy awake !!!)
........1940 - still awake
........1950 - still awake and crying (tears and all!!)
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He's not impressed with the 7pm bedtime today then Lauren! Do you think it could be because he woke later that morning as well as waking from his pm nap fairly late? I wonder if there's an optimum time from wake up in the morning until bedtime - for us it used to be 12 hours, maybe a little longer now Zander's older? We got this today;
6am Wake and BF
8am Breakfast
9am - 9.45am Nap (should have been earlier, was probably ready for his nap at around 8.30am - it all falls apart when I have a lie in but I'm still grateful for it!). Initially re-settled fairly easily but woke after another 5 mins and I knew all hope was lost!
11am BF - Offered this feed as we weren't at home and I knew he was getting hungry for his lunch
12pm Lunch
1pm - 2.30pm Nap
2.30pm BF
4.45pm Dinner
6.20pm BF
6.45pm Asleep in bed
He was pretty exhausted by 6pm but we were at my mum's for dinner. I'm going to go with Zander's natural rhythm of a short nap in the am and then a long nap in the pm and see where this gets us! I'm also toying with using WTS tomorrow morning.
Kelly x
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Just went back in, put an hand om him and he was out like a light ::) ::) ::)
.....it all falls apart when I have a lie in but I'm still grateful for it!
mmmm.. is this a new concept?? Not had a lie-in in a lllooooonnnngggg time :P
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I always keep on at DH to let me have a lie in on one of the days at the weekend - he doesn't offer but I make darn sure it happens!!
Kelly x
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gage's mom, I've started to do that with solids. I think at night I might increase it. she is 7.5 months and eating alot. She never seems to get full with solids, so maybe I should keep offering more.
this morning was weird, she woke at 6:30 and I let her play in her crib. At 7 we nursed and she was out like a light ??? So I laid her back down and she slept for 30 minutes ??? Then she was only up for 2 hours. I've noticed in the past that 2 hours and 10 minutes seems to do the trick. 3 hours for the next and 4 before bed. We tried an early bedtime last night and not so good...I think I may have said that...and so tonight, our usual 7:30. I think I'll work on the bedtime tweeking after we end the night feeds.
thanks for all the help ladies
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So today he was up at 0630 :-\
I think it is an improvement, because there were no cry outs after 20/40minutes & no night wakings.
Just up happy and squealling at 0630 :)
I will try early to bed again tonight
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That sounds good Lauren!
This morning Zander woke at 5.30am and really wouldn't settle and I could tell he was hungry so I gave him half of his first feed and put him back down - by 6.30am it was clear he was having none of that so I brought him into our bed to give him the rest of his feed. I feed him lying down so we must have both fallen asleep because the next thing I remember we both woke up in bed at 8.45am!! The weird thing is that he started to look tired at about 9.30am and is already having a nap at 10am - today will be a funny day I think!
Kelly x
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Wow, that sounds like a good lie in, Kelly! We were up for an hour in the night, which was eventually resolved by some Tylenol -- I don't think the Orajel was able to help with his teething pain. It may also have been due to a late bedtime last night -- DH wanted us to go to some colleagues' for dinner, and even though Theron had woken at 3.15pm, we went. I put my foot down and insisted that we left at 6.40pm, but it was still 7.30pm before he finally was home and asleep, albeit with a sneaky 10 minute nap in the car on the way home.
DH was all "so sorry that we have to be rude and eat and run." We were there for almost 2 hours! These people have had seven kids between them. I think they can remember what it was like. ::) And this was with him saying to me before we left "don't worry, we'll follow Theron's cues and leave as soon as we have to."
He was fussing a little from 5am onwards, but we both woke up for good at 6.45am. He was just about able to make 2 hours this morning before going down again. We'll see what the day brings...
Hope it goes well/better for you gals!
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Gage slept until 7:15 am :o and had 2.5 hrs total nap time.
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That's great Alice! What does your new routine look like?
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we slept in until 6:45 :( but had a two hour nap this morning. For us, I have figured that we need to head to wind down at 2 hours, in bed at 2 hrs 10 minutes and then she plays in crib for 10 minutes and is asleep. I don't know if it's because she's over tired, but i think we'll try this for a while.
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Ok this was Calums routine today;
W0630
E0745
A (total A time 3.25hr)
S0940 - 1100 (put into his cot @0915 for wind-down)
E1215
A (total A time 3.5hr)
S1430 - 1520 (50min in buggy)
E1615
A inc. bath (total A time 3.5hr)
E1830
S1850 - went out like a light :D
Total 'A' time 10.25 :-\
Naps 2hrs :-\
No wake up after 20 / 40mins after being in bed ;D ;D ;D
Lauren 8)
P.S - I hope I am not posting here tomorrow to say he woke at 5am or something :o :o :o
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Lauren - are all your feeds during the day spaced 4.5 hours except the last one?
For your A times, are you all staying home? AFter wake up in the morning, what do you all do? I find we don't get dressed for the day until after the first nap, this makes for a lazy day. Do you guys get up and dressed and go out or just lay low for the first morning A time?
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Hello again ladies! Sounds like things are going well for most of you. I would love to go out for the first A time as Gage is becoming more whiny, but I just bring myself to go out without a shower. I think this it is best for everyone :) Anyway, I try to get out as much as possible nearly every A time for a walk around the block or lake or window shopping etc. Does anyone else's babe whine? Oh Gage is driving me CRAZY with it ::) I just dont know what to do.
Today we had 1hr 45 min of nap time, which is not by MY choice.
7:15 wake ;D ;D ;D
9:42 sleep
10:20 wake
2:15 sleep
3:20 wake
7:00 sleep
I hope he is not overtired tonight. I should have given him a catnap, but it gets to be so late in the day. IYKWIM
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Eloise is starting to whine in the evening and it is starting to drive me crazy too. We are looking for toys to occupy. Any suggestions?
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I know, we are looking for toys too. RIght now we are using the all time favorite johny jump up, activity center, leeap frog learning toy, bubbles (if all else fails this works like a charm!), roll small 4 square ball back and forth (while Gage sits up), bouncer with hangingg things (not so fond of anymore), and little odds and ends. I try everything to entertain, but I think he should be able to play alone for a little bit. how long can eloise (love the name, it so feminine) play be herself?
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Kate/Alice - Calum was whinging last week, this was what lead me to beleive he was overtired becasue it REALLY wasn't like him (but whinging can be due to other things too.......
Well last night we woke at 0430 :o and was awake for 1hr, he was then woken up by the shower at 0615. So I have been in tears already this morning , not just due to that but that just topped it off as far as I was concerned. :'(
Kate - I usually try and stay in the first 'A' time, if we go out for the day it is easier for me to go when he wakes from his 1st nap and feed when I am out. Yes, he does 4.5hr and still CF's to an extend in the evening we have alwayds done it - that is his hungriest time.
Lauren :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Sorry you're feeling down today Lauren, I hope things get better for you soon.
Our first A time consists of Zander sitting in his walker whilst I have my breakfast and do the hoovering (I have to do this every morning as there is dog hair everywhere!). Then he plays on the floor for a while (because it's nice and clean by now!) whilst I make his breakfast. Then he has his breakfast and then plays on his own in his cot whilst I get showered and dressed and then it's time for his nap. During his nap I do the clothes washing and load and unload the dishwasher and then come on here for a while before he wakes up 40 minutes later!! When he wakes up today I'll get him dressed and give him a bf before we go to our Boogie Babies class - this finishes at 12 so we'll hurry home for him to have his lunch and then it's time for his nap - hopefully a long one this time and I do a little more housework. I've been cr@p at housework since Zander was born so I've given myself one task to do each day during his pm nap and once that's done I can have some guilt free time on the computer. Another bf and maybe a snack when he wakes up and then in the afternoon we either play at home or visit my parents or go for a short walk, then it's time for his dinner, bath and book, bf and bed - then time to cook our dinner and have a well deserved glass of wine :)
Last night was the best in ages! He went to bed at 6.20pm and woke this morning at 6.10am with no wake ups. In fact, he was so quiet I was worried something was wrong ::) When I went in this morning he wasn't crying (can't remember the last time he didn't wake up crying either!) he was just led on his tummy and smiled when he saw me. He was so hungry, he had his mouth open like a baby bird from the moment I got him out of his bed until the moment I latched him on. Yesterday we only had about 1hr15 of naps which isn't something we'll be trying to replicate to get another good night's sleep but I am going with the short am nap and long pm nap today to see where that gets us.
Zander whines when he's tired - sometimes he yawns and/or rubs his eyes but he always whines. I find it so frustrating that I'm the only one who seems to notice so I'm sure if I wasn't here he wouldn't get put to bed when he was tired.
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sorry lauren - I hate it when the day starts out that way.
I'm glad i'm not alone in waiting to get the day started after first nap.
Gage's mom - thanks, I love her name too :) She plays really well by herself. In the morning I go in and bf, then we used to have this great mobile but we had to take it down becuase she could reach it :(, so now I put her back in her crib and put on some music and lay some toys in her crib for her to play with. This usually means she's trying to pull herself up on the sides of her crib. I go downstairs and make coffee, get breakfast and set up the house for her play. I grab her from the crib and we play downstairs on the floor. Sometimes in her saucer but most of the time she's crawling around. Then about 10 minutes before bed I turn on a baby einstein to get her relaxed. We only watch about 10 minutes. Then we read and to bed. She is actually very good about playing by herself, she always has been.
Lauren - I understand about housework. I had to make a schedule for myself with one task each day. And I promised myself that everynight before bed I would have a clean sink. No dishes left there. It makes for a peaceful morning. Today is laundry day. I don't do DH's laundry so it's just me and eloise. (he's picky about what get's washed and dried. Fine by me, I never have to do his laundry :))
i did the same as yesterday so hopefully that will bring about a good am nap. I did give me a 20 minute catnap yesterday and she had no wakeup's until 11:30. This is an improvment from the every 40 minutes ??? She has a cold now too, so no pushing the sleep. We are nursing twice now to get the fluids in and get rid of it.
good luck with the sleep tonight
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hi ladies,
we had a pretty good night. theron was crying when we put him to bed at 6.30pm, but i think this is more because mommy had perfume and make-up on, so he knew something was up (my FIL was babysitting; DH and i had our first date in 7 months!!). i trusted FIL, so was happy to leave him even upset. FIL apparently gave him some cuddles, told him it was time for sleep, laid him in the crib, prayed over him (he's a pastor), and theron quietened down and went to sleep! wow. i wonder if i can convince FIL to stay longer than a week :D
we'd given theron a tylenol suppository for his cutting teeth which probably helped to. he was crying at 5.15am, so i went in and fed him -- 20 minutes on one side. he was hungry! -- then back to bed, and he slept till 7am. i think it was daddy getting ready for work that woke him so early this time ::)
looking at my log yesterday, we had three naps totalling 2 hours 20 mins, 2 hours of A time before the first nap, and 3 between the last nap and bedtime. for some reason after the first 1.5 hour nap, it was a real struggle to even get that second A time to 1.5 hours. i'd been hoping he could pull a long one after such good rest! oh well. i'm sure the mystery will resolve itself with time.
our first A time is generally indoors. we get up, b/f and change diapers. then we walk around the house opening up all the curtains and looking out the windows to see what's happening in the world. then i put theron in his walker in the front room while i pump some milk for his breakfast. i walk him into the kitchen (saying "exterminate, exterminate" because he reminds me of a little dalek in his walker!) and get our breakfast ready, then we eat together. he eats in his bouncy seat because we haven't yet got a high chair for him :-[ after breakfast i snap on the bouncy seat's toys, and we hang out in the kitchen while i clean up from the day before ( ::) ) and put the dishwasher on. then we sit out on the porch with a sippy cup of water for him, and watch everyone going up and down our hill. he loves to watch the cars, and people walking their dogs. about half an hour before i think his nap will need to be, we go into the bathroom, and i take a shower while he lies on his changing mat playing with his toes (i know this will have to change once he starts moving around more!). then it's theron's bathtime, and by the end of that he's pretty much ready for his naptime routine, and it's into his crib, and he's out within 10 minutes.
wish i could say that i used naptime to catch up on that housework, but the computer is always calling... actually kelly, you inspired me to throw on a load of laundry this morning as i walked back in from the porch! i don't mind doing it, it's folding it and putting it away that i hate... as a result we have baskets of clean laundry all over the house lol :o
hope your day gets better lauren. good sleep luck to all you gals!
katy
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Katy - perhaps the power of prayer is what we all need?! It's lovely that you sit out on your porch and watch everyone going by. Here nobody really sits outside the front of their house, just in our back gardens - very unsociable! I didn't say I actually ironed and put our laundry away, I just get it clean! DH likes to do his own ironing (apparently I do it wrong) and most of Zander's stuff doesn't need it and I only wear the same outfit most days now too!
Today was weird - I had accepted that Zander was only going to have a short am nap and then a long pm nap so 45 minutes after he went down for his am nap I went in and drew the curtains and undid his sleeping bag and started putting stuff in his drawers and cupboards - he stayed asleep for another half an hour until 10am (total 1 hour 15 mins) even with this all going on! I thought he'd probably wake at 40 minutes in the afternoon so I went in after 30 to do wake to sleep but he was already in a light sleep and woke up when I walked in and I had to get him back to sleep. After that he screamed out in his sleep but had another 1 hour 40 mins - a total of just under 3 hours all day :) I was hoping we might make it to a 7pm bedtime tonight but he was very fussy through his bath and book and sleepy during his feed. He was asleep in his cot by 6.40pm so a little later than yesterday. It seems a night full of sleep is what he needs to nap well the next day - I wonder if he'll manage it tonight. I gave him 4 breastfeeds today as well as a snack which I hope will help with his hunger.
I still haven't done my job for the day - dusting and polishing - so I'm off to do it now before DH gets home from work.
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Today we had...
W0615 :'(
E0715
A (total A time 3hrs)
S0915 - 45mins (his g/dad took him out in the buggy and he slept for another 1hr 10mins)
E1200
A (total A time 3.5hrs)
S1430 - 1hr
E1630
A inc. bath (total A time 4hr)
E1915
Sin bed awake at 1930, sleeping by 1940 :D
Total 'A' time 10.5hrs :-\
Naps 3hrs :D
Wake ups ??
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Hope you don't mind me jumping in on the post here ;D I just have to say it is so nice to come on this website and everybody understand what A time means, etc. I can totally relate to charting the schedule, you all made me laugh so much as I read through this!!! Just wanted to ask you all when you noticed that there long nights got a little bit shorter? Ella sleeps from 7-7:30am very consistently, sometimes she wakes up early, talks to herself and then goes back to sleep but never cries for me to get her in the morning. When will she change from doing the 12 hours at night to needing less like 11? Did any of you find a big difference between them from 6-7.5 months. Hope you are all well and I will keep following all your updates :)
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Just wanted to ask you all when you noticed that there long nights got a little bit shorter? Ella sleeps from 7-7:30am very consistently, sometimes she wakes up early, talks to herself and then goes back to sleep but never cries for me to get her in the morning. When will she change from doing the 12 hours at night to needing less like 11? Did any of you find a big difference between them from 6-7.5 months. Hope you are all well and I will keep following all your updates :)
hiya & welcome
After studying mY log last weekend it definately happened with the dropping of the catnap, which meant longer 'A' time = OVERTIREDNESS ::)
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Don't listen to Sarah - I've seen Ella's routine and we'd all be sick with envy, she even gets to go to Starbucks every day for a Frappuccino with her :) Only joking Sarah but seriously I wouldn't worry about things until they happen then you know we're all here for you ;)
Kelly x
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Thanks Kelly, yes I know worrying before I even need to ;D I miss my Starbucks this week due to rain :P
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Welcome Sarahboh! You know I think it was the opposite for us.... the early wake ups started around 6mths and we still had the catnap. In fact I been limiting nap lenghts and this seems to be helping (knock on wood). Gage slept until 7:15 again. Now, I need to figure out the eating dillema. ::)
Gage has been doing this whining thing for some time now. I think it is out of boredem. It is driving me BATTY!!!!! It starts after only an hour into A time. I have tried changing the scenery, playing with him, and telling him no all of which are only temporary fixes. I cant help but thhink I am encouraging this some how. ::)
Calum's mom, I think our routines are very similar. I am glad to hear things are going a bit better.
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Stacy i thank god everyday to the person that invented the JOLLY JUMPER. I was totally against them in the beginning but alot of freinds have told me they are perfectly safe and Catherine loves to stand up so we gave it a go.
It is the best thing i ever bought for her i think, i put her in it at the end of the day for 30mins before bath time as it picks her up and is happy enough until bedtime.
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You'll have to post a picture - I haven't got a clue what a jolly jumper is!
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This is a Jumperoo -- is it the same as a Jolly Jumper?
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I thank god for the jolly jumper, the exersaucer and this inner tubey thingy I have that she sits in and entertains herself! She is very whiney lately too during the day and it drives me a little nutty too!
Ella just went to bed after 3.5 hour A time and she was very miserable. I don't think she has ever really stayed up her whole life that long in one go ;D Went to sleep like a light but whined all through her bath, poor little thing. I guess that is what you get when your PM nap goes only 45 minutes. Hopefully she sleeps like a log tonight :)
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This is Catherine in hers when we first got it a few months ago now.
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Just wanted to lurk. We've got early AM wakeups which are manageable on workdays, but really suck on the weekend. Her schedule is wonky with daycare and practically no naps so I'm not even seeking a solution.
And, Katie wears her whiney-pants from time to time. Lately it's turned into a whiney grunt, like an "aaannngggghhh" that she just does over and over and over and over...I can't wait for this to pass.
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Eloise was really whiny right before she learned to crawl. Now it's just a series of cries from hitting her head or us moving her so she doesn't climb up the coffee table. I don't think this will go away until well after then turn 4. At least now that can't throw the terrible 3 year old tantrum ;)
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LOL ;)
Stacy he might have to get in line she has a few already lined up :P
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Really bad night last night;
Yesterday ended up as this
W0615 :'(
E0715
A (total A time 3hrs)
S0915 - 45mins (his g/dad took him out in the buggy and he slept for another 1hr 10mins)
E1200
A (total A time 3.5hrs)
S1430 - 1hr
E1630
A inc. bath (total A time 4hr)
E1915
S in bed awake at 1930, sleeping by 1940 ;D
Total 'A' time 10.5hrs :-\
Naps 3hrs ;D
Wake ups 2230 - screaming on and off for 20mins would go from moan to scream and back again - up for 45mins with him
0230 - same as above for up for 1hr again with him
Woke up this morning at 6am
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Lauren - interesting that you are ending a night from hell and I'm entering into one. Afraid to start the sleep for fear of getting up in 10 minutes... >:( I think I have found our culprit...more food needed... Sorry for you night... :(
have you or anyone else, thought about a later bedtime. I know there was that link earlier, but I think I may try it and continue the catnap. I'm willing to do just about anything right now. I know that some of you ladies have tried that and it didn't work???? so confused.
A time for us today was exactly 2 hrs and 20 minutes for the first two and then 4 hours for the second. (a small 10 minute nap in the car before bed...does that count?) and she had a total of 3 hours worth of naps. 40 minute morning and 2 hour afternoon (3 with the car nap). Down at 7:15 and up at 10 pm and has woke 3 times since. It's 10:55 :(
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Kate I would prefer a leter bedtime so DH can see him regulary, but I was going by advise evrywhere else for an earlier one because they are supposed to sleep better.
when Calum was at his grans last week, she put him to bed at 2030 :o (because she didn't think he was tired ::)) and he slept until 0730
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I wish DH could see more of Zander too - he's only home before he's in bed a couple of times a week :( I'd be happy just to make it to 7pm again but because Zander is getting up so early (5.45 again this morning) his pm nap ends early and we don't make it much past 6.30pm.
Does Calum have any teeth yet Lauren? Zander's bottom front two have been on the surface but under the gum for a few weeks now and I don't think they can be far away - I can't help but thinking all the sleep upset may be related. He often wakes in the night screaming (like at 4.30am this morning) but he doesn't take that much soothing to get back to sleep. This morning he didn't even roll over and lift his head up, he was just screaming :'(
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Does Calum have any teeth yet Lauren? Zander's bottom front two have been on the surface but under the gum for a few weeks now and I don't think they can be far away - I can't help but thinking all the sleep upset may be related. He often wakes in the night screaming (like at 4.30am this morning) but he doesn't take that much soothing to get back to sleep. This morning he didn't even roll over and lift his head up, he was just screaming :'(
This was us EXACTLY last night at both wakings, you would have thought someone was in there trying to murder him! What are you using for pain relief, I use either calpol or disprol 3month+ - might have to look into something else ???
Calums top 2 front teeth are under the surface at the front IYKWIM rather than where the tooth should poke through.
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Let's hope this is the cause for both of us! I was giving him Medised at night for his cold which would have helped with any teething pains but lately I haven't really given him anything except Calgel when he wakes during the night. I use Calpol or we have some Calprofen too which other mums have said they think works better. I was talking to Sarah earlier and there they recommend gripe water because the extra saliva caused by teething can give your LO a tummy ache. Zander's 2 front teeth are under the surface at the back!!
I've just put him down for his second nap (short one again this morning ::)) but he doesn't sound very keen to comply!!
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Hey girls,
The gripe water really helped calm Ella when teething (as she is now starting to break her top teeth) as all the excess saliva really irritates the tummy as it has a lot of enzymes in it. As well I cannot recommend enough Hyland Teething Tablets (available in the U.S.) as I had to bring them in when we visited the US a few weeks ago (we are in Canada). They work like a charm! I think if you cannot get these to try using a Camilia/Belladonna mix from a homeopath(this is what is in Hyland's Tabs) which helps with teething. My husband and I are in the dental field, as well we recommend to our patients frozen washclothes, frozen bagels and frozen teething rings to chew during the day. Pressing on the gums and allowing the child to chew as much as possible will break the teeth through sooner. I hope this helps a little:)
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just bought some medised, the pharmasist says it is for teething as however but for some reason it doesn't state this on the box anymore ???
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Strange - I'm sure it says it on the box we have here ???
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I'm sat here crying now :'( :'(
It's so silly because Zander's a pretty happy and relaxed baby but he has no reliable routine and I'm the sort of mum who struggles with that concept (I think most BW mums are). I think he probably only needs a couple of hour's sleep a day now but I don't know how to space the naps out and we're just not getting to a normal bedtime anymore so he's up at the crack of dawn. I don't know what to do next.
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{{{hugs}}}}
Thats how I feel at the moment, he has been up since 6am today and he was moaning (and annoying me) by 8am, so off he went to his cot and he fell asleep at 0815am. He has snce had to naps in his buggy and I will try and put him doen again for a nap (but its getting late :-\).
I got a really nice PM from Natasha this morning and that made me cry too :'( :'( :'(
P>S it says it in the leaflet inside.
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Stacy what your routine like at the moment?
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Kelly I forgot to say - I had to purposly go out today I gave him his first nap at home then went out, I know it would muck up his naps but I was hoping in a good way :-\ still trying for this last nap.
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{{{{{hugs}}}}} ladies. so sorry you're feeling blue. i know exactly what it's like feeling all out of control and not knowing what approach to try next. thank goodness our little guys still wake up happy to see us, and are such cute little monsters.
m nfugmjhjm (that's Theron saying hugs to you all while I try to type).
m,po[[--. (don't worry mum, it's all just a phase, i'll havea break in teething for a while soon)
iujgbynim,ikjm (enough of this stuff, where's the boob) :o
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Stacy-
How old is your lo? I am thinking your routine is where we are headed. I think it may work for us to have some (longer) A time when we get home from dropping big sister off at preschool.
We're having a real off day today as we ran errands this morning and Jalyn WILL NOT sleep in the stroller. Hoping for a long afternoon nap.
~Rachel
{{{{HUGS}}}} to those of you will so many issues. Kelly, as I've told you before, I am right there with you about being in control. Paige followed everything to a tee (apparently she read the book) so having Jalyn not do what she's 'supposed' when she's 'supposed' to has thrown me for a real loop.
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Gosh ladies I am sorry that some of you are having such a rough time. I cant tell you how many times I have been there :'( :'(, and I feel for you. So far it is rocky for us, but not completely certifiable.
For those of you who are having screams in the middle of the night, do you think it could be separation anxiety? This is the age for it. I have been very watchful and dreading it. As if there isnt enough going on ::)
Gage's first tooth has broken through, and I just purchased the tablets that was suggested. I have also heard wonderful things about them, so I figured I give it a go.
I have tried the later bedtime, and no luck. I have no idea why, but it just cuts into "my time" ( not really my time though as I am doing housework and RESEACHING. I'd rather be having a pedicure of something :P). The only thing working is limiting nap amount. So far, I found that under 2.5 hrs works for now.
I know I am seriously behind, but we are working on getting rid of that DARN SWADDLE (said very politely, because of mixed company :-X). Right at the moment, he is out one handed. Does anyone have any reccommendations on how long this should continue until the next arm should go?
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Gage wont sleep on his tummy. I have tried. ::) The other bad thing is I have to wean from the wedge thing I was using to make sure he didnt roll over in his swaddle and suffocate. Well needless to say that has come back and bit me. If I take it away he is ALL over the crib farting around even when swaddled. I am scared of where this going.
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Alice,
Does Gage sleep well with the swaddle? Jalyn decided she was done with it around 6 months. One night she WOULD NOT settle and finally dh unswaddled her and she gave him a big bear hug and went to sleep. We went back to it for naps, but not night. About 2 weeks ago, the swaddle was totally gone.
~Rachel
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Oh how I hope that he will grow bored of it like he does everything else during the day ::) I didnt think of that. :) I figure I will let him play in his crib more the help with this. I have only tried the weaning during the day as I am SCARED TO DEATH to try it at night ( I know what a fear huh? ::)). Do you think that is a bad idea? Have you tried night time weaning?
About a month a ago he was sleeping jsut fine in a sleeping bag with arms. However, all of his naps became 45 min! I was at my whits end until I figured out what was the cause. I reswaddled and his naps went back to being long again. I should have just road it out, but I felt like he wasnt developmentally ready for the weaning.
How do you just swaddle the arms?
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Rachel you are sooooo lucky. I am totally envious! I really want to get rid of it because the weather is getting warmer and he is getting hot in it. Not too mention, it is a pain as he wakes when he becomes unswaddled. So far, he is waking at the hour mark and I wait for awhile for him to put himself back to sleep. It must be the startle thing huh? I am hoping he will get used to it.
Oh Rachel, was it you that said your lo1 only could have around 2hrs of nap time a day or there would be early morning wake ups? I read that a while ago somewhere, and I am trying to figure out where. I am experimenting with Gage's naps.
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Sorry Alice, not me. We are not (knock on wood) struggling with night sleep and/or early wake ups. Jalyn will sleep 12 hours at night and has been for quite some time (no throwing things please :P). It's the 45 minute naps that are killing me! I may try keeping her up longer for the first A time, as this is usually the time we are out and about with dd1 anyway.
~Rachel
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Gage's mom, I don't know if this may work for you but it worked for Ella when I got rid of the swaddle. First I transitioned her to a sleeper that had the arms cut off and sewed close at the shoulder (I know it sounds a little crazy but it worked) and then her arms were down by her side just as when she was swaddled but was able to move them around up, down, etc. This is how she learned so well to use her hands to soothe herself back to sleep and her legs were loose in each leg. Next I did another sleeper with one arm sewed close at the shoulder (cut the rest of that material off) and the other arm regular but sewed closed at the end where the hand would come out. Thus she had freedom to move one arm all over to get used to having it loose(but covered in sleeper) and the other was still down at her side. Then I did both and this is where we are now. All her sleepers have the end of the arm (where the hand comes out) sewed close so when she startles she doesn't scratch herself and she can use those sewed closed ends to chew on. So now Ella is addicted to chewing cloth (her sleepers are a lightweight microfleece). Whenever I put her in it for naps, and her hands go in the cloth goes to her mouth and she soothes herself to sleep. I know this may sound crazy to you, but it really worked well for me and at this time I see absolutely no need to unsew her sleepers, I figure if this is the worst thing, I will just keep buying bigger sleepers until she grows out of the habit or transition her to a piece of fleece as a blankie. Let me know if you need anymore explanantion ;D
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yes, very very smart! I did try try something similar to your method when Gage was fed up and Waaay too big for miracle blanket. I bought a sleeping bad thing that had a velcro band that wraps around the arms just as you have made by sewing them up. Anyway, Gage squeezed his sneaky hands out where the zipper would be ::) I tried several times.
Anyway that is when I moved to Aussie Swaddle, which he likes. It is almost like being uswaddle, but does secure his arms a touch more than being unswaddled. About a month ago I put him in a long sleeve sleeping bag and put mittens on him. This worked great however all of his naps went to 45min, so I just assumed he wasnt dev. ready for it. Now, it is too hot for the bag and he takes his mittens off and swings them around. Frustrating but kind of cute. ::)
If this doesnt work for some reason, i will try sewing the end of the arms up. However, I need a light weight sleeping bag because it is getting warm out. Has anyone seen one?
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Gage's mom try cheekymonkey dot ca for lightweight summer sleeping bags for babies.
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Thank you Sarahboh, I am all over that. :D
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Amen. I finally feel like we're getting somewhere.
This has been Theron's routine so far today.
6.45am up (asleep since 6.30pm night before with one feed at 3am)
8.45am nap #1 (2 hours A time)
9.15am up (30 mins nap :o)
11.30am nap #2 (2.25 hours A time)
1.00pm up (1.5 hr nap -- I've noticed, too, that if he has a long one first, the second one will be shorter and vice versa)
4.00pm nap #3 (3 hours A time)
4.30pm expected up time
6.30pm-7pm bedtime
b/f at 7am, 11am, 3pm and 6.30pm, solids at 7.45am and 12.30pm.
this from the little guy who a month ago couldn't stay awake longer than an hour, and was taking five 45 minutes naps a day. i'm so proud of my little bug!
this morning was a "laugh" -- i was awoken by a banging sound at 6.20am coming from the bathroom. it sounded like the cupboard door being open and shut. terrified it would wake up theron (why oh why is my mood dependent on his sleep?), i ran in there and spotted our cat. guilty as charged eh? i shooed him out of there and threw a towel after him. he looked most put out. it wasn't until i returned to bed, and the banging started again, that i realized there was a crazy bird in the tree outside the bathroom, and he kept attacking his reflection in the window. this bird has been doing it all day long! our poor kitty was only trying to scare the bird away, and i'd scolded him ::) thankfully it didn't wake up the little guy...
kelly -- so much for my laundry intentions. there was a funny smell in our laundry room today, and upon investigation i realized it was the laundry i'd done two days ago upon your inspiration. i guess i forgot to actually put it in the drier this time :-[ oops!
katy
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Hi Katy! It sounds like you had a better morning. That is great! Oh you arent the only one with the baby induced mood swings. I too feel so much better when Gage is having a good day. It is almost better than losing 5 lbs.... almost ;D I feel sorry for my DH.
I am glad I am not the only one still having to feed at night. I just can not get enough food in Gage during the day. I know it is out of hungerr as he downs a bottle and the times are erratic but resemble an eating schedule. For as hefty as he is you would think he ate all of the time. He weighs about 23lbs and is 28 inches long! I am glad he is growing, but I have no idea how. ::)
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i know about DH... mine says "why do you always get so stressed out if he doesn't nap. it's only sleep..." grr >:(
tbh, i'm not sure if theron needs a feed when he wakes at 3am. it's complicated. i set myself a goal of pu/pd before 3am and feeding him if he woke up after for now. he's slept 12 hours straight several times, so i know that he can do it. but a) he's teething really badly, so i'm kinda comfort nursing and b) there's a chance i might be going back to work a LOT sooner than expected (i.e. in six weeks), and i guess i just feel kinda guilty about that, and so am welcoming any chance to AP if it means i can feel closer to my little guy for just a while longer. i need to be strong though, and stick to my BW guns! truth be told, i did settle him once at 2.30am, but then he woke again 20 minutes later, still fussing, so i felt pretty strongly that he was hungry.
wow, gage has got about 5lb on theron! he was 28 inches at 6 months, but only 17.5lbs. he'll be a stretch like me and his dad ;D
oops, gotta run. bedtime, and DH is on his way upstairs...
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We had a 0645 wake up this morning, I have been out and about swimming and a mother and baby group (right when his 2nd nap was due, but we squeezed in 10mins on the walk along Wink)
The last 2 days, so it has forced him to have 2 small and 1 large nap in the day, the good thing is the last naps finishes between 4 and 5pm, so it means I can put him to bed about 1930/2000 and he lays longer in the morning. 2 last nights have been so different.
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That's great news, Lauren! We had a 5.40am awakening today ??? Tried a feed and putting him back down, but I can still hear him gurgling away...
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Katy - what time is it there? Are you on your computer at, like, 6am?!
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ssh, yes! sad, i know. but DS is gurgling, and that durn bird is back at the bathroom window. in a flash of inspiration i put up a copy of one of my trashy mags, hoping that the pictures of angelina and brad would scare it away, but that worked for all of like three minutes. and now theron is squawking, which means no chance of going back to sleep.
this is going to be a day! and i stupidly didn't go to sleep till 11pm...
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Oh that's funny ;D Do you think Theron is trying to impersonate the bird?!
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;D
Well .... DH opened all the windows last night because he was hot (??!) so I woke up at 5am freezing and when I shut the window Zander stirred and then woke fully at 5.30am. I tried in vain to get him back to sleep until 6.15am when I gave him a 10 minute bf and put him straight back down. I've been giving him a little afternoon snack lately but yesterday I think I gave him too much too late so he didn't eat much dinner which is probably why he was hungry this morning. I planned to get up at 7am but had accidentally turned the volume down on the alarm clock so we all slept in (DH was late for work!). Next thing I know it's gone 8am and I can hear Zan chattering away. He had 30 mins this morning and 1.5 hours this afternoon (with 5 mins in the middle getting him back to sleep). So it's been a bit of a weird day which is annoying because I wanted to stick with the routine we used yesterday - we'll be back on track tomorrow!
I don't know what the deal is with his night wakings at the moment. Last night he started screaming at around 10pm and nothing would calm him down. He kept getting up on his arms and looking at me then trying to settle again and then repeating. He started crying when I was leaving the room which he doesn't usually do so I spoke to him from the door and he seemed ok again. He started crying again not long after and I stayed sat on the floor in his room for a while watching him and he couldn't sit still, like he was trying to crawl in his sleep. I think he's just starting to think about crawling - a few moments ago he was led on the floor here in a crawling position but crying too! I sat him up and now he's happily playing with a calculator. A few times during the night he cried out but didn't really wake up which was good. I think maybe we have teething, separation anxiety and learning to crawl all affecting his sleep. What do you think?
Thanks for asking after us!
Kelly x
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I am going to get a fantastic sleep tonight and a long-lie tomorrow, I can feel it in my bones.......
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Do you considering crawling "sliding"? Just these past two days Ella is in locomotion, she will come across a whole room and go from kitchen to diniing room to family room by pulling herself and sliding along and is following me but getting frustrated when she can't go fast enough to catch up so she cries out. She isn't using her knees yet, but mostly scrunching up like an inchworm. So can I say she is crawling? ;D
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We're having strange night wakings as well. We're getting a wakeup around 1am, one around 3am and we feed, and then around 5am again. She'll shout out for us to come see her, but we ignore her. Sometimes she gets fussy and we'll replug the paci. Sometimes it helps, sometimes she just has to fuss herself back to sleep.
Katie sleeps very little at daycare - like 2 naps lasting 30-45 minutes. So she might get 1-1.5 hours of naps when dad picks her up at 3pm (pickup time can be anywhere from 1pm to 4:30pm). So when she gets home (or on the way home), she takes a "power nap" and can sleep like 2 hours. So her total daytime sleep is around 3hours (although very lopsided). But, I think our problem is that she's getting such a long nap very late in the day. She'll wake up from it anywhere from 4pm to 6pm. I don't think she's getting tired enough for bedtime and a long nighttime sleep cuz the A time is short before bed. (Shouldn't that be growing into the longest one?)
So, would you smart mommies limit the daytime sleep, waking her from her nap so that she has a long 3hr A time before bed? Even if this means that her daytime sleep would only be about 2hrs total? Or is it more of an overtired thing and should I focus on getting her optimal daytime sleep and adjust bedtime accordingly?
On the weekends, she doesn't have trouble taking 1.5 hr nap in the am and the pm. Sometimes she needs more (I think she's catching up from the lack of sleep during the week).
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So, would you smart mommies limit the daytime sleep, waking her from her nap so that she has a long 3hr A time before bed? Even if this means that her daytime sleep would only be about 2hrs total?
Casey
That sounds like a plan, I personally wake Calum from his last nap if he is going to mess up bedtime by napping late. He also usually takes a short and long nap or recently 2 v.short and one power nap. You can only try it for 5 - 7days and see if it makes any difference - you may need to pull it back gradually maybe 15mins every day :-\.
Yes, the last 'A' time should be the longest. If Calum where to wake from his last nap at 6pm, it would be 2130 before he would go to bed and sleep.
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I agree Casey, sleeping too late in the afternoon can have an adverse affect on night sleep. It's just a shame Katie gets such little sleep in daycare :( Zander woke at 3pm today and went to bed at 7pm which is about his limit. His other A times are around the 3 hour mark.
Let us know how it goes.
Kelly x
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Calum is away to MIL/FIL for the night, so DH & I can test-drive our new refurbished local pub ;)
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That's great Lauren, have fun ;D I haven't left Zander overnight yet - might build up to it over the next couple of months!
Kelly x
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Oooo, Lauren! How fun! Have a pint for me!
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Casey & Kelly
I have had many pints for your both ;)
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Yay!!!
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I still woke up at 0701 :o :o :o :o :o
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You've managed to set your own bodyclock then Lauren! Glad you had a few drinks - I hope your head doesn't hurt today. How was Calum, chances are the little monkey slept through until 7.30am without you being there!
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Hi Kelly
He slept until 0645 (bedtime was 2010), this is a huge improvement ;D
Just back from lunch at Brewsters (brewers fayre) he is obsessed with his new red balloon - I have tied it to the end of his cot ::) (beats licking it :-X)
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We got a red balloon at TGIs last week and Zander loved it too - he puts the end in his mouth and nods his head ::)
I could never get Zander to a bedtime that late - we're stuck with 7pm to 6am I think!!
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Can you try and move it gradually 5 - 10 mins per night :-\
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I don't think so - 7pm is a struggle and as it is I'm having to either put him in front of Baby Einstein or take him for a walk after his dinner to distract him until bathtime. I don't mind really, it leaves me free for the evening fairly early on! 7pm is the bedtime which has always worked for him so I think it's what we should go with. Maybe as he gets older he'll stretch a little longer. Things could be much worse!!
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Ha - it's now 7.50pm and Zander is sat downstairs smiling away :-\ He was knackered by 6pm so I gave him his bath and he had an almost 1 hour breastfeed (he has another cold and has hardly eaten all day so I think was making up for it). He dozed whilst he was eating as he was so tired and I think when we woke him to put him to bed he thought he'd had a nap! I tried getting him to sleep from 7.10pm to 7.45pm but he just wasn't up for it!! God knows when he'll go to bed and what time he'll wake up tomorrow ::) And I missed Strictly Dance Fever ....
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aw, kelly. hope the night goes well. sounds like zander's taking the alternative bedtime in his stride, but i know it's harder on you :( i tried to put theron down for a nap 50 minutes ago, and he's still in there just chatting away to himself. at this rate it will be time for lunch ::)
maybe i should throw on some laundry while i have a spare minute ;)
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Calums in bed so I've just done my laundry, dishwasher, watered the garden and Calums bottles and just realised I had forgotten to have my tea (I did wonder why I was hungry ::)) phew!! need a seat.
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it's tiring me out just reading your list!
my little guy finally fell asleep (after 3 hours awake!), so i think i need to find something yummy too. i'll be interested to see how long his nap is given his extended A time.
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So that's what it's like putting an over-tired baby to sleep!!! He finally fell asleep at 8.20pm but it was very hard work - he had been up 5.5 hours afterall! Bless him he can't seem to stop trying to crawl, the whole time he was crying for sleep but getting up on all fours and rocking. His cold sounds awful too - it must be all of one week since he recovered from the last one. Along with teething and a little separation anxiety it's no wonder the poor chap can't sleep :( Tonight and tomorrow morning will be interesting - I think if he wakes at 6am I'll have to have a serious attempt at getting him back to sleep because that's just not enough. Hopefully going to Monkey World tomorrow so that should be interesting :)
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aw, bless. there's probably so much going on in that little brain of his. i must confess, when theron is extremely overtired (and it's happened once in the past two months, when grandma was visiting, and refused to believe that he napped as he did, and surely he could just keep going provided we stimulated him >:( ), i do nurse him to sleep, or at least, to almost sleep. it happens so rarely that i hope it isn't too much of a spoke in the BW wheel.
fingers crossed for a good night's sleep for both of you! theron's just slept 50 minutes after a 3 hour A time. or at least i can hear his legs thumping in the crib, no gurgles or squawks just yet :)
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omg, i feel a total heel. i just changed theron's diaper, and it was more full of poop than it's been since we introduced solids. the little chap wasn't having a hard time settling for his nap earlier, it's just his diaper was full! eesh :-[
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We've had weird A time today. She is totally exhausted at 2 hours so we head for bed, finally get there at 2.5 hours and then she plays for 30 minutes in her crib. So 3 hours of A time with one full hour of wind down. That's weird.
when do you all do your wind down or do you have one? Is it included in the total A time or is there extra time for sleep time? Just curious as we are trying to figure this out.
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Morning all
We did 1945 - 0640 this morning, he woke happy and squealing - going to try for 8pm tonight.
Kate we have 10-15mins wind down, just as you described yesterday with Calum in his cot playing with softer toys, this is part of our 'A' time - I think she is just naturally extending her 'A' time.
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Hi ladies,
That sounds great, Lauren! We had 6.45pm-6am. He wanted feeding immediately, too. None of this diaper-changing nonsense.
Kate -- for the later A times, I normally take Theron into his room at about 1 hour 50, and tone things down. I close the drapes and have a lamp on, and we read several books. Depending on how much more I think he can take, I undress him down to his onesie and play with him on the floor; he rolls around looking at his aquarium, and plays with his feet. Once I think that he's really ready for bed (about 2 hours 20 right now), I put him on the diaper table and put his pj bottoms on, turn off the lamp, put some orajel on his gums, take him over to the crib while singing Twinkle Twinkle, and put him down. Sometimes it's five minutes till he's out. Yesterday it was 50 minutes, taking us to 3 hours A time (and only a 50 minutes nap!). There's always some raspberry blowing, gurgling, playing with his lovie, slamming feet, and sometimes some protest "are-you-coming-back-or-not" fussing.
It always surprises me that he can be rubbing his eyes out and yawning his head off, yet I put him down, and he'll keep himself awake for another half hour or so. Fingers crossed that he is extending his A time naturally!
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Up at 6.20am and very tired all day ::)
We went out for the day though which was lovely. He slept in the car on the way there and we had to wake him up to go into the park (Monkey World!) - he protested very loudly about this for a few minutes! He also slept on the way back but woke up when we got home and refused to go back to sleep so his first nap was 45 minutes and his second was 20 minutes! He had another 40 minutes at tea time and I'm just about to feed him and put him to bed - it's 7pm so he'll hopefully be asleep for 7.30pm. We has a terrible cold again, poor little mite.
We go to his room 15 minutes before a nap and I read a story whilst he plays with his juice cup. Once we're finished he has a couple of sips of juice then I change his nappy and strip him down to his vest and we sit on the chair and I sing Twinkle Twinkle (snap Katy!!). Then I put him in his sleeping bag in the cot, tell him it's time to sleep, turn the noise machine on and turn the light off on my way out. He usually shouts to himself for 5 or 10 minutes then it goes quiet and he's asleep!
Kelly x
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Well, today we had A times of 2hrs 20, 2 hrs, 2hrs 45 and 3hrs 25 today. It feels as if Theron is really starting to get the hang of this extended A time thing. It wasn't even that hard keeping him up for the final stretch. The first nap was only 30 minutes, but I think that's because DH kept him up a little too long. We made up for that with a 1.5 hour nap the second time around. Of course I was not at all sleepy by that stage, and could really have done with a longer nap earlier in the am myself ::)
Kelly -- glad that Monkey World was a good change. I keep meaning to ask you how Zander's adapting to his crib. Theron doesn't seem to miss the hammock at all, in fact has come on so quickly developmentally (in terms of rolling and moving around) since we transitioned him, that I wonder if the hammock didn't hamper his development somewhat ??? And how is W2S working for you? I'm holding off on fiddling with naps till we have more age-appropriate A times, and its more clear what he needs in terms of day sleep. I'm optimistic about Stacy's suggestion that longer A times will naturally increase his naps, at least this time around! It certainly seems to be working so far (Yay Stacy!)
Katy
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I think I found out Jalyn's story... too much A time = 20-30 minute nap... too little A time = 45 minute naps.... just right A time = 1.5 hour nap...
Now, just to figure out how she can tell me when the right amount of A time.... of course, this morning she didn't wake until 7:20 and then we had the preschool run... so the AM nap may be trouble...
Good naps to all!
~Rachel
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I think I found out Jalyn's story... too much A time = 20-30 minute nap... too little A time = 45 minute naps.... just right A time = 1.5 hour nap...
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Rachel. That sounds just like Theron too!