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General Sleep Issues / HELP with Early WU, A times 5 mo old
« Last post by Mcgrad2003 on Today at 15:57:40 »
Help!  My 5.5 month old is waking up around 5:30 every morning.  She's quiet for quite a while (like 30 mins, so sometimes I don't know the exact wake time), which makes it difficult for me to try to figure out when to put her down for a nap.  She was having a good 2 hr 15 min wake time but today & yesterday the first nap was only an hour! 

Example of routine:  One day last week -
5:30 awake
7:45-11 S
1:25-2:30 S
4:55-5:30 S
8:30 S
Since she was waking so early the first nap was pretty long.  I try to have her in bed by 8, but trying for earlier. 

Yesterday it was awful-
6:00ish? awake, could have been closer to 5:30?
7:45-9:00 S
11:40-12:35 S in car bc I was desperate!
2:50-3:30ish? nap
4:15-5:00 S in carrier on walk
8:00 S                                                       

Please help!  I'm desperate.
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General Sleep Issues / Re: 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Sarah33miller on April 25, 2021, 02:19:32 am »
Thank you for your replies! Over the past month I have tried everything I can think of  :(
He is now 17 weeks old. Some nights he will sleep for consistent 2 hour chunks at a time and I can only seem to resettle him by nursing ó- should I try pupd for a length of time?

But some nights (usually about 2-3x/week) he still wakes every hour or so... like a previous reply said, that isnít a sleep cycle so Iím worried something is wrong but I canít figure out what. I donít think he has reflux and he really doesnít seem to be in pain to me, but I could be wrong. Weíve adjusted temperature and keep a thermostat right at his bed to keep it 68 degrees. We have white noise on. 

My EASY is a mess because he will only sleep for one cycle during the day (42 mins) no matter what I seem to do. Eating wise, he seems ready for 4 hour EASY.

He now settles very easily at nap times and at bedtime (7:30pm). He just canít link sleep cycles.
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Help with 2.5yo Nap Please!
« Last post by Katet on April 15, 2021, 00:52:11 am »
At 2.5yo some do give up naps. My SIL had one who gave them up around 2.5yo and the other was past 4yo, different temperament. So while you might be pro naps, sometimes you needs to realise that the child's biology is different.

One area that can help is increased activity at 2-3yo you'd be looking at 3-4 hours of active physical play preferably outdoors. If they spend a lot of time sitting then less sleep is often needed

I'd actually consider trying earlier for a nap as sometimes lengthy A time brings a second wind and sleep isn't an option.

Both mine loved day sleep (not so much night unfortunately) and didn't really have a set nap time, they could fall asleep in the car or stroller after an activity or in bed just depended on the day. It was more about what they needed that day based on activities.

Anyway if it was me. I'd aim for no more than 6hours from wake up.make sure he gets plenty of fresh air and walking/running/climbing in the morning and then settle for a nap. If he doesn't nap, but tests, then get him up after an hour and try again the next day, you may find he only naps some days and not others too.
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General Sleep Issues / Re: 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Philothea on April 06, 2021, 09:41:47 am »
How have things been the past few days?

Waking every 30-60 minutes overnight is pretty extreme. Sleep cycles are usually still up to 6 hours long at this age, decreasing to 2-4 hours soon. Something is definitely going on. My guess would be that it's routine related or physical (e.g. discomfort).

If you're still having issues, perhaps you'd like to share your EASY.
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General Sleep Issues / Re: 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Katet on April 03, 2021, 22:27:52 pm »
I found with night waking, don't feed to the clock, first waking was a resettle waking, then if they only slept 20mins, you'd feed on the next waking (definitely was a hunger waking) then over time you start to notice the resettling noise as opposed to the I'm hungry night cries, but it takes patience. I never really got my first sleeping for long stretches, yet my second just did it. In hindsight, I can see temperament plays into it and also how relaxed we are, the more stressed we are the more the baby tends to be unsettled, which makes it hard as we need a good night sleep to be relaxed, yet we aren't getting it. If I had my time over, what I learnt with my second was rather than thinking 'Ill be better if the baby sleeps better' it would be 'what do I need to do to cope best if I only get 2 hour blocks of sleep...so I'd nap in the day, go to bed earlier etc and as I got less exhausted, suddenly I noticed the baby slept more too.
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General Sleep Issues / Re: 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Sarah33miller on April 03, 2021, 00:00:41 am »
Thank you so much for your reply! I do feel like I have a good handle on his tired signs and have stopped watching the clock. He does get tired roughly between 1.5-2 hours. I was wondering if you have any advice about what to do during night wakings? He has been waking up every half an hour to one hour all night long recently. Iím at a total loss as to how to get him to sleep longer. I also feel like itís confusing because he hasnít weaned off night feedings so I usually feed him around 1am and 4am, so sometimes when he wakes up I do PUPD, and sometimes I feed him which I feel like must be confusing for him.
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General Sleep Issues / Re: 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Katet on April 02, 2021, 04:58:44 am »
It may not be something that has an easy fix.
Firstly he may need his time between feeds to be  anywhere between 3and 4 hours, but as you say his awake time for his age is 2 hours, but that's an average, some babies it's 1h 45 some 2.15 and that can change for each nap time, so you may need longer or shorter at different times in the day...2hours isn't an exact science for all babies.
Level of stimulation may also effect how long they stay awake too, this knowing tired signs at this age is vital to  work out if your 2 hours is 1h50 or 2h 15.

In terms of the long evening time...quite normal to have witching hours/unsettled period, at 3months in BF babies it can be part of a growth spurt to change  milk supply to meet development or it can be over or under tired based on day  and if they are low or high sleep needs.
The first suggestion, I'd have to make is throw away the clock and look for tired signs and hungry signs , you may find that a 3.5/3/4 or a 4/3/3 or 3.5/3.5/3.5  routine is what he works best on on any give day it may change by 10/15/60 minutes.
Secondly definitely try holding through the jolts and given his age even try picking him up and sitting in a quiet dark place to see if he'll go back to sleep in your arms (which is actually what worked with my second.
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General Sleep Issues / 3.5 MONTH BEDTIME @ 9 PM???
« Last post by Sarah33miller on March 30, 2021, 22:16:15 pm »
My DS is falling asleep at every nap time, right on schedule just by using the 4S's but we have 2 problems.

1. the 45 minute intruder - which is causing me to tweak his schedule so he is only up for 2 hours at a time. I am going to try holding him through the jolt tomorrow to see if it keeps him asleep - I feel like it might work because he does sleep through whenever he is in his car seat.

2. After his 5pm catnap, he is unable to sleep until 9pm or so. A lot of nights he shows no sleepy cues and is relatively content this whole time. We TRY to do a 7:30 bedtime, after his 7pm feed we do bath, massage, prayer and song (the full wind down routine) but come bedtime he is not tired at all. I know he is a little young for PUPD, but we still tried it as he is a big baby (15+ lbs) and I felt that he was developmentally ready for it. After just 2 days we had broken the sleep props that were preventing daytime naps, but we still have had no luck with bedtime. Even before we started PUPD, we could not get him to fall asleep at bedtime with nursing, rocking, or any other prop. He just seems to be wired from 6pm-9pm. Our nighttime sleep is still pretty pathetic (waking every 2-3 hours) but if it's not time to feed he usually settles within 10 minutes. I am wondering if we could get bedtime earlier if things would go better. Could this wired time be from him being overtired because of his short naps? I was following the 4 hour schedule at first him with because he does not need to eat every 3 hours, but he couldn't handle missing the extra nap so I am back to the 3 hour schedule just to try to squeeze in 4 naps. I'm kind of lost, constantly trying new things and unsure what will help. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Bottle Feeding / Re: Desperate Mum to wean off breastfeeding
« Last post by Katet on March 28, 2021, 21:58:25 pm »
At 7 months old I'd go straight to trying a cup, my youngest managed one at 5.5months after refusing the bottle and I needed to be away for more than the gap between feeds.
Also at 7months you'd have started on solids so if you need to skip a bf, just offer a solids feed.
Basically at 7months just skip trying a bottle as in many ways they aren't the greatest for teeth anyway so  it's best to drop bottles by 12 months anyway, moving to milk in a sippy cup removes that step. .
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Activity Time & Toddler Activity / toys for toddler
« Last post by AmberPic on March 25, 2021, 07:06:10 am »
Personally, I really like toys that also help children develop. I have two sons, they are staying home with me and I need them to play with toys. Children like toys that attract their attention, they should be bright and interesting. I found such toys there https://top-mom.com/musical-toys-for-toddlers/ My kids like it because it makes a sound. They also like to take them apart and see what's inside so I'm glad that these toys can be easily assembled. I know a lot of moms have the same problem. Good luck to you!
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