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General Sleep Issues / Re: 7 month old A time?
« Last post by ellieelmo on Yesterday at 10:14:17 »
Usually if she's down at 7pm up again at 23/23.30/00 then again at 03.00 then 04.45 then 06/06.15 for the day. Last night was much better.
BT 7pm
NF 12am
NF 3.15am
WU 7.45am

She had both breasts at the first feed. Both times I tried to settle her with shhhh pat first unsuccessfully, both times she went down wide awake.
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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: 12 Werka short A
« Last post by eva026 on Yesterday at 09:46:28 »
Ok Thx, will give it a go.
Sheís co confusing this one. Her sister was totally by the book with average A times.
 I totally apop by rocking, itís the only way I can extend any nap for now.
In the sling sheíll sleep but no longer than 30-40min. On Saturday we were out all day and this was her only option so we had 30min naps all day. How do you train them to sleep in a sling for longer?
Kindergarten pickups - I used to drive but sheíd scream all the way. Now Iím taking a bus and while she is quiet in the sling in a bus, sheís totally is by all the people and doesnít sleep at all. So rock and hard place.

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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: 12 Werka short A
« Last post by becj86 on Yesterday at 09:40:20 »
Average at her age is 1:30-1:45 so 1:20 is not drastically too short but I think I'd aim for 1:30 to 1:40 if I were you. I know that's tricky with another child in the mix and no APOP options left... I'd almost try training her to sleep in the sling/wrap.
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Sleeping For Toddlers / 28 month old cot issues / nap dropping
« Last post by Mum2lucy on Yesterday at 08:25:22 »
Hi,

Iím just looking for some advice as my LG is def dropping her nap. Iíve read all the support on it and I know how hard it can be and how long a process it can be. She has tended to respond well to a super early bed time as she does add on the nap.
The only way we get a nap now is to drive her in the car. I wouldnít even try her cot as she refuses.
Iíd say overall we had been coping ok with nnd until now. For the past week, she has been awful going to bed refusing to lie down in her cot bed. I donít engage with her and just repeat lie down sleepy time but she was not happy, crying and shouting for up to an hour one night (I was in with her walking in and out). In the end, I lay her on the double bed in her room and shhhhed her to sleep and she was asleep within minutes.
Two nights I have had to stand at the cot and shhhh. I havenít had to do that kind of thing since she was much younger. This has been happening on nnd so it isnít that she isnít tired enough.

My days have looked like this:
Wu: 7.30
S: 13.50-14.40
Bt: 7.30 s: 8

Wu: 8.40 (woken by me)
Nnd
Bt: 7 s: 7.10
Nw: 22.05

Wu: 8
S: 17.20-17.40 (Car journey on way home)
B: 8, s: 8

Wu: 8.20
Nnd
Bt: 7; s:7.40 (went crazy at bedtime and had to stay in)

Wu: 7.20
S: 12.45-14.00
Bt: 7.30 s: 8.05 (shouted lots so in and out a few times)

Wu: 8.10
Refused nap
S: 17.10-17.40 (journey home)
Bt: 8 s: 8.35 ( shouted lots again)

Wu:6.30 (Emw due to late nap perhaps?)

I guess Iím looking for a routine check to try and solved the cot dislike and shouting?

Thanks
🙂



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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: 12 Werka short A
« Last post by eva026 on Yesterday at 08:01:03 »
So stay at 1.20 despite that being much too short for her age?
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: 13 months standard EASY routine?
« Last post by JCN on Yesterday at 07:34:55 »
We had lots of NWs. 8pm, 10pm (took half an hour to resettle), 2:30am (took 20mins to resettle) and the WU 5:45am (which I can handle as our Ďworking dayí starts at 6:00 anyway)

Iím not sure if the 1 nap counts as being a good decision when heís up so much in the night? Although Iím surprised he Ďsleptí until 5:45 with such an earlier bedtime. He does the same WU with a 7-7:30om BT too.
Going to try 2 naps today and see how it pans out. And compare the two?

10:00 and 3pm is what Iím going to aim for today I think. As I said in a previous post- if he 1st Nap runs much past 11am then he begins to resist an afternoon nap (until about 5pm ish but thatís too late in the day) so Iím going to try today and see if we can do 2 naps of about an hour. Or potential ally 90mins and a CN.

Feel like Iím feeling around in the dark with all of this at the moment.

*EDIT*

Well so much for my aim of a 10:00 Nap.... itís currently 10:10 and heís not tired at all so Iíve not bothered trying yet. Maybe I have to persevere with 11am and a CN and hope that it works today.

*EDIT 2*

So he started to yawn and go quiet around 10:50am which was right in line with my plan for an 11:00 Nap. So I put him down at 11 and he settled to sleep with minimal fuss, but then woke 40mins later? (For him this is 1 sleep cycle) - which is annoying. I lay him back down and put my hand on his back and he settled back to sleep again. Does this mean he wasnít tired enough to sleep through to another cycle? Or is it a self settling issue?
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Just a quick update for anyone who has the same problem with their LO.
After 2.5 weeks DS started to sleep again during the day and night.
Now his first activity time became 6h so if he wakes up at 7am then nap time is rather 1pm. We're capping the nap to 1h (I'm asking the same in the childcare). And he doesn't want to go to bed earlier than 6.5h later (which gives us bedtime close to 8.30pm). So I guess we just have to accept it for now or to cap his naps to 45mins.
The good thing I started hearing him only after 4am if nothing is disturbing him, so he has started sleeping better.
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Naps / Re: Short naps, and forced naps on the go are ruining the day
« Last post by Elauriel on Yesterday at 01:56:48 »
Thanks for the quick reply! He doesn't seem to have a very long A time after a short nap. He slept all day for the newborn stage, and since he "woke up" if he doesn't get a good first nap the rest of the naps are pretty crappy, and he just wants to sleep all day :/ It's also pretty consistent that he wants to sleep at 10 because I catch the end of a certain TV show that ends at 10 and we go up before I can finish it most days. I will try the transfer a few more times from the sling, but he loves being swaddled, so I'm not sure how he'd sleep without it. I could try laying him in the swaddle, doing it up, and then trying to resettle from there. Not sure if that would wake him up more or not, but since he's usually awake anyways it's definitely worth a try!

He also could be so OT from days of no naps that he's consistently tired at 10. It's possible that it's just built up and maybe it will work itself out.

I'm so frustrated that we seemed to have an awesome thing going with a 2-3 hour nap every morning, and then my sister wanted to meet me out shopping at 9:30 once and he missed a nap and has had a short nap ever since! I've been kicking myself about this for 2 weeks like I broke my baby and now he won't nap and I can't get anything done! I need my Y time back!

Ahh yes...gentle removal. I remember that with my older son. I will reread and refresh my memory. Thanks! I will work on routines this week and report back. Cheers!
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Night Wakings / Re: 9mo very unsettled between 4-7am
« Last post by ginger428 on Yesterday at 01:15:01 »
Hi CbabyJ,

I know it can be so frustrating and hard for you with such lack of sleep.  I agree with Creations on all points.. my DS gave me such a hard time with sleep and not taking the bottle so I was also extremely exhausted. And isn't it amazing how different one child can be from the next!  It takes time to figure out their sleep needs but with some effort, you can and it's worth it! Adjusting routines are such a trial and error thing, but it pays off! The thing about awake times and routines is that you really have to stick with it for about 3-4 days to see if it can be ruled out.  Of course there are other factors that weigh in and need to be eliminated as issues, too.

I see about the weight gain...if the last weigh in at doctor's office is fine, then I would proceed with a set routine and feeding schedule appropriate for his age and see if that helps.  We want to try to make all things consistent as best as possible... until we can figure this out.

Did he vomit after crying? How often does this occur?

Like Creations said, sleep cues are hard to read at 9MO. Sticking to 3.5 hrs between naps might help him elongate his naps and not fight them so much.  It could take a week or so if it's a huge adjustment... and we can work on the nights simultaneously so that after a week or two, we can see what's left to tweak.

Below is a link to show you the average Awake times for different ages/stages.
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=248483.0

Here's the routine changes I suggest... it's a routine so give or take some differences, but the general A times and between feedings times are the same.


Awake 725 - super late for him but he had a big vomit episode at bedtime so he wasn't in bed till 830.  That night he had night feeds at 12 and 5.
AT THE 5AM WAKE, OFFER LESS THAN WHAT YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY GIVING... SO IF 15 MINS, 10 MINS.  IF BOTH BREASTS, JUST ONE, AND REDUCE GRADUALLY. THIS FEED IS USUALLY THE REASON LO'S DON'T TAKE A FULL MORNING FEED... MY SON DID THE SAME! FULL FEED AT THE FIRST NIGHT WAKE

Plus a few wake ups before 725 where I just held him quick. LIKE YOU'VE TRIED BEFORE, TRY ALWAYS PATTING AND FIRMLY HOLDING A HAND TO HIS BACK BEFORE PICKING UP UNLESS HE'S REALLY UPSET. THE MORE YOU TRY, (AND IT TAKES A WHILE- FOR US SOMETIMES WEEKS), THE MORE THEY'LL ACCEPT IT.

FEED AT 7:00AM OR LATER, NOT BEFORE IF POSSIBLE.. THIS WILL HELP REGULATE HIS WAKE UP TIME AND BODY'S HUNGER CUES
E BM at 725 - not much - very usual

E solids 830 - tiny amount due to caution with the vomit.  Applesauce and oatmeal plus pear slices
I WOULD ACTUALLY OFFER A SOLID NOT TOO LONG AFTER HIS MORNING BF... PEXCELLENT PRECAUTION... TO RULE OUT FOOD ISSUES, OFFER ONE OF THE ABOVE... PERHAPS JUST OATMEAL AS THAT'S PRETTY HEARTY AND INCLUDES MILK OR WATER, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PREPARE OR JUST THE PEAR SLICES (MY SON LOVED THIS!)

S attempt crib at 950- needed help, was upset,  fell asleep at 1005 - 1145
THIS IS ONLY 2.25 HRS SINCE WAKE UP, SO WITH A 7:25 WU, PUT HIM DOWN AT 10:50 (a few minutes before 3.5hrs). STICK WITH A 3.5 HR AWAKE TIME FOR AT LEAST 3-4 DAYS TO HELP HIM REGULATE. I WOULD CAUTION THAT SOME BABIES DO NEED A SHORTER AWAKE TIME FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, BUT IT WON'T BE THAT MUCH SHORTER... SOME DAYS HE MIGHT BE READY AT 10:30, BUT IT'S STILL AT LEAST 3 HRS AFTER WAKE UP IN THE MORNING.

E BM 1145- big feed still sleepy from waking up
HOPEFULLY HE'LL SLEEP 10:55/11:00-12:30. BECAUSE HE'LL BE GOING DOWN LATER, A SNACK AT 9:30 IS APPROPRIATE... TRY APPLESAUCE OR JUST THE PEARS HERE, AND A TOP OFF BF (NOT TOO MUCH, BUT ENOUGH TO RULE OUT HUNGER BEFORE NAP). TRY NOT TO BF WITHIN THE 30 MINS BEFORE HIS NAP AT 10:55.

E solids 130.  Toast and veggies
WAKING UP AT 12:30 IS PERFECT FOR A LUNCH BF FIRST, THEN SOLIDS.
FEEDING UPON WAKE UP FROM SLEEP IS IDEAL.  IT HELPS REGULATE DIGESTION... SO WE WANT HIM TO BE HUNGRY. THIS IS THE TIME WE AIM FOR A FULL BF.


E BM 245
ABOUT 1-2 HRS LATER, SO IN THIS CASE AROUND 2PM, OFFER SOLIDS AS A SNACK... THE TOAST AND VEGGIES ARE EXCELLENT. THIS HELPS CURB HUNGER BEFORE HIS NEXT NAP TIME BUT WON'T BE RIGHT BEFORE.

S 330-410 in carrier due to going for a walk with the family
IF WAKE UP FROM HIS LAST NAP WAS 12/12:30, THEN HIS NEXT NAP WOULD FALL AROUND 3:30PM.  EARLIER IF HIS MORNING NAP WAS SHORTER.

BF UPON WAKING UP FROM AFTERNOON NAP. DOING SO WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER 3 HRS BEFORE BT NURSING. OFFER "DINNER" OR SOLIDS 1-1.5 HRS AFTER BF.
E solids 515.  Sweet potato, savoury muffin, banana
PERFECT SOLID OPTIONS, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER OFFERING ONLY 1 OR 2 OF THE ABOVE.

E BM at bedtime 645
HIS LAST FEEDING WOULD'VE BEEN AROUND 4, SO TRY FOR A BEDTIME FEEDING AT 7.

In bed at 710 - seemed fairly tired.  Absolute meltdown as soon as hit the crib.  I tried to get husband to settle but this went very badly.  He took a longtime to calm, eventually calming and sleeping around 730
NW at 1130(no feed), 230(feed), 330 (no feed), 520(feed).  Woke at 625 upset so tried to resettle but gave up and up for the day
THE LAST AWAKE TIME TO BED CAN BE SHORTER DEPENDING ON HOW SHORT/LONG NAPS WERE. BUT 7-7:30 IS A GREAT TIME FOR YOUR SON AS HE WAS UP AROUND 4. TRY BT FEED AT 7, AND PUT DOWN IN BED AT 7:30 TO SEE IF IT HELPS HIS NIGHTS.


These are just my suggestions in order to help regulate his sleep and hunger... which is so closely related physiologically. Notice that we are always offering breastmilk first, solids as a secondary to ensure the breastmilk is taken. I know what you mean about the distractions!!! We did the same and made sure it was dark and quiet when my son fed... so hard to do. It does help to make sure they're hungry upon waking from sleep.

Of course this is not a strict schedule but we can aim for eating before sleep, half way between naps, and longer awake times to see if it is in fact his routine that is causing so much nap resistance and night wakes. Hoping for more sleep in your near future!!!
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Night Wakings / Re: 5.5months transitioned to 2naps but still NWs
« Last post by ginger428 on Yesterday at 00:23:56 »
I wouldn't keep extending unless we completely rule it out, which after 3 days you don't see an improvement suggests he doesn't need the longer A time.  Yes, could you please copy paste the nap portion of your response to naps? I want to see if anyone else sees something... thanks!

Just a gentle reminder that around 6 months, he might be waking in the night due to hunger.  If you notice he's eating more or wants to eat more frequently, try to feed him once when he wakes and cries and see how he does.  Doing this for a couple nights won't hurt, but it might help him settle and sleep past that 5am hr.
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