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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by Chloevalentine on Today at 04:29:52 »
I will probably see if he falls asleep on the car ride home. I know I canít transport him to crib for sure but even a short snooze in the car is better than nothing. It happened once before where he didnít fall asleep in the car and then I tried to bring him in to crib for nap and it took forever to settle then a short nap and he woke crying.
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Naps / Re: 5.5 mo old, ready to drop the cat nap?
« Last post by becj86 on Today at 03:48:35 »
Someone told me 4 hours but no way can she make it that long without crashing at bed time.
Oh goodness me, no!

With 2.5hr A time, you're still looking at keeping the CN, just either the naps get shorter or the day longer or a bit of both, by which I mean it will likely be something between these two:
7 - WU, feed
9:30 - nap
11 - wake, feed
1:30 - nap
3 - wake, feed
5:30 - 30min CN
7:30 - asleep in bed

and

7 - wake, feed
9:30 - nap
11:30 - wake, feed
2 - nap
4 - wake, feed
6/6:30 - 30min CN
8/8:30 - asleep for the night

She has a pretty high sleep need from what I can tell so I think even 2 hr 30 min is pushing it but I think she can definitely make it but will take a few days adjusting.
Yes, 2.5hr really is the low end at this age, if I didn't think she was HSN, I would be pushing the jump to 2:45 A time more. Be ready to resettle an OT waking at 30mins into naps and I think you'll have this bedded in within 3 days or so if you're consistent with it.
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by becj86 on Today at 03:41:01 »
Sometimes Id rather just decline the offer
Well this is the other option, or you could invite your mum to visit you...

If its difficult to get him down for a nap, why would it be more difficult if he was up for a bit longer? I often found the extra energy used in visiting relatives meant DS slept a bit earlier which is why I'm suggesting he might fall asleep in the car. I guess if you're unwilling to try and see what happens, that's your call but you'll also never know if it could work.

I would do a very EBT, say 2-2.5hr earlier than usual - it has to be drastic to have a chance at working because if it happens, the OT waking has to happen early enough in the night that its unreasonable to get up and you're motivated to resettle rather than sitting on the fence about it.   
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by Chloevalentine on Today at 03:32:30 »
I just donít think that if he didnít fall asleep in the car for an almost 40 min ride that he definitely wouldnít then go down in his crib after being still for so long in car if that makes sense. How early of a bedtime if he didnít get a nap? With school being out for his brother his naps are already difficult to get him down for these days.  Sometimes Id rather just decline the offer
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Naps / Re: 5.5 mo old, ready to drop the cat nap?
« Last post by hotmessexpress on Today at 01:59:22 »
Thank you @becj86 for your response!

She's trying really hard to make those A times longer! What's her nap like then? How long? Any wakings?
She naps about 1.5 hours at that nap. Some days she will easily transition at 45 min, other days she will wake and coo for 5-10 minutes before going back to sleep. Usually depends on when she wakes in the morning.

- Somewhere in the middle of the road is to do one big jump of 30mins in A time, then increase by 15mins after 4-7 days if necessary. This runs both risks stated above, depending upon the child but I suspect might work nicely for your LO as I have a feeling she may be on the lower end of average A times given her age and current routine.
I think I'll go with this one since it is the easier option. She has a pretty high sleep need from what I can tell so I think even 2 hr 30 min is pushing it but I think she can definitely make it but will take a few days adjusting.

I think nap transitions may be tricky for you because they've been a bit late and done when things are already a bit wonky. Would I be right in thinking that?
YES! I feel like I get the schedule PERFECT to where she's sleeping at exactly the right times and is so happy when she's awake that I think I just stick to it for too long. Then things start to get wonky and then she'll have one day where the schedule works perfectly again so then I feel like she isn't ready for a transition. Then after a day of a perfect schedule, she'll start showing signs of tiredness after only 1.5 hours so then I go back to wondering if she's more tired and I need to put her down earlier? This happened with her 4-->3 transition also until finally I just kept her up two hours and it fixed everything.

Tomorrow I'll get her up and do 2.5 hours awake time. What should I do about the CN for now? Should I try dropping it? What is the longest she should be up from the end of the second nap to bed time? Someone told me 4 hours but no way can she make it that long without crashing at bed time.

Thank you for your help!!! It's so nice to have people to ask for advice! :)


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Naps / MOVED: Naps on the go?
« Last post by becj86 on Today at 00:54:19 »
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by becj86 on Today at 00:53:58 »
You can only try, right? IIWM, I'd probably go in the morning and jump in the car at 12:15 to go home. That way, he'd get a slightly earlier nap if he fell asleep in the car on the way home and you could try transferring him to his cot when you get home or you'll be home 15mins after he'd normally nap and he'd probably nap ok at home then.

Either way if it doesn't work out well, you can plan to be able to do an early BT that day.

Shifting your thread over to Sleeping for Toddlers.
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Naps / Re: 5.5 mo old, ready to drop the cat nap?
« Last post by becj86 on Today at 00:50:11 »
Hi :) You're absolutely ready to move towards dropping the CN! Your routine is picture perfect for a 4 month old... your baby isn't 4 months old any more. You sound like you're doing a great job and just need a little reassurance and guidance, which we can provide.

She's waking as early at 6a. I usually leave her in bed until 7a no matter what. She doesn't cry, she just lays there and coos. But this early wake is throwing off all the naps and she's exhausted by 815 and can't make it to nap time at 9 so the whole day gets moved up
She's trying really hard to make those A times longer! What's her nap like then? How long? Any wakings?

Should I get her up and go with the flow the rest of the day?
Yes, this will make things easier for everyone. There's nothing that says 7am is the magic time when all babies should wake. If it fits in with your family's life to get up at 6:30 when she wakes, do that.

I'm a first time mama so I'm really at a loss of how to go about doing this without getting into her being very OT.
Totally understand you being worried about OT. UT naps can produce OT though, so you've got to keep those A times increasing as your LO grows so they stay appropriate because a little OT for one nap is a very different thing from chronic OT from lots of UT naps. Both can be fixed with child-appropriate routines and time, babies are very difficult to break.

The basic facts as I see them are:
- Your routine currently has 2hr A times and your baby is very used to those.
- Your baby seems quite adaptable (most babies will scream and play up way before now if their routine is not right for them).
- Average A time at this age is 2:30-2:45

I therefore see a couple of options:
- Fix the routine in one big jump of 45mins A time which will result in some OT nap wakings that you can probably resettle and all should be sorted in a week or so. This option does have some OT involved and you have to stick with it or your days can get very messy very quickly.
- Increase A time by 15mins every 3-4 days and you should be just about caught up to where she needs to be in 3-4 weeks. This option runs the risk of being very complex with OT/UT loops establishing and patterns not being reliable to tweak routine.
- Somewhere in the middle of the road is to do one big jump of 30mins in A time, then increase by 15mins after 4-7 days if necessary. This runs both risks stated above, depending upon the child but I suspect might work nicely for your LO as I have a feeling she may be on the lower end of average A times given her age and current routine.

I think nap transitions may be tricky for you because they've been a bit late and done when things are already a bit wonky. Would I be right in thinking that? Its much easier if you increase A time gradually than in big jumps... If you look at average A times going from 1.5hr at 3 months to 2:45-3hr at 6 months, that's about 15mins increase per fortnight.

Hugs, lovely xx We can get this sorted together :)
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Naps on the go?
« Last post by Chloevalentine on Today at 00:40:27 »
My mom often invites us to her house which is about a 30/40 min ride and my lo
Whoís 19 months old naps from 1230-230 so itís hard to go there to visit. He never sleeps in the car so Iím not sure he even wound. What do others do?
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A few questions spring to mind:
- what's her daytime routine? Can you write that our in EAS format, please? If there's not really one, just post a couple of days as they happened.
- do you have a way to soothe her? Have you ever done shush/pat? Does she take a dummy?
- have you tried going to her earlier rather than letting her get really worked up and seen if she will resettle more easily then?
- does anything change in her surroundings after she goes to sleep? eg. lights turning off (I get why, but can you leave them as they are when she falls asleep?), light from other rooms/hallway shining/not shining?, temperature?
- is this a new problem or has she never slept more than 2hr at a time at night since she was born?
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