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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: Starting a routine at 16 weeks
« Last post by SpiritedLIttleOne on May 23, 2017, 18:49:49 pm »
Hi, thanks for getting back to me.

I've managed to mess up the quotes, so please bare with me!

Hello and welcome to BW forums :)

- if you observed her for a few days prior to starting the EASY routine it would be worth you looking over your records and just see if there are any patterns for example if she was ever doing any longer naps and if so what the A times were prior to these naps.  Did she ever do a nap longer than 40/45 mins without needing to be resettled for example, it's useful to know.

I've had a look over the past month and there's been one occasion she's slept longer than 40/45 which followed a 35min sleep, 20min feed, 15min burp and resettle - with an hour and a half nap!

- did you set up a 4hr routine based on your observations of her previous habits or did you take the routine straight from the book?  Most LOs will need a bit of a tweak to the routine so that it suits their development and personality.

I looked at the 3-4 hour easy transition in 5min increments as I wasn't sure about the 2hr A time. I'm more confident of the 4 hourly feeds. She doesn't seem to wake during the sleeps to be fed, just resettled during transitions. But in the end pulled it straight out the book and thought I'd give it a go to see as there had been spells where I'd not see her sleepy cues for that length of time, if not slightly longer. Admittedly I haven't tweaked it at all. Now I feel bad!

- it sounds like she has been napping in her own room for about a month now, I would expect her to be used to the room but if you have any idea that she is still uncomfortable in there I suggest spending some play time in there when you are not expecting her to sleep. Putting the lights on and walking around the room chatting about what is there and what you see, how lovely the room is and so on may help.  Playing peek-a-boo in there can also get her used to seeing you and not seeing you and learning that you always return (face comes back from behind hands, mummy comes back from out side room)

She's been napping in a crib in our bedroom. We change and swaddle her and say goodbye to the sun in her room, as we have more involved black out blinds in our room. She likes her room, plays in her cotbed almost every day and does some tummy time in there etc. She likes our room when we're in there at other times, relaxing listening to music with mummy etc. It just seems to be when she's swaddled and it's dark - an early protest.

Certainly keep the DF and at least one more feed at night. She might even need another.  if it has been 3hrs since the previous E then I wouldn't bother trying to resettle but offer food. If it is less than 3hrs I would resettle.  Don't be in too much of a hurry to drop the night feeds yet, she is still very little

I'm not sure if you've read around the forums or read the BW books - the advice on the forums is different to the books in that more current research is used for breast feeding advice.  As Tracy has passed away it is not possible for the books to be updated.  It is really quite normal for a BF LO to need at least 2 night feeds (DF and 1 or 2 more).

It makes sense. That's what she's doing, but a few extra wakings nearer 7am, but she's relatively easy to settle back to sleep. Touch Wood. I guess I'm in too much of a hurry to STTN! She does fall asleep at the end of her feed whilst still in my arms - is that still considered to be a prop?

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It is possible that if she has always been a very alert and bright LO that she could be lower sleep needs or dislike a long wind down... She could go to sleep at the right time by being taken up later rather than earlier

That is entirely possible, in my ignorance she was sleeping never more than 11/12 hours in a 24 hour period when she was tiny. Shall we look at the routine a tweak times etc first, then make changes to nap routines later down the line?

Here are our timings for yesterday and today
UP 7:15 (we overslept!)
E 7:20
A 2hr10
S 9:25-10:50 (took 30 mins to settle originally & Resettled twice in crib to extend)
E 11:15
A 2hr 20
S 1:10-2:50 (took 25 mins to settle originally & Resettled 3 times in crib to extend)
E 3:00
A 1hr55
S 4:45-5:20 (took 20 mins to settle)
E 6:30
A 2hr10
TU & Bed 7:30 (took a while to settle!)

UP 7:00
E 7:05
A 2hr 10
S 9:10-10:55
E 11:00
A 2hr 15
S 1:10-2:50 (lots of crying when originally settled - took 20 mins to settle originally & Resettled three times in crib to extend)
E 3:00
A 3hr 10 (tried to settle for CN from 4:50!!!)
S 6:00-6:30

We're going to feed at 6:45, then have a bath and massage. Then top up and bedtime for as close to 7:15 as possible (slightly early as she seems tired)

Thank you for looking over this for me.
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Nearly 20 months EW
« Last post by ginger428 on May 23, 2017, 18:45:16 pm »
I would try:
NAP 1:00-2:00
BT 7:15

for a couple days then:

NAP 1:30-2:30
BT 7:30

Do you see any indication of molars coming in? Discomfort can wake kids up between 4-6am.
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Naps / Re: I think my 9mo wants to drop to 1 nap already... what do I do?!
« Last post by creations on May 23, 2017, 18:40:40 pm »
If he'll go down earlier for BT then I'd try that, thr is a chance he will wake the same time the next morning but having had a longer night sleep.  Thing is, he could also do the same length night and wake earlier - it's a bit of a gamble. I'd try it for a couple of days though. It does sound like he needs more sleep.

The other thing you could go for - if he refuses an earlier BT - is to extend the second A time so that he sleeps longer for his CN, however this means later to bed for the night too as he will likely need a decent length A time before agreeing to BT yk?
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Trouble sleeping almost 4 year old
« Last post by greenlady on May 23, 2017, 17:40:17 pm »
Yes, I agree, 9 pm is late for 4 yo and I'd say older.  But if he is happy and not OT during the day, and gets up easily in the morning, then maybe it is.  I know some mums whose kids are 4 and wake up at 5am,  bed after 8.  I'd be trying to "fix"that!  Another thought - is it related to lighter nights - did it happen during the winter too.

Incidentally, I've just come back from a school trip.  Nearly all the kids in the class slept in the bus on the way back.  My DS didn't - talked ALL the way back (1.5 hour long).  Is your DS like that? I think it is just his character, to not miss a thing. So, I'm happy as long as he is quiet once he goes to bed.  He may not go to sleep, but he is resting (occasionally I hear him moving).  I think it is just him and he takes a while to wind down.  More to the point - it means I'm off duty at 8.30, and I really need that!



 
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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: Starting a routine at 16 weeks
« Last post by creations on May 23, 2017, 15:05:33 pm »
Hello and welcome to BW forums :)

Wow it sounds like you're on a mission and have implemented lots of changes recently.  Of course it is going to be really quite different for both you and LO and it is only to be expected to take a little while to adapt to the changes and get into the idea of this new routine. Your LO is likely to fuss about changes, especially if she's been used to co-sleeping and then you move her to her own room and bed - but it sounds like you are making great progress! :)

I can come back later if you have more questions or if I don't cover everything here but for now, a few things:
- if you observed her for a few days prior to starting the EASY routine it would be worth you looking over your records and just see if there are any patterns for example if she was ever doing any longer naps and if so what the A times were prior to these naps.  Did she ever do a nap longer than 40/45 mins without needing to be resettled for example, it's useful to know.
- did you set up a 4hr routine based on your observations of her previous habits or did you take the routine straight from the book?  Most LOs will need a bit of a tweak to the routine so that it suits their development and personality.
- it sounds like she has been napping in her own room for about a month now, I would expect her to be used to the room but if you have any idea that she is still uncomfortable in there I suggest spending some play time in there when you are not expecting her to sleep. Putting the lights on and walking around the room chatting about what is there and what you see, how lovely the room is and so on may help.  Playing peek-a-boo in there can also get her used to seeing you and not seeing you and learning that you always return (face comes back from behind hands, mummy comes back from out side room).

When we enter the room she starts fussing and crying so we have to start with shh-pat on shoulder before I can even try to put her in the crib and say the sleepy words. Should I put her down anyway and try in the crib first? Maybe start the routine earlier so she's asleep by the right time, but then don't I run the risk of her being UT?
Without a bit more background it is hard to tell if she is OT, UT or just unhappy about being in her new(ish) room and going for nap.  Her times might need a tweak to help with this part.
For now I would shush/pat in arms until she is calmer and you feel ready to be put down, then continue in the cot and stay with her, you can shush/pat all the way to deep sleep if needed and gradually wean this as the days go on.  her confidence to sleep alone is key here so support as much as needed and it will come.

Maybe keep the DF and one more feed?
Certainly keep the DF and at least one more feed at night. She might even need another.  if it has been 3hrs since the previous E then I wouldn't bother trying to resettle but offer food. If it is less than 3hrs I would resettle.  Don't be in too much of a hurry to drop the night feeds yet, she is still very little.
I'm not sure if you've read around the forums or read the BW books - the advice on the forums is different to the books in that more current research is used for breast feeding advice.  As Tracy has passed away it is not possible for the books to be updated.  It is really quite normal for a BF LO to need at least 2 night feeds (DF and 1 or 2 more).

It is possible that if she has always been a very alert and bright LO that she could be lower sleep needs or dislike a long wind down. My DS was also very alert and he hated his Activity time being taken up with along wind down, it made him very cross. he liked to go up to his bed no more than 3 mins before his sleep time, quick nappy change, one cuddle and song, into bed, I left he went to sleep in an instant.  yes he was already sleep trained so the situation was a bit different but even so at 4 months we can all learn more about our babies and try different things to see what works best for them.  There isn't anything "to do" about this right now other than keep it in mind as a possibility.  She could go to sleep at the right time by being taken up later rather than earlier.

The NWs I would think will become less frequent when she has greater confidence to sleep alone and this is a combination of routine and learning that you always return when she neds you - she will need you less as a result.

If you'd like to post today's EAS times I can have a look for you?  Sounds like today is a good day :)

Hope this helps for now.
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Trouble sleeping almost 4 year old
« Last post by Chloevalentine on May 23, 2017, 14:56:03 pm »
I'll try a new book and see! He's just so wound up as soon as he gets into the room! I'm really thinking he needs less sleep. I can't think of what else it is and it happpens no matter how busy and active of a day he has. I've been waking him in the morning in hopes that he'll be more tired and ready for bed because I just think 9 pm is way to late for a guy who's not even 4!
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Naps / Re: 2-1 transistion at 9 months?!
« Last post by Chloevalentine on May 23, 2017, 14:50:26 pm »
It's been a long while since he's napped in the afternoon. He usually goes to bed around 630/7 and is up probably around 6 but I'm not really sure of that because he plays quietly in his crib. He has been taking a 1.5-2 hour sometimes more nap in the morning though. In the morning when I wake I look at the monitor and he's always up just messing around in his crib but quietly so i don't really know early he's gotten up. I'm asssuming it's around 6 because that's when I usually get up and he's always already up. But morning naps are getting trickier where he's not passing out right away when i put him in. So I'm not reallly sure how long of an A time he's doing. But he either needs a  longer A time or he's up not as early as I think. We drop off big brother at school and get home around 915. We usually take a walk around the garden or go on the swing weather permitting and this seems to be a good wind down before the nap. Now that he's staying awake longer I'm not sure of a good wind down being that as soon as i put him down to stand he's off playing and I find it harder to get him to go down for a nap. My other lo used to sit for books which was a good wind down but not his guy. Any tips?
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Nearly 20 months EW
« Last post by choc on May 23, 2017, 14:38:29 pm »
So I'm back! He is 20 months now. I cut the nap in the end and we had one week of back to 6.30 wake ups, It looked like this when it was working well:
Wu 6.30
S 1.30 to 2.30
Bt 7

Now we are back to waking at 5/5.30.
 Not sure where to go from here. 😢 any advice?
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Bottle Feeding / 16 week old still refuses a bottle!
« Last post by SpiritedLIttleOne on May 23, 2017, 14:37:10 pm »
Hello,

My 16wo is EBF. She had a tongue tie release done on three separate occasions and had significant issues with latching so I avoided bottles a paci until she was 8/9 weeks. She point blank refuses a paci but have fed from a bottle twice before. She hated it. Screamed and screamed. My partner tried to feed her using one she wouldn't have it. I've tried different bottles, the milk at different temperatures, defrosted milk, milk that's only been refrigerated, room temp milk and even straight after being expressed. We've tried different times of the day - before and after feeds. I've also tried making the teat smell like me.

I'm worried that her earlier experiences have completely put her off. I'd love to be able to go out for the evening with friends, but at the moment need to be home for BT feed and DF!

Can you help me?
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Naps / Re: Nap problems
« Last post by Mononoke on May 23, 2017, 13:50:01 pm »
Can anyone help?
I ran into the same problem last night around 11pm, as I had with Nap. Nothing I did would console her and I ended up nursing her to calm her down (again she was signing milk). She woke up 4 other times and 3/4 of them I was able to sing her a little song and she settled on her own and one of the times I did pu/pd and a song and she settled (she then woke up at 4am for a 5th time (I expected that one) to nurse and went right back to sleep till 635).
What do you do when you can't calm them when doing pu/pd? Also note that although she is 11 months she is not moble at all (doctor said he is not worried and will reevaluate that at 12 months) so it's not like she is standing in her crib - I pick her up off her back when crying
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