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Night Wakings / Re: 5.5 month can self soothe to sleep...but not at night
« Last post by becj86 on February 21, 2018, 06:25:15 am »
Wake & E: 6amA: 6.15am  (if not sooner -she is a speed eater)S: 7.30amE: 9.15amA: 9.30S: 11.15E: 12.15A:S: 2pmE: 4pmA:S:7pm
Beautiful routine for a 3-4 month old baby. Not a 5.5 month old. She needs a serious A time increase and that will help immensely with your NWs. She's almost certainly just not tired enough for a proper night sleep. She'll also be miles easier to sleep train when she's got an appropriate routine.

after an hr & half awake she will spend her time yawning her head off.
Have you tried a change of scenery - different activity? This can be a sign of needing more stimulation too. Can also be a symptom of fluid in her ear and various other things so worth getting her checked by a doctor if you feel so inclined.

With respect to her daytime routine and nighttime sleep, the basic facts as I see them are:
- Your routine currently has 1.5-2hr A times and your baby is very used to those.
- Your baby is doing UT naps all over the place and the long nap in the afternoon is because she's finally tired enough to sleep a full nap
- Average A time at this age is 2:30-2:45

I therefore see a couple of options:
- Fix the routine in one big jump up to 2:30 A time which will likely result in some OT nap wakings that you can probably resettle and all should be sorted in a week or so. This option does have some OT involved and you have to stick with it or your days can get very messy very quickly.
- Increase A time by 15mins every 3-4 days and you should be just about caught up to where she needs to be in 4-5 weeks if I'm being optimistic. This option runs the risk of being very complex with OT/UT loops establishing and patterns not being reliable to tweak routine.

It's been like this since the 4 month sleep regression
This was the time to increase the A time gradually. I think you're in a big hole now and its going to take a big jump to climb back out again. I'm happy to hold your hand through that but you have to be ready to commit to it, stick with it for a potentially rough 3-4 days of resettling OT 30min naps.
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Naps / Re: 5 week old wonít stay asleep for naps
« Last post by becj86 on February 21, 2018, 06:12:19 am »
During the night feed he falls asleep while eating, I hold him upright for 30 min and then lay him down.
Reflux?  Given the 'only sleeps in the car seat', its worth considering. Have a read: https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=654.0 and maybe consider a few of those simple tricks to see if that helps.
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Night Wakings / Re: Now almost 7 Mos and night waking! Help!
« Last post by becj86 on February 21, 2018, 06:10:25 am »
Do you mean let her sleep past her 1.5-1.75 hr nap?  I figured that may cut into her night sleep.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. You can cap the other nap at 45min if she naps 2hr if you want to, but ideally, you let her sleep for one nap at least to 2hr and wake her then or (more gently) when she rouses around 2:15 into the nap.

I think if you were to do that, her night sleep may actually improve as I suspect it may be OT related.
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E.A.S.Y. Forum / Re: Overtired at bedtime 4 weeks old
« Last post by Carly11 on February 21, 2018, 05:34:44 am »
Can I ask- what does everyone do for that last feed before bedtime  swaddle/sleeping bag on then feed or feed and swaddle/sleeping bag?
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Night Wakings / Re: Now almost 7 Mos and night waking! Help!
« Last post by ac333 on February 21, 2018, 05:30:53 am »
Do you mean let her sleep past her 1.5-1.75 hr nap?  I figured that may cut into her night sleep. 
The only set time she wakes is around 10ish usually just before df. Other times are sporadic. She cries when she wakes. And it's quite a sudden loud cry which prob is discomfort.
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Night Wakings / Re: 11(9adjusted) month old feeding every 2-3 hours at night
« Last post by claredm on February 20, 2018, 22:35:32 pm »
Hi
So we started to address this in a dedicated fashion 3 nights ago.
We decided that there would be no feeds before 12, and I would dreamfeed her at 12, and then no feeds until after wake up time (typically 5-5.30am).
First two nights were ROUGH!
Husband did the stretch until 12. I did 12-5am. First two nights she woke every hour. First night clearly some of that was hunger, second night less so.
Night 3 we switched things up, and we do a pick up if needed, then tell her 'we are going to lay you down, give you a pat, then go', and we'd do that and say our sleepy time phrase. That helped a lot. (nights 1 & 2 we stayed in the room until she was asleep - but this didnt work much after 3am because it was so near wake up time, and she is super light sleeper and we have wood creaky floors).
Third night I swtiched to no more dream feeds, but will 'allow' one feed, as long as its after midnight.
Third night she woke but resettled herself with minimal fussing no crying. At 3am she woke, I fed her, and she was hungry (but not as ravenous as the first night at midnight), so I have hope her feeding patterns are shifting (shes drinking and eating more in the day) and she will STTN soon.
All in all a success.
My fear it would be terrible for 2 weeks weren't true, and I wish Id started earlier... But i was so tired and couldn't face it.
I think the issue was a combination of using BF to go back to sleep, and feeding too much at night, so she was actually hungry at night.
Thanks for the help and support.

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Naps / Re: 5.5 mo old, ready to drop the cat nap?
« Last post by becj86 on February 20, 2018, 21:14:56 pm »
Since she can make it 2.5 hours can I just put her straight to bed at 6:30 or is that too early and that's why I need to do the CN?
Sure you can :)

Might be the easiest CN drop ever!! Maybe don't count your chickens just yet but since she takes long naps, you can probably do that fine.

I generally advise against waking from naps because its not particularly nice to be woken from sleep before you're ready but my caveat is that if LO is sleeping more than 2hr, really its best to creep in and just wake them as they rouse at ~2:15 which is around about the next sleep cycle transition or just wake at 2:15 nap time.

Well done you and DD :)
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Naps / Re: 5.5 mo old, ready to drop the cat nap?
« Last post by hotmessexpress on February 20, 2018, 21:01:34 pm »
She's done great today! It's honestly crazy!!

I put her down at 2 and it's 4 and she's still asleep. I'm going to wake her up now.

Since she can make it 2.5 hours can I just put her straight to bed at 6:30 or is that too early and that's why I need to do the CN?
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by Haribo2012 on February 20, 2018, 20:16:14 pm »
Good plan,
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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Naps on the go?
« Last post by Chloevalentine on February 20, 2018, 19:15:04 pm »
We ended up taking a 20 min snooze in car from 135-200. He usually naps 1215/30-230 and goes to bed around 730. Think Iíll try getting him to bed before 7?
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