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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Wake up in morning getting earlier and earlier
« Last post by creations on June 18, 2018, 08:53:24 am »
I would move him to BBB if he's started to climb. I know sometimes it feels like too many changes at once but in some ways it's better to have everything messed up in one go rather than two separate times for the routine to get messed up.
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: EW 21 months
« Last post by creations on June 18, 2018, 08:50:25 am »
Sorry to hear the EW are still happening and seem to have moved even earlier.
I take it you didn't suddenly get lots of new words out of him then.

Is the bedroom totally blacked out?  Early sunrise is a terrible sleep disturbance. Full total blackout could help, any crack of light can effect WU time.


You could try later nap and later BT perhaps?  Shifting the day on to get him past that early morning?  Mine eventually had a nap 2-4pm and BT at 8pm, that was his last routine before dropping the nap, some LOs won't accept that short A time before BT but mine did, with a very long morning A time.
General Sleep Issues / Re: 8 month old restarting sleep training
« Last post by creations on June 18, 2018, 08:44:25 am »

Can you just confirm that morning WU time is 8am please?
A feed and resettle at 6am and then sleep until 8am, yes?

You would get much better results with sleep training if you were to do it for all sleeps as LO gets much more practise of self settling that way.  However it's your choice really sometimes for example people do one nap and the night sleep and leave the other nap for a pram or car nap so they can get out and about etc.  If you do this then ideally you keep the routine consistent every day because the training is based on habit building.

At 8 months I'd expect to see more day time sleep. If your LO is OT from lack of day sleep this could be adding to the number of NWs.  Has your LO always done these short naps of 30 mins?  Are you able to extend one of those naps with a hand on or by picking up or any way at all at the moment?
I would suggest trying to get at least one of the naps longer, pick which you think might work easiest (or which you can do at home in the cot) and sleep train that nap daily, plus BT and I think you are more likely to get results.

Is LO formula fed? I know you mentioned bottle but I'm not sure if it's formula or breast milk.  Breast milk is digested more quickly so LOs tend to need more night feeds where as formula fed LO tend to go longer at night younger. I would think 3 night feeds is quite a lot for formula fed baby to be honest and perhaps some of that is a prop to settle back to sleep.  What size are the night feeds?

- Leo has become really fussy with eating and is not eating much. Could this possibly be due to the night feeds?
Maybe, if he is eating a lot over night he will need less in the day in which case you'd try to move some of the calories to day time. Let's see though which/if any should be dropped before you start.  I could do with knowing if FF or BF and how much at eat night feed and if you have a feeling any of them would be easier to drop.

- I'm thinking of swapping his bottle and bathing around to focus more on his resettling. Is this a good idea?
Some LOs get over stimulated by a bath before BT so baths are moved to another time of day.  But wherever bath time is you do need a BT milk feed just before night sleep.  At this age I actually wouldn't be concerned about brushing teeth after the last milk feed (but I would at 12 months and some do like to switch things earlier...but you have night feeds so milk is staying on his teeth/gums several times anyway at present) but instead just focusing on a good feed and then settle to sleep.  I would not do a last feed before bath time and then not feed again, no.

Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: 13 month old naps gone wonky. need help!
« Last post by creations on June 18, 2018, 08:26:14 am »
APOP = accidental parenting on purpose.  Basically using every trick in the book to get LO to sleep, so holding, rocking, bouncing, car, pram, whatever it takes. The idea of AP (accidental parenting) is what Tracy Hogg warned us against in her BW books, as habits build and we don't want bad habits and props, however doing it as a planned thing for a short nap can sometimes help in the short term when routines are changing.  The "bad habit" doesn't matter so much as the CN drops anyway and when it drops the bad habit drops with it.
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: EW 21 months
« Last post by JCN on June 18, 2018, 05:02:16 am »
Hi - Iím Back! weíre still struggling with EW - any time from 4:30/45  at the minute and no matter how consistent I am with putting him back in bed, itís not helping. By 5:30 we reach screaming and tantrum stage because heís frustrated and/or over tired and then heís of course shattered by mid morning.

Ps: his nursery key workers have identified that heís slightly behind with speech, and I alsonwork in education myself and can see it. He does use some words, Iím not overly worried. But not as many as other toddlers his age.
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Night Waking 12mo
« Last post by NattysMom on June 18, 2018, 00:09:50 am »
Only Monday and Tuesday she had long naps. I donít think sheíd fall asleep any earlier with the other kids still being awake. But if she stays asleep until 645 then that A time is fine. This week I will try wake to sleep at 4am. Hopefully having that wake up time will keep each day more consistent and maybe her naps will get longer.
Just posting a follow up. Weíve made it past the 4 weeks that I had to shorten los nap due to school pick up now school is out but lo isnít napping well now :(. He was a great 2 hour napper prior now heís dong maybe 40 mins to 1 hr 15 mins sometimes he wonít go down at all!
Well today at nap time he climbed out of his crib for the first time and wouldnít nap. He tried to climb out again at bedtime and got stuck and was screamingly. Thankfully he was too tired from not napping to keep trying but I had to take out his old sleep sack. I hope this works. Is it time to put him in a big boy bed? I was hoping to get him back on track with naps first before trying to do the bed transition.
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: We dropped the nap, now night waking
« Last post by Conniesmummy on June 17, 2018, 17:57:03 pm »
Zoe, it was 20 mins after ballet not 30 😂😂
General Sleep Issues / Re: 8 month old restarting sleep training
« Last post by Kamazingg on June 17, 2018, 07:36:15 am »
Hi Creations,

Thank you so much for your response. Using the hand settling in the same way as pu/pd makes so much sense.

Here is his current EASY

8- E(milk)
8.30- A
9.30- E(breakfast)
11/11.30- Nap (only 30 mins)
12- E (milk)
12.30 -A
1/2 - E (lunch)
3/3.30 - Nap (only 30 mins)
4- E (milk)
4.30 - A
6.30 - E (dinner)
7.30. - Bath
8- E (milk)
8.30- bed
12am- milk
4am- milk
6am- milk

A few questions..

- since restarting, I've been focusing on nights. Should I be focusing on naps too?

- Leo has become really fussy with eating and is not eating much. Could this possibly be due to the night feeds?

- I'm thinking of swapping his bottle and bathing around to focus more on his resettling. Is this a good idea?

Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: 13 month old naps gone wonky. need help!
« Last post by Toddlerfun1 on June 17, 2018, 01:21:46 am »
Sorry but what does APOP stand for? I tried looking it up but the page wouldnít open.

Also, I already looked st that link but that confused me so much because there is every combination in there starting even at 9:30 which seems so early considering I have been told by fellow BWers to keep pushing out her morning nap as she has been taking shorter and shorter naps. 6 months ago we were at 10:30 for her first nap so in my brain the next step would be a later nap time but I have tried 11 am, (I guess without a catnap at 5pm) and it resulted in NW and EW. And that was even with a bedtime at 5:30.

I find it weird that she can go from 6am-11am (5hrs) no problem at times but 1-5:30 (4.5) is too much A time. I have thought of putting her to bed at 5 pm but I donít think that would do anything.

And I also find it weird because she is getting two hours with one nap whereas when I split up the naps currently she will have one 30 mins and one 1hr nap and there is less NW and mornings arenít as early. However in the last few days despite the fact that it was working when I put her down at 10:30 and 3:30 each for an hour a week ago she is now only sleeping 45 mins at each time. Grrrr! Every time I think we found a new rythm she changes it. And I mean it changes every few days. And unfortunately like I said I donít have clear signs when she might need earlier or later nap times.
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