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Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: 2nd Yr Molar Sleep Chaos!
« Last post by Haribo2012 on August 14, 2017, 21:00:21 pm »
I'd give pain meds and try at 8.45!?
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: 2nd Yr Molar Sleep Chaos!
« Last post by JennVanessa1083 on August 14, 2017, 20:51:38 pm »
Hmmmmm that's exactly why I don't want to go down the route bc I know he's in pain and he might need the sleep. So what's a good A for after a 2 hour nap?

Today he did:
WU 7:15 am (9.25 hrs of sleep)
S 1:55-4 pm
BT ?

Maybe I'm just not putting him down at the right time given his molars?
General Sleep Issues / Re: 10 wks, routine help pls
« Last post by jessmum46 on August 14, 2017, 20:36:16 pm »
This link is really helpful -

Routine looks good :)  Personally I never woke from naps - the only reason to really is to make sure you get enough feeds into the day or if too much daytime sleep is disturbing the nights.  If it's going well, don't change it!
General Sleep Issues / Re: Sleep advice for 4 month old please
« Last post by jessmum46 on August 14, 2017, 20:33:11 pm »
At 4 months I think I would be generally aiming for 3 naps and keeping that catnap in reserve for really bad days where it's all gone very wrong!  I found keeping 4 naps for longer than needed really messed up my DS's night sleep (DD was a rubbish napper so it was never an issue....). 

It's tricky if you are about to head away and likely be unable to stick to much of a routine, but there's no time like the present!  Will your holiday plans allow you to time outings around naps?  Or will it be very much 'winging it'? 

To answer your questions - when DS was tiny and DD was a toddler (2y5m age difference) I used to let DD watch TV or play a game on the iPad while I put DS down.  However, I did also modify my sleep training approach to 'do the bare minimum' - so I would do a little routine, put him down in bed and leave him to it unless he was upset.  I responded immediately if he needed me and would always stay while he did, but if he was calm I tended to leave rather than using shh pat all the way to sleep every time.  Possibly it was his personality, but he got it very quickly!  There were days when he did struggle and I abandoned in favour of the sling because you just can't leave a toddler unattended for that long.  But we did get there - hope that gives you hope!

In terms of BT routine for your DD2 why not at least get the routine in place (bath, PJs etc) even if for now you still BF to sleep?  Is the BF to sleep causing issues do you think?  I only ask because my DD BF to sleep for about the first 6-7 months (bad naps = exhausted bubba!) but gradually just stopped falling asleep and it never affected nights really.  But if you do want to stop then PUPD is pretty rough - I'd start with a feed just slightly earlier in your routine so you know she isn't hungry (possibly feed, bath, PJs?) and then use shh pat instead of PUPD.  Or go for bath, PJs, feed but do it in a bright room and take her off and stir her as you put her down so she's aware even if sleepy that she's going into the cot.

The order of our bedtime has changed as both kids have grown and developed and needed different things in terms of sleep.  First few months we preserved the older one's bedtime at all costs.  Then moved to doing stories together then putting younger one in bed then older one (a few mins apart).  Now we do younger one's whole routine and into bed before starting the older one.  It really depends on your kids and their sleep needs (and whether or not you have help) but kids seem to learn to deal with each other being around and it does all work out ok in the end x
Sleeping For Toddlers / Re: Trouble getting 16 month old down
« Last post by Tabathagucci on August 14, 2017, 20:29:23 pm »
Thank you!  I think I'll start with 12:45 after this week and see how it goes.  My son will now be in school till later so I can make it work.
Second night of dropping the feed went slightly better.  It still took 2 hours and I still went in 3 times but each time I went in was easier and shorter than the night before.  The bonus??? When she woke at 6:45  after being back to sleep for 1 hour...she went back to sleep again till 7:55 am!!!  Yayyy!!!!  Hays without me going in at all....
How are you getting on?

Have you seen this?  Possible a less 'rip the plaster off' kind of approach than PUPD?
Night Wakings / Re: 4 mo. old night waking
« Last post by jessmum46 on August 14, 2017, 20:18:38 pm »
When she was first on the 4h routine was this waking an issue?  I wonder if she could need a bit of an A time push if it's something that has happened more recently?  What about stretching her A times by 10-15 mins or so and see if that helps?
General Sleep Issues / Re: Sleep advice for 4 month old please
« Last post by _Elisanah_ on August 14, 2017, 20:16:40 pm »
Just to add-

Yesterday she woke at 6.30 - then napped 8.30-9, 11-12.15 and 2.30-3.30 ...then wouldn't go down nap so  fell asleep at 6.45 and stayed asleep on me all evening until i put her down around 9.30.

Today she woke at 7, napped 8.50- 9.30, 11.15-12ish, 2-3.15,5.30-6pm. Then wide awake when i tried to do bedtime just after 7! Although sleepy since 8ish but not enough to go down.

As you can see she's actually managed some longer naps but they're all in the wrap. Her morning naps seem to be consistently that okay? I wonder whether I should be aiming for 3 naps now without a cat nap?
General Sleep Issues / Re: 10 month standing in crib training
« Last post by jessmum46 on August 14, 2017, 20:16:13 pm »
Hi there again :)  His A times are really quite short for 10 months.  Although babies are all different, and some need more sleep than others, I would expect 3h-3h15 for babies of around 7 months old as an average, and possibly heading for 3.5-4h or so by 10 months.  I would give his A times a good push and see if that helps with settling quicker.  UT babies are awful!! 
General Sleep Issues / Re: Am I doing something wrong?
« Last post by creations on August 14, 2017, 20:15:28 pm »
I would increase the first A time to the full 2hrs if you are still doing 1hr 45 and do the W2S as well for 3 days on that nap.  It could well me that the second nap is going longer because the A is a bit longer and because it comes after a shorter nap so he is more tired.  As you had said you only increased the A time between naps 1-2 so perhaps that's the reason for the short first nap, too short an A time.
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