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Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 28, 2008, 00:46:22 am »
I don't know how much longer I can go on, honestly.

Isabella will be 29 months old on Friday. She's NEVER been a good sleeper, my fault. I instilled bad sleeping habits right from the start. Nursing her to sleep when she was a baby. Once weaned, I'd rock her. Now that she's in a bed she needs me to lay with her until she's asleep. I've tried sitting on the edge of the bed, she won't have it. This "laying with her" turned into hourly wakings through the night to get mommy back in to lay with her again. She's stubborn and my nerves are shot. I cannot listen to the crying and whining any longer.

I finally bit the bullet and let DH take over the initial "lay with her" and night wakings and it's gotten much better MOST NIGHTS. It doesn't take very long for her to fall asleep, and she usually only wakes once briefly in the night.

Now we've gotten into the SUPER early morning wakings. She's ALWAYS been up before 6am, most days it's 5:30 - so it's dark. Pitch black in fact. It looks like night so she really doesn't know the difference between light and dark I guess. The last 5 days it's been before 5am wakings. Friday morning she was up at 4:15am for the day. She WILL NOT go back to sleep. Once she's up, she's up. The early wakings wouldn't be so bad if she was sleeping right through, but she's not. I can only do one battle at a time. My first battle is the night wakings.

The last three nights have been particularly bad. Nothing has changed in her weekday or weekend routine however she's been crying throughout the night. Every hour she's crying, nightmare crying. Last night was REALLY bad. She cried from 10:15pm until almost 5am this morning. She's visibly asleep but crying and upset. I don't know what the problem is. These are not night terrors because she's not thrashing around or hysterical but she's upset and very unsettled. Last night there was alot of "Mommy, Mommy" crying. It's heartbreaking and nerve shattering all at the same time. How much can one person take?

I feel like a failure. Why doesn't my kid sleep? She has all her teeth. She's healthy, she eats well, plays hard and is happy during the day. WHY DOESN'T SHE SLEEP??? WHAT THE HECK IS THE PROBLEM!?!?!?!?!

I know you'll want her routine. Well, here's a touch of what it looks like.

Milk around 6am.
Breakfast between 7:30and 8am
Snack at 10am
Lunch at 11:30am
Nap 12:30pm-1:45/2pm
Yogurt-3pm
Dinner 5:15pm
Bath, story, bed: 7:45pm

I don't think I can go on like this anymore. DH is sick of me talking about it all the time but we have to do something. PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Linda

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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 02:17:04 am »
Linda, I think maybe you could go & see a sleep specialist. They can monitor her at night & maybe put a plan of action for you for the nightwakings




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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 02:23:41 am »
 :-* :-* :-*  and (((HUGS)))!

My only suggestion is adding in a snack before bed.  Ryan has named it his "Night Night Snack."  Sort of weird, since we never call going to bed night night, but whatever.   :P  If she's eating dinner at 5:15, you might get a little more sleep in the morning if she is hungry (which is why you are giving her milk at 6, I'm guessing).  This helped when we were getting early wakings.  

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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 02:25:04 am »
I asked my family doctor for a referral she said that Isabella doesn't have a sleep disorder. She wouldn't give one to me. She said that some kids just take more time than others to learn how to sleep. I think it's time for a second opinion.
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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 02:26:41 am »
she usually does have something before bed. A cookie, some cereal, crackers. Then she has milk before bed too!
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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 02:50:36 am »
Linda, to be honest with you.. I think this is an issue of her not knowing HOW to get to sleep. She's always been aided in some way or another. I think you and DH really need to work out a way to deal with the nightwakings & do the same thing night in, night out!

Inconsistency is a BIG factor here... she was nursed, rocked, bottlefed, co-slept with & she just doesn't know how to fall asleep.... so yeah she is waking up 9-10hrs later unable to get back to sleep.

An earlier bedtime is a MUST... she's been waking up early for a long time now & I think I might have mentioned in my previous posts about trying for an earlier nap & bedtime. So earlier nap, earlier bedtime... no later than 6.30-7pm!!!



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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 03:07:56 am »
I do think that learning independent sleep is important and most definitely a factor in why you're having so many sleep issues.  I also think that overtiredness might be playing a role.  However, I know tons of kids whose parents used an attachement parenting approach to sleep (basically what you have done, by first nursing, then rocking, then lying with her to get to sleep), and I have not heard of one who sleeps as poorly as your DD does now.  I'd honestly say I think it's more than just a lack of sleep training, because thousands upon thousands of kids are never sleep trained and still sleep much, much better than this.  I would definitely push for a sleep study myself.  It's true that some kids learn to sleep well later than others, but almost all are sleeping through the night or close to it (maybe one night waking) at age 2.5 years.

First prong, I think you should start by teaching independent sleep.  I think the gradual withdrawal approach where you sit next to her while she falls asleep and then move the chair in increments until you're out of the room is the nest way to go.  When she wakes at night, go right back to the chair until she falls asleep.  Every three nights, move the chair further away until you're out the door.  If you don't think it will mean nap doesn't happen at all, then try it for nap at the same time, but if it's going to be a battle, just deal with the bedtime and nightwakings until you're ready to tackle naps.

I also would move bedtime earlier, to 7 pm, and start nap no later than noon, possibly as early as 11:30, given her early waking.  Once she's sleeping better, the early waking might take care of itself.  It might not.  I have to say I'm no expert in this, because I've so far been blessed on that score, so check out the early waking support thread on this board for help with that.

{{{HUGS}}}.  You must be utterly exhausted.
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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 01:06:43 am »
Thanks everyone for your advice, I really appreciate it!

With regards to the earlier naps. When she's at home with us on the weekends, we can put her down for her naps earlier, but when she's at daycare during the week, she WILL NOT go down earlier. She goes down very easily when she sees the other kids going down, but if my DCP tries to get her to go down before them, there's no way she does. It's a struggle every step of the way and then most times, she ends up not napping at all. We all know what a disaster that is.

Now, with respect to an earlier bedtime, it's almost impossible. We don't get home from work till almost 5pm. By the time we've had dinner and cleaned up and played for a bit it's already 6:30. We usually go up and start the bedtime routine shortly after that.

Last night, we put her to bed at 7, the night wasn't as bad. She has been off the past few days though, not herself. She's usually such a happy child during the day; very independent, loud, full of activity. This past weekend, she was whiny, clingy, little appetite. It reminded me very much of when she was teething. I know that's not it because she has ALL of her teeth. She used to LOVE dinner time. Since Saturday night she hasn't wanted much. Tonight in fact, she ate 2 chicken nuggets and wouldnt eat anything else. Then while we were reading a book, she was sucking in her stomach and pushing on it. She had a big poop earlier so I don't think it was that. I asked her if her tummy hurt, she said no. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Please, please, please...help...anything, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2008, 02:32:51 am »
It does sound like something else is afoot now-- she might be coming down with something.  My DD1's not a big eater, but when she refuses to eat ANYTHING all day, I know she's probably going to be spiking a fever within 24 hours.  That said, I agree with Stacy that this is probably just exacerbating the longstanding sleep issue.

It does sound like an earlier bedtime would be really tough to accomplish.  I know over here our 3.5 year old needs a pretty long wind-down-- like an hour-- so trimming it down to get her to bed earlier wouldn't work too well.  But that doesn't mean it wouldn't for your DD.  You maybe could do bath in the morning instead to cut some time?  Also, for some kiddos, bath actually stimulates them and makes it harder for them to go down.  Maybe worth a try?

It sounds like nap kinda has to be when it is, huh?  That's too bad, but you can make it earlier when you're home with her.

Out of curiosity, does she go to sleep independently at daycare?  Because if she does, she CAN, so you know that it's simply a matter of getting her to do it for you, too.

Hope you have a better night and I hope your DD isn't getting sick. :(
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mom to Lilah, 9-5-04
Iris, 1-8-07
and Eve, 4-9-09