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Offline emmiebruce

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Naps all gone wrong, need help!
« on: April 03, 2009, 07:35:41 am »
I need some help deperately to get my lo;s naps sorted.  I posted this in getting back on track but it's so quiet in there and I need all the help I can get!!  He is 24 weeks and in the last 3 weeks we have both slowly lost the plot as regards our routine.  We were on a nice 4 hour easy with long naps of 1.5 to 2 hours but now I'm back to short naps.

Ollie used to have an A time of 1hr 45 which led to good naps but that doesn't seem long enough any more and I although I have been adding to it in 5/10 min increments I can't seem to find that magic time when he will settle and sleep well.  Last week he was going back to sleep for his morning nap without any help, he would just play in his cot and fall asleep when he was ready, I was hopefull that this would continue but then the weekend came and he didn't do it and hasn't done it since.

Yesterdays routine was all over the place, he is teething and seems more tired than normal:

6.20 wake and eat
play in cot
8.45 sleep (40 mins)

9.30 wake, dress and have breakfast
play
10.30 rubbing eyes already
10.45 asleep in pram (40 mins)

12.00 bottle
play
1.30 (ish) rubbing eyes again
1.40 sleeping in pram

2.00 wake and lunch
3.30 bottle
3.45 sleeping in pram

5.00 tea
6.30 bedtime

I just don't know where to start to get things back on track, lo slept in the pram a lot yesterday so that I could put him outside in the fresh air and I admit that I did use it to help him get to sleep as he was in danger of OT.  Not so long ago we had a great routine where he would go into his cot, lullabyes on and just go to sleep by himself so things have totally spiralled.  Any advice would be great...

thankyou Emma and Oliver x   

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Re: Naps all gone wrong, need help!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 15:11:18 pm »
Teething often makes them more tired than normal, so WTG on spotting that! At your LOs age, A time is usually around 2.25-2.5 hours.  So, I have a feeling that your old time *was* too short, but that with teeth he's not *quite* ready to do the longer A times you're trying.

It looks to me that the first nap is not timed correctly and so the rest of the day he's OT and has trouble catching up to sleep.  Plus, a nap in the Pram just isn't going to be long.  By this age many LOs have trouble sleeping for long periods anywhere but their cribs. 

Looks like you did 2h25 for first A time.  Since that's near the upper limits for the age group, I'm guessing it's too much since he's teething.  I'd probably go back to 2 hours in the AM and see how that works.  If you still get a short nap, increase by 10 minutes and see how that works.

He fell asleep for 2nd nap after only 1h15, and I suspect that's because of the short nap before.  Since he was in the pram, it's difficult to tell whether that could have been a long nap or not.  Most likely, though, the A time was too short and you get a short nap.

Your other A times are all over the place and the pram sleeping makes it difficult to know what's really going on.

So, let's start our morning with the 2h A time and see how that works.  We'll slowly increase from there.  Keep all A times at 2 hours throughout the day and record what happens.  I think in 3 days we'll have this all sorted! So treat this like a science experiment and just track his reactions to this A time precisely.

HTH!
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Re: Naps all gone wrong, need help!
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 17:47:56 pm »
Many thanks for your advice, the pram wasn't a good move I know but I had a number of reasons for using it, not least that he cfries when he's put in his cot but is happy to lie in the pram and fall asleep with less fuss.  I know it was AP but to be honest I am at the end of my tether, nighttime is up and down too, some days good and others less so, tonight he has been crying for 10 mins and I just don't know why, until the clocks changed we didn't have a problem...

I have tried the 2 hour A time, and although happy enough to go in his cot with his teddy comforter he didn't fall asleep until 2hr 10 so maybe that is the time to try tomorrow, he needs about 5 mins to settle so I am going to go for 2 hr 5 min to put him down. 

I can't believe things have spiralled so badly, we have a big family wedding at the end of May and I am dreading it.  Right now I feel like I don't know my little boy at all after doing do well :-(

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Re: Naps all gone wrong, need help!
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 19:19:28 pm »
((((hugs)))) dear.  Let me tell you, the next year is just going to be fraught with sleeping difficulties, no matter HOW much you stick to a good BW routine!  I actually just had this conversation with another mum to a 4 month old.  I sort of went into sleep training with the idea that once I had him napping well and STTN then I was done! I could cross sleep off our list, and work on the other parenting stuff like, oh, teaching him calculus by age 2.  ;D HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's not how it works at all! The first year they just go thru soooooooo many changes.  They triple their birth weight in a year, go from not being able to even control arms and legs to walking! Not to mention up to 12 teeth poke thru and those things are SHARP!  Then you have illness, emotional changes, etc.  It's a whirlwind experience for them, and all those changes can cause sleep disruptions.

What the BW method is for is to give you and your child a framework to work with.  Then you both have a lovely predictable structure that gives your days some form.  This will help you achieve wonderful sleep when things are going right.  When things go wrong, it gives you a place to come back to.  No one can go thru the whole first year without short naps and NWs.  They crop up for EVERY child -- I don't care how wonderful the mommy or how great the sleeper! They are unavoidable.  But BW will give you a way to come back from those disruptions to a sane routine. 

And  I can't TELL you how much this routine is helpful when they are older.  After age 1 the changes really slow down in frequency.  And you are left with a child who is extremely used to a routine and so that helps get over the bumps that *do* crop up in the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th) years.  My friends envy me having a son who when I say "5 minutes until bedtime!" he says "OK, mama!" and just hops upstairs without complaint.  Lots of routine-less toddlers have screaming fits, beg to stay up later, etc. eliminating the quality time that parents need to regroup after a long hard day.   What you're doing right now is building the foundation for that agreeable toddler of the future.  Not only that, you'll reap the sleep rewards most days.  It's just that sometimes, no matter how hard you stick to your routine, your child is going to have sleep disruptions every now and again.


Whew.  That was long! But I remember how frustrating it was when we hit our first rough patch after Owen learned to STTN and I was devastated.  I really thought I had sleep problems kicked and it was humbling to find out that I wasn't done.  Sigh.  But it's all good experience that will go to help another BW member down the road!  :)



If he takes 10 minutes to settle and sleeps a looooong nap (1.5 hours or more), then you're doing fine! Actually, typically it takes around 20 minutes for a child to fall asleep.  That's considered 'normal'.  If it takes him 10 minutes to settle and then he short naps, then yes go ahead an move up 5 minutes and see if that helps.  Make sense?  The way you know you've got the right A time is the nap length: if it's a good quality nap, then your timing is right.  If your nap is short, your timing is wrong.


The end of may is a looooong way off, especially in the life of your LO!  My goodness, that's nearly 1/3 of his life right there! So a lot will change.  You will be amazed at how different he becomes over the next 2 months!  You'll probably be closer to a 3 hour A time by then which is when life got fun for us! We could go somewhere and not worry about missing nap.  So hang in there!
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Re: Naps all gone wrong, need help!
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 18:22:59 pm »
Hello Emma,I have similar problems like you and just made a separate post. My Lo is 6,5 mo and life has become chaotic lately, no naps, NWs, EWs. It s hard, isn't it?

Becky, your lines are extremely helpful and somehow comforting and even though I am very tired you reassured me that trying to get back to a routine is important.  I did not know that teething can mean less A time, I did not know that after all those sh pat sessions and 3 months STTN we will have to worry about sleeping again.  sigh

thanks for the great thoughts!
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