Where to go from here??

[LucySol]

Hi All,i wonder if someone could help me out with my dd routine.She is 12 months.i just cant seem to get it right.She is up for the day by 6 ish after an 11 hr night.i have tried this:
10.00-12.00 sleep try for another 4hr A and get a sleep at 4pm but she will not have it,jumping around the cot,singing and it takes up to an hour to fall asleep which then buggers up bedtime.

i have tried a 30 min AM nap and a long pm nap 3 hrs later and she does perhaps a 1.5-2hrs which is gr8 but then i get NW and EW both times singing and chatting

so reduced her morning A a little and am getting 1hr ish both morning and afternoon and i dont think this is enough as she is quite ratty.

Any ideas??

[speechie]

Hmmm... the 2-1 switch is rough, yes?
How about
Wake: 6 ish
nap:9:30-10:45 sharp
play play play
nap:2:30-3:30PM
play play play
bedtime at 7:30PM
That is similar to what worked for us for a while. But we were in the switch for soooo long.
hugs, it's hard.

[Mashi]

Cathie that is close to what we are doing here - times are slightly adjusted a bit, but it's essentially the same.  What I've worried about though is the 10.5 hour night, is that enough at 12 months?

[speechie]

Hi Mashi- good question- I think it really depends on the kid- for some with lower sleep needs, they may be perfectly cheerful on 10.5 hour night with 2 good naps. Also, some spirited kids and gifted kids tend to require less sleep- or seem to anyway!
Here is the usual sleep needs from 1-2 years:

1 year old                                                              2 naps, 1 of 1 hour and 1 of 1.25-1.5 hrs
                                                                                11.5hrs at night

                     The transition to one nap usually occurs in the 12-18 month range

18 months old                                                        1 nap - 2 hrs
                                                                                11.5hrs at night

2 years old                                                             1 nap - 1.5hrs
                                                                                11.5hrs at night

[~Alexa~]

Hi Lucy!! I think you're getting great advice from Cathie!!  She's great!  I just wanted to send you some (((hugs)))!
I'll be reading along in case I can help you!

Hugs

[speechie]

Thanks for the kind words, Alexa!
How are you doing now, Lucy??

[LucySol]

i dont know!! a bit of a pickle i think?!!! 

we figured out that she needed to be awake by 2.30 ish to a)go to bed without any problems and b)to get any nw or ew(both singing and chatting jumping around the cot so they were def not OT NW or EW) so we did a short am to be able to get a lunchtime nap by 12.30 and therfore awake by 2.30.A 30 min am nap was too long so we went to 15 mins am and then a longer lunchtime nap,so it looked like this;
6.00 wake
9.30-945
12.30-1.30/1.45 she has never been a good sleeper and seems to be v.low on sleep needs so i was quite happy with this.
6.30 bed

it was all gr8 till she started to refuse the am nap.she now has gone cold turkey over the last few days to 1 nap.i dont know whether im doing right or wrong.she is def getting OT at present as im getting an hr nap so basically she is having an early bedtime to help this.her nights have been 12+hr so she is definately sleeping better here but im so confused.im unsure whether to just push thru the OT and hope she comes thru the other end.we are looking a bit like this:

6.30 wake
12.00-1.00
6.00 bedtime

on a selfish note things are so much nicer for us to be able to get out more in an afternoon and not be ruled by naps and now we can meet up with friends for playdates etc.
what do you think?

[clazzat]

Would she go to sleep at 11?  Maybe by putting her down earlier she will sleep a bit longer and get you closer to that elusive 2.30 wake up.  Once you have got her to the point where she is sleeping longer, you can move the nap 5-10 minutes every few days and get back to the "right" time.

[LucySol]

Hi Clare!! i just put this on our thread hoping you would help me out when you came on! i got 30 mins at 11am when i tried that!

[clazzat]

11.30?  Sounds to me like it might be worth jiggling a bit to see if you can find the 'magic' moment!  Gut feeling is that it should probably be earlier than 12.30 rather than later, though.