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8 month old- shortening naps?
« on: August 23, 2009, 16:53:13 pm »
Hello there,
My almost 8 month old lo has been on a 4 hour routine since she was 6 months. It was tough to get her there but so great once we did! She had 2 hr A time and took 2 great 2 hour naps with 1 catnap. She also went down for naps very quickly and quietly with sitting in a chair until she was drowsy and then putting her down. She just recently at 7 months started sleeping through the night  (for the most part). She is in daycare 4 days a week where they do not follow her routine, but she always went right back to it on the days she was home.
Now, she is shortening her naps to 1 hr 15 min-1 hr 30 min, but can't seem to increase her A time. She wakes up from her naps talking and playing so I can't extend them, but then quickly acts tired again. I even leave her in her crib until close to her full nap time but she will not go back to sleep. At daycare, she stays awake longer because she's too busy or no one is available to put her down to sleep until later, but that does not usually end up with good naps. Her routine before was wake at 630, nap 830-1030, nap 1230-230 and 430-515 with bedtime at 730. She is also still on 5 bf a day with solids 3 times a day (want to keep 5 feeds for now).  She is also crying hard before her naps and fights going down. I've tried putting her down later, but that doesn't work either. She is going through a lot of developmental things now too: getting up into sitting by herself, crawling, and one tooth just came through. Her short naps have been going on for a couple of weeks now.
This is what her days at home are starting to look like
wake 630
E 630 bf then solids
A 630-830
S 830-1000 (sometimes shorter)
A 1000-1215 (try to get her to her normal naptime of 1230 but does not always work)
S 1215-145 (sometime only an hour)
E 145 then solids
A 145-400 (if possible. if not then she'll go down for a nap at 330 or 345 and sleep until 5 or 515)
S 400-500 or 330-500/515 (tends to be her longest nap of 1 hr 30-1 hr 45 if she has 2 shorter naps)
E 500/515 bf then solids
A 630 bath
E 700 feed and in bed by 730.

On daycare days, she wakes at 600, takes 2-3 naps of varying length, and then takes a catnap from 515-600 on the way home, in bed by 730. She was taking 2 long naps at daycare too, but that has changed recently.
What should I be doing to get her back on track? What should her A time be at almost 8 months? I was hoping we were moving toward just 2 naps on days we're home ( she really needs that catnap on daycare days) but I feel like we're going backwards.
Any help is greatly appreciated. 

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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2009, 22:21:20 pm »
Hey

Here's some info for you:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.0

Late 5 months/early 6 months 2.25-2.5 hours
6.5 - 7 months 2.75-3 hours. Some are getting more.
8 - 10 months 3 - 4 hours. Some are getting more

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85130.0

6-8 months                                                            Two naps 1-2 hours each;
More mobility; able to                                                   10-12 hours at night
sit and crawl


At this age, A time is anywhere between 3-4 hours and most have only 2 naps.  I would start extending your LOs At times consistently as 2 hours is short for this age and would explain the naps shortening and the fighting going down for naps.    Maybe add 15 minutes to the A time and keep an eye for OT.  All the developmental stuff can definately affect sleep and A time so thats why its better to do it slowly but surely rather than take a big jump IYKWIM. 

HTH....am headed to bed but will be back tomorrow as am not sure I've made too much sense! 





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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2009, 22:30:54 pm »
If I increase her A time, how do I maintain her feeds? If I can see it in EASY form, that makes more sense to me :)

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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2009, 23:30:57 pm »
Sounds to me like your LO is ready to start increasing her A, heading to 2 naps (except maybe on daycare days, like you said).

You could extend by 15 mins. every 3-4 days or so. With my DD, I usually had to go more slowly, maybe closer to a week, but she's a spirited/touchy little thing, so your LO might be able to roll with it a bit more.  Whenever I've extended A time, I try to keep the last bit super low key. I've found that popping her in the sling while I do housework works really well. Anything calm and not too stimulating.

The EAS may get a bit messy for a bit.  You're at 2 hr A now, so your next step would be 2 hr 15 for a few days, so you could try:

E 6:30 then solids
A
S 8:45-10:45
E 10:45 then solids
A
S 1:00 - 3:00
E 3:00 then solids
A
S 5:00 - 5:30
E 7:00
S 7:30

You'll have to really watch your LO to see what works. You may have to follow more of a EAES type thing for a bit. I remember once we hit about 3 hr A, I was concerned DD would be waking hungry from naps, so we had some split feeds and snack days.
Go for 2:15 or 2.5 A and let us know how you get on. Good luck!


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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2009, 23:38:32 pm »
Thanks! That is so helpful! I have been breast feeding her at 530 and 700 at the end of the day anyway on days we're home so I can still keep 5 feeds even though they are on top of each other. We'll see how it goes. ;)

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 23:47:01 pm »
Sounds like a plan! Let us know what happens!


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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 21:27:58 pm »
Ok, so this isn't going so well. Daycare days I have no control over, so it is what it is. Today, she has been doing 2hr 15-30 min. Her first nap was 2 hrs but she woke twice and I had to resettle her. Her second nap she woke at 45 minutes. This hasn't happened since she was 3 months old. She is still crying before naps.It seems like her naps are even worse. At least last week they were a solid 1 1/2 hrs. Also, I just can't figure out how to get 5 feeds in before bed with 2 1/2 hour A time. That has been key in her sleeping through the night. What am I doing wrong?

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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2009, 00:01:01 am »
Hey there kayasmama! Sorry to hear things aren't going well....  :-\

What days/how many days is your LO in daycare?

I know you're wanting to fit in 5 feeds, but I'm wondering at this age, if you LO might be able to handle 4 feeds. She may be likely to take more at each feed???

How is she sleeping at night?

Maybe you could post your routine from the last couple days so we can get a better idea of exactly what's happening. She's been on your previous routine for some time, right? It may be she's just having trouble adjusting to a new routine and will need some more time to adjust. Or might need to go more slowly, say only 10 mins. at a time instead of 15 or 30....

{{hugs}} I know how frustrating it is when naps don't go as planned... Hang in there. We'll sort it out!





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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 17:02:27 pm »
She is in daycare MTThF. She had been sleeping great at night with an off night here or there, but last night was bad. Here is what yesterday looked like:
Woke 645-yippee!
E 645 bf and solids
A 645-915: tried to put her down at 900 but had a hard time settling
S 915-1115 but woke 2 times. I woke at 1115.
E 1115 and solids
A 1115-130
S 130-215
E 215 bf
A 215-430. Refuse catnap
E 515 bf and solids
615 bath
E 645- early because so OT
Ate on and off until 745! Did not go down to sleep until 830.
She woke every 2 hours last night until we gave seconds dose of Tylenol. ( First one was before bed due to possible teething.
Not sure what's going on with my lo. Oh yeah and now she is crying when I leave her at daycare, which she never did before.
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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 12:49:14 pm »
Oh kayasmama! You must be exhausted!

So, right now your LO sounds super OT.  We need to reduce A times for a couple days and help her get caught up on sleep. Even a little APOP. Whatever it takes so she can rest.

I'm thinking there may be some other things going on too... Teething or maybe SA. But the first thing to tackle is the OT.

If she is teething, you could try Motrin. This has seemed to help my LO a bit better than tylenol.  THere are also some homeopathic products which are great. And most contain chamomile which can help with the sleep!

Once she is better rested, then we can try to extend her A times again, but not until she is caught up on sleep and better able to handle it.

Huge HUGS! These nap changes are such a PAIN! DD is transitioning to one nap right now and it can be so frustrating trying to figure out her days!!! The cycle is vicious. The UT naps lead to OT, then you have to start all over.
I'm here to support you any way I can.  :-*  :-*


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Re: 8 month old- shortening naps?
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2009, 17:41:29 pm »
We can't seem to ger past the OT now. She is taking 1- 1 1/2 hour naps and waking up still sleepy. Her nights are still bad too. She sometimes wants to sleep before 2 hrs which is putting us back on a less than 4hr routine. She is taking less with bf but eating her solids well. Should I just push her A time until she adjusts? The only problem is that daycare will put her down when she is tired.

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2009, 00:55:00 am »
Sounds like you're in a tricky situation. I'd be inclined to say, let her sleep when she needs it. Let her catch up, and then, after a good, restful night's sleep, start pushing her A times again.

How was the 3 to 4 hr EASY transition? Did she need help lengthening A times? Did it happen very gradually? Or did she seem to jump all at once?

Just asking bc that may help us know how to approach this transition. If she needs to go very slowly, or if she'll adjust if you take the lead a bit more and just stick to what you think is an appropriate routine.

But, really, I don't think we can do anything until she is rested and ready.  Honestly, I always APOP when DD is OT.

Maybe daycare will be able to rest her up tomorrow. I hope so!