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HELP! night wakings in both my kids! (15 months and 3yo!!)
« on: September 15, 2009, 00:13:33 am »
Hi all -

OK - dd is 3 and ds is 15 months old.  Let’s deal w/ DS first…

DS has ALWAYS been a great sleeper.  He’s my predictable boy.  Whenever he had rough spells w/ naps or nighttime I could always figure it out – a new tooth, illness/fever, milestone (walking, etc…) About 10 days ago, DS got his vaccinations including the flu shot.  He’s never had problems w/ any of his shots before (maybe a low fever but that’s it!) He had a rough night (woke up every 4 hours) and then he woke up w/ a 103 fever.  He was up 3 times that night, but we knew it was b/c of the shots and the fever.  The fever passed the next day.  A few days later, (after battling poor naps for a few weeks (going from 2 to 1)) we dropped his morning nap.  He adjusted pretty well.  His current schedule looks like this:

7am - wake up/breakfast
9ish – snack
11:45 – lunch
12:30-2:30 or 3 – nap (yippee!!)
3ish – snack
5:15 – dinner
6:30 – bath/pjs/ bedtime milk snack (downstairs in the kitchen)/ brush teeth
7ish – bedtime

Since his bout w/ the fever, DS has had either problems going to bed or night wakings (or both in the same night!  But not usually that bad)– lots of crying.  We’re having to go back in and calm him down and we try really hard to put him back in his crib so he can fall back asleep on his own.  He’ll go back to his crib peacefully, then 10 minutes later he’s standing and crying again!  Some nights it’s no problem, other nights it’s a big problem.  Then there’s the night wakings.  Some nights he’s up at 1:30am or (like last night) he’s up at 3am.  It’s almost always between 1-4am tho (but there has been the occasional 10:30/11pm night waking – basically at the end of any 3-4 hour sleep cycle).  Sometimes it’s once for the night and other times it’s 3 times!  DH used to be able to go in and just calm him down and then put him back down in the crib after just a minute or so of holding.  But in the last week DS would be awake again after 10-30 minutes!!!  It’s awful.  We’ve tried giving him a few minutes to see if he’ll go back to sleep on his own (and he has done this a few times) but other nights he wants DH.  And then b/c it’s so late and DH’s been in there 3 times already he will just hold him and sleep in the chair in DS’ room.  I know it’s accidental parenting, but sometimes we all need the sleep!!

And into that my DD (3 yo).  She started a new classroom at her preschool (back to school!) and since then she’s had more night wakings as well.  Bedtime is okay – some nights she will call for us a few times before she goes to sleep (have to potty, heard some noise, daddy, etc…) and other times she’ll just play in her bed until she falls asleep.  But almost every night, she’ll have a night waking (or 2 or 3) where she’s screaming for us.  And there’s been a few nights where BOTH of them are screaming at the same time! (or they just ping pong back and forth and we’re bouncing around from room to room!)

I know DD’s transition at school is probably the culprit…and we have to be thankful that she’s not coming out of her room at all (she just screams from her room for us to come to her).

But DS is troubling me.  I’ve been looking at his teeth and can’t see anything coming in – but I know that might not mean something’s NOT coming in.  It’s just so strange.  He’s SUCH a good sleeper and he’s really capable of sleeping very independently from us so it’s very troubling to have him wake up in the middle of the night (multiple times!!!) 

please, any suggestions? 

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Re: HELP! night wakings in both my kids! (15 months and 3yo!!)
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 01:04:16 am »
Hi...sorry you're having a tough time with TWO waking los. YIKES.

I def. agree that the transition in pre-school is likely affecting your DD. Do you think she is capable of doing some things on her own BEFORE yelling for you to come in? Like maybe give her a special big girl thermos of water so she can have that next to her bed if she is thirsty. Tell her she can go to the bathroom by herself and go back to bed and that mommy and daddy don't have to wake up for that. You can leave a night-light on in the hall/bathroom to help guide her. You might even get her a kid friendly flashlight to take with her. Maybe have a relaxing/lullabye or classical music cd in a player in her room and if she wakes up she can go hit play and if when the cd is over she is still awake she can get you. Maybe if you give her a few things to try before she yells for you and if she STILL can't get back to sleep...then she can get you???? Not sure how much of that she could handle as she is still so young but wasn't sure if it was worth a try.



About DS...I am not sure. We're working on switching to one nap now, but you're already there and he seems to have handled it well. We're on day 4 of one nap....not sure if it'll continue or if we'll have to back up to two naps soon for a day or so. Since we've started though, DD hasn't elongated her nap beyond 2 hrs. and we have gotten some NWs and some hard to settle for bedtimes....likely slight OT is our culprit. Have you tried an earlier bedtime just to see if that could be the problem? OR it could be UT but you said he's crying so not sure. Have you tried pain meds if you think it might be teeth? If he lays down easily but then can't settle and is getting back up and crying I would imagine something is making it hard for him to fall asleep. Could be it's too dark/light, cold/hot, teeth discomfort. I sometimes forget DD likes to be in cozy pjs but likes the room cooler than I would like.

That was kind of rambly...sorry about that...I'm getting tired and I think I should head to bed soon.

Hope your night goes well. *****sleepy vibes to you and your los*****







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Re: HELP! night wakings in both my kids! (15 months and 3yo!!)
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 11:10:04 am »
wow you guys all sound tired!    on DS NW, has he got his canines or molars yet?  they can cause alot more trouble than the others and move around a fair bit before showing as a lump on the gum.    Sounds like he's in pain doesn;t it, as he's waking frequently.  You could test it by putting him to bed with meds and then doing a dream dose at 11pm, and see aht happens. 

Also, on the 12 mth shots , I thought that effects are more likely to show 7-10 days  after the shots, it's worth checking with the DR, i.e it still could be part of the immune response.

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Re: HELP! night wakings in both my kids! (15 months and 3yo!!)
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 18:11:32 pm »
hi ladies - thanks so much for your responses. 

OK - DD did great last night.  I had a little "talk" with her about her crying out fro mommy and daddy in the middle of the night.  SHe is old enough to know when something's really important and when she's just seeking extra attention.  She did great with NO nw's from her.  yipee!!  I think she just needs extra hugs and kisses right now.  She's transitioned great at school, too, so I can see how htat's related to her night time antic.s

DS had a rough time at bedtime.  He cried a lot and we just kept going back in and laying him back down if he was sitting up or standing up.  It toodk about 52 minutes, but he was asleep by 830 (which all in all was not bad).  He also did not have any nw's last night.  We gave him motrin at bedtime and was prepared to give him more thru the night if needed, but he was ok. 

i have a feeling this is teeth related.  I have another post asking for homeopathic rememdies - I'd rather give him that then lots of ibuprofen, you know?

we'll see have tonight goes.  DS's nap has been alright.  He work up halfway thru and the babysitter went in and just wiped his nose and put him back down and he went back to sleep. She thinks he may be coming down w/ a little cold...ugh...

ok - will keep you posted.

re the shots: I think it has to do w/ the seasonal flu shot that DS got.  He's never had any problems w/ his other vaccinations (maybe just a low grade fever) and he's had all of them before (you know, just boosters this time).  DD is going in for her flu shot after their nap so hopefully she won't have a bad reaction like her little brother.

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Re: HELP! night wakings in both my kids! (15 months and 3yo!!)
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 22:05:26 pm »
Good to hear. At least you have a starting point with DS and the teeth/cold/shots issues. And great about DD understanding your "talk".