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Long am nap contributing to EW?
« on: November 08, 2009, 23:30:26 pm »
Has anyone found that when doing a long am/short pm, you get early wakings?

My 13 month old DS was doing a 7am wake up for awhile there when the clocks went forward but has slowly regressed back to a wake up closer to 6am.  It is driving me nuts!!  He does about 4 hours before his first nap and I've experimented with how late in the day his pm nap is and that doesn't make much difference.  Here is his typical routine:

Wake up - 6ish
Nap 1 - 10am - 11.30am (we wake him)
Nap 2 - 4pm - 4.30pm (we wake him)
Bed - 7ish

I would love for him to go to bed closer to 7.30 to give me a later wake up but that just robs his night sleep. 

I have done the short am/long pm but not consistently enough to discover whether or not it helps with the EW.

Anyone have experience with this?

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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 00:51:12 am »
I am wondering if the EW is because of a short A at night.  At that age, my LO was doing a 3 hour A after a 30 minute nap.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 13:22:42 pm »
often EWs are a sign that it's time to switch up the routine - at least it was for us.  Have you tried extending the A time before that long am nap?  That will push the pm nap later and give you a later bedtime as well.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 01:05:34 am »
Michelle do you think its time I try for one nap?  Or do something like this:

Wake up - 6ish
4hrs 30m A time
1.5 hr nap
4hrs 30m A time
30m nap
3hr A time
Bed

I'm consistently finding that when I wake him from his pm nap, he is very grumpy and continues to stay that way until bedtime (thought its relatively easy to put him down).

I guess my dilemma is do I do short am/long pm instead or try for one nap?
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 19:50:08 pm »
I wouldn't go cold turkey to just one nap - most bubs don't really respond well to it. Most bubs really need to make it to 5 hrs of A time before they can handle one nap.  What we did was just extend the A time before that first nap and still let her sleep, then do a later catnap and bedtime.  Eventually, I did extend bedtime out a bit so I could still get 2 naps in, then she started refusing her catnap, so I did early bedtime.  And then, once she made it to 5 hrs of A time it was pretty easy to do just one nap.  So he's at 4 hrs now, I'd go to 4 hr 15 or 4 hr 30 if you think he can handle that.  I'd keep the middle A time the same (4.5), as it's ok if he's not tired enough to take a full nap, you don't want him to take a full nap anyway (that might actually be why he's grumpy when he wakes, he's wanting a full nap after that A time).  Then every week or so, push that morning A time again.  You can leave the next one the same or even shorten it a bit (again, since the nap is short anyway).

Or...you could switch entirely and go to short am/long pm.  In that case, you want to leave your am nap at the same time - don't extend that A time.  You will then need to bring the pm nap earlier as you shorten the am nap. 

Generally, a long am/short pm approach works best for bubs who don't like to be woken from naps and don't need a long A time before bed.  For bubs who do need a long A time before bed, the short am/long pm approach works best.  So it's really up to you and what you think will work best.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 02:26:36 am »
Thanks for the advice Michelle!

I think I will try to extend his morning A time by 15minutes every 3 days or so.  It is going to be hard on the days I work so it may take longer than I like but I think I'll stick with the long am/short pm and slowly phase out the pm nap.  I think I'll also cut that second A time shorter so he is not grumpy when I wake him . . it is fine line though because not enough A time and he won't sleep!  I'll let you know how we go!
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 19:28:51 pm »
it is always a bit of a gamble to find the right  A time.  The good news is, once they're fully on one nap, it gets loads easier.  So you are getting there! 
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 08:19:33 am »
DS managed 4 hours A time this morning so nap at 10.30am rather than just after 10am.  It was a struggle though getting him to that point!  He slept for 1hr 45m.  I didn't bother putting him down for an arvo nap as he wasn't tired til around 4.30pm and we'd decided to have an early tea at 5pm due to DH going off to work.  He was grumpy around 5-5.30pm though.  He was in bed and asleep at 6.30am so I hope I don't get an EW!!
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 19:15:58 pm »
that's a pretty long A time before bedtime, so I'd be careful.  We found we could still get a late catnap in from 4:30 - 5 and still do a 7:30 bedtime, so you might want to keep that in mind if you do get an EW.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 03:40:32 am »
I think he was awake from 4.30am til 5am, just whining a bit every 5 minutes or so.  He went back to sleep until 6.30am so I'd say he probably did an 11.5 hour night!  Admittedly he has been a horror today . . I don't know if its his teeth or OT from yesterday afternoon's missed catnap.  He seemed tired around 9.30am but as we had kindergym today at 11 I left the house early and he got a short nap from 10.10am til 10.50am.  He was so moody up until then though!  I put him down for his afternoon nap at 1.50pm (3hrs A time) and he is asleep now at 2.10pm.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 19:35:22 pm »
that sounds like a much better day today!  Glad he slept relatively well last night!!
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 12:00:38 pm »
After all that I decided on Monday to do short am/long pm.  It was just getting way too hard to fit that pm catnap in.  He's been responding relatively well and we've been getting much better wake ups (after 6.30am anyway!  even got a 7.05am!)  Tuesday and Wednesday he got more than 13 hours sleep in 24 hours and that hardly ever happens!  I think today though it may have bit me, probably due to yesterday.  Here are the past few days routines . . do you know what might have been going on today?

Wed
Wake - 7.05am (after an 11 hour night)
Nap - 10.45 - 11.25 (woken - very grumpy!)
Nap - 2.20 - 4.25 (my guess is this nap was too long - my MIL was looking after him)
Bed 8.10 asleep 8.20 but woke crying at 9.20.  Took til 9.50 to get him back to sleep . . am thinking teeth.

Thu
Wake - 6.50 (after a 10 hour night)
Nap - 10.20 - 10.55 (in the car)
DH tried for nap at 2.30 but no luck.  I tried for nap around 4pm but no luck - he just didn't seem tired.
Bed and asleep at 6.40pm - NW at 7.25 - back to sleep at 7.30.  Cried out at 9.30pm.

No idea what his wake up is going to be tomorrow!
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 19:41:31 pm »
sorry I've been MIA - family stuff got the best of me....

How are things going now?  looking at what you posted above, I think you're spot on - the 2:25 - 4:25 nap backfired on you....And I suspect the thurs routine was off because of that, and when DH tried the nap, he was UT, when you tried he was OT and then your night went pear shaped. 

Have things settled out a bit now?
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 23:07:04 pm »
No worries Michelle, I understand.

Last week we had a molar pop through so I think the NWs were due to that.

I've actually started another thread:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=160200.0

as my problem now is pm nap refusal after a 40 minute am nap.  I'm thinking of cutting it to 30 minutes.
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Re: Long am nap contributing to EW?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 19:47:17 pm »
I'll go ahead and lock this thread then and jump in on your other one :)
Michelle