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Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« on: December 30, 2009, 21:51:13 pm »
Hello all,

Just wondered what advice/tips anyone has on getting out LO to sleep in his cot all night. He is 5months old.

He currently has all his naps in the cot throughout the day and goes to bed in his cot too. The problem we have is that in the AM hours he is extremley fidgety and fussy and very hard to settle, to  the point where we settle him and then the moment you lie in bed he's fussing again. To settle we pop LO back on his side (he seems to like to sleep this way) sometimes offer paci (he doesnt always want it) pat and ssshh etc etc

Now to get LO to sleep during daytime for naps and bedtime take him upstairs for a cuddle in the darkened room sing or ssshh and then ever so slight rock (only if necessary) some days i dont do any motion and just the song or ssshhhing and he will fall asleep. His eyes always pop open when he's placed in cot but 9 times out of 10 he just goes to sleep. I know thats one of the probs need to learn him to settle without our help. Also 90% of the time he has his paci to fall asleep some naps he keeps it in some naps he spits out after so long and sleeps without.

At bedtime there maybe the odd time or two when he needs settling whilst we are still awake downstairs he always seems to sleep soundly until we go to bed. So hence tonight is the first night we have put his cot in his own bedroom as im sure we are disturbing him too. He also for the last few weeks has stopped having night time feeds. But we were still up in the early hours trying to get him to sleep when he wakes and just running out of energy and so doing the thing your not suppose to do popping him in bed with us. Where he sleeps abit better and its easy to give a quick cuddle and sssh when he fusses. But i dont want this to escalate anymore hence my post.

In the night he's very hard to relax when he wakes legs kicking arms flapping etc i just would like a strategy as such. Do we try to get him to sleep without picking him up out cot? which i know will only work when he falls asleep out of pure exhaustion. Or do we use PU/PD but then i read shouldnt do that with a paci? Also i know i will need to use the same method for naps too so i want to get this right.

Please send some advice my way ladies :(







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Re: Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 21:24:44 pm »
Hi there :)

Could you post your LO's current typical EASY routine?  Some of his restlessness may be due to being too tired or not tired enough from naps. 

I think you are likely right that a big part of your issue here is that your LO hasn't yet learned to fall asleep independently and so is relying on you for help--wanting that same help repeatedly throughout the night.  It's also likely that the paci has become a prop that he relies on yet can't control without your help that is contributing to his night wakings. 

For me, the first step would be to get him falling asleep in the crib.  Shush/pat would be your first strategy here--done with LO in the crib, so he gets used to falling asleep in that environment.  Yes, this will take a while at first as he's used to falling asleep in your arms, but once he gets the hang of it, then you can start to phase out the shush/pat, with the goal of putting him down awake and walking away and letting him settle on his own. 

If shush/pat doesn't seem to be getting the job done (and by this age, for some babies it's become too stimulating), then pu/pd would be the next sleep training choice. Yes, it is recommended that you wean the paci as part of the pu/pd process because the paci is a prop and so is counterproductive to the independent sleep you are attempting to teach with pu/pd.  Here is a cheat sheet with instructions for pu/pd at 5 months:

4-6 MONTHS OLD -  The process changes slightly when your baby is starting to get more mobile and has more strength.  They will typically start to fight you when being held and they may throw their head back and/or arch their back, so the following adaptations are made;

·   If the baby is burrowing their head into the mattress, turning their head side to side, getting up on their knees or flopping side to side you don’t pick them up right away or you will get kicked or your hair pulled.  Instead you continue to talk and soothe in a low tone voice.
·   When you do pick your baby up you only hold for a maximum of two or three minutes then put them all the way down even if still crying. You then pick up again and follow the same routine. 
·   At 4-6 months a baby tends to put up quite a physical struggle and the biggest mistake made is holding too long.  Watch your baby’s cues, burrowing into your shoulder or arching their back is a sign they want to go back down EVEN if they are still crying.  Holding them too long will reinforce “I cry I get picked up”.   You can label what you are doing eg. “Let me pick you up”.  “Let me put you down”. 

Whichever method you choose, you want to use it consistently at all sleeps and to try to plan for all sleeps to be at home for a 2 week period so that you can really firmly establish the new habits and new way of doing things.  With either approach there will likely be a lot of crying and resistance because you are changing what is habit and comfortable for your LO, but, as Tracy said, if you are as consistent with the new way as you were with the old, your LO will get the hang of things soon.  :-*

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Re: Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 22:28:37 pm »
Hiya,

Only just checked back since i posted this. I cant believe how good its all gone. Basically what we did was sit with LO in room, dark etc and sang like always did anyway but then when relaxed put him in cot awake. After only a day (and not much crying at all) he now goes into cot awake (sometimes may kick about a little expel some energy before wanting to be popped on his side and drift off to sleep. Sometimes he likes to hold my hand for a little bit and he gently strokes it (awww) but ive started removing my hand earlier and earlier and replaces with a soft toy for him to stroke. Alot of the time we even pop him in if he's ready for sleep he goes on his side and we are able to leave the room. YAY

His night wakings have improved too he will make noises and before the change we would have had to settle him but 80% of the time now we just wait and he settles himself.
He has started waking for a bottle again though since. First night was at 3am and second at 4am and he is drinking the whole lot so i'm not going to deny it him at all im guessing he obviously needs it.

As for his EASY routine that needs quite abit of tweeking. He seems to do well with an A time of around 1hr 20- 1hr 30 MAX before coming really grumpy and not happy to play or be entertained etc. He naps sometimes his naps are 35mins (UT I guess?) he always wakes up pleasant but any more A time is just not possible without it being an unpleasant experience for us both. Every now and then though that nap turns into an hour or 1hr 30mins and even had a 2hr nap the other day and we are keeping the A times consistant. We have seen a good improvement in nap lengths over the last week or so i think he is working on them himself maybe?





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Re: Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 20:59:11 pm »
So glad your nights have improved and that the gradual method you used worked so smoothly! 

When you are counting A time, does that include everything from when he wakes up to when he goes back to sleep?  If so, that's definitely on the low side for this age, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. 

It is possible that he's sorting out his nap length on his own--many babies do that between 4-6 months. :)

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Re: Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 09:29:50 am »
Hiya,

Yeh A time is from the moment he wakes to the moment he falls asleep. The A time is low ish i know but i'm wondering if its because he's such a wiggly bum! He moves constantly non stop and thats not in any way an exaggeration! Even if he is sat still (ish by his own standards) he will have one leg constantly bobbing moving away lol. He is extremley active.

We keep running into the problem though a few times this week when he has gone down for a nap in late afternoon its turning into a two and a half hour nap. And i'm guessing this is effecting his night time sleep too as i find he is hard to settle around 3-4am ish (he usually awake at 6) when this occurs at what time in the nap should i do my best to wake him and bring him down etc? i.e after an hour and a half? Yesterday he had that nap from 2.20pm til 5pm and then going to bed at around 7pm too it was too much but tried waking him a few times and no joy (if only he was that ignorant to noise in the night) but next time should it be a case of picking him up and taking him back downstairs?

The NW have definatley improved he makes noises and stirs etc but settles himself back to sleep so well. But we do get NW's during the AM where we are having to settle him abit but dont know if its teething related as sometimes he is waking up crying what sounds like pain related which is unlike him and he wont leave his mouth alone and is constantly tossing his head away when he unsettles himself.




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Re: Need advice on getting LO to sleep in cot all night
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 03:08:36 am »
I'd wake him from that nap at 1.5-2  hours--what ever leaves a desirable amount of A time between waking and bed. :)