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Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« on: February 26, 2010, 18:07:58 pm »
Ok so I know there are lots of similar threads but none seem quite the same and I am in need of some quick advice as I am so tired from my situation...

Nearly 2 weeks ago DDs big bed arrived and she went straight in it to sleep. The first week was great  and I couldn't believe my luck!!! OOOps!!! The last few nights and days have been a nightmare and I dont know how she is not falling asleep or where she is finding her energy.
My DD is 22 months and we made the transition as we are expecting number two in July.
DD has always been an angel sleeper, sleeping through every night practically since she was born and never having any issues with it whatsoever!!!!

Anyway, about a week ago DD refused to go for an afternoon nap... this has happened on the odd occasion when I haven't worn her out enough in the morning... she then went to sleep fine at night. (By refused I mean getting out of her bed and coming to find us).
The day after no afternoon nap again... but then also bed time arrives and refusal again.... we have been trying to silently take her straight back to bed but we have falled victim and let her cuddle us for a while before taking back again.
The second she is placed in her bed - screaming cries and jumps straight out of bed. My husband and I are both worn out as this is going on till 1am the last two nights with no naps in the day all week.
Im really annoyed we are slipping into bad habbits through our own pain and tiredness and needing to lie down.... night before last letting her drift off in our bed then taking her to her bed... then last night daddy staying in her room till she went to sleep.
I have a bad back condition that has been aggruvated by pregnancy and my husband is very tired as he works long hours which is making us really need our own sleep.
I have read through the sucess stories and most of the links but I could really do with a little support here.
Wi/WO has gone on for 5 hours the last two nights and we have lost the day time nap altogether for the last week.
Help pretty please
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Re: Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 18:48:27 pm »
We had this, ended up putting a baby gate at the door and it solved the issue in a few nights. (((hugs))) let me know if this is something you'd consider, I can come back later with more details.





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Re: Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 18:58:50 pm »
We had something not entirely dissimilar and it was because of OT.  We fixed it with a much earlier lunchtime nap - she went to sleep for her lunchtime sleep and then that solved the messing around at bedtime too.

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Re: Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 03:54:00 am »
This sounds like what I just posted. My 21 month old has started screaming when I put her down for nap and bedtime. Luckily we haven't taken her out of her crib yet or else I would be dealing with the exact same thing!?!? Not sure what is causing this sudden refusal to sleep at nap and bedtime. Let me know if you figure it out.

Good luck with number 2 coming along. I have a 4 month old. 2 if a fun challenge!!

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Re: Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 10:44:16 am »
Hey Goldie, first of all huge (((HUGS))) to you! The big bed transition is not easy for some, but I promise, it will get better  :-*.

I noticed you said you've read some of the older posts. I used to be a moderator on this forum so I remember posting lots about my own experience with the bgb transition. I found an old post which might help you :

Big {{{HUGS}}} Mel. I've blocked out the big bed transition.. it totally blew my perfect sleeper away .....for a little while . But I've gone throught my old posts and will tell you what worked for us.

From the start we got a gate. It was actually for her sister because Isabella's favourite thing to do is to wake Jasmine up in the morning as soon as she's awake... so the gate was suppose to block her from going into her sister's room. But my dear Isabella insisted that I put the gate on her door instead.. so it worked out really well in that sence. So if a gate is something you are comfortabel with, I don't see any harm in it. Personally I wouldn't go any more than that (locking doors for example), because I don't want my dd locked in her room. Locking doors works for some,... but it was a personal choice because I know as a baby/child, I hated nothing more than having my door closed and I always needed to have it adjar so that I could see/hear my parents and not be scared, lol.

The gate was enough to stop her from coming out of her room.. but it still didn't solve the bedtime battles. So we would do our bedtime routine, tuck her in and leave (door open and gate closed). She would jump up as soon as we'd leave and come to the gate. Then she would either stand there and call out for me (which I ignored) or she'd start off calling and then it would turn into a cry (99.9% this is what she'd do). In this case, I would go back to her, tuck her in again and then leave. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Eventually she would come out of her bed... stand at the gate... call a few times and then fall asleep by the gate (on an average about 1.5-2hrs from the time we had initally put her to bed!!!).

If she was distressed (which happened alot because as time would go by, she would get more and more overtired and she would just not be able to settle on her own with a simple tuck in)... so in this case I would stay with her by her bed... gently stroke her hair or hold her hand and when she would calm down, I would tell her I love her very much and that I'll see her in the morning. This worked really well and she'd go to sleep almost straight away (still 1.5-2hrs from the time we had initally put her to bed).

Mel.... this went on for a whole MONTH!!! I don't want to scare you.. but it really did and for about 2-3 weeks she spent sleeping on the floor by her gate rather than staying in her bed and I was transfering her into her bed once she'd fall asleep. We had some serious early wake ups as well because bedtime was sooo late and by this stage she had dropped naps so she was a total mess all day long (poor thing was exhausted).


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I think the trick is to stay consistent in whatever method you decide to use for a while. They see all the chinks in your armour.....Also, if you change it up all the time, they don't know what the consequence is and will continuously try and get out of their rooms. (I'm very guilty of this myself!)

Mel, this is SO true!!! At the start I was doing all sorts of things (yelling being one of them )... but about 4 days into the transition, I realised that the poor girl is confused and she's getting my attention (be it negative) ... so I was just saying the same thing over and over again (good night Bella, time to go to sleep)... and then leave.

I never made a big deal out of her being out of her bed. In fact I gave her TOTAL control of what she wanted to do in her room and that solved the battle of taking her back to bed as soon as she was out. THis is why I like the idea of a gate... she could walk around her room... look through books... and when she'd get tired she would go to sleep.

A few months later... she decided she doesn't like the gate closed. So now the gate is still there but we have a compromise and that is the gate will be left open as long as she stays in her room. She knows that if she comes out of her room, the gate will be closed. Whether the door is open or closed is also up to her. I ask her before I leave her room if she wants the door open or not and she tells me.

Its very tough so hang in there. I was separated from my DH at the time so was doing most of this stuff on my own. It was very hard... for those 2hrs of trying to settle Isabella, poor Jasmine used to watch baby einstein videos .

Let me know how things are going
   

This is the post.. again, not sure if you've read it or not. http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=126435.0
 
 
I can only sympathise... I've been there! And you know what... if you HAVE to sit by your baby's side in order for her to fall asleep just so that she is well rested and you can go on with your evening, then do it! Think of it as gradual withdrawal.... slowly but surely you will take yourself away from the picture. Move the chair every couple of days until you're at the door, etc.. Let me know if you want some help with the GW method... I've also had some experience with that method....


Let me know how you go with the gate and some of the other things i've mentioned. Be patient... its new to her... she'll get there. Isabella (now almost 5) still comes out of her bed. Its certaintly not as bad as it used to be.. but still happens... :-*
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Re: Won't go to sleep in big girl bed
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 13:19:03 pm »
Just saw this, and thought I'd put my perspective in because I was unable to use a gate with two of them in there to entertain each other. The girls were vaulting out of their cribs and after several options that failed miserably we put their crib mattresses on the floor.

We did our transition almost 8 weeks ago. It took 6.5 of those weeks for me to get to the point of them going to sleep within 20 mins with me still in the room. I knew it would be hard with D particularly as she doesn't travel well and they both need their routines so badly. This is how the first 6 weeks or so went:

Weeks 1 and 2 - both girls screaming for their cribs for hours on end and only going to sleep if they were physically touching me.

Weeks 3 to 6 - different variations of wi/wo which also failed miserably. I did my best to be consistent with everything but with the two of them and the vast space of freedom, they were just unable to function without more guidance. I had a rocking chair in the hallway and could see them from the crack through the door without them seeing me but there was just too much freedom for them to functionally go to sleep.

Week 7 - I switched to gradual withdrawl and had success literally within 15 minutes. I moved a single bed in between their mattresses and that's where I hang out while they drift off or in early mornings until the timer on their lamp comes on. J gets a 30 second back rub, kiss and hug and she is now putting herself to sleep within 15 minutes. D is a little more challenging and needs a hand still on her after her back rub until she's quite drowsy and then drifts off. We put a rail on D's mattress to give her that 'closed in' feeling again and it seems to have really helped.

We're also dealing with molars, separation anxiety that kicks in with the hysterical 4am - 5am EW's which is why I keep my bed in there. They're not allowed into the bed with me until the light goes on at 7am but they know I'm there and I'm noticing the EW's are moving closer to 6am/6:30am. We ditched their nap due to them going to bed at 6:15pm, asleep by 6:30pm and usually out for 13 hours on a good night. We do a quiet time after lunch where sometimes they doze but usually we just cuddle and watch tv on really low. They were really young to get rid of the nap and I wouldn't recommend it unless you were getting what you feel your lo needs in the night without being tired/cranky more than normal come supper time.

I know that because they're twins the dynamic was different for us, but since they're so close in age to your lo I wonder what developmentally may be causing your challenges with nap/bedtime. I'm also pregnant and desparately craving sleep, and I understand that it's not easy to sit and cuddle your lo at this point in your pg.

Just thought I'd share my experience. We're not up to wi/wo yet but it's coming hopefully soon. I don't mind the 15 mins - 1/2 hour it takes to be in there because it's so much better than 2-3 hours of screaming and frustration. Although children can have a temperment, sometimes developmental issues can throw a wrench into all of the best plans and advice in the world. How to adapt is the most entertaining challenge sometimes :)

Big Big hugs to you and your family :) I hear stories about easy transitions to big beds and I'm so envious. I hope this helps.
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