stuck in the 3-4 hr EASY transition

[gemma2313]

well done timmys mom !!! sounds like you got things sorted!

Were you single side feeding and changd to both sides when you went to 4hrly? thats interesting to know...

Those EW are probably when he's OT at bedtime. I think we were just saying earlier that sometimes it pays to put them to bed early and believe it or not you dont get EW, at least I don't. They catch up on sleep really. We have the odd early morning (this one was) but its usually a direct result of my ds1 (toddler) waking up and creating chaos throughout the house...

my ds1 is really out of sorts today. I've just had to put him to bed (11am! instead of 12.30!) cause he was just yawning and yawning, red eyed and whingy.. infact he's started to go to sleep in my arms. Very rare given he's nearly 2 now! Hopefully he sleeps well and this tooth just pops through and is over with! He has a fever again poor thing. Waterdragon did you have a horrible time with your dd1s 2yr old molars? I suppose its like wisdom teeth really. All ds1 other teeth were a breeze compared to this!

On a brighter note, ds2 is going well today. on track for at least 2x1.5hrs naps. We're lasting 2hrs now most of the time (A time)... and not so much resettling during naps (thank god I hate doing that!) but he seems to be stuck on a 3.5hr, a 2hr+ nap is rare. I'm actually thinking that once we're all well and healthy I might try pushing his A time past 2hrs and see what happens. Not yet though.

[waterdragon]

Agggg.... Im really stuck here.
We are getting maybe 2 ok naps of 1.5 hrs each then maybe only 30 mins and this means she is OT going to bed with now EW.

Yesterday 1st nap 1 hr 20 min. second 1.5 hrs (woke in middle but settled) then 30 mins  at 3.30 and 20 mins at 5.20 pm .Slept late at 7.45 because we were out getting vaccines done.

Last night not good, woke at 11.00 pm for bottle .I saw how DH deals with it.....not good.He takes her out of the cot and puts her on the sitting room floor while he messes around getting the bottle ready (which he should have done before).She is screaming by the time it comes ...DD1 is screaming because "I woke up...baby cry".A far  cry from "dream feed"

She then woke at 0415 hungry (still not eating during the day)
Then at 0540 out of swaddle....reswaddle slept quickly.
Woke at 0650 to start the day (I was still awake from 0540)

Thank goodness she had a 2 hr 15 nap this am ...I am really sick of this .I am really struggling with the lack of consistancy.
This not feeding during the day is driving me nuts ..she will never give up night feeds at this rate.

Gemma , you are having bad luck with all the illness. Hope you all have a good day/night

[timmysmommy]

Yes, I went from single sided to feeding on both at the transition.   Sorry to hear about the teething Gemma!

Waterdragon- that sounds about how things are going here- although for awhile he wasn't even doing the 30 min catnap.  However, he is generally happy until bedtime.  We are having EW too.  Yesterday was 6 Am, today sometime between 6 and 7.  I did put him to bed earlier last night, but he kept waking.  Now that I think about it, I probably still put him to bed too late- If he woke at 6 am, he prob needed a 6:30 bedtime.  I put him down at 7:30.  I guess I'll try putting him down even earlier tonight.  Good luck with the vaccines.  I don't even want to think about them- his appointment is next Monday, and he didn't sleep for 3 weeks after his last round.  I think I'm going to break them up into 2 months this time and see what happens.

[waterdragon]

Ok what should I do here?
wake 0650(atime 1 hr 50)
s 0840-10.50 (woken) longest sleep ever  2hr 15 mins
a time 1 hr 45
s 1235-215 (v long nap 1 hr 40 m,ins
a time 1 hr 35 mins  to see if we can get longer than 30 mins......nope 30 mins from 3.45-4.15(longer a time still 30 mins)
even an early bed time is not going to cut it.She sleeps 10 min in car 5.50-6.00. will try early bed time....about 7.10

the day is just too long and my biggest worry now is EW.

[timmysmommy]

I don't know waterdragon!!  We are having a crazy day here too!

wake: 6 I think- doesn't make any noise
E 6:50
S 8:10 ot, fought it
8:50 woke up, took forever to resettle
9:40 woke again, tried to resettle, but he just wanted to smile at me
E 10:00 he didn't eat much in morning due to nw and feed at 4:30
S 11:00- yes, he was sleepy after only an hour!
E12:50 I am afraid this one hour thing is going to last all day, and I don't want the feed to close to naptime- hardly ate
S 2:00- yes only 1 hr awake time again.  He went down independently for his last two naps. IDK what to think.  Maybe he is super OT?  We'll see how long he sleeps.  I have no idea how to finish out the day.  I am assuming I should have him in bed for the night at 6:30.  What happened to my 8 o'clock wake ups, and 4 hr easy?

[newmummy82]

Hey guys! Seems like it's all gone pearshaped for everyone!!

We are managing 1hr 50-2hr A times and naps are usually 1hr40-2hr but most often 1hr50. Waterdragon- we are also finding that DD doesn't want more than 30 mins for her CN.
We had random crying and screaming at BT for no reason we can work out :-( so probably gonna get OT NWs tonight.

re feeds- we went to double sided at the 3 month GS just because she seemed to like it having previously been definately better on single sides. Her poos (sorry!) tend to be most yellow first thing and get greener over the day. My current theory is that perhaps she is taking longer feeds at night and getting more hind milk? Really trying to minimise distractions in the day but very difficult as she is so interested in everything. Also tried a nursing necklace for her to play with while feeding but she thinks it's so beautiful she keeps bobbing off to get a better look!!!
I'm gonna post on the BF board to ask whether anyone else had this problem at transition.

There is so much going on at this age- GS, teeth, development that I think we could tie ourselves in knots trying to work out what is going on! My DD worked out how to blow raspberries yesterday and has been doing it all day (and at 4am!). I now know when she has worken from nap not because she cries but cos I can hear raspberries oevr the monitor!! V cute!

[gemma2313]

Yeah pearshaped for me too!!
Hey waterdragon I have an idea for you - maybe if you have another bad day instead of you waking for that 4am feed let her wake you... (hopefully it will be a bit later).. then feed and put back to bed maybe it will result in a later wakeup and help you get back on track for the next day... then if you keep those A times a little lower like you have been it might help her catch up on some OT and you could try putting her to bed 12hrs/12.5hrs and it might help her get back on track???

We had a rotten night again both ds1 & ds2. ds2 poos are back to yellowish again but very watery, He's had two in the last 24hrs (during the night ripper!!) and it just dribbles out.. (sorry!)... I really just don't know what is going on with him.. his guts just seem to be so sensitive! He doesnt seem to have changed as a result of going off the zoton, I think I would have seen his reflux come back by now (its been 4-5days) if it was going to... so its either a feeding milk balance issue, sickness or food intolerance.

Meanwhile ds1 is still not himself. I'm actually wondering if he's not very well... he hardly slept at all again last night (and so neither did we!).. so his eyes are SO red today, I put him down early yest and only got 1x45mins!! I then curled up next to him and he got another 45mins a bit later... (while ds2 was napping)... We have a dr appt today... I think something is up with his eyes.. they are constantly weeping.

I was told on another post that a NW before midnight (often before DF) is a sign of OT before bed... we had that again last night.. same problem as you guys

E6
S8-9.30 (1.5hrs)
E9.30
S11.30-1 (1.5hrs)
E1.10
S3-3.45 (45min CN) I tired to resettle for 20mins no luck
E 4.30 (he started getting grumpy)
5.30 bath
E-6
S 6.15 (so final A time was nearly 2.5hrs! )
NW @ 9.15 so I did early Df (bad move i think)
NW @11.30
NW @4.10
EW @6.10 ohhh...

I think that extra feed at 4.30pm wrecked his 6pm feed too..usually I try to squish in another 45min CN but we tried putting both boys to bed early last night in hopes they would catch up on sleep and so could we.. hahahahaha what a stupid idea that was!

[newmummy82]

Gemma I think our babies are linked! You must be exhausted with the nights you've had from DS1. If it's not conjunctivitis, could it be hayfever (is it the right season for that with you?)

Started with a 45 min nap today thought UT (but exact same a time as last few days) but had lots of screaming so perhaps OT? Feeds all over the place and the current nap sounds like it might be ending at 1hr and 5min. My head is mashed!!! The next 45 min nap that she doesn't resettle for within 5-10 mins I'm not even going to bother trying to extend because it's never worked and it's just too stressful for everyone!!

I think I big problem we have had/are having with the transition is that we have had to nearly ignore her sleep cues to get the right A time and so now we have no idea what to go off if she has a short nap. Have a feeling something developmental (apart from the raspberry blowing talent!)is about to happen so maybe that will sort things.

Quick question to all- DD's feeds are approx 7.20, 11, 1500 and 18.30 then DF at 2215. It looks like you think that extra feed you gave gemma after the CN messed things a bit for you. We hadn't been feeding when waking from CN unless day topsyturvy but her last A time she is a right grizzle monster and I wonder if she is a bit peckish and perhaps would benefit from a mini feed whenever she wakes from CN and then a longer feed at BT. What do you think? May experiement tonight as day already messy!

[waterdragon]

Ha   what a laugh  we are all going down the same slippery road to disaster

Timmysmom,  I have the same problem as you .I really want at least a 7.30-7.30 routine ideally 8 but we are going backwards.
Also I am paranoid .I wake at 0600 just to make sure I hear  her wake .If i don't catch the exact time of her wake up, 1st nap is out and we are looking at a 3 min day of hell.

Gemma, just a thought .Teeth are not usually that sore ,could be a middle ear infection if Ds1 has a lot of pain.Eyes will be bothersome but not cause sleep or significant behaviour change

Ruth, IKWYM I have no idea where to go after a short nap .i just know the rest of the day is short naps.

We are going to be in the same situation again today.1st nap 1.5 hrs (a time almost 1 hr 55) 2nd nap still ongoing at 1 hr 35 min) so we are left with about  5 hrs to bed and a probable 30 min cat nap.....

Having problems with NW too. Last few nights she woke at 11 and will either refuse her feed or wait for 40 mins and then take it.I havnt been waking her at 4.30  she has been waking hungry at 3-4.15 am

Has anyone read the "wonder weeks" , excellent book.It explains that between 14-19.5 weeks there are huge changes in the babies brain and there head circumference and brain waves alter.It can account for significant behaviour changes and sleep problems.Good news is by 20-22 week things improve.
We now have stranger anxiety.She cries if anyone other than us look at her.DD1 had this bad too.

Yazzie....not sure how we can bring this to another forum can you help us...dont want to loose the support

[Yazzie]

Hey there hun,

Each of you could start her own thread, if needed on the relevant boards, otherwise for support, I suggest you all join the suitable birth club, here's the 4-6 club:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=175969.0

[Yazzie]

So, ladies, clearly this post has has its course and gone off topic, so I will be locking it and please do start your own thread, with your issues, if needed

Happy BW-ing