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12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« on: January 27, 2011, 12:24:27 pm »
Hello,

I am after some advice on getting Olly to sleep a bit more independently please.

We have been BWing since birth really but due to health issues has never become a fully independent sleeper. Recently after an operation, illness etc etc he has regressed more and more until these last few days he actually needs holding to sleep again.

We have a consistent wind down routine and until about a week ago he would go into his cot awake and would just need his hand to be held to get to sleep. This I could live with and thought I would use the GW method to address in the future. Now he cries when he goes into his cot and will settle with a cuddle but will cry when put down again. I put him down as soon as I can - very very sleepy and usually can just settle the last restlessness in his cot but don't want this to become a bad habit.

We are going through the transition and Olly has started nursery this week so we have been on one nap days this week to try and adjust to the nursery routine.

So, I need advice on how to deal with the crying at nap/bed times. Should I use GW, PU/PD... are they supposed to cry when you use these methods?? We have never been very good at letting Olly cry as he has had so many health issues so would find this hard - need reassurance that it is doing him good in the end. Having said that the 20 mins of crying just now for his nap was not because of health issues - just frustrated he was not being held all the way to sleep!

Any advice much appreciated.


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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 02:35:22 am »
giving you a little bump up here.

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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 11:26:54 am »
ok hugs first of all.
I think you need to choose a method you are comfortable with as you need to be happy with what you are doing and above all consistent.
The two methods recommended at this age are WIWO and GW. I will send you a link and you can have a read and let me know what you think. WIWO is intended for lo's who have slept independently in the past while GW is more gradual as it says and a more gentle approach but will likely take longer.
What i would say with the routine is that you may need to add in the odd 2 nap day as he is still very young and OT may set in which will not help with the settling process.
Anyway - have a read and I will help to answer any questions you have.
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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 12:28:32 pm »
Hi, I am happy with GW. we do have OT at the mo due to illness and nursery so will sort that out first. Where do I start with GW though? At the least I have to hold his hand now. Do I just take it away one day? He will cry and stand up. What then?

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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 11:07:13 am »
I will get some extra eyes for you as have never used GW myself....




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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 12:04:15 pm »
Wotcher mate

I think you'll need to start with a mix of PD and GW. For example, you've done wind down, you put him in the cot, say your final sleep time words and then move away slightly and sit on the floor/ chair/ wherever.

If he's then going to cry and stand up because he wants your hand, you'll need to gently lie him down, shushing and repeating your usual sleep time words, then move away and sit down again. Repeat repeat repeat repeat until he stops standing up. If he then cries out but doesn't stand up, you can just shush him from where you are on the floor so he knows you are there and finds your presence soothing. I've had to do this with Alex. It can take ages. Especially feels like ages when you are knackered and want to go to bed. But the second night it's quicker. And the third quicker still. Results can be quick if you persevere and are consistent.

You are with him the whole time so he is not left to cry alone; he WILL cry as he will protest strongly because he wants your hand. But if you really want him to sleep independently I don't know of any other way you'll be able to do it without the crying.

The worst thing you can do is start it and then not follow it through. For example, try this and after 30 mins it's not working so you give in and cuddle him/ give him your hand. All that teaches him is that if he cries for long enough he gets mummy's hand, and it will be much much harder to then teach him to sleep without it.

It will be very hard and you know we are all here to support you, and I am only down the road! If you need to get rid of DH for the night to make it work, send him to stay with the parents and you know Mum will come stay with you for moral support!

Sorry if this sounds really bossy and blunt, I don't mean to. You know I love you! xxxxx
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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 13:41:18 pm »
No doesn't sound bossy! Just pointing out what I need to do. Will show this to you know who and see what he thinks. Olly is ill and teething badly at the mo so not the right time to start but gives us a chance to agree on way forward in the meantime x

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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 13:52:30 pm »
yeah, def don't start when ill, teething, or OT; is not fair on Olly or you xxx
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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 20:08:26 pm »
I have found a half way house that I am trying at the mo whilst we get ourselves sorted :) instead of holding his hand I am putting a hand on his tummy. Then I have control rather than him  ;). Seems to be going OK and he is getting himself to sleep with both hands free. Keep trying him with a lovey but just not interested   ::)

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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 21:28:17 pm »
Well that's progress, you're not cuddling or holding him! Keep us posted xxxxxx
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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2011, 21:46:28 pm »
We are for the NWs  ::)

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Re: 12 m/o - advice please on helping inde sleep
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2011, 21:48:33 pm »
Oh. Well one thing at a time I suppose!  :-*
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