what happens after nap time failure?

[char13amy]

HI,

My LO is 10 wks tomorrow, 3/25.  until now, she's BF only, every two hours or so.  She is pretty good at night, sleeping at 8pm, giving us a 4-6 hour stretch of sleep followed by every two hour wake ups, usually up for the day by 530-6am.

However, since this schedule can go out the window, with sleeping by 5pm and very strange days of no napping and then constant napping, I started to research last night, and learned about DFs and this site. I've been wanting to get her on a schedule and with your assistance yesterday, tried to start today.  So, I have a question, after I tell you her day today. 

(BTW, she is senstive to my diet, and if I have anything acidic, garlicy, caffienated, or chocolate, or excessively green like a big salad, she will be especially reflux-y. Broccoli is out of the question.  Otherwise, she is mildly to moderately reflux-y.)

Here is what led up to an attempt at her midday nap:
Yesterday:
530PM - S
730PM - woke her for E, slightly awake until 9:30, in and out, sleeping on her dad's lap.  Looks like I did a dream feed, maybe, without even knowing it!
930PM - S (in co sleeper)
1030PM - DF
10:45 - S

Today:
2am - A
210AM - E, followed by reflux, picking up and down until 4am. 
4AM - S

645AM - A
7AM - E
8AM - S

915AM - A
930AM - E
play/walk in carriage
1115AM - E

1145AM - S <----this is what failed. Prior to, she had that 11:15 feeding followed by me walking around with her laying on her side in the crook of my arm, which sooths her, kept her in the crib until 12:45PM.
1245PM - E - up, until now
During this nap attempt, she would almost sleep, then be crying.   I tried having her go in the crib, doing Shh, PU/PD, burping, a quick diaper change.  Apart from the obvious that maybe she had gas or a burp that I couldn't get up, I can't figure out why she wouldn't sleep, she was half way there.  But I am ok with it, if she didn't want to, we'll try again tomorrow. (unless anyone has insights on this which I'd be grateful for.)

But my question is, what happens now?  Is she not tired?  She seems tired.  When this nap is missed, do you try again or wait for the next nap time?, which I had thought would be around 330PM - 5PM.  Here's what I thought the rest of the day could look like, but that would now be out the window, and napping now isn't going well. What would you do? Is waiting till the 330 the best option, or do I keep trying.  Seems like extending and waiting for the 330 could make her OT?

1145AM - S  (supposedly)
1PM - A
115PM - E

3PM - E
330PM - S
5PM - A

7PM - E
730 - bath
8PM - S
10-1030PM - DF

Thanks!
Amy

[weaver]

Hi Amy,
just a quick reply - she's way too young for PU/PD, have you tried shush-patting?  For my LO (he's 11 months, I can barely remember 10 weeks!), we followed Tracey's sleep ritual quite closely which meant closing the curtains, sitting with him until he relaxed and was almost asleep (or asleep, let's face it) and then putting him in the cot.  If he stirred, then gently sh-pat.  There must be a thread here with the sleep ritual on it. It took a couple of days to work but it really did work when it kicked in. 

Good on you for going for a routine, it'll really pay off!
A
PS should she be on a 3 hour routine?  might also help with naps1!

[~Karen~]

Is her reflux under control?  If it isn't then you need to make sure that's under control before you start trying to sort her naps out.

If she misses a nap then she's likely to be getting OT.  Could you APOP this nap if she won't go down in her crib for it? 

Have you read any of the books?  I'd strongly recommend you do if you haven't as it will answer a lot of your questions.

Here are some links which may help you out.

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=65742.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164027.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=26672.0

[char13amy]

AnB: The pu/pd was because I don't get a burp out of her very well, I was checking, and in fact got a little one out of her, but it didn't seem to resolve the sleep problem.  Yep, did the shusshing too.
She wants to eat about every two hours, is that what you mean I should change to a three hour cycle? even if she's sleeping she usually wakes up for the 2 hour feeding. If that's what you mean, I'd be surprised if I should push her feeding out that way.  Let me know, thanks!
Karen,
The reflux is improved, and we've discussed it w/the Ped.  Since my diet changes seem to help we're all on the same page that medications are not necessary right now. Kicked myself for my screw up with dinner last night!
I got the acronym, but I don't know what APOPing the nap would mean....
Should I think of it as a missed nap, when there has been no real nap schedule before?

Thanks, ladies
I will definately read more while I wait for the book, looks like I need a lot more background.

[...just wondering if the nap is a total misfire, and followed by a feeding, what happens after?  should I try again, or wait till the next nap time to keep her as best I can on my desired schedule?  Or just let her finish out the day until bath time as she needs, and try again tomorrow? thanks]

[~Karen~]

I mean if she's refusing to go down for a nap on her crib, could you try it in the sling/car/buggy to keep her on track and stop her from getting too OT?  I wouldn't recommend missing the nap altogether as she'll end up with a massive A time and no doubt get very OT.

[weaver]

Hi Amy,
I am defintely NOT an expert and I note that your baba has reflux so maybe two hour feeds are recommended but the BW guideline is every three hours, unless they were premature.  You might want to look into it over on the eating board under breast or bottle as appropriate.  Certainly, even when my LO was a few days old and the midwife wanted him to gain weight more quickly we were told to feed every 3 hours - round the clock, ugh! but only for a few days - then he stayed on 3 hourly feeds during the day til he was four months when he moved to every four hours.  He was/is exclusively breastfed.  Does that help at all?

As for PU/PD, I can see you were just picking her up and putting her down, rather than using Tracey's PU/PD technique.  Sorry for the confusion.  Hope it's going well for you.
A