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BT drama and NW with 26 month old after a month long holiday
« on: February 22, 2012, 08:19:17 am »
DS and I went on a month long holiday and we came back home about 3 weeks ago. We had to share a bed the whole trip and for the first 3 weeks we were sleeping in a different place every few days. So I ended up staying with him until he fell asleep and of course for each NW, I was there next to him. When we came back, I anticipated problems, and with the jet-lag and all the AP'ing that went on during the holiday, we indeed had lots of SA problems during BT and lots of NWs (5 or 6 initially when we came back). So I started doing GW and it's now a little bit better. I can be out of the room during BT and NWs have reduced to 1 on a good day. We even had 1 night of STTN  :o

The problem though is that on most nights, DH or I still end up having to stay in the room till he falls asleep. I think we have a bit of a routine problem and was hoping someone might cast an eye over it? At the moment, DS goes to daycare 4 days a week and he tends to sleep from about 12.40 to 2pm there. So i'm sticking to this nap at home too. So here's his normal routine:

8am - wake
12.40 - 2pm - nap (at daycare) 1pm - 2pm (at home)
8.30pm - BT

The problem is, he never seems tired at BT, and it can take him up on average an hour to fall asleep! If it only takes him 30 minutes, we count ourselves lucky.. Because he never seems tired, all sorts of antics are happening at BT. Usually he'll be out of the BBB not long after i leave the room, usually to ask to go to the toilet (we're attempting PT as well), even though he doesn't do anything when I do put him there. Yesterday, i ignored him when he said he wanted to go so he started mantra crying by the door (we have a gate in his doorway and leave the door open when he's trying to fall asleep) and eventually, he took all his clothes off and I had to go in to get his clothes back on!! And so it goes on. I put him to bed at 8.30pm again today and thought i would just stay with him today to see how it goes. He kept moving around in the bed so I went to stand by the door. He came out of the BBB and I took him back a few times without talking or maintaining eye contact. And then he asked to sleep in the cot (we still have it set up because that's where he was sleeping before we went on our holiday but he hasn't been wanting to sleep there since we got back). So he's now in the cot and is occassionally calling to me. I'm just ignoring him for now but am sure it will escalate.

I think he ends up being OT by the time he falls asleep around 9.30pm or sometimes 10pm. But i'm not sure what to try tweaking in my routine. Should I try waking him up earlier so that he has a more equal 6h A before and after nap? Rather than a 5h A before and 6.5h A after? I had already pushed him BT from 8pm to 8.30pm in the hopes that this will help but it really hasn't. Am at a loss.. And i'm sure the BT antics causes the OT when he finally sleeps which then also causes the NW!! So I really need to nip this in the butt.. I just don't know what to try at the moment..

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Re: BT drama and NW with 26 month old after a month long holiday
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 11:27:54 am »
It could be that you are at the start of the long road of nap dropping, and maybe reducing the nap a little will help - he's UT at bedtime, but OT by the time he finally falls asleep.

I am wondering, though, if he's actually OT at BT to begin with, and that's what all the antics are about - he can't settle. If you tried moving BT later and that didn't help I'm wondering if an earlier BT will help?

What are your thoughts?
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Re: BT drama and NW with 26 month old after a month long holiday
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 21:18:04 pm »
Hi Catherine, it could be that he is OT, just because of all the late night he's been having. And havng only 10.5 or 11 hour sleep and then a 1 hour nap could be causing him to gradually get OT. I did try an earlier BT a couple of days ago of 8pm but he still only fell asleep at 9.30pm. I might try 7.30pm today and see if that helps a bit with the antics.

What are your thoughts on the routine though? Do you think that the A time before the nap is too short? I planned on waking him up at 7.45am this morning but we had a bad night last night with a few NWs and I ended up waking up late myself, so we were both up for the day at about 8.30am. Will try earlier BT today and then an earlier day tomorrow as well and see if that helps with both the antics and NW..

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Re: BT drama and NW with 26 month old after a month long holiday
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 11:07:49 am »
I did try an earlier BT a couple of days ago of 8pm but he still only fell asleep at 9.30pm. I might try 7.30pm today and see if that helps a bit with the antics.
Yes. I think 8pm wasn't early enough to know if it will help. Try the earlier BT for a few days and see if it has any effect.

Do you think that the A time before the nap is too short?
I'm not sure tbh. It may be, and if you had a longer A time you may get a longer nap - but whether or not that would help with the BT antics I don't know. But, it may help with the OT, if that is the main issue.

I think I'd probably try the early BT for a few days first and see what happens with that. Then go from there.
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Re: BT drama and NW with 26 month old after a month long holiday
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 00:16:55 am »
Well we tried a 7.45pm BT, had dinner at MIL's and was home slightly later than planned. He still took about 30 minutes to fall asleep but it was without me in the room so that's a major improvement! It hasn't stopped his NW though so might just keep trying an earlier BT for a few more days to see if it helps sort out the NW. So the earlier BT this morning led to an earlier WU this morning as well of about 7.30pm which is great. I'm hoping this will even out the A times a bit more before and after nap and hopefully lead to a more tired more at 7.45pm tonight.