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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 08:17:02 am »
I'm going to rock the boat a little here and say personally 45 mins would be UT as were 1.15 naps.

That said, our A times dropped back down once z was through the 2-1 around 12-13 months and he was back to 4.5hr As and is now back to to 5 where during it he could go up to 5.5 ::)

There is a big developmental leap at this age.
http://www.thewonderweeks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=160 this could dertainly be contributing to his sleep issues Hun :-*

On for example a 5 hr A if he wakes at 1 hr 15 do you try to get him back to sleep?
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 13:13:29 pm »
Sara - no probs eh they are all different!  The only thing is here, Alon was doing short 1h 15 naps with 6.5-7hrs A, was waking crying a lot & he's only been on 1 nap for a month.  We've suggested shortening b/c for a just turned 1YO 7hrs A before nap is pretty huge - compare this to Z with his 4.5hrs IYSWIM? 

Ima, I personally found that within a week or 2 of switching to 1 nap we also got very short naps of 40-45 mins & for us this was plain old OT, & within a few weeks, his naps consistently lengthened to 2hrs+.  All I am wondering is if you had given it a bit more time with a say 5-5.5h shorter A & done some earlier BT's whether that nap may have actually lengthened all by itself IYSWIM?

Reading what's happened over the last month & noting that you did get a few days of great naps with the 5h 20 A, I would probably shoot for 5.5hrs.  I actually think the key to your issues might be that A time to BT though hun.  I know on 2 naps a lot of people keep the first & second A times exactly the same, but this won't necessarily work on 1 nap.  If Alon is doing an A time before his nap of 5.5hrs, its unlikely he will also handle another 5.5hrs A to BT (especially so if the nap is short).  Of course if he does a monster nap of 2.5hrs+ it may be a different story!  I have found with my LO that if he does a 5.5hr A in the morning & a 2hr nap he needs no more than 5hrs A to BT.  He's 18 months so you might find Alon needs less (of course they are all different ;)).  I just wonder if you are able to keep ontop of any OT that way, whether the nap might extend once he's that bit better rested. 

And if this doesn't help, but he starts waking happy again (rather than crying like at the start of this thread) then I will eat my words & say 'ok go for it - this boy needs more A'  :o  But as I said before, once you go upwards of 6hrs you really are heading into nap capping territory & IMHO he is a little young for that having only just transitioned to 1 nap.

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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 18:46:14 pm »
Yes Claire I did miss the 6-7 hr A time thanks hun..I have to admit I only skimmed some of the posts

But as I said before, once you go upwards of 6hrs you really are heading into nap capping territory & IMHO he is a little young for that having only just transitioned to 1 nap.
this is very true! I was close to capping Zs nap to 1.5hrs and am so glad I didnt, turns out he just needed some tweaking of when his nap was and an earlier BT to get back on track. this seemed counterproductive as he was older and I was 'giving less A' but I think sometimes they cope well for a while, then suddenly dont. Or you miss something small like with us it was a first A increase and then get into a loop.

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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 19:42:40 pm »
Yes, it all makes sense, I have some work to do now.
In the last two days I reduced to 5.15 A time and he slept 1.5h. Yay! I am thinking that I could even go down with it more but I will wait a few days to see what happens.
I do keep EBT on days that the nap was short, there are days that he is in bed by 18:30, but since I read your previous posts I am also willing to put him earlier than that if needed. I think you are right Claire, he can't manage the same A time in the AM and PM, he needs it shorter, sometimes it seems like after 4.5h he is ready for his night. I stretched him till now to 18:30, but I won't anymore.
I am just going to keep on tweaking till I got the right A (and not fear short A at the same time, LOL).
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 20:46:47 pm »
Yay!  Great news he took a longer nap!!!!  I think I'd stay with the 5h 15 for a week or so & see what happens.  As he gets caught up on his OT you might find he can manage a wee bit longer A to BT again, but I certainly wouldn't stretch it too much past 5h, especially if he's doing over 5hrs in the morning.

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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2012, 10:05:59 am »
YaY on the increased nap! :)

I am just now starting to see that DS's A to bed can increase a bit, moving away from those very very EBTs (although I am still doing early BT).  I have so little experience with this but the things Claire is saying are what's happened here.  After a couple of months on one nap I still don't totally know his best A times but I do think there is quite a long settling in period with this routine change.


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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 10:02:36 am »
Ok, so a quick question. Would a 35min nap still be an OT? Basically every short nap is an OT?

That's what I am getting after 5:15h A time...
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 11:43:33 am »
The girls have already given great advice but I just wanted to second a couple of things -

OT/UT

My best indicator for this is only LO's mood after waking.  Generally a nap shorter than 1.5hours for us means OT.  Quite often my LO will wake around 1.25 - 1.5hours into a nap if she is OT but if left will settle back to sleep for another hour or so.  if I get her up at this first waking she will generally still be rubbing her eyes, grumpy, not keen on eating etc. and I know she's OT.  If I put her down too early and she's UT she usually wake at the 45min - 1hour mark happy as larry, giggling and shouting in her cot and in a good mood.  But the trouble with UT is that the nap is early and short so she then struggles to last until bedtime!

Both OT and UT cause EW for us as my LO is very prone to EWs!  It's hard to tell the difference but mainly I just go by her temperament and behaviour during the day.  If she seems happy and well rested and settles for naps well I presume she's a bit UT and delay bedtime by 15-30mins which really has made a difference.  If she's OT she's usually in a pretty rubbish mood - she won't eat as she spends mealtimes whinging and rubbing her eyes, throwing stuff in a rage, gets upset at strangers etc.  When she's like this I usually do a couple of days of earlier bedtime or earlier nap - depending on which I think will be a bit more successful!
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 11:47:11 am »
Also - my LO is 15months not 10 as in my signature!

And her perfect day is generally -

6.30 WU
12-2.30 Nap
7.00 Bed

My Mum has her while I work 2/3days a week and generally doesn't get LO down until 1pm ish.  She hasn't had a nap longer than 1.5hours in weeks and LO is in a horrendously tired mood by 5pm when I pick her up and often needs good monster naps and early bedtimes to catch her up on my days off.
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 06:53:18 am »
Thanks Stardust.
Alon always woke up crying from his naps, even when he had really long ones. I think he just doesn't like waking up to the darkness and loud white noise and realizing he is all alone. So that's not an indicator for me. The other problem I have is that he copes with OT pretty well. He seems tired but doesn't have meltdowns like he used to have.
What do you think about a 35min nap? Would that be OT?
I start to think that 5:15h A time is too long for him...
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Re: I have a new toddler :) and we are having problems
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 07:32:22 am »
Hun I would try 5 hrs. What happens a 35 mins, does he resettle or not? Can you AP back to sleep?
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 07:41:09 am »
No, no settling whatsoever, no AP possible :P
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 18:23:21 pm »
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