Anyone sleep trained 2 at the same time in a shared bedroom?

[essexlemon]

Thanks Shiv.

With DS1, he was sleeping well around half the time, and when he wasn't it would usually last about a week or so with me doing WIWO.  I put it down to teething but it turns out there was probably other stuff going on as well.  Regardless of all that - DH caves in and gives him milk.  Anything to get back to bed.  So now he has gone from the odd bottle ITMOTN to at least two bottles every single night and often considerably more (our record was seven 7oz bottles - you can imagine what shape the sheets and his jammies were in in the morning!)  The trouble has been up to now that the second I am out of the room DS2 wakes and screams and won't be calmed by Daddy so he has been seeing to DS1 while I do DS2.  TBH I wasn't overly concerned about continuine to co-sleep, although it wouldn't be my choice, but I really need DS2 to sleep so I can regain control of what's happening with his brother kwim.  I've ended up watering the milk down massively (very gradually to avoid him noticing) just so that he would still eat in the daytime as he was filling up on milk at night.

With DS2 - I dunno.  The first night I hadn't thought about feedings (dumb I know) so opted to give him a brief 'snack' and then put him back to bed.  He was awake when I laid him back down and protested for about five minutes before he went out sparko.  Last night he ended up taking a really long feed.  I think he was probably just thirsty with the heat but isn't used to taking a bottle in the night so went balistic when I offered one.  He did keep going off to sleep but then shunting around.  Every time I tried to sit down next to the cot he went balistic and if I tried sitting after he dropped off he woke up and screamed.  He was just very, very unsettled in a way that he wasn't at BT, if that makes sense.

I'll probably live to regret it but I think I will feed him tonight, provided it is after midnight.  I'll start trying to get a bit of a stock of EBM and offer it in a bottle and gradually water it down over time.  That's the plan anyway.  No worried about him eating during the day.  The boy doesn't stop!

[essexlemon]

Living to regret it!  I think feeding him the night before last may only have helped because he was exhausted by the time I backed down.

Last night I fed him and he was still extremely unsettled once he got off to sleep.  I had to stand like a statue at the side of the cot once he was off because the slightest move and he was awake and screaming again - I didn't even have to head for the door, just sitting on the floor next to the cot made him mad.

He did have a later nap than usual yesterday but he is already cutting the second nap (even with APOPing he was sleeping better on days when he missed the second nap and getting resistant to sleeping in the car on afternoons out) so a later morning nap would usually be a good thing as it's not as big a stretch to BT.

I think it was wind as I had to resort to rubbing his back.  I think we have some intolerance issues going on but neither of us ate anything different to the usual *probably* safe stuff.

Is day three too early for it to be regression?  With DS1 he started sleeping through the same night I started PU/PD (he couldn't stand in the cot at 13 months so did it as for a younger baby) and then had a night or two of hellish PU/PD before going back to sleeping if I stood by the cot and ultimately WIWO to get me out of the room but I remembered it being about a week into training.

It just seems strange that day 1 was fantastic, day 2 was not as good but better than before we started, day 3 sucked like crazy.  We're going in the wrong direction.  He did have cranial osteopathy the day before we started which seemed to settle him right down and I'm wondering if the benefits of that could be wearing off.

I know you are right that getting rid of that feed now is better in the long run but I don't know if I have the strength to do it.  Once I'm done here I have to start on DS1.  Oh, God, my life is one long run of sleep training - DH is pointless at it - he's the whole reason we stopped with the WIWO with DS1 (he was fine with it when it was just me doing it but once I showed him how to do it and he had to actually start doing it himself he decided it seemed cruel, not to mention the fact that laying in bed with him watching Peppa Pig on your phone is much quicker  - of course I enjoy being cruel to the kids, obviously  No wonder DS is so anti-Mummy-pro-Daddy)  Sorry.  Didn't mean to rant.

[Shiv52]

Oh, God, my life is one long run of sleep training - DH is pointless at it - he's the whole reason we stopped with the WIWO with DS1 (he was fine with it when it was just me doing it but once I showed him how to do it and he had to actually start doing it himself he decided it seemed cruel, not to mention the fact that laying in bed with him watching Peppa Pig on your phone is much quicker   - of course I enjoy being cruel to the kids, obviously   No wonder DS is so anti-Mummy-pro-Daddy)  Sorry.  Didn't mean to rant.

GRRRRR!!!!!  Does your DH know mine?!  When i first had DD2 he became in charge of DD1's bedtime and totally wrecked everything by just lying with her and going to sleep.  So then we swapped so i could sort it...fun times,  In the meantime he started rocking DD2 to sleep which he still does to this day and i have told him he needs to be the one to sleep train.  But i know it is going to be me.

It wouldn't be usual for things to get worse for a few days while he realises you mean business.  A few more days of consistency and he should get with the programme!

[essexlemon]

Thanks Shiv. They sound like peas in a pod.

Good to know that the first days can go a bit backwards.

I'll hang in there.

[essexlemon]

Sorry to ask so many questions.

Last night we had a struggle at BT and two wake ups.

We won't seem to be improving at all. He was reflux but seemed to have improved (at its height he wouldn't sleep even right next to me) but it was silent so its hard to be sure.

If he isn't settling well for naps or BT by now but is sleeping well once off at naptime and just having a couple of long wake ups would that point to OT rather than reflux? It is a very long A time for him in the afternoon but he has been nap refusing in the pm for a long time (even in the car) and on the occasions I have got a nap out of him he's slept worse that night so I've just stuck with a long morning nap.

Could OT cause unsettledbess once he is actually off to sleep?