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Napping baby AND having a social life in the daytime
« on: September 02, 2013, 12:37:53 pm »
Hello,

Our baby is currently 8 weeks old and generally sleeps very well at night (around 8pm-6am possibly stirring a couple of times for a quick pat/shuss), but he is very, very difficult to get to nap in the daytime. I think the main issue is that we are generally doing things in the daytime which means we cannot establish any kind of rigorous routine. For example, on most days he will wake for a feed at about 6am and then go back to sleep for 1-2 hours in his bed (crib in our bedroom), but then my wife has things on most mornings and needs to go out (almost all mother and baby things seem to be in the morning), so she will feed him again (as per EASY) and then he ends up sleeping in the pram or the car seat when she goes out, for however long it takes to get there. She may then need to be out somewhere again in the afternoon which means a similar thing might happen.

The problem is that he is obviously getting very used to sleeping in a sling, moving pram or car seat, so that if we are at home it is impossible to get him to nap in his Moses basket, plus he never naps for more than 45 mins, either because he wakes up or because of the things that are happening. I know what we need to do is spend some time being patient teaching him to sleep in the basket, but how are we supposed to do this when we have no choice but to take him out in a carrier etc? Nothing I have read ever seems to mention this. If my wife had to stay at home all day just to fit around his naps she would probably have a break down.

So in general I am wondering how we can get him to sleep in his basket in amongst the other stuff we are doing, but I also have some other specific questions relating to this:

1 - At night he sleeps in a crib in our room with blackout blinds. I have been working to the assumption that we should keep this reserved for night time sleeping, but I often wonder if he would sleep better in there for his daytime naps with the same environment recreated, BUT would this confuse him and ruin his excellent night time sleeping habits?
2 - How bad is it for him to sleep not so well in the day? He can seem a bit tired and grumpy towards the end of the day but we are by no means dealing with uncontrollable screaming, plus he seems to go to sleep OK at night? Is it actually bad for him to miss these big day sleeps (i.e. bad for his brain development)? Or am I worrying too much?
3 - The only way we have found so far to get him to sleep for e.g. 2 hours in the day is in a sling. At 8 weeks is this really so bad? Are we establishing bad habits for the future and are we risking ruining his night time sleep, or is it something that we can rectify later? He seems very needy in the day and needs to be close to us, so on one level it feels like the right thing to do??

Any help much appreciated

Jonny


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Re: Napping baby AND having a social life in the daytime
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2013, 15:30:58 pm »
Hi Jonny welcome to BW :)

It sounds to me like you and your wife have started out great :)
Yes your baby is young and does want and need to be close to you, totally normal and the time you spend with him will build a fantastic bond so I wouldn't worry about that at all.  For babies to learn to sleep independently they must first learn they can totally trust in their parents to respond to their needs, responding to your baby's needs actually makes them less needy, rather than more.  Yes it's true that you will want baby to sleep independently and it is a joy to see them go to sleep with a smile, happy and confident, knowing that you are not abandoning them but rather giving them space to sleep and rest, however at 8 weeks it is still early days.  Very many parents choose not to sleep train until later. I started quite early with my LO and he slept independently by 8 weeks but it's important to note that I have still been needed very many times over the last 2.5 years.

Baby groups often clash with baby's routine, it's just one of those things.  I agree it is important for your wife to get out and about if this helps her to feel more sane, a happy mummy is far more important than sleeping in a cot at home :)  In time baby's routine will alter, making the groups more easy to fit into the routine, and then alter again making it tricky and so on.  You can decide together which groups and times you feel are needed to get the right balance for your family, weighing up sleep needs with social needs etc.  In my son's first year I kept him home mornings to retain a good morning nap in his cot and went to groups or shopping etc in the afternoon (leaving the house in time for one nap in the car on the way there and laving the place to time CN on the way home), in his second year I switched to morning groups as these fitted around his one nap more suitably.
I would say if you want to establish a 'better' routine for day sleep you should try to keep each day very similar.  Many people choose one nap to take at home in baby's cot to ensure baby can sleep independently at this time and get a good long restorative nap, when baby is older and some of the naps are dropped this one at home in the cot can be the one that it retained to keep LO well rested (this is what I did).  If all naps are going to be out and about then really you need to expect LO to find it tricky to nap at home.  There is nothing actually 'wrong' with this, but know it is likely to happen, you set the habits and LO follows them.  So if almost all naps are in the sling, car, stroller then that's what baby will expect.  You could for instance nap him in the pram at home on days that they don't go out if you find this acceptable.
Mine never had the habit of sleeping in a pram, only in his cot for morning nap and the car for afternoon nap, so it was almost impossible to take him out in the pram and expect him to nap - he just cried because it was not what he expected.

Your questions
1.  The crib in your room sounds ideal. He will not get confused at all if you put him down for naps there - in fact I used to put mine down in a travel cot in the living room until he suddenly refused, all sorts of crying, then I realised he wanted his proper cot where he slept at night, so he napped there from 10 weeks (it may be a similar case with your LO that he wants his night bed).  The SIDs guidance suggests baby should be in the same room as you (for naps and nights) until 6 months, you need to be comfortable with your choices.  I was on edge the first few naps then relaxed and trusted the monitor, I could hear him breathing over it.
2.  Babies really do need their sleep.  But mummy needs to be healthy and not feel totally trapped at home.  So like I said before a balance is needed to attend to everyone’s needs as much as possible with a little compromise on all parts.  As a thought, your wife may choose to attend baby groups and do chores out and about in the mornings but be happy to stay home in the afternoon (maybe nap herself if needed) to create napping habits at home too.  A 45 min sleep is not restorative and is by no means equal to a good long 1.5 - 2hr nap, it can indicate inability to transition from one sleep cycle to the next (ie not yet learned to to this) or can indicate UT (under tired) for that nap. Short naps (even if caused by UT) during the day can lead to OT (over tired) by night time which can disrupt night sleep.
3.  It's not really about if sleeping in a sling is 'bad' (although some slings are not so good for baby's back and development, ditto car seats, swings and other place LOs like to sleep that are not their cot or a lie-flat stroller) it's more about if you and your wife are happy and able to keep this up.  When you get to the point of it not begin ok with you, that's the time to begin sleep training and break this habit.  Remember that babies start to get heavy even in a nicely fitting sling it can start to take an effect on your own posture and back ache sets in.  I'd suggest sleep training before this is the case, starting at a time when you feel you have patience and energy levels needed to put the time in, rather than waiting until you feel 'desperate' and crippled with back ache because through sleep training you will still need to lift and hold your baby, bend over the cot etc so I wouldn't suggest waiting until you are at the end of your tether, you know?  Everything can be changed later, there isn't a deadline, there will always be support on the boards whether you sleep train now or in 3 months, 12 months whenever, so really it is your choice.

I hope this helps with your questions.  Do feel welcome to ask more.


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Re: Napping baby AND having a social life in the daytime
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 20:45:14 pm »
My older DS was one of those babies who only napped out and about - I could never get him to nap in his crib at home, unless he was very sick.  It didn't affect his night time sleep one bit - in fact, he sttn (11+ hours) at 5 months old.  First 2-3 months, he didn't nap well anywhere except in a moving swing (turns out he had bad reflux).  Once we figured out his medical issues and medicated him, he continued to need motion to nap unfortunately.  At the same time I was still suffering from postpartum depression and quickly joined a mother's group that had activities planned continuously.  So my baby was constantly on the go and napping out and about for all naps, until he outgrew his naps at age 3.  I was happier and slowly recovered from postpartum depression.

My point is, I think it is ok for baby to be napping out and about.  But just be prepared if your baby ends up not napping at home, because that's what he/she is not used to.  Creations's suggestion of picking a certain time to go out is great, especially if you want to establish a routine.  This way, you get the best of both worlds - baby has a chance to settle/ nap comfortably at home and you get to go out :).