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Struggling to work out sleep needs
« on: October 07, 2014, 08:21:40 am »
My DD is just 6 mo and her sleep patterns/routine keep changing to the point where I don't know what to do with her. Naps have always been a problem (45 mins consistently) so I've been gradually pushing her A time to see if it helps and eliminate the catnap. That isn't always possible on days when she gets up at 5.30/6 instead of 7am. She is rolling both ways and sleeping more on her tummy. She just got her first tooth a couple of days ago.

Yesterday she was awake from 5.30am but dozed in the car on the nursery run with DS so wouldn't go for a nap until 9.00. She cried for 20 mins then slept for 2 hours when I woke her at 11.30am for a milk feed, but think she would have kept sleeping. She had another nap at 2pm for 1.5 hrs. She was awake until BT at 7pm.

For the past week or so she keeps waking at 12.30 and 2.30am. She is playing for a while then crying until I finally feed her 4oz milk to get her back to sleep. Sometimes she will go back to sleep after a few mins on her own. She has slept through 12 hours a handful of times but was sleeping at a least 9 hrs straight most of the time until recently. I have been introducing solids and have only ever needed to give her one night feed.

I always put her down awake for naps/BT so she gets off to sleep on her own, so she should be able to self settle if she wakes in the night, surely?

Is 12 hours night sleep and 3-3.5 hrs day sleep classed as LSN or HSN? She is certainly in a better mood after a longer nap but I don't know if I should be capping naps to get a better night. To be honest, it doesn't seem to make a difference lately.

Sorry for the ramble, it's hard to put into words when everything keeps changing!

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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 08:37:46 am »
Hi there!

So is the only problem is with the NW? Did I get it right? And that she wakes up early in the morning?
You said first that she was always napping for 45min but then you write that she is napping 3-3.5h a day... A 11-12h night + 3h day sleep at this age is pretty normal, I wouldn't say it's high or low SN, just pretty normal.
When did she start solids? If recently then this can also be a cause for sleep issues, it's a bit step for their little tummy.

What is the A time that you are aiming for at the moment? Because sometimes just tweaking the A times a bit can get you better naps and a better night out of her.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 09:20:01 am »
Sorry! Bit confusing on reflection. For the most part her naps have been 45 mins but yesterday I got two long naps. Don't know why, but she was awake longer than usual as I've been pushing her towards 2.5 to 3 hr awake times. And a few days she has been doing one longer nap at least. I would really like her to nap at similar times each day, but we have to get up earlier 3 days during the week so it messes the 7-7 day I'd like for her.

NWs are what I really want to fix. It is hard to see a pattern in terms of wake times and sleep. Plus, having to feed her back to sleep for one of the night wakings means she doesn't take much for the first morning feed of the day.

I did wonder whether the solids were an issue for her. She had reflux, which has really improved over the past month and with solids, so been doing it gradually for the past 3 weeks. She was interested last week but not at all this week.

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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2014, 18:56:24 pm »
I would keep with the solids, but perhaps don't introduce too many things quickly. From what you are writing I don't think that the solids are the issues (although i can never be 100% sure) and I do think that her A times are too short.
45min naps would be for the majority of babies an UT nap and if she is doing like 2.5h A time that's probably too short for her age. The NW can well may be connected to her not having enough A time.
IIWY I would focus now on increasing A times. You can do that gradually so she doesn't get OT and has enough time to get used to her new A time by increasing 10min every 4 days. If she is doing now 2.5h then you'd increase it to 2:40h for 4 days and so on. You can stop when she is doing 3h or a bit more than that and is giving you better naps. Hopefully by then the NW are sorted as well and if not then we can look at her routine again.
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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2014, 19:30:36 pm »
Thank you so much for the advice. I am inclined to agree with you. She is teething quite badly and has been off her milk all day today so I didn't give any solids until late this afternoon. Just plain baby rice and she ate it well, then took milk before bed. She's had medicine before bed to help with the teething pain too. Went off to sleep fine after a whinge for a minute or two.

This morning she did 3 hours awake time and I had to wake her after 1.5 hour nap as we were going out. She was rubbing her eyes after the baby class having been up only 2.10 mins so I put her down and she only did a 40 min catnap until 3.30pm. Bed at 6.30pm so we'll see how she does tonight.

I find it hard to read her sleep cues as she does a lot of eye rubbing after only 2hr awake sometimes. She is very spirited so gets quite hyper if awake too long and takes a long time to calm down if she is OT and crying. Not even sh pat will calm her, and I daren't even try PU/PD!

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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2014, 20:02:24 pm »
Sleepy cues were unreliable for us at this age. DS would wake up from a good nap and would start yawning :P. I became more of a clock watcher than following sleepy cues. If I would go with when I thought he was ready for a nap I would always get an Ut nap, but when I went with an age appropriate A time then I got a good restorative nap (which would be 1.5-2h).
It sounds like you are already on the right track, just keep on doing what you are doing :).
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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2014, 06:16:55 am »
Thank you for your help. We had a good night as I didn't have to get out to her. Heard her stir at 1am and let out a cry or two, then again at 4.30am but went back to bed both times, then up for the day at just before 6.30am. And she's taken her milk better this morning because she hasn't had that night feed.

Will stick to these longer A times and see how we go today. Naps were total 3 hours yesterday and she wasn't OT at bed time so I've probably been putting her down too soon. Sometimes I think she yawns if she's just bored!

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Re: Struggling to work out sleep needs
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2014, 11:09:19 am »
Sometimes I think she yawns if she's just bored!
For sure, yes!

Glad to hear you had a good night, hope you got some sleep yourself :). Let me know how it's going.
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