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why does he wake up half hour every time?
« on: March 15, 2015, 16:54:55 pm »
my boy is 5-month-old, this is his 6th month. we are on EASY for couple months, it was pretty good until I changed his A time from 1h45min to 2.5hs.

at the beginning of this month, he was still on 1h45mins A time with 4 naps/day, then I noticed that he doesn't sleep after 1h50mins A, and for the 3rd and 4th naps, he needs more than 2hs A, I think maybe I should extend it to 2hs which I did, 1st day, it was fine,no 0.5hs wakes up, and it also reduces his nap from 4 to 3.but started 2nd day which is March 7th, he wakes up after 0.5hs, every time I was able to put him back to sleep, but it's quite annoying, I had to look at the clock and walk into the room to help him extend his nap. since he doesn't cry after wake up, I thought it's UT, so I extended his A time 2 times, from 2hs --> 2h15mins -->2.5hs, still the same thing, wakes up after 0.5hs (quiet and happy, no cry at all, if I don't look at the clock, I even didn't notice he was awake), back to nap with help. oh, yes, one more thing, before every nap time, he was happy too (with 2.5hs A), it has been 9 days, until yesterday March 14th, he cried hard before nap both in the morning and afternoon, then I realized why he cried -  he is tried, he wants nap. today, I put him to bed with 2hs A , but still, wakes up after 0.5h(quiet & happy), what's wrong with my strategy? I am lost here, can anyone please tell me how long his A time  should be for his age based on above info? I really enjoy those days with correct A time, just wait until the time and put him to the bed, he will cry to notice me when he is up, that's way more easier.

put one day's EASY here (2.5hs A):

7:30 ~ 10:00                wake up, eat, and A time, total are 2.5hs
10:00 ~ 11:25             1st nap for 1.5hs, but wakes up after 0.5hs, hold for 10mins then back to sleep
11:25 ~ 2:00               eat and play for 2.5hs
2:00 ~ 3:25                 2nd nap for 1h25mins, wakes up after 0.5hs, shh/pat back to sleep
3:25 ~ 5:58                 eat and play for 2hs 38mins
5:58 ~ 6:35                 3rd nap for 37mins
9:00                             bed time, but cries after 0.5hs, hold/pat back to sleep

thanks.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2015, 15:34:48 pm by duoduo »

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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 04:14:08 am »
The A times look very appropriate for his age and it sounds like you adjusted them accordingly when he wasn't going down as easily at 2hr A. It honestly might be just a case of him getting used to the new A time... because you pushed him a full 30min, it may just take a little longer. Does he go to sleep independently? Is he working on new developmental skills, such as rolling, etc?

I do think his bedtime is a bit too late and maybe he has some accumulated OT because of that. I don't know if it changed at all when you dropped the 4th nap, but I'd try bringing it back to 8/8:30pm at the latest and see if that helps.



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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2015, 21:36:47 pm »
Thank u for reply, I roll his A time back to 2hs the day he cried hard, for now, it has been 3 days, his naps becomes 4 again, the 3rd & 4th are only 0.5h (even pat can’t extend it), for the 1st & 2nd, times are vary, and looks like his naps getting better, he was able to sleep more than 1.5hs for some naps, so I think 2h A time is suitable for him now, but my questions is:  when should I extend his A time from 2h to 2h15 or 2.5h again? Is there any sign I can pay attention to? Thanks.

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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 15:18:28 pm »
Hi there. Katie won't be on for a few days, so maybe I could help. As she said, the A times that you were going for were fine for his age. 2 hours is definitely too less. I found that A times increased VERY quickly between months 5 & 6. With my DD we went from 2 hours to 3.20 by 6 months! I think you should go back to 2.5 and hold there for a few days. If you don't see a change, I would push some more, maybe even to 2.45. But make sure to stretch the times gradually. Pushing too much too quickly can lead to OT, which won't help matters at all. You might very rapidly be moving towards the 3-2 transition, which happens at 5/6 months, where the CN is dropped and you only have 2 naps of 1.5 to 2 hours.
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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2015, 03:42:40 am »
thank u for reply.

the day before yesterday, I accidently  extended his A time to 2h15, he only slept 25mins, so I think 2h A is the right one for his age. and according to average A time table, babies @ their 6th month which means they are 5-month-old, A time is 2h ~ 2.5hs.

and I do appreciate if someone can tell me when I should extend his A time? what sign(s) I should pay attention to?

thanks.
 

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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2015, 04:15:54 am »
2 hours is fine at 4 months and while many babies can stay at that time for longer, yours does seem to be telling you that an increase is needed. It was around this age when sleep cues started being a bit unreliable and it helped to keep one eye on the clock. Just one more point -- short naps are not always about A times. You have to look at the whole picture. How did he spend his A time? Was he relaxed enough before the nap? Does he sleep independently? Is he going through a wonder week? There are so many things to factor in






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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2015, 00:33:06 am »
^^^ I agree with all Fleur has said.

The signs you previously mentioned, i.e. struggling to settle for naps, not sleeping a full nap, are typically the ones that mean an A increase is in order. You can also look for waking earlier in the morning, as that can be him trying to extend the A himself. I also think the fact that he's only sleeping short naps in the afternoon and you can't extend means he's getting too old for 4 naps. He may be fine with less of an A time first thing, but the others may need extending.



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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2015, 16:51:56 pm »
thank u for both reply, since everyone recomends extending A time, I tried,yesterday is the 1st day with a mess.

7:45                     wakes up, eat, A time for 2h15
9:50~10:30        1st nap for only 40 mins, wakes up without crying, let him be
10:30~12:45       eat, and A time for 2h15
12:45~1:35         2nd nap, wakes up @ 27mins ( no crying either),  hold and rock to extend the nap, wakes up again as soon as I put him down, so 2nd nap actually is only 27 mins
1:35~3:47          eat, and A time for 2h15
3:47~6:12          3rd nap for 2h25mins in total, but for the 1st hour, cries 2 time, which means cries every half hour, goes back to sleep with help
8:35                    bed time
9:05                    cries after 0.5h bed time, and wakes up doesn't want to sleep, looks like he still takes it as 4th nap
10:15                  finally settle down

can anyone pls tell me what's wrong with his EASY? I extend his A from 2h to 2h15, is it appropriate? should it be shorter or longer? maybe yesterday is the 1st, that's why it's so messy?

I know I didn't train him well to sleep independently, but now it's the case, maybe it's too late to train him, I am happy as long as I can find the proper EASY for him.

thx.



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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2015, 17:03:05 pm »
I wrote above info during his 1st nap, and when I am done, he wakes up again! it's only 27mins. happy, no crying, what's going on here? I even didn't get chance to do shh/pat.
 :-[ ??? :( :-\
should I go ahead extend his A to 2.5h?
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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 05:14:09 am »
Honey, it takes a few days of holding at one time till their bodies adjust to it. You should hold at one point for a few days, then if you are still getting resistance and short naps, push some more and hold at that point once more. You can expect OT naps to begin with. I also suggest that you keep A times super low key as you are extending times, especially the last half hour before the nap.

Oh and if he woke happy, he is either super OT or needs a longer A time: p






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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 01:47:58 am »
The first A time was only 2h5min, though (from 7:45-9:50). :-\ And then he did a 40min nap and woke without crying... my guess is that is UT. Then, he stayed up a full 2h15 and did the short, likely OT nap. Then, he crashed for the last nap and was tired enough to go back with help. It really does sound like he's in need of the higher A times, although I agree with Fluer... I'd hold at 2h15min for a good 3-5 days before reassessing and pushing more.



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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2015, 04:00:46 am »
you guys are experts! today is getting way better, 1st 2 naps are 1.5h with 2h15mins A time, 3rd nap 40mins, although he still wakes up and cries half hours after we put him down for the night, I am happy for such improvement already.

I will keep his A time for 2h15 for a while, here comes the questions:
1. when should I extend it to 2.5h? his birthday is 30th, so basically his age matches with calendar, which means in 7 days he will be 6-month-old, should I increase his A Time base on the calendar or I should look for the signs?

2. for 3 naps, I learned that last one is always cat nap which is only 30mins, what about the other 2? he only sleeps for 1.5hs, is that enough? if not, what can I do to help him have longer nap? compares with before, his total naps/day is 3.5hs now, shorter than before when he had 4 naps, does it matter?

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Re: why does he wake up half hour every time?
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 05:48:18 am »
When extending A times, go by your baby's cues.

Regarding your second question, on a 3 nap routine, Tracy says to aim for 2 naps of 1.5-2 hours+ 30/45 minute CN. He would still need around 3-3.5 hours of sleep. I must tell you though, this never worked out for me. We eventually gave up on trying to extend pm nap and settled for am nap of 1.5-2 he's, pm of 40 minutes and CN of 30-45 minutes with set WU and BT of 7