thanks for your suggestions, I'll give them a go. think i'm trying to take on too much information, instead of just concentrating on Ruby. Still, she seems okay, I fed her at 8.30pm and tried to give her a dream feed at 10.30, i'm breastfeeding and found it quite difficult!! Anyway I gave up and put her back down and she slept through till 4am went back down at 5.30 and didn't wake up until 08.45am!!