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11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« on: November 09, 2006, 15:18:17 pm »
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My 11 month old daughter has suddenly started refusing one of her daily naps, sometimes the morning, sometimes the afternoon, sometimes both! The nap she does take, if she takes one, lasts for an hour and a half at most. In addition, she's started to wake once during the night and stands in her crib and screams until my husband or I come and get her. Then she has to be rocked back to sleep for up to 2 hours (we also rock her to sleep at bedtime which only takes ~10 minutes). She's also started waking up for the day at 5 am rather than her usual 6:30 am. Total sleep, night + naps, is only about 10 hours. Of course she's getting three new teeth, just starting to cruise around the coffee table and climb stairs like a pro. My hunch, however, is that she's trying to go from 2 naps to 1 and has become sleep deprived in the process leading to the night wakings and the early morning rising. It seems early for only 1 nap - has anyone else's baby transitioned so early? Did you have problems with night wakings/early morning rising in the process? Should I try to move her to one nap in the middle of the day or stick to an am & pm and hope this is a phase? Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
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Caitlin

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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2006, 20:06:46 pm »
Hello Caitlin,

I agree with you that she seems a little young for transitioning to 1 nap just yet.

Could you please post her routine for us to have a look at? That way, we can see if we can spot anything that needs 'tweaking' to help her.

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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2006, 20:27:05 pm »
Thank you so much for your reply!

Hadley's routine:

5:30 - 6:30 am wake & BF
7:45 am - breakfast
9:00 am - nap lasting anywhere from 30 min - 2 hrs, typically 1.25 hrs
BF when up from nap
11:00 - small snack
1:00 - lunch
2:30 - nap (lately she refuses this one or wakes as soon as I put her down - we still rock to sleep!!!), sometimes sleeps 30 minutes at best
3:30 - BF
4:30 - small snack
6:00 - dinner
7:00 - bath
7:30 - BF
7:30/8:00 - reading, rocking and bedtime (it usually takes about 20 minutes of rocking to get her down but can take up to an hour) she seems to have a lot of energy after dinner

*Hadley has been getting up in the middle of the night for the past week after having slept through since 6 months and it usually takes 1.5 hours of rocking to get her back down

Any ideas? I am open to moving to one nap a day if I was sure this wasn't just a phase/teeth/milestone etc. Before this upset she would sleep 1.5 hours in the morning and 1.5 in the afternoon plus 8 - 6 at night. Argh!!!

Thanks again for your help!
Caitlin

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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2006, 20:41:09 pm »
I have a couple of thoughts, firstly are you rocking her completely to sleep in your arms, then setting her down? If so, it's possible that she's falling asleep in a nice warm, comfy set of arms, then waking into light sleep later on and instead of falling back into deeper sleep, her body is noticing that it's a bit colder, and there's no rocking any more, and so waking her up. This may have become a problem now because she's a bit older and more aware of her surroundings. Can you try sssh/pat or pu/pd to help her learn to go to sleep independently? Let us know if you need help with this.

Also, from your routine, I say that 7.30/8pm is much too late for bedtime. I was given the great advice that, whatever happens, you should treat 7pm until 7am as nighttime. This means bathed and winddown completed by 7pm, and into bed. My ds is a lot older than yours, but I know if he's up any later than this, he gets overtired and I can guarantee he'll be up in the night and tired the next day. He also wakes earlier if he's had a late night.

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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2006, 21:11:49 pm »
It's amazing, I had never heard anything about an earlier bedtime until I came to this site! I truly do think that her getting up in the night is a result of being over tired and it would really make sense to put her down earlier. We'll try that tonight and see what happens.
Yes, we're putting her down 100% asleep! I know, I can't believe she's almost 1 and we still rock her. We tried cry-it-out and the Ferber method a few times when she was younger but I just couldn't stand to listen to her scream like that. Now that she's standing up as soon as we put her down awake I'm afraid there's no hope.  I'll have to go to the main site and read about the methods you mentioned - shh/pat and pu/pd. I don't know anything about them yet. Do you think people have success with a 1 year old who has been rocked 100% to sleep her whole life? Yikes. I'm so scared to try it. My husband is the one who puts her to sleep at night and he's getting pretty fed up with spending half his evening in a dark nursery (even though he totally adores her). I also get frustrated wrestling with her for some of her naps. Sometimes she's asleep in my arms in minutes and sometimes it's a big struggle with tears and jerking around.
I think not enough sleep during the day has led to not enough at night and now it's just a vitious circle. We'll try the earlier bedtime tonight and see. Any advice you can give on putting her so sleep awake would be greatly appreciated. Should I post something in a different section of these boards?
Thanks again.
Caitlin

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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 22:27:06 pm »
Hi again,

Good to hear you want to put her down early - just remember that it may take a few days for her to get used to the idea, so keep at it until it works :)

Just to let you know that, as a site, we try to steer people away from the cry-it-out method, mainly because it can be very counter-productive in many ways, not to mention it goes completely against Mummy-instinct, which I thing is the most important thing (and Daddy instinct of course ;)). I think you were right to leave it at that.

If you want to learn more about our methods (well, not ours, they're the methods of Tracy Hogg, the Babywhisperer), you'll find lots of info on our boards. Have a look at our FAQs section (at the top of the Naps forum). There's lots of great info there, incl Teaching sleep - broken down into ages, and sleep interviews with Tracy, which I strongly urge you to read. There's also answers to frequently asked Nap/Sleep questions. With regards to pu/pd (pick up/put down), there's a whole board dedicated to it - just go back to the main board page, and look under the 'Sleep' section.

I certainly don't think you've left it too late at 1 yr old to teach her to sleep. One thing you have done by treating her the way you have is taught her security, and that there will always be someone there for her when she needs them. This means your sleep training should be easier than, for example, someone who has come here and previously only used cry-it-out. They would also have abandonment and separation anxiety issues to deal with, so take heart that you shouldn't have to deal with that :).

Be aware that Tracy's methods of sleep training are not 'quick fixes' and will not work overnight. Your poor hubby may spend a lot more nights in a darkened nursery (I have spent many hours like that myself), but just keep telling yourselves that you have started down a path now, and, although it's possible it won't be a short one, it is a direct route to where you want to be. Just to inspire you, I spent a few gruelling weeks sleep training my son using Tracy's methods and, despite a few hiccups along the way, I can now do our usual wind-down, kiss him night-night, tell him I love him, pop him in his cot and walk away. He then falls asleep in his own time. This is perfectly possible for you too, you just need to be consistent.

HTH, and keep coming back here and also having a look at the other boards - we're here to help :)
Caroline :)





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Re: 11 mo old suddenly refusing naps and waking in night
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2006, 01:37:40 am »
Thank you so much.
It's so wonderful to have the support. SO many people are shocked that we still cuddle her to sleep every night and suggest that we just put her down, tell her she's a big girl and let her scream until she passes out. I didn't set out to do attachement parenting but I guess that's how I ended up. Our BFing is my favorite time of day. :D
I think we'll see if the earlier bedtimes can help her be less sleep deprived and get back on schedule and then after our upcoming holiday, we'll try the pu/pd. I have some research to do but I already feel better about the fact that either hubby or I will be in there with her while she's trying to sort it out. With CIO (all 2 or 3 attempts we made) I just kept thinking how confused and alone she must feel. :(
Thanks again for not saying I'm a crazy mom for letting it go this late!!
Caitlin