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Sleep cues confusing me
« on: May 13, 2007, 22:24:14 pm »
Hi there.

My lo has always had pretty clear sleep cues.  yawn, slight mantra cry.  Lately there has also been rubbing of eyes.  In the last week or so, I follow her sleep cues, to only be tricked!  I do the routine and put her to nap and then it's like she gets a second wind and prefers to play.  I try to calm her and get her to sleep but after half an hour I get her up again.  I'm pleased she's going longer A time, as this has always been something that I've had to encourage before she takes the leap to more A time herself. But I'm a little confused now as to when to put her down for a nap.  What should I do when she doesn't nap? Should I take her out of the cot or work on her sleeping?  She has always gone down for a nap really easily - is it just getting harder for her and I take this as she's not tired?  She doesn't cry about it, but stil....

Any advice is appreciated as usual!
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 23:19:12 pm »
Hi Aleesa!
I really don't have any advice for you but wanted to let you know you aren't alone! Tanner has been doing that to me for a few weeks now! He's 7 months old today - so he started around the same time as Lilly.

The only difference was that Tanner SCREAMS when I try to put him down  :'(. I used to just get him up and let him play a bit more and then try again later for the nap. Always worked but now I feel like he's learned this and now screams more often b/c he thinks I'll let him play longer, kwim?

This age is certainly a really tricky time for figuring out A-times!
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 01:41:52 am »
It has GOT to be an age thing! Mackenzie does the same thing. Half the time she screams, like Tanner, the rest of the time, she plays and then screams later. I don't get it! I do pu/pd once she starts crying, but if Lilly isn't crying, I'm not sure what you'd do!
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 10:58:08 am »
it's really common at this age for them to rub eyey, yawn etc out of boredom rather than tiredness. A change of scenery is what they need rather than a nap! Looks like they are all extending their A time.
I would start by putting them down 15 mins later than normal for the nap. If you get the same reaction, try 30 mins. Keep your winddown the same as normal, just start it that bit later.
Some lo's need really gradual stretching of A time, but some make sudden leaps of 30 mins or more, sounds like this is the case with you guys and was certainly the case with us! When dd was 10 mo she went from 3.25hrs to 4hrs overnight!
Have they dropped the catnap yet? If not sounds like this is teh time to do it.
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 11:07:32 am »
Some days she catnaps - I find she really melts down otherwise.  2hrs is max last thing at night.  Talking about leaping over night - Saturday she was awake from 7am and didn't sleep until 10.30 - no crying nothing.  We were out and about and not even asleep in the car which she normally does.  Wasn't happy by the end of the day mind you.

Thanks for the advice
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 14:18:57 pm »
We're still suffering through short naps here, Kathryn. Most days it's 3 short naps, unless I can extend one of them. :-\
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 18:06:19 pm »
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We're still suffering through short naps here, Kathryn. Most days it's 3 short naps, unless I can extend one of them
:P I feel your pain! Sophie was the most determined 45min napper until she grew out of it just before 6mo. Fingers crossed that happens soon for you x
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 21:55:04 pm »
Tanner has dropped the catnap - happened about 3 weeks or so ago. He really is doing much better with two naps and the longer A-time - I'm just struggling with how MUCH A-time!  :P

He was at 2 hours a-time in the am - only to scream like crazy when I tried that. So I went to 2.5 hours and then a week later was screaming again so I went to 3 hours. A few days after that he's screaming at the 3 hour mark. Yesterday and today I put him down as soon as I saw that 'glazed over' look in his eyes and he was slowing down at vocalizing too - this was the 2 hour mark and he went down GREAT! GO FIGURE! He's still at 3-3.5 hours in the afternoon.

Aleesa...if you don't mind if I sneak in on your post and ask tylersmommy a question....

tylersmommy - can you explain how you do pu/pd with Mackenzie? When you pick her up - do you cradle her in your arms or put her head on your shoulder? Does she arch her back and fight you and scream louder? Does she cry when you put her down and then stop as soon as you pick her up? How do you know when to stop/walk out? This technique confuses and scares me!   :-\

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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 22:05:16 pm »
Be my guest Jaci - if you want, you could join our Oct birth club.  Great bunch of mum! Quite a few with more than one so a wealth of experience too.
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2007, 22:24:43 pm »
Jaci - I pick her up and cradle her. I've never been able to put her on my shoulder...even as a newborn, she just arched her back and looked around. ::) If she fights me, I count to 5 to see if she'll settle down, and if she doesn't I put her down. She usually keeps right on hollering, so I count again to see if she'll calm herself (yeah right!) and pick her back up. She fights me most of the time so we just keep on doing it until she loses steam. If she stops as soon as I pick her up, I put her right back down.

I know to stop and leave once she's in the crib and not screaming anymore. Sometimes she's still moaning or whining and I'll leave her to it. I've had a hard time leaving the room lately with sep anx, so I usually end up standing in the door where she can see me.

PU/PD can be confusing at this age, and it can really suck. I've only done it maybe 5-10 times with her, and the longest it's lasted is 20 min. It definitely does work, though!
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 03:57:32 am »
Thanks Aleesa for letting me sneak in on your post! Maybe I'll join the conversation in the birth club - Erin M told me about it awhile ago and I checked it out but I was nervous that if I joined...I'd be even MORE addicted to the bw forum!

Melissa - thanks for taking the time to tell me how you do pu/pd. The times I tried with Tanner (like only a couple of pick ups before I gave up) he stops crying when I pick him up and then he realizes I'm not going to leave the room with him and he starts screaming worse! And he arches his back and fights! (he's always been one to arch his back and look around, too!) Maybe I just need to keep at it till it sticks with him. OH..this sleep stuff is SO hard!

Thanks to all of you!!
~Jaci
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Re: Sleep cues confusing me
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 04:01:11 am »
Jaci, well yes there is the addiction thing.....
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