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HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« on: May 23, 2007, 13:08:03 pm »
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OK, I'm back to having trouble with my 30 month old DS.
Basically, he has always had sleeping difficulties. He used to constantly wake though the night until he was about two. Now he sleeps through no problem, but he is kicking up blue murder going to bed. He can't wind down. He never could.
So the story is basically this - he is fiercely resisting going for daytime naps. He is with a childminder Mon to Thurs, and often will only sleep in the car at around 3 for maybe 10 to 20 mins when she goes to collect her son from school. When he is at home, I often take him out in the car (only if I have something to do that requires it though) when I think he might sleep. Otherwise we have an awful row if I put him to bed protesting. He claims he isn't tired but I know he is. I'm not sure what to do. He gets up around the 7 mark and sometimes sleeps at 3-ish, and if he sleeps I put him to bed at 8-8.30. I don't really want to get rid of the nap until the winter sets in as he can play outside in the summer until it's bedtime. But if he is ready to give it up then I'll have to.
I'm just not sure of what to do. He was so tired last night and got so upset (tantrum-like out of control screaming) that I had to go in to him a good few times. But he is an awful divil and the more I go in to him, often the worse things get. He is as cute (meaning cunning!) as the birds and really plays the situation if I go in too much.
What on earth do I do next???!!!!!!

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Re: HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 18:30:37 pm »
At 30 months he culd be ready to drop the nap, but I would try to keep it if you can.  If not then I would say to start wind down around 5.30pm and in bed by 6.30pm.  Is this a reasonable time for you?
I wouldn't advise a nap at 3pm tbh, I thinkit's too late at his age, even just a short nap as it will spoil his bedtime.  If Alex hasn't gone to sleep by 1.30pm then I give up but I do ensure that we have a quiet time with lots of stories.

What is your wind down routine?  How long is it for?

Also, is he in a bed or cot?

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Re: HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 11:42:28 am »
Ideally, yes, I’d like to keep the nap, particularly as it is so bright in the evenings and that seems to be making him less inclined to want to sleep early on in the evening. So I was hoping to keep the nap until the autumn or winter. But he is seriously resisting the nap at the moment. On Monday to Thursday, he is with a childminder who can’t get him to take a nap, and, without world war 3, neither can I. And I can’t begin a wind down at 5.30 as we only get home at 6. He has always played at home after we get in as when he does nap, he has the energy. Now though even if he is completely wrecked in the middle of the day, we go through an awful song and dance to get him to go for a nap. I am just tired of the battle and not happy with him being so upset before sleep times. So I really feel caught between a rock and a hard place!! I am on leave from work for the next 2 weeks though so can put work into it but really don’t know where to start! Last night I put him to bed at 7 as he had a 10 minute nap and was so tired but he messed around for 2 hours before he finally went to sleep.
This is usually what happens – we have the same routine – he does his teeth and goes to the loo (he is toilet trained and has been for about 10 months or so). Then I put him to bed. He says his ‘thank you holy gods’ – thought it might focus his mind and help him to wind down – gets into bed. I get in beside him (alarm bells going off as I write this!) and make up a story with him or me in it, then we have to do ‘rubs’ (face and nose – don’t ask!), one last kiss and one last cuddle, then I say goodnight and leave. Lately, he will then look for more water (cup on shelf by his bed), to go to the loo, last night managed to climb on the windowsill and couldn’t get off, or will look for a different teddy…..the list goes on. And I don’t know what to do! Should I get him the water, bring him to the loo (I tend to do that even though sometimes he is messing) and get the teddy – he gets sooooo upset if I don’t!!!! He is inconsolable! Should I talk to him to tell him I won’t get the teddy or not talk at all?
Ideally, I want to help him to relax, and be content to go to bed. I’m afraid he is getting very negative associations. Last night I decided to revert to staying outside in the hall to bring him back into the room when he came out. I am just lost at the moment.
How can a parent help a child who finds it so hard to wind down??????????
Am I blathering? Did any of this make sense?!!!
Oh yes - he is in a bed - has been for about 6 months.
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Re: HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 17:14:47 pm »
Perhaps 7 is too late as he is so tired anyway.  Next week, when you are off work, try a  6.30pm bedtime and see if it helps.  then perhaps you can work things out from there.  If you are sure that an earlier bedtime will work then maybe you can try to aim for it.

As for the nap, if he is dropping it then I don't know what I can advise.  :-\  Sorry.

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Re: HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2007, 12:37:34 pm »
Thanks for the advice. We have started to drop the daily nap and he now will go to bed at 6.30 or so, go out like a light, and sleep about 13 hours. He still naps some days but I can see it is the beginning of the end!!!
Oh well, my little boy is growing up!!! :D

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Re: HELP!!! Here we go again.........
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2007, 14:22:27 pm »
hi clare, am a little late but wanted to ffer hugs first then HURRAH next! seems like u've sorted it