He finally fell asleep about 8:00. We did WIWO for about an hour, so thats not too bad. And he slept all night, except for about 2 minutes at about 1:00 when he just screamed out, but them put himself back down. I think I figured it out though. MIL and my mom won't just put him down in his crib to sleep. They want to rock him. MIL says its her "special time" with him. It drives me crazy that she doesn't listen to me, but I need her help a lot, so I don't have much leverage with her. She's good for the most part, so I can't complain too bad. But he was just used to being rocked to sleep, and had been spoiled a little. Once he learned last night that he CAN put himself to sleep, he did it. I feel like I've solved the worlds problems. Well, at least mine!!!! Thanks for all your help, I think I'm going to stick with the earlier bedtime too, it gives me a chance to get stuff done around the house and still go to bed at a decent time!